Credlin | 17 June

The PM is snubbed as Donald Trump departs the G7 early, speculation the US could become directly involved in the Middle East conflict. Plus, what role are factions playing in the federal intervention into the NSW Liberal Party?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krendler live on Sky News Australia.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming out tonight.
On Cridlin, Anthony Albaneze is snubbed as Donald Trump quits
the G seven sumven in Canada early The Middle East
on high alert is run at Israel continue to trade fire.
Donald Trump's social post prompting speculation in the US might
be set to play a bigger role. So could we

(00:28):
see direct involvement and what would that mean for an
all out war class The federal intervention into the Striford
New South Wales Liberals has been extended, but it's been
done in a way to appease the factions rather than
bring them to heal. That's certainly the allegation and that
meeting that's taken seven months for Alberan. Easy to get

(00:49):
jumped with just one social media post. Now late's trying
to spin it. There's nothing much to see here, but
there's a lot to see and it expects volumes for
the relationship between the two men, with grave implications for Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Completely understandable that the US President would be returning to Washington,
d C.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
To deal with that.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
It should not be left for Australia to just seek
meetings as important as this on the sidelines of an
international summit.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
We'll stay with that issue because it is a major
embarrassment for the Prime minister. He's much hyped meeting with
Donald Trump abandoned today as the President left the g
Summit meeting early due to developments, he says, in the
Israel Iran war, and as if that couldn't get worse,
the fact that he only heard about the cancelation via

(01:43):
the president's social.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
Media feed was telling.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Obviously, having a face to face meeting with the Australian
Prime minister was not a high enough priority for this president,
and that's likely because ever since Trump was re elected
last November, Almineasy has not made repairing that relationship a
high enough priority at his end, as he should have done,
given it was our Prime minister and his US ambassador

(02:09):
Kevin Rudd who tried to big note themselves with the
left by scoring points when Trump was on the outer.

Speaker 7 (02:17):
We have an alliance with the US.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
We're going to deal with him, but that doesn't mean
that you're uncritical about it.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
He scares it out of me.

Speaker 8 (02:26):
For all the American predisposition for episodic craziness.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Look at Trump, how did that happen?

Speaker 9 (02:32):
The United States in the last four years has been
run by a village idiot.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
If nothing else.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Donald Trump's a bloke with a long memory, and yet
in the seven months since he was elected, our Prime
minister has done almost nothing to walk those comments back. Indeed,
he could find the time to visit the Pope in Rome,
but not our most important ally, at a time when
the global insecurity has hardly been worse. In the end,
that sort of gratuitous stone uff always comes back to

(03:01):
bite you, and today it did, as Albanezi looks like
the bloke that's been left at the altar, who not
only couldn't get an invitation to the White House, it
couldn't even get and keep a sidebar chat in Canada
around the margins of an event that Trump couldn't avoid
being at anyway. As is their usual play, the alban

(03:22):
Eze Press office tried to spin this away with a
statement that it's all very understandable that the President was
called away and so two those same lines were repeated
by the Treasurer here at home.

Speaker 9 (03:35):
This was always a chance of happening, given what's happening
around the world and particularly in the Middle East. Prime
Minister Albanze has had three conversations with President Trump in
recent months, will continue to engage in the usual way.
But I don't think it's especially surprising. I do think
it's understandable given events that are unfolding a really dangerous part.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
Of the world.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Understandable, well, it's clearly in the script, but understandable. It
is not diplomatically. What's happened is a shocker, and that
fact was quickly picked up by former ambassador now Liberal
MP Dave Sharma. Now rightly, he says this is of
the government's head and the whole relationship, not just his
council meeting, is now in a state of flux. Some

(04:21):
of the media today tried to blame it all in
the fact that the actual G seven meeting, the one
involving Trump, was an hour and a half away from
where the Australians and others were at the meeting. Yes,
Australia technically invited to the G seven, but not being
part of the actual Group of seven nations, or they
were meeting elsewhere today, they weren't joining the top table

(04:42):
until tomorrow. Now that line is rubbish. These split meetings
and not unusual. Actually they're part of the course. It
was how weeded it to here in Australia when we
hosted the G twenty in Brisbane a few years back.
And it's not as if the alban Ezy offers didn't
know that this was the setup, given he would have

(05:04):
sent his AFP security team and his PMO advances over
to Canada in the last couple of weeks to scout
all of this out. So please spare me the spin
as labor tries to spin its way out of this
unedifying snub. It is a snub. It is absolutely a snub.

(05:25):
This is not a scheduling issue. And yes we know
the pretext behind Trump's early departure was quote events in
the Middle East. But you just don't junk a first
time meeting with an important ally.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
You shift it.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
You don't junk it, unless, of course, you want to
send a very stern message, which clearly the US President
wanted to do, but while wiping a bit of egg
off his face. I think the Prime Minister actually had
a lucky escape here because it could hardly have got
through a formal meeting without having to justify the unjustifiable,

(05:58):
namely his government culpable neglect of our military preparedness at
a time of unprecedented danger. With Alman Easy, he said
to attend the UN meeting in September.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
It'll be in New York. We will see if he
uses the breathing.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Space between now and then to tell a better story
on defense and how Australia can be an asset rather
than a drag on our mutual security partnership. Now, if
he does that, he might actually get his Trump meeting.
But if he doesn't, we really are out in the cold,
and this is not the time we would want that,

(06:34):
given China to our north and the parless state of
our military team. Look, speaking of taking things seriously, how
seriously is the Liberal Party taking the urgent task of
reform and policy revitalization following its disastrous defeat at the

(06:56):
recent federal election. Now you know what I think of
the Victorian Liberal division, which may well turn itself into
some kind of bank for losers on Thursday by lending
millions to former leader John Pizuto, who seems unable to
pay the legal bills he has been ordered to pay
by their federal court. But today it's a New South
Wales Party's turn to showcases factionalism and its dysfunction. This

(07:20):
morning the Liberal Party federal executive met and they agreed
to extend its intervention into the New South Wales division.
Prompted you might recall by the party's failure to get
local government nominations in on time, but it effectively sacked
the team leading the intervention, the trio of former Federal

(07:42):
Party presidents Alan Stockdale and Richard Alston class former New
South Wales Liberal front bench of Peter Seaton. Well they've
all drafted a new constitution, but actually getting it ratified
now will be left to a new and much larger
intervention committee chaired by former New South Wales Premier Nick Griner.
And in the past few years, some five thousand people

(08:04):
have failed to renew the Liberal Party membership in New
South Wales. So five thousand left and five hundred have
been either expelled or not allowed to join the New
South Wales Liberals.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
And it's almost a.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Decade since a single New Liberal Party branch has been
formed in our country's biggest state.

Speaker 10 (08:25):
It's just appalling, and it's because the factions collude. Factions
are okay you're always going to have left and right, progressive,
moderate conservative whatever as how it said broad Church. But
when they get together and exclude people, you know, mother
Teresa turns up says she's available, I'd say, sorry, you're

(08:46):
not in the right faction.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Any wonder they wanted Richard Austin to go. And this
is all because the New South Wales Party has become
a faction rented insiders club. Now, what the draft constitution
does to get the party out of the hands of
factional warlords and back into the hands of its rank
and file members is to end the ability of branches
to veto new members, end the ability of conferences to

(09:12):
veto new branches, and open up the State Council to
all members, enabling every one of them to speak and vote,
rather than just the existing delegates who mostly owe their
allegiance to factions. Now, I think Susan Lee understands that
this reform must happen if she's to have any chance
of winning.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
The next election. The question is this, does the new
committee get it? Give it?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's mostly comprised of people who opposed the original intervention.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
Because unless there's reform.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
The Liberals will remain in the wilderness for a whole
lot longer than is necessary. So for their political sake
as a movement and our countries, this intervention has got
a work.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
All right.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Let's got a camb now for the headlines, skyn is
clitical reporter cam Reddin.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
The Prime Minister's planned meeting with the US presidents is off.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Why are you leaving ATCHIEVE seven early for watching here?
Would I have to be back? Very important?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Doubt Donald Trump leaving the G seven early due to
escalating conflict in the Middle East.

Speaker 9 (10:19):
And this was always a chance of happening.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was to be the pair's first face to face
meeting following three phone calls since November.

Speaker 10 (10:27):
We've got a few things to talk about.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Anthony Albaneze had been hoping to raise America's tariffs and
make the case to stick with ORCUS. British Prime Minister
Keir Starmer did manage some FaceTime before the President jetted off.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yep, we're proceeding with that. It's a really important deal
to both of this.

Speaker 9 (10:44):
I think the person that was doing a review, we
did a review when we came into government, so that
makes good.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Sense to me.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
It's just not appropriate that we can only rely on
a meeting on the sidelines of an international summit.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Back Home, Treasurer Jim Chalmers says he'll prioritize the national
eco economic interest when considering whether to approve a takeover
bid for gas giants Santos lodged by the National Oil
Company of Aboudhabi.

Speaker 9 (11:08):
Transactions this big go through a number of stages and
I will listen to the advice of the Foreign Investment
Review Board, but I won't preempt that advice.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right, it's been a pretty hectic day, particularly with those
developments at the G seven summit. We can confirm now
President Trump has left Canada, with his Secretary of State
Marco Rubio also leaving the summit shortly afterwards.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Let's get across all.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Of those international stories too, but some local ones as well.
Don't you be down to do that? National Affairs editor
the Data Telegraph, of course, Sky News host the wonderful
James Morrow, and our political reporter there, Cam Reddin, Well, gents, welcome.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
James.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
You've written today that the snub from Trump actually might
be a bit of a get out our jail car
for the PM. I don't disagree I think I made
that point just a minute ago. I mean, Alvineese has
clearly got the Trump's skin, and we've seen before that
really ends well. But we should have had, and I've
said this from the outset, a proper Washington meeting in

(12:09):
place here, not something around the sidelines of the G
seven and not something that obviously that has been junked
as it has. I think the fact that it's junked
and not being replaced is telling.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean the fact is that this
meeting was a very small meeting to start, where there
was a stand up, sidebar meeting somewhere on the edges
of this summit. So that just already shows with how
little you know on the radar Australia is for Donald
Trump at the moment. But you know it didn't have
to be that way. You know, it did not have

(12:44):
to be that way. Donald Trump, as you know, loves
to receive foreign visitors. From the moment he was elected.
People were flying to Washington or inviting him to come
and see them and doing things with him. You know,
it's called diplomacy. Kevin right, of course, should have been
more on this, get that meeting, Hey, come on up
to Washington, do the ovalovs thing, the press conference. You know,
Alba could have given Trump a rabbit o Scarf, could

(13:06):
have done all sorts of things. But you know, instead
we get this albaneasy that I don't think, really, and
I write this in Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph, I don't think
he gets foreign policy and I don't think he gets
what's going on. You know, there's this Titanic struggle between
countries like Iran and Russia and China and countries on
the other side, like you know, the United States and Australia,
who we are supposed to be closely allied with. And

(13:28):
I don't think he gets that because he's constantly both
sidesing this issue. Oh we need restraint, Oh we need
to calm down, both sides need to step back a moment,
you know. But that's not going to cut it now.
It's not going to cut it in the world that
we're in, Choices have to be made, declarations have to
be made. And I think Albaniasi sees this all through
the lens of domestic politics, and I think that that

(13:51):
means that he just does not have any ground on
which to do. What Joe Hockey said which is to
go to Daldrup say hey, how can we help you know,
let's work this out together. Keir star Wars done it.
Why can't alban Eazy?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think the problem here came and you were on
the trail in the campaign. I mean Albanisi and Labor
more broadly use Donald Trump as a bit of a
stalking horse for Peter Dutton. And it's like they don't
think we've got a US embassy in Australia that reads
the media play and sends back its cables to the
White House. I mean the President would have been briefed
on the Australian political campaign and how much he figured

(14:28):
in it in many days, many.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
Instances as a figure of scorn.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
And then of course you've got all the historic references
I played them before from the Prime Minister and Kevin
Rudd about Donald Trump when he was on the outer Well,
now he's not on the outer, his back in the
Oval Office. They want to be friends and hey sort
of just saying well when it suits me.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
I think.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
It's a kick in the guts Peter. There's no doubt
about that, and particularly the way that it played out
in the space of about twenty minutes where the Prime
minister's press conference concluded, where talking up really with a
big smile after Keir Starmer was there talking up aucas
feeling like he's probably had a bit of a win there.
It was going to walk into the meeting with Donald Trump,
shake hands, get the big photo, kill off that criticism

(15:12):
from the coalition, to say that he couldn't get a meeting,
and within about fifteen minutes of that meeting concluded, out
goes the tweet. Australia never gets told and suddenly the
meeting is off. Now there is a feeling that that
is just the way that this Trump organization, this Trump
administration operates, that they're not the type to pick up
the phone and say, sorry, Prime Minister, we can't make

(15:33):
that meeting. That's just the way is the belief that
the Trump administration operates. But there's no doubt Peter, that
this is a real blow. There was a hope that
he'd be able to come back meeting secured criticism, arelaid
and at the very least they now have a rapport
from that meeting. There's no suggestion now as you outline
that it's been rescheduled, there is no suggestion that it

(15:55):
will happen at any point in the months ahead. There's
been some talk around September and the fact that the
Prime Minister could be going to the United Nations, maybe
deliver an address at the General Assembly in New York,
and that that could be the next opportunity. But what's
going to happen between now and then, Peter, There's so
much that you'd have to feel for the Prime Minister,
whether they tried their heart out on this, even so

(16:16):
that it did'd have to go down as a missed opportunity.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Absolutely, But I also think he's played a pretty poorly
since the president was elected in November.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
I think that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
You can make time to go to the Pope, but
you can't go all the way to Washington or have
another meeting with Donald Trump at another event before then,
given the call and the tariffs and all the other issues,
not to say also the global insecurity we're facing, and
to look like we've snubbed James Morrow those comments that
we saw only just recently at the shangrilad dialogue about

(16:49):
Australia pulling our weight in defense funding terms.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, and I mean you know you saw Richard Morrils
yesterday at the defending Australia summer Peter trying to justify
our anemic defense spend and say, well, we need to
spend it on first. But you know, that's the sort
of thing that's just not going to cut it. And
there's a million other issues too that the Trump administration
could also have with Australia right now. That includes the

(17:16):
recent cancelation of those Israeli visas you know from those
cabinet ministers. It's the whole free speech situation, and it's
this whole thing that Anthony Albanizi does. He did into
the press club the other day when he talks about
you know, we're not importing these conflicts from overseas and
with an eye towards America, saying, you know, America is
the problem, when he won't seem to say that China

(17:37):
is the problem. And I think, you know, Anthony Albania
talks about austrain values, but I think we need a
bit more of a sense of what's those values and
whose values.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Are and aren't.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let's got some domestic issues, can We saw yesterday another
incident involving one of the freed criminal detainees is where
are the men predumbpantly men out of the nz YQ
cohort a sixty two year old Australian man, though he
is left fighting for his life. There are grave fears
for his survival after an alleged assault in the Melbourne
submit of Footscray. The Coalition has rightly jumped on this

(18:12):
issue today Andrew Hasty, who is of course the new
Shadow Minister for Home Affairs, accusing Tony Burke overseeing another
massive community safety failure. Now a lot of these these
detainees are not being monitored as we were promised. They're
not wearing ankle bracelets and not being closely watched.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
In this case, I.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Understand he was, but that just meant after the stabbing
they knew where to go to pick him up. They
didn't stop the stabbing. And despite having that urgent legislation
two years ago, going into Christmas past, we've yet to
see one single application lodged by Labor support any of
these dangenerous criminals back behind bars.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
And what we're also seeing play out intend and to
that Peter, is the first real legal test of the
government's solution to many of this or these issues as
they crop up, which is the ability to send people
to Nahuru when they are able to strip that visa
from them. That's currently being challenged in the High Court
at the moment. It had a hearing yesterday. We don't
know when that's going to come to a resolution. But

(19:16):
the government's answer to all of this, remember, was that
we would pay Naharu to take people in circumstances like
that where we do not want them here and we're
able to show they have no legal case to be here.
The outcome of that case, which is playing along right now,
if it doesn't go the government's way, could tear up
the one solution that they've managed to get through to

(19:36):
this point, which again is still trying to play out
through the courts and actually be acted on. So we
keep be one eye on that. It could still be
many months away. But Peter, if that is to be
struck a blow, it would be back to the drawing
board again on this issue. Now into what I think
the second year of going on to try and clean
up and find the final response to that endzyukse.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Flailing around and not cleaning up much of the moment.
Let's go to what's happened in Sydney. That's shocking triple
shooting James in a kebab shop in the West. Now,
if that wasn't bad enough, you've got an innocent bystander
caught up in the violence. I had to read your
paper twice this morning where it's reported that the shooting
was actually carried out by men who were hired via

(20:20):
an air tasker sort of app Now, this is the
sort of place you go to if you want someone
to pat your fence or you know, do odd jobs
around the house, maybe move some furniture around. But I
wouldn't have thought to get a contract killing. But Prime
editor Mark Murray, he was on Sky this morning saying
this is exactly what it is, and it's pretty common.

Speaker 11 (20:42):
Payment can be anything from drugs, crypto, they'll pay for
it sometimes even in cars. You know, it's used in
the air tasking principle throughout the whole social media network,
and that's been going on for quite some time.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Clearly that I'd say, you know, I want to have
a hit on this guy or take this person out,
and they use coded language, James, but this staggers me.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
This staggers me.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Oh well, it staggers me too. But you know, I've
had conversations today with Mark Moore. He sits very near
me in the Daily Telegraph newsroom, I'm pleased to say,
and we spoke about this in some depth today. It's
not just these air tasker style apps, you know, where
you're saying like, oh, well, you know, can you paint
my kitchen and also ice my rival gangster over there. No,

(21:30):
it's also they've got their own versions of WhatsApp, They've
got all these other apps. And the thing that's driving
this is a massive, massive amount of money that's coming
in through the drug trade, through cocaine trade, through methamphetamine trade,
and even the marijuana trade apparently is still quite profitable,
and there's a lot of money in that, and there's
just sacks and sacks of cash going around more than

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anybody knows what to do with. The rivalries over this
stuff go absolutely berserk over territory and this and that
and personal slights, and you wind up with these horrific
situations where you know, at a kebob shop in Auburn,
it's a suburb of western Sydney, somebody's trying to get
their lunch and two guys come in and come in
blasting and you know, you've got innocent bystanders out there

(22:14):
copying the crossfire here. The Premier urgently needs to do
something beyond I think just words. We've heard a lot
of words from him, but you know, there's been an
awful lot of shootings the intended target here. I think
this was the fourth time someone has tried to offer
him this year.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I tell you what, it's really worrying every night the
news in Australia. We've got these shootings in the headlines,
and we're supposed to be a country we pride ourselves
about having gun control.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
It doesn't feel like that at the moment I leave
there both. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, let's return out of the topic of Donald Trump's
abrupt departure from the G seven some, and of course
the broader implications in all of these for the Middle
East conflict. Joining me now our professor in American politics
at the University of Melbourne, Tim Lynch, thank you for
your time. Let's start with the president's departure today. What
do you think this says in terms of the Australia

(23:06):
US relationship given it's a meeting between the leaders that
has been junped.

Speaker 12 (23:13):
Good evening, Peter it's great to be here. Well, I
think you could make a plausible case, though I don't
think i'd dine a ditch making it that this is
indicative of a downgrading of the Australian alliance that's held
in the MAGA movement. I think this needs to be
seen in terms of Trump's more general disregard for allies.

(23:37):
He doesn't see the world in terms of the very
strong alliances which has produced a very powerful United States
as a unipolar power. He seems ally he sees allies
and Australia counts as one of these, as leeches on
American prosperity. So I don't think it's a calculated snub

(23:59):
of our minister, but he's very much of a consistent
with Trump's transactional approach to international affairs.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
How do you think the history of Albany, He's he
given you the glass jaw that Trump often has about
his ego, the alban Easy history, the comments in the past,
the rebuke that we've had just recently about our defense
funding and our response to it, which is basically said, no,
we think we're spending enough. The US said no, you're not.
We're not looking to move it. How do you think

(24:29):
all of that's played into it? Though, Because you know
I've been there before. When these meetings have been moved,
you go out if you weigh diplomatically to put a
new date in the diary and allow someone to save face.
In this case, you've got the date junket, but no
new date given.

Speaker 12 (24:47):
We don't know what he thinks about Albansy, if he
thinks about alban Easy at all. My suspicion is that
this is not a guy that occupies much Trump's mental space.
That's not to denigrate our Prime minister. It is, I
think to suggest Peter that Australia, though we regard the
US alliance as absolutely fundamental to our security, is regarded

(25:11):
by Trump and the wider mega movement as mostly tangential,
if not irrelevant, And we need to see how the
personal relationships between these two leaders. We didn't didn't get
the opportunity, of course, because the meeting never happened. But
I would would suspect, and I'd urged the caution that
Trump is very good at talking tough and demonizing opponents

(25:34):
and then buddying up to them. I mean, think about
his schizophrenia on somebody like Vladimir Putin. Vadimir Putin is
the embodiment of all evil, and at the weekend he's
wishing him a happy birthday. I just don't think Trump
sees the world in highly personal terms, which maybe ironic
for some, but certainly not in ideological terms. He's a

(25:55):
transactional leader will who will make meetings and do deals
to advance transactional material causes, which is why I think
we're finding him missing in action when we are confronted
with a moral war of the kind that Israel is
unleashing on Iran in the current moment.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
You mentioned bloody be let me play some comments you
may because you and I are old enough to remember
when the G seven was the G eight.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Have listen.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
G seven used to be the G eight.

Speaker 13 (26:28):
Barack Obama and a person named Trudeau didn't want to
have Russia in. Then I would say that there was
a mistake, because I think you wouldn't have a war
right now if you had Russia inn, and you wouldn't
have a war right now if Trump were president four
years ago.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
All right, T what do you make at those comments?

Speaker 12 (26:46):
Well, it's consistent with what Trump thinks about the way
the world works. That it's all about material acquisition, about
doing deals. You means first, but point of acquisition is
real estate. And he thinks he can try translate that
international diplomacy to read Putin's motives, and that Putin's objectives

(27:07):
can be stated by a better deal. A real estate
deal is so historically amnesiac, I'd accuse him of being amnesiac,
but I don't think he ever knew the history in
the first place. He's got a very simple template for
international relations which are served really served him really well domestically,

(27:28):
as we all know, he's a two term president. It
does not translate well to the international stage, where there
are and I think he needs to read is Ronald Reagan,
if not is Margaret Thatcher. There are good guys and
bad guys and Americas. Because of how it's founded and
what it's dedicated to the propositions it holds, deer must

(27:49):
at some point start to side with the good guys.
And Trump he's got, he's got three and a half
years to make this reconciliation with what I think is
an inescapable part of you history.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
A quick comment, then, because part of the reason, at
least the fig leaf for his departure. He probably got
to sick with everyone getting in his ears.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
The G seven.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I don't think he likes all the social niceties that much.
But he gets out of town and he says, I've
got to get back and focus on the issues in
the Middle East. He puts some messages out on his
socials over and I'm saying, any people in Tehran need
to evacuate immediately. When pushed on this speculation that the
US will get involved, it was pretty coy. Have a
listen and what would you say, in your opinion, what

(28:33):
would it teak for the US to get involved in
this conflict militarily.

Speaker 13 (28:37):
I don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I know a lot of people have made a deal
about these bunker busting bombs, but we saw when Hesbala
leadership were taken out by Israel a few months ago
that they've certainly got their.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Own version of that.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Anyway, I listened to some ex moss Ad types on
international media in the last couple of days. They seem
pretty confident if they need to go subterranean with some
of their bombs now they have the capacity in Israel.
So why do you think this is headed? Is a
likely to be do you think intervention from the United States.

Speaker 12 (29:15):
Well, Trump is wedded to this idea of American internationalism,
which you can read as a form of kind of
belligerent passivism. Foreigners can resolve their own issues and die
on their own battlefield. We're keeping our armed forces at home.
The problem is this starts to conflict with this tough
guy image, which I'm not denigrating. He was very decisive

(29:36):
in a way that Barack Obama wasn't when it came
to Iran killing Cassim Sulimani at the end of his
first term. So he's got a track record here that
he's also got to try and balance with this maga isolationism.
So my hunch is because he's prey to historical determinacy
as any other president, you will see a much more

(29:59):
calibrated use American hard power to back Israel's to this
point remarkable war against Israel. It seems to me an
inescapable destiny for any American president to be to have
to recognize, and I don't think Trump is capable of
resisting that pressure.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
We will watch it with great interest, and you're right
to recognize. I think the precision work of Israel in
the last couple of days. We'll over there, Thank you,
Professor Tim Lynch. After the break, what next for you?
Southwell's Liberals too, with the federal administrators, have been dumbed
despite ripe factionalism, still a parent plus John Pizzuto if
exists pretty close to getting a deal out of the
Libs to pay off his debts, but to but it's

(30:43):
not an expense of money. The members have given the
party fair amount of warnings today from the grassroots.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
More than that coming out.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Welcobag still become the massive about face from Kia Starmer
kicking and screaming to open a national inquiry into grooming
gangs as it's finally admitted that fear of being called
a racist meant young women will hung out to dry
the first Today the Liberal Party Federal Executive Acts. The
two former Federal presidents who are leading its intervention into

(31:16):
the New South Wales division, Alan Stockdale and Richard Alston,
have been dropped, while the third member, Peter Seaton, will
remain on a new enlarged committee to be led by
former New South Wales Premier Nick Griner. A Liberal source
has been quoted in the media saying, and I quote you,
Southwales members have reclaimed the party back from Victoria, don't
have been How to discuss this and more? Former Liberal

(31:37):
Party Vice president Sky News contributor Tina McQueen, Well, I'll
tell you what You've forgotten more about the Liberal Party
than most people watching tonight will know.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
So give me your take on this intervention.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I mean, I do think it's good that it has
been extended, Tina, But the change in personnel people have
said to be the Staffson earn that this is all
about it a factional fix.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Is that fair? How do you interpret things?

Speaker 7 (32:05):
Absolutely, Peter, it's a factional stitch up.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Most of the people that created the carnage in the
first place are now back in control. I mean they
demonized Richard Olsten and you know for being Victorian ouctionineeran Victorian,
but they're put in eighty year old Nick Griner. Now
I've served with mister Grinder on Federal Executive and let
me tell you that scares me because he's so pro

(32:29):
quotas that really frightens me. We've got an eighty year
old federal President John Olsen. There's not one member of
that committee under forty and we need to capture that
youth vote. Most of them are sadly a long way
from forty. So yeah, it looks sadly. I don't think
it's going to make a lot of difference, Peter. The
factions are back in control where they've always wanted to be.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Does it surprise you because we know that Susan Lee
was dependent on the factions in twenty twenty two save
her pre selection. Is there a service that she's owed
them this?

Speaker 4 (33:06):
I hate to say it, but yes, I think that's
the case. Susan lays had a number of closer, close shaves,
and I think she's doing exactly as the factions wanted,
and that's really disturbing. I mean, there's so much we
really need, such a great change in the Liberal Party.
As you said earlier in the piece, the delegate system
is outdated. That should have go everyone should had to say.

(33:29):
I think for the moment, they should drop the membership
free from one hundred dollars to probably ten because it's
going to be so hard to get people to renew
under these conditions. And the members aren't stupid, Peter. They
recognize these names and they know it's same old, same old,
and the sad part is we have some remarkable, brilliant
young people are younger generations in the ranks that don't

(33:51):
get a chance because of the same people just over
and over again, the yes people I call them.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Richard also made a point that the factions left and right,
they've always been there, they collude. Five thousand people had
left being members of the party in New South Wales
and five hundred would be new members were blocked. There
has not been a new branch created in almost a
decade in New South Wales. I understand there is now

(34:20):
a new constitution. It has been drafted, but what's the
risk it's now going to be rewritten by this new
committee and any timeline on when we might actually see
that new constitution ratified.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
That's the worry.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
No one's mentioned when it's going to be ratified, and
that has been the problem. So many members have been
blocked from entering particular branches. You know, they just want
to keep them to small numbers where they control them,
where they control the delegates, and that's where the rot
sets in and it has to stop. That's why we
need a total change. These has to be enforced. But

(34:56):
problem is, as you said, when we don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I want to ask you about the Victorian Libs too,
because they've got a fight on down here. On Thursday night,
John Perzuto will front the Liberal Party Administrative Committee. So this,
for people at home, is the basically the board that
runs a party in Victoria.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
He wants a loan.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
He wants a couple of million dollars to pay the
money he owes Moira Dmi out of that federal court
judgment where it was found that he defamed her on
all five counts.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
Here he is a little earlier today. You're all aware
that I'm working through things now and hopefully we'll get
a good result. What do you make of Moira's most
recently recent deal to you?

Speaker 14 (35:38):
Oh no, I have no comment on those things there
before the party now, and like all things, will work
through the internal processes and see.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
What happens on this day.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Now. I think my viewers know my view on this.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I do not think the Liberal Party is a bank
for loser leaders. There's been warnings today about a backlash
from donors and angry grassroots members if this was to proceed.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
What's your view, one dime, I'm almost totally unnecessary that
it got to this stage.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
It could have been prevented.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
You know, a long time before I got this serious
and he received this judgment. If he wants a loan, fine,
go and get one, you know, take out a homelaran
or something. Don't rely on party members heart earned, Manda.
They won't cop it, Peter, they will not cop it
and people will leave if the Liberal Party or any
associated attendities lend him one dime. He refuses to put

(36:36):
his home up for security, though, Tina, and that's why
he can't get a bank loan, and that's why he's
relying on the party. Well, then sadly he's going to
have to leave parliament, Peter, simple as that.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
No great loss.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Well we'll see what happens there. I'll come back to
that issue in the moment. Actually there's more speculation about
a change of leadership yet again with the Libs in Victoria.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
Thank you to him a Queen.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
The Break a Bondshell report reveals authorities shied away from
the ethnicity of UK's groomy gang members class. The Victorian
government brags about his latest pill testing initiative, Welcome back
to the calm. The principle of a Melbourne private school
forced to apologize to parents after a gay Palestinian speaker

(37:22):
with sexually explicit social media content address boys as part
of Pride Week. But first, the UK government forced to
order a u national inquiry into the country's groomying gangs
scandal after a report from Baroness Louise Casey found that
authorities had shied away from the ethnicity of those involved
in the gangs. The Home Secretary of Ed Cooper has

(37:45):
accepted the recommendations for the collection of ethnicity data to
be made compulsory in all cases of child abuse and
on the key issues.

Speaker 15 (37:53):
Of its ethnicity that I'd asked her to examine, she
has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data,
despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In
the local data that the audit examined from three police forces,
they identify clear evidence of overrepresentation among suspects of Asian

(38:15):
and Pakistani heritage.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Men h look at those labor women, they're looking at
their shoes having been MPs while all of this went on.
Joining me now, courage media contributor Connor Tomlinson, Connor, thank
you for joining me tonight.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
We've followed this really closely.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
In Australia and according to the Casey report, and I
thought this is extraordinary. Ethnicity data was not recorded for
two thirds of groomy gang perpetrators. Now, she also said.
Baroness also said that there was time we needed to end.
She said the sanitized language around these so called grooming gangs.
I want to call them rape gangs because that's exactly

(38:55):
what they were. And it's not just race, it's also
their religious that was protected. But the poor or vulnerable
girls they were preyed upon, they were not protected.

Speaker 8 (39:07):
Yeah, for a number of these crimes. Peter Shadow Education
Minister Neilo Bryan has been writing on his substack for
some time that particularly child sexual offenses, there looks to
be a deliberate omission of the ethnicity of the perpetrator.
And it looks deliberate because the sex of the perpetrator,
usually being male, is recorded in almost every case. So
the police, presumably through trying to manage community cohesion or

(39:30):
ensure some sort of racial harmony with an entire community
of child rapists, has decided not to record this. And
it is very suspicious as well that of the thirty
five percent that had their ethnicity recorded eighty seven percent
were white British. Now for the remaining sixty five percent,
we can build up a picture from the ethnicity of
suspects recorded by police in other districts. For example, in

(39:54):
Operation Stovewood, which is the National Crime Agency's operation tackling
the Pakistani gangs in Rotherham, Pakistani's make up four percent
of the local population in Rotherham, let's say two percent
for men aged fifteen to sixty, but they make up
sixty four percent of all of the child sexual abuse suspects.
I mean, that's just an exponential overrepresentation. The same in

(40:16):
West Yorkshire where Asian suspects and they don't mean obviously
Japanese businessmen here are overrepresented by two to four times
their share of the local population. And I found some
data via a freedom of information request from the West
Yorkshire Police that has passed along to me and another
journalist friend of mine earlier this year, and this coroborates
that we found that among Pakistani suspects they were twenty

(40:41):
one percent of all suspects, and Asian offenders are potential
forty two point seventy three percent. And we say potential
because a fifth of all of the suspects again didn't
have their ethnicity recorded, and Luise Casey has been adamant
about this ever since she first wrote a report into
Rotherham in twenty fifteen that the express reason that social workers,
police officers, local counselors and politicians didn't talk about this

(41:03):
were because, and here's a quote, you couldn't bring up
race issues and meetings or you would be branded a racist.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Let's talk about the inquiry that they've been forced to adopt. Now,
this National Inquiry, it is time limited and reports are
that it will not be likely to be as comprehensive
as victims hope now.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
Keir Star, of course during the time.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
That this was playing out, was also a prosecutor at
the time, so there is concern that he's got real
questions to answer as well.

Speaker 8 (41:37):
Yes, well, he has face criticism from Maggie Oliver, who
was a police officer in charge of Operational Gusta in
Greater Manchester who took some time off work, came back
and found that her operation had been mysteriously closed down.
She's been a valiant crusader for the grooming gangs ever since.
She's criticized the Crown Prosecution Service under Kirs Starmer for
just neglecting to take a lot of these cases forward,

(41:58):
and still too many are not taken forward and historically
this has been the case. The recent data from West
Yorkshire found only a seventeen percent prosecution rate for all
of the offenses that they recorded, which is staggeringly too low.
But Kirs Starmer, even when he's been in government, has
been dragged, kicking and screaming to this national inquiry. It
was only in January when he said that those calling

(42:19):
for a national inquiry were quote jumping on a bandwagon
by the far right. His Leader of the House of Commons,
Lucy Powell, when she was asked, I think it was
last month now about the grooming gangs by a journalist
on the BBC, she said, oh, we're going to blow
that little trumpet, are we. Let's get the dog whistle out,
dismissing any conversation about the ethnicity and the religion of

(42:39):
the perpetrators, which was their primary motivation to prey on white,
working class non Muslim girls, as itself racist. And then
you have Jess Phillips, who's the Home Office Safeguarding minister,
who blocked Oldham Council from having assistance National assistance because
they felt they couldn't carry out an independent inquiry, and
she has made the entire affair all about her because
Eglon Musk tweeted about her complicity in the cover up

(43:01):
and is now doing the media rounds on LBC and
the BBC in the UK saying well, I was always
on the side of the victims and I always wanted
this inquiry, hoping that we have an apocalyptically short memory. Honestly, Peter,
I don't have much faith in the Labor government being
able to carry this out properly and impartially, which is
why I'm really glad that Rupert Low, independent MP, now
is still going forward with his private inquiry, because at

(43:22):
least that can get all of the evidence out in
the public and hold the government to account.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
We'll stay across O'Connor.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
We're watching it here in Australia and it has been
a damning indictment on identity politics thus far. We'll see
what comes out of this inquiry. Thank you for your time.
All right, after Break Wide Earth is a Victorian government
crowing about having the largest pill testing facility in the country.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
All right, other issues around. Let's get into it straight away.
My panel.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Now Skyney's commentator at Terry Barnes and the new federal
member for Monash The said in Victoria Liberal Mary Aldred, Well,
welcome to you boy. Let's start in Victoria yet again.
A new pills center will open up in a couple
of weeks. It'll be right in the middle of Bronswick Street,
a bit of a tourism precinct, right across the road,

(44:13):
Terry Barnes from one of those high rise housing Commission centers.
I'll tell you what they are crowing the government here
about the size of it, how wonderful it is, how
big it is. Where's the anti drug message rather than
the pro pill testing message.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
There isn't one, this is there, Peter.

Speaker 16 (44:28):
I mean, basically the government should actually be hanging its
head in shame, not bragging about it, not being proud
of it. Because I think a permanent pill testing center,
I mean, we're not talking about going to raves and
things like that, but we're talking and which I think
is wrong in itself. But I think a permanent pill
testing center sends the wrong message. It's another slide down
the slippery slope in terms of illegal illicit dangerous drugs.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
And I think if you're tending a message.

Speaker 16 (44:52):
To the dealer said oh okay, you can peddle this
stuff and we'll get it tested and make it official,
you know, government tick. I just think it's the wrong
message around. It's morally wrong, and it's dangerous for our kids.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Another issue in Victoria too today the principle of Trinity
Grammar forced into a groveling apology Mary after he organized
a speaker to talk to the boys about Pride Week.
So you know, gay, lesbian, binary, whatever, and the speaker
is a Palestinian figure who had a whole lot of

(45:24):
pretty sexually explicit material material on his social media feed.
Parents are not happy. You think there might be some
checks and balances here.

Speaker 14 (45:36):
Yeah, Peter, I've got no issue with a school making
an effort to provide a more inclusive environment for their students,
but in doing this on this occasion, clearly it's not
been age appropriate or appropriate some of that social media content.
The bigger issue for me, though, is that the speaker
turned up wearing a pro Palestinian scuff So I don't

(45:57):
think that makes Jewish students in that class feel very included.
I think it sends a terrible one sided message. We've
got a really big problem at the moment in Australia
with the continued rise of anti Semitism. It's not appropriate
to have a speaker promoting those sort of messages. There
should have been a bet vetting process. And I do

(46:19):
think it's a bit of a cop out to just say, oh,
we don't vet the you know, we're going to put
this speaker forward, but we haven't done any vetting on
their social media messages or content. I don't think that's
a sufficient response.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
I agree with to maryt.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
What if I'm getting in political speakers, they'd vet your
conservative politics or my conservative politics way more than they'd
you know, vet the sort of sexual toys and we've
got on our social media. Not that we have them, please,
not that we have them, but that's what's happened there. Hey, yeah,
let's go down to Victoria. We talked a little bit
there about what could go down. Terry Barnes on Thursday

(46:54):
night a multimillion dollar loan to form a leader John
Perzuto to get him out of a bind money he
owes the court. But worse today is this conversation reported
in the Herald Son that mp is are now openly
talking about rolling the current leader Brad Batten, who has
only been there for six months, and putting back in
Matthew Guy, who went to two elections.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
And lost both.

Speaker 16 (47:18):
Look, I think if Matthew Guy is the answer, it's
a pretty bad question to be honest with you, Peter.
I mean, he's a look, put his decent flog, put
that aside. But he's been leader twice, he's been thumped twice.
You can't make a supplay rise three times, I think
when it comes to mister Guy.

Speaker 7 (47:34):
But the other side of it is I think he's
part of the problem, not the solution.

Speaker 16 (47:38):
I think the Victorian Parliamentary Liberal Party is a dog's
breakfast of incompetence, of extinct.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
Volcanoes who had their day.

Speaker 16 (47:45):
And I think that Matthew Guy and a number of
others who are elected before twenty ten, when the Ted
Vayue won the election, they've been.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
There for prayer. But they're so used to being in opposition.

Speaker 16 (47:55):
That's all they can do, that's all they can think about.
I think it's important that the party room in Victoria
if we're going to actually make Victoria a viable alternative
in terms of governance, in terms of a change of
regime if you like, but more in terms of the.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
Significance Victoria to Australia.

Speaker 16 (48:13):
We need to get Victoria and it's Liberal party right,
and I think the party room needs a clean out.
The organization needs a cleanout. Members need to be given
a reason to stay and good people need to be
given a reason to join.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
Mary. Just on the meeting that was canceled today with.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Donald Trump and the Prime Minister, your leader's been fairly critical.
She's saying that the government's not handled this relationship very well.
I mean, you're in a farming community. I know farmers
want relief on this tariff issue. What do you make
of today?

Speaker 14 (48:48):
Well, look, it's one area where I really wish the
Australian government success. I don't want to see Australia fail
in better negotiating good outcomes in the national interest. Here
I spent the morning at the Ladna Park steer trial.
We have a very big beef farming community across the
Monash electorate. This is an important issue for us. But

(49:10):
it is not just today that, unfortunately the Prime Minister
is not being able to secure or this week a
meeting with Donald Trump. I mean this should have been
in the pipeline months and months ago. There should have been,
I think that much more comfert an effort on the
ground to address this.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
I agree with you, Mary, I'll leave it there. Thank
you both. Andrew Bolts updexed