Mosquito Traps & Burrowing "Toads"

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know it's surely for mosquito season, not where I
am there. Out year round, we get the qlex, some
of which are native that genus. We get eighties a Jipdi,
which is invasive. It's this mosquito species that basically has
followed humans all around the globe, really nasty. Whatever mosquito
species you have, they're gonna be bad. They're gonna be

(00:23):
bad in the summer if you're in a higher latitudes,
if you're in the lower latitudes, they're bad right now.
And the worst thing is that you go you go
to like home Desk, but you go to Low any
of these horrible box stores, and there's they're in the insectile.
They're selling insect foggers, which annihilates everything. The whole idea
of annihilating every insect in your backyard is it's like

(00:46):
losing using a sledgehammer when you need a scalpel. You
want to get those mosquitoes. The best way to get
the mosquitoes, and it took me a while to figure
this out, and I reached out to this company. They
didn't reach out to me, is to use a biogens
mosquito trap. All right. It's like a little plastic fan.
You plug it in. It's got to be shielded from

(01:06):
the rain. You don't want this hot sun hitting it.
Find a nice spot and you put this little packet
in the center of this mosquito trap. It's about the
size of a I don't know, a freeze dryer or
a food the hydrater, and you put it out, shield
it from rain, shield it from the hot sun, put
it outside, put all these little packets in it. These

(01:28):
packets smell terrible. They're like the size of a medium
sized silica packet, and it smells like you put a
four hundred pound man on a treadmill and had them,
you know, do a run for twenty minutes and then
took a squeege to his back and all that sweat
that came off, you put on a sock and then
stuffed it inside this trap. Right, These are a nice

(01:51):
Is that a nice image? It's pretty repulsive, but that's
what attracts many of these mosquito species. Many people think
it's co two in some cases, depending on the species
it is. But I found that this scent, these sweet
scent packets that mimic the large man on the treadmill,
you know, with the squeegeet horrible imagery. That scent seems

(02:12):
to do wonders. And so I've been trapping daily where
I live again. I'm at twenty six degrees latitude south
down here in South Texas. But they're gonna be up
by you. If you're in a Chicago area, if you're
in upstate New York, if you're in the Southwest, wherever
you got a bad mosquito problem, get one of these
mosquito traps. I swear by it. They didn't pay me
to say this. They did send me a free trap, though,

(02:34):
which I appreciate. So this is why I'm doing them
a solid. Biogens dot com it's a German company. It's
not a cruising site for gay biologists, though that is
a lovely idea. I implore someone to go explore that
as a business venture. Biogents dot Com. You type in
biogens dot com, it takes you to US dot biogens

(02:58):
dot com, the US branch Biogen's USA go on area.
You buy a mosquito trap. They're two hundred bucks. But
they're right now. They're having a deal from March twenty
seventh up to what is it? It's May thirty, first,
twenty percent off the entire order using code Botany twenty
and I really recommend you to do it. And it's

(03:20):
fun for me too, because I've you know, people over
the years. I'm not I like carnivorous plants, but they're
not my main jam. But I've had people give me
carnivorous plants, pinguicula's, drostras, et cetera. I keep them under
my spider farmer lights in my office and it gives
me a place to put all the mosquitoes that I catch,
and I catch probably twenty or thirty mosquitoes daily. I mean,

(03:43):
I basically live in a subtropical latitude, so it is
hot and humid most of the time down here in
South Texas. And even you know, as you know, if
you like places like Phoenix, any place there's people that
are swimming pools, are staying in water, there's going to
be mosquitos. Mosquitoes tend to be far more prevalent in

(04:04):
developed areas areas of human habitation, than in areas that
have full intact ecosystems. So unless you live in a
place it's got a nice, full intact ecosystem, you're probably
gonna be dealing with a lot of mosquitos. Hit up biogens.
Order one of these traps two hundred bucks, twenty percent off,
forty bucks off one hundred and sixty bucks. It comes
with one of these sweet scent packets. One of these

(04:26):
packets the last you four to five months. You just
stick it in there. You'll be trapping mosquitos all day long.
You plug it in. It sucks these things into a
little sack. You take out the whole centerpiece of a fan. Afterwards,
take the sack off, put them in a freezer for
twenty minutes. Kill all the mosquitos, empty them out onto
a slip of paper, and feed them to your pings,

(04:48):
your carnivorous plants, your drostras, whatever the shit, and they'll
love it. My plants are looking really great now. You
also got to use reverse osmosis water for those they
don't like tapwater, depending on how hard the water is.
But you can use the TDS meter, a total dissolved
solids meter, which you can buy on Scamazon. I hate
to promote Jeff Bezos, fuck him, but you get the point,

(05:09):
you know where you got to get it. Where you
can right get a TDS media you can measure your
water definitely don't want high ppms. You want, like, you know,
fifty ppms or less. I got RO under my sink
because the water here is so bad. It's like five
fifty ppms, probably lots of forever chemicals and other carcinogens.
So anyway, I got the ro. That's what I use

(05:31):
to situate my credit Verse plants in and then I
feed them with tons of dead mosquitos. So you could
do that too, and I recommend it. Biogens dot com
use code Botany twenty for twenty percent off one hundred
and sixty bucks. This thing will last you for years.
You just order more sweet scent packets once every four
to six months. One sweet scent packet will probably last

(05:54):
you throughout the summer unless you know it thing gets
rained on or something, so shield it from the rain.
But it's been a wonderful and investment. And then you
don't need to be fogging either. I mean, I've noticed
I've been doing this for like two months now, and
I've noticed this steep decline and how often I'm getting
bit by mosquitos when I go outside, and I spend
a lot of time outside. I'm not getting bit that
much because they all go right into the trap. They

(06:16):
can scent this thing. They can smell it from probably
thirty feet away. I can't smell it unless I'm like
a foot away. Even then, after a while, this scent
goes away. So don't worry about it stinking. It doesn't
stink unless you're actually up there sniffing on it, you know.
But anyway, I really recommend this. It's amazing. The company's
really cool. The people I've talked through there are really cool.

(06:37):
Biogens dot Com code botany twenty for twenty percent off.
Feed them to your pings, Get a carnivorous plant dungeon,
order a couple pinguiculous butterworts, whatever the hell you want
to call them, and just start feeding the mosquitoes. I
got this. I got a pinwiculum I'm looking at right now.
That's like the size of one of those mini basketballs.
You know. Anyway, Biogens dot Com hit them up. Good

(07:00):
morning and welcome to the Crime Pays Podcast. This is
the Crime Pays Podcast on Friday, March twenty eighth.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
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(07:46):
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local TV favorite. I was emblazoned into my mind. I
probably have trauma from it, but it is very interesting
from an anthropological standpoint. Silosie's son was later indicted under

(08:08):
some sort of mafia connection. I think they had a
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we'll get the plants eventually. I just want to talk
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(08:29):
Now this one was before my time. This was actually, uh,
you know, I don't even think I was alive yet
when this one came out. I was a few years
before I was born. But nonetheless, this is a wonderful
piece of the Chicago gestalt. Right here. Let's let's listen
to this.

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(09:09):
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Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now it's a three point two area code. Now. In
watching this, I can smell the smell of bus exhaust
mixed with the like, you know, tire dust and break
grit from the gutters of the streets. This man has
a thick mustache. He's wearing a thrift store suit, something
that someone might be wearing as a joke in a

(09:32):
modern day. And I'd like to mention he's pointing at
the camera and he's doing this little thing with his pinky.
He's holding his pinky out in this suspect way. That
does imply some sort of mob connection, you know, instead
of you, why not just point with your poner finger.
Why you gotta have that pinky out? What is that
supposed to be intimidating? And why do you want to
come over and sell me to win this? Well, you

(09:53):
want to sell me to Winders, That's what I want
to know. Anyway, welcome to the crime page. But Bodany
doesn't podcast, uh it. We got a lot of rain
in South Texas yesterday. Fucking dumped I think like five inches.
There were rivers in the streets, there was flooding. Rio
Grande City looked more beautiful than it's ever looked in

(10:14):
the last seventy years. It was all underwater. There were
cars stranded in the middle of the street. You couldn't
get into the walmart there. I saw pictures of it.
That row of plastic signs that looks so hideous, it's
so depressing. It's like visual pollution. Plastic commercial signs, Starbucks,
Chick fil A, stripes, whatever other garbage. You know, it's

(10:35):
that just you're subliminally memorizing every time you walk by
this this shit it was, it was all underwater. It
was wonderful. Next best thing to a comet hitting these
commercial areas. And I'm excited too. You know what I
you know what did upset me is the Mexican burrowing tote.

(10:56):
You should look that up. They look like hamburger petties.
They look like purple and orange hamburger patties. They come
out when it rains. Certainly they're probably out. They might
be out tonight. It might be a good time to
go look for them. They have a really weird call.
You know. I can think of a couple places I
would love to go look for him. It's definitely worth
going out and seeing if they're out. Matter of fact,

(11:21):
matter of fact, we'll play one for you. Right here,
Here we go, the Mexican burrowing toad. Come on, one one,

(11:45):
you got one one? Come on there you go, there
you go. Got what I would do to be able
to see one of them. You know, I've drawn them
a few times, but they should be out. They live
in the ground. They can go dormant for years. And
then just come out after a the paotes and all
the other cacti at Thorn Scrubs Sanctuary will be so happy,

(12:05):
so happy. It was looking so drought stressed that the
first time I ever saw Thorn Scrubs Sanctuary, the first time,
when me and Javier went down and we were looking
at the land, we were with this nice realtor. He
was an Anglo man. You don't get many Anglo men
in South Texas. Wonderful man, so kind. He studied range science,
and he didn't know. He figured out later we were

(12:27):
looking for plants and at Payote was one of them.
But he wasn't spooked by it. He became a fan
of Crime Pays. Actually he watched a few videos. He
probably doesn't follow him anymore. At some point he probably
got turned off. Most do when a personality comes out
when they see it, I'm legitimately kind of nuts And
this isn't just a gimmick, you know, they say, wow,

(12:48):
I didn't know he was like that, and then they
kind of you know, only only a few, only a
few out of the people that originally, you know, take
a gander at the shit that I put out there,
the content I put out there and it's sticking around,
and I can't say I blame them. You know, it's
not for Everybody's a flavor, and it's not for everybody,

(13:08):
the weird blend of dark humor, crassness, you know. I
mean everybody from you know, to the hyper Republicans to
the progressive white ladies, the mean ones, not the nice ones,
not the nice you know what I mean. They all
find something problematic with what I do. And that's fine,
that's the way I like it. But anyway, I think

(13:29):
probably autistic socialists might be the only ones that can
get down with my certain type of flavor. But anyway,
the point is, the man was a really nice guy,
and he was showing us this land. The first time
we were out there, the cicadas were fucking you know,
we get all these endemic cicadas. The cicadas were out,
the tortoises were out. There was no sign of pig
damage yet. And in that six or seven months that

(13:53):
Hovey and I did not visit the Landoh but once
the pig showed up and they tore dozens of jacuzzi
sized holes in the land that killed so much of
the shit they filled me with. Hey, I got strong
vibes of hatred for these fucking things. It's not right,
No one should. Animals don't know what they're doing there.
It's not their fault, it's just what they do. They

(14:15):
don't know that they evolved in the woodlands of Europe
and when transported by humans, you know, when in skin
went imbibed into the human tumor and then transported overseas
to an ecosystem and habitat they've never been in before.
That they basically caused massive declines in some of the
cactus populations, including ninety percent reductions in the populations of

(14:38):
species like Mammalaria spherica, which doesn't have alkaloids to protect
it from to give it that bitter flavor that the
pigs and rabbits will chew on but then spit out.
And so Mammalaria sphere because declining Mammalaria hydrize allback gone.
That's the species that's taken a big hit down here.
You want to grow some Mammalaria hyder i, Grow some

(14:59):
fucking you're own Mammalaria hider They got tiny seeds, they
got red fruits. You find the red fruits sticking out
of the tubercles. If you're in South Texas, I think
they go all the way up into San Antonio. Definitely
need a lot more people growing those cactus species. And
it's a shame because even you go to like cactus
nurses or something down here, people are growing all this
exotic shit. I don't know why. It's a human thing.
They don't want They can't appreciate what's right in front

(15:21):
of them, or they don't know that it's there because
all the habitats been bulldozed. But either way, we need
people growing Mammalaria spherica and Mammalaria hider to put back
in a ground. And also, you know, I just bought
my first ar fifteen. I named it Prince Rogers Nelson,
after the late musician who became a Jehovah's witness and

(15:44):
later died of opiates. Was he I think it was
opiate's Was it opiates? I don't know, poor poor man.
I remember seeing a photo of him outside the clinic
in Minneapolis. But you know, anyway, so we won't talk
about that's a that's it's a rough subject. You know,
he made so much wonderful music. Anyway, it's I named

(16:04):
it after prince because it's like a purple anecdised metal
AR fifteen. And I got it just for the pigs.
And so you know, now it's uh. Anyway, we're gonna
go out there heavily armed at night with scopes and
and hopefully take out some of these things. We got
a pig trap. Now, some of some people are not

(16:24):
into guns, and I understand it, and it's fine. I'm
not I don't like guns, but they're a necessity in
this case. And so you know, it's uh. And and
there comes with guns comes great responsibility. And if you're
listening overseas and you think Americans are insane for their
gun fetish, you're absolutely right. This country is full blown nuts,

(16:46):
full blown nuts and full blown stupid. I will not
argue with you there at all, not at all. But
you know what, these are the circumstances where we've been given.
We got to work with what we got. I made.
I made shirts that I thought were hilarious. They said
they said grow native plants and had a picture of
an AK forty seven. Some people were offended that it

(17:07):
wasn't an AR fifteen. You know, the more patriotic among
the native plant crowd, I guess if that's even a thing.
It seems I think you. I think you encountered it somebody,
you know, it's Texas. And then some people were offended
that it was a gun. In general, I had a
bunch of people commenting that they were unfollowing, which is fine.

(17:27):
That's a great way to clean house too. I don't
know why they were so upset. It was I thought
it was a joke, you know. I thought it was
kind of funny because it's so it's such an aggressive shirt,
it's such an aggressive image, and then it's on such
a wonderful positive thing. So I thought it was a
nice message. And you know, I'm not anti gun or anything,

(17:49):
but anyway, so but people got offended. They were really offended.
They were clutching or pearls and they were they left,
and I said, that's fine. You know, no one needs
to force you to stay. You could do without your
shitty meant then I you know, I've restricted you anyway,
so you can't. You're in a closed room. You're just
throwing a temper tantrum with yourself. It's so fun to
watch people do. Anyway, when we first went to this land,

(18:12):
we're gonna get the pigs. When we first went to
this land, the sounds were incredible. It was like psychedelic.
It was like the cicadas were just so loud, and
they were in all the Misquits because Misquit and Guahio
Senegalia borlander i are the dominant species there. And the
Texas tortoises were out, those adorable little bastards, so wonderful

(18:33):
to see them, and the pigs hadn't shown up yet.
And then I think just from us not being there
over the summer because we didn't have any infrastructure set
up and it was so high when you know, we
were both busy at shit that they just ran rampant.
And so now we've got this issue to deal with.
But anyway, okay, I actually I'll play the cicadas for
here we go. Kind of it sounds like it's got

(19:07):
a very high pitched sound, kind of like a like
a buzz saw, like a table saw. Anyway, I'm hoping
that we get those back. I'm hoping they come out
since this right this rain was phenomenal because West Texas
is in a bad drought. It's so dry in West Texas,
Yucas and kreusots are dying. You know. That's those stubborn
high pressure systems. All that cold descending air. Well. I

(19:32):
don't know if it's not cold by the time it
hits the ground, but you know what I mean, they
act like pylons. Those high pressure systems have been acting
like a big pylon in the Southwest, blocking any moisture
that comes from the Gulf. I think this moisture that
hit South Texas because West Texas and all the Southwest
is in a bad drop. But this moisture that hit

(19:53):
South Texas came from the Gulf. Originally evaporated off the Gulf,
off those warm waters, the Gulf of mex not the
Gulf of America and that and then hit a cold front.
I presume this is what happened. I'm no fucking meteorologist.
I wish I knew more about this. But hit a
cold front and then dropped and so and then it
started moving back east. The cult room was moving east

(20:15):
when this warm moist there hit it. Boom, it dumped
and it rained. Man, it was pissing hard. The streets
were flowing with water. I guess downtown Renosa flooded, so
all the all the nasty got the streets of Reynosa.
Holy shit, Put that in a blender, Put that in
your smoothie, Put that in your overpriced the green supplement

(20:40):
that you bought online from one of the bro podcasts.
I don't know, mix it in there. Nice the streets
of Renosa, but they were flooded. They were like five
or six feet deep, so it was it rained a
lot with which is excellent. It's amazing. We needed this
so bad. We need like four more of them, you know,
based out like a month and a half. But regardless,

(21:04):
it'll probably all be evaporated from the soil from the
top few inches within a couple of weeks and it'll
go back to being hot as balls and dry again.
But I'm guessing all the cacti payoty included will be flowering.
We had some Comanche gentlemen come down from Oklahoma to
look at the land to talk about one day them
sustainably cutting their own medicine there. And we're not set

(21:29):
up to do it yet, but maybe at some point
in a couple years we would be. You know, we
really we got to get the pigs under control, get
the land fence. That's gonna cost twenty grand probably if
not more the fence the whole perimeter to keep the
pigs out, only need it like four feet tall, but
still and they could still break through occasionally if they

(21:50):
really try, but you know, we'll be able to see
where they're breaking through. And then you have game cameras.
We got like eight game cameras up there right now.
So the comanches came down. Was all very nice guys.
It was great to meet them. And they they're from uh,
you know, law in Oklahoma near the wichitam Owens, which
I was just in when I went to uh speak

(22:13):
at the mushroom the what was it the Oklahoma Fungus Fair,
Oklahoma City Fungus Fair in October, which was a pleasant experience.
So yeah, so that was that was really cool to
have them down and I mean they just it's it's
nice to see people that are as enthusiastic about plants

(22:34):
as you are. And of course, obviously to them it's
it's a religious experience, which it is somewhat to me
as well. This is my antidote. So they went out
to the gardens and they prayed there and you know,
we told them if you want, yeah, you know, you
could have a tepee ceremony here at some point if
you want to, we just have to clear a land.
But obviously, you know, no cutting unless you know it's

(22:59):
unless you know we've figured out that it's you know,
in a certain transect, et cetera. It's got to be
all We've got to do it in a way that
scientific data can be collected. We can measure return intervals,
et cetera, you know, and then just have it be
monitored in certain transects, you know, this for this year,
and then measure how long it takes to come back.
The more I see, especially with some of the plants

(23:21):
that have been damaged by pigs, the payotes have been
damaged by pigs, they almost want to be cut. And
as long as they're cut above the part of the
stem that still has dormant buds that can sprout new heads,
new shoots, a payote head is just to shoot. It's
entirely sustainable. And as long as you know the area
is not in a bad drought and there's no other

(23:45):
you know, high impact afflictions in the population, it's totally sustainable,
as it has been for thousands of years for Native
American groups. But the pigs are really really bad. I mean,
it's the god, the damage they do. It's so brutal
to see. I was looking at photos of when we
first got the land versus now, and there's there's so

(24:06):
much damage has been done. And other good news though.
We have coyotes, we got this giant bobcat that's been
lurking around. We got Harris hawks, we got rabbits, we
got raccoons, little bastards, Texas tortoises I got. I bet
the pigs have killed a couple of Texas tortoises too,
which they'll surely encounter when they're rooting around on the ground.
Because the Texas tortoises bury themselves in the soil. They

(24:28):
make their little burrows, you know. Pencil cactus kind of serious.
Postse gray was going off last week. I was taking
a leak in a bush and then looked right in
front of me. Didn't even realize that the pencil cactus
was right there. The post segray was right there about
the bloom. And then we were back at that same
spot stretching fence a few days later, and it was
going off, big, big, you know, baseball sized pink flowers

(24:51):
and of course those spines are oppressed to the stem,
so you know, as to make it blend in with
the white stems of the other shrubs around it, like Zizeivis,
tusfolius and and black brush and senegalia, all the all
the plants here have white stems. It's it's liking. And
then I think it's probably the bark too. But this

(25:13):
habitat again, is so unique South Texas, the South Texas
thorn brush. The rain was also good for the for
the gardens that I've been planting, uh, and the developed areas,
you know, like around my tile. Like we took over
this little spot near a golf course, uh, you know,
Logan and his dad did. And then I just kind
of got in and I was like, can I plant

(25:34):
some stuff? Once you invite me to plant some shit,
it's all it's all out. It's it's you know, it's
all over. I'm just I'm gonna come in there with
a truck full of shit, be out there at do
in the morning looking like a tweaker sinking stuff in
the ground. Got to market it with bamboo posts, you know,
two three feet long bamboo posts which I get from
a little invasive bamboo patch in an alley, I got

(25:57):
my spots, go there with the little hacksauce sa. You know,
you gotta mark. You got to use those steaks when
you sink stuff in the ground. Otherwise it's gonna get
stepped on. Dogs are gonna piss out and get trampled.
No one's gonna know it's there, right, and then you
take the steaks out later. But see that's the thing
down here, is here, and especially here, you know, the
dominant culture kind of hates plants, especially native plants, which

(26:17):
they call weeds. You know. The default here, despite the
fact that it's one hundred and five degrees for six
months out of the year and there's no water, is
lawn so and they love mowing. You'll see some guy
riding around on a mowing on a lawnmower, just doing
circles in a dirt lot, clouds of shit going everywhere,
probably cat shit and toxoplasmosis dust. He's breathing it all in,

(26:39):
you know, take a nice whiff of that all the
fucking God knows what, fungal spores, what else. And it
just doesn't matter, you know, it's the lawns gotta be mowed,
even if it's not there. So that's the Texas mental.
I mean, that's a mental. You getting a lot of
a lot of places in the South, and Texas is
part of the South. But uh but yeah, so, uh god,

(27:01):
we planted a whole bunch of shit. James Peace, who
I'm starting a nursery with with limestone tortoise, Uh, nursery,
We're gonna grow almost entirely natives, a lot of rare stuff.
And so he's got his own actual greenhouse. And he
used to work for this outfit that wanted to plant

(27:22):
bogain villas and crate myrtles all that hideous shit, you know,
just horticultural garbage, you know, with no ecological context. He's
in the natives, he's into some other super rare cool shit,
and so he got it. He ended up getting his
own greenhouse given to him by this person who started
the nursery who later passed away, and so they couldn't

(27:44):
kick him out, despite they ended up firing him because
he didn't want to grow bogan villas and create myrtles
and shit, and they had no taste, no offense to him.
To those those people. The nursery won't be named, but uh,
you know, it's a diamond does a nursery whatever. So
they fired his ass and uh, but he they couldn't
take the greenose away because it was given to him.
So now we have this wonderful opportunity. So I've just

(28:05):
been giving him seeds and stuff I collect, and he
grows it out and like, and he takes cuttings he
got like Walker's man, a hot a bunch of rare
shit at Sclepias prostrata, which is, you know, he's kind
of cracking a coat on growing that both root divisions
from the tubers and cuttings. Aristo Lochia erecta, which surprisingly
no one grows. One of the coolest pipe bindes, the

(28:27):
genus Aristolochia genus of pipebindes, wonderful flowers that temporarily trap
flies by mimicking the scent of riding flesh, rotting mushrooms,
riding fruit, whatever, and having that kind of purple and
red speckling pattern on that tube flower. They trapped the
flies in there for a day with these downward pointing hair.
It's the same thing that like a pitcher plant, like

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a Saracenia or a darling Tonia does, but in this case,
you know, this flower just needs those flies to come
in contact with those sexual parts of the flower to
guinostemium the column, which is a merging of both the
stigma and then the stamens up top. They're all fused.
That is central column and uh, and it needs it

(29:09):
needs them to come into contact with that and then
the hair is not sure if they wither or if
they just become less turgent or what. But then the
flies can escape. You know. I think they're in there
for a day or two, maybe longer, because it's the
male part and the female part are in the same
column on the inside of the flower, and they're not

(29:29):
going off at the same time, because that would mean
the flower is going to fuck itself. It's going to
self pollinate itself. That's not ideal for genetic diversity. So
I think is it protandris? I think it's probably protandris.
Let me look this up. Is Aristolochia protandis protandris male first?
Or is it protogenists? Okay, it's protogenists. That would make
more sense. Yeah, because it's it's more of a basal

(29:50):
angiostirm it's more it's located more closely to the base
of the angiosprum family tree and many of the basal
angio sprims the basal flowering plant. The more early branching
lineages of flowering plants are protogenouts that are female first,
so the stigma's receptive first. So hopefully when those flies
go in and they're bringing pollen, and then probably they

(30:11):
pollinate it for a day and then it withers, and
then it doesn't wither, but the stigma is no longer receptive,
and then at that point the stamens or the anthers
open up, after the thing's already been pollinated, and then
the flies will pick up some pollen and then fly
off to another flower and hopefully pollinate it. These flies
are just getting played. Did they get anything out of it?

(30:33):
They got to because the fli's life can't beat it long? Right,
how long is the life of a fly? But it's
cool because you can cut these flowers open and a
bunch of flies come out. Aristo Lokia, Aristolochia erect I'm
getting I have so much trouble trying to get fucking
Texas botany people, and no offense to any of them
to use genus names. This is not some gate keeping,

(30:54):
you know, this gate keeping, elitist shit. It's they don't.
I don't think people understand. There's a method to the
madness of taxonomy, and that's why it's cool to use.
It's cool to learn this shit. You know, it's calling
Aristolochia erect a swan flower is retarded. No offense. Okay,
no offense. It doesn't look like a swan. It's a

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stupid name. Whoever came up with it is a fucking goof.
It's don't use it. Call it aristolochia. There's three hundred
other species of Aristolochia throughout the world. They're all cool.
They all got similar flowers. You would probably know that
they were related to quote swanflower. God, I hate that name.
If you saw them somewhere because they're a vine and

(31:36):
they've got a similar leaf, they've got a similar leaf shape.
Well you can't always go by leaves, but they've got
a certainly a similar flower shape, and so you would
see that and you'd say, Okay, I know this thing
is giant as hell and it's growing in the Amazon,
but it's I could tell it's related. It looks related

(31:56):
to a Ristolochia erect of the plant that I know
back home or Aristolochia kel forrnica or arisk Thelokia tomin
toosa if you're in the Midwest or the east coast.
So it's not you know. And if you don't want
to know the whole, if you don't need to, you
don't need to remember the whole species name, just at
least learn the genus or risk the lochia. It's not
that much longer in terms of amount of letters in
a word than swan flower, which again is a stupid

(32:19):
common name. There's plenty. There's so many stupid common names
in this state. And that's the thing is that they
change depending on where you are, Like the common name
changes wherever you go. Like they call Tribulus terrestris the
invasive goatthead. They call it GoAhead in West Texas. Down here,
they call it puncture vine in South Texas. Although I

(32:39):
don't know, it's a horrible plant. Rip it out, learn
to identify it, learn the genus name, Always ask genus
and family. I say this all the time. I'm going
to repeat it for any who haven't heard it yet.
Maybe someone's new to the podcast. Maybe someone you know, uh,
got offended by something I said and they didn't cut.
They dipped out for eight months. Not are coming back,
and they didn't. They missed it. You know it eight

(33:00):
month window they were gone. I said it before, I'm
gonna repeat it again. Okay, just learn the gene. It
doesn't hurt. If you want to get serious about the shit,
learn it. If you're like studying to fix cars, if
you're studying VCR repair at Itt Technical Institute, like it's
nineteen eighty nine. You got to learn the pieces of
a machine. You don't just make up your own names

(33:21):
for it, right, You learn that. You learn the pieces,
You learn what it does, You learn what family it's in.
That's what That's what we're talking about. The ECOSYSTM is
a living machine. The whole plant communities living machine. Bother
to learn the genus name and start paying attention to
families because you'll learn that's just plant identification. It's a
way to learn plant identification. Anyway. So we're starting a

(33:45):
nursery South Texas, West Texas, anywhere in between others you know,
shit from will grow anything, anything that's not invasive, anything
that's relevant to the ecology of North America. Or maybe
we could you know, mess around with some other stuff too,
you know, more more weird shit for people that are

(34:06):
just the interested in collecting odd plants to study or
you know whatever, noteworthy plants scientifically noteworthy plants. I shouldn't
say collector you know what I mean. Mandavilla. We were
growing what was a mandavilla, the nu genosa from the
Star County, that moth pollinated thing. God, it's amazing, thimofula

(34:30):
tougher luka. That'd be a gray one to grow. I've
got seeds coming up on the plants in my yard,
tons of good stuff. So uh yeah, we'll be we'll
be doing that. And then I guess we'll probably just
what we're not set up to do mail order, but
we'll probably be selling at events and shit like that.
So so keep uh keep an hero. You can also

(34:50):
email me if there's anything you want us to grow
or want us to look out for. Going to be
trying to get Pruna's Texana seed going again. I collected
so many seeds and I gave half the people I
gave seeds to. It was like you just got to wait,
you sow these seeds. It's a delicious native fruit and
it's you know, drought tolerant as hell and can take

(35:11):
getting blasted with hot one hundred degrees sun all day.
You just got to sow the seed in April. They'll
come up in November. I don't know what it is,
if it's warm stratification followed by a slight chill or what.
But you just got to be patient. And like half
the people didn't do that, and they just they tried
to crack them open, or they did it the wrong way,
or I don't know what they did, but they killed

(35:31):
a lot of them. And then I got other people
who got germination right away by filing the seed coat down.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what they did, but
it was remarkable because it's got like a nine inch
taproo when it's only two inches tall. In other news,
a succulent species of bamboo was described from Laos from
karst areas from karse limestone and Loos a unique adaptation

(35:56):
to seasonal drought. This is on the tropical attitudes. Obviously
got a dry season in a wet season. But this
is the first succulent bamboo species described. And I think
it's a new yeah, new genus. Lao Bambos calcareous. Oooh
and alluding to the calcareous substrate that it grows in

(36:21):
the new taxon described herein presenting a combination of both
complete seasonal deciduousness and stem succulents was collected in a
carstick massif and I'm gonna mess this, I'm sorry forgive
me for my promustation Kamuwani province in central Laus during
a red ue de simee red doi. How do you

(36:43):
pronounce it? Got a fucking horrible of French expedition? Why
to toilette? Why to toilette? Toilet water. The climate is tropical,
receiving more than two thousand millimeters of precipitation per anuum.
Holy shit, two meters. Okay, so that's six feet of
rain per year, characterized by a strong season alley with

(37:03):
a marked dry season from October to central May. Right,
that's the October to October to April May. Excuse me,
October to April May with virtually no rainfall during four
months from November to February. Remember this is the ITCZ.
The Intertropical Conversion zone oscillates between the northern Hemisphere in

(37:26):
the Southern hemisphere. So you know during during October, you
know you look in at October to April May. It's
in the southern hemisphere, and it's bringing rains down there, right,
because it's that's their summer. So it's down in like
you know, to Brazil the minasier ice latitudes bringing them
rain and then it comes back up, you know, during

(37:47):
our summer anyway. That's why it's dry, because you've got
descending air. And then of course you know where the
storms are actually occurring is the rising air, and it's
in the southern hemisphere during the North American winter anyway,
and what season from June to September with a monthly
average of four hundred millimeters of precipitation with there'so point

(38:07):
four meters, so that's like per month point four meters.
It was like one it's one point three feet right.
This plant was first spotted by the canopy raft scouting
expertit Why couldn't they just call it camp? Why do
they go about the French name on it? All? Right?
We got you know, semi illiterate Americans reading this. Red
Red dui de se me? How do you pronounce it?

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Who's French? Out there? Red Dard? They see me? Red?
Do you see me? But say it in like a
condescending mean way. You don't know, you don't know, canopy raft.
This plant was first spotted by the Canopy Raft scouting
expedition during the dry season in January, while the plants
were leafless and deflated, just like many of our spirits

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here in the United States due to local extreme xeric conditions.
That this sounds amazing. God, nothing like dry limestone to
get you hot, huh. In dormant state, the deflated aspect
of the colmbs the grass stems observed by the scouting
expedition could easily be mistaken by a non specialist as
belonging to the orchid genus Dendrobium. What the fuck you

(39:17):
could mistake a bamboo for an orchid? It's things look
so weird. I could see that. I could see that,
emphasizing the very peculiar wrinkled aspect of its combs and
main branches when dormant. When subsequently visiting the same locality
during the beginning of the rainy season, while the plants
were in full leaf and the colmbs quote inflated, it's
quote bamboois. The quality of being bamboo. The gestalt was

(39:44):
Bambooonis they got this in quotes. But it's just funny
to see. In the scientific paper the bamboonas was obvious
in exhibiting typical architectural traits Figure one. However, no fertile
plants were located. Only sterile specimens have been collected in documentary.
When does things All bamboos have a weird flowering. They're
all fucking take forever, I think, right, I think I've

(40:05):
seen bamboo and flower once. It was Chiskeia in uh In, Fitzroya,
bog and southern Chile. The author has also failed to
locate any other specimens matching our new tax on in
large international collections represented representative of the area visited. So
in the collections like they went to Orburier, they were

(40:26):
snuffing around. It couldn't nobody's seen this before. They said
this is new. I said, wow, Well, bamboo species descriptions
based on stero material only are generally on sterio material
only are generally avoided. They do, however, exist presidents in
the literature, such as Oldyania i bet tiensis originally described
as a rund in area. You know, this is really

(40:47):
I wonder what, I wonder what Lynn Clark has to
say about this. You know, the the bamboo researcher I
had on a podcast three episodes back, or was it
four episodes, I don't know, but supported by recent based
merely on stereos, but supported by recent molecular evidence. Okay,
so they're doing good DNA work on us too. The

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present paper is thus an exception of describing a new
bamboo species in a new genus based solely on macromorphological
and anatomical studies of sterile material and DNA sequence comparison.
Life finds a way, you know, So, man, how long
does it take something like this to evolve? And what
are the intermediate steps? What are the intermediate phenotypes before

(41:29):
you reach a fully genetically reinforced in the population, all
the alleles that code for the succulents, the stem suculence,
till those get reinforced in the population, and you've got
you've got a distinct new speed. How long does that
take to happen? How many generations? How many years? This
unique bamboo to be named Lao bambos laoobambos calcareous possesses

(41:51):
solid succulent calmns bearing single branched branch can part complements
Jesus Christ, I'm fucking up sorry. Calm leaves that are
persistent coreys throughout so leathery. The calm leaves are stiff
and leathery, like an old leather glove that's been left
out in the sun, but hips an old man who
you know, moved to quartzite Arizona and never was sunscreen

(42:15):
and devoid of a blade, developed oracles or oral set a.
It's unequal. Calm nodes pattern and branching architecture is very
unusual for a paleotropical bamboot. It means old world. It
means on the east side of the Atlantic, Europe and Asia, Africa. Somebody,
you know what someone actually this is like peak twenty twenties.

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Someone had a problem with the use of the world
old world, like one of these, you know, the social
justice people that forgot that class exists and focused solely
on identity and have you know, lived in a bubble
of bubble of fartsniffing academics for their whole life and
never had to you know, work a work, an actual
working class blue collar job. Okay, sorry, I forgive me,
I digress, uh anyway, but yeah, so paleotropical bamboo Old

(43:02):
World tropics and though unrelated to reminds of some neotropical arthostylidiny.
I don't what that is. It's some clayde I guess. Uh.
All right, this is not that fun to read, but
they got a diager. You should look this up if
you get a chance. This is pretty fucking wild. The
first succulent bamboo. It's so cool that succulents can evolve
in a bamboo species that it finds a way rather

(43:24):
than just being you know, rather than just losing the
ability to grow in that environment where you've got a
long ass dry season between October to fucking May. That's
a long time, man. That's seven months of hot, dry
bullshit that I would like to be in, but seven
months of hot, dry bullshit on limestone, which is reportedly
very hard to grow in soda plants. Tell me so,

(43:47):
I hear you know, ant uh, but it you know,
rather just being knocked out from that habitat, this ancestral
species that later evolved into this one and produced phenotypes
that over time were able to produce and evolve within
their population. This stem succulents, and then finally the habitat

(44:10):
started doing the rest. Just selecting for the ones that
had more and more stem succulents until the rest that
didn't were knocked out and no longer present. And so
now you had a fully reinforced population of stem succulent bamboo.
That's fucking amazing and it's so cool. Succulent. There's succulent
members of the sunflower family, succulent bamboos. Of course, many

(44:31):
succulent members in the order Carriophileles, the spinach order, the
cac disorder, the beat order, lots of course crassoles. But
a succulent bamboo that is fucking wild. Man, God, I
gotta go see it Laos. I want to go to Laos.
Bruce did Bruce, who was just on a podcast two
or three weeks ago, has spent plenty of time in Laos.

(44:57):
See some of those nice dipterocarp Us dipterocarpace, the family
Dipterocarpaesi Old world, very ecologically important tropical trees, and the
Order of Malvailey's the Order of Cotton. Oh that's nice anyway,
Oh yeah, it was cool. I was in Uh well,
I thank you proud. If you listen to the last podcast,

(45:19):
you probably figured this out. But uh, doctor Mike Powell,
curator of the Seul Ross Herbarium in Alpine, Texas, grew
out speaking of new species. Grew out that new composite
species of Vicula by radiata and u and had a
live specimen because he just guess he just gave the
seeds like a three month cold strat in the fridge

(45:40):
and then just sewed it in like a regular fine
grained potting medium and put in an east facing sunny window.
No greenhouse, nothing else, just that watered it and it
came up and and he's but he's in He's in
West Texas, so the air is really dry, so that
probably helped him prevent it from damping off when young.
But the thing is woolley is held, so we're near

(46:00):
as wooly as plants in situ. Is the plants that
I saw that we're no longer alive because they're annuals
that had already gone to seed and died in Big
Ben National Park. Did a video on it. I had
so many people sending me sending me that. When the
news broke new species, new species, I was like, yeah,
I know, man, I know the people that wrote the paper.

(46:21):
I did a video on it. Thank you, thank you
for sending me this. You're like the forty second person
to do it. But yeah, I heard anyway. But it
was really wonderful to see. The seeds are so tiny,
and it was cool. When I was looking at that,
I realized this is probably the only Actually Kelsey pointed

(46:42):
this out, this is probably the only living specimen not
in seed form, because seeds are alive too. It's only
living specimen, actively growing specimen of the species in the
world right now. Because it's so impossibly dry in West Texas.
And there were I think there were three of them
in the in the same pot, so hopefully something was
pollinating it. I think Powell said he tried to pollinate

(47:06):
them to hand pollinate him. But the flowers are small.
But having only two ray florets is really weird. It's
really weird. You know. It's like a sunflower. Anybody who's
not familiar with astrac morphology sunflower, if have morphology a sunflower,
All those yellow things that you think are petals, those
are actually raised and each one corresponds to a single
tiny flower inside that massive sunflower head that looks like

(47:29):
a single flower. And so this has the same basic
structure this ovicula. It's got a bunch of I think
ten tiny flowers grouped together to resemble one head. But
instead of having that full circumference filled with yellow ray flowers,
it's only got two sometimes three white ray flowers. And
they got that little candy can stripe on. Am really

(47:51):
peculiar habit, bizarre and I'd love to know what pollinates it.
And supposedly another population was discovered in near beautiful Sandersen,
Sanderson wonderful motels in Sanderson, the Sanderson Wash, Visit Sanderson Canyon,
Visit Terrell County. What goes on in Terrell County? Don't

(48:14):
we don't take that shit in Terrell County? Will I
ever hear it in my life? Well? Ever? Will ever
to be banned? What does it take to get banned
from Terrell County? Okay? Done? Anyway, I was taking advantage
of the rain yesterday to uproot seedlings that had volunteered
in my backyard, which is nice. It's very thick, very lush,
very green. Uh, lots of shit come up. I had verbosina,

(48:36):
my croptera, which is a little white flowered Verbusina, asked
the racy the sunflower family. We got those winged stems
that so many verbosina do. And there were seedlings coming
up all over the place, and the ground was so saturated,
so wet, this this fine particled silty clay deposited about
a Rio Grande river sometimes over the last five six
million years. It was so it was so wet, the

(49:01):
ground was so wet that you could just rip these
things out gently without damaging the roots. And then of
course when you do that, you know, they were like
someone were like two feet tall. And so I'll pop
those up and then go plant them in the garden
we got over there. Maybe I'll you know, force them
off on a neighbor, force them off, go plant them
in some of the you know, native plant gardens I've

(49:22):
put in people's yards around town. So you know, always
be pushing plant stuff on people, be very pushy, be
like that guy in the windows commercial, right, and you
point the people with your both your you know, you
point their finger and your pinky thing. You say, I
think you want this, you need this, you know you
should really take this is a really good idea. Doesn't

(49:44):
make sense this lawn stuff or hey, you know, I
noticed you don't give a shit about your lawn don't
say it like that. But if someone's got a dead lawn, especially,
say hey, could I come plant something and mulch it
and make it look nice? And then you know, when
you're going on walks, now you got something to pay attention.
You get them to look forward to, you get you know,
it's like a it's a it's it's interacting with the land. Right.

(50:07):
Maybe not everybody's got money to own a house or
to get a get a garden plot somewhere or an allotment,
So you just invite yourself, right, it's a way to
do it. Push it off on people. It's good. Plants
make people feel better. It's like a soothing balm for
the mental and emotional hemorrhoids. And most people will appreciate it.
You just don't know it yet unless they're really in

(50:28):
the cult of the lawn. But either way, in that case,
I just I recommend you take some LSD, mix it
with the mso swallowing on their door handle and just
let that go to town. Maybe you know, maybe they'll go
schizophrenic into a you know, drug induced psychosis. Maybe they'll
wake up and snap out of the bullshit value system
that they've been participating in for the last forty five
years of the life. Who knows it's worth worth a shot?

(50:50):
What could go wrong? Anyway? I uproaded, uprooted some dlias,
uprooted some fucking trixist an youlaw wonderful as doracious thing
as the race. See. Really, I like these plants that
really take the full sun. It's what I always tell
people wh they're killing there, Like, how do I start?
You're basically recreating ecology? All right, you're going to go
through primary succession, secondary succession, all this shit. Don't even

(51:12):
bother weeding stuff unless it's really getting out of controller.
It's invasive, you know, because by the you want the
shrubs you plant in to grow in enough that they
end up shading everything else and out competing it, smothering it.
That's the idea. You want it thick so that it
smothers that's you want it to be that secondary succession state,

(51:33):
you know, and then when it gets and also that's
a way to cool the land on, especially if you're
in a hot area, because you know, the last thing
you want is that bare ground getting baked by the
sun in a hot area that contributes to the heat.
Island that makes it really hard the water. It heats
up the roots, It makes the whole temperature of the
plant itself get hotter than it needs to be, which
slows down the metabolism. You know, for metabolism, for plants

(51:56):
to be growing actively and healthy, they got to be
the depending on where they've evolved, in that right temperature
range where their metabolism is most optimal. Too high, they're
going to slow down. Too low, they're going to slow
down possibly die. Too high, they're going to die too
So that's what you want. You want to protect that sun.
You want to shield that ground from the sun using
mulch or just the canopy cover of the keystone shrubs,

(52:20):
which in my case would be skeleton leaf sidney at
Tenuafolia trixis inula shit that grows fast, you know, Sniso,
Lucophylum Protestants, et cetera. Guahio blackbrush. Blackbrush grows slow, but
Guahio grows fast as hell. Senegelia blander, all those important leggings.
Find out what those are in your area and plant
those right, and plant it thick. You want less sun

(52:42):
hitting that ground, Okay, you want less sun hitting that ground.
You want that sun hitting leaves instead, and it'll smell
good at night, it'll cool the land down. And said, okay,
I'm getting I'm getting this strike there. But it was, yeah,
it was fucking great. Up. I didn't realize I basically
had a whole fucking nursery in my yard already. All
I had to do is go uproot that stuff. But
I didn't want to do it because it would stress

(53:04):
the things out if I did it while the soil
was dry. So I waited for a good range that
this fucking storm. Man, it's so god, it's so nice.
Everything's gonna be a life, gonna be a ton more
cool bugs, a ton more frogs. I got those little
chirping frogs. They'd like to hide out. I got some uh,
some bromeliads somebody gave me in a pot. I only
grow natives and what people give me, and whatever I

(53:24):
can keep alive. I'm not I'm not trying to keep shit.
That's too much of a struggle to keep alive. I don't.
I don't do that. That's that's ridiculous. I want to
grow stuff that's native and and things that are easy
to propagate, so I can spread them out like a virus.
So I can plant shit in people's yards. You know,
I could be that plant things give that give people
that soothing balm that they don't know they need yet. Right,

(53:48):
more plants means just the better quality of life for
everybody and everything. More native plants rather so uh so anyway,
So but I got these bromeliads, what is it some
of the spine anyones mean fuckers too, like bromeliads, members
of the pineapple family that are trying to be a gavees.
You know, I got like a what is it, dicky ass?
The vezi. I somebody gave me one of those that

(54:08):
happy is a pig and shit in my climate where
it's hot as hell for most of the year. And
so inside that pot and a couple other pots, there's
these rio grand chirping frogs hanging out. So cute, fucking adorable,
wonderful thing to listen to at night. They got this
little it sounds like a crosswein of cricket and a sparrow.
It's very subtle. You know, I was having feral cats
were coming in trying to eat them. Took care of

(54:30):
that situation. The cats can't get anymore. I hear those kids.
Those farrels make great fertilizer too. But anyway, so but yeah,
that's you know, the chirping frogs are going off. It's great,
there's a lot more of them. It's just about creating
habitat in a better place to live and like combating

(54:51):
this completely idiotic mentality that plants are messy or whatever,
because it's I don't know where you're at, buddy, but
I'm in a spot that's pretty repressed, right, It's pretty
people who've been bamboozled. It's pretty Uh there's a lack
of education on everything, not just plants. There's you know,
there's a lot of uh dark shit here and so
this is like the little you know, green helmet that

(55:14):
can use to protect myself and create more uh more life.
So this rain was such a boon for everything. But yeah,
so uh, part of this stuff up. I just gotta
anytime you rip stuff out of the ground, you want
to cut some of the shoots off. I know I've
probably said this before, but you want to cut the
new growth off all the shit because that's gonna wilt anyway.

(55:35):
You've you've if you've taken stuff out of the ground,
even if the grounds what even if you've used a
shovel and tried to get up a big clump of
soil or whatever, you're still going to shock the thing, right,
because that most roots are only absorbing water at the
distal ends of the roots, not in towards the center
of the plant, unless you know the root branching. Branching

(55:57):
roots will put out root hairs, but it's you know
that scent or part of the root is just transport
and storage, right. The actual absorption is what you're damaging,
because it's all at the outer ends of the root ball.
And so since you're damaging that those roots, you want
to maintain the good root to shoot ratio. Cut the
distal lens of the shoots off to the leaves if

(56:19):
you've got to trim it down so it's just a
green stick. You know, whatever you're moving, if it's a
shrub or print or whatever, do that. What you're doing
is you're mitigating the loss of moisture. You're making it
easier for the roots to recover because that moisture is
going to be being pulled up anyway. And if there's
the roots have been disturbed, they're not able to absorb
more and more moisture. They're not able to absorb more moisture,

(56:43):
the plant is going to die. So that's why another
reason why you can't really move plants. But again, if
it's been growing for a while. One of the things
I had been weed whacking or just cutting and ripping out,
but not hard enough to rip the whole plant out,
just to like rip the shots off. It was a
verbus scene in my cropt. I'd been doing it for
two or three years. And I knew that because when
I pulled it up when the soil was wet, I

(57:06):
could see it had this really thick root like it
wasn't a one year old ceiling. It was very obviously
two or three years old. And I realized that is
all that storage tissue. This thing is gonna recover. So
I ripped the shoot off. It'll rea sprout from a dormant,
but it had the thick, juicy root. It's gonna do great.
I potted it up, kept it in the shade. That's
the thing. You want to keep it. Things out of

(57:26):
direct sun and heat, even if they're full sun plants,
give them time to recover. And uh and yeah, two
three weeks, probably three or four weeks down here because
it's so fucking hot all the time, and then boom,
you got a new plant you can give to someone
plant somewhere whatever. But uh, oh god, yeah, I don't know,
it really is. It's fighting. It's like fighting it up here.

(57:48):
But because where I live too, especially, they'll mow anything.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I was just telling you about the guys mowing the
dirt lots. Completely shit for brain, no offense to them,
bless their hearts, you know. But uh fucking a. So
it's you're fighting this mentality and you got to just
be patient with it and explain to it that it's
not it's just pragmatism. Just use pragmatism. Don't use fucking ideology,
don't use any of that shit because it's not gonna

(58:13):
work on it. Just use pragmatism. And it's nice. It's
nice to have around. It's nice. It's nice, and it
doesn't it doesn't make sense to be growing crepe myrtles
and all this lawns and all this other shit. You want.
These natives. They create more life, everything's connected, et cetera.
It's just pragmatic. So that's that's what you gotta work.
But anyway, so that was the point I was fucking
great to do that. I got like thirty plants that

(58:34):
I didn't have to pay for it, just volunteered my yard.
And I would have had to rip out anyway because
they were growing too close to other stuff or gonna
shade something else out. So now I got them out,
took advantage of the wet rain, the wet soil, the
inundated soil. I podded them up. They'll be ready to
go in three weeks, all right. And in other news,
I've been making biochar, which has been I'm experimenting with

(58:55):
and I'm as a soil additive because it's hard for me.
I need what I need do, especially the stuff I'm doing.
If I'm growing a lot of stuff and trying to
get them out, plant them out, I need a decent,
you know, reliable soil source. And so that's been hard
to do because there's the field soil. The native soil
here is shit. It's shit in a pot. It's great

(59:16):
for the ground, it's shit in a pot. Uh, And
I can't I want to use peat. I want, I need,
like the best thing that I could probably think of
is find like a giant mulchpile. Go to the bottom
of it where all the mulch has been. You know,
if the mulch has been there for a while, find
the mulch that's really decomposed in powdery. It's got a
texture to it. It's almost not I mean, it's basically

(59:36):
not mulch anymore. It's like a duff, a fluffy duff.
You find that that's your organic material. You mix in
some pummice or some pearlite if that's all you've got,
mix in a little bit of other composted forest products.
Mix in maybe a little bit of sand, et cetera.
Where I am it's so hot, I don't want to
use a lot of pummus or prolite that it just

(59:58):
dries out way too quick. Only do that if you
know you're watering every day. You got overhead sprinklers or something.
But you know, getting the raw materials is what makes sense,
because you go through so much soil. It was a
lot easier when I could find this stuff. You know,
a lot of times you didn't have to pay for it.
You'd have to get like a bag of pearlite. I

(01:00:18):
get used soil from the botanic garden arboretum. I did
it a couple of times where I went to a
mulch pile and found the bottom of the mulch pile
and it was so it was wonderful. It was like
well composted forest products. Basically just ground up mulch that
fungi and bacteria had already eaten and broken down, and
then mix that with pearlite or pummics or whatever to shit.

(01:00:41):
But it's hard to do now. So I was trying
to get trying to use biochar as a soil additive,
but I'm not sure how much it retains water or
how much it, you know, holds on to nutrients. Damon tie.
A friend of mine recommends pissing on it. Literally, it's gross,
you know, if you're a prude, I guess if you're stiff,

(01:01:01):
you know, I think it's fine. Whatever. You get a
vat of this biochar after you've made it, make sure
it's the right size. You got to crunch it up
with a log or some sort of tamping mechanism, and
then or just stepping on it with your boots in
this in like a plastic tub, hard durable plastic tub,
and then piss on it. For a week, so it

(01:01:23):
absorbs all the urea and nitrogen, and then you can
crunch it up a little bit more and add it
to and use it as a soil amendment. I've heard.
I've heard great things it does so put you. There's
all this shit online the permaculture people are all about it,
but this is my first time trying it. So what
I was doing was looking for down trees. You know,
I don't use logs. You want relatively thin stuff. Biggest diameter,

(01:01:45):
like golf ball sized diameter at most, oftentimes smaller than that.
You have to start a fire, get it going, get
it roasting, Let it burn until you're starting to get
like that really fine white ash and the flames have
died down. Let it burn for a little bit longer,
another ten minutes or something, and then douse it with

(01:02:06):
water and put it out, crunch it up, et cetera,
start the process over again. That's my method, and that's
worth good for me for so far. It's really crunching
it up. You know, you want to make sure it's
like baking a kick. You want to make sure cind
the oven long enough right that it's broken down and
it's got the right texture, it's easy to break it.
You know, you don't want big pieces that are going

(01:02:28):
to be hard to break apart. You want you want
them when it's done, to be like marble sized pieces
of biochar. Maybe less, but supposedly it could take the
place of pearlie too. It'll make it because you don't
want that dense, anoxic soil. You want a more fluffy,
light soil, but one that also retains moisture without letting

(01:02:52):
the plants rot. And so this is what you know.
I'm going. I'm experimenting with this, but I'm skeptical yet.
I have yet to see how it does in our heat,
our intense heat. How fast it drives out. Uh, there's
a window for me. Because it's so high, you don't
have to drive it too fast. You don't want it
to be super thick and heavy. And you can generally
test that by just the weight of the pot after

(01:03:13):
you've saturated or one gallon pot saturated with water. Pick
it up, see how heavy it is. You know, feel
all this stuff out, think it through, Try different soil mixtures,
different ratios, et cetera. But uh, but I mean there's
a lot of downed trees by me most of the time,
either because people are destroying the people are destroying them
or pruning or whatever. But again, you don't want thick logs.

(01:03:37):
You want the right size, like you know, like if
someone trims a hedge, you know, like pinky sized diameter
up to like golf ball sized diameter sticks, and you
want them to be uniform enough, you know, you don't
want a bunch of different mixed in. Maybe you could
do that. I don't know. Either way, We're gonna see
how it goes, and then a pissing on it. You

(01:03:57):
just keep it in a vad. I mean, I generally
take a leak outside anyway, because I'm not trying to
waste water. It's gross. I'm not gonna, you know whatever.
And I like pissing outside. It's it's nice. I enjoy.
Someone tells me if I'm at someone's house and we're
hanging on the yard and say can I can I
take a leak and the bushes over there? And they
say instead, no, you can go inside. That's a mark

(01:04:18):
against them. I will hold that against them. I will
judge them. Right. Why the fuck? Why do I want
to go inside? I don't want to. I don't wanna
don't unless I know you? Why do I want to
be inside your house? I don't know? You know, that's
something your personal space. Man. And also what he is stiff?
You're afraid that this piss on? What's going on? Any
plant person worth their salt knows that piss is nitrogen.

(01:04:39):
It's good for the plants, it's good for the ground.
You want to dilute it with water and parts one
to eight, but uh, you know, one part pissed eight
parts of water. But still I will judge you. Only
only half joking right now. But anyway, the point is
instead of pissing, I say, just piss a piss in
the vent, you know. And and it's funny. You can

(01:05:01):
you know, you could vibe people out. You could use
it as a good conversational ice breaker. You could use
it as a way to make people the right kinds
of people uncomfortable. It's a wonderful opportunity. Now I just
need to find out where to get good and composted
forest products. Neither find like a good mulch yard, you know.

(01:05:22):
Or maybe I should just see if I can call
like the city. They'll come drop a dump truck load
for like fifty bucks. See if I could do that
and then just let it break down, I'll have to wait,
but you know, you let it. You let it go
through six months, water it too, don't let it fully
dry out. Water the mulshpile and the fung guy will
break that down. You get a nice a nice organic material.

(01:05:45):
Who the fuck uses pete? Sto God, Pete is brutal.
You know, I understand we're all star some of us
don't have any options. Maybe, but Pete is terrible, especially
if it's you know, being ripped out of Pete bogs somewhere.
A cocoa core can be all right, but it's often
got salt in it. I've noticed that hasn't been thoroughly
leached out. So those composted forest products. A big mulch pile,

(01:06:08):
all the shit at the bottom, the bottom foot like
a ten foot tall mulch pile, like a maintenance yard somewhere,
for a municipal maintenance yard of a city or a
town or something somewhere. Man ask him if you can
get in on the bottom of it and then mix
in is if you got horseshit or something too mixed,
add in worm castings. Whatever been the compost. I had

(01:06:31):
a got someone people give me these bromeliads, so I
forgot who get Dylan gave me a few. And then
another gentleman from Fresno, I think his name was John,
I forget, hello, sir, if you're listening to this, sent
me some vermeliads, and one of them I put in
this clear plastic rubber maid container that was had opened
no lid on it that I had put a bunch

(01:06:53):
of spent mushroom compost and then dumped some food composts
that had already been through the tumbler into and I
put and it was like this black goo. And I
put this vermeliad in it, and at some point but
it was in a pot and the roots had gone
through the bottom of the pot tapped into this rich
black organic shit and just gone nuts. And the thing

(01:07:15):
looks healthy as shit. Now it's in the shade. I mean,
it's like under a shade structure. But uh, forget what
it was. I wonder if it was a dicky or what.
I don't know. I take a picture and it hasn't
flowered yet. But but again, more habitat for the chirping frogs,
you know, just recreating an ecosystem here. You know, it's like,
what does that video game the kids play? What is
it the sims? I don't know. I'm not even gonna

(01:07:37):
pretend I don't know to think about video games anyway.
One of the last things I wanted to talk about
too is somebody wrote me and they I guess someone
they were out of Where were they out of Ohio
or Pennsylvania? And they were using native planting stock from
Prairie Moon Nursery, which has a great mail order selection
in which is based on in Minneapolis. And they were

(01:07:59):
using this same species but obviously, you know the same
species that occur there also occur in there this region
of Pennsylvania, some of them, and this person was using
they were convincing people in some like fucking drab suburban
neighborhood or something to plant native and they couldn't find
out where to go. There weren't any native nurseries in
this region, so they were just ordering from Prairie Moon.

(01:08:20):
And then someone else was, you know, given them hell
because the ecotype from Minnesota, it's not the it's not
the Ohio Pennsylvania ecotype, but which is like it's I
get where you're going for there, But it's nearly the
same kind of climate. The many plants, many other organisms,
many fungi, many insects share that same distribution with Minnesota, Minneapolis,

(01:08:46):
that area being at the western edge of their distribution,
in Pennsylvania, New York, et cetera being at the eastern
edge of their distribution. That it's yeah, it might be
slightly phenotypically different, and you know, maybe not measurably so
by looking at it. Maybe if you looked at certain,
you know, parts of the genome, you'd be able to

(01:09:10):
see it. But it's again, it's just an ecotype. It's
it's an ecotype that's been selected for under Minnesota conditions
as opposed to Pennsylvania conditions, which are not that different.
Maybe obviously Minnesota is a little bit colder, but you know,
at the end of the day, it's a mass extinction.
Why would you give someone hell for not you know,
this is the thing I asked too. I asked the

(01:09:32):
person who told me, I said it was a person
that was doing this Caucasian. Because this is some and
I'm not identitarian, obviously, you know that I don't buy
in all this shit, But culturally speaking, it's a very
Caucasian thing, right, It's a very cauca using it as
as an opportunity to lecture someone and bust their balls
because they're not doing something exactly the way that you

(01:09:53):
want them to do. It's a very Caucasian thing, upper
class Caucasian. It's a very it comes a very elitist.
You know, they certainly wealthy cook I'm not talking about
like working class living in a trailer cookite, you know
what I mean. That's some very Caucasian shit, some very
snob nosed bourgeois Caucasian shit. Let them do whatever. I

(01:10:15):
don't understand some of these local ecotype Nazis, you know,
being hyperbolic here. Of course, you gotta be careful. There
are actual Nazis around today, right, Elon, Elon. But you
know why, I just I think the thing too is
is you're not gonna like pollute. I think there's this

(01:10:36):
idea that you're gonna like pollute the genetic line. If
you bring in alleles copies of a gene and introduce
them same the same species. We're talking about, the same
species from five hundred miles away, introduced them to the
population in this place. That's you know, uh, five hundred

(01:10:56):
miles away. Take them from five hundred miles away, bring
up like Minnesota, take in to Pennsylvania. It's not it's
not that bad. It's in my opinion, it's not all right.
You might be wasting your own time. I mean red
maple here's a great example, grows in Maine and it
grows in northern Florida. If you're taking Northern Florida plants,
which some individuals in that population may have high cold tolerance,

(01:11:22):
some may not, nothing's been selecting for it because it
doesn't get that cold in northern Florida and you put
them in Maine. Worst case scenario is some of the
plants you plant might die. They might be more sensitive
to cold than the red maples that are from the
main population. But you're not going to pollute the genetic
line because natural selection is still going to be the

(01:11:42):
environment's still going to be selecting for what works in
that environment. What doesn't. It's this weird thing. It's like,
I don't don't I don't get I understand why it.
It's best to stick with ecotype. But if you can't
do it and it's hard whatever, then don't trip on it.
Don't worry about it, and certainly don't lecture anybody because
they're not doing you know, native plant restoration in a yard,

(01:12:05):
not even in fucking habita in a yard. They're not
doing it the way you think they should, like just
back off, man, layoff, ease up, you know. But this
the local ecotype thing is like God, it's so weird.
It's just some people just fixate so hard. And you know,
I don't know, without really understanding it seems what's going
on evolutionarily speaking, you're going to pollute the genome of

(01:12:29):
yeah whatever, man, I mean, especially given how much plant
distributions have shifted back and forth over time, over tens
of thousands of years, hundreds of thousands of years, like
you know, especially in like Chicago area. None of that
stuff was even growing there fifteen thousand years ago because
it was all under ice. So, you know, don't worry

(01:12:51):
about it. If it's native to the continent, it's native
to the region, similar climate, similar cast of pollinators, you know,
other eco other parts of the ecology that are interacting
with that species, share that same distribution. Don't worry about it,
right because the worst thing you're going to be doing
is just wasting potentially wasting your own time in cases

(01:13:12):
like where you're planting red maples that that you know,
the seed was collected in Florida and you're planting that
species and in Maine, or like Qurcus virginiana. You know,
the live oaks, You're collecting a population from Florida, a
much more humid, higher rainfall area and planting them in
Texas might be just wasting your time. They're not going

(01:13:34):
to be as well adapted to the Texas climate as
Texas Carcas Virginiana or better yet tech you know, Corcus fusiformists,
the native what looks like a live oak, you know
the what it looks like Corcus virginiana, but it's different.
Qurcus fuse siformists is different to Texas species. You know,

(01:13:54):
it's not going to do as well as though. So
that's why local ecotype matters. It's it's you know, how
different are the climates. I mean, in the case, if
you're growing stuff from Prairie Moon and you're sinking it
in the ground in Pennsylvania, it's probably gonna be fine.
It's I don't think anything that you know, throwing the
place to see and I'm sure Pennsylvania was getting as
cold as Minneapolis is now. You catch what I'm saying.

(01:14:16):
So don't fixate too hard on that. Now. If you're
planting in like a native plant area, like a restoration
area that's supposed to be a wild population, you want
to use local ecotype, absolutely, But for someone's yard or something,
just now, it's fine. Don't worry about it, all right,
Just relax, Okay, go fucking hassle somebody about something else.

(01:14:36):
That's some other little bit of minutia that doesn't really
matter in the end, you know what I mean. I
want to talk about something now that I was deeply
offended by this. Really this hurt me. Okay, I have
I have my sensitive spots, and I have things that
make me feel bad about myself, and receiving this email

(01:14:59):
was one of them. Hey, Tony, picture this while surrounded
by nature's beauty in my own garden. I thought of
your podcast and the incredible story. Tony. I'm gonna leave
the gentleman's name out. I don't know. I don't know
who this is could tell on your show is the

(01:15:20):
head honcho of blank Orchids. He's managed to cultivate profits
tripling sales and crafting flourishing partnerships with giants like Trader
Joe's and Kroger, Oh, Kroger. Blank's tail is entwined with

(01:15:40):
a fascin like tail. Ta l. E's not a furry Okay,
this is t a l his story. I think this
is written by AI. In fact, it almost certainly was.
Is entwined with a fascinating heritage, steering the ship from
roses to orchids with his father. That sounds dangerous. His
journey resembles. It's an intricate orchid pattern shaped by a

(01:16:02):
master's in business from USC. God, because I fucking love
people that have masters, And there's no faster way to
give me interested in what you have to say and
to tell me that you have a fucking master's degree
in business from USC and strategic insights from Blank and Blank.
Today Blank is not just blooming, but also pioneering eco

(01:16:24):
friendly practices and community connections. Oh but here's the secret ingredient.
Ooh there's a twist. God, this is just I'm just
I'm shitting my pants as I read this. Oh, I
just feel so uncomfortable. His deep rooted ties to Dutch
greenhouse farming traditions. Blank could bring your audience an inside

(01:16:46):
look at how these practices intertwine with modern sustainability efforts.
There is no sustainability. The ship is sinking, pal, it's
late stage capitalism. We're all gonna fucking die, all right.
Just get it in what you can, all right. Don't
play to win, just play because it's fun. That's my

(01:17:06):
own personal philosophy. Let's chat more about how this story
could fit seamlessly into your show. Looking forward to hearing
what you think best. And then she signs her name.
I This offended me for a number of reasons, primarily
because I was offended that they thought that I would
be interested in this. I was more offended that they

(01:17:27):
want to come on to my show. I don't feel
like they've listened to the podcast. I've done everything I
can to make people like this. Angrily press the stop
button when they're listening to this and switch to something else.
I don't know why they're following me. I don't know
why someone thinks that a master's degree in business would

(01:17:48):
give me a stiffy in any way, shape or form.
Figuratively speaking, of course, I don't. It doesn't It makes
me uncomfortable. It makes me. It's like that scene in
Wayne's World where Garth is like, he's he's I forget
who's talking to him. Somebody one of the like musicians,
one of the music company CEOs, and he's getting uncomfortable
and just wants to leave. That's how I feel being

(01:18:10):
in the same room with people like that. Why have
I not done enough to alienate and turn off those
kinds of people? Why do they want to come on
my podcast? Why would they think they'd be a good idea?
I'm offended, frankly, I really am. I'm outraged. But here's
the secret ingredient. Get the fuck out he is. Here's

(01:18:32):
the secret ingredient. Get the shit out of here. Here's
the secret ingredient. A shart. That's it's a combination shit
and a fart. This is a botany con This is
a botany podcast where we produce content that talks about sharding.
Why would you want to go? You produce orchids for
Trader Josen Kroger. I used to shoplift from Kroger when

(01:18:55):
I was in my early twenties. I don't do it
anymore right. Some people think it's an ethical could start
stealing from a big corporation. I guess so. You know
at the time, you can't blame me for so there's
statute of limitations. It was twenty two years twenty two
years ago. All right, it's been a long time. I've
come a long way, but still apparently not long enough.

(01:19:17):
Not I have not come far enough. I'm still getting
emails like this. I don't want to have anybody who's
I really hope they're not listening, because I don't want
to hurt anybody's feelings. But they're probably not. I think
this was ai written. You know, these publicists just cast
a wide net that you know, sales are slumping. We
gotta sell more of these are what are the orchids?

(01:19:38):
What are the orchid genera they put in like the
the Trader Joe's They got some of my stuff there,
sometimes has nice plants. What you know, sales are slumping.
This cast a broad higher a PR firm, they'll cast
a broad net. They didn't do their research. They didn't
realize this guy talks about sharding on his podcast and
realize you know a lot of people, especially a lot

(01:19:59):
of younger people in academia. You don't even like this podcast.
They're offended by it, right, They have a problem with
everything that comes up, you know, and this is not
a popular podcast among this demographic of people, and that's
very intentional on my part. So I'm confused as to

(01:20:19):
how this happen. Is there something I'm doing wrong? You
write to me, you tell me. Crime pays A body
doesn't a Gmail that can? You write to me? You
tell me? Is there something I'm doing wrong to be
getting emails like this. I don't want to be getting
emails like this, especially AI write a fucking write three
You're gonna make me read three paragraphs? That is shit?
Just say, hey, I do this. And I love when

(01:20:40):
people try to invite themselves on my podcast too. You
can't do that. In most cases, it's not gonna work.
It's just not it's sleazy, it's low, you know, unless
there's something you really want to talk about that you think.
I don't know whatever. No offense to anybody who's done that,
by the way, It's just a lot of people have
done that. You don't even know. I could not. Maybe

(01:21:01):
I'm not talking about you if you did this, maybe
I'm not even talking about you anyway. Fucking fucking Kroger
orchid breeders. Get the fuck out of here, no offense.
You're the best to you, sir, You're doing great, just
not here. I had another friend tell me that the
I guess they were somewhere in northern California and they

(01:21:23):
were among the They mentioned they were friends with me
or that the there's something about this podcast and someone
and it was the exact cultural demographic I knew it
was going to be. It was like a like, well
to do Caucasian with no sense of humor, very quiet,
kept in themselves. This said that they heard that this
podcast was problematic, which it is. It is a problematic.

(01:21:46):
This is very problematic. Right partner to the dinner table
talking about sharding at the same time you're talking about
natural selection. This is very the bar is low here.
This is not you know, that's a certain demographic that
supplies to maybe certain people will want to listen to
this in their car, they want to listen to it

(01:22:06):
in public. They don't want people knowing that they're they're
fans of the podcast. Maybe I don't know. I don't know.
I can't blame them, but hopefully everybody gets something out
of it. Anyway, let's talk about the yeast. There's a
really great book called The Fifth Kingdom by Bryce Kendrick.
I've got the third edition here. Yeaes the polyphyletic fungi

(01:22:29):
polyphyletic meaning they're not related. It's a term like algae.
Doesn't mean that it's not a solid monophyletic clade. It's
not an evolutionarily interrelated group. It's just a designation. It's like,
you know, uh, they could be from different spots on
the different locations on the tree of life, you know

(01:22:53):
what I mean, not all on the same branch. Everyone
knows the word yeast, but very few people have much
idea to yeast really is. And if you were still
aware that the name is applied to organisms of very
different origins, you were about to join that elite group.
Is that an elite group? Hess are mostly but not allic,

(01:23:14):
unicellular organisms, some of which are useful to humans because
they raise bread, put alcohol in beer and wine, and
are a high protein food supplement. You know, you put
not yeast on your popcorners them as well as a
rich source of B vitamins. But there's much more to
them than that, and they have a darker side. Some
are implicated in food spoilage. This is a fucking great book.
I haven't read it in ten years. I dug it out.

(01:23:37):
I was going through I couldn't sleep last night, so
I was going through my bookshelf trying to organize it.
That's what the kind of nerd I am. But it's
got a lot of great diagrams in it, the Fifth Kingdom,
and it's all about fungi. And I suggest you pick
it up where you can. It might be on Libgen.
I have Spectrum as an Internet provider. You're probably gonna
see a lot more of this shit under Trump too,

(01:23:58):
you know. Is he just totally takes you just further,
deregulates everything, just all. It gives it all to the corporations.
And I was trying to go on Libgen and Spectrum
block the fucking side I had to go use. I
had to, you know, turn on mobile hotspot on my
phone and use my phone's connection to access Libgen. It

(01:24:18):
was fucking absurd. It's crazy that they can plain. They
said it. They did it under the auspices of saying
libgen wasn't safe. But Libgen's fine. I had no issues.
There was no spam for a while when you were
going to live gen there was spam coming up. That's
not the case anymore. I guess I don't know what's
going on with libgen, libgen dot iss, there's libgen. There's
a couple other suffixes you can put on there. I

(01:24:41):
always just do libgen dot is. But uh, anyway, I
wonder if this is on it. Let me see if
Fifth Kingdom is on this. It is Fifth Kingdom an
introduction to Mycology fourth edition. Oh I don't have that.
I got the third edition. Let's see if Spectrum is
gonna let me it's worth buying a hard copy. If
you get suspicious site block you motherfuckers. That's crazy. This

(01:25:06):
site was blocked because it may contain unsafe content that
can harm your device or compromise your price. She gets
the fuck out of here. It was blocked because it's
it's given pirated books. You sleeze bags. See if Anna's
archive is blocked too? These motherfucker do you believe these?
Do you believe these? These people? Huh? These companies? Uh? Okay,

(01:25:30):
what was the oh? Fifth Kingdom? See Anna's archive makes
you wait? You gotta wait a minute for air. But
it's worth it. I wonder if spectrum is gonna be
If Spectrum tries to block it, I'm gonna lose lose
my ship. Please wait thirty two seconds, Please wait thirty
two seconds. It says, okay, it's let me downloaded. It's not.
It's not blocked. That's great. I downloaded a meteorology textbook

(01:25:52):
the other day too. That was a nice one. It
was a nice fucking gotta get into that. It was
like a six hundred page meteorality. God, I forgot how
great this book is. Kingdom's Classification, Nomenclature and Biodiversity Chapter one,
Chapter two A mixed bag protozoan, pseudo fungi, Kingdom, protozoa,

(01:26:12):
the so called slime moods. It must be British mixostealita, dicto, dictyo, stellita, pleusmodio, fourida,
et cetera. Pseudo fungi Kingdom Chro mista you my cot
and fungi the mainstream and others. Philum zygo mycota, glomero,
mycota microsporidia kingdom you my coota sub kingdom Dicaria philum

(01:26:39):
seven asco mycota the asco my seats and filum eighth
in chapter five Bisidio Mycota Jesus christ Yees Compact Polyphilica.
You gotta get this book. This is this is fucking great.
Downloaded to micro rises. Oh that's great. Mutualistic plant fungus
smbiosa's anyway, I'll end it there. I I'm gonna be

(01:27:00):
in New Mexico at the end of July along with
Alan Rockefeller speaking of my cology. Where where where the
fuck we go? I can't remember where we're going. Oh,
that'd it yet? A New Mexico Mycological Society and beautiful cloudcroft.
I haven't been to New Mexico in so long. I
got so many nice memories. You go to the Cooks Range.
You see that disjunk population Arizona cypress on the north side,

(01:27:22):
right there, lots of Apache history right there. My daughter's
liight pan. It'll be good. Hope that can bring her with.
When these Comanche guys came down, they were telling me
some stories about how the light pans and the apaches
made peace. And it was the liepans or the lightpans
and commanchees. Excuse me, lipan liight pan, Apaches and the

(01:27:42):
Comanches and the light It was the Lippans that introduced
the comanches to Peyote, supposedly, so uh anyway, uh with
interesting stuff anyway. So New Mexico, God, there's so much
good shit there. I look at like my little photo
al I got points all over the state, so much

(01:28:03):
good stuff. Get the gyps up by Albuquerque, gyp some beds,
town Sendia, Gypsicola, a bunch of cool met Zelia's Facilia's
all those gyps of endemics. You got that. You got
gyps some up the wazoo. You got cool pictographs. You
got uh. Down by the Guadalupe Mountains north end of

(01:28:23):
the Guadaloupes in New Mexico, you've got all the refugia
sites where you can find species that occur much much
farther east. It's so bizarre to see them in the
rocky mountains, and they're growing in this tiny little canyon,
refugial canyon that's much cooler and blocked from the sun
than the surrounding mesa, which is dominated by junipers Depiana,

(01:28:44):
alligator juniper mono culture of junipers Depiana, maybe some other
stuff off top. And then doug fur and fucking madrones
and oaks. You got chestnut oaks down air, bare corn,
that parasitic place. I'm always here. I'm always shitting on
common names. I can't conophilis a bunch of good stuff

(01:29:08):
in that that little refugeal canyon at the north end. God,
there was so much cool and perridally and limestone. And
then as the canyon opens up it turns into more
Chihuahua desert stuff. Those little refugia are so cool, though,
little refugial canyon in the Chihuahua desert, And you can
get an idea of what that landscape must have looked
like in the place is seen when it was cooler
and a little bit wetter. And then this as a

(01:29:30):
climate changed over the last twenty thousand years. The uh,
these plants just got stuck in this little canyon. They
can't grow anywhere else. It's far too hot and dry.
So anyway, I'm excited to go back to New Mexico.
So I'll be there. I've got some other Maybe i'll
be in Chicago in May. I don't know. Somebody invited
me to some but they like, we can't pay you.
When I was like, like, I don't have any time

(01:29:51):
to do anything. I'm losing my mind. And I, you know,
I have to. I have to get paid to go
up there, so I can't do shit for free. I'm sorry.
And then there's a couple of there's something else I'm
doing in Austin May. I don't know anyway, but New
Mexico should be fun. I'm stoked for that. And then
I'm going to Costa Rica Sunday, being flown down there

(01:30:12):
to look at some very interesting plants high altitudes, low altitudes,
you know, high humid, lowlands, high altitude, cloud forest. I'll
be in Atlanta end of April. And I don't know
what else I got going.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
I don't I can't keep track anything. I don't even
know where I am. Half the time, I'm like Jack,
my senior Doug who's turning sixteen in May. Happy birthday Jack.
He looks like I see him, and he's just like,
let me go. I'm just I'm ready today. Just let
me go. I don't want to be anymore. Poor guy.
I give him hugs and fucking cook sausage for him,

(01:30:50):
you know, whatever I can do. So anyway, that's that.
Thanks for listening. If you want to order some shirts,
I got a couple of shirts left, kill your lawn,
thorn scrubs sanctuary, steal your education. The sy hub shirt
with the crow my own drawing and a crow and
a key and a blackbrush vicelli orige a doula keystone

(01:31:13):
species of the thorn scrub. And go out there, you know,
get ready to check out the biogen strap two. Please,
it's fucking awesome. It's a good company. And also be
ready to be planting stuff this season. You know, just
unauthorize the planting wherever you can. Really, you got to
respect that fence line method of sewing. Also rebar for

(01:31:33):
places they might mow, you know, if it's too if
they're if you can always protect your stuff with reebar.
If you're worried they're going to come in, city's going
to come in, mow your lawn because they deem it,
or mow your native plant garden because they think there
should be a long there instead put boulders, put rebart
through whatever you can. Very important stuff. Just don't step
on a rebar. You know it is a hazard. You
could fall on it, kill yourself. Okay, that's all I got.

(01:31:54):
He a grecard. They go fuck yourself by

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