June 19, 2025 • 48 mins
The PM's astronomical travel bill revealed, the MAGA movement fractures over the conflict in the Middle East. Plus, a stark energy warning is issued for Victoria.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Quody, all right, Well, he can't get on a plane
in Washington to meet the president, but the PM can
and does go almost everywhere else. His travel bill made
public today. It is astronomical. I'll reveal what you're paying
in the moment. Another start warning about our perilous energy state.
The CEO of one of our largest energy companies warns
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of Victorians could be in for a long and very
cold winter, a real risk that heating could be turned off. Plus,
speaking of our energy miss you might be paying to
charge an electric car even if you don't own one.
There's a massive battle going on right now over who
should bear the cost, and expert will walk us through
how Chris Bowen wants it all to work and live
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to the Middle East. As the world watches Donald Trump's
next move and what too of his base. The Mega
movement is fractory. Have a direct us involvement in Iram.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I may do it, I may not do it. I mean,
nobody knows what I'm going to do. I can tell
you there's that Aram's got a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But first tonight, the Administrative Committee of the Victorian Liberal
Party will consider former leader John Perzzuto's bid to get
a multimillion dollar bailout loan from the party to repay
his court order debt to Moradeeming after he was found
by the federal court to have defamed his colleague.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
What I can say is that tonight's an opportunity to
square that off and put it all behind it, and
I hope that's what we do.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Mora said that she believes the party will continue to
annihilate her.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
What do you make of those comments. I think everybody
just wants to work together, and I think there is
broad support right across the membership and in the community
for us to work together.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Is it the loan?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
The loan Perzudo wants is not from a bank because
he won't put up his home as security. It's from
the Liberal Party. Even though Liberal Party presidents Greg Mirabella
in the current incumbent Phil Davis, have said on multiple
occasions that not one dollar from Liberal Party funds would
be used by either Perzuto or Deeming for that matter. Indeed,
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so incensed were members about this possibility, Davis only won
his electioned as president after a public commitment to rule
it out.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
And yet here we are.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But he is not the only one who has said
party funds would never be used in what's essentially a
private matter between two colleagues. John Pizuto himself said in
November twenty twenty three that he would not seek any
Liberal Party funds. He said an I quota will not
be asking the party to cover any legal fees, and
that public commitment was also backed up officially when Perzuto
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fronted the Administrative Committee, the very same mob who were
meeting tonight, to put it on the record that he
would not seek or accept party funds. Now, if in doubt,
check the mist The date was two years ago, Thursday,
the thirty first of August twenty twenty three. And yet
again here we are a lawyer who clearly doesn't keep
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his word, appealing to a president who made a commitment
he wouldn't get a dollar or they're both in the
room tonight as the party deliberates handing over millions and
not their money, mind you, it is millions of dollars
that belongs to the volunteers who are the unsung heroes
of the Victorian Liberal Party.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Now worrying Lee.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Reports today that Persudo's successor as leader. Brad Batten supports
this loan not because he's a fan of Perzuto, but
because he doesn't want to face a by election for
Perzuto's seat, which will happen if he can't pay his
debt and Persuto is bankrupted. Now fair enough, few people
want to see Perzuto bankrupted either, But no political party
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should be frightened of an election because fighting and winning
elections is precisely what political parties exist to do. But
what political parties are.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Not is a bank. Whoever heard of a political.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Party that was in the business of giving its senior
members loans, especially those who behave badly expelled colleagues and
lose big in court. And my suspicion is that Baton's
also trying to plicate Pozuto's supporters, namely the so called
moderates in the party room. But there how are they
going to become his supporters just because he caved in
on something like this.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
And if he.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Does cave in, he will wear the anger of the
rank and file who are deeply unhappy with this whole business.
I mean, even now, after being out of power for
the better part of twenty five years, this is the
Victorian Liberal party that is still focused on itself, not
the voters who are desperate for change. A party room
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of malcontents still are intent on scoring points against each
other instead of working together to save Victorians from a
government that wants to tack them into oblivion. Now, in
the end, this is Persudo's mess of his own making.
So spooked was he by Daniel Andrews that he acted irrationally,
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expelled and defamed a colleague, and by refusing to settle
the case when he could, he went to court and
he lost. Can you imagine the party bailing out Deeming
if she had lost you I.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Will take that as a director of boots of general judgment.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Well, of course they wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Sorry, John, you've made your bed now line it. In
another blow too for transactivism, the United States Supreme Court
has just held that an American state is within its
rights to legislate against giving puberty blocking drugs to confuse children.
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Two years ago, the Tennessee legislature ban gender transition treatments
for miners. The law was then challenged by three transgender youths,
their parents, and a Memphis doctor, who argued that it
had amounted to sex discrimination. Now, the highest court in
the United States has ruled that outlawing gender treatments for
miners does not offend human rights principles, and why wooden
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tools shouldn't a court have ruled that way? I mean,
it's not a violation of a young person's rights to
prevent them from buying alcohol or cigarettes, or to have
sex or drive a car, because we don't think young
people are sufficiently mature to make decisions of that nature.
So how on earth can we allow miners to decide
to take life changing drugs or have their breasts remove
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or sex organs altered, especially given that so many of
these confused children have significant mental health issues. This isn't
the first judicial pushback against transactivism that swept the anglosphere
in the past decade. Two months ago, Britains Spreme Court
unanimously ruled that a biological man could not at law
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be a woman, thus ending any right the biological man
might otherwise have had to invade women's sports and women's
safe spaces simply by identifying as a woman. And in
an earlier case this month, a federal court judge here
in Australia criticized our national treatment guidelines for trans and
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gender diverse children for its assumption that children could readily
make potentially life altering decisions. The case of the mothers,
said Judge Andrew Strum, is that because the child says so,
the child is and must unquestionably be affirmed as being
female engender. However, he said that overlooks the obvious, namely.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
That the child is still a child.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now, notwithstanding these common sense statements and decisions from the
bench in three countries now, the health establishment here in
Australia still maintains that a woman who says she's a
man is a man, and that a man who says
he's a woman is a woman, and that a child
who claims to be trapped in the wrong body should
be given potentially life changing drugs and even irreversible surgery.
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I'm all in favor of trans people being treated with
respect and not facing discrimination, but this idea that the
rights of trans people trump the rights of everyone else
or the human rights of children is just plain wrong.
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All right, let's go to Camber now for the headlines.
Skyni's political reporter cam Redden.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Good evening efforts our building to evacuate Australians caught in
the conflict between Israel and Iran.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
If we are able to will we will assist. But
at this stage there are very hard limits on what
the government can do.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
A small bus load of Australians made it out of
Israel yesterday, but windows to escape are narrow and unpredictable.
Around twelve hundred Ozzies in Israel and fifteen hundred in
Iran have registered for assistance.
Speaker 9 (09:05):
The Department is working on trying to assist more people
over the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Is it going to finish?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It felt like it came to a colmway, but it's
still really intense, and this morning it's actually the worst
that's happened since it started.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
The government has hit the reset button on attempts to
reform Australia's environmental laws.
Speaker 10 (09:27):
So we've all got an interest in solving this challenge together.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
New Minister Murray what convening a stakeholder round table in
Canberra in attempt to break the impass.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Clearly, not everything has been solved.
Speaker 11 (09:40):
Clearly, there are still areas of disagreement that we'll need
to work through.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
The most controversial piece of the puzzle remains a proposed
watchdog to enforce the laws, to be known as the
Environmental Protection Agency. Labor has so far rejected calls to
insert a climate trigger into the bill, which could allow
the body to effectively veto a project its carbon footprint
was too large.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I've got an open mind at this early stage about
exactly what the scope and exactly what the powers of
an EPA would be.
Speaker 10 (10:08):
You can't have environment laws without considering the climate pollution.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
For a fifth consecutive month, Australia's unemployment rate remains steady
at four point one percent.
Speaker 12 (10:21):
Our government is firmly focused on making sure that we're
creating jobs, that we keep unemployment low and at the
same time bringing inflation down.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra, all.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Right, plenty to get across tonight, joining me out and
there's not a quota in sight. These wonderful women, Media
commentator Caroly Katz and Varnas and broadcaster Dennie Dunlevy, welcome
to you.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Both.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Fear is that Jim Chalmers is laying a bit of groundwork,
not for tax reform, that's the euphemism, but for tax increases,
and I think it's pretty much soak the rich Caroly,
what do you make of this?
Speaker 10 (10:57):
Sure is Peter, Well, just a few weeks ago, you know,
before we went to the election, he said how fantastic
the budget was and there was no need for any
of this. And now as we see, the budget is.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Not as it should be.
Speaker 10 (11:07):
But we've also got to remember all the promises that
Labor made during the election. Now there's a price to pay.
I'm not singling out students, but all this wiping of
hexstet well, now we're paying the price for it as well.
It's going to cripple Australia. And I think you know,
Jim Chalmers, he's selling a lot of lies to Australians.
I'm now wondering whether we're actually going to get that
cup of coffee that he promised before the election with
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his tax cuts.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And if you're in the state of Victoria, I mean
there are some states that are already drowting in taxes,
let alone a layer of additional federal tax Absolutely.
Speaker 13 (11:37):
Yeah, I'm sorry, reader, I'm not to Peter. I'm sorry
a little across that story.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
It's tough though, isn't it. You know, taxes going up everywhere?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yes, indeed, yeah, talk to me about the Victorian crime stats,
because I know you've got your head deep in this podcast. Indeed,
get to that in a moment we saw that vision,
we might have something to go to the screen there
now Northland Shopping Mall terrorized by youths, not once, but twice.
There was some machety attacks. Stolen Land cruiser was driven
through there yesterday.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
We can see that on the screen.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Victoria Police has released their stats out there today to
say they've had the highest number of arrests in their
one hundred and seventy two year history, some seventy six
thousand people over the past year, more than two hundred
arrests per day. You might feel safe here in those stats,
but not in Victoria, because an arrest doesn't mean a
conviction and it certainly doesn't mean they're even put on remark.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Well, today the.
Speaker 13 (12:34):
Person who was arrested over that awful attack at Northland
where a car was driven through the shopping center faced
court and we find out that this person apparently was
disqualified at the time.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
So it again comes back to.
Speaker 13 (12:46):
This question that we don't have deterrence in place, and
I don't think that particular incident can be blamed on
either the police or the shopping center. I don't think
there's anything that they necessarily could have done more. The
police were on scene very quickly. It comes back to
the fact that we need more police. We have a
shortage of them still at least a thousand positions open
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at the moment, and the police probably need more resources
so that there are more deterrents, more police. How long
since you've ever seen a police person on the beat.
You don't see that anymore. And if we had more
of a police presence on our streets and these things
wouldn't be happening.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And we also want some backbone in our courts too,
because that's the issue that police say they get them
into the courtroom but there's not a conviction, or they are,
as I say, put out on bail and they repeat,
repeat their offenses.
Speaker 10 (13:34):
And it's a core group. We saw with their Shaddy
attack at Northlands just a couple of weeks ago that
the six people responsible were already out on bail and
it's just this directive that was given by the Allen
Labor government to direct magistrates to actually give bail to
these offenders. I mean, six people have been killed in
Victoria in the last year due to these repeated offenders,
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the recidivous group that just keep doing this and it's
not good. The public is fed up, you know. For
the Premier is center Alan to always say there's no
youth crime crisis and now we've got the post and
post laws and all we're tightening it. They no, they're not.
They've weakened it. You know, they were warned by the police.
We've gone through three police commissioners right already. We've got
a gentleman coming, mister Bush coming from New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
But that's not going to actually fix it.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
The Allen government were actually told not only by the
state opposition, but by the police themselves not to go
down this route with the bail laws, and they did
and it's just a complete mess. Roll on November twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right, let's stay with the crime theme and adding a
bit of thuggery and go to the CFMU because they
lost their big case at the High Court yesterday. This
now the government says, gives them license to clean out
the union.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
But I'll tell you what they can try all they like.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Labor still takes their money and unless they put back
the watchdog, the ABCC.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
They're kidding themselves, aren't they Yet?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
They are And I saw that Denita Warned from the
Master Builders Association actually encapsulates what is needed and an
independent industry regulator, you know, just to remind the viewers
because we always got rapid speed, you know, in this
world now, but in twenty twenty two, dismantling the Australian
Building and Construction Commission was one of the very first
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things that labor did. This is the price that is
to be paid.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
You know.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Mark IRVINGKC, the you know, the administrator in charge. Now
he's got a hell of a job in front of him.
We see that he's going to go after a specific
core group of Queensland CFMAU officials. But what I want
to say is that we keep we keep hearing about
all these people that are involved in this. It's a
lot of talk, but where's the action. They keep saying
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that they keep uncovering these alleged under underworld bikey links.
Where are the arrests actually being made. There haven't been
any arrests that are made. It's an absolute web and
it needs to be It needs to be cleaned up.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And I think people particularly in Sydney and Melbourne and
watching these gangland waters way out in suburban streets in
the middle of the day. We saw the attack in
a kebab shop just the other day in Sydney and
a gentleman involved there doesn't look like he'll walk. In
the case of some of these Victorian stabbings, there's a
bloke now we don't think he will survive. I mean,
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this is where we've escalated to, in broad daylight, where
innocent Bisanders are caught up in some of this crime. Interestingly,
today two things collided for me. One the international rankings
for our universities and we have slipped too busy on protesting,
not enough on tutorials. Would be my guest there, but
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I think that's a real shame because we pride ourselves
as an export education country.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Is a clever country. Well clearly we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Then the call from a national education body that we've
got to start teaching kindness in school now, I think
kind of starts in the home. I think kinder starts
everywhere but the schoolroom. But I feel for teachers. We
keep loading all this stuff that we as a community
and families should be doing into the curriculum but if
you think you'll make a kid kind by, you know,
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one lesson on Thursday afternoon once a week, you're kidding yourself.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Well, I don't know if I agree with you one
hundred percent.
Speaker 13 (17:09):
I do agree with you that in the home is
where these values are taught, from where it should start.
But I don't see that it has to be one
or the other. I think that can be enhanced by
what they're being taught at school. And there is I
think some benefit to teaching kids something when they're surrounded
by other kids, because they tend to move in packs
and do what each other.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
But it is better than everything you do at school.
Why does it happen?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know their call is for a specific client kindness class.
I mean, don't you want the teacher to pull them
up in the classroom, pull them up in the playground
like kindness is embedded in everything.
Speaker 13 (17:42):
Not as a class as such as what you're saying,
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I don't know that it has to be that.
Speaker 13 (17:47):
I think, yes, those values should be they should be
being taught those things, you know, outside of actual class time.
But I also believe that what they are taught in school,
whether it be the basics, the reading, writing, arithmetic, or
whether it are these values of kindness and getting along
with other people and being a decent person. Those are
characteristics which will make them as employable, as some of
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the book learn and as Jethrow would say on Beverly Hillbillies.
So I actually think it sounds crazy. It sounds like
a waste of time, But I don't think it is.
I think it's going to turn out people who are
better people. And this again comes back to the university rankings.
One of the things that the rankings were done on
was how employable these university graduates are. And I do
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wonder whether you know therese are hot beds of activism,
whether these young people are coming out of universities as good,
decent people, or whether they're angry, shouty people that are
not employable. And that's then dropped Australia down those rankings.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
You reckon, well, I reckon with the kindness. It doesn't
matter what you do if it's not backed up at
home with family values and good community values, it is
actually a waste of time. What on earth has gone
on in a kid's life between zero and seven years
old for them to be our to get to school
to actually need this. And I've already seen the buzz
term is they're going to teach kids to be upstanders
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if you're a nice kid. I mean, I like to
think we're all upstanders. But I also agree with you.
I think the curriculum is just too overfull, and I
want my kids to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, the basics.
That's what's simple.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I have no problem with it across the board, right, Yeah,
when you walk into the classroom, how you behave in
the playground, Fine, that's embedded, just like speaking nicely to people,
and you know, sticking up for yourself and having an opinion.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I think all of these things.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You want kids to be articulate and confident, but it's
not a standalone subject. For God's sake, we have not
failure across the board at the basics.
Speaker 10 (19:39):
However, maybe some parents could have a kind.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well maybe the class teachers, Yes.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
The classes for the parents.
Speaker 13 (19:47):
Some parents are at the end of their tether and
they're busy, and they're run off their feet trying to
make ends. Me should some of them working several jobs,
you know, with the cost of living the way it is,
and you know, how do they have time to do
all these in Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I got to make time. You gotta make time.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
One point nine million dollars is Kevin Rudd's travel bill.
Can you believe that? I mean, this is have to
be a record for a prime minister. And this is
just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of
other costs that are not in that public published figure.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
DD what do you make of this? Well do you
me and Kevin Rudd? Or And it's easy he liked
to travel too. I'm getting having my little brand snap
before just jumped across to you. This has got be baffled.
Speaker 13 (20:33):
If the Prime minister, look, he obviously sees the value
of a face to face meeting. Someone could teach him
how to use zoom if they wanted to cut that
bill a little bit. If he loves a face to
face meeting so much, how has he not found his
way to Washington. Donald Trump, who he probably should be
talking to at this point, has a very open doors policy.
Every other person in the world, from children right through
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to you know, Mark Zuckerberg. Everyone's been into the office
and had a chat. Why has Anthony Abernesi not been there?
He clearly doesn't have a problem with flying. Is there
an answer to question?
Speaker 6 (21:08):
No, what do you think?
Speaker 10 (21:10):
I think when you've got an ambassador Kevin Rudd for
Australia that wrote what he wrote about Trump on the
social media, I think you're right down the pecking order.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
But the thing is Trump is very forgiving.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
We've seen him have big blow ups with people in
the past and he can still you sit with that
person and sort their differences out. So the fact that
Anthony Alberzi has said less than flattering things, the fact
that Kevin Rudd has said lefts and flattering things about
Donald Trump, doesn't mean he's going to lock them out
of a meeting. So there's something else stopping out from
getting there. Hey, just quickly your podcast, You've got another
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episode just dropped. Monday was the final episode in this series.
But Peter and thank you very much for helping to
push the story along. There's a bit happening behind the
scenes which I'm not able to talk about as yet.
I wish that the Police Minister, Anthony Carbines would listen
to my request and grant me a request for an interview.
Emails have gone unanswered, and Darryl Floyd, the guy at
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the center of this story who's digging in a gold
mine for his brother's remains, has not had any news
from the police minister now that he can have the
funding to do that.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
So I wish he will.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Stay watch it, will stay across it, and we will
watch what happens with carbines.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Thank you both. There you go.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You can go to the Boy in the gold Mine
podcast I love it, you will love it too, or
right after the Brave Victoria. It's cold anyway, but it
could be a long cold winter if the heading goes off.
That's a real risk, says Powered Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Class.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Will touch base with our energy expert Net zero opponent
Robert Brice is in Barnstorms, Australia on his speaking tour.
Welcome back still to come. Hey, are you going to
pay for an EV via a charge even if you
don't have an electric vehicle? Certainly that's Chris Bowen's plan.
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Now to a morning Today from the boss of Australia's
largest electricity transmission company, Transgrid, CEO, Brett Redman has issued
a bit of a cold shot warning save Victoria's greed
to so stretch that there's a real risk of power failure.
Joining me is someone who's been sounding the alarm on
energy policy for decades and is in Australia as part
of a sellout speaking tour. Robert Bryce is an author,
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filmmaker and energy expert who spent three decades writing about power,
politics and innovation. Robert, great to have you back on
the program. Welcome to a winter in Australia. I've got
to get your comments on the domestic politics of those
remarks today from the boss of transcried. It doesn't get
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any more grim than that, I think, in the middle
of winter, to be told that the lights could go
out and the heat to go off as well.
Speaker 11 (23:44):
It is remarkable and the timing is amazing that here
you have the head of the biggest transmission operator in
Australia sounding the alarm and Peter, I've been in Australia
now for almost two weeks and I've been following the
headline's been following the news, and I guess I just
wonder how many warnings do you need before your policy
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makers wake up and smell the coffee. I mean, it's
just remarkable. I thought what Redmond said was he said,
I'm quoting here. The risk to transition is that people
lose confidence in the system. You think their power prices
are going up dramatically. And remember it was just last
week in Victoria that the state ran through thirteen percent
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of their gas in just three days because the alt
energy didn't produce the amount of energy or electricity that
they expected and the thermal plants were down. So again,
how many warnings do you need?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
What do you make of us as a country?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Given all the uranium we have given, all the guests
we have given, all the call we have that we
are in this predicament.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You know, Peter, That's what I've been saying.
Speaker 11 (24:54):
And you know I spoke in Perth, and in Brisbane
and Melbourne, I was here, spoke in Sydney here last night,
and that's been what I know, the message I've been delivering,
which is, I mean, truly, what is.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Wrong with you Australians.
Speaker 11 (25:05):
You have natural resources that are the envy of the
rest of the world. You're the Saudi Arabia of the
Southern hemisphere. You export seven times more coal than you consume,
and yet you don't want to burn coal. You have
nearly thirty percent of the world's uranium, and you won't
build nuclear reactors. You export three times more natural gas
in the form of energy than you consume, and you
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won't drill for gas.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, I just don't get it. I love Australia.
Speaker 11 (25:32):
I think it's an amazing country, but your policy is
just baffling.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So when you put it to the audience like that,
and I make the point too, there are Australians that
absolutely are struggling to pay their bills, that are making
choices about going to bed early because I can't afford
to put the heater on. In a first world country
like this, what sort of feedback you're getting from your
audience when you put these facts on the table.
Speaker 11 (25:59):
Well, now, look, I'm here as a guest at the
Institute of Public Affairs, and of course their audiences are
going to be inclined towards my messaging.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
But you know that audience is just part of it.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
What I've seen in the newspapers and tracking what your
own news media is doing a pretty good job of
reporting on what's happening here. But the disconnect is between
what the news media is reporting and there. Like I said,
I think they're doing a good job, and that Albinisi
government's insistence on these ideas about net zero again how
many warnings do you need? There was a really remarkable
(26:31):
story that the ABC published was on Tuesday about the
problems in Western Australia, pointing out that there's a I
think there's a three hundred and ten megawatt gas plant
called nu Gen that may shut down because they can't
make money because of all the subsidized solar in Western Australia.
And this again is in Western Australia where they're planning
to shutter all their cold plants by twenty twenty nine,
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and short term electricity prices have gone up seventy four
percent just in the last three years. I mean, it
really is Again. I want the best for Australia. I've
got no dog in this fight, but it just is
incredible to see how bad the policy here is here
in such a resource rich country.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's certainly made headlines here that Labour's Tony Blair, former
Prime Minister Orobocy of the UK has come out and said,
you know, I've got to call that net and zero.
It's not going to happen when you walk away from
net and zero. We see countries around the world doing it.
We're certainly getting elements of the Conservative Party here at
branch level moving motions. Some of the states are moving
motions saying we're going to dump net zero. You know,
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if you still want to have net zero on the table,
you really have to have a conversation about nuclear. We're
having looking overseas and people are having that conversation and
moving towards nuclear and all the other big First world economies.
We're not having that conversation here in Australia. What do
you make of that?
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Again, this is one of the they're baffling parts of
what is happening here. And I'm adamantly pro nuclear. Have
been saying the same thing for more than fifteen years.
Even if you're not serious about climate change and that's
not a concern for you, natural gas to nuclear is
the way forward. Australia is a long way away, even
if you repealed your ban on nuclear from deploying new reactors.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But you're right.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
In the US, there's a lot of momentum toward new
nuclear power. Poland just did a deal and signed an
agreement with Westinghouse to build three ap one thousands. Those
are gigawatt scale reactors. France is moving forward with nuclear.
The German government, the new German government as indicating they
may restart their nuclear reactors. So I see there's more
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energy realism in the rest of the world, and unfortunately
it hasn't for some reason, it hasn't come all the
way down Under yet.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I hope you have at least shaken some of us up, Robert,
because I think it's incredibly important about having this country
I've gone the next few months. Thank you for joining
us again. I know a lot of you at home
have loved seeing Robert on the program. If you go
to Robert Bryce dot substack dot com, that's the place
you go to get all of your updates. Just go
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to sub stack and look for Robert Bryce. Let's gone
out to Israel. Australians there are trying to flee, I
mean the rising conflict in the Middle East, but they
have slammed the government's evacuation efforts. The Department of Foreign
Affairs and Trade have been described as absolutely shambolic. On
Wednesday morning local time, Australians were given only fifty five
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minutes notice that there would be a bus leaving Tel Aviv. Now,
according to lat's figures, it's about twelve hundred Australians in Israel.
That want to come home, and about fifteen hundred in
Iran registered with DEFAT. Jot toy Now, someone who is
on the ground, you's got your correspondent, Sophie Elsworth coming
to us tonight from Tel Aviv. I'll tell you what
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so if you get around those evacuation efforts sound like
one heck of a metz.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Well, Peter, Yes, they have been a heck of a mess.
Speaker 14 (30:04):
The handling of this by DEFAT has been completely shambolic.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Yesterday were given just fifty.
Speaker 14 (30:10):
Five minutes notice that they were to get on a
bus here at the Intercontinental.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
In Tel Aviv to be able to leave Israel.
Speaker 14 (30:19):
Now fifty five minutes to pack their bags, say goodbye
to their family and friends and get down to Century
Tel Aviv. But it's very hard to get around here
at times, not forgetting that there's alarms going off. It's
a very tense situation, and there's been people here really
disappointed with the handling of it. But I'm at the
hotel now, Peter, and there's about fifty people about to
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be loaded onto a bus and taken to the border
of Jordan to go on to flights from Amman in
Jordan to get out of here.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
And I've just spoken to some people on the ground
who just.
Speaker 14 (30:55):
Relieved Peter that there's an exit strategy because it's very
tense here at the moment. Why it looks beautiful here,
It's a beautiful, glorious thirty degree day. There's no doubt
people are very anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Hey, I'm interested to know how difficult it was for
you to get into Israel from Europe.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
So, Peter, I flew from London via Doha and then
into a Man.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
I had to be driven to the border of Israel
and Jordan.
Speaker 14 (31:25):
Obviously there were very strict checkpoints there, not a lot
of people obviously heading into Israel.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
I was then loaded onto a bus with dozens of others.
Speaker 14 (31:34):
And we had to wait about an hour at the
border to cross on this bus from the Georginian side
to the Israeli side and then go through checkpoints there again.
So it did take a long time to get here,
you know, to be reporting here from what's going on
on the ground, but you know, it is a stressful
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situation for people. And there's many Australians now talking to
people at the hotel saying act just saying, we can't
even get out of here.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
We don't know when we're going to get out of here.
We just want to go home.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah, just quickly. I'm keen to get a sense of
the mood. I know people I've spoken to over the
weekend we're literally in and out of bomb shelters.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
For most of the night.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's a sad reality in Israel that almost every dwelling,
every home, every restaurant at every hotel has got a
bomb shelter. How thing has been there since you arrived.
Speaker 14 (32:29):
Well, we've been running into bomb shelters, Peter. You know,
we've been running into underground card parks.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
I've had it.
Speaker 14 (32:35):
Happen several times since I arrived to you just twenty
four hours ago.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Our phones are going off constantly with alerts. We're all
monitoring alerts from the various services to keep up to date.
Speaker 14 (32:47):
And Peter, now just behind me, the bus has arrived,
so the Australians are now loading up to make their
way out of here. So there's no doubt it's a
very stressful situation for many people.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Well, I appreciate you joining us. Please stay safe, Sophie.
We love you dearly. We'll catch up soon, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
How home owners could cop the cost of charge electric vehicles,
whether they own an EV or not. That's coming out,
Plus Chris Bowen's ideological fuel efficiency standards will drive up
costs for consumers.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I'll explain why.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Welcome back Paul Kennybuke's federal labor over any suggestion that
China is Australia's strategic threat. We'll get to that in
a moment, and that car crash interview with Ted Cruz
and Taker Carlson. But first to the showdown between electricity
contractors and networks over the cost associated with curbside electric
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vehicle chargers. Now they're expected to boost profits to the
tune of around ten billion dollars, which will be a
cost of consumers, whether you own an EV or not.
Here to discuss as a more senior mattering journalists, Paul Gover.
I know this is a bit complicated, but you're the expert,
and I want everyone to understand what is going on
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because these costs are enormous.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
What's happening here.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Paul, Well, there's a proposal to allow networks to build
the infrastructure for car charging, which sounds like a great idea,
except that everybody who's tried to do this as a
private company has pretty much not made a profit. So
you've got to be asking yourself, why does somebody want
to spend all this money on infrastructure that we don't
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need and that is focused in a very narrow area.
It's obviously a profit grab by somebody, and at the
end of the day, the people are going to have
to pay for this are not the people who drive
electric cars. It's the people who don't drive electric cars
who are going to be paying for infrastructure they don't want.
And a lot of people would say they don't need.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And of course if they charge their car, if they
have an ev at himeh home on their own power
network attached to their household, or they'll be paying at home,
but they'll also be paying an overall grid sense for
power on the street that they may never use.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, they're talking about twenty two thousand of these charge
points now, apart from the fact that there's a huge
cost to roll them out, plus the fact that they'll
have to upgrade power stations and substations to provide the power.
If you look at the sales rate of electric cars
in Australia at the moment, it's less than ten percent
of the annual sales, so that's about twelve about one
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hundred and twenty thousand cars there is, and that's nationally.
This is one state we're talking about. I have no
idea why somebody want to do this unless the bean
counters in the background have found a way to make
a nice, tidy profit out of charging everybody for the
same sort of thing as the wires and poles part
of your electricity bill.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And there's also something else in relation to EV's and
I think we've got to talk to often enough so
people understand it. I was not long ago on the
Western Highway, which is the Bellarette Road Melbourne to Adelaide,
and I tell you what, you could not take your
eyes off the road the entire time I was dodging potholes.
I mean it was quite a stressful drive. And all
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the way down the highway there are a couple of
cars pulled over at various points and had completely blown
out to their rims. And I saw going there and
coming back, you know, trucks ready to take cars away
that they couldn't even be repaired on the road side.
So our roads are crooked right across the country. But
if you've got an EV, you're not paying anything to
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help fix the MARU. But if you drive a petrol
car or diesel car, you're being stung to repair our roads.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
That's you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
The other thing, Peter, is these evs are actually doing
more damage.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
An EV can.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Bear with a combustion car is three to four hundred
kilos heavier, so they weigh as much as the small
truck some of these things, and there are quite a
lot of them, and they're up in the two point
four two point five ton range. So not only are
they not paying, they're also by definition, because of their weight,
they're doing more damage to the roads.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Now, there were some stats out the other day that
said Australia's car dealerships, about four thousand of them, are
going to be two billion dollars worse off over the
next five years because of these fuel efficiency standards from
Chris Bowen. And we all know who'll end up paying
for that. It'll be passed on to us when we
buy a new car. Is there any chance the government's
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going to wake up and rescind these rules or change
them in a way that takes cost of living in
to the equation, Because I understand they're supposed to kick
in on the first of July.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, the measurement starts on the first of July. The
penicleies are further down the track. But the whole problem
with this is what they're trying to do is socially
engineer us into cars that they think are better for
the economy and for better for the environment. But the
fact of the matter is people in Australia are buying
pickup trucks and SUVs and those will not A lot
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of them won't get under the threshold point for these
new emissions targets, and there are a vast number of them.
What that means is there are somebody's going to have
to pay a penalty to the federal government at some point,
and businesses, car companies and also dealers and even people
who are buying cars are going to have to make
decisions about how much they're prepared to put up with.
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The problem with this is the federal government's just been
re elected, so mister Bowen is going to proceed on
his merry way thinking that he's got a mandate for this.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
What potentially is going.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
To happen is there going to be thousands of dollar
price increases on these vehicles because they're trying to skew
what people buy and the murder industry. I've been doing
this for more than forty years. The one thing you
learn is you have to learn to listen to the consumers,
and no matter what you provide or how tasty it is,
consumers will make their final decision. And at the moment,
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the consumers of automobiles in this country are not voting
towards the policies of the government with this sort of
pollution tax, and once the reality starts to buite for
dealers and car buyers, there's going to be a huge
shock around the motor industry in the second half of
this year.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You must be listening to my Bitch and Moto over
the weekend, Paul, because my car is about six years
old due to be turned over to a new version
of it, and I go into the dealership. I've currently
got a beautiful three Leader six cylinder diesel and they're
telling me I can either have an EV or a
crappy four cylinder two Leader of the same make, and
I say, no, thank you, I'll stay exactly where I am.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Because they are caught out.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
By this cap and I've got no option, but and
I drive country miles. I want a decent car. There
you go walking with my fate, as Paul says, we will.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Let's go to the break now after break that car
crash interview and Paul Kenning is back. Welcome back, well,
as I promised you a car crash interview. Today, US
Republican Senator of Ted Cruz found himself in a bit
of strife with Tacker Carlson over the conflict in the
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Middle East?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
How many people living around?
Speaker 15 (40:29):
By the way, I don't know the population at all. No,
I don't know the population. You don't know the population
of the country you seek to topple. Why is it
relevant whether it will because ninety million or eighty million
or one hundred million, Because if you don't know anything
about the country, I didn't say I don't know anything
about Okay, what's the ethnic mix?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Super run.
Speaker 15 (40:47):
They are Persians and were predominantly Shia. Okay, not even
you don't know anything about Iran. So okay, I'm not
the Tucker Carlson mixed bird on I ran, you're.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
A center who's calling from as the one about the country?
Speaker 6 (41:03):
Now?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Unedifying there for cruise. But I have to say I
back him in he says the world cannot walk away
from what Israel is doing on the world's behalf in
relation to Iran and it's nuclear arsenal. But heck, it
could have been better prepared for the interview. It certainly
wasn't well briefed. But it points to a broader fracturing
inside Trump's mega base, with some on the right becoming
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much more isolationists than the United States has been in
the past. Don't be now to discuss this in more
Scyniesh contributed Kosher Gada, the past chair of the Parliament's
Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby, Well, Kosher, you
know the point I'm made there about the splintering of
the base. Obviously lack of preparedness, but broadly, I think
this is the fight for the US to be and
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we're not talking about boots on the ground. We're talking
about wiping out the Iranian nuclear arsenal and who can
be against that.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Yes, this is exposing a fault line pea that is fundamental.
I would say it actually has run long throughout US history,
right from the founding fathers, World War two, Vietnam. Of course,
everything that happened in the Middle least over the last
twenty five years and now this, and in large part
Trump's rise has been about being a peace naic, non interventionalist,
focusing on domestic issues. However, life happens, and this has happened.
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This is the reality right now. He's also pragmatised. He's
weighing up the calculation. I think the base is firmly
aligned on not wanting to get dragged into another forever war.
That ship has definitely sailed and the support is not there.
When we start talking about taking out the nuclear arsenal,
these so called buster busting bombs, bunker busting bombs.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Excuse me, etc.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
There, I think you do see a little bit more
nuanced and there are people coming over to his side.
That is a calculation he's making. Can he do something strategically,
tactically but very restrained and contained that will not spill
out into the US getting sucked into boots on the
ground for twenty years because that appetite is not there.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And I think let's pick out what Cruz had to
say he was walking through the Congress holes and he
makes that very distinction.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Have listened.
Speaker 15 (43:03):
I agree with President Trump that Iran with a nuclear
weapon is an unacceptable resk to America and we need
to stop it.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
Not the right brab there.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I wanted to show him walking through the Congress there,
but he makes the point that this isn't boots on ground, Michael.
This is something that we all need to particularly us
in the West. We all need to be on the
same page here, and we can't go as far as
we have gone now. I won't say William and Israel's
done the heavy lifting to get to this point and
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squib it at the end and walk away, Michael and
leave Iran with the arsenal intact.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
I mean, we've got to go right through now and
finish the job.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Described Carson as a kook the other day in a tweet,
he excluded Tulsi Gabbard from Camp David after she made
another kooky broadcast, saying that only the Warmers wanted to
do something about Iran. No one is suggesting that there
be any infantry or boots on the ground. That would
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be a bad idea. Most of them are even shying
away from saying they're in favor of regime change. But
the Israelies had the intelligence that at the last minute,
the Uranians were rushing towards a nuclear weapon. Can anyone
doubt it? From Penny Wong to Tulsi Gabbard after seeing
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a one tun ballistic missile land deliberately on Bearsheba's Serok
hospital just a few hours ago, God helped the world.
If these Iranian mullers had an afmbomb to tip their
ballistic missiles with.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I got to ask you what's going on inside labor
because earlier this week we saw a rare breakout of
sanity from Defense Minister Richard Miles who said Australia would
play a key role in any potential US China conflict
in the Pacific region. Well, you know that's the bleeding obvious.
We've got a thing called the Answers Treaty that would
require that.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
But that's prompted Paul Keening.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
To come out, who has now accused Miles of quote
a careless betrayal of Australian independence. Keating says that China
has no intention of threatening US.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Michael I love Paul Keating's rants. Gary Gray, the former
National Secretary, described him as Captain Wacki and you should
see it just as theater Peter. It's so funny. I mean,
he's rants in the inner City about the architecture of
Sydney and the landscapes, etc. You should you should watch
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them that this is not serious, Richard Miles himself, if
you ask me, is not serious. What we really need
to do is increase our defense spending, not because the
Americans demand us to, but because the Chinese Navy is
circumnavigating Australia. And Paul Keating is a lovely theatrical person
in his red slip, because he's a complete irrelevance and
(46:02):
you should just see him as Gary Gray did as
Captain Wacky.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
All right, talk to me, Kosher about our prime minister
doing the diplomatic equivalent of a stalking boyfriend left to
the altar in Canada by the US President. He's now
going to come home to Australia for a couple of days,
one day maybe, and then race across to NATO and
hope that he probably catches the President in the toilet
or in a corridor somewhere.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
I mean, I think it's unedified.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Clearly his officers spooked about some sort of over off
a showdown right that they don't want that sort of theater.
But given we're seven months on from the Donald Trump
reelection in November, our bloke has never met this bloke,
Our bloc has said plenty of nasty stuff about him.
Are you surprised Australia hasn't done enough to have this
face to face meeting, you know, calm the ego of
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the president and get some of our issues dealt with promptly.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
Well a little bit, and that was quite the metaphor
of pea.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I think that imagery is sticking in people's minds, trying
to chase them around the world and get that meeting.
When we've had one hundred days over here, all sorts
of people have gone in. Yes, you know, you don't
know what you're walking into when you walk into the
lion's den of the White House. We've seen that. But
you've got to grab the bull by its horns. It
is a friendly relationship, one hundred year partnership. There are
issues that Australia brings to the table that are of.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Interest to Trump.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Do you have a trade surplus, the positions geographically in
this part of the world, proximity to China, et cetera.
There's plenty that can be used here, and it doesn't
come across as being particularly strong if you're not being
proactive about getting a meeting and trying to at least
frame some sort of a trade deal on your terms,
even if you don't hold all the cards.
Speaker 6 (47:44):
Say Michael, I'm sorry, Oh, I was just going to
bring you in.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I think we're about the anyone left in the I
the J twenty that has not had that feist device
many and Peter.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It's becoming really dangerous now. So imagine he goes to
Brussels and he's dateless again. Then he has to go
back to Washington and try and sit in the Zelensky chair.
This is all being built up to an extent that's
causing a crisis between the two countries that is absolutely
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unnecessary and could have been handled in a much better way.
People have to blame Elbow and Wong for jeopardizing our
relationship with a country where you may not like the president.
But Keirs Starma has shown that the labor government, even
that sends staff to work against Trump's reelection, can repair
the relationship. Behave like adults and generate the relationship between
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the two countries that a great country like Australia deserve.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
I got to leave it there.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Thank you very much, Michael, thank you Kosher, thank you,
my love, your audience. I'll see you on Monday. That's
it for me.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Have a good weekend.
Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Quody, all right, Well, he can't get on a plane
in Washington to meet the president, but the PM can
and does go almost everywhere else. His travel bill made
public today. It is astronomical. I'll reveal what you're paying
in the moment. Another start warning about our perilous energy state.
The CEO of one of our largest energy companies warns
(00:30):
of Victorians could be in for a long and very
cold winter, a real risk that heating could be turned off. Plus,
speaking of our energy miss you might be paying to
charge an electric car even if you don't own one.
There's a massive battle going on right now over who
should bear the cost, and expert will walk us through
how Chris Bowen wants it all to work and live
(00:52):
to the Middle East. As the world watches Donald Trump's
next move and what too of his base. The Mega
movement is fractory. Have a direct us involvement in Iram.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I may do it, I may not do it. I mean,
nobody knows what I'm going to do. I can tell
you there's that Aram's got a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But first tonight, the Administrative Committee of the Victorian Liberal
Party will consider former leader John Perzzuto's bid to get
a multimillion dollar bailout loan from the party to repay
his court order debt to Moradeeming after he was found
by the federal court to have defamed his colleague.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
What I can say is that tonight's an opportunity to
square that off and put it all behind it, and
I hope that's what we do.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Mora said that she believes the party will continue to
annihilate her.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
What do you make of those comments. I think everybody
just wants to work together, and I think there is
broad support right across the membership and in the community
for us to work together.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Is it the loan?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
The loan Perzudo wants is not from a bank because
he won't put up his home as security. It's from
the Liberal Party. Even though Liberal Party presidents Greg Mirabella
in the current incumbent Phil Davis, have said on multiple
occasions that not one dollar from Liberal Party funds would
be used by either Perzuto or Deeming for that matter. Indeed,
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so incensed were members about this possibility, Davis only won
his electioned as president after a public commitment to rule
it out.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
And yet here we are.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But he is not the only one who has said
party funds would never be used in what's essentially a
private matter between two colleagues. John Pizuto himself said in
November twenty twenty three that he would not seek any
Liberal Party funds. He said an I quota will not
be asking the party to cover any legal fees, and
that public commitment was also backed up officially when Perzuto
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fronted the Administrative Committee, the very same mob who were
meeting tonight, to put it on the record that he
would not seek or accept party funds. Now, if in doubt,
check the mist The date was two years ago, Thursday,
the thirty first of August twenty twenty three. And yet
again here we are a lawyer who clearly doesn't keep
(03:10):
his word, appealing to a president who made a commitment
he wouldn't get a dollar or they're both in the
room tonight as the party deliberates handing over millions and
not their money, mind you, it is millions of dollars
that belongs to the volunteers who are the unsung heroes
of the Victorian Liberal Party.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Now worrying Lee.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Reports today that Persudo's successor as leader. Brad Batten supports
this loan not because he's a fan of Perzuto, but
because he doesn't want to face a by election for
Perzuto's seat, which will happen if he can't pay his
debt and Persuto is bankrupted. Now fair enough, few people
want to see Perzuto bankrupted either, But no political party
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should be frightened of an election because fighting and winning
elections is precisely what political parties exist to do. But
what political parties are.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Not is a bank. Whoever heard of a political.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Party that was in the business of giving its senior
members loans, especially those who behave badly expelled colleagues and
lose big in court. And my suspicion is that Baton's
also trying to plicate Pozuto's supporters, namely the so called
moderates in the party room. But there how are they
going to become his supporters just because he caved in
on something like this.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
And if he.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Does cave in, he will wear the anger of the
rank and file who are deeply unhappy with this whole business.
I mean, even now, after being out of power for
the better part of twenty five years, this is the
Victorian Liberal party that is still focused on itself, not
the voters who are desperate for change. A party room
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of malcontents still are intent on scoring points against each
other instead of working together to save Victorians from a
government that wants to tack them into oblivion. Now, in
the end, this is Persudo's mess of his own making.
So spooked was he by Daniel Andrews that he acted irrationally,
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expelled and defamed a colleague, and by refusing to settle
the case when he could, he went to court and
he lost. Can you imagine the party bailing out Deeming
if she had lost you I.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Will take that as a director of boots of general judgment.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Well, of course they wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Sorry, John, you've made your bed now line it. In
another blow too for transactivism, the United States Supreme Court
has just held that an American state is within its
rights to legislate against giving puberty blocking drugs to confuse children.
(05:56):
Two years ago, the Tennessee legislature ban gender transition treatments
for miners. The law was then challenged by three transgender youths,
their parents, and a Memphis doctor, who argued that it
had amounted to sex discrimination. Now, the highest court in
the United States has ruled that outlawing gender treatments for
miners does not offend human rights principles, and why wooden
(06:20):
tools shouldn't a court have ruled that way? I mean,
it's not a violation of a young person's rights to
prevent them from buying alcohol or cigarettes, or to have
sex or drive a car, because we don't think young
people are sufficiently mature to make decisions of that nature.
So how on earth can we allow miners to decide
to take life changing drugs or have their breasts remove
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or sex organs altered, especially given that so many of
these confused children have significant mental health issues. This isn't
the first judicial pushback against transactivism that swept the anglosphere
in the past decade. Two months ago, Britains Spreme Court
unanimously ruled that a biological man could not at law
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be a woman, thus ending any right the biological man
might otherwise have had to invade women's sports and women's
safe spaces simply by identifying as a woman. And in
an earlier case this month, a federal court judge here
in Australia criticized our national treatment guidelines for trans and
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gender diverse children for its assumption that children could readily
make potentially life altering decisions. The case of the mothers,
said Judge Andrew Strum, is that because the child says so,
the child is and must unquestionably be affirmed as being
female engender. However, he said that overlooks the obvious, namely.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
That the child is still a child.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now, notwithstanding these common sense statements and decisions from the
bench in three countries now, the health establishment here in
Australia still maintains that a woman who says she's a
man is a man, and that a man who says
he's a woman is a woman, and that a child
who claims to be trapped in the wrong body should
be given potentially life changing drugs and even irreversible surgery.
(08:13):
I'm all in favor of trans people being treated with
respect and not facing discrimination, but this idea that the
rights of trans people trump the rights of everyone else
or the human rights of children is just plain wrong.
(08:34):
All right, let's go to Camber now for the headlines.
Skyni's political reporter cam Redden.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Good evening efforts our building to evacuate Australians caught in
the conflict between Israel and Iran.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
If we are able to will we will assist. But
at this stage there are very hard limits on what
the government can do.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
A small bus load of Australians made it out of
Israel yesterday, but windows to escape are narrow and unpredictable.
Around twelve hundred Ozzies in Israel and fifteen hundred in
Iran have registered for assistance.
Speaker 9 (09:05):
The Department is working on trying to assist more people
over the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Is it going to finish?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It felt like it came to a colmway, but it's
still really intense, and this morning it's actually the worst
that's happened since it started.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
The government has hit the reset button on attempts to
reform Australia's environmental laws.
Speaker 10 (09:27):
So we've all got an interest in solving this challenge together.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
New Minister Murray what convening a stakeholder round table in
Canberra in attempt to break the impass.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Clearly, not everything has been solved.
Speaker 11 (09:40):
Clearly, there are still areas of disagreement that we'll need
to work through.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
The most controversial piece of the puzzle remains a proposed
watchdog to enforce the laws, to be known as the
Environmental Protection Agency. Labor has so far rejected calls to
insert a climate trigger into the bill, which could allow
the body to effectively veto a project its carbon footprint
was too large.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I've got an open mind at this early stage about
exactly what the scope and exactly what the powers of
an EPA would be.
Speaker 10 (10:08):
You can't have environment laws without considering the climate pollution.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
For a fifth consecutive month, Australia's unemployment rate remains steady
at four point one percent.
Speaker 12 (10:21):
Our government is firmly focused on making sure that we're
creating jobs, that we keep unemployment low and at the
same time bringing inflation down.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra, all.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Right, plenty to get across tonight, joining me out and
there's not a quota in sight. These wonderful women, Media
commentator Caroly Katz and Varnas and broadcaster Dennie Dunlevy, welcome
to you.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Both.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Fear is that Jim Chalmers is laying a bit of groundwork,
not for tax reform, that's the euphemism, but for tax increases,
and I think it's pretty much soak the rich Caroly,
what do you make of this?
Speaker 10 (10:57):
Sure is Peter, Well, just a few weeks ago, you know,
before we went to the election, he said how fantastic
the budget was and there was no need for any
of this. And now as we see, the budget is.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Not as it should be.
Speaker 10 (11:07):
But we've also got to remember all the promises that
Labor made during the election. Now there's a price to pay.
I'm not singling out students, but all this wiping of
hexstet well, now we're paying the price for it as well.
It's going to cripple Australia. And I think you know,
Jim Chalmers, he's selling a lot of lies to Australians.
I'm now wondering whether we're actually going to get that
cup of coffee that he promised before the election with
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his tax cuts.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And if you're in the state of Victoria, I mean
there are some states that are already drowting in taxes,
let alone a layer of additional federal tax Absolutely.
Speaker 13 (11:37):
Yeah, I'm sorry, reader, I'm not to Peter. I'm sorry
a little across that story.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
It's tough though, isn't it. You know, taxes going up everywhere?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yes, indeed, yeah, talk to me about the Victorian crime stats,
because I know you've got your head deep in this podcast. Indeed,
get to that in a moment we saw that vision,
we might have something to go to the screen there
now Northland Shopping Mall terrorized by youths, not once, but twice.
There was some machety attacks. Stolen Land cruiser was driven
through there yesterday.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
We can see that on the screen.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Victoria Police has released their stats out there today to
say they've had the highest number of arrests in their
one hundred and seventy two year history, some seventy six
thousand people over the past year, more than two hundred
arrests per day. You might feel safe here in those stats,
but not in Victoria, because an arrest doesn't mean a
conviction and it certainly doesn't mean they're even put on remark.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Well, today the.
Speaker 13 (12:34):
Person who was arrested over that awful attack at Northland
where a car was driven through the shopping center faced
court and we find out that this person apparently was
disqualified at the time.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
So it again comes back to.
Speaker 13 (12:46):
This question that we don't have deterrence in place, and
I don't think that particular incident can be blamed on
either the police or the shopping center. I don't think
there's anything that they necessarily could have done more. The
police were on scene very quickly. It comes back to
the fact that we need more police. We have a
shortage of them still at least a thousand positions open
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at the moment, and the police probably need more resources
so that there are more deterrents, more police. How long
since you've ever seen a police person on the beat.
You don't see that anymore. And if we had more
of a police presence on our streets and these things
wouldn't be happening.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And we also want some backbone in our courts too,
because that's the issue that police say they get them
into the courtroom but there's not a conviction, or they are,
as I say, put out on bail and they repeat,
repeat their offenses.
Speaker 10 (13:34):
And it's a core group. We saw with their Shaddy
attack at Northlands just a couple of weeks ago that
the six people responsible were already out on bail and
it's just this directive that was given by the Allen
Labor government to direct magistrates to actually give bail to
these offenders. I mean, six people have been killed in
Victoria in the last year due to these repeated offenders,
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the recidivous group that just keep doing this and it's
not good. The public is fed up, you know. For
the Premier is center Alan to always say there's no
youth crime crisis and now we've got the post and
post laws and all we're tightening it. They no, they're not.
They've weakened it. You know, they were warned by the police.
We've gone through three police commissioners right already. We've got
a gentleman coming, mister Bush coming from New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
But that's not going to actually fix it.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
The Allen government were actually told not only by the
state opposition, but by the police themselves not to go
down this route with the bail laws, and they did
and it's just a complete mess. Roll on November twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right, let's stay with the crime theme and adding a
bit of thuggery and go to the CFMU because they
lost their big case at the High Court yesterday. This
now the government says, gives them license to clean out
the union.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
But I'll tell you what they can try all they like.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Labor still takes their money and unless they put back
the watchdog, the ABCC.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
They're kidding themselves, aren't they Yet?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
They are And I saw that Denita Warned from the
Master Builders Association actually encapsulates what is needed and an
independent industry regulator, you know, just to remind the viewers
because we always got rapid speed, you know, in this
world now, but in twenty twenty two, dismantling the Australian
Building and Construction Commission was one of the very first
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things that labor did. This is the price that is
to be paid.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
You know.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Mark IRVINGKC, the you know, the administrator in charge. Now
he's got a hell of a job in front of him.
We see that he's going to go after a specific
core group of Queensland CFMAU officials. But what I want
to say is that we keep we keep hearing about
all these people that are involved in this. It's a
lot of talk, but where's the action. They keep saying
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that they keep uncovering these alleged under underworld bikey links.
Where are the arrests actually being made. There haven't been
any arrests that are made. It's an absolute web and
it needs to be It needs to be cleaned up.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And I think people particularly in Sydney and Melbourne and
watching these gangland waters way out in suburban streets in
the middle of the day. We saw the attack in
a kebab shop just the other day in Sydney and
a gentleman involved there doesn't look like he'll walk. In
the case of some of these Victorian stabbings, there's a
bloke now we don't think he will survive. I mean,
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this is where we've escalated to, in broad daylight, where
innocent Bisanders are caught up in some of this crime. Interestingly,
today two things collided for me. One the international rankings
for our universities and we have slipped too busy on protesting,
not enough on tutorials. Would be my guest there, but
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I think that's a real shame because we pride ourselves
as an export education country.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Is a clever country. Well clearly we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Then the call from a national education body that we've
got to start teaching kindness in school now, I think
kind of starts in the home. I think kinder starts
everywhere but the schoolroom. But I feel for teachers. We
keep loading all this stuff that we as a community
and families should be doing into the curriculum but if
you think you'll make a kid kind by, you know,
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one lesson on Thursday afternoon once a week, you're kidding yourself.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Well, I don't know if I agree with you one
hundred percent.
Speaker 13 (17:09):
I do agree with you that in the home is
where these values are taught, from where it should start.
But I don't see that it has to be one
or the other. I think that can be enhanced by
what they're being taught at school. And there is I
think some benefit to teaching kids something when they're surrounded
by other kids, because they tend to move in packs
and do what each other.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
But it is better than everything you do at school.
Why does it happen?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know their call is for a specific client kindness class.
I mean, don't you want the teacher to pull them
up in the classroom, pull them up in the playground
like kindness is embedded in everything.
Speaker 13 (17:42):
Not as a class as such as what you're saying,
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I don't know that it has to be that.
Speaker 13 (17:47):
I think, yes, those values should be they should be
being taught those things, you know, outside of actual class time.
But I also believe that what they are taught in school,
whether it be the basics, the reading, writing, arithmetic, or
whether it are these values of kindness and getting along
with other people and being a decent person. Those are
characteristics which will make them as employable, as some of
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the book learn and as Jethrow would say on Beverly Hillbillies.
So I actually think it sounds crazy. It sounds like
a waste of time, But I don't think it is.
I think it's going to turn out people who are
better people. And this again comes back to the university rankings.
One of the things that the rankings were done on
was how employable these university graduates are. And I do
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wonder whether you know therese are hot beds of activism,
whether these young people are coming out of universities as good,
decent people, or whether they're angry, shouty people that are
not employable. And that's then dropped Australia down those rankings.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
You reckon, well, I reckon with the kindness. It doesn't
matter what you do if it's not backed up at
home with family values and good community values, it is
actually a waste of time. What on earth has gone
on in a kid's life between zero and seven years
old for them to be our to get to school
to actually need this. And I've already seen the buzz
term is they're going to teach kids to be upstanders
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if you're a nice kid. I mean, I like to
think we're all upstanders. But I also agree with you.
I think the curriculum is just too overfull, and I
want my kids to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, the basics.
That's what's simple.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I have no problem with it across the board, right, Yeah,
when you walk into the classroom, how you behave in
the playground, Fine, that's embedded, just like speaking nicely to people,
and you know, sticking up for yourself and having an opinion.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I think all of these things.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You want kids to be articulate and confident, but it's
not a standalone subject. For God's sake, we have not
failure across the board at the basics.
Speaker 10 (19:39):
However, maybe some parents could have a kind.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well maybe the class teachers, Yes.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
The classes for the parents.
Speaker 13 (19:47):
Some parents are at the end of their tether and
they're busy, and they're run off their feet trying to
make ends. Me should some of them working several jobs,
you know, with the cost of living the way it is,
and you know, how do they have time to do
all these in Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I got to make time. You gotta make time.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
One point nine million dollars is Kevin Rudd's travel bill.
Can you believe that? I mean, this is have to
be a record for a prime minister. And this is
just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of
other costs that are not in that public published figure.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
DD what do you make of this? Well do you
me and Kevin Rudd? Or And it's easy he liked
to travel too. I'm getting having my little brand snap
before just jumped across to you. This has got be baffled.
Speaker 13 (20:33):
If the Prime minister, look, he obviously sees the value
of a face to face meeting. Someone could teach him
how to use zoom if they wanted to cut that
bill a little bit. If he loves a face to
face meeting so much, how has he not found his
way to Washington. Donald Trump, who he probably should be
talking to at this point, has a very open doors policy.
Every other person in the world, from children right through
(20:57):
to you know, Mark Zuckerberg. Everyone's been into the office
and had a chat. Why has Anthony Abernesi not been there?
He clearly doesn't have a problem with flying. Is there
an answer to question?
Speaker 6 (21:08):
No, what do you think?
Speaker 10 (21:10):
I think when you've got an ambassador Kevin Rudd for
Australia that wrote what he wrote about Trump on the
social media, I think you're right down the pecking order.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
But the thing is Trump is very forgiving.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
We've seen him have big blow ups with people in
the past and he can still you sit with that
person and sort their differences out. So the fact that
Anthony Alberzi has said less than flattering things, the fact
that Kevin Rudd has said lefts and flattering things about
Donald Trump, doesn't mean he's going to lock them out
of a meeting. So there's something else stopping out from
getting there. Hey, just quickly your podcast, You've got another
(21:41):
episode just dropped. Monday was the final episode in this series.
But Peter and thank you very much for helping to
push the story along. There's a bit happening behind the
scenes which I'm not able to talk about as yet.
I wish that the Police Minister, Anthony Carbines would listen
to my request and grant me a request for an interview.
Emails have gone unanswered, and Darryl Floyd, the guy at
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the center of this story who's digging in a gold
mine for his brother's remains, has not had any news
from the police minister now that he can have the
funding to do that.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
So I wish he will.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Stay watch it, will stay across it, and we will
watch what happens with carbines.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Thank you both. There you go.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You can go to the Boy in the gold Mine
podcast I love it, you will love it too, or
right after the Brave Victoria. It's cold anyway, but it
could be a long cold winter if the heading goes off.
That's a real risk, says Powered Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Class.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Will touch base with our energy expert Net zero opponent
Robert Brice is in Barnstorms, Australia on his speaking tour.
Welcome back still to come. Hey, are you going to
pay for an EV via a charge even if you
don't have an electric vehicle? Certainly that's Chris Bowen's plan.
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Now to a morning Today from the boss of Australia's
largest electricity transmission company, Transgrid, CEO, Brett Redman has issued
a bit of a cold shot warning save Victoria's greed
to so stretch that there's a real risk of power failure.
Joining me is someone who's been sounding the alarm on
energy policy for decades and is in Australia as part
of a sellout speaking tour. Robert Bryce is an author,
(23:14):
filmmaker and energy expert who spent three decades writing about power,
politics and innovation. Robert, great to have you back on
the program. Welcome to a winter in Australia. I've got
to get your comments on the domestic politics of those
remarks today from the boss of transcried. It doesn't get
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any more grim than that, I think, in the middle
of winter, to be told that the lights could go
out and the heat to go off as well.
Speaker 11 (23:44):
It is remarkable and the timing is amazing that here
you have the head of the biggest transmission operator in
Australia sounding the alarm and Peter, I've been in Australia
now for almost two weeks and I've been following the
headline's been following the news, and I guess I just
wonder how many warnings do you need before your policy
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makers wake up and smell the coffee. I mean, it's
just remarkable. I thought what Redmond said was he said,
I'm quoting here. The risk to transition is that people
lose confidence in the system. You think their power prices
are going up dramatically. And remember it was just last
week in Victoria that the state ran through thirteen percent
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of their gas in just three days because the alt
energy didn't produce the amount of energy or electricity that
they expected and the thermal plants were down. So again,
how many warnings do you need?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
What do you make of us as a country?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Given all the uranium we have given, all the guests
we have given, all the call we have that we
are in this predicament.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You know, Peter, That's what I've been saying.
Speaker 11 (24:54):
And you know I spoke in Perth, and in Brisbane
and Melbourne, I was here, spoke in Sydney here last night,
and that's been what I know, the message I've been delivering,
which is, I mean, truly, what is.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Wrong with you Australians.
Speaker 11 (25:05):
You have natural resources that are the envy of the
rest of the world. You're the Saudi Arabia of the
Southern hemisphere. You export seven times more coal than you consume,
and yet you don't want to burn coal. You have
nearly thirty percent of the world's uranium, and you won't
build nuclear reactors. You export three times more natural gas
in the form of energy than you consume, and you
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won't drill for gas.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, I just don't get it. I love Australia.
Speaker 11 (25:32):
I think it's an amazing country, but your policy is
just baffling.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So when you put it to the audience like that,
and I make the point too, there are Australians that
absolutely are struggling to pay their bills, that are making
choices about going to bed early because I can't afford
to put the heater on. In a first world country
like this, what sort of feedback you're getting from your
audience when you put these facts on the table.
Speaker 11 (25:59):
Well, now, look, I'm here as a guest at the
Institute of Public Affairs, and of course their audiences are
going to be inclined towards my messaging.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
But you know that audience is just part of it.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
What I've seen in the newspapers and tracking what your
own news media is doing a pretty good job of
reporting on what's happening here. But the disconnect is between
what the news media is reporting and there. Like I said,
I think they're doing a good job, and that Albinisi
government's insistence on these ideas about net zero again how
many warnings do you need? There was a really remarkable
(26:31):
story that the ABC published was on Tuesday about the
problems in Western Australia, pointing out that there's a I
think there's a three hundred and ten megawatt gas plant
called nu Gen that may shut down because they can't
make money because of all the subsidized solar in Western Australia.
And this again is in Western Australia where they're planning
to shutter all their cold plants by twenty twenty nine,
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and short term electricity prices have gone up seventy four
percent just in the last three years. I mean, it
really is Again. I want the best for Australia. I've
got no dog in this fight, but it just is
incredible to see how bad the policy here is here
in such a resource rich country.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's certainly made headlines here that Labour's Tony Blair, former
Prime Minister Orobocy of the UK has come out and said,
you know, I've got to call that net and zero.
It's not going to happen when you walk away from
net and zero. We see countries around the world doing it.
We're certainly getting elements of the Conservative Party here at
branch level moving motions. Some of the states are moving
motions saying we're going to dump net zero. You know,
(27:37):
if you still want to have net zero on the table,
you really have to have a conversation about nuclear. We're
having looking overseas and people are having that conversation and
moving towards nuclear and all the other big First world economies.
We're not having that conversation here in Australia. What do
you make of that?
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Again, this is one of the they're baffling parts of
what is happening here. And I'm adamantly pro nuclear. Have
been saying the same thing for more than fifteen years.
Even if you're not serious about climate change and that's
not a concern for you, natural gas to nuclear is
the way forward. Australia is a long way away, even
if you repealed your ban on nuclear from deploying new reactors.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But you're right.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
In the US, there's a lot of momentum toward new
nuclear power. Poland just did a deal and signed an
agreement with Westinghouse to build three ap one thousands. Those
are gigawatt scale reactors. France is moving forward with nuclear.
The German government, the new German government as indicating they
may restart their nuclear reactors. So I see there's more
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energy realism in the rest of the world, and unfortunately
it hasn't for some reason, it hasn't come all the
way down Under yet.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I hope you have at least shaken some of us up, Robert,
because I think it's incredibly important about having this country
I've gone the next few months. Thank you for joining
us again. I know a lot of you at home
have loved seeing Robert on the program. If you go
to Robert Bryce dot substack dot com, that's the place
you go to get all of your updates. Just go
(29:12):
to sub stack and look for Robert Bryce. Let's gone
out to Israel. Australians there are trying to flee, I
mean the rising conflict in the Middle East, but they
have slammed the government's evacuation efforts. The Department of Foreign
Affairs and Trade have been described as absolutely shambolic. On
Wednesday morning local time, Australians were given only fifty five
(29:33):
minutes notice that there would be a bus leaving Tel Aviv. Now,
according to lat's figures, it's about twelve hundred Australians in Israel.
That want to come home, and about fifteen hundred in
Iran registered with DEFAT. Jot toy Now, someone who is
on the ground, you's got your correspondent, Sophie Elsworth coming
to us tonight from Tel Aviv. I'll tell you what
(29:54):
so if you get around those evacuation efforts sound like
one heck of a metz.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Well, Peter, Yes, they have been a heck of a mess.
Speaker 14 (30:04):
The handling of this by DEFAT has been completely shambolic.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Yesterday were given just fifty.
Speaker 14 (30:10):
Five minutes notice that they were to get on a
bus here at the Intercontinental.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
In Tel Aviv to be able to leave Israel.
Speaker 14 (30:19):
Now fifty five minutes to pack their bags, say goodbye
to their family and friends and get down to Century
Tel Aviv. But it's very hard to get around here
at times, not forgetting that there's alarms going off. It's
a very tense situation, and there's been people here really
disappointed with the handling of it. But I'm at the
hotel now, Peter, and there's about fifty people about to
(30:42):
be loaded onto a bus and taken to the border
of Jordan to go on to flights from Amman in
Jordan to get out of here.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
And I've just spoken to some people on the ground
who just.
Speaker 14 (30:55):
Relieved Peter that there's an exit strategy because it's very
tense here at the moment. Why it looks beautiful here,
It's a beautiful, glorious thirty degree day. There's no doubt
people are very anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Hey, I'm interested to know how difficult it was for
you to get into Israel from Europe.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
So, Peter, I flew from London via Doha and then
into a Man.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
I had to be driven to the border of Israel
and Jordan.
Speaker 14 (31:25):
Obviously there were very strict checkpoints there, not a lot
of people obviously heading into Israel.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
I was then loaded onto a bus with dozens of others.
Speaker 14 (31:34):
And we had to wait about an hour at the
border to cross on this bus from the Georginian side
to the Israeli side and then go through checkpoints there again.
So it did take a long time to get here,
you know, to be reporting here from what's going on
on the ground, but you know, it is a stressful
(31:54):
situation for people. And there's many Australians now talking to
people at the hotel saying act just saying, we can't
even get out of here.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
We don't know when we're going to get out of here.
We just want to go home.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah, just quickly. I'm keen to get a sense of
the mood. I know people I've spoken to over the
weekend we're literally in and out of bomb shelters.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
For most of the night.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's a sad reality in Israel that almost every dwelling,
every home, every restaurant at every hotel has got a
bomb shelter. How thing has been there since you arrived.
Speaker 14 (32:29):
Well, we've been running into bomb shelters, Peter. You know,
we've been running into underground card parks.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
I've had it.
Speaker 14 (32:35):
Happen several times since I arrived to you just twenty
four hours ago.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Our phones are going off constantly with alerts. We're all
monitoring alerts from the various services to keep up to date.
Speaker 14 (32:47):
And Peter, now just behind me, the bus has arrived,
so the Australians are now loading up to make their
way out of here. So there's no doubt it's a
very stressful situation for many people.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Well, I appreciate you joining us. Please stay safe, Sophie.
We love you dearly. We'll catch up soon, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
How home owners could cop the cost of charge electric vehicles,
whether they own an EV or not. That's coming out,
Plus Chris Bowen's ideological fuel efficiency standards will drive up
costs for consumers.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
I'll explain why.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Welcome back Paul Kennybuke's federal labor over any suggestion that
China is Australia's strategic threat. We'll get to that in
a moment, and that car crash interview with Ted Cruz
and Taker Carlson. But first to the showdown between electricity
contractors and networks over the cost associated with curbside electric
(33:45):
vehicle chargers. Now they're expected to boost profits to the
tune of around ten billion dollars, which will be a
cost of consumers, whether you own an EV or not.
Here to discuss as a more senior mattering journalists, Paul Gover.
I know this is a bit complicated, but you're the expert,
and I want everyone to understand what is going on
(34:06):
because these costs are enormous.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
What's happening here.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Paul, Well, there's a proposal to allow networks to build
the infrastructure for car charging, which sounds like a great idea,
except that everybody who's tried to do this as a
private company has pretty much not made a profit. So
you've got to be asking yourself, why does somebody want
to spend all this money on infrastructure that we don't
(34:32):
need and that is focused in a very narrow area.
It's obviously a profit grab by somebody, and at the
end of the day, the people are going to have
to pay for this are not the people who drive
electric cars. It's the people who don't drive electric cars
who are going to be paying for infrastructure they don't want.
And a lot of people would say they don't need.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And of course if they charge their car, if they
have an ev at himeh home on their own power
network attached to their household, or they'll be paying at home,
but they'll also be paying an overall grid sense for
power on the street that they may never use.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, they're talking about twenty two thousand of these charge
points now, apart from the fact that there's a huge
cost to roll them out, plus the fact that they'll
have to upgrade power stations and substations to provide the power.
If you look at the sales rate of electric cars
in Australia at the moment, it's less than ten percent
of the annual sales, so that's about twelve about one
(35:37):
hundred and twenty thousand cars there is, and that's nationally.
This is one state we're talking about. I have no
idea why somebody want to do this unless the bean
counters in the background have found a way to make
a nice, tidy profit out of charging everybody for the
same sort of thing as the wires and poles part
of your electricity bill.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And there's also something else in relation to EV's and
I think we've got to talk to often enough so
people understand it. I was not long ago on the
Western Highway, which is the Bellarette Road Melbourne to Adelaide,
and I tell you what, you could not take your
eyes off the road the entire time I was dodging potholes.
I mean it was quite a stressful drive. And all
(36:21):
the way down the highway there are a couple of
cars pulled over at various points and had completely blown
out to their rims. And I saw going there and
coming back, you know, trucks ready to take cars away
that they couldn't even be repaired on the road side.
So our roads are crooked right across the country. But
if you've got an EV, you're not paying anything to
(36:43):
help fix the MARU. But if you drive a petrol
car or diesel car, you're being stung to repair our roads.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
That's you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
The other thing, Peter, is these evs are actually doing
more damage.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
An EV can.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Bear with a combustion car is three to four hundred
kilos heavier, so they weigh as much as the small
truck some of these things, and there are quite a
lot of them, and they're up in the two point
four two point five ton range. So not only are
they not paying, they're also by definition, because of their weight,
they're doing more damage to the roads.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Now, there were some stats out the other day that
said Australia's car dealerships, about four thousand of them, are
going to be two billion dollars worse off over the
next five years because of these fuel efficiency standards from
Chris Bowen. And we all know who'll end up paying
for that. It'll be passed on to us when we
buy a new car. Is there any chance the government's
(37:40):
going to wake up and rescind these rules or change
them in a way that takes cost of living in
to the equation, Because I understand they're supposed to kick
in on the first of July.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, the measurement starts on the first of July. The
penicleies are further down the track. But the whole problem
with this is what they're trying to do is socially
engineer us into cars that they think are better for
the economy and for better for the environment. But the
fact of the matter is people in Australia are buying
pickup trucks and SUVs and those will not A lot
(38:14):
of them won't get under the threshold point for these
new emissions targets, and there are a vast number of them.
What that means is there are somebody's going to have
to pay a penalty to the federal government at some point,
and businesses, car companies and also dealers and even people
who are buying cars are going to have to make
decisions about how much they're prepared to put up with.
(38:36):
The problem with this is the federal government's just been
re elected, so mister Bowen is going to proceed on
his merry way thinking that he's got a mandate for this.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
What potentially is going.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
To happen is there going to be thousands of dollar
price increases on these vehicles because they're trying to skew
what people buy and the murder industry. I've been doing
this for more than forty years. The one thing you
learn is you have to learn to listen to the consumers,
and no matter what you provide or how tasty it is,
consumers will make their final decision. And at the moment,
(39:10):
the consumers of automobiles in this country are not voting
towards the policies of the government with this sort of
pollution tax, and once the reality starts to buite for
dealers and car buyers, there's going to be a huge
shock around the motor industry in the second half of
this year.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You must be listening to my Bitch and Moto over
the weekend, Paul, because my car is about six years
old due to be turned over to a new version
of it, and I go into the dealership. I've currently
got a beautiful three Leader six cylinder diesel and they're
telling me I can either have an EV or a
crappy four cylinder two Leader of the same make, and
I say, no, thank you, I'll stay exactly where I am.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Because they are caught out.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
By this cap and I've got no option, but and
I drive country miles. I want a decent car. There
you go walking with my fate, as Paul says, we will.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Let's go to the break now after break that car
crash interview and Paul Kenning is back. Welcome back, well,
as I promised you a car crash interview. Today, US
Republican Senator of Ted Cruz found himself in a bit
of strife with Tacker Carlson over the conflict in the
(40:26):
Middle East?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
How many people living around?
Speaker 15 (40:29):
By the way, I don't know the population at all. No,
I don't know the population. You don't know the population
of the country you seek to topple. Why is it
relevant whether it will because ninety million or eighty million
or one hundred million, Because if you don't know anything
about the country, I didn't say I don't know anything
about Okay, what's the ethnic mix?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Super run.
Speaker 15 (40:47):
They are Persians and were predominantly Shia. Okay, not even
you don't know anything about Iran. So okay, I'm not
the Tucker Carlson mixed bird on I ran, you're.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
A center who's calling from as the one about the country?
Speaker 6 (41:03):
Now?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Unedifying there for cruise. But I have to say I
back him in he says the world cannot walk away
from what Israel is doing on the world's behalf in
relation to Iran and it's nuclear arsenal. But heck, it
could have been better prepared for the interview. It certainly
wasn't well briefed. But it points to a broader fracturing
inside Trump's mega base, with some on the right becoming
(41:27):
much more isolationists than the United States has been in
the past. Don't be now to discuss this in more
Scyniesh contributed Kosher Gada, the past chair of the Parliament's
Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby, Well, Kosher, you
know the point I'm made there about the splintering of
the base. Obviously lack of preparedness, but broadly, I think
this is the fight for the US to be and
(41:48):
we're not talking about boots on the ground. We're talking
about wiping out the Iranian nuclear arsenal and who can
be against that.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Yes, this is exposing a fault line pea that is fundamental.
I would say it actually has run long throughout US history,
right from the founding fathers, World War two, Vietnam. Of course,
everything that happened in the Middle least over the last
twenty five years and now this, and in large part
Trump's rise has been about being a peace naic, non interventionalist,
focusing on domestic issues. However, life happens, and this has happened.
(42:20):
This is the reality right now. He's also pragmatised. He's
weighing up the calculation. I think the base is firmly
aligned on not wanting to get dragged into another forever war.
That ship has definitely sailed and the support is not there.
When we start talking about taking out the nuclear arsenal,
these so called buster busting bombs, bunker busting bombs.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Excuse me, etc.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
There, I think you do see a little bit more
nuanced and there are people coming over to his side.
That is a calculation he's making. Can he do something strategically,
tactically but very restrained and contained that will not spill
out into the US getting sucked into boots on the
ground for twenty years because that appetite is not there.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And I think let's pick out what Cruz had to
say he was walking through the Congress holes and he
makes that very distinction.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Have listened.
Speaker 15 (43:03):
I agree with President Trump that Iran with a nuclear
weapon is an unacceptable resk to America and we need
to stop it.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
Not the right brab there.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I wanted to show him walking through the Congress there,
but he makes the point that this isn't boots on ground, Michael.
This is something that we all need to particularly us
in the West. We all need to be on the
same page here, and we can't go as far as
we have gone now. I won't say William and Israel's
done the heavy lifting to get to this point and
(43:37):
squib it at the end and walk away, Michael and
leave Iran with the arsenal intact.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
I mean, we've got to go right through now and
finish the job.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Described Carson as a kook the other day in a tweet,
he excluded Tulsi Gabbard from Camp David after she made
another kooky broadcast, saying that only the Warmers wanted to
do something about Iran. No one is suggesting that there
be any infantry or boots on the ground. That would
(44:08):
be a bad idea. Most of them are even shying
away from saying they're in favor of regime change. But
the Israelies had the intelligence that at the last minute,
the Uranians were rushing towards a nuclear weapon. Can anyone
doubt it? From Penny Wong to Tulsi Gabbard after seeing
(44:28):
a one tun ballistic missile land deliberately on Bearsheba's Serok
hospital just a few hours ago, God helped the world.
If these Iranian mullers had an afmbomb to tip their
ballistic missiles with.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I got to ask you what's going on inside labor
because earlier this week we saw a rare breakout of
sanity from Defense Minister Richard Miles who said Australia would
play a key role in any potential US China conflict
in the Pacific region. Well, you know that's the bleeding obvious.
We've got a thing called the Answers Treaty that would
require that.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
But that's prompted Paul Keening.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
To come out, who has now accused Miles of quote
a careless betrayal of Australian independence. Keating says that China
has no intention of threatening US.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Michael I love Paul Keating's rants. Gary Gray, the former
National Secretary, described him as Captain Wacki and you should
see it just as theater Peter. It's so funny. I mean,
he's rants in the inner City about the architecture of
Sydney and the landscapes, etc. You should you should watch
(45:39):
them that this is not serious, Richard Miles himself, if
you ask me, is not serious. What we really need
to do is increase our defense spending, not because the
Americans demand us to, but because the Chinese Navy is
circumnavigating Australia. And Paul Keating is a lovely theatrical person
in his red slip, because he's a complete irrelevance and
(46:02):
you should just see him as Gary Gray did as
Captain Wacky.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
All right, talk to me, Kosher about our prime minister
doing the diplomatic equivalent of a stalking boyfriend left to
the altar in Canada by the US President. He's now
going to come home to Australia for a couple of days,
one day maybe, and then race across to NATO and
hope that he probably catches the President in the toilet
or in a corridor somewhere.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
I mean, I think it's unedified.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Clearly his officers spooked about some sort of over off
a showdown right that they don't want that sort of theater.
But given we're seven months on from the Donald Trump
reelection in November, our bloke has never met this bloke,
Our bloc has said plenty of nasty stuff about him.
Are you surprised Australia hasn't done enough to have this
face to face meeting, you know, calm the ego of
(46:56):
the president and get some of our issues dealt with promptly.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
Well a little bit, and that was quite the metaphor
of pea.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I think that imagery is sticking in people's minds, trying
to chase them around the world and get that meeting.
When we've had one hundred days over here, all sorts
of people have gone in. Yes, you know, you don't
know what you're walking into when you walk into the
lion's den of the White House. We've seen that. But
you've got to grab the bull by its horns. It
is a friendly relationship, one hundred year partnership. There are
issues that Australia brings to the table that are of.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Interest to Trump.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Do you have a trade surplus, the positions geographically in
this part of the world, proximity to China, et cetera.
There's plenty that can be used here, and it doesn't
come across as being particularly strong if you're not being
proactive about getting a meeting and trying to at least
frame some sort of a trade deal on your terms,
even if you don't hold all the cards.
Speaker 6 (47:44):
Say Michael, I'm sorry, Oh, I was just going to
bring you in.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I think we're about the anyone left in the I
the J twenty that has not had that feist device
many and Peter.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It's becoming really dangerous now. So imagine he goes to
Brussels and he's dateless again. Then he has to go
back to Washington and try and sit in the Zelensky chair.
This is all being built up to an extent that's
causing a crisis between the two countries that is absolutely
(48:19):
unnecessary and could have been handled in a much better way.
People have to blame Elbow and Wong for jeopardizing our
relationship with a country where you may not like the president.
But Keirs Starma has shown that the labor government, even
that sends staff to work against Trump's reelection, can repair
the relationship. Behave like adults and generate the relationship between
(48:43):
the two countries that a great country like Australia deserve.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
I got to leave it there.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Thank you very much, Michael, thank you Kosher, thank you,
my love, your audience. I'll see you on Monday. That's
it for me.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Have a good weekend.
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