July 7, 2025 • 49 mins
Premier Jacinta Allan visits East Melbourne synagogue days after antisemitic attack, several rate cuts expected after this week’s RBA meeting. Plus, China pushes to include AI in broader trade relationship with Australia.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to be back
with you this week. Is what's coming up tonight on Kredline.
A shocking weekend for the Jewish community with a restaurant
barricaded and vandalized and another synagogue set a light with
worshippers inside. I'll get the reaction from Melbourne' Jewish community
as well as speak with the former AFP detective and
why the government's avoiding the terrorism word and while.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The PM was nowhere near any of this.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Today on the anti Semitic attacks comes a word that
is moving closer to China. Beijing says it wants to
trade access to artificial intelligence in this country. Anyoneder Washington's
left wondering where our allegiance is lie. Plus the latest
shocking revelation about failed CHOLP protection laws in Victoria. A
man in Horsham worked in a childcare center despite being
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under investigation for two years by police the child abuse offenses.
Over the weekend, there was yet more domestic terrorism against
Jewish Australians in this country, but yet more hand grigging
in the place of action from our government, particularly the
Victorian government led by Jacinterallen.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
On Friday night, very.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Close to my own home, there was the firebombing of
a synagogue where worshipers were trapped inside, including as I said,
young children. At the same time, elsewhere in the city,
an aggressive mob stormed a Jewish restaurant in Hardware Lane,
screaming death to the IDF and all manner.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Of other anti Semitic bile.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But then on Sunday there was yet another pro Palestinian
sort of protest, but really it was pro Hummus and
in practical terms, deeply deeply anti Semitic. Now, honestly, what
is happening to our country when decent law rebinding people
who just happened to be Jewish can't worship or dine
out without the fear of violence or mob attacks. And
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how regardless is it the police initially refused to call
out the fire bombing of a synagogue with people locked
inside and acted terrorism.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I mean, what else do they think it was?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Of course, it was designed to terrorize and probably to kill,
and that makes it terrorism under any official definition I know,
regardless of whether this upsets the sensibilities of the activist left.
Then there's the almost unbelievably soup pine response to the
Victorian Premier, to Ciner Allen. Despite the terrorism occurring on Friday,
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it wasn't until today that she finally showed up at
the synagogue.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Those horrific, hateful experience that came to the front door
of this beautiful and historic Shawl on Friday evening. The
Anti Hate task Force will be convened, working with Victoria Police,
working with the Jewish community, working with all Victorians.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
There you go, that's her response to the weekend of terrorism.
Yet another committee that she's setting up. But that's been
the problem all the way along. Too much talk, not
enough for action. We do not need another committee, We
do not need any more meetings.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We certainly don't need any more laws.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What we need right across Australia is that the existing
laws get enforced. Now, this is not just a task
force to end you hatred, I have to admit as well,
it's a wishy washy inquiry into hate in general. And
you can bet when we see the terms of reference
it will talk about rampant antisemitism, sure, but it will
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also reference almost non existent Islamophobia. Because most of our weakened,
spineless leaders have done just that since the October seven atrocities. Today,
the Premier described Sunday's pro Humas rally as quote odious
and hateful.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Well, that behavior we saw yesterday was particularly odious, hateful behavior,
particularly odious given it came only what if like moments
after the attack on the synagogue on Friday evening.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, on that she and I can agree only I'm
a TV host, she is the Premier.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Is that the best she can.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Do just just say it's odious and hateful, but do
nothing about it. This is happening under your watch. Just
in to Alan, this is not an issue of free
speech anymore. This is an issue where there's a clear
incitement to condit acts of violence and terrorism in your state,
and you've got to stop the hand ringing and act.
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And it's why the Premiere was again today pushed and
why her government refuses to put in place the same
protest permit laws as New South Wales.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
The systems for well.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Chip, I'm not going to quiver with you about it.
I don't necessarily agree with your comparison to Sydney. So
I'll go back and reiterate what I said at the outset.
We have taken a number of steps.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
This is just more duck shoving from Alane. But even
if she won't put in place what New South Wales
has done, she can at least put back in place
the move on laws that Victoria used to have before
Labor abolished them under Daniel Andrews, something that the opposition leader,
former policeman Brad Batten has again urged today.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
We want to make sure that laws are introduced so
we can protect these people going in and out of
their place of worship. We've already said in the past
that we should have and must have the move on
laws reinstated here in Victoria, and the reason we want
them reinstated is because when they were here they worked.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Now just as bad as Labours failure to act against
these hate protesters is the weak response from Victoria police
where their kid glove policing is the thug stormed the
Melbourne missed non restaurant in the CBD. Now Hardware Lane
is where this happened. It's a lane, of course, by
the very nature of its name. I go there often
and you could easily have blocked either end riot police
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and then rounded everyone up, throw them.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Into vans and arrest them all.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's not what happened. We need zero tolerance here because
Melbourne's fast becoming the setting for a new horrific pogrom
against Australian Jews. And today, in her response just into Allen,
let this slip.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So can't you kind of hear.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
On?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Minister Carbines and Minister Burke have been in constant communication
about the response to the attack on the synagogue on Friday, So.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
In that backward and fording with the journalist, she let
it slip. She and the Prime Minister have not spoken
at all about these terror events, certainly not between Friday
and today. I mean, who the heck's running this country
on the weekend if the Prime Minister doesn't pick up
the phone and call the premiere demanding and urgent briefing
after yet another Melbourne synagogue is fire bombed. And this
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is why talk is cheap for labor, and this is
why we must call it out here on Sky News
and elsewhere in the media, because we've got a Prime
Minister who only seems to work when there's a TV
camera to watch him when he thinks a learning brownie
points with the left on the weekend time off, I
mean where's the Prime Minister today? This isn't leadership, This
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is simply pathetic. I had to say it. More failure
too by government not doing the things they should be
doing to keep Australian safe.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Last week, of course, that horrific.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Story about a Melbourne childcare worker charged with seventy counts
of aggravated sexual assault, including rape, involving children as young
as five months and two years of age. Now allegedly
the man's posted images of his crimes online and some
twelve hundred children says the Victorian government now require testing
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for sexually transmitted diseases. Now you imagine for a moment
being a parent having to get a baby tested for
gonorrhea or HIV. Imagine being that parent. But what staggers
me when this story broke was the news of the
Victorian Premier and ministers were briefed about this abuse but
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kept it quiet for a week, a whole week before
the families were ultimately informed. Now I know politics, this
would have all been in about the pr spin have
a whole week to work up some sort of media
handling strategy.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You can't spin this away.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I mean, this is government failure of the worst kind.
In years past, it would have forced the immediate resignation
of officials across the board.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Not anymore these days.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
As soon as we have a massive failure of government policy,
the politician rushes out, calls a review and then ensures
that every follow up question from the media can be
smothered with a line I can't discuss it. I don't
want to preempt the review. That was what Daniel Andrews
did all the way through COVID and just into Alan
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Is his apprentice. No voter should accept this, whether it's
repeated instances of vulnerable children being sexually exploited or the
anti Semitism epidemic in this country. We need action now,
not months down the track. When a report lands on
someone's desk and the community has been dulled into submission,
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a leader with backbone would recall the Parliament immediately, and
the Premier should be asking the Opposition leader, Brad Batten.
As I've said before, a former police officer tos sit
down with her and their respective teams and agree a
set of new urgent laws to protect children. Laws at
the major party support, not the sort of rubbish that
gets diluted in the Upper House by radical fringe MPs,
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and then we as a community need to talk about
them really hard stuff. Show me any new mum or
dad who wants to leave their child, a six month
old baby, with anyone, a man in particular, but anyone.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
At a childcare center. They don't.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But as life becomes more and more unaffordable everyday, families
need two incomes to survive. And because we've built a
system that supports institutional childcare over parental care, that's what
we as a society force them to do. We have
got to wake up to what's happening here. Do you
understand that federally, as taxpayers, we spend sixteen billion dollars
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a year on a childcare system that is one.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Size fits all. We find on billions.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Into unionize childcare businesses that exist to make profits rather
than make it easy for parents to stay at home
with their little ones for at least the first couple
of years, when childcare is as much about nurturing and
parental bonding as it has anything to do with education.
When I've always said that childcare money should follow the child,
not the place where they get the care, but the child.
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So why don't we start supporting the parents pay them
money to the parents to choose the thought of care
that best supports them, don't pay it to the childcare operator.
I mean, for some parents this might mean they can
stay at home, they can afford to stay at home
for a little bit longer. For others, it might help
supplement the pension of the grandparents that look after them.
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Or it could be if you've got two or three
kids at home, that get yourself a nanny to work
in the family home. It doesn't stop parents choosing childcare
at a center if that's what they want, but critically
give parents a choice. Here's a few other difficult suggestions
that we can't walk away from. Don't you say that
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childcare centers have a duty of care to protect children,
then make the management criminally liable for abuse that takes
place on their premises. I mean, we've got industrial manslaughter
or laws for workplace deaths. In a fact, why shouldn't
childcare center owners and managers be criminally liable for the
sexual abuse that takes place under their watch. While we're
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at it, let's be honest about the sort of society
we have become and pledged to change it. The fact
that his alleged Melbourne perpetrator had passed all the working
with children checks suggests that culture is at least as
important as regulation. A society that does almost nothing about
the flood of hardcore pornography directed at our children, and
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that demands we celebrate drag Queen's storytelling and council libraries
as a sign of some sort of inclusion or saying
that we deplore the child's sex exploitation that we're seeing here, well,
that means we're already aready guilty of double standards. The
sexualization of Australian children has got to stop. And finally,
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dare I say it, stand up again for women and
girls to be safe in single sex spaces like toys
and change rooms, because I'm afraid to say that none
of this.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Happens in isolation.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Lots to cover Tonight, Busy Show will go down to
Canberra for the headlines. Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Reaching out for a fresh start, the Opposition leader convenes
members of the Chinese Australian community in Sydney.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
This is about listening and how we might better be
able to support the aspirations of your community's going forward.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Later this week, the Prime Minister will depart for Beijing
for his fourth meeting with President She.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
We cooperate with China where we can, we disagree where
we must.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
That's worked out very well for Australia in recent years.
Shouldn't we make friends with China?
Speaker 9 (13:48):
We should, but we should not do the expense of
the United States of America.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Following a string of anti Semitic incidents in Melbourne at
the weekend, including an arson attack on a synagogue, we.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Are seeing too much hate anti Semitism, but hatred against
other groups.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Julian, Lisa and I will be traveling tomorrow to the
East Melbourne Synagogue.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke did so on Saturday. The
Prime Minister has condemned the attack, but there are currently
no plans to visit himself. Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra all.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Right, plenty to get across joymy now Sky News political
reporter Cam Reddin, but Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis well, Jens.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
We'll start with Jacinta Allen.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Those shocking attacks in Melbourne, not one attack, multiple attacks,
beginning of course, at the synagogue on Friday night. She
was asked today about whether she would speak to the
Prime Minister about convening national Cabinet.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Have a listen.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
He's spoken with the things about national attagner.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Look, I know that this is the Prime Minister's highest priority.
I've spoken to him in the past about the work
that is being done, not just hearing Victoria, but across
the nation to crap down on this hate James.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I saw it flash across her face.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
As soon as she said that, she realized, Oh, hell,
I've sort of just dumped the Prime Minister in it,
because I've made the point that we have not spoken
about these recent events. She got a follow up question.
She made the admission they have not spoken. She talked
about the minister's talking. But I tell you what you know,
this is the second fire bombing of a synagogue in Melbourne.
This is completely un Australian. We saw this happen around
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the whole issue of the Dural caravan, where there was
no communication between the PM and the Premiere.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I find this staggering.
Speaker 10 (15:37):
Well, there's a couple of issues here, Peter.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
In the first one, as you've just outlined, is the
fact that I think in the real world, we would
assume that when something like this happens, and we see
these scenes and we read the detail of what has
occurred in Australia, you would have a basic conversation between
the Prime Minister and the Premier or the leader of
that state or territory. Now would have thought that was
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assumed knowledge. The fact that that hasn't happened is just
astonishing to me. Now, there's a separate issue about the
fact that the AFP and often state police often do
their own investigations and sometimes that doesn't lead to the
best possible results, and we had that happen with the
caravan situation. It does happen with the AFP and state enforcements.
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But the wider issue is the Prime minister. I think
in his first term of government, Peter was able to
sort of duck and weave and do as very little
as possible and then you know, try and just get
as much done, but then really didn't want to get
stuck into the details. When something like this happens, it
should be all hands on deck and the fact that
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these things are occurring in Australia to me is horrific.
Anyone that has been playing down this problem of anti
Semitism needs to have their head read and the scenes
at the weekend, including the protests, are just shocking. So look,
I don't know what the PM's doing at the moment,
but he's not doing enough.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
We'll come back to this issue.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I'm going to speak to a Melbourne Jewish community leader
but also a former detective in the AFP. I am
concerned it's not yet been labeled terrorism when plainly I
think it is terrorism.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But we'll come back to that in a moment.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I want to go to a speech the Prime Minister
gave on Saturday night. This is a John Curtain a
ration and it included a not so subtle jab at
the United States, cam let's have a listen now.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
Our alliance with the US ought to be remembered as
a product of Curtain's leadership in defense and foreign policy,
not the extent of it. Because Curtin's famous statement that
Australia looked to America was much more than the idea
of trading one strategic guaranteur for another, or swapping an
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alliance with the old world for one with the new.
Speaker 10 (17:52):
It was a.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
Recognition that Australia's fate would be decided in our region.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
When I was still having each who is with Tariff's
President Trump was making the point today, if you haven't
got a deal, you're unlikely to get a deal. That
of course means Australia. But we also know OURPM will
shortly meet with President g And what concerns me here
that China is demanding access in a trade sense to
Australia's artificial intelligence technologies. Now, I'll tell you what if
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we don't want them in our embedded networks like a telephony,
and we don't want them in our energy networks, I
don't think we want them in our AI either.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
I might note Peter, that could potentially be more of
an offer rather than looking to get what they can
out of us. I mean, China is leaps and bounds
ahead of Australia when it comes to developing artificial technologies.
We've seen this sort of race between the two big
companies in the world. You've got ten Cents in China
and also the chat GBT crew in the United States.
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So potentially that is more of a carrot dangling than
anything an offer for Australia to get more involved in
some of the programs that are being developed in China.
That will certainly be on the table when the Prime
Minister meets with President She later in the week. It
is quite staggering really to note how much things have
changed in these nine months, Peter. At the end of
last year, remember, China still had trade sanctions on Australia.
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There were a couple of beef producers, and lobster was
still in effect as well. They've since been removed, and
by the time the two leaders meet at the end
of the week, it'll be the United States hitting both
US and China with tariffs of their own. That is,
of course, well that's hitting everybody. And there's even one
school of thought, Peter, that a small silver lining to
the United States embarking on this tariff policy is that
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it could see Australian markets boom, with not just China
but others looking to do a lot more business with Australia.
But of course it changes by the week, and there
is obviously that overwhelming concern about what a US China
trade war could mean for not just Australia but the
global economy as well.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, you are generally the upside guy and I'm the
downside girl when it comes to China and technology, because
I tell you what camp I've been to China ten
or so times every single time I've taken in a
burner phone. I will never take in any technology into
China because I'll never know what comes out with it,
So I would not be doing any partnership deal with China.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
And Ai.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
James just quickly bad polls for the Libs in Victoria.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I mean, clearly Victorians want to change the government. That's
what these polls today say.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Labors on the nose, but they haven't come across to
the Liberals, although in one of the polls the opposition
leader is the preferred at preferred premier. Now we saw
with the case of Peter Dutton, he was ahead for
many many months in the polls but didn't get their
labor instead wins at a landslide. But to tell you what,
lives have got to stop fighting amongst themselves and get
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their act together.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Well, there's no doubt about that, and it's happening at
federal level and also state level. Peter and I don't
think this is a case of labor being the better side.
If you use a sporting analogy that they're a mile
in front on the scoreboard.
Speaker 10 (21:05):
The Libs are just such a rabble.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Internally in some parts, particularly in New South Wales and federally,
when they're arguing about quotas, and there's been this big
push to have a quota brought in where there'd be
a certain number of female members.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Now that's being pushed by a couple of people.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
I would know that the petition that is driving that
has five hundred and thirty signatures in favor of a
Liberal Party quota, which doesn't even when you were booth
in a federal seat. So I'm not convinced that the
average person is convinced that is the answer. They just
got to get back to basics, get their policies over
the line. We know about more redeeming and Victoria and
how bad that's been for the Libs, but it's certainly
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not a case of the Labor Party being the better
side at this point in time.
Speaker 10 (21:46):
The Libs just need.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
A coach, a good halfback, good five eighth then they
can get over the line. But yeah, if they get
their act together, it's gay mine. But they've got a
long way to go.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You're kind again to what almost they need a whole
new football team. But we will leave it there, gents,
Good to see you. Let's crossing out them all well
in Victoria, where skyn Is reported Georgie Dickerson is there.
She's been doing the hard yads for us in the courtroom.
Today we've only got a verdict. Aaron Patterson found guilty
of triple murder.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I can't saig.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I'm the only one watching this unfold for the last
couple of months. Georgie, I was staggered it took a
jury into the second week to find her guilty.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But here we are. Take us through today's verdict. Good,
I mean to you, Peter.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
Yes, six and a half days is what these jurors
did deliberate for. And while it might seem like a
quite a long time, they did have so much evidence
to sift through, which could have been a reason for
why it did take that extended a few days that
we kind of were expecting from these jurors. Fifty three
witnesses is what we heard over these past ten weeks
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in the trial now entering its eleventh week. But today
I was sat in the courtroom when the verdict was
ultimately handed down to Erin Patterson. She was sitting only
a few meters away from me, and I was watching
her as the jurors said guilty or not guilty to
those four different counts, And each count she was found
guilty of guilty of the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson,
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guilty of the murder of Heather Wilkinson, and guilty of
the murder of Don and Gail Pattison. And each time
is that guilty verdict was read out. She sat quite
emotionless in the dock. She was sat next to two
court officers and she was blinking a little bit, and
that was really the only movement from her face. She
didn't show any exmotion, No expression really changed on her
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face as it was handed down. The only real emotion
from the courtroom was one of her supporters sat in
the front row that was visibly upset as that verdict.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Was handed down.
Speaker 12 (23:46):
And she did speak briefly as she exited court. And
after the verdict was handed down, we were all told
to exit the room so that the defense could have
a minute with Aaron Patterson after finding out that she
was now guilty of those four charges.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Peter just quickly Georgie, any word whether there's likely to
be at an appeal here.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
We're still waiting to hear that.
Speaker 12 (24:09):
We did try to ask defense barrister Colin bent Mandy
as he did exit court, but he didn't say anything
to the media. There is a brief court mentioned that
is scheduled for tomorrow and in the coming weeks we
are likely to find out a few more dates and
also the sentencing dates. We will find out around a
month's time if there is an appeal, and after that
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likely to find out how long Aaron Patterson will spend
behind bars.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
All right, thank you, Georgie.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
All right, after the break that horror weekend for Melbourne'
Jewish community. But it's not just Melbourn's Jewish community, it's
any Victoria, any Australian who stands in solidarity with them,
and I think that is the majority. Plus we'll speak
with a former AFP detective. I want to break down
why it's taking so long for authorities to label this
is terrorism.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Still to count the catastrophic failures in Victoria's child protection
system that has allowed multiple sex offenders, including alleged sex offenders,
to slip through the cracks. Let's turn to what has
been a horror weekend yet again for Australia's Jewish community,
particularly those who live in Melbourne. There was the attempted
fire bombing of an East Melbourne synagogue full of worshipers,
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including young children.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
This is on Friday.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Nina Man, of course, has been charged there. At the
same time, an Israeli linked restaurant in the CBD was
barricaded and vandalized by a large angry mob. Now on
top of all of that, please have released CCC footage
of an arson attack on a business that's previously been
targeted by pro Palestinian protesters. Join me now to discuss this.
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Joel Bernie from the Australia Israel Jewishffairs Council.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Joe, welcome a long for.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The day when we get a Jewish community spokesperson on
to speak about all the good things the Jewish communities
doing in this country and not the horrors being visited
upon them, I have to ask you, I mean, how
is your community feeling after yet another terrible weekend in Melbourne.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Well, welcome back, Peter, and thank you for having me on.
As you alluded to, you know, I would like to
be here under different circumstances, but here I am, twenty
two months after the greatest loss of life since the
Holocaust in a bloody massacre of great pillage and murder
that occurred on the seventh of October. As soon as
the news spread across to Australia on that fateful day,
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we had vicious protests in the streets of Sydney and Melbourne.
Speaker 13 (26:36):
We all remember the issues on the steps and the
scenes on the steps of the Opera House. And since then.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
There has been a sustained campaign against the very proud
community that is given all that it is given to
this great country of ours, and recognizes and identify themselves
as great and proud Australians, but have been under intense
steege and barrage from elements within our own society, ripping
the fabrics of Australian social cohesion. And still to this day,
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after synagogues have burned, after child centers have been burnt down,
and targeted instessant graffiti everywhere, including targeting of children. The
question that we have in our community is when this
is going to stop. There has to be an endpoint
where the authorities in the government take it upon themselves.
Instead of listing all the things that they've done and
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that they've tried to do, it's obviously not working, so
get to work on finding out the solution to the
problem and fix it quickly. And before what we've all
predicted that blood is built when someone dies, it is
just by him, miracle Peter, that no one has been
killed in these attacks. But is that what it's going.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
To take for the government to actually do something about it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Look, I think we're all frustrated with I think we're
all sick of the words. We're sick of you task
forces and reviews and committees. It's a lot of talk,
not a lot of action. And well, if you know
your history, you know that burning synagogues with people inside
is a feature of the historical hate against Jews. We
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know Crystal or marked when windows were smashed of Jewish businesses.
That preceded the worst atrocities that humanity has ever visited
upon other human beings in the Holocaust.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So we've got all the lessons.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
From history, but we're absolutely not watching and learning and
picking up on those lessons of history. I mean, I
don't know about you, but another talk fest, another task force.
I mean, how do you feel about that response today
from the Victorian premier.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Well, nothing is more jarring to the ears of a
Jewish person in this country than to hear a political
leader or a leader say there.
Speaker 13 (28:49):
Is no place for anti Semitism in this country.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
This is a formulated construct of artificial words with poor
syntacs that are essentially meaningless to the people that are
been under consistent siege for the past.
Speaker 13 (29:02):
Twenty one to twenty two months.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
So the idea of now, I think, is the fifth
pass force that they.
Speaker 13 (29:08):
Have decided to put into operation.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Now, listening to the other parts of the Premier's press
conference today, we have antibilification laws that were passing the
Victorian government, but seemingly the police haven't put them into
operation yet.
Speaker 13 (29:21):
We have promised legislation that is still.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Apparently being drafted after the Addas Synagogue burnt down in
December last year, that would make it illegal for the
face mask to be there and make it tougher and
increase move on laws from the police. That's still in
draft form. And then we're told by the Premier that
will introduce it in the next session. Well, why was
it an introduced in the last sex session? When is
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the immediacy of this matter going to come to the fore? Now,
I'll add on to your crystal enough analogy, Peter, this
community of Australia, most specifically, Melbourne has the largest percentage
of Holocaust survivors outside of Israel living here in this
great city of ours, and they have to bear witness.
Those that are still surviving, have to bear witness to
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the horrors that they remember back in Europe in the
nineteen thirties. This is how bad it has come that
you've got the President, Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of
Israel calling out the behavior of the Australian government, pleading
with them to do more to protect the great citizens
Jewish citizens of this country. And still to this day
we still find ourselves in this position. A question to
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the Premier today, why does Victoria not implement a permit
system like in New South Wales. Somehow that that is
going to infringe on free speech and somehow the Propalacitian
movement has become the best is a free speech in
this country. This country has gone crazy, it's gone loopy,
and unfortunately the victims of it are the Jewish community.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Keep pushing, Joe, We'll keep pushing. I know there are
so many Australians who had this to their back teeth.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
They're sick of the inaction.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
They're calling on the governments toe and we've got to
keep this up. We can not let this take route
in our country. Thank you for your time. Let's stay
with this, but let's move to the policing aspect, because
there's a lot here that worries me. Joining me in our
former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig, I want
to start with that fire at the East Melbourne Synagogue.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
What concerns me?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes, counter Terrorism Police have charged an individual from New
South Wales, Angelo Lorris, but they put out a statement
they said they will continue to examine the intent and
ideology the person charged to determine if the incident is
in fact terrorism. Well, I don't know when I worked
in the government. If it looks and smells and walks
like terrorism, it's terrorism. What's the problem here with the definition, David.
Speaker 14 (31:46):
Hid hi everybody, But yeah, the problem with the definition
is that it needs to have a political, religious, or
ideologically based votive.
Speaker 13 (31:54):
So the acts themselves are setting.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Fire to the front door of the boss may not actually.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, of a synagogue, of a synagogue, of a synagogue.
Speaker 14 (32:04):
Sorry sorry on a synagogue might say sorry, yeah. The
attack of the synagogue.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
The fact that it was set thigh to that's criminal,
no doubt. But unless sleep to a political.
Speaker 14 (32:15):
Religious, or ideologically based motive, then it's simply not going
to be attended terrorism. But my concern is that these
sorts of events should be treated as terrorism until proven otherwise.
We saw him March earlier this year when there were
threats to a mosque in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It was treated as a terrorism act immediately, this was
threats online and then it would later on identify the
people that it's not motivated that way, it was downgraded.
Why aren't we doing this now with mosques, with synagogues
and with attacks on the Jewish community.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I was going to make that very point that in
the case elsewhere where it is attacks on mosques, it
starts off as terrorism until it's not terrorism. Unfortunately, if
it's a sigogue, it never starts as terrorism. You have
to go out of your way to prove an evidentiary
burden and when it's reported then in a week's time
that this was an event of terror, as we stood
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with the Adas Synagogue in Melbourne a little earlier I
think was the end of last year. Of course, doesn't
get reported the new cycle has moved on. Talk to
me about this individual because years from Sydney. He's from
a Sydney suburb in western Sydney. Of tune, Gabby, this
is not a Melbourne person. So are we seeing cross
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border activity here? Are we getting things in a coordinated way?
I mean you just heard Joel Bernie say Melbourne hosts
the most Holocaust survivors outside of Israel. Is Melbourne being
targeted by elements into state because of its large Jewish community?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's a very interesting question.
Speaker 14 (33:55):
For years there has been politically motivated people traveling in
to state to attend protests or detention center rights for
South Australia, different states, etc. My concern is that perhaps
Victoria is now becoming the state of choice or terrorism
and terrorist acts and hate crimes in Australia because of
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their lasadaisical, less in uniform and soft approach to these effects.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Just quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I mean Victoria doesn't have a permit system like we
have in.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And Victoria used to have move on powers police. They
were repealed in twenty fifteen by Daniel and Andrews. Everyone
screaming to put them back in. Is this the sort
of practical policing tools that vic Pole needs.
Speaker 15 (34:46):
Of course, without this, there is no way to administer
any sort of form of fight against public fear by
any group of individuals. If I was going to commit
some sort of form of public intimidation or try and
threaten a.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
Particular group, what do with Victoria? Because you can get
away with that at the mont.
Speaker 15 (35:03):
And That's what I'm trying to excite any And I'm
just saying how a nepts the government are at the
moment in Victoria.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Ill over there, David Craig, thank you. I asked the
break what are we not doing to protect our children?
And we'll talk to an MP who has solutions. But
once Parliament immediately recalled. Welcome back now to the ongoing
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investigation into the harrowing allegations of abuse at a childcare
center in Victoria. Alleged childcare monster, twenty six year old
Joshua Dale Brown has now been charged with more than
seventy offenses, including rape, and this involves young infants and babies.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
He's now been moved.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
To the high security bar in prison, where it's been
held in protective custody away from other inmates. Beyond these
immediates of any charges. It's fear that more than twelve
one hundred children might have been put at risk, given
Brown worked at a number of childea centers in Victoria
across a number of years.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Understandably, parents have been sickened by what they've been told
and have been forced to take their babies and young
children into hospitals to now be tested for sexually transmitting diseases.
Across the country, decent Australians are asking themselves how on
earth could this be allowed to happen. Yet on the weekend,
more revelations as we learn that accused sex offenders have
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been allowed to continue working with children even while under
police investigation. In one case in Horsham, a man there
Ron Mark's last week convicted and sentenced for accessing almost
one thousand images of child abuse material, including best reality
and torture imagery. Well, he was allowed to keep working
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out a childcare center in Horsham and teaching little children
about indigenous culture, despite the fact that police had raided
his home two years earlier. These are nine isolated examples.
They point to nothing short of the catastrophic failure of
Victoria's child protection laws. He to discuss what it's must
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be done immediately to protect the most vulnerable. Is Victoria's
Shadow Education Minister Jess Wilson, Well, I have to say
which I was talking to you about lighter topics. I
think people across the country are shocked. I think Victorians
are asking themselves if laws must be changed. Jess, why
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isn't the parliament sitting today.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
It's a great question, Peter. And what we know is
that we can change it now.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
We know what needs to be changed.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
We saw the case on the weekend of Ron Marx
who was convicted and pled guilty for possession of child
abuse material. Now he had a valid working with Children's
Check and visited childcare center after the police started their
investigation after they raided his home and found that material.
The system is clearly broken. Look at what happened last
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week in Point Cook and that's centers right across Melbourne's West.
The devastating news for those family. My heart breaks for
those families, those twelve hundred kids that are now going
testing for a sexually transmitted disease. We know what needs
to be done now and the Premier needs to recall
parliament so we can fix it and children are safe
in childcare.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So what is failing Victorians?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Is it just the checking system for those who work
in childcare centers.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
No, the working with children's check is part of it,
that's for sure. We need to make sure that that
looks backwards and make sure that we're picking up any
red flags and we're looking at if there have been
issues in the past. And in twenty twenty two, the
Victorian Ombudsman said the current system isn't fit for purpose.
It only picks up certain things charges and convictions. And
what we see on the weekend is that loophole that
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floor that an investigation was underway when it comes to
child sexual abuse material. So we need to expand that
and that's what the Ombudsman recommended in twenty twenty two.
And yet the Allen Labour government failed to actually take
on that reform and put it through the parliament. We
actually need to recall the parliament now to do that.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I write on the weekend, Given your leader Brad Batten's
experience as a police officer, why wouldn't the Premiere pull
the opposition into her office and say okay, we're to
work together and fix this. We can't tolerate anything else.
What can we do quickly together as the two major
parties in this state to protect children.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Why hasn't that happened?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
And this should triscend politics. This shouldn't be about politics.
It's bigger than that. It's more important than that. This
is about the safety of our children. And Brad and
I we wrote to the Premier and the Minister for
Children on early last week to say we want to
work together. We will stand ready to do anything we
need to do to pass through the parliament. Bring us
into this review, make sure we are part of it
so we can pass anything quickly. But there are things
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we can do now. We don't need to wait for
a review. We've had review after review.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
We're just done that.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I mean, the review was a tactic used by this
labor government. Daniel andrews pineered it. She has followed up
with it. It means that whenever the media now pursues
her at a press conference and asks about this issue,
what are you doing? When's the parliament going to sit,
she says, I can't discuss this. It's all now before
a review. That's the problem with a review.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Well, all it's fine to have the review.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
We're happy for that.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Process to play out and if recommendations come out of that,
we will support those. But we know what we can
do now.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
And just on that. You've got a petition.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
How can my viewers tonight support you to get the
parliament back there this week?
Speaker 5 (40:21):
So we've already had thousands of Victorian families sign this
petition www. Dot Childsafetymatters, dot com dot au. Jump online
and tell the premiere you want to see the parliament recalled.
You want to put child safety first, you want to
put it before politics. Let's fix the safety system now.
We'll let the review play out. We'll implement those recommendations
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as they come to the fore. But right now, let's
do what we can. Let's recall the parliament and put
child safety first.
Speaker 13 (40:47):
All right.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I have to talk to you tonight about what's happened
in Victoria over the weekend. Melbourne in particular, another synagogue
was firebond on Friday night. This can't be tolerated in Victoria.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
It can't be tolerated in Victoria. But I think the
time for words has passed. I think we actually need
to see action now. We hear the phrase anti Semitism
has no place in Australia or Victoria all too often
it's true, but let's actually do something about it. I
visited the East Melbourne Synagogue after the attempted fire bombing
on Saturday morning, and I could see the pain and
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suffering of our Jewish community. It's enough, it's enough, and
now we've got the premiere pulling together another task force, another.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
First to my point, just though that this is all
a smoke screen for action.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
This is a government that is more interested in managing
the fallout of issues than actually dealing with it and
putting in place the changes or the reforms that will.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Ensure it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
And for all too long, we've heard from Justint to Allen,
We've heard from Ben Carroll and the leadership of the
Labor Party that this is allful, it shouldn't occur. These
people should be brought to justice.
Speaker 10 (41:52):
We'll do something about it.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
We have put forward time and time again, move on
laws in this state giving Victoria police the power to
actually step in before these protests become violent, before what
happens at the restaurant on Friday night. We need those
powers to be given to Victoria police. Victoria police have
been asking for those powers, but Unfortunately the Allen Labor
government once again is refusing to do what actually needs
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to be done to keep Victorian safe.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, if you get the parliament back this week, they
can be on the table as well.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Let be done. Jess Wilson, thank you, Thanks Peter. There
you go.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
All the details about that petition to recall the Victorian
Parliament have ba blah blind Sky News's website, but also
on my social media as well. Coming up critical smelters
at risk of being shut down, unions leading the call
for change here, Let's go to embarrassed Chris Bowen, isn't
it And it's time now for childcare to help families
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rather than laboured union mates. Up next, Welcome back. Earlier
in the program, I showed you the vision an event
held by Muslims in Melbourne today which I was told
was in response to those events at the synagogue where
these people pass by today and also that is Raelian
linked restaurant on Friday. Now, I'd like to clarify this
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was in fact a pre planned religious procession held every
year by Muslims to mark a festival of asurer. Let's
bring in my panel for a whole lot of other
issues now, One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and
Liberal MP for Monash Mary Aldred.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
I want to start with childcare.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You will have just turned my interview with Victorian Education
Shadow minister. There's a petition now to urge the Victorian
Premier to bring back the parliament and pass all the
laws needed to protect Victorian children. You can drive a
truck through the protection regime in Victoria. But I made
the point on the weekend and I made it again tonight.
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Victorian or sorry, Australian taxpayer spend sixteen billion dollars a
year for childcare, but it's a one size fits or model.
Your kid must go into unionized childcare or there's no support.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Mary. I've said this for years and years.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I think the money's got to follow the child, not
where the care is provided. And this is an ample
opportunity for the Libs to step up and have a
policy difference with labor and fix this in the interests
of families.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (44:16):
Absolutely, Peter, I mean it's horrific. My heart goes out
and my first thoughts are with the families impacted, obviously,
and Jess Wilson just spoke so well to what needs
to be done to fix this issue. I am just
horrified to see that. Debrah Glass cy Onbardsman called out
systemic failures back in twenty twenty two that weren't addressed
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again in twenty twenty four. I'll come from a regional area.
Childcare and access to childcare has its own set of
challenges here. But I think you've got a long track record, Peter,
speaking very eloquently on this issue, and I support what
you've just said.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Let's go to the issue more broadly. I mean you're
talking about one man in Victoria now that will be
before the courts, possibly something like twelve hundred young kids affected.
We had another case in Horsham where a man's being
investigated for a two year period about child sex offenses
but still able to access childcare centers during that period
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of time. He has since been convicted of these crimes.
And we had a police officer today, a former police
officer today on Sky News having this to say, have listen.
Speaker 16 (45:26):
You know, males in child care might feel themselves branded,
but you're saying goes beyond that, and maybe they're just
this goes to protecting.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
As you say, I'm ast vulnerable.
Speaker 17 (45:35):
Well, this is going to be one of those issues
that's going to be collateral damage, you know. And it
might be ideological, it might be whatever. I don't care.
At the end of the day, it's about protecting our kids,
protecting the next generation, and we don't want these kids
messed up by these filthy animals.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
James, you had that issue obviously in Brisbane too, or
in Queensland, similar to the Melbourne example from last week.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
You've got to have the debate in the community.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Do we want men in childcare centers looking after young children.
It's tough to say, It is tough to say, but
that's a question we've got to ask ourselves.
Speaker 18 (46:14):
Well, it's the debate that's happening around the dining room table.
We had it last night with my own family. We
all had a roast dinner and the whole family came over,
one of which is my niece who works in childcare.
My dad's worked in the education system as a cleaner
for the last fifteen on years. And the trouble is,
if you go throwing out men in childcare centers, where
does it end. We want to get rid of these
sick bastards. Don't get me wrong, they've got to go.
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But we've got to get more serious about these blue
card systems. We've got the blue card here in Queensland.
I know that there is no universal system across the country.
This is where we've got to lead from a federal
point of view. I saw David Christophiley making those remarks
today as well. By all means, we've got to have
a look at what it is that we're failing on.
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If it means restricting men's workload within an early childcare center,
so be it. If it means more cameras, so be it.
Federal government should stump up for those sorts of costs.
We find the money to go and put these CCTV
cameras in and around communities to keep people safe. I
want to keep every child safe when they're in those
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early childhood centers. So it's got to be a whole
government approach. You know, you can go and recall Parliament
in Victoria, but the only partly protects Victorian kids. I
want all kids Queensland, every state, Victorian, New South Wales,
the whole country protected. And I think there's plenty of
people at home that would have already had this discussion
and they would agree. Something's got to change, but not
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banning all men from early education.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
I think there's a place absolutely for men and male
role models in school settings. I'm not convinced that men
looking after babies under the age of two when we've
got this outbreak of issues is where families want care
to be provided.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's got to go to the family. Mouney's got to
go to the family. Just quickly.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Unions are calling for some support for smelters. This will
make Chris Bowen pretty unhappy.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Mary.
Speaker 16 (48:10):
Yes, it's a bit of a competition on is Australia's
worst energy minister, the Victorian or the federal minister. I'm
a Victorian. We've got an aluminium smelter in Portland, on
the other side of Victoria to where I am. But
we've got a transmission line that runs from Loyang, a
power station in the Latrobe Valley to power that aluminium smelter.
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There is always the argument that's gone for years gone
by about the value back to taxpayers. But I'll tell
you what, taking that aluminium smelter out of our state.
You only need to look at the Social Security Bill.
We've had successive labor governments at a state and federal
level that have done terrible damage from the timber industry
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to power jobs in regional areas. So it's really important
that we do everything that we can to make sure
we've got a strong sustainable future for those aluminium smellss
across Australia.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Great to have you both of the program.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
My apologies of run out of time, but we'll get
back into it next week. Up next to Dineka to
Giorgio filling in for Angiboldt.
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to be back
with you this week. Is what's coming up tonight on Kredline.
A shocking weekend for the Jewish community with a restaurant
barricaded and vandalized and another synagogue set a light with
worshippers inside. I'll get the reaction from Melbourne' Jewish community
as well as speak with the former AFP detective and
why the government's avoiding the terrorism word and while.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The PM was nowhere near any of this.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Today on the anti Semitic attacks comes a word that
is moving closer to China. Beijing says it wants to
trade access to artificial intelligence in this country. Anyoneder Washington's
left wondering where our allegiance is lie. Plus the latest
shocking revelation about failed CHOLP protection laws in Victoria. A
man in Horsham worked in a childcare center despite being
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under investigation for two years by police the child abuse offenses.
Over the weekend, there was yet more domestic terrorism against
Jewish Australians in this country, but yet more hand grigging
in the place of action from our government, particularly the
Victorian government led by Jacinterallen.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
On Friday night, very.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Close to my own home, there was the firebombing of
a synagogue where worshipers were trapped inside, including as I said,
young children. At the same time, elsewhere in the city,
an aggressive mob stormed a Jewish restaurant in Hardware Lane,
screaming death to the IDF and all manner.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Of other anti Semitic bile.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But then on Sunday there was yet another pro Palestinian
sort of protest, but really it was pro Hummus and
in practical terms, deeply deeply anti Semitic. Now, honestly, what
is happening to our country when decent law rebinding people
who just happened to be Jewish can't worship or dine
out without the fear of violence or mob attacks. And
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how regardless is it the police initially refused to call
out the fire bombing of a synagogue with people locked
inside and acted terrorism.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I mean, what else do they think it was?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Of course, it was designed to terrorize and probably to kill,
and that makes it terrorism under any official definition I know,
regardless of whether this upsets the sensibilities of the activist left.
Then there's the almost unbelievably soup pine response to the
Victorian Premier, to Ciner Allen. Despite the terrorism occurring on Friday,
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it wasn't until today that she finally showed up at
the synagogue.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Those horrific, hateful experience that came to the front door
of this beautiful and historic Shawl on Friday evening. The
Anti Hate task Force will be convened, working with Victoria Police,
working with the Jewish community, working with all Victorians.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
There you go, that's her response to the weekend of terrorism.
Yet another committee that she's setting up. But that's been
the problem all the way along. Too much talk, not
enough for action. We do not need another committee, We
do not need any more meetings.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We certainly don't need any more laws.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What we need right across Australia is that the existing
laws get enforced. Now, this is not just a task
force to end you hatred, I have to admit as well,
it's a wishy washy inquiry into hate in general. And
you can bet when we see the terms of reference
it will talk about rampant antisemitism, sure, but it will
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also reference almost non existent Islamophobia. Because most of our weakened,
spineless leaders have done just that since the October seven atrocities. Today,
the Premier described Sunday's pro Humas rally as quote odious
and hateful.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Well, that behavior we saw yesterday was particularly odious, hateful behavior,
particularly odious given it came only what if like moments
after the attack on the synagogue on Friday evening.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, on that she and I can agree only I'm
a TV host, she is the Premier.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Is that the best she can.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Do just just say it's odious and hateful, but do
nothing about it. This is happening under your watch. Just
in to Alan, this is not an issue of free
speech anymore. This is an issue where there's a clear
incitement to condit acts of violence and terrorism in your state,
and you've got to stop the hand ringing and act.
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And it's why the Premiere was again today pushed and
why her government refuses to put in place the same
protest permit laws as New South Wales.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
The systems for well.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Chip, I'm not going to quiver with you about it.
I don't necessarily agree with your comparison to Sydney. So
I'll go back and reiterate what I said at the outset.
We have taken a number of steps.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
This is just more duck shoving from Alane. But even
if she won't put in place what New South Wales
has done, she can at least put back in place
the move on laws that Victoria used to have before
Labor abolished them under Daniel Andrews, something that the opposition leader,
former policeman Brad Batten has again urged today.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
We want to make sure that laws are introduced so
we can protect these people going in and out of
their place of worship. We've already said in the past
that we should have and must have the move on
laws reinstated here in Victoria, and the reason we want
them reinstated is because when they were here they worked.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Now just as bad as Labours failure to act against
these hate protesters is the weak response from Victoria police
where their kid glove policing is the thug stormed the
Melbourne missed non restaurant in the CBD. Now Hardware Lane
is where this happened. It's a lane, of course, by
the very nature of its name. I go there often
and you could easily have blocked either end riot police
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and then rounded everyone up, throw them.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Into vans and arrest them all.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's not what happened. We need zero tolerance here because
Melbourne's fast becoming the setting for a new horrific pogrom
against Australian Jews. And today, in her response just into Allen,
let this slip.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So can't you kind of hear.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
On?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Minister Carbines and Minister Burke have been in constant communication
about the response to the attack on the synagogue on Friday, So.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
In that backward and fording with the journalist, she let
it slip. She and the Prime Minister have not spoken
at all about these terror events, certainly not between Friday
and today. I mean, who the heck's running this country
on the weekend if the Prime Minister doesn't pick up
the phone and call the premiere demanding and urgent briefing
after yet another Melbourne synagogue is fire bombed. And this
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is why talk is cheap for labor, and this is
why we must call it out here on Sky News
and elsewhere in the media, because we've got a Prime
Minister who only seems to work when there's a TV
camera to watch him when he thinks a learning brownie
points with the left on the weekend time off, I
mean where's the Prime Minister today? This isn't leadership, This
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is simply pathetic. I had to say it. More failure
too by government not doing the things they should be
doing to keep Australian safe.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Last week, of course, that horrific.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Story about a Melbourne childcare worker charged with seventy counts
of aggravated sexual assault, including rape, involving children as young
as five months and two years of age. Now allegedly
the man's posted images of his crimes online and some
twelve hundred children says the Victorian government now require testing
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for sexually transmitted diseases. Now you imagine for a moment
being a parent having to get a baby tested for
gonorrhea or HIV. Imagine being that parent. But what staggers
me when this story broke was the news of the
Victorian Premier and ministers were briefed about this abuse but
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kept it quiet for a week, a whole week before
the families were ultimately informed. Now I know politics, this
would have all been in about the pr spin have
a whole week to work up some sort of media
handling strategy.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You can't spin this away.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I mean, this is government failure of the worst kind.
In years past, it would have forced the immediate resignation
of officials across the board.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Not anymore these days.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
As soon as we have a massive failure of government policy,
the politician rushes out, calls a review and then ensures
that every follow up question from the media can be
smothered with a line I can't discuss it. I don't
want to preempt the review. That was what Daniel Andrews
did all the way through COVID and just into Alan
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Is his apprentice. No voter should accept this, whether it's
repeated instances of vulnerable children being sexually exploited or the
anti Semitism epidemic in this country. We need action now,
not months down the track. When a report lands on
someone's desk and the community has been dulled into submission,
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a leader with backbone would recall the Parliament immediately, and
the Premier should be asking the Opposition leader, Brad Batten.
As I've said before, a former police officer tos sit
down with her and their respective teams and agree a
set of new urgent laws to protect children. Laws at
the major party support, not the sort of rubbish that
gets diluted in the Upper House by radical fringe MPs,
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and then we as a community need to talk about
them really hard stuff. Show me any new mum or
dad who wants to leave their child, a six month
old baby, with anyone, a man in particular, but anyone.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
At a childcare center. They don't.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But as life becomes more and more unaffordable everyday, families
need two incomes to survive. And because we've built a
system that supports institutional childcare over parental care, that's what
we as a society force them to do. We have
got to wake up to what's happening here. Do you
understand that federally, as taxpayers, we spend sixteen billion dollars
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a year on a childcare system that is one.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Size fits all. We find on billions.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Into unionize childcare businesses that exist to make profits rather
than make it easy for parents to stay at home
with their little ones for at least the first couple
of years, when childcare is as much about nurturing and
parental bonding as it has anything to do with education.
When I've always said that childcare money should follow the child,
not the place where they get the care, but the child.
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So why don't we start supporting the parents pay them
money to the parents to choose the thought of care
that best supports them, don't pay it to the childcare operator.
I mean, for some parents this might mean they can
stay at home, they can afford to stay at home
for a little bit longer. For others, it might help
supplement the pension of the grandparents that look after them.
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Or it could be if you've got two or three
kids at home, that get yourself a nanny to work
in the family home. It doesn't stop parents choosing childcare
at a center if that's what they want, but critically
give parents a choice. Here's a few other difficult suggestions
that we can't walk away from. Don't you say that
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childcare centers have a duty of care to protect children,
then make the management criminally liable for abuse that takes
place on their premises. I mean, we've got industrial manslaughter
or laws for workplace deaths. In a fact, why shouldn't
childcare center owners and managers be criminally liable for the
sexual abuse that takes place under their watch. While we're
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at it, let's be honest about the sort of society
we have become and pledged to change it. The fact
that his alleged Melbourne perpetrator had passed all the working
with children checks suggests that culture is at least as
important as regulation. A society that does almost nothing about
the flood of hardcore pornography directed at our children, and
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that demands we celebrate drag Queen's storytelling and council libraries
as a sign of some sort of inclusion or saying
that we deplore the child's sex exploitation that we're seeing here, well,
that means we're already aready guilty of double standards. The
sexualization of Australian children has got to stop. And finally,
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dare I say it, stand up again for women and
girls to be safe in single sex spaces like toys
and change rooms, because I'm afraid to say that none
of this.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Happens in isolation.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Lots to cover Tonight, Busy Show will go down to
Canberra for the headlines. Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Reaching out for a fresh start, the Opposition leader convenes
members of the Chinese Australian community in Sydney.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
This is about listening and how we might better be
able to support the aspirations of your community's going forward.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Later this week, the Prime Minister will depart for Beijing
for his fourth meeting with President She.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
We cooperate with China where we can, we disagree where
we must.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
That's worked out very well for Australia in recent years.
Shouldn't we make friends with China?
Speaker 9 (13:48):
We should, but we should not do the expense of
the United States of America.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Following a string of anti Semitic incidents in Melbourne at
the weekend, including an arson attack on a synagogue, we.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Are seeing too much hate anti Semitism, but hatred against
other groups.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Julian, Lisa and I will be traveling tomorrow to the
East Melbourne Synagogue.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke did so on Saturday. The
Prime Minister has condemned the attack, but there are currently
no plans to visit himself. Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra all.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Right, plenty to get across joymy now Sky News political
reporter Cam Reddin, but Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis well, Jens.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
We'll start with Jacinta Allen.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Those shocking attacks in Melbourne, not one attack, multiple attacks,
beginning of course, at the synagogue on Friday night. She
was asked today about whether she would speak to the
Prime Minister about convening national Cabinet.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Have a listen.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
He's spoken with the things about national attagner.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Look, I know that this is the Prime Minister's highest priority.
I've spoken to him in the past about the work
that is being done, not just hearing Victoria, but across
the nation to crap down on this hate James.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I saw it flash across her face.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
As soon as she said that, she realized, Oh, hell,
I've sort of just dumped the Prime Minister in it,
because I've made the point that we have not spoken
about these recent events. She got a follow up question.
She made the admission they have not spoken. She talked
about the minister's talking. But I tell you what you know,
this is the second fire bombing of a synagogue in Melbourne.
This is completely un Australian. We saw this happen around
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the whole issue of the Dural caravan, where there was
no communication between the PM and the Premiere.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I find this staggering.
Speaker 10 (15:37):
Well, there's a couple of issues here, Peter.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
In the first one, as you've just outlined, is the
fact that I think in the real world, we would
assume that when something like this happens, and we see
these scenes and we read the detail of what has
occurred in Australia, you would have a basic conversation between
the Prime Minister and the Premier or the leader of
that state or territory. Now would have thought that was
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assumed knowledge. The fact that that hasn't happened is just
astonishing to me. Now, there's a separate issue about the
fact that the AFP and often state police often do
their own investigations and sometimes that doesn't lead to the
best possible results, and we had that happen with the
caravan situation. It does happen with the AFP and state enforcements.
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But the wider issue is the Prime minister. I think
in his first term of government, Peter was able to
sort of duck and weave and do as very little
as possible and then you know, try and just get
as much done, but then really didn't want to get
stuck into the details. When something like this happens, it
should be all hands on deck and the fact that
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these things are occurring in Australia to me is horrific.
Anyone that has been playing down this problem of anti
Semitism needs to have their head read and the scenes
at the weekend, including the protests, are just shocking. So look,
I don't know what the PM's doing at the moment,
but he's not doing enough.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
We'll come back to this issue.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I'm going to speak to a Melbourne Jewish community leader
but also a former detective in the AFP. I am
concerned it's not yet been labeled terrorism when plainly I
think it is terrorism.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But we'll come back to that in a moment.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I want to go to a speech the Prime Minister
gave on Saturday night. This is a John Curtain a
ration and it included a not so subtle jab at
the United States, cam let's have a listen now.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
Our alliance with the US ought to be remembered as
a product of Curtain's leadership in defense and foreign policy,
not the extent of it. Because Curtin's famous statement that
Australia looked to America was much more than the idea
of trading one strategic guaranteur for another, or swapping an
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alliance with the old world for one with the new.
Speaker 10 (17:52):
It was a.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
Recognition that Australia's fate would be decided in our region.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
When I was still having each who is with Tariff's
President Trump was making the point today, if you haven't
got a deal, you're unlikely to get a deal. That
of course means Australia. But we also know OURPM will
shortly meet with President g And what concerns me here
that China is demanding access in a trade sense to
Australia's artificial intelligence technologies. Now, I'll tell you what if
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we don't want them in our embedded networks like a telephony,
and we don't want them in our energy networks, I
don't think we want them in our AI either.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
I might note Peter, that could potentially be more of
an offer rather than looking to get what they can
out of us. I mean, China is leaps and bounds
ahead of Australia when it comes to developing artificial technologies.
We've seen this sort of race between the two big
companies in the world. You've got ten Cents in China
and also the chat GBT crew in the United States.
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So potentially that is more of a carrot dangling than
anything an offer for Australia to get more involved in
some of the programs that are being developed in China.
That will certainly be on the table when the Prime
Minister meets with President She later in the week. It
is quite staggering really to note how much things have
changed in these nine months, Peter. At the end of
last year, remember, China still had trade sanctions on Australia.
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There were a couple of beef producers, and lobster was
still in effect as well. They've since been removed, and
by the time the two leaders meet at the end
of the week, it'll be the United States hitting both
US and China with tariffs of their own. That is,
of course, well that's hitting everybody. And there's even one
school of thought, Peter, that a small silver lining to
the United States embarking on this tariff policy is that
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it could see Australian markets boom, with not just China
but others looking to do a lot more business with Australia.
But of course it changes by the week, and there
is obviously that overwhelming concern about what a US China
trade war could mean for not just Australia but the
global economy as well.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, you are generally the upside guy and I'm the
downside girl when it comes to China and technology, because
I tell you what camp I've been to China ten
or so times every single time I've taken in a
burner phone. I will never take in any technology into
China because I'll never know what comes out with it,
So I would not be doing any partnership deal with China.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
And Ai.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
James just quickly bad polls for the Libs in Victoria.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I mean, clearly Victorians want to change the government. That's
what these polls today say.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Labors on the nose, but they haven't come across to
the Liberals, although in one of the polls the opposition
leader is the preferred at preferred premier. Now we saw
with the case of Peter Dutton, he was ahead for
many many months in the polls but didn't get their
labor instead wins at a landslide. But to tell you what,
lives have got to stop fighting amongst themselves and get
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their act together.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Well, there's no doubt about that, and it's happening at
federal level and also state level. Peter and I don't
think this is a case of labor being the better side.
If you use a sporting analogy that they're a mile
in front on the scoreboard.
Speaker 10 (21:05):
The Libs are just such a rabble.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Internally in some parts, particularly in New South Wales and federally,
when they're arguing about quotas, and there's been this big
push to have a quota brought in where there'd be
a certain number of female members.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Now that's being pushed by a couple of people.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
I would know that the petition that is driving that
has five hundred and thirty signatures in favor of a
Liberal Party quota, which doesn't even when you were booth
in a federal seat. So I'm not convinced that the
average person is convinced that is the answer. They just
got to get back to basics, get their policies over
the line. We know about more redeeming and Victoria and
how bad that's been for the Libs, but it's certainly
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not a case of the Labor Party being the better
side at this point in time.
Speaker 10 (21:46):
The Libs just need.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
A coach, a good halfback, good five eighth then they
can get over the line. But yeah, if they get
their act together, it's gay mine. But they've got a
long way to go.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You're kind again to what almost they need a whole
new football team. But we will leave it there, gents,
Good to see you. Let's crossing out them all well
in Victoria, where skyn Is reported Georgie Dickerson is there.
She's been doing the hard yads for us in the courtroom.
Today we've only got a verdict. Aaron Patterson found guilty
of triple murder.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I can't saig.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I'm the only one watching this unfold for the last
couple of months. Georgie, I was staggered it took a
jury into the second week to find her guilty.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But here we are. Take us through today's verdict. Good,
I mean to you, Peter.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
Yes, six and a half days is what these jurors
did deliberate for. And while it might seem like a
quite a long time, they did have so much evidence
to sift through, which could have been a reason for
why it did take that extended a few days that
we kind of were expecting from these jurors. Fifty three
witnesses is what we heard over these past ten weeks
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in the trial now entering its eleventh week. But today
I was sat in the courtroom when the verdict was
ultimately handed down to Erin Patterson. She was sitting only
a few meters away from me, and I was watching
her as the jurors said guilty or not guilty to
those four different counts, And each count she was found
guilty of guilty of the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson,
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guilty of the murder of Heather Wilkinson, and guilty of
the murder of Don and Gail Pattison. And each time
is that guilty verdict was read out. She sat quite
emotionless in the dock. She was sat next to two
court officers and she was blinking a little bit, and
that was really the only movement from her face. She
didn't show any exmotion, No expression really changed on her
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face as it was handed down. The only real emotion
from the courtroom was one of her supporters sat in
the front row that was visibly upset as that verdict.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Was handed down.
Speaker 12 (23:46):
And she did speak briefly as she exited court. And
after the verdict was handed down, we were all told
to exit the room so that the defense could have
a minute with Aaron Patterson after finding out that she
was now guilty of those four charges.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Peter just quickly Georgie, any word whether there's likely to
be at an appeal here.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
We're still waiting to hear that.
Speaker 12 (24:09):
We did try to ask defense barrister Colin bent Mandy
as he did exit court, but he didn't say anything
to the media. There is a brief court mentioned that
is scheduled for tomorrow and in the coming weeks we
are likely to find out a few more dates and
also the sentencing dates. We will find out around a
month's time if there is an appeal, and after that
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likely to find out how long Aaron Patterson will spend
behind bars.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
All right, thank you, Georgie.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
All right, after the break that horror weekend for Melbourne'
Jewish community. But it's not just Melbourn's Jewish community, it's
any Victoria, any Australian who stands in solidarity with them,
and I think that is the majority. Plus we'll speak
with a former AFP detective. I want to break down
why it's taking so long for authorities to label this
is terrorism.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Still to count the catastrophic failures in Victoria's child protection
system that has allowed multiple sex offenders, including alleged sex offenders,
to slip through the cracks. Let's turn to what has
been a horror weekend yet again for Australia's Jewish community,
particularly those who live in Melbourne. There was the attempted
fire bombing of an East Melbourne synagogue full of worshipers,
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including young children.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
This is on Friday.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Nina Man, of course, has been charged there. At the
same time, an Israeli linked restaurant in the CBD was
barricaded and vandalized by a large angry mob. Now on
top of all of that, please have released CCC footage
of an arson attack on a business that's previously been
targeted by pro Palestinian protesters. Join me now to discuss this.
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Joel Bernie from the Australia Israel Jewishffairs Council.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Joe, welcome a long for.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The day when we get a Jewish community spokesperson on
to speak about all the good things the Jewish communities
doing in this country and not the horrors being visited
upon them, I have to ask you, I mean, how
is your community feeling after yet another terrible weekend in Melbourne.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Well, welcome back, Peter, and thank you for having me on.
As you alluded to, you know, I would like to
be here under different circumstances, but here I am, twenty
two months after the greatest loss of life since the
Holocaust in a bloody massacre of great pillage and murder
that occurred on the seventh of October. As soon as
the news spread across to Australia on that fateful day,
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we had vicious protests in the streets of Sydney and Melbourne.
Speaker 13 (26:36):
We all remember the issues on the steps and the
scenes on the steps of the Opera House. And since then.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
There has been a sustained campaign against the very proud
community that is given all that it is given to
this great country of ours, and recognizes and identify themselves
as great and proud Australians, but have been under intense
steege and barrage from elements within our own society, ripping
the fabrics of Australian social cohesion. And still to this day,
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after synagogues have burned, after child centers have been burnt down,
and targeted instessant graffiti everywhere, including targeting of children. The
question that we have in our community is when this
is going to stop. There has to be an endpoint
where the authorities in the government take it upon themselves.
Instead of listing all the things that they've done and
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that they've tried to do, it's obviously not working, so
get to work on finding out the solution to the
problem and fix it quickly. And before what we've all
predicted that blood is built when someone dies, it is
just by him, miracle Peter, that no one has been
killed in these attacks. But is that what it's going.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
To take for the government to actually do something about it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Look, I think we're all frustrated with I think we're
all sick of the words. We're sick of you task
forces and reviews and committees. It's a lot of talk,
not a lot of action. And well, if you know
your history, you know that burning synagogues with people inside
is a feature of the historical hate against Jews. We
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know Crystal or marked when windows were smashed of Jewish businesses.
That preceded the worst atrocities that humanity has ever visited
upon other human beings in the Holocaust.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So we've got all the lessons.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
From history, but we're absolutely not watching and learning and
picking up on those lessons of history. I mean, I
don't know about you, but another talk fest, another task force.
I mean, how do you feel about that response today
from the Victorian premier.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Well, nothing is more jarring to the ears of a
Jewish person in this country than to hear a political
leader or a leader say there.
Speaker 13 (28:49):
Is no place for anti Semitism in this country.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
This is a formulated construct of artificial words with poor
syntacs that are essentially meaningless to the people that are
been under consistent siege for the past.
Speaker 13 (29:02):
Twenty one to twenty two months.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
So the idea of now, I think, is the fifth
pass force that they.
Speaker 13 (29:08):
Have decided to put into operation.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Now, listening to the other parts of the Premier's press
conference today, we have antibilification laws that were passing the
Victorian government, but seemingly the police haven't put them into
operation yet.
Speaker 13 (29:21):
We have promised legislation that is still.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Apparently being drafted after the Addas Synagogue burnt down in
December last year, that would make it illegal for the
face mask to be there and make it tougher and
increase move on laws from the police. That's still in
draft form. And then we're told by the Premier that
will introduce it in the next session. Well, why was
it an introduced in the last sex session? When is
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the immediacy of this matter going to come to the fore? Now,
I'll add on to your crystal enough analogy, Peter, this
community of Australia, most specifically, Melbourne has the largest percentage
of Holocaust survivors outside of Israel living here in this
great city of ours, and they have to bear witness.
Those that are still surviving, have to bear witness to
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the horrors that they remember back in Europe in the
nineteen thirties. This is how bad it has come that
you've got the President, Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of
Israel calling out the behavior of the Australian government, pleading
with them to do more to protect the great citizens
Jewish citizens of this country. And still to this day
we still find ourselves in this position. A question to
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the Premier today, why does Victoria not implement a permit
system like in New South Wales. Somehow that that is
going to infringe on free speech and somehow the Propalacitian
movement has become the best is a free speech in
this country. This country has gone crazy, it's gone loopy,
and unfortunately the victims of it are the Jewish community.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Keep pushing, Joe, We'll keep pushing. I know there are
so many Australians who had this to their back teeth.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
They're sick of the inaction.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
They're calling on the governments toe and we've got to
keep this up. We can not let this take route
in our country. Thank you for your time. Let's stay
with this, but let's move to the policing aspect, because
there's a lot here that worries me. Joining me in our
former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig, I want
to start with that fire at the East Melbourne Synagogue.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
What concerns me?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes, counter Terrorism Police have charged an individual from New
South Wales, Angelo Lorris, but they put out a statement
they said they will continue to examine the intent and
ideology the person charged to determine if the incident is
in fact terrorism. Well, I don't know when I worked
in the government. If it looks and smells and walks
like terrorism, it's terrorism. What's the problem here with the definition, David.
Speaker 14 (31:46):
Hid hi everybody, But yeah, the problem with the definition
is that it needs to have a political, religious, or
ideologically based votive.
Speaker 13 (31:54):
So the acts themselves are setting.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Fire to the front door of the boss may not actually.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, of a synagogue, of a synagogue, of a synagogue.
Speaker 14 (32:04):
Sorry sorry on a synagogue might say sorry, yeah. The
attack of the synagogue.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
The fact that it was set thigh to that's criminal,
no doubt. But unless sleep to a political.
Speaker 14 (32:15):
Religious, or ideologically based motive, then it's simply not going
to be attended terrorism. But my concern is that these
sorts of events should be treated as terrorism until proven otherwise.
We saw him March earlier this year when there were
threats to a mosque in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It was treated as a terrorism act immediately, this was
threats online and then it would later on identify the
people that it's not motivated that way, it was downgraded.
Why aren't we doing this now with mosques, with synagogues
and with attacks on the Jewish community.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I was going to make that very point that in
the case elsewhere where it is attacks on mosques, it
starts off as terrorism until it's not terrorism. Unfortunately, if
it's a sigogue, it never starts as terrorism. You have
to go out of your way to prove an evidentiary
burden and when it's reported then in a week's time
that this was an event of terror, as we stood
(33:10):
with the Adas Synagogue in Melbourne a little earlier I
think was the end of last year. Of course, doesn't
get reported the new cycle has moved on. Talk to
me about this individual because years from Sydney. He's from
a Sydney suburb in western Sydney. Of tune, Gabby, this
is not a Melbourne person. So are we seeing cross
(33:33):
border activity here? Are we getting things in a coordinated way?
I mean you just heard Joel Bernie say Melbourne hosts
the most Holocaust survivors outside of Israel. Is Melbourne being
targeted by elements into state because of its large Jewish community?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's a very interesting question.
Speaker 14 (33:55):
For years there has been politically motivated people traveling in
to state to attend protests or detention center rights for
South Australia, different states, etc. My concern is that perhaps
Victoria is now becoming the state of choice or terrorism
and terrorist acts and hate crimes in Australia because of
(34:17):
their lasadaisical, less in uniform and soft approach to these effects.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Just quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I mean Victoria doesn't have a permit system like we
have in.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And Victoria used to have move on powers police. They
were repealed in twenty fifteen by Daniel and Andrews. Everyone
screaming to put them back in. Is this the sort
of practical policing tools that vic Pole needs.
Speaker 15 (34:46):
Of course, without this, there is no way to administer
any sort of form of fight against public fear by
any group of individuals. If I was going to commit
some sort of form of public intimidation or try and
threaten a.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
Particular group, what do with Victoria? Because you can get
away with that at the mont.
Speaker 15 (35:03):
And That's what I'm trying to excite any And I'm
just saying how a nepts the government are at the
moment in Victoria.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Ill over there, David Craig, thank you. I asked the
break what are we not doing to protect our children?
And we'll talk to an MP who has solutions. But
once Parliament immediately recalled. Welcome back now to the ongoing
(35:32):
investigation into the harrowing allegations of abuse at a childcare
center in Victoria. Alleged childcare monster, twenty six year old
Joshua Dale Brown has now been charged with more than
seventy offenses, including rape, and this involves young infants and babies.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
He's now been moved.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
To the high security bar in prison, where it's been
held in protective custody away from other inmates. Beyond these
immediates of any charges. It's fear that more than twelve
one hundred children might have been put at risk, given
Brown worked at a number of childea centers in Victoria
across a number of years.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Understandably, parents have been sickened by what they've been told
and have been forced to take their babies and young
children into hospitals to now be tested for sexually transmitting diseases.
Across the country, decent Australians are asking themselves how on
earth could this be allowed to happen. Yet on the weekend,
more revelations as we learn that accused sex offenders have
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been allowed to continue working with children even while under
police investigation. In one case in Horsham, a man there
Ron Mark's last week convicted and sentenced for accessing almost
one thousand images of child abuse material, including best reality
and torture imagery. Well, he was allowed to keep working
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out a childcare center in Horsham and teaching little children
about indigenous culture, despite the fact that police had raided
his home two years earlier. These are nine isolated examples.
They point to nothing short of the catastrophic failure of
Victoria's child protection laws. He to discuss what it's must
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be done immediately to protect the most vulnerable. Is Victoria's
Shadow Education Minister Jess Wilson, Well, I have to say
which I was talking to you about lighter topics. I
think people across the country are shocked. I think Victorians
are asking themselves if laws must be changed. Jess, why
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isn't the parliament sitting today.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
It's a great question, Peter. And what we know is
that we can change it now.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
We know what needs to be changed.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
We saw the case on the weekend of Ron Marx
who was convicted and pled guilty for possession of child
abuse material. Now he had a valid working with Children's
Check and visited childcare center after the police started their
investigation after they raided his home and found that material.
The system is clearly broken. Look at what happened last
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week in Point Cook and that's centers right across Melbourne's West.
The devastating news for those family. My heart breaks for
those families, those twelve hundred kids that are now going
testing for a sexually transmitted disease. We know what needs
to be done now and the Premier needs to recall
parliament so we can fix it and children are safe
in childcare.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So what is failing Victorians?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Is it just the checking system for those who work
in childcare centers.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
No, the working with children's check is part of it,
that's for sure. We need to make sure that that
looks backwards and make sure that we're picking up any
red flags and we're looking at if there have been
issues in the past. And in twenty twenty two, the
Victorian Ombudsman said the current system isn't fit for purpose.
It only picks up certain things charges and convictions. And
what we see on the weekend is that loophole that
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floor that an investigation was underway when it comes to
child sexual abuse material. So we need to expand that
and that's what the Ombudsman recommended in twenty twenty two.
And yet the Allen Labour government failed to actually take
on that reform and put it through the parliament. We
actually need to recall the parliament now to do that.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I write on the weekend, Given your leader Brad Batten's
experience as a police officer, why wouldn't the Premiere pull
the opposition into her office and say okay, we're to
work together and fix this. We can't tolerate anything else.
What can we do quickly together as the two major
parties in this state to protect children.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Why hasn't that happened?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
And this should triscend politics. This shouldn't be about politics.
It's bigger than that. It's more important than that. This
is about the safety of our children. And Brad and
I we wrote to the Premier and the Minister for
Children on early last week to say we want to
work together. We will stand ready to do anything we
need to do to pass through the parliament. Bring us
into this review, make sure we are part of it
so we can pass anything quickly. But there are things
(39:42):
we can do now. We don't need to wait for
a review. We've had review after review.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
We're just done that.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I mean, the review was a tactic used by this
labor government. Daniel andrews pineered it. She has followed up
with it. It means that whenever the media now pursues
her at a press conference and asks about this issue,
what are you doing? When's the parliament going to sit,
she says, I can't discuss this. It's all now before
a review. That's the problem with a review.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Well, all it's fine to have the review.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
We're happy for that.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Process to play out and if recommendations come out of that,
we will support those. But we know what we can
do now.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
And just on that. You've got a petition.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
How can my viewers tonight support you to get the
parliament back there this week?
Speaker 5 (40:21):
So we've already had thousands of Victorian families sign this
petition www. Dot Childsafetymatters, dot com dot au. Jump online
and tell the premiere you want to see the parliament recalled.
You want to put child safety first, you want to
put it before politics. Let's fix the safety system now.
We'll let the review play out. We'll implement those recommendations
(40:42):
as they come to the fore. But right now, let's
do what we can. Let's recall the parliament and put
child safety first.
Speaker 13 (40:47):
All right.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I have to talk to you tonight about what's happened
in Victoria over the weekend. Melbourne in particular, another synagogue
was firebond on Friday night. This can't be tolerated in Victoria.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
It can't be tolerated in Victoria. But I think the
time for words has passed. I think we actually need
to see action now. We hear the phrase anti Semitism
has no place in Australia or Victoria all too often
it's true, but let's actually do something about it. I
visited the East Melbourne Synagogue after the attempted fire bombing
on Saturday morning, and I could see the pain and
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suffering of our Jewish community. It's enough, it's enough, and
now we've got the premiere pulling together another task force, another.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
First to my point, just though that this is all
a smoke screen for action.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
This is a government that is more interested in managing
the fallout of issues than actually dealing with it and
putting in place the changes or the reforms that will.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Ensure it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
And for all too long, we've heard from Justint to Allen,
We've heard from Ben Carroll and the leadership of the
Labor Party that this is allful, it shouldn't occur. These
people should be brought to justice.
Speaker 10 (41:52):
We'll do something about it.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
We have put forward time and time again, move on
laws in this state giving Victoria police the power to
actually step in before these protests become violent, before what
happens at the restaurant on Friday night. We need those
powers to be given to Victoria police. Victoria police have
been asking for those powers, but Unfortunately the Allen Labor
government once again is refusing to do what actually needs
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to be done to keep Victorian safe.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, if you get the parliament back this week, they
can be on the table as well.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Let be done. Jess Wilson, thank you, Thanks Peter. There
you go.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
All the details about that petition to recall the Victorian
Parliament have ba blah blind Sky News's website, but also
on my social media as well. Coming up critical smelters
at risk of being shut down, unions leading the call
for change here, Let's go to embarrassed Chris Bowen, isn't
it And it's time now for childcare to help families
(42:45):
rather than laboured union mates. Up next, Welcome back. Earlier
in the program, I showed you the vision an event
held by Muslims in Melbourne today which I was told
was in response to those events at the synagogue where
these people pass by today and also that is Raelian
linked restaurant on Friday. Now, I'd like to clarify this
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was in fact a pre planned religious procession held every
year by Muslims to mark a festival of asurer. Let's
bring in my panel for a whole lot of other
issues now, One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and
Liberal MP for Monash Mary Aldred.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
I want to start with childcare.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You will have just turned my interview with Victorian Education
Shadow minister. There's a petition now to urge the Victorian
Premier to bring back the parliament and pass all the
laws needed to protect Victorian children. You can drive a
truck through the protection regime in Victoria. But I made
the point on the weekend and I made it again tonight.
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Victorian or sorry, Australian taxpayer spend sixteen billion dollars a
year for childcare, but it's a one size fits or model.
Your kid must go into unionized childcare or there's no support.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Mary. I've said this for years and years.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I think the money's got to follow the child, not
where the care is provided. And this is an ample
opportunity for the Libs to step up and have a
policy difference with labor and fix this in the interests
of families.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (44:16):
Absolutely, Peter, I mean it's horrific. My heart goes out
and my first thoughts are with the families impacted, obviously,
and Jess Wilson just spoke so well to what needs
to be done to fix this issue. I am just
horrified to see that. Debrah Glass cy Onbardsman called out
systemic failures back in twenty twenty two that weren't addressed
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again in twenty twenty four. I'll come from a regional area.
Childcare and access to childcare has its own set of
challenges here. But I think you've got a long track record, Peter,
speaking very eloquently on this issue, and I support what
you've just said.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Let's go to the issue more broadly. I mean you're
talking about one man in Victoria now that will be
before the courts, possibly something like twelve hundred young kids affected.
We had another case in Horsham where a man's being
investigated for a two year period about child sex offenses
but still able to access childcare centers during that period
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of time. He has since been convicted of these crimes.
And we had a police officer today, a former police
officer today on Sky News having this to say, have listen.
Speaker 16 (45:26):
You know, males in child care might feel themselves branded,
but you're saying goes beyond that, and maybe they're just
this goes to protecting.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
As you say, I'm ast vulnerable.
Speaker 17 (45:35):
Well, this is going to be one of those issues
that's going to be collateral damage, you know. And it
might be ideological, it might be whatever. I don't care.
At the end of the day, it's about protecting our kids,
protecting the next generation, and we don't want these kids
messed up by these filthy animals.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
James, you had that issue obviously in Brisbane too, or
in Queensland, similar to the Melbourne example from last week.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
You've got to have the debate in the community.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Do we want men in childcare centers looking after young children.
It's tough to say, It is tough to say, but
that's a question we've got to ask ourselves.
Speaker 18 (46:14):
Well, it's the debate that's happening around the dining room table.
We had it last night with my own family. We
all had a roast dinner and the whole family came over,
one of which is my niece who works in childcare.
My dad's worked in the education system as a cleaner
for the last fifteen on years. And the trouble is,
if you go throwing out men in childcare centers, where
does it end. We want to get rid of these
sick bastards. Don't get me wrong, they've got to go.
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But we've got to get more serious about these blue
card systems. We've got the blue card here in Queensland.
I know that there is no universal system across the country.
This is where we've got to lead from a federal
point of view. I saw David Christophiley making those remarks
today as well. By all means, we've got to have
a look at what it is that we're failing on.
(46:59):
If it means restricting men's workload within an early childcare center,
so be it. If it means more cameras, so be it.
Federal government should stump up for those sorts of costs.
We find the money to go and put these CCTV
cameras in and around communities to keep people safe. I
want to keep every child safe when they're in those
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early childhood centers. So it's got to be a whole
government approach. You know, you can go and recall Parliament
in Victoria, but the only partly protects Victorian kids. I
want all kids Queensland, every state, Victorian, New South Wales,
the whole country protected. And I think there's plenty of
people at home that would have already had this discussion
and they would agree. Something's got to change, but not
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banning all men from early education.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
I think there's a place absolutely for men and male
role models in school settings. I'm not convinced that men
looking after babies under the age of two when we've
got this outbreak of issues is where families want care
to be provided.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's got to go to the family. Mouney's got to
go to the family. Just quickly.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Unions are calling for some support for smelters. This will
make Chris Bowen pretty unhappy.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Mary.
Speaker 16 (48:10):
Yes, it's a bit of a competition on is Australia's
worst energy minister, the Victorian or the federal minister. I'm
a Victorian. We've got an aluminium smelter in Portland, on
the other side of Victoria to where I am. But
we've got a transmission line that runs from Loyang, a
power station in the Latrobe Valley to power that aluminium smelter.
(48:32):
There is always the argument that's gone for years gone
by about the value back to taxpayers. But I'll tell
you what, taking that aluminium smelter out of our state.
You only need to look at the Social Security Bill.
We've had successive labor governments at a state and federal
level that have done terrible damage from the timber industry
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to power jobs in regional areas. So it's really important
that we do everything that we can to make sure
we've got a strong sustainable future for those aluminium smellss
across Australia.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Great to have you both of the program.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
My apologies of run out of time, but we'll get
back into it next week. Up next to Dineka to
Giorgio filling in for Angiboldt.
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