April 22, 2025 • 47 mins
The election campaign is suspended following the Pope’s death, and a pub owner on the billboard battle that’s blown up in Kooyong. Plus, Tony Abbott on what's going on with Russians and Indonesia.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to have your
companies always. Here's what's coming up tonight. Today's decision to
suspend the election campaign due to the death of the Pope,
Reverence all Rank politics, I'll let you be the judge.
In a moment Labour once lampooned him as Captain Catholic,
didn't they well?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
How the worms turned? Today? Former PM Toney.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Ava joins me to does gas Labour's preference deal with
the grand And those shocking revelations last night on Four
Corners about a former ASO spy undercover agent who's gone
public about jihadi cells operating in Australia and is now
in hiding. Plus the billboard battle that's blown up in
Kugyong as a fight up Publiclan claims the local council's
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running a political hit job, demanding he remove a sign
that exposes the pro voting record of Manique Ryan, that
Hawthorne pub owner with Miss Shortley speaking of Couyong, Manick
Ryan well caught out today in another awkward exchange with
the media, this time my Sky News colleague Laura jays
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Hi how.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Are you going this morning?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We're just live on Sky just trying to oh, yeah,
we don't want to interrupt, but we just wanted to know, Yeah,
we are well.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
In the interest of fitter transparency, we.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Just thought maybe we just want to know how your
campaign's going this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's going well, Thanks, Laurence. I am here to engage
your photo through a prepole. It's at the Little Literary. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The first my judgment of Anthony Albanezi, as you know,
is that he says one thing and then does another,
such as.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
This day's three tax scuts will come into effect.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
In July in full. Well, we haven't changed our position
on that, Micael.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I just asked that question again.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Can you promise as you did before the election of
stay three tax cuts will come in in full in July. Well, well,
I've said we haven't changed our position and we can
you promise crime Master, I've said I can't be clearer
than that.
Speaker 8 (02:03):
Stage three tax cuts are they going ahead?
Speaker 7 (02:05):
And when? Well, we haven't changed our position on that,
we have no change to our plans. Tax cuts will
happen in July. We're being very upfront with the Australian
people that when economic circumstances have changed. It is the
responsible thing to do to change our policy and this
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reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
and seventy five dollars a year, there'll be reduction for
households of two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or that it does one thing and then says another,
like what he fell at the stage and then denied
what we all saw on.
Speaker 9 (02:54):
TV photos with everyone okay in the middle.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I stepped back one step. I didn't fall up the stage,
just one leg went down.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But I was sweet.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
This is a man who will do or say anything
whatsoever he has to to hang on to power. And
I feel like that's what happened today as a prime
minister suspended the election campaign. He says to more on
the death of Pope Francis in Rome. Now, as a
Catholic myself, fair enough, I think it's right to mark
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the death of the pope. He is, after all, or was,
a significant world leader, not just for those of my faith,
but humanity globally. But since when did the death of
a pope stop the nation? And since when did it
stop an Australian election campaign? Anthony Albernese has always said
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that his mother instilled in him three great faiths, the
Labor Party, the South Sydney Rugby League Club, the Rabbidos
and the Catholic Church. Maybe so, but that didn't stop
his official biographer writing this in her book on Alberan
Ezy in twenty sixteen, that Anthony is dubious. She wrote
about some of the doctrines of the church and some
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of the biblical details of the life and activity of Jesus.
Asked if he believes in God, he doesn't give an
answer yes or no, said alban Easy.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I have a.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Belief in some form of spirituality, but I think that
something that's really private. I've never gone on about it publicly,
well until now. Last night, in addition to an official
statement on the death of the pontiff, there was a
late night visit to Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne, a company,
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of course by a photographer for a picture that was
all over the newspapers this morning. Followed up then my
Mass at seven a m formal press conference after that
where he announced today that he would suspend official campaigning,
the last time a federal election campaign was suspended like
This was in twenty ten when we lost an sas
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soldier on the battlefield if of Afghanistan, and Julia Gillard
and Tony Abbott, while they stood down for the day,
attended his funeral as a mark of respect. Now as
relevant as the pope is for many Catholics. And I'm
mercy educated my whole life, and with the Jesuits too,
as I said me included, I don't think the two compare.
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I still can't look past the fact that this is
the same Albanesi who chose to repeatedly mock Tony Abbot's Catholicism,
attacking him as the mad Monk.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
And Tony Abbott, I mean, for goodness sake, the bloke
sits there in question time, says nothing for half of
the last part elementary sitting work, where two days gone
out of four he has yet to open his mouth
in the House of Representatives, I mean the book the
mad Monk has become a Trappist monk. He's taken a
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vow of silence, pretending that this has got nothing to
do with him.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And there were dozens and dozens of examples like that,
and his Catholic faith. Albaneze is Catholic faith such as
it is, didn't stop him from being one of the
very few political leaders to ever make an affirmation when
sworn into office, rather than swear an oath on the Bible.
It's the same PM two who wouldn't allow his senators
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a conscience vote last year when the question came up
about live births.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
After late term abortions.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Now, if the PM has had a midlife renewal of
his faith again, I say, as a Catholic, well, that's wonderful. Somehow,
I see this as more about a day off from
the campaign trail to staff his struggling opponent of oxygen
and make sure he can buy himself a whole day
to prep for tonight's latter's TV debate. This is a
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labor party, let's not forget, that's failed to legislate to
protect religious freedoms as promised. It's always under pressure from
its hard left green flank to defund religious schools, and
has argued against religious schools being able to hire and
fire teachers that reflect its values. Now, I'm all for
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commemorating the Pope's contribution to public life, but suspending our
election campaign for the leader of the Catholics or any
religious leader Islamic, Jewish or any faith. Well that strikes
an uncomfortable chord with me. Now, preferences, whenever the PM
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is asked about them, he always says, it's not his
des decision.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
I don't accept preferences, but go into polling booths and
put numbers next to names. So the preference allocation, of course,
will be done by the organizational wing.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Despite the fact, of course he's not telling you there
he is on the board of Labour's National executive. In fact,
he's got the casting vote. And whenever he's asked about
the Greens policies and whether or not it might become
labor policy after the election, well he says he won't negotiate.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
With the Greens.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
capital gains tests?
Speaker 9 (08:40):
How hard is it for the fiftieth.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Using this negotiators with the Greens in Horse former government
in Horse trading the votes and other matters. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Sorry, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
He says, or someone must have negotiated with the Green
It's because in every single seat, bar one, the Greens
or the Gucci Greens, the Teals, or they have received
Labour's top preference. The only seat with Labor are not
preferencing the Greens. They're not preferencing anyone here instead running
a genuinely open ticket is the Melbourne seat in McNamara,
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where the sitting Labor and PA is Jewish. Apparently he
asked for a dispensation on the grounds that he couldn't
countenance preferencing a party that's failed to condemn humas.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's the only one.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And I suppose that explains why when appearing with Josh
Burns over the weekend, the Prime Minister refused to take
questions on preferences. He was asked here about his Attorney General,
also Jewish, Mark Dreyfus.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well he's preferencing the Greens.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Today, we learn poor old Josh Burns, Well he's been
gagged by the Prime Minister. He sees yet again the
story of a Labour leader who wants to have it
both ways, attacking the Greens is extremists when it suits him,
but then doing preference deals with them because there's nothing
he won't do or say to cling on to power.
Do a deal with the devil, sure, says the Prime Minister.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'll preference.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The Greens promise voters you'll cut their power bills, even
if he never will. Absolutely, he did that, didn't he.
It's no surprise at most of my viewers. Well, you're
now calling him the liar in the lodge, because that's
who he is. If he survives because of the Greens,
there will be wealth taxes, death duties, illicit drug legislation
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and the end to or fossil fuel use in this country.
The PM fours would no doubt say that he's got
no real choice here because at least a dozen of
his MPs owe their seats to Green preferences.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But if he.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Really does believe the Greens are an extremist party as
he says, or that he's got to put them last,
or at least put the coalition candidate ahead of them,
after all, that's what labors of Peter Dutton's doing, except
in a handful of seats where there's even a more
unsavory candidate than the Green. Yet again, this is a
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Prime Minister who says one thing and does another, and
when challenged he prevaricates. As we heard from Aden Bant
two weeks ago at the Press Club, the number one
deal breaker for the Greens is an end to negative gearing.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
I can announce today that the Greens will make reforming
negative gearing in the capital gains text discount a priority
in the next Parliament, including when there's a minority government.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The abounds if it happens to a massive new tax
on landlords, which will put up rents as landlords seek
to protect their returns and massively reduced supply as landlords
sell out of suddenly unprofitable housing. Modeling published today suggests
that ending negative gearing for rental properties and abolishing the
capital gains tax discounts, another demand of the Greens, will
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increase rents by some eighty three dollars a week and
prompt almost half a million rental properties to be withdrawn
from the market. Yet, by engaging in what amounts to
an electoral deal with the Greens and negotiating with them
even by proxy, the PMS effectively created a Labor Greens alliance,
and what an unholy alliance. That is just one example
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in the seat of Blaxland in Sydney's West, where Labour's
Education Minister Jason Clair's preferency at number two. A Greens
candidate who has claimed that and I quote the overwhelming
majority of israelis a genocidal, racist scum. Now, honestly, you
can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.
Whatever the PM might say about the Greens, it's what
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he does that matters the lyre in the lodge. So
you tell me why he's not worthy of being re elected. Well,
as I prefaced, quite sedate day on the campaign trail
for the moment, at least the PM suspending events to
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more on the death of Pope Francis. Both men though
emerging later tonight for the third official election debate. For
an update on the PM's movements, he's a report from
Julia Bradley.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
The Prime Minister and Opposition leader of spend the afternoon
preparing for another leader's debate. Earlier, they paused campaigning in
honor of Pope Francis Anthony Albanezi, remembering the man who
was loved by people of all faiths, not just Catholics.
He visited Saint Patrick's Cathedral alongside Dean of the Cathedral,
Monsignor Stuart Hall, before attending a mass in the Pope's honor.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
He was indeed the people's Pope. He was tireless in
advocating for the powerless, campaigning against poverty, for the rights
of working people, and for protecting a natural environment.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
The Prime Minister reflected on how his Catholic upbringing has
shaped his politics by informing his social justice values.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
And he was someone who I personally admired as well
as someone who his values that he put forward. He
had a great deal of courage as well.
Speaker 11 (14:24):
He was.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Very much a modern leader in the way that he
conducted himself.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
All Commonwealth flags have flown at Half Masterday out of
respect for the Pope. Early voting has now begun and
more than fifty percent of Australians are expected to cast
their ballot ahead of May three.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Now let's have a look at the opposition leader's day
and what we might expect out of tonight's debate. Trudy
Macintosh filed this report Peter.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
It was a very different day on the election campaign trail.
The Opposition leader had to abandon his plans to continue
campaigning in the region town of Orange in New South Wales,
instead coming here to where I am. A mass that
was held at Saint Mary's Cathedral today, attending mass alongside
hundreds of church goers gathered to mark the death of
Pope Francis. Peter Dutton sat alongside former Governor General Peter
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Cosgrove and his wife Lynn. After mass, the Opposition leader
expressed his condolences to the Catholic community in Australia and
across the world.
Speaker 10 (15:29):
This is a moment of boarding, but it's also a
moment of celebration of a life that was one of sacrifice,
of mercy and of forbearans. One who drove change within
the church, but one who never forgot his roots and
his origins, and somebody who was always dedicated to helping
those much less fortunate than himself.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
The Opposition leader officially suspended his election campaign for today.
He had started the morning in Orange the election events,
though there had to be ditched. The schedule changed to
allow mister Dutton to come here to church in Sydney instead.
He will now spend the afternoon preparing for the third
televised Leader's debate before campaigning will resume in Ernes tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Campaign Tranquie not so the other issues around Johnny man
Owsky's political limitor, Andrew Clanell angelost art with a suspended
campaign today. I made the point the last time it
was suspended in my knowledge. Twenty ten, we had the
death of a digger in Afghanistan and the funeral was
in Australia. Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott suspended campaigning on
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that day to attend the funeral. But it strikes me
as a bit bizarre the PMS or Captain Catholic now
is shutting down campaigning. And I made the point, you know,
in my editorial he used to call Tony Abbott the
mad monk, but now we are recognizing the death of
the Pope as we should. But I have to say,
even as a Catholic, I think shutting down the campaign
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is highly irregular.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah, I just don't think it really matters Peter. It's
my day and they're debating tonight, so I don't think
it's that big a deal. I think he could have
handled it better. He should have rung Dutton and said
do you want to pause? Is that okay? He didn't
do that. He announced the pause. He only contacted or
texted Peter Dutton as I reported this afternoon, in relation
to the debate and whether that shouldn't go ahead, and
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then said, oh it's okay, we'll go ahead with it.
But you know, if you're going to pause a campaign,
surely you need the agreement of the other leader rather
than saying I'm pausing my campaign because you and ble
I don't want to press conference with a bunch of
other questions other than the pope's death. So not ideal
won't affect the result at all, doesn't really matter they're
debating tonight.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Well, we see for other leaders.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Now, you know when the head of the Hindu faith
or the leader of the Church of the Unit. Well
we did that with the Anglicans, of course, because that
was the queen invested in the head of state as well.
I mean, are we going to see this across the
board for all faiths?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now? Given how much the left life like diversity.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Well, twenty percent of the electorate's Catholic, so I think
it's just sort of probably a different, different situation.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Is that an admission that it's a political consideration?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Andrew?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Oh, well, I don't have to admit anything. I just
had my views, Peter, I'm not a politician.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I'm just asking the point. I think it's highly political. Anyway,
let's talk about political.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
It's an election campaign. Everything's political, I guess.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Right, Okay, significant soft vote out there tonight's debate. What
are going to be looking for in terms of both
performances And do you think at this stage now prepoll's
obviously opening today, the election now in under two weeks time,
can Peter Dutton claw back momentum?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Well, I think he needs to go on the counter attack.
I mean, I think that's what's been lacking. I know
Peter Dutton is not very happy with what the labor
ads in Anthony Albanese has been saying and believes that
there blatant lies. And I would say if that's the case,
perhaps he should be opening every press conference with a
spiel about that before he gets to his policy announcement,
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because I don't think he's pressed it hard enough publicly.
And the two biggest issues I think are the six
hundred bion dollar figure on nuclear power. Now having said that,
I've had two shadows on the last couple of days
and they haven't been able to name me what the
actual figure is. But even the report that that's based
on in the advertising Peter I just pulled that out.
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It's in the Guardian. It's from the Smart Energy Council,
who are pro renewables, and they say a maximum of
six hundred and a minimum potentially of one hundred and
sixteen bon. So that is what the every press conference.
Anthony Albanesi, having been on the road with him, is
getting up and saying it's six hundred billion dollars worth
of cuts to pay for nuclear power and it's all spurious.
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Now Peter Dutton needs to attack that. I think I
suspect someone said, oh, you know, you look like too
much of a hard man. You shouldn't do that. But
how else do you attack you know that sort of
spurious grounds being used against you. Then there's the urgent
care clinics. I Anne rusted on Politics now this afternoon
she's saying we're not cutting any urgent care clinics. In fact,
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we will announce and again they're taking too long to
announce this, our own urgent care clinics that perhaps aren't
in labor marginal seats. So I do think in the
debate Peter Dutt needs to come out in the front
foot and say you're lying about this. You're lying about this.
People need to know when they come to this election
these advertisements you're seeing are not based on fact. They
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are based in error and deliberately so and I think
he needs to say it loud and clear for every
single day of this election campaign. If he has the
view that he is not being fairly treated in terms
of this, he needs to enunciate it every day and
more consistent on message. That's what Peter Dutton needs to do.
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Can he come back, Yes he can, But the problem
is because he's behind. He needs a completely error free
last week, and after the way the campaign's gone with
things like Jane Hime's work from home policy and how
that went down like a stone and a couple of
other gas, you would have to think that the campaigns
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who are going to stuff up in the last week,
Peter Dutton's more likely to. He needs an error free
last week. He needs to nail the last week and
I suspect he probably will win this debate tonight, to
be honest, but I don't think that's as important as
getting that message across for the last week and a half.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And therein goes my point. We know that they'll both
go very quiet and respectful on Friday with Anzac day,
so to lose a whole day on the campaign front.
Even if he was to go to the jugular as
you recommended, I could agree with you more. He's not
doing that, he's not doing it enough. And mate, you
don't need to read the Guardian. If you read my
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column from last week in the Oars, I pull apart
that costing from the Smart Energy Council and exactly all
the labor hacks that sit behind it and the involvement
of people like Simon Holmes a court.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I mean, it's a front organization.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's everywhere on Labour's billboards, it's in the stuff that's
in your letterbox, and it's not contested by the Liberals.
And the six hundred figure is the absolute high end.
And there's nowhere in the world where there has been
a nuclear system built at that cost. So it's you know,
like this one out of the air. But the Libs
are not in the ring. That's my problem right now,
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curious agree in the ring.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Look the last night I was watching prime Time free
to Airpeter, I saw two of those six hundred bion
dollar ads within three ads. So for people who don't engage,
which is most Australians, thank goodness, we live in a
country free enough that you really have to engage half
the time, that's all they see. So you know, if
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you're not fighting that, you're going to lose to it.
And I just think they've made so many mistakes in
this campaign and this is another one. They need to
be on the front foot hitting this hard. He needs
to put aside this. Oh you look like the hard man.
Just be yourself and tackle what you believe to be
the lie. And because frankly, I don't want to see
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a situation in this country where people can go into
campaigns exaggerating and think they can just get away with it.
I know what happens all the time to some extent,
are some of this stuff is some of this stuff
is next level and it needs to be called out.
And the only way it's going to be called out
is if Peter doesn't keep saying it over and over
again for the next week and a half. And if
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he doesn't, he's mad.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You're not wrong. We are in agreement, Thank you. Angel.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Can now now look, as I mentioned polling open today
many if you have asked me to remind Australia it's
just how they make their vote count on the ballot paper.
So to do this, I've roped in our chief electioned analyst,
Tom Connell to give everyone this little refresher.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
May three is election day in Australia and voting is mandatory,
which means that all Australian citizens over the age of
eighteen must be enrolled to vote. Vallet to vote will
get you a fifty five dollars fine. While some eligible
people can vote by post, most will head to one
of seven thousand plus polling stations around the country. About
five hundred centers are available for you to vote early now.
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If eligible. Your electorate is determined by where you live.
There are maps which divide the country, and those maps
may have changed from the last election, so double check
before you vote. After having your name checked off at
a polling location, you'll be given to ballot papers. The
small green one is for the House of Representatives to
decide your local area MP. Here you number your CA
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candidates in the order of your preference, starting with number
one and going to the end. The white ballot paper
is to decide your state or territory representatives in the Senate.
You can choose to vote above the line by numbering
at least six boxes, or below the line, where you
need to number at least twelve candidates in the order
of your choice. Polls are open from eight am to
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six pm on May three, Democracy at Play.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Road in Campbell Road.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Of course, it's important to remind everyone too that you
control your preferences. You don't have to follow anyone's how
to vote cards. It's also worth noting too just how
big pre pollings become in recent elections. At the last election,
so this is twenty twenty two, thirty seven percent of
US pre polled, fourteen percent of US cast a postal vote.
I suspect both those numbers will go up again this year.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Now. The vote splits here are interesting too.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
At the last election, Labor led the coalition, albeit slightly,
when it came to picking up pre poll votes and
the numbers on the actual pole, while the Coalition was
just ahead on postal votes.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Now to the billboard battle.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It's blown up in Cuyong, a Hawthorn pub owner has
accused his local council of a political hit job after
he was ordered to take down a sign that highlighted
the parliamentary voting record of his local MP, that MP
Ku Young Teal Manique Ryan. Now here's the sign that
tower hotel publican Joe Ramuro has been told to remove,
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exposing the fact that the Ryan Doctor Ryan has voted
with the Greens some seventy seven percent of the time,
and that's the highest parliamentary vote with the Greens of
any of the Teals. That sign on the Tower Hotel
put up with the help of the Liberal Party. Well,
it's sparked protests, legal threats, and a war of words
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about censorship, council over each and political bias. Joining me now,
the man in the center of it all Tower Hotel
publican Joe from She's wheeze, Joe, You've really put your
head in a lion's mouth with this one something like that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
There.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So it is a sign, and I've checked all the
statistics based on evidence from her parliamentary voting record. As
she wants integrity and transparency in politics, why is she
so upset with the truth being known?
Speaker 12 (27:20):
I'm not sure. It's obviously ruffled a few feathers within
her group and no sooner did the sign go up
and the next day there was a rally protest at
the front of the hotel. Yeah. Yeah, So I think
it's important at the constituents in the area know the facts,
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and I mean they voted for an independent. But she's
based on her voting record. It's not really you know
that she's not behaving like an independent.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Talk to me about the run Dara council, because they
have told you to take this sign down.
Speaker 12 (27:58):
They have, Yeah, they've threatened prosecution against me personally. And
they say, are they saying that I'm only told they
have one sign and that that that it breaches the
planning permit that's attached to the sign.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And have you taken it down?
Speaker 7 (28:16):
No?
Speaker 12 (28:17):
I haven't. No, it's still there.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
What are your patriots thinking about it? I love it.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
I'm getting phone calls each and every day throughout the day,
people complementing the sign, thanking me for putting it up.
I've had people come in the hotel today wanting to
meet me and congratulate me for putting the sign and
stick to my guns and do just leave the sign
where it is? We love it, you know. That's the
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that's the that's the feedback on getting.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So if I wanted to put a sign in my
front yard or on my house, and you see plenty
of political signs as you're driving around the streets to
the moment in the campaign, that doesn't seem to be
an impediment.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Is the problem.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Here that you've got a very high profile site, you know,
and it's a big sign.
Speaker 12 (29:00):
Potentially there's there's thousands of cars and pedestrians that wander
through there each day.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So potentially what's going to happen if you don't take
it down.
Speaker 12 (29:11):
Well, we'll wait and see. I don't know, but they've
threatened prosecution. I'm not sure whether they're going to follow
through with that or not at this point. But we'll
bat on and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And just last one, have you heard from Manique Ryan?
Speaker 12 (29:31):
No? I haven't, No, I haven't. I did meet her
at the hotel the day of the rally.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
She was at the front.
Speaker 12 (29:37):
She was at the front with her with her group.
And then when they when they finished the rally, as
the rain started to tumble, they came into the hotel
and had some drinks and some snacks and told her
that we couldn't be friends because we we have viewsed
on a line. She said she'd called me and she
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as my number. I'm still waiting for that call. That
was several weeks back. And then then Pinch and Peak
got to work and so and that that sort of
started a whole.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So this was all before the husband stole the side. Goodness, fine,
she's had a shock of a campaign, you body looks
at it and had a good win in terms of
freedom of speech.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
But we'll see what happens to you.
Speaker 12 (30:23):
Yeah, well, hopefully Amelia and her team will will you know,
get the result that they that they deserve. They're working
very hard and a lot of I mean the people
that I speak to that roll through the businesses, hundreds
and thousands of people that come throughout their week after week,
and the general feeling is that you know that there's
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going to be a shift back to back to blue,
and hopefully she'll get the results she's she's a great
candidate for k Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Right, we'll stick to guns.
Speaker 12 (30:56):
Yeah we will. All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
There's a pub to support in Melbourne, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Shore After break, tony Ama joins me to discuss the campaign,
Labour's preference deal with the Greens, and what the heck's
going on with the Russians in Indonesia, plus the explosive
allegations from a former ASIO spy and Islamic hate preachers
in our.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Midst welcome back.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
A lot of you want to know where Joe Romaro's
pub is the Tower Hotel in Hawthorne, corner of Burward
and Campberdoll Road. We're going to get into the Islamists
inside prison systems across the world. That's coming up, so
worry here in Australia as well. But first, despite Anthony
I'm an easy trying to dismiss growing ties between Moscow
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and Jakarta as Russian propaganda, Indonesia's now revealed it is
in fact on the brink forming.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
A space partnership with Russia.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It comes as a security experts warned Australia that we
are being outplayed by Russia and China in our own backyard.
Joining me now, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Well, I'm
interested in your take on what's going on here with
Russia and Indonesia, but I am surprised we're now a
week on. Despite multiple requests, the government, despite caretaker conventions,
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have denied the opposition are briefing on this.
Speaker 13 (32:22):
Peter, even outside an election campaign. There should be a
readiness to give security briefings from the government to the
opposition inside an election campaign when everyone is supposed to
be equal. Well, it's a scandal that there's been no
security briefing for the opposition, and frankly it's a I
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think it's a real failure on the government's part. If
this space cooperation between Indonesia and Russia has been ongoing
and they appear to know nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Either they know nothing about it and they've been caught
flat foot and this is our government, or they've known
all the way along and they're not allowing the opposition
to be fully briefed on how involved or how informed
Australia has been. Either way it's to be condemned.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
Look, what happens in West Papua is essentially happening in
our backyard, and for the Australian government to be ignorant
about what's happening in our own backyard is a sign
of a government which has badly dropped the ball on
national security.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
The PM has repeatedly said that he will not do
a deal with the Greens, but clearly someone has and
he's on the National Executive, he's got the casting vote,
so I'm tipping he's been all over this.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
There's a preference deal with Labor and the Greens.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
The Greens are preferencing Labour's preferencing the Greens in all
but one of the one hundred.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And fifty seats of the Lower House. Are you surprised here?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Look, I'm not surprised, but I'm amazed at the Prime
Minister is able to get away with this. Nothing happens
in an election campaign, Nothing significant happens in an election
campaign without the approval of the party leader. It's as
simple as that. So plainly, the Prime Minister is in
favor of giving the anti Israel extreme left Greens second preferences,
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which essentially means that Labor and the Greens are operating
in an alliance. And should there be a minority government
situation after the election, it's absolutely certain as Nightfallow's day,
the wide elements of the Greens policy will be adopted
by Labor, including wealth taxes including the abolition and negative gearing,
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which obviously is going to mean, as you said in
your editorial, much higher rents and much less that.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Was experienced when Paul Keating dumped absolutely right and brought
it back.
Speaker 13 (34:54):
And look on the fundamentals of the election, nothing has
changed over This campaign lied its way into government. They
have been epically incompetent in government. They're now lying like
flatfish to stay in government. And frankly, a government which
has such a thin relationship with the truth as this
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one has no right to reelection.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Just on negative gearing.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
The Prime Minister says I have no plans, I have
no intention, but he won't rule it out. You know
what labor liked for an election, and we saw this
with the carbon tax.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
On Julia Gillard.
Speaker 13 (35:35):
Of course, I mean Julia Gillard's notorious statement there will
be no carbon tax under a government I lead. She
finds herself in a minority situation. To stay in office,
she does the carbon tax deal with the Greens. You
just can't trust this government anyway. Any government that promised
to cut your power bill by two hundred and seventy
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five dollars per household per year failed so spectacularly is
a government that can't be taken seriously. And as we
know from better experience, when the Prime Minister says he
has no plans to increase taxes, there means no plans today,
but tomorrow, well, whatever it takes.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I need to get your reaction on a story that
featured in four Corners, where an Asio spy broke cover
to reveal that the fundamentalist Sydney Islamic preacher with some
hard ed is the spiritual leader of a pro Islamic
state network in Australia. This is what he has told
four corners, speaking under the code name of Marcus Ads.
Speaker 11 (36:42):
You'll think you are in an ISOL camp in Syria
or in rak the materials of ISOL videos, the songs
of isols. Aware about all this informmation, You said events
at Al Madinad Center were like an isis training camp
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for young people.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So he preaches in so called youth organizations around Sydney.
This is a former ASIO undercover operative. He says, this
is a training ground for Islamic State. How is it
that this form spy is at risk of his life
and prosecution from the government for speaking the truth. But
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we've got these hate preachers in Sydney, not one that
I have ever seen who has been deported.
Speaker 13 (37:36):
The pro Australian person is in diabolical trouble. The anti
Australian person is getting off scot free. I mean, what
kind of craziness is this? Why should the ASIO informant
be living in fear of prosecution in another country for
his own safety And this guy who apparently wants to
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overthrow our democracy and replace it with sharia, lawa and
the caliphate. He's not deported, he's not even prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I got to just.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Touch on the Pope before we go because a couple
of things, both the legacy of Frances. But before we
get to that, Labor used to deride you as Captain Catholic.
I played a little bit at the top of the show.
You wouldn't have seen it of Anthony Albernez. He used
to jeer at you as the mad monk. I do
think it's extraordinary that he suspended the election campaign today
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out of reverence, he says for the Pope. I think
it's rank political campaigning. It denies Peter Dutton a day
out in the campaign trail. Of course they will not
be campaigning on Anzac Day on Friday, and it's coming
down to the wire. I think this is a poor
look to be honest.
Speaker 13 (38:50):
Well, Peter, naturally, I mourn the Pope's passing. He was
clearly a good man as well as the leader of
our church. Which as for the Prime Minister, well, look
he's been that church twice in the last twenty four
hours and I'm always delighted to see more people back
in church.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
So we call him captain Catholic, now do we?
Speaker 13 (39:13):
And at a papal miracle.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
At a papal miracle, you're very gracious total have able
to leave it there.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's a papal miracle that Anthony Albertezi has reinvigorated his
faith alright after the break Labour's Big Australia Agenda. It
will be a feature of a second term Albanesi government.
The evidence is clear, plast another shocker for Monique Ryan.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Thudy Fortherish is to get across right now, joining me
for the panel. CEO of the Page Research Center, Jared
Holland in Queensland, L ANDP Senator James McGrath, gents welcome.
I want to stay on the issue, James McGrath if
I can here first of Labour's Big Australia it's faded
a little from the cam PA and I think that's
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a mistake. We all know that's the long term labor agenda.
But reports today about a glut of Indian and Nepalese.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Students in Australia.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
These are foreign graduates, they're not Australian citizens. Most do
not have permanent residency. They're here on student visas, but
they will be allowed under Labour's rules to bring in
tens of thousands of their family members to accompany them here.
Why they finish work on post study visas. These are
numbers that are not factored in by Labor in their
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migration forecasts. Meeting as I say that Big Australia will
continue if they're elected. I don't know why that family
members of students on visas are allowed to come here.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I agree with you, Peter, it's certainly a bending of
the rules. We should always remember what John Howard said,
we decide who comes to this country and the circumstances
in which they come. And over the last three years
we've seen Labor bring in the population of Adelaide. So
if people wondering why house prices are so high, one
of the reasons is because of effectively this unchecked migration
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that has come in the Coalition have got a very
simple plan that is we're going to make sure that
our migration levels are sustainable. But also to your point, Peter,
the people who come here, we need to make sure
that they add to Australia. So that means that the
yoga teachers who want to come come here because under
labor that's seen as a serious skill and as apparently
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a skilled shortage of yoga teachers. That's not going to happen.
We're going to make sure that those who come here
help grow Australia. But also people coming in through the
back door. That's something that does not pass the pub test.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, Jared, because the visa you give someone to come
here and starty on the presumption that they're going to
go home has a whole different checking of background as
the visa is to someone who comes here to live
in Australia permanently. They're very different categories, but they've being
backdoored because we're not selling an education outcome anymore. We're
selling a backdoor immigraciate one.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It looks like to me, Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
And just to give a sense of the scale, you're
looking at about two hundred thousand people currently who hold
these four to eight five visas. About twenty percent of
those are family members or sponsored spouses and others who
are here. They aren't people who conducted studies here who
are then able to work. I think a spouse is
able to work up to forty eight hours in the
next two weeks. Then that allows them the opportunity for
sponsorship and to stay in the country. And of course
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these people they're taking advantage of a system that has
been very generous to them. It's not their fault. I
would do the same if a country like Australia was
opening its doors and I didn't come from such a
wonderful land. But we as Australian citizens, we need to
be consulted on this. This should be on the ballot paper.
Is this the way that we want to be conducting ourselves,
What is the rate, what is the pace? And then
what is the cultural background of people that we want coming?
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And have we had that honest conversation with Australians as
to how that's all going about.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Spot On, talk to me about some modeling that your
team's done, because I think this is really interesting. It
centers around the Hunter electorate and the Ladell power plant
in that electorate and a transition across into nuclear. But
I want to make the point before I throw to you.
Of course, the Hunter, the electrotive Hunter, it's very very
tight at the moment, it's incredibly tight, held by labor
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but I think they're in real trouble. Tell me, how
did you land on an economic benefit figure for the
move from coal to nuclear and what is it?
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Well, we actually came to this a little while ago
because there was so much discussion about what a coal
to nuclear transition would look like in Australia and no
one had actually done the hard numbers on the ground
at that point as to what kind of jobs would
be brought, about, how many jobs are transferable, and we
commission this independent firm, Hatch to take a look at
it for us. The numbers were massive, So twenty nine
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billion dollars in benefit for the community in the Hunter
and broader regional New South. You're looking at about thirteen
thousand jobs during construction, another two and a half thousand
jobs year in, year out for the full life cycle
of the plant. Another six hundred and forty million for
the regions. This is all in addition to the cheap, reliable,
base load dispatchable power that could power these communities for
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the next sixty eighty one hundred years. And really important
that we actually start to give these communities the truth
about what this could mean for them, not just the
scam Mangreen that the Teals and the Greens and Labor
have been hosing them with.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Well, let's stay with the Teals, James McGrath, you know,
you could have a campaign that's a bit like a
really shocking game, a forty all bad game of tennis,
when you know every time you hit the net it
falls back the wrong way. When you put your toe
on the line, the balls called out, nothing's going your way.
I think that's what Manique Ryan would be feeling at
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the moment out on the hustings with her today.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
A pre pole was Laura Jays.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
She asked her for an interview and got this extraordinary sponds.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Have a look. I just want to know how your
campaign's going this morning. It's going well, thanks, Laurence.
Speaker 11 (45:06):
I am here to engage your photos through a pepole
that's into the military.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (45:10):
So I'm not sure that it's really ideal for you
to be interrupting to process.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Have you had any other.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Have you had any other thoughts about whether it's okay
to pay influences?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Thanks?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I call it a campaign, Karen, but I mean she's
campaigning on a transparency. Taxpayers are paying her wage, but
she won't talk to us.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Monique is a hypocrite. The teals are hypocrites. The teals
like to tell us what to do, but they don't
live by their own standards. You just look at it.
She talks about transparency all the time but can't answer
basic questions. I mean, she wasn't asked a question then
about how to solve the piece that the war in
the Middle East, So she wasn't asked how to split
the hour. She was asked a pretty simple question that
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she couldn't answer a week ago. She's got a husband
who's quite happily skipping around the electorate pilfering signs off
the Liberal Party. She's got a campaign who are running
a very dirty campaign against the Liberal Party candidate in
that seat, Amelia Haimer. But Monique, of course, is this
deity is above it all. She is a hypocrite. She
is spent the last three years in Parliament attacking the
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Liberal Party, not attacking the Labor Party. A vote for
her is a vote for Anthony Alberaneza to stay as
Prime Minister and more muscle to Peter and to Laura
and anyone who wants to put questions to her, because
she just can't answer them well.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Let's stay with hypocrites. We'll go to the Greens on
this one. They've accepted a donation of half a million
dollars from a professional gambler to fund their federal campaign.
This is at the same time Jared As they want
to crack down on gambling.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Advertising couldn't get more crooked.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
I mean, people have this perception. I think of the
Greens as they were in the nineties, of these kind
of tree hugging protect the forests. That couldn't be more
different from the Greens that we have today. Of course,
they're very happy to tear down forest and prime agricultural
land for renewable installations. They're very happy to take money
from big private donors and gamblers in order to sort
of play these hypocritic games out in the national stage.
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And I think this getting exposed is really going to
start to open voter's eyes that these aren't the Greens
that you thought you were voting for, and you cannot
possibly preference them above anyone else in this coming election.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
You are not wrong.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
They are Marxists now, They're not the tree huggers of
the They're not the nineties. I'd have to go back
to the seventies when they were tree huggers in their
tied eye Jens o Leve they're good luck with the
next week or so of the campaign.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
James mcgarth. I know you're out there on the hustings.
That's it for me. Great to have your company as always,
here's Andrew
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to have your
companies always. Here's what's coming up tonight. Today's decision to
suspend the election campaign due to the death of the Pope,
Reverence all Rank politics, I'll let you be the judge.
In a moment Labour once lampooned him as Captain Catholic,
didn't they well?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
How the worms turned? Today? Former PM Toney.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Ava joins me to does gas Labour's preference deal with
the grand And those shocking revelations last night on Four
Corners about a former ASO spy undercover agent who's gone
public about jihadi cells operating in Australia and is now
in hiding. Plus the billboard battle that's blown up in
Kugyong as a fight up Publiclan claims the local council's
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running a political hit job, demanding he remove a sign
that exposes the pro voting record of Manique Ryan, that
Hawthorne pub owner with Miss Shortley speaking of Couyong, Manick
Ryan well caught out today in another awkward exchange with
the media, this time my Sky News colleague Laura jays
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Hi how.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Are you going this morning?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We're just live on Sky just trying to oh, yeah,
we don't want to interrupt, but we just wanted to know, Yeah,
we are well.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
In the interest of fitter transparency, we.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Just thought maybe we just want to know how your
campaign's going this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's going well, Thanks, Laurence. I am here to engage
your photo through a prepole. It's at the Little Literary. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The first my judgment of Anthony Albanezi, as you know,
is that he says one thing and then does another,
such as.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
This day's three tax scuts will come into effect.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
In July in full. Well, we haven't changed our position
on that, Micael.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I just asked that question again.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Can you promise as you did before the election of
stay three tax cuts will come in in full in July. Well, well,
I've said we haven't changed our position and we can
you promise crime Master, I've said I can't be clearer
than that.
Speaker 8 (02:03):
Stage three tax cuts are they going ahead?
Speaker 7 (02:05):
And when? Well, we haven't changed our position on that,
we have no change to our plans. Tax cuts will
happen in July. We're being very upfront with the Australian
people that when economic circumstances have changed. It is the
responsible thing to do to change our policy and this
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reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
and seventy five dollars a year, there'll be reduction for
households of two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or that it does one thing and then says another,
like what he fell at the stage and then denied
what we all saw on.
Speaker 9 (02:54):
TV photos with everyone okay in the middle.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I stepped back one step. I didn't fall up the stage,
just one leg went down.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But I was sweet.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
This is a man who will do or say anything
whatsoever he has to to hang on to power. And
I feel like that's what happened today as a prime
minister suspended the election campaign. He says to more on
the death of Pope Francis in Rome. Now, as a
Catholic myself, fair enough, I think it's right to mark
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the death of the pope. He is, after all, or was,
a significant world leader, not just for those of my faith,
but humanity globally. But since when did the death of
a pope stop the nation? And since when did it
stop an Australian election campaign? Anthony Albernese has always said
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that his mother instilled in him three great faiths, the
Labor Party, the South Sydney Rugby League Club, the Rabbidos
and the Catholic Church. Maybe so, but that didn't stop
his official biographer writing this in her book on Alberan
Ezy in twenty sixteen, that Anthony is dubious. She wrote
about some of the doctrines of the church and some
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of the biblical details of the life and activity of Jesus.
Asked if he believes in God, he doesn't give an
answer yes or no, said alban Easy.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I have a.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Belief in some form of spirituality, but I think that
something that's really private. I've never gone on about it publicly,
well until now. Last night, in addition to an official
statement on the death of the pontiff, there was a
late night visit to Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne, a company,
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of course by a photographer for a picture that was
all over the newspapers this morning. Followed up then my
Mass at seven a m formal press conference after that
where he announced today that he would suspend official campaigning,
the last time a federal election campaign was suspended like
This was in twenty ten when we lost an sas
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soldier on the battlefield if of Afghanistan, and Julia Gillard
and Tony Abbott, while they stood down for the day,
attended his funeral as a mark of respect. Now as
relevant as the pope is for many Catholics. And I'm
mercy educated my whole life, and with the Jesuits too,
as I said me included, I don't think the two compare.
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I still can't look past the fact that this is
the same Albanesi who chose to repeatedly mock Tony Abbot's Catholicism,
attacking him as the mad Monk.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
And Tony Abbott, I mean, for goodness sake, the bloke
sits there in question time, says nothing for half of
the last part elementary sitting work, where two days gone
out of four he has yet to open his mouth
in the House of Representatives, I mean the book the
mad Monk has become a Trappist monk. He's taken a
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vow of silence, pretending that this has got nothing to
do with him.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And there were dozens and dozens of examples like that,
and his Catholic faith. Albaneze is Catholic faith such as
it is, didn't stop him from being one of the
very few political leaders to ever make an affirmation when
sworn into office, rather than swear an oath on the Bible.
It's the same PM two who wouldn't allow his senators
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a conscience vote last year when the question came up
about live births.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
After late term abortions.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Now, if the PM has had a midlife renewal of
his faith again, I say, as a Catholic, well, that's wonderful. Somehow,
I see this as more about a day off from
the campaign trail to staff his struggling opponent of oxygen
and make sure he can buy himself a whole day
to prep for tonight's latter's TV debate. This is a
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labor party, let's not forget, that's failed to legislate to
protect religious freedoms as promised. It's always under pressure from
its hard left green flank to defund religious schools, and
has argued against religious schools being able to hire and
fire teachers that reflect its values. Now, I'm all for
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commemorating the Pope's contribution to public life, but suspending our
election campaign for the leader of the Catholics or any
religious leader Islamic, Jewish or any faith. Well that strikes
an uncomfortable chord with me. Now, preferences, whenever the PM
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is asked about them, he always says, it's not his
des decision.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
I don't accept preferences, but go into polling booths and
put numbers next to names. So the preference allocation, of course,
will be done by the organizational wing.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Despite the fact, of course he's not telling you there
he is on the board of Labour's National executive. In fact,
he's got the casting vote. And whenever he's asked about
the Greens policies and whether or not it might become
labor policy after the election, well he says he won't negotiate.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
With the Greens.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
capital gains tests?
Speaker 9 (08:40):
How hard is it for the fiftieth.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Using this negotiators with the Greens in Horse former government
in Horse trading the votes and other matters. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Sorry, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
He says, or someone must have negotiated with the Green
It's because in every single seat, bar one, the Greens
or the Gucci Greens, the Teals, or they have received
Labour's top preference. The only seat with Labor are not
preferencing the Greens. They're not preferencing anyone here instead running
a genuinely open ticket is the Melbourne seat in McNamara,
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where the sitting Labor and PA is Jewish. Apparently he
asked for a dispensation on the grounds that he couldn't
countenance preferencing a party that's failed to condemn humas.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's the only one.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And I suppose that explains why when appearing with Josh
Burns over the weekend, the Prime Minister refused to take
questions on preferences. He was asked here about his Attorney General,
also Jewish, Mark Dreyfus.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well he's preferencing the Greens.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Today, we learn poor old Josh Burns, Well he's been
gagged by the Prime Minister. He sees yet again the
story of a Labour leader who wants to have it
both ways, attacking the Greens is extremists when it suits him,
but then doing preference deals with them because there's nothing
he won't do or say to cling on to power.
Do a deal with the devil, sure, says the Prime Minister.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'll preference.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The Greens promise voters you'll cut their power bills, even
if he never will. Absolutely, he did that, didn't he.
It's no surprise at most of my viewers. Well, you're
now calling him the liar in the lodge, because that's
who he is. If he survives because of the Greens,
there will be wealth taxes, death duties, illicit drug legislation
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and the end to or fossil fuel use in this country.
The PM fours would no doubt say that he's got
no real choice here because at least a dozen of
his MPs owe their seats to Green preferences.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But if he.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Really does believe the Greens are an extremist party as
he says, or that he's got to put them last,
or at least put the coalition candidate ahead of them,
after all, that's what labors of Peter Dutton's doing, except
in a handful of seats where there's even a more
unsavory candidate than the Green. Yet again, this is a
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Prime Minister who says one thing and does another, and
when challenged he prevaricates. As we heard from Aden Bant
two weeks ago at the Press Club, the number one
deal breaker for the Greens is an end to negative gearing.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
I can announce today that the Greens will make reforming
negative gearing in the capital gains text discount a priority
in the next Parliament, including when there's a minority government.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The abounds if it happens to a massive new tax
on landlords, which will put up rents as landlords seek
to protect their returns and massively reduced supply as landlords
sell out of suddenly unprofitable housing. Modeling published today suggests
that ending negative gearing for rental properties and abolishing the
capital gains tax discounts, another demand of the Greens, will
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increase rents by some eighty three dollars a week and
prompt almost half a million rental properties to be withdrawn
from the market. Yet, by engaging in what amounts to
an electoral deal with the Greens and negotiating with them
even by proxy, the PMS effectively created a Labor Greens alliance,
and what an unholy alliance. That is just one example
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in the seat of Blaxland in Sydney's West, where Labour's
Education Minister Jason Clair's preferency at number two. A Greens
candidate who has claimed that and I quote the overwhelming
majority of israelis a genocidal, racist scum. Now, honestly, you
can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.
Whatever the PM might say about the Greens, it's what
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he does that matters the lyre in the lodge. So
you tell me why he's not worthy of being re elected. Well,
as I prefaced, quite sedate day on the campaign trail
for the moment, at least the PM suspending events to
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more on the death of Pope Francis. Both men though
emerging later tonight for the third official election debate. For
an update on the PM's movements, he's a report from
Julia Bradley.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
The Prime Minister and Opposition leader of spend the afternoon
preparing for another leader's debate. Earlier, they paused campaigning in
honor of Pope Francis Anthony Albanezi, remembering the man who
was loved by people of all faiths, not just Catholics.
He visited Saint Patrick's Cathedral alongside Dean of the Cathedral,
Monsignor Stuart Hall, before attending a mass in the Pope's honor.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
He was indeed the people's Pope. He was tireless in
advocating for the powerless, campaigning against poverty, for the rights
of working people, and for protecting a natural environment.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
The Prime Minister reflected on how his Catholic upbringing has
shaped his politics by informing his social justice values.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
And he was someone who I personally admired as well
as someone who his values that he put forward. He
had a great deal of courage as well.
Speaker 11 (14:24):
He was.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Very much a modern leader in the way that he
conducted himself.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
All Commonwealth flags have flown at Half Masterday out of
respect for the Pope. Early voting has now begun and
more than fifty percent of Australians are expected to cast
their ballot ahead of May three.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Now let's have a look at the opposition leader's day
and what we might expect out of tonight's debate. Trudy
Macintosh filed this report Peter.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
It was a very different day on the election campaign trail.
The Opposition leader had to abandon his plans to continue
campaigning in the region town of Orange in New South Wales,
instead coming here to where I am. A mass that
was held at Saint Mary's Cathedral today, attending mass alongside
hundreds of church goers gathered to mark the death of
Pope Francis. Peter Dutton sat alongside former Governor General Peter
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Cosgrove and his wife Lynn. After mass, the Opposition leader
expressed his condolences to the Catholic community in Australia and
across the world.
Speaker 10 (15:29):
This is a moment of boarding, but it's also a
moment of celebration of a life that was one of sacrifice,
of mercy and of forbearans. One who drove change within
the church, but one who never forgot his roots and
his origins, and somebody who was always dedicated to helping
those much less fortunate than himself.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
The Opposition leader officially suspended his election campaign for today.
He had started the morning in Orange the election events,
though there had to be ditched. The schedule changed to
allow mister Dutton to come here to church in Sydney instead.
He will now spend the afternoon preparing for the third
televised Leader's debate before campaigning will resume in Ernes tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Campaign Tranquie not so the other issues around Johnny man
Owsky's political limitor, Andrew Clanell angelost art with a suspended
campaign today. I made the point the last time it
was suspended in my knowledge. Twenty ten, we had the
death of a digger in Afghanistan and the funeral was
in Australia. Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott suspended campaigning on
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that day to attend the funeral. But it strikes me
as a bit bizarre the PMS or Captain Catholic now
is shutting down campaigning. And I made the point, you know,
in my editorial he used to call Tony Abbott the
mad monk, but now we are recognizing the death of
the Pope as we should. But I have to say,
even as a Catholic, I think shutting down the campaign
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is highly irregular.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah, I just don't think it really matters Peter. It's
my day and they're debating tonight, so I don't think
it's that big a deal. I think he could have
handled it better. He should have rung Dutton and said
do you want to pause? Is that okay? He didn't
do that. He announced the pause. He only contacted or
texted Peter Dutton as I reported this afternoon, in relation
to the debate and whether that shouldn't go ahead, and
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then said, oh it's okay, we'll go ahead with it.
But you know, if you're going to pause a campaign,
surely you need the agreement of the other leader rather
than saying I'm pausing my campaign because you and ble
I don't want to press conference with a bunch of
other questions other than the pope's death. So not ideal
won't affect the result at all, doesn't really matter they're
debating tonight.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Well, we see for other leaders.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Now, you know when the head of the Hindu faith
or the leader of the Church of the Unit. Well
we did that with the Anglicans, of course, because that
was the queen invested in the head of state as well.
I mean, are we going to see this across the
board for all faiths?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now? Given how much the left life like diversity.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Well, twenty percent of the electorate's Catholic, so I think
it's just sort of probably a different, different situation.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Is that an admission that it's a political consideration?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Andrew?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Oh, well, I don't have to admit anything. I just
had my views, Peter, I'm not a politician.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I'm just asking the point. I think it's highly political. Anyway,
let's talk about political.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
It's an election campaign. Everything's political, I guess.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Right, Okay, significant soft vote out there tonight's debate. What
are going to be looking for in terms of both
performances And do you think at this stage now prepoll's
obviously opening today, the election now in under two weeks time,
can Peter Dutton claw back momentum?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Well, I think he needs to go on the counter attack.
I mean, I think that's what's been lacking. I know
Peter Dutton is not very happy with what the labor
ads in Anthony Albanese has been saying and believes that
there blatant lies. And I would say if that's the case,
perhaps he should be opening every press conference with a
spiel about that before he gets to his policy announcement,
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because I don't think he's pressed it hard enough publicly.
And the two biggest issues I think are the six
hundred bion dollar figure on nuclear power. Now having said that,
I've had two shadows on the last couple of days
and they haven't been able to name me what the
actual figure is. But even the report that that's based
on in the advertising Peter I just pulled that out.
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It's in the Guardian. It's from the Smart Energy Council,
who are pro renewables, and they say a maximum of
six hundred and a minimum potentially of one hundred and
sixteen bon. So that is what the every press conference.
Anthony Albanesi, having been on the road with him, is
getting up and saying it's six hundred billion dollars worth
of cuts to pay for nuclear power and it's all spurious.
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Now Peter Dutton needs to attack that. I think I
suspect someone said, oh, you know, you look like too
much of a hard man. You shouldn't do that. But
how else do you attack you know that sort of
spurious grounds being used against you. Then there's the urgent
care clinics. I Anne rusted on Politics now this afternoon
she's saying we're not cutting any urgent care clinics. In fact,
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we will announce and again they're taking too long to
announce this, our own urgent care clinics that perhaps aren't
in labor marginal seats. So I do think in the
debate Peter Dutt needs to come out in the front
foot and say you're lying about this. You're lying about this.
People need to know when they come to this election
these advertisements you're seeing are not based on fact. They
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are based in error and deliberately so and I think
he needs to say it loud and clear for every
single day of this election campaign. If he has the
view that he is not being fairly treated in terms
of this, he needs to enunciate it every day and
more consistent on message. That's what Peter Dutton needs to do.
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Can he come back, Yes he can, But the problem
is because he's behind. He needs a completely error free
last week, and after the way the campaign's gone with
things like Jane Hime's work from home policy and how
that went down like a stone and a couple of
other gas, you would have to think that the campaigns
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who are going to stuff up in the last week,
Peter Dutton's more likely to. He needs an error free
last week. He needs to nail the last week and
I suspect he probably will win this debate tonight, to
be honest, but I don't think that's as important as
getting that message across for the last week and a half.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And therein goes my point. We know that they'll both
go very quiet and respectful on Friday with Anzac day,
so to lose a whole day on the campaign front.
Even if he was to go to the jugular as
you recommended, I could agree with you more. He's not
doing that, he's not doing it enough. And mate, you
don't need to read the Guardian. If you read my
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column from last week in the Oars, I pull apart
that costing from the Smart Energy Council and exactly all
the labor hacks that sit behind it and the involvement
of people like Simon Holmes a court.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I mean, it's a front organization.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's everywhere on Labour's billboards, it's in the stuff that's
in your letterbox, and it's not contested by the Liberals.
And the six hundred figure is the absolute high end.
And there's nowhere in the world where there has been
a nuclear system built at that cost. So it's you know,
like this one out of the air. But the Libs
are not in the ring. That's my problem right now,
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curious agree in the ring.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Look the last night I was watching prime Time free
to Airpeter, I saw two of those six hundred bion
dollar ads within three ads. So for people who don't engage,
which is most Australians, thank goodness, we live in a
country free enough that you really have to engage half
the time, that's all they see. So you know, if
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you're not fighting that, you're going to lose to it.
And I just think they've made so many mistakes in
this campaign and this is another one. They need to
be on the front foot hitting this hard. He needs
to put aside this. Oh you look like the hard man.
Just be yourself and tackle what you believe to be
the lie. And because frankly, I don't want to see
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a situation in this country where people can go into
campaigns exaggerating and think they can just get away with it.
I know what happens all the time to some extent,
are some of this stuff is some of this stuff
is next level and it needs to be called out.
And the only way it's going to be called out
is if Peter doesn't keep saying it over and over
again for the next week and a half. And if
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he doesn't, he's mad.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You're not wrong. We are in agreement, Thank you. Angel.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Can now now look, as I mentioned polling open today
many if you have asked me to remind Australia it's
just how they make their vote count on the ballot paper.
So to do this, I've roped in our chief electioned analyst,
Tom Connell to give everyone this little refresher.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
May three is election day in Australia and voting is mandatory,
which means that all Australian citizens over the age of
eighteen must be enrolled to vote. Vallet to vote will
get you a fifty five dollars fine. While some eligible
people can vote by post, most will head to one
of seven thousand plus polling stations around the country. About
five hundred centers are available for you to vote early now.
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If eligible. Your electorate is determined by where you live.
There are maps which divide the country, and those maps
may have changed from the last election, so double check
before you vote. After having your name checked off at
a polling location, you'll be given to ballot papers. The
small green one is for the House of Representatives to
decide your local area MP. Here you number your CA
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candidates in the order of your preference, starting with number
one and going to the end. The white ballot paper
is to decide your state or territory representatives in the Senate.
You can choose to vote above the line by numbering
at least six boxes, or below the line, where you
need to number at least twelve candidates in the order
of your choice. Polls are open from eight am to
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six pm on May three, Democracy at Play.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Road in Campbell Road.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Of course, it's important to remind everyone too that you
control your preferences. You don't have to follow anyone's how
to vote cards. It's also worth noting too just how
big pre pollings become in recent elections. At the last election,
so this is twenty twenty two, thirty seven percent of
US pre polled, fourteen percent of US cast a postal vote.
I suspect both those numbers will go up again this year.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Now. The vote splits here are interesting too.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
At the last election, Labor led the coalition, albeit slightly,
when it came to picking up pre poll votes and
the numbers on the actual pole, while the Coalition was
just ahead on postal votes.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Now to the billboard battle.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It's blown up in Cuyong, a Hawthorn pub owner has
accused his local council of a political hit job after
he was ordered to take down a sign that highlighted
the parliamentary voting record of his local MP, that MP
Ku Young Teal Manique Ryan. Now here's the sign that
tower hotel publican Joe Ramuro has been told to remove,
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exposing the fact that the Ryan Doctor Ryan has voted
with the Greens some seventy seven percent of the time,
and that's the highest parliamentary vote with the Greens of
any of the Teals. That sign on the Tower Hotel
put up with the help of the Liberal Party. Well,
it's sparked protests, legal threats, and a war of words
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about censorship, council over each and political bias. Joining me now,
the man in the center of it all Tower Hotel
publican Joe from She's wheeze, Joe, You've really put your
head in a lion's mouth with this one something like that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
There.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So it is a sign, and I've checked all the
statistics based on evidence from her parliamentary voting record. As
she wants integrity and transparency in politics, why is she
so upset with the truth being known?
Speaker 12 (27:20):
I'm not sure. It's obviously ruffled a few feathers within
her group and no sooner did the sign go up
and the next day there was a rally protest at
the front of the hotel. Yeah. Yeah, So I think
it's important at the constituents in the area know the facts,
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and I mean they voted for an independent. But she's
based on her voting record. It's not really you know
that she's not behaving like an independent.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Talk to me about the run Dara council, because they
have told you to take this sign down.
Speaker 12 (27:58):
They have, Yeah, they've threatened prosecution against me personally. And
they say, are they saying that I'm only told they
have one sign and that that that it breaches the
planning permit that's attached to the sign.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And have you taken it down?
Speaker 7 (28:16):
No?
Speaker 12 (28:17):
I haven't. No, it's still there.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
What are your patriots thinking about it? I love it.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
I'm getting phone calls each and every day throughout the day,
people complementing the sign, thanking me for putting it up.
I've had people come in the hotel today wanting to
meet me and congratulate me for putting the sign and
stick to my guns and do just leave the sign
where it is? We love it, you know. That's the
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that's the that's the feedback on getting.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So if I wanted to put a sign in my
front yard or on my house, and you see plenty
of political signs as you're driving around the streets to
the moment in the campaign, that doesn't seem to be
an impediment.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Is the problem.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Here that you've got a very high profile site, you know,
and it's a big sign.
Speaker 12 (29:00):
Potentially there's there's thousands of cars and pedestrians that wander
through there each day.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So potentially what's going to happen if you don't take
it down.
Speaker 12 (29:11):
Well, we'll wait and see. I don't know, but they've
threatened prosecution. I'm not sure whether they're going to follow
through with that or not at this point. But we'll
bat on and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And just last one, have you heard from Manique Ryan?
Speaker 12 (29:31):
No? I haven't, No, I haven't. I did meet her
at the hotel the day of the rally.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
She was at the front.
Speaker 12 (29:37):
She was at the front with her with her group.
And then when they when they finished the rally, as
the rain started to tumble, they came into the hotel
and had some drinks and some snacks and told her
that we couldn't be friends because we we have viewsed
on a line. She said she'd called me and she
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as my number. I'm still waiting for that call. That
was several weeks back. And then then Pinch and Peak
got to work and so and that that sort of
started a whole.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So this was all before the husband stole the side. Goodness, fine,
she's had a shock of a campaign, you body looks
at it and had a good win in terms of
freedom of speech.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
But we'll see what happens to you.
Speaker 12 (30:23):
Yeah, well, hopefully Amelia and her team will will you know,
get the result that they that they deserve. They're working
very hard and a lot of I mean the people
that I speak to that roll through the businesses, hundreds
and thousands of people that come throughout their week after week,
and the general feeling is that you know that there's
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going to be a shift back to back to blue,
and hopefully she'll get the results she's she's a great
candidate for k Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Right, we'll stick to guns.
Speaker 12 (30:56):
Yeah we will. All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
There's a pub to support in Melbourne, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Shore After break, tony Ama joins me to discuss the campaign,
Labour's preference deal with the Greens, and what the heck's
going on with the Russians in Indonesia, plus the explosive
allegations from a former ASIO spy and Islamic hate preachers
in our.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Midst welcome back.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
A lot of you want to know where Joe Romaro's
pub is the Tower Hotel in Hawthorne, corner of Burward
and Campberdoll Road. We're going to get into the Islamists
inside prison systems across the world. That's coming up, so
worry here in Australia as well. But first, despite Anthony
I'm an easy trying to dismiss growing ties between Moscow
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and Jakarta as Russian propaganda, Indonesia's now revealed it is
in fact on the brink forming.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
A space partnership with Russia.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It comes as a security experts warned Australia that we
are being outplayed by Russia and China in our own backyard.
Joining me now, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Well, I'm
interested in your take on what's going on here with
Russia and Indonesia, but I am surprised we're now a
week on. Despite multiple requests, the government, despite caretaker conventions,
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have denied the opposition are briefing on this.
Speaker 13 (32:22):
Peter, even outside an election campaign. There should be a
readiness to give security briefings from the government to the
opposition inside an election campaign when everyone is supposed to
be equal. Well, it's a scandal that there's been no
security briefing for the opposition, and frankly it's a I
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think it's a real failure on the government's part. If
this space cooperation between Indonesia and Russia has been ongoing
and they appear to know nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Either they know nothing about it and they've been caught
flat foot and this is our government, or they've known
all the way along and they're not allowing the opposition
to be fully briefed on how involved or how informed
Australia has been. Either way it's to be condemned.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
Look, what happens in West Papua is essentially happening in
our backyard, and for the Australian government to be ignorant
about what's happening in our own backyard is a sign
of a government which has badly dropped the ball on
national security.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
The PM has repeatedly said that he will not do
a deal with the Greens, but clearly someone has and
he's on the National Executive, he's got the casting vote,
so I'm tipping he's been all over this.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
There's a preference deal with Labor and the Greens.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
The Greens are preferencing Labour's preferencing the Greens in all
but one of the one hundred.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And fifty seats of the Lower House. Are you surprised here?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Look, I'm not surprised, but I'm amazed at the Prime
Minister is able to get away with this. Nothing happens
in an election campaign, Nothing significant happens in an election
campaign without the approval of the party leader. It's as
simple as that. So plainly, the Prime Minister is in
favor of giving the anti Israel extreme left Greens second preferences,
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which essentially means that Labor and the Greens are operating
in an alliance. And should there be a minority government
situation after the election, it's absolutely certain as Nightfallow's day,
the wide elements of the Greens policy will be adopted
by Labor, including wealth taxes including the abolition and negative gearing,
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which obviously is going to mean, as you said in
your editorial, much higher rents and much less that.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Was experienced when Paul Keating dumped absolutely right and brought
it back.
Speaker 13 (34:54):
And look on the fundamentals of the election, nothing has
changed over This campaign lied its way into government. They
have been epically incompetent in government. They're now lying like
flatfish to stay in government. And frankly, a government which
has such a thin relationship with the truth as this
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one has no right to reelection.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Just on negative gearing.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
The Prime Minister says I have no plans, I have
no intention, but he won't rule it out. You know
what labor liked for an election, and we saw this
with the carbon tax.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
On Julia Gillard.
Speaker 13 (35:35):
Of course, I mean Julia Gillard's notorious statement there will
be no carbon tax under a government I lead. She
finds herself in a minority situation. To stay in office,
she does the carbon tax deal with the Greens. You
just can't trust this government anyway. Any government that promised
to cut your power bill by two hundred and seventy
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five dollars per household per year failed so spectacularly is
a government that can't be taken seriously. And as we
know from better experience, when the Prime Minister says he
has no plans to increase taxes, there means no plans today,
but tomorrow, well, whatever it takes.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I need to get your reaction on a story that
featured in four Corners, where an Asio spy broke cover
to reveal that the fundamentalist Sydney Islamic preacher with some
hard ed is the spiritual leader of a pro Islamic
state network in Australia. This is what he has told
four corners, speaking under the code name of Marcus Ads.
Speaker 11 (36:42):
You'll think you are in an ISOL camp in Syria
or in rak the materials of ISOL videos, the songs
of isols. Aware about all this informmation, You said events
at Al Madinad Center were like an isis training camp
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for young people.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So he preaches in so called youth organizations around Sydney.
This is a former ASIO undercover operative. He says, this
is a training ground for Islamic State. How is it
that this form spy is at risk of his life
and prosecution from the government for speaking the truth. But
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we've got these hate preachers in Sydney, not one that
I have ever seen who has been deported.
Speaker 13 (37:36):
The pro Australian person is in diabolical trouble. The anti
Australian person is getting off scot free. I mean, what
kind of craziness is this? Why should the ASIO informant
be living in fear of prosecution in another country for
his own safety And this guy who apparently wants to
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overthrow our democracy and replace it with sharia, lawa and
the caliphate. He's not deported, he's not even prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I got to just.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Touch on the Pope before we go because a couple
of things, both the legacy of Frances. But before we
get to that, Labor used to deride you as Captain Catholic.
I played a little bit at the top of the show.
You wouldn't have seen it of Anthony Albernez. He used
to jeer at you as the mad monk. I do
think it's extraordinary that he suspended the election campaign today
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out of reverence, he says for the Pope. I think
it's rank political campaigning. It denies Peter Dutton a day
out in the campaign trail. Of course they will not
be campaigning on Anzac Day on Friday, and it's coming
down to the wire. I think this is a poor
look to be honest.
Speaker 13 (38:50):
Well, Peter, naturally, I mourn the Pope's passing. He was
clearly a good man as well as the leader of
our church. Which as for the Prime Minister, well, look
he's been that church twice in the last twenty four
hours and I'm always delighted to see more people back
in church.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
So we call him captain Catholic, now do we?
Speaker 13 (39:13):
And at a papal miracle.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
At a papal miracle, you're very gracious total have able
to leave it there.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's a papal miracle that Anthony Albertezi has reinvigorated his
faith alright after the break Labour's Big Australia Agenda. It
will be a feature of a second term Albanesi government.
The evidence is clear, plast another shocker for Monique Ryan.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Thudy Fortherish is to get across right now, joining me
for the panel. CEO of the Page Research Center, Jared
Holland in Queensland, L ANDP Senator James McGrath, gents welcome.
I want to stay on the issue, James McGrath if
I can here first of Labour's Big Australia it's faded
a little from the cam PA and I think that's
(40:00):
a mistake. We all know that's the long term labor agenda.
But reports today about a glut of Indian and Nepalese.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Students in Australia.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
These are foreign graduates, they're not Australian citizens. Most do
not have permanent residency. They're here on student visas, but
they will be allowed under Labour's rules to bring in
tens of thousands of their family members to accompany them here.
Why they finish work on post study visas. These are
numbers that are not factored in by Labor in their
(40:30):
migration forecasts. Meeting as I say that Big Australia will
continue if they're elected. I don't know why that family
members of students on visas are allowed to come here.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I agree with you, Peter, it's certainly a bending of
the rules. We should always remember what John Howard said,
we decide who comes to this country and the circumstances
in which they come. And over the last three years
we've seen Labor bring in the population of Adelaide. So
if people wondering why house prices are so high, one
of the reasons is because of effectively this unchecked migration
(41:09):
that has come in the Coalition have got a very
simple plan that is we're going to make sure that
our migration levels are sustainable. But also to your point, Peter,
the people who come here, we need to make sure
that they add to Australia. So that means that the
yoga teachers who want to come come here because under
labor that's seen as a serious skill and as apparently
(41:29):
a skilled shortage of yoga teachers. That's not going to happen.
We're going to make sure that those who come here
help grow Australia. But also people coming in through the
back door. That's something that does not pass the pub test.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, Jared, because the visa you give someone to come
here and starty on the presumption that they're going to
go home has a whole different checking of background as
the visa is to someone who comes here to live
in Australia permanently. They're very different categories, but they've being
backdoored because we're not selling an education outcome anymore. We're
selling a backdoor immigraciate one.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It looks like to me, Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
And just to give a sense of the scale, you're
looking at about two hundred thousand people currently who hold
these four to eight five visas. About twenty percent of
those are family members or sponsored spouses and others who
are here. They aren't people who conducted studies here who
are then able to work. I think a spouse is
able to work up to forty eight hours in the
next two weeks. Then that allows them the opportunity for
sponsorship and to stay in the country. And of course
(42:31):
these people they're taking advantage of a system that has
been very generous to them. It's not their fault. I
would do the same if a country like Australia was
opening its doors and I didn't come from such a
wonderful land. But we as Australian citizens, we need to
be consulted on this. This should be on the ballot paper.
Is this the way that we want to be conducting ourselves,
What is the rate, what is the pace? And then
what is the cultural background of people that we want coming?
(42:53):
And have we had that honest conversation with Australians as
to how that's all going about.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Spot On, talk to me about some modeling that your
team's done, because I think this is really interesting. It
centers around the Hunter electorate and the Ladell power plant
in that electorate and a transition across into nuclear. But
I want to make the point before I throw to you.
Of course, the Hunter, the electrotive Hunter, it's very very
tight at the moment, it's incredibly tight, held by labor
(43:21):
but I think they're in real trouble. Tell me, how
did you land on an economic benefit figure for the
move from coal to nuclear and what is it?
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Well, we actually came to this a little while ago
because there was so much discussion about what a coal
to nuclear transition would look like in Australia and no
one had actually done the hard numbers on the ground
at that point as to what kind of jobs would
be brought, about, how many jobs are transferable, and we
commission this independent firm, Hatch to take a look at
it for us. The numbers were massive, So twenty nine
(43:54):
billion dollars in benefit for the community in the Hunter
and broader regional New South. You're looking at about thirteen
thousand jobs during construction, another two and a half thousand
jobs year in, year out for the full life cycle
of the plant. Another six hundred and forty million for
the regions. This is all in addition to the cheap, reliable,
base load dispatchable power that could power these communities for
(44:18):
the next sixty eighty one hundred years. And really important
that we actually start to give these communities the truth
about what this could mean for them, not just the
scam Mangreen that the Teals and the Greens and Labor
have been hosing them with.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Well, let's stay with the Teals, James McGrath, you know,
you could have a campaign that's a bit like a
really shocking game, a forty all bad game of tennis,
when you know every time you hit the net it
falls back the wrong way. When you put your toe
on the line, the balls called out, nothing's going your way.
I think that's what Manique Ryan would be feeling at
(44:52):
the moment out on the hustings with her today.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
A pre pole was Laura Jays.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
She asked her for an interview and got this extraordinary sponds.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Have a look. I just want to know how your
campaign's going this morning. It's going well, thanks, Laurence.
Speaker 11 (45:06):
I am here to engage your photos through a pepole
that's into the military.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (45:10):
So I'm not sure that it's really ideal for you
to be interrupting to process.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Have you had any other.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Have you had any other thoughts about whether it's okay
to pay influences?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Thanks?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I call it a campaign, Karen, but I mean she's
campaigning on a transparency. Taxpayers are paying her wage, but
she won't talk to us.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Monique is a hypocrite. The teals are hypocrites. The teals
like to tell us what to do, but they don't
live by their own standards. You just look at it.
She talks about transparency all the time but can't answer
basic questions. I mean, she wasn't asked a question then
about how to solve the piece that the war in
the Middle East, So she wasn't asked how to split
the hour. She was asked a pretty simple question that
(46:02):
she couldn't answer a week ago. She's got a husband
who's quite happily skipping around the electorate pilfering signs off
the Liberal Party. She's got a campaign who are running
a very dirty campaign against the Liberal Party candidate in
that seat, Amelia Haimer. But Monique, of course, is this
deity is above it all. She is a hypocrite. She
is spent the last three years in Parliament attacking the
(46:24):
Liberal Party, not attacking the Labor Party. A vote for
her is a vote for Anthony Alberaneza to stay as
Prime Minister and more muscle to Peter and to Laura
and anyone who wants to put questions to her, because
she just can't answer them well.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Let's stay with hypocrites. We'll go to the Greens on
this one. They've accepted a donation of half a million
dollars from a professional gambler to fund their federal campaign.
This is at the same time Jared As they want
to crack down on gambling.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Advertising couldn't get more crooked.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
I mean, people have this perception. I think of the
Greens as they were in the nineties, of these kind
of tree hugging protect the forests. That couldn't be more
different from the Greens that we have today. Of course,
they're very happy to tear down forest and prime agricultural
land for renewable installations. They're very happy to take money
from big private donors and gamblers in order to sort
of play these hypocritic games out in the national stage.
(47:22):
And I think this getting exposed is really going to
start to open voter's eyes that these aren't the Greens
that you thought you were voting for, and you cannot
possibly preference them above anyone else in this coming election.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
You are not wrong.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
They are Marxists now, They're not the tree huggers of
the They're not the nineties. I'd have to go back
to the seventies when they were tree huggers in their
tied eye Jens o Leve they're good luck with the
next week or so of the campaign.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
James mcgarth. I know you're out there on the hustings.
That's it for me. Great to have your company as always,
here's Andrew
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