S28E1: ExPat Life: How to Live Your Dream Life Abroad with Roshida Dowe & Stephanie Perry

Hey lady! Do you ever want to take a Jet2Holiday somewhere far, far away from here? Look around, everyday there is a new reason to want to leave the United States and start fresh somewhere else. That’s why Terri and Dr. Dom welcomed Roshida Dowe and Stephanie Perry, co-founders of the ExodUS Summit, an annual virtual summit aimed at helping Black  women clear barriers and blocks to living their best lives abroad.

Roshida and Stephanie dive right in and address some of the most pressing issues that Black women face when they consider a major life shift. Can I afford it? Where will I find the services and care I am accustomed to? Is it safe? They offer their unique perspective on how living abroad can actually be life-changing in all of the right ways. Don’t believe us? Check out their radiance on Patreon. They are glowing with peace and positivity and want you to find some of your own!

Maybe a huge move isn’t in the cards for you just yet. Have you considered taking a sabbatical from work to recalibrate and reassess how you want to build this one big, beautiful life of yours? Stephanie and Roshida offer sage wisdom on why being real about your capacity can help you stave off burnout and open up new pathways to self-exploration and self-fulfillment.

How?

Join them at the upcoming ExodUS Summit being held October 10 – 13, 2025. Use this link to secure your seat at the Summit! Holla at us on Instagram lady. If you are thinking about a move, where are you headed to?

Quote of the Day:
"Money shouldn't be the reason you stay."
– Roshida Dowe and Stephanie Perry  

Goal Map Like a Pro Workbook
Cultivating H.E.R. Space Sanctuary  

Where to find ExodUS Summit:
Website: ExodUS Summit 2025
Twitter/X: @exodussummit
Instagram: @exodussummit
Instagram: @shidad
Instagram: @vaycarious
YouTube: @StephaniePerry  

Resources:
Dr. Dom’s Therapy Practice
Branding with Terri
Melanin and Mental Health
Therapy for Black Girls 
Psychology Today
Therapy for QPOC  

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Episode Transcript

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(02:01):
We are so excited for today's conversation. If you live
in the States, I'm gonna just say this, you know
what's up, Okay. Many of us are trying to get
the hell up out of here, and that's why it
is a must that we bring you this informative conversation
with the founders of Exodus Summit. Rashida daw was a
burned out lawyer for high pressure tech companies who retired

(02:23):
at age thirty nine. She's now in love with her
expat life in Mexico City, her favorite city in the world.
Then we have Stephanie Perry, who quit her job as
a hospital pharmacy technician to travel the world for one
year and guess what, y'all, she never turned back. She's
been a house sitting nomad since twenty fifteen. So Exodus

(02:45):
Summit hosts virtual and live events and workshops that show
black women ways to plan their exodus, all while fostering community.
The Exodus Summit community is now twenty six thousand plus
black women strong, and their signature event is the annual
Virtual Summit, where Black Women's speakers teach Exodus Summit attendees

(03:06):
specific strategies to make their own move abroad money. And
if you're tuned in before October thirteenth, twenty twenty five,
you're in luck because the Virtual Summit is coming up
October tenth through the thirteenth, so there's still time to register.
Stephanie and Rashido welcome to cultivating her Space.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Thank you, friends. We're super excited.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
We we are too, all right, So since we are all
really excited about this conversation, let's dive into our quote
of the day, all right, Stephanie and Rashida. This quote
will sound familiar to you all because this is from
your website. Money shouldn't be the reason you stay all right,

(03:52):
And I'm gonna say that one more time for the
folks in the back. Money shouldn't be the reason when
you stay. Okay, Now we know when, at least for me,
when I hear that quote, I know that that could
be applied to so many different life circumstances, but specifically

(04:20):
thinking about moving away becoming an expect what does that
quote mean.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
For us here? We've been talking to black women who
want to move abroad for six seven years now, and
we hear a lot of reasons that some people can't
or feel like they can't do it, and almost all
those reasons can be chipped away at.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
But this year we're.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
Really focusing on why money shouldn't. Money isn't money's a reason, right,
But if you want to get around the money, how
do you get to it.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
We've really been I'm solving.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
With our community for the past six years of helping
women past six summits, saying hey, if this is if
your problem is X, how do we solve for X? Right?
If you're if you feel like doctor Dom, I can't
move abroad because of why. How do we solve for
doctor Dom's why? And this year we're working on tackling

(05:21):
the money issue, because even though it's not as much
of a challenge as most people think it is originally
when they first think about the move, it is the
shows up as like the big bright, red flag challenge
all the time, even if, like I said, it's not
actually the thing that's in the way.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
The United States is really good at telling you that
other places are a problem, right, and so it's really natural.
It's normal for people inside of the United States to
think it's just too expensive to go someplace else. If
healthcare costs me this much here, imagine how much it's
going to cost me if I move abroad if I
don't have a job right where it is. Actually the

(06:02):
opposite is actually healthcare. When you leave the United States,
healthcare can become so much more accessible. We don't even
have an idea really what universal health care is. It's
a real thing to us, it's a term. To other people,
it's really how they live their lives. But inside the
United we get told as Americans that money is a
reason that we have to do a certain thing. It's

(06:24):
a reason that you have to stay sometimes in a
relationship that's not right for you, sometimes in a job
that's not right for you, and absolutely definitely in a
country that's not right for you.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
We absolutely do not believe that at all.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I appreciate you two sharing that because as you as
we were doing research for the episode and as you
were just speaking, it made me think about how mindset
is so important. It's like, what is the narrative that
you're believing? Because I had to catch myself health well,
I can't move because of this and that, But it's
like hold but I like how your solution based and
so in getting started with something new, it can be
a very scary journey for people. Can you talk about

(06:59):
we kind of cover for your origin story slightly in
the bio and the intro, but can you talk about
how you two met and then that exact moment when
you both were like, hold up, we need to create
exodus summit. Like what was that?

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Like?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Rashida and I both quit or left jobs to travel
full time, and we both shared that on Instagram and
on YouTube, and we had a mutual follower who was
just like, I think you guys should know each other.
So Courtney Courtney.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Connected the two of us. We reached out to each other.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Rashida had me on her YouTube channel as a guest,
and I was like, she gets it, this lady, she
gets it. Now we're friends, right, I don't care what
you thought. This was supposed to be a one time conversation.
Now we're friends. Listen, Terry doctor Dom be prepared, because
that's kind of how we move. We became friends and

(07:53):
we were just sharing out in the world our own
experiences being black women who grew up in the United
States and getting to live in other places and move
around other places and see how much better our lives were.
And that became a business. But it started out just
being two women who had the same had a very

(08:13):
similar experience, and knew that there were more black women
who would benefit from hearing about it. We just wanted
to share and create a place where other black women
could say, oh me too, oh me too, because if
you hear it enough times, you start to think, well,
this maybe.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
It is actually possible.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
If Rashida and I are telling you, you may think,
well that's for you, that's for y'all. But if you
also hear from black women who have partners, who have children,
who have disabilities, who have health challenges, who have money challenges.
Right when you hear from a whole gang of black women,
then it.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Becomes more likely.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So this became a business because we wanted to make
sure that nobody was feeling like I'm excluded, I'm left out.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
This isn't for me.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
Actually, I want to add one more point. It became
a business because someone in our community. We interviewed her
on a mutual YouTube video and she was like, you
guys should do it in person event and this was
twenty nineteen and we were like no, no, And then,

(09:21):
you know black women, we're always going for each other forward, right,
whatever that forward looks like. In twenty twenty, Stephanie came
back to me.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
And was like, what if we did it online?

Speaker 6 (09:30):
And we've been doing it online ever since and it's
really been a joy for me. First, I'm talking for
Stephanie for a second, for Stephanie, for the woman in
our community, for the woman who didn't think it was possible,
but in seeing the possibility, models from Exodus of It
now know.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
It's something that they can do.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Okay, I'm already. I'm already loving what you all are sharing.
And one of the things that you all mentioned earlier
was essentially around the American mindset and how we have
been socialized and conditioned to think a particular way about

(10:15):
our lives here in America compared to other countries. And
like I always think about when I travel internationally, how
they have these lists of places that you shouldn't go
because it's probably going to be dangerous. And then when
I look at the list, most of the lists are
countries where for people of color, and I'm like, I

(10:37):
grew up in New Orleans, I've lived in Oakland, I've
lived in Houston. I feel like those places might actually
be more dangerous than this country I'm going to.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
So can you.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Tell us, like when you all first moved abroad, what
were some of your experiences in terms of that culture.
Shock of Okay, this is what they would America try
to make us think about this place, And here's what
I'm really experiencing.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
I think for me, part the big.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
It's not a surprise, but like it doesn't really click
in your brain until you're out there in the world.
You know, I live in Oakland, I've in a lot
of places where you know, but it's not like it's Africa, right,
It's not like it's it's the Caribbean where anything could happen.
Not Mexico, where I live now anything could happen. But
being in these places where and not in all places

(11:35):
around the world, but in a lot fewer places than
you would expect, is state sanctioned violence against the members
of a society acceptable, right, like an everyday thing, right
in places where it's like, oh no, the police don't
just shoot you that part at traffic stop, right like

(12:00):
that that rewired my brain. And I'm not saying it
doesn't happen in other countries. I'm saying I don't live
in those countries. Right, Like, Now that I've left a
country where where that was okay and that is seen
as okay, I won't be moving back to another country
where it is okay because my systems can't handle that anymore.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Right.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
I have recovered from that constant stress of like will
I survive a situation with the police with my neighbors?
Will I be able to go to the grocery store?
Will I be able to go to church? What are
the situations that are unsafe for me simply because someone's
having a bad day or believes a crazy thing. Now

(12:44):
that I'm not in those zones, I'm not both. That's
what I recognize that as danger now, not brown people,
not black people, right, brown and black people simply surviving
in countries that have been ravaged by the West, right,
so trying to to survive and make a way in
communities that have been destroyed by the countries that are

(13:06):
now claiming they're unsafe, those are not the scary people
to me, right, And so I am careful about where
I go. I don't think that every place outside of
America is safe, but I go where I believe I'll
survive the day where I may. I may be a
big en of crime one day, right, I might, but

(13:27):
it's it's not. It's not that state sanctioned constant in
your back. Why does everybody have a gun? Kind of
live I don't live in anymore.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
You hear people sometimes.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
You hear people sometimes when when French people are out
there protesting, you hear people saying, why can't we do that?

Speaker 5 (13:50):
And we're like, you see how the police aren't shooting.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Them, okay?

Speaker 5 (13:55):
And how they leave that protest and go home.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yes, fit with their little trolley lines and their hot dogs,
all the thing, just grilling.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
We will get disappeared.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Oh, we will end up on a work farm somewhere
and never to be seen from again.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
No, That's why I.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Had serious culture shock around the US versus them idea,
the idea that the stranger is danger. I've been around
the world and people have been so good to me
for no reason, with no expectation that I could do
anything in return for them except for say thank you,
and not even in their language.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
People have extended themselves to me over and over again
around the world without any concern about my outer packaging.
I just they It's clear to them that I'm not
from there. I'm on a little island in the Philippines.
They know I'm not a Philipina. They know, and they
know I'm lost and I need some help, or they
don't want me to get lost, and they want to

(14:56):
sit with me and make sure I get on the
right bus.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
Right.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
I've people take good care of me around the world,
which made me understand that I have a place in
the world, when the United States is constantly telling me
that I don't belong anywhere and nothing is for me,
being out in the world changed that I can't I'm
never going to believe.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
That lie again.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
It's so powerful and the way you I'm still sitting
with the fact that you know the reality that many
of us have kind of probably numbed ourselves to living
in the States, like, oh, I see an officer. Oh
there's a possibility that this may happen to me. Right
like that, I feel like there needs to be like
a mental reprogramming for I'm assuming other people because in
my mind has shifted and I feel like I need

(15:43):
to have some more reprogramming. That's so incredible. I appreciate
the way that you broke that down for us. Now,
I'm thinking about a conversation that you two had with
I believe it was Reverend doctor Angela, one of your
good friends, and she moved to Mexico with her husband
and three kids, and I was like, what, how did
she do this? So amazing? And she said they were
boycotting in winter, which I'm like, I'm signing up for it.

(16:04):
Let me show me how to do it. So what
would you say, kind of going back to the conversation,
we just had, what are like three to five mindset
shifts that you think are necessary in order for someone
to make this type of transition.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
The first one I'm going to say it might be
the one, right okay, and that is that whatever you
think is standing in your way, some woman has already
moved under those circumstances. Right. So like, if you think
you can't go with kids, river, doctor, Angela, just move
with her kids. And now her kids are and two

(16:41):
dogs and two dogs. Wow, And now she got three
dogs and the kids are what are her kids?

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Is here?

Speaker 6 (16:47):
Engaged all her business in the streets, engaged Mexican man
right living hers adult children, two of them were back
in college in the US. Like life doesn't stop when
you move, right, Like they live really healthy lives, okay,
real quick.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
I saw them this weekend. I saw I saw.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Angela and her husband this weekend. And we really do
we do what we do to support women. Women are
always the support of their family, the backbone of their family.
We know that by helping women, we help black families.
Angela's husband sat me down yesterday and said, this is
the best time of his life. This period of his
life is the best it's ever been. The Like this

(17:32):
is a grown man, right, Like my big cousin sat
me down and said, this is the best my life
has ever been. And he credits us for that because
we helped Angela get out and that got the whole
family out. And it was like, it was really really
touching to me because you don't talk to men, right,
We talked, okay, women, but men like men get the

(17:54):
benefit of that, like if you know, if you think
you can't because you have a husband, they're telling me like,
this is the best his.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Life has ever been.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Encouraging and oh my gosh, I mean that's that's such
a powerful testimony or statement or an endorsement of this.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
This is the right decision, right.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
And So the other thing that I think about is,
and I think Stephanie you might have mentioned it earlier,
is about health care and insurance and and so, and
I think about the number of black women who have

(18:42):
so many health conditions that are specifically tied to the
stress that we experience in our lives as black women.
And so can you talk to us about what is
it like navigating insurance and health care in other countries?

(19:07):
But then also how does your health overall shift when
you move abroad? There are black women who.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Understand that their job and their environment is killing them, right,
but don't see another life, don't see another possibility. And
then those women decide at some point that they're going
to change that, leaving the country and leaving the idea
that you are the.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Work that you.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Behind will it will heal you from healing work for you.
Navigating health care in another country is generally so simple
that people think that we're not telling the whole story.
In the United States, have are healthcare associated to our jobs,
and so if you don't have a job, you don't

(20:05):
have health care. If you do have a job, your
healthcare might be still crazy expensive, whereas the rest of
the world doesn't.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Operate like that.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Your health care is not associated with your job. You
can show up in a country. There are countries where
you can show up and get your little temporary visa,
your little temporary residency visa, and now you're in their system,
like their social security system. Not to sound like toot
in France's horn, but you can show up to France
as a student, right or you know you want to

(20:31):
study French for ninety days or six months, you can
show up in France as a student. They make you
enroll in what they call social security. You have to
enroll in their healthcare system. Now you got you know,
five dollars doctor visits or whatever it costs.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
There are other.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Places where you're not necessarily enrolled in the system, but
everything is so accessible that you're going to.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Get everything done.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Okay, whenmen go to Mexico and they're like, let me
get my well women's exam, let me get the whatever.
They're women in our community who went to Lumpur in February.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
We were in Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
We had we hosted a meet up in Vietnam, and
some women bopped over to Malaysia.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
While they were out there.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
For four hundred and some dollars. They got a full
work up, everything you can imagine done, all the scams,
all the blood work, all the whatever's done for four
hundred and something dollars. So there's an out of pocket affordability.
Plus there's a an inclusion into the universal or universal

(21:31):
health care system that is so unfamiliar to us.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
We just don't.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Believe it until you experience it, and then you're like,
and what else.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Can I get done?

Speaker 5 (21:39):
What else can I do?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Let me add some more things to this this right
I'm about to go get I have root canals and
crowns done in Costa Rica.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Now I'm in Bogatah.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I'm like, let me get this bridge done right, Like
what else, Let's add it on to the list. Because
instead of health care being a reason to stay, just
like money shouldn't be a reason you stay somewhere, neither
should your healthcare in the United is really holding us
hostage in the way it treats health care and connects
health care to our work status. But because it's not

(22:07):
like that, in the rest of the world, you can
get good quality health care for pennies on the dollar
and no longer have to worry or fear getting older,
no longer have to fear what that can do to you.
So many people are in the United States just afraid
to retire because they don't want an illness to come
and wipe out all of their life savings.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
I don't have that fear.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Listen, I live in Columbia where ninety seven or ninety
eight percent of the people are covered, including me.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I don't have that fear.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
And for you, if you're listening to this, you're like, okay,
but I don't want to pay out of pocket.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
And I don't want to be in the private with
the public system. I want private insurance.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Most of the women we know in our community are
pay one thousand dollars, twelve hundred dollars, fifteen hundred dollars,
eighteen hundred dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
A year for insurance waiting for you to say a month, okay.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
You said he And that's private insurance that they don't
even need, right like, this is just in case something happens.
That's what they're paying for a full year for some people.
I think we have a a family that's paying let's
than two thousand and for the couple for two of them, right.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
On top of definitely mentioned it's cheap.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
I woke up the other day and realized, I feel
like something's going on. I should go to urgent care.
I walked down to the pharmacy. They got a little
clinic in there with a real doctor with a real license.
I've been having a problem for a little while, couldn't
figure it out. When in there, she figured it out.
She got me right.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
The doctor's visit was three dollars oh, and was there
a way? No?

Speaker 6 (23:46):
Did I have to fill out four thousand forms? Okay,
get an approval from anybody to see the door. I
walked to a version of urgent care. I paid three dollars.
I went next door to the pharmacy. I got the
meds that I needed. I went home. I was feeling
much better next day.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
See, and that is care.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
There's care and health care.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'm a black woman who has never felt in the
United States like my my needs were addressed in the
healthcare system.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I never felt like I would showed up with a
complaint and was seen and treated and felt good about
the end result.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
But you know, you go to other places and there's
actual care. There's actual They do house calls, right, I
believe I've had.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I had a house call here with my little My
little insurance policy gave me a free, free house call.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
There's actual care, and they don't you. You're looking at
a health care provider who is not looking at you
with any kind of pre with any prejudice. Right, They
are seeing you as a patient who needs care. They
don't have the same history, the same view of us

(24:55):
that you're gonna that I had experienced inside of the
United States. It's good care. It's good care.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
When I go to the doctor.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
I'm usually talking to them for at least twenty thirty
minutes of just talking before we get to any kind
of examination.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Listen, that's just talking about that.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, we were just talking about that. This is so inspiring.
I feel like I literally have a million questions that
have just run through my head. So I'm going to
try to stay organized in my mind here. Okay, not
to be fear based, right, but I think this is
a real legitimate thing here. We have all heard about trafficking, right,
and again, I think this goes back to the narratives
that the US and people just try to sell us, like, oh,

(25:34):
you go to this country by yourself, this may happen,
or even if you go with the group, right, this
may happen, and the stories that sort of get highlighted.
What conversations have you seen around that is that sounds
like it's not a fear for you all. Just tell me,
like what comes up for you when you hear that?
For people who have a legitimate concern about that, I.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
Compare most of my thoughts about what might happen in
another country to what might happen at home in the US.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Right, Yes, every day, and nobody cares.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
That's that's true, right, there are there is more harm
happening to African Americans in America than in all the
other countries around the world.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
Right.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Plus I'm looking fifty in the eye.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Anybody trampicking me, I'm tired traffic me to the bakery
unlessen right, like, we're not. But I've never there's never been, honestly,
there's never been a moment where I felt like this
is unsafe. There have been moments WHEREUND like, oh, this
is unfamiliar, right, Like where I live. I'll walk down

(26:40):
the street and a random man will just in making conversation,
will be like, where are you going? And in my brain,
I'm like, that is not a safe question to ask.
I don't know, that's what are we doing here? But
it's just a slight cultural nuance where that's just him
being friendly. In my brain, I'm like, he's trying to
slade me in the van, right, But it's not that,

(27:03):
it's just he's making conversation.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
There is no van. And not that women aren't hard
I live in Mexican.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Not my hoops aren't harmed in Mexico. I am not
the easiest target, right, Black women, Black American women, any
American woman has a little bit more privilege in that
space than maybe women from other countries. The Blue passport
keeps us a little bit, a little bit safer outside

(27:33):
of the US than.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
It does in the US. I'll say that's right, okay.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
So and so speaking of our safety in here in
the US, anti black racism is real, right, as we
all kind of spoke to it already. But we also
know that anti blackness is a global concern. And so

(28:03):
what has it What has been your general experience in
terms of racism or anti blackness in other countries.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I found that I don't have to prepare for it
like I do in the US. In the US, you
kind of have to put an armor on. I'm from Delaware,
and if we go far enough down south in Delaware,
you got to prepare yourself and you have to have
a plan. I drove not too long ago from Delaware
to Charlotte, North Carolina, and I passed through Virginia, and

(28:35):
I had to make sure I don't I go to
the right gas station. I happen to see a whole
gang of black men sitting outside one gas station in
rural Virginia, and I said that's where I'm pulling over.
I'm going to that gas station. It's not as though,
like you said, anti anti blackness is everywhere, it has
a far reach. White supremacy did its thing right, but

(28:57):
there's a difference in the way that you have to prepare.
Some of it is because when you are in another place,
even when you live there, you don't things can't impact
you the same way, right, And so the systems can't
beat you down the way that they can in the

(29:17):
United States because you know, you just moved here and
you probably don't need to deal with applying for jobs
in another country. And the things that the places where
anti blackness was really gonna cut you aren't necessarily things
that you're gonna deal with. When you're in another country,
You're just going to be out going to restaurants and
wondering did they not seek me first because I'm black?

(29:40):
Or is it because there's six of us and there's
only two of them? Is this a thing I need
to unlearn?

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Do I need to take off some of this guard
and take down some of this guard?

Speaker 4 (29:51):
There's less.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, I think there are fewer ways that it really
cuts when you're in a different place. When you're at home.
Cut it hurts. It's prevalent, and you have to prepare
for it. I don't walk out of a store in
the US without my receipt in my hand. I've been
pepper sprayed by a security guard before. I keeps my
receipt on me. When I go around the world, I forget.

(30:17):
I show up to pick up my clothes from the
laundry lady, I don't have my slip.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I'm sorry. She just hands me my clothes.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Right, there's a different amount of a different type of
protection that you need to have in the US that
you don't need around the world. And so that's what
I hope that we can see and experience. And also
it's a thing that a mindset shift is a thing
that we need to prepare for in a different way.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
It looks different, and I want to add on to that.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
That's also part of the privilege of the Blue Past book.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Right, Like so Sephanie said, when you're not.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
Living at home. So for the Afro Colombians, with the
Afromaganos who are in Colombia, in Mexico, the Afro indigenous
around the world, they're generally not having the same experience
because the way anti blackness can't impact them is impacting them. Right.
But a lot of times the American passport is seen

(31:09):
as like a class indicator, and in some places class
doesn't bypass racism, but it kind of like it impacts
it in a way. Right, Mexicans have to say that
they're not racist their classes, even though the poorer people
tend to be the browner people. So it's suspicious. But

(31:35):
that's just something that's commonly said, Oh, we're not racist
for classes.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
It could be neither, we we can whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I Yeah, part so insightful. So when a woman who's
listening wants to consider her big move and establish roots abroad,
what would you say are some of the things that
she should get in order, like when it comes to
getting her fairs in order, or any critical actions to
help make that transition smoother for her and her family.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Girls, start getting rid of your stuff today, listen.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Okay, this is the it's a thing that seems like
the easiest thing, that is the hardest thing. Your home
full of your belongings and your stuff is not going
with you into your new life.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Can you say stuff, Stephanie, When you say stuff, can
we be specific? Because I can see black women right now, like, wait,
what do you mean?

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Like all of it?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
You're not taking it? Okay, You're not taking your furniture
with you. You're taking much. You're taking few of your clothes, right,
You're most of those some of those momentos, those things
that just remind you of the good old days, most
of those things.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
They're not going with you.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
It's hard, it's a hard thing, but it's necessary if
you want to move forward in another country without spending
thou and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars ship
in a whole house.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Full of stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right, your new life is going to bring you new
momentos and new things, and new clothes and new furniture, new.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Nick knacks.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Start today cutting some of that stuff out.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
A lot of the things that we value, that we
hold on to, they won't have a place here in
new life. I think that when you when you move,
it's a good way to figure out what you what
you're caring about because of sentimentality or some history, and
what is actually like important to your life today. I
love me some high heels. I live in a street.

(33:39):
I live in a town where you can break your ankle.
Any minute, it's going to be a sidewalk.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
I've been. It's it's tried. I'm tripping in sneakers. Right,
So I have all these heels here. I brought that.
I brought them with me. I'm the Maximus of the crew.
I brought them with me. I don't even wear them.
Why are they here? What are we doing?

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Right? So there is that shedding things. I would add,
You're going to have to shed some people.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Everybody, would you. Everybody's not gonna make it. Some people
shed their partners, and I'm so proud of them. I'm
so proud.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
You don't have to though, you don't have you don't
have to get rid of your partner to leave. But
for some people it's the best choice they can make, right,
a little divorce party and get on a plane, right
like this is this is great, bye bye. And for
others it's you know that friend who friend who keeps
doubting me, We're telling you you can't do something, or

(34:41):
you're hating aunt who every day is like they don't
kill you over there in Jamaica, right like right, And
not that you need to end your relationship, but a
lot of times your relationships with the people in your
life are going to change because you're going to be
making choices that don't suit them listening, This journey is
one where you're going to making unconventional choices, and everyone's

(35:03):
not gonna be able to live with your unconventional choice. Yeah,
that's that's okay. Yep, Okay, I can see that for
a lot of women. Yep.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
And so.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Let's say that someone is not.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Quite ready.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
To leave all their books behind and leave all their
high heels in the closet and get rid of their
favorite piece of furniture. How can they plan out maybe
a sabbatical or an extended leave from their job so
that they can they can try out living abroad.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
We both took sabbaticals first. Well, Stephanie left a job
and was like, I'll come back and get another job
in a year, and I was my job left me,
my job laid me off. And I was like, well,
I'll come back and get a different job in a year,
because I'm looking for a job right now. So with
the idea that like, we just we have X amount
of dollars and we don't thug it out for a
year and see what happens. Separately, of course, not knowing

(36:07):
each other. And the thing about that is that you
give yourself enough freedom.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Oh you know, I don't care about the books no more,
or say big got you can get them.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
You will be reading the e version of that book
in like a year from now. When I was on
my break, every day of freedom was a day. It
was a day harder to go back to work or
go back to our life. After about three months, I
was like, I don't think I'm moving back to Oakland.
And after six months I was like, I shall.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Never have a job again. I don't know, I don't
know what I'll be selling, right, I don't know what
I will be doing to support myself.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
But I will not be clocking into anyone's job ever.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Again.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
Can't do And that's it's just living life in America.
We are not allowed to live life on our own terms.
You're allowed to be a worker, right, and more and
more the type of worker you're allowed to be is
dictated to you. Because I'm good, government jobs, they're not
for you anymore, right, that's not for you. Right, Maybe

(37:17):
when all the farm workers are gone, we can go
work in the farm again. Maybe, right, They being free
and being able to wake up every morning and say
what is it that I want to do today? Like me,
not what do my friends expect of me to do?
I'm on vacation, I'm in I'm in Cairo. I have
to go see the pyramids today.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Maybe it's mostly been, Maybe it's wont to watch. Maybe
I'm lay on the couch and watch Netflix today.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
Like waking up every day and being able to say,
I want to do this thing today, and so I'm
going to do this thing today and tomorrow there's something else.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Is an experience.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
I did not value because I did not know the
possibility of it and I did not know the life
changing aspect of it. To really wake up and have
the freedom of saying.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
What shall I do?

Speaker 6 (38:10):
You're not going back to work, girl, You're not going
back to the shoes, to the books, any of that.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
But don't tell them that, Rashida. I don't think we
should tell people that doesn't take us sabbatical. Take us sabbatical.
It's easier, it's sure, it's cheaper, and you don't have
to deal with things until you come back. Yeah, right,
hambadical birth, but you will come back changed. I didn't
go on my sabbatical thinking that I was going to
find myself. I just wanted to go to some places
that I had pictures of that I had never seen before.

(38:37):
And man, did I meet the real me out All
this time I was worker Stephanie, or student Stephanie, or
sometimes not good daughter Stephanie, whatever, but I was I
was not the fullness of me until I got to
be in a place where work didn't matter, work didn't
have a say, where black excellence didn't have a say,
where nobody looked at me, where nobody had expectations that

(38:59):
I had to live up to. Right, nobody had demands
from me. And Rashida's right. You can't go back.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
You can't go back.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
I mean, can you go on to You can probably
go back. If you go for two to three months,
you can probably go back. You get outside of us
for more than five six months, it's a rap.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
It's a rap.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Okay, mm hmm. This is just okay. So I'm thinking
about a couple of things. This is listen down, and
I about to book our flights. So if you see
us as neighbors soon. So if you've inspired, you've inspired us. Okay, Yes,
So I took a sabbatical a few years ago for work,
and it was a very interesting experience because I found

(39:41):
myself wondering what do I do? Like who am I
outside of the work that I'm doing? And it was
a whole identity shift. But I want to ask you
having a lifestyle, this is not a sabbatical. This is
a lifestyle for you. So I can imagine that being
in a space where you have freedom, where you have
more space to be more of yourself. I'm assumed that

(40:01):
there have been some therapeutic experiences you kind of alluded to,
some Stephanie, or even some enlightening experiences. What have been
some of those experience for each of you, because it's
not like you've been traveling a lot solo, you know,
over the course of your time outside of the state.
So what has that been like for you when it
comes to your relationship with yourself and the enlightenment that
has come from being in that space.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I learned a lot of things about me were so
I interviewed it. She did not interview a woman who
said this, but it applies to me to she said,
she realized how much of her was things that she
had to put on to survive her environment. A lot
of the things that she thought, and this is me too.
A lot of the things that I thought were just
my personality, that's just how I am, was not me.

(40:46):
It was what I had to do to survive where
I lived, where I grew up, you know, to survive
the Central Ohio, to survive the United States, to survive
the Black Church, to survive all these things I had to,
you know, put on these things at a young age
and couldn't tell what was me and what was external.

(41:08):
And so man, it was amazing to go out and
be able to question everything I thought about myself, everything
I thought about the way life should be, and say,
why do I think that? From small, relatively small things
like you work until you were retirement age and then
you're set free and realize that no, I don't, I

(41:30):
don't subscribe to that. I want my freedom today. Okay,
from things like that too, Like I am, I would
self identify as a hermit. But I also found out
that I really loved to talk to a stranger. Let
me sit down in a mall in a country where
I don't speak the language, and let somebody somebody comes
and sit down and tries to have a conversation with me.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
We gonna try, We're gonna do it. We're gonna talk, Okay,
We're gonna talk the best.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Whereas Central Ohio Stephanie would never talked to a stranger,
would never allow this thing to happen, because that's not safe,
that's not the way, that's.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Not who I am.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
That so many parts of me were buried or suppressed
that I didn't know. And it was just because I
grew up under these those conditions in the US, in Ohio,
in the church, in this environment, in black excellence. And
it's been fantastic to meet me and you know, languished

(42:34):
and doing nothing. I'll be like people now today when
people ask me what I do, what do I do,
I'd be like as little as possible, not so fun.
It's been amazing to meet my own self. I didn't
leave until I was forty one. I didn't leave the US.
I didn't leave on that Sabbatica until I was forty one.

Speaker 7 (42:54):
But it was it's been it open and opened me
up and introduced me to myself as a real whole person.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
You touched on wh did you touched on it earlier?

Speaker 6 (43:08):
About like your health and how things change overseas. I
had quite a number of chronic conditions that the doctors
were like, good luck with that girl. I don't even
know what tell you, like, uh neil a joyful unemployment
told me that a lot of that was just from stress, right,

(43:30):
A lot of it was just from stress. And having
doctors that listen to me and care and can spend
more than three four, maybe ten minutes in the room
with me got everything under control. I went to a
doctor once here and he was like, just do this,
to do this, and I've been like, I've been doing
these things you're telling me to do for twenty years,
spent everyone under control. That man looked me in the

(43:50):
face and said, well, you've never seen me before.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
And I was like a little too much? Did find
your chip a little too much?

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (43:59):
But he wasn't wrong. I hate I hate I love
it and I hate it at the same time.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
A little too cocky, sir, right, but completely uncontrol now
right in a way that like my body has had
time to recover from the constant onslaught and the fear,
like that ingrained fear that we live in the US.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
I'm not living under it now.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
And between that and like I said, doctors actually listening
and carried and trying to fix the problem because it's
not just in my head, and I'm not just you know,
a black girl like a shoe out of their office.
My health has improved. Every aspect of my health has improved.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Before Dom chimes in really quick, I just want to say,
you're both aging backwards. The skin is skinning. I saw
something on Instagram. I was like, what are you doing
to your skin? You look amazing? You like fifty where
forty one. I'm just what okay?

Speaker 6 (44:52):
So to say that joy welcome joy and freedom is
abom okay.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
So then may and maybe freedom is the answer to
this next question. But in terms of thinking about as
I'm looking at both of you on screen and and
I'm loving your natural hair. And one of the things
that I experienced, particularly here in the US, is that
certain certain stores you go in don't have the things

(45:20):
that you need. It depends on your neighborhood, right like,
there are certain places where they will not have the
products that you need to maintain all of the beauty.
And so for you all, thinking about the products that
you may have been used to using when you were
living in the States to what you're using now, like,

(45:43):
how did that shift?

Speaker 6 (45:46):
I put things basically in two categories of things. One
the category of products where I could use anything, right,
I leave, like you just need leading conditioner, Like it'll matter,
just give me Leading conditioner that product versus the there's
a very specific thing I want for this product. For
the I can use anything. Maybe if Canto makes it,

(46:07):
if Shade Moisture makes it, you can find it anywhere
on this planet, any anywhere on this planet, right if
if you can deal with a dove everywhere, every single
place you go, you can find kind of those generic
products and the generic black products as well. Some places
have more than others. Mexico City fortunately has in some stores,

(46:28):
has a wide variety of black hair care products. I
can go down to the Sally's and get stuff, right,
you want a little made entail. If you do, they
got it at the Sally's.

Speaker 8 (46:37):
Right.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
There's the globalization means that products like specific products for everywhere, for.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
The things that I'm like, I need a very specific thing.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
If I can't get it online, somebody come to town
sometime and I'm just gonna be like, hey girl, I'm
gonna ship the steelhouse.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Slide it in your suitcase. And bring it to me.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
And that's how I get by with things if it's not.
I haven't been back to us in a while for
very intentional reasons, but usually I would go maybe two
or some times a year, and I would load up
my suitcase. So I'm coming back of the things that
I need this specific product. Now, I'm just like, who's
coming to town?

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Who can?

Speaker 6 (47:14):
And part of that is being our larger community is
twenty six thousand women. Somebody's coming to town, right, somebody?
And if you're in the community, right, if you join
our community, you're in there with us. Somebody's coming to
your town, whatever, wherever you move to. One of your
sisters is coming to town too, and they know what it's
like not to have the products they want.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
They will bring you what you want.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
They will ask you, right, people will ask you before
they come all right, what can I bring you?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah? Same done.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
There are so many questions that we could ask you,
but I think we're at the point where we need
to transition. So I guess the question that I want
to ask is, what's something that we haven't covered that
you really think we need to cover. Hopefully, whoever's listening
they're sold and they're going to exodus someone. Because, like, girl,
if you want to move out of States, what are
you doing? Like, you need to be right to staring.

(48:05):
The link will be in the show notes and we'll
be sharing the link all over. But what's something we
happen covered that we should definitely talk about before you
head out.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
I want to slip two things in.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Okay, First, people think that it's a little harder to
get residency. Some people assume that you need citizenship in
another country, or it's harder to get residency than it is.
There are some countries that lay it out really plainly.
If you have this much in a bank account, or
if you make this much every month, come on, apply
for your residency visa. Come on down right. I got
residency in Mexico very easily. I don't even live in Mexico.

(48:38):
They don't even ask me do you plan to live here?
They didn't ask me any questions. What nothing right. Residency
can be more simpler to navigate than people think. And
the other thing I want to slip in is that
most of the women in our community don't move to
another country by getting a job in another country.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Most have or work.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
On a way to make money separate from a traditional job,
whether that means a remote job or your own business,
investment income, rental income, alimony. Right, something most of the
women in our community don't move abroad by getting a
job in another country, just like other just like the

(49:20):
United States is like, no, you can't come and take
our jobs. All the other countries say the exact same thing.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
But we don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
A black woman who doesn't have a skill set, doesn't
have the skills to pay her bills with her brain
online somehow we can do it or you know. So
those are a couple of things I wanted to slip in.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
I'm going to slip in a third that's kind of
in the middle of what Stephanie said. A lot of
our community doesn't move to a place. They pack a
suitcase and they are here for six months. They are
there for three months, they're there for four back in
another place they loved for six months, which means, right,
they don't have to go through the residency process tourist.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Visa in that country. Days need to show up we at.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
The airport, Kiki and with the passport officer, honey, and
get on through. Right, Maybe they need to be a
tourist visa maybe now we'll see, depending on the country.
But also that really leads to not getting a job
in the country you're going to and taking a job
that's portable with you, right, And that's that's one of
the reasons we stress.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Figuring out a way that you.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
Can make money and dependent of an employer is honestly
one of the best things you can do for yourself
within river abroad, which is why it's so prevalent.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
In this year's Exodus Summit. We're really going.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
Hard on that because if you want to be in
Malaysia one week and South Africa the next week, your employer,
it's going to be a little probably a little challenging.
But if you make your money your way, do whatever
you want, work at whatever time zone you want, show
up whatever you want to. And it's really been a
blessing to watch women do this around the world and

(50:56):
model it for the.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Rest of us.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
How okay, I mean, yes, we really could sit here
for another two three four hours asking questions, but we
know that most of the questions that we could ask
you all will be answering in your Exodus Summit, And
so one more time for the folks who might not
have heard it at the very beginning. Can you tell

(51:21):
us when the summit is and how can folks get
their tickets? Exodus Summit twenty twenty five is all online.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It's October tenth through thirteenth, twenty twenty five, and tickets
are Oh well, you will have a special link, So
there will the link.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Y'all will have to give people a link to register.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
This is the way, friends, This is a way that
y'all can thank Terry and doctor Don for creating this space,
for creating this this environment, this community for y'all use
their link.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
To register for Exodus Summit.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Okay, but it's online October ten through thirteen, and our
speakers are coming in to teach you how to make money.
More than twenty black women speakers are coming in who
are experts at making money in a particular way, in
a way that could take you around the world, and
they're going to teach.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
You how to make money in that way.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Just because there are twenty some speakers doesn't mean you
need to have twenty something pathways to making money.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
You pick one to maybe.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Three at the moment, you know, you pick a couple
that fit you and you come to Exitus Summit, those
speakers will get you on the pathway to making your
first dollars doing that thing. You don't have to let money. Well,
we started out with that money should not be the
reason you don't leave. And so the speakers come to

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exit as Summit to teach that this is our sixty
year hosting this summit, Our community is all in, our
community is fantastic. This is like part workshop, part family reunion.
And it's a time when you set aside this focus.

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This weekend, you focus on these things and you make
real progress towards something that maybe today just seems like
a wish. You come to exit a summit, you make progress.
By the time the next summer comes around, you know
you're gonna have to dial in from Mauritius or some island.
You're gonna have to dial from Fiji. You know you're
gonna have to dial in from somewhere else because you're

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already out of the country.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
And one of the things I love about the summit
the most is that we hire all black women speakers
and we pay black women right, So it really is
a way, like.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
I know sometimes people.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Can be hesitant of like I've had a bad experience
to the summit before, or I've had a bad experience
at a conference. We really ingrain our speakers. This is
not inspiration time. Like we have a keynote from Rachel Rogers, yay,
that will be inspirational. You get one hour of inspiration, right.
The rest of the time is going to be a

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real how to. And part of respecting the how too
that the women are coming with is paying them. You
buy a ticket from black women, and as black women,
we pay other black women to teach you how to
do a thing so that you can go make money
maybe from other Black women in a healthy and whole way,
from other black women. And so I really love watching

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the money flow through the community.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
Right.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
It's a beautiful thing to know that Black women were
told so often that what we do should be done
for free.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Right, if you have a gift, you should give it away,
you should not charge for it.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
You can't charge black people because they ain't got no money.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
No one's going to pay for this.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
And we like disrupting that right with the idea that like,
if I tell you you have to work for free,
then I should be working for free. And then and
so if we are insisting that anyone works for free, right,
or that they don't deserve to be paid for their gifts.
None of us should be paid for us our gifts, right,

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And that's just not how we work. We think as
black women, we are so special when coming so whole.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
We've done, We've done.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
So much work to get to where we are. We've
been so disregarded over time by other communities. We want
this to be a different space, a safe space and
almost like a holy space for your gifts.

Speaker 8 (55:22):
Right.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
We want you to come in with your gifts and
learn how to use them from people who are using
their own gifts.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
That is so incredible, so inspiring, and I didn't realize.
I think you all probably should have told us this.
We didn't realize that you preached on Mondays, both of you,
so we appreciate you letting us know at the end
of the episode here though we kind of peeped it
through help. But this is so amazing. Thank you so much,
ladies for the work that you do for the community.
We'll make sure to add our special link in the

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show notes promoted on our Instagram and share anything else
that you all want us to share. But is there
anything else in closing that you want to share with
the listeners.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Just thank you for.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
Listening and taking the time, and we hope to see
it for the Summit to Madge twenty five.

Speaker 8 (56:02):
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Speaker 1 (57:11):
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