April 16, 2025 • 49 mins
Peta reveals push polling happening in the seat of Kooyong, GPs raise concerns with Labor’s Medicare plan. Plus, Greg Sheridan on the war of wars over Russia.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krendland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program. Huge show coming up tonight.
Let's get straight to it. I'm going to exclusively reveal
here in a moment some push polling happening right now
in the seat of Couyong. Now, this is a real
insight into just how the Manique Ryan team is skewing
a campaign. You know, Labour's medicare claims are dubious when
GPS and medical bodies have gone public. They're more than
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happy to take the billions being doled out, but they
say we've got a big problem. So much for the
PM's campaign centering around medicare. Is he going to get
some tough questions now? Plus, the Labor Leaves Climate charity
actively campaigning against the coalition shocking revelations today they've received
thousands of money from so called clean energy companies that
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have been blacklisted overseas over concerns regarding slave labor. And
a war of words is a on the campaign trail
over who knew what when when it comes to Russia's
push into our region.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He verbaled the President of Indonesia.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's obvious that Indonesia well as a matter of fact
that Indonesia has joined with Russia and with Brazil and
with other countries including China, they are closer together.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Now we're going to stay with that issue because the
increasingly dangerous outside world has just intruded on our election
campaign again. And this time it wasn't the lef's favorite monster,
Donald Trump, whom Anthony Albanezi likes to pretend is Peter
Dutton's political inspiration. This time it was Russia seeking a
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permanent base for its long range aircraft in Indonesia. Naturally,
Labor tried to make Peter Dutton the issue, not Vladimir Putin.
A government that's failed always tries to make it all
about the opposition, and a government that's gone missing on
national security issues always tries to find a spine during
a must win election.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Peter Dutton is really too agro and too reckless to
the Australia's Prime minister, because the most concerning thing about
yesterday was the fact that he was willing to fabricate
a statement by the President of Indonesia in order to
make a domestic political point.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Give it up, Penny. This is a government, your government
that's lied about power prices. It's made the cost of
living crisis worse. But there are a few worse failures
for a national government than national security ones. Now that's
where the Albanezer government's been completely passive today. Former Army
Chief General Peter Lay described our politicians as clowns, and
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so all the coalitions should have had its defense policy
out there weeks and weeks ago. But it's the Albenezy
government that's canceled orders for more planes, that's prematurely retired
navy frigates, that's disbanded the mind sweeping for and buried
retiring helicopters in the ground, if you can believe it,
rather than give them to Ukraine. When the Chinese navy
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deliberately injured our sailors, It failed to protest. When Chinese
warships who can navigated our waters and conducted unannounced unsafe
life fire XES exercises, no protest, and our labor is
pretending that Russian planes based on our doorstep would be
no big deal. Today the government stonewall questions about whether
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the Russians had made a formal request of the Indonesians
for a permanent base.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
This is not being well.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
My question was can you know about the request.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Get well, it's not clear what it's not clear what
you're assuming the Jane report is correct, and there is
no basis for you assuming that secondly, second, second.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
A request was never made. We know that for sure
that a request was not made. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I'm saying, I like diplomatically with our friends in Indonesia.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Watch out. The generalist had the taker berks about four
times smarter than the Prime Minister. Either that government does
not know, which would be a serious intelligence failure, or
it does know but won't say, which means it's basically
clueless on how to respond to the proliferation of threats
in our region. Now, who do you think would be
better to handle the rearmament Australia desperately needs. Former Defense
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Minister Peter Dutton or former student activist Albanesi as defense minister?
Who do you think former sas officer Andrew Hasty or
the current incumbent Richard Miles, known war for traveling on
RAF aircraft with his golf clubs and standing up to
the threats we face. To even have to ask this
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question in Australia, well, that's the answer, isn't it. Look Also,
today some cracks in the government's constant invocation of Medicare
Albanese's green plastic card stunt that he thinks will fool
you while he's not fooling the GPS in a shop move.
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Today doctors' groups have gone public. They're warning voters that
Labour's extra funding will not stop patients having to make
co payments out of their own pocket, despite that being
Labour's clear inference. The facts are that bulk billing rates
were almost ten percentage points higher under the Morrison government
than under this Labor government. Now it is a fact
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that Medicare bulk billing has got worse under Anthony Albanezi.
Labour talks a big game on health, but it does
not necessarily deliver even with mammoth extra funding. The reason
bulk billing rates have fallen is due to a long
term freeze on GP rebates, which neither side is willing
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to fix. That teals and they say they want integrity
in our public life, but they practice watched a preach.
First there was the theft of Liberal posters by the
husband of Ku Yong teal Manick Ryan. Then Ryan had
this train wreck of an interview on Sunday, refusing to
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call out social media cash for comment the use of
paid influences to sprook the Teal candidates.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
Should it be clear to voters people who are looking
at this content that it's paid for by the politician.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't want to have an opinion on it, really.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
You don't think You don't think voters deserve to know
that if someone they're watching is saying great things about
a politician, whether they're being paid by that politician.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I have to go to some thought. It's not something
I've given great thought to myself.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
You'd have to give that some thought. Well, Uh, I
would think that it would be clear.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I think I'd have to give you some thought. Done
today Couyong's campaign Karen, Well, she struck again with a
cou Youong Teal. Kindly call me doctor Meneigu Ryan caught
out in more hypocrisy. Now, just take a look at this.
Leaked scripts from the polster's u com show that the
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Teals are push polling voters. That's right, polling people in
a way that's designed to manipulate their vote. And here's
how the Couyong camp is doing this with a series
of text messages that someone I know well inside that
seat set me today. So let's have a look. First up,
voters are questioned whether they would be quote more likely
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to vote for the Liberal Party for distanced itself from
the National Party and the extreme agenda of MPs like
Barnaby Joyce and Matt Canavan who opposed taking action on
climate change and wait for this, want to roll back
abortion rights. Another question asks voters to agree or disagree
that quote the Liberal Party have failed to release any
detailed policies which address the challenges faced by everyday Australians.
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Another question bit of a preamble here, quote Ryan has
doctor Ryan. That's not in there?
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Doctor Ryan has successfully pressured the government to reduce hex
debts for more than three million Australians, make changes to
the Stage three tax cuts and cut the cost of
prescription medicine. Now the Tales are supporter and by cashed
up vested interests and are practicing the worst sort of
manipulative dirty politics you want to talk about American politics
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infecting our democracy or push polling? Is it hypocrisy? Thy
name is Teal And finally, a welcome spotlight today on
the labor organization, the front that's responsible for the answer stantiated,
fanciful claim that the coalition's nuclear policy will cost some
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six hundred billion dollars. The PM has claimed again and
again that going nuclear will cost six hundred billion.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
The private sector can already see that nuclear doesn't stack
up here, which is why the Liberals will send the bill,
all six hundred billion dollars of it, to the people
of Australia.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And that big lie is a feature of almost all
the rubbish that labors jamming into your mailbox. Yet the
claim is based on publicly released modeling or a costing
from Treasury. It comes from the Smart Energy Council. Now
that's not a think tank but a renewable energy lobby
group stacked choc, a bloc with ex labor politicians and staffers,
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and as climber two hundred Simon Holmes a court as
a key advisor. Today the Australian newspaper also reports and
some of the Smart Energy Council sponsors a China. These
solar panel manufacturers who've been accused of using Weiger slave labor,
so much so that they are blacklisted in the United States.
Now I cover this in my column in The Australian tomorrow,
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but today the paper named four Smart Energy Council backers
as under suspicion of using forced labor. I make no mistake.
The only renewable energy superpower is China because it makes
almost all of the solar panels and wind turbines. But
the omnezy government wants to make us dependent upon These
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are huge pollution vehicles, lots and lots of issues associated
with solar panel production and cleaner and huge environmental issues
too with the forests of wind turbines that are coming
our way on prime land or in our national parks.
Plus they tie us more closely than ever to China,
who doesn't just want to us to buy their products,
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but wants to take us over. Now, honestly, are we
really this stupid? Sometimes? I got a wonder.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Both leaders have suspended their campaigns tonight, prepped away themselves
this afternoon for the second debate tonight on the ABSC
But a busy morning. So for the latest on the
Anthony Albanese campaign, political reporter Cam Reddin has filed this report.
Speaker 10 (11:25):
The Prime Minister is here at a housing construction site
in Melbourne, but it's an interaction inside his hotel lobby
that sparked the latest security concern. There are hundreds of
thousands of Australians around the country who are unable to
afford housing. And I have a question for you, mister Albanzi,
when are you going to put Australians first? Two men
confronting Anthony Albanesi over immigration, Holbo, how do you feel
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about the rise of immigration?
Speaker 9 (11:51):
Mate?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Do you think it's fair?
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Do you think it's One of the men's social media
page shows him holding various weapons, including a rocket launcher.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I have faith in the AFP. As I've said before,
I have no intention of going into security discussions.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
Labour is spooking its social housing accelerator in the Victorian
seat of Deacon. It's Melbourne's most marginal electorate, held by
shadow Housing Minister Michael Suker on a margin under zero
point one percent. On health, Australia's top medical body is
challenging Labour's claim that all you need to see a
doctor is your Medicare card. The AMA argues that might
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be true for urgent care clinics, but believes it sets
an unrealistic expectation for regular GP visits. From here in Melbourne,
it's off to Sydney where the Prime Minister will prepare
for the second debate of this campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
All right, let's go now to the Peter Dutton campaign
team for the latest from Reuben Spargo.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
This is Peter Dutton's second visit to Aston this campaign.
It's held by Labor by a margin of three point
six percent. While selling its housing plan, the COLI is
also attempting to build support in this seat. The Opposition
leader was flanked by the local candidate in Eastern Melbourne.
Their latest housing policy comes at a cost of one
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point two five billion dollars verst time buyers would be
able to deduct mortgage payments from income taxes. It's the
third housing visit in three days.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
We want to increase supply. We want to stop the
Big Australia policy which has led to the demand for housing,
which has locked a lot of young Australians out. We're
going to make sure that we can cut migration so
that we can support ossie kids into homes and I
would have been the Prime Minister to provide that dream again.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
The Opposition leader has also unvoiled funding for the Alana
and Madelin Foundation as part of the coalition's push to
enhance protections for children online. Peter Darson is now flying
to Sydney. New South Wales is the most critical state
for his prospective path to power. Its target rich with
several seat pickups.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well, let's get into some other issues, because if you
think Peter Dalton only has to find labor in this
election campaign, think again. Just listen to this exchange today
with Prescalory journalist Olivia Ireland from the Melbourne newspaper The Age.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
During your campaign launch, your National's leader spoke extensively about
how much of a man you were. Your deputy opposition
leader spoke and gave ode to the boys in Blue
and the traadees. You talk about mining, construction, agriculture and
energy being the four killers of the economy. In your
own campaign launch speech you mentioned women twice and that
was in relation to how you protect them from domestic
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violence and crime. A lot of your campaign has been
at petrol stations, You've been in trucks. You when you
speak to about female dominated industries like education, you talk
about the work agenda. What are you offering modern working women.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I'm offering them a chance to get a home.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That applies to both homeless.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Homeless women at the moment are at a record level
under this government. Someone, so let me say, for homeless
women who have suffered under this government, we have a
better pathway forward.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That is so embarrassing, isn't it. You've got to be kidding.
So putting petrol in our cars now has nothing to
do with women, Johnny mean now skyn your senior reporter
Carolin Marcus shares a woman national Affairs and it turns
out in Telegraph sky on news host James Morrow. So
I'll tell you what, Caroline, if I don't put petrol
or diesel in my case, in my car, it doesn't
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start if you listen to these Dutton press pack haters.
Yet again, we've got a coalition bloke with a wife
and a daughter. He's got a female deputy and someone
who's fought his entire working life to do better by women. Well,
apparently he hates all of us that we don't drive cars.
Might add I can drive a truck and a tractor
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and a motorbike, but I mustn't be a woman. We've
got to call this crap out. We have got to
call this crap out.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I'll tell you one next time I take my car
to the petrol station, Peter, I'm going to say to
the petrol station attendant, but.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'm a woman, I'm wearing a dress.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I don't have to pay for this petrol, do I.
I mean, it's a very old fashioned sexist idea to
suggest women don't care about the cost of petrols, that
we don't drive cars, maybe only our husbands can drive
the cars. In fact, it's a pretty offensive and sexist
concept to suggest that women need pretty pink policies wrapped
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up in a sparkly boat for us to be able
to vote for. We care about the same sorts of things.
The fuel like size is going to impact us, housing's
going to impact us. As Peter Dunn pointed out, women
all the women being disproportionately affected by homelessness. So, I mean,
it was an incredibly loaded question and embarrassing one. I
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agree with you, and just something that most women just
it wouldn't occur to us that we need our own
special policies. I mean, I said that the work from
home policy probably that the Coalition backflipped on recently, would
have probably disproportionately impacted women who need those flexible hours
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in some cases to pick up kids and drop kids
off at school. But other than that, I just I
don't really buy what she's trying to argue here.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Now. And we don't work from home, you and I,
but we can still negotiate with our employee to be
flexible as needed. You've got two little kids, you managed
to hold out. You a job where you've got to
turn up meet a deadline. And this is the factor
of a modern workplace. But these sorts of I mean,
that was a Saudi Arabian sort of question, and I
think it would even be embarrassing in Saudi Arabia for
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the age journalists to have plump that up to a politician.
Let's go to the push polling, James. I've exposed that
tonight's coming out of the seat of Kuyong. They are
the questions that were put two voters in that seat.
I know the vote as well. They flip them into me.
But the tales say, you know, we're all about integrity.
This is not integrity. This is push polling, and this
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is about as low as it gets.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Well. And it also, Peter, I think, really shows a
real desperation here. You know, these seats. There's been a
lot of talk about Cuyong flipping back to the liberals.
There's been a lot talking about Goldstein flipping back to
the liberals. This is the sort of behavior of a campaign.
You know, forget all the stuff that, hey, we're going
to do politics differently, because of course, anybody who says
you're going to do politics differently is almost assuredly going
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to wind up doing some of the most grubbyous stuff
you can imagine. It's always a distraction, it's always projection.
You know, they're always guilty of. This is the things
that they accuse everybody else of. But this is the
sort of thing that you can see the questions on
the screen. It's such a manipulative script. It is psychologically manipulative. Now,
you know, the voters in these areas I think are
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going to be pretty sophisticated customers when it comes to
this sort of thing. I think, Peter, you know, my
reaction is that you're reporting on this as well as
I think the fact that people will be talking about this,
you know, around the cafes, around those neighborhoods, and you know,
just you know, among their friends and neighbors will be
saying you know, this is this is not making me
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want to vote for these people at all. It makes
me understand exactly what they're all about. It's about, you know,
political grandstanding. It's about trying to make yourself look pure
and holy when you are not. And so I think
that this is going to become a massive own goal
for the people behind these.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
She's had a chockra of a campaign, Cuyong's campaign, Karen,
I call her, and it's not getting any better. Let's
go to the revelations today and the shock entry into
the campaign from the doctors. Groups. We don't often see these, Caroline.
We get sort of the unionized at nurses and others
that weigh in and push live as Barrow usually in
election campaigns, but we rarely hear for them doctors. They're
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clearly not going to sit by and watch the PM
spin this lie that all you need is your Medicare
card in order to get free access to a doctor.
Just haven't listened to what the head of the AMA
had to say a little earlier.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
It's not all about money. It's also about the structure
underlying these things and making sure that all Australians have
access to reasonable Medicare rebates and so then we can
really target our billing incentives at those Australians who do
need it most.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Caroline, what do you think, well, I mean, it's clear
that the Medicare card has become Alban is his favorite
prop this campaign. If he pulls it out one more time,
in fact, if we started some sort of drinking game
where we had to take a shot every time he
pulls out that blooding Medicare card, we'd end up at
one of these urgent care clinics that he's been sprooking,
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because we'd be so paralytic. The thing is that it's
very easy Labor to engage in this kind of medi scare.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Campaign and they are so good at it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And I tell you what, Peter, talking to people on
the streets as I've been doing this last these last
few weeks in some key seats, it does seem to
work with some voters. They're scared that the Coalition would
wind back the the benefits that they get on Medicare.
They believe it. Even though the Coalition has said we
will spend as much as labor on the on these
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we want, we won't wind back the number of urgent
care clinics, we're not going to repeal any you know,
spending on Medicare. It still gets through to some voters
and a lot of voters that this is this is
the key difference between them. But this is just being
dishonest with the public, because, as the doctors have warned,
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the idea that people will just turn up to their
clinic and think that they're going to get a free
appointment without having to pay any sort of gap is
just a furfee. A lot of doctors say it's not
possible that the incentives that the government is offering are
not great enough for them to be able to do this.
It's not going to make them financially viable. And the
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urgent care clinics that the government is spooking have not
reduced waiting times in hospitals as the government keeps saying
that they are. In research that came out only the
night before the election, the findings came out the night before,
essentially they were buried, found that that while there were
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a number of visits, quite a number of visits avoided
to emergency departments, it didn't lead to less waiting times overall.
And we could and they couldn't say it led to
less visits over all to the emergency departments. Instead, they're
costing tax payers five times the amount per visit than
it would for the patient to go to a GP clinic.
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So I think we really need to be very skeptical
and voters need to be very cynical when they hear
Labor making these sorts of promises because in many cases
they just aren't true.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And look, I will underscore point I made earlier. It's
rare that you see a doctor's lobby group enter a
political campaign. They are risk adverse, they do not naturally
enter the fray. But clearly they've decided enough's enough today.
So Australian voter has been warned. James. I'm going to
put on screen right now all the seats the PM's
visited at least once in this campaign, and then all
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the seats that Peter Dutton has visited, because this is
really interesting. What's clear from that list the PMS focused
on labor seats, sambagging what he has, while the coalition's
going after labor seats as well as Green's seats in
Queensland and seats held by the Teals. Now, what this
says to me is that the private party polling coming
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into the Libs and coming into Labor says that these
are in play or that these are in trouble. And
that's very different than what the published poles are saying.
If Labor was truly ahead by virtue of what the
published polls, the public polls are telling us, they wouldn't
be visiting half of these seats. So this tells me
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their internal polling says, by god, it's close.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
Yeah, And I think it's pretty interesting there just looking
at some of the some of the seats that have
come through. You know, you see Fowler there on the screen,
Peter Dunton and Anthony Albansi they have both visited that,
which is really interest interesting because that's helped by Dilie
the Independent, you know, who famously knocked Christina Kannely out
of the race the last time around, one of the
big wins of the coalition. But some of the other
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seats are very interesting, you know. I see that Anthony
Albanisi has been to booth Be a number of times,
which is interesting because he had it at the start
of the campaign. Visited South Australia really at all, and
that's a seat that's going to be very very key
for the Coalition and their hopes there, you know, to
getting Nicole Flint back into the parliament there. It's interesting
seeing Paramatta there and what this kind of confirms to
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me or it suggests that some of the things that
I've been hearing from my own sources, and you know,
you may have heard something similar to Peter, which is
that you know, the Coalition is saying the two party
preferred vote that we're seeing out there is actually not
really an accurate way to focus on this campaign and
the results, because what's happening here is that the outer
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seats out of Sydney and outer suburban seats in Sydney
and Melbourne, you know, they're seeing a lot of promising
signs in some of those places, and that would indicate
why both sides are really going and fighting in some
of those areas.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, on the ground, it's coming down to very localized campaigning. Again.
This was like very much it was for Turning Abbit
in twenty ten, absolutely very similar and what I'm told
happened in twenty nineteen with Scott Morrison. It's sort of
the reverse here of twenty nineteen for Labor when Bill
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Shorten lost down Losable, But we'll see, We'll say I
want to track them next week. We'll come back to
that when I see you next Wednesday. Thank you to
you both all. Right after the break, a war of
words erupts over who knew what when in relation to
Russia's pushed into Indonesia. So what exactly is going on here?
Greg Sheridan with Moore, plus the growing concern over labor
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linked climate charity with ties to groups that have been
blacklisted in the US over their links to slavery. Not
only do I think the PM's already planning is winning
on the lawns of Kirabilly house. You worked out the
menu when the champagne is going to serve, but he's
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already drawing up the list of the haves and have nots.
When it comes to his new cabinet, Tanya Plebi sec
which she's out in the cold. Others he's saying they'll
be back, they'll be in the jobs in now. I'd
have to say, Prime Minister, be very careful with Hubris.
Let's go though to the other big story out of
Indonesia involving Russia. Those reports circling yesterday that Indonesia was
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considering letting Russia host an airbase on its soil. Defends
Minister Richard Mars was quick to quash the reports. But
today Labor is accusing Peter Dutton of jumping the gun.
Peter Dutton is drawing inspiration from one president while seeking
to put words in the mouth of another.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
What we saw from Peter Dutton yesterday was an extraordinary overreach.
He verbaled the President of Indonesia, Peter Dutton, is.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Really too agro and too reckless to the Australia's Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Agro from a mean girl. Peter Dutt, though hits back.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
The reference I made was obviously to what is a
very credible military website, and that talked about government sources
and of the proboo government sources. Now, the fact is
that when you have a foreign minister and a defense
minister and a Prime minister finding out about decisions from
our friends and from countries abroad, when they find out
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about that on CNN or on Fox or whatever it is,
you know that this government is not up to it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Jentlemen, I had to discuss this and more. Foreign editor
at The Australian greeg Sheridan Well Greg Unpack this for us.
What do you think we're not being told?
Speaker 13 (28:17):
Well, Peter, it's great to be with you. Look, I
think both Alberaneesi and Dutton have both performed poorly on this.
But this is a very serious story for Australia. Proboo
Subiando is different from his predecessor to Cooe, and very
different from his predecessor Secilia bembak Udiano, who was a
great friend of Australia. Proboo went to Russia after he
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was elected, but before he was inaugurated. Russia is the
biggest supplier of military equipment to Indonesia. The Opposition is
right to insist on a proper intelligence briefing on this,
and such a briefing would show there is very intense
engagement between Russia and Indonesia. There's no chance Indonesia will
allow any foreign country to have a fully owned foreign
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base in their country. But we in Australia are very
smart ourselves at calling foreign bases something else. And I
am not one bit reassured by the bland statements from
Richard Marles and Anthony Alberanzi that there's nothing to see here,
and basically you never hear them mention Indonesia anyway from
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one month to the next. I think our position in
Indonesia is pretty anemic, and I'm sure there's a lot
of stuff going on with Russia, and I wouldn't be
surprised if military cooperation between those two nations intensified much
to our detriment.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
What do we read into the fact that Indonesia's joined
the Brick.
Speaker 13 (29:44):
Nations, Well, you know, our good friend India is a
member of the Bricks as well. India and Indonesia both
are strategically promiscuous. They're both swing states. I mean, India
has a much bigger beef with China than Indonesia has,
so that puts it sort of on our side to
some extent. But Indonesia is not sympathetic to the United
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States at the moment, and I think it's been that
way for quite a long time. But the situation is
not helped by Trump threatening to impose unbelievably punitive tariffs
on Indonesia. That just makes the US less popular in
Indonesia than it is already. Praboo wants to be a
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foreign policy president, but a lot of his instincts are
all over the shop. He'll sign a strategic partnership with Australia,
but sign up to bricks and Bricks is designed really
to constrain America. At the same time, Proboo put out
a piece for Ukraine Plan, which was basically a Russian
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plan some time ago when he was the Defense minister.
Indonesia is very tricky and you'd remember, Peter from your
time in government. Was a lot of attention all the time,
not because we love it or don't, but because it's
so important to us.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Let's go to revelations out of the United Kingdom that
less than a month before the UK government was forced
to intervene to save British Steel, which has happened in
the last week, Downing Street had actually backed Chinese investment
in key parts of the nation's critical infrastructure. According to
The Times newspaper, Britain's Energy secretary signed agreement which promised
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close cooperation with Beijing. Now we know how hard it
was to put pressure Australia did and others on the
United Kingdom at the time to avoid going down the
Huawei path with their five gene network. I find these
revelations extraordinary.
Speaker 13 (31:47):
Greg, Yeah, I mean the truth is the UK is
a bit of a mess. In relation to China policy,
and all of its bad policies are coming home together.
So it has imposed, like Australia, massively unnecessary, massively high
energy costs, and it's therefore pretty hard to run a
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profitable steel industry. The Chinese own this steel plant and
we're going to shut it down. So Chinese investment wasn't
a savior for the steel industry. Now the British government
has taken control of it, but won't fully nationalize it
because that would cost billions of pounds. And then they
wanted to operate on so called green energy, which is
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going to cost billions and billions of pounds. And if
they don't do this, they'll be the only G seven
country without any capacity to make any steel at all.
So they've looked as China as the savior. That's very dumb.
They've imposed massive energy costs on themselves, which makes it very,
very difficult to run a steel industry, and so what
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can they do. They can nationalize it or just go
out of business, and neither of those is a good choice.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Greg, just quickly, I'm almost out of time. We can't
leave the story of the missing defense policies. You've got
Peter Lay, former Chief of Army, out there today calling
the politicians clowns. You know, basically, how can we not
be boosting our defense spending above the two percent of GDP?
Community wants it much higher than that, of course, but yes,
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let's talk about the coalition. Where's Andrew Hasty? Where's the policy?
I've been tired, has been coming for weeks, I haven't
seen it. What about labor too, though, I mean they're
just as bad.
Speaker 13 (33:35):
Oh, they're much worse.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
They're terrible.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
I mean, I'm criticizing the opposition for not giving us
a better alternative, but labor deserves to lose the election
for its defense record. I mean, they haven't increased defense
spending as a percentage of GDP. Almost alone amongst Western countries,
we spend lower than the OECD average. Yet we have
no allies nearby. Trump has, you know, is a big
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question mark over American security guarantees. Meanwhile, the Chinese are
sending gunships to humiliate us. The Russians are seeking bases
in our regions, so are the Chinese, and we're doing nothing.
The Albanese government's record is appalling. It's spending more money
on nuclear subs and no money on the rest of
our defense. But at the same time, how is it
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that the Liberals haven't released a defense policy yet, haven't
committed to spend more money themselves, and apparently have poor
old Andrew Hasty, the so called defense spokesman, in hiding
or witness protection or something, and won't let him out
to speak even on this latest matter. Why didn't we
hear about Andrew Hasty on this Russian base in Indonesia.
Something weird is happening in Dutton's opposition and it doesn't
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fill me with much confidence.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
All over there, Greg, Hopefully we'll have a defense policy
next week to talk about. That's got some other issues
are labeling to climate charity so called charity, and the
fire accus you're taking cash or clean energy firms blacklisted
at the US of affears of slave labor. Now remember
this name. It's called the Smart Energy Council, It's backed
by high profile climate Activissimon Holmes a court, and it's
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now facing questions that be links to a controversial Chinese
company at the center of forced labor allegations. Now this
is the same so called charity behind the explosive six
hundred billion dollar claim that has attacked the opposition's nuclear
energy plan. This is the body that says ecostics hundred
billion dollars a figure that the pm US is like
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a weapon, but that hasn't had any modeling attached to it,
hasn't had any independent analysis, and there's no detailed report
out publicly that we can assess. It's an organization of stooges.
Let's bring in associate editor at The Australian, Graham Lloyd.
You know, we could talk all night about the Smart
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Energy Council. It's not that smart and if you look
into it. I'm writing about this in your paper tomorrow.
I mean it is an organization full of lefty climate activists.
But if you look at the big claimate made in
relation to the nuclear policy of the coalition, which is
everywhere in Labour's campaign material, it just doesn't stack up.
Speaker 14 (36:19):
That's try good ding, Peter. This is a marriage of
the extreme advocates for net zero and the money that's
behind it, and they are responsible for the six hundred
billion dollar figure that's being weaponized by Labor. They put
out a single report saying well, they've done a bit
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of research and the cost is anywhere between one hundred
and fifteen billion dollars at the CSIRO says, and their
estimate of six hundred billion, which is if everything goes wrong,
and it's the first time that's ever been done, so
they lent on the six hundred billion dollar figure when
they release the report, and it's been hammered by the
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government ever since. You drill down into it, it's a
very rubbery figure and it certainly doesn't send anything incredible
at all.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
And you look at their funding source. Graham meant to
become a member of the Smart Energy Council, it costs
upwards of fifty thousand dollars, so they're raking in the money.
And Sarah Isisen's terrific work today in Australian reveals that
some of the money coming in is from a whole
lot of Chinese manufacturers for solar and wind. No wonder
they want to support our climate push here in Australia
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because they're making billions from us. But if you look
into to where they get the labor to make all
the stuff that's going to be peppering around our beautiful
coastline and in our national parks, it comes from Weiger
forced labor, so slave camps. I mean, surely this has
got to then end any chance this organization can hold
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charitable status.
Speaker 14 (37:56):
Yes, it is quite outrageous. It's sort of well known
own that the whole renewable energy business, whether it's the
magnets for wind turbines or solar panels or other things,
relies very heavily on exploiting the world's poorest and most
disadvantaged people. In China, that exploitation is a wig is
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at the point of a gun. But that hasn't stopped
the companies sort of importing their materials or in the
case of the Smart Energy Council, taking their money to
give them an entree into the political system here and
further their market in this place. So it's highly immoral
on every front, and it's something that should be called out.
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Whether it's the destruction of the rainforest up in Indonesia
for nickel or the young African children that have to
find cobalt and other things. There is a very very
high environmental price that's paid for what's been promised as
a utopian future.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
None of it's renewable, None of it is renewable ollive.
There Graanlloyd, thank you out of the break, protect the
environment all costs. Well, wait till I tell you more
about what's happening to the North of Australia. Plus Trump
has frozen funding for one big university. Do we need
to follow his lead? That's after the break. Welcome, Welcome back, Keldrich,
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it's coming out. But tonight I want to show you
some frankly pretty shocking images of what we're seeing happening
in our state forests in the name of renewable energy.
Now I want to bring in my panel to discuss
this Page Research Center Chief Executive Gerald Holland and Shotow
Environment Minister Jonathan Dunneyam gents, welcome, let's get your thoughts
so on these photos, exclusive photos that have been given
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to me tonight. The show the extent of the destruction
in our national forests in the name of renewables. Now,
this is land cleared for wind turbines on the Great
Dividing Range. The person who said me the images I
want to remain anonymous. I don't blame them, but they're
very concerned about a natie fauna. We're talking about koalas,
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gliders and native birds here, of course, including the wedgetail eagle. Now,
if this was any other project, the environmentalists would be
absolutely losing it. Senator Dunium, this is a huge issue,
but not one that's being discussed in the campaign. I
mean tonight at the ABC debate there are protesters full gaza,
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you know, pro Palestinian protesters. Where are the protesters about
this degradation of our state forests?
Speaker 15 (40:39):
Well, Peter, it's hypocrisy with a capital H. Frankly, I
mean the people that are saying, yes, go ahead and
desecrate these last vast tracts of wilderness in the name
of renewable energy, because of course that is the sacred cow.
Here are the same people who said, no, we will
not have a billion dollar gold mine that will bring
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a hundred jobs to regional Australia and generate all these
royalties for health and schools, et cetera. And the difference is,
as you say, it's all about renewable energy. We've got
a job ahead of us to make sure people understand
what cost is attached to this. It is not a
clean energy source, not like they describing your images there
and whoever sent them through, very brave of them to
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do so. That is the truth that we need to
get out there and it's been hidden away for too
long by the activists.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Just quickly, John, I thought when people joined the Greens
all those years ago, coming out of Tasmania where you live,
it was a very very different party. It was a
party of the environment, that is not a pro environment
move and the biggest people champing renewables are the Greens.
So people who voted the Greens, I think that they
are the party of the Koala. They're not.
Speaker 13 (41:53):
Now.
Speaker 15 (41:53):
They've moved a long way from that. They are communists
and they'll find whatever issue it is that they can
latch onto to generate donations and membership and headlines. The
environment is just a thing they latch onto from time
to time, and your photos there just proved that again.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Well, let's go to something that's just broken this afternoon.
The Fair Work Commission has recommended pay rises of up
to thirty percent for hundreds of thousands of low paid
workers and female dominated sectors. We're talking here about childcare
and aged care, Jared. What really worries me here is
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childcare centers, age care centers. They are all private, profit
making businesses. They're not government entities. Yet in the past,
under labor the government has topped up with taxpayer funds
the salaries of these individuals. Now, if you're talking about
a thirty percent pay rise to all of these people
in these sectors, that means childcare fees are going to
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go up, that means age care is going to go up.
But it means the poor old taxpayer is on the
hook for tens of billions of dollars while the people
who run these companies and make the profits, they're not
paying their workers what the Fair Worker at Fair Work
Commission says is due.
Speaker 16 (43:09):
We are exactly right, Peter. I mean, from the get go,
I think I would reject the Fair Work Commission's findings
that these are low paid sectors because they're female dominated.
I mean, care work is some of the most fundamental
work that you can do, especially the beginning end of life.
You're talking about the most vulnerable people in our society
and should be honorable and dignified. But we've spent decades
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now and generations sort of demonizing care work, particularly in
the home, and forcing this kind of work into institutions
where we've undervalued it with low skilled migrant labor. At
the same time, we aren't supporting families who want to
be at home with their kids. We punish single earner
families who are trying to do things differently. We don't
own we don't offer any tax incentives to trying to
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help young families out. And so it corrects this conveyor
belt where parents feel forced to put their kids into
institutional care and forced to pay these ever increasing fees
as the system is not able to support the weight
of an entire generation now of families who see no
other option.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Here and Jared, if you look after your aging mom
at home, you don't get a pay rise, you don't
get paid at all. If you're looking out to your
own children at home, you don't get a dollar. You
have to put them into unionized care in order for
the money to flow. I think that's wrong.
Speaker 16 (44:23):
I couldn't agree more. It's a row. And you know,
I've got young kids. We've got a lot of families
our age who who want to be spending more time
at home. They want to be raising their kids themselves,
or at least not spending as much time in institutional
care as they are. But they feel wedged. The cost
of living is too high. They can't afford a house.
We've created an economic system and structure which is pushing
more people in. And if you look at what labor
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is proposing, all of the family support is just funneling
more kids into childcare. And it's an entire way of
thinking about the system that I think we need to
really rethink as a society.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
John, And let's expose what's going on your state of
Tasmania around Tassel. I love their products. I'm not paid
to say that. I just love their salmon. I love
tasmani and salmon. But the Tassel is being bullied by
the banks or sorry that the banks are being bullied
by activists not to give business loans to Tassel. What's
going on here?
Speaker 15 (45:17):
Well, this is I think it might be page twenty
seven of the Green Activist playbook. You know, go and
bully a bank into withdrawing finance from an industry. I mean,
the last time we saw this. And you've got the
usual suspects. You've got noted fiction author Richard Flanagan. You've
got Jeffrey Cousins, who, of course you might remember, who
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pulled the very same trick when it came to the
pulp mill in Tasmania. He bullied a and z Into
with drawing funding. And then of course occasionally they'll rope
in a said celebrity like C grade actor Leonardo DiCaprio
to tell us how bad the industry is. All of
it is the same pattern. It was forestry, it's now salmon.
It'll be mining next. This is what they do. And again,
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I just hope there some evidence out today. I might say, Peter,
you're not the only one who likes tassel on human
and patuna salmon. Record numbers of amounts of salmon are
being sold in Australian supermarkets and being exported. So the
Green's efforts are really all for nought.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So if you want to support the salmon industry and
hate the Greens, be like me and by the salmon
from Tasmania just quickly Harvard, because they're not dancing to
the President's tune because he wants them to reject the
woke and they're going to have their funding frozen Jared.
Speaker 16 (46:31):
Well with federal funding comme Civic responsibility, and America has
really been leading the way on this, not just in education,
but if you look at their banking system and the
way that they will break their pensions, and they say
if you're engaging in ESG or activist kind of activities,
that is punishing certain providers for providing oil or gas,
or coal or steel, whatever it might be. No more
government funds. We're not going to use you anymore. And
actually it's not just our university sector we should be
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approached this way, but we should be looking at our banks,
we should be looking at our super funds and saying
all Australis should be treated equally, All into trees should
be treated equally, especially our primary industries. It provides so
much value to our economy. And if you're not going
to play ball, if you're going to punish citizens and
play favorites, then the funding gets cut off. We don't
use you anymore.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And if you want to reduce our freedoms, that's also
a problem. Thank you, Jens. All right, quick break out
of the rate. We have got a terrific list of
words from you tonight to get through with Kel Virich's
you know they caught me putting my nippy on there
in the break. All right, let's bring in my good friend,
as he does every Wednesday, comes on to give us
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the words of the week, Kel Richards. Kel, great to
have you here. We've got some topical words, a great
list from our viewers. The first one is Ponzi scheme.
Now we use this a lot. Surge wants to know
where the term comes from and what it means.
Speaker 17 (47:48):
Comes from Charles Ponzi. Charles was a con man in
America around about nineteen twenty, and he ran a scheme
like this. It wasn't the first to run it, but
his name has become attached to it. And it's the
kind of con scheme in which the early investors are
paid from the new investments coming in from new investors.
So it's a kind of circular scheme. It never actually
makes any money. It never never makes a profit until
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it collapses and presumably the man who set it up
flees in time. A Ponzi scheme works in that circular way.
It's now applied figuratively to some government actions. So any
government action which will pump up the economy in a
temporary sort of way but will delay a long way
down the track, any costs or commitments that come from that,
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like immigration, like Australia's record immigration exactly, that's our Ponzi scheme.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, I probably grew up thinking of it in terms
of the old Pyramids selling model. But I think that's
been displaced by the term Ponzi scheme. We've brought that
over from New York in particular. Hey, we are certainly
going through an Indian summer in Victoria. I don't know
about New South Wales. But Diane wants to know where
does the term Indian summer come from.
Speaker 17 (49:00):
Well, as you know, I mean, it means unseasonal warm weather,
and the idea is it can't be trusted. It's a
deceptive sort of sign that we're going to get nice
warm weather because it goes away again. It seems to
have come from the Yes, well, it does eventually disappear
early eighteen hundreds of America. And according to the Morrises,
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who are expert American Americans, they say early American colonist
colonists use the word Indian to mean unreliable, which is
a terrible thing, but that's what they said. Hence an
Indian summer is an unreliable summer. It's about to end.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
No, I don't think I'll use it again. I don't
think that's particularly nice. I thought it might have had
a you know, a more meteorological term in that there
not anyway, all right, we'll get to the rest of
the words for next week. Thanks Cal. That's it for me.
See tomorrow night at six, here's Andrew
Peter Krendland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program. Huge show coming up tonight.
Let's get straight to it. I'm going to exclusively reveal
here in a moment some push polling happening right now
in the seat of Couyong. Now, this is a real
insight into just how the Manique Ryan team is skewing
a campaign. You know, Labour's medicare claims are dubious when
GPS and medical bodies have gone public. They're more than
(00:30):
happy to take the billions being doled out, but they
say we've got a big problem. So much for the
PM's campaign centering around medicare. Is he going to get
some tough questions now? Plus, the Labor Leaves Climate charity
actively campaigning against the coalition shocking revelations today they've received
thousands of money from so called clean energy companies that
(00:53):
have been blacklisted overseas over concerns regarding slave labor. And
a war of words is a on the campaign trail
over who knew what when when it comes to Russia's
push into our region.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He verbaled the President of Indonesia.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's obvious that Indonesia well as a matter of fact
that Indonesia has joined with Russia and with Brazil and
with other countries including China, they are closer together.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Now we're going to stay with that issue because the
increasingly dangerous outside world has just intruded on our election
campaign again. And this time it wasn't the lef's favorite monster,
Donald Trump, whom Anthony Albanezi likes to pretend is Peter
Dutton's political inspiration. This time it was Russia seeking a
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permanent base for its long range aircraft in Indonesia. Naturally,
Labor tried to make Peter Dutton the issue, not Vladimir Putin.
A government that's failed always tries to make it all
about the opposition, and a government that's gone missing on
national security issues always tries to find a spine during
a must win election.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Peter Dutton is really too agro and too reckless to
the Australia's Prime minister, because the most concerning thing about
yesterday was the fact that he was willing to fabricate
a statement by the President of Indonesia in order to
make a domestic political point.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Give it up, Penny. This is a government, your government
that's lied about power prices. It's made the cost of
living crisis worse. But there are a few worse failures
for a national government than national security ones. Now that's
where the Albanezer government's been completely passive today. Former Army
Chief General Peter Lay described our politicians as clowns, and
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so all the coalitions should have had its defense policy
out there weeks and weeks ago. But it's the Albenezy
government that's canceled orders for more planes, that's prematurely retired
navy frigates, that's disbanded the mind sweeping for and buried
retiring helicopters in the ground, if you can believe it,
rather than give them to Ukraine. When the Chinese navy
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deliberately injured our sailors, It failed to protest. When Chinese
warships who can navigated our waters and conducted unannounced unsafe
life fire XES exercises, no protest, and our labor is
pretending that Russian planes based on our doorstep would be
no big deal. Today the government stonewall questions about whether
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the Russians had made a formal request of the Indonesians
for a permanent base.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
This is not being well.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
My question was can you know about the request.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Get well, it's not clear what it's not clear what
you're assuming the Jane report is correct, and there is
no basis for you assuming that secondly, second, second.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
A request was never made. We know that for sure
that a request was not made. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I'm saying, I like diplomatically with our friends in Indonesia.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Watch out. The generalist had the taker berks about four
times smarter than the Prime Minister. Either that government does
not know, which would be a serious intelligence failure, or
it does know but won't say, which means it's basically
clueless on how to respond to the proliferation of threats
in our region. Now, who do you think would be
better to handle the rearmament Australia desperately needs. Former Defense
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Minister Peter Dutton or former student activist Albanesi as defense minister?
Who do you think former sas officer Andrew Hasty or
the current incumbent Richard Miles, known war for traveling on
RAF aircraft with his golf clubs and standing up to
the threats we face. To even have to ask this
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question in Australia, well, that's the answer, isn't it. Look Also,
today some cracks in the government's constant invocation of Medicare
Albanese's green plastic card stunt that he thinks will fool
you while he's not fooling the GPS in a shop move.
(05:15):
Today doctors' groups have gone public. They're warning voters that
Labour's extra funding will not stop patients having to make
co payments out of their own pocket, despite that being
Labour's clear inference. The facts are that bulk billing rates
were almost ten percentage points higher under the Morrison government
than under this Labor government. Now it is a fact
(05:37):
that Medicare bulk billing has got worse under Anthony Albanezi.
Labour talks a big game on health, but it does
not necessarily deliver even with mammoth extra funding. The reason
bulk billing rates have fallen is due to a long
term freeze on GP rebates, which neither side is willing
(05:58):
to fix. That teals and they say they want integrity
in our public life, but they practice watched a preach.
First there was the theft of Liberal posters by the
husband of Ku Yong teal Manick Ryan. Then Ryan had
this train wreck of an interview on Sunday, refusing to
(06:21):
call out social media cash for comment the use of
paid influences to sprook the Teal candidates.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
Should it be clear to voters people who are looking
at this content that it's paid for by the politician.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't want to have an opinion on it, really.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
You don't think You don't think voters deserve to know
that if someone they're watching is saying great things about
a politician, whether they're being paid by that politician.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I have to go to some thought. It's not something
I've given great thought to myself.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
You'd have to give that some thought. Well, Uh, I
would think that it would be clear.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I think I'd have to give you some thought. Done
today Couyong's campaign Karen, Well, she struck again with a
cou Youong Teal. Kindly call me doctor Meneigu Ryan caught
out in more hypocrisy. Now, just take a look at this.
Leaked scripts from the polster's u com show that the
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Teals are push polling voters. That's right, polling people in
a way that's designed to manipulate their vote. And here's
how the Couyong camp is doing this with a series
of text messages that someone I know well inside that
seat set me today. So let's have a look. First up,
voters are questioned whether they would be quote more likely
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to vote for the Liberal Party for distanced itself from
the National Party and the extreme agenda of MPs like
Barnaby Joyce and Matt Canavan who opposed taking action on
climate change and wait for this, want to roll back
abortion rights. Another question asks voters to agree or disagree
that quote the Liberal Party have failed to release any
detailed policies which address the challenges faced by everyday Australians.
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Another question bit of a preamble here, quote Ryan has
doctor Ryan. That's not in there?
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Doctor Ryan has successfully pressured the government to reduce hex
debts for more than three million Australians, make changes to
the Stage three tax cuts and cut the cost of
prescription medicine. Now the Tales are supporter and by cashed
up vested interests and are practicing the worst sort of
manipulative dirty politics you want to talk about American politics
(08:41):
infecting our democracy or push polling? Is it hypocrisy? Thy
name is Teal And finally, a welcome spotlight today on
the labor organization, the front that's responsible for the answer stantiated,
fanciful claim that the coalition's nuclear policy will cost some
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six hundred billion dollars. The PM has claimed again and
again that going nuclear will cost six hundred billion.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
The private sector can already see that nuclear doesn't stack
up here, which is why the Liberals will send the bill,
all six hundred billion dollars of it, to the people
of Australia.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And that big lie is a feature of almost all
the rubbish that labors jamming into your mailbox. Yet the
claim is based on publicly released modeling or a costing
from Treasury. It comes from the Smart Energy Council. Now
that's not a think tank but a renewable energy lobby
group stacked choc, a bloc with ex labor politicians and staffers,
(09:49):
and as climber two hundred Simon Holmes a court as
a key advisor. Today the Australian newspaper also reports and
some of the Smart Energy Council sponsors a China. These
solar panel manufacturers who've been accused of using Weiger slave labor,
so much so that they are blacklisted in the United States.
Now I cover this in my column in The Australian tomorrow,
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but today the paper named four Smart Energy Council backers
as under suspicion of using forced labor. I make no mistake.
The only renewable energy superpower is China because it makes
almost all of the solar panels and wind turbines. But
the omnezy government wants to make us dependent upon These
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are huge pollution vehicles, lots and lots of issues associated
with solar panel production and cleaner and huge environmental issues
too with the forests of wind turbines that are coming
our way on prime land or in our national parks.
Plus they tie us more closely than ever to China,
who doesn't just want to us to buy their products,
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but wants to take us over. Now, honestly, are we
really this stupid? Sometimes? I got a wonder.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Both leaders have suspended their campaigns tonight, prepped away themselves
this afternoon for the second debate tonight on the ABSC
But a busy morning. So for the latest on the
Anthony Albanese campaign, political reporter Cam Reddin has filed this report.
Speaker 10 (11:25):
The Prime Minister is here at a housing construction site
in Melbourne, but it's an interaction inside his hotel lobby
that sparked the latest security concern. There are hundreds of
thousands of Australians around the country who are unable to
afford housing. And I have a question for you, mister Albanzi,
when are you going to put Australians first? Two men
confronting Anthony Albanesi over immigration, Holbo, how do you feel
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about the rise of immigration?
Speaker 9 (11:51):
Mate?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Do you think it's fair?
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Do you think it's One of the men's social media
page shows him holding various weapons, including a rocket launcher.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I have faith in the AFP. As I've said before,
I have no intention of going into security discussions.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
Labour is spooking its social housing accelerator in the Victorian
seat of Deacon. It's Melbourne's most marginal electorate, held by
shadow Housing Minister Michael Suker on a margin under zero
point one percent. On health, Australia's top medical body is
challenging Labour's claim that all you need to see a
doctor is your Medicare card. The AMA argues that might
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be true for urgent care clinics, but believes it sets
an unrealistic expectation for regular GP visits. From here in Melbourne,
it's off to Sydney where the Prime Minister will prepare
for the second debate of this campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
All right, let's go now to the Peter Dutton campaign
team for the latest from Reuben Spargo.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
This is Peter Dutton's second visit to Aston this campaign.
It's held by Labor by a margin of three point
six percent. While selling its housing plan, the COLI is
also attempting to build support in this seat. The Opposition
leader was flanked by the local candidate in Eastern Melbourne.
Their latest housing policy comes at a cost of one
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point two five billion dollars verst time buyers would be
able to deduct mortgage payments from income taxes. It's the
third housing visit in three days.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
We want to increase supply. We want to stop the
Big Australia policy which has led to the demand for housing,
which has locked a lot of young Australians out. We're
going to make sure that we can cut migration so
that we can support ossie kids into homes and I
would have been the Prime Minister to provide that dream again.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
The Opposition leader has also unvoiled funding for the Alana
and Madelin Foundation as part of the coalition's push to
enhance protections for children online. Peter Darson is now flying
to Sydney. New South Wales is the most critical state
for his prospective path to power. Its target rich with
several seat pickups.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well, let's get into some other issues, because if you
think Peter Dalton only has to find labor in this
election campaign, think again. Just listen to this exchange today
with Prescalory journalist Olivia Ireland from the Melbourne newspaper The Age.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
During your campaign launch, your National's leader spoke extensively about
how much of a man you were. Your deputy opposition
leader spoke and gave ode to the boys in Blue
and the traadees. You talk about mining, construction, agriculture and
energy being the four killers of the economy. In your
own campaign launch speech you mentioned women twice and that
was in relation to how you protect them from domestic
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violence and crime. A lot of your campaign has been
at petrol stations, You've been in trucks. You when you
speak to about female dominated industries like education, you talk
about the work agenda. What are you offering modern working women.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I'm offering them a chance to get a home.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That applies to both homeless.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Homeless women at the moment are at a record level
under this government. Someone, so let me say, for homeless
women who have suffered under this government, we have a
better pathway forward.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That is so embarrassing, isn't it. You've got to be kidding.
So putting petrol in our cars now has nothing to
do with women, Johnny mean now skyn your senior reporter
Carolin Marcus shares a woman national Affairs and it turns
out in Telegraph sky on news host James Morrow. So
I'll tell you what, Caroline, if I don't put petrol
or diesel in my case, in my car, it doesn't
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start if you listen to these Dutton press pack haters.
Yet again, we've got a coalition bloke with a wife
and a daughter. He's got a female deputy and someone
who's fought his entire working life to do better by women. Well,
apparently he hates all of us that we don't drive cars.
Might add I can drive a truck and a tractor
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and a motorbike, but I mustn't be a woman. We've
got to call this crap out. We have got to
call this crap out.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I'll tell you one next time I take my car
to the petrol station, Peter, I'm going to say to
the petrol station attendant, but.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'm a woman, I'm wearing a dress.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I don't have to pay for this petrol, do I.
I mean, it's a very old fashioned sexist idea to
suggest women don't care about the cost of petrols, that
we don't drive cars, maybe only our husbands can drive
the cars. In fact, it's a pretty offensive and sexist
concept to suggest that women need pretty pink policies wrapped
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up in a sparkly boat for us to be able
to vote for. We care about the same sorts of things.
The fuel like size is going to impact us, housing's
going to impact us. As Peter Dunn pointed out, women
all the women being disproportionately affected by homelessness. So, I mean,
it was an incredibly loaded question and embarrassing one. I
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agree with you, and just something that most women just
it wouldn't occur to us that we need our own
special policies. I mean, I said that the work from
home policy probably that the Coalition backflipped on recently, would
have probably disproportionately impacted women who need those flexible hours
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in some cases to pick up kids and drop kids
off at school. But other than that, I just I
don't really buy what she's trying to argue here.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Now. And we don't work from home, you and I,
but we can still negotiate with our employee to be
flexible as needed. You've got two little kids, you managed
to hold out. You a job where you've got to
turn up meet a deadline. And this is the factor
of a modern workplace. But these sorts of I mean,
that was a Saudi Arabian sort of question, and I
think it would even be embarrassing in Saudi Arabia for
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the age journalists to have plump that up to a politician.
Let's go to the push polling, James. I've exposed that
tonight's coming out of the seat of Kuyong. They are
the questions that were put two voters in that seat.
I know the vote as well. They flip them into me.
But the tales say, you know, we're all about integrity.
This is not integrity. This is push polling, and this
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is about as low as it gets.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Well. And it also, Peter, I think, really shows a
real desperation here. You know, these seats. There's been a
lot of talk about Cuyong flipping back to the liberals.
There's been a lot talking about Goldstein flipping back to
the liberals. This is the sort of behavior of a campaign.
You know, forget all the stuff that, hey, we're going
to do politics differently, because of course, anybody who says
you're going to do politics differently is almost assuredly going
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to wind up doing some of the most grubbyous stuff
you can imagine. It's always a distraction, it's always projection.
You know, they're always guilty of. This is the things
that they accuse everybody else of. But this is the
sort of thing that you can see the questions on
the screen. It's such a manipulative script. It is psychologically manipulative. Now,
you know, the voters in these areas I think are
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going to be pretty sophisticated customers when it comes to
this sort of thing. I think, Peter, you know, my
reaction is that you're reporting on this as well as
I think the fact that people will be talking about this,
you know, around the cafes, around those neighborhoods, and you know,
just you know, among their friends and neighbors will be
saying you know, this is this is not making me
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want to vote for these people at all. It makes
me understand exactly what they're all about. It's about, you know,
political grandstanding. It's about trying to make yourself look pure
and holy when you are not. And so I think
that this is going to become a massive own goal
for the people behind these.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
She's had a chockra of a campaign, Cuyong's campaign, Karen,
I call her, and it's not getting any better. Let's
go to the revelations today and the shock entry into
the campaign from the doctors. Groups. We don't often see these, Caroline.
We get sort of the unionized at nurses and others
that weigh in and push live as Barrow usually in
election campaigns, but we rarely hear for them doctors. They're
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clearly not going to sit by and watch the PM
spin this lie that all you need is your Medicare
card in order to get free access to a doctor.
Just haven't listened to what the head of the AMA
had to say a little earlier.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
It's not all about money. It's also about the structure
underlying these things and making sure that all Australians have
access to reasonable Medicare rebates and so then we can
really target our billing incentives at those Australians who do
need it most.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Caroline, what do you think, well, I mean, it's clear
that the Medicare card has become Alban is his favorite
prop this campaign. If he pulls it out one more time,
in fact, if we started some sort of drinking game
where we had to take a shot every time he
pulls out that blooding Medicare card, we'd end up at
one of these urgent care clinics that he's been sprooking,
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because we'd be so paralytic. The thing is that it's
very easy Labor to engage in this kind of medi scare.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Campaign and they are so good at it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And I tell you what, Peter, talking to people on
the streets as I've been doing this last these last
few weeks in some key seats, it does seem to
work with some voters. They're scared that the Coalition would
wind back the the benefits that they get on Medicare.
They believe it. Even though the Coalition has said we
will spend as much as labor on the on these
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we want, we won't wind back the number of urgent
care clinics, we're not going to repeal any you know,
spending on Medicare. It still gets through to some voters
and a lot of voters that this is this is
the key difference between them. But this is just being
dishonest with the public, because, as the doctors have warned,
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the idea that people will just turn up to their
clinic and think that they're going to get a free
appointment without having to pay any sort of gap is
just a furfee. A lot of doctors say it's not
possible that the incentives that the government is offering are
not great enough for them to be able to do this.
It's not going to make them financially viable. And the
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urgent care clinics that the government is spooking have not
reduced waiting times in hospitals as the government keeps saying
that they are. In research that came out only the
night before the election, the findings came out the night before,
essentially they were buried, found that that while there were
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a number of visits, quite a number of visits avoided
to emergency departments, it didn't lead to less waiting times overall.
And we could and they couldn't say it led to
less visits over all to the emergency departments. Instead, they're
costing tax payers five times the amount per visit than
it would for the patient to go to a GP clinic.
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So I think we really need to be very skeptical
and voters need to be very cynical when they hear
Labor making these sorts of promises because in many cases
they just aren't true.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And look, I will underscore point I made earlier. It's
rare that you see a doctor's lobby group enter a
political campaign. They are risk adverse, they do not naturally
enter the fray. But clearly they've decided enough's enough today.
So Australian voter has been warned. James. I'm going to
put on screen right now all the seats the PM's
visited at least once in this campaign, and then all
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the seats that Peter Dutton has visited, because this is
really interesting. What's clear from that list the PMS focused
on labor seats, sambagging what he has, while the coalition's
going after labor seats as well as Green's seats in
Queensland and seats held by the Teals. Now, what this
says to me is that the private party polling coming
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into the Libs and coming into Labor says that these
are in play or that these are in trouble. And
that's very different than what the published poles are saying.
If Labor was truly ahead by virtue of what the
published polls, the public polls are telling us, they wouldn't
be visiting half of these seats. So this tells me
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their internal polling says, by god, it's close.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
Yeah, And I think it's pretty interesting there just looking
at some of the some of the seats that have
come through. You know, you see Fowler there on the screen,
Peter Dunton and Anthony Albansi they have both visited that,
which is really interest interesting because that's helped by Dilie
the Independent, you know, who famously knocked Christina Kannely out
of the race the last time around, one of the
big wins of the coalition. But some of the other
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seats are very interesting, you know. I see that Anthony
Albanisi has been to booth Be a number of times,
which is interesting because he had it at the start
of the campaign. Visited South Australia really at all, and
that's a seat that's going to be very very key
for the Coalition and their hopes there, you know, to
getting Nicole Flint back into the parliament there. It's interesting
seeing Paramatta there and what this kind of confirms to
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me or it suggests that some of the things that
I've been hearing from my own sources, and you know,
you may have heard something similar to Peter, which is
that you know, the Coalition is saying the two party
preferred vote that we're seeing out there is actually not
really an accurate way to focus on this campaign and
the results, because what's happening here is that the outer
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seats out of Sydney and outer suburban seats in Sydney
and Melbourne, you know, they're seeing a lot of promising
signs in some of those places, and that would indicate
why both sides are really going and fighting in some
of those areas.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, on the ground, it's coming down to very localized campaigning. Again.
This was like very much it was for Turning Abbit
in twenty ten, absolutely very similar and what I'm told
happened in twenty nineteen with Scott Morrison. It's sort of
the reverse here of twenty nineteen for Labor when Bill
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Shorten lost down Losable, But we'll see, We'll say I
want to track them next week. We'll come back to
that when I see you next Wednesday. Thank you to
you both all. Right after the break, a war of
words erupts over who knew what when in relation to
Russia's pushed into Indonesia. So what exactly is going on here?
Greg Sheridan with Moore, plus the growing concern over labor
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linked climate charity with ties to groups that have been
blacklisted in the US over their links to slavery. Not
only do I think the PM's already planning is winning
on the lawns of Kirabilly house. You worked out the
menu when the champagne is going to serve, but he's
(26:31):
already drawing up the list of the haves and have nots.
When it comes to his new cabinet, Tanya Plebi sec
which she's out in the cold. Others he's saying they'll
be back, they'll be in the jobs in now. I'd
have to say, Prime Minister, be very careful with Hubris.
Let's go though to the other big story out of
Indonesia involving Russia. Those reports circling yesterday that Indonesia was
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considering letting Russia host an airbase on its soil. Defends
Minister Richard Mars was quick to quash the reports. But
today Labor is accusing Peter Dutton of jumping the gun.
Peter Dutton is drawing inspiration from one president while seeking
to put words in the mouth of another.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
What we saw from Peter Dutton yesterday was an extraordinary overreach.
He verbaled the President of Indonesia, Peter Dutton, is.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Really too agro and too reckless to the Australia's Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Agro from a mean girl. Peter Dutt, though hits back.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
The reference I made was obviously to what is a
very credible military website, and that talked about government sources
and of the proboo government sources. Now, the fact is
that when you have a foreign minister and a defense
minister and a Prime minister finding out about decisions from
our friends and from countries abroad, when they find out
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about that on CNN or on Fox or whatever it is,
you know that this government is not up to it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Jentlemen, I had to discuss this and more. Foreign editor
at The Australian greeg Sheridan Well Greg Unpack this for us.
What do you think we're not being told?
Speaker 13 (28:17):
Well, Peter, it's great to be with you. Look, I
think both Alberaneesi and Dutton have both performed poorly on this.
But this is a very serious story for Australia. Proboo
Subiando is different from his predecessor to Cooe, and very
different from his predecessor Secilia bembak Udiano, who was a
great friend of Australia. Proboo went to Russia after he
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was elected, but before he was inaugurated. Russia is the
biggest supplier of military equipment to Indonesia. The Opposition is
right to insist on a proper intelligence briefing on this,
and such a briefing would show there is very intense
engagement between Russia and Indonesia. There's no chance Indonesia will
allow any foreign country to have a fully owned foreign
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base in their country. But we in Australia are very
smart ourselves at calling foreign bases something else. And I
am not one bit reassured by the bland statements from
Richard Marles and Anthony Alberanzi that there's nothing to see here,
and basically you never hear them mention Indonesia anyway from
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one month to the next. I think our position in
Indonesia is pretty anemic, and I'm sure there's a lot
of stuff going on with Russia, and I wouldn't be
surprised if military cooperation between those two nations intensified much
to our detriment.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
What do we read into the fact that Indonesia's joined
the Brick.
Speaker 13 (29:44):
Nations, Well, you know, our good friend India is a
member of the Bricks as well. India and Indonesia both
are strategically promiscuous. They're both swing states. I mean, India
has a much bigger beef with China than Indonesia has,
so that puts it sort of on our side to
some extent. But Indonesia is not sympathetic to the United
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States at the moment, and I think it's been that
way for quite a long time. But the situation is
not helped by Trump threatening to impose unbelievably punitive tariffs
on Indonesia. That just makes the US less popular in
Indonesia than it is already. Praboo wants to be a
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foreign policy president, but a lot of his instincts are
all over the shop. He'll sign a strategic partnership with Australia,
but sign up to bricks and Bricks is designed really
to constrain America. At the same time, Proboo put out
a piece for Ukraine Plan, which was basically a Russian
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plan some time ago when he was the Defense minister.
Indonesia is very tricky and you'd remember, Peter from your
time in government. Was a lot of attention all the time,
not because we love it or don't, but because it's
so important to us.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Let's go to revelations out of the United Kingdom that
less than a month before the UK government was forced
to intervene to save British Steel, which has happened in
the last week, Downing Street had actually backed Chinese investment
in key parts of the nation's critical infrastructure. According to
The Times newspaper, Britain's Energy secretary signed agreement which promised
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close cooperation with Beijing. Now we know how hard it
was to put pressure Australia did and others on the
United Kingdom at the time to avoid going down the
Huawei path with their five gene network. I find these
revelations extraordinary.
Speaker 13 (31:47):
Greg, Yeah, I mean the truth is the UK is
a bit of a mess. In relation to China policy,
and all of its bad policies are coming home together.
So it has imposed, like Australia, massively unnecessary, massively high
energy costs, and it's therefore pretty hard to run a
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profitable steel industry. The Chinese own this steel plant and
we're going to shut it down. So Chinese investment wasn't
a savior for the steel industry. Now the British government
has taken control of it, but won't fully nationalize it
because that would cost billions of pounds. And then they
wanted to operate on so called green energy, which is
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going to cost billions and billions of pounds. And if
they don't do this, they'll be the only G seven
country without any capacity to make any steel at all.
So they've looked as China as the savior. That's very dumb.
They've imposed massive energy costs on themselves, which makes it very,
very difficult to run a steel industry, and so what
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can they do. They can nationalize it or just go
out of business, and neither of those is a good choice.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Greg, just quickly, I'm almost out of time. We can't
leave the story of the missing defense policies. You've got
Peter Lay, former Chief of Army, out there today calling
the politicians clowns. You know, basically, how can we not
be boosting our defense spending above the two percent of GDP?
Community wants it much higher than that, of course, but yes,
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let's talk about the coalition. Where's Andrew Hasty? Where's the policy?
I've been tired, has been coming for weeks, I haven't
seen it. What about labor too, though, I mean they're
just as bad.
Speaker 13 (33:35):
Oh, they're much worse.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
They're terrible.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
I mean, I'm criticizing the opposition for not giving us
a better alternative, but labor deserves to lose the election
for its defense record. I mean, they haven't increased defense
spending as a percentage of GDP. Almost alone amongst Western countries,
we spend lower than the OECD average. Yet we have
no allies nearby. Trump has, you know, is a big
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question mark over American security guarantees. Meanwhile, the Chinese are
sending gunships to humiliate us. The Russians are seeking bases
in our regions, so are the Chinese, and we're doing nothing.
The Albanese government's record is appalling. It's spending more money
on nuclear subs and no money on the rest of
our defense. But at the same time, how is it
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that the Liberals haven't released a defense policy yet, haven't
committed to spend more money themselves, and apparently have poor
old Andrew Hasty, the so called defense spokesman, in hiding
or witness protection or something, and won't let him out
to speak even on this latest matter. Why didn't we
hear about Andrew Hasty on this Russian base in Indonesia.
Something weird is happening in Dutton's opposition and it doesn't
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fill me with much confidence.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
All over there, Greg, Hopefully we'll have a defense policy
next week to talk about. That's got some other issues
are labeling to climate charity so called charity, and the
fire accus you're taking cash or clean energy firms blacklisted
at the US of affears of slave labor. Now remember
this name. It's called the Smart Energy Council, It's backed
by high profile climate Activissimon Holmes a court, and it's
(35:11):
now facing questions that be links to a controversial Chinese
company at the center of forced labor allegations. Now this
is the same so called charity behind the explosive six
hundred billion dollar claim that has attacked the opposition's nuclear
energy plan. This is the body that says ecostics hundred
billion dollars a figure that the pm US is like
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a weapon, but that hasn't had any modeling attached to it,
hasn't had any independent analysis, and there's no detailed report
out publicly that we can assess. It's an organization of stooges.
Let's bring in associate editor at The Australian, Graham Lloyd.
You know, we could talk all night about the Smart
(35:55):
Energy Council. It's not that smart and if you look
into it. I'm writing about this in your paper tomorrow.
I mean it is an organization full of lefty climate activists.
But if you look at the big claimate made in
relation to the nuclear policy of the coalition, which is
everywhere in Labour's campaign material, it just doesn't stack up.
Speaker 14 (36:19):
That's try good ding, Peter. This is a marriage of
the extreme advocates for net zero and the money that's
behind it, and they are responsible for the six hundred
billion dollar figure that's being weaponized by Labor. They put
out a single report saying well, they've done a bit
(36:40):
of research and the cost is anywhere between one hundred
and fifteen billion dollars at the CSIRO says, and their
estimate of six hundred billion, which is if everything goes wrong,
and it's the first time that's ever been done, so
they lent on the six hundred billion dollar figure when
they release the report, and it's been hammered by the
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government ever since. You drill down into it, it's a
very rubbery figure and it certainly doesn't send anything incredible
at all.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
And you look at their funding source. Graham meant to
become a member of the Smart Energy Council, it costs
upwards of fifty thousand dollars, so they're raking in the money.
And Sarah Isisen's terrific work today in Australian reveals that
some of the money coming in is from a whole
lot of Chinese manufacturers for solar and wind. No wonder
they want to support our climate push here in Australia
(37:34):
because they're making billions from us. But if you look
into to where they get the labor to make all
the stuff that's going to be peppering around our beautiful
coastline and in our national parks, it comes from Weiger
forced labor, so slave camps. I mean, surely this has
got to then end any chance this organization can hold
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charitable status.
Speaker 14 (37:56):
Yes, it is quite outrageous. It's sort of well known
own that the whole renewable energy business, whether it's the
magnets for wind turbines or solar panels or other things,
relies very heavily on exploiting the world's poorest and most
disadvantaged people. In China, that exploitation is a wig is
(38:17):
at the point of a gun. But that hasn't stopped
the companies sort of importing their materials or in the
case of the Smart Energy Council, taking their money to
give them an entree into the political system here and
further their market in this place. So it's highly immoral
on every front, and it's something that should be called out.
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Whether it's the destruction of the rainforest up in Indonesia
for nickel or the young African children that have to
find cobalt and other things. There is a very very
high environmental price that's paid for what's been promised as
a utopian future.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
None of it's renewable, None of it is renewable ollive.
There Graanlloyd, thank you out of the break, protect the
environment all costs. Well, wait till I tell you more
about what's happening to the North of Australia. Plus Trump
has frozen funding for one big university. Do we need
to follow his lead? That's after the break. Welcome, Welcome back, Keldrich,
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it's coming out. But tonight I want to show you
some frankly pretty shocking images of what we're seeing happening
in our state forests in the name of renewable energy.
Now I want to bring in my panel to discuss
this Page Research Center Chief Executive Gerald Holland and Shotow
Environment Minister Jonathan Dunneyam gents, welcome, let's get your thoughts
so on these photos, exclusive photos that have been given
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to me tonight. The show the extent of the destruction
in our national forests in the name of renewables. Now,
this is land cleared for wind turbines on the Great
Dividing Range. The person who said me the images I
want to remain anonymous. I don't blame them, but they're
very concerned about a natie fauna. We're talking about koalas,
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gliders and native birds here, of course, including the wedgetail eagle. Now,
if this was any other project, the environmentalists would be
absolutely losing it. Senator Dunium, this is a huge issue,
but not one that's being discussed in the campaign. I
mean tonight at the ABC debate there are protesters full gaza,
(40:30):
you know, pro Palestinian protesters. Where are the protesters about
this degradation of our state forests?
Speaker 15 (40:39):
Well, Peter, it's hypocrisy with a capital H. Frankly, I
mean the people that are saying, yes, go ahead and
desecrate these last vast tracts of wilderness in the name
of renewable energy, because of course that is the sacred cow.
Here are the same people who said, no, we will
not have a billion dollar gold mine that will bring
(40:59):
a hundred jobs to regional Australia and generate all these
royalties for health and schools, et cetera. And the difference is,
as you say, it's all about renewable energy. We've got
a job ahead of us to make sure people understand
what cost is attached to this. It is not a
clean energy source, not like they describing your images there
and whoever sent them through, very brave of them to
(41:21):
do so. That is the truth that we need to
get out there and it's been hidden away for too
long by the activists.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Just quickly, John, I thought when people joined the Greens
all those years ago, coming out of Tasmania where you live,
it was a very very different party. It was a
party of the environment, that is not a pro environment
move and the biggest people champing renewables are the Greens.
So people who voted the Greens, I think that they
are the party of the Koala. They're not.
Speaker 13 (41:53):
Now.
Speaker 15 (41:53):
They've moved a long way from that. They are communists
and they'll find whatever issue it is that they can
latch onto to generate donations and membership and headlines. The
environment is just a thing they latch onto from time
to time, and your photos there just proved that again.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Well, let's go to something that's just broken this afternoon.
The Fair Work Commission has recommended pay rises of up
to thirty percent for hundreds of thousands of low paid
workers and female dominated sectors. We're talking here about childcare
and aged care, Jared. What really worries me here is
(42:31):
childcare centers, age care centers. They are all private, profit
making businesses. They're not government entities. Yet in the past,
under labor the government has topped up with taxpayer funds
the salaries of these individuals. Now, if you're talking about
a thirty percent pay rise to all of these people
in these sectors, that means childcare fees are going to
(42:53):
go up, that means age care is going to go up.
But it means the poor old taxpayer is on the
hook for tens of billions of dollars while the people
who run these companies and make the profits, they're not
paying their workers what the Fair Worker at Fair Work
Commission says is due.
Speaker 16 (43:09):
We are exactly right, Peter. I mean, from the get go,
I think I would reject the Fair Work Commission's findings
that these are low paid sectors because they're female dominated.
I mean, care work is some of the most fundamental
work that you can do, especially the beginning end of life.
You're talking about the most vulnerable people in our society
and should be honorable and dignified. But we've spent decades
(43:30):
now and generations sort of demonizing care work, particularly in
the home, and forcing this kind of work into institutions
where we've undervalued it with low skilled migrant labor. At
the same time, we aren't supporting families who want to
be at home with their kids. We punish single earner
families who are trying to do things differently. We don't
own we don't offer any tax incentives to trying to
(43:52):
help young families out. And so it corrects this conveyor
belt where parents feel forced to put their kids into
institutional care and forced to pay these ever increasing fees
as the system is not able to support the weight
of an entire generation now of families who see no
other option.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Here and Jared, if you look after your aging mom
at home, you don't get a pay rise, you don't
get paid at all. If you're looking out to your
own children at home, you don't get a dollar. You
have to put them into unionized care in order for
the money to flow. I think that's wrong.
Speaker 16 (44:23):
I couldn't agree more. It's a row. And you know,
I've got young kids. We've got a lot of families
our age who who want to be spending more time
at home. They want to be raising their kids themselves,
or at least not spending as much time in institutional
care as they are. But they feel wedged. The cost
of living is too high. They can't afford a house.
We've created an economic system and structure which is pushing
more people in. And if you look at what labor
(44:44):
is proposing, all of the family support is just funneling
more kids into childcare. And it's an entire way of
thinking about the system that I think we need to
really rethink as a society.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
John, And let's expose what's going on your state of
Tasmania around Tassel. I love their products. I'm not paid
to say that. I just love their salmon. I love
tasmani and salmon. But the Tassel is being bullied by
the banks or sorry that the banks are being bullied
by activists not to give business loans to Tassel. What's
going on here?
Speaker 15 (45:17):
Well, this is I think it might be page twenty
seven of the Green Activist playbook. You know, go and
bully a bank into withdrawing finance from an industry. I mean,
the last time we saw this. And you've got the
usual suspects. You've got noted fiction author Richard Flanagan. You've
got Jeffrey Cousins, who, of course you might remember, who
(45:38):
pulled the very same trick when it came to the
pulp mill in Tasmania. He bullied a and z Into
with drawing funding. And then of course occasionally they'll rope
in a said celebrity like C grade actor Leonardo DiCaprio
to tell us how bad the industry is. All of
it is the same pattern. It was forestry, it's now salmon.
It'll be mining next. This is what they do. And again,
(45:58):
I just hope there some evidence out today. I might say, Peter,
you're not the only one who likes tassel on human
and patuna salmon. Record numbers of amounts of salmon are
being sold in Australian supermarkets and being exported. So the
Green's efforts are really all for nought.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So if you want to support the salmon industry and
hate the Greens, be like me and by the salmon
from Tasmania just quickly Harvard, because they're not dancing to
the President's tune because he wants them to reject the
woke and they're going to have their funding frozen Jared.
Speaker 16 (46:31):
Well with federal funding comme Civic responsibility, and America has
really been leading the way on this, not just in education,
but if you look at their banking system and the
way that they will break their pensions, and they say
if you're engaging in ESG or activist kind of activities,
that is punishing certain providers for providing oil or gas,
or coal or steel, whatever it might be. No more
government funds. We're not going to use you anymore. And
actually it's not just our university sector we should be
(46:54):
approached this way, but we should be looking at our banks,
we should be looking at our super funds and saying
all Australis should be treated equally, All into trees should
be treated equally, especially our primary industries. It provides so
much value to our economy. And if you're not going
to play ball, if you're going to punish citizens and
play favorites, then the funding gets cut off. We don't
use you anymore.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And if you want to reduce our freedoms, that's also
a problem. Thank you, Jens. All right, quick break out
of the rate. We have got a terrific list of
words from you tonight to get through with Kel Virich's
you know they caught me putting my nippy on there
in the break. All right, let's bring in my good friend,
as he does every Wednesday, comes on to give us
(47:32):
the words of the week, Kel Richards. Kel, great to
have you here. We've got some topical words, a great
list from our viewers. The first one is Ponzi scheme.
Now we use this a lot. Surge wants to know
where the term comes from and what it means.
Speaker 17 (47:48):
Comes from Charles Ponzi. Charles was a con man in
America around about nineteen twenty, and he ran a scheme
like this. It wasn't the first to run it, but
his name has become attached to it. And it's the
kind of con scheme in which the early investors are
paid from the new investments coming in from new investors.
So it's a kind of circular scheme. It never actually
makes any money. It never never makes a profit until
(48:11):
it collapses and presumably the man who set it up
flees in time. A Ponzi scheme works in that circular way.
It's now applied figuratively to some government actions. So any
government action which will pump up the economy in a
temporary sort of way but will delay a long way
down the track, any costs or commitments that come from that,
(48:32):
like immigration, like Australia's record immigration exactly, that's our Ponzi scheme.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, I probably grew up thinking of it in terms
of the old Pyramids selling model. But I think that's
been displaced by the term Ponzi scheme. We've brought that
over from New York in particular. Hey, we are certainly
going through an Indian summer in Victoria. I don't know
about New South Wales. But Diane wants to know where
does the term Indian summer come from.
Speaker 17 (49:00):
Well, as you know, I mean, it means unseasonal warm weather,
and the idea is it can't be trusted. It's a
deceptive sort of sign that we're going to get nice
warm weather because it goes away again. It seems to
have come from the Yes, well, it does eventually disappear
early eighteen hundreds of America. And according to the Morrises,
(49:22):
who are expert American Americans, they say early American colonist
colonists use the word Indian to mean unreliable, which is
a terrible thing, but that's what they said. Hence an
Indian summer is an unreliable summer. It's about to end.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
No, I don't think I'll use it again. I don't
think that's particularly nice. I thought it might have had
a you know, a more meteorological term in that there
not anyway, all right, we'll get to the rest of
the words for next week. Thanks Cal. That's it for me.
See tomorrow night at six, here's Andrew
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