April 24, 2025 • 47 mins
The PM still can’t get his story straight on his fall, a Teal candidate releases a controversial ad linked to Anzac Day. Plus, what can we glean from the exit polls with more than a million votes cast?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, that was the Anzac sunset service there in Sydney,
first time it's been held there at the fore court
of the Opera House. I'll tell you what it's really moving,
isn't it. We do a lot on Anzac Day and
we start of course at dawn, at the going down
of the sun. We will remember them, and that's what
we did tonight. Okay, let's get into the program. Plenty
of news around today. Let's have a look already. How
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much can we actually glean from those exit polls. I'll
give you my take on that shortly class the Star
against Peter Darton, who thought it was fine to repost
an image of Darton dressed as a Nazi and now
it's a manufactured image.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
The Prime Minister asked about this today.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He had a lot to say, but not one word
of condemnation, which is a lot about his character. More
question marks two over the Teals and their integrity. More
big money from Simon Holmes, a court throwed into a
campaign in Victoria and now a political lad involving Anzac Day,
which strikes are really uncomfortable cord with me.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
More of that detail coming up to blust the fall
that wasn't a fall.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We all saw it, but today the PM still couldn't
get his story straight.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was a joke.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
It was a joke.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Chill out.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But at the time, I'll come back to that because
it went on and on all day. But first, knowing Labor,
I'm sure the election date was deliberately chosen with Easter,
the school holidays, and of course Anne Zac Day smack
bang in the middle of the campaign so people would
not have politics on their mind, because if they're not focused,
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usually it's the incumbent that's favored. Because this is a
PM who might be hopeless of government, but I tell
you what, he's got rat cunning when it comes to
the politics, and he's willing to play whatever card he
needs to to hang on to power. But rather than
give him a leave pass as he hopes by making
us to stray, Anzac Days should make us more focus
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than ever about where our country is headed and the
sort of choices we must make at the ballot box
in coming days. Indeed, Anzac Day should stop us in
our tracks and make us think about how much their times,
worryingly now resemble ours, with dictators on the march threatening
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freedom around the globe and a population increasingly unsure if
it's got what it takes to defend our values. If
called upon, Anzac Eve and Anzac Day tomorrow should be
our focus, rather than the Prime Minister's distraction, a reminder
of what our country can and should be. The young
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men who went off to fight in nineteen fourteen, and
again in nineteen thirty nine and in all the other
wars since were Australia at its best. They loved our country,
They honored our flag, They knew our history, and they
realized that if justice and freedom are diminished somewhere, they're
diminished everywhere. They understood that if we want others to
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fight and die for us, then we have to be
prepared to fight and die for others. That's what alliances mean,
especially in a more dangerous world. Now, obviously our country
has changed over the decades. We're more ethnically diverse, we're
less Christian, but I hope we're no less patriotic and
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no less conscious of the debt we owe to the
generations before us that have given us such a relatively free,
safe and decent life. Despite the current tendency to fly
three flags and not one, and to anguish over our
history rather.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Than to cherish it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yesterday was a poll suggesting that just sixteen percent of
young Australians would unconditionally fight for our country. Now I'm
reminded here of the infamous nineteen thirty three Oxford Union vote,
where a vast majority of students voted that, under no
circumstances would they fight for king and country, and yet
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most of those students did exactly that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Within a decade.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Likewise, polls in Ukraine just before the Russian invasion showed
a deep reluctance to fight. Yet that's exactly what almost
an entire population there has done ever since Putin's tanks
rolled across their border. Now it's easy to worry about
young people living online and to fear for the character
of a country where almost every tradition is routinely scorned
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as old fashioned or god forbid conservative, but is in
the instincts of conservatives of the past. It's those instincts
that call us to believe that some things and some
values are worth fighting for, and that is then the
reason we are free, free to wear opinions that others
may or may not agree with. Again, it's almost always
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the left that doesn't just disagree with their opponents, but
wants them shut down and silenced. So on Anzac Day,
on Miss Anzac Eve, I give thanks. I give thanks
for the privilege it is to grow up in their Australia.
I give thanks for my Anzac great grandfather, my Pa,
who was wounded in New Guinea in the Second World War,
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and for my own brother who has worn.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Our uniform too.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
To all of them, and all the hundreds of thousands
like them, thank you for your service, and thank you
and your family for your sacrifice. If only we could
be led with as much courage and commitment as our
soldiers have shown our nation.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now. I know Labor thinks they've got.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
A master stroker using Anazac Day as a distraction, I'm
not so sure. I think it just amplifies how important
leadership is to a country. And as we stand in
the dawnlight tomorrow, I think that Australia's future will be
as much on our minds as australia is past. And
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with that I hope we all vote accordingly. Plenty of
campaigning going on right around the country. The Prime Minister
he was over in West Australia today, but the now
in the air so our political reporter cam Ridden follow
this report.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Peter.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
We are here in Perth for the third time this
campaign with the Prime Minister. We know the strength of
the brand here at a state level. He's hoping that
will rub off federally, particularly in the new seat of Bullwinkle.
Labor already holds nine seats here, the new one currently
it starts in their column. Three and a half percent
is the notional margin, but they still have to win it.
The Prime Minister visiting a grain site in that electorate
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a little earlier today. The one of the key focuses
today involves the polling. It's early days, of course, but
three days into pre poll Labor is showing with this
first exit poll a boost to its own primary vote,
So too is the coalition. How much do we read
into that? Not a great deal, but it's the first
reel indication of what we could be expecting once the
pre poll vote begins on the third of May following
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the closure of those polls. From here, Peter, it's back
off to Canbro. The Prime Minister will mark Anzac Day
in the nation's capital tomorrow. Of course, one hundred and
ten years since the Gallipoli landings, all right, we'll go
to the Opposition leader's day now joining me, Reuben Spargo.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I saw that announcement today, Ruben, in relation to domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
What can you tell us?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Good evening, Peter.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
We're currently in Sydney where we attended an ANZAC service
with the Opposition leader on the steps of the Opera House.
But we started the day in Tasmania. Peter Darton visited
Catholic Care where he announced a suite of new measures
to address family and domestic violence. It will focus on prevention,
early intervention and crisis response. The coalition claims an extra
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ninety million dollars in funding, recognizes the complexity of the issue.
It will create a national domestic violence Register, it will
expand the emergency accommodation and it will crack down on
the use of electronics to spy on or intimidate a partner.
Here was the Opposition leader earlier on this commitment.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Everyone's accepting the fact that the scourge of violence, of
domestic violence, of financial coercion, every aspect in this debate
is just completely and utterly unacceptable in our society and
we should be doing everything together to try and defeat
it and work toward better outcomes for individuals, but for
our country as well.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Thank you, Ruben.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Well, he's certainly got the name the liar in the
lodge of the Prime Minister and it's hard to disagree
with that. And those lies are mounting by the day,
don't of course quipping in the debate that the Prime
Minister can't lie straight in bed all those lies about
Medicare and the cost of the Liberals nuclear plan, but
also the whole.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Carry on about that fall.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We all saw it and then he tried to claim
but apparently it never happened.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Photos with everyone, Okay in the middle.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I stepped back one step.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I didn't fall off the stage.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Just one leg went down, but I was I was sweet.
Now it's doctor him and dog him for weeks, hasn't it? Well?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Today he finally admitted what we already knew.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
What's the worst moment of this campaign so far?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Probably falling off the stage.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Now you said that was not a fall, You said
I didn't losses.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
I sort of stepped up there.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
See here this is called good occupational health and safety.
There's white there that wasn't there? Good on w A
heavily unionized.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now I'll give some campaign inside there. He admitted he
fell because this is killing him online, That's why he
did it. But then just a couple of hours after that,
he still couldn't get his story straight.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It was a joke.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
It was a joke, chill out. But at the time
I stumbled that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I laughed about it.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I laughed about it, since it's no big deal. I
fell for Newcastle a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well, I watched the whole press conference. He's not laughing
about it. He wasn't laughing about it. He was getting.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Tetchier and tetchier by the moment. J wanted me to
discuss this and more. National Affairs editor to The Daily
Tetograph sky On News host of course James Morrow, a
media commentator, Carly Katsu and Barnes Well. Caroly As I said,
we all saw the vision. Now I get when compared
to all the other lies on medicare and nuclear policy.
This might seem a big deal to some, but I'll
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tell you what, It's become one of those things that
goes very viral, very quickly online because we all saw it.
We saw it with our own eyes, and voters are
saying to themselves. Well, if you can lie about that,
what else is he lying about?
Speaker 11 (11:08):
Good evening, Peter and James and viewers. Look, the thing
is Anthony Alberanisi. He has a history of line. We've
seen in the beginning last week we spoke about how
many times it's been repeated that he, you know, the
power prices we're going to go down by two hundred
and seventy five dollars. Our electricity prices have gone up
by thirty percent. Anthony Alberisi has lied about not fiddling
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with superannuation. He's lied about the cost of green hydrogen
and renewables. He's lied that he's got dialogue going straight
into the White House. If he thinks two phone calls
since November last year by Kevin Rudd is an actual
relationship with the President of the United States Donald Trump,
then he's kidding himself. I mean, Alexander Volkanowski's probably got
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more of an inn with Trump. You know, recently crowned
the UFC champion and the second Australian.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
After Robert Whittaker to do so.
Speaker 11 (11:57):
But the bottom line is you just know that on
this campaign, it's perhaps what he isn't saying that he's
also lying about We know that he's discrediting Peter Dutton,
whether it's the nuclear whatever it might be, but we
know that the premise of Labor and the Greens, and
he says he won't have to actually do a deal
with the Greens, whether if it's a.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Minority hung Parliament he will have to do that.
Speaker 11 (12:20):
But we know that they're coming after people's hard earned money,
and we know that they're responsible for increasing the cost
of living for everyday Australians, and so their whole campaign
is actually based on the premise of a lie.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He was also lacking in some character.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I thought today James Morrow, because he was asked a
question in relation to Labour's candidate in the seat of Dixon,
running up obviously against Peter Dutton. Her name is Ali France.
She's been caught out reposting this photo of Peter Dutton
and Malcolm turn All dressed as Nazis. It's a doocted photograph.
It's pretty offensive. Asked about it today, the Prime Minister this.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
People will go after people's history going back to more
than a decade, Ali France is someone who lost her
leg saving her child's life when she pushed a pram
forward and was hit by a motor vehicle. Aily France
is an extraordinary Australian. Aili France is an extraordinary Australian.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well, the Solilo quick went on for over a minute, James,
but not once did he engage with the substance of
that post and some other things that should not have
been said by Ali France, not one word of condemnation.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, yeah, it goes into the great late motif of
this campaign, wouldn't you say, Peter, that the Lever campaign
here has been utterly shameless all along. You know, every
single thing. They simply don't say sorry for anything they've
done wrong, lying about falling off the stage, lying about
six hundred million dollar nuclear reactors. You know, he's been
called out for that and just keeps on going and
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going with it. So this is just a small part
of a much bigger shamelessness of this campaign. The Ali
France thing is one bit of it. The justification there's oh, well,
you know, she did something incredible and something terrible happened
to her, so therefore she has a pass for calling
people Nazis. I'm not sure how that works now. I
don't think it washes with other people either. But you
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know it's a real seme here because we've seen this
with other candidates here too, Helen Middell in the Sea
of I think it's Flynn in Queensland. You know, she
also made all sorts of offensive posts about Pope Francis having
been a pedophile, you know, just gross disgusting stuff. And
again they say, oh, well, you know, everybody's got some
stuff in their past and their past Twitter history. We're
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not going to play the offense archaeology game. This is
of course all that labor does. When you contrast it
to you know, the treatment of Brad Britain in Whitlam,
who was disendorsed by the Liberals, over fairly defensible. I
would say comments about women in combat, well, you know,
you just see the difference between the two parties and
how they handle it. But it comes back to one
word shameless.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, I think just that Canadate and Flynn said that
he he the former pope provided cover for pedophiles.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
But we get you drift and it was yes.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
She I think has been caught out on Let's go
to the Teal's more bad press for them today, Carole.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Let's have a look at this picture.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
This is the Teal candidate running in the Victorian seat
of Monash, which is out towards Gippsland, the east of Melbourne.
Now this is an authorized political ad. It's an authorized
political ad. She's wearing her grandfather's medals on Anzac Day.
I commend her for that, but I'm very uncomfortable about
any sort of political ad around Anzac Day. I think
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mp should absolutely, but at all the services tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You want to see your MPs there, But for me,
that's it. Carolee. What do you think? Yeah, Peter, I'm
with you.
Speaker 11 (16:01):
I think that being a member of Parliament in Australia,
whether it's federal, whether it's state, is an immense privilege
and they are there to represent their constituency, but they're
also there to also reflect that if we didn't live
in a democracy, they wouldn't have the opportunity to do
what they should do.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
The day is not about them.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
The day is about Australia honoring those people that have
given their life, paid the ultimate sacrifice so that we're
all able to live as we are today. And I
don't like seeing that at all.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
She's also been caught out James with her Greens past.
She doesn't want voters to know about this, But she
said in a local paper not so long ago that
she was once a member of the Greens. Now that
was in put on a poster and put around her seat.
But her campaign team are trying to claim that that's
now dishonest, that it's not truthful. Now have a look
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at these posters there that's gone around her electorate. Now
she doesn't like this, She does not like this, But
there are own words, James.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, and you know, how can somebody be upset about
their own words being quoted back at them. I think
the thing that she's upset about is the fact that
we now see just one more data point in the
fact that peals generally vote with the Greens. They are
a Green stalking horse. They are the Greens for people
who don't want to vote Greens. If you look at
their voting record individually. They are the Gucci Greens. They're
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the Greens who wear deodorant and shower and have you know,
shampoo and you know, hygiene and things like that and
like this are the inner city Greens who have all
the you know, other sort of weird stuff going on.
It's it's it's just simply I think dishonest. Frankly, if
dev letter to be trying to run from her own past,
you know, if she wanted to say, hey, I used
to be a Green, now I've evolved, I think that'd
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be fine. But you have to run from it. Well,
she's not something to hide.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It must be wired in Goldstein, Caroline. Because Simon Himes,
the courts a two thousand climate two hundred mob. They've
had to throw at another fifty thousand dollars to prop
up Zoe Daniel's campaign. I think Tim Wilson's got the
movie paddicked.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
I think he has, and I think he's actually you know,
he is running a very tight campaign. He's determined to
get his seatback. He was a very effective member of
Parliament before. He's really nailed down and drilled down on
the issues that are important to those members. And you
know what I will say is we've seen reports today
that you know, twenty five billion dollars in self managed
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super funds maybe actually be taken out. Tim Wilson actually
launched in twenty nineteen. He was on the attack against
the retirees tax that was going to be brought in
in twenty nineteen, and it's important to realize that those
people living in those seats of Goldstein cou Yong Curtain wentworth.
They need to realize that the Teals are just a
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cover for the Greens, just as James just said, it's
like a trojan horse and they're coming after everybody's money.
Tim Wilson's exposing this, and really does it really matter
if Tim Wilson is putting up more posters welcome to
the last couple of weeks of a campaign. He's doing
exactly what he should be doing. He's outdoor knocking, he's
engaging with voters, and he's taking nothing for granted.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Let's go to Tasmania. I think this is a really
interesting race. So I'll be watching Saturday Night in a
week's time.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Six seats of course up for grabs.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
The two majors are likely to get four of these,
The Greens Nick McKim likely to get the fifth spot.
I mean, the sixth spot for Tasmania is really going
to go down to a fight between one nation. And
it's Paul and Hanson's daughter Lee who is running for
them down there, and Jackie Lamby and I'll make the point,
you know, Jackie Lamby talks to conservative voters in election
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time and picks them up as votes. But she gets
to Canberra and she talks to the Greens and labor.
She votes with them some eighty percent of the time.
She's been against the salmon farming. She said, quote they
can piss off. This is what she said, James. This
is the sort of caliber of this woman when she
gets into office.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
She has that sort of tone.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I think she's always been, you know, a labor stooge,
if I can be frank, and I think Hanson is
going to take the fight right up to her.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What do you think, Well, yeah, look, I think she
should take the fight off.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
True.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
The thing about Jackie Lamby, of course, you know you're right,
she does peel off conservative voters of people who are
sort of instinctively inclined to be conservative. But her whole
stick is very much anti establishment, anti you know, corporate,
anti all the sort of the big structures of Australian society.
You know, she's kind of in that sort of mold,
a little bit populous. And the ways that she connects
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to people. The people who support Jackie Lamby, they connect
to her on an emotional level, like it's about you know,
they say, oh, she's so honest, she's so raw, she's
so real, right, But that once you've connected on that level,
it's very hard to talk to people about you know, well,
if you look at her voting record, she's doing this
with the grads and this with labor and all sorts
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of things. So she's not really your person once you're
connected on that level. And that's the level I think
that Hanson is going to have to fight at, on
that visceral, emotional gut level to say, you know what
this is actually, you know, not an authentic candidate here.
I'm actually more authentic than this one here, and I
will do a much better job of standing up for
your interests, number one of course being keeping the salmon
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farming industry there so they doesn't get killed off by
some concerns about the Magian skate or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
She could also say, you know what I say in Tasmania,
I'll actually do in Canberra. And that's not something that
Jackie Lamby can do or say, all right, I leave there.
Both of you enjoy the commemorations tomorrow for Anzac Day.
I know you both will be involved and I'll speak
to you next week, all.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Right after break.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What can we take from the first of exit polls
in what's been a pretty record turnout already for pre polls,
plus not even a week into pre polling, scenes of
violence and intimidation.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Shocking. Please tell me this is not the new normal.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
That was a quick break, wasn't it. You couldn't even
get your Kappa. We're spinning things up to get through
the show tonight because we started later obviously for that
lovely and Zac Eve commemoration on the steps of the
Opera House, which I hope will be a feature of
our public life from here in. Anyway, welcome back still
to come. Former Deputy Prime Minister Wayne swann and said
we don't need to increase defense spending. So is this
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the prevailing view of Labor when it comes to national defense?
But first, we've seeing our record high level of early
votes in pre polls, which open of course on Tuesday.
Over one million Australians have cast their votes in the
first forty eight hours of the campaign. Now this comes
as news called exit polls across nineteen battleground seats shows
a four point six percent swing on primary vote to Labor,
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with where they were in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Two, the collision.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It's at thirty eight point five Labour, as I said,
thirty seven point two. Joining me now our campaign spokesman
Senator James Patterson, Well, James, you know I don't take
a hell of a lot of sway with the exit poles.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I think they are a straw in the wind.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But what I do and what I am interested in,
is this spike and early voting, because the conventional wisdom
has been when people vote early, it spells trouble for
the incumbent government. Do you think that holds true now?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Peter? I share your skepticism about exit polls.
Speaker 12 (23:39):
They're notoriously hard to do and historically unreliable in Australia,
none more so than the one conducted before the Queensland
state election last year that said there'd been a big
surch to Labor and that Stephen Miles was potentially on
track to become premier. That tells you everything you need
to know about exit.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Polls with early voting. It's a funny contradiction.
Speaker 12 (23:57):
We know from the research, and this is evident in
the pub polls, that there's a big undecided vote in
this election. There's a soft vote of people waiting to
make up their mind would probably decide quite late, and
yet we've had very high rates of early voting. I
would say that's probably committed supporters of both parties or
all parties getting out of the way because they've made
up their mind a long time ago about who they're
going to support.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But I've had very encouraging.
Speaker 12 (24:18):
Reports from Liberal candidates all around Australia about a much
better reception on early voting compared to the last election,
and that's.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
A good sign for us.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, i'd echo that I hit the fines, particularly in
Victoria and in New South Wales. I think they're the
two states that will decide this thing, and I would
concur a really positive mood some patchy areas. It is
not uniform, but I think anyone who's counting out the
Liberals and kidding themselves, let's go to Clive Palmer because
it profits off a lot of sort.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Of coalition messages.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Not all the same, but I've asked, majority of them
have an appeal to people on the center right. But
when you get into his how to vote cards, he's
basically preferencing labor or the left. In twenty or so
marginal seats.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now, as I.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Say, his ads chase the votes of people on the
center right, But do you think they understand that he's
actually funneling via preference flows their vote to the left.
Speaker 12 (25:18):
I think it's a really good point that you make, Peter.
I think some people who will vote for Clyde Palmer
and his Trumpet of.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Patriots party will be people who'll.
Speaker 12 (25:25):
Be frustrated with the government, who be frustrated with the
direction of our country is going in, and they may
not realize that in doing so, if they follow that
how to vote card, they might actually be aiding the
Albanesi government and getting three more years of it. They
might even be voting for an Albanzi Teal Greens government,
which I think is probably the last thing that voters
attracted to a party like that would want. And we
have already seen a couple of candidates, including their candidate
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and Flinders, resign in disgust over that how to vote card,
which favored the Teals. It's hard to think of parties
less aligned than the Trumpet Patriots and Teals, and yet
that's what they've done. The only other observations I'd make, though, Peter,
is that in the national published opinion polling that Trumpeter
Patriots is not even registering as a rounding era. And
for my canvassing of candidates and colleagues around the country,
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they don't even have a pre pole booths well manned
around the country. In some sets they do, but in
most they don't. And if you can't cover pre pole booze,
you're going to show yourself struggle to man booths on
the day, which are many more numerous.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
He's spent four million on YouTube right, He's leading everybody,
more than Labor, more than the coalition, getting out and
targeting obviously younger voters like the Teals. And the amount
of money that's been thrown around by Climate two hundred.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
What concerns me?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
This is really American style politics coming to Australiayeah. This
is big money. This is what I would regard as
dark money. It's not well exposed where the money from
Climate two hundred and those sort of players is coming from.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Is this a concern to you?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
It isn't.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
In that way, the Trumpeter Patriots and the Climate two
hundred are a perfect mirror image of each other. They're
bringing a billionaire style, big money politics to Australia, funneling
it as a superPAC does in the United States, money
from extremely wealthy people into a handful of candidates around
the country to support them. And frankly, it's the opposite
of the image that they portrayed themselves to be. Clide
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Palmer portrays themselves to be a butler for the Australian people,
and Climate two hundred portrays them and their teal proxies
portrayed themselves to be independent and focused on transparency and integrity.
But the reverse is true in both instances. And I
think voters should beware people who come and say they're
changing politics, that they're doing politics differently. Many ways they're
doing politics worse, and I think they should be judged
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by the standards they set for themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Have we lost the.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Art of a civil democracy and a civil electual campaign.
We've seen a real rise in vandalism and defacing of
call flutes, signs being stolen. We've got some pretty shocking
scenes out there to grained and in ben along actually
on the booths.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
What's happening?
Speaker 12 (28:05):
James pet One of the best things about Australian democracy
is it has been so free of violence throughout our history.
There's very few countries in the world that can say that,
and I think it would be a great tragedy if
we lost that. But like you, I'm very concerned about
the trends we're seeing in this election. There's been some
shocking videos already a volunteers being abused of violent acts
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towards other voters and campaigners, as well as signs. That's
the last thing we want to see in our country.
And if God forbid, it gets worse than that, if
there's a serious act of violence and someone is seriously harmed,
that will change our political system forever and for the worse.
So I really appeal people to keep their cool. Elections
are important. This is a consequential election for Australia. We
certainly hope to win this election, but elections are not
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so consequential in this country that you have to go
to acts of violence at a polling booth and treat
volunteers who they all are on booths in the way
that we've sent and being treated in the last couple
of days.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Just before you go portfolio related. I had to read
this a couple of times because I thought it can
now possibly be true. The ABC's on covered documents showing
that new tug boats ordered by our navy the Australian
Navy were actually built in China.
Speaker 12 (29:17):
It is a shock of Peter and it's a cracking
story by Andrew Green for the obsc In twenty sixteen,
when dress uniforms for the ADF were found to be
made in China, the Labor Party in particularly Senator Kim Carr,
were absolutely feral and said that somehow these radio frequencies
could be embedded in the clothes which would allow our
EIGHTYF members to be tracked around the world by the
Chinese government. That was a concern for Labor. Then then
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how should we feel about an actual platform and actual capability,
in this case a tugboat being made in China. Now
this is a platform ordered on Labour's watch, delivered on
Labour's watch. Is Richard Miles's responsibility and he has been
nowhere to see today to explain this bizarre and inexplicable decision.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think it's extraordinary, and of course one's you get
an asset like that that has to talk have interoperability
with all our other assets. You've got to worry that
the stuff that's being communicated is not being sucked and
sent back to China.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
James.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
That's right.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
In the strategic environment that we're in, it doesn't make
any sense to order any military capability from an authoritarian
foreign government which is seeking to dominate our region. Let's
hope that the next decade is a peaceful one, but
if it isn't, I think we'll live to regret decisions
like this profoundly.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
James Pattison, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'll tell you what you know. Here is labor thinking
we can build submarines here.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think we won't. I think we'll end up getting
them are from the Virginia class US boats.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But we can't even build a tugboat, Richard Mars. We
cannot even build a tugboat, and you think the submarines
can be in Adelaide?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
After the break the LP president the former Deputy Prime
Minister of Australia, Wayne Swan dismissing the need for a
defense boost, plus that infantile debate about women in combat roles.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Welcome back. Still to come.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
We're going to take a look at the main candidates
vying to become the next pope. As the liberal and
conservative factions inside the cardinal's face off. But first, yesterday
the coalition and valid it's commitment to with defense spending
by twenty one billion dollars, which will bring it to
two point five percent of GDP over the next five years.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now longer term, over the.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Decade, that will be three percent of GDP, much higher
than Labour's current trajectory. Joining me in our foreign editor
at The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Greg, thank you for your
time yesterday, Also, Beggy pardon. Yesterday we had the coalition's
defense announcement. Today we've had the former Deputy Prime Minister,
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current ALP President Wayne Swann saying that defense boosts, funding
boosts are not needed. Is this the prevailing attitude from
Labor do you think.
Speaker 13 (32:00):
Well, Peter, great to be with you. Yes, that is
Labour's attitude because that's the Albanza government position. They're not
going to change their funding baseline. It was two percent
of GDP when they came to offices. Two percent now
now everyone Alberzi has told us to trust on defense
has advised him to go to three percent. Angus Campbell,
Angus Houston rather, the former chief of the Defense Force
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who the government got to do their defense strategic review.
Peter Dean, whom they got to write at, Dennis Richardson,
former head of Defense, now doing a submarine agency inquiry
for the government, and Kim Beasley, whom Albanesi idolized, are
among virtually the whole strategic class saying we've got to
go to three percent. But Alberanesi and Males just laugh
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it off. The liberals policy is much better than labor,
much better, but it's still, in my view, quite hopeless
three percent in ten years. Honestly, Peter, with no disrespect
to either side of politics, I don't trust anything the
liberals tell me for ten years any more than I
trust whatever labor tells me for ten years. Urgent spending
right now. Also, bizarrely, they didn't tell us what they're
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going to spend it on, and quite inexplicably, they didn't
announce it until more than half a million people had
already voted. And in the press conference, Peter Dutton couldn't
run away from Defense quickly enough. He wanted to get
straight back onto bulk billing rates and all the rest
of it. And Andrew Hasty emerged from his witness protection
program for a day and now has gone back into hiding,
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even as we've got this scandal of Chinese built you
know assets.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Talk to me about that, Talk to me about that,
Talk to me about that. What I just couldn't As
I said, I just couldn't believe it. I had to
read it a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
But why on earth have we bought now quiet and
have in the country these Chinese patrol boats.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
Well, it's completely indecipherable. Nothing this government does has any
in defense, has any rationality or coherence behind it. I mean,
they haven't reformed the purchasing procedures. We're still unbelievably, we
haven't yet made a decision on the mini frigate that
we're going to buy, either from the Japanese or the Germans,
probably the Japanese. It is completely insane to have a
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defense asset manufactured in China because, as you said earlier,
it has to talk to all our other defense assets.
So for the Chinese to slip in you know, kill
codes and eavesdropping codes and so on is as easy
as apple pie. The shipbuilding industry hasn't got going in
Australia because the labor government has been so slow. Now
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all of this should result in the Albanese government being
turfed out by any honest citizenry, but the opposition is
basically not mentioned it for the entirety of the campaign.
I mean, each successive federal campaign seems to me worse
than the previous one, and this one is as bad
as any I've seen from both sides of politics.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yes, I feel sometimes I need to put my uniform
on and get get back in the game. But and
talking to you when my viewers too much most nights
here on sky News. Hey, I want to pick up
the attacks on Andrew Hasty over comments in relation to
women in combat.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I want to play them again. Have a listen. Do
you think women should serve in combat roles in the idea?
Speaker 9 (35:16):
Yeah, the coalition policy is that all combat roles are
open to women. It's been a long standing position. So
we need to be able to win every fight that.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
We go into. That's why we'll uphold high standards. Thank you.
Speaker 13 (35:27):
Are you seeing that women have lower standards?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Is that what you're saying? Hardly?
Speaker 9 (35:31):
It hardly I'm saying we have one standard.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Sounds like from that answer that you still think women
aren't strong enough. That is that right, that women aren't
strong enough to deal with that sort of combat you described.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Again, No, I didn't say that at all.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Do you not believe in your own policy, then if
that's your personal belief for the coalition policy.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
It's all being different.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
I'm standing right here saying there's one policy. I mean,
this is kind of student politics stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I'll tell you what, Greg, I would have stood there
if I was Andrew Hasty and said, given I've worn
a uniform, I've fired a gun. If any of you
in the gallery, male or female, can lift me and
run for one hundred meters, knock yourself out, put your
hand up for a combat team. But if you can't,
male or female, you're not going to make the grade.
It's about capability, it's not about gender.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
This is just ridiculous.
Speaker 13 (36:22):
Well, yeah, you're right, Peter, But you know I love
Andrew Hasty. The few people in the Parliament I more
admire more than him. But there is a contradiction between
his previous position and his position today. So there are
many combat roles that it's not at all controversial that
women should occupy combat fighter pilots, surface warfare officers, and
great matters all of that agree. But the special courses
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are based on what the top two percent of blokes
can do. We don't have women in national rugby league teams,
we don't have women in AFL. We're trying to get
men out of women's sports. In the transgender thing. We
don't have integrated boxing rings. But the political correctness is
so insane that you can't say that anymore. What Andrew
Hasty said in twenty seventeen was true. The war fighting
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DNA of a small of a close combat unit. This
is the only combat role, but a close combat infantry
fighting unit, it has to be all male. Hardly an
army in the world has women in their special forces,
in close combat roles or anything like that. But the
coalition is so completely surrendered to the culture that they
won't ever say that. So we have a fake position.
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The role is open to women, but no women can
possibly qualify for the role because we're too scared to
say that in public. And this is one reason why,
you know, the culture is just going down the drain.
And much as I admire Hasty, you know the opposition
was requiring him to repudiate as a minister the position
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of Rema.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It didn't it didn't resolve it didn't repudiate to his credit.
It didn't repudiate to his credit. And I guess the
problem is right now on the books, we've got a
piece of legislation from Julia Gillard that basically says a
man can be a woman, right, so you might have
a big, burly bloke who suddenly calls himself a woman
and gets a role in a combat team.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I hope when they sort all these things out, if
someone good comes back into power, that this stuff gets
chucked in the bin, that they repeal that sort of legislation.
But I mean, I feel for Andrew Hasty because he
was just beaten up by people that had never, ever,
ever literally put their life on the lines like he has.
And I just think it is so wrong that we can't,
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you know, I can't call a spade a shovel.
Speaker 13 (38:39):
Well, well that's what I'm asking them to do.
Speaker 10 (38:40):
Though.
Speaker 13 (38:41):
The fact that Andrew was a soldier, I admire it,
but that doesn't absolve him of this contradiction. The Coalition
was in office for ten years. They didn't repeal Julia
Gillard's legislation. This is a failure of nerve on the
part of the Coalition. It's not really a left wing conspiracy.
And there is a contradict between saying it has to
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be blokes, it has to be all male, which is
what Hasty said in twenty seventeen and is true, and
our formal position, which is that even close infantry fighting
roles are open to women, and the coalition is better
than labor. But it's just as cowardly. It won't and
for ten years it was in office and it didn't
do anything to repelate legislation. So we're happy to put
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up with this kind of fiction. And that's what modern
life is. It's a series of left wing fictions which
everybody pretends they live by, even though they have no
application in reality.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
All Right, well you and I will keep fighting to
get rid of some of the fiction.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Thank you, Greg.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
All Right, just before we go to the break, now,
I want to bring you this because it's very interesting.
You remember the bloke I had on the show the
other day. You know who's got this big sign in
his pub highlighting the voting record of the Coujong Tilmanique Ryan.
That's Joe Romaro. Well, these come up with a bit
of a cheeky idea to get the council up. But
he's now selly very special stubby holders at his pub
that match that build. It says Monique, Please do not
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take this beer. I love a joke getting quick. If
you want to get one of those, iver going to
sell very very fast.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I'll be a collectors on them. I'll tell you what's
good on your joke.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
After the break the protests. So to the landmark UK
ruling where biological sex. We're at it again. Well, the
mobs are angry, the trans mobs. Glass Zelenski, he's copped
another serve from Donald Trump. All right, my final panel
of the night International. There's a lot going on there
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to Sky and his contributed kosher GUARDA joins me and
former Labour MP Michael Danby. Welcome to you both. I
want to start with the events at the Vatican this week.
Of course we've had the death of a pope, and
unlike the crown, this is interesting. There is a vacancy.
There's never a vacancy with the crown. There might be
a death of a monarch, but the Crown rolls right along.
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So now there must be an election and it'll be
a bit of a diplomatic flashpoint for the funeral on Saturday.
A whole lot of world leaders are in attendance. Of
course Donald Trump, so a lot of people will be
there because I want to get in his ear on tariffs,
but kosher, just broadly, I mean, there is going to
be quite a debate inside the church, inside the conclave
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with the cardinals, between the conservative factions previously John Paul two,
also Pope Benedict, and of course the more liberal factions
small now liberal that we're seeing of course now with
the passing of Pope Francis and a lot of the
cardinals they're in the conclave in the Systeine Chapel will
be from that liberal or moderate left wing faction.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's going to be fascinating, it sure will.
Speaker 10 (41:46):
And you know, politics, unfortunately, it has seeped into every institution,
including the church and the conclave over here. It shouldn't be,
but it just starts us the reality that that's the
way it's framed. Everybody has a certain perspective and that
will come Drew and who they decide to elect. We've
never had an American pope, so I think that would
be interesting. We've had a South American obviously, but not
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to anybody from Africa would be interesting. But there's all
sorts of talk that they want to bring in somebody
from Africa or from another country. And I do think
that all the political chatter around that is going.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
To be quite loud. I have to say.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
I think politics originated in the Catholic Church in the
Vatican has been going on.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
The factionalism is not a new thing, and it will
be interesting. I think you're right Africa and the Philippines
where there's been a massive growth of numbers there in
support for the church.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Hey, Michael, it was only a couple of months ago
the Canadian Prime minister was absolutely going to come from
the Conservative bloc.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It was a laid down Masseia.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Then Donald Trump went to war against the Canadians, has
threatened to make them the fifty first state. Pierre Polief,
I don't know. I think it's looking tough for him.
How damn has this all been well?
Speaker 14 (43:03):
I think the Donald Trump effect is in every democratic
society around the world, and it favors incumbents because people
are scared, including in Australia, by what do these tariff
changes mean? Let's rally round the flag, let's rally round
the government. So I think in Canada, true Dau may
have resigned in fear of what Trump would do, but
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certainly the sort of wild economic effects of these tariffs,
especially when there are auto parts coming back and forth
across the border, is going to increase the price of
American cars. It's definitely having an effect in Canada, and
I think it is here too. When those Lenski scenes
were on TV, I think that's the immediate point in
which Peter Dutton's polling fell.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I absolutely agree with that. I think it was the
scenes we saw out of the White House, Michael. Australians
had a lot of affection for the Ukraine fight, and
I think that took the window of the sales of
the colition, just because I know you watched Canada very closely.
I mean, Mark Karney, it's not even in the Parliament.
He's got a long history as the governor of the
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Bank of England and other economic portfolios. Yes he's a
mad sort of climate zealot, but in these economic times
and this pushing and shopping that's going over the United States,
I think that's where he's gaining ground from Pogiev yes,
I think.
Speaker 10 (44:26):
You know, Michael's right. The Trump effect and just the
uncertainty that it's creating with this very bold strategy that
he has does lead to fear and fear of the
unknown with the new candidate. I think the only path
for Pierre Poliev would have been, or still could be,
to show higher contrasts, not lower contrast where Mark Karney
comes out of central casting for the other side of politics.
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You know very much a globalist has three passports, a
central banker. That has advantages, but it has lots of
disadvantages as well. And if he can make the appeal
to the working class of Canada around immigration and other
things in that nature, I think that's kind of where
his blueprint could have some merit. But otherwise it looks
like it really is slipping away from.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Hey, I've been watching very closely to Kocha that the
for that from that Supreme Court ruling in the United Kingdom,
it can't be appealed. The only way it could perhaps
be done over is legislation. Through the comments, that's not
going to happen. Even kis Dama has discovered the definition
of a woman, but the activism and the protests from
the transgender movement.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I was surprised at the level of their outrage.
Speaker 10 (45:31):
It is that the scale of it is really quite stunning.
There's been vandalism and other things like that. Unfortunately, they
have taken place as well. In a way, it's not
surprising to me because this group, you know, is one
of the most rapidly active out of all grievance groups
out there, that the transactivist lobby is really really loud
and strong, and they're just able to organize and spring
into action immediately when these things happen. They get covered
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from celebrities. The bridget and actress apparently weigh in and
it's helping raise money and all of that. So that
sort of thing kind of astroturchs and pops them up.
But as you said, this was a landmark ruling in
the backfoot.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Now, Michael, what's the latest about this signal leaking or
the signal chat involving the US Defense sectary, Pete Heskiff,
Because this has just gone on and on and on,
it hasn't gone away.
Speaker 14 (46:19):
It's more significant than it appears, Peter, because this is
the weakening of Hegseth, the weakening of Waltz, the weakening
of Rubio and the strengthening of jd Vance and Tossy
Gabbout the isolationist. You can see that in Witkoff's behavior in.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Gaza Iran and in Ukraine.
Speaker 14 (46:41):
And I just point people to that brilliant interview that
Bolt did with General Keane last Thursday.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
It's a frightening scenario.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Let's just put something up on the screen, Michael two.
This is not international. This is very important though the
Australian election, Jewish groups have expressed their disappointment at Labour's decision,
your party's decision to preference to Greens basically right across
the country, bar for one seat. Here's the latest edition
of Australian Jewish News.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
That is Mark.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Dreyfus and he is preferencing the Greens number two in
his own seat.
Speaker 14 (47:13):
Albow and Dreyfus shouldn't have done it, Peter, A woman
Ferruki had the Jews in the bin next to her.
I imagine what happened to Tony Abbott when he had
the ditch the witch behind him. She should have been
driven out of politics. Ferruki and Leong, the leader in
New South Wales tentacles, so shouldn't have been done. Big
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mistake and should be punished for it politically, but won't be.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Shame on you labor. All right, we'll leave it there.
Big week next week, last week of the campaign. Thank
you both, Thank you for your company. I'll see you
on Monday at six.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
He's Andrew
Well, that was the Anzac sunset service there in Sydney,
first time it's been held there at the fore court
of the Opera House. I'll tell you what it's really moving,
isn't it. We do a lot on Anzac Day and
we start of course at dawn, at the going down
of the sun. We will remember them, and that's what
we did tonight. Okay, let's get into the program. Plenty
of news around today. Let's have a look already. How
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much can we actually glean from those exit polls. I'll
give you my take on that shortly class the Star
against Peter Darton, who thought it was fine to repost
an image of Darton dressed as a Nazi and now
it's a manufactured image.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
The Prime Minister asked about this today.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He had a lot to say, but not one word
of condemnation, which is a lot about his character. More
question marks two over the Teals and their integrity. More
big money from Simon Holmes, a court throwed into a
campaign in Victoria and now a political lad involving Anzac Day,
which strikes are really uncomfortable cord with me.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
More of that detail coming up to blust the fall
that wasn't a fall.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We all saw it, but today the PM still couldn't
get his story straight.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was a joke.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
It was a joke.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Chill out.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But at the time, I'll come back to that because
it went on and on all day. But first, knowing Labor,
I'm sure the election date was deliberately chosen with Easter,
the school holidays, and of course Anne Zac Day smack
bang in the middle of the campaign so people would
not have politics on their mind, because if they're not focused,
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usually it's the incumbent that's favored. Because this is a
PM who might be hopeless of government, but I tell
you what, he's got rat cunning when it comes to
the politics, and he's willing to play whatever card he
needs to to hang on to power. But rather than
give him a leave pass as he hopes by making
us to stray, Anzac Days should make us more focus
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than ever about where our country is headed and the
sort of choices we must make at the ballot box
in coming days. Indeed, Anzac Day should stop us in
our tracks and make us think about how much their times,
worryingly now resemble ours, with dictators on the march threatening
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freedom around the globe and a population increasingly unsure if
it's got what it takes to defend our values. If
called upon, Anzac Eve and Anzac Day tomorrow should be
our focus, rather than the Prime Minister's distraction, a reminder
of what our country can and should be. The young
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men who went off to fight in nineteen fourteen, and
again in nineteen thirty nine and in all the other
wars since were Australia at its best. They loved our country,
They honored our flag, They knew our history, and they
realized that if justice and freedom are diminished somewhere, they're
diminished everywhere. They understood that if we want others to
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fight and die for us, then we have to be
prepared to fight and die for others. That's what alliances mean,
especially in a more dangerous world. Now, obviously our country
has changed over the decades. We're more ethnically diverse, we're
less Christian, but I hope we're no less patriotic and
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no less conscious of the debt we owe to the
generations before us that have given us such a relatively free,
safe and decent life. Despite the current tendency to fly
three flags and not one, and to anguish over our
history rather.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Than to cherish it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yesterday was a poll suggesting that just sixteen percent of
young Australians would unconditionally fight for our country. Now I'm
reminded here of the infamous nineteen thirty three Oxford Union vote,
where a vast majority of students voted that, under no
circumstances would they fight for king and country, and yet
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most of those students did exactly that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Within a decade.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Likewise, polls in Ukraine just before the Russian invasion showed
a deep reluctance to fight. Yet that's exactly what almost
an entire population there has done ever since Putin's tanks
rolled across their border. Now it's easy to worry about
young people living online and to fear for the character
of a country where almost every tradition is routinely scorned
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as old fashioned or god forbid conservative, but is in
the instincts of conservatives of the past. It's those instincts
that call us to believe that some things and some
values are worth fighting for, and that is then the
reason we are free, free to wear opinions that others
may or may not agree with. Again, it's almost always
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the left that doesn't just disagree with their opponents, but
wants them shut down and silenced. So on Anzac Day,
on Miss Anzac Eve, I give thanks. I give thanks
for the privilege it is to grow up in their Australia.
I give thanks for my Anzac great grandfather, my Pa,
who was wounded in New Guinea in the Second World War,
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and for my own brother who has worn.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Our uniform too.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
To all of them, and all the hundreds of thousands
like them, thank you for your service, and thank you
and your family for your sacrifice. If only we could
be led with as much courage and commitment as our
soldiers have shown our nation.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now. I know Labor thinks they've got.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
A master stroker using Anazac Day as a distraction, I'm
not so sure. I think it just amplifies how important
leadership is to a country. And as we stand in
the dawnlight tomorrow, I think that Australia's future will be
as much on our minds as australia is past. And
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with that I hope we all vote accordingly. Plenty of
campaigning going on right around the country. The Prime Minister
he was over in West Australia today, but the now
in the air so our political reporter cam Ridden follow
this report.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Peter.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
We are here in Perth for the third time this
campaign with the Prime Minister. We know the strength of
the brand here at a state level. He's hoping that
will rub off federally, particularly in the new seat of Bullwinkle.
Labor already holds nine seats here, the new one currently
it starts in their column. Three and a half percent
is the notional margin, but they still have to win it.
The Prime Minister visiting a grain site in that electorate
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a little earlier today. The one of the key focuses
today involves the polling. It's early days, of course, but
three days into pre poll Labor is showing with this
first exit poll a boost to its own primary vote,
So too is the coalition. How much do we read
into that? Not a great deal, but it's the first
reel indication of what we could be expecting once the
pre poll vote begins on the third of May following
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the closure of those polls. From here, Peter, it's back
off to Canbro. The Prime Minister will mark Anzac Day
in the nation's capital tomorrow. Of course, one hundred and
ten years since the Gallipoli landings, all right, we'll go
to the Opposition leader's day now joining me, Reuben Spargo.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I saw that announcement today, Ruben, in relation to domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
What can you tell us?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Good evening, Peter.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
We're currently in Sydney where we attended an ANZAC service
with the Opposition leader on the steps of the Opera House.
But we started the day in Tasmania. Peter Darton visited
Catholic Care where he announced a suite of new measures
to address family and domestic violence. It will focus on prevention,
early intervention and crisis response. The coalition claims an extra
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ninety million dollars in funding, recognizes the complexity of the issue.
It will create a national domestic violence Register, it will
expand the emergency accommodation and it will crack down on
the use of electronics to spy on or intimidate a partner.
Here was the Opposition leader earlier on this commitment.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Everyone's accepting the fact that the scourge of violence, of
domestic violence, of financial coercion, every aspect in this debate
is just completely and utterly unacceptable in our society and
we should be doing everything together to try and defeat
it and work toward better outcomes for individuals, but for
our country as well.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Thank you, Ruben.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Well, he's certainly got the name the liar in the
lodge of the Prime Minister and it's hard to disagree
with that. And those lies are mounting by the day,
don't of course quipping in the debate that the Prime
Minister can't lie straight in bed all those lies about
Medicare and the cost of the Liberals nuclear plan, but
also the whole.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Carry on about that fall.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We all saw it and then he tried to claim
but apparently it never happened.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Photos with everyone, Okay in the middle.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I stepped back one step.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I didn't fall off the stage.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Just one leg went down, but I was I was sweet.
Now it's doctor him and dog him for weeks, hasn't it? Well?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Today he finally admitted what we already knew.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
What's the worst moment of this campaign so far?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Probably falling off the stage.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Now you said that was not a fall, You said
I didn't losses.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
I sort of stepped up there.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
See here this is called good occupational health and safety.
There's white there that wasn't there? Good on w A
heavily unionized.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now I'll give some campaign inside there. He admitted he
fell because this is killing him online, That's why he
did it. But then just a couple of hours after that,
he still couldn't get his story straight.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It was a joke.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
It was a joke, chill out. But at the time
I stumbled that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I laughed about it.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I laughed about it, since it's no big deal. I
fell for Newcastle a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well, I watched the whole press conference. He's not laughing
about it. He wasn't laughing about it. He was getting.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Tetchier and tetchier by the moment. J wanted me to
discuss this and more. National Affairs editor to The Daily
Tetograph sky On News host of course James Morrow, a
media commentator, Carly Katsu and Barnes Well. Caroly As I said,
we all saw the vision. Now I get when compared
to all the other lies on medicare and nuclear policy.
This might seem a big deal to some, but I'll
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tell you what, It's become one of those things that
goes very viral, very quickly online because we all saw it.
We saw it with our own eyes, and voters are
saying to themselves. Well, if you can lie about that,
what else is he lying about?
Speaker 11 (11:08):
Good evening, Peter and James and viewers. Look, the thing
is Anthony Alberanisi. He has a history of line. We've
seen in the beginning last week we spoke about how
many times it's been repeated that he, you know, the
power prices we're going to go down by two hundred
and seventy five dollars. Our electricity prices have gone up
by thirty percent. Anthony Alberisi has lied about not fiddling
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with superannuation. He's lied about the cost of green hydrogen
and renewables. He's lied that he's got dialogue going straight
into the White House. If he thinks two phone calls
since November last year by Kevin Rudd is an actual
relationship with the President of the United States Donald Trump,
then he's kidding himself. I mean, Alexander Volkanowski's probably got
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more of an inn with Trump. You know, recently crowned
the UFC champion and the second Australian.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
After Robert Whittaker to do so.
Speaker 11 (11:57):
But the bottom line is you just know that on
this campaign, it's perhaps what he isn't saying that he's
also lying about We know that he's discrediting Peter Dutton,
whether it's the nuclear whatever it might be, but we
know that the premise of Labor and the Greens, and
he says he won't have to actually do a deal
with the Greens, whether if it's a.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Minority hung Parliament he will have to do that.
Speaker 11 (12:20):
But we know that they're coming after people's hard earned money,
and we know that they're responsible for increasing the cost
of living for everyday Australians, and so their whole campaign
is actually based on the premise of a lie.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He was also lacking in some character.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I thought today James Morrow, because he was asked a
question in relation to Labour's candidate in the seat of Dixon,
running up obviously against Peter Dutton. Her name is Ali France.
She's been caught out reposting this photo of Peter Dutton
and Malcolm turn All dressed as Nazis. It's a doocted photograph.
It's pretty offensive. Asked about it today, the Prime Minister this.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
People will go after people's history going back to more
than a decade, Ali France is someone who lost her
leg saving her child's life when she pushed a pram
forward and was hit by a motor vehicle. Aily France
is an extraordinary Australian. Aili France is an extraordinary Australian.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well, the Solilo quick went on for over a minute, James,
but not once did he engage with the substance of
that post and some other things that should not have
been said by Ali France, not one word of condemnation.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, yeah, it goes into the great late motif of
this campaign, wouldn't you say, Peter, that the Lever campaign
here has been utterly shameless all along. You know, every
single thing. They simply don't say sorry for anything they've
done wrong, lying about falling off the stage, lying about
six hundred million dollar nuclear reactors. You know, he's been
called out for that and just keeps on going and
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going with it. So this is just a small part
of a much bigger shamelessness of this campaign. The Ali
France thing is one bit of it. The justification there's oh, well,
you know, she did something incredible and something terrible happened
to her, so therefore she has a pass for calling
people Nazis. I'm not sure how that works now. I
don't think it washes with other people either. But you
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know it's a real seme here because we've seen this
with other candidates here too, Helen Middell in the Sea
of I think it's Flynn in Queensland. You know, she
also made all sorts of offensive posts about Pope Francis having
been a pedophile, you know, just gross disgusting stuff. And
again they say, oh, well, you know, everybody's got some
stuff in their past and their past Twitter history. We're
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not going to play the offense archaeology game. This is
of course all that labor does. When you contrast it
to you know, the treatment of Brad Britain in Whitlam,
who was disendorsed by the Liberals, over fairly defensible. I
would say comments about women in combat, well, you know,
you just see the difference between the two parties and
how they handle it. But it comes back to one
word shameless.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, I think just that Canadate and Flynn said that
he he the former pope provided cover for pedophiles.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
But we get you drift and it was yes.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
She I think has been caught out on Let's go
to the Teal's more bad press for them today, Carole.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Let's have a look at this picture.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
This is the Teal candidate running in the Victorian seat
of Monash, which is out towards Gippsland, the east of Melbourne.
Now this is an authorized political ad. It's an authorized
political ad. She's wearing her grandfather's medals on Anzac Day.
I commend her for that, but I'm very uncomfortable about
any sort of political ad around Anzac Day. I think
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mp should absolutely, but at all the services tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You want to see your MPs there, But for me,
that's it. Carolee. What do you think? Yeah, Peter, I'm
with you.
Speaker 11 (16:01):
I think that being a member of Parliament in Australia,
whether it's federal, whether it's state, is an immense privilege
and they are there to represent their constituency, but they're
also there to also reflect that if we didn't live
in a democracy, they wouldn't have the opportunity to do
what they should do.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
The day is not about them.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
The day is about Australia honoring those people that have
given their life, paid the ultimate sacrifice so that we're
all able to live as we are today. And I
don't like seeing that at all.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
She's also been caught out James with her Greens past.
She doesn't want voters to know about this, But she
said in a local paper not so long ago that
she was once a member of the Greens. Now that
was in put on a poster and put around her seat.
But her campaign team are trying to claim that that's
now dishonest, that it's not truthful. Now have a look
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at these posters there that's gone around her electorate. Now
she doesn't like this, She does not like this, But
there are own words, James.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, and you know, how can somebody be upset about
their own words being quoted back at them. I think
the thing that she's upset about is the fact that
we now see just one more data point in the
fact that peals generally vote with the Greens. They are
a Green stalking horse. They are the Greens for people
who don't want to vote Greens. If you look at
their voting record individually. They are the Gucci Greens. They're
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the Greens who wear deodorant and shower and have you know,
shampoo and you know, hygiene and things like that and
like this are the inner city Greens who have all
the you know, other sort of weird stuff going on.
It's it's it's just simply I think dishonest. Frankly, if
dev letter to be trying to run from her own past,
you know, if she wanted to say, hey, I used
to be a Green, now I've evolved, I think that'd
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be fine. But you have to run from it. Well,
she's not something to hide.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It must be wired in Goldstein, Caroline. Because Simon Himes,
the courts a two thousand climate two hundred mob. They've
had to throw at another fifty thousand dollars to prop
up Zoe Daniel's campaign. I think Tim Wilson's got the
movie paddicked.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
I think he has, and I think he's actually you know,
he is running a very tight campaign. He's determined to
get his seatback. He was a very effective member of
Parliament before. He's really nailed down and drilled down on
the issues that are important to those members. And you
know what I will say is we've seen reports today
that you know, twenty five billion dollars in self managed
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super funds maybe actually be taken out. Tim Wilson actually
launched in twenty nineteen. He was on the attack against
the retirees tax that was going to be brought in
in twenty nineteen, and it's important to realize that those
people living in those seats of Goldstein cou Yong Curtain wentworth.
They need to realize that the Teals are just a
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cover for the Greens, just as James just said, it's
like a trojan horse and they're coming after everybody's money.
Tim Wilson's exposing this, and really does it really matter
if Tim Wilson is putting up more posters welcome to
the last couple of weeks of a campaign. He's doing
exactly what he should be doing. He's outdoor knocking, he's
engaging with voters, and he's taking nothing for granted.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Let's go to Tasmania. I think this is a really
interesting race. So I'll be watching Saturday Night in a
week's time.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Six seats of course up for grabs.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
The two majors are likely to get four of these,
The Greens Nick McKim likely to get the fifth spot.
I mean, the sixth spot for Tasmania is really going
to go down to a fight between one nation. And
it's Paul and Hanson's daughter Lee who is running for
them down there, and Jackie Lamby and I'll make the point,
you know, Jackie Lamby talks to conservative voters in election
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time and picks them up as votes. But she gets
to Canberra and she talks to the Greens and labor.
She votes with them some eighty percent of the time.
She's been against the salmon farming. She said, quote they
can piss off. This is what she said, James. This
is the sort of caliber of this woman when she
gets into office.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
She has that sort of tone.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I think she's always been, you know, a labor stooge,
if I can be frank, and I think Hanson is
going to take the fight right up to her.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What do you think, Well, yeah, look, I think she
should take the fight off.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
True.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
The thing about Jackie Lamby, of course, you know you're right,
she does peel off conservative voters of people who are
sort of instinctively inclined to be conservative. But her whole
stick is very much anti establishment, anti you know, corporate,
anti all the sort of the big structures of Australian society.
You know, she's kind of in that sort of mold,
a little bit populous. And the ways that she connects
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to people. The people who support Jackie Lamby, they connect
to her on an emotional level, like it's about you know,
they say, oh, she's so honest, she's so raw, she's
so real, right, But that once you've connected on that level,
it's very hard to talk to people about you know, well,
if you look at her voting record, she's doing this
with the grads and this with labor and all sorts
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of things. So she's not really your person once you're
connected on that level. And that's the level I think
that Hanson is going to have to fight at, on
that visceral, emotional gut level to say, you know what
this is actually, you know, not an authentic candidate here.
I'm actually more authentic than this one here, and I
will do a much better job of standing up for
your interests, number one of course being keeping the salmon
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farming industry there so they doesn't get killed off by
some concerns about the Magian skate or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
She could also say, you know what I say in Tasmania,
I'll actually do in Canberra. And that's not something that
Jackie Lamby can do or say, all right, I leave there.
Both of you enjoy the commemorations tomorrow for Anzac Day.
I know you both will be involved and I'll speak
to you next week, all.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Right after break.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What can we take from the first of exit polls
in what's been a pretty record turnout already for pre polls,
plus not even a week into pre polling, scenes of
violence and intimidation.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Shocking. Please tell me this is not the new normal.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
That was a quick break, wasn't it. You couldn't even
get your Kappa. We're spinning things up to get through
the show tonight because we started later obviously for that
lovely and Zac Eve commemoration on the steps of the
Opera House, which I hope will be a feature of
our public life from here in. Anyway, welcome back still
to come. Former Deputy Prime Minister Wayne swann and said
we don't need to increase defense spending. So is this
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the prevailing view of Labor when it comes to national defense?
But first, we've seeing our record high level of early
votes in pre polls, which open of course on Tuesday.
Over one million Australians have cast their votes in the
first forty eight hours of the campaign. Now this comes
as news called exit polls across nineteen battleground seats shows
a four point six percent swing on primary vote to Labor,
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with where they were in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Two, the collision.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It's at thirty eight point five Labour, as I said,
thirty seven point two. Joining me now our campaign spokesman
Senator James Patterson, Well, James, you know I don't take
a hell of a lot of sway with the exit poles.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I think they are a straw in the wind.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But what I do and what I am interested in,
is this spike and early voting, because the conventional wisdom
has been when people vote early, it spells trouble for
the incumbent government. Do you think that holds true now?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Peter? I share your skepticism about exit polls.
Speaker 12 (23:39):
They're notoriously hard to do and historically unreliable in Australia,
none more so than the one conducted before the Queensland
state election last year that said there'd been a big
surch to Labor and that Stephen Miles was potentially on
track to become premier. That tells you everything you need
to know about exit.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Polls with early voting. It's a funny contradiction.
Speaker 12 (23:57):
We know from the research, and this is evident in
the pub polls, that there's a big undecided vote in
this election. There's a soft vote of people waiting to
make up their mind would probably decide quite late, and
yet we've had very high rates of early voting. I
would say that's probably committed supporters of both parties or
all parties getting out of the way because they've made
up their mind a long time ago about who they're
going to support.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But I've had very encouraging.
Speaker 12 (24:18):
Reports from Liberal candidates all around Australia about a much
better reception on early voting compared to the last election,
and that's.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
A good sign for us.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, i'd echo that I hit the fines, particularly in
Victoria and in New South Wales. I think they're the
two states that will decide this thing, and I would
concur a really positive mood some patchy areas. It is
not uniform, but I think anyone who's counting out the
Liberals and kidding themselves, let's go to Clive Palmer because
it profits off a lot of sort.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Of coalition messages.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Not all the same, but I've asked, majority of them
have an appeal to people on the center right. But
when you get into his how to vote cards, he's
basically preferencing labor or the left. In twenty or so
marginal seats.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now, as I.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Say, his ads chase the votes of people on the
center right, But do you think they understand that he's
actually funneling via preference flows their vote to the left.
Speaker 12 (25:18):
I think it's a really good point that you make, Peter.
I think some people who will vote for Clyde Palmer
and his Trumpet of.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Patriots party will be people who'll.
Speaker 12 (25:25):
Be frustrated with the government, who be frustrated with the
direction of our country is going in, and they may
not realize that in doing so, if they follow that
how to vote card, they might actually be aiding the
Albanesi government and getting three more years of it. They
might even be voting for an Albanzi Teal Greens government,
which I think is probably the last thing that voters
attracted to a party like that would want. And we
have already seen a couple of candidates, including their candidate
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and Flinders, resign in disgust over that how to vote card,
which favored the Teals. It's hard to think of parties
less aligned than the Trumpet Patriots and Teals, and yet
that's what they've done. The only other observations I'd make, though, Peter,
is that in the national published opinion polling that Trumpeter
Patriots is not even registering as a rounding era. And
for my canvassing of candidates and colleagues around the country,
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they don't even have a pre pole booths well manned
around the country. In some sets they do, but in
most they don't. And if you can't cover pre pole booze,
you're going to show yourself struggle to man booths on
the day, which are many more numerous.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
He's spent four million on YouTube right, He's leading everybody,
more than Labor, more than the coalition, getting out and
targeting obviously younger voters like the Teals. And the amount
of money that's been thrown around by Climate two hundred.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
What concerns me?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
This is really American style politics coming to Australiayeah. This
is big money. This is what I would regard as
dark money. It's not well exposed where the money from
Climate two hundred and those sort of players is coming from.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Is this a concern to you?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
It isn't.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
In that way, the Trumpeter Patriots and the Climate two
hundred are a perfect mirror image of each other. They're
bringing a billionaire style, big money politics to Australia, funneling
it as a superPAC does in the United States, money
from extremely wealthy people into a handful of candidates around
the country to support them. And frankly, it's the opposite
of the image that they portrayed themselves to be. Clide
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Palmer portrays themselves to be a butler for the Australian people,
and Climate two hundred portrays them and their teal proxies
portrayed themselves to be independent and focused on transparency and integrity.
But the reverse is true in both instances. And I
think voters should beware people who come and say they're
changing politics, that they're doing politics differently. Many ways they're
doing politics worse, and I think they should be judged
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by the standards they set for themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Have we lost the.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Art of a civil democracy and a civil electual campaign.
We've seen a real rise in vandalism and defacing of
call flutes, signs being stolen. We've got some pretty shocking
scenes out there to grained and in ben along actually
on the booths.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
What's happening?
Speaker 12 (28:05):
James pet One of the best things about Australian democracy
is it has been so free of violence throughout our history.
There's very few countries in the world that can say that,
and I think it would be a great tragedy if
we lost that. But like you, I'm very concerned about
the trends we're seeing in this election. There's been some
shocking videos already a volunteers being abused of violent acts
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towards other voters and campaigners, as well as signs. That's
the last thing we want to see in our country.
And if God forbid, it gets worse than that, if
there's a serious act of violence and someone is seriously harmed,
that will change our political system forever and for the worse.
So I really appeal people to keep their cool. Elections
are important. This is a consequential election for Australia. We
certainly hope to win this election, but elections are not
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so consequential in this country that you have to go
to acts of violence at a polling booth and treat
volunteers who they all are on booths in the way
that we've sent and being treated in the last couple
of days.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Just before you go portfolio related. I had to read
this a couple of times because I thought it can
now possibly be true. The ABC's on covered documents showing
that new tug boats ordered by our navy the Australian
Navy were actually built in China.
Speaker 12 (29:17):
It is a shock of Peter and it's a cracking
story by Andrew Green for the obsc In twenty sixteen,
when dress uniforms for the ADF were found to be
made in China, the Labor Party in particularly Senator Kim Carr,
were absolutely feral and said that somehow these radio frequencies
could be embedded in the clothes which would allow our
EIGHTYF members to be tracked around the world by the
Chinese government. That was a concern for Labor. Then then
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how should we feel about an actual platform and actual capability,
in this case a tugboat being made in China. Now
this is a platform ordered on Labour's watch, delivered on
Labour's watch. Is Richard Miles's responsibility and he has been
nowhere to see today to explain this bizarre and inexplicable decision.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think it's extraordinary, and of course one's you get
an asset like that that has to talk have interoperability
with all our other assets. You've got to worry that
the stuff that's being communicated is not being sucked and
sent back to China.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
James.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
That's right.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
In the strategic environment that we're in, it doesn't make
any sense to order any military capability from an authoritarian
foreign government which is seeking to dominate our region. Let's
hope that the next decade is a peaceful one, but
if it isn't, I think we'll live to regret decisions
like this profoundly.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
James Pattison, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'll tell you what you know. Here is labor thinking
we can build submarines here.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think we won't. I think we'll end up getting
them are from the Virginia class US boats.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But we can't even build a tugboat, Richard Mars. We
cannot even build a tugboat, and you think the submarines
can be in Adelaide?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
After the break the LP president the former Deputy Prime
Minister of Australia, Wayne Swan dismissing the need for a
defense boost, plus that infantile debate about women in combat roles.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Welcome back. Still to come.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
We're going to take a look at the main candidates
vying to become the next pope. As the liberal and
conservative factions inside the cardinal's face off. But first, yesterday
the coalition and valid it's commitment to with defense spending
by twenty one billion dollars, which will bring it to
two point five percent of GDP over the next five years.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now longer term, over the.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Decade, that will be three percent of GDP, much higher
than Labour's current trajectory. Joining me in our foreign editor
at The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Greg, thank you for your
time yesterday, Also, Beggy pardon. Yesterday we had the coalition's
defense announcement. Today we've had the former Deputy Prime Minister,
(31:48):
current ALP President Wayne Swann saying that defense boosts, funding
boosts are not needed. Is this the prevailing attitude from
Labor do you think.
Speaker 13 (32:00):
Well, Peter, great to be with you. Yes, that is
Labour's attitude because that's the Albanza government position. They're not
going to change their funding baseline. It was two percent
of GDP when they came to offices. Two percent now
now everyone Alberzi has told us to trust on defense
has advised him to go to three percent. Angus Campbell,
Angus Houston rather, the former chief of the Defense Force
(32:21):
who the government got to do their defense strategic review.
Peter Dean, whom they got to write at, Dennis Richardson,
former head of Defense, now doing a submarine agency inquiry
for the government, and Kim Beasley, whom Albanesi idolized, are
among virtually the whole strategic class saying we've got to
go to three percent. But Alberanesi and Males just laugh
(32:42):
it off. The liberals policy is much better than labor,
much better, but it's still, in my view, quite hopeless
three percent in ten years. Honestly, Peter, with no disrespect
to either side of politics, I don't trust anything the
liberals tell me for ten years any more than I
trust whatever labor tells me for ten years. Urgent spending
right now. Also, bizarrely, they didn't tell us what they're
(33:04):
going to spend it on, and quite inexplicably, they didn't
announce it until more than half a million people had
already voted. And in the press conference, Peter Dutton couldn't
run away from Defense quickly enough. He wanted to get
straight back onto bulk billing rates and all the rest
of it. And Andrew Hasty emerged from his witness protection
program for a day and now has gone back into hiding,
(33:26):
even as we've got this scandal of Chinese built you
know assets.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Talk to me about that, Talk to me about that,
Talk to me about that. What I just couldn't As
I said, I just couldn't believe it. I had to
read it a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
But why on earth have we bought now quiet and
have in the country these Chinese patrol boats.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
Well, it's completely indecipherable. Nothing this government does has any
in defense, has any rationality or coherence behind it. I mean,
they haven't reformed the purchasing procedures. We're still unbelievably, we
haven't yet made a decision on the mini frigate that
we're going to buy, either from the Japanese or the Germans,
probably the Japanese. It is completely insane to have a
(34:09):
defense asset manufactured in China because, as you said earlier,
it has to talk to all our other defense assets.
So for the Chinese to slip in you know, kill
codes and eavesdropping codes and so on is as easy
as apple pie. The shipbuilding industry hasn't got going in
Australia because the labor government has been so slow. Now
(34:33):
all of this should result in the Albanese government being
turfed out by any honest citizenry, but the opposition is
basically not mentioned it for the entirety of the campaign.
I mean, each successive federal campaign seems to me worse
than the previous one, and this one is as bad
as any I've seen from both sides of politics.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yes, I feel sometimes I need to put my uniform
on and get get back in the game. But and
talking to you when my viewers too much most nights
here on sky News. Hey, I want to pick up
the attacks on Andrew Hasty over comments in relation to
women in combat.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I want to play them again. Have a listen. Do
you think women should serve in combat roles in the idea?
Speaker 9 (35:16):
Yeah, the coalition policy is that all combat roles are
open to women. It's been a long standing position. So
we need to be able to win every fight that.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
We go into. That's why we'll uphold high standards. Thank you.
Speaker 13 (35:27):
Are you seeing that women have lower standards?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Is that what you're saying? Hardly?
Speaker 9 (35:31):
It hardly I'm saying we have one standard.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Sounds like from that answer that you still think women
aren't strong enough. That is that right, that women aren't
strong enough to deal with that sort of combat you described.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Again, No, I didn't say that at all.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Do you not believe in your own policy, then if
that's your personal belief for the coalition policy.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
It's all being different.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
I'm standing right here saying there's one policy. I mean,
this is kind of student politics stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I'll tell you what, Greg, I would have stood there
if I was Andrew Hasty and said, given I've worn
a uniform, I've fired a gun. If any of you
in the gallery, male or female, can lift me and
run for one hundred meters, knock yourself out, put your
hand up for a combat team. But if you can't,
male or female, you're not going to make the grade.
It's about capability, it's not about gender.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
This is just ridiculous.
Speaker 13 (36:22):
Well, yeah, you're right, Peter, But you know I love
Andrew Hasty. The few people in the Parliament I more
admire more than him. But there is a contradiction between
his previous position and his position today. So there are
many combat roles that it's not at all controversial that
women should occupy combat fighter pilots, surface warfare officers, and
great matters all of that agree. But the special courses
(36:45):
are based on what the top two percent of blokes
can do. We don't have women in national rugby league teams,
we don't have women in AFL. We're trying to get
men out of women's sports. In the transgender thing. We
don't have integrated boxing rings. But the political correctness is
so insane that you can't say that anymore. What Andrew
Hasty said in twenty seventeen was true. The war fighting
(37:09):
DNA of a small of a close combat unit. This
is the only combat role, but a close combat infantry
fighting unit, it has to be all male. Hardly an
army in the world has women in their special forces,
in close combat roles or anything like that. But the
coalition is so completely surrendered to the culture that they
won't ever say that. So we have a fake position.
(37:32):
The role is open to women, but no women can
possibly qualify for the role because we're too scared to
say that in public. And this is one reason why,
you know, the culture is just going down the drain.
And much as I admire Hasty, you know the opposition
was requiring him to repudiate as a minister the position
(37:54):
of Rema.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It didn't it didn't resolve it didn't repudiate to his credit.
It didn't repudiate to his credit. And I guess the
problem is right now on the books, we've got a
piece of legislation from Julia Gillard that basically says a
man can be a woman, right, so you might have
a big, burly bloke who suddenly calls himself a woman
and gets a role in a combat team.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I hope when they sort all these things out, if
someone good comes back into power, that this stuff gets
chucked in the bin, that they repeal that sort of legislation.
But I mean, I feel for Andrew Hasty because he
was just beaten up by people that had never, ever,
ever literally put their life on the lines like he has.
And I just think it is so wrong that we can't,
(38:36):
you know, I can't call a spade a shovel.
Speaker 13 (38:39):
Well, well that's what I'm asking them to do.
Speaker 10 (38:40):
Though.
Speaker 13 (38:41):
The fact that Andrew was a soldier, I admire it,
but that doesn't absolve him of this contradiction. The Coalition
was in office for ten years. They didn't repeal Julia
Gillard's legislation. This is a failure of nerve on the
part of the Coalition. It's not really a left wing conspiracy.
And there is a contradict between saying it has to
(39:01):
be blokes, it has to be all male, which is
what Hasty said in twenty seventeen and is true, and
our formal position, which is that even close infantry fighting
roles are open to women, and the coalition is better
than labor. But it's just as cowardly. It won't and
for ten years it was in office and it didn't
do anything to repelate legislation. So we're happy to put
(39:23):
up with this kind of fiction. And that's what modern
life is. It's a series of left wing fictions which
everybody pretends they live by, even though they have no
application in reality.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
All Right, well you and I will keep fighting to
get rid of some of the fiction.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Thank you, Greg.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
All Right, just before we go to the break, now,
I want to bring you this because it's very interesting.
You remember the bloke I had on the show the
other day. You know who's got this big sign in
his pub highlighting the voting record of the Coujong Tilmanique Ryan.
That's Joe Romaro. Well, these come up with a bit
of a cheeky idea to get the council up. But
he's now selly very special stubby holders at his pub
that match that build. It says Monique, Please do not
(40:02):
take this beer. I love a joke getting quick. If
you want to get one of those, iver going to
sell very very fast.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I'll be a collectors on them. I'll tell you what's
good on your joke.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
After the break the protests. So to the landmark UK
ruling where biological sex. We're at it again. Well, the
mobs are angry, the trans mobs. Glass Zelenski, he's copped
another serve from Donald Trump. All right, my final panel
of the night International. There's a lot going on there
(40:34):
to Sky and his contributed kosher GUARDA joins me and
former Labour MP Michael Danby. Welcome to you both. I
want to start with the events at the Vatican this week.
Of course we've had the death of a pope, and
unlike the crown, this is interesting. There is a vacancy.
There's never a vacancy with the crown. There might be
a death of a monarch, but the Crown rolls right along.
(40:54):
So now there must be an election and it'll be
a bit of a diplomatic flashpoint for the funeral on Saturday.
A whole lot of world leaders are in attendance. Of
course Donald Trump, so a lot of people will be
there because I want to get in his ear on tariffs,
but kosher, just broadly, I mean, there is going to
be quite a debate inside the church, inside the conclave
(41:17):
with the cardinals, between the conservative factions previously John Paul two,
also Pope Benedict, and of course the more liberal factions
small now liberal that we're seeing of course now with
the passing of Pope Francis and a lot of the
cardinals they're in the conclave in the Systeine Chapel will
be from that liberal or moderate left wing faction.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's going to be fascinating, it sure will.
Speaker 10 (41:46):
And you know, politics, unfortunately, it has seeped into every institution,
including the church and the conclave over here. It shouldn't be,
but it just starts us the reality that that's the
way it's framed. Everybody has a certain perspective and that
will come Drew and who they decide to elect. We've
never had an American pope, so I think that would
be interesting. We've had a South American obviously, but not
(42:07):
to anybody from Africa would be interesting. But there's all
sorts of talk that they want to bring in somebody
from Africa or from another country. And I do think
that all the political chatter around that is going.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
To be quite loud. I have to say.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
I think politics originated in the Catholic Church in the
Vatican has been going on.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
The factionalism is not a new thing, and it will
be interesting. I think you're right Africa and the Philippines
where there's been a massive growth of numbers there in
support for the church.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Hey, Michael, it was only a couple of months ago
the Canadian Prime minister was absolutely going to come from
the Conservative bloc.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It was a laid down Masseia.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Then Donald Trump went to war against the Canadians, has
threatened to make them the fifty first state. Pierre Polief,
I don't know. I think it's looking tough for him.
How damn has this all been well?
Speaker 14 (43:03):
I think the Donald Trump effect is in every democratic
society around the world, and it favors incumbents because people
are scared, including in Australia, by what do these tariff
changes mean? Let's rally round the flag, let's rally round
the government. So I think in Canada, true Dau may
have resigned in fear of what Trump would do, but
(43:24):
certainly the sort of wild economic effects of these tariffs,
especially when there are auto parts coming back and forth
across the border, is going to increase the price of
American cars. It's definitely having an effect in Canada, and
I think it is here too. When those Lenski scenes
were on TV, I think that's the immediate point in
which Peter Dutton's polling fell.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I absolutely agree with that. I think it was the
scenes we saw out of the White House, Michael. Australians
had a lot of affection for the Ukraine fight, and
I think that took the window of the sales of
the colition, just because I know you watched Canada very closely.
I mean, Mark Karney, it's not even in the Parliament.
He's got a long history as the governor of the
(44:08):
Bank of England and other economic portfolios. Yes he's a
mad sort of climate zealot, but in these economic times
and this pushing and shopping that's going over the United States,
I think that's where he's gaining ground from Pogiev yes,
I think.
Speaker 10 (44:26):
You know, Michael's right. The Trump effect and just the
uncertainty that it's creating with this very bold strategy that
he has does lead to fear and fear of the
unknown with the new candidate. I think the only path
for Pierre Poliev would have been, or still could be,
to show higher contrasts, not lower contrast where Mark Karney
comes out of central casting for the other side of politics.
(44:46):
You know very much a globalist has three passports, a
central banker. That has advantages, but it has lots of
disadvantages as well. And if he can make the appeal
to the working class of Canada around immigration and other
things in that nature, I think that's kind of where
his blueprint could have some merit. But otherwise it looks
like it really is slipping away from.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Hey, I've been watching very closely to Kocha that the
for that from that Supreme Court ruling in the United Kingdom,
it can't be appealed. The only way it could perhaps
be done over is legislation. Through the comments, that's not
going to happen. Even kis Dama has discovered the definition
of a woman, but the activism and the protests from
the transgender movement.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I was surprised at the level of their outrage.
Speaker 10 (45:31):
It is that the scale of it is really quite stunning.
There's been vandalism and other things like that. Unfortunately, they
have taken place as well. In a way, it's not
surprising to me because this group, you know, is one
of the most rapidly active out of all grievance groups
out there, that the transactivist lobby is really really loud
and strong, and they're just able to organize and spring
into action immediately when these things happen. They get covered
(45:53):
from celebrities. The bridget and actress apparently weigh in and
it's helping raise money and all of that. So that
sort of thing kind of astroturchs and pops them up.
But as you said, this was a landmark ruling in
the backfoot.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Now, Michael, what's the latest about this signal leaking or
the signal chat involving the US Defense sectary, Pete Heskiff,
Because this has just gone on and on and on,
it hasn't gone away.
Speaker 14 (46:19):
It's more significant than it appears, Peter, because this is
the weakening of Hegseth, the weakening of Waltz, the weakening
of Rubio and the strengthening of jd Vance and Tossy
Gabbout the isolationist. You can see that in Witkoff's behavior in.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Gaza Iran and in Ukraine.
Speaker 14 (46:41):
And I just point people to that brilliant interview that
Bolt did with General Keane last Thursday.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
It's a frightening scenario.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Let's just put something up on the screen, Michael two.
This is not international. This is very important though the
Australian election, Jewish groups have expressed their disappointment at Labour's decision,
your party's decision to preference to Greens basically right across
the country, bar for one seat. Here's the latest edition
of Australian Jewish News.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
That is Mark.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Dreyfus and he is preferencing the Greens number two in
his own seat.
Speaker 14 (47:13):
Albow and Dreyfus shouldn't have done it, Peter, A woman
Ferruki had the Jews in the bin next to her.
I imagine what happened to Tony Abbott when he had
the ditch the witch behind him. She should have been
driven out of politics. Ferruki and Leong, the leader in
New South Wales tentacles, so shouldn't have been done. Big
(47:36):
mistake and should be punished for it politically, but won't be.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Shame on you labor. All right, we'll leave it there.
Big week next week, last week of the campaign. Thank
you both, Thank you for your company. I'll see you
on Monday at six.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
He's Andrew
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