April 30, 2025 • 50 mins
The worrying influence of volunteers linked to the Chinese Communist Party, and just how significant was Donald Trump’s impact on the Canadian election? Plus, Tony Abbott on suggestions Labor could revive the Voice.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
up tonight on Predline, Big Show, Penny Wrong Bells, the
cat on the Voice and everything else that comes with it,
including treaty all alive and well if.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Labor's re elected.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It was an out astounding admission. How to discuss that
shortly with former Prime Minister Tony Abbott the worrying influence
of the Chinese Communist Party linked to volunteers. This time
Labor front bencher Clara O'Neil caught up in a scandal.
Now she's quick to say today nothing to see here
but the Electoral watchdog things. Otherwise, an investigation is now open.
(00:43):
I'm going to do a whip around too tonight to
a few of the key seats candidates to have a
real shot of unseating Labor and those Gucci green teals
on Saturday. And it's a question that should be on
the mind of every voter as they head to the
polling booth. Yet today the Minister still couldn't give a
straight answer.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Our Australian's better off now than they were before you
were elected.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I'll tell you what the.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Right answer that is, and that is that Australians would
be seven two hundred dollars worse off if Peter Dutton
had got his way.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But first, there were two big new developments today in
the campaign that's been most marked first by the other
deceit of labor and the second by a general avoidance
of all the big issues facing Australia. In the final
debate on Sunday, Anthony Halbernezi was grilled about the Failed
Voice and whether.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He try to bring it back if re elected.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Remember these were the first words on his lips on
election night last.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Time, on behalf of the Australian Labor Party, I commit
to the ULARUS statement from the heart and hold.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Berry was completely committed to the full Ularou Indigenous Separatist agenda, Voice,
Treaty and truth. Yet on Sunday, under pressure, there was
a febitish story. But eventually it was extracted out of
him that the failed Voice was.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He says, gone, do you still believe.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
In it under the former government? It's gone?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No man, what's your personal viewssful? You still believe priminist?
I mean people want to know this, you still believe
in what the Voice was trying to achieve. It's just
the name that you've abandoned. You're still try and get
the objectives.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
No, that process was not successful.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Until today, the government's Senate leader, the most powerful player
in labor bar none Penig Wong, saying that the Voice
was coming back and one day would be as unquestioned
and has taken for granted his gay marriage despite being
rejected sixty forty in that referendum just eighteen months ago.
Here was Wong in a podcast that was released on Monday.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
Look, I think we'll look back on it in ten
years time and it'll be like marriage equality, don't you reckon?
Like I was just say, marriage equality, which took us
such a bloody fight to get that done, And I thought,
all this fuss, it'll become something to be like people go,
do we have an argument about that? They weren't even
like kids today or any even adults today, barely kind
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of clock that it used to be an issue.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So the Foreign Minister supremely confident that the Voice just
won't have come about within the decade, but will be
all but universally accepted, even though it's just been resoundedly rejected.
As I said, by the majority of Australians, including in
every single state. So what is the government's plan here?
Or here's the PM trying to dig himself out of
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the hole. Earlier today, asked on ABC Radio whether his
senior colleague had said an indigenous voice to part was inevitable,
the Prime Minister implausibly deny that's what she said, even
though that's absolutely what she meant.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
Here he is is Pennywong right, is the voice sort
of inevitable?
Speaker 9 (04:14):
Well she didn't say that at all, So you just
played it people will I think. I think it was
a very modest proposal, but it didn't receive the support
of the Australian people, and that is what Penny Wong
is saying. During that campaign, we were told that it
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would determine where Australia's defense basis would be, it would
make a difference to people's private property rights, it would
do extraordinary things. None of that was the case. It
was an advisory committee that was non binding about matters
that affect Indigenous Australians. It wasn't successful, but a serious question.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
PM.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
I do think the implication there is that it's inevitable
or not.
Speaker 9 (05:06):
But she didn't say that rap. She did not say that.
She spoke about how people will look back on what
the issues were. That's very different from saying it's inevitable.
She did not say that at all. And in Penny
Wong is in fact from a state in South Australia
which you'd be aware, does have a voice to Parliament
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that has elected representatives that is in place.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Semantic gymnastics from the Prime Minister and we hear this
so often from that liar in the lodge, saying one
thing yet doing another. He cannot be trusted. Now, Patty
Wong is one of the most political people in Australian
public life. Nothing she does is by accident. Nothing she
says is an accident. So here's what all of this
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was about. Soong's comment about the voice that it's coming back,
that will happen is to lock in Labour's base, try
and claw back some of those younger voters in particular
who have drifted off to the Greens. Second, and this
is why she's pushing it out now in the dying
days of this campaign. Late enough Labor hopes that it
won't get picked up too widely in the media, but
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in sufficient time that should they win, they can then
claim it as some sort of mandate. We told you
about it before the election. That's what they'll say now.
I would also argue that in the deal Labour's done
already with the Greens on preferences, a legislated voice is
already on at the table. It is a front and
center of that preference deal. See why I say this
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election matters more than any other I can recall in
my lifetime. To bring back the voice is to trash
the democratic decision you took eighteen months ago to reject
this divisive race based change to our constitution. So every
Australian who voted No needs to send them a message
in terms he can't help but understand. And that message
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is to throw him out of office on his ear.
Because you've heard me say this before for me. One's
shame on you form me twice.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Shame on me. Tell you what I am fired up
about that voice. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Labor also out there today this ongoing energy train wreck
due to the government's obsession with the renewables only electricity
grid that Labour keeps doubling down on, despite the trillion
dollar costs, despite the experience overseas. Despite the pleas today
from energy experts or the intervention of labor luminaries like
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former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, the one thing no
one in the Albanezer government wanted to talk about today
and they were pushed was the near twenty four hour
national power blackout in Spain and Portugal, Countries like US
that are aiming for a renewables only power grid and
that just have only celebrated the first full day of
one hundred percent renewable power, except that the power has
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just gone completely out, triggering a national chaos. Now most
likely it was all caused by the highly fluctuating production,
inevitable in a weather dependent renewables system. Meanwhile, some unlikely
people started to call out the damage caused by this
whole net zero crusade. In a carefully considered intervention, former
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British labor Prime Minister Tony Blair has advised his labor
colleagues to about face on net zero. His message to
the current British PM is that net zero is doomed
to fail.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Blair said it's wrong that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
People were being asked to make financial sacrifices and changes
in lifestyle when they know that their impact on global
emissions is minimal. In appointed message, he told his form
my labor colleagues that they must face up to when
I quote inconvenient facts. He accused Labour's leaders of being
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quote terrified to admit the climate policies are not working
from fear of being climate deniers. And he's being joined
by other British MPs from working class seats most damaged
by de industrialization. Here's one Graham Stringer, an MP who
holds a seat centered around the hard scrabble parts of Manchester,
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who said, and I quote net zero is helping the
Chinese economy to the detriment of the British economy. Now,
in all of that, you could just substitute Australia for Britain.
But is anyone listening here to Tony Blair or the
fifty prominent Australians including the former head of the Australian
Nuclear Science Technology Organization Anstoe that runs our medical nuclear
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reactor at Lucas Heights in the suburbs of Sydney, who
today published an open letter in all of our major papers.
It said, I We're being pushed into a reckless, multi
trillion dollar energy experiment without proper planning, honest debate or
engineering oversight. Powerful vested interests, they said, are shaping energy policy.
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Quote many energy and environmental organizations are funded by foreign investors,
foreign renewable manufacturers, and billionaire donors. Without sufficient transparency under
current policies, they said, the risk of blackouts is real
and rising. Why do renewables still require massive subsidies if
they are so cheap, they asked. We don't bulldoze the
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environment to save it, they said, We don't ignore slave
labor to meet a climate target, they said. Another signatory
form Australia of the Year, Dick Smith said, a delusion.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
It is a.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Delusion that we can run a country on renewables and batteries.
Once renewables get to around twenty percent of the system,
they start to destroy the economics of baseload twenty four
to seven power, the sort of power we need to
keep the lights on.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Once renewables get.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
To about fifty percent of the system, or they put
its stability and reliability at grave risk. Yet, Chris Bowen,
if he has returned to power, wants eighty two percent
renewables within five years. Remember what I just said. This
is the most consequential election in generations. Australia cannot afford
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a second term of labor for me once, shame on you,
for me twice, Shame on me.
Speaker 10 (11:39):
All right?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
The PM half of that speech today and canbet to
the Press Club jetted off to Perth. He's doing a
lot of travel across another Boardsdy might be worried about
those seats. Our reporter, Treaty Macintosh was there and of
course filed this report.
Speaker 11 (11:51):
Appearing at the National Press Club. The Prime Minister's sidestepped
one of the central questions in this election campaign.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Our Australint's better off now than they were before you
were elected.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I'll tell you what the.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Right answer that is, and that is that Australians would
be seven two hundred dollars worse off if Peter Dutton
had got his way.
Speaker 11 (12:15):
Medicare is at the center of the Albanese government's re
election pitch. It's also the central attack on his rival,
with repeated claims the coalition plans to slash the health system.
Speaker 12 (12:26):
Do you have to exaggerate in this campaign? Why can't
you win this election by telling the truth.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Just days ago he was saying that Medicare is not sustainable,
so you know, and when Medicare and when and when
he tried to abolish bulk billing.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
He tried.
Speaker 11 (12:43):
Faced with a decade of deficits and soaring debt. The
PM pressed on whether labor is eyeing off revenue gains
from trusts or superannuation.
Speaker 12 (12:52):
Is the caviat that anything you work on takes effect
after the next election and then breaking a promise.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
What we're doing. What we're doing is putting forward our policies.
They're out there. The costumes were put out there.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
From here.
Speaker 11 (13:07):
The Prime Minister plans to visit six states in just
three days. It's the final sprint until the polls close
on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
All right, now, the pend Dutton's campaign. He was busy
in Victoria today traveling again. They are now. Political reporter
Cam Reddin filed this report.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
Peter the opposition leader, stopping here for his fifteenth refuel
of the campaign on one last big push through Victoria,
from visiting a sea for charity in the seat of
Dunkley to yum Cha in Chisholm.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I've been working forward to this lunch and.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Dishing out early dessert in Aston.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Put the camera down, they come and have come and
have one of them.
Speaker 13 (13:44):
Come on, come on, don't be so shy.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
No visit yet though to the nearby TiAl seats of
Goldstein or coup Yong, where the former member has floated
a potential return.
Speaker 14 (14:01):
When are you coming back?
Speaker 15 (14:06):
Not in a hurry, but you never say never, but
you want to be Prime ministerday.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
I don't think ambitions are crime to.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
A comeback of a different kind. The Opposition seizing on
comments from the Foreign Minister about a potential revisit of
the Voice to Parliament.
Speaker 13 (14:21):
The Prime Minister should have heard the voice of the
Australian public when they voted No in the referendum.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Clearly they haven't, Peter, this is our ninth campaign stop
in the last three days. We're told there could be
as many as nineteen more to go on this final
few days of the campaign.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right, let's go to the PM's address today at
the Press Club the Canberra Gallery. Kid gloves were on
except for one very memorable question from our own Andrew Clenal.
First up, though, this is the inspiration for Andrew's question.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Have you finished the question?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Answer?
Speaker 16 (14:58):
It's perfectly plain. The Australian Labor Party is going out
after the financial institutions, the funded's programs and a massive
scale four thousand billion dollars of additional funding. And if
you can't under oh well that's a good bipartisan approach.
Rullship comes from the breast gallery.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Can you imagine Malcolm Fraser saying bs that word in
the middle of the day. Well, here's how Andrew put
that updated version to mister Albanezi today.
Speaker 12 (15:33):
It could be said there's been a fair amount of
bs in this campaign and also before the last election.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You know we're in like it's the middle of the
day so kids are watching.
Speaker 12 (15:44):
Was when Malcolm Fraser addressed the press club too before
the last election. You said power bills would reduce they didn't.
You said you wouldn't alter the tax cuts.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
You did.
Speaker 12 (15:52):
You said you wouldn't change souper you're trying. You said
we'd have cheaper mortgages. We don't. You said an election
night you'd commit to the Ullery statement in full. You haven't.
And you said when you're messed up you would admit fault.
Now you say Peter Dutton is seeking to americanize the
health system. He's promising to match your bulk billing funding.
Some of your ads basically say he's going to abolish
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Medicare you say he's nuclear plan will be funded by cuts?
You're renewable subsidies and rewiring the nation aren't paid for
by cuts.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
You might come out here, Andrew, and.
Speaker 12 (16:23):
My question is how why do you have to exaggerate
in this campaign? Why can't you win this election by
telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It was a crack of a question, suffice to say,
he didn't like it, and he certainly didn't answer it either.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Join him now my panel.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Send your reporter Carolyn Marcus, sending your fellow too with
the Mensies Research Center, Nick cat Well. Nick, there are
a couple of other tougher questions beside that one there
from Andrew Cleanew. But the usual sort of camera a
bubble barely ride that labor politicians get there. However, that
stopped him in his tracks. What were your key takeaways
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from today?
Speaker 17 (17:04):
It's like trying to wrestle a slippery or eel, isn't it,
and trying to get a slippery eel by the throat.
And when you see Andrew Glanell make very little progress
in trying to get the prime Prime Minister to actually
answer a question, you realize what a slippery, devious man
this is. But there's a deeper point here, Peter, and
that point is that I think the Prime Minister is
showing great disrespect to the Australian public. He's treating them
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like children. He hasn't been at any point of this
campaign to fly his many appearances. He is not once
fronted up and been honest about the great challenges this
country faces faces, particularly in economics and national security. Nor
has he, of course come up with any solutions or
serious policy for that. Instead, we've had bs, and we've
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had slogans, and we've had a bunch of electoral giveaways.
There's been nothing approaching a policy, and therefore I think
he will have no mandate when he comes to power,
which given that he will probably be governing with the
help of the Greens, who have a tremendous agenda, an
ideologically driven agenda that's very harmful for this country. I
think that puts US in a very dangerous position.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Unless Australians wake up between now and six o'clock on
Saturday night, a lot still haven't voted, and our hope
revelations in the last couple of days will wake them up.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Let's go to that scandal.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
More news today regarding volunteers from organizations linked to the
Chinese Communist Party today Labor front bench of Claire O'Neill.
She was exposed in The Australian this morning with reporting
that ALP member Chap Chaw, a self described friend of O'Neil,
arranged for the Hubei Association to recruit volunteers to staff
her polling booths on election day. Now, since this report broke,
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it's been referred to the Electoral Watchdog. For her part,
she says, nothing to see here and nothing to do
with her staff.
Speaker 18 (19:00):
Staff and my office did not make any request for
assistance from this organization. The organization offered assistance to the office,
and my team did exactly the right thing, which has
politely declined that offer of support.
Speaker 14 (19:19):
Pretty concerning, Caroline, Very concerning, especially when you consider that
this group, the hube Organization, has been accused previously of
basically being a front group for the Chinese Communist Party
and for advancing their message overseas.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And if that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Doesn't carry the stench foreign interference with it, then I
don't know what does. Now we've already seen the TLMP
monique Ryan. She's being investigated by the Australian Election Commission
over having some of this group's volunteer for her and
being caught out. And after that happened, the president of
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this group, the Hube Association, that he claimed that it
was the Minister Clara O'Neil who had contacted them, or
at least her team had contacted the group asking for
volunteers to help, and it was only after the story
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concerning Miss Ryan came out Doctor Ryan came out that
they frantically made a call to this group saying we
better cancel because obviously there's a lot of heed around
the group and we don't want to be involved in this. Now,
that's two very different version of events. The minister who
says her team was approached by the group and politely declined,
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and the group which said that no, it was the
other way around. So look, it'll be up to the
AAC to completely investigate this, but certainly not what Labour
wants at all on the eve of a federal election.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And you've got to wonder what other candidates are also
involved in this mode, Will one's like it? Nick, I've
been speaking to a lot of polsters and campaign insiders
for the last week just to get some sort of
steer on what they've got in their truck polling and
what's running at a published pole level. And also I'm
talking to people working on prepole booths because there's a
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lot of feedback coming in from you know, it's different
state by state. Obviously, it's different electric by electric, but
it's very, very interesting. There's a real surge in the
One Nation vote that's clear. Will it materialize on Saturday night, Well,
we'll see. But this puts one Nation in the box
seat and One Nation voters in the box seat because
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their preferences will be key if the race is as
tired as we predict on Saturday night. Now, normally they're
not so disciplined with preferences. If they are disciplined, if
they're as disciplined as the Greens are and funneling their
preferences back to labor, absolutely this.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Is game on. Now.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I know you've been out a number of seats this week.
What can can you report from the ground.
Speaker 17 (22:03):
Well, I can confirm that One Nation is looking very
strong at this election. I mean I was twice this
morning on a booth in Woollongong handing out how to
vote cards for Amanda in the seat of Cunningham, which
is a seat actually we're doing just brightening strongly, despite
the fact that it's always been a Labor stronghold. Twice
people came and asked me for the One Nation how
to vote card. I wasn't able to help them. But
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there's clearly a push on for one Nation and I
think the one Nation votes will be come back in
terms of preferences much more solidly for the Liberal and
National Party this time than previously. I mean they were
pretty solid last time. By the way, it was the
Palmer votes that were really flaky. The Palmer's not really
running a serious campaign this time. So I think that
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the Coalition in some seats, and it's a seat by
seat version basis here we're for hading one hundred and
fifty micro elections, as you know, Peter. Then in some
seats and important seats like where were like Whitlam, like Cunningham,
I think that we will get we will be in
better position to benefit.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
From the.
Speaker 17 (23:07):
Preference votings from the independence and minor parties than Labor
because the Green Boat is not particularly high in those electorates.
So I'm confident it'd be better, of course if people
just dispensed with that all together and just put the
liberals first in my view, but then other people have
a different opinion on that one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, And I urge people if you're on the center
right and you're listening to the ads from the Palma
Group or the Trumpet of Patriots, just understand if you
follow their how to vote card, you'll be funneling votes
back to labor. They are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Let's go Caroline to these disgusting flies that have been
sent out in the heavily Jewish Melbourne suburb of Corefield.
They are from the National Socialist Network. This is a
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neo Nazi group. It's designed to look like a liberal pamphlet,
right down to liberal logo, although the star of David
or the Israeli flag there is on the Liberal l
It's deeply disturbing.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
What can you tell.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Us, Well, I can tell you that this neo Nazi
group has been behind some of the most appalling public
displays of anti Semitism in recent months.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
They're the same group.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That were on the steps of the Victorian Parliament just
before Christmas, who I exposed while hosting your program over
that time, Peter. They were chanting white Man fight back
and Jews must go.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
And the man.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Leading that group, Joel Davis, on the day, is the
same person who's authorized these fliers and whose name appears
at the bottom of them. He was arrested at the time.
He was arrested again in January over the public display
of a Nazi symbol that some of the group were
involved in the booing of the Welcome to country at
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the Anzac Day dawn dawn service that we've been discussing
at length on the programs on Sky News. But they're
very disturbing group. And I can now show you some
footage of Joel Davis and some of the members of
that group from today at a pre poll center in
Kuyong this afternoon. This is new footage. Some of the
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group have we dressed as fake Orthodox Jews in black
hats and beards, and they're holding larger versions of these
same flyers that had been distributed to homes around the area,
and it's a very heavily Jewish area. The liberal candidate
for Kuyong, Amelia Hama, has condemned the stunt. She said,
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I am appalled by the atrocious anti Semitic material being
circulated and paraded at the q early voting Center by
the National Socialist Network, which includes a manipulated Liberal logo.
There is no place for racism in Australia. I am
proud to stand with the Jewish community and Israel and
til MP Minique Grin has also slammed this display at
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the q prepolls. She said she too was appalled.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Now the flyers, as.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You pointed out, obviously are very misleading. But they if
people don't look close enough, they might think it really
is a Liberal Party flyer which says things like giving
the Jews everything they want and has fake policies like
abolish free speech and give Jews free money. But and
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this group is even planning to register a Nazi party
with the Australian Electoral Commission, they say. But I think
what's really disturbing here is how brazen that they've become recently.
And I have previously said that they've been emboldened clearly
by the federal Labor government and the state Victorian government
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to be so bold about their public displays of anti
semitism because we haven't seen so I'll leave it crazen.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Display because I want to move on because thank you Carolyn,
I'll leave it there. I want to move on because
I will get to at the end of the show
as some commitments that Adam Band has made to Muslim
voters and that are disturbing in relation to Gaza. This
will go down to the wire in some labor held
seats with the Greens and the Muslim vote. But I'll
get to that a bit later on. Thank you both,
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Nick and Caroline. Let's turn now to those comments from
Penny Wong, who in her podcast debut, has suggested an
Indigenous voice to Parliament was inevitable or is inevitable? Never
bind the fact of course Australians voted against it sixty forty.
Wong says, Australians will one day be incredulous there was
ever an argument over the voice. Now, the guys that
advance Australia, they are quick off the mark today and
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they could not have.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Put it better.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Remember the Voice to Parliament referendum.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Australia has made the choice and voted no.
Speaker 19 (27:47):
Well, Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong want to ignore your vote,
saying that the voice is inevitable.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Look, I think we'll look back on it in ten
years time and it'll be like marriage equality, don't you reckon?
I was just say marriage equality, which took us such
a bloody fight to get that done, and I thought,
all this fuss, it'll become something to be like. People go,
do we have an argument about that? They weren't even
like the kids today or any even adults today. Barely
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kind of clock that it used to be an issue.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
What authorized by Sounderbock advanced Australia camera.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And more and more and more.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
We're going to hit social media networks in the coming hours.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Peter Dutton two. He hit back, have a listen.
Speaker 13 (28:34):
I thought the Prime Minister had heard that we said no,
and now it turns out Labor's thinking about legislating it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Look at the whole debate this week about Welcome to
Country that News dot com pole one hundred and thirty
plus thousand Australians sixty seven percent said no, No, we
want all these welcome to countries to stop. Saw how
people voted in the Voice referendum. It could not be clearer.
The vast majority of Australians do not want this divided
by race. But Labor isn't listening and As I've reported
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repeatedly in the past, Truth and Treaty are both still
funded in the federal budget. The work is continuing. Join
me now from Lon cest and former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well, Tony Abbert, I would.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Regard this as a denial of democracy.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Wouldn't you?
Speaker 15 (29:24):
Absolutely right, Peter. This is a giant two fingered salute
to the voters of Australia who resoundingly said no to
a voice. And what Penny Wong has admitted today is
you're going to get the voice anyway if we stay
in government. Now. The only language that people like Penny
Wong and Antony ALBANIZI will understand is being booted out
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because if they stay, the voice is coming regardless of
how we voted, whether we like it or not, because
that's exactly what green left governments do. They deny the
will of the public to avoid it at every turn.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You and I both have discussed this. We've never thought
the labors dropped the voice. I mean, labor don't drop
any of these sort of causes. It's a bit like
an iceberg. You only see a little tip every once
in a while, but it's there. And as I mentioned,
all the underlying work's been still done in the public service.
How though, given the election and the majority of people
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will still be voting on Saturday, how on earth do
you get this message out So the Australians who voted
no understand if they vote for Labor or the Greens
on the weekend, they get something that they opposed back
regardless of the referendum.
Speaker 15 (30:40):
Well, yes, Peter, it was only ever a tactical retreat
by the Prime Minister and by the Green Left. And
what people need to understand between now and polling day
is that if you never want to see this divisive
race based voice, you've just got to get rid of
the government. That's all, because they haven't given up. And
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if we want them to understand that no means no,
we've got to get rid of the Albanezy government that
brought all this on.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Talk to me about energy, because it's been front and
center of the campaign. If Labour's returned though under Chris Bowen,
we're going to look like Spain. They've been left in
the dark in recent days and that's in relation to
a renewables power breakdown. We've even got the former UK
Labor PM Tony Blair say that zero is a big problem.
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He says, rapidly phasing out fossil fuels or limiting energy
consumption is doomed to fail. How is it that the
rest of the world's waking up, and yet here we've
still got our head in the sand.
Speaker 15 (31:49):
Look, the biggest single disaster, master minded and brought on
by the current government is the energy train wreck, and
it's just getting worse and worse all the time. And Spain,
which has had a national twenty four hour blackout, shows
what's just around the corner if we keep going down
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this path. Tony Blair has had the decency in the
common sense to call this out, But the two people
who will never listen are Anthony Albanezi and Chris Bowen.
This is worse than economic self harm. It's almost attempted
economic suicide.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Peter.
Speaker 15 (32:33):
Now, I've been in probably a dozen or more marginal
seats over the last few weeks, and the message that
I'm getting from the general public it's not just about
cost of living. It's about the economic vandalism behind the
cost of living crisis. And there's no better illustration than
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energy policy. People understand, as Dick Smith said today, it
is a semi delusion, delusion to think that you can
run a country on solar panels and batteries. You can
run a house, but you can't run a country. And
if we keep going down this path, it won't just
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be our cost of living that goes through the roof.
We'll lose our jobs, We'll lose our industries. We'll lose
our security, our national security, not just our financial security,
because energy security is national security. This is the scale
of the unfolding disaster if we don't change the government
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on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, and I just showed very quickly.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They're an open letter that went into the newspapers today
fifty experts, so people not pushing a particular barrow. These
are experts in energy who have called out the issue
of our renewables only greed. You're in Tazzi, and I
know Tazzy's had, you know, some good and some tough
and some challenging economic times over the year is and
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you've got a lot of lovely young people behind you
who want to be able to stay in Tasmania. I
suspect you want to run a business or join an
industry and stay on the apple isle. And if we
send our industry off shore. If we end up becoming
a country of nail bars and baristas, for God's sake,
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if we don't make things in this country anymore, then
there's no opportunity for these young people.
Speaker 15 (34:29):
Completely correct, Peter. Obviously Tasmania is a wonderful place, but
you can't have a great community without a strong economy
to sustain it. And as Peter Dutton has said, electricity
is the economy.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Power is the economy.
Speaker 15 (34:47):
And if we go back to the Middle Ages relying
on the sun and the wind to provide our power,
eventually we're going to have a commensurate lifestyle, commendurate living standard.
And that's the folly of all this. I mean, China's
not doing it, India is not doing it, Russia is
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not doing it. Now the United States is not doing it,
and yet we are still embarked on this road to
economic nowhere.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I'll leave you there.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I know you're in marginal seats and you're working right
until Lawaia. Someone think you're still still in office, Tony Abbat,
but I know you love a campaign.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Thank you for your time.
Speaker 15 (35:30):
I'm a recovering politician, Peter. I'm a recovering politician, and
this is a relapse.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I know you are, I know you, I know you
love a campaign.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Thank you, Tony. All right, after the break, I'll do
a whip.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Around to some of the candidates, the real candidates out
there on the ground, with a shot of unsetting Labor
and the teals this weekend, plus the worrying sign the
US China trade war is about to get a lot worse,
with plenty of blowback here in Australia.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Quarterbacks to the calm.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Why Labour's later tax on unrealized capital gains is just
the beginning and Adam Band's pitch for the Muslim voter
as the race gets tighter and tighter in some key
Labor seats. Crossing now to the seat of Aston in
Melbourne's e's former local mayor, deputy principal of a large
school in the area, manacur Cello is the homegrown Liberal
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candidate vying to win back what was once a coalition
stronghold that Labor one in that surprise narrow victory in
the twenty twenty three by election. Mannie, welcome to the program.
Labor holds Aston. You've grown up there, You've lived your
whole life there. Labor holds it. By three zero point
six percent. Give me a sense of the feeling on
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the ground in this campaign and the issues that are
being raised with you.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Well, thank you Peter for having me on your show tonight.
What I've seen at the polling booth these last few
days is people are voting for change. Crime is a
massive issue here in Aston. Just this year crime has
gone up fourteen percent.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Now, three years ago.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
Crime wasn't even an issue. But unfortunately in Victoria we
have double trouble. We have just into Alan with more
crime and Anthony Albanezi with more debt, but doing nothing
to solve our crime crisis here in Aston and in Australia.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
So it's interesting you mentioned crime.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
You mentioned just interrollen because when I talk to people,
particularly on booths in the Arter suburbs of Victoria, of Melbourne,
places where you are, Daniel Lanrew's name comes up time
and time again as people grab the how to vote
card from the Libs. They say, I've never voted Liberal,
but I remember Daniel l Andrew's and I'm voting with
you this time. Is that something you're seeing in Aston?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (37:50):
At the pre poll people were coming in and saying
it's time for change. We want to give someone else
a go. They've seen a failure from the state labor
government and also from this federal government with increasing cost
of living pressures.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
One lady came out.
Speaker 10 (38:06):
To me and showed me her expenses at the end
of the week, after paying the rent, paying for her bills, groceries,
She's got nothing left, nothing left for anything else. It's
quite a serious issue here in Aston, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Mannie, be REMISSI with me before I say goodbye to
say a shout out to your dear dad, who tells
me he's my number one fan. So all the best
for you on Saturday. But my best regards to your
mum and your dad. Thanks for your time. Let's go
out of the contest on the Northern Beaches. The seat
of war Ringer once, of course held by my former boss,
Tony Abbott, but it's been tealed territory for some time.
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Jamie Rodgers, though she is an exceptional candidate, she's hoping
to make her mark for the Coalition in the seat
of Wringer, and she joins me, Now, hey, you are
an accomplished competitive swimmer. You're up against a formist. How
does the challenge of running for politics compare.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well.
Speaker 20 (39:05):
Peter, It's certainly been an interesting challenge and thank you
so much for having me on this evening. Well, I've
got to say, when you sit across the English Channel
and it takes twelve and a half hours to do that,
you need discipline, you need resilience, but most importantly it's
just a lot of hard work. And that's exactly what
I'm doing in this political space to win back Waringer.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I mean it when I say, and I've spoken to
a lot of people that have dealt with you, you
are an exceptional candidate. I think the Libs out there
have feelin felt a bit fulaorn in recent times. I
think they're thrilled to have you on the campaign trial.
What are the issues that people are raising with you?
Is there any sort of buyers remorse with the Teals?
Speaker 20 (39:45):
Yeah, Peter, I must say there certainly is. And that's
what we've been hearing over and over and over again,
is that they did vote for the incumbent in the
last two elections, but they are coming back to the
Liberals this time around. And it's because when you look
at when you've had in this seat for six years,
that's a long time under two different governments, and we
just don't have a lot to show for it. And
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I guess the evidence is in things like Hansard, who's
done an analysis and shows the Zali in last parliament
only mentioned Boringa fourteen percent of the time. And I
guess that then also shows with her voting record that
she's votes with the Green seventy one percent of the time.
So Waringa's not her priority, and voters are really starting
to see that. We are seeing cost of living is
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also an issue in Maringa, but across different ways. I mean,
childcare comes up over and over and over again, Peter.
We pay the highest childcare fees in the entire country.
On average, it's about two hundred and twenty dollars a
day to send your child to childcare. But small businesses,
you know, we've lost thirty thousand businesses under this state
labor government across the country in the past three years.
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And we walk along Manly corso there's four lease signs
in the window when you go down Military Road in Mossman.
It's the same story there. So businesses are hurting and
families are hurting, and we're just hearing that they really
want change that that's away from the tials, but also
this state list labor government.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
All Right, we got to fight down to the wire.
Jamie Great Tavy on the program. All the best for Saturday.
All right, quick break after the break. Just how significant
was Donald Trump's impact on the Canadian election? Plus Adam
Band's pitch for the Muslim vote. Even more concessions are
promised on Gaza and the anti Morrison message written in
Chinese that's being circulated to key marginal seats. All right,
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coming up, of course, Kel Richards in a moment. The
first there's been a dramatic drop in the number of
bookings for shipping containers from China to the United States
amidst Donald Trump's trade war. According to the tracking group Vision,
bookings plummeted some forty five percent year on year by
mid April. At the same time, here at home, of course,
we've had this warning from SMP about the nation's triple
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A credit rating and concern too about Labour's massive spendeth
on to try and.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Buy our voters.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It comes as a coalition and claims annual GDP would
have been some two hundred and fifteen billion dollars higher
if labor ad met it's one point two percent productivity
growth assumptions. Join me now, the panel columists at the
Spectator Terry Barnes, chief economist, and seeing your fellow at
the IPA.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Adam Crichton.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Well, Gens, I'll start with you, and this is your
patch economics. I mean, if you look at that shipping data,
it is sobering.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
So at all the.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Stuff you can see out there this week in the economy,
this S and P warnings, we've got some pretty uncertain
economic times ahead.
Speaker 21 (42:30):
Well, just in terms of the shipping fall, I think
Donald Trump would probably say, well, it's working, My policy
is working. But I think the rubber is really going
to hit the road with his supporters because there will
be shortages of cheap formerly Chinese produced goods. There'll be
more inflation. So I think the stock market declines and
the volatility there you know, his his supporters can deal with,
but they don't have many shares. But this is going
to be a real test for him.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
And I mean, as for.
Speaker 21 (42:51):
The Australian figures that you mentioned, I mean it's Australia's
productivity performance has been appalling for years and it's no
surprise because you know, we keep foisting all these regulations
on the economy, net zero in particular, I mean the
cost of net zero on the economy, and.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yes, which is extraordinary.
Speaker 21 (43:06):
So even the Labor Party in the UK is now
backing away from this insanity. And the same thing is
going to happen here for sure in the next five
to ten years.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
But all the collateral.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Damage except if we run with the Greens, if you know,
Adam Bant and Anthony Albanezer and an unholy alliance come
Sunday morning, that's the nightmare.
Speaker 21 (43:24):
That's the nightmare, isn't it that basically it's a joint
government with the Greens. Let's hope that is not the case.
But look at you know, if there's any silver lining
to that is I think it will accelerate the backing
off from net zero in the long term as people
will see just how crazy it is.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Let's go to Canada.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
The best result there for the Conservative side in some
thirty seven years in terms of votes and seats.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
But they still lost.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Not only that, the guy we all admire PV he
lost his seat. Now it's tough there, it's first past
the post. There were some ninety one candidates in the race.
God forbid Terry. But I mean Trump was the third
candidate in this election.
Speaker 19 (44:02):
Oh absolutely, I mean, and I don't think he cares.
That's the thing about Donald Trump. I think he's focusing
entirely on his own agenda and didn't realize that there
was collateral damage north of the border. And he's going
to take out one Conservative leader on Monday, and there's
this possibility of okay, have a second one on Saturday,
which I think is absolutely falling. But in terms of
the election result, there's the Conservatives there.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Did very well. I mean, basically they just.
Speaker 19 (44:27):
Got over just short of the forty two percent that
the Canadian the pull Scott. But the other side of
it is that Pierre Pollier, who I think is the
best leader on the conservative side around the world at
the moment, got done in his own seat because of
those ninety one candidates and possibly because he didn't spend
enough time looking at his own seat like John Howard
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used to do. But look, I think Donald Trump was
a huge factor. Absolutely because Mark Carney as the incoming
clean skin establishment man, I can deal with Donald Trump.
Pierre Poliev as mini Trump, he was not in parliament
a second, He's only just got into parliament, so there's
no record for him to actually worry about, and he
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was able to claim that he was a new government.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
There was a change of government.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
He sells himself as a banker, but he's not. He's
a lot more than that. Is a climate zealot, isn't he.
Speaker 21 (45:18):
Yeah, certainly, you know, he's a hard variety alogue. I mean,
he's championed central banks to do something about climate change
for years, which is of course ridiculous. They meant to
be controlling inflation, which was not controlled very well by
the way, but yeah, they really have. You know, I
think they made a terrible mistake Canadians. I think that
they're going to regret it. You know, the Trump factory
is going to fade away, and then the other costs,
you know, the other issues will come back, housing and energy,
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which are just as much a big issue in Canada
as they are here. So I think, you know, I
think his popularity will fall pretty quickly in coming years.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Let's talk about this anti Morrison memo written in Chinese
that's been circulated Terry. It's gone out in the seat
of Tagny in Perth. According to Google Translate, the signs
read Morrison disappointed you, Darton will only get worse supporting
how it all is to support Dutton.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
What do you make of this?
Speaker 19 (46:06):
Well, it looks like Labour's personal attacks on Peter Dutton
have gone multi lingual, haven't they. And I mean it
still comes down to the basic campaign message that Labor's
running that Peter Dutton is bad. They are good because
they can't run on their own record.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
What does it say to you though, they've been in
power three years and they can't touch their record and they.
Speaker 19 (46:25):
Have to lie, that's right, and they have to demonize
their opposition and invent as you say, they basically lie.
They have a I think lie counts up to about
eighty now.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Isn't it.
Speaker 19 (46:36):
But certainly I think that's not what boters want to see.
They actually want to see a contest of ideas. They're
not getting a contest byde is. They're getting a contest
of personal abuse. Not just think that's wrong, just.
Speaker 21 (46:48):
Very briefly so sad that we've reached a position in
this country where significant chunks of the population can't read
English use a different language.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's a powerful point.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
And if you go out to some suburbs in western
western Melbourne and Sydney. You get it in other languages,
other scripts even Hey, just just on that. Though Adam
Band has put a pitch out for the Muslim vote,
we know the seat of Will's Peter Khalil labors.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Khalil's in the fight of his life there.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
But he's basically offering a whole lot of stuff in
relation to Gaza.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
That's a worry.
Speaker 21 (47:17):
Well, it's no longer a Green party really, it's a
far left ideological party. They're far more concerned about Israel
and Gaza than they are about the environment. And I
think more and more Green supporters should you should realize
what they're actually voting for, extremely high taxation government and
it's all these kind of soft green teal supporters in
these rich seats. They're really voting for much higher taxes
on themselves.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
They're the other party of the Greens. Yes, a bet
addressed flank, aren't they terrible?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah, but it's true.
Speaker 19 (47:41):
But I think when it comes to Muslim vot's pitch,
which I think is absolutely reprehensible, I think you've got
to you've got to remember that Muslims don't vote as
a block, and they don't like the type of social
agenda that the Greens have. They would find it.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Repugnant if they are told about it.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
This is the issue if they are told about it,
and to Adam's point, not the whole community is literally
in English. So this is always a challenge. But we'll
see what we gentz. Thank you right, quick break, quick break.
Kel's on the other side of the break. The wonderful
Kel Richards joins me now from Sydney.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Kell. We're going to get straight into it tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
We're focused on our election, of course, but there's another
big one happening in Rome.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
It kicks off next week.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
VICKI wants to know why the Vatican's called the Holy Sea,
and several wants to know where the word conclave comes from.
Speaker 22 (48:34):
Okay, start with conclave comes from a Latin source word
meaning a room that could be locked from conn together
and clavis meaning key. And for centuries, the voting cardinals
were physically locked in the Systeine Chapel to each sleep
vote until they finally reached a decision. These days, they
are allowed out at night and they go and eat
and sleep at a place called Santa marta house on
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the grounds of the Vatican, and they're only conclaved, locked
together while they're voting. Holy See. Well, the word c
came into English from a Latin word via Anglo Norman French,
and the Latin source word means seat, so it means
the throne of a bishop. Now, the connection Holy See
with the capital h capitalist applied to the papercy from
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about fourteen hundred, but under the lateran agreement between Italy
and the Papacy it was restricted to just the Vatican
City State from nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
All right, red scent brass razo.
Speaker 22 (49:36):
Red scent American from about eighteen twenty nine. It was
a small one cent coin mainly copper, hence a bit
read hence used as an idiom for a very trivial
bit of money. Brass razu mythical never was a brass
razoo in any country, in any currency, and Australian invention
from about nineteen nineteen to say a bit of money
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that's worth nothing whatsoever, although one souvenir shop used to
make fake coins with brass razos stamped on them to
cash in on the.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Expression all right, I've gotta leave it there. I've got
a throat at Andrew Bob, but we'll come back to
the rest of them next week. Thank you, Kel, thank
you all right.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
That's it for me.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Last Kredlin show tomorrow night before the election. Do not
miss it, although I will see you from five o'clock
on Saturday night as I'm on the panel.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
That's it. Here's Andrew
Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
up tonight on Predline, Big Show, Penny Wrong Bells, the
cat on the Voice and everything else that comes with it,
including treaty all alive and well if.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Labor's re elected.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It was an out astounding admission. How to discuss that
shortly with former Prime Minister Tony Abbott the worrying influence
of the Chinese Communist Party linked to volunteers. This time
Labor front bencher Clara O'Neil caught up in a scandal.
Now she's quick to say today nothing to see here
but the Electoral watchdog things. Otherwise, an investigation is now open.
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I'm going to do a whip around too tonight to
a few of the key seats candidates to have a
real shot of unseating Labor and those Gucci green teals
on Saturday. And it's a question that should be on
the mind of every voter as they head to the
polling booth. Yet today the Minister still couldn't give a
straight answer.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Our Australian's better off now than they were before you
were elected.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I'll tell you what the.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Right answer that is, and that is that Australians would
be seven two hundred dollars worse off if Peter Dutton
had got his way.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But first, there were two big new developments today in
the campaign that's been most marked first by the other
deceit of labor and the second by a general avoidance
of all the big issues facing Australia. In the final
debate on Sunday, Anthony Halbernezi was grilled about the Failed
Voice and whether.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He try to bring it back if re elected.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Remember these were the first words on his lips on
election night last.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Time, on behalf of the Australian Labor Party, I commit
to the ULARUS statement from the heart and hold.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Berry was completely committed to the full Ularou Indigenous Separatist agenda, Voice,
Treaty and truth. Yet on Sunday, under pressure, there was
a febitish story. But eventually it was extracted out of
him that the failed Voice was.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He says, gone, do you still believe.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
In it under the former government? It's gone?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No man, what's your personal viewssful? You still believe priminist?
I mean people want to know this, you still believe
in what the Voice was trying to achieve. It's just
the name that you've abandoned. You're still try and get
the objectives.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
No, that process was not successful.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Until today, the government's Senate leader, the most powerful player
in labor bar none Penig Wong, saying that the Voice
was coming back and one day would be as unquestioned
and has taken for granted his gay marriage despite being
rejected sixty forty in that referendum just eighteen months ago.
Here was Wong in a podcast that was released on Monday.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
Look, I think we'll look back on it in ten
years time and it'll be like marriage equality, don't you reckon?
Like I was just say, marriage equality, which took us
such a bloody fight to get that done, And I thought,
all this fuss, it'll become something to be like people go,
do we have an argument about that? They weren't even
like kids today or any even adults today, barely kind
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of clock that it used to be an issue.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So the Foreign Minister supremely confident that the Voice just
won't have come about within the decade, but will be
all but universally accepted, even though it's just been resoundedly rejected.
As I said, by the majority of Australians, including in
every single state. So what is the government's plan here?
Or here's the PM trying to dig himself out of
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the hole. Earlier today, asked on ABC Radio whether his
senior colleague had said an indigenous voice to part was inevitable,
the Prime Minister implausibly deny that's what she said, even
though that's absolutely what she meant.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
Here he is is Pennywong right, is the voice sort
of inevitable?
Speaker 9 (04:14):
Well she didn't say that at all, So you just
played it people will I think. I think it was
a very modest proposal, but it didn't receive the support
of the Australian people, and that is what Penny Wong
is saying. During that campaign, we were told that it
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would determine where Australia's defense basis would be, it would
make a difference to people's private property rights, it would
do extraordinary things. None of that was the case. It
was an advisory committee that was non binding about matters
that affect Indigenous Australians. It wasn't successful, but a serious question.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
PM.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
I do think the implication there is that it's inevitable
or not.
Speaker 9 (05:06):
But she didn't say that rap. She did not say that.
She spoke about how people will look back on what
the issues were. That's very different from saying it's inevitable.
She did not say that at all. And in Penny
Wong is in fact from a state in South Australia
which you'd be aware, does have a voice to Parliament
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that has elected representatives that is in place.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Semantic gymnastics from the Prime Minister and we hear this
so often from that liar in the lodge, saying one
thing yet doing another. He cannot be trusted. Now, Patty
Wong is one of the most political people in Australian
public life. Nothing she does is by accident. Nothing she
says is an accident. So here's what all of this
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was about. Soong's comment about the voice that it's coming back,
that will happen is to lock in Labour's base, try
and claw back some of those younger voters in particular
who have drifted off to the Greens. Second, and this
is why she's pushing it out now in the dying
days of this campaign. Late enough Labor hopes that it
won't get picked up too widely in the media, but
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in sufficient time that should they win, they can then
claim it as some sort of mandate. We told you
about it before the election. That's what they'll say now.
I would also argue that in the deal Labour's done
already with the Greens on preferences, a legislated voice is
already on at the table. It is a front and
center of that preference deal. See why I say this
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election matters more than any other I can recall in
my lifetime. To bring back the voice is to trash
the democratic decision you took eighteen months ago to reject
this divisive race based change to our constitution. So every
Australian who voted No needs to send them a message
in terms he can't help but understand. And that message
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is to throw him out of office on his ear.
Because you've heard me say this before for me. One's
shame on you form me twice.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Shame on me. Tell you what I am fired up
about that voice. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Labor also out there today this ongoing energy train wreck
due to the government's obsession with the renewables only electricity
grid that Labour keeps doubling down on, despite the trillion
dollar costs, despite the experience overseas. Despite the pleas today
from energy experts or the intervention of labor luminaries like
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former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, the one thing no
one in the Albanezer government wanted to talk about today
and they were pushed was the near twenty four hour
national power blackout in Spain and Portugal, Countries like US
that are aiming for a renewables only power grid and
that just have only celebrated the first full day of
one hundred percent renewable power, except that the power has
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just gone completely out, triggering a national chaos. Now most
likely it was all caused by the highly fluctuating production,
inevitable in a weather dependent renewables system. Meanwhile, some unlikely
people started to call out the damage caused by this
whole net zero crusade. In a carefully considered intervention, former
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British labor Prime Minister Tony Blair has advised his labor
colleagues to about face on net zero. His message to
the current British PM is that net zero is doomed
to fail.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Blair said it's wrong that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
People were being asked to make financial sacrifices and changes
in lifestyle when they know that their impact on global
emissions is minimal. In appointed message, he told his form
my labor colleagues that they must face up to when
I quote inconvenient facts. He accused Labour's leaders of being
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quote terrified to admit the climate policies are not working
from fear of being climate deniers. And he's being joined
by other British MPs from working class seats most damaged
by de industrialization. Here's one Graham Stringer, an MP who
holds a seat centered around the hard scrabble parts of Manchester,
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who said, and I quote net zero is helping the
Chinese economy to the detriment of the British economy. Now,
in all of that, you could just substitute Australia for Britain.
But is anyone listening here to Tony Blair or the
fifty prominent Australians including the former head of the Australian
Nuclear Science Technology Organization Anstoe that runs our medical nuclear
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reactor at Lucas Heights in the suburbs of Sydney, who
today published an open letter in all of our major papers.
It said, I We're being pushed into a reckless, multi
trillion dollar energy experiment without proper planning, honest debate or
engineering oversight. Powerful vested interests, they said, are shaping energy policy.
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Quote many energy and environmental organizations are funded by foreign investors,
foreign renewable manufacturers, and billionaire donors. Without sufficient transparency under
current policies, they said, the risk of blackouts is real
and rising. Why do renewables still require massive subsidies if
they are so cheap, they asked. We don't bulldoze the
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environment to save it, they said, We don't ignore slave
labor to meet a climate target, they said. Another signatory
form Australia of the Year, Dick Smith said, a delusion.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
It is a.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Delusion that we can run a country on renewables and batteries.
Once renewables get to around twenty percent of the system,
they start to destroy the economics of baseload twenty four
to seven power, the sort of power we need to
keep the lights on.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Once renewables get.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
To about fifty percent of the system, or they put
its stability and reliability at grave risk. Yet, Chris Bowen,
if he has returned to power, wants eighty two percent
renewables within five years. Remember what I just said. This
is the most consequential election in generations. Australia cannot afford
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a second term of labor for me once, shame on you,
for me twice, Shame on me.
Speaker 10 (11:39):
All right?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
The PM half of that speech today and canbet to
the Press Club jetted off to Perth. He's doing a
lot of travel across another Boardsdy might be worried about
those seats. Our reporter, Treaty Macintosh was there and of
course filed this report.
Speaker 11 (11:51):
Appearing at the National Press Club. The Prime Minister's sidestepped
one of the central questions in this election campaign.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Our Australint's better off now than they were before you
were elected.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I'll tell you what the.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Right answer that is, and that is that Australians would
be seven two hundred dollars worse off if Peter Dutton
had got his way.
Speaker 11 (12:15):
Medicare is at the center of the Albanese government's re
election pitch. It's also the central attack on his rival,
with repeated claims the coalition plans to slash the health system.
Speaker 12 (12:26):
Do you have to exaggerate in this campaign? Why can't
you win this election by telling the truth.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Just days ago he was saying that Medicare is not sustainable,
so you know, and when Medicare and when and when
he tried to abolish bulk billing.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
He tried.
Speaker 11 (12:43):
Faced with a decade of deficits and soaring debt. The
PM pressed on whether labor is eyeing off revenue gains
from trusts or superannuation.
Speaker 12 (12:52):
Is the caviat that anything you work on takes effect
after the next election and then breaking a promise.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
What we're doing. What we're doing is putting forward our policies.
They're out there. The costumes were put out there.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
From here.
Speaker 11 (13:07):
The Prime Minister plans to visit six states in just
three days. It's the final sprint until the polls close
on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
All right, now, the pend Dutton's campaign. He was busy
in Victoria today traveling again. They are now. Political reporter
Cam Reddin filed this report.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
Peter the opposition leader, stopping here for his fifteenth refuel
of the campaign on one last big push through Victoria,
from visiting a sea for charity in the seat of
Dunkley to yum Cha in Chisholm.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I've been working forward to this lunch and.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Dishing out early dessert in Aston.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Put the camera down, they come and have come and
have one of them.
Speaker 13 (13:44):
Come on, come on, don't be so shy.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
No visit yet though to the nearby TiAl seats of
Goldstein or coup Yong, where the former member has floated
a potential return.
Speaker 14 (14:01):
When are you coming back?
Speaker 15 (14:06):
Not in a hurry, but you never say never, but
you want to be Prime ministerday.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
I don't think ambitions are crime to.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
A comeback of a different kind. The Opposition seizing on
comments from the Foreign Minister about a potential revisit of
the Voice to Parliament.
Speaker 13 (14:21):
The Prime Minister should have heard the voice of the
Australian public when they voted No in the referendum.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Clearly they haven't, Peter, this is our ninth campaign stop
in the last three days. We're told there could be
as many as nineteen more to go on this final
few days of the campaign.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right, let's go to the PM's address today at
the Press Club the Canberra Gallery. Kid gloves were on
except for one very memorable question from our own Andrew Clenal.
First up, though, this is the inspiration for Andrew's question.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Have you finished the question?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Answer?
Speaker 16 (14:58):
It's perfectly plain. The Australian Labor Party is going out
after the financial institutions, the funded's programs and a massive
scale four thousand billion dollars of additional funding. And if
you can't under oh well that's a good bipartisan approach.
Rullship comes from the breast gallery.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Can you imagine Malcolm Fraser saying bs that word in
the middle of the day. Well, here's how Andrew put
that updated version to mister Albanezi today.
Speaker 12 (15:33):
It could be said there's been a fair amount of
bs in this campaign and also before the last election.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You know we're in like it's the middle of the
day so kids are watching.
Speaker 12 (15:44):
Was when Malcolm Fraser addressed the press club too before
the last election. You said power bills would reduce they didn't.
You said you wouldn't alter the tax cuts.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
You did.
Speaker 12 (15:52):
You said you wouldn't change souper you're trying. You said
we'd have cheaper mortgages. We don't. You said an election
night you'd commit to the Ullery statement in full. You haven't.
And you said when you're messed up you would admit fault.
Now you say Peter Dutton is seeking to americanize the
health system. He's promising to match your bulk billing funding.
Some of your ads basically say he's going to abolish
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Medicare you say he's nuclear plan will be funded by cuts?
You're renewable subsidies and rewiring the nation aren't paid for
by cuts.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
You might come out here, Andrew, and.
Speaker 12 (16:23):
My question is how why do you have to exaggerate
in this campaign? Why can't you win this election by
telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It was a crack of a question, suffice to say,
he didn't like it, and he certainly didn't answer it either.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Join him now my panel.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Send your reporter Carolyn Marcus, sending your fellow too with
the Mensies Research Center, Nick cat Well. Nick, there are
a couple of other tougher questions beside that one there
from Andrew Cleanew. But the usual sort of camera a
bubble barely ride that labor politicians get there. However, that
stopped him in his tracks. What were your key takeaways
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from today?
Speaker 17 (17:04):
It's like trying to wrestle a slippery or eel, isn't it,
and trying to get a slippery eel by the throat.
And when you see Andrew Glanell make very little progress
in trying to get the prime Prime Minister to actually
answer a question, you realize what a slippery, devious man
this is. But there's a deeper point here, Peter, and
that point is that I think the Prime Minister is
showing great disrespect to the Australian public. He's treating them
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like children. He hasn't been at any point of this
campaign to fly his many appearances. He is not once
fronted up and been honest about the great challenges this
country faces faces, particularly in economics and national security. Nor
has he, of course come up with any solutions or
serious policy for that. Instead, we've had bs, and we've
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had slogans, and we've had a bunch of electoral giveaways.
There's been nothing approaching a policy, and therefore I think
he will have no mandate when he comes to power,
which given that he will probably be governing with the
help of the Greens, who have a tremendous agenda, an
ideologically driven agenda that's very harmful for this country. I
think that puts US in a very dangerous position.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Unless Australians wake up between now and six o'clock on
Saturday night, a lot still haven't voted, and our hope
revelations in the last couple of days will wake them up.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Let's go to that scandal.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
More news today regarding volunteers from organizations linked to the
Chinese Communist Party today Labor front bench of Claire O'Neill.
She was exposed in The Australian this morning with reporting
that ALP member Chap Chaw, a self described friend of O'Neil,
arranged for the Hubei Association to recruit volunteers to staff
her polling booths on election day. Now, since this report broke,
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it's been referred to the Electoral Watchdog. For her part,
she says, nothing to see here and nothing to do
with her staff.
Speaker 18 (19:00):
Staff and my office did not make any request for
assistance from this organization. The organization offered assistance to the office,
and my team did exactly the right thing, which has
politely declined that offer of support.
Speaker 14 (19:19):
Pretty concerning, Caroline, Very concerning, especially when you consider that
this group, the hube Organization, has been accused previously of
basically being a front group for the Chinese Communist Party
and for advancing their message overseas.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And if that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Doesn't carry the stench foreign interference with it, then I
don't know what does. Now we've already seen the TLMP
monique Ryan. She's being investigated by the Australian Election Commission
over having some of this group's volunteer for her and
being caught out. And after that happened, the president of
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this group, the Hube Association, that he claimed that it
was the Minister Clara O'Neil who had contacted them, or
at least her team had contacted the group asking for
volunteers to help, and it was only after the story
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concerning Miss Ryan came out Doctor Ryan came out that
they frantically made a call to this group saying we
better cancel because obviously there's a lot of heed around
the group and we don't want to be involved in this. Now,
that's two very different version of events. The minister who
says her team was approached by the group and politely declined,
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and the group which said that no, it was the
other way around. So look, it'll be up to the
AAC to completely investigate this, but certainly not what Labour
wants at all on the eve of a federal election.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And you've got to wonder what other candidates are also
involved in this mode, Will one's like it? Nick, I've
been speaking to a lot of polsters and campaign insiders
for the last week just to get some sort of
steer on what they've got in their truck polling and
what's running at a published pole level. And also I'm
talking to people working on prepole booths because there's a
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lot of feedback coming in from you know, it's different
state by state. Obviously, it's different electric by electric, but
it's very, very interesting. There's a real surge in the
One Nation vote that's clear. Will it materialize on Saturday night, Well,
we'll see. But this puts one Nation in the box
seat and One Nation voters in the box seat because
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their preferences will be key if the race is as
tired as we predict on Saturday night. Now, normally they're
not so disciplined with preferences. If they are disciplined, if
they're as disciplined as the Greens are and funneling their
preferences back to labor, absolutely this.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Is game on. Now.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I know you've been out a number of seats this week.
What can can you report from the ground.
Speaker 17 (22:03):
Well, I can confirm that One Nation is looking very
strong at this election. I mean I was twice this
morning on a booth in Woollongong handing out how to
vote cards for Amanda in the seat of Cunningham, which
is a seat actually we're doing just brightening strongly, despite
the fact that it's always been a Labor stronghold. Twice
people came and asked me for the One Nation how
to vote card. I wasn't able to help them. But
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there's clearly a push on for one Nation and I
think the one Nation votes will be come back in
terms of preferences much more solidly for the Liberal and
National Party this time than previously. I mean they were
pretty solid last time. By the way, it was the
Palmer votes that were really flaky. The Palmer's not really
running a serious campaign this time. So I think that
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the Coalition in some seats, and it's a seat by
seat version basis here we're for hading one hundred and
fifty micro elections, as you know, Peter. Then in some
seats and important seats like where were like Whitlam, like Cunningham,
I think that we will get we will be in
better position to benefit.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
From the.
Speaker 17 (23:07):
Preference votings from the independence and minor parties than Labor
because the Green Boat is not particularly high in those electorates.
So I'm confident it'd be better, of course if people
just dispensed with that all together and just put the
liberals first in my view, but then other people have
a different opinion on that one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, And I urge people if you're on the center
right and you're listening to the ads from the Palma
Group or the Trumpet of Patriots, just understand if you
follow their how to vote card, you'll be funneling votes
back to labor. They are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Let's go Caroline to these disgusting flies that have been
sent out in the heavily Jewish Melbourne suburb of Corefield.
They are from the National Socialist Network. This is a
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neo Nazi group. It's designed to look like a liberal pamphlet,
right down to liberal logo, although the star of David
or the Israeli flag there is on the Liberal l
It's deeply disturbing.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
What can you tell.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Us, Well, I can tell you that this neo Nazi
group has been behind some of the most appalling public
displays of anti Semitism in recent months.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
They're the same group.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That were on the steps of the Victorian Parliament just
before Christmas, who I exposed while hosting your program over
that time, Peter. They were chanting white Man fight back
and Jews must go.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
And the man.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Leading that group, Joel Davis, on the day, is the
same person who's authorized these fliers and whose name appears
at the bottom of them. He was arrested at the time.
He was arrested again in January over the public display
of a Nazi symbol that some of the group were
involved in the booing of the Welcome to country at
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the Anzac Day dawn dawn service that we've been discussing
at length on the programs on Sky News. But they're
very disturbing group. And I can now show you some
footage of Joel Davis and some of the members of
that group from today at a pre poll center in
Kuyong this afternoon. This is new footage. Some of the
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group have we dressed as fake Orthodox Jews in black
hats and beards, and they're holding larger versions of these
same flyers that had been distributed to homes around the area,
and it's a very heavily Jewish area. The liberal candidate
for Kuyong, Amelia Hama, has condemned the stunt. She said,
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I am appalled by the atrocious anti Semitic material being
circulated and paraded at the q early voting Center by
the National Socialist Network, which includes a manipulated Liberal logo.
There is no place for racism in Australia. I am
proud to stand with the Jewish community and Israel and
til MP Minique Grin has also slammed this display at
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the q prepolls. She said she too was appalled.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Now the flyers, as.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You pointed out, obviously are very misleading. But they if
people don't look close enough, they might think it really
is a Liberal Party flyer which says things like giving
the Jews everything they want and has fake policies like
abolish free speech and give Jews free money. But and
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this group is even planning to register a Nazi party
with the Australian Electoral Commission, they say. But I think
what's really disturbing here is how brazen that they've become recently.
And I have previously said that they've been emboldened clearly
by the federal Labor government and the state Victorian government
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to be so bold about their public displays of anti
semitism because we haven't seen so I'll leave it crazen.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Display because I want to move on because thank you Carolyn,
I'll leave it there. I want to move on because
I will get to at the end of the show
as some commitments that Adam Band has made to Muslim
voters and that are disturbing in relation to Gaza. This
will go down to the wire in some labor held
seats with the Greens and the Muslim vote. But I'll
get to that a bit later on. Thank you both,
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Nick and Caroline. Let's turn now to those comments from
Penny Wong, who in her podcast debut, has suggested an
Indigenous voice to Parliament was inevitable or is inevitable? Never
bind the fact of course Australians voted against it sixty forty.
Wong says, Australians will one day be incredulous there was
ever an argument over the voice. Now, the guys that
advance Australia, they are quick off the mark today and
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they could not have.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Put it better.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Remember the Voice to Parliament referendum.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Australia has made the choice and voted no.
Speaker 19 (27:47):
Well, Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong want to ignore your vote,
saying that the voice is inevitable.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Look, I think we'll look back on it in ten
years time and it'll be like marriage equality, don't you reckon?
I was just say marriage equality, which took us such
a bloody fight to get that done, and I thought,
all this fuss, it'll become something to be like. People go,
do we have an argument about that? They weren't even
like the kids today or any even adults today. Barely
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kind of clock that it used to be an issue.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
What authorized by Sounderbock advanced Australia camera.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And more and more and more.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
We're going to hit social media networks in the coming hours.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Peter Dutton two. He hit back, have a listen.
Speaker 13 (28:34):
I thought the Prime Minister had heard that we said no,
and now it turns out Labor's thinking about legislating it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Look at the whole debate this week about Welcome to
Country that News dot com pole one hundred and thirty
plus thousand Australians sixty seven percent said no, No, we
want all these welcome to countries to stop. Saw how
people voted in the Voice referendum. It could not be clearer.
The vast majority of Australians do not want this divided
by race. But Labor isn't listening and As I've reported
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repeatedly in the past, Truth and Treaty are both still
funded in the federal budget. The work is continuing. Join
me now from Lon cest and former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well, Tony Abbert, I would.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Regard this as a denial of democracy.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Wouldn't you?
Speaker 15 (29:24):
Absolutely right, Peter. This is a giant two fingered salute
to the voters of Australia who resoundingly said no to
a voice. And what Penny Wong has admitted today is
you're going to get the voice anyway if we stay
in government. Now. The only language that people like Penny
Wong and Antony ALBANIZI will understand is being booted out
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because if they stay, the voice is coming regardless of
how we voted, whether we like it or not, because
that's exactly what green left governments do. They deny the
will of the public to avoid it at every turn.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You and I both have discussed this. We've never thought
the labors dropped the voice. I mean, labor don't drop
any of these sort of causes. It's a bit like
an iceberg. You only see a little tip every once
in a while, but it's there. And as I mentioned,
all the underlying work's been still done in the public service.
How though, given the election and the majority of people
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will still be voting on Saturday, how on earth do
you get this message out So the Australians who voted
no understand if they vote for Labor or the Greens
on the weekend, they get something that they opposed back
regardless of the referendum.
Speaker 15 (30:40):
Well, yes, Peter, it was only ever a tactical retreat
by the Prime Minister and by the Green Left. And
what people need to understand between now and polling day
is that if you never want to see this divisive
race based voice, you've just got to get rid of
the government. That's all, because they haven't given up. And
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if we want them to understand that no means no,
we've got to get rid of the Albanezy government that
brought all this on.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Talk to me about energy, because it's been front and
center of the campaign. If Labour's returned though under Chris Bowen,
we're going to look like Spain. They've been left in
the dark in recent days and that's in relation to
a renewables power breakdown. We've even got the former UK
Labor PM Tony Blair say that zero is a big problem.
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He says, rapidly phasing out fossil fuels or limiting energy
consumption is doomed to fail. How is it that the
rest of the world's waking up, and yet here we've
still got our head in the sand.
Speaker 15 (31:49):
Look, the biggest single disaster, master minded and brought on
by the current government is the energy train wreck, and
it's just getting worse and worse all the time. And Spain,
which has had a national twenty four hour blackout, shows
what's just around the corner if we keep going down
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this path. Tony Blair has had the decency in the
common sense to call this out, But the two people
who will never listen are Anthony Albanezi and Chris Bowen.
This is worse than economic self harm. It's almost attempted
economic suicide.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Peter.
Speaker 15 (32:33):
Now, I've been in probably a dozen or more marginal
seats over the last few weeks, and the message that
I'm getting from the general public it's not just about
cost of living. It's about the economic vandalism behind the
cost of living crisis. And there's no better illustration than
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energy policy. People understand, as Dick Smith said today, it
is a semi delusion, delusion to think that you can
run a country on solar panels and batteries. You can
run a house, but you can't run a country. And
if we keep going down this path, it won't just
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be our cost of living that goes through the roof.
We'll lose our jobs, We'll lose our industries. We'll lose
our security, our national security, not just our financial security,
because energy security is national security. This is the scale
of the unfolding disaster if we don't change the government
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on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, and I just showed very quickly.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They're an open letter that went into the newspapers today
fifty experts, so people not pushing a particular barrow. These
are experts in energy who have called out the issue
of our renewables only greed. You're in Tazzi, and I
know Tazzy's had, you know, some good and some tough
and some challenging economic times over the year is and
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you've got a lot of lovely young people behind you
who want to be able to stay in Tasmania. I
suspect you want to run a business or join an
industry and stay on the apple isle. And if we
send our industry off shore. If we end up becoming
a country of nail bars and baristas, for God's sake,
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if we don't make things in this country anymore, then
there's no opportunity for these young people.
Speaker 15 (34:29):
Completely correct, Peter. Obviously Tasmania is a wonderful place, but
you can't have a great community without a strong economy
to sustain it. And as Peter Dutton has said, electricity
is the economy.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Power is the economy.
Speaker 15 (34:47):
And if we go back to the Middle Ages relying
on the sun and the wind to provide our power,
eventually we're going to have a commensurate lifestyle, commendurate living standard.
And that's the folly of all this. I mean, China's
not doing it, India is not doing it, Russia is
(35:08):
not doing it. Now the United States is not doing it,
and yet we are still embarked on this road to
economic nowhere.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I'll leave you there.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I know you're in marginal seats and you're working right
until Lawaia. Someone think you're still still in office, Tony Abbat,
but I know you love a campaign.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Thank you for your time.
Speaker 15 (35:30):
I'm a recovering politician, Peter. I'm a recovering politician, and
this is a relapse.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I know you are, I know you, I know you
love a campaign.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Thank you, Tony. All right, after the break, I'll do
a whip.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Around to some of the candidates, the real candidates out
there on the ground, with a shot of unsetting Labor
and the teals this weekend, plus the worrying sign the
US China trade war is about to get a lot worse,
with plenty of blowback here in Australia.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Quarterbacks to the calm.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Why Labour's later tax on unrealized capital gains is just
the beginning and Adam Band's pitch for the Muslim voter
as the race gets tighter and tighter in some key
Labor seats. Crossing now to the seat of Aston in
Melbourne's e's former local mayor, deputy principal of a large
school in the area, manacur Cello is the homegrown Liberal
(36:19):
candidate vying to win back what was once a coalition
stronghold that Labor one in that surprise narrow victory in
the twenty twenty three by election. Mannie, welcome to the program.
Labor holds Aston. You've grown up there, You've lived your
whole life there. Labor holds it. By three zero point
six percent. Give me a sense of the feeling on
(36:40):
the ground in this campaign and the issues that are
being raised with you.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Well, thank you Peter for having me on your show tonight.
What I've seen at the polling booth these last few
days is people are voting for change. Crime is a
massive issue here in Aston. Just this year crime has
gone up fourteen percent.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Now, three years ago.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
Crime wasn't even an issue. But unfortunately in Victoria we
have double trouble. We have just into Alan with more
crime and Anthony Albanezi with more debt, but doing nothing
to solve our crime crisis here in Aston and in Australia.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
So it's interesting you mentioned crime.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
You mentioned just interrollen because when I talk to people,
particularly on booths in the Arter suburbs of Victoria, of Melbourne,
places where you are, Daniel Lanrew's name comes up time
and time again as people grab the how to vote
card from the Libs. They say, I've never voted Liberal,
but I remember Daniel l Andrew's and I'm voting with
you this time. Is that something you're seeing in Aston?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (37:50):
At the pre poll people were coming in and saying
it's time for change. We want to give someone else
a go. They've seen a failure from the state labor
government and also from this federal government with increasing cost
of living pressures.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
One lady came out.
Speaker 10 (38:06):
To me and showed me her expenses at the end
of the week, after paying the rent, paying for her bills, groceries,
She's got nothing left, nothing left for anything else. It's
quite a serious issue here in Aston, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Mannie, be REMISSI with me before I say goodbye to
say a shout out to your dear dad, who tells
me he's my number one fan. So all the best
for you on Saturday. But my best regards to your
mum and your dad. Thanks for your time. Let's go
out of the contest on the Northern Beaches. The seat
of war Ringer once, of course held by my former boss,
Tony Abbott, but it's been tealed territory for some time.
(38:46):
Jamie Rodgers, though she is an exceptional candidate, she's hoping
to make her mark for the Coalition in the seat
of Wringer, and she joins me, Now, hey, you are
an accomplished competitive swimmer. You're up against a formist. How
does the challenge of running for politics compare.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well.
Speaker 20 (39:05):
Peter, It's certainly been an interesting challenge and thank you
so much for having me on this evening. Well, I've
got to say, when you sit across the English Channel
and it takes twelve and a half hours to do that,
you need discipline, you need resilience, but most importantly it's
just a lot of hard work. And that's exactly what
I'm doing in this political space to win back Waringer.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I mean it when I say, and I've spoken to
a lot of people that have dealt with you, you
are an exceptional candidate. I think the Libs out there
have feelin felt a bit fulaorn in recent times. I
think they're thrilled to have you on the campaign trial.
What are the issues that people are raising with you?
Is there any sort of buyers remorse with the Teals?
Speaker 20 (39:45):
Yeah, Peter, I must say there certainly is. And that's
what we've been hearing over and over and over again,
is that they did vote for the incumbent in the
last two elections, but they are coming back to the
Liberals this time around. And it's because when you look
at when you've had in this seat for six years,
that's a long time under two different governments, and we
just don't have a lot to show for it. And
(40:07):
I guess the evidence is in things like Hansard, who's
done an analysis and shows the Zali in last parliament
only mentioned Boringa fourteen percent of the time. And I
guess that then also shows with her voting record that
she's votes with the Green seventy one percent of the time.
So Waringa's not her priority, and voters are really starting
to see that. We are seeing cost of living is
(40:28):
also an issue in Maringa, but across different ways. I mean,
childcare comes up over and over and over again, Peter.
We pay the highest childcare fees in the entire country.
On average, it's about two hundred and twenty dollars a
day to send your child to childcare. But small businesses,
you know, we've lost thirty thousand businesses under this state
labor government across the country in the past three years.
(40:48):
And we walk along Manly corso there's four lease signs
in the window when you go down Military Road in Mossman.
It's the same story there. So businesses are hurting and
families are hurting, and we're just hearing that they really
want change that that's away from the tials, but also
this state list labor government.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
All Right, we got to fight down to the wire.
Jamie Great Tavy on the program. All the best for Saturday.
All right, quick break after the break. Just how significant
was Donald Trump's impact on the Canadian election? Plus Adam
Band's pitch for the Muslim vote. Even more concessions are
promised on Gaza and the anti Morrison message written in
Chinese that's being circulated to key marginal seats. All right,
(41:31):
coming up, of course, Kel Richards in a moment. The
first there's been a dramatic drop in the number of
bookings for shipping containers from China to the United States
amidst Donald Trump's trade war. According to the tracking group Vision,
bookings plummeted some forty five percent year on year by
mid April. At the same time, here at home, of course,
we've had this warning from SMP about the nation's triple
(41:52):
A credit rating and concern too about Labour's massive spendeth
on to try and.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Buy our voters.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It comes as a coalition and claims annual GDP would
have been some two hundred and fifteen billion dollars higher
if labor ad met it's one point two percent productivity
growth assumptions. Join me now, the panel columists at the
Spectator Terry Barnes, chief economist, and seeing your fellow at
the IPA.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Adam Crichton.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Well, Gens, I'll start with you, and this is your
patch economics. I mean, if you look at that shipping data,
it is sobering.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
So at all the.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Stuff you can see out there this week in the economy,
this S and P warnings, we've got some pretty uncertain
economic times ahead.
Speaker 21 (42:30):
Well, just in terms of the shipping fall, I think
Donald Trump would probably say, well, it's working, My policy
is working. But I think the rubber is really going
to hit the road with his supporters because there will
be shortages of cheap formerly Chinese produced goods. There'll be
more inflation. So I think the stock market declines and
the volatility there you know, his his supporters can deal with,
but they don't have many shares. But this is going
to be a real test for him.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
And I mean, as for.
Speaker 21 (42:51):
The Australian figures that you mentioned, I mean it's Australia's
productivity performance has been appalling for years and it's no
surprise because you know, we keep foisting all these regulations
on the economy, net zero in particular, I mean the
cost of net zero on the economy, and.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yes, which is extraordinary.
Speaker 21 (43:06):
So even the Labor Party in the UK is now
backing away from this insanity. And the same thing is
going to happen here for sure in the next five
to ten years.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
But all the collateral.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Damage except if we run with the Greens, if you know,
Adam Bant and Anthony Albanezer and an unholy alliance come
Sunday morning, that's the nightmare.
Speaker 21 (43:24):
That's the nightmare, isn't it that basically it's a joint
government with the Greens. Let's hope that is not the case.
But look at you know, if there's any silver lining
to that is I think it will accelerate the backing
off from net zero in the long term as people
will see just how crazy it is.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Let's go to Canada.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
The best result there for the Conservative side in some
thirty seven years in terms of votes and seats.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
But they still lost.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Not only that, the guy we all admire PV he
lost his seat. Now it's tough there, it's first past
the post. There were some ninety one candidates in the race.
God forbid Terry. But I mean Trump was the third
candidate in this election.
Speaker 19 (44:02):
Oh absolutely, I mean, and I don't think he cares.
That's the thing about Donald Trump. I think he's focusing
entirely on his own agenda and didn't realize that there
was collateral damage north of the border. And he's going
to take out one Conservative leader on Monday, and there's
this possibility of okay, have a second one on Saturday,
which I think is absolutely falling. But in terms of
the election result, there's the Conservatives there.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Did very well. I mean, basically they just.
Speaker 19 (44:27):
Got over just short of the forty two percent that
the Canadian the pull Scott. But the other side of
it is that Pierre Pollier, who I think is the
best leader on the conservative side around the world at
the moment, got done in his own seat because of
those ninety one candidates and possibly because he didn't spend
enough time looking at his own seat like John Howard
(44:47):
used to do. But look, I think Donald Trump was
a huge factor. Absolutely because Mark Carney as the incoming
clean skin establishment man, I can deal with Donald Trump.
Pierre Poliev as mini Trump, he was not in parliament
a second, He's only just got into parliament, so there's
no record for him to actually worry about, and he
(45:10):
was able to claim that he was a new government.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
There was a change of government.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
He sells himself as a banker, but he's not. He's
a lot more than that. Is a climate zealot, isn't he.
Speaker 21 (45:18):
Yeah, certainly, you know, he's a hard variety alogue. I mean,
he's championed central banks to do something about climate change
for years, which is of course ridiculous. They meant to
be controlling inflation, which was not controlled very well by
the way, but yeah, they really have. You know, I
think they made a terrible mistake Canadians. I think that
they're going to regret it. You know, the Trump factory
is going to fade away, and then the other costs,
you know, the other issues will come back, housing and energy,
(45:39):
which are just as much a big issue in Canada
as they are here. So I think, you know, I
think his popularity will fall pretty quickly in coming years.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Let's talk about this anti Morrison memo written in Chinese
that's been circulated Terry. It's gone out in the seat
of Tagny in Perth. According to Google Translate, the signs
read Morrison disappointed you, Darton will only get worse supporting
how it all is to support Dutton.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
What do you make of this?
Speaker 19 (46:06):
Well, it looks like Labour's personal attacks on Peter Dutton
have gone multi lingual, haven't they. And I mean it
still comes down to the basic campaign message that Labor's
running that Peter Dutton is bad. They are good because
they can't run on their own record.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
What does it say to you though, they've been in
power three years and they can't touch their record and they.
Speaker 19 (46:25):
Have to lie, that's right, and they have to demonize
their opposition and invent as you say, they basically lie.
They have a I think lie counts up to about
eighty now.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Isn't it.
Speaker 19 (46:36):
But certainly I think that's not what boters want to see.
They actually want to see a contest of ideas. They're
not getting a contest byde is. They're getting a contest
of personal abuse. Not just think that's wrong, just.
Speaker 21 (46:48):
Very briefly so sad that we've reached a position in
this country where significant chunks of the population can't read
English use a different language.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's a powerful point.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
And if you go out to some suburbs in western
western Melbourne and Sydney. You get it in other languages,
other scripts even Hey, just just on that. Though Adam
Band has put a pitch out for the Muslim vote,
we know the seat of Will's Peter Khalil labors.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Khalil's in the fight of his life there.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
But he's basically offering a whole lot of stuff in
relation to Gaza.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
That's a worry.
Speaker 21 (47:17):
Well, it's no longer a Green party really, it's a
far left ideological party. They're far more concerned about Israel
and Gaza than they are about the environment. And I
think more and more Green supporters should you should realize
what they're actually voting for, extremely high taxation government and
it's all these kind of soft green teal supporters in
these rich seats. They're really voting for much higher taxes
on themselves.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
They're the other party of the Greens. Yes, a bet
addressed flank, aren't they terrible?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah, but it's true.
Speaker 19 (47:41):
But I think when it comes to Muslim vot's pitch,
which I think is absolutely reprehensible, I think you've got
to you've got to remember that Muslims don't vote as
a block, and they don't like the type of social
agenda that the Greens have. They would find it.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Repugnant if they are told about it.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
This is the issue if they are told about it,
and to Adam's point, not the whole community is literally
in English. So this is always a challenge. But we'll
see what we gentz. Thank you right, quick break, quick break.
Kel's on the other side of the break. The wonderful
Kel Richards joins me now from Sydney.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Kell. We're going to get straight into it tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
We're focused on our election, of course, but there's another
big one happening in Rome.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
It kicks off next week.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
VICKI wants to know why the Vatican's called the Holy Sea,
and several wants to know where the word conclave comes from.
Speaker 22 (48:34):
Okay, start with conclave comes from a Latin source word
meaning a room that could be locked from conn together
and clavis meaning key. And for centuries, the voting cardinals
were physically locked in the Systeine Chapel to each sleep
vote until they finally reached a decision. These days, they
are allowed out at night and they go and eat
and sleep at a place called Santa marta house on
(48:56):
the grounds of the Vatican, and they're only conclaved, locked
together while they're voting. Holy See. Well, the word c
came into English from a Latin word via Anglo Norman French,
and the Latin source word means seat, so it means
the throne of a bishop. Now, the connection Holy See
with the capital h capitalist applied to the papercy from
(49:16):
about fourteen hundred, but under the lateran agreement between Italy
and the Papacy it was restricted to just the Vatican
City State from nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
All right, red scent brass razo.
Speaker 22 (49:36):
Red scent American from about eighteen twenty nine. It was
a small one cent coin mainly copper, hence a bit
read hence used as an idiom for a very trivial
bit of money. Brass razu mythical never was a brass
razoo in any country, in any currency, and Australian invention
from about nineteen nineteen to say a bit of money
(49:56):
that's worth nothing whatsoever, although one souvenir shop used to
make fake coins with brass razos stamped on them to
cash in on the.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Expression all right, I've gotta leave it there. I've got
a throat at Andrew Bob, but we'll come back to
the rest of them next week. Thank you, Kel, thank
you all right.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
That's it for me.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Last Kredlin show tomorrow night before the election. Do not
miss it, although I will see you from five o'clock
on Saturday night as I'm on the panel.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
That's it. Here's Andrew
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