June 11, 2025 • 48 mins
John Pesutto rejects Moira Deeming’s generous offer to save him from bankruptcy, and the double standards on display over the riots in Los Angeles. Plus, have politicians including the PM actually earned their upcoming pay rises?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good evening week for the show. Now forgive me, I've
got a bit of a shocking head cold at the moment,
but there's too much going on. Stay at home in bed.
He's what's coming up to night on Credline. A big
day for politicians and senior public servants. Their pay packets
have all gone off the Remuneration Tribunal signing off on
pay rises, including for the Prime Minister, taking his salary
up to a whopping six hundred and twenty two thousand,
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plus two mansions, a Limahowa housekeeper, a wine cellar, and
on it goes. Day two of the Sydney hate preacher trial,
and this time it was with some haards turned to
take the stand. So was he has outspoken in the
court as he has been in the mosque. Carolyn Marcus
with an update shortly plus the chaos s in Los
Angeles now spreading with protests breaking out in other capital cities.
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Plenty of apologists for the blatant violence we've seen, but
there's always it's wine at rule for the left and
one for everyone else. And in another sign that our
relatelationship with Israel's become openly hostile under labor too. Israeli
government ministers have been sanctioned.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You have ignored the international community and we do not
tolerate it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
If the people leading the discussions trying to get peace
the US are saying this is likely to be unhelpful.
Why has the Australian government done this?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But first, a dramatic revelation late the Salteroern as the
clock ticks down on the looming bankruptcy of former Victorian
Liberal leader John Perzuto. Now, for some time I have
been aware of attempts by more Redeeming to try yet
again to save John Perzuto from himself and spare the
Liberal Party from spending millions and millions of dollars to
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bail him out of a colossal mess of his own making. Now,
for reasons I'm sure you will understand, I've not been
able to publicly discuss any of this because I was
in Deeming's confidence as she gave it all one last
throw of the dice. Take that obligation seriously. But I
am now at a liberty to discuss what I know
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publicly with you. After Deeming's generous offer to John Perzuto
was rejected by him this morning and after she then
wrote to the Liberal Party's powerful administrative committee to update them,
and that letter she wrote has found its way into
the media has now reported on The Australian's website this
afternoon by Damon Johnson. And here is what Deeming magnanimously
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offered the man who defamed her, who bullied her and
expelled her from the Liberal Party route. It's a letter
addressed to the current opposition leader Brad Batton, to John
Perzuto and the Liberal Party's Victorian President, Phil Davis. Dear
mister Batton, mister Persuto, mister Davis reads, she says, I
write to you as a Liberal and I make this
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offer someone who deeply respects the rights of the Liberal
Party members, to a party that is focused on winning
the twenty twenty six state election and securing a better
future for all Victorians. I am dismayed by reports that
the Liberal Party Victorian division is considering an approach from
mister John Perzuto to meet his financial obligations in relation
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to a costs order made against him by the Federal
Court after an earlier judgment that he famed me. I
do not understand, wrote more Redeeming, why mister Perzuto did
not accept my pre trial offer to settle the case
for ninety nine thousand dollars when it was apparent he
had no ability to pay in the event he lost
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the case. It is because of the extraordinary sport that
I have received from rank and file members that I
make this offer with the intention that the funds they
have raised to fight the Labor Party remain solely directed
to that important objective. I also want to respect the donors,
she says, who have supported our cause in their hope
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that good government can once again return to the state
we love. So here is the offer from Redeeming, she wrote.
In order for my willingness not to calling the bankruptcy
notice served on mister Perzuto, the following five demands must
be met in full before the time for the notice
falls due on the twenty seventh of Dute. The first,
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that mister Perzuto pays all available funds he has, and
that's reported in the media to be somewhere around seven
hundred and fifty thousand dollars, That he pay those immediately,
and that the remainder of his debt is deferred for
payment until the thirtieth of March twenty twenty seven to
give him, she says, sufficient time to secure the necessary
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funds and avoid bankruptcy. Number Two, she says that the
Liberal Party, through mister Batton, provide me and my family
an unreserved apology for the way I have been treated,
for the imputations against my good name and reputation, and
reject all the false allegations into famatory slurs directed towards me.
Three that my pre selection is endorsed by a special resolution,
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however described in constitutional terms, so that I enjoy the
right to serve my community without any internal distractions, which
is something denied to me to date. Four That the
Liberal Party appoint an independent person from outside Victoria, such
as a former judge, to conduct a wholesale review into
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existing internal dispute resolution mechanisms with specific recommendations for reform,
and that the Party accept those recommendations to create a
new robust body to deal with cases like this in
the future, so that no other Liberal is forced to
suffer as I have, or to take action in the
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courts to remedy a wrong such as this. And five
that all parties draw a line under the events of
the past two years, and ensure our focus is on
the constituents we serve, the party we love, and the
people of Victoria. So there you have it. Two years
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was willing to give John Perzuto to pay what he
owes her, enabling him to avoid bankruptcy, enabling him to
keep his seat in the Parliament. Of course, that she's
also allowed in that deal to keep hers, that party
members are not forced to spend one dollar bailing out
a bloke with judgment as appalling as his, that she
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gets the simple apology that she surely owed, and that
this never happens to another Liberal again. This offer, wrote
more redeeming, is not up for negotiation, said Deeming. I
have suffered through a grueling two and a half years
where almost every offer I have made to negotiate a
settlement was rejected. This is my final attempt, wrote more redeeming,
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to spare the Liberal Party further harm and to afford
mister Pizzuto and his family the dignity that was denied me,
my husband and my children, while for all of that
magnanimu grace. That offer was rejected, with John Perzuto seeking
an extra twenty four hours to Lodge a counter offer,
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and he did after accepting all of the conditions that
would be met by the party, including deemings, pre selection
and an apology. Perzuto still refused to pay the two
point four million dollars that the federal court has ordered
him to pay. Instead, he offered just half of that,
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a mere one at point two million dollars, so more
a deeming would have to wear a million dollar loss.
Now understandably, his counteroffer was rejected, and with that this morning,
John Perzuto walked away from the negotiating table. Liberals I
have been in contact with this afternoon cannot fathom any
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of this. Even people who once supported him are shaking
their heads. Some have even called him a politic called terrorist.
Now clearly he's now pinning all of his hopes on
the Liberal Party bailing him out with a loan at
a administrative committee meeting that's now been shifted to next Thursday.
I am told John Perzuto wants fifteen plus years to
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pay back this debt, which, to be honest, means he
will never pay it back. Right now, Calls and emails
from party branches across the state of flooding into head
office letters like this one that I have received from
the Soldier's Hill branch of the Liberal Party in Ballarat,
and almost all of them like this letter violently objecting
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to any party funds, either cash in the bank or
money that's been set aside in a trust from the
sale of the old party headquarters, be used to bail
him out. Now where this will end up who knows,
but I will give you credit here a to current
Liberal leader Brad Batten, who I know has personally worked
a day and night to get his predecessor to accept
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this offer, and he has met and spoken with Perzuto
of the past four days multiple times. Unfortunately, John Persuto
is as peak headed as he is reckless. Now all
I can say is that, yet again my Redeeming has
displayed the integrity that is lacking in so many others.
So bankruptcy by the twenty seventh of June and the
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by election watch this space. Come fathom stupidity. I suspect
you can't either. Let's go to camin Out the headline
Sky and his political reporter cam Reddin.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Good Evening Australia has sanctioned two top Israeli ministers for
inciting violence against Palestinians.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Whilst they are not the only members of the Israeli
government whose actions have been problematic, they are certainly the
most extreme.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It is outrageous elected representatives and members of the government
and are subjected this kind of measures.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The measures have been imposed in unison with Britain, Canada,
Norway and New Zealand, but have drawn condemnation from US
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who says they don't advance
efforts for a ceasefire and to end the war.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Australia makes your own decisions based upon the assessments that
we make.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
The coalition says it wants a seat at the government's
productivity roundtable, to be held in August. Three years ago,
former leader Peter Dutton snubbed an invitation to Labour's Jobs
and Skills Summit. At this time it's up to the
government if they invite us, we will attend. Tasmania's government
remains in limbo, awaiting a decision on whether it will
be sent to a snap election. Dean Winter needs to
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come out today and explain to the Tasmanian people why
he blew up the parliament. No matter how much you
love that old sheep dog.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
If he can't round up the sheep anymore, it's time
to get a new one.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Cameron Reddin's go nine years Canberra?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
All right, Jotyman, how to get across some of the
other big stories. National Affairs editor at Daddy Telegraph, James
Morrow Skyny his host here as you know, and seen
your fellow at the Menzies research Senate Nkata Nick just
on the Perzuna Deeming matter. The Australian is reporting from
the Perzuto camp that he describes Deemon's proposal as not
a real deal and question her decision to tie her
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guaranteed preselection to the offer. Now I'm telling you I'm
privy to the offer. It was a real deal. It
was so real that he asked for it to be extended.
He wanted to stay at the table. He just wanted
to pay half the money. What do you make of
as rejection of this today and his plea instead that
the Liberal Party bail him out.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
He's in no position to be bargaining right now, Peter.
I think he should take this deal. It sounds like
a very good way out out of his short term dilemma,
and of course he should pay what the courts said
he should pay in full. That's a court judge. Nobody
should be second guessing the courts. But look, I tell
you what, Peter, I've been talking to a number of
significant Liberals Party donors sorry, in recent days. They are
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fuming already about the way the federal campaign was conducted
and the fact that they saw that their money was wasted.
If they go If the Liberal Party in Victoria goes
ahead and uses money which will of course have come
from donors, they don't have any other source of money.
If they use that money to settle this bill, there
will be a red hot civil war and the Liberal
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Party will be one step closer to not being able
to fund anything, let alone an election campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, I just saw our strap there. It says Moira's
ultimation to John Bozuro. It's not an ultimatum from her.
I mean, she's trying to give the party away out.
She's trying to give him dignity for two years to
pay what he owes. And bo he's an officer of
the court, as a solicitor, that's the legal term. He
knows absolutely he's got a duty to pay what a
court order has said he must pay. So look, I
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find this extraordinary and I am just sad as a Victorian,
Like so many people watching this program tonight, we are
desperate for a change of government. Highest debt in the land,
no way to pay it back, terrible issues with infrastructure,
and I mean, don't get me started on how corrupt.
I'll use that word because that's been the subject of
IBACK rulings in this state. Institutions in this state are
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we need a change of government, and this mob can't
stop squabbling amongst themselves. And I'll leave it there. I
could spend the whole night talking about how bad things
are in this state. Let's go federally. Let's look at
the fact that if you're a politician, you've just got
a healthy pay rise today two point four percent for
every MP, department secretaries, public servants. The Prime Minister, well,
he'll go up to six hundred and twenty two thousand
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dollars and made the point he's got a mansion, limo staff, housekeepers,
a wine cellar offered goes there, sus unless she's not
doing badly either. Four hundred and forty two thousand dollars.
I know the remuneration tribunal is independent Nick. But you know,
woul people at home be saying this is deserved.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, I'll tell you what. I wouldn't take Susan Lee's
job for four hundred thousand. But that's beside the point.
Of course, this is completely out of step with community standards.
These people are doing a performing public service that should
be looked upon like that. I wish there was some way,
Peter for putting some performance bonus in, you know, so
haw having the salary and saying you'll get the rest
of it, you know, if you can pay down the debt,
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or you'll get the rest of it if you can
cut taxes. It would be nice to have a system
like that. But right now, you know, politicians of course,
will just take that. The smart thing to do, I
think for any politician would be to defer thist payment
or put it to charity or something while everybody else
is doing it tough. But of course I don't see
that ever happening on either side of parliament.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Just I love that idea of having a performance bonus.
That would be very very good for the poor old taxpayer.
Let's go to Los Angeles. Of course, we've got the
reaction to the shooting of the Channel nine reporters still
playing out today. This was, of course, with a rubber bullet.
We learned today that diplomats in Washington have now lodged
an official complaint with US officials out. Fair enough, she's
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an Australian citizen. But I can't get over the hypocrisy
for the Prime Minister with these comments at the Press
Club yesterday.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
That footage was horrific. It is not unreasonable to think
that she would not have been targeted with a rubber bullet.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Fair enough, James, as I say, fair enough, but where
were all these federal politicians in Victoria was under siege
and Daniel Andrews putting police on the street and the
police in Victoria using rubber bullets firing at citizens.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Well yeah, I mean it is a bit much here,
isn't it for the Prime Minister to protest like this?
Frankly nobody, Very few people come out of those COVID
protests with clean hands when it comes to this sort
of thing. We had people New South Wales also cheering on,
and there was a liberal government here at that time.
You know the police actions against COVID anti lockdown protesters
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here in New South Wales as well. You know, and
people who watch Outsiders know that we have a tape
of Victorian cops doing all sorts of outrageous things, I
mean really outrageous things to citizens who are protesting or
just simply you know, not wearing their mask in the
right place. And everybody cheered at all and said raw, raw,
how good is this? So yeah, okay, like sure, you
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know it was unpleasant for our reporter friend to cop
a rub bullet in the leg, and you know, if
the cop targeted her deliberately, he should be disciplined. Obviously.
This is not, though PETA an international incident. And again everybody,
as you suggest, really should look at what they were
saying about cops and rubber bullets and protests like three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Let's go if I can nick to the PM's announce
when yes, today that he'll have yet another live around table,
another talk face to come up with an idea because
he hasn't got a plan of his own. It's got
a pretty lukewarm response from business leaders today haven't listened.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
At least the Prime Minister has recognized and the government
have recognized they have to do that.
Speaker 9 (17:12):
That's positive. So we have to recognize as a problem.
Speaker 10 (17:15):
The disappointing thing was we had the union movement come
out last night and basically say, well, there's nothing to
see here.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
We do want to see a longer term, more ambitious agenda,
but I think let's take the first step.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
They're really pushing hard already, Nick on ir And of
course we know if the unions donate to labor election campaigns,
when labours return to government, they expect that donation to
be paid back in kind.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, because I don't think you actually need a round
table to decide why productivity is falling and what we
do to fix it, because these things are simple, right.
You remove regulation so that employers can be more innovative
and more agile. You certainly don't use, you know, locking
in deals with unions because they are inherently unproductive. And
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to be honest, you wouldn't be raising the minimum wage
way above inflation either, because in the end, wages have
to match productivity. If they don't, you get inflation and
you get everything gets out of kilt. You end up
with fewer jobs. So I think we'd like to see
them walk the walk on this. It's all very well
using this magic word productivity. I'm not entirely. Sure the
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Prime Minister actually understands what it means.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
By the way, I think he thinks productivity is getting
on a plane, right, getting on a plane and being
seen to be doing something without any extral outcome, and
of course, well very carefully when he meets as he
hopes to do, not confirmed in the sidelines of the
G seven, when he meets to US President Donald Trump
to see if he can get some outcomes for his productivity. Interestingly,
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there was an interview today Jack Schron he's the president Jurgens,
a US based manufacturing company in the US. He says
that they are on the verge of a quantum leap
in manufacturing. Have a listen.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
It's some of the low cost competitors who've been putting
product in the United States. Now we are proceed competitively
with them because their price has to be picked up
by the terroriffs coming into the United States. As a result,
we've seen an increase in our business both here in
Cleveland and Chicago. Chicago along we've put on over twenty
five new employees.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Now all of us impacted by these tariffs. Sure we're
cranky outside of the United States, but there's an example
of a US based business, James, who's saying that the
tariffs are enabling US as a nation to reindustrialize, that
they're leveling the playing field, it's bringing back jobs in
manufacturing to the US economy. And this was precisely what
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the president was elected to do. As much as we
mightn't like it.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Well, exactly, Peter, and I mean everybody complains about Donald
Trump doing tariffs, deporting illegal aliens and all that sort
of stuff. He went out and said exactly what he
was going to do at rally after rally after rally,
you know, unlike say Anthony Albneasy, who said, oh well,
oh no, we're we're going to have a reforman genda.
Oh no, now we will have a reforman genda. Who knows,
you know, it's all entirely transparent. I think that's why
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the political class hates Donald Trump so much, is that
he is, in fact transparent. He tells you what he's
going to do, and then he goes out and he
tries to do it the best he can in the
face of huge opposition. Now, in reference to the tariffs,
there obviously the whole thing, and Trump has never been
shy about this He has been talking about this issue
for decades. He was talking about this issue in the
eighties and nineties when Japan was the issue, and then
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about China when China was the issue. This is Trump's
belief that America cannot be a superpower if it cannot
make things. He's right. I mean, this is not a
hard thing for people to grasp. And you know, that's
just one anecdotal story you played there, Peter. But I
think we're going to start to see this, you know,
across the economy. And we've already started to see that
most of the doomsaye predictions about inflation and so on
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in the United States, well they simply have had come
to pass.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I got to say, Nick Ktor, it's got echoes in
nineteen seventy five and the dismissal and all the backwards
and forwards going on at Government House with the governor
and the then Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition,
You've got issues. In Tasmania. The premier there, you know,
vote of no confidence in the house goes to the
governor says I want you to spill the parliament and
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take us to an election. Well the governor said no,
I want to think about this, ort to consider all
the options. So he's gone away the States in limbo.
In power terms, he's come out swinging at the opposition.
But I see what the real target here is the AFL.
They are demanding a stadium is built with a roof.
That's where the fights come out over the amount being spent.
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And Rockcliffe, he's the current premier, obviously could get rolled
by his own party. It's a real mess.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean, of course, the difference with the dismissal
is that dismissal was over something fairly more serious than
a football code and establishing a football team in the stadium.
It's incredibly it comes down to this. Look, Peter, I'm
not a constitutional lawyer, but I would have thought this
is pretty straightforward. Can Rockcliffe? Does Rockcliffe command the House
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or not? I mean, is he able to pass legislation
or not? That's a simple test. It's a small parliament.
I've sat in the gallery and watched them play, so
it seems to we have fairly straightforward decision. And if
the Premier comes to the Governor and says he no
longer has the confidence of the House because he's had
a no confidence motion, pretty straightforward decision for the governor,
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I would have thought, but perhaps there's something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, I think you've upset a lot of AFL people
saying it's a trifling matter of a football stadium inyor
of state that's desperate for a team. But we'll see
what the test Vanians have got to tell me on
the email tonight. Thank you, Jens. Let's go to the
court case now against notorious Sidney hate preacher Wis some
hatded Had that's been sued by the sective Council of
a Strange Jewelry a series of sermons in which he
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described Jews as vile and treacherous. Well, he took the
stand today, Senior reporter Carolla Marcus, has it been at
the federal court and she joins me, Now, Caroline, I
tell you what a huge day he took the stan
Had it all play out?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Well?
Speaker 12 (23:19):
He faced very tough cross examination, Peter. He was asked
about these very contentious, inflammatory sermons that he gave back
in November twenty twenty three that are at the heart
of this case. And what his defense seems to be
is that when he referred to Jews as violent, treacherous,
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as you point out as the descendants of pigs and monkeys,
as shifty people, and various other derogatory statements. He wasn't
talking about all Jews, he says, he was talking about
Jews of faith or Jews that are in the Israeli government.
He made both references today, and he was challenged on
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that evidence at repeated points. It was pointed out to
him that in those speeches he never made that distinction.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
He just used the words Jews.
Speaker 12 (24:11):
He said, I never set out to insult Jews. No,
and that the people he was speaking to, the Muslims
at his Southwest Sydney center, the Al Medina Dhawa Center,
which we've learned has since closed since those speeches have made,
they would have understood what he meant. He said now
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in some of the other evidence he gave in court today,
he claimed that he was just quoting from Islamic scripture
when he made the comments he did about Jews, and
it was put to him that it's not the first
time that he's made controversial comments about a religious or
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ethnic community in the past. It was brought up he's
also insulted Christians. In twenty twenty two, he gave a
sermon saying that wishing someone merry Christmas was worse than
congratulating someone for murder. And then the following year he
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gave another sermon where he described Hindus as a worshipers
of cows and monkeys. When that got picked up and
reported and caused some offense to the community, he made
a video mocking that the offense that they took take
a look.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
They don't want in a community who is offended.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
I'm saying this again, I don't want to have any
beef smile.
Speaker 12 (25:48):
So part of his defense Peter is that mister Hadad
is arguing that he gave these speeches reasonably and in
good faith.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Well, these previous comments he.
Speaker 12 (25:59):
Made were brought up to point out the fact that,
according to the Jewish group, that he is not a
man who acts reasonably and in good faith. There, Barrister
said that he's not a man in our submission who
engages in serious discussions. He's a person who engages in mocking,
flippant comments of other communities, mocking Christmas, mocking people's dietary habits.
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In fact, it was put to mister Hadad that he
made these racist comments about Jews because he wanted to
become a bit of an online celebrity. You wanted to
be an online personality and influencer, didn't you know? Weren't
you trying to relive the glory days of the controversies
about Christians and Hindus. No, he didn't answer questions when
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I caught up with him outside court either, mister Hadad,
is there a difference between Jews of faith and ethnic Jews?
Speaker 8 (26:58):
We have no comment, Thank you very much.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
Do you think your evidence went well today on the stand?
Speaker 11 (27:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
We can't stay any at this stage.
Speaker 12 (27:05):
Do you want to be an online celebrity?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That was a very comprehensive wrap. Thank you, Caroline. Look
after the break, is there a relationship with Israel now
irreparable to senior government ministers have been sanctioned by the
Alberenezy government. Plus the chaos is now engulfed, la has
spread and I thought it on just how bad things
called get in a moment. Welcome back coming up. You
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will not believe one of the woke signs at a
hospital that's got a whole lot of patients in paramedics
very confused, dangerously confused. But first let's bring the foreign
editor at Australian Greg Sheridan, Look at what's happening overseas.
There's a bit going on. Greg, welcome to the program.
Let's start with a sanctions announced today by Penny Wong,
imposed on two Israeli government ministers. The minister says there
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remains a great deal of alignment between the US and Australia,
despite the Trump administration condemning the Australian government's decision here,
the Prime Minister has been pretty defiant, saying Australia makes
its own decisions. Have a listen.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Australia makes their own decisions based upon the assessments that
we make.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
We believe a two state solution is the only way
to end the cycle of violence, and regrettably, it is
also clear that the Nettan Yahu government rejects it.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Greg, are we out of step here?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Well, Peter, great to be with you. Look, I think
it's a bit disturbing the way Albinizi is now enjoying
disagreeing with Trump for the sake of it. That's potentially
a damaging dynamic in our Australian politics. Look, I think
the two ministers they have sanctioned are reprehensible people. They
are reprehensible people. They do enormous damage to Israel. Every
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Israeli I know is ashamed of these two ministers. But
I do think these sanctions are real advised. They're petulant, foolish, empty,
hollow grand standing. I mean, these guys are reprehensible guys.
But have we imposed mcginsky style sanctions on every single
member of the Iranian government which calls for the genocidal
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destruction of the state of Israel. Have we opposed mcginski
style sanctions on all the members of the Chinese government
who are accused of genocide in amongst the Wigas, and
who you know, run a much more repressive regime than
anything Israel ever dreamed of. I think this is just
I mean, there are terrible loss of life going on
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in Sudan and in many parts of the world. This's
got nothing to do with conscience. It's got nothing to
do with good policy. I just think it's you know, petulant,
hollow grand standing on the government's part. It's posturing. It's
not designed to have any useful function at all.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So let me pick up something you reference there about
the relationship between the two men, Because they haven't had
a formal meeting. As we know, we've got this issue,
We've got the tariff issue, We've obviously got this bru
haha about defense funding. Our Prime Minister will be at
the G seven in Canada next week, so obviously we'll
be Donald Trump. What surprises me we are one of
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the last serious countries to have a sit down with
the new president. They're hoping for a pulicide, which you
and I know but viewers at home may not know,
is just an informal grab between the two people walking
down a corridor at the margins of another group meeting. Now,
have we asked for a formal meeting? Has it been rejected?
(30:38):
Because I would be very surprised the government in Australia
should be seeking a formal sit down meeting given we
haven't had one, and the fact that we're not having one,
that we're talking about a pullicide says to me the
relationships not in good shape.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I think that's a fair inference, Peter, but I would
share the blame equally here between Albanesi and Trump. Trump
makes it very difficult for people now to want to
go to Washington. Albanese. He said before the last election
that he would make it a high priority to go
to Washington soon. But then Trump subjected a number of
his visitors to kind of humiliating and bizarre performances in
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the White House in public. I mean, you never used
to have to go through this gauntlet, you know, John
Howard didn't have to do this with Bill Clinton or
anything like that. And so people are now reluctant. They're
high risk and high reward these meetings with Trump. And
if you're very powerful, Trump will pay you some difference,
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like the President of France or the Prime Minister of Britain.
But we are not powerful enough to take any of
that difference, you know, for granted. And if anyone asked Trump,
is Australia spending enough on defense, he'd say no. So
I kin'd of it's sort of cowardly of Albanese not
to go to Washington and make a bigger deal of
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our agenda across the administration and across conress. On the
other hand, Trump.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Even just do it in Canada, yeah, or even just
do it in Canada.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I absolutely try to have a yeah, you're right, try
to have a proper formal meeting in Canada. But if
he went to Washington, he'd do a lot more than
just seeing Trump. But he should have a formal meeting.
He's obviously scared of a formal meeting. I don't think
this is quite satisfactory from the Prime Minister, because you
can't just curl up into the fetal position and hope
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the American president doesn't notice you for three years. I honestly,
I think the trade stuff is not worth two Bob.
I wouldn't expend any energy on trying to get these
tariffs lifted. I think Rudd is doing a very good
job there and if he can get some sort of
deal with the administration, well and good. But it would
be better if Albanez he had a relationship with Trump.
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But I can understand why he is so cautious.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Let's go to what's happening in Los Angeles. It's now
spread to other areas. We know there are protests in
New York and should hargo the Marines now not just
the National Guard on the ground in Los Angeles. Newsom
says Trump isn't opposed to lawlessness and violence as long
as it serves him. We expect, and that's certainly the
rumor that Newsom may run as a Democrat. Certainly at
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the next presidential election. Have listened to his comments. Authoritarian
regimes begin by targeting people who are least able to
defend themselves, but they do not stop there. All right,
how's this going to play out? Well?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I think it suits both Trump and Newsom. Really, in
American politics, you win by energizing your base, and it
energizes the base of both Donald Trump and Gavin Newsom.
I think they both behave pretty poorly. Trump is right
to try to deport illegal immigrants. He said he was
going to do that. He never deported as many as
Barack Obama. In the year twenty ten, Obama deported four
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hundred thousand illegal immigrants, most of whom majority of him
were not criminals. They didn't have any extra criminal records.
Newsom says, it's shocking that Trump is not only deporting criminals,
but he's deporting seamstresses and mechanics and so on. But
the thing is, if you are in America illegally, you
are subject to deport deportation. And the Americans have gone
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through having amnesty after amnesty after amnesty, saying all right, well,
accept everyone who's here already, but anyone who arrives from
tomorrow onwards, illegally will get deported, and then the courts
and the sanctuary cities and the uncooperative democratic city and
state administrations make it impossible to deport people. This is
a big crisis right throughout Western politics. Trump, I think,
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is perfectly legitimate and perfectly right to try to deport people.
I don't know what the point of deploying three hundred
marines was. And all the violence that we're seeing on
the streets of America in the last couple of days
is not between Trump's National guardsmen and demonstrators. It's between
city police forces trying to protect their neighborhoods and trying
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to prevent crime. The city police force of Los Angeles,
subject of the authority of the mayor, which is policing
these downtown demonstrations. The same in Chicago, the same in
New York. But I think both sides of politics are
behaving pretty despicably, and both sides of politics have so
demonized each other that they get their supporters to think
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not that they're merely having a disagreement, but that they
are locked in a mortal struggle between good and evil,
and it's dangerous and destructive. But I mean, America has
seen a lot worse and got through a lot worse.
I just don't know that either Trump or Newsom will
have an incentive genuinely to calm things down. Trump by saying, well, look,
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let's just go easy for a week or two, or
Newsome by saying, we stand one hundred percent in favor
of law enforcement and against and against violent demonstrations, and
we will enforce all the laws that are legitimate laws
of this country.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah. I feel like we this movie before with the
Black Lives Matter. You know, one rule for the left
and another rule for people lawful people on the right.
And I do think governments have got to maintain their
borders because if you don't maintain your borders, you are
not sovereign, and if you're not sovereign, you're not a country.
Well over there, Greg, we'll catch up again next week
after the break. The major changes to public safety in
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the NT. Now this worries me. It's a real Pandora's box.
We'll get into this after the break. And those woke
signs that are popped up at a hospital, welcome back
to all the calm words matter with kel for first
and auditory governments preparing to launch a twelve month trial
which will allow members of the public to carry pepper
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spray under strict conditions from the first of September. Western
Australia is the only other state with this is permitted
at a significantly lower strength than police grade spray. It's
all part of the Finniciaro government's plan to increase public safety.
So far, the plans had a fairly mixed review use
from the public. It's just open up for candle worms, really,
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isn't it. It won't just for us for protection. Yeah, No,
it's not a good idea. It's going to going to
cause more problems in it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
People take things in their own needs.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, I think that's a great idea. So we can
spray people in the faces if we need well.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Some people, yeah, other people. They should actually have a
license and do a test.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Right. Let's bring the main panel on our Deputy executive
director at the IBA, Daniel Wild and the new Member
for mon Ash Liberal MP Mary Aldred. Welcome to you, broth.
You know, on the face of it, Mary, this sounds attractive,
but I'll tell you what I'd imagine getting a home
invasion and someone walking in not just with a machete,
but pepper spray immobilizing you God for being raping you
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or something, or being a woman. You might have it
in your bag, you're going out for a run or something.
You go to use it and someone overpowers it and
uses it on you. This makes me pretty nervous.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Yeah, I've got to say, Peter, I'm lukewarm on it
as well.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
But I think this new government have come to office
with a clear mandate to act on.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
Law and order. They've done some good work on bailed reform.
Speaker 10 (38:14):
Already, on mandatary minimum discussions for repeat domestic violence offenders.
And I do not with the pepper spray proposal. There
are some pretty strong restrictions on licensed outlets. You've got
to be over eighteen and have a pretty clean record.
But I've got to say I'm pretty loopwarm on it
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as well. But even even talking with a group of
local constituents in West Skipsland the other day, people are
scared walking down the street in their home right across
many parts of Australia. I was talking to a couple
that had a home invasion in West s Gippsland, and
you know they.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
It's really affected them.
Speaker 10 (38:54):
They were putting the chair up against the door and
having a baseball, but ready to defend themselves. So this
is having a very big impact on people, and I
think we shouldn't underplay the significance of that in this conversation.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
No, I'm also aware in Melbourne there was a terrible
event out at Doorrien the other day where someone was
trying to fill up their car and they were carjacked.
I know, people won't stop at a petrol station. They're
reluctant to even stop at the lights. It feels like
downtown Johannesburg in some of the suburbs of Melbourne. I mean,
this is the place we're at, and this is the
sort of standard of living that poor old Victorians have
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to suffer. And I elsewhere too. I know it's pretty
bad up in Townsville and elsewhere on this vein. You'd
think that the councilors would do what they should do,
and the state government should do what they should do,
and would all stick to our k needing. But not
if you're the Merribeck Council. This is the old mall
and council that changed its name. Of course, Dan, they
want to send hundreds of thousands of dollars from rate
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pays which should be spent on fixing roads and picking
up rubbish. This is a council that's sort of out
the Brunswick Way, Coburg Way. They want to send it
oversea to have all of these carbon offset programs like
fuel efficient stoves and Guatemala and planting forests and Panama
and solar lighting in Zambia. I mean, give you a break. Well,
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that's right, Peter.
Speaker 13 (40:14):
I mean number one, these carbon offsets are a complete
and total scam that don't do anything to help those
that they're intended to help, but instead just fatten the
bottom line of of profits of these well off foreign
owned corporations. Number Two, what Brad Batten, the leader of
the Opposition, should be saying is that under a government
he leads, these counselors will be sacked immediately and any
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other counselor that's been engaging in this woke social activism
using rate payers money. I just think Victorians and Australians
had a gut full of this behavior taking place, and
at the end of the day, councils should be focused
on roads, rates and rubbish, not engaging in divisive social activism.
It's not as if this is the first incursion that
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this Council, and sadly many other councils have had on
these kind of issues, whether it's Australia Day, whether it's
the Voice to Parliament, whether it's climate activism. So I
think most rate payers just expect that the Council, as
you say, sticks to its knitting. But I really do
think this is a significant political opportunity for the opposition
in Victoria and I really hope they run with it.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Here's another vexed one for you, Mary. Sorry you're in
the hot seat tonight. And American doctor's on his way
to Australia. He's got a whole series of meetings to
talk about a pretty controversial practice. Now, we don't allow
someone to choose the gender of their baby via IVF
in Australia, but this doctor helped an Australian woman, an influencer,
who went to the US last year so she could
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have a girl via IVF. Now, we have seen in
many countries where you can choose the sex of your child.
China and India two real examples. It was in a
great reduction in the number of little girls born. Families
tend to if only had a couple of children, or
one prefer a male child. Do you think of this
option in Australia.
Speaker 10 (42:02):
Yeah, I don't support a change to the existing law
on this issue. I don't think it's a good thing
for a range of reasons.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
But it does come in the backdrop. I've seen some
proponents of it talking.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
About Australia and our declining birth rates.
Speaker 9 (42:19):
I think there's far better ways to address that.
Speaker 10 (42:23):
For a lot of modern working families, one single income
is not enough to.
Speaker 9 (42:28):
Be able to support them having more children.
Speaker 10 (42:30):
I think we need to look at childcare accessibility and
a whole range of other things that are.
Speaker 9 (42:35):
Much more practical. So I don't support any change in
the existing law on this issue.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Let's go to these woke signs in Gospor. Not just woke,
they're pretty confusing. Paramedic has pointed them out that a
whole lot of Indigenous words are now being used for
the emergency department. For the resuscitation by the emergency department
is called the sick cave and the bringback room is
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where you go if you need to be resuscitated. Now
there's English signs there, Dan, but they're right at the
bottom and I think the concern is that there'll be
confusion and lives could be lost.
Speaker 11 (43:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (43:16):
Well, I think it is confusing, and it's also dangerous, Peter,
and it's also divisive. And I just think that Australians
look at this and we wonder where is this actually
going to end? And how does this actually help anybody?
I mean, what is the point of this. The point
of a hospital is to treat people no matter what
their background is, no matter whether they're Indigenous or non indigenous.
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That's the job of a hospital, not to engage in
any form of activism in any way, shape or form.
And I think a lot of Australians also now feel
that in many ways we don't really recognize the country
that we live in. I mean, having different signs in hospitals,
we also see street signs that.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Can be in a different language.
Speaker 13 (43:56):
I'm concerned that we may go down the path of
New Zealand, where they have a lot of their infrastructure
and other social services that have dual names, you know,
and it's obviously a different cultural context. But I think
when you look at this, eraises the question of who's
this intended to help? And I've got to say it's
probably going to cause a lot of damage.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
You're not wrong. I'll live there both. They have a
lovely weekend. I'll see you both next week. I know
we don't the weekend yet, but I won't see them
then until next week. Kel Richard's up the break. I'll
tell you what my audience and my best researchers. I've
got a number of emails already of similar confusing Indigenous
English signs in hospitals. Thank you, Julie. I'll get to
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that one tomorrow night. But now it's Wednesday. It's Kel
Richards who joins me now, as he always does, makes
my week. Leon one of our viewers says, the word
genocide is used a lot these days, and he wants
to know is it being misused?
Speaker 7 (44:55):
Leon, You're right on the money, it is being misused.
The contrast is really s well. Think about it this way.
When Hitler invaded a country, civilians who died died in warfare,
not genocide. But when Hitler sent a specific population group
into gas ovens in death camps, that was genocide. The
difference is crystal clear. In nineteen forty eight, the United
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Nations came up with a definition of genocide which was
the intent to destroy of national, religious, racial, or ethnic group,
intent to destroy a particular group. Now, in the light
of that definition, anyone who supports the Palesidians and says
that Israeli's guilty of genocide in Gaza, I'm sorry. They
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may not intend to, but they are lying.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Oh thank you for clearing that one up. I really
like this one from Karen. She wants to know why
media reports of accidents and they say someone collided with
a tree. She says, don't. Both subjects have to be moving,
so both independently moving to actually collide.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
Originally, Karen, yes, but the language changes over time. Collision
originally meant you couldn't apply to a car at speed
hitting a tree just standing there innocently on its own.
And there are old journalists who lecture the trainees these
days on exactly that point. They say, there's another word.
The word is allgion awl and Alision has been used
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to mean a moving object hitting a stationary object since
sixteen fifteen. But if we ran headlines or ran stories
saying a car allided with the tree, no one would
understand it. So if we can't do that, and the
Oxford is now officially ruled that collision has changed. It's broadened.
It can mean a moving object hitting a stationary object.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
All right, So we say it's evolved, and I get
that English is a living language. I don't think it's
evolved this far. When I grew up, it was agreement,
and I listened to plenty of reporters saying the word agreeance.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely rubbish. And it really distresses me. Is
this is a kind of muddle or confusion between agreement
and compliance. Now I understand where they've had a similar meaning,
but to get them muddled like that, I'm sorry. That
is something done by the semi literate. I would like
to be kind to them and say, you know, agreeance
is a nice word, go on using it, but I'm
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not going to. I'm sorry. If you use agreeance, what
I hear is ignorance. Sheer ignorance. Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's a bit like hel when I hear people say
they passed such and such past. Well, actually they died.
First of all, they died, But if you want a
softer term, it's passed away. It's not passed ye ye, yep.
Speaker 7 (47:52):
There are a lot of people who are that don't
treasure the English language anymore and are not taking care
to use it in the way that they should.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
All right, Rick says, we've heard a lot of terms
during this whole cost of living crisis. You know tight now, Bell,
I think we know what that one means. But Rick
wants to know. Making ends meet.
Speaker 7 (48:12):
Comes from double entry bookkeeping, which was invented back in
Venice in about the twelve hundreds. In double entry bookkeeping,
both columns, the ends, the bottom lines have to be identical.
They have to meet, they have to agree with each other,
they have to balance. When you get those two columns
to balance, you've made ends meet.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's where it's from.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
How good are you? I tell you why. I know
you're going to have a bit of a break, so
we'll miss you for a couple of weeks. All the
very best. We'll save up our words oswords dot com
dot au. Thank you, kel that's it for me, se
tomorrow night. Here's Andrew
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good evening week for the show. Now forgive me, I've
got a bit of a shocking head cold at the moment,
but there's too much going on. Stay at home in bed.
He's what's coming up to night on Credline. A big
day for politicians and senior public servants. Their pay packets
have all gone off the Remuneration Tribunal signing off on
pay rises, including for the Prime Minister, taking his salary
up to a whopping six hundred and twenty two thousand,
(00:29):
plus two mansions, a Limahowa housekeeper, a wine cellar, and
on it goes. Day two of the Sydney hate preacher trial,
and this time it was with some haards turned to
take the stand. So was he has outspoken in the
court as he has been in the mosque. Carolyn Marcus
with an update shortly plus the chaos s in Los
Angeles now spreading with protests breaking out in other capital cities.
(00:50):
Plenty of apologists for the blatant violence we've seen, but
there's always it's wine at rule for the left and
one for everyone else. And in another sign that our
relatelationship with Israel's become openly hostile under labor too. Israeli
government ministers have been sanctioned.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You have ignored the international community and we do not
tolerate it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
If the people leading the discussions trying to get peace
the US are saying this is likely to be unhelpful.
Why has the Australian government done this?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But first, a dramatic revelation late the Salteroern as the
clock ticks down on the looming bankruptcy of former Victorian
Liberal leader John Perzuto. Now, for some time I have
been aware of attempts by more Redeeming to try yet
again to save John Perzuto from himself and spare the
Liberal Party from spending millions and millions of dollars to
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bail him out of a colossal mess of his own making. Now,
for reasons I'm sure you will understand, I've not been
able to publicly discuss any of this because I was
in Deeming's confidence as she gave it all one last
throw of the dice. Take that obligation seriously. But I
am now at a liberty to discuss what I know
(02:05):
publicly with you. After Deeming's generous offer to John Perzuto
was rejected by him this morning and after she then
wrote to the Liberal Party's powerful administrative committee to update them,
and that letter she wrote has found its way into
the media has now reported on The Australian's website this
afternoon by Damon Johnson. And here is what Deeming magnanimously
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offered the man who defamed her, who bullied her and
expelled her from the Liberal Party route. It's a letter
addressed to the current opposition leader Brad Batton, to John
Perzuto and the Liberal Party's Victorian President, Phil Davis. Dear
mister Batton, mister Persuto, mister Davis reads, she says, I
write to you as a Liberal and I make this
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offer someone who deeply respects the rights of the Liberal
Party members, to a party that is focused on winning
the twenty twenty six state election and securing a better
future for all Victorians. I am dismayed by reports that
the Liberal Party Victorian division is considering an approach from
mister John Perzuto to meet his financial obligations in relation
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to a costs order made against him by the Federal
Court after an earlier judgment that he famed me. I
do not understand, wrote more Redeeming, why mister Perzuto did
not accept my pre trial offer to settle the case
for ninety nine thousand dollars when it was apparent he
had no ability to pay in the event he lost
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the case. It is because of the extraordinary sport that
I have received from rank and file members that I
make this offer with the intention that the funds they
have raised to fight the Labor Party remain solely directed
to that important objective. I also want to respect the donors,
she says, who have supported our cause in their hope
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that good government can once again return to the state
we love. So here is the offer from Redeeming, she wrote.
In order for my willingness not to calling the bankruptcy
notice served on mister Perzuto, the following five demands must
be met in full before the time for the notice
falls due on the twenty seventh of Dute. The first,
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that mister Perzuto pays all available funds he has, and
that's reported in the media to be somewhere around seven
hundred and fifty thousand dollars, That he pay those immediately,
and that the remainder of his debt is deferred for
payment until the thirtieth of March twenty twenty seven to
give him, she says, sufficient time to secure the necessary
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funds and avoid bankruptcy. Number Two, she says that the
Liberal Party, through mister Batton, provide me and my family
an unreserved apology for the way I have been treated,
for the imputations against my good name and reputation, and
reject all the false allegations into famatory slurs directed towards me.
Three that my pre selection is endorsed by a special resolution,
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however described in constitutional terms, so that I enjoy the
right to serve my community without any internal distractions, which
is something denied to me to date. Four That the
Liberal Party appoint an independent person from outside Victoria, such
as a former judge, to conduct a wholesale review into
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existing internal dispute resolution mechanisms with specific recommendations for reform,
and that the Party accept those recommendations to create a
new robust body to deal with cases like this in
the future, so that no other Liberal is forced to
suffer as I have, or to take action in the
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courts to remedy a wrong such as this. And five
that all parties draw a line under the events of
the past two years, and ensure our focus is on
the constituents we serve, the party we love, and the
people of Victoria. So there you have it. Two years
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was willing to give John Perzuto to pay what he
owes her, enabling him to avoid bankruptcy, enabling him to
keep his seat in the Parliament. Of course, that she's
also allowed in that deal to keep hers, that party
members are not forced to spend one dollar bailing out
a bloke with judgment as appalling as his, that she
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gets the simple apology that she surely owed, and that
this never happens to another Liberal again. This offer, wrote
more redeeming, is not up for negotiation, said Deeming. I
have suffered through a grueling two and a half years
where almost every offer I have made to negotiate a
settlement was rejected. This is my final attempt, wrote more redeeming,
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to spare the Liberal Party further harm and to afford
mister Pizzuto and his family the dignity that was denied me,
my husband and my children, while for all of that
magnanimu grace. That offer was rejected, with John Perzuto seeking
an extra twenty four hours to Lodge a counter offer,
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and he did after accepting all of the conditions that
would be met by the party, including deemings, pre selection
and an apology. Perzuto still refused to pay the two
point four million dollars that the federal court has ordered
him to pay. Instead, he offered just half of that,
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a mere one at point two million dollars, so more
a deeming would have to wear a million dollar loss.
Now understandably, his counteroffer was rejected, and with that this morning,
John Perzuto walked away from the negotiating table. Liberals I
have been in contact with this afternoon cannot fathom any
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of this. Even people who once supported him are shaking
their heads. Some have even called him a politic called terrorist.
Now clearly he's now pinning all of his hopes on
the Liberal Party bailing him out with a loan at
a administrative committee meeting that's now been shifted to next Thursday.
I am told John Perzuto wants fifteen plus years to
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pay back this debt, which, to be honest, means he
will never pay it back. Right now, Calls and emails
from party branches across the state of flooding into head
office letters like this one that I have received from
the Soldier's Hill branch of the Liberal Party in Ballarat,
and almost all of them like this letter violently objecting
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to any party funds, either cash in the bank or
money that's been set aside in a trust from the
sale of the old party headquarters, be used to bail
him out. Now where this will end up who knows,
but I will give you credit here a to current
Liberal leader Brad Batten, who I know has personally worked
a day and night to get his predecessor to accept
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this offer, and he has met and spoken with Perzuto
of the past four days multiple times. Unfortunately, John Persuto
is as peak headed as he is reckless. Now all
I can say is that, yet again my Redeeming has
displayed the integrity that is lacking in so many others.
So bankruptcy by the twenty seventh of June and the
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by election watch this space. Come fathom stupidity. I suspect
you can't either. Let's go to camin Out the headline
Sky and his political reporter cam Reddin.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Good Evening Australia has sanctioned two top Israeli ministers for
inciting violence against Palestinians.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Whilst they are not the only members of the Israeli
government whose actions have been problematic, they are certainly the
most extreme.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It is outrageous elected representatives and members of the government
and are subjected this kind of measures.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The measures have been imposed in unison with Britain, Canada,
Norway and New Zealand, but have drawn condemnation from US
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who says they don't advance
efforts for a ceasefire and to end the war.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Australia makes your own decisions based upon the assessments that
we make.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
The coalition says it wants a seat at the government's
productivity roundtable, to be held in August. Three years ago,
former leader Peter Dutton snubbed an invitation to Labour's Jobs
and Skills Summit. At this time it's up to the
government if they invite us, we will attend. Tasmania's government
remains in limbo, awaiting a decision on whether it will
be sent to a snap election. Dean Winter needs to
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come out today and explain to the Tasmanian people why
he blew up the parliament. No matter how much you
love that old sheep dog.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
If he can't round up the sheep anymore, it's time
to get a new one.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Cameron Reddin's go nine years Canberra?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
All right, Jotyman, how to get across some of the
other big stories. National Affairs editor at Daddy Telegraph, James
Morrow Skyny his host here as you know, and seen
your fellow at the Menzies research Senate Nkata Nick just
on the Perzuna Deeming matter. The Australian is reporting from
the Perzuto camp that he describes Deemon's proposal as not
a real deal and question her decision to tie her
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guaranteed preselection to the offer. Now I'm telling you I'm
privy to the offer. It was a real deal. It
was so real that he asked for it to be extended.
He wanted to stay at the table. He just wanted
to pay half the money. What do you make of
as rejection of this today and his plea instead that
the Liberal Party bail him out.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
He's in no position to be bargaining right now, Peter.
I think he should take this deal. It sounds like
a very good way out out of his short term dilemma,
and of course he should pay what the courts said
he should pay in full. That's a court judge. Nobody
should be second guessing the courts. But look, I tell
you what, Peter, I've been talking to a number of
significant Liberals Party donors sorry, in recent days. They are
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fuming already about the way the federal campaign was conducted
and the fact that they saw that their money was wasted.
If they go If the Liberal Party in Victoria goes
ahead and uses money which will of course have come
from donors, they don't have any other source of money.
If they use that money to settle this bill, there
will be a red hot civil war and the Liberal
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Party will be one step closer to not being able
to fund anything, let alone an election campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, I just saw our strap there. It says Moira's
ultimation to John Bozuro. It's not an ultimatum from her.
I mean, she's trying to give the party away out.
She's trying to give him dignity for two years to
pay what he owes. And bo he's an officer of
the court, as a solicitor, that's the legal term. He
knows absolutely he's got a duty to pay what a
court order has said he must pay. So look, I
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find this extraordinary and I am just sad as a Victorian,
Like so many people watching this program tonight, we are
desperate for a change of government. Highest debt in the land,
no way to pay it back, terrible issues with infrastructure,
and I mean, don't get me started on how corrupt.
I'll use that word because that's been the subject of
IBACK rulings in this state. Institutions in this state are
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we need a change of government, and this mob can't
stop squabbling amongst themselves. And I'll leave it there. I
could spend the whole night talking about how bad things
are in this state. Let's go federally. Let's look at
the fact that if you're a politician, you've just got
a healthy pay rise today two point four percent for
every MP, department secretaries, public servants. The Prime Minister, well,
he'll go up to six hundred and twenty two thousand
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dollars and made the point he's got a mansion, limo staff, housekeepers,
a wine cellar offered goes there, sus unless she's not
doing badly either. Four hundred and forty two thousand dollars.
I know the remuneration tribunal is independent Nick. But you know,
woul people at home be saying this is deserved.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, I'll tell you what. I wouldn't take Susan Lee's
job for four hundred thousand. But that's beside the point.
Of course, this is completely out of step with community standards.
These people are doing a performing public service that should
be looked upon like that. I wish there was some way,
Peter for putting some performance bonus in, you know, so
haw having the salary and saying you'll get the rest
of it, you know, if you can pay down the debt,
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or you'll get the rest of it if you can
cut taxes. It would be nice to have a system
like that. But right now, you know, politicians of course,
will just take that. The smart thing to do, I
think for any politician would be to defer thist payment
or put it to charity or something while everybody else
is doing it tough. But of course I don't see
that ever happening on either side of parliament.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Just I love that idea of having a performance bonus.
That would be very very good for the poor old taxpayer.
Let's go to Los Angeles. Of course, we've got the
reaction to the shooting of the Channel nine reporters still
playing out today. This was, of course, with a rubber bullet.
We learned today that diplomats in Washington have now lodged
an official complaint with US officials out. Fair enough, she's
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an Australian citizen. But I can't get over the hypocrisy
for the Prime Minister with these comments at the Press
Club yesterday.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
That footage was horrific. It is not unreasonable to think
that she would not have been targeted with a rubber bullet.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Fair enough, James, as I say, fair enough, but where
were all these federal politicians in Victoria was under siege
and Daniel Andrews putting police on the street and the
police in Victoria using rubber bullets firing at citizens.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Well yeah, I mean it is a bit much here,
isn't it for the Prime Minister to protest like this?
Frankly nobody, Very few people come out of those COVID
protests with clean hands when it comes to this sort
of thing. We had people New South Wales also cheering on,
and there was a liberal government here at that time.
You know the police actions against COVID anti lockdown protesters
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here in New South Wales as well. You know, and
people who watch Outsiders know that we have a tape
of Victorian cops doing all sorts of outrageous things, I
mean really outrageous things to citizens who are protesting or
just simply you know, not wearing their mask in the
right place. And everybody cheered at all and said raw, raw,
how good is this? So yeah, okay, like sure, you
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know it was unpleasant for our reporter friend to cop
a rub bullet in the leg, and you know, if
the cop targeted her deliberately, he should be disciplined. Obviously.
This is not, though PETA an international incident. And again everybody,
as you suggest, really should look at what they were
saying about cops and rubber bullets and protests like three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Let's go if I can nick to the PM's announce
when yes, today that he'll have yet another live around table,
another talk face to come up with an idea because
he hasn't got a plan of his own. It's got
a pretty lukewarm response from business leaders today haven't listened.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
At least the Prime Minister has recognized and the government
have recognized they have to do that.
Speaker 9 (17:12):
That's positive. So we have to recognize as a problem.
Speaker 10 (17:15):
The disappointing thing was we had the union movement come
out last night and basically say, well, there's nothing to
see here.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
We do want to see a longer term, more ambitious agenda,
but I think let's take the first step.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
They're really pushing hard already, Nick on ir And of
course we know if the unions donate to labor election campaigns,
when labours return to government, they expect that donation to
be paid back in kind.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, because I don't think you actually need a round
table to decide why productivity is falling and what we
do to fix it, because these things are simple, right.
You remove regulation so that employers can be more innovative
and more agile. You certainly don't use, you know, locking
in deals with unions because they are inherently unproductive. And
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to be honest, you wouldn't be raising the minimum wage
way above inflation either, because in the end, wages have
to match productivity. If they don't, you get inflation and
you get everything gets out of kilt. You end up
with fewer jobs. So I think we'd like to see
them walk the walk on this. It's all very well
using this magic word productivity. I'm not entirely. Sure the
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Prime Minister actually understands what it means.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
By the way, I think he thinks productivity is getting
on a plane, right, getting on a plane and being
seen to be doing something without any extral outcome, and
of course, well very carefully when he meets as he
hopes to do, not confirmed in the sidelines of the
G seven, when he meets to US President Donald Trump
to see if he can get some outcomes for his productivity. Interestingly,
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there was an interview today Jack Schron he's the president Jurgens,
a US based manufacturing company in the US. He says
that they are on the verge of a quantum leap
in manufacturing. Have a listen.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
It's some of the low cost competitors who've been putting
product in the United States. Now we are proceed competitively
with them because their price has to be picked up
by the terroriffs coming into the United States. As a result,
we've seen an increase in our business both here in
Cleveland and Chicago. Chicago along we've put on over twenty
five new employees.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Now all of us impacted by these tariffs. Sure we're
cranky outside of the United States, but there's an example
of a US based business, James, who's saying that the
tariffs are enabling US as a nation to reindustrialize, that
they're leveling the playing field, it's bringing back jobs in
manufacturing to the US economy. And this was precisely what
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the president was elected to do. As much as we
mightn't like it.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Well, exactly, Peter, and I mean everybody complains about Donald
Trump doing tariffs, deporting illegal aliens and all that sort
of stuff. He went out and said exactly what he
was going to do at rally after rally after rally,
you know, unlike say Anthony Albneasy, who said, oh well,
oh no, we're we're going to have a reforman genda.
Oh no, now we will have a reforman genda. Who knows,
you know, it's all entirely transparent. I think that's why
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the political class hates Donald Trump so much, is that
he is, in fact transparent. He tells you what he's
going to do, and then he goes out and he
tries to do it the best he can in the
face of huge opposition. Now, in reference to the tariffs,
there obviously the whole thing, and Trump has never been
shy about this He has been talking about this issue
for decades. He was talking about this issue in the
eighties and nineties when Japan was the issue, and then
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about China when China was the issue. This is Trump's
belief that America cannot be a superpower if it cannot
make things. He's right. I mean, this is not a
hard thing for people to grasp. And you know, that's
just one anecdotal story you played there, Peter. But I
think we're going to start to see this, you know,
across the economy. And we've already started to see that
most of the doomsaye predictions about inflation and so on
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in the United States, well they simply have had come
to pass.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I got to say, Nick Ktor, it's got echoes in
nineteen seventy five and the dismissal and all the backwards
and forwards going on at Government House with the governor
and the then Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition,
You've got issues. In Tasmania. The premier there, you know,
vote of no confidence in the house goes to the
governor says I want you to spill the parliament and
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take us to an election. Well the governor said no,
I want to think about this, ort to consider all
the options. So he's gone away the States in limbo.
In power terms, he's come out swinging at the opposition.
But I see what the real target here is the AFL.
They are demanding a stadium is built with a roof.
That's where the fights come out over the amount being spent.
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And Rockcliffe, he's the current premier, obviously could get rolled
by his own party. It's a real mess.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean, of course, the difference with the dismissal
is that dismissal was over something fairly more serious than
a football code and establishing a football team in the stadium.
It's incredibly it comes down to this. Look, Peter, I'm
not a constitutional lawyer, but I would have thought this
is pretty straightforward. Can Rockcliffe? Does Rockcliffe command the House
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or not? I mean, is he able to pass legislation
or not? That's a simple test. It's a small parliament.
I've sat in the gallery and watched them play, so
it seems to we have fairly straightforward decision. And if
the Premier comes to the Governor and says he no
longer has the confidence of the House because he's had
a no confidence motion, pretty straightforward decision for the governor,
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I would have thought, but perhaps there's something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, I think you've upset a lot of AFL people
saying it's a trifling matter of a football stadium inyor
of state that's desperate for a team. But we'll see
what the test Vanians have got to tell me on
the email tonight. Thank you, Jens. Let's go to the
court case now against notorious Sidney hate preacher Wis some
hatded Had that's been sued by the sective Council of
a Strange Jewelry a series of sermons in which he
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described Jews as vile and treacherous. Well, he took the
stand today, Senior reporter Carolla Marcus, has it been at
the federal court and she joins me, Now, Caroline, I
tell you what a huge day he took the stan
Had it all play out?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Well?
Speaker 12 (23:19):
He faced very tough cross examination, Peter. He was asked
about these very contentious, inflammatory sermons that he gave back
in November twenty twenty three that are at the heart
of this case. And what his defense seems to be
is that when he referred to Jews as violent, treacherous,
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as you point out as the descendants of pigs and monkeys,
as shifty people, and various other derogatory statements. He wasn't
talking about all Jews, he says, he was talking about
Jews of faith or Jews that are in the Israeli government.
He made both references today, and he was challenged on
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that evidence at repeated points. It was pointed out to
him that in those speeches he never made that distinction.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
He just used the words Jews.
Speaker 12 (24:11):
He said, I never set out to insult Jews. No,
and that the people he was speaking to, the Muslims
at his Southwest Sydney center, the Al Medina Dhawa Center,
which we've learned has since closed since those speeches have made,
they would have understood what he meant. He said now
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in some of the other evidence he gave in court today,
he claimed that he was just quoting from Islamic scripture
when he made the comments he did about Jews, and
it was put to him that it's not the first
time that he's made controversial comments about a religious or
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ethnic community in the past. It was brought up he's
also insulted Christians. In twenty twenty two, he gave a
sermon saying that wishing someone merry Christmas was worse than
congratulating someone for murder. And then the following year he
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gave another sermon where he described Hindus as a worshipers
of cows and monkeys. When that got picked up and
reported and caused some offense to the community, he made
a video mocking that the offense that they took take
a look.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
They don't want in a community who is offended.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
I'm saying this again, I don't want to have any
beef smile.
Speaker 12 (25:48):
So part of his defense Peter is that mister Hadad
is arguing that he gave these speeches reasonably and in
good faith.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Well, these previous comments he.
Speaker 12 (25:59):
Made were brought up to point out the fact that,
according to the Jewish group, that he is not a
man who acts reasonably and in good faith. There, Barrister
said that he's not a man in our submission who
engages in serious discussions. He's a person who engages in mocking,
flippant comments of other communities, mocking Christmas, mocking people's dietary habits.
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In fact, it was put to mister Hadad that he
made these racist comments about Jews because he wanted to
become a bit of an online celebrity. You wanted to
be an online personality and influencer, didn't you know? Weren't
you trying to relive the glory days of the controversies
about Christians and Hindus. No, he didn't answer questions when
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I caught up with him outside court either, mister Hadad,
is there a difference between Jews of faith and ethnic Jews?
Speaker 8 (26:58):
We have no comment, Thank you very much.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
Do you think your evidence went well today on the stand?
Speaker 11 (27:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
We can't stay any at this stage.
Speaker 12 (27:05):
Do you want to be an online celebrity?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That was a very comprehensive wrap. Thank you, Caroline. Look
after the break, is there a relationship with Israel now
irreparable to senior government ministers have been sanctioned by the
Alberenezy government. Plus the chaos is now engulfed, la has
spread and I thought it on just how bad things
called get in a moment. Welcome back coming up. You
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will not believe one of the woke signs at a
hospital that's got a whole lot of patients in paramedics
very confused, dangerously confused. But first let's bring the foreign
editor at Australian Greg Sheridan, Look at what's happening overseas.
There's a bit going on. Greg, welcome to the program.
Let's start with a sanctions announced today by Penny Wong,
imposed on two Israeli government ministers. The minister says there
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remains a great deal of alignment between the US and Australia,
despite the Trump administration condemning the Australian government's decision here,
the Prime Minister has been pretty defiant, saying Australia makes
its own decisions. Have a listen.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Australia makes their own decisions based upon the assessments that
we make.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
We believe a two state solution is the only way
to end the cycle of violence, and regrettably, it is
also clear that the Nettan Yahu government rejects it.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Greg, are we out of step here?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Well, Peter, great to be with you. Look, I think
it's a bit disturbing the way Albinizi is now enjoying
disagreeing with Trump for the sake of it. That's potentially
a damaging dynamic in our Australian politics. Look, I think
the two ministers they have sanctioned are reprehensible people. They
are reprehensible people. They do enormous damage to Israel. Every
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Israeli I know is ashamed of these two ministers. But
I do think these sanctions are real advised. They're petulant, foolish, empty,
hollow grand standing. I mean, these guys are reprehensible guys.
But have we imposed mcginsky style sanctions on every single
member of the Iranian government which calls for the genocidal
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destruction of the state of Israel. Have we opposed mcginski
style sanctions on all the members of the Chinese government
who are accused of genocide in amongst the Wigas, and
who you know, run a much more repressive regime than
anything Israel ever dreamed of. I think this is just
I mean, there are terrible loss of life going on
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in Sudan and in many parts of the world. This's
got nothing to do with conscience. It's got nothing to
do with good policy. I just think it's you know, petulant,
hollow grand standing on the government's part. It's posturing. It's
not designed to have any useful function at all.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So let me pick up something you reference there about
the relationship between the two men, Because they haven't had
a formal meeting. As we know, we've got this issue,
We've got the tariff issue, We've obviously got this bru
haha about defense funding. Our Prime Minister will be at
the G seven in Canada next week, so obviously we'll
be Donald Trump. What surprises me we are one of
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the last serious countries to have a sit down with
the new president. They're hoping for a pulicide, which you
and I know but viewers at home may not know,
is just an informal grab between the two people walking
down a corridor at the margins of another group meeting. Now,
have we asked for a formal meeting? Has it been rejected?
(30:38):
Because I would be very surprised the government in Australia
should be seeking a formal sit down meeting given we
haven't had one, and the fact that we're not having one,
that we're talking about a pullicide says to me the
relationships not in good shape.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I think that's a fair inference, Peter, but I would
share the blame equally here between Albanesi and Trump. Trump
makes it very difficult for people now to want to
go to Washington. Albanese. He said before the last election
that he would make it a high priority to go
to Washington soon. But then Trump subjected a number of
his visitors to kind of humiliating and bizarre performances in
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the White House in public. I mean, you never used
to have to go through this gauntlet, you know, John
Howard didn't have to do this with Bill Clinton or
anything like that. And so people are now reluctant. They're
high risk and high reward these meetings with Trump. And
if you're very powerful, Trump will pay you some difference,
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like the President of France or the Prime Minister of Britain.
But we are not powerful enough to take any of
that difference, you know, for granted. And if anyone asked Trump,
is Australia spending enough on defense, he'd say no. So
I kin'd of it's sort of cowardly of Albanese not
to go to Washington and make a bigger deal of
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our agenda across the administration and across conress. On the
other hand, Trump.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Even just do it in Canada, yeah, or even just
do it in Canada.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I absolutely try to have a yeah, you're right, try
to have a proper formal meeting in Canada. But if
he went to Washington, he'd do a lot more than
just seeing Trump. But he should have a formal meeting.
He's obviously scared of a formal meeting. I don't think
this is quite satisfactory from the Prime Minister, because you
can't just curl up into the fetal position and hope
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the American president doesn't notice you for three years. I honestly,
I think the trade stuff is not worth two Bob.
I wouldn't expend any energy on trying to get these
tariffs lifted. I think Rudd is doing a very good
job there and if he can get some sort of
deal with the administration, well and good. But it would
be better if Albanez he had a relationship with Trump.
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But I can understand why he is so cautious.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Let's go to what's happening in Los Angeles. It's now
spread to other areas. We know there are protests in
New York and should hargo the Marines now not just
the National Guard on the ground in Los Angeles. Newsom
says Trump isn't opposed to lawlessness and violence as long
as it serves him. We expect, and that's certainly the
rumor that Newsom may run as a Democrat. Certainly at
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the next presidential election. Have listened to his comments. Authoritarian
regimes begin by targeting people who are least able to
defend themselves, but they do not stop there. All right,
how's this going to play out? Well?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I think it suits both Trump and Newsom. Really, in
American politics, you win by energizing your base, and it
energizes the base of both Donald Trump and Gavin Newsom.
I think they both behave pretty poorly. Trump is right
to try to deport illegal immigrants. He said he was
going to do that. He never deported as many as
Barack Obama. In the year twenty ten, Obama deported four
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hundred thousand illegal immigrants, most of whom majority of him
were not criminals. They didn't have any extra criminal records.
Newsom says, it's shocking that Trump is not only deporting criminals,
but he's deporting seamstresses and mechanics and so on. But
the thing is, if you are in America illegally, you
are subject to deport deportation. And the Americans have gone
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through having amnesty after amnesty after amnesty, saying all right, well,
accept everyone who's here already, but anyone who arrives from
tomorrow onwards, illegally will get deported, and then the courts
and the sanctuary cities and the uncooperative democratic city and
state administrations make it impossible to deport people. This is
a big crisis right throughout Western politics. Trump, I think,
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is perfectly legitimate and perfectly right to try to deport people.
I don't know what the point of deploying three hundred
marines was. And all the violence that we're seeing on
the streets of America in the last couple of days
is not between Trump's National guardsmen and demonstrators. It's between
city police forces trying to protect their neighborhoods and trying
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to prevent crime. The city police force of Los Angeles,
subject of the authority of the mayor, which is policing
these downtown demonstrations. The same in Chicago, the same in
New York. But I think both sides of politics are
behaving pretty despicably, and both sides of politics have so
demonized each other that they get their supporters to think
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not that they're merely having a disagreement, but that they
are locked in a mortal struggle between good and evil,
and it's dangerous and destructive. But I mean, America has
seen a lot worse and got through a lot worse.
I just don't know that either Trump or Newsom will
have an incentive genuinely to calm things down. Trump by saying, well, look,
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let's just go easy for a week or two, or
Newsome by saying, we stand one hundred percent in favor
of law enforcement and against and against violent demonstrations, and
we will enforce all the laws that are legitimate laws
of this country.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah. I feel like we this movie before with the
Black Lives Matter. You know, one rule for the left
and another rule for people lawful people on the right.
And I do think governments have got to maintain their
borders because if you don't maintain your borders, you are
not sovereign, and if you're not sovereign, you're not a country.
Well over there, Greg, we'll catch up again next week
after the break. The major changes to public safety in
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the NT. Now this worries me. It's a real Pandora's box.
We'll get into this after the break. And those woke
signs that are popped up at a hospital, welcome back
to all the calm words matter with kel for first
and auditory governments preparing to launch a twelve month trial
which will allow members of the public to carry pepper
(36:43):
spray under strict conditions from the first of September. Western
Australia is the only other state with this is permitted
at a significantly lower strength than police grade spray. It's
all part of the Finniciaro government's plan to increase public safety.
So far, the plans had a fairly mixed review use
from the public. It's just open up for candle worms, really,
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isn't it. It won't just for us for protection. Yeah, No,
it's not a good idea. It's going to going to
cause more problems in it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
People take things in their own needs.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, I think that's a great idea. So we can
spray people in the faces if we need well.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Some people, yeah, other people. They should actually have a
license and do a test.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Right. Let's bring the main panel on our Deputy executive
director at the IBA, Daniel Wild and the new Member
for mon Ash Liberal MP Mary Aldred. Welcome to you, broth.
You know, on the face of it, Mary, this sounds attractive,
but I'll tell you what I'd imagine getting a home
invasion and someone walking in not just with a machete,
but pepper spray immobilizing you God for being raping you
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or something, or being a woman. You might have it
in your bag, you're going out for a run or something.
You go to use it and someone overpowers it and
uses it on you. This makes me pretty nervous.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Yeah, I've got to say, Peter, I'm lukewarm on it
as well.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
But I think this new government have come to office
with a clear mandate to act on.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
Law and order. They've done some good work on bailed reform.
Speaker 10 (38:14):
Already, on mandatary minimum discussions for repeat domestic violence offenders.
And I do not with the pepper spray proposal. There
are some pretty strong restrictions on licensed outlets. You've got
to be over eighteen and have a pretty clean record.
But I've got to say I'm pretty loopwarm on it
(38:34):
as well. But even even talking with a group of
local constituents in West Skipsland the other day, people are
scared walking down the street in their home right across
many parts of Australia. I was talking to a couple
that had a home invasion in West s Gippsland, and
you know they.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
It's really affected them.
Speaker 10 (38:54):
They were putting the chair up against the door and
having a baseball, but ready to defend themselves. So this
is having a very big impact on people, and I
think we shouldn't underplay the significance of that in this conversation.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
No, I'm also aware in Melbourne there was a terrible
event out at Doorrien the other day where someone was
trying to fill up their car and they were carjacked.
I know, people won't stop at a petrol station. They're
reluctant to even stop at the lights. It feels like
downtown Johannesburg in some of the suburbs of Melbourne. I mean,
this is the place we're at, and this is the
sort of standard of living that poor old Victorians have
(39:29):
to suffer. And I elsewhere too. I know it's pretty
bad up in Townsville and elsewhere on this vein. You'd
think that the councilors would do what they should do,
and the state government should do what they should do,
and would all stick to our k needing. But not
if you're the Merribeck Council. This is the old mall
and council that changed its name. Of course, Dan, they
want to send hundreds of thousands of dollars from rate
(39:49):
pays which should be spent on fixing roads and picking
up rubbish. This is a council that's sort of out
the Brunswick Way, Coburg Way. They want to send it
oversea to have all of these carbon offset programs like
fuel efficient stoves and Guatemala and planting forests and Panama
and solar lighting in Zambia. I mean, give you a break. Well,
(40:13):
that's right, Peter.
Speaker 13 (40:14):
I mean number one, these carbon offsets are a complete
and total scam that don't do anything to help those
that they're intended to help, but instead just fatten the
bottom line of of profits of these well off foreign
owned corporations. Number Two, what Brad Batten, the leader of
the Opposition, should be saying is that under a government
he leads, these counselors will be sacked immediately and any
(40:35):
other counselor that's been engaging in this woke social activism
using rate payers money. I just think Victorians and Australians
had a gut full of this behavior taking place, and
at the end of the day, councils should be focused
on roads, rates and rubbish, not engaging in divisive social activism.
It's not as if this is the first incursion that
(40:56):
this Council, and sadly many other councils have had on
these kind of issues, whether it's Australia Day, whether it's
the Voice to Parliament, whether it's climate activism. So I
think most rate payers just expect that the Council, as
you say, sticks to its knitting. But I really do
think this is a significant political opportunity for the opposition
in Victoria and I really hope they run with it.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Here's another vexed one for you, Mary. Sorry you're in
the hot seat tonight. And American doctor's on his way
to Australia. He's got a whole series of meetings to
talk about a pretty controversial practice. Now, we don't allow
someone to choose the gender of their baby via IVF
in Australia, but this doctor helped an Australian woman, an influencer,
who went to the US last year so she could
(41:40):
have a girl via IVF. Now, we have seen in
many countries where you can choose the sex of your child.
China and India two real examples. It was in a
great reduction in the number of little girls born. Families
tend to if only had a couple of children, or
one prefer a male child. Do you think of this
option in Australia.
Speaker 10 (42:02):
Yeah, I don't support a change to the existing law
on this issue. I don't think it's a good thing
for a range of reasons.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
But it does come in the backdrop. I've seen some
proponents of it talking.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
About Australia and our declining birth rates.
Speaker 9 (42:19):
I think there's far better ways to address that.
Speaker 10 (42:23):
For a lot of modern working families, one single income
is not enough to.
Speaker 9 (42:28):
Be able to support them having more children.
Speaker 10 (42:30):
I think we need to look at childcare accessibility and
a whole range of other things that are.
Speaker 9 (42:35):
Much more practical. So I don't support any change in
the existing law on this issue.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Let's go to these woke signs in Gospor. Not just woke,
they're pretty confusing. Paramedic has pointed them out that a
whole lot of Indigenous words are now being used for
the emergency department. For the resuscitation by the emergency department
is called the sick cave and the bringback room is
(43:03):
where you go if you need to be resuscitated. Now
there's English signs there, Dan, but they're right at the
bottom and I think the concern is that there'll be
confusion and lives could be lost.
Speaker 11 (43:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (43:16):
Well, I think it is confusing, and it's also dangerous, Peter,
and it's also divisive. And I just think that Australians
look at this and we wonder where is this actually
going to end? And how does this actually help anybody?
I mean, what is the point of this. The point
of a hospital is to treat people no matter what
their background is, no matter whether they're Indigenous or non indigenous.
(43:39):
That's the job of a hospital, not to engage in
any form of activism in any way, shape or form.
And I think a lot of Australians also now feel
that in many ways we don't really recognize the country
that we live in. I mean, having different signs in hospitals,
we also see street signs that.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Can be in a different language.
Speaker 13 (43:56):
I'm concerned that we may go down the path of
New Zealand, where they have a lot of their infrastructure
and other social services that have dual names, you know,
and it's obviously a different cultural context. But I think
when you look at this, eraises the question of who's
this intended to help? And I've got to say it's
probably going to cause a lot of damage.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
You're not wrong. I'll live there both. They have a
lovely weekend. I'll see you both next week. I know
we don't the weekend yet, but I won't see them
then until next week. Kel Richard's up the break. I'll
tell you what my audience and my best researchers. I've
got a number of emails already of similar confusing Indigenous
English signs in hospitals. Thank you, Julie. I'll get to
(44:39):
that one tomorrow night. But now it's Wednesday. It's Kel
Richards who joins me now, as he always does, makes
my week. Leon one of our viewers says, the word
genocide is used a lot these days, and he wants
to know is it being misused?
Speaker 7 (44:55):
Leon, You're right on the money, it is being misused.
The contrast is really s well. Think about it this way.
When Hitler invaded a country, civilians who died died in warfare,
not genocide. But when Hitler sent a specific population group
into gas ovens in death camps, that was genocide. The
difference is crystal clear. In nineteen forty eight, the United
(45:18):
Nations came up with a definition of genocide which was
the intent to destroy of national, religious, racial, or ethnic group,
intent to destroy a particular group. Now, in the light
of that definition, anyone who supports the Palesidians and says
that Israeli's guilty of genocide in Gaza, I'm sorry. They
(45:40):
may not intend to, but they are lying.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Oh thank you for clearing that one up. I really
like this one from Karen. She wants to know why
media reports of accidents and they say someone collided with
a tree. She says, don't. Both subjects have to be moving,
so both independently moving to actually collide.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
Originally, Karen, yes, but the language changes over time. Collision
originally meant you couldn't apply to a car at speed
hitting a tree just standing there innocently on its own.
And there are old journalists who lecture the trainees these
days on exactly that point. They say, there's another word.
The word is allgion awl and Alision has been used
(46:26):
to mean a moving object hitting a stationary object since
sixteen fifteen. But if we ran headlines or ran stories
saying a car allided with the tree, no one would
understand it. So if we can't do that, and the
Oxford is now officially ruled that collision has changed. It's broadened.
It can mean a moving object hitting a stationary object.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
All right, So we say it's evolved, and I get
that English is a living language. I don't think it's
evolved this far. When I grew up, it was agreement,
and I listened to plenty of reporters saying the word agreeance.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely rubbish. And it really distresses me. Is
this is a kind of muddle or confusion between agreement
and compliance. Now I understand where they've had a similar meaning,
but to get them muddled like that, I'm sorry. That
is something done by the semi literate. I would like
to be kind to them and say, you know, agreeance
is a nice word, go on using it, but I'm
(47:29):
not going to. I'm sorry. If you use agreeance, what
I hear is ignorance. Sheer ignorance. Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's a bit like hel when I hear people say
they passed such and such past. Well, actually they died.
First of all, they died, But if you want a
softer term, it's passed away. It's not passed ye ye, yep.
Speaker 7 (47:52):
There are a lot of people who are that don't
treasure the English language anymore and are not taking care
to use it in the way that they should.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
All right, Rick says, we've heard a lot of terms
during this whole cost of living crisis. You know tight now, Bell,
I think we know what that one means. But Rick
wants to know. Making ends meet.
Speaker 7 (48:12):
Comes from double entry bookkeeping, which was invented back in
Venice in about the twelve hundreds. In double entry bookkeeping,
both columns, the ends, the bottom lines have to be identical.
They have to meet, they have to agree with each other,
they have to balance. When you get those two columns
to balance, you've made ends meet.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's where it's from.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
How good are you? I tell you why. I know
you're going to have a bit of a break, so
we'll miss you for a couple of weeks. All the
very best. We'll save up our words oswords dot com
dot au. Thank you, kel that's it for me, se
tomorrow night. Here's Andrew
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