April 21, 2025 • 50 mins
Pope Francis dies at the age of 88, and a bombshell report exposes Daniel Andrews’ COVID curfew lie. Plus, Labor’s how to vote cards suggest Anthony Albanese and Adam Bandt have done a secret deal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Petero Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
You've just seen their breaking news out of the Vatican
that Pope Francis, eighty eight year old Pontiff has died.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of course, this is huge news for Catholics.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Right around the world, and it's in and amongst the
Holy Festival of East. We'll come back with any more
news we can get for you out of Italy. A
little ladder in the show is what's coming up on
Kredline with another week in the polls pointing to a
labor minority governments. You only have to look at labors
how to vote cards to know Albany's in band have
already done a secret deal.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Now those how to vote cards do not lie.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'll expose what's on them in a moment. So called
comedian well his social media rans against Peter Dutton or
anything but funny. Hundreds of thousands of dollars been paid
to him by Climate two hundred.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, the jig is well.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Until the South noon, he's been madly trying to delete
what we've discovered. That telegraphs James Willison that exclusive report
coming up last the bombshell FOI request that finally exposes
four and a half years on Daniel Andrew's COVID curfew
was a lie. Now he tried to block it all
the way to the Supreme Court, but he lost. So
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will this impact his best mate Anthony Albanesi? And while
the BM was cocky today, Peter Dutton says there's plenty
of the fight left.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
In the leaps.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
We are the underdog Prime Minister believes that he's won
this election, that he's lining up for number three. But
I think a lot of Astrainers will be asking themselves, well,
has Anthony ALBERANIZI really made my life easier?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Today's News poll confirms it. With early voting opening tomorrow
in less than two weeks now until polling day, the
most likely outcome is a labor minority government. So Anthony
Albanisi back in the lodge and Adam Bant two, perhaps
some Teals as well with the whip hand. Now, I
can't think of anything worse for our country. The Teals
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or they're basically Gucci Greens who pretend they're independent but
operate as any party does. Now the Adam Bant mob, well,
today they're Marxists, aren't they a long way away from
the environmental tree huggers that the Green started out as
in the nineteen seventies. It's hard not to be despondent
for the future of our country. Yet there's still a
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fortnight left, and as the saying goes, even a week
is a long time in politics, let alone too. News
poll today reinforces the previous two polls. It had Labor
ahead fifty two forty eight or two party preferred, slightly
improving its primary vote, albeit of an historically low base.
While this pole has Peter Dutton a better place to
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defend the nation and to grow the economy, overall, his
approval numbers are down, as is his better PM rating.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
A part of.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
The problem of Dutton I suspect is that everyone who's
fed up with the Albanezy government is desperately disappointed that
the opposition isn't landing more blows Dunton, though he's not
ready to throw in the towel, having been there in
twenty ten and twenty nineteen when the Libs were behind
but did better than anyone expected.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I pointed out before in twenty nineteen, I think there
was a big undercurrent of anger against the then government
or the then opposition than people realize. And I think
that's the case against the now government as well. That's
the reality. We've got a long way to go between
now and then. And I think Australians who are looking
at are they better off today than they were three
years ago? I think people, frankly, certainly the ones we've
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met across the country would be saying, actually, you know what,
our lives are much harder today.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Albert easy Well, one look at him today and he
was as cocky as we've ever seen him. Out came
that Medicare card again, even though it's a lie that
the Medicare cards all you need to see a doctor.
Most of us, there's always an out of pocket cost,
something that even the doctor groups caught him out on last.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Week, fifty billion dollars of cuts to health. We know
that the Liberal Party don't believe that anyone values things
which are free. They don't need their credit card, they
just need their Medicare card.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But that's not his only shameless lie.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
A coalition that needs to find carps for its six
hundred billion dollar nuclear plan. When polling bars open tomorrow,
say where the money is coming from for this six
hundred billion dollar nuclear plan.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Six hundred billionaire says, and where does that costing come from?
Not from official government sources. I can tell you. I
wrote that in the Australian newspaper last week. It comes
from an outfit called Smart Energy Council. Not so smart either.
It's linked to Simon Holmes the Court and it's chocol
block full of ex labors staff is at the same
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time as it's registered as a charity.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Something that my colleague Andrew Klanell had labor bother boy Murray,
what on the ropes about?
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Yesterday the Independent Science Agency of this country, the CSIRO,
as well as the Australian Energy Market operator that runs
the energy grid both said that the cheapest way for
Australia to meet its power needs in the future is
through renewables. We haven't engaged some consultant to give us
the advice that we were seeking. This is the independent agencies.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
What's six hundred bion based on it?
Speaker 6 (05:36):
So that's come from the Smart Energy Council, who are
experts in this field and have calculated the total cost
at six hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
It hasn't come from the CSIRO, it hasn't come from
an official body.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
It's come from a lobby group.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Smart Energy Council is a lobby group. It's an energy
renewables lobby group funded in part for more of these
people making money out of renewable energy. And as I said,
chock a block full of ex labor staffers. So this
six hundred billion dollar figure is a labor lie and
it matters because it's been planted on billboards right around
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the country and on flyers being shoved into your letterbox.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
As we speak. And yet is the Prime Minister interested
in the truth? No is not. He couldn't lie straight.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
In bed photos with everyone. Okay in the.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Middle, I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off
the stage, just one leg went down. But I was
I was sweet.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He even lies when it comes to who he barracks for.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
They'd LOLd of the Hawks because you can't change teams.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
So no bandwagon, Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I've been expand for many decades.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Give it up, elbow, no one's buying it.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Liberal canber.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Give me a break.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There are so many issues large and small. When labor
is vulnerable in this campaign. Now in the great scheme
of things. It's not a lot of money. But what
was the Labor National Executive doing, as discussed here with
Claire Chandler on Thursday, rubber stamping a fake pre selection
to disendorse Lyons MP Brian Mitchell so he could then
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claim a taxpayer funded payouts.
Speaker 9 (07:33):
Brian Mitchell said that he was more than happy to
step aside and allow the former State Labor leader Rebecca
White run as the Federal member for Lines. But what
we now find out is that a pre selection process
has taken place by the Labor National Executive which the
Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi sits on and mister Mitchell apparently
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put his hand up for this pre selection and it
was competitive against Ms White. Was mister Mitch standing aside
to allow Miss White to run or has the Labor
Party fabricated some kind of pre selection process in consultation
with the Prime Minister to enable mister Mitchell to pocket
this one hundred and fifteen thousand dollar tax payer payout.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
All for that one hundred thousand dollars payout? What about
the trickiness last week too or negative gearing the PM
denying that Labor had done any work on dumping negative
gearing when the Treasurer had already conceded last year that
they had. Then there's that infamous lie about cutting your
power bills, and then over the weekend another one about
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Russians trying to build a base in Indonesia and who
knew what?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
And when the opposition is asking for a briefing on
something that doesn't exist, I mean they might as well
ask for a briefing on the Locknest monster. This is
something that doesn't exist that they fabricated. Peter Dutton ran
his mouth off and started verbaling and accusing the Indonesian president.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
What the Russia wants to propaganda to be promoted by Australians.
Of course they want propaganda and Russia engages in that.
What I do know is it last week the alternative
Prime Minister of Australia verbaled the President of Indonesia.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Hubris and deception. All this government does is lie when
it's under pressure. Show me where they've.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Made a promise and then kept it. Show me where
Australians are better off after three years of Almit easy labor.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Because you can't. That's the truth of it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Seriously, I can't fathom how anyone could elect them again.
But if something big doesn't happen in the final two
weeks of the campaign, then that's where we are headed.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If you think.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Labor hasn't already done a deal with the Greens, despite
what the Prime Minister says, then think again. Here's the
official Labor Party how to vote cards, quietly uploaded to
their websites ahead of early voting to morrow. Here's the
PM seed of Graindler. He's number one on the ticket,
but number two it's the Greens. Here's the Melbourne seats
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of Melbourne Labor. There Sarah Whittish, she's number one. Who's
number two, Well, none other than the Greens leader Adam Bant.
Here's the Victorian marginal seat of Kranka Mine, Labor again
preferencing the Greens. In the number two spot, Tony Burke,
well he's back in the Greens and number two as well.
Right across the country and seat after seat, Alban Izink
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is giving band Labour's top preference. And in the tail
seats of Wentworth and Cougyong, of course, Labour's preferencing them surprise, surprise.
It goes to show just how green they really are.
Speaker 9 (10:46):
I'm standing on integrity, signed my.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
Petition for a second coed public high school in the East.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm a renewable energy advocate.
Speaker 10 (11:11):
Authorized by Skellen Better Australia, Sydney.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Such frauds.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Let's check check in with the two campaigns today. We'll
start a course with Labor joining me in. Our political
reporter Julia Bradley, Julia, welcome the PM nd of this afternoon,
of course down in Victoria in the seat of McNamara,
but he spent the morning in Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Bit of a frosty reception. What can you tell us.
Speaker 11 (11:38):
It was, Peter, Really a tale of two states for
Anthony Albanezi today the reception has been pretty warm this
afternoon while campaigning in Melbourne, including that Liberal seat of Menzies,
but also the Labor held seat of McNamara. However, very
different story on the New South Wales South coast this
morning when he was campaigning in Gilmore, which the Liberal
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Party is heavily heavily targeting. Now he was there sprooking
Labour's plan to invest in urgent care clinics. We're at
the Bateman's Bay Hospital, but several protests erupted, not directly
targeting the PM. But once he left and already held
that press conference, one woman really unhappy with the state
of housing in that region. To others though, really unhappy
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about the plan to relocate the emergency department at that
hospital further south to Maruya. And that's part of a
multimillion dollar plan to build a new hospital down there.
But these two men telling me that should not happen.
It should remain at Bateman's Bay. There's need for it there.
It shouldn't be twenty minutes further away. Now, this was
part of a decision made under the former state Liberal
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government of which Andrew Constance was a member. Andrew Constance
running for the Liberal Parties federally there in Gilmore. But
he says, and the protest to say, it's now on
labor to fix this, consult with the community and keep
it there.
Speaker 12 (12:57):
Hope it have been long time, lifetime labor members are
changing their vote now. We need a message all the time.
So it was quite simple for the current government, both
state and federal, change your mind about closing this facility
that currently caters for fifty eight percent of all emergency presentations,
and you could get could retain your job here.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Thank you, Julia. I leave it there. Let's go to
Peter Dutton's campaign.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They are in the air, so.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Before they took off, send your political reporter Trinny McIntosh
filed this report.
Speaker 13 (13:29):
Peter, the Opposition leader, has spent much of the day
in and around Melbourne today. He's here just off the
Colder Freeway in the Labor held seat of Gorton. Now,
this is a road upgrade, three hundred million dollars for
an interchange here to help it be a bit easier
for commuters coming off the freeway and onto the local road.
It's actually a funding promise that Labour made in week
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one of the campaign when Richard Mars was standing in
this very same spot where Peter Dutton is now, a
promise that regardless of who wins government, is now going
to go ahead. I've caught in a fascinating one. The
coalition's been here twice in the space of a week.
The retirement of long serving Labor MP Brendan O'Connor part
of the reason why the Liberals believe this seat is vulnerable.
Earlier today, though we spent a lot of time in
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the seat of Dunkley, also held by Labor. One there
in the southeastern suburbs of Melbourne, a community crime forum.
The focus there a seven hundred and fifty million dollar
pledge from the Coalition today for a crackdown on crime nationally.
We did see a political fight today between the Prime
Minister and Opposition leader when it comes to a register
for national sex offenders. So Peter Dutton does want this
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focus now to be on crime ahead of pre polling
which we'll start tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
All right, plenty of other news to get across. Jordan Mousky,
News plitical contributor Chris Jelman. Chris, We've got a lot
of politics in Australia I want to get across. But
of course we'll have politics very soon. Now at the
Vatican with the sudden news this afternoon that the Pope
has Dipope Francis has died at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Of course he has been unwell for time.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I was there when Pope John Paul Young, John Paul Young,
John Paul, the second Big your Pardon, died at Easter
a couple of years ago. This is the second pope
now to die around the Easter period. It's a jubilee
year for Catholics of course, huge crowds will be there
at the Vatican and from this now we'll see a
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conclave and an election. Your thoughts on his legacy because
he is the first Jesuit in many, many, many years
to have such a pivotal role in the church.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But of course he is of the left.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He is quite controversial politically for the Catholic Church.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
What are your thoughts, Yeah, Peter, Well, if you think
politics in Australia between Conservatives and the Labour Party is bad,
you should see church politics. And not saying that I'm
completely cross Vatican politics. But of course Benedict was seen
as being from the left, and there is a left
and right in the Catholic Church and they are very
very divided. After following on from Benedict who has seen
as being very conservative. So that's twelve years ago. We
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know the paper being sick. Now for some time I
was probably surprising the actually got out of hospital, had
double pneumonia and only lasted a few days after getting
out of hospital. And of course those who who follow
his faith and his convictions will now think that he's
going to a better place. But what happens here on
earth is what's going to matter.
Speaker 12 (16:15):
Next.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
In papal elections, I think there are one hundred and
thirty six cardinal electors. I think he has appointed one
hundred and ten of them. So you know your numbers, Peter,
you follow the numbers, and who do you think is
going to be elected as the next pope. It's more
likely to be a progressive than a conservative. It'll be
interesting to see though, whether there are any African candidates.
The church is very strong there and tends to be
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a lot more conservative there, so there'll be a lot
of interesting comings and goings now in and out of
the Vatican as we work our way towards the election
of the next pope. And of course the pope matters
enormously in terms of the direction of the Catholic Church.
So that'll be a fascinating process to watch. And you'd
love to be a fly on the wall there. And
they have played politics harder than anywhere else on earth
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in the Vatican now for well over one thousand years,
so yes, it will be interesting to watch.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, Lah, I might be Catholic, but given my gender
that you're more likely to be the fly on the
wall in the Sisteine Chapel than I'll ever be.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But we'll leave that there. Let's go to Labor pre poll.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We obviously know it's opening up tomorrow, but the how
to vote cards, these have already been distributed or certainly
available on Labour's website and I went through them in
the top of the show. Anthony Albanezi, Well, he's got
his own name there against number one.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
As you'd expect.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But they're preferencing the Greens second in his seat, Likewise
in Tony Burke's seat, and Jason Clare's seat, and a
whole lot of others, even the most senior Jewish MP.
We've got the Attorney General, Mark Dreyfus, he is preferencing
the Greens.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Now, this is extraordinary. Look at the Greens.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
A lot of the Greens are preferencing Labor as well
as their second picks.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
This looks like a deal.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And O the PM says he's not going to do
a deal with the Greens. Not going to do a deal.
I think he's already done a deal.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Oh look, Peter, are you the least bit surprised? And
when we look at the preference flows between the Labor
Party and the Greens, many of those MPs would not
be elected if it wasn't for Green preferences. Now, those
preference flows, in fact have been growing over the years.
I think in twenty nineteen about eighty percent of Green's
preferences went to the Labor Party. I think at the
last election it was up closer to eighty five percent
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of Green's preferences went to the Labor Party. So there
would be many Labor MPs who would simply not get
elected if it wasn't for those Green preferences. And when
we look at what happens with the coalition, the preference
flows from places like One Nation and what was the
UAP at the last election, tend not to be anywhere
near as strong. They do still tend to favor the coalition,
but by nothing like those numbers. I think from One
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Nation the preferences around about sixty or sixty five percent
compared to the eighty five percent which go from the Greens.
So preferences are massively important in the system that we have.
And the way that this works is it was always
going to be follow the numbers, the same as with
the Vatican. How do you think you get elected? You
get the numbers behind you, and that's how you get elected.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That makes it look like the PMS just had all
this faux posturing against the Greens. It looks like, you know,
everything we've heard from him about talking tough is not
worth the paper it's printed on.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Well, and when it gets to forming government, of course
the government will do a deal with the Greens if
it needs to get into government, if it needs the
seats in Parliament, and the only way you can form
government in Australia is to have the seats have the
numbers on the floor of the House of Representatives. So
you're going to have to do some sort of deal
with them. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll have
a formal arrangement as they did last time, because that
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was the death knell of the Gillard government signing that
deal with Bob Brown. But of course they'll have to
be an arrangement. And what we'll see if there is
a minority Labor government that it will be dragged to
the left by the Tills and the Greens on the
cross bench. But you have to say, at the moment, Peter,
the way that things aren't tracking is that this could
be as twenty nineteen that they could be walking that
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goat track to victory, that miracle victory that's got Morrison
had I think Anthony Albanezi is quietly confident that he's
going to pull that off.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He certainly looks confident today.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
There's a real peppinine step and well, we'll see what
happens in the next two weeks. Let's go to this
continuing start show of the prospect of a Russian air
base in Indonesia. A lot of toing and throwing today.
The Prime Minister is still making this an issue because
it's a discrepancy between what he's saying and what senior
ministers are saying. Indeed, Murray what yesterday and Andrew Canell's program.
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But most of all I look to the failure of
the government to allow the coalition are briefing under the
caretaker conventions. Not just the government, I have to say
the public service in Canberra. They are there to administer
the caretaker conventions. The government clearly is blocking any such
briefing and the week old supine public servants are rolling over.
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I think this is a very very bad sign.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Chris yeh.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Again, you know what they say about conventions. It's a convention.
There's nothing that's forcing the government to do this, and
I think that where there's smoke, there's a little bit
of fire here. The initial report came from James Defense Weekly,
which is one of the most respected defense publications in
the world. So you have to assume the fact that
the Russians did ask the question. Now, the Indonesians may
have followed that with a very swift no, but it
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shows an intent from the Russians to get some sort
of toe hold in our neck of the woods and
not very far from Australia. I do see that the
Russian ambassador, I think it was to Jakarta saying that
Australia has no cards to play, and it's hard to
argue with him on that front because we've just seen
recently we don't have the cards to play when it
comes with China, when it laps Australia. We can't keep
up with our own warships. So we're in a very
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weak position at the moment, very difficult times. What does
it tell us. It tells us that we live in
very very interesting times and there are lots of countries
that have an interest in this part of the world
that don't have our best interests at heart. You know,
it was unfortunate that Peter Dutton misspoke when he said
it was the President's officer had confirmed the fact that
there had been a Russian inquiry. There hadn't, It had
been a report. So you know, he's kind of made
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a bit of a rod for his own back with
that one, and you can't can't blame the Labor Party
for bashing him over the head with it.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
We've just got some scenes out in the front of
Saint Peter's ear on the screen for those following the news,
of course, at the Pope. The death of the Pope
has just been announced. News poll overnight, no real change
in two PP terms, an uptick for Labor on their
primary coalition unchanged at thirty five. I mean, thirty five
is not a win for the coalition, that it's something
with a four in front. Yes, there was some talk
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about green shoots, you know, the coalitions ahead on the economy,
the coalitions ahead on defense. But I mean, please, Chris,
if defense is a winner for the coalition, how about
you actually get a policy out there on defense and
national security, Because you know we're opening up for pre
polls tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We still see nothing yet.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Look, Peter, you've been involved with many campaigns, and I've
watched many campaigns, and I don't you know, I don't
exclaim that i'd have a better idea about how they
should run their campaign, but I don't think that this
has been a particularly good one. It seems to me
that there weren't enough policies out early enough for the
Coalition to make its case to the Australian people. You've
got to take into account the fact now that of
course people are voting early, that's starting tomorrow, and that
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we did have this election which was always going to
be interrupted by the holiday season, and that's this week
as well. Don't forget we've got Anzac Day on Friday,
so this week is a short week, and then we've
had all the noise from Donald Trump. So it doesn't
look to me at any stage like the Coalition has
had any rhythm. They have been going backwards in the
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polls from the beginning of this campaign. They've had to
ditch policies, and they've lost at least one politician. So
if you're going backwards on all those front sides, it's
hard for me to see how you could ever hope
to win this election. What they need to do is
to get a whole lot closer than where they are now.
They have to make this a contest. They have to
force the Labor Party into minority government and have enough
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seats to be a big noise the next time round.
But if they allow the Labor Party to win majority
government that I think that the next story is going
to be about what goes on in the coalition, not
the election campaign.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
This is six hundred billion dollar figure Labour saying that's
the cost of Dutton's nuclear plan in about thirty years time.
Despite being an absolute fans a full time frame. The
cost is fanciful. It's a lobby group with charitable status,
packed full of Labour staffers, as I've said, and others
in it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's not a credible figure.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It's not official government costings or Treasuries numbers worked up.
But I've seen a lot of the material that's going
into marginal seats and it's referenced in every one of
them to say Dutton needs this much money to pay
for the nuclear plan, so cut to coming your way.
This can't stand as any sort of campaign truth. It's
a massive scare campaign. But the Prime Minister's repeating it
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every single day.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Chris. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Look, even if they were trying to report the Smart
Energy Council Zone dodgy figures, they would have said that
the Smart Energy Council had estimated between one hundred and
sixteen billion dollars and up to six hundred billion dollars.
And of course all those numbers were bigged up by
the Smart Energy Council, which represents wind and solar interests
and of course doesn't want nuclear energy in Australia, even
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though if you want to get to net zero, you're going.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
To have to have it.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
So now that stuff ever actually adds up to me,
except it's pushing the interests of its members, and the
interests of its members at the moment is not to
have nuclear energy in Australia because that's not the interests
of making money, which is what its members want to do.
So yes, it's a completely bogus figure that's been bought
out by the Smart Energy Council, But even if you
looked at its own figures, it's somewhere between one hundred
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and sixteen and six hundred billion. And if you looked
around the world at the very best nuclear power plants
which are being built in South Korea, the figure is
nothing like that, and we've never had a total system
cost for Labour's figures and when we put all that together,
that's going to be massive expensive.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
We're talking trillions there. Chris Yeoman, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Let's go down of those explosive revelations yesterday that the
decision by Daniel Andrews to force millions of Victorians to
live under a curfew during COVID was purely a political decision.
It's now been proven it was never based on health advice. Finally,
the documents have been released that show this. Now it's
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shameful that it's taken four and a half years of
legal battle to obtain these documents under FOI, but the
decision to lock Victorians in their homes was extraordinary and
documents prove it wasn't i quote, not occurring on public
health advice, but is was a decision taken by cabinet.
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Joining me now, the MP who's fought and fought and
fought for years to let you all know about this
information publicly Liberal State front Bench David Davis. Well, Davis, David,
welcome to the program. I mean we never even had
a curfew in wartime. Through your dog at work, and
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let's remind people at home that they fought all the
way to the Supreme Court on this.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
We now know that it was just that seven members.
Speaker 14 (27:14):
Of Appeal actually over it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, the quart of Appeal.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah okay, but Center Allen, out of that gag of seven,
is the only one left in the Parliament. Surely she
now must answer some questions.
Speaker 14 (27:30):
Well, Peter, this is extraordinary. This is the documentary proof
that shows the curfew was not based on health advice.
You were in many of those briefings, of course, and
you heard time and time again as Daniel Andrews and
his ministers said, we're only acting on health advice. Well,
it turns out in the case of the curfew, that
was a lie. There were eight people in the crisis cabinet,
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Daniel Andrews was one. The only one that remains there
now in the Parliament is Jacinerell and the current premier.
And you would have thought she would respond on some
of these issues. She must have known that this was
not adequate. Even the documents came out show that even
cabinet didn't have proper advice on these matters, So you
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know there was no formal documentation before cabinet when they
made the decision to lock down through a curfew five
and a half million Victorians, a massive number of people,
and a hugely impactful decision based on a lie.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Let's just listen to that lie again. Here he is
the former Premier, Daniel Andrews.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And if something like the curfew was deemed to be
no longer necessary, then it will come off. It won't
be on there, it won't be on, it won't be
imposed for any longer than it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, deemed.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
He gave us all the inference deemed by officials, you know,
independent advice, health experts, etc.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But it was a.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Political tactic, always was, and we still know. There are
some twenty thousand fines in Victoria that are still being
chased up.
Speaker 14 (29:11):
There's fines, and there's the consequence that flowed out of
these terrible decisions on the curfew in Victoria. The businesses
that lost, the business people that lost their livelihood, the
school kids who were heavily impacted, those who couldn't go
to funerals, all of those incredible impacts that occurred with
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these curfews that were put in place. And I think
the community of every right to be very angry about this.
They were lied to, pure and simple. And you know
the fact is, if it was based on health advice,
they almost certainly wouldn't have put a curfew in place.
Nowhere else in Australia put a curfew in place, and
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that's because the medical and health evidence for it doesn't
actually stack up. So you know, by all means say
you're going to base things on health advice, but then
do it rather than lie about it. So it's pretty
pretty damning of Ja Cinderellen and the whole lot.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We're indebted to you for your dogodness there, David Davis,
thank you for your time tonight, Reark the break. Early
polls are opening obviously tomorrow pre polls.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So do the Libs have a.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Fighting chance to turn things around? And give them plenty
of insiders on the left and right. So the battle
is happening at a local level, seat by seat like
never before. Glassy anti liberal comedian who's racked up nearly
six hundred thousand dollars in donations from Climate two hundred
welcome back still to calm the anti Dartin comic bankrolled
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by Climbate two hundred that went on a spending spree,
deleting social media post after he was exposed. More on
that in a moment, But first, the latest round of
polling from Redbridge Acts, which is tracking twenty key marginal seats,
and it's found that Labour's nuclear scare campaign is driving
a collapse in the coalition's primary vote. Coalition has seen
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a nine percent drop in his primary vote since February.
It now sits at thirty four percent. However, Labour's primaries
on there was in two points from thirty three to
thirty five over the same period of time. Joining me
out to discuss this and the campaign more broadly, Director
at Redbridge Cos Samaris, because just on that nuclear point,
it's not being transposed away from the coalition and into
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Labour's column.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Where's its going? Where is it going.
Speaker 15 (31:37):
Going to minor parties? And it's fair effective with the story.
I think of the major party's problem going forward. Every
time they run a campaign against each other, all they're
doing is amplifying their own flanks. So if the Coalition
was running a successful campaign right now, I would say
that the impact of that will be that the Labor
Party will lose votes to minor parties. More though, more
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than lose boats to the and vice versa. And we're
seeing the impact now right of the Labor campaign. He's
having a significant impact on the Collision primary. But as
we can see with these numbers, it's all going to
minor parties.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
What about the six one hundred billion dollar number that
Labor's got out there is the cost of this nuclear
plan for the coalition. It's completely fanciful. It's not even
a proper government costing. It's made up by basically a
front lobby group funded by activists and the renewable sector.
But it's critical because I've got around four or five
marginal seats. On the weekend I saw a lot of
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billboards on highways as well, constantly referencing this six hundred
billion dollar bee ripped out and saying if Dutton needs
that money for nuclear, he's going to cut all these
things that you care about.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
That's deadly.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Yeah, that's right. And really what they're doing here is
they're using the.
Speaker 15 (32:52):
Nuclear debates as the hook. The real impact is the
word that cuts. So basically Labor was desperate to get
the hands on is a narrative that the Coalition, if elected,
will go back to what some of these voters think
will be formed, which is they'll cut certain services and
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programs to fund their policies. And that's fundamentally what their
mission has been all about, and it's working for the
labor base.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
So I've got to emphasize that that we can see
with the.
Speaker 15 (33:26):
Labor primary it's quite healthy because it's not bleeding anywhere,
and so that's been also their mission.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
So I think this campaign that we're talking about had a.
Speaker 15 (33:36):
Great impact for keeping for allowing the labor to keep
its votes intact whilst it goes and animates plisans flanks.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I guess the problem there is truth in politics, though,
because Peter Dutton all the way along and said he
will not cut all these things that labor alleged he
would cut. You know, he went through Medicare, education, all
of them, and he's been able to demonstrate his bona
fide is there.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But they still have to get this straw man up
of cuts.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
So they use the nuclear argument. And it's clear from
other polling I've seen that punters aren't necessarily against nuclear,
even in the seats where the nuclear plants would go,
but they're against nuclear if it means a six hundred
billion dollar bill and they're going to have to wear
the cuts to pay for it. So Labors used it
as the straw man and it doesn't matter what Peter
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Dutton is saying. It's got currency, but it's a made
up figure. Now, how on earth you're going to fight
a phantom, you know, like a puff of smoke, a
whisper of smoke like that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Cause how to get truth back into politics.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
Pretty difficult because we're so tribal.
Speaker 15 (34:39):
So that narrative works amongst Labour's base, right, so they
will believe that narrative. But the voters that the Coalition
are losing right now to minor parties, I reckon it's
because it is.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I think there's something else going on here.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What do you thinks happening.
Speaker 15 (34:58):
I think there's a lack of economic narrative coming from
the Coalition, which is upsetting a lot of I would
say younger voters who do vote for the Coalition, particularly
in regional Australia and parts of that are large cities.
Now that means I can get them back pretty quickly,
but you know they're running out of time.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
So looking at the types of people that have left
the Coalition.
Speaker 15 (35:20):
Since since February the majority are on the age of
fifty and they're not.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Listening to Elbows campaign. They're not interested.
Speaker 15 (35:29):
They're going off to minor parties, and so getting them
back should be not easy easy, but easier because they
are more culturally attuned to listen to conservative voices.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
The problem is the coalition, as you know, has a
greater attrition of that third party or minor party voter
doesn't come back in a disciplined way compared to Labour's
vote that leaves Labor, that goes somewhere else on the left.
That's the first point two weeks to go. I mean,
you've got to get escaped. And I think the two
biggest arsenal weapons. You have your treasurer in the coalition's case,
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shadow treasur Angus Taylor, your shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Where are they in the campaign?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
They're the two equities at Newspolts say the coalition's got well.
I can hardly see either men fronting anything much at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But I want to know why there's.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Been such a fallaway in the coalitions vote in Victoria.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
What's happening there?
Speaker 15 (36:25):
The same dynamic if you look at the votes that
are falling away. They haven't gotten a labor I mean,
Labour's prime has gone up again only two points.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
They're up to about thirty. It's still very low.
Speaker 15 (36:34):
I mean they ended up on thirty three at the
last federal election in Victoria in twenty twenty two, so
they're still down. But again the majority going to minor parties.
Same trend, and again in this case it's occurring in
outer suburban areas, but also our middle and urban areas
of Melbourne as well, So same dynamic, only it's more pronounced.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
God.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I hope every way Government don't send their vote to Palmer.
We'll see what happens. Thanks coz. After the break, the
underhanded way the climate to one hundred funds these so
called influences to spread their anti liberal message.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
We'll go through that in a moment.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Class kive Palmer to what under fire over a candidate
that he says he will not sack as a billionaire
once again threatens to eat into the Liberal vote Blocoback
reports to Pauline Hansen he's refusing to give preferences to
the coalition. Her chief of staff James Ashby on that
one coming out, But first hope for the weekend, The
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Data Telegraphs James Willis broke the story that the company
run by a comedian responsible for anti liberal social media
content previously received nearly six hundred thousand dollars in donations
from Climber two hundred. Dan Illick is the director of
It's Not a Race, and he's refused to confirm if
his organization has received additional funds.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
In the leader to this year's election.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Content shared by It's Not a Race includes as satirical
attack on Peter Dutton and just in a nambijipit Price,
as well as memes comparing Liberle front benches to muppets.
Joining me now, the journalist who broke this story at
The Telegraph, James Willis, Well, this is the same man,
James Willis who described his company in the twenty twenty
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two election as Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce's worst nightmare.
He was influential in twenty twenty two and he's trying
clearly to be influential again.
Speaker 16 (38:35):
That's right, Peter, and what this has done, and the
reason that we decided you and I to look into
these stories was that there is clearly a major flaw
in our election system and the transparency which Climbate two
hundred have sprooped about fixing up and running on a
platform with integrity. But when you have a comedian who
in twenty twenty two boasted about being Scott Morrison and
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Barnaby Joyce's worst nightmare, it was flooding social media with
specific attacks on the coalition, sprooking TiAl candidates and a
lot of the content directly charged and hitting liberal blue
ribbon seats which would eventually fall by Climate two hundred.
And then we discover after the fact that Climate two
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hundred donated in four large payments five hundred and eighty
eight thousand dollars to mister Elick's companies in the weeks
leading up to the election. The Instagram messages continued after that,
and as you say, this time around and this is
you know, we've asked them questions, they won't tell us,
But we are now going to the polls with having
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no idea about who's donated money anywhere. There's a massive
loophole in this system where people can exploit. Climate two
hundred won't tell us, mister Elik won't tell us. But
clearly this has exposed one of the very very tricky,
and I think smart ways that Climate two hundred has
been trying to trick voters and convince voters the Liberal
Party of the bad guys by using comedy online to
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target a coalition MPs from Peter Dutton down or Scott
Morrison down the last time. So it's a very tricky
game and I really don't think the Election Commission electorc
Commission even knows what's going on in this space.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Fully.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, you're right to talk about the Teals and claims
of integrity. Simon Holmes a court, Well, he didn't like
your article. He had a crack at me as well.
But you know, when you've got someone like Simon Holmes
the court having a winge, you know you're on the money.
The issue here is if this was an ad on
social media from a political party, there would be a
proper authorization.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
We don't have this.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I think that's in part by so much of this
stuff coming out from the hard left. Teals and others
in particular is using what I would call this third
party spookers. You know, comedians or other people that have
created an online persona as influencers that they do not
then have to work inside the electoral rules.
Speaker 16 (41:06):
Yeah, and there's two issues there. The first one is
if Climate two hundred pays mister Ilick's company five hundred
and eighty eight thousand dollars and he continues to make
anti liberal protel ads, should those ads be authorized by
Climate two hundred who have provided that money. I have
asked the Electoral Commission that I have not had a response.
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The other one is that mister Rellic has since deleted
dozens of posts from the twenty twenty two campaign satirical
content attacks on liberal MPs who eventually lost their seats
like Jason Folinsky, Dave Sharma, Josh Freedenberg, and deleted those
posts because they did not have an authorization on them
And it was only when we brought that to his
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attention over the weekend that he said they should have
been authorized.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Well, too little, too late.
Speaker 16 (41:54):
This is three years on the Other thing that is
worth noting on this is that mister Ilik also received
about two hundred thousand dollars or two hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars from three individuals who are linked to
the renewable energy sector or the environment sector that gave
money to his campaign. What for we don't know. But
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he's the one that's making this satirical content. He's the
one saying the liberals don't care about climate change, and
so it's all very murky. But once again, as I say,
having put this in great detail to the Electoral Commission,
I'm not convinced they're fully a grasp of what is
actually going on on social media. And you know, the
typical authorized ads that we see on TV, that we
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see in print are too far often going through to
the keeper and we won't know until October for this
campaign who has actually been trading money between these companies.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
It is tip of the Iceberg stuff. Honestly, James, World
on to you. Let's keep it going though, because there's
plenty of them else out there and they need some.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Scrutiny sewn on them. Thanks for your time. After the break.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
The College's plan for a national child sex offenders register
announced today. Previously, though this has been blocked by Labor
plus Why on earth is the most senior Labor Jewish
MP Mark Drafust giving.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
His preferences to the Greens.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Three quarters of a billion dollars today announced by the
Coalition in relation to law and order, huge issues as
we know in Victoria and Queensland. I suspect elsewhere across
the country joining me now to discuss this and more
One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby, Sky News contributor
the wonderful Gary Hargrave Genso I want to start with
that broader package, but in particular, James Ashby, I'm interested
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in this National Child Sex Offender Disclosure scheme. So basically
a register which would allow parents to apply to see
whether an adult their child was interacting with was a
convicted sex offender. The PM, when asked about matching this today,
seemed to imply his government is already doing this.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Have a listen.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
There is a national child offender system right now that
my government has put in place. He never put it
in place. It's in place now that enables cooperation across
the board between jurisdictions.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Now two things here, James PM is fibbing there. There
is no national register, absolutely not. And when Peter Dutton
was the Minister, he tried a number of times to
get this up but it was always blocked by state
labor premiers.
Speaker 17 (44:37):
Wasn't it Yes, yes, absolutely, Bill Heffernan may Getty's way.
He was a massive advocate of course for a national register,
and he chased pedophiles in our Senate many years ago.
There hasn't been one like him since. Peter Dutton has
tapped into something here. The Prime Minister has lied on
this front. The only people that have got any access
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to active pedophiles that are living in amongst our community
are our police force. They share the information amongst themselves,
but there is not a national register that parents who
are concerned who might be living next door, if they've
got concerns about a neighbor that's moved in, or somebody
who's loitering out the front of a school, they can't
go and find out if that person is a threat
to kids. And that's what Peter Dutton has suggested here.
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Of course it won't just be a website that anyone
can go and look up. You'll still have to gain
access through the police, but it will be made available
when concerns are raised. And I congratulate the Coalition on
this Merit.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Hard not to agree with that. Gary Hargraves.
Speaker 10 (45:39):
Absolutely, and we've got to put our kids first. Our
kids are being troubled and towarded and damaged to almost
on a daily basis. I don't want to overplay it,
but our kids are getting confused by stuff they're hearing
in the classroom, by stuff they're hearing in society. And
then when you know that if somebody has really got
the worst of intentions to take away the innocence of
a child is somewhere around. Parent wants to do everything
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they can to try and protect them, and Peter Darton
is right to be trying to do this. What I
don't get is why the Labor Party just constantly lying.
This Prime Minister has made a career out of fibbing
lying everyone to put it and he constantly fails up
as a result, and Australia gets dragged down and he's
just added again they are saying is what some Labor
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people are saying today is it would be unfair to
the pedophile who's on that register if they were known
to be Inciety's child's myths. I mean, it's hard to
stomach this stuff, Peter, it really is.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
What about this.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Also similar difficult to stomach Labour's doing secret vote swapping
deals with candidates. These are Greens candidates who defend Humus
and claim that Zionism is on the side of the Nazis.
The PM says, you know, I'm not going to do
a deal with the Greens. Well bs to that, because
you look at his website. The Labor Party website's got
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all they had to vote up there. Now almost every
single one of them are preferencing.
Speaker 17 (47:04):
The Greens, even here in my set of Capricornia, where look,
let's face it, the Greens has got no hope of
getting up here. But it's the signal it sends. There
are so many people working within our coal mining industries,
within our police force, whether it be the agriculture sector,
all these sectors are being harassed by the Greens and
we are constantly making provisions when Labor and government to
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take on Green's policy. And why is that, Well, if
you want their preferences, you've got to bend in flex
to the left, and so to get that second preference,
they've already done deals behind the scenes. Anthony albernez He says, oh,
we want to do a deal with the Greens, but yes,
you've done it already and it is going to be
chaotic in this nextreme of Parliament because the Greens will
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hold them to account and they'll hold that balance.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Ushvin James Ashby just quickly.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
The reports today though that your boss will not do
a preference arrangement with the coalition, and what's this mean?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Give me some more flesh on that one.
Speaker 17 (48:04):
I feel like I'm in front of the head master here, Peter. Look,
you and I have said on numerous occasions. I've told
you this so many times your audience as well, Labor,
the Teals and the Greens go last. I can't make
it any clearer. So I don't know where the confusion
has come from with that report in the Australian. The
only thing that Pauline Hanson said in the last twenty
four hours was there are a couple of small minor
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parties like Family First or the Libertarians that we were
going to put ahead of the Liberal Party or the
National Party. But with that said, the Liberals will get
our preferences ahead of Labor, the Teals and the Greens.
With that said, I'll give you a bit of breaking
news here. In the last twelve hours, the Executive met today.
I was part of that discussion. We have moved as
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a result of the deceitful behavior of Clive Palmer's party.
We have moved in about eleven seats. Peter Dutton is
one of them, Patterson's another one, Whitlam's another and also
the Hunter. We've moved either the National Party or the
Liberal Party into the second spot behind us to make
sure there's no confusion in seats that the Liberal Party
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either need to retain or need to win. We're going
to help them do it. And had a seat full
of Clive Palmer to put every sitting coalition Conservative member
last on his how to vote cards. That is disgraceful
if you've.
Speaker 10 (49:18):
Thought about voting for him.
Speaker 17 (49:19):
Abandoned ship, get off his boat.
Speaker 7 (49:22):
It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Just quickly on that point, just quickly, I want to
get this in Flinders, this is the seat in the
morning to Pinentially in Victoria, they're candidate for Clive Palmer.
Down there, a guy called Jason Smart. He's been saying,
I can't stand the Teals, don't support the Teals. Well
he finds out that Palm has done a deal with
the Teals and he's walking away from Palmer.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Gary Hargraves, Well, that's.
Speaker 10 (49:45):
The sort of leadership you need more of, and good
on him for doing so. Look the simple story in Flinders.
Everywhere around the country, you're going to get elbow if
you don't vote for Dada.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's really simple.
Speaker 10 (49:54):
Are you better off than you're worth three years ago?
That's the question you have to answer.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Oh God, if only the Liberals could be as simple
as that. Gary Hargraves gotta leave it their jets. Thank
you both of your times, See you next week. That's
it for me.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Uh Andrew Bolt up next.
Petero Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
You've just seen their breaking news out of the Vatican
that Pope Francis, eighty eight year old Pontiff has died.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of course, this is huge news for Catholics.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Right around the world, and it's in and amongst the
Holy Festival of East. We'll come back with any more
news we can get for you out of Italy. A
little ladder in the show is what's coming up on
Kredline with another week in the polls pointing to a
labor minority governments. You only have to look at labors
how to vote cards to know Albany's in band have
already done a secret deal.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Now those how to vote cards do not lie.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'll expose what's on them in a moment. So called
comedian well his social media rans against Peter Dutton or
anything but funny. Hundreds of thousands of dollars been paid
to him by Climate two hundred.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, the jig is well.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Until the South noon, he's been madly trying to delete
what we've discovered. That telegraphs James Willison that exclusive report
coming up last the bombshell FOI request that finally exposes
four and a half years on Daniel Andrew's COVID curfew
was a lie. Now he tried to block it all
the way to the Supreme Court, but he lost. So
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will this impact his best mate Anthony Albanesi? And while
the BM was cocky today, Peter Dutton says there's plenty
of the fight left.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
In the leaps.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
We are the underdog Prime Minister believes that he's won
this election, that he's lining up for number three. But
I think a lot of Astrainers will be asking themselves, well,
has Anthony ALBERANIZI really made my life easier?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Today's News poll confirms it. With early voting opening tomorrow
in less than two weeks now until polling day, the
most likely outcome is a labor minority government. So Anthony
Albanisi back in the lodge and Adam Bant two, perhaps
some Teals as well with the whip hand. Now, I
can't think of anything worse for our country. The Teals
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or they're basically Gucci Greens who pretend they're independent but
operate as any party does. Now the Adam Bant mob, well,
today they're Marxists, aren't they a long way away from
the environmental tree huggers that the Green started out as
in the nineteen seventies. It's hard not to be despondent
for the future of our country. Yet there's still a
(02:22):
fortnight left, and as the saying goes, even a week
is a long time in politics, let alone too. News
poll today reinforces the previous two polls. It had Labor
ahead fifty two forty eight or two party preferred, slightly
improving its primary vote, albeit of an historically low base.
While this pole has Peter Dutton a better place to
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defend the nation and to grow the economy, overall, his
approval numbers are down, as is his better PM rating.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
A part of.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
The problem of Dutton I suspect is that everyone who's
fed up with the Albanezy government is desperately disappointed that
the opposition isn't landing more blows Dunton, though he's not
ready to throw in the towel, having been there in
twenty ten and twenty nineteen when the Libs were behind
but did better than anyone expected.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I pointed out before in twenty nineteen, I think there
was a big undercurrent of anger against the then government
or the then opposition than people realize. And I think
that's the case against the now government as well. That's
the reality. We've got a long way to go between
now and then. And I think Australians who are looking
at are they better off today than they were three
years ago? I think people, frankly, certainly the ones we've
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met across the country would be saying, actually, you know what,
our lives are much harder today.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Albert easy Well, one look at him today and he
was as cocky as we've ever seen him. Out came
that Medicare card again, even though it's a lie that
the Medicare cards all you need to see a doctor.
Most of us, there's always an out of pocket cost,
something that even the doctor groups caught him out on last.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Week, fifty billion dollars of cuts to health. We know
that the Liberal Party don't believe that anyone values things
which are free. They don't need their credit card, they
just need their Medicare card.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But that's not his only shameless lie.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
A coalition that needs to find carps for its six
hundred billion dollar nuclear plan. When polling bars open tomorrow,
say where the money is coming from for this six
hundred billion dollar nuclear plan.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Six hundred billionaire says, and where does that costing come from?
Not from official government sources. I can tell you. I
wrote that in the Australian newspaper last week. It comes
from an outfit called Smart Energy Council. Not so smart either.
It's linked to Simon Holmes the Court and it's chocol
block full of ex labors staff is at the same
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time as it's registered as a charity.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Something that my colleague Andrew Klanell had labor bother boy Murray,
what on the ropes about?
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Yesterday the Independent Science Agency of this country, the CSIRO,
as well as the Australian Energy Market operator that runs
the energy grid both said that the cheapest way for
Australia to meet its power needs in the future is
through renewables. We haven't engaged some consultant to give us
the advice that we were seeking. This is the independent agencies.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
What's six hundred bion based on it?
Speaker 6 (05:36):
So that's come from the Smart Energy Council, who are
experts in this field and have calculated the total cost
at six hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
It hasn't come from the CSIRO, it hasn't come from
an official body.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
It's come from a lobby group.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Smart Energy Council is a lobby group. It's an energy
renewables lobby group funded in part for more of these
people making money out of renewable energy. And as I said,
chock a block full of ex labor staffers. So this
six hundred billion dollar figure is a labor lie and
it matters because it's been planted on billboards right around
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the country and on flyers being shoved into your letterbox.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
As we speak. And yet is the Prime Minister interested
in the truth? No is not. He couldn't lie straight.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
In bed photos with everyone. Okay in the.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Middle, I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off
the stage, just one leg went down. But I was
I was sweet.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He even lies when it comes to who he barracks for.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
They'd LOLd of the Hawks because you can't change teams.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
So no bandwagon, Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I've been expand for many decades.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Give it up, elbow, no one's buying it.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Liberal canber.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Give me a break.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There are so many issues large and small. When labor
is vulnerable in this campaign. Now in the great scheme
of things. It's not a lot of money. But what
was the Labor National Executive doing, as discussed here with
Claire Chandler on Thursday, rubber stamping a fake pre selection
to disendorse Lyons MP Brian Mitchell so he could then
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claim a taxpayer funded payouts.
Speaker 9 (07:33):
Brian Mitchell said that he was more than happy to
step aside and allow the former State Labor leader Rebecca
White run as the Federal member for Lines. But what
we now find out is that a pre selection process
has taken place by the Labor National Executive which the
Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi sits on and mister Mitchell apparently
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put his hand up for this pre selection and it
was competitive against Ms White. Was mister Mitch standing aside
to allow Miss White to run or has the Labor
Party fabricated some kind of pre selection process in consultation
with the Prime Minister to enable mister Mitchell to pocket
this one hundred and fifteen thousand dollar tax payer payout.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
All for that one hundred thousand dollars payout? What about
the trickiness last week too or negative gearing the PM
denying that Labor had done any work on dumping negative
gearing when the Treasurer had already conceded last year that
they had. Then there's that infamous lie about cutting your
power bills, and then over the weekend another one about
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Russians trying to build a base in Indonesia and who
knew what?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
And when the opposition is asking for a briefing on
something that doesn't exist, I mean they might as well
ask for a briefing on the Locknest monster. This is
something that doesn't exist that they fabricated. Peter Dutton ran
his mouth off and started verbaling and accusing the Indonesian president.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
What the Russia wants to propaganda to be promoted by Australians.
Of course they want propaganda and Russia engages in that.
What I do know is it last week the alternative
Prime Minister of Australia verbaled the President of Indonesia.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Hubris and deception. All this government does is lie when
it's under pressure. Show me where they've.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Made a promise and then kept it. Show me where
Australians are better off after three years of Almit easy labor.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Because you can't. That's the truth of it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Seriously, I can't fathom how anyone could elect them again.
But if something big doesn't happen in the final two
weeks of the campaign, then that's where we are headed.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If you think.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Labor hasn't already done a deal with the Greens, despite
what the Prime Minister says, then think again. Here's the
official Labor Party how to vote cards, quietly uploaded to
their websites ahead of early voting to morrow. Here's the
PM seed of Graindler. He's number one on the ticket,
but number two it's the Greens. Here's the Melbourne seats
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of Melbourne Labor. There Sarah Whittish, she's number one. Who's
number two, Well, none other than the Greens leader Adam Bant.
Here's the Victorian marginal seat of Kranka Mine, Labor again
preferencing the Greens. In the number two spot, Tony Burke,
well he's back in the Greens and number two as well.
Right across the country and seat after seat, Alban Izink
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is giving band Labour's top preference. And in the tail
seats of Wentworth and Cougyong, of course, Labour's preferencing them surprise, surprise.
It goes to show just how green they really are.
Speaker 9 (10:46):
I'm standing on integrity, signed my.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
Petition for a second coed public high school in the East.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm a renewable energy advocate.
Speaker 10 (11:11):
Authorized by Skellen Better Australia, Sydney.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Such frauds.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Let's check check in with the two campaigns today. We'll
start a course with Labor joining me in. Our political
reporter Julia Bradley, Julia, welcome the PM nd of this afternoon,
of course down in Victoria in the seat of McNamara,
but he spent the morning in Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Bit of a frosty reception. What can you tell us.
Speaker 11 (11:38):
It was, Peter, Really a tale of two states for
Anthony Albanezi today the reception has been pretty warm this
afternoon while campaigning in Melbourne, including that Liberal seat of Menzies,
but also the Labor held seat of McNamara. However, very
different story on the New South Wales South coast this
morning when he was campaigning in Gilmore, which the Liberal
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Party is heavily heavily targeting. Now he was there sprooking
Labour's plan to invest in urgent care clinics. We're at
the Bateman's Bay Hospital, but several protests erupted, not directly
targeting the PM. But once he left and already held
that press conference, one woman really unhappy with the state
of housing in that region. To others though, really unhappy
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about the plan to relocate the emergency department at that
hospital further south to Maruya. And that's part of a
multimillion dollar plan to build a new hospital down there.
But these two men telling me that should not happen.
It should remain at Bateman's Bay. There's need for it there.
It shouldn't be twenty minutes further away. Now, this was
part of a decision made under the former state Liberal
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government of which Andrew Constance was a member. Andrew Constance
running for the Liberal Parties federally there in Gilmore. But
he says, and the protest to say, it's now on
labor to fix this, consult with the community and keep
it there.
Speaker 12 (12:57):
Hope it have been long time, lifetime labor members are
changing their vote now. We need a message all the time.
So it was quite simple for the current government, both
state and federal, change your mind about closing this facility
that currently caters for fifty eight percent of all emergency presentations,
and you could get could retain your job here.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Thank you, Julia. I leave it there. Let's go to
Peter Dutton's campaign.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They are in the air, so.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Before they took off, send your political reporter Trinny McIntosh
filed this report.
Speaker 13 (13:29):
Peter, the Opposition leader, has spent much of the day
in and around Melbourne today. He's here just off the
Colder Freeway in the Labor held seat of Gorton. Now,
this is a road upgrade, three hundred million dollars for
an interchange here to help it be a bit easier
for commuters coming off the freeway and onto the local road.
It's actually a funding promise that Labour made in week
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one of the campaign when Richard Mars was standing in
this very same spot where Peter Dutton is now, a
promise that regardless of who wins government, is now going
to go ahead. I've caught in a fascinating one. The
coalition's been here twice in the space of a week.
The retirement of long serving Labor MP Brendan O'Connor part
of the reason why the Liberals believe this seat is vulnerable.
Earlier today, though we spent a lot of time in
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the seat of Dunkley, also held by Labor. One there
in the southeastern suburbs of Melbourne, a community crime forum.
The focus there a seven hundred and fifty million dollar
pledge from the Coalition today for a crackdown on crime nationally.
We did see a political fight today between the Prime
Minister and Opposition leader when it comes to a register
for national sex offenders. So Peter Dutton does want this
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focus now to be on crime ahead of pre polling
which we'll start tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
All right, plenty of other news to get across. Jordan Mousky,
News plitical contributor Chris Jelman. Chris, We've got a lot
of politics in Australia I want to get across. But
of course we'll have politics very soon. Now at the
Vatican with the sudden news this afternoon that the Pope
has Dipope Francis has died at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Of course he has been unwell for time.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I was there when Pope John Paul Young, John Paul Young,
John Paul, the second Big your Pardon, died at Easter
a couple of years ago. This is the second pope
now to die around the Easter period. It's a jubilee
year for Catholics of course, huge crowds will be there
at the Vatican and from this now we'll see a
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conclave and an election. Your thoughts on his legacy because
he is the first Jesuit in many, many, many years
to have such a pivotal role in the church.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But of course he is of the left.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He is quite controversial politically for the Catholic Church.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
What are your thoughts, Yeah, Peter, Well, if you think
politics in Australia between Conservatives and the Labour Party is bad,
you should see church politics. And not saying that I'm
completely cross Vatican politics. But of course Benedict was seen
as being from the left, and there is a left
and right in the Catholic Church and they are very
very divided. After following on from Benedict who has seen
as being very conservative. So that's twelve years ago. We
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know the paper being sick. Now for some time I
was probably surprising the actually got out of hospital, had
double pneumonia and only lasted a few days after getting
out of hospital. And of course those who who follow
his faith and his convictions will now think that he's
going to a better place. But what happens here on
earth is what's going to matter.
Speaker 12 (16:15):
Next.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
In papal elections, I think there are one hundred and
thirty six cardinal electors. I think he has appointed one
hundred and ten of them. So you know your numbers, Peter,
you follow the numbers, and who do you think is
going to be elected as the next pope. It's more
likely to be a progressive than a conservative. It'll be
interesting to see though, whether there are any African candidates.
The church is very strong there and tends to be
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a lot more conservative there, so there'll be a lot
of interesting comings and goings now in and out of
the Vatican as we work our way towards the election
of the next pope. And of course the pope matters
enormously in terms of the direction of the Catholic Church.
So that'll be a fascinating process to watch. And you'd
love to be a fly on the wall there. And
they have played politics harder than anywhere else on earth
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in the Vatican now for well over one thousand years,
so yes, it will be interesting to watch.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, Lah, I might be Catholic, but given my gender
that you're more likely to be the fly on the
wall in the Sisteine Chapel than I'll ever be.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But we'll leave that there. Let's go to Labor pre poll.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We obviously know it's opening up tomorrow, but the how
to vote cards, these have already been distributed or certainly
available on Labour's website and I went through them in
the top of the show. Anthony Albanezi, Well, he's got
his own name there against number one.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
As you'd expect.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But they're preferencing the Greens second in his seat, Likewise
in Tony Burke's seat, and Jason Clare's seat, and a
whole lot of others, even the most senior Jewish MP.
We've got the Attorney General, Mark Dreyfus, he is preferencing
the Greens.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Now, this is extraordinary. Look at the Greens.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
A lot of the Greens are preferencing Labor as well
as their second picks.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
This looks like a deal.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And O the PM says he's not going to do
a deal with the Greens. Not going to do a deal.
I think he's already done a deal.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Oh look, Peter, are you the least bit surprised? And
when we look at the preference flows between the Labor
Party and the Greens, many of those MPs would not
be elected if it wasn't for Green preferences. Now, those
preference flows, in fact have been growing over the years.
I think in twenty nineteen about eighty percent of Green's
preferences went to the Labor Party. I think at the
last election it was up closer to eighty five percent
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of Green's preferences went to the Labor Party. So there
would be many Labor MPs who would simply not get
elected if it wasn't for those Green preferences. And when
we look at what happens with the coalition, the preference
flows from places like One Nation and what was the
UAP at the last election, tend not to be anywhere
near as strong. They do still tend to favor the coalition,
but by nothing like those numbers. I think from One
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Nation the preferences around about sixty or sixty five percent
compared to the eighty five percent which go from the Greens.
So preferences are massively important in the system that we have.
And the way that this works is it was always
going to be follow the numbers, the same as with
the Vatican. How do you think you get elected? You
get the numbers behind you, and that's how you get elected.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That makes it look like the PMS just had all
this faux posturing against the Greens. It looks like, you know,
everything we've heard from him about talking tough is not
worth the paper it's printed on.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Well, and when it gets to forming government, of course
the government will do a deal with the Greens if
it needs to get into government, if it needs the
seats in Parliament, and the only way you can form
government in Australia is to have the seats have the
numbers on the floor of the House of Representatives. So
you're going to have to do some sort of deal
with them. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll have
a formal arrangement as they did last time, because that
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was the death knell of the Gillard government signing that
deal with Bob Brown. But of course they'll have to
be an arrangement. And what we'll see if there is
a minority Labor government that it will be dragged to
the left by the Tills and the Greens on the
cross bench. But you have to say, at the moment, Peter,
the way that things aren't tracking is that this could
be as twenty nineteen that they could be walking that
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goat track to victory, that miracle victory that's got Morrison
had I think Anthony Albanezi is quietly confident that he's
going to pull that off.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He certainly looks confident today.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
There's a real peppinine step and well, we'll see what
happens in the next two weeks. Let's go to this
continuing start show of the prospect of a Russian air
base in Indonesia. A lot of toing and throwing today.
The Prime Minister is still making this an issue because
it's a discrepancy between what he's saying and what senior
ministers are saying. Indeed, Murray what yesterday and Andrew Canell's program.
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But most of all I look to the failure of
the government to allow the coalition are briefing under the
caretaker conventions. Not just the government, I have to say
the public service in Canberra. They are there to administer
the caretaker conventions. The government clearly is blocking any such
briefing and the week old supine public servants are rolling over.
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I think this is a very very bad sign.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Chris yeh.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Again, you know what they say about conventions. It's a convention.
There's nothing that's forcing the government to do this, and
I think that where there's smoke, there's a little bit
of fire here. The initial report came from James Defense Weekly,
which is one of the most respected defense publications in
the world. So you have to assume the fact that
the Russians did ask the question. Now, the Indonesians may
have followed that with a very swift no, but it
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shows an intent from the Russians to get some sort
of toe hold in our neck of the woods and
not very far from Australia. I do see that the
Russian ambassador, I think it was to Jakarta saying that
Australia has no cards to play, and it's hard to
argue with him on that front because we've just seen
recently we don't have the cards to play when it
comes with China, when it laps Australia. We can't keep
up with our own warships. So we're in a very
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weak position at the moment, very difficult times. What does
it tell us. It tells us that we live in
very very interesting times and there are lots of countries
that have an interest in this part of the world
that don't have our best interests at heart. You know,
it was unfortunate that Peter Dutton misspoke when he said
it was the President's officer had confirmed the fact that
there had been a Russian inquiry. There hadn't, It had
been a report. So you know, he's kind of made
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a bit of a rod for his own back with
that one, and you can't can't blame the Labor Party
for bashing him over the head with it.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
We've just got some scenes out in the front of
Saint Peter's ear on the screen for those following the news,
of course, at the Pope. The death of the Pope
has just been announced. News poll overnight, no real change
in two PP terms, an uptick for Labor on their
primary coalition unchanged at thirty five. I mean, thirty five
is not a win for the coalition, that it's something
with a four in front. Yes, there was some talk
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about green shoots, you know, the coalitions ahead on the economy,
the coalitions ahead on defense. But I mean, please, Chris,
if defense is a winner for the coalition, how about
you actually get a policy out there on defense and
national security, Because you know we're opening up for pre
polls tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We still see nothing yet.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Look, Peter, you've been involved with many campaigns, and I've
watched many campaigns, and I don't you know, I don't
exclaim that i'd have a better idea about how they
should run their campaign, but I don't think that this
has been a particularly good one. It seems to me
that there weren't enough policies out early enough for the
Coalition to make its case to the Australian people. You've
got to take into account the fact now that of
course people are voting early, that's starting tomorrow, and that
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we did have this election which was always going to
be interrupted by the holiday season, and that's this week
as well. Don't forget we've got Anzac Day on Friday,
so this week is a short week, and then we've
had all the noise from Donald Trump. So it doesn't
look to me at any stage like the Coalition has
had any rhythm. They have been going backwards in the
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polls from the beginning of this campaign. They've had to
ditch policies, and they've lost at least one politician. So
if you're going backwards on all those front sides, it's
hard for me to see how you could ever hope
to win this election. What they need to do is
to get a whole lot closer than where they are now.
They have to make this a contest. They have to
force the Labor Party into minority government and have enough
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seats to be a big noise the next time round.
But if they allow the Labor Party to win majority
government that I think that the next story is going
to be about what goes on in the coalition, not
the election campaign.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
This is six hundred billion dollar figure Labour saying that's
the cost of Dutton's nuclear plan in about thirty years time.
Despite being an absolute fans a full time frame. The
cost is fanciful. It's a lobby group with charitable status,
packed full of Labour staffers, as I've said, and others
in it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's not a credible figure.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It's not official government costings or Treasuries numbers worked up.
But I've seen a lot of the material that's going
into marginal seats and it's referenced in every one of
them to say Dutton needs this much money to pay
for the nuclear plan, so cut to coming your way.
This can't stand as any sort of campaign truth. It's
a massive scare campaign. But the Prime Minister's repeating it
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every single day.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Chris. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Look, even if they were trying to report the Smart
Energy Council Zone dodgy figures, they would have said that
the Smart Energy Council had estimated between one hundred and
sixteen billion dollars and up to six hundred billion dollars.
And of course all those numbers were bigged up by
the Smart Energy Council, which represents wind and solar interests
and of course doesn't want nuclear energy in Australia, even
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though if you want to get to net zero, you're going.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
To have to have it.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
So now that stuff ever actually adds up to me,
except it's pushing the interests of its members, and the
interests of its members at the moment is not to
have nuclear energy in Australia because that's not the interests
of making money, which is what its members want to do.
So yes, it's a completely bogus figure that's been bought
out by the Smart Energy Council, But even if you
looked at its own figures, it's somewhere between one hundred
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and sixteen and six hundred billion. And if you looked
around the world at the very best nuclear power plants
which are being built in South Korea, the figure is
nothing like that, and we've never had a total system
cost for Labour's figures and when we put all that together,
that's going to be massive expensive.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
We're talking trillions there. Chris Yeoman, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Let's go down of those explosive revelations yesterday that the
decision by Daniel Andrews to force millions of Victorians to
live under a curfew during COVID was purely a political decision.
It's now been proven it was never based on health advice. Finally,
the documents have been released that show this. Now it's
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shameful that it's taken four and a half years of
legal battle to obtain these documents under FOI, but the
decision to lock Victorians in their homes was extraordinary and
documents prove it wasn't i quote, not occurring on public
health advice, but is was a decision taken by cabinet.
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Joining me now, the MP who's fought and fought and
fought for years to let you all know about this
information publicly Liberal State front Bench David Davis. Well, Davis, David,
welcome to the program. I mean we never even had
a curfew in wartime. Through your dog at work, and
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let's remind people at home that they fought all the
way to the Supreme Court on this.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
We now know that it was just that seven members.
Speaker 14 (27:14):
Of Appeal actually over it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, the quart of Appeal.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah okay, but Center Allen, out of that gag of seven,
is the only one left in the Parliament. Surely she
now must answer some questions.
Speaker 14 (27:30):
Well, Peter, this is extraordinary. This is the documentary proof
that shows the curfew was not based on health advice.
You were in many of those briefings, of course, and
you heard time and time again as Daniel Andrews and
his ministers said, we're only acting on health advice. Well,
it turns out in the case of the curfew, that
was a lie. There were eight people in the crisis cabinet,
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Daniel Andrews was one. The only one that remains there
now in the Parliament is Jacinerell and the current premier.
And you would have thought she would respond on some
of these issues. She must have known that this was
not adequate. Even the documents came out show that even
cabinet didn't have proper advice on these matters, So you
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know there was no formal documentation before cabinet when they
made the decision to lock down through a curfew five
and a half million Victorians, a massive number of people,
and a hugely impactful decision based on a lie.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Let's just listen to that lie again. Here he is
the former Premier, Daniel Andrews.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And if something like the curfew was deemed to be
no longer necessary, then it will come off. It won't
be on there, it won't be on, it won't be
imposed for any longer than it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, deemed.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
He gave us all the inference deemed by officials, you know,
independent advice, health experts, etc.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But it was a.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Political tactic, always was, and we still know. There are
some twenty thousand fines in Victoria that are still being
chased up.
Speaker 14 (29:11):
There's fines, and there's the consequence that flowed out of
these terrible decisions on the curfew in Victoria. The businesses
that lost, the business people that lost their livelihood, the
school kids who were heavily impacted, those who couldn't go
to funerals, all of those incredible impacts that occurred with
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these curfews that were put in place. And I think
the community of every right to be very angry about this.
They were lied to, pure and simple. And you know
the fact is, if it was based on health advice,
they almost certainly wouldn't have put a curfew in place.
Nowhere else in Australia put a curfew in place, and
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that's because the medical and health evidence for it doesn't
actually stack up. So you know, by all means say
you're going to base things on health advice, but then
do it rather than lie about it. So it's pretty
pretty damning of Ja Cinderellen and the whole lot.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We're indebted to you for your dogodness there, David Davis,
thank you for your time tonight, Reark the break. Early
polls are opening obviously tomorrow pre polls.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So do the Libs have a.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Fighting chance to turn things around? And give them plenty
of insiders on the left and right. So the battle
is happening at a local level, seat by seat like
never before. Glassy anti liberal comedian who's racked up nearly
six hundred thousand dollars in donations from Climate two hundred
welcome back still to calm the anti Dartin comic bankrolled
(30:48):
by Climbate two hundred that went on a spending spree,
deleting social media post after he was exposed. More on
that in a moment, But first, the latest round of
polling from Redbridge Acts, which is tracking twenty key marginal seats,
and it's found that Labour's nuclear scare campaign is driving
a collapse in the coalition's primary vote. Coalition has seen
(31:09):
a nine percent drop in his primary vote since February.
It now sits at thirty four percent. However, Labour's primaries
on there was in two points from thirty three to
thirty five over the same period of time. Joining me
out to discuss this and the campaign more broadly, Director
at Redbridge Cos Samaris, because just on that nuclear point,
it's not being transposed away from the coalition and into
(31:34):
Labour's column.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Where's its going? Where is it going.
Speaker 15 (31:37):
Going to minor parties? And it's fair effective with the story.
I think of the major party's problem going forward. Every
time they run a campaign against each other, all they're
doing is amplifying their own flanks. So if the Coalition
was running a successful campaign right now, I would say
that the impact of that will be that the Labor
Party will lose votes to minor parties. More though, more
(31:58):
than lose boats to the and vice versa. And we're
seeing the impact now right of the Labor campaign. He's
having a significant impact on the Collision primary. But as
we can see with these numbers, it's all going to
minor parties.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
What about the six one hundred billion dollar number that
Labor's got out there is the cost of this nuclear
plan for the coalition. It's completely fanciful. It's not even
a proper government costing. It's made up by basically a
front lobby group funded by activists and the renewable sector.
But it's critical because I've got around four or five
marginal seats. On the weekend I saw a lot of
(32:35):
billboards on highways as well, constantly referencing this six hundred
billion dollar bee ripped out and saying if Dutton needs
that money for nuclear, he's going to cut all these
things that you care about.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
That's deadly.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Yeah, that's right. And really what they're doing here is
they're using the.
Speaker 15 (32:52):
Nuclear debates as the hook. The real impact is the
word that cuts. So basically Labor was desperate to get
the hands on is a narrative that the Coalition, if elected,
will go back to what some of these voters think
will be formed, which is they'll cut certain services and
(33:13):
programs to fund their policies. And that's fundamentally what their
mission has been all about, and it's working for the
labor base.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
So I've got to emphasize that that we can see
with the.
Speaker 15 (33:26):
Labor primary it's quite healthy because it's not bleeding anywhere,
and so that's been also their mission.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
So I think this campaign that we're talking about had a.
Speaker 15 (33:36):
Great impact for keeping for allowing the labor to keep
its votes intact whilst it goes and animates plisans flanks.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I guess the problem there is truth in politics, though,
because Peter Dutton all the way along and said he
will not cut all these things that labor alleged he
would cut. You know, he went through Medicare, education, all
of them, and he's been able to demonstrate his bona
fide is there.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But they still have to get this straw man up
of cuts.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
So they use the nuclear argument. And it's clear from
other polling I've seen that punters aren't necessarily against nuclear,
even in the seats where the nuclear plants would go,
but they're against nuclear if it means a six hundred
billion dollar bill and they're going to have to wear
the cuts to pay for it. So Labors used it
as the straw man and it doesn't matter what Peter
(34:22):
Dutton is saying. It's got currency, but it's a made
up figure. Now, how on earth you're going to fight
a phantom, you know, like a puff of smoke, a
whisper of smoke like that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Cause how to get truth back into politics.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
Pretty difficult because we're so tribal.
Speaker 15 (34:39):
So that narrative works amongst Labour's base, right, so they
will believe that narrative. But the voters that the Coalition
are losing right now to minor parties, I reckon it's
because it is.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I think there's something else going on here.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What do you thinks happening.
Speaker 15 (34:58):
I think there's a lack of economic narrative coming from
the Coalition, which is upsetting a lot of I would
say younger voters who do vote for the Coalition, particularly
in regional Australia and parts of that are large cities.
Now that means I can get them back pretty quickly,
but you know they're running out of time.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
So looking at the types of people that have left
the Coalition.
Speaker 15 (35:20):
Since since February the majority are on the age of
fifty and they're not.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Listening to Elbows campaign. They're not interested.
Speaker 15 (35:29):
They're going off to minor parties, and so getting them
back should be not easy easy, but easier because they
are more culturally attuned to listen to conservative voices.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
The problem is the coalition, as you know, has a
greater attrition of that third party or minor party voter
doesn't come back in a disciplined way compared to Labour's
vote that leaves Labor, that goes somewhere else on the left.
That's the first point two weeks to go. I mean,
you've got to get escaped. And I think the two
biggest arsenal weapons. You have your treasurer in the coalition's case,
(36:06):
shadow treasur Angus Taylor, your shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Where are they in the campaign?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
They're the two equities at Newspolts say the coalition's got well.
I can hardly see either men fronting anything much at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But I want to know why there's.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Been such a fallaway in the coalitions vote in Victoria.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
What's happening there?
Speaker 15 (36:25):
The same dynamic if you look at the votes that
are falling away. They haven't gotten a labor I mean,
Labour's prime has gone up again only two points.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
They're up to about thirty. It's still very low.
Speaker 15 (36:34):
I mean they ended up on thirty three at the
last federal election in Victoria in twenty twenty two, so
they're still down. But again the majority going to minor parties.
Same trend, and again in this case it's occurring in
outer suburban areas, but also our middle and urban areas
of Melbourne as well, So same dynamic, only it's more pronounced.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
God.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I hope every way Government don't send their vote to Palmer.
We'll see what happens. Thanks coz. After the break, the
underhanded way the climate to one hundred funds these so
called influences to spread their anti liberal message.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
We'll go through that in a moment.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Class kive Palmer to what under fire over a candidate
that he says he will not sack as a billionaire
once again threatens to eat into the Liberal vote Blocoback
reports to Pauline Hansen he's refusing to give preferences to
the coalition. Her chief of staff James Ashby on that
one coming out, But first hope for the weekend, The
(37:34):
Data Telegraphs James Willis broke the story that the company
run by a comedian responsible for anti liberal social media
content previously received nearly six hundred thousand dollars in donations
from Climber two hundred. Dan Illick is the director of
It's Not a Race, and he's refused to confirm if
his organization has received additional funds.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
In the leader to this year's election.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Content shared by It's Not a Race includes as satirical
attack on Peter Dutton and just in a nambijipit Price,
as well as memes comparing Liberle front benches to muppets.
Joining me now, the journalist who broke this story at
The Telegraph, James Willis, Well, this is the same man,
James Willis who described his company in the twenty twenty
(38:20):
two election as Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce's worst nightmare.
He was influential in twenty twenty two and he's trying
clearly to be influential again.
Speaker 16 (38:35):
That's right, Peter, and what this has done, and the
reason that we decided you and I to look into
these stories was that there is clearly a major flaw
in our election system and the transparency which Climbate two
hundred have sprooped about fixing up and running on a
platform with integrity. But when you have a comedian who
in twenty twenty two boasted about being Scott Morrison and
(38:57):
Barnaby Joyce's worst nightmare, it was flooding social media with
specific attacks on the coalition, sprooking TiAl candidates and a
lot of the content directly charged and hitting liberal blue
ribbon seats which would eventually fall by Climate two hundred.
And then we discover after the fact that Climate two
(39:19):
hundred donated in four large payments five hundred and eighty
eight thousand dollars to mister Elick's companies in the weeks
leading up to the election. The Instagram messages continued after that,
and as you say, this time around and this is
you know, we've asked them questions, they won't tell us,
But we are now going to the polls with having
(39:41):
no idea about who's donated money anywhere. There's a massive
loophole in this system where people can exploit. Climate two
hundred won't tell us, mister Elik won't tell us. But
clearly this has exposed one of the very very tricky,
and I think smart ways that Climate two hundred has
been trying to trick voters and convince voters the Liberal
Party of the bad guys by using comedy online to
(40:05):
target a coalition MPs from Peter Dutton down or Scott
Morrison down the last time. So it's a very tricky
game and I really don't think the Election Commission electorc
Commission even knows what's going on in this space.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Fully.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, you're right to talk about the Teals and claims
of integrity. Simon Holmes a court, Well, he didn't like
your article. He had a crack at me as well.
But you know, when you've got someone like Simon Holmes
the court having a winge, you know you're on the money.
The issue here is if this was an ad on
social media from a political party, there would be a
proper authorization.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
We don't have this.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I think that's in part by so much of this
stuff coming out from the hard left. Teals and others
in particular is using what I would call this third
party spookers. You know, comedians or other people that have
created an online persona as influencers that they do not
then have to work inside the electoral rules.
Speaker 16 (41:06):
Yeah, and there's two issues there. The first one is
if Climate two hundred pays mister Ilick's company five hundred
and eighty eight thousand dollars and he continues to make
anti liberal protel ads, should those ads be authorized by
Climate two hundred who have provided that money. I have
asked the Electoral Commission that I have not had a response.
(41:29):
The other one is that mister Rellic has since deleted
dozens of posts from the twenty twenty two campaign satirical
content attacks on liberal MPs who eventually lost their seats
like Jason Folinsky, Dave Sharma, Josh Freedenberg, and deleted those
posts because they did not have an authorization on them
And it was only when we brought that to his
(41:50):
attention over the weekend that he said they should have
been authorized.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Well, too little, too late.
Speaker 16 (41:54):
This is three years on the Other thing that is
worth noting on this is that mister Ilik also received
about two hundred thousand dollars or two hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars from three individuals who are linked to
the renewable energy sector or the environment sector that gave
money to his campaign. What for we don't know. But
(42:16):
he's the one that's making this satirical content. He's the
one saying the liberals don't care about climate change, and
so it's all very murky. But once again, as I say,
having put this in great detail to the Electoral Commission,
I'm not convinced they're fully a grasp of what is
actually going on on social media. And you know, the
typical authorized ads that we see on TV, that we
(42:38):
see in print are too far often going through to
the keeper and we won't know until October for this
campaign who has actually been trading money between these companies.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
It is tip of the Iceberg stuff. Honestly, James, World
on to you. Let's keep it going though, because there's
plenty of them else out there and they need some.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Scrutiny sewn on them. Thanks for your time. After the break.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
The College's plan for a national child sex offenders register
announced today. Previously, though this has been blocked by Labor
plus Why on earth is the most senior Labor Jewish
MP Mark Drafust giving.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
His preferences to the Greens.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Three quarters of a billion dollars today announced by the
Coalition in relation to law and order, huge issues as
we know in Victoria and Queensland. I suspect elsewhere across
the country joining me now to discuss this and more
One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby, Sky News contributor
the wonderful Gary Hargrave Genso I want to start with
that broader package, but in particular, James Ashby, I'm interested
(43:45):
in this National Child Sex Offender Disclosure scheme. So basically
a register which would allow parents to apply to see
whether an adult their child was interacting with was a
convicted sex offender. The PM, when asked about matching this today,
seemed to imply his government is already doing this.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Have a listen.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
There is a national child offender system right now that
my government has put in place. He never put it
in place. It's in place now that enables cooperation across
the board between jurisdictions.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Now two things here, James PM is fibbing there. There
is no national register, absolutely not. And when Peter Dutton
was the Minister, he tried a number of times to
get this up but it was always blocked by state
labor premiers.
Speaker 17 (44:37):
Wasn't it Yes, yes, absolutely, Bill Heffernan may Getty's way.
He was a massive advocate of course for a national register,
and he chased pedophiles in our Senate many years ago.
There hasn't been one like him since. Peter Dutton has
tapped into something here. The Prime Minister has lied on
this front. The only people that have got any access
(44:58):
to active pedophiles that are living in amongst our community
are our police force. They share the information amongst themselves,
but there is not a national register that parents who
are concerned who might be living next door, if they've
got concerns about a neighbor that's moved in, or somebody
who's loitering out the front of a school, they can't
go and find out if that person is a threat
to kids. And that's what Peter Dutton has suggested here.
(45:21):
Of course it won't just be a website that anyone
can go and look up. You'll still have to gain
access through the police, but it will be made available
when concerns are raised. And I congratulate the Coalition on
this Merit.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Hard not to agree with that. Gary Hargraves.
Speaker 10 (45:39):
Absolutely, and we've got to put our kids first. Our
kids are being troubled and towarded and damaged to almost
on a daily basis. I don't want to overplay it,
but our kids are getting confused by stuff they're hearing
in the classroom, by stuff they're hearing in society. And
then when you know that if somebody has really got
the worst of intentions to take away the innocence of
a child is somewhere around. Parent wants to do everything
(46:01):
they can to try and protect them, and Peter Darton
is right to be trying to do this. What I
don't get is why the Labor Party just constantly lying.
This Prime Minister has made a career out of fibbing
lying everyone to put it and he constantly fails up
as a result, and Australia gets dragged down and he's
just added again they are saying is what some Labor
(46:22):
people are saying today is it would be unfair to
the pedophile who's on that register if they were known
to be Inciety's child's myths. I mean, it's hard to
stomach this stuff, Peter, it really is.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
What about this.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Also similar difficult to stomach Labour's doing secret vote swapping
deals with candidates. These are Greens candidates who defend Humus
and claim that Zionism is on the side of the Nazis.
The PM says, you know, I'm not going to do
a deal with the Greens. Well bs to that, because
you look at his website. The Labor Party website's got
(46:59):
all they had to vote up there. Now almost every
single one of them are preferencing.
Speaker 17 (47:04):
The Greens, even here in my set of Capricornia, where look,
let's face it, the Greens has got no hope of
getting up here. But it's the signal it sends. There
are so many people working within our coal mining industries,
within our police force, whether it be the agriculture sector,
all these sectors are being harassed by the Greens and
we are constantly making provisions when Labor and government to
(47:28):
take on Green's policy. And why is that, Well, if
you want their preferences, you've got to bend in flex
to the left, and so to get that second preference,
they've already done deals behind the scenes. Anthony albernez He says, oh,
we want to do a deal with the Greens, but yes,
you've done it already and it is going to be
chaotic in this nextreme of Parliament because the Greens will
(47:49):
hold them to account and they'll hold that balance.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Ushvin James Ashby just quickly.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
The reports today though that your boss will not do
a preference arrangement with the coalition, and what's this mean?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Give me some more flesh on that one.
Speaker 17 (48:04):
I feel like I'm in front of the head master here, Peter. Look,
you and I have said on numerous occasions. I've told
you this so many times your audience as well, Labor,
the Teals and the Greens go last. I can't make
it any clearer. So I don't know where the confusion
has come from with that report in the Australian. The
only thing that Pauline Hanson said in the last twenty
four hours was there are a couple of small minor
(48:24):
parties like Family First or the Libertarians that we were
going to put ahead of the Liberal Party or the
National Party. But with that said, the Liberals will get
our preferences ahead of Labor, the Teals and the Greens.
With that said, I'll give you a bit of breaking
news here. In the last twelve hours, the Executive met today.
I was part of that discussion. We have moved as
(48:46):
a result of the deceitful behavior of Clive Palmer's party.
We have moved in about eleven seats. Peter Dutton is
one of them, Patterson's another one, Whitlam's another and also
the Hunter. We've moved either the National Party or the
Liberal Party into the second spot behind us to make
sure there's no confusion in seats that the Liberal Party
(49:06):
either need to retain or need to win. We're going
to help them do it. And had a seat full
of Clive Palmer to put every sitting coalition Conservative member
last on his how to vote cards. That is disgraceful
if you've.
Speaker 10 (49:18):
Thought about voting for him.
Speaker 17 (49:19):
Abandoned ship, get off his boat.
Speaker 7 (49:22):
It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Just quickly on that point, just quickly, I want to
get this in Flinders, this is the seat in the
morning to Pinentially in Victoria, they're candidate for Clive Palmer.
Down there, a guy called Jason Smart. He's been saying,
I can't stand the Teals, don't support the Teals. Well
he finds out that Palm has done a deal with
the Teals and he's walking away from Palmer.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Gary Hargraves, Well, that's.
Speaker 10 (49:45):
The sort of leadership you need more of, and good
on him for doing so. Look the simple story in Flinders.
Everywhere around the country, you're going to get elbow if
you don't vote for Dada.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's really simple.
Speaker 10 (49:54):
Are you better off than you're worth three years ago?
That's the question you have to answer.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Oh God, if only the Liberals could be as simple
as that. Gary Hargraves gotta leave it their jets. Thank
you both of your times, See you next week. That's
it for me.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Uh Andrew Bolt up next.
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