April 9, 2025 • 49 mins
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price accuses a domestic violence group of gaslighting aboriginal women, the Greens issue a list of minority government demands. Plus, how Pauline Hanson’s daughter is shaking up the Senate race in Tasmania.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Great to have your company. Here's what's coming up tonight
on Predline, the new South Wales Premier Chris Mins wipe
to smile up Anthony Albanese's face today. I'll show you
what happened in a moment, and we'll also cross lives
to Tasmania. I want you to meet Pauline Hanson's daughter Lee.
She's shaking things up in the Senate race down there
on the Appella. She's taking the fight right up to
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Jackie Lamby. The Greens issue their ransom demands in the
very likely case of a hung Parliament.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
The PM says no deal. I've heard that one before.
But what about all the.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Secret deals labors already doing with the Greens. I'll tell
you about those in a moment. Last's into Namba Jipa Brice.
I know you want to see more of her in
the Cobbeged campaign. She's a superstar, she joins me. Tonight,
We're going to get across a whole lot of issues.
She accused today a very prominent domestic violence group of
gas lighting. Aboriginal Women's answer on gas today is a
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clear contrast to Labour's renewables only energy.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Miss Our gas plan is about getting Australian gas for Australians.
That will bring the price down if we bring more
supply between fifteen one hundred pedidules into the market and
the Prime Minister is not promising to fix any problem.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But first.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
If the Almeneezy Gavin's re elected, most likely reliant on
Green's support, it will do even more damage to our
economic strength and social cohesion. Now that's obvious up to
today's National Press Club speech by Green's letter Adam Band,
where he tabled his party's minimum demands for keeping Anthony
Almenesi in office.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The price of breeds support in a.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hung Parliament will be ending negative gearing for residential housing
and ending the capital gains tax session.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
We will keep Dutton out and get Labor to act
on the cost of living, housing and climate crisis. That
the Greens will make reforming negative gearing in the capital
gains tax discount a priority in the next parliament, including
when there's a minority government.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You don't need me to tell you.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
These are the same policies Bill short And took to
the twenty nineteen election, an election that Labor was expected
to win, but that produced Scott Morrison's miracle victory because
investors saw this as a wealth tax, and because rent
is understood that sending landlords to the wall would do
them more harm than good. Now, when the hawk Keating
government briefly dumped negative gearing in the nineteen eighties, rents skyrocket,
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especially in Sydney in Perth, and that's why it wasn't
long thereafter that they rained it all back. In Australia today,
some two million of US nearly ten percent own an
investment property and one point three million of US claim
and tax benefit from negative gearing because the outgoings on
the property, so that's the interest in other expenses exceed
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the rental income. This includes many young people who actually
rent as themselves, but have bought an investment property in
an area where homes are more affordable.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A far from being billionaires, these are.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Mostly teachers, nurses, tradees, people who have worked hard and
saved to make an investment that will help in their retirement.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Because most of these people are not.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Sophisticated investors with the time or the background to follow
the money markets, they prefer to put their savings into
property because it's an asset they understand, and it's an
asset they can feel and touch. And of that two million,
the vast majority only own one property. That's seventy one percent.
Just nineteen percent own two properties. And the Greens idea
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of those mega millionaire landlords, well that's a lie. Just
six percent, six percent of all landlords own three investment properties.
And yet there's a huge mark of hypocrisy with the
Greens because it's a lot of their MP's in those numbers.
Green's Senator Maureene Ferouki, well, she owns three homes and
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a block of land. Nick McKim Green, senator from Tasmania,
he owns four properties himself. David Schuebridge he's another Green. Well,
he's from New South Wales and he's got three properties
in his name. These are all declared, I might add
on their register, so on the public record. Another senator,
Senator Elizabeth Watson Brown and a friend of hers, Green's
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Penny Almond Pain and Steph Hodgkins may two properties each
for these senators. Now, make no mistake, this is a
direct assault on wealth, a wealth tax. But it's coming
if Labour's re elected. Even if Labour's re elected in
its own right, it will need to find extra sources
of revenue to pay for its big government, big spending promises,
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and many Labour MPs want hire taxes on those they
see as rich. The Greens are also demanding a two
year freeze on rents.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Landlords cannot be allowed to raise the rent by whatever
number they want.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
There has to be limits, and.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
This would extend Labour's new socialism from the energy market
to the housing market, bringing yet more distortions and complications
into our already tortured economy. Now, it's true that rents
have gone up massively by some almost one hundred dollars
a week in Sydney over the past two years. Now,
in part that's landlords, like the rest of us, trying
to cope with rising mortgage costs that have gone up
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on average by twenty thousand dollars under the Prime Minister,
plus all the state tax hikes like land tax in Victoria.
But this is more a matter of supply and demand
than capitalist greed, is claimed by the Greens. Council rules
make new developments too hard and too expensive, and because
Germany and Australians do doubtful courses at UNI rather than
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get a useful trade building costs in this country have
gone through the roof, where immigration too is running in
half a million a year, with every one of those
new migrants needing a place to leave. Well, of course
rents of skyrocketing, but the last thing the Greens or
Labor will do is cut immigration, because it's the business
model of the university, is the back the political left,
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and because it's the economic model of failing state and
federal labor governments that are allergic to giving people economic
freedom and raining and spending. Last night at the People's Forum,
the Prime Minister played down the significance of this ransom
note from the Greens, saying he didn't do deals, you'll
take their votes.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Won't do deals?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Is that a fair way to.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
There'll be no deals with the Greens by me after
the election.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well that's a lie because the fact is he's doing
deals already now with the Greens on preferences right now.
The fact is he's already hostage to Adam Bant because
dozens of Labour's MP's have only got there into Parliament
thanks to Green preferences. If the PM's really serious in
his opposition to the Greens, and his claims that they
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are an extremist party. He'll do what Peter Dutton's already
done and put them last. Otherwise, all that will save
us from the Green Left's wealth taxes is to change
the government.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Let's swing around the campaigns.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
We'll start tonight with Anthony Albanese's day on the campaign trail,
spending most of it as we know in Sydney following
last night's People's Forum, joining me in our political reporter,
the wonderful cam Redden.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now, can you've switched buses?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You've gone from Peter Dutton's bus to the Prime minister's
and the PM was out today with another very popular premier,
glu to his hip. But it wasn't all sunshine and smiles,
was it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Let's take a look.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Chris Mins is a great premier and he's doing a
great job.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
I think that Peter Dutton's policy is very different For
a range of public service jobs.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You can't do them remotely.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
We want public service to spend the majority of the
week in the workplace. We're not going to change our
policy and the Prime Minister has been clear and consistent
about his policy and I think that's very a key
choice for voters in the election campaign. You know where
I stand, you know where the PM stands.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
There's some discourse there on work from home Peter of course,
the new South Wales Labor Premier there Chris men saying well,
our policy is slightly different from Peter Duttons because we
want most working from home. Peter Duttons was about all
the public servants working from home. So that's how they're
trying to weave in amongst the details there. But you're right,
Peter today really did look like something of confidence on
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full show from the Prime Minister. He won that debate
last night the People's Forum. He's clearly wanting to be
seen as being on a bit of a winning ticket.
Out next to not just the Premier today but also
the Environment Minister Tania Plivsk for the first time this
campaign he was shouldered to shoulder but just Cintra Allen
just a couple of days ago. So perhaps trying to
allay some of those concerns internally, can we get the
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Prime Minister out with these people. He was out there
with Tania Piliver sect today even Clovermore, the somewhat polarizing
Lord Mayor of Sydney. In some parts of New South
Wales she's viewed very differently to how she is in
the city, but popular in those parts. Peter, this was
clearly all about just being seen to be amongst the people.
He feels like he's got the win at his back
at the moment, got the win last night. Feels like
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he's had a bit of a gift with in terms
of the work from home back down from the coalition.
So that will be the thinking where we are here
now in Cans. The Prime Minister wants to be seen
to be on the attack. He believes in this camp,
believes that a majority government is not completely off the
table yet it will be difficult. They will need to
win seats and that's why they're here in the seat
of Leichhart, which remember it's only three and a half
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percent and has only been held by Warren Ensch when
it comes to a Liberal National member in recent years
since twenty ten. Yes, in his hands, but it's been
labor previous years before that. So they think with his
retirement they're a shot here, still a tough chance to
get to majority, Peter, but they're not losing hope given
that they've had their wind at the back for the
last few days.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
We'll enjoy beautiful can certainly warmer than where I am now,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Thanks Cam.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
All right, let's go out of the Opposition leader's day.
Joining me now political reporter Ruben Spargo. Well, this is
your first time on the campaign trail, Ruben, how did
you go with Peter Dutton today and what were his moves?
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Good evening, Peter, yes, it is the Opposition leader started
his day in Western Sydney. He was selling his National
Gas Plan, telling voters it will progressively lower household energy bills.
We know Peter Dutton took a tour of blue Scope Steel,
a factory and the seat.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Of McMahon, the electorate held by the Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
Manufacturers like blue Scope also a seeking relief with gas.
We know by new frontier economic mode, Linam, we can
show you the numbers here that it will reduce industrial
retail gas bills by fifteen percent and see seven percent
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shaved from household gas costs. It would also lead to
a three percent cut in residential electricity prices.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Peter.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
As you know, energy policy was a major feature of
last night's Sky News debate and part of a broader
conversation around cost of living, as voters aside who's best,
who can best help. Then we're now in the heart
of Melbourne, after traveling this afternoon on a plane, the
next official stop for Peter Dutton.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Thanks very much, Rebin right.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Lots to get across elsewhere around the country. Let's do
that now, National Affairs editor the Daily Telegraph. Of course,
Sky News host James Morrow, and I've sen your reporter
from Sydney, Carolyn Marcus. I'm going to get into the Greens,
but let me start James Morrow, if I can with you.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I was very.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Surprised last night watching that debate and when you a
good hour before it commenced, Peter Dutton's father had been
rushed to hospital. We were told it was incredibly serious.
The rumors came around it was something akin to a
heart attack, which of course has been confirmed today. I
was really surprised that the Prime Minister didn't say something
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in solidarity with the opposition leader at the top of
the program.
Speaker 11 (12:25):
Well, my understanding is that they had a sort of
agreement made to not mention it, and that they decided
that they would just simply keep that out of the
discussion off the stage. But I do have to say
that having been delivered that very scary news, Peter Dutton
did a remarkable job of I think focusing, directing whatever
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you know, nervous energy and worry he would have understandably
had about his dad towards getting a very good outcome
in that debate. And I think his performance, you know,
which was has focused and on point and on message,
and I think we've seen from Peter since the start
of the year really reflected that, well.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Let's go to the Greens.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It felt like back to the future today, back to
the Bill Shorten era of twenty nineteen, when all those
policies sunk his campaign. The Greens are saying the price
of doing a deal with them will be the end
of the capital gains tax discount, the end of negative gearing,
blanket freezes on rental property increases. Of course, that's as
well as their demands to end or fossil fuels and mining.
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The PM got a bit tetchy when he was asked
questions about the Greens and doing deals and a whole
range of things.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 12 (13:36):
Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
capital gains, taxes.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
How hard is it for the fiftieth time.
Speaker 12 (13:43):
Using this negotiations with the Greens in horses former government no,
in horse trading devotes and other matters.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 12 (13:53):
Sorry, the Greens come to you and you need their
vote to pass legislation, will you rule out changing negative
gearing settings and capital gains?
Speaker 11 (14:01):
Yes? And you might have noticed.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
I mean you're a state correspondent. But let me explain.
There are twenty five guys we have in the Senate
in order to get legislation through. We're in that situation,
have been in that situation for this entire term.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
As I said, he got a pretty tetch she there.
He doesn't like these questions.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Labour's got form. We remember everything with Julia Gillard. James,
of course she.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Did a deal.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
He's splitting hairs here because when he says I won't
do a deal, what are he's thinking about and talking about?
There is a formal coalition now. They didn't do that
with Gillard either. They have what's called an alliance on
the left and we know they're doing deals because they're
doing deals on preferences as we speak tonight.
Speaker 11 (14:48):
Well, yeah, that's right, and you know, there is so
much in that answer there that needs to be parissed.
I mean, number one, the tetchiness with which the Prime
Minister dealt with that reporter. Oh you're a state reporter,
so maybe you don't know all that much. Well gee,
that's really sort of touchy and clever. They're Prime minister.
And then you know the whole thing he says, but well, hey, look,
you know, we didn't do deals in the Senate. But
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of course the fact is, you know, you don't need
a majority in the Senate to hold power. You only
need the majority in the House of Representatives. So for
him to say, well, we didn't do it in the Senate,
we won't do it in the House is really disingenuous
because what it all comes down to here is the
Greens are a radical party with a radical agenda. Labor
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wants to hold power and you know their motto, whatever
it takes. The Greens know that if they get the
whip head here, Labor will have to come to the
table just as they did in twenty ten, and it'll
come to much worse endings because the Greens are far
more radical now under Adam Bett than they were. We
have to be honest about it under Bob Brown fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Caroline, we'll go to another ridshi because I think this
is really relevant. The Defense Minister, Richard Miles, who will
not confirm he wants to even stay in the portfolio.
He had a whack at Andrew Hasty, who a might
add as water uniform. Miles has not after Hasty refused
to walk back comments he made in twenty eighteen arguing
that women should be barred from serving in combat roles
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in the ADF.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Have a listen.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
It is utterly untenable that the alternative Defense Minister of
this country has a view that women should not be
serving in combat roles.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Now, I want to underscore the point here.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
We're talking about frontline combat roles which require certain physical attributes.
There was an ex commando who called into radio this
morning in Melbourne Radio three to aw and he pointed
out the blinding office. But I think it's important to
listen to this.
Speaker 13 (16:47):
I've got the greatest respect for women in uniform. They
can do all sorts of things. But in a combat unit,
if I'm unconscious or wounded and they have to carry
me off the battlefield, well, I'm six foot three in
a wayhundred and ten kilos more with all mcgearon, they
are unlikely to carry me over their shoulder off the battlefield.
If I'm unconscious in the hatch of an armored vehicle,
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they're unlikely to be able to reach down and pull
me out of the burning vehicle. So my safety is
compromised and my mate safety is compromised unless they can
do that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Caroline, I don't think the Libs will want to be
distracted by this. They need to stay on cost of living.
But it's hard not to agree with both Andrew Hasty,
as I say, someone who's been there and that commando
on radio, this isn't about gender per se.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
This is about strength.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And if you're a bloke who couldn't lift another man
who's one hundred and ten kilos, well, similarly you wouldn't
make the grade.
Speaker 14 (17:40):
It's inarguable hitter from a biological perspective. And I've just
done an entire documentary about why biological males the arguments
for keeping them out of women's board, and it's a
similar argument here. If you've had the advantages of male puberty,
you've had the surge of testosterone, it makes you wrong
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and it makes you faster, and so it goes without
should go without saying that you're better suited to those
combat roles. And good on Andrew Hasty for not coming
out with a usual apology over these or non apology
over historical comments that he made seven years ago. But
I have to say, I think the Liberal Party opened
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themselves up to this exact kind of attack by disendorsing
a candidate, Benjamin Britten, when he said the ADF needed
to remove females from camp combat corpse. And you know,
from my perspective, that shouldn't have been a cancelable offense.
And as soon as the Liberal Party decided to walk
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away from their candidate for those comments, which are not
that different from Andrew Hasty's which seemed perfectly reasonable, they
did open themselves up to these exact kind of attacks
for similar statements made by other members of the party.
What they should have done is stood by him, said
it's not our policy, or we're not changing our policy
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to remove women from these combat roles, or perhaps they
should have looked into doing that, but instead they made
it a thing. And that's why they've left open Andrew
Hasty and others to potential attacks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I think James Mora just simple to have a test
and very few women. I'm over six foot and six
foot one. There's no way I could lift a bloke
six foot four and you know, struggle across a battlefield
with him is over one hundred.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Kilos in no way. Now, just make it about the.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Physical attributes that you need, and they all myself select
in my view.
Speaker 11 (19:41):
Yeah, look, I think that's right. But you know, and
again it is about the physical attributes here. I mean,
you know, these guys who go into combat, these are
seriously strong guys, and I would never be able to
do one tenth of the things that they do, you know,
So all respect to them, But there's also this sort
of way he well, yeah, look, anything heavier than a
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case of whine. I'm struggling. But you know, the fact
is is that it's also this labor sort of leftist
idea that the ADF is about social engineering first, right,
and winning wars and defending the nation second. So I
think that introducing this whole issue is really about their
social goals. It's not about defending the country, and that
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that's all I care about when it comes to the ADF.
Can they defend the country.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Spot on, spot on.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I guess the risk is that they will that they
will moderate the tests and moderate the rules and apply
a discount factor to some that are not physically up
to it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And that's what we don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Hey, revelations today that in just four years, on the
current trajectory we're headed on, labor will be spending more
than thirty thousand dollars per person, which would be a
per capita record unsustainable. James, we've talked a lot about
these tariffs, trumps, trade tariffs, no sign they're raising up.
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And this blue too between Musk and Navarro showing things
a pretty testy in the White House.
Speaker 11 (21:11):
Well, yeah, look, that's what's really really interesting. Elon Musk
has taken out over the chief trade negotiator there, Peter Navarro.
It's interesting he's called him, well, he called them something
I'm not going to repeat on air because the Family Program.
But it was one of those sort of Muski and
puns that don't quite rise to the level of Noel Coward.
Let's just say. But Peter Navarro, I also understand, is
the one who wanted to deny Australia an exemption from
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the ten percent tariff, so you know, maybe Australia will
suddenly be t musk on that one, But in terms
of our own situation here, that's thirty thousand dollars figures
in an absolute indictment. And you know, given how we
know that it's only the top forty percent of taxpayers
who pay any tax at all. Our economy is so
unbalanced and this government has done so much in the
last three years, you know, spending all of its time
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trying to get Sony on Blanc on Shanghai dinner tables,
when they should have been working on whereas to protect
our economy and get us into other markets well before taris.
But we all knew the China thing was unsustainable. This
is once again we need some sort of change, in
a reset on the wather we operate this economy, because
an ever bigger government and ever less productivity is a
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road to ruin.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Caroline.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Just back to the Greens, I spent some time on
their website today looking into a number of their candidates.
I think got some pictures to show you the current
crop and their backgrounds. As much as I can read,
it's pretty sanitized on the website, but I went through
digging around, you know, googling their names and seeing their
true histories.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You've got to hope that.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Australians are digging into these people before they trade their
votes in the Lower House or the Upper House, even
preference flows to the Greens.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Well, look, I mean, what can I say?
Speaker 14 (22:52):
They look perhaps like typical Greens voters or Greens candidates
what you'd almost expect, but that certainly they don't seem
largely to be representative perhaps of their communities. I noticed
another Greens candidate called Avery Howard. We haven't showed them
on screen, and I say them because that's the pronow
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that Avery Howard likes to use running in the scene
of Fowler. That's the Southwest Sydney seat that I've looked
at in this campaign. It's a low socioeconomic seat that's
currently held by the independent Mpdly. But the Greens candidate
describes themselves as non binary, an anti poverty advocate and
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retail worker. Purple head again seems to be a theme there,
the rainbow colored hair. And then apparently they were shocked
when they received a torrent of abuse based on their
looks and the gender identity, which is they shouldn't be
getting that kind of abuse, but it doesn't seem to
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be very representative of the communities that there's standing up for,
I mean foul in particular sixteen percent Vietnamese demographic. There
are just I don't know where they find some of
these candidates, but they.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Certainly do stick out like a sore thumb sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Hey, you're not wrong. We've got a picture there of
Avery Maya. People in Sydney is scrambling to find it
to put you up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
But just to reinforce your point that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The presentation of the Greens candidate list, if I could
call it, that comes across as basically a whole lot
of activists and less about community representation, which is what
you would expect as voters. Thank you both for your time.
We'll leave it there after the break. I know you
want to see her out on the campaign trail. We
all do, don't we, And she'll join us in a moment.
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The wonderful just into namphagypre Price plus a woman looking
to give Jackie Lamby a run for her money in Tasmania.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Still the carm the Renewables House of Cars down as
yet another government scraps their targets the first In recent days,
the daughter of One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, has announced
that she'll run for the Senate in Tasmania. Lee Hanson
hopes to offer a fresh face for the party and
a way forward to Tasmanians, who she says are constantly overlooked.
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Her outspoken Bambi is of course a famous Queensland and
Lee's lived in Tazzy for about the last thirteen years
and she joins me now from the capital of Hobart. Lee,
welcome to the program that they say politicians choose the
public life victor their family members.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Certainly don't.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Your mum's been a firebrand. She's copped her fair share.
You are, now, though, putting your hand up to go
into the lions den.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 15 (25:49):
I've asked myself that, Peter, But no, it's time. It's
time that I need to stand up and have a voice,
fight for my children's future and my community men this
future as well.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So it can't have been easy because most people go
into politics, as you know, Pollyanna, they don't understand the
ups and the downs. There are plenty of ups, absolutely,
but there are big, big downs and you've seen those firsthand.
So you're going in with your eyes wide open. What
is driving this decision? What's got so under your collar
down in Tasmania that you're putting your hand up.
Speaker 15 (26:25):
Yeah, I've reached a point where as I said, I'm
a mother of two young children and I'm actually really
concerned about the future of my children. I in the
thirteen years plus that I've been in Tasmania, I've seen
enormous change and it has me greatly concerned. You know,
everything from education systems, through to the health system, through
the unaffordable cost of living, housing accessibility and affordability, amongst
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other things. And I do not see or have faith
in the current politicians down here. I do not feel
that they adequately represent our state. You could ask any
of your of the community members down here to name
at least three of their members of Parliament and they'd
be pressed to name those three sore. If we do
not know who they are, it means they're not representing us.
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So it's time that I put my hand up and
try to represent my community members.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
What I always notice, and I make the point, you're
up against Jackie Lamby obviously and everyone else who's running.
But what I noticed about her is that Lambi tends
to front the election campaigns talking and sounding like a conservative,
but the moment she gets to Canberra, she more often
than not votes with the Greens and with Labor. Now
do you think Tasmanians have picked that up.
Speaker 15 (27:40):
I think they've definitely seen it. They've recognized that. For example,
the salmon industry is a big hot topic down here
at the moment, and I know that Jackie and the
Greens have been invited to do a tour and to
come and understand the salmon industry, and to my knowledge,
she's not taking them up on that offer, but was
happy to vote down and represent or boycott the salmon industry.
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Unlike myself, I've actually asked for a tour and accepted
a tour later in this week because I want to
understand the issues. I want to understand how I can
help and support.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Your mum speaks her mind, She's famous for it. I mean,
do you agree with everything your mum's got to say?
Will you be your own woman in the Senate if.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You get there.
Speaker 15 (28:23):
Look, my mum has raised me with fantastic family values,
so of course I have a lot of those values
and strengths that my mum has to offer and agree
with absolutely what she has to say. However, as a
new age generation or new generation, I do test my
mum's thinking like any child tests the older generation or
their parent.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
You know.
Speaker 16 (28:44):
I offer a.
Speaker 15 (28:44):
Different perspective and new perspective the new challenges of raising
children in today's era as well.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So sure we have debate, but it's good debate. It's
healthy debate. It's so we can.
Speaker 15 (28:56):
Actually see each other's perspective and come out with a
better solution or better ideas. So it's healthy, it's positive.
I am my own woman, but I respect and have
a lot of fantastic qualities and characteristics that my mother
offers as well.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, you're very articulate, I have to say, Lee, And
I know the Greens think your mum has been a
thorn in their side for probably about two decades now.
I'm sure that hopes she retires at some stage, but
they won't be happy to know that you're putting your
hand up.
Speaker 15 (29:26):
Well, I'm here to represent everybody, so yes, I can
imagine some might see me as a thorn in their
side because I equally stand up and have a voice
and fight for what I'm passionate for and my colleagues
and community members. But I also offer collaboration and that's
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the key for me. I want to work with everybody.
I don't care who you are or what your background is.
I will work with everybody to get better outcomes for Tasmanians.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Right, good luck, Lee, love you to speak to you tonight,
or let's get some other issues. This is where we
come into the wonderful Justenter Price, an anti domestic violence
organization which gets more than twenty million dollars in taxpayer
funding for the federal government, has been called out by
Senator Price today after it apparently told journalists not to
suggest that violence was part of indigenous culture.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
The group's called Our Watch. They call themselves.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Leaders in the Primary Prevention of Violence against Women and
all of.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
That's very important.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
But if you have a look at their website, it's
pretty clear the wheels are coming off this argument. One
of the guidelines for reporting for the media on indigenous
based violence advisors journalists not to quote, and this is
I'm quoting them suggest violence is part of indigenous culture.
Senator just Into Namjiba Price. She is the Shadow Minister
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for Indigenous Australians. She thinks this is rubbish, and she
joins me, Now you've come out very strongly against this organization.
You don't like this claim that says violence is not
a part of Indigenous culture. You say the statistics are
really clear, and you've even called for a review of
their funding.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (31:09):
Look, you know, I think this is a really important
area where Indigenous women, particularly in the Northern Territory, victims
of domestic and family violence in vast numbers, and the
perpetrators are predominantly Indigenous men, and our Watch, the way
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our Watch has approached this issue has concerned me for
quite a long time. Now. I know that my own mother,
when she was previously in government here in the Northern Territory,
attempted to have conversations with our Watch about her own
lived experience as a warpery woman who was traditionally promised
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to be married in a polygamous marriage as a second wife,
and was also subject to domestic and family and has
witnessed it all her life, as has been my lived experience.
And so what's deeply concerning is that our Watch are
very selective as to who they are listening to in
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this space about this issue, and they are funded a
lot of money from the federal government to carry out
a job responsible for reducing violence against Indigenous women, and
yet they're failing from the outset.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Now you called it gas lighting.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Today you're saying they're gas lighting the experience of Aboriginal women.
And someone in the media, my colleague in the NT,
Matt Cunningham, has reported on this for many, many years
and feels very deeply about these issues. He's not one
in the media who's going to read from their script either.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Have a listen.
Speaker 18 (32:47):
You know, more than eighty women have been killed in
the Northern Territory in domestic violence incidents in the past
two decades, and I think about seventy eight of those
women are Aboriginal and the vast majority of the perpetrators
in those cases Aboriginal men. We've seen an eighty two
percent increase over the last eight years in violence against
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women domestic violence in the Northern Territory. Again, the vast
majority of the victims are Aboriginal women and the vast
majority of the perpetrators are Aboriginal men.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And if we don't have a factual conversation, Justina, we
will never turn this around.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
No we won't.
Speaker 17 (33:29):
And you know, a recent rally that was held in
Our Springs that I attended, had the representative, the indigenous
representative of our Watch, speak to the crowd and tell
you know, and she's not from Ala Springs or Central
Australia or the Northern Territory. In fact, tell the crowd
those who know that customary law that involves violent payback
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exists in traditional culture, but dictate to us that it
doesn't exist in our own traditional culture. And in fact,
this young woman is a former staffer to Adam Bant.
You know, this is straight out of the Greens playbook,
infantilizing Indigenous Australians, denying reality and effectively doing nothing to
help support the situation on the ground.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And it's not good enough.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Let's go to the vexed issue of the Macarata Commission,
you know, the truth telling, the treaty, the voice, which
hasn't gone away. Twenty seven million dollars has been in
the budget for all of these measures.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
People have pursued.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
This in estimates, we can't get a clear answer where
the money is, whether it's being shoved into the contingency
reserve or put into some other program. Now, we're all
about to vote in a few weeks time. Australians throughout
the voice. Why won't Labor give us a really clear response?
Here is the voice steal in play? Is Macarata still
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in play? And what about the treaty because if they're
not telling us that means.
Speaker 14 (34:54):
It is.
Speaker 17 (34:57):
Look exactly right, we don't know what is going on
with the Albanese government. Evidently they've not heard the wishes
of the Australian people. When they put that referendum to us,
they talked about the principles of the Ularu Statement, which
were truth, treaty and voice, and part of that was
this Macarata Commission.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Now, the Prime Minister at the previous.
Speaker 17 (35:22):
Election made a raft of election promises and never actually
kept those promises. So basically we do not know what
this government would do if they won the election again.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
We don't know.
Speaker 17 (35:36):
Basically they have been absolutely opaque in Senate estimates with
regard to Makarata, the twenty seven million dollars that they
supposedly put in a contingency and what direction they're going
to take it in, always going back to speaking about
the values and holding true to those values while Australians.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
They smoke loud and clear.
Speaker 17 (35:59):
They said they don't want this separatist approach and we
shouldn't continue to go.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Down that path.
Speaker 17 (36:05):
And as a result, they have failed to address anything
in the Indigenous affairs space with any kind of practical,
common sense way forward to improve the lives of marginalized
Indigenous Australians.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And look, if we want to know what Labour's agenda is,
look at the left in Victoria, look at the left
faction which controls the state. They've got a truth telling
commission down there, the ARUK Truth Telling Inquiry. It's all
part of the preparatory work for a treaty in Victoria.
And they've taken valuations of all the land that's owned
by churches in Victoria, Catholic, Anglican and all the other
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Christian churches. They've come up with a figure that the
land's worth about three billion dollars and this is part
of their sums in terms of compensation. So this is
being set up. It's not just governments paying compensations, you center,
but private entities like churches and sporting clubs go god forbid.
Private homeowners forced to pay compensation under a treaty.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
This is exactly right.
Speaker 17 (37:09):
This is what you can come to expect under weak
labor governments. They want to be everybody's friend, they want
to say yes to everybody. They don't want to be
seen as racist. And in the meantime, this whole process
toward treaty is turning into just a rent seeking activity
and that is exactly what is going on in Victoria.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
At the moment.
Speaker 17 (37:31):
I mean, seriously, if we treated everybody as Australians, if
we supported those on the basis of need, we would
avoid situations like this as opposed to blanketing everybody who
is of indigenous heritage in this country. And by the way,
in the last census there was an increase of twenty
five percent new individuals who tick that box for the
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first time. So basically people know that there are ways
to be able to gain a few x extra opportunities
out of being able to identify as Indigenous, and that's
a huge concern for the indigenous community as well.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But this is what you can come to expect.
Speaker 17 (38:09):
As I said, from a week labor government, they're prepared
to throw in Victoria all other Victorians under the bus.
And these are the demands that are coming out from
this process and it will not stop there. It won't
stop there. They want separatism, They want to make demands
on Australian people. They expect to be compensated. I mean,
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we're living in Australia in twenty twenty five. There's plenty
of opportunity. This is the country of opportunity, the land
of opportunity. Make it for yourself without trying to take
it from others.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
My audience, I can hear them, just into this say
al la lujah. We've missed her voice of common sense.
Just into Navigeper Price on the campaign trail. Peter Utton
needs you throw everything at it for the next four weeks.
Just center and we can turn the country around with
a change of government. Thank you for joining us tonight.
There you guys need a din't we.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
There?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
She is on a fire after the break the state
that's followed the nt to our scrap renewables targets as
it blows up Chris Bowen's emissions strategy, plus a huge
figure in Australia's intellectual life sadly passes away. Heyoshen to
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add that her autobiography is still in the top ten
reads in Australia in terms of bestseller list.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So that's fantastic. Kelvirich is of course coming up.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
It's Wednesday, but first my panel, let's bring them in
Chief Executive of the Page Institute Jared Holland and Sai
your fellow at the Mensis Research Center. Columnist too, with
the Australian Nick Keta, gentlemen, welcome. I've got to start
with some sad us tonight.
Speaker 17 (39:43):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'm afraid the great historian Keith Win Shuttle has sadly died.
Has been a huge figure, as you know, in the
intellectual debate in Australia. I'm on the board of Quadrant
magazine and he of course was the editor in chief
for fifteen years. A fearless man fears intellect Nick. This
is a big loss, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It is fearless, as you say, intellectually fearless. He would
take on arguments and battles that some of us would
shrink away from. He ran, in particular the long series
on the fabrication of Aboriginal history, trying to cut through
all the nonsense on that, and he was I think
a Quadrant very instrumental in building the intellectual case against
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the Voice, which allowed people like you and just enterprice
you've seen to come and make a cogent persuasive case.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And of course let's not forget.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
That he defended Cardinal George pell He recognized the mistrial
when he saw one. He presented a book about the
mistrial and how helped been persecuted. And he would prove
to be right on that. So a great loss, as
you say, and he leaves a tremendous legacy.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Hellwock, you're not wrong on the Voice either.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I went back on a plain Dallas Springs actually and
read a lot of his essays on our aboriginal separatism
and other things that were moving around in terms of policy,
and they were hugely instructive. Let's go to energy. We'll
start with Queensland. Of course, there was a decision by
the L ANDP government. We know this has happened in
the NT JURED. This is the first AID government to
scrap renewable targets across the board. So no more fifty
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percent renewables by twenty thirty in Queensland, no more seventy
percent by twenty thirty two, no eighty percent by twenty
thirty five. They absolutely mean business. We saw as I said,
this happened in the NT now it's happening in Queensland.
This is a big spanner in the works dured for
the labor federal agenda.
Speaker 16 (41:43):
Well, the federal agenda was never going to hit the
targets that they set out in the first place. The
fact is we still rely on reliable coal as our
base load power. It still makes up sixty to seventy
percent of our day in, day out energy needs. And
I think Queensland is doing the right thing, as has
the NT, as is the US, as is China, as
is Indonesia, Vietnam. The list goes on of nations who
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are realizing it is not worth the industrializing and continuing
to push up power prices in the pursuit of ideological fantasies.
And my hope and prayer is that our federal leaders
wake up and realize come to the same conclusion.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
And of course, Nick the modeling that labor had that
this whole house of cards rests on. The Prime Minister
has disown that modeling. That modeling underpins everything we are
still doing. They have en update of the modeling. There's
not new modeling out there, but we're still going down
the path based on modeling they say isn't tenable.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean famously. Of course he's got the two
hundred and seventy five dollars off our electricity bills wrong.
But in ditching the model modeling, Albanize is also ditching
the underpinning of the whole twenty thirty targets. The idea
that we can get to eighty two percent clean power
on the grid by twenty thirty came entirely out of
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this now disreputable report by Reputecs. So he hasn't announced
he's going to change the policy. So on what basis
are we doing this? I mean, how do they know
we can do it? Since the modeling they relied upon
has been thrown out the window. I think this is
really a disaster for al Benisi. They have to change direction,
but of course they're not going to do it in
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the heat of an election.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
At some talk last week about you know this Chinese sparship,
the research ship, research ship they call it.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
What was it doing in our vicinity?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Was it trawling for signal information you know, out of
the sky in terms of our communications reports today? That
was actually surveying the Diamontena Trench near western Australia and
possibly charting a course on the floor of the ocean
in relation to submarine activities. So if they were to
bring submarines down here where they would move submarines through.
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These are experts out there today giving us its information.
If this is the case, this is very serious.
Speaker 16 (44:06):
It is Peter. There's an old saying that we might
not be interested in war, but war is very interested
in us. We are living through some of the most
dangerous and turbulent times geopolitically since the Cold War, since
the Second World War, and this directly impacts us in
our region in the South Pacific. There is obviously a
great power conflict between China and the US, and both
of those actors are very keen to see where we
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stand and where our supply chains will lie, where our
abundance of resources will lie. In China, they're sending a
warning shot. They're letting us know they can get to us,
that we have been found toothless so far and responding
to that. And they're also testing to see what kind
of political will is there for us domestically to start
to ramp up our own industrial capacity. Look at our
fuel security, look at our energy security, and look at
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our defense spending, and so far again our leaders have
been found lacking.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Nick.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
This one concerns me. Sydney's La Camber Mosque is.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Lodged application to be able to broadcast the Muslim call
to prayer over loud speakers every Friday before midday. The
documents say the call of prayer is similar to those
of church bells on a Sunday morning for Mass. Now
that's fine in a Judeo Christian country such as Australia,
where you hear church bells, but the call to prayer
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is something I've only ever heard when I've been in
the Middle East, when I've been in places like India, India, sorry,
Indonesia or elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
How do you think the community is going to respond?
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I just think they'll be very troubled by this, Peter.
I mean, it's not at all like church bells, church
bells or peeling of church bells. When it's done well
as it is at my church, is a beautiful thing.
People love that sound. This is a I'm sorry to
say it a faintly haunting kind of sound to me too, Peter,
because we associate it with all sorts of things abroad.
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I just don't like this idea at all that you
can come in and change our culture, change our environment.
We have to do away with words like Easter, you know,
with schools are now not celebrating Easter. They don't have
the Easter bunny anymore. It's just the bunny.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
This is wrong. We are a judo Christian country that
we're at. That is our heritage. We should be proud
of it. We welcome people from all over the world
of whatever faith are nune, but we are primarily a
Christian country.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, and I understand this is the first time a
request has been made of this scale. So once I
have to say one council, it proves that it'll be
something that'll be rolled out elsewhere. So I think this is,
you know, a bit of a line in the sand. Gents,
Thank you all right, after break, plenty of words to
get through. Kel Richards, welcome Bank joining me as he
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does every Wednesday, the wonderfil Kel Richards.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Kel.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I love our viewers because they help me enormously on
all manner of things, but on this particular issue of
how to I mean, get people to really understand the
scale of some of the numbers we talk about in
government spending, we get some advice. So this one, this
bit of advice comes from Mark from Sale. I think
it's fantastic. He says, a really helpful way of trying
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to grasp the big numbers that politicians toss around is
to think of it in terms of time.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Take us through.
Speaker 19 (47:24):
That's right, Yes, well this is a great idea because,
as we said last week, Peter, it's hard to understand
the big numbers. One thousand seconds is approximately sixteen minutes.
So that we understand that, we can picture that one
million seconds is eleven days. Now, going from sixteen minutes
to eleven days, this is exponential. This is multiplication. One
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billion seconds is thirty one years. That's how fast it
starts to go go up exponentially. In fact, we know
people of Peter who are not yet thirty one years
of age. You've not yet been alive for one billion seconds.
But if you get to one trillion, a trillion is
thirty one thousand years. In other words, if we had
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a debt of one trillion dollars and paid it off
at one dollar per second, it would take us thirty
one thousand years to pay it off tho. It's a
great image, but it just gives usselves small grip on
a big number.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I think that's fantastic that we all have to understand
this because you know, when I started working in politics,
million was a lot of money. Now millions hardly used.
It's billion and billions, tens of billions, hundreds of billions
of those numbers are thrown around like confetti, particularly in
a campaign. Staying with campaigns, one of our Melbourne viewers
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wants to know, how do we explain the origin of
the word core flute, which, of course to those political
posters we see on everyone's front fence at the moment.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
This is our word.
Speaker 19 (48:57):
Only in Australia are political science called core flute, and
that's because it started as a trademark put out by
corex Plastics Australia in Melbourne in nineteen seventy. They call
them core flute because they are a clever invention to
flatsheets with a corrugated or fluted bridge in the middle
to keep it rigid. So it was their company name.
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Now that's become a generic word, you know, like that's
happened to lots of words like Hoover, and Biro and
heaps of them. I don't think they've objected because it
promotes their company, but only in Australia political science called
core flutes. Everywhere else they're just called annoying.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think, ah, pretty annoying here too, Thanks very much, Kelsey.
Next week, all right, have you've got words for Kelsendan
through oswords, dot net, dot com, dot au.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
That's it for me, see tomorrow. He's Andrew
Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Great to have your company. Here's what's coming up tonight
on Predline, the new South Wales Premier Chris Mins wipe
to smile up Anthony Albanese's face today. I'll show you
what happened in a moment, and we'll also cross lives
to Tasmania. I want you to meet Pauline Hanson's daughter Lee.
She's shaking things up in the Senate race down there
on the Appella. She's taking the fight right up to
(00:28):
Jackie Lamby. The Greens issue their ransom demands in the
very likely case of a hung Parliament.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
The PM says no deal. I've heard that one before.
But what about all the.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Secret deals labors already doing with the Greens. I'll tell
you about those in a moment. Last's into Namba Jipa Brice.
I know you want to see more of her in
the Cobbeged campaign. She's a superstar, she joins me. Tonight,
We're going to get across a whole lot of issues.
She accused today a very prominent domestic violence group of
gas lighting. Aboriginal Women's answer on gas today is a
(01:02):
clear contrast to Labour's renewables only energy.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Miss Our gas plan is about getting Australian gas for Australians.
That will bring the price down if we bring more
supply between fifteen one hundred pedidules into the market and
the Prime Minister is not promising to fix any problem.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But first.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
If the Almeneezy Gavin's re elected, most likely reliant on
Green's support, it will do even more damage to our
economic strength and social cohesion. Now that's obvious up to
today's National Press Club speech by Green's letter Adam Band,
where he tabled his party's minimum demands for keeping Anthony
Almenesi in office.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The price of breeds support in a.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hung Parliament will be ending negative gearing for residential housing
and ending the capital gains tax session.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
We will keep Dutton out and get Labor to act
on the cost of living, housing and climate crisis. That
the Greens will make reforming negative gearing in the capital
gains tax discount a priority in the next parliament, including
when there's a minority government.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You don't need me to tell you.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
These are the same policies Bill short And took to
the twenty nineteen election, an election that Labor was expected
to win, but that produced Scott Morrison's miracle victory because
investors saw this as a wealth tax, and because rent
is understood that sending landlords to the wall would do
them more harm than good. Now, when the hawk Keating
government briefly dumped negative gearing in the nineteen eighties, rents skyrocket,
(02:35):
especially in Sydney in Perth, and that's why it wasn't
long thereafter that they rained it all back. In Australia today,
some two million of US nearly ten percent own an
investment property and one point three million of US claim
and tax benefit from negative gearing because the outgoings on
the property, so that's the interest in other expenses exceed
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the rental income. This includes many young people who actually
rent as themselves, but have bought an investment property in
an area where homes are more affordable.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A far from being billionaires, these are.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Mostly teachers, nurses, tradees, people who have worked hard and
saved to make an investment that will help in their retirement.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Because most of these people are not.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Sophisticated investors with the time or the background to follow
the money markets, they prefer to put their savings into
property because it's an asset they understand, and it's an
asset they can feel and touch. And of that two million,
the vast majority only own one property. That's seventy one percent.
Just nineteen percent own two properties. And the Greens idea
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of those mega millionaire landlords, well that's a lie. Just
six percent, six percent of all landlords own three investment properties.
And yet there's a huge mark of hypocrisy with the
Greens because it's a lot of their MP's in those numbers.
Green's Senator Maureene Ferouki, well, she owns three homes and
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a block of land. Nick McKim Green, senator from Tasmania,
he owns four properties himself. David Schuebridge he's another Green. Well,
he's from New South Wales and he's got three properties
in his name. These are all declared, I might add
on their register, so on the public record. Another senator,
Senator Elizabeth Watson Brown and a friend of hers, Green's
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Penny Almond Pain and Steph Hodgkins may two properties each
for these senators. Now, make no mistake, this is a
direct assault on wealth, a wealth tax. But it's coming
if Labour's re elected. Even if Labour's re elected in
its own right, it will need to find extra sources
of revenue to pay for its big government, big spending promises,
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and many Labour MPs want hire taxes on those they
see as rich. The Greens are also demanding a two
year freeze on rents.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Landlords cannot be allowed to raise the rent by whatever
number they want.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
There has to be limits, and.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
This would extend Labour's new socialism from the energy market
to the housing market, bringing yet more distortions and complications
into our already tortured economy. Now, it's true that rents
have gone up massively by some almost one hundred dollars
a week in Sydney over the past two years. Now,
in part that's landlords, like the rest of us, trying
to cope with rising mortgage costs that have gone up
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on average by twenty thousand dollars under the Prime Minister,
plus all the state tax hikes like land tax in Victoria.
But this is more a matter of supply and demand
than capitalist greed, is claimed by the Greens. Council rules
make new developments too hard and too expensive, and because
Germany and Australians do doubtful courses at UNI rather than
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get a useful trade building costs in this country have
gone through the roof, where immigration too is running in
half a million a year, with every one of those
new migrants needing a place to leave. Well, of course
rents of skyrocketing, but the last thing the Greens or
Labor will do is cut immigration, because it's the business
model of the university, is the back the political left,
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and because it's the economic model of failing state and
federal labor governments that are allergic to giving people economic
freedom and raining and spending. Last night at the People's Forum,
the Prime Minister played down the significance of this ransom
note from the Greens, saying he didn't do deals, you'll
take their votes.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Won't do deals?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Is that a fair way to.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
There'll be no deals with the Greens by me after
the election.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well that's a lie because the fact is he's doing
deals already now with the Greens on preferences right now.
The fact is he's already hostage to Adam Bant because
dozens of Labour's MP's have only got there into Parliament
thanks to Green preferences. If the PM's really serious in
his opposition to the Greens, and his claims that they
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are an extremist party. He'll do what Peter Dutton's already
done and put them last. Otherwise, all that will save
us from the Green Left's wealth taxes is to change
the government.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Let's swing around the campaigns.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
We'll start tonight with Anthony Albanese's day on the campaign trail,
spending most of it as we know in Sydney following
last night's People's Forum, joining me in our political reporter,
the wonderful cam Redden.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now, can you've switched buses?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You've gone from Peter Dutton's bus to the Prime minister's
and the PM was out today with another very popular premier,
glu to his hip. But it wasn't all sunshine and smiles,
was it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Let's take a look.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Chris Mins is a great premier and he's doing a
great job.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
I think that Peter Dutton's policy is very different For
a range of public service jobs.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You can't do them remotely.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
We want public service to spend the majority of the
week in the workplace. We're not going to change our
policy and the Prime Minister has been clear and consistent
about his policy and I think that's very a key
choice for voters in the election campaign. You know where
I stand, you know where the PM stands.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
There's some discourse there on work from home Peter of course,
the new South Wales Labor Premier there Chris men saying well,
our policy is slightly different from Peter Duttons because we
want most working from home. Peter Duttons was about all
the public servants working from home. So that's how they're
trying to weave in amongst the details there. But you're right,
Peter today really did look like something of confidence on
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full show from the Prime Minister. He won that debate
last night the People's Forum. He's clearly wanting to be
seen as being on a bit of a winning ticket.
Out next to not just the Premier today but also
the Environment Minister Tania Plivsk for the first time this
campaign he was shouldered to shoulder but just Cintra Allen
just a couple of days ago. So perhaps trying to
allay some of those concerns internally, can we get the
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Prime Minister out with these people. He was out there
with Tania Piliver sect today even Clovermore, the somewhat polarizing
Lord Mayor of Sydney. In some parts of New South
Wales she's viewed very differently to how she is in
the city, but popular in those parts. Peter, this was
clearly all about just being seen to be amongst the people.
He feels like he's got the win at his back
at the moment, got the win last night. Feels like
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he's had a bit of a gift with in terms
of the work from home back down from the coalition.
So that will be the thinking where we are here
now in Cans. The Prime Minister wants to be seen
to be on the attack. He believes in this camp,
believes that a majority government is not completely off the
table yet it will be difficult. They will need to
win seats and that's why they're here in the seat
of Leichhart, which remember it's only three and a half
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percent and has only been held by Warren Ensch when
it comes to a Liberal National member in recent years
since twenty ten. Yes, in his hands, but it's been
labor previous years before that. So they think with his
retirement they're a shot here, still a tough chance to
get to majority, Peter, but they're not losing hope given
that they've had their wind at the back for the
last few days.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
We'll enjoy beautiful can certainly warmer than where I am now,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Thanks Cam.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
All right, let's go out of the Opposition leader's day.
Joining me now political reporter Ruben Spargo. Well, this is
your first time on the campaign trail, Ruben, how did
you go with Peter Dutton today and what were his moves?
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Good evening, Peter, yes, it is the Opposition leader started
his day in Western Sydney. He was selling his National
Gas Plan, telling voters it will progressively lower household energy bills.
We know Peter Dutton took a tour of blue Scope Steel,
a factory and the seat.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Of McMahon, the electorate held by the Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
Manufacturers like blue Scope also a seeking relief with gas.
We know by new frontier economic mode, Linam, we can
show you the numbers here that it will reduce industrial
retail gas bills by fifteen percent and see seven percent
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shaved from household gas costs. It would also lead to
a three percent cut in residential electricity prices.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Peter.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
As you know, energy policy was a major feature of
last night's Sky News debate and part of a broader
conversation around cost of living, as voters aside who's best,
who can best help. Then we're now in the heart
of Melbourne, after traveling this afternoon on a plane, the
next official stop for Peter Dutton.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Thanks very much, Rebin right.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Lots to get across elsewhere around the country. Let's do
that now, National Affairs editor the Daily Telegraph. Of course,
Sky News host James Morrow, and I've sen your reporter
from Sydney, Carolyn Marcus. I'm going to get into the Greens,
but let me start James Morrow, if I can with you.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I was very.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Surprised last night watching that debate and when you a
good hour before it commenced, Peter Dutton's father had been
rushed to hospital. We were told it was incredibly serious.
The rumors came around it was something akin to a
heart attack, which of course has been confirmed today. I
was really surprised that the Prime Minister didn't say something
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in solidarity with the opposition leader at the top of
the program.
Speaker 11 (12:25):
Well, my understanding is that they had a sort of
agreement made to not mention it, and that they decided
that they would just simply keep that out of the
discussion off the stage. But I do have to say
that having been delivered that very scary news, Peter Dutton
did a remarkable job of I think focusing, directing whatever
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you know, nervous energy and worry he would have understandably
had about his dad towards getting a very good outcome
in that debate. And I think his performance, you know,
which was has focused and on point and on message,
and I think we've seen from Peter since the start
of the year really reflected that, well.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Let's go to the Greens.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It felt like back to the future today, back to
the Bill Shorten era of twenty nineteen, when all those
policies sunk his campaign. The Greens are saying the price
of doing a deal with them will be the end
of the capital gains tax discount, the end of negative gearing,
blanket freezes on rental property increases. Of course, that's as
well as their demands to end or fossil fuels and mining.
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The PM got a bit tetchy when he was asked
questions about the Greens and doing deals and a whole
range of things.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 12 (13:36):
Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
capital gains, taxes.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
How hard is it for the fiftieth time.
Speaker 12 (13:43):
Using this negotiations with the Greens in horses former government no,
in horse trading devotes and other matters.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 12 (13:53):
Sorry, the Greens come to you and you need their
vote to pass legislation, will you rule out changing negative
gearing settings and capital gains?
Speaker 11 (14:01):
Yes? And you might have noticed.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
I mean you're a state correspondent. But let me explain.
There are twenty five guys we have in the Senate
in order to get legislation through. We're in that situation,
have been in that situation for this entire term.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
As I said, he got a pretty tetch she there.
He doesn't like these questions.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Labour's got form. We remember everything with Julia Gillard. James,
of course she.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Did a deal.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
He's splitting hairs here because when he says I won't
do a deal, what are he's thinking about and talking about?
There is a formal coalition now. They didn't do that
with Gillard either. They have what's called an alliance on
the left and we know they're doing deals because they're
doing deals on preferences as we speak tonight.
Speaker 11 (14:48):
Well, yeah, that's right, and you know, there is so
much in that answer there that needs to be parissed.
I mean, number one, the tetchiness with which the Prime
Minister dealt with that reporter. Oh you're a state reporter,
so maybe you don't know all that much. Well gee,
that's really sort of touchy and clever. They're Prime minister.
And then you know the whole thing he says, but well, hey, look,
you know, we didn't do deals in the Senate. But
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of course the fact is, you know, you don't need
a majority in the Senate to hold power. You only
need the majority in the House of Representatives. So for
him to say, well, we didn't do it in the Senate,
we won't do it in the House is really disingenuous
because what it all comes down to here is the
Greens are a radical party with a radical agenda. Labor
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wants to hold power and you know their motto, whatever
it takes. The Greens know that if they get the
whip head here, Labor will have to come to the
table just as they did in twenty ten, and it'll
come to much worse endings because the Greens are far
more radical now under Adam Bett than they were. We
have to be honest about it under Bob Brown fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Caroline, we'll go to another ridshi because I think this
is really relevant. The Defense Minister, Richard Miles, who will
not confirm he wants to even stay in the portfolio.
He had a whack at Andrew Hasty, who a might
add as water uniform. Miles has not after Hasty refused
to walk back comments he made in twenty eighteen arguing
that women should be barred from serving in combat roles
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in the ADF.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Have a listen.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
It is utterly untenable that the alternative Defense Minister of
this country has a view that women should not be
serving in combat roles.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Now, I want to underscore the point here.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
We're talking about frontline combat roles which require certain physical attributes.
There was an ex commando who called into radio this
morning in Melbourne Radio three to aw and he pointed
out the blinding office. But I think it's important to
listen to this.
Speaker 13 (16:47):
I've got the greatest respect for women in uniform. They
can do all sorts of things. But in a combat unit,
if I'm unconscious or wounded and they have to carry
me off the battlefield, well, I'm six foot three in
a wayhundred and ten kilos more with all mcgearon, they
are unlikely to carry me over their shoulder off the battlefield.
If I'm unconscious in the hatch of an armored vehicle,
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they're unlikely to be able to reach down and pull
me out of the burning vehicle. So my safety is
compromised and my mate safety is compromised unless they can
do that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Caroline, I don't think the Libs will want to be
distracted by this. They need to stay on cost of living.
But it's hard not to agree with both Andrew Hasty,
as I say, someone who's been there and that commando
on radio, this isn't about gender per se.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
This is about strength.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And if you're a bloke who couldn't lift another man
who's one hundred and ten kilos, well, similarly you wouldn't
make the grade.
Speaker 14 (17:40):
It's inarguable hitter from a biological perspective. And I've just
done an entire documentary about why biological males the arguments
for keeping them out of women's board, and it's a
similar argument here. If you've had the advantages of male puberty,
you've had the surge of testosterone, it makes you wrong
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and it makes you faster, and so it goes without
should go without saying that you're better suited to those
combat roles. And good on Andrew Hasty for not coming
out with a usual apology over these or non apology
over historical comments that he made seven years ago. But
I have to say, I think the Liberal Party opened
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themselves up to this exact kind of attack by disendorsing
a candidate, Benjamin Britten, when he said the ADF needed
to remove females from camp combat corpse. And you know,
from my perspective, that shouldn't have been a cancelable offense.
And as soon as the Liberal Party decided to walk
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away from their candidate for those comments, which are not
that different from Andrew Hasty's which seemed perfectly reasonable, they
did open themselves up to these exact kind of attacks
for similar statements made by other members of the party.
What they should have done is stood by him, said
it's not our policy, or we're not changing our policy
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to remove women from these combat roles, or perhaps they
should have looked into doing that, but instead they made
it a thing. And that's why they've left open Andrew
Hasty and others to potential attacks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I think James Mora just simple to have a test
and very few women. I'm over six foot and six
foot one. There's no way I could lift a bloke
six foot four and you know, struggle across a battlefield
with him is over one hundred.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Kilos in no way. Now, just make it about the.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Physical attributes that you need, and they all myself select
in my view.
Speaker 11 (19:41):
Yeah, look, I think that's right. But you know, and
again it is about the physical attributes here. I mean,
you know, these guys who go into combat, these are
seriously strong guys, and I would never be able to
do one tenth of the things that they do, you know,
So all respect to them, But there's also this sort
of way he well, yeah, look, anything heavier than a
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case of whine. I'm struggling. But you know, the fact
is is that it's also this labor sort of leftist
idea that the ADF is about social engineering first, right,
and winning wars and defending the nation second. So I
think that introducing this whole issue is really about their
social goals. It's not about defending the country, and that
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that's all I care about when it comes to the ADF.
Can they defend the country.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Spot on, spot on.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I guess the risk is that they will that they
will moderate the tests and moderate the rules and apply
a discount factor to some that are not physically up
to it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And that's what we don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Hey, revelations today that in just four years, on the
current trajectory we're headed on, labor will be spending more
than thirty thousand dollars per person, which would be a
per capita record unsustainable. James, we've talked a lot about
these tariffs, trumps, trade tariffs, no sign they're raising up.
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And this blue too between Musk and Navarro showing things
a pretty testy in the White House.
Speaker 11 (21:11):
Well, yeah, look, that's what's really really interesting. Elon Musk
has taken out over the chief trade negotiator there, Peter Navarro.
It's interesting he's called him, well, he called them something
I'm not going to repeat on air because the Family Program.
But it was one of those sort of Muski and
puns that don't quite rise to the level of Noel Coward.
Let's just say. But Peter Navarro, I also understand, is
the one who wanted to deny Australia an exemption from
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the ten percent tariff, so you know, maybe Australia will
suddenly be t musk on that one, But in terms
of our own situation here, that's thirty thousand dollars figures
in an absolute indictment. And you know, given how we
know that it's only the top forty percent of taxpayers
who pay any tax at all. Our economy is so
unbalanced and this government has done so much in the
last three years, you know, spending all of its time
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trying to get Sony on Blanc on Shanghai dinner tables,
when they should have been working on whereas to protect
our economy and get us into other markets well before taris.
But we all knew the China thing was unsustainable. This
is once again we need some sort of change, in
a reset on the wather we operate this economy, because
an ever bigger government and ever less productivity is a
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road to ruin.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Caroline.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Just back to the Greens, I spent some time on
their website today looking into a number of their candidates.
I think got some pictures to show you the current
crop and their backgrounds. As much as I can read,
it's pretty sanitized on the website, but I went through
digging around, you know, googling their names and seeing their
true histories.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You've got to hope that.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Australians are digging into these people before they trade their
votes in the Lower House or the Upper House, even
preference flows to the Greens.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Well, look, I mean, what can I say?
Speaker 14 (22:52):
They look perhaps like typical Greens voters or Greens candidates
what you'd almost expect, but that certainly they don't seem
largely to be representative perhaps of their communities. I noticed
another Greens candidate called Avery Howard. We haven't showed them
on screen, and I say them because that's the pronow
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that Avery Howard likes to use running in the scene
of Fowler. That's the Southwest Sydney seat that I've looked
at in this campaign. It's a low socioeconomic seat that's
currently held by the independent Mpdly. But the Greens candidate
describes themselves as non binary, an anti poverty advocate and
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retail worker. Purple head again seems to be a theme there,
the rainbow colored hair. And then apparently they were shocked
when they received a torrent of abuse based on their
looks and the gender identity, which is they shouldn't be
getting that kind of abuse, but it doesn't seem to
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be very representative of the communities that there's standing up for,
I mean foul in particular sixteen percent Vietnamese demographic. There
are just I don't know where they find some of
these candidates, but they.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Certainly do stick out like a sore thumb sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Hey, you're not wrong. We've got a picture there of
Avery Maya. People in Sydney is scrambling to find it
to put you up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
But just to reinforce your point that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The presentation of the Greens candidate list, if I could
call it, that comes across as basically a whole lot
of activists and less about community representation, which is what
you would expect as voters. Thank you both for your time.
We'll leave it there after the break. I know you
want to see her out on the campaign trail. We
all do, don't we, And she'll join us in a moment.
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The wonderful just into namphagypre Price plus a woman looking
to give Jackie Lamby a run for her money in Tasmania.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Still the carm the Renewables House of Cars down as
yet another government scraps their targets the first In recent days,
the daughter of One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, has announced
that she'll run for the Senate in Tasmania. Lee Hanson
hopes to offer a fresh face for the party and
a way forward to Tasmanians, who she says are constantly overlooked.
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Her outspoken Bambi is of course a famous Queensland and
Lee's lived in Tazzy for about the last thirteen years
and she joins me now from the capital of Hobart. Lee,
welcome to the program that they say politicians choose the
public life victor their family members.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Certainly don't.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Your mum's been a firebrand. She's copped her fair share.
You are, now, though, putting your hand up to go
into the lions den.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 15 (25:49):
I've asked myself that, Peter, But no, it's time. It's
time that I need to stand up and have a voice,
fight for my children's future and my community men this
future as well.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So it can't have been easy because most people go
into politics, as you know, Pollyanna, they don't understand the
ups and the downs. There are plenty of ups, absolutely,
but there are big, big downs and you've seen those firsthand.
So you're going in with your eyes wide open. What
is driving this decision? What's got so under your collar
down in Tasmania that you're putting your hand up.
Speaker 15 (26:25):
Yeah, I've reached a point where as I said, I'm
a mother of two young children and I'm actually really
concerned about the future of my children. I in the
thirteen years plus that I've been in Tasmania, I've seen
enormous change and it has me greatly concerned. You know,
everything from education systems, through to the health system, through
the unaffordable cost of living, housing accessibility and affordability, amongst
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other things. And I do not see or have faith
in the current politicians down here. I do not feel
that they adequately represent our state. You could ask any
of your of the community members down here to name
at least three of their members of Parliament and they'd
be pressed to name those three sore. If we do
not know who they are, it means they're not representing us.
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So it's time that I put my hand up and
try to represent my community members.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
What I always notice, and I make the point, you're
up against Jackie Lamby obviously and everyone else who's running.
But what I noticed about her is that Lambi tends
to front the election campaigns talking and sounding like a conservative,
but the moment she gets to Canberra, she more often
than not votes with the Greens and with Labor. Now
do you think Tasmanians have picked that up.
Speaker 15 (27:40):
I think they've definitely seen it. They've recognized that. For example,
the salmon industry is a big hot topic down here
at the moment, and I know that Jackie and the
Greens have been invited to do a tour and to
come and understand the salmon industry, and to my knowledge,
she's not taking them up on that offer, but was
happy to vote down and represent or boycott the salmon industry.
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Unlike myself, I've actually asked for a tour and accepted
a tour later in this week because I want to
understand the issues. I want to understand how I can
help and support.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Your mum speaks her mind, She's famous for it. I mean,
do you agree with everything your mum's got to say?
Will you be your own woman in the Senate if.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You get there.
Speaker 15 (28:23):
Look, my mum has raised me with fantastic family values,
so of course I have a lot of those values
and strengths that my mum has to offer and agree
with absolutely what she has to say. However, as a
new age generation or new generation, I do test my
mum's thinking like any child tests the older generation or
their parent.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
You know.
Speaker 16 (28:44):
I offer a.
Speaker 15 (28:44):
Different perspective and new perspective the new challenges of raising
children in today's era as well.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So sure we have debate, but it's good debate. It's
healthy debate. It's so we can.
Speaker 15 (28:56):
Actually see each other's perspective and come out with a
better solution or better ideas. So it's healthy, it's positive.
I am my own woman, but I respect and have
a lot of fantastic qualities and characteristics that my mother
offers as well.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, you're very articulate, I have to say, Lee, And
I know the Greens think your mum has been a
thorn in their side for probably about two decades now.
I'm sure that hopes she retires at some stage, but
they won't be happy to know that you're putting your
hand up.
Speaker 15 (29:26):
Well, I'm here to represent everybody, so yes, I can
imagine some might see me as a thorn in their
side because I equally stand up and have a voice
and fight for what I'm passionate for and my colleagues
and community members. But I also offer collaboration and that's
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the key for me. I want to work with everybody.
I don't care who you are or what your background is.
I will work with everybody to get better outcomes for Tasmanians.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Right, good luck, Lee, love you to speak to you tonight,
or let's get some other issues. This is where we
come into the wonderful Justenter Price, an anti domestic violence
organization which gets more than twenty million dollars in taxpayer
funding for the federal government, has been called out by
Senator Price today after it apparently told journalists not to
suggest that violence was part of indigenous culture.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
The group's called Our Watch. They call themselves.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Leaders in the Primary Prevention of Violence against Women and
all of.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
That's very important.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
But if you have a look at their website, it's
pretty clear the wheels are coming off this argument. One
of the guidelines for reporting for the media on indigenous
based violence advisors journalists not to quote, and this is
I'm quoting them suggest violence is part of indigenous culture.
Senator just Into Namjiba Price. She is the Shadow Minister
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for Indigenous Australians. She thinks this is rubbish, and she
joins me, Now you've come out very strongly against this organization.
You don't like this claim that says violence is not
a part of Indigenous culture. You say the statistics are
really clear, and you've even called for a review of
their funding.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (31:09):
Look, you know, I think this is a really important
area where Indigenous women, particularly in the Northern Territory, victims
of domestic and family violence in vast numbers, and the
perpetrators are predominantly Indigenous men, and our Watch, the way
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our Watch has approached this issue has concerned me for
quite a long time. Now. I know that my own mother,
when she was previously in government here in the Northern Territory,
attempted to have conversations with our Watch about her own
lived experience as a warpery woman who was traditionally promised
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to be married in a polygamous marriage as a second wife,
and was also subject to domestic and family and has
witnessed it all her life, as has been my lived experience.
And so what's deeply concerning is that our Watch are
very selective as to who they are listening to in
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this space about this issue, and they are funded a
lot of money from the federal government to carry out
a job responsible for reducing violence against Indigenous women, and
yet they're failing from the outset.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Now you called it gas lighting.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Today you're saying they're gas lighting the experience of Aboriginal women.
And someone in the media, my colleague in the NT,
Matt Cunningham, has reported on this for many, many years
and feels very deeply about these issues. He's not one
in the media who's going to read from their script either.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Have a listen.
Speaker 18 (32:47):
You know, more than eighty women have been killed in
the Northern Territory in domestic violence incidents in the past
two decades, and I think about seventy eight of those
women are Aboriginal and the vast majority of the perpetrators
in those cases Aboriginal men. We've seen an eighty two
percent increase over the last eight years in violence against
(33:09):
women domestic violence in the Northern Territory. Again, the vast
majority of the victims are Aboriginal women and the vast
majority of the perpetrators are Aboriginal men.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And if we don't have a factual conversation, Justina, we
will never turn this around.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
No we won't.
Speaker 17 (33:29):
And you know, a recent rally that was held in
Our Springs that I attended, had the representative, the indigenous
representative of our Watch, speak to the crowd and tell
you know, and she's not from Ala Springs or Central
Australia or the Northern Territory. In fact, tell the crowd
those who know that customary law that involves violent payback
(33:51):
exists in traditional culture, but dictate to us that it
doesn't exist in our own traditional culture. And in fact,
this young woman is a former staffer to Adam Bant.
You know, this is straight out of the Greens playbook,
infantilizing Indigenous Australians, denying reality and effectively doing nothing to
help support the situation on the ground.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And it's not good enough.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Let's go to the vexed issue of the Macarata Commission,
you know, the truth telling, the treaty, the voice, which
hasn't gone away. Twenty seven million dollars has been in
the budget for all of these measures.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
People have pursued.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
This in estimates, we can't get a clear answer where
the money is, whether it's being shoved into the contingency
reserve or put into some other program. Now, we're all
about to vote in a few weeks time. Australians throughout
the voice. Why won't Labor give us a really clear response?
Here is the voice steal in play? Is Macarata still
(34:50):
in play? And what about the treaty because if they're
not telling us that means.
Speaker 14 (34:54):
It is.
Speaker 17 (34:57):
Look exactly right, we don't know what is going on
with the Albanese government. Evidently they've not heard the wishes
of the Australian people. When they put that referendum to us,
they talked about the principles of the Ularu Statement, which
were truth, treaty and voice, and part of that was
this Macarata Commission.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Now, the Prime Minister at the previous.
Speaker 17 (35:22):
Election made a raft of election promises and never actually
kept those promises. So basically we do not know what
this government would do if they won the election again.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
We don't know.
Speaker 17 (35:36):
Basically they have been absolutely opaque in Senate estimates with
regard to Makarata, the twenty seven million dollars that they
supposedly put in a contingency and what direction they're going
to take it in, always going back to speaking about
the values and holding true to those values while Australians.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
They smoke loud and clear.
Speaker 17 (35:59):
They said they don't want this separatist approach and we
shouldn't continue to go.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Down that path.
Speaker 17 (36:05):
And as a result, they have failed to address anything
in the Indigenous affairs space with any kind of practical,
common sense way forward to improve the lives of marginalized
Indigenous Australians.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And look, if we want to know what Labour's agenda is,
look at the left in Victoria, look at the left
faction which controls the state. They've got a truth telling
commission down there, the ARUK Truth Telling Inquiry. It's all
part of the preparatory work for a treaty in Victoria.
And they've taken valuations of all the land that's owned
by churches in Victoria, Catholic, Anglican and all the other
(36:42):
Christian churches. They've come up with a figure that the
land's worth about three billion dollars and this is part
of their sums in terms of compensation. So this is
being set up. It's not just governments paying compensations, you center,
but private entities like churches and sporting clubs go god forbid.
Private homeowners forced to pay compensation under a treaty.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
This is exactly right.
Speaker 17 (37:09):
This is what you can come to expect under weak
labor governments. They want to be everybody's friend, they want
to say yes to everybody. They don't want to be
seen as racist. And in the meantime, this whole process
toward treaty is turning into just a rent seeking activity
and that is exactly what is going on in Victoria.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
At the moment.
Speaker 17 (37:31):
I mean, seriously, if we treated everybody as Australians, if
we supported those on the basis of need, we would
avoid situations like this as opposed to blanketing everybody who
is of indigenous heritage in this country. And by the way,
in the last census there was an increase of twenty
five percent new individuals who tick that box for the
(37:52):
first time. So basically people know that there are ways
to be able to gain a few x extra opportunities
out of being able to identify as Indigenous, and that's
a huge concern for the indigenous community as well.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But this is what you can come to expect.
Speaker 17 (38:09):
As I said, from a week labor government, they're prepared
to throw in Victoria all other Victorians under the bus.
And these are the demands that are coming out from
this process and it will not stop there. It won't
stop there. They want separatism, They want to make demands
on Australian people. They expect to be compensated. I mean,
(38:30):
we're living in Australia in twenty twenty five. There's plenty
of opportunity. This is the country of opportunity, the land
of opportunity. Make it for yourself without trying to take
it from others.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
My audience, I can hear them, just into this say
al la lujah. We've missed her voice of common sense.
Just into Navigeper Price on the campaign trail. Peter Utton
needs you throw everything at it for the next four weeks.
Just center and we can turn the country around with
a change of government. Thank you for joining us tonight.
There you guys need a din't we.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
There?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
She is on a fire after the break the state
that's followed the nt to our scrap renewables targets as
it blows up Chris Bowen's emissions strategy, plus a huge
figure in Australia's intellectual life sadly passes away. Heyoshen to
(39:22):
add that her autobiography is still in the top ten
reads in Australia in terms of bestseller list.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So that's fantastic. Kelvirich is of course coming up.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
It's Wednesday, but first my panel, let's bring them in
Chief Executive of the Page Institute Jared Holland and Sai
your fellow at the Mensis Research Center. Columnist too, with
the Australian Nick Keta, gentlemen, welcome. I've got to start
with some sad us tonight.
Speaker 17 (39:43):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'm afraid the great historian Keith Win Shuttle has sadly died.
Has been a huge figure, as you know, in the
intellectual debate in Australia. I'm on the board of Quadrant
magazine and he of course was the editor in chief
for fifteen years. A fearless man fears intellect Nick. This
is a big loss, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It is fearless, as you say, intellectually fearless. He would
take on arguments and battles that some of us would
shrink away from. He ran, in particular the long series
on the fabrication of Aboriginal history, trying to cut through
all the nonsense on that, and he was I think
a Quadrant very instrumental in building the intellectual case against
(40:28):
the Voice, which allowed people like you and just enterprice
you've seen to come and make a cogent persuasive case.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And of course let's not forget.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
That he defended Cardinal George pell He recognized the mistrial
when he saw one. He presented a book about the
mistrial and how helped been persecuted. And he would prove
to be right on that. So a great loss, as
you say, and he leaves a tremendous legacy.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Hellwock, you're not wrong on the Voice either.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I went back on a plain Dallas Springs actually and
read a lot of his essays on our aboriginal separatism
and other things that were moving around in terms of policy,
and they were hugely instructive. Let's go to energy. We'll
start with Queensland. Of course, there was a decision by
the L ANDP government. We know this has happened in
the NT JURED. This is the first AID government to
scrap renewable targets across the board. So no more fifty
(41:20):
percent renewables by twenty thirty in Queensland, no more seventy
percent by twenty thirty two, no eighty percent by twenty
thirty five. They absolutely mean business. We saw as I said,
this happened in the NT now it's happening in Queensland.
This is a big spanner in the works dured for
the labor federal agenda.
Speaker 16 (41:43):
Well, the federal agenda was never going to hit the
targets that they set out in the first place. The
fact is we still rely on reliable coal as our
base load power. It still makes up sixty to seventy
percent of our day in, day out energy needs. And
I think Queensland is doing the right thing, as has
the NT, as is the US, as is China, as
is Indonesia, Vietnam. The list goes on of nations who
(42:04):
are realizing it is not worth the industrializing and continuing
to push up power prices in the pursuit of ideological fantasies.
And my hope and prayer is that our federal leaders
wake up and realize come to the same conclusion.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
And of course, Nick the modeling that labor had that
this whole house of cards rests on. The Prime Minister
has disown that modeling. That modeling underpins everything we are
still doing. They have en update of the modeling. There's
not new modeling out there, but we're still going down
the path based on modeling they say isn't tenable.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean famously. Of course he's got the two
hundred and seventy five dollars off our electricity bills wrong.
But in ditching the model modeling, Albanize is also ditching
the underpinning of the whole twenty thirty targets. The idea
that we can get to eighty two percent clean power
on the grid by twenty thirty came entirely out of
(43:01):
this now disreputable report by Reputecs. So he hasn't announced
he's going to change the policy. So on what basis
are we doing this? I mean, how do they know
we can do it? Since the modeling they relied upon
has been thrown out the window. I think this is
really a disaster for al Benisi. They have to change direction,
but of course they're not going to do it in
(43:21):
the heat of an election.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
At some talk last week about you know this Chinese sparship,
the research ship, research ship they call it.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
What was it doing in our vicinity?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Was it trawling for signal information you know, out of
the sky in terms of our communications reports today? That
was actually surveying the Diamontena Trench near western Australia and
possibly charting a course on the floor of the ocean
in relation to submarine activities. So if they were to
bring submarines down here where they would move submarines through.
(43:56):
These are experts out there today giving us its information.
If this is the case, this is very serious.
Speaker 16 (44:06):
It is Peter. There's an old saying that we might
not be interested in war, but war is very interested
in us. We are living through some of the most
dangerous and turbulent times geopolitically since the Cold War, since
the Second World War, and this directly impacts us in
our region in the South Pacific. There is obviously a
great power conflict between China and the US, and both
of those actors are very keen to see where we
(44:29):
stand and where our supply chains will lie, where our
abundance of resources will lie. In China, they're sending a
warning shot. They're letting us know they can get to us,
that we have been found toothless so far and responding
to that. And they're also testing to see what kind
of political will is there for us domestically to start
to ramp up our own industrial capacity. Look at our
fuel security, look at our energy security, and look at
(44:49):
our defense spending, and so far again our leaders have
been found lacking.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Nick.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
This one concerns me. Sydney's La Camber Mosque is.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Lodged application to be able to broadcast the Muslim call
to prayer over loud speakers every Friday before midday. The
documents say the call of prayer is similar to those
of church bells on a Sunday morning for Mass. Now
that's fine in a Judeo Christian country such as Australia,
where you hear church bells, but the call to prayer
(45:22):
is something I've only ever heard when I've been in
the Middle East, when I've been in places like India, India, sorry,
Indonesia or elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
How do you think the community is going to respond?
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I just think they'll be very troubled by this, Peter.
I mean, it's not at all like church bells, church
bells or peeling of church bells. When it's done well
as it is at my church, is a beautiful thing.
People love that sound. This is a I'm sorry to
say it a faintly haunting kind of sound to me too, Peter,
because we associate it with all sorts of things abroad.
(45:57):
I just don't like this idea at all that you
can come in and change our culture, change our environment.
We have to do away with words like Easter, you know,
with schools are now not celebrating Easter. They don't have
the Easter bunny anymore. It's just the bunny.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
This is wrong. We are a judo Christian country that
we're at. That is our heritage. We should be proud
of it. We welcome people from all over the world
of whatever faith are nune, but we are primarily a
Christian country.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, and I understand this is the first time a
request has been made of this scale. So once I
have to say one council, it proves that it'll be
something that'll be rolled out elsewhere. So I think this is,
you know, a bit of a line in the sand. Gents,
Thank you all right, after break, plenty of words to
get through. Kel Richards, welcome Bank joining me as he
(46:50):
does every Wednesday, the wonderfil Kel Richards.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Kel.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I love our viewers because they help me enormously on
all manner of things, but on this particular issue of
how to I mean, get people to really understand the
scale of some of the numbers we talk about in
government spending, we get some advice. So this one, this
bit of advice comes from Mark from Sale. I think
it's fantastic. He says, a really helpful way of trying
(47:16):
to grasp the big numbers that politicians toss around is
to think of it in terms of time.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Take us through.
Speaker 19 (47:24):
That's right, Yes, well this is a great idea because,
as we said last week, Peter, it's hard to understand
the big numbers. One thousand seconds is approximately sixteen minutes.
So that we understand that, we can picture that one
million seconds is eleven days. Now, going from sixteen minutes
to eleven days, this is exponential. This is multiplication. One
(47:47):
billion seconds is thirty one years. That's how fast it
starts to go go up exponentially. In fact, we know
people of Peter who are not yet thirty one years
of age. You've not yet been alive for one billion seconds.
But if you get to one trillion, a trillion is
thirty one thousand years. In other words, if we had
(48:08):
a debt of one trillion dollars and paid it off
at one dollar per second, it would take us thirty
one thousand years to pay it off tho. It's a
great image, but it just gives usselves small grip on
a big number.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I think that's fantastic that we all have to understand
this because you know, when I started working in politics,
million was a lot of money. Now millions hardly used.
It's billion and billions, tens of billions, hundreds of billions
of those numbers are thrown around like confetti, particularly in
a campaign. Staying with campaigns, one of our Melbourne viewers
(48:45):
wants to know, how do we explain the origin of
the word core flute, which, of course to those political
posters we see on everyone's front fence at the moment.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
This is our word.
Speaker 19 (48:57):
Only in Australia are political science called core flute, and
that's because it started as a trademark put out by
corex Plastics Australia in Melbourne in nineteen seventy. They call
them core flute because they are a clever invention to
flatsheets with a corrugated or fluted bridge in the middle
to keep it rigid. So it was their company name.
(49:17):
Now that's become a generic word, you know, like that's
happened to lots of words like Hoover, and Biro and
heaps of them. I don't think they've objected because it
promotes their company, but only in Australia political science called
core flutes. Everywhere else they're just called annoying.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think, ah, pretty annoying here too, Thanks very much, Kelsey.
Next week, all right, have you've got words for Kelsendan
through oswords, dot net, dot com, dot au.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
That's it for me, see tomorrow. He's Andrew
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