July 8, 2025 • 51 mins
New data shows Chris Bowen’s climate targets are slipping away, the Reserve Bank hands down a surprise rates decision. Plus, Tony Abbott discusses his visit to the Melbourne synagogue which was firebombed.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
tonight on Kredline. Any wonder those anti Israel thugs had
free reign on Friday night in Melbourne. Revelations today that
Victoria police were under orders not to confront protesters. A
former vic Pohl detective will join me and try and
explain what the heck's going on in Victoria. Bad news
too for Chris Bow and fresh data out today is
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showing his climate targets are slipping, but that doesn't stop
him spending billions millions of dollars sending one hundred bureaucrats
to yet another climate talk fest. Last Tony Abbot's in Melbourne.
He joins me at the desk he spent the day
at that synagogue at East Melbourne was five bombed on
Friday night. Now while he's here, I'm asking what does
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he recommend to help labor fix the problem with the
US relationship? And the Reserve Bank's done nearly everyone today
with its decision to leave the cash rate on. Expert
analysis coming up and what the decision means for those
hoping for a bit of mortgage relief, but also our
economy more generally that.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We don't want to end up having to fight inflation again.
We want to make sure we've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But first the evidence is mounting all the time. The
obinezy government will not achieve its ambitious emissions reduction targets,
but it will effectively de industrialize Australia. Today's Financial Review
reports that Labour's current target, which is to cut emissions
by forty three percent twenty thirty via an eighty two
percent renewable energy target within just five years, is increasingly unlikely.
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And this is because the wholesale replacement of coal fired
power with wind and solar is simply not happening at
anything like the required speed. And that's because the economics
of it are all dodgy, and people are waking up
to the environmental damage it comes with wind turbine in
our oceans and national parks, and the land degradation that
these big, massive solar farms bring. But what is happening
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here is the continued skyrocketing cost of power, with increasingly
desperate cries for help from the industries which can't survive
without the sort of cheap and reliable electricity that Australia
was once renowned for the world over. Indeed, part of
the reason our country has been so prosperous to date
is that where we couldn't compete with Asia odd wages,
we certainly could compete when it came to the input
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cost of energy, because we're rich in natural resources in
a way that so many countries to our north are
not not anymore. We're now both a high wage economy
and a high energy cost one as well, and that's
why ur iconic Australian heavy industries steel at Wiela, Olminium
a tom Ago plus smelting at Mount aer Porpirian Hobart
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simply won't survive with power prices at current levels. And
all of these industry players are currently in negotiation with
state and federal governments over the subsidies needed to keep
them afloat and to keep heavy manufacturing and jobs alive
in this country. But much better than hitting up taxpayers
to subsidize these industries would be the removal of the
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policies that are making them unviable in the first place.
As I said, these industries only came to Australia because
of an abundance of cheap and reliable colified power that
made them profitable despite our high wages, our small domestic market,
and of course the tyranny of distance. As the fin
reports today, fifty three percent of Australia's electricity it's still
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generated by coal, but that's supposed to fall under labour
to just ten percent within five years. But nothing like
the required build of new wind and solar is taking
its place. The other big problem is the pushback from
regional communities, from farmers in particular over the thousands and
thousands of kilometers of transmission lines that yet to be
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built to carry this new power from the paddock to
the city. Now, our farmers don't want their land ripped up.
Australians who want to eat food grown here they don't
want that either, and tax fires justifiably demand the government
explains how we pay for all these mad green schemes,
but away over budget and way behind schedule. And that's
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before we even get to the backup generation, mostly gas
that's required to keep the lights on when we don't
have the wind.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
And the sun doesn't shine.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because intermittent power that's cheap wins here has destroyed the
economics of power that's on twenty four to seven, and
that's meant there's been no new investment for years in
colified power, which remains by far the cheapest form of
base load power in this country. And the tragedy here
for anyone who wants a straight or amount of country that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Makes things, farms things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And is prosperous as a result, is that there's no
hope that labor will change any of this state or
federal which is why our energy policy is such a
slow motion train wreck. And for what ask yourself that
when it comes to emissions, whe less than one percent
of the global problem, and we're bankrupting ourselves and sending
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jobs off shore because no one's willing to confess this
net zero emperor has no clothes. I mean, can you
believe what's been revealed today? The taxpayers were forced to
spend some one point five million dollars to fly seventy
five public servants to last year's UN climate talkfest in Azerbajan.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
What a shocking waste of your money. Now, sure I've
worked on.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
These conferences before, maybe send two or three public servants,
but seventy five. What possible benefit could there be in
sending seventy five bureaucrats to a global conference or flying there.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I might add adding.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Two emissions, but it's still as I say, not as
I do. It's no wonder our systems incapable of coming
up with smart policy that means officials not only bucking
the party line, but getting themselves off their gravy train.
If it really was necessary for Australia to be represented
at this conference, or send a minister, one or two
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senior public servants and one media staffer, but seventy five
officials at a conference the PM didn't think was good
enough to attend himself.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Well that's outrageous.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well you know parltical parties are in trouble when they
keep clutching at straws. As you've heard me say before.
The senior left wing liberals now advocating for quotas for
female candidates, Well that's Labour's policy. They'd rather copy their
opponents and come up with a principal way to take
women seriously. The later side of desperations from New South
Wales liberals, and this is from the front bench of
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Julian Lisa, who's arguing his state branch should embrace US
style primaries. In order to select new candidates. Now, Lisa's
idea at the general public, so not just liberal party members,
that the general public tells the party who their candidates
should be, and that this would somehow produce he reckons,
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candidates who better reflect.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
The wider community.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Right, sure, but it's not going to produce candidates, is it,
who are instinctively liberal? I mean, this is a stupid idea.
The whole reason people join a political party is to
have a saying policy sure, and have a saying who
represents them and their values. So why outsource that to
people who also vote green and labor and teel and independent.
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I mean, what's the point of a political party that
doesn't trust itself to pick its own candidates because it's
totally lost faith in its supposed convictions.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, Lisa's idea is not even a particularly accurate
version of the American system over there. In most states,
voters have to be a registered Democrat or a registered
Republican before they participate in their party's primary. They're at
least people are picking in the candidate that broadly supports
their values in the party. But Lisa's ideas nuts. He
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reckons that the opponents of the Liberal Party get us say,
and who becomes a Liberal candidate? Can you imagine Labor
letting a Liberal choose their candidate win?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
No way, is it any.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Wonder Lisa and others in the opposition are not in
government lost the way they lost. If this is their
idea to rebuild the liberals, how about supporting more democracies
for signed up Liberal Party members right now? Gee, that'd
be nice in New South Wales. Less of the factional
string pulling, because internal democracies what's lacking in New South
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Wales and what's needed desperately if the party is ever
going to produce the strong, truly liberal candidates that they
need to win at the next election. Now, honestly, this
stuff is now mainstream liberal thinking, and I reckon the
party really does face an existential crisis. Never forget the
electoral reality. Labor light liberals lose.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Goodness me.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
All right, let's go to camn out the Headlines' go
and use a political reporter, Camredden Good evening.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
In a move that shocked the market and surprised the government,
the Reserve Bank has kept interest rates on hold.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
We don't want to end up having to fight inflation again.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I don't second guest decisions taken independently by the Bank
or its board.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
But a third of its own members did. Publishing voting
outcomes for the first time. Three members of the Reserve
Bank voted to cut rates two three point six percent,
while six voted to hold. Shouldn't Australians know who is
arguing for them to have lower mortgages and where the
governor sits on that.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
I think this is an appropriate level of transparency.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
A new report from the Productivity Commission has found Australia
could be better off overall under Donald Trump's package of tariffs.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
The outlook around the global economy and the issue related
to tariffs isn't as bad as what the Reserve Bank
was sort of suggesting six weeks ago.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
The tariffs lower than ten percent.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
No, the Opposition leader has visited an East Melbourne synagogue
which was targeted in an arson attack at the weekend.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
The rising tide of anti Semitism in this country has
reached an unacceptable level.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
All right, let's bring him my pad on that to
get across that and a whole lot of other issues,
joining me now the host of the Power Out the
Wonderful Skynies Gab Power and columnists with the Spectator, Tarry Barnes,
Welcome to you both.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I have to say, finally we saw the PM today
front the media and take on those questions in relation
to why there's been all this talk but no action
on anti Semitism after a horror weekend yet again in Melbourne,
and rather than respond to the fifteen point practical plan
for this Executive Council of Australian Jury, the Prime Minister
instead insisted we've got an envoy.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That's enough.
Speaker 10 (11:09):
What we're doing is working with the Special Envoy on
any Semitism and we'll have more to say.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
About that incoming days.
Speaker 10 (11:17):
But of course we have responded substantially.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I mean, Gab, I mean, these Jewish organizations say they
want practical change, they're sick of the talk.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
They should be listened.
Speaker 11 (11:28):
To absolutely, I mean, what an insulting response. It's so
disappointing to hear that response from the Prime Minister, but
not at all surprising. I mean, look at his actions.
He hasn't visited the synagogue over the weekend, he didn't
bother holding a press conference and now he's defending his
track record and dismissing calls from the Jewish community to
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implement this fifteen point plan. Now, this fifteen point plan
is a thoughtful one. It's one that would actually make
a meaningful impact in reducing antisemit and Peter, we're coming
up to nearly two years since October seven, twenty twenty three,
and in that time right here in Australia, there has
just been such a dramatic rise of horrific, horrific anti
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Semitic incidents and I just don't know how many more
we need to see for the Prime Minister to do more.
I mean, we've seen childcare centers being targeted, We've seen
Jewish Australians being targeted, and right now members of the
Jewish community wondering and asking whether Australia is a safe
place for them.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I mean, can they.
Speaker 11 (12:30):
Go to their place of worship without it being attacked.
This is multiple attacks now on synagogues. It is absolutely heartbreaking.
It's devastating for the Jewish community and it's just so
disappointing that we have Anthony Albanesi in a position of
leadership where he has the option to really take the
Jewish community seriously and act, and he's failing to do
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that once again. So unfortunately no surprises are hearing his
response today.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You make the point that Prime Minister has not been
to Melbourne to the synagogue. I note that the opposition
to Leader Susan Lee was there today. She went to
the East Melbourne Synagogue and she pushed hard for calls
and joined the support for National Cabinet to sit tabolism.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
There are issues around this which require the policing authorities
across the different states to come together so we don't
have failures of laws and law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And we've also got.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
Issues that we have separately identified in a childcare center
in Melbourne. So the Prime Minister should be looking at
national cabinets on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yes now, I wasn't that long ago the Prime Minister
couldn't get out of bed without calling a meetian national cabinet,
and now when it should sit, he's refusing to hold
a meeting. I'll tell you what terry that admission yesterday
from the Victorian Premier that despite everything happening on Friday
and Saturday and again on Sunday, by Monday she had
still not had a conversation with the Prime minister just.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Beggars belief, doesn't it. Peter, And look, I'm ashamed to
actually be a Melbourne and I don't know about you,
but this is now the anti Semitic capital of the
Western world.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
It is awful.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
And we've got to Cindra Allen, the Victorian Premier and
the Prime Minister. Basically every time something happens, it's the
same platitudes rolled out again and again, but yet nothing
is happening. Oh, task forces, that's wonderful. Oh yeah, talk talk,
talk talk, but no action. And particularly if the police
are being pulled back from intervening in situations such as
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the Mizdon restaurant on Friday evening. I mean there is
a real problem there. What the Executive Councilor of Australian
Jury's fifteen point plan talks about, amongst other things, is
getting national coordination national consistency in relation to anti semitism
and racism and terror incidents. And why the Prime Minister
thinks that he can't say that's a good idea, call
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national cabinet together, I do not know. And as for Victoria,
I would like to actually see the Victorian opposition take
some leadership here, because I think we need to have
a bipartisan response to this and show some real initiatives
and some real force in responding to incident and outrage
after outrage.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's got a couple of other issues, and I touched
on here, the climb and targets. I mentioned them at
the top of the show. Financial review says we're not
going to meet them. We're only growing our renewable power
generation about half the rate needed to meet this twenty
thirty target gap.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
But it's also worth.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Noting that more than half of our electricity right now
in this country still comes from coal.
Speaker 11 (15:32):
That's right, around fifty three percent of the nation's electricity
is still coming from coal. So at this point it
is very hard to see how LABOR is going to
meet its twenty thirty emissions reduction target. We know with
this new analysis that renewable energy has grown at half
the rate required to meet Labour's target, and so for
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Labor to meet its target, it will need to triple
the rate of decline in coal power. So here we
are halfway through twenty twenty five. We're relying more on
coal and less on renewables than expected, and part of
the Paris Climate Agreement, Australia has agreed to release around
four thousand million tons of carbon between twenty twenty one
and twenty thirty, so we're essentially eating into that budget.
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We are not at all on track. We're well behind,
and ultimately we need some transparency from the government here
and some honesty that we're not going to be reaching
this target. And Peter, this comes as Australian so forking
out more for their energy bills during a cost of
living crisis.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But last night I was pretty tough on Paul cam
Redd and over this suggestion by the Chinese that AI
artificial intelligence should be on the table and trade negotiations.
They want to enter our systems in Australia. I think
it would be crazy to let that happen. But I'm
not the only one. Here's David little Proud.
Speaker 12 (16:52):
You look at what's happened with soul panels and batteries.
If we do that with AI with China, that has
potentially the capacity to lock us in even closer and
to rely even more on Chinese supply chains.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'll tell you what, terry.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
There were all these clowns that said Huawei should be
the underpinning of our five G network. But we're all
happy that didn't happen now, but this is the new
battlefront now. Prime Minister's on his way to Beijing. He
loves to bow and scrape with the Chinese. I hope
we don't go down this path.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
I certainly don't hope your cowtowns on this one, actually, Peter,
because I really do think that, as you say, artificial
intelligence is the next battlefront. I mean, the hostile powers
or potentially hostile powers to know how to use AI
can actually potentially destroy economies, destroy communications.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
To destroy armed forces.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
We just can't risk this.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
And in terms of the Chinese wanting to put digital
technology on the table terms of trade talks, I mean
it's basically trying to overturn decisions like Huawei and ensuring
that Chinese have an end to our communications networks, I mean,
now vital communications networks. We're talking about national security. I
think the Prime Minister has really got to actually show
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a bit of well bit of backbone here and actually
stand up to Jijiping and actually say very forcefully it's
staying to the Americans that but out of our defense spending,
Defen's decision making butt out China out of our communications
decision making and stay away from Australia's communications network, and.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I think we've got a resilient cyber system here in Australia.
Listen to this report from the Order to General in
New South Wales and says the lesson two thirds of
the government departments there they don't even have the basic
and mandatory, so they're not even meeting the requirements in
terms of cyber protection. The Premiere was pushed about this.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
Look, it is a concern. I'm going to be honest.
I would like to see meet all the criteria immediately
that the Order to General identify it. That's not possible though.
I mean most of the funding for cybersecurity in New
South Wales had been cut or put on a funding
cliff by the previous government.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, come on, mate, two thirds behind this is
not a little bit here. You're two thirds behind your
manitary requirements. And I'm sick of the excuses. I mean,
it is just not good enough. When you think of
all of our private information that government makes us give them.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It's all at.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
Risk, absolutely all that information, all that sensitive private information.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
But I'm just as.
Speaker 11 (19:27):
Shocked as you are about this, and I'm just as
shocked to hear that response from the premiere. I mean,
what country are we living in and what decade are
we living in? This report is absolutely shocking. Around seventy
percent of New South Wales government agencies do not have
the basic protection. So we're not talking about the most
sophisticated protections here.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
These are just the.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
Most basic ones, and let's look into it. Most department
and government agencies are operating on computer systems from two
thousand and eight and would have no idea if they
had been breached. And learning about this as cyber attacks
are on the rise, as hackers are carrying out more
sophisticated attacks. This of course comes after Quantas had its
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cyber attack last week with six million customers compromised. But
any organization that wants to take itself seriously is putting
cybersecurity as a top priority. And you would hope that
the state government would be doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Tea what two thousand and eight, that's the day of
the BlackBerry back then. I mean, this is crazy that
we're that far behind Terry. Just before we go a
lot of poles around about Victoria some of them have
got Brad Batten opposition leader headers preferred premier. The Libs
are languishing. This one's interesting though. This is about the
Suburban Rail League Carli controversially in Victoria. The Pole today
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says that fifty nine percent of Victorians so they either
strongly supported or somewhat support it. But you dig a
bit deeper, seventy eight percent, So almost eighty percent of
people say, geez, we're worried about the state debt in Victoria.
When you consider this project is around two hundred billion dollars,
it makes me pretty skeptical about the polling.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Well, I think a lot of people don't actually understand
the complexities move and rail. If it sounds good, it
sounds sexy, but really, when it comes down to it,
we can't afford anything like it. And given that the
cost seems to go up and up and up every
ten minutes in terms of estimates, I mean that enough
said look today I took my six year old too
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the Science Works Museum down here in Melbourne and we
went through the gift shop and she wanted to buy everything,
everything with a price tag that now fifty sixty dollars.
I said, look, I don't have that kind of money.
We can't afford to do this. This is exactly what
a responsible debt minded government needs to do, not just Victorians,
but with Australians in general. I think explain to them
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that you can only have so much, that free stuff
actually has a price, because I think many voters simply
aren't getting it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I think a lot of my viewers agree with you
that the Labor Party in Victoria is like a greedy.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Little six year old leiave that there. Thank you both.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Now to the RBA decision that's shocked almost everyone today
when that outsaid leave the cash rate on hold at
three point eighty five percent and joined me in our
Judo Bank's chief economist Warren Hogan. Well, first off, forgot
to ask you, why were you one of those in
the shocked camp or the expected camp? And what do
you think drove today's decision?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, good evening, Peter. It's I think surprised is the
characterization for me, certainly not shocked and somewhat pleased because
this is our central bank doing its job, that is
standing up to the mob, taking the long view and
doing things that occasionally are unpopular. I've been critical that
they haven't done enough of that in the last few years, and.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
It's good to see it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
But it did surprise everyone, especially given how much concern
they showed at their last meeting in May, particularly in
relation to the tariffs and what they were going to
do to the economy down the track. It's a more
settled sort of view there given giving us, and I
think that's good for our community.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah. I've got to tell you, the more I hear
from the RBA Governor Mishoe a lot more. I like
her tone, I like the way she pulls apart some
of the decision making. She made it clear today that
the board was split on this decision. Six were in favor,
three were against. Here's her explanation for the split.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
The difference between the two camps really was down to
slightly softer reading those who wanted to cut a slightly
softer reading of the data than those that wanted to
hold just for the time being, and also a little
bit more concern about the downside risks, particularly on the
international side, for those people who wanted to ease.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
How to find her remarks after.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
The decision, Yeah, well, I agree with you that she's
doing a great job and no nonsense, it's exactly what
we need in this role. But I think what we're
seeing in front of us right now is this new
operating model of these reforms, so called reforms to the
RBA in action, and of course we're feeling our way.
We're learning as we go, both us as outside is
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looking in and the RBA trying to do it more.
Transparency is a difficult thing, particularly in a country like Australia,
where there is so much focus on what interest rates
are doing. Because we have all this household debt, they're
all at variable mortgage rates, and no other country in
the world has the kind of intense focus on their
central bank and interest rates like we do.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
So look, I'm a.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Little bit concerned that it's a bit clumsy, but at
the moment, I think the governor is doing a great job.
And I'm worried about this vote. They just said six
favor three against. They didn't even tell us what they
would have done otherwise. They rate hikes, right cuts and
presumably rate cuts, And of course the lack of a
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tribute attribution worries me because you sort of can't be
halfway there with transparency. I understand why they don't want
to a tribute, but it also leaves a lot of
unanswered question for everyone to think about. I'm not convinced
the votes being revealed is a good thing, but what
it's telling us is that they were close to cutting
they just didn't do it this month, and that's a
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signal they're probably going to do it next time.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Look, I'm with you on the votes.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I mean, I think the whole point of something like
cabinet solidarity is whether you were for or against the decision,
you're bound by whatever comes out of the room. And
no one knows where anyone was, or publicly knows where
anyone was. Reently, you can get a gist of it
in the room from colleagues, but here we've got, you know,
I think one of the most important decisions that gets
made on a monthly basis in this country, given how
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indebted we are in terms of housing costs, And yet
you've got it's neither fish nor foul.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You've got the idea that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
There's a split, but you don't know where the split's
coming from, all the reasons for the split. She did
a bit of an attempt there to explain it. I
think this is where I'm not very comfortable with the
Treasurer's changes, but we'll see what happens. Talk to me
about the Donald Trump taff's two parts here. He's hit
a whole lot of other countries today, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia,
others at fourteen all up with a twenty five percent
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tariff hike or sorry rate, it's not a hike. Everyone
else gets to the first of August to try and
get a deal. We'd be lucky if we get at
a meeting by the first of August.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
The PM today.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Was asked about a special carve out for Australia.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
No country has a better deal than Australia. Now, we'll
continue to put our case that tariffs are an active
economic self harm and that we should be entitled to
reciprocal tariff, which is zero.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It seems like he's given up right. He's sort of
saying we've got a terrific outcome. Anyway, no one's got
a better deal than us because it can't get a meeting.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Warren as this ship sailed.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh yeah, I mean the ship now we can't report
and look, the reality is we are getting a good
deal in the in the Trump world at that baseline,
and of course, as you will know, Australia is one
of the foremost advocates of free trade and a living,
breathing example of its benefits. But we have to face
the realities of what this administration, indeed the US government
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wants to do. So today we saw Trump lay down
some of the new rates which were lower than where
they were, and of course extend looking for negotiations with
some other nations. We've got to distinguish between the geopolitical dimension,
which is all important in this, and the economic which
is about making sure that massive trade imbalance with the
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rest of the world, particularly China, is getting better in
the future. I think what we're seeing is a fairly
in diplomatic terms, clumsy sort of process, and we're all
watching and waiting. But I think the governor today highlighted
that and various others that we're in a good position
as a nation. The question is whether our trading partners
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are in any sort of trouble over the next five
years or so, and it's not clear at the stage,
but those are big numbers for countries like Japan and
Korea where they have businesses selling at very tight margins.
It will change where investment goes and where trade flows.
So everyone's watching and it's unknown territory.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And look, you're right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Potentially our opportunities inside the United States will increase. Given
you know we're at ten percent, there are twenty five
others at forty.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Thank you Warren. That's great.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
After the rate reports today that Victoria police will given
orders not to confront protesters the very same night the
thugs set upon that Melbourne City restaurant last how does
this anti semitism look from Afar, we'll cross live to
the UK. We'll speak with someone who's long called out
the rise of radical Islamists. What's this all doing to
our international reputation? Welcome back still to come Tony Abatt
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live at the desk with me. But here's take on
the Australia US relationship and how he reckons we get
it back on track. The first Victoria's Police Chief Commissioner,
the New Blope just over from New Zealand, Well These
launched a review into the handling of a shocking attack
on Israeli restaurant in Melbourne on Friday night. Three people
have now been charged with a soul to Frey righteous
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behavior and criminal damage. And this comes after report in
The Age today that Victorian police officers had been given
orders earlier on Friday not to confront protesters at an
anti police demonstration in the city. Now that protest was
promoted online by pro Palestinian and hard left activists John
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Been no. How to discuss this and what the heck's
going on? Former homicide detective Charlie Pasina. You know, Victorians
watched these scenes increasingly the fire bombing, the violence in
urban areas, and in this case it's small business, and
they think, where are the police? And then you read
this report of the Age today that the police are there.
The police are on the beat, but they've been told
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by they're higher ups not to go near the protesters,
not to confront them. Let them have our affair crack
at there. What's the point of the police.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Well, exactly right. I understand they were sitting in buses
around the corner. And this is not unlike when Gagosulus
was on the run.
Speaker 14 (30:09):
Look at the result of that, when senior officers were
saying the don't make an arrest, don't make an arrest exactly,
and they become over risk adverse. Sure, there's a lot
of planning because you're going to say, well, are we
going to inflame it? How many demonstrators were there. But
the whole real issue was this splinter group twenty splinter
group that actually were the.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
Ones that attacked the restaurant.
Speaker 14 (30:29):
Imagine the fear of those restaurant tours and the people
going there. It's no good in this police forces. A.
It's a bad look. B. It creates an injury mentally
and physically to these people.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Doing it after Marth is not good enough.
Speaker 14 (30:47):
They've got to react on the spot. Now we are
paying the legacy since two thousand and this was brought
in by Christine Nixon, the Chief Commissioner.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Then that's soft policing exactly.
Speaker 14 (30:57):
Her attitude was, do not make arrests. So this is
twenty two thousand, remember the G twenty riots and that's
where it was and heard instructions were do not make
a rest. Well, there were task force and catch up
later and it's fermented twenty five years later. Look where
we are. And another aspect is years ago we had
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what we called the Special Branch and they had all
this intelligence on these particular political groups, and the government
of the day said Nope, disbanded straight away.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
All the intelligence we lost.
Speaker 14 (31:30):
So we need to have the intelligence and we need
the government on side to get permits and make these
people a cannabal.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Well, just on that.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's a good point. I was going to make the point,
and I made it last night. You know, my headdress
is next door to this restaurant, so know the area
well Highway Lane as.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
A little lane.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You could put policity the end and round up your
proturles and throw them in the divvy van. But it's
also very narrow too, so all the other people out
there on a busy Friday night will have suffered the
same sort of career as those people inside the rest did.
But talk to me about those permit laws. I'll get
to the move on laws at a moment, because Victoria
you used to have them till Dan Andrew's got rid of.
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But what they have in your South Wales the permit
system now. She's pushed almost every day, the premier in Victoria,
to say, why don't you have this in place in Victoria?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Why don't we Well.
Speaker 14 (32:18):
I don't know what affiliation the government of the day
has with these particular groups.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Is your some association.
Speaker 14 (32:24):
There's got to be a reason why they then enacted
because okay, I've had this permit.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I mean a left wing government in kot left wing.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
It may well be the case.
Speaker 14 (32:34):
Now you've got to say this, You've said why why
haven't they enacted it every other state and we're the
only ones left standing without it. My view is, okay,
apply for a permit to protest. Okay, that's your right,
but you've got the Spinner group. Go back to the
permit hold and say all right, this Spinner group came
from your group.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
You're the one accountable.
Speaker 14 (32:55):
Now when you apply for another permit, you're not going
to get it because you're not controlling your own peace.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
It's not for us. So ultimately there is no accountability.
Speaker 14 (33:04):
They run right, And my particular question is what have
you achieved, what apart from inconveniencing the community, the good
people of this state, what have you achieved globally internally?
Speaker 7 (33:16):
But go and demonstrate in the middle of the botadaical
guard because we.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Don't worry anything about these people unless they're arrested direct
right where was in New South Wales? You know the organizations,
you know how.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Many to exeget the intelligence.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yet you can resource it according each other.
Speaker 14 (33:30):
But I think that they didn't have intelligence on that restaurant,
but they should have been proactive.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
We are a reactive.
Speaker 14 (33:37):
Police force, but we've got to become smart and become
proactive and then have our people in stealth and say
all right, we've got to twenty spind a group, have
thirty of us, and let's storm them and arrest them
and then we'll sort it out later. The community will
say fantastic. They'd be pumped and we need the powers.
They had this anti valification laws back in December. It
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hasn't been passed in that law, so the police have
really got no powers. But they've got to be seen
to be doing, not sitting in a bus around the corner.
So it'll be interested to see what Mike Burns a
Bush comes up with about with his review. Hopefully things
will change and having more in the face of these
people and saying no, we run this state.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
You don't tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We didn't need to go to New Zealand for a
new police commissioner, Charlievicenta, you could have had that job,
muche recruit from our own I tell you fantastic.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Thank you all right. Australia's a scourge of anti seventies
and we know is a national shame.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think as a Melbournie and I feel enormous shame
about it, but bad for Australia. It's making headlines all
around the world for all the wrong reasons. Israeli p
and Benjamin and Yao who's condemned the attacks in Melbourne,
including the arson attack that is synagogue and called on
the Australian government to deal with the writers to the
full extent of the law and prevent similar attacks in
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the future. To've been out to discuss this. Author and
Sky News contributor Ian Hersiali from London, thank you. I've
got to get your take from afar. What do you
make of Australia's response to these increasing and shocking incidents
of anti semitism.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Hi, Peter.
Speaker 15 (35:14):
What I make of it is that Australia is treating
these horrible and horrifying attacks as criminal activity fast and foremost,
that is a discussion that the domestic politicians and policy
makers and the police are having. But this is much
bigger than just a criminal activity. This is a political movement.
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It's political subversion. We're looking at political violence and we
need to get to the bottom. We need to know
where the mother be of this is. And I think
it's been going on for many, many years, and I
don't know if it's any comfort to Australians, but it's
not happening just in Australia. It's happening all over the
Western world. And somehow the Anglow world is a more
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affected than the rest. It's the United Kingdom, it's in
America that we're seeing these marches and this targeted violence
against Israel, against Jews, against Zionism. But these attacks and
Jews are just the appetizer. If you look at the
ideology of the political activists, they come for the Jews first,
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but they really are after eventually, after America and after
the system. So I think that we have to look
this in the right perspective, which is, yes, find the
criminal perpetrators and punish them to the full extent of
the law. But the more important step is to understand
who these people are and what their political motivations are
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and how they got to where they are.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Right, you pick this up and pace the courage media
because you talk about how we're basically producing these socialists
in the universities. You point to man Dami, this is
the New York Democrat in the mayoral race, and you
point out that he fled at Uganda. But he's the
sort of person who came and profited from living in
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the United States. But now he's waging a campaign against
the very system you say that gave him his freedoms.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I mean, is he an example of more to come?
Speaker 15 (37:20):
He is obviously the big, shining example of what we
have produced in our universities. And again, I want to
keep repeating the word the subversion. It started with the
subversion of our educational institutions, so that we are not
providing education anymore in these universities. We're not teaching the
disciplines of math and science and history and civics and
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Western civilization and humanities and classics. Now we have something
called studies, and these are all grievance studies. You get
a degree in resentment and in anger against the very
system and against the very society that has provided someone
like Mamdany with stability to become who he is. And
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I think that this is the what you're seeing. The
anti Semitism, the resistence as they call it, that you're
seeing on the streets. It's not We're not having a
sudden onset socialism. This is rooted in years and years
of quote unquote education. But it wasn't education. It's indoctrination.
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And I think there is no way of justifying it
because I've had, you know, the Oili podcast. I was
responding to Friedberg's where he was trying to think that
maybe there's a material reason for this, but that maybe
it's the student loans and things like this, and I'll
tell you again that is just part.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Of the story.
Speaker 15 (38:43):
But the real story is that our educational system, our
educational institutions have been infiltrated and they've been subverted, and
we're looking at impressionable young minds whose minds and hearts
have been twisted to come out against the system. Wants
to bring up the empire. They talk about white supremacy
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and this has to stop. And that's really where the
root of the problem lies.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Spot On, Ianna, I urge all of my viewers at
home who have not read your piece to go to
Courage Media and read it, because you know it's a
clarion call to the West, but to Australians about what's
happening with so you call it indoctrination infrastructure on our campuses.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
So true.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Thank you, Anne, thank you all right after ray Tony
Avittle joined me after spending the day to day at
the East Melbourne Synagogue. Last a bit later on the
IR decision that will have massive ramifications not just in
mining but across a lot of workplaces.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Coming up the take on the unions today who want
a showdown in case with BHP, I have the same
work saying pay rules. It's a big precedent for business.
But first to the anti Semitic attacks in Melbourne on
the weekend. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott days visited the
synagogue at the scene at the horrific events in miss
Melbourne that was targeted by arsiness, one of many attacks
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across the city targeting Jews.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Tony Appa joins me. Now, I know you went.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
To the synagogue to day at Albert Street and you
met with Rabbi Goodnick.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Why did you think it was important to do that, Peter,
I thought it was important to make my own personal
statement of solidarity with Jewish Australians who have been under
a relentless attack. Really ever, since the October the seventh atrocity.
It must stop, and all we've had up till now
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is largely impotent hand ringing.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
From people in authority.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I wouldn't so much have a fifteen point plan, I'd
have a one point plan to stop this. Just as
the police cracked down hard on the freedom protests during
the pandemic, there's nothing to stop them cracking down on
these prohamas due hatred protests. They've been going on for
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far too long. This is not a question of freedom
of speech and the right to protest. This is blatant
intimidation of decent, law abiding Australians. We can't tolerate it.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
They must be stopped.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
They must never be allowed to happen again. And if
the police object, the Premier should just say I'm sorry.
This is an instruction from the elected and accountable government
to officialdom, go and carry it out.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I think the problem, if you've talked to Charlie Person
and others in the police force, is less about the
actual rank and file street it's move on laws in
Victoria being repealed by Daniel Andrews. It's the lack of
a permit system in Victoria, unlike New South Wales. It's
a lack of ticker from our leaders and we saw that.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
That's the essential point.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
But that's what.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Happened from that very Sunday before there had been a
strike by Israel in retaliation to the hostage taking and
the murders and the deaths and the depravity. Before Israel
had even responded, you've got these hate preachers basically screaming
on the steps of the Opera House. Now two years on,
almost from October seven, it's only got worse.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
It's a bad attack of moral ambivalence on the part
of our leaders. What's happening on our streets, What's been
happening on our streets repeatedly since October the ninth, since
October the eighth, twenty twenty three. It's just wrong and
the only way now, after months and months and months
of equivocation and half hearted statements and more reviews and
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more committees and more talk, it's not new laws, it's
new and decisive will on the part of the authorities
to do the same thing to these utterly wrong headed protests,
as was to the.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Freedom protest during the pandemic.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
The Victoria government had the power to do it against protesters,
then it's got the power to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Now, I've got to ask you about the fact that
the PM is going it is fourth trip to Beijing
to meet President G and we haven't had a meeting
with the US president. We've got to obviously, the tariffs
with had an extension now until the first of August.
I mean, people who have observed this space for a
long time, like Greg Sheridan say this isn't now just
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about a relationship between two men. He thinks the alliance
itself is at risk. We know G wants to take
back Taiwan. People talk about twenty twenty seven as a
key to eight. We are in very treacherous times. Our
whole military posture is banked on the fact that if
we got into trouble, the US had come to our right.
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We can't even get a phone call, let alone a meeting.
Do you think Greg's points fair?
Speaker 6 (43:58):
I think they're There is a fundamental difficulty right now,
and I think that the US Alliance, it's been the
bedrock of our security for the last seventy years, is
potentially at risk because at the end of the day,
it's hard to know whose side this government is on.
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Is the Albanese government more on the side of communist
China or is it more on the side of the
country that's been the leader of the free world all
these decades?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Now, So imagine if you were in the prime minister's
shoes today, how do you fix it?
Speaker 7 (44:34):
Well, I think you've got to do two things.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
First of all, you've got to swiftly lift our defense spending,
our military spending to the three percent of GDP that
people like Kim Beasley and the authors of the government's
own Defense Review have said is essential. And second, you've
got to make it crystal clear that in any conflict
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between communist China and the leader of the free world,
we'll be on America's side. Now, we hope that there
will never be any conflict because it would be diabolical,
but the best way to avoid conflict is de terrence
through strength, peace through strength, And we'd be making it
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clear not that we're against the Chinese people, but that
in any choice between dictatorship and democracy, we know where
we stand.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Tony, have it be careful with words like that.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
You might find yourself in Washington knocking on Trunk's door
and replacing Kevin Right.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
A pity if you've got that job with you what
all right? Believe it?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
There after the break us primaries for the Liberal Party
in your South Wales. God to help us with that
one plus public servants.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
At a climate conference. Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Let's bring in my panel straightaway, skin is contribute our
former Liberal Party Vice president Tina McQueen and Jared Holland,
the chief executive of the Page Research Center. Help me
understand what's going on in New South Wales amongst the Libs.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Please, Tina.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
A crowd of moderates want US style primaries to help
choose the new Liberal candidates for the future. But in
that it's not just Liberal members who'll get a vote.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
They want Labor and Green's.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Supporters to choose the Liberal I reckon, this is absolutely nuts.
Speaker 16 (46:28):
It's total madness, Peter, I can't believe it being pushed
by Julian Lesso, who's the champion branch stacker so good
at a branch stacking enforced Philibroddock out of his seat.
It's insane. Also the petition that was made public regarding quoters.
I mean, all this give us democracy in New South Wales.
Let every member have a vote and all problems will
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be solved. But this is absolute lunacy and if we
continue with this, we will become irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I have to tell you too, A petition that's only
got about five hundred names saying they want female quote
as tells me dead Dodo. No one wants it. No
one that's stupid other than a few moderates.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I suspect. Let's go to other stupidity.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Chris Bowen spending one point five million dollars to take
seventy to five public servants on an aircraft with emissions
all the way to Azerbajan last year. I'll tell you what, Jared,
this is just a gravy train.
Speaker 17 (47:23):
Well, the big irony of all of this, Peter, is
the big takeaway from Baku was that renewables can't do
it all, and if the world wants to decarbonize its
electricity grid, it has to go nuclear. So clearly they
weren't paying much attention and were at the same conference
as everyone else. But now, if this government's priority was
how do we have as cheap electricity as possible, they
might have found themselves at another conference in February in London,
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the Art Conference, and heard from the Energy Secretary in
the US Chris Wright talking about how unlocking and harnessing
all of their fossil fuels is the key to getting
prices down, making the grid reliable, and ending energy poverty.
And I think this seems to be where the government
prioritizes if it's actually serious about transfer lives, and it
won't come from performityve aactions conferences in AZERBA Giant.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
You're not wrong, And of course Chris Bayne wants Australia
our hosted and our bill will not be one point
five million.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Let me tell you hell of a lot more than that, Tina.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
This decision by the Fairwell Commission, it's ruled in favor
of the unions against BEHP and it says that the
two hundred labor higher firm mine workers. So these are contractors,
they're not employees. They've all got to have their pay
lifted to the same as someone who is a full
time employee. This could be about thirty thousand dollars per worker.
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This is under the.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Whole same job, same pay law regime.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Now business are worry this basically wipes out labor higher firms,
which has long been the holy grail.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Of the unions.
Speaker 16 (48:51):
That's right, Peter look and BHPS may sort of cost
about five thousand jobs. It will also cost you one
point seven billion dollars to all the people that have
shares in BHB, either directly or through their you know,
through their.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Super fun yeh super fund exactly. So this is a tender.
Speaker 16 (49:13):
Constable who's been a great champion of this is absolutely
disgusted with the role. Result is incredibly disappointing and will
change this industry forever.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Let's stay with resources because the investment firm Baron Joey
says the uranium market has exploded because there's a whole
lot of people around the world not here of course,
who want to build nuclear power stations, and that there's
a real shortfall in uranium supply. We're abundant with it,
of course, and it'll make the commodity more expensive, which
is good for Australian exports. But I'll tell you what
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not good for our own energy market, Jared. I mean,
you must feel like you bang your head against a
brick wall. I mean, we're going to keep digging it
up like we dig up our coal, like we mind
our gas.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
But we'll ship it for others to use, but not
use it here.
Speaker 17 (50:00):
That's exactly right, Peter, and that's exactly what I was
going to say when you're reading out the story is
there's other commodities that we love to dig up here
and are very happy for others to burn on the
cheap and sell us back the products that we don't
want to touch. Look on the uranium point, I think
what's interesting we just talked about cop the world is
recognizing that energy reliability and especially energy security is going
to be essential coming into the next decade, especially with
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all the geopolitical turm world that we've been witnessing around
the world. Nuclear rods they're pretty reliable stuff. You can
stick them in a well, they'll sit there for decades
on end, and then you can pull them out and
then use them when you need them. And so when
other countries aren't blessed with the resources that we have,
it's a really smart way to make sure they're shoring
up their grids. The fact that we're not doing this,
that we're importing solar panels and wind turbines from China
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that only last five, ten, fifteen years, or a couple
of years if there's a haalstorm, is absolute madness. But
look hopefully call their heads, prevail and there's still a
couple of hours works for labor to really turn this
around and shure up our country.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Oh, we've wrote them ount which would be the nice
way to go. Thank you to you both. That's it
for me tonight. Up next, Andrew bought with Jeneka to Georgio.
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
tonight on Kredline. Any wonder those anti Israel thugs had
free reign on Friday night in Melbourne. Revelations today that
Victoria police were under orders not to confront protesters. A
former vic Pohl detective will join me and try and
explain what the heck's going on in Victoria. Bad news
too for Chris Bow and fresh data out today is
(00:29):
showing his climate targets are slipping, but that doesn't stop
him spending billions millions of dollars sending one hundred bureaucrats
to yet another climate talk fest. Last Tony Abbot's in Melbourne.
He joins me at the desk he spent the day
at that synagogue at East Melbourne was five bombed on
Friday night. Now while he's here, I'm asking what does
(00:50):
he recommend to help labor fix the problem with the
US relationship? And the Reserve Bank's done nearly everyone today
with its decision to leave the cash rate on. Expert
analysis coming up and what the decision means for those
hoping for a bit of mortgage relief, but also our
economy more generally that.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We don't want to end up having to fight inflation again.
We want to make sure we've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But first the evidence is mounting all the time. The
obinezy government will not achieve its ambitious emissions reduction targets,
but it will effectively de industrialize Australia. Today's Financial Review
reports that Labour's current target, which is to cut emissions
by forty three percent twenty thirty via an eighty two
percent renewable energy target within just five years, is increasingly unlikely.
(01:44):
And this is because the wholesale replacement of coal fired
power with wind and solar is simply not happening at
anything like the required speed. And that's because the economics
of it are all dodgy, and people are waking up
to the environmental damage it comes with wind turbine in
our oceans and national parks, and the land degradation that
these big, massive solar farms bring. But what is happening
(02:08):
here is the continued skyrocketing cost of power, with increasingly
desperate cries for help from the industries which can't survive
without the sort of cheap and reliable electricity that Australia
was once renowned for the world over. Indeed, part of
the reason our country has been so prosperous to date
is that where we couldn't compete with Asia odd wages,
we certainly could compete when it came to the input
(02:31):
cost of energy, because we're rich in natural resources in
a way that so many countries to our north are
not not anymore. We're now both a high wage economy
and a high energy cost one as well, and that's
why ur iconic Australian heavy industries steel at Wiela, Olminium
a tom Ago plus smelting at Mount aer Porpirian Hobart
(02:54):
simply won't survive with power prices at current levels. And
all of these industry players are currently in negotiation with
state and federal governments over the subsidies needed to keep
them afloat and to keep heavy manufacturing and jobs alive
in this country. But much better than hitting up taxpayers
to subsidize these industries would be the removal of the
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policies that are making them unviable in the first place.
As I said, these industries only came to Australia because
of an abundance of cheap and reliable colified power that
made them profitable despite our high wages, our small domestic market,
and of course the tyranny of distance. As the fin
reports today, fifty three percent of Australia's electricity it's still
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generated by coal, but that's supposed to fall under labour
to just ten percent within five years. But nothing like
the required build of new wind and solar is taking
its place. The other big problem is the pushback from
regional communities, from farmers in particular over the thousands and
thousands of kilometers of transmission lines that yet to be
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built to carry this new power from the paddock to
the city. Now, our farmers don't want their land ripped up.
Australians who want to eat food grown here they don't
want that either, and tax fires justifiably demand the government
explains how we pay for all these mad green schemes,
but away over budget and way behind schedule. And that's
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before we even get to the backup generation, mostly gas
that's required to keep the lights on when we don't
have the wind.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
And the sun doesn't shine.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because intermittent power that's cheap wins here has destroyed the
economics of power that's on twenty four to seven, and
that's meant there's been no new investment for years in
colified power, which remains by far the cheapest form of
base load power in this country. And the tragedy here
for anyone who wants a straight or amount of country that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Makes things, farms things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And is prosperous as a result, is that there's no
hope that labor will change any of this state or
federal which is why our energy policy is such a
slow motion train wreck. And for what ask yourself that
when it comes to emissions, whe less than one percent
of the global problem, and we're bankrupting ourselves and sending
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jobs off shore because no one's willing to confess this
net zero emperor has no clothes. I mean, can you
believe what's been revealed today? The taxpayers were forced to
spend some one point five million dollars to fly seventy
five public servants to last year's UN climate talkfest in Azerbajan.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
What a shocking waste of your money. Now, sure I've
worked on.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
These conferences before, maybe send two or three public servants,
but seventy five. What possible benefit could there be in
sending seventy five bureaucrats to a global conference or flying there.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I might add adding.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Two emissions, but it's still as I say, not as
I do. It's no wonder our systems incapable of coming
up with smart policy that means officials not only bucking
the party line, but getting themselves off their gravy train.
If it really was necessary for Australia to be represented
at this conference, or send a minister, one or two
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senior public servants and one media staffer, but seventy five
officials at a conference the PM didn't think was good
enough to attend himself.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Well that's outrageous.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well you know parltical parties are in trouble when they
keep clutching at straws. As you've heard me say before.
The senior left wing liberals now advocating for quotas for
female candidates, Well that's Labour's policy. They'd rather copy their
opponents and come up with a principal way to take
women seriously. The later side of desperations from New South
Wales liberals, and this is from the front bench of
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Julian Lisa, who's arguing his state branch should embrace US
style primaries. In order to select new candidates. Now, Lisa's
idea at the general public, so not just liberal party members,
that the general public tells the party who their candidates
should be, and that this would somehow produce he reckons,
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candidates who better reflect.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
The wider community.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Right, sure, but it's not going to produce candidates, is it,
who are instinctively liberal? I mean, this is a stupid idea.
The whole reason people join a political party is to
have a saying policy sure, and have a saying who
represents them and their values. So why outsource that to
people who also vote green and labor and teel and independent.
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I mean, what's the point of a political party that
doesn't trust itself to pick its own candidates because it's
totally lost faith in its supposed convictions.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, Lisa's idea is not even a particularly accurate
version of the American system over there. In most states,
voters have to be a registered Democrat or a registered
Republican before they participate in their party's primary. They're at
least people are picking in the candidate that broadly supports
their values in the party. But Lisa's ideas nuts. He
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reckons that the opponents of the Liberal Party get us say,
and who becomes a Liberal candidate? Can you imagine Labor
letting a Liberal choose their candidate win?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
No way, is it any.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Wonder Lisa and others in the opposition are not in
government lost the way they lost. If this is their
idea to rebuild the liberals, how about supporting more democracies
for signed up Liberal Party members right now? Gee, that'd
be nice in New South Wales. Less of the factional
string pulling, because internal democracies what's lacking in New South
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Wales and what's needed desperately if the party is ever
going to produce the strong, truly liberal candidates that they
need to win at the next election. Now, honestly, this
stuff is now mainstream liberal thinking, and I reckon the
party really does face an existential crisis. Never forget the
electoral reality. Labor light liberals lose.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Goodness me.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
All right, let's go to camn out the Headlines' go
and use a political reporter, Camredden Good evening.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
In a move that shocked the market and surprised the government,
the Reserve Bank has kept interest rates on hold.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
We don't want to end up having to fight inflation again.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I don't second guest decisions taken independently by the Bank
or its board.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
But a third of its own members did. Publishing voting
outcomes for the first time. Three members of the Reserve
Bank voted to cut rates two three point six percent,
while six voted to hold. Shouldn't Australians know who is
arguing for them to have lower mortgages and where the
governor sits on that.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
I think this is an appropriate level of transparency.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
A new report from the Productivity Commission has found Australia
could be better off overall under Donald Trump's package of tariffs.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
The outlook around the global economy and the issue related
to tariffs isn't as bad as what the Reserve Bank
was sort of suggesting six weeks ago.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
The tariffs lower than ten percent.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
No, the Opposition leader has visited an East Melbourne synagogue
which was targeted in an arson attack at the weekend.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
The rising tide of anti Semitism in this country has
reached an unacceptable level.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
All right, let's bring him my pad on that to
get across that and a whole lot of other issues,
joining me now the host of the Power Out the
Wonderful Skynies Gab Power and columnists with the Spectator, Tarry Barnes,
Welcome to you both.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I have to say, finally we saw the PM today
front the media and take on those questions in relation
to why there's been all this talk but no action
on anti Semitism after a horror weekend yet again in Melbourne,
and rather than respond to the fifteen point practical plan
for this Executive Council of Australian Jury, the Prime Minister
instead insisted we've got an envoy.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That's enough.
Speaker 10 (11:09):
What we're doing is working with the Special Envoy on
any Semitism and we'll have more to say.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
About that incoming days.
Speaker 10 (11:17):
But of course we have responded substantially.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I mean, Gab, I mean, these Jewish organizations say they
want practical change, they're sick of the talk.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
They should be listened.
Speaker 11 (11:28):
To absolutely, I mean, what an insulting response. It's so
disappointing to hear that response from the Prime Minister, but
not at all surprising. I mean, look at his actions.
He hasn't visited the synagogue over the weekend, he didn't
bother holding a press conference and now he's defending his
track record and dismissing calls from the Jewish community to
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implement this fifteen point plan. Now, this fifteen point plan
is a thoughtful one. It's one that would actually make
a meaningful impact in reducing antisemit and Peter, we're coming
up to nearly two years since October seven, twenty twenty three,
and in that time right here in Australia, there has
just been such a dramatic rise of horrific, horrific anti
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Semitic incidents and I just don't know how many more
we need to see for the Prime Minister to do more.
I mean, we've seen childcare centers being targeted, We've seen
Jewish Australians being targeted, and right now members of the
Jewish community wondering and asking whether Australia is a safe
place for them.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I mean, can they.
Speaker 11 (12:30):
Go to their place of worship without it being attacked.
This is multiple attacks now on synagogues. It is absolutely heartbreaking.
It's devastating for the Jewish community and it's just so
disappointing that we have Anthony Albanesi in a position of
leadership where he has the option to really take the
Jewish community seriously and act, and he's failing to do
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that once again. So unfortunately no surprises are hearing his
response today.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You make the point that Prime Minister has not been
to Melbourne to the synagogue. I note that the opposition
to Leader Susan Lee was there today. She went to
the East Melbourne Synagogue and she pushed hard for calls
and joined the support for National Cabinet to sit tabolism.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
There are issues around this which require the policing authorities
across the different states to come together so we don't
have failures of laws and law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And we've also got.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
Issues that we have separately identified in a childcare center
in Melbourne. So the Prime Minister should be looking at
national cabinets on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yes now, I wasn't that long ago the Prime Minister
couldn't get out of bed without calling a meetian national cabinet,
and now when it should sit, he's refusing to hold
a meeting. I'll tell you what terry that admission yesterday
from the Victorian Premier that despite everything happening on Friday
and Saturday and again on Sunday, by Monday she had
still not had a conversation with the Prime minister just.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Beggars belief, doesn't it. Peter, And look, I'm ashamed to
actually be a Melbourne and I don't know about you,
but this is now the anti Semitic capital of the
Western world.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
It is awful.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
And we've got to Cindra Allen, the Victorian Premier and
the Prime Minister. Basically every time something happens, it's the
same platitudes rolled out again and again, but yet nothing
is happening. Oh, task forces, that's wonderful. Oh yeah, talk talk,
talk talk, but no action. And particularly if the police
are being pulled back from intervening in situations such as
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the Mizdon restaurant on Friday evening. I mean there is
a real problem there. What the Executive Councilor of Australian
Jury's fifteen point plan talks about, amongst other things, is
getting national coordination national consistency in relation to anti semitism
and racism and terror incidents. And why the Prime Minister
thinks that he can't say that's a good idea, call
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national cabinet together, I do not know. And as for Victoria,
I would like to actually see the Victorian opposition take
some leadership here, because I think we need to have
a bipartisan response to this and show some real initiatives
and some real force in responding to incident and outrage
after outrage.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's got a couple of other issues, and I touched
on here, the climb and targets. I mentioned them at
the top of the show. Financial review says we're not
going to meet them. We're only growing our renewable power
generation about half the rate needed to meet this twenty
thirty target gap.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
But it's also worth.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Noting that more than half of our electricity right now
in this country still comes from coal.
Speaker 11 (15:32):
That's right, around fifty three percent of the nation's electricity
is still coming from coal. So at this point it
is very hard to see how LABOR is going to
meet its twenty thirty emissions reduction target. We know with
this new analysis that renewable energy has grown at half
the rate required to meet Labour's target, and so for
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Labor to meet its target, it will need to triple
the rate of decline in coal power. So here we
are halfway through twenty twenty five. We're relying more on
coal and less on renewables than expected, and part of
the Paris Climate Agreement, Australia has agreed to release around
four thousand million tons of carbon between twenty twenty one
and twenty thirty, so we're essentially eating into that budget.
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We are not at all on track. We're well behind,
and ultimately we need some transparency from the government here
and some honesty that we're not going to be reaching
this target. And Peter, this comes as Australian so forking
out more for their energy bills during a cost of
living crisis.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But last night I was pretty tough on Paul cam
Redd and over this suggestion by the Chinese that AI
artificial intelligence should be on the table and trade negotiations.
They want to enter our systems in Australia. I think
it would be crazy to let that happen. But I'm
not the only one. Here's David little Proud.
Speaker 12 (16:52):
You look at what's happened with soul panels and batteries.
If we do that with AI with China, that has
potentially the capacity to lock us in even closer and
to rely even more on Chinese supply chains.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'll tell you what, terry.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
There were all these clowns that said Huawei should be
the underpinning of our five G network. But we're all
happy that didn't happen now, but this is the new
battlefront now. Prime Minister's on his way to Beijing. He
loves to bow and scrape with the Chinese. I hope
we don't go down this path.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
I certainly don't hope your cowtowns on this one, actually, Peter,
because I really do think that, as you say, artificial
intelligence is the next battlefront. I mean, the hostile powers
or potentially hostile powers to know how to use AI
can actually potentially destroy economies, destroy communications.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
To destroy armed forces.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
We just can't risk this.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
And in terms of the Chinese wanting to put digital
technology on the table terms of trade talks, I mean
it's basically trying to overturn decisions like Huawei and ensuring
that Chinese have an end to our communications networks, I mean,
now vital communications networks. We're talking about national security. I
think the Prime Minister has really got to actually show
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a bit of well bit of backbone here and actually
stand up to Jijiping and actually say very forcefully it's
staying to the Americans that but out of our defense spending,
Defen's decision making butt out China out of our communications
decision making and stay away from Australia's communications network, and.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I think we've got a resilient cyber system here in Australia.
Listen to this report from the Order to General in
New South Wales and says the lesson two thirds of
the government departments there they don't even have the basic
and mandatory, so they're not even meeting the requirements in
terms of cyber protection. The Premiere was pushed about this.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
Look, it is a concern. I'm going to be honest.
I would like to see meet all the criteria immediately
that the Order to General identify it. That's not possible though.
I mean most of the funding for cybersecurity in New
South Wales had been cut or put on a funding
cliff by the previous government.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, come on, mate, two thirds behind this is
not a little bit here. You're two thirds behind your
manitary requirements. And I'm sick of the excuses. I mean,
it is just not good enough. When you think of
all of our private information that government makes us give them.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It's all at.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
Risk, absolutely all that information, all that sensitive private information.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
But I'm just as.
Speaker 11 (19:27):
Shocked as you are about this, and I'm just as
shocked to hear that response from the premiere. I mean,
what country are we living in and what decade are
we living in? This report is absolutely shocking. Around seventy
percent of New South Wales government agencies do not have
the basic protection. So we're not talking about the most
sophisticated protections here.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
These are just the.
Speaker 11 (19:48):
Most basic ones, and let's look into it. Most department
and government agencies are operating on computer systems from two
thousand and eight and would have no idea if they
had been breached. And learning about this as cyber attacks
are on the rise, as hackers are carrying out more
sophisticated attacks. This of course comes after Quantas had its
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cyber attack last week with six million customers compromised. But
any organization that wants to take itself seriously is putting
cybersecurity as a top priority. And you would hope that
the state government would be doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Tea what two thousand and eight, that's the day of
the BlackBerry back then. I mean, this is crazy that
we're that far behind Terry. Just before we go a
lot of poles around about Victoria some of them have
got Brad Batten opposition leader headers preferred premier. The Libs
are languishing. This one's interesting though. This is about the
Suburban Rail League Carli controversially in Victoria. The Pole today
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says that fifty nine percent of Victorians so they either
strongly supported or somewhat support it. But you dig a
bit deeper, seventy eight percent, So almost eighty percent of
people say, geez, we're worried about the state debt in Victoria.
When you consider this project is around two hundred billion dollars,
it makes me pretty skeptical about the polling.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Well, I think a lot of people don't actually understand
the complexities move and rail. If it sounds good, it
sounds sexy, but really, when it comes down to it,
we can't afford anything like it. And given that the
cost seems to go up and up and up every
ten minutes in terms of estimates, I mean that enough
said look today I took my six year old too
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the Science Works Museum down here in Melbourne and we
went through the gift shop and she wanted to buy everything,
everything with a price tag that now fifty sixty dollars.
I said, look, I don't have that kind of money.
We can't afford to do this. This is exactly what
a responsible debt minded government needs to do, not just Victorians,
but with Australians in general. I think explain to them
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that you can only have so much, that free stuff
actually has a price, because I think many voters simply
aren't getting it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I think a lot of my viewers agree with you
that the Labor Party in Victoria is like a greedy.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Little six year old leiave that there. Thank you both.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Now to the RBA decision that's shocked almost everyone today
when that outsaid leave the cash rate on hold at
three point eighty five percent and joined me in our
Judo Bank's chief economist Warren Hogan. Well, first off, forgot
to ask you, why were you one of those in
the shocked camp or the expected camp? And what do
you think drove today's decision?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, good evening, Peter. It's I think surprised is the
characterization for me, certainly not shocked and somewhat pleased because
this is our central bank doing its job, that is
standing up to the mob, taking the long view and
doing things that occasionally are unpopular. I've been critical that
they haven't done enough of that in the last few years, and.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
It's good to see it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
But it did surprise everyone, especially given how much concern
they showed at their last meeting in May, particularly in
relation to the tariffs and what they were going to
do to the economy down the track. It's a more
settled sort of view there given giving us, and I
think that's good for our community.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah. I've got to tell you, the more I hear
from the RBA Governor Mishoe a lot more. I like
her tone, I like the way she pulls apart some
of the decision making. She made it clear today that
the board was split on this decision. Six were in favor,
three were against. Here's her explanation for the split.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
The difference between the two camps really was down to
slightly softer reading those who wanted to cut a slightly
softer reading of the data than those that wanted to
hold just for the time being, and also a little
bit more concern about the downside risks, particularly on the
international side, for those people who wanted to ease.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
How to find her remarks after.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
The decision, Yeah, well, I agree with you that she's
doing a great job and no nonsense, it's exactly what
we need in this role. But I think what we're
seeing in front of us right now is this new
operating model of these reforms, so called reforms to the
RBA in action, and of course we're feeling our way.
We're learning as we go, both us as outside is
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looking in and the RBA trying to do it more.
Transparency is a difficult thing, particularly in a country like Australia,
where there is so much focus on what interest rates
are doing. Because we have all this household debt, they're
all at variable mortgage rates, and no other country in
the world has the kind of intense focus on their
central bank and interest rates like we do.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
So look, I'm a.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Little bit concerned that it's a bit clumsy, but at
the moment, I think the governor is doing a great job.
And I'm worried about this vote. They just said six
favor three against. They didn't even tell us what they
would have done otherwise. They rate hikes, right cuts and
presumably rate cuts, And of course the lack of a
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tribute attribution worries me because you sort of can't be
halfway there with transparency. I understand why they don't want
to a tribute, but it also leaves a lot of
unanswered question for everyone to think about. I'm not convinced
the votes being revealed is a good thing, but what
it's telling us is that they were close to cutting
they just didn't do it this month, and that's a
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signal they're probably going to do it next time.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Look, I'm with you on the votes.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I mean, I think the whole point of something like
cabinet solidarity is whether you were for or against the decision,
you're bound by whatever comes out of the room. And
no one knows where anyone was, or publicly knows where
anyone was. Reently, you can get a gist of it
in the room from colleagues, but here we've got, you know,
I think one of the most important decisions that gets
made on a monthly basis in this country, given how
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indebted we are in terms of housing costs, And yet
you've got it's neither fish nor foul.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You've got the idea that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
There's a split, but you don't know where the split's
coming from, all the reasons for the split. She did
a bit of an attempt there to explain it. I
think this is where I'm not very comfortable with the
Treasurer's changes, but we'll see what happens. Talk to me
about the Donald Trump taff's two parts here. He's hit
a whole lot of other countries today, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia,
others at fourteen all up with a twenty five percent
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tariff hike or sorry rate, it's not a hike. Everyone
else gets to the first of August to try and
get a deal. We'd be lucky if we get at
a meeting by the first of August.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
The PM today.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Was asked about a special carve out for Australia.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
No country has a better deal than Australia. Now, we'll
continue to put our case that tariffs are an active
economic self harm and that we should be entitled to
reciprocal tariff, which is zero.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It seems like he's given up right. He's sort of
saying we've got a terrific outcome. Anyway, no one's got
a better deal than us because it can't get a meeting.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Warren as this ship sailed.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh yeah, I mean the ship now we can't report
and look, the reality is we are getting a good
deal in the in the Trump world at that baseline,
and of course, as you will know, Australia is one
of the foremost advocates of free trade and a living,
breathing example of its benefits. But we have to face
the realities of what this administration, indeed the US government
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wants to do. So today we saw Trump lay down
some of the new rates which were lower than where
they were, and of course extend looking for negotiations with
some other nations. We've got to distinguish between the geopolitical dimension,
which is all important in this, and the economic which
is about making sure that massive trade imbalance with the
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rest of the world, particularly China, is getting better in
the future. I think what we're seeing is a fairly
in diplomatic terms, clumsy sort of process, and we're all
watching and waiting. But I think the governor today highlighted
that and various others that we're in a good position
as a nation. The question is whether our trading partners
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are in any sort of trouble over the next five
years or so, and it's not clear at the stage,
but those are big numbers for countries like Japan and
Korea where they have businesses selling at very tight margins.
It will change where investment goes and where trade flows.
So everyone's watching and it's unknown territory.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And look, you're right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Potentially our opportunities inside the United States will increase. Given
you know we're at ten percent, there are twenty five
others at forty.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Thank you Warren. That's great.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
After the rate reports today that Victoria police will given
orders not to confront protesters the very same night the
thugs set upon that Melbourne City restaurant last how does
this anti semitism look from Afar, we'll cross live to
the UK. We'll speak with someone who's long called out
the rise of radical Islamists. What's this all doing to
our international reputation? Welcome back still to come Tony Abatt
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live at the desk with me. But here's take on
the Australia US relationship and how he reckons we get
it back on track. The first Victoria's Police Chief Commissioner,
the New Blope just over from New Zealand, Well These
launched a review into the handling of a shocking attack
on Israeli restaurant in Melbourne on Friday night. Three people
have now been charged with a soul to Frey righteous
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behavior and criminal damage. And this comes after report in
The Age today that Victorian police officers had been given
orders earlier on Friday not to confront protesters at an
anti police demonstration in the city. Now that protest was
promoted online by pro Palestinian and hard left activists John
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Been no. How to discuss this and what the heck's
going on? Former homicide detective Charlie Pasina. You know, Victorians
watched these scenes increasingly the fire bombing, the violence in
urban areas, and in this case it's small business, and
they think, where are the police? And then you read
this report of the Age today that the police are there.
The police are on the beat, but they've been told
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by they're higher ups not to go near the protesters,
not to confront them. Let them have our affair crack
at there. What's the point of the police.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Well, exactly right. I understand they were sitting in buses
around the corner. And this is not unlike when Gagosulus
was on the run.
Speaker 14 (30:09):
Look at the result of that, when senior officers were
saying the don't make an arrest, don't make an arrest exactly,
and they become over risk adverse. Sure, there's a lot
of planning because you're going to say, well, are we
going to inflame it? How many demonstrators were there. But
the whole real issue was this splinter group twenty splinter
group that actually were the.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
Ones that attacked the restaurant.
Speaker 14 (30:29):
Imagine the fear of those restaurant tours and the people
going there. It's no good in this police forces. A.
It's a bad look. B. It creates an injury mentally
and physically to these people.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Doing it after Marth is not good enough.
Speaker 14 (30:47):
They've got to react on the spot. Now we are
paying the legacy since two thousand and this was brought
in by Christine Nixon, the Chief Commissioner.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Then that's soft policing exactly.
Speaker 14 (30:57):
Her attitude was, do not make arrests. So this is
twenty two thousand, remember the G twenty riots and that's
where it was and heard instructions were do not make
a rest. Well, there were task force and catch up
later and it's fermented twenty five years later. Look where
we are. And another aspect is years ago we had
(31:18):
what we called the Special Branch and they had all
this intelligence on these particular political groups, and the government
of the day said Nope, disbanded straight away.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
All the intelligence we lost.
Speaker 14 (31:30):
So we need to have the intelligence and we need
the government on side to get permits and make these
people a cannabal.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Well, just on that.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's a good point. I was going to make the point,
and I made it last night. You know, my headdress
is next door to this restaurant, so know the area
well Highway Lane as.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
A little lane.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You could put policity the end and round up your
proturles and throw them in the divvy van. But it's
also very narrow too, so all the other people out
there on a busy Friday night will have suffered the
same sort of career as those people inside the rest did.
But talk to me about those permit laws. I'll get
to the move on laws at a moment, because Victoria
you used to have them till Dan Andrew's got rid of.
(32:08):
But what they have in your South Wales the permit
system now. She's pushed almost every day, the premier in Victoria,
to say, why don't you have this in place in Victoria?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Why don't we Well.
Speaker 14 (32:18):
I don't know what affiliation the government of the day
has with these particular groups.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Is your some association.
Speaker 14 (32:24):
There's got to be a reason why they then enacted
because okay, I've had this permit.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I mean a left wing government in kot left wing.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
It may well be the case.
Speaker 14 (32:34):
Now you've got to say this, You've said why why
haven't they enacted it every other state and we're the
only ones left standing without it. My view is, okay,
apply for a permit to protest. Okay, that's your right,
but you've got the Spinner group. Go back to the
permit hold and say all right, this Spinner group came
from your group.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
You're the one accountable.
Speaker 14 (32:55):
Now when you apply for another permit, you're not going
to get it because you're not controlling your own peace.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
It's not for us. So ultimately there is no accountability.
Speaker 14 (33:04):
They run right, And my particular question is what have
you achieved, what apart from inconveniencing the community, the good
people of this state, what have you achieved globally internally?
Speaker 7 (33:16):
But go and demonstrate in the middle of the botadaical
guard because we.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Don't worry anything about these people unless they're arrested direct
right where was in New South Wales? You know the organizations,
you know how.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Many to exeget the intelligence.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yet you can resource it according each other.
Speaker 14 (33:30):
But I think that they didn't have intelligence on that restaurant,
but they should have been proactive.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
We are a reactive.
Speaker 14 (33:37):
Police force, but we've got to become smart and become
proactive and then have our people in stealth and say
all right, we've got to twenty spind a group, have
thirty of us, and let's storm them and arrest them
and then we'll sort it out later. The community will
say fantastic. They'd be pumped and we need the powers.
They had this anti valification laws back in December. It
(33:58):
hasn't been passed in that law, so the police have
really got no powers. But they've got to be seen
to be doing, not sitting in a bus around the corner.
So it'll be interested to see what Mike Burns a
Bush comes up with about with his review. Hopefully things
will change and having more in the face of these
people and saying no, we run this state.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
You don't tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We didn't need to go to New Zealand for a
new police commissioner, Charlievicenta, you could have had that job,
muche recruit from our own I tell you fantastic.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Thank you all right. Australia's a scourge of anti seventies
and we know is a national shame.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think as a Melbournie and I feel enormous shame
about it, but bad for Australia. It's making headlines all
around the world for all the wrong reasons. Israeli p
and Benjamin and Yao who's condemned the attacks in Melbourne,
including the arson attack that is synagogue and called on
the Australian government to deal with the writers to the
full extent of the law and prevent similar attacks in
(34:52):
the future. To've been out to discuss this. Author and
Sky News contributor Ian Hersiali from London, thank you. I've
got to get your take from afar. What do you
make of Australia's response to these increasing and shocking incidents
of anti semitism.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Hi, Peter.
Speaker 15 (35:14):
What I make of it is that Australia is treating
these horrible and horrifying attacks as criminal activity fast and foremost,
that is a discussion that the domestic politicians and policy
makers and the police are having. But this is much
bigger than just a criminal activity. This is a political movement.
(35:39):
It's political subversion. We're looking at political violence and we
need to get to the bottom. We need to know
where the mother be of this is. And I think
it's been going on for many, many years, and I
don't know if it's any comfort to Australians, but it's
not happening just in Australia. It's happening all over the
Western world. And somehow the Anglow world is a more
(36:00):
affected than the rest. It's the United Kingdom, it's in
America that we're seeing these marches and this targeted violence
against Israel, against Jews, against Zionism. But these attacks and
Jews are just the appetizer. If you look at the
ideology of the political activists, they come for the Jews first,
(36:21):
but they really are after eventually, after America and after
the system. So I think that we have to look
this in the right perspective, which is, yes, find the
criminal perpetrators and punish them to the full extent of
the law. But the more important step is to understand
who these people are and what their political motivations are
(36:43):
and how they got to where they are.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Right, you pick this up and pace the courage media
because you talk about how we're basically producing these socialists
in the universities. You point to man Dami, this is
the New York Democrat in the mayoral race, and you
point out that he fled at Uganda. But he's the
sort of person who came and profited from living in
(37:07):
the United States. But now he's waging a campaign against
the very system you say that gave him his freedoms.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I mean, is he an example of more to come?
Speaker 15 (37:20):
He is obviously the big, shining example of what we
have produced in our universities. And again, I want to
keep repeating the word the subversion. It started with the
subversion of our educational institutions, so that we are not
providing education anymore in these universities. We're not teaching the
disciplines of math and science and history and civics and
(37:44):
Western civilization and humanities and classics. Now we have something
called studies, and these are all grievance studies. You get
a degree in resentment and in anger against the very
system and against the very society that has provided someone
like Mamdany with stability to become who he is. And
(38:06):
I think that this is the what you're seeing. The
anti Semitism, the resistence as they call it, that you're
seeing on the streets. It's not We're not having a
sudden onset socialism. This is rooted in years and years
of quote unquote education. But it wasn't education. It's indoctrination.
(38:26):
And I think there is no way of justifying it
because I've had, you know, the Oili podcast. I was
responding to Friedberg's where he was trying to think that
maybe there's a material reason for this, but that maybe
it's the student loans and things like this, and I'll
tell you again that is just part.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Of the story.
Speaker 15 (38:43):
But the real story is that our educational system, our
educational institutions have been infiltrated and they've been subverted, and
we're looking at impressionable young minds whose minds and hearts
have been twisted to come out against the system. Wants
to bring up the empire. They talk about white supremacy
(39:03):
and this has to stop. And that's really where the
root of the problem lies.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Spot On, Ianna, I urge all of my viewers at
home who have not read your piece to go to
Courage Media and read it, because you know it's a
clarion call to the West, but to Australians about what's
happening with so you call it indoctrination infrastructure on our campuses.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
So true.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Thank you, Anne, thank you all right after ray Tony
Avittle joined me after spending the day to day at
the East Melbourne Synagogue. Last a bit later on the
IR decision that will have massive ramifications not just in
mining but across a lot of workplaces.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Coming up the take on the unions today who want
a showdown in case with BHP, I have the same
work saying pay rules. It's a big precedent for business.
But first to the anti Semitic attacks in Melbourne on
the weekend. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott days visited the
synagogue at the scene at the horrific events in miss
Melbourne that was targeted by arsiness, one of many attacks
(40:09):
across the city targeting Jews.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Tony Appa joins me. Now, I know you went.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
To the synagogue to day at Albert Street and you
met with Rabbi Goodnick.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Why did you think it was important to do that, Peter,
I thought it was important to make my own personal
statement of solidarity with Jewish Australians who have been under
a relentless attack. Really ever, since the October the seventh atrocity.
It must stop, and all we've had up till now
(40:39):
is largely impotent hand ringing.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
From people in authority.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I wouldn't so much have a fifteen point plan, I'd
have a one point plan to stop this. Just as
the police cracked down hard on the freedom protests during
the pandemic, there's nothing to stop them cracking down on
these prohamas due hatred protests. They've been going on for
(41:05):
far too long. This is not a question of freedom
of speech and the right to protest. This is blatant
intimidation of decent, law abiding Australians. We can't tolerate it.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
They must be stopped.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
They must never be allowed to happen again. And if
the police object, the Premier should just say I'm sorry.
This is an instruction from the elected and accountable government
to officialdom, go and carry it out.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I think the problem, if you've talked to Charlie Person
and others in the police force, is less about the
actual rank and file street it's move on laws in
Victoria being repealed by Daniel Andrews. It's the lack of
a permit system in Victoria, unlike New South Wales. It's
a lack of ticker from our leaders and we saw that.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
That's the essential point.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
But that's what.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Happened from that very Sunday before there had been a
strike by Israel in retaliation to the hostage taking and
the murders and the deaths and the depravity. Before Israel
had even responded, you've got these hate preachers basically screaming
on the steps of the Opera House. Now two years on,
almost from October seven, it's only got worse.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
It's a bad attack of moral ambivalence on the part
of our leaders. What's happening on our streets, What's been
happening on our streets repeatedly since October the ninth, since
October the eighth, twenty twenty three. It's just wrong and
the only way now, after months and months and months
of equivocation and half hearted statements and more reviews and
(42:44):
more committees and more talk, it's not new laws, it's
new and decisive will on the part of the authorities
to do the same thing to these utterly wrong headed protests,
as was to the.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Freedom protest during the pandemic.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
The Victoria government had the power to do it against protesters,
then it's got the power to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Now, I've got to ask you about the fact that
the PM is going it is fourth trip to Beijing
to meet President G and we haven't had a meeting
with the US president. We've got to obviously, the tariffs
with had an extension now until the first of August.
I mean, people who have observed this space for a
long time, like Greg Sheridan say this isn't now just
(43:31):
about a relationship between two men. He thinks the alliance
itself is at risk. We know G wants to take
back Taiwan. People talk about twenty twenty seven as a
key to eight. We are in very treacherous times. Our
whole military posture is banked on the fact that if
we got into trouble, the US had come to our right.
(43:52):
We can't even get a phone call, let alone a meeting.
Do you think Greg's points fair?
Speaker 6 (43:58):
I think they're There is a fundamental difficulty right now,
and I think that the US Alliance, it's been the
bedrock of our security for the last seventy years, is
potentially at risk because at the end of the day,
it's hard to know whose side this government is on.
(44:18):
Is the Albanese government more on the side of communist
China or is it more on the side of the
country that's been the leader of the free world all
these decades?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Now, So imagine if you were in the prime minister's
shoes today, how do you fix it?
Speaker 7 (44:34):
Well, I think you've got to do two things.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
First of all, you've got to swiftly lift our defense spending,
our military spending to the three percent of GDP that
people like Kim Beasley and the authors of the government's
own Defense Review have said is essential. And second, you've
got to make it crystal clear that in any conflict
(44:56):
between communist China and the leader of the free world,
we'll be on America's side. Now, we hope that there
will never be any conflict because it would be diabolical,
but the best way to avoid conflict is de terrence
through strength, peace through strength, And we'd be making it
(45:20):
clear not that we're against the Chinese people, but that
in any choice between dictatorship and democracy, we know where
we stand.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Tony, have it be careful with words like that.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
You might find yourself in Washington knocking on Trunk's door
and replacing Kevin Right.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
A pity if you've got that job with you what
all right? Believe it?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
There after the break us primaries for the Liberal Party
in your South Wales. God to help us with that
one plus public servants.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
At a climate conference. Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Let's bring in my panel straightaway, skin is contribute our
former Liberal Party Vice president Tina McQueen and Jared Holland,
the chief executive of the Page Research Center. Help me
understand what's going on in New South Wales amongst the Libs.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Please, Tina.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
A crowd of moderates want US style primaries to help
choose the new Liberal candidates for the future. But in
that it's not just Liberal members who'll get a vote.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
They want Labor and Green's.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Supporters to choose the Liberal I reckon, this is absolutely nuts.
Speaker 16 (46:28):
It's total madness, Peter, I can't believe it being pushed
by Julian Lesso, who's the champion branch stacker so good
at a branch stacking enforced Philibroddock out of his seat.
It's insane. Also the petition that was made public regarding quoters.
I mean, all this give us democracy in New South Wales.
Let every member have a vote and all problems will
(46:49):
be solved. But this is absolute lunacy and if we
continue with this, we will become irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I have to tell you too, A petition that's only
got about five hundred names saying they want female quote
as tells me dead Dodo. No one wants it. No
one that's stupid other than a few moderates.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I suspect. Let's go to other stupidity.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Chris Bowen spending one point five million dollars to take
seventy to five public servants on an aircraft with emissions
all the way to Azerbajan last year. I'll tell you what, Jared,
this is just a gravy train.
Speaker 17 (47:23):
Well, the big irony of all of this, Peter, is
the big takeaway from Baku was that renewables can't do
it all, and if the world wants to decarbonize its
electricity grid, it has to go nuclear. So clearly they
weren't paying much attention and were at the same conference
as everyone else. But now, if this government's priority was
how do we have as cheap electricity as possible, they
might have found themselves at another conference in February in London,
(47:44):
the Art Conference, and heard from the Energy Secretary in
the US Chris Wright talking about how unlocking and harnessing
all of their fossil fuels is the key to getting
prices down, making the grid reliable, and ending energy poverty.
And I think this seems to be where the government
prioritizes if it's actually serious about transfer lives, and it
won't come from performityve aactions conferences in AZERBA Giant.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
You're not wrong, And of course Chris Bayne wants Australia
our hosted and our bill will not be one point
five million.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Let me tell you hell of a lot more than that, Tina.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
This decision by the Fairwell Commission, it's ruled in favor
of the unions against BEHP and it says that the
two hundred labor higher firm mine workers. So these are contractors,
they're not employees. They've all got to have their pay
lifted to the same as someone who is a full
time employee. This could be about thirty thousand dollars per worker.
(48:36):
This is under the.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Whole same job, same pay law regime.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Now business are worry this basically wipes out labor higher firms,
which has long been the holy grail.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Of the unions.
Speaker 16 (48:51):
That's right, Peter look and BHPS may sort of cost
about five thousand jobs. It will also cost you one
point seven billion dollars to all the people that have
shares in BHB, either directly or through their you know,
through their.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Super fun yeh super fund exactly. So this is a tender.
Speaker 16 (49:13):
Constable who's been a great champion of this is absolutely
disgusted with the role. Result is incredibly disappointing and will
change this industry forever.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Let's stay with resources because the investment firm Baron Joey
says the uranium market has exploded because there's a whole
lot of people around the world not here of course,
who want to build nuclear power stations, and that there's
a real shortfall in uranium supply. We're abundant with it,
of course, and it'll make the commodity more expensive, which
is good for Australian exports. But I'll tell you what
(49:46):
not good for our own energy market, Jared. I mean,
you must feel like you bang your head against a
brick wall. I mean, we're going to keep digging it
up like we dig up our coal, like we mind
our gas.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
But we'll ship it for others to use, but not
use it here.
Speaker 17 (50:00):
That's exactly right, Peter, and that's exactly what I was
going to say when you're reading out the story is
there's other commodities that we love to dig up here
and are very happy for others to burn on the
cheap and sell us back the products that we don't
want to touch. Look on the uranium point, I think
what's interesting we just talked about cop the world is
recognizing that energy reliability and especially energy security is going
to be essential coming into the next decade, especially with
(50:21):
all the geopolitical turm world that we've been witnessing around
the world. Nuclear rods they're pretty reliable stuff. You can
stick them in a well, they'll sit there for decades
on end, and then you can pull them out and
then use them when you need them. And so when
other countries aren't blessed with the resources that we have,
it's a really smart way to make sure they're shoring
up their grids. The fact that we're not doing this,
that we're importing solar panels and wind turbines from China
(50:43):
that only last five, ten, fifteen years, or a couple
of years if there's a haalstorm, is absolute madness. But
look hopefully call their heads, prevail and there's still a
couple of hours works for labor to really turn this
around and shure up our country.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Oh, we've wrote them ount which would be the nice
way to go. Thank you to you both. That's it
for me tonight. Up next, Andrew bought with Jeneka to Georgio.
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