Coke, Vice, And The Line Between Vices And Values

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SPEAKER_04 (00:40):
You know, sometimes I just get this feeling on uh
Wednesday evenings.
And it feels, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
Even when you talk, it takes so long.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01):
I promise you that there was no cocaine done in the
production of this entry, guys.
Because we know that that'sexactly what Cammy uh was
talking about, but it doesn'tchange it doesn't change the
record, though, right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:15):
This is a cocaine song?
This is a cocaine song.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18):
I don't know.
The way that it sounds it I'vealways thought that.
I could be wrong though.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26):
You know, we're not gonna do this, but I I honestly
wish America was ready for anhonest conversation about
cocaine.

SPEAKER_05 (01:39):
What do you think that that honest conversation
looks like and would be acentered around?

SPEAKER_04 (01:47):
How recreational and common cocaine use is amongst
all demographics in thiscountry.
Okay.
I mean, because you know theblack community is oh nigga, you
fuck your nose up.
It's like I I know some some uhsome highly functional people
who use coke regularly.

(02:09):
I also know some low-functioningcokeheads, you know, just like I
know some high functioning drugsand drunks and low-functioning
drunks.
I know some high functioningpotheads and low-functioning
potheads, you know.
Like I you know, we when westart talking about the big
three in substances, is youknow, it's like booze, dope, you
know, yeah, nicotine too.
Yeah, nicotine, obviously, andthen coke, right?

(02:31):
And then not rushmore.
Let's go for it, you're right.

SPEAKER_05 (02:34):
Well, my my my thing would be it's kind of like uh
it's sin, sin, right?
When it comes to when peopletalk about somebody's sin versus
another sin, but if it's sin,it's sin.
Exactly.
It's the same thing with withdrugs and anything else.
It's like, well, vice is vice.
It didn't even have to be drugs,but vice is vice.
Some people are addicted toporn, they can look at that as a

(02:55):
drug.
You can look at um beingaddicted to sugar.
There's some people that thatthat eat a lot of sugar, food.
I mean, there are so manydifferent ways that you can
break this stuff down, and Iguess it just depends what
avenue you want to take it.

SPEAKER_04 (03:12):
But um, I agree that a conversation around coke would
probably um really probablyPete, it's not about cocaine
within itself.
It's about all of these otheroutside uh factors for judgment

(03:35):
that we place on people thatdon't uh paint an accurate
picture, right?
Like we allow these, we allowcertain outside things that
carry way more weight than ithas in in the evaluation of a
human being, right?
So that's more so what it'sabout.
So I say, like, hey, uh let'snot call people dope heads

(04:00):
because they use certain drugs,let's call them dope heads
because they've allowed the dopeto consume their life and
they're incapable of utilizing asubstance or a vice and still
being a high-functioning memberof society, or not even
high-functioning, a functioningmember of society.
And it could be dope, it couldbe lies, it could be womanizing,

(04:20):
it could be drinking, it couldbe gambling.
You know what I mean?
Like well, DV is different.
DV is always well I'm justsaying there are some people
that get Well, you know what?
Honestly, maybe.
Well, no, no, no, no, honestly,there's a real conversation
around DV that can't be hadbecause people are afraid to

(04:42):
have it because it will makethem appear that they are okay
with DV.
But it's like, hey, I canseparate it, separate it and
say, hey, if two people who camefrom domestically violent
households end up together andthey're domestically violent and
they stay together and you knowwhat, they they keep that shit
in house and they still loveeach other and they want to be

(05:03):
together.
As much as it's not my cup oftea and I have an issue with it,
as a guy with a failed marriage,who am I to tell them they're
wrong?
You know, I I just think as asociety, we get too caught up in
telling people how they have tolive in situations that don't
really affect them.

(05:24):
I would agree.
Just just being real.
I'm against D V, and if you knowme personally and you talk to me
about domestic violence, youkind of know where I stand and
you know how you know me.
I'll just leave it at that.
But if it's a if a couple withno kids and these motherfuckers

(05:49):
go to work every morning andthey fight when they get home,
and then they go to work everymorning, they fight when they
get home, and they're the onlytwo people being affected by it
again.
The kids' things matter.
If that's what the hell they do,it doesn't affect you or me.
It doesn't now does it affectfamily members?

(06:12):
It only it affects them as muchas they allow it because you
have some families who say,Well, maybe you should shut up.
Other families be like, Oh, youshould leave.
Other families be like, hey,it's your life, you're gonna do
what you're gonna do.
I have my feelings, but myfeelings don't matter because
I'm not in your shoes.
I don't think anybody is wrongin their approach.

SPEAKER_05 (06:37):
Me neither, but I guess it gets to the bigger
issue here.
Um, somebody also in thecomments just said, How high are
you right now, AC?
But um shout out to you forlistening, uh, sing Koi 5102.
We do appreciate, honestly, theviewership.
Uh, it it helps grow thechannel.
And again, we're just a coupleof regular Joes here, but they

(06:59):
did want to know how high areyou?
I'm you do look like you couldbe a little blazed, but no, no,
no, not at all.
I know you're not, but like, youknow, and we are talking about
like drugs and shit.

SPEAKER_04 (07:10):
I mean, yeah, we're talking about some risky stuff.
Now, mind you, I disagree withdomestic violence, I disagree
with people allowing domesticviolence.
I we got to put that out there.
That should be understood.

SPEAKER_05 (07:20):
Has a channel like Vice ever done something where
um you're able to like can youimagine if we did a a like a
control group here, right?
Let's say I put out a fatfucking line and I just did it
here on live, and then you weresitting there just taking shots
like every other second, andwe're like, okay, we get a drunk

(07:41):
host and then a coked out host.
And it's like a it's like anexperiment in itself, but we're
doing what we normally do, we'retalking about the conversation,
and it's like, does it affectus?
Like, and Vice would seem likethe perfect group that would do
it because they seem like theyget into that type of field.
But has anyone ever done that,even just like freelance?

SPEAKER_04 (08:01):
Like, I don't know, but the question would be not
does it affect us, but how muchdoes it affect us?
And and you'd like to havecontrolled conversations, right?
Because now now we're gettinginto like some of the nerdiisms,
because unlike a lot of uh blackpeople in media, we come from
academia first, so that's how wetry to frame things.

(08:21):
But you have some of these sameconversations without devices,
and then you have a person onthe vice having the
conversation, then a person noton the vice having the
conversation, you know what Imean?
Like you can have your controlsand your different variables,
and then really see how much itaffects them, and if you could
get some type of range of howoften they consume said topic, I

(08:44):
mean said vice to then determinetheir functionality.
Because again, if you'resomebody who uses mind-altering
vices, you understand that hey,like the legal limit for alcohol
is like this general number thatkind of works.

(09:06):
Okay, who I don't even know whothis guy is.

SPEAKER_05 (09:08):
That's that's he that's he said how high are you
right now?
But they were saying that wascat.

SPEAKER_04 (09:13):
Yeah, I know.
Good good, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (09:15):
But he's listening to us, so we do appreciate it.
Uh yeah, we do, but M L D K 5.

SPEAKER_04 (09:21):
Yeah, it's not cat, man.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (09:24):
There's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_04 (09:25):
But well, he can say whatever he wants.

SPEAKER_05 (09:27):
He doesn't know, and then then Greg Greg has
expensive taste barber also saidhi.
So hi, Greg.

SPEAKER_04 (09:34):
Hello, but hey, Parlay Pete, man, how are you
doing?

SPEAKER_05 (09:37):
We're doing good, uh Lee.
We are uh Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 (09:42):
Did we close that properly?

SPEAKER_05 (09:45):
Not really, but it's okay.
We can still transition.
We could we honestly can goback, it's still open.

SPEAKER_04 (09:50):
Pandora's box is still open.
Hey, hey, hey, don't beat yourwife, and uh substances affect
life affects everybodydifferently based on their
experiences.

SPEAKER_05 (10:01):
Well, if you do drugs, let's try not to do them
in general.
There's a reason why you're notsupposed to do them, that's why
they're illegal.
Or even illegal stuff likealcohol, you're never supposed
to overindulge.
If you're somebody that believesin the Bible, it doesn't teach
against drinking, it teachesagainst drunkenness.
Basically, let's try not to dothat.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (10:21):
But does legality mean morality?

SPEAKER_05 (10:25):
Yeah.
Uh that's a high discussion.
Does legality give more uh uhdoes legality mean morality?
No, but we know that we knowthat already.
But yeah, hey, how you doing?
I'm doing pretty good.
The we got a listener that thesame person that uh sat here
that said it was Cap that youwere high.

(10:47):
He said, Can I give a question?
Uh go for it.
When you put it up, we'll we'llget to it once you get to it,
but just go ahead and ask.
But Lee, I am doing fantastic.
Obviously, this week again, uhwe had uh my daughter's sixth
birthday, so that's alwaysreally exciting.
Somebody turning six, yeah, bigsix, and so uh six, six, six,

(11:09):
but um yeah, it it went prettywell.
I had to uh bend my ass over inorder to get the cake that I
needed to get for her because itwas almost impossible to find a
K-pop cake, and that seems to bethe new rage with that age
group.
It's not Mickey Mouse, it's notBluey, it's not uh anything that

(11:30):
you can name.
Um it is, you know, K-pop.
So I had to find that K-popcake.
But it went well.
Everything I was surprised.
There were so many people thatshowed up.
Um, and uh I am thankful for thevillage that is beginning to be
formed at her school.

(11:51):
Honestly, it was about20-something kids that showed
up.
Shout out to Yeah, yeah, man.
I was surprised.
I wish that we could have gotthe RSVP so I could know how
many, because the cake ended upserving everybody, but like I
just couldn't get everythingthat I needed.
Uh also, shout outs to uh uh allthe parents that that did come

(12:12):
through.
I got to meet a lot of theirparents.
Uh we had a Nickelodeon, aformer Nickelodeon star that
showed up.
I'm sure you know who that is,maybe.
No, I don't who.
Oh, okay.
Well, he was on what's the showwith uh Britney Spears' sister?
Zoe 101, maybe?
He was the only nigga on theshow, so you should know who

(12:33):
that was.
But I I know him, I don't knowhim, know him like that, but
obviously he is friends with oneof Kator's their act, they have
children together.
Uh well, I forget his name,honestly.
His name's Chris is his name,but Massey is his name because
his brother was on that.
So Raven, they were both okay,okay.

SPEAKER_04 (12:55):
Yeah, okay, his brother is the is the fake crip
uh in LA.

SPEAKER_05 (13:00):
Correct.
And so they were he was there,honestly.
Dapped him up.
I hadn't seen him since we wereat the club that night.
But um club what night?
I was at tongue and groove thenight I got drugged.
Oh drugs, yeah.
He his section was right next tomine that night.
It was during the NBA All-Starweekend here in Atlanta.
Um but yeah, that was the thatwas the weekend.

SPEAKER_04 (13:22):
I was just making sure it wasn't a night that we
were at tongue and groove, andand I missed something.

SPEAKER_05 (13:28):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It wasn't that night.
It wasn't that night.
That was the first time I hadbeen since that night, though.
That was the thing.

SPEAKER_04 (13:34):
And so um apparently I did miss some things that
night.

SPEAKER_05 (13:38):
Yeah, but how about you, Harry?
Yeah, how are you?
He's got his question ready.
We can get to you first or thequestion after you.

SPEAKER_04 (13:47):
Hey, I'll I'll tell you how I am, man.
I'm I'm good, dog.
You know, uh, just you know,happy to be alive with a smile
on my face, man.
I get those two things everyday.
Uh everything else is a bonus.
And if I get life, that means Iget a smile.
But uh let's let's get to aquestion from uh from um Singkoi

(14:08):
Singkoi 5102, which is moredangerous being high, though.

SPEAKER_05 (14:13):
Huh?

SPEAKER_04 (14:14):
I said make sure you subscribe too.

SPEAKER_05 (14:16):
Oh yeah, please subscribe, anyone that's
watching this, but we're gonnago ahead and use which is more
dangerous, being high as fuckwith weed or be drunk as fuck
with alcohol, because weed isillegal in some states, but
alcohol ain't for all.
Oh then he had a follow-up thatsaid, following that up, should
they treat the same legalitywith alcohol as so as with weed?

(14:37):
So you yeah, I I think we we allagree that weed should just be
legal, anyways.
But as far as alcohol goes,which is more dangerous, I think
that we've seen more DUI, likefatal car accidents, right?
But now it's hard to quantify itbecause that brings in a second

(15:00):
statistic that doesn't haveanything to do with it.
Most people in America, mostpeople die of car accidents,
like more people die of caraccidents than anything.
Now booze car accidents are notalcohol, dui or alcohol like
induced accidents, though,right?

SPEAKER_04 (15:14):
Yo, you've been drunk as hell and you've been
high as hell before.
Which one are are you a leastfunctioning human being?

SPEAKER_05 (15:21):
Weed booze do.
I am least I am leastfunctioning on weed.
Because I'm ready to go tosleep.
That's the thing with weed forme.
For me, some people are morethey're mellow, but they're up.
Like for me, it puts me tosleep.
So, like, it doesn't matter ifit's sativa or indica.
Like, I go to sleep one way oranother.

(15:43):
So I think it it's like anythingelse, it's just different with
people, depending on who youare.
Some people get so drunk thatthey're gonna fall asleep too,
like a Josh Holsey.
Like Josh Hulsey, what does hedo when he gets drunk?
He goes to sleep.
I'm not somebody that goes tosleep when I'm drinking.

SPEAKER_04 (15:57):
No, no, he gets he gets kicked first, he gets
kicked out of the bar, then hegoes to sleep.

SPEAKER_05 (16:03):
But this is what I'm saying.
I don't go to sleep when I'mlike drinking.
So, but when I have weed in mysystem, there's a more I would
say there's it's more likelythat I would fall asleep behind
the wheel if I've had weed in mysystem.
Now, it doesn't mean that I'mmore impaired or less impaired,

(16:24):
because maybe I'm more impairedwhen I'm drunk.
Right?
Like, like you could be moreimpaired driving, but like I am
more likely to go to sleep onout on smoking weed or or you
know, doing a dab or fuckinganything hitting the bong, like
any of that will more likely putme to sleep as opposed to.

SPEAKER_04 (16:45):
I'm gonna tell you at our ripe old age, if you're
still hitting the bong, we'vegot some problems.

SPEAKER_03 (16:50):
But uh, you know, I'm I got spidey senses when in
high school.

SPEAKER_05 (17:00):
No, when I'm high.
But he teleports when he'sdrunk, so he I get it depends
how it hits people.
Exactly.
It it kind of just depends.
I think it depends on theperson.

SPEAKER_04 (17:10):
Well, yeah, it depends on the person, and I
think uh a more focused questionwould be for avid users of both.
What you know what I mean, whatwhich one which impairs you more
or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 (17:27):
And if there's someone that's balanced enough
with it, because most peoplethink about it, there are some
people that don't drink at all,that will smoke.
Then there's people like me thatI guess I I will smoke, but I
don't smoke.
Like I don't buy weed, like Idon't smoke at all.
I will smoke, but I don't smoke.

SPEAKER_04 (17:45):
Parlay Pete, do you think I'm a good person to
answer this question?

SPEAKER_05 (17:51):
Yes, yeah.
I don't know if you're 50-50though.
I'm about as close as you canget.
I think that you can smoke andnot drink.

SPEAKER_04 (18:05):
Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 (18:06):
I can drink and not smoke too, though.
Yeah, I know, but I feel like atleast the last few times we've
gone out, it's been more of I'vegot some weed on me.

SPEAKER_04 (18:14):
And you hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we're
on a podcast, man.

SPEAKER_05 (18:19):
We'll be okay.
We'll be okay.
Hopefully, uh the AI doesn't cutit up.
If not, you can um you knowdelete it.
I'm not.
I mean, you don't want if youdon't want this to be out there,
you can delete it.

SPEAKER_04 (18:34):
Hey, hey, you are being recorded right now.
This will be clipped up and puton social media.

SPEAKER_05 (18:41):
Damn, I gotta follow my own sword.
You you should get that to startto have this as a viewer
discussion.
That whole nine, yeah.
You should, you really should.
But hey, you know what?

SPEAKER_04 (18:58):
I might, but on a serious note, yeah.
I I I lean more to the bud thanI do to the booze, which for
people who who don't know mevery well, that probably would
shock them.

SPEAKER_05 (19:11):
It would, I'm sure it would.
It it would absolutely shockpeople.

SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
Uh influence, whatever.
Always.
My homie still believes you justhit some before the man.

SPEAKER_05 (19:26):
He's saying you're a I.
That's what he's saying.
I'm assuming that this is whathe I mean, I can see the
picture, but I'm assuming thisis a guy.

SPEAKER_04 (19:34):
But hey, hey, shout out to you and your homie, man.
Relax.
Yeah, start calling him Vlad.
Yeah, right.
Hey, hey, speaking of Vlad, dog,I I was on uh in my YouTube
algorithm, and apparently BigAct has popped back into the
algorithm, right?
And Ack was breaking down aninterview that Vlad did.

(19:58):
Vlad interviewed the bro.
Uh oh, bro, I'm already here,big dog.

SPEAKER_05 (20:03):
Yeah, hey, hey, he's on look, he got it on the same
page.

SPEAKER_04 (20:07):
Hey, yeah, hey man, real recognized real shout out.
But um, but nah, Vladinterviewed the chick that um
that New York rapper thateverybody cares about that we
don't care about that just camehome.

SPEAKER_05 (20:19):
Max B.
Oh, all right.
I was wondering, but that's whyI don't care.
That's what I'm like, I'm like,right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04 (20:27):
Yeah.
But, anyways, he wasinterviewing the broad that did
the setup on that uh on thatrobbery.
And I'm like, and it made mejust think about the gravity of
being from New York or being NewYork based and getting some
buzz.
And because New York was, Imean, it's still the media
capital of the country.

(20:48):
How much local New York stuffgets projected nationally and
can still do well nationally,while most people don't give a
damn about New York shit.
Like, I'm a fan of the JoeBudden podcast.
They talk so much New Yorkbullshit up there, I've become
aware of it.
And then I be sitting backthinking, yo, who gives a fuck

(21:10):
about French Montana and Max B?

SPEAKER_05 (21:14):
No, I agree with you.
I I mean, again, this isn't uhyoung thug coming home.
This isn't any nigga that reallyhas some hits, and that's no
offense to Max B.
Max B got a big shout out on I Iknew who Max B was prior to
this, but obviously he's on thejail call, the Silver Surfer

(21:36):
interlude on uh The Life ofPablo, right?
And because he and then he hadWaves the song, and like Kanye's
like giving a shout out, like,yeah, like Waves, like I know
that that's the wave.
Wiz Khalifa did it.
Obviously, French Montana, ofcourse, being affiliated with
him.
I don't think, like, I don'tknow, nobody cared, like, just
because I mean, who gives afuck?

(21:58):
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Ain't Puff, right?
Like, Puff's not home.
Nobody gets to hear, like, likethese are the people he's an
underground rapper from New Yorkthat never had a hit.
I can't name a Max Speed song.
It doesn't mean that he's notinfluential, doesn't mean that
he's not that nigga, but hewasn't no Gucci Man coming home.
And I know that he did more timethan all the people I'm naming.

(22:18):
Like, you remember when Boosiewas in jail?
Like, the Boosie thing was realeven here.
Well, Boosie was facing life.
I know, but I'm just saying, thefree Boosie, everything about
free Boosie when we were in highschool, that was like a big
fucking deal.
Like, like they made it out tobe a bigger deal.

SPEAKER_04 (22:37):
You know who shot his first video when he came
home?

SPEAKER_05 (22:40):
Marv.

SPEAKER_04 (22:42):
Hell yeah.
Shout out to my nigga Marv.

SPEAKER_05 (22:45):
Yeah, look at that.
Hey, how often do you get to saya guess what question, and then
the niggas right?
I mean, you ask it, not thinkingthat they'll say I don't know
who, or they'll give the wronganswer, but then the nigga just
nails the question.

SPEAKER_04 (23:00):
I was hoping you were gonna play dumb for the
audience, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 (23:06):
No, I couldn't because I was like, Well, I
mean, but hey, you know thatshoots has shot some music
videos, right?

SPEAKER_04 (23:11):
Well, hey, we're talking about uh New York stuff,
and you brought up Diddy.
We might as well talk about thedocumentary because I'm telling
you, I don't want to talk aboutthat team first.
Absolutely.
Oh, my man Filipino.
Hey, hey, I fucked with theLumpia and the Ponset.
Uh, one of my homies is isFilipino, and they be throwing

(23:33):
parties, and it's always greatFilipino food.
They send you home with withfreezer bags full of food you
can eat for a week and a halfoff that shit.
Always slapping.
Shout out to the Filipinofamily.
I got real love for Filipinos,man.
Like for real, for real.

SPEAKER_05 (23:50):
Yeah, I know this is completely unrelated, but yeah,
I'll give a quick shout out tothe uh there's some Filipinos
that work at this place out inthe mountain.
Um now they own it though.
They own it.
Now, granted, it's a bot, it's ahibachi spot, but super duper
cool people.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:09):
Hey man, so the the the the Diddy Doc that was uh
executive produced by 50 Centcame out on Netflix uh last
week.
Uh both of us hadn't gottenthrough it before last week's
show because it came out the daybefore the show, and niggas have
jobs, lives, and kids.
Uh but a week's past.
Paul A.

(24:30):
Pete, did you get time to watchthe Diddy Doc?

SPEAKER_05 (24:33):
I honestly haven't.
I'm not gonna lie.
Like, I just Oh my god! Ihaven't.
I mean, you I mean, even a damn.
But you know, look, I've gotsocial media and I've seen
everything that is talked about,and we know a lot about the
story.
I don't know about the ins andouts of the recordings that he's
suing 50 over now in terms ofthe stuff that was being shot up

(24:56):
until he was arrested.
Like, I don't know nothing aboutthat, but I know one of the
talking points that they broughtup was him and Faith Evans on
the I guess it was the MTVAwards or the Grammys.
I think it was the Grammys,because they had Sting doing it
too.
I'm assuming that was theGrammys.
And they uh, you know, Diddy,they show this nigga dancing in

(25:17):
his white suit to every step, uhto uh missing you.
It's not every step I take.
That's not the name of the song,but that's not the name of the
song.
It's missing you.
I miss you.
It's I miss you.

SPEAKER_02 (25:29):
I miss you, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (25:30):
Yeah.
And uh point being, I saw that.
I know that that was a talkingpoint because people were like,
wow, he like forced faith tolike do this, you know.
Um, you know, but that's aboutit.
I mean, what was it that youwanted to speak more in depth
about about it though?

SPEAKER_04 (25:51):
So honestly, you didn't have to watch it to talk
about what I want to talk aboutbecause I I think they did a
great job of of giving you thedifferent layers of its
personality, right?
They showed the hustle, theyshowed the grind, they showed
the creep, they showed thefreak, they showed the person

(26:12):
who's power hungry, they showedhow he shifted from square to
party nigga.
Uh he used to not do drugs anddrink, and then he started, you
know what I mean?
Like once he became when it'slike when he became Diddy, you
know what I'm saying, or or bewhen he became Puff Daddy, I
don't know.
But like he made a transitioninto becoming a different person
when he became a mogul.

(26:32):
And if you're somebody who'sstudied history and people and
watched their rise to power, uhit makes a lot of sense.
Uh, if you uh paid attention tohow he acted, how he acts, uh
he's a product of hisenvironment, you know what I
mean?

SPEAKER_05 (26:48):
Like aren't they all for the most part though?

SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
Huh?

SPEAKER_05 (26:52):
Aren't they all for the most part?

SPEAKER_04 (26:54):
Yes, yeah.
So for me, it although itrevealed some nasty stuff, it
humanized him a little bit forme.
Because it it again, no newinformation, but a great
compilation of a lot ofinformation that we have.

(27:14):
Well, not no new majorinformation, right?
But it compiled a lot of theinformation that we care about
and oh C Yes, uh I was gonnatake it there.
I was gonna get there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Diddy, yeah, diddy's justDiddy's are Kanye talked about

(27:38):
new slaves, bro.
Like, that's what a lot of theseniggas are new slaves, bro.
Like super rich slaves and andbut hold on, but let me clarify
this just in case it getsclipped.
When I talk about new slaves, itis the idea of you not truly
being in control of your lifeand your opportunities.
Like all of us are are a slaveto something.

(28:00):
Like I like, you know what Imean?
If you on the if you on the ratwheel nine to five and build a
bill, you're uh you bro, you'reyou're a slave to your job.
It's but same thing with theserich people, bro.
Like they get the life, they getthe status, yeah.
They just have they have tomaintain it because they're not
actually in control of what theydo.

(28:21):
But anyways, uh my biggesttakeaway from it is Diddy got
got Diddy was like pretty muchany other powerful person.
You got some childhood trauma,you're not as cool as you
thought you were, as you wantedto be.
So you started doing the coolshit, then you figured out that

(28:43):
the cool niggas ain't ain't thewisest, ain't the smartest, they
just cool, and you learn how totake what they do that's cool
and like mass produce it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that too, and and massproduce it, and then you become
cool because it's to createcool, you know what I'm saying?
Like it's the same shit, likehow Drake acts like a gangster.

(29:05):
But Drake ain't really agangster, but he got people
around him that protect him, sohe can do gangster shit.
Same thing with Diddy, and thenhe just becomes the cool guy and
he gets sick and drunk withpower, and then you throw in his
odd childhood trauma and some ofthe people who are around him
and the stuff that they thatthey did in business and what he
was taught, and you get thismonster.
Honestly, it all makes sense.

(29:26):
But the funny part about it isniggas like Gene Deal.

SPEAKER_05 (29:31):
Because the money wasn't right.
I knew you wanted to talk aboutGene.
Now, what is he in it?
No, I think so.
No, you you just you just lookat his art of dialogue or Vlad
interviews.

SPEAKER_04 (29:44):
Oh, yeah, art of dialogue, because he was on art
of dialogue the next day.
Because yeah, he had to let himknow that the money wasn't
right.
Well, that's how he gets paid.

SPEAKER_05 (29:52):
That's okay, though.
Like, I'm not mad at him.
Like, it's kind of like uh it'skind of like the nigga that used
to record everything forRockefeller.
You know what I'm talking about?
It's this dude, it's this dude.

SPEAKER_04 (30:06):
He he be doing shit too, he be talking about Jay all
the time, but yeah, so Gene Dealjust be talking, and that shit
is funny, but so many differentconversations about this, right?
Did you see this the street guysuh mad at 50 for participating

(30:29):
in this because they feel likethat's rap behavior?
Who are the street guys?
I think Ja Rule started theconversation, and then Dame
Dash, you know, he he had someemployees.

SPEAKER_05 (30:42):
Oh, you're saying street guys in rap, not just
like streetness.

SPEAKER_04 (30:45):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (30:49):
But I just didn't know who you were talking about.

SPEAKER_04 (30:51):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not talking about the niggas I
work with at the warehouse.
Uh no, no.

SPEAKER_05 (30:57):
I mean, I figured, but I'm just saying, you know,
man, Smack DVD used to be real.
I didn't know if they made acomeback, and it was like Gilly
out in Philly with like a bunchof niggas talking about Wayne
and how he don't write hislyrics like in 05.
I didn't know if they werebringing that back.
You think I'd watch that?
I I don't know.
I'm not saying that I think youwould.

(31:18):
What I'm saying is I didn't knowwho you were talking about.
You know, we was everybody withgoons talking about little, and
this is 05.
These, like I said, smack DVD.

SPEAKER_04 (31:29):
And he's talking about little game, no more
problems, I'm the problemsolver.

SPEAKER_05 (31:34):
Yeah, he's saying the New Orleans nick, them
niggas, he's like, Man, I waswriting Wayne's lyrics, and he's
like, Wayne's hot now.
He's like, I'm the one that madehim hot.

SPEAKER_04 (31:43):
He's dead and gone, no more problems, I'm the
problem solver.
What happened to Wayne after 05?

SPEAKER_05 (31:51):
He became a much bigger.
I think he got that was the peakof Little Wayne.
I mean, so 05 to like I'd saylike 12.
I mean, some his prime theywould say 05 to 09 is his prime.
But I'm saying oh five, hedidn't he didn't start to lose
to me sizzle until 12.

(32:11):
Is when it started to go down,really 13.

SPEAKER_04 (32:16):
Yeah.
Does it matter if Gilly wastelling the truth?
If the nigga gets better whenyou're gone?
Even if he's even if he'stelling the truth, does it
really matter?

SPEAKER_05 (32:32):
No, no, it doesn't because if he's making dollars,
it makes sense, right?
Like it just makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 (32:39):
And how long did it take Gilly to get back?
What 2020, 2019?
It took when Wallow came home.

SPEAKER_05 (32:47):
It took Gill a minute to get back to the
position in which he was umtrying to be at.
And look, it worked out in theend for everybody.
That's what we call a win-wintrade.
Something similar to Jack Piercefor the Rams pick.

SPEAKER_04 (33:02):
Like hey, hey, didn't didn't Jay-Z say if you
well, something about if youmade home, make another one?
Yeah.

unknown (33:10):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (33:11):
So he heard my made hold, and he said, okay, so make
another hole.

SPEAKER_04 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah.
So you you're picking up whatI'm putting down, but back to
this whole thing, is uh mybiggest takeaways.
Well, well, you had the streetconversation about 50 rat, and I
think that's a an interestingconversation because he quote
unquote comes from the street,but now he's in I mean he's
corporate.
He's corporate.

(33:38):
So when do you shed that?
Do you shed it?
Should you shed it?
Uh I I know your answer on that.
And but then also off of thatratting part, uh at what point
does the the black community uhpla and again I'm not saying

(34:00):
other communities don't?
I I'm only speaking to the blackcommunity because that's a
community that I I I'm in and uhI I'm comfortable speaking on
it.
At what point uh shit, I lost mytrain of thought.
Oh yeah, sorry.
At what point do we start givingthe the criminal, the bad actor

(34:24):
more attention than snitch?
Because I'm not into snitchculture unless your freedom is
affected by it.
That's one thing.
I also don't think somebodycompiling stuff that's public
knowledge, that that's likepublic record.
Damn near everything that was inthat documentary is public
record or it's already beenpublicized.

(34:44):
I I don't call that snitchbehavior, but like I also don't
believe in just telling onsomebody when it has nothing to
do with you.
If you are unaffected bysomething, why are you talking
about it?
It's none of your business.
Now, if you're affected bysomething, do what you need to
do, it's best for you.
And if you're involved, I wouldthink that you would be
accountable for your actions.

(35:06):
Correct.
But again, my bigger question iswhy do why does our community
point a bigger a bigger fingerat the snitch than the offender?
And how can we get out of that?
Like, how can we start holdingniggas accountable for fucking
up and really just get out ofthis street mindset because you

(35:29):
know the streets are pretty muchdefined by poverty, death, and
prison.

SPEAKER_05 (35:34):
Correct.

SPEAKER_04 (35:36):
So if niggas grow up in the streets trying to get out
of the streets, why would wethen project to the mainstream
that people should follow thestreet code when the whole goal
is to get out of the streets?
Like the streets isn't a goodplace to be, whether it's
gangster hustling streets, oreven if you're a man, you get to
a certain point in your life,boy, it's time to get out the

(35:56):
streets and get you a you know,get you an old lady.
Yeah.
So those are the things I wantto put out there and let you
respond to it and see where thatconversation takes us.

SPEAKER_05 (36:08):
I I just think that all in all everybody can look at
a guy like 50 and say tothemselves, like now, it's
deeper with him, too, to adegree.
And I know that he did theinterview.
Was it Robin Roberts or who didhe do it with?
Um was it?

SPEAKER_02 (36:29):
Yeah, I think it was Robin Roberts, Gail King, same
same boss.

SPEAKER_05 (36:33):
Yeah.
One's ABC, one's CBS, right?
Like, that's really the oldblack lady.
Well, yeah, I'll say this.
Robin Roberts, at least he kindof got her bones at ESPN
beforehand, but like then, youknow, Gail jumped.
Gail's just how she got it.
I mean, yeah, she jumped out ofit like she put her best friend.

(36:53):
No, no, no, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:54):
Like, hey, let me get this joke off.
Gail just jumped Oprah's bones,you know.

SPEAKER_05 (36:59):
Yeah.
So um That's a joke.
Yes, and so uh, but no, all inall, street culture is, I mean,
Jay said it himself.
He said streets is done.
It's like, you know, Georgenever will walk, but somehow,

(37:20):
somehow, it's like, he's like, Idon't understand.
Streets are done.
But because it's kind of true,it's just like, so we're out
here like killing anybody.
There's no nigga that is willingto sacrifice his for the greater
good of a community, but they'llsacrifice it over getting
shorter to fifth.

SPEAKER_04 (37:39):
Like hey, slide for Vaughn, a criminal who signed up
for the street life, but don'tslide for Trey Vaughn.
Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (37:48):
Yeah, exactly.
And so to me, that shit getsthat shit gets thrown out one
way or another on my end.
And I'm not a street dude, neverbeen in the streets.
But what I do know, I can sayI've certainly come in contact
with some street people.
I mean, obviously, like manyothers, not to incriminate
myself because it doesn't reallymatter.

(38:10):
I have once upon a time in mylife known people that do things
illegal.
And so it's like, well, evenwith those dudes, they're
normally good dudes, anyways,but like money is the root of it
all at the end of the day,because that's why anyone's
doing it.
Nobody's doing it to say I'm thebaddest nigga on the planet.

(38:30):
Nobody's trying to be Mike Tysonof the streets, like maybe the
YN's.

SPEAKER_04 (38:35):
Maybe the YN's, because you know, they ain't
really trying to get money.

SPEAKER_05 (38:39):
They just I don't go outside enough to see them as
much.
Uh, but I know that they exist.
I see their banter onlinebecause I feel like that's kind
of what drives the YN'sbehavior, anyways.
Is man, well, this shit gonnaget on social media, bro.
It's it's gonna blow you likeit's it's the wrong way of going
about things, like especiallythem dudes in Jacksonville.

(38:59):
That shit that was going on downthere at one point.
That think that that's kind ofold.
Those are like OG wise that waslike five, six years ago.

SPEAKER_00 (39:08):
No, hell no.
That's like nah, no.

SPEAKER_05 (39:10):
I'm saying maybe the Fullio nigga died recently, but
I'm saying in terms of when thatstuff was starting, you was
still living in Julian's.

SPEAKER_07 (39:18):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (39:20):
Was still living in Jacksonville at the time.
I used to ask him about it.
I'd be like, man, what thefuck's going on down here?

SPEAKER_04 (39:28):
Um he was outside, he was outside around all that
shit because I know him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (39:33):
And so, you know, I I think that it's just it's it's
street behavior can be treatedas such by whomever cares for
it.

SPEAKER_04 (39:41):
But I question Hey, hey, hey, hey, quick question.
It's a total aside.
Do you think that somebody couldgreen light a podcast called Jew
and a Jew?

(40:03):
And it's Julian Turner and aJewish person who have a good
relationship with each other,but can have honest
conversations with each otherabout life.

SPEAKER_05 (40:14):
It only has to be 30 minutes, too.

SPEAKER_04 (40:17):
Well, it can't be longer because it won't it won't
get at dollars.

SPEAKER_05 (40:22):
Well that, but they could just go for 30 and like it
literally be it literally be asparring match on whatever it is
that yeah.
And and they could go threerounds, it could be three
different topics, 10, 10, 10.
However, you want to do it.
I think it will work becausehe's a he's a uh very uh he's a

(40:47):
very strong-headed person interms of what it is that he
believes.

SPEAKER_04 (40:51):
So like and and and guys, Julian is not anti-Semitic
by no means.

SPEAKER_05 (40:57):
No, no, no, no, no.
That's not what we're saying,right?
Well, like I'm just sayingcleverly, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But because I called the showJew and a Jew, and we're saying
why it would work.

SPEAKER_05 (41:05):
It well, and then it's just a Jew, but but yeah,
the joke of it would be he wouldnever he would probably never
even call him a Jew.
He would just everybody wouldknow that he is Jewish.
Bingo.
And that Jew's nickname is Jew.
It's just called Jew and a Jewbecause it sounds good.

SPEAKER_06 (41:22):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (41:24):
Uh, please uh uh stream yard, please don't come
after us for this.
I I promise we don't meananything by it.
Like you ever seen No Countryfor Old Men?

SPEAKER_02 (41:36):
No, you know I don't watch movies.

SPEAKER_05 (41:39):
You watch some movies.
There's five movies that youthat's a good one that you
should see.
But like have you seen Mr.
3000?
Yeah, I've seen it.

unknown (41:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (41:49):
Well, Bernie Mack, right?
Yeah, yeah.
He's a Milwaukee brewer.
Yeah, and and he did what LeBrondid.
He bunt it so that the teamcould win instead of getting his
3,000th hit.
Just like LeBron, instead ofextending his streak, he passed
it to Rui.

SPEAKER_04 (42:09):
Yeah, because some guys care about the team more
than they care about theirindividual outcome.

SPEAKER_05 (42:12):
Well, LeBron's Mr.
3,000.

SPEAKER_04 (42:14):
Hey, hey, Chandler Parsons.
Up yours.
But, anyways, uh, let's get backto the snitch culture shit just
a tad bit and maybe get intosports, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 (42:25):
Well, you know we're gonna get into that.
Uh viewers disclaimer uh advicewe will not be giving the
Falcons more than 10 minutes ofour time, including those three
seconds where I just saidsomething about them.

SPEAKER_04 (42:40):
And we're gonna try not to give Voldemort any time
today.
Like, I don't think we shouldeven bring up our fundamental
issue with the Falcons.

SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
Okay, I'm done.
That's five seconds I took.

SPEAKER_05 (42:48):
Well, they already know.

SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (42:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (42:55):
So you want to talk about them?

SPEAKER_05 (42:58):
Oh, you want to get to it now.
I thought we were gonna closeout the whole thing.
I mean, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 (43:02):
I'm just saying we had that we had that awkward
silence.

SPEAKER_05 (43:04):
I was just like, uh No, I thought because I thought
you said that you were like, letme close this out.
But yeah, no.

SPEAKER_04 (43:09):
Oh no, I was gonna I was gonna let you close it out
because I've talked a lot today.

SPEAKER_05 (43:14):
Oh, uh, I mean, again, like I said, just all in
all, it's street culture is justthat.
It's whatever they say streetculture is.
I think it's more internetculture at this point because
that's what dictates a lot ofdifferent things these days.
So, which is why putting shitout on Netflix, street niggas

(43:35):
don't fucking have Netflixbecause they're too busy
hustling, they're too busy doingall this, they don't have the
money to do it, and that's whythey have to hustle because
they're in these badenvironments, they're not
they're not rich because richniggas aren't in street culture,
so that's kind of like supposed.

SPEAKER_04 (43:53):
Like you want to hear something so funny since
moving back to Cartersville andinteracting with people who I
have not interacted with inyears, and interacting with you
know, just different groups ofpeople, uh, with from different
life experiences that are notsimilar to the life experiences
of my friends from college anduh the military.

(44:16):
Uh a lot of the shit that weconsume and talk about and
really care about a lot of theseniggas are none the wiser, and
vice versa.
Like, I know about Fullio andYoung'a Days because of young

(44:38):
niggas and street beef in thatone song.
I don't listen to their music.
I don't like these actuallyrappers.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Like, niggas be living intotally different worlds, and
yo, get the internet is not reallife, it is a part of your real
life.
But what happens on the internetis the internet unless you're

(45:04):
dealing with old niggas, becauseold niggas treat the internet
like real life, and whatever yousaid on the internet, they that
that's just like a medium ofcommunication to old people.
I'm an old person.

SPEAKER_05 (45:14):
You you're an old guy.

SPEAKER_04 (45:17):
I mean, outside of like podcast shit, like funny
thing.
Last week, you know, when Italked about when I understand
angry men who come home afterdoing manual labor and they
don't want to hear their wifecomplain about something stupid.

SPEAKER_07 (45:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:36):
A guy got in the comments and said, pretty much
told me I was terrible and Ishouldn't want to listen to my
wife.
And I'm like, Clearly, you don'tlisten, buddy, because I didn't
say I don't want to listen to mywife.
I said I don't want to hear herfuss about stupid shit after
I've done manual labor for 10hours.

SPEAKER_05 (45:52):
This is on TikTok?

SPEAKER_04 (45:54):
No, it was on YouTube.

SPEAKER_05 (45:56):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (45:57):
You think I read TikTok comments?

SPEAKER_05 (45:59):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (46:01):
I do.
I read all the comments.
I care what the people say wholisten to us, they matter to me
a lot.

SPEAKER_05 (46:09):
Which is why we gave a shout out to Senkoi.
He was uh here, certainly he'snot here anymore.
He was very in tune, and and hegave a shout out, and then shout
outs to Greg Epps as wellbecause he got in on it.
So we appreciate it.
Look, that's the way that thisthing grows in reality.
If we're not responsive to thosethat are listening, then I'm not
above any of this shit.

(46:29):
Like it's great to have peoplethat are gonna interact live,
especially live on the show.
It's one thing that commentsection, like I saw on the page
when we talked about Atlanta.
Um we had two comments there.
I know Big Abe, shout out toAbe.
He he went to um he went to highschool with me, but then the
other person was somebodyrandom, and they spoke about how

(46:51):
like season four was 10 out of10 of Atlanta for the Atlanta
clips.
So it's like, you know what Imean.

SPEAKER_04 (46:57):
Yeah, you know, y'all were able to bond over
that show that I should havewatched and still haven't
watched, and probably won't everwatch it.

SPEAKER_05 (47:03):
It's a great show.

SPEAKER_04 (47:04):
I don't disagree with Silence of the Lambs.

SPEAKER_05 (47:12):
Me neither.
Not in full.
I've seen pieces, but I've neverseen it in full.
But the point is, with thatshow, unlike Game of Thrones or
The Sopranos or The Wire, or uhwhat's another one that
everybody always likes to bringup?
Any of those shows, those showsare, you know, what HBO classics

(47:32):
that run for five, six, sevenseasons with 10, 12 episodes a
season, Dexter, shit like that.
Atlanta is a show where there'sabout six episodes a season, you
got four seasons.
The episodes range from about anhour to an hour and a half, but
like they're very good.
Like, and you're from Georgiaand you've lived in Atlanta,

(47:53):
like, so it's like you'rebasically from Atlanta, all
right?
Like the COVID show inCartersville, so it's like it's
a show relatable.

SPEAKER_04 (48:04):
I so I watched season one and two.
Great, I like Atlanta.
It when it went away, when itwent on hiatus for like two
years, I but it's like COVID inbetween then, too.
Yeah, and I just didn't pick itback up because then you know I
was with Cindy Kid, we watchingour own shows, and like life,

(48:27):
life got Atlanta, it was justbad timing.
But to that, I just want tothrow it out there when you
bring up some of the HBO shows,and when specifically the
Sopranos, the Sopranos isn't ashow, isn't a series that you
watch to finish, you watch it towatch it, like you don't want
the Sopranos to finish.

SPEAKER_05 (48:50):
So just putting that out there, like if you don't
like three episodes of it, andthat's where it bucks up with
me.
Not because I wasn't interested,I just that's your problem.

SPEAKER_04 (49:01):
You you you you should give it another spin.

SPEAKER_05 (49:04):
I like sports so much, Lee, to where a TV show's
gotta be like, and because it'sso old, I think that that's what
turns me off even a little bittoo.
I wish maybe I was somebody thatdid get into it when it was
fresh and like originally cameout.
Because like for me, it's justhard to get into something
that's that's an early 2000.

(49:25):
That's like a that's a Bush-erashow.

SPEAKER_04 (49:28):
Yeah, but it's it's it because it's a mob show, it's
not dated.
Like, clearly, it's dated in thesetting that it's in, but you
know, like mob culture is alwayspastime.
You don't talk about yeah, likewe don't talk about present day

(49:49):
active mob activity because thenthat would expose the mob, and
and that's why New York costs somuch.
And uh, but but let me shut up.
Um it's because it's it's moband you expect it to be later
on, it still plays really well.
Like I I got into I'm trying tothink.

(50:11):
I got into it uh during thesummer offseason.
And then I had to stop watchingit because well after the papers
get signed, I can tell why Istopped watching it.

SPEAKER_03 (50:29):
Okay You know, certain scenes make certain
people uneasy picking up whatI'm putting down.

SPEAKER_05 (50:41):
Absolutely, but to put a bow on this in general,
the reason it even came up waswe appreciate the comments and
um stuff.
That stuff does mean a lot.
It's it's it's what creates thefabric for a show that uh we
feel like can get to a point,and I'm hopeful that one day
that this clip will be playedsomewhere.

(51:02):
It doesn't have to be on JimmyKimmel and be like, you remember
you said this on an episode.
That'd be pretty cool, right?
But like outside of the city.

SPEAKER_02 (51:09):
Jimmy Kimmel won't be on TV.

SPEAKER_05 (51:11):
No, he well, who knows?

SPEAKER_04 (51:13):
Well, he he just got renewed for one more year.

SPEAKER_05 (51:16):
Um I can say it, but he might he might have something
eventually.

SPEAKER_04 (51:20):
I don't know.
Look like Grayson Allen and JDub about got into it.
I I I don't know.
It's I wasn't even payingattention.

SPEAKER_05 (51:31):
So they're not that close.

SPEAKER_04 (51:33):
Well, no, I looked, I looked down and there was just
a bunch of people on the courtand they were getting separated,
and then I saw they were the twomost hyped individuals, so it
was between them.
But you know, you know, theydon't give us the good replays
anymore to see what happenedbecause everybody's in bed.

SPEAKER_05 (51:49):
Of course, of course, give me literally 15
seconds, I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_04 (51:53):
All right, so while Parlay Pete goes away and and
hopefully comes back, um man, Igotta kind of riff here.
And one of the things aboutriffing is you're not supposed
to tell people you're riffing,you're just supposed to just
lock in and go.
But I like to be transparentwith you all.
And in this moment oftransparency, I'm only

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explaining my riffing because Ihave no idea which direction I
want to go in.

SPEAKER_03 (52:22):
So I'm just buying myself time to come up with a
complete thought that I can talkabout uh until he comes back.

SPEAKER_04 (52:31):
So with that, we love the support, and yeah,
we're trying to build something,man.
And I'll tell you what we'retrying to build.
We're really trying to build acommunity, a watched and winning
community, people who enjoy whatwe talk about, enjoy our
dynamic, our friendship, uh,people who want to get invested
in the fantasy league, peoplewho want to get invested in the

(52:54):
stories we tell about ourselves,the narratives we paint about
our friends who do show up onthis podcast from time to time.
We we just want y'all to to feellike you're on the stream with
us.
You know, so we're all uh likewashed and winning together.
And uh you know, part of thetitle being washed and winning

(53:17):
is that we're excluding somepeople, you know.
If if you're if you're losing,we're not trying to appeal to
you directly.
Now, right, we'd like to appealto you, and we'd like to get you
on the winning team.
But if washing winning turns youoff, you know that's okay.

(53:40):
If you're a YN, y'all aren'twashed, so y'all don't relate
with well, no, but we don'twe're not talking to the YNs
yet.
We're talking about the thingswe want the YNs to pay attention
to, but then if they lit payattention to that, then they
won't be YNs anymore.

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So we're not really talking toYNs.

SPEAKER_05 (54:02):
If that's well, maybe it's their time to trans
transform into you know, it'slike being a caterpillar and
then you know becoming abutterfly.
Maybe it's their time.

SPEAKER_04 (54:11):
Well, apparently they've given up the Nike tech
fit and now they're wearingquarter zips.
And I I for one am not a fan ofthe YNs wearing.

SPEAKER_05 (54:19):
This gets back to our streets conversation.
I said it's seems like to meit's an internet battle because
that's what that is.
That's internet.
I haven't seen anybody let's goto the West End if you're free.
I don't know what you're doingthis weekend.
I am free this weekend, Like.

SPEAKER_04 (54:34):
I I I was I actually plan to text you at one point
today at work, but you know, Ican't text you at work.
Let's set up the hey, let's getwild this weekend, pause.

SPEAKER_05 (54:46):
Let's get some problems.
Football is at like a minimum.
Not on I'm talking, not even I'mtalking about like there's no
college on really the Hodmanthing is like this weekend.
Which I think.

SPEAKER_04 (54:57):
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we got Army Navy.
You better relax, buddy.

SPEAKER_05 (55:01):
Yeah, and well, the under, right?

SPEAKER_04 (55:05):
I mean, but hey, look here.
If you go watch Army Navy withfans of those schools, it's a
great experience.
That's all I'm gonna say.
Great experience, huh?
Yeah, yeah, the experience.
Not a great game, but a greatexperience.
Okay, shout out to all myniggas.
Hey, but hold on, shout out tomy niggas who played in the army

(55:26):
navy game.
My friends never lost the army.
Shout out to them and uh roll uhuh uh whatever y'all say.
Uh shout out to the midshipmen,shout out to uh what roll goats,
yeah.
Shout out to the tradition,shout out to roll goats, huh?
Yeah, shout out to Rick, Chew,Duval Jobs, yeah.
Uh uh uh uh Duke Wap Jabari MadDog.

(55:56):
If I miss you, my bad, but thenmy niggas, so as I say, you got
a bunch of them.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm honorary.

SPEAKER_05 (56:06):
Honorary, honorary.

SPEAKER_04 (56:08):
Let's talk about these unhonorary falcons.
I know that was terrible, butwho gives a fuck?
I'm not greeny.
Well, do you want to play?
I don't even think we're here.

SPEAKER_05 (56:25):
Nah, man.
I think that that that thing, wewon't hear that until next year.
And that depends on what happensin the offseason, if we'll even
hear it next year.
I mean, I already told you.
I already told you.
I said if Zach Robinson is here,I had seen it because it popped
up in my feed.
If Zach Robinson is the headcoach, I mean, I'm sorry, if
he's the offensive coordinatorof the Atlanta Falcons next

(56:48):
year, I just say you might haveto find a partner.
Or at least we just can't talkFalcons at all.
Because I'm not gonna do this.
I'm not doing this Falcons thinganymore.
Things aren't gonna change.
And uh isn't this what thisultimately comes down to, Lee?
Don't we just want one of these?
Yeah, that's all we want.

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Isn't that all we know?
We want a Super Bowl championshat that says that hey, we are
the champions of the world, andwe can't forget it.

SPEAKER_04 (57:19):
Hey, let me tell you a great story about this apparel
thing, right?
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 (57:26):
So the apparel goes I'm looking at what you just
sent me, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (57:33):
The apparel goes out early to the stores.
So at my other job, we hadGeorgia SEC Championship apparel
in the store before Saturday,before Saturday.

SPEAKER_05 (57:55):
Right.
And Bama.
No, we didn't have Bama becauseso they never expected Bama to
fucking win.

SPEAKER_04 (58:02):
No, no, no, no.
Our st like our store isregional.
So now in Montgomery, they hadthe Bama shit.
But our like we don't carry muchBama, if anything, because I I
went there before I worked therelooking for a UT hat and I

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couldn't find one.

SPEAKER_05 (58:24):
Yeah, they're probably just like, why don't
you uh fucking lily frog yourass on up to Knoxville then,
hippie boy.

SPEAKER_04 (58:31):
I mean, bro, it is hard to find UT gear in this
state.

SPEAKER_05 (58:36):
You should want the classic shit anyways if you're
gonna wear that bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 (58:40):
Well, I wanted just the classic uh orange.
Well, I have one of those.

SPEAKER_05 (58:46):
I know, but did you want another one?

SPEAKER_04 (58:49):
I want a few more.

SPEAKER_05 (58:50):
You can never have too many of anything.
I mean, ask me, I've got so manyhats.

SPEAKER_04 (58:56):
I want a few more I want a few more UT quarter zips,
and I want some more Morehousequarter zips.
Uh, and I think I want to startgetting into some of the uh the
vintage UT uh hats.

SPEAKER_05 (59:11):
That's where I'd go.
The vintage stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (59:14):
I think I'm about to be uh old school snapback and uh
straight backs guy.

SPEAKER_05 (59:20):
Yeah.
Straight backs, like straightbacks as in braids, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (59:24):
Yeah, straight backs, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (59:25):
You gonna grow your hair out that long?

SPEAKER_04 (59:28):
It's I can braid my hair now if I wanted to.

SPEAKER_05 (59:31):
Really?

SPEAKER_04 (59:32):
Yeah, I'd I'd have respectable uh temp fate braids.

SPEAKER_05 (59:38):
It's not a what about the hang time?
That's what matters.

SPEAKER_04 (59:41):
I I said respectable uh temp fate.

SPEAKER_05 (59:44):
You said tempate braids.
That doesn't mean what does thathave to do with hang time?
I didn't think it wouldn't lookbad.
I'm saying, well, how uh does itgo back to your your your what
would say there's a reason whyuh my hair is not burning.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:01):
My hang time is respectable, but not where I
want it.
I don't w like once I braid myhair, it's not gonna be close.
Okay.
And you know, they start it tooearly.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:20):
Lock journey.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:22):
Yeah.
You know, guys with locks.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:25):
Yeah, I know I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and and you know, whenthere's guys whose hair is as
long as mine.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:34):
And granted, uh you don't see my hair and know how
long it is because it's alwayscrinkled up because I got nappy
hard R hair.
But I'm like, hey big dog, youshould you should have just kept
the the nappy fro, bro.
Like that shit looks terrible.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:52):
Uh but let's talk about the Falcons.
I guess you watched them.
I didn't.
I I was working.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:00):
Yeah, I watched the Falcons play.
Um shout outs to Josh Holsey.
I was more so on red zone,anyways, because after a certain
point, you just don't reallywatch it.
But um, what I will say is thatI did watch.
Um first half, obviously it was6'6 at the half, pretty
competitive.
I thought that they missed outon some opportunities to get six

(01:01:24):
as opposed to three, but what'snew?
Right?
Um they were putting pressure onSam Darrell.
Sam Darrell, and then we talkedabout this last week, that Sam
Darrell was kind of just likehow Daniel Jones, which we'll
get to that whole thing too, butlike Daniel Jones, they kind of

(01:01:46):
start reverting back to theirold sales, and you could see
these turnover pronequarterbacks that you can get to
that will cough it up, that willgive you an um incoherent type
interception play.
These were things that that thatwere possible in this game
because of where Atlanta ranks,not just in sacks, but in

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pressure rate.
Enter James Pierce, enter JalenWalker.
Like these these were these werethings that were were possible,
and that was how the whole firsthalf played.
Then you kick off the secondhalf with again, the thing that
probably lost you the Jets game,a special teams blunder.
Rasheed Shahid, former Saint,embraces the villainous role and

(01:02:26):
runs one back for it.
It was the longest play of theyear.
So that should say enough initself.
They kick off that way.
We get the ball.
Kirk goes through it out.
They get the ball, they go downthe field.
JSN gets in.
Shout outs to him.
We'll get to fantasy football aswell.
And our um speaking fantasy.

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I mean, I scored 146 points,Lee.
I nobody I looked at you guys asteams.
I know maybe you didn't.
It didn't matter if you guys setyour lines how you wanted.
I would have outscored.
I like one 13.
You played well, but I wouldhave beat.
It doesn't matter who the fuck Iwould have played.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:05):
Oh, yeah, no, you no, you went, you went, you went
crazy.
I checked.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:07):
Do I play you this week?
No, you got Nico.
Which Nico's got some toughmatchups.
We'll get the fan.
We'll touch on that.
But point being, um, yeah,Seattle look like the team that
they are.
They're a 10-3 football team.
We are a, what are we?
We are 4-9.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:26):
I don't know.
Bad.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:29):
They're a 10-3 football team.
We're a four-and-nine footballteam.
Uh, we've lost seven of our lasteight.
Uh, our coach has the lowestwinning percentage in the NFL of
all current coaches.
Um, hold on.
I don't want to miss anything.
Um, we have a fair weather fanbase to begin with, and at this

(01:03:50):
point it's actually warranted.
I wouldn't be showing up andcheering for this shit either.
I mean, that's why, I mean,look, I haven't made any effort
to really go to a game outsideof, I guess I was at week one,
but like, made no effort to goto games.
And granted, I guess we have seeI have like we got season
tickets and stuff, but like it,you know, I just don't even feel
the need.

(01:04:10):
It didn't even matter to me.
And so, um, yeah, it was m muchado about nothing.
It was normal Falcons business,if if you will, at this point
that they ended up putting on.
And it's it's reallyunfortunate.
As somebody that has cheered forthis team his entire life, I
don't think I've ever felt thisdeflated, seriously, as a fan.

(01:04:31):
Because as a kid, I didn'treally get to be upset about you
didn't care enough.
Exactly.
And I know that those are somepretty horrid years between the
the Super Bowl 98 season and Vicstarting, then that wasn't eight
years though.
And then even the it's crazy,even the Vic the Vic transition

(01:04:54):
that Matt Ryan was one year.
That wasn't like it wasn't likeit was even that long.
Matt Ryan did he is a part ofthis stretch of the eight years,
but we also recognize not justas fans, but as people that
watch football, it's not hisfault that the defense was
always really bad, even towardsthe tail end, the twilight of

(01:05:14):
his prime was not because MattRyan was losing us games.
It never was him.
It was that the defense isreally bad.
Coaching isn't great.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:25):
He's not playing at as high of a level, but like we
were in we were in Cap Hill withthe Matt and Julio deals, and we
had to do them, and they werefalling off, and we did not
draft well enough to plug in theholes.
But it but the again, Matt Ryangave us so many good days that

(01:05:47):
the end of his career was whatit was, and we understood it.
And like as a as a football fan,take away your Falcons fandom,
right?
As as football fans, weunderstand the all-time
quarterback of the franchisegets to have bad seasons at the
end and probably get overpaidand we be mad at it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:09):
But he didn't get overpaid.
He came off an MVP in a SuperBowl.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:12):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I I I mean, no, I I don't meanat the day of signing.
I mean The end of the career,the end of the contract, he's
gonna be overpaid.
Yeah, yeah.
We and so that all of that makessense, but now we've had enough
time to reconfigure we've we'vewent into a season with uh

(01:06:33):
Desmond Ritter as our startingquarterback, we've gone into a
season with Kirk Cousins as ourstarting quarterback, we've gone
into a season with Michael Penixas our starting quarterback,
we've gone into a season withMarcus Mariota as our
quarterback.
No, uh we haven't been uh in ourFalcons life, uh we haven't been

(01:06:53):
this bad at quarterback.
We haven't been this rudderlyand and we haven't had uh the
the makings of a good team andmissing the quarterback.
Like Michael Vick for a numberone pick underachieved for the
Falcons.
But given the roster, theoffense, the defense, he did

(01:07:13):
not, he did not under thoserosters did not underachie.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:18):
Michael Vick rosters?
Yes.
I disagree.
I think that there definitelywas a year or two where they
did, but like I'm saying, likein totality.
He didn't have a superstarreceiver or nothing, no doubt.
But like I'm saying defensively,we had like three, four pro
bowlers on the defense.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:35):
Like I'm just saying in totality, when you look at
the Michael Vick years of him.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:40):
They did about what they should have done in
reality.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:42):
And I'm just saying because he was a number one
pick, he went to jail for twoyears, and but but he was a even
prior to that, he was never agreat passer, which is okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:50):
Like, I I don't want people to think that this is
Michael Vick.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:53):
Hey, he he was he was over.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, holdon.
Before you start doing that,that that part, you diving into
Michael Vick is not relevant tothe I'm not diving into Michael
Vick.
I know, but even yeah, I know Iknow where you're going, and
everything you're saying isgoing anywhere.
I'm not gonna contest it.
But the point is talk about theworst eras of Falcons football.

(01:08:15):
We are currently in it.
Yeah, and that's what I wasgetting back to.
Like, Michael Vick, he did whathe was supposed to do given the
teams that he had, right?
Like we were in the playoffs.
We were consistently in theplayoffs with Michael Vick.
We were consistently in theplayoffs with Matt Ryan until it
got bad.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:33):
Well, we weren't consistently in the playoffs
with Michael Vick.
We went twice.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:37):
How many games?
Yeah, yeah, consistently, bro.
Once everyone.
And that doesn't include hisrookie year.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:43):
So it would be seven if we include that.
We're not gonna include that.
But we we were we were aplayoff-ish team.
We were a playoff team everyother year with Matt Ryan by his
numbers of how long he was hereand how many guys.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:56):
Yeah, I was gonna get to that, but like with with
with them, we were we weretouching the playoffs every few
years.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:03):
And even in even in even in some of the years where
we didn't go, like for instance,we lost to when Mike Smith got
fired.
That was a division championshipgame that we were playing for
that day.
Yeah, they didn't they had alosing record, but if they win
the game, we would have gone tothe playoffs.
Yeah, that like we were in it.
Have you when's the last timeyou remember the Falcons being

(01:09:24):
out of nigga?
7 and 6 is the leader in thedivision right now, and we're
fucking eliminated.
How crazy is that?
And it's the first week ofDecember.
Yeah, like is that not insane?
Like, like, I know I'm nottaking crazy pills.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:41):
Like you might be taking crazy pills, but they're
not showing on this point.
This is ridiculous.
Yeah, this is ridiculous.
Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:51):
It is something.
I think that's where we leaveit.
It's ridiculous.
We we are a bad franchiseleague.
The Jets are the only team inthe NFL with a longer playoff
drought than the Falcons.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're a bad franchise.
We're second in command, we'reVPs of bad football in the NFL.
We are no, I'm serious.

(01:10:12):
Look it up.
No, we have one of the 10longest streaks in of the four
North American pro sports, majorsports leagues.
We are in the top 10 and we'renumber two in the NFL when it
comes to the streaks of notmaking the postseason.
And this is a team thateverybody can remember the last
time.
Maybe not we I we remember whenwe were in the playoffs last
time, but we can remember thelast everybody remembers our

(01:10:34):
Super Bowl.
So the idea that it's gone downhe'll, and that wasn't, I guess
it has been that long ago.
But like it doesn't feel like itfor us.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:44):
We haven't been in the playoffs since I lived in
San Diego, bro.
I left San Diego in 2018.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:49):
We and and I don't know if you saw it, they put out
an article on the AJC sayingArthur Blank's a bad owner.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:57):
I saw that the article existed, but hey, Parlay
Pete, transition us into likethe week roundup and don't get
into Shadora.
I'm gonna go to the little boys.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:07):
Don't get into Shadora.
That's always gonna be hard todo.
Pause.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:10):
Um, but I know we're the media.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:13):
Yeah.
Uh, but no, NFL was prettyinteresting this past week uh
overall.
I think that one of the biggesttakeaways from week 14 was
again, you as you start to goby, you you kind of get past
like who's actually gonna be aplayoff contender.

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And I think that in this case,we got to see a couple of teams
drop off.
Bills-Bengles game, highlyentertaining.
Bengals lose.
They don't have a chance.
Like, I think even if they wentout, it would take so much for
them to get in, but they're outof it.
Um, you look at this, you lookat a team like the Dolphins, a
success story, a team that wassupposed to be dead in water
because the Falcons weresupposed to beat them when they

(01:11:55):
played them, but they didn't.
Now they brought it out foughtfive of their last six.
Uh, you look at a team like theBucs, not encouraging.
They lost to the Saints.
Saints aren't a good footballteam, guys.
I mean, that's the one team theFalcons have beat in their last
eight games.
Bad football team.
Um you look at the SteelersRavens.
Aaron Rodgers shows a pulse.
Mike Tomlins shows a pulse.

(01:12:16):
They win the game.
Very crucial and important game.
Like, I mean, that game's gonnabe huge.
Uh, Broncos Raiders.
The only thing to take away fromthat game, because it didn't
mean anything outside ofgambling, which I don't
understand how some people watchcertain football games without
gambling on it.
And that doesn't mean that Ihave a gambling problem.
What it means is that there arejust certain games out here that

(01:12:36):
I would not understand whysomebody would even do something
like that.
I couldn't watch a certainfootball game unless I did have
money on it.
And that was one of them.
But that was the one reason whywe're gonna bring this up, is
because in that football game, afield goal was kicked at the
end, and it changed the outcomeof a lot of different bets.
Uh, obviously, Bears Packers wasNFC, AFC, I'm sorry, NFC North

(01:12:59):
supremacy that was going onthere.
And you had that pretty muchthat was with that.
But like at the same time, youknow, a lot of ball still left
to be played, but the Packerskind of take over there.
Rams crush the Cardinals.
Texans pretty much in thefucking Chiefs dynasty.
Um and I think that that gamewas really more defining for a

(01:13:22):
team like the Texans as opposedto was an indictment on the
Chiefs.
The Chiefs aren't good, but likeat the same time, why can't the
Texans start being taken alittle bit more serious?
Because that's another teamthat's constantly made the
playoffs and normally wins aplayoff game.
And now with a year where itlooks like it's gonna be no
Chiefs, there might not be anyRavens, the Bills are certainly

(01:13:44):
more than likely gonna beplaying on the road the entire
time.
You look at a win like that bythe Texans and how well that
they played in general, and yousay to yourself, why can't they
be the team that makes that run?
Because nobody fears any ofthese top seats, these top
seeds.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:59):
Says the guy who said fade to Texans a few weeks
ago.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:03):
Man, because I watched them.
Well, who was that that theyplayed?

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:07):
I don't know, it was a prime time game because you
know that's all I watched.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:11):
It was it was uh it was them at Seattle, but you did
not how good it cost me such anice win, Lee.
And so, but no, I said fade thembecause offensively, I think
that I think their offense stilllow-key does fucking suck.
I think CJ Stroud looks a littlebit better, and Nico Collins is

(01:14:33):
obviously looking better.
They're looking better, andlook, for what it's worth,
Seattle's 10 and 3.
They are tied for the bestrecord in the NFL.
So they played one of the bestteams in the NFL on the road.
I just look it just seemed likeit was a lack of care of that
game.
But they pretty much haven'tlost the game since.
And so, you know, it is what itis, but um I was just kind of

(01:14:58):
going through that rundown ingeneral of kind of these games
that meant something.
Like I said, Bills get animportant win over the Bengals.
It pretty much knocks theBengals out.
Uh, Dolphins continue to get hotbecause ever since they played
us, they're hot.
Uh Saints beat the Bucs.
Bucks Carolina's got a pulse.
Like Carolina can really winthis division.

(01:15:18):
Obviously, it'll come down tohow that kind of comes down
because they've got to play eachother twice in the next four
weeks.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:23):
That Mike Evans injury was really big on the NFC
South and really big in ourfucking fantasy league.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:30):
What are you gonna do about that?
You know they activated himtoday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:35):
I'm going to uh ponder.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:38):
Actually, we'll let's let's let's box this in
because now we can do our littlefantasy segment here.
Uh what are you gonna do thisweek?
I'm just curious.
I mean, I don't play you, butI'm curious as to who I think
I'm gonna play next week.
Because I'm gonna beat Gambles.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:59):
I I'm probably gonna play Mike Evans because I love
him, and uh Judge of Jeffersonhas been a disappointment.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:11):
So you're gonna start Abuka too?
Yeah.
Well, you're not gonna not startJustin Jefferson against the
Cowboys secondary.
No, you're gonna take KhalilShakir out.
You're gonna start him, are yougonna start Baker as well?
Because you're really puttingbasically you can decide if you
want to put all your eggs in onebasket on tomorrow.

(01:16:32):
And you have to make thatdecision by tomorrow.
Because Jay Love is playing atDenver, so that's not really a
favorable matchup.
Like on the road at Denver,that's not a favorable matchup.
But no, it's not, but but if youput Baker in and you also are
gonna start Mike Evans andAbuka, I mean, you're hoping

(01:16:54):
that they kind of like theFalcons up.
Because that could dig that'sthree out of nine slots.
I mean, that's a third of youryour minutes and your points.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:05):
I I'm gonna trust my draft, but hold on, I'll be
right back.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:10):
Okay.
Well, as he uh is there, what Iwill say is this we've got a
very interesting fantasyfootball uh situation going on
here, guys.
Uh for any of those that docare, Lee is currently, he got a
first-round bye.
He's the number one team in ourleague.
Um, he shouldn't be, if we'rebeing completely honest.

(01:17:32):
I actually should be the numberone team.
I normally do win this league.
Well, don't let anybody elsehear that.
I haven't won since 2018, butwe've been doing it for 10
years, and I also have the mostchampionships.
So that should tell you what youneed to know.
And I've also been to three ofthe last five championships.
I've lost all of them, but I'vebeen.
Um, eight top three finishes.

(01:17:53):
Uh I normally I win this league,is my point.
I am the hunted in the league.
And it's not to pat myself on myown back, but it's the truth.
Um, anywho, he's number onerecord-wise.
And so uh he's got Nico, who ispretty much number one all year.
Good team.
Jonathan Taylor's slowed up.

(01:18:13):
It doesn't help that he's gotPhil Rivers now.
Uh, and then I get Gambles.
Good buddy of mine.
Shout out to Gambles.
We love you, Gambles, but I'mgonna tap that ass this weekend.
That's pretty much what's gonnahappen.
Um, Gambles has a good team.
I feel like really me andGambles match this week is
basically gonna be ourchampionship.
That's just my opinion when itcomes to the fantasy matters.

(01:18:35):
Uh, and I think that it could goa lot of different ways.
Um, you know, but I think thatwhen it comes down to it, it's
gonna be kind of down to me andhim, and that's why this matchup
is so important.
But we want to see what Lee isgonna end up doing.
That is my biggest thing.
Is Lee gonna be able to hold ittogether against a Nico team

(01:18:57):
that is kind of battered?
I mean, he might not have a T.
Higgins.
Uh I was really hoping thatthere was an opportunity, maybe
that I'd be able to playjustice.
But I don't obviously, you know,packing, huh?
Yeah, I mean, that's I mean, atthe end of the day, Justice his
running backs didn't show up.

(01:19:18):
And um, you know, but I've I'veI've played justice three times
in the championship since wethis league's been going for 10
years, so of course I'd love tosee justice again in the
championship.
It's always nice to to to get tothat point.
I mean, it's just like anythingelse.
If any brothers face each otherin NBA finals, like when it's

(01:19:41):
our cousins, like anything,everybody would love to have
that.
It's a great storyline.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:46):
You know, I mean, we could get that this year with
the Thompson uh twins.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:51):
Exactly.
That's that's totally possible.
I don't think that it willhappen because Houston's not um
gonna go.
But my my point is uh while hehad stepped out there just for a
second was that we've got aninteresting uh semifinals
weekend coming up here.
I'm happy Matt got beat badly.

(01:20:12):
Yeah, but everybody should haveknown he was not gonna beat me
in any like just any circus,like I wasn't losing to Matt.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:18):
Yeah, no, we just Matt doesn't belong in the
playoffs.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:22):
That's just it's it's a James Madison organ uh
type thing, which honestly Ithink that's a perfect
transition.
Why don't we get into collegefootball and what's wrong with
what?

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:36):
College football, I mean, stating it nicely is a
shit show.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:42):
I mean, you have this multi-billion dollar
organization that is undermultiple umbrellas while uh
competing for uh a a nationaltitle.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:55):
Okay you have this very uh subjective way of uh
evaluating uh the teams becauseit's so broad.
There's so many teams, there'sso many variables, there's no
consistency in scheduling,there's no consistency in

(01:21:16):
opponents, and honestly, youcan't create any level of
consistency in opponents withoutexcluding a bunch of programs.
And my fear is that instead oftrying to unite college football
under one umbrella with manydifferent tentacles, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:42):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:43):
We're gonna end up having the SEC versus the Big
Ten becoming the AFC versus theNFC while having all of these
variables available.
And I'm just gonna be honestwith you, there is a big
difference between the the BigTen and the SEC.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:06):
Uh at the top, the teams are close, but who's the
fourth best team in the Big Ten?

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:24):
Well, it was supposed to have been, and
technically really it would havebeen or well, Indiana probably
would have been, who coming precare you saying?
Probably Iowa.
It's Iowa after the the dustitself.
It's Iowa.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:37):
All right.
What the fuck do you think Vandydoes to Iowa?

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:41):
Or USC.
Is USC I tell you, it's USCbecause they did beat Iowa.
Do you think USC beats Vandy?
Vany's not the fourth best team,but yes.
Well, I that's I don't I thinkno, I that'd be a damn good
game.
That should have been a bowlgame.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:57):
Do you think USC beats um Texas Texas?

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:07):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:09):
That's my point.
That's their fourth best team.

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:12):
And I didn't bring up Alabama, OU, Texas, AM,
Georgia, AM, Georgia.
The teams in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:22):
Yeah, yeah.
I wanted to talk about our topteams.

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:25):
The leftovers.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:26):
Exactly.
I want to compare our leftoversto their leftovers.

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:31):
And we haven't been played.
What um and only because we kindof spoiled it a little bit, we
talked about this inpre-production.
We agree with the rankings.
What's the biggest issue withthis?
And I don't want this cookiecutter ass, obviously, to know

(01:23:54):
our fives in, but like, what'sthe actual issue with the
playoffs?

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:57):
My my biggest issue is that we're treating the
playoffs like we're treatingfucking so uh uh uh uh uh uh
social programs or like weshould treat social programs.
So the playoffs, hey, we'regonna give everybody a shot and
the little guy, we're gonna givethe look the little guy a
legend.
Is it a DEI?
Low key, yeah.

(01:24:18):
Okay.
It's actually worse than DEIbecause the idea of DEI is to
get qualified people anopportunity who may not who may
not socially cross over, ortheir skills may not translate,
their the expression of theirskills may not translate the way

(01:24:39):
others might.

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:40):
But we're still looking for the most qualified
person.

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:43):
Correct.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:44):
This right here is actual like a social program.
You know, like, hey, you do notqualify for this, and under a
free market, you would not getthis benefit.
But we're gonna create a controlfor you to get this benefit.
Right.
You know, it's crazy that we canlook at a college football team,

(01:25:06):
a college football program, auniversity, an institution, and
say, hey, although you did notearn this in the in the field in
which you were allowed tocompete for this, we won't do
the same for actual people whenwe're talking about health,
life, death, food.

(01:25:27):
It's insane.
But to get to the bigger pointis my biggest issue is the
automatic bids for the powerfive, uh for the uh for the rest
of the you know, the non-powerfour.
I am okay with them getting intothe tournament.
But I think they should have toqualify based on their record,

(01:25:48):
based on the polls, based on thedata.
Like those Cincinnati, thosefickle Cincinnati teams, I'm
okay with that.
They dominated where they werein a 12-team play.
And they were undefeated.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:04):
Neither of those teams are undefeated.
JMU and Tulane are notundefeated.
And now Tulane is going to playa team that they already played.
It got blown out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:13):
And you know, I really don't like the 12-team
playoff.
I I really just don't like thebusiness of college football,
but the problem is I like theproduct that is college football
because believe it or not, theproduct on the field is less
affected by this bullshit thatwe talk about because you know
what football coaches do?
They coach games, they try towin, and they advocate for their

(01:26:37):
teams.
So we we sometimes less is more,and we're always gonna have
complaints, but the old way ofdoing college football was so
much better.
And lastly, can we please getfucking corporate finance out of
college football?

(01:26:58):
Like, we can't let these guyscome in and just wash their
money and and and with thissport and totally change the
sport and they don't care aboutthe sport.
Like, hey, every industry shouldnot be ran by money.
I'm all about getting yourmoney.
And if you generate this type ofmoney, cool.
But let the people who do it andlove it generate the money

(01:27:22):
naturally.
Let's not pump money into thisbecause we know that we can spit
it out.
And now, hey, we're gonnaoverpay these players and our
our our our our calculationssay, hey, the the what we can
get back in return is this orthat, or what we don't pay in
taxes, it can go to something welove.
Bro, I like brown bag money, Ilike car dealers, you know what

(01:27:43):
I'm saying?
I like the people who care aboutthe the product on the field
being the the people pumping themoney into the product, not the
people who care about makingmoney, and this is a lucrative
way to make money, and I went toschool here.
I don't like none of that shit.
I know I answered your questionwith many, many answers that may

(01:28:06):
not have got us to one, but I'mjust disgusted with the business
of college football.
And and and and and and lastly,again, I'm really disgusted with
the media pundits, the importantmedia pundits, fucking uh beaten
to the drum of their goddamnnetworks, because there are
there are people out here to puta name on it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:27):
Just say Joel Clatt.
I mean, that's I feel likeyou're I know it's not just
them, but I feel like that'sexactly what you're attacking.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:34):
Is Matt Berry, is Paul Faumbaum, is Stephen A.
Smith, is all of thesemotherfuckers.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:39):
Well, who does Steve beat to?
Does he beat to an FCC drum?
Steve doesn't really have a dogin the fight because he's a man
of penny hats.
He's supposed to be talkingabout uh basketball, but he
talks about everything.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:50):
When we talk about people who carry their company's
water and not do what they'retrusted to do, because part of
the reason that that these guysget these seats, get these
platforms, it's because theaudience trusts them.

SPEAKER_06 (01:29:06):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:07):
And and and we get and this is life, but you get so
powerful you become corruptedbecause you want to maintain
power, and that's exactly whatthe fuck we have going on.
We got guys on ESPN calling toend the fucking conference
championship.
Hey, guess what?
If you don't win the nationalchampionship and you win the
conference, you had a goodfucking season.

(01:29:29):
Yeah, you still get a ring.
You you you hit one of yourgoals of the season.
Well, I bet Ole Miss is happy orOregon's happy because they
didn't have to go get to a slugfest and get beat.
Hey, some people want to playfootball and prove that they're
the best football player, team,coach, whatever the case may be,

(01:29:50):
and it's anytime, anywhere, anyplace.
Like we we've forgotten theessence of what sports is and
why it's entertaining.
We've just gotten too caught upon the business and the
entertainment that we forgotabout the sport.
Right.
And and it's just gross.
It's gross because it createssituations like hey, Lane Kiffin

(01:30:13):
wants to take a better job.
But in order for him to take thebetter job and be in the best
situation for that job, he hasto turn his back on the team
that he's currently coaching.
And he gets painted as thisselfish person, which maybe he's

(01:30:34):
a selfish prick.
But he's not a selfish prick fortaking a better job.
Any other coach would do that.
You name a coach who would turndown the LSU job.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:46):
Name a man that's a job that on paper is better than
where they're working, andthey're gonna make more money.
I don't know money, many peoplethat would do that.
If you're that loyal to a faultto any company, salute to you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:03):
But like the reality is you bet you better, your name
better be on the wall, or thatcompany better have made you who
you are, and and you give thatcompany and they gave you a shot
when nobody else would.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:15):
In Lane's case, that ain't the case because he worked
for bigger programs in Ole Missbefore he's going to LSU.
And in my opinion, he's workedfor a bigger program already.
Fuck the NFL.
I'm not even gonna say that AlDavis, he's Al Davis' last hire
for the Raiders, but like fuckthat.
USC is a bigger deal than LSU.

(01:31:37):
Overall, it is.
That is a bigger deal.
USC is a bigger program than LSUin football.
I can take a college football,period.
They are the West Coast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:47):
Yeah, and and if we're being honest, he is the
linchpin to the second half ofthe Sabin of the Saban dynasty.
When Kif got there, the offensechanged, and they started airing
it out.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:07):
I don't know why I'm thinking you're saying he's the
second branch.
I'm like, no, that's Kirby, butI know you know that.
Yeah, all right, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:14):
But I'm saying in Saban's actual dynasty, when
Kiff got there and they changedup that offense, they started
getting quarterbacks that canrun and throw.
They Jalen Hurts.
No, Blake Sims was.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:27):
I mean, yeah, yeah, Blake Sims.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:29):
But no, but see, here, but here's what you need
to understand Lane Kiffin wascoming to Chaos High to see
Blake Sims to get him toTennessee.

SPEAKER_06 (01:32:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:38):
So him reuniting with Blake and Blake winning the
job, like, like Blake was one ofKiff's guys.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:45):
Are you saying that you saw Kiff up there in
Carsville?

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:50):
Me personally.
Me personally, no, because Blakeand I weren't in class together.
Uh-huh.
So I wouldn't be around forthose pullouts, and like I
wasn't in the first periodfootball weightlifting class.
But I have no reason to believethat my teammates would lie to

(01:33:13):
me about that.
Especially the specific teammateand friend who I who I got it
from, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:22):
I was bringing it up just in a sense of um, well,
shout out to Carsville, by theway.
I had a young lady fromCarsville text me this week.
And you it's not.
It's a cousin of somebody.
Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:41):
I once you were about to say it's not who you
think it is.
I initially had to have all butthat's that's who I that was my
initial thought.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So which maybe it's it's abirthday weekend.
Um we'll talk about that afterthe potties.
Yeah, yeah but uh yeah, we'llwe'll get to that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:01):
But nonetheless, well, you know, I'm in I'm in a
doghouse on that side anyways,because apparently we'll talk
about it after.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:08):
Yeah, I because I don't know why you would be or
what happened, but like uh well,yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:12):
I mean, not not that kind of doghouse, guys.
Uh yeah, yeah.
But um, so how do we fix collegefootball?
Do we change the calendar?
Do we put in some guardrails?
Do we get a czar?
Do we get back to old school?
What do we do?

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:27):
Well, one of the first things you do is the
transfer portal, all the portaland like signing days has to
change because that's why LaneKivens is not even able to
finish this job, and why he hasto make a rush decision.
It's unfortunate for a guy likehim, but he's getting played
paid plenty of money, and Ithink that everybody understands
business, and that's whatbusiness is.

(01:34:47):
People are always like, well,business is business.
No, nigga, it's money is money,is what it is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:52):
100 million is 100 million, big dog.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:54):
If you're not giving me 100 million and they are, and
I want the hundred million, yougotta understand that I am still
loyal to you guys and I want tofinish this.
But at the end of the day, ifyou're telling me I can't finish
it and I can't get paid becauseI gotta hurry up and start
flipping niggas, then so be it.
So be it.
I mean, that is that is the endresult of that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:12):
So this is culturally inappropriate, and
that's one thing that has tochange.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:16):
So let's start there.
That's number one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:19):
Hey, hey, real quick there, real quick before you go.
Don't you think that that's anactual great lesson for him to
teach those young men?
Hey, sometimes you get put intoa situation where you've got two
good choices, not two badchoices, but two good choices.
And the better choice is gonnahurt people you care about.

(01:35:42):
That's real life.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:43):
The better choice, and then in some cases, even if
the choice isn't better, eitherway, you're gonna hurt somebody.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:50):
Now, maybe there's somebody that you don't have a
connection with that you'rehurting, but no, nigga, you're
gonna hurt yourself you're gonnahurt yourself and your wife when
you turn down the 98 million.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:59):
That's what I'm saying.
One way or another, there's nothere will be a loser no matter
what, and one way or another,you will be a winner, one way or
another.
Whether that means that you'rethe hero of a town that you
decided to stay at and that youdidn't want to leave, or you
leave to go to another town andthen you're letting down people
that you've been with around allthese years.
One way or another, you can'tmake everybody happy.

(01:36:22):
That's the true lesson in it.
You can't, because you can'tmake everybody happy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:26):
And so if you if you if you were to leave this show
to go to another show to make aI wouldn't do that though, Lee.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, tomake a substantial amount of
money, my feelings would behard.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:40):
They'd have to shoot at the same exact time that we
shoot.
My but you would understand if Iwas getting paid like a lot of
money, yeah.
But even if if in the contractif I did, like if we shot on
Tuesday, I'd still do this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:51):
So like I'm saying, even if in the contract, it's
like, hey, you cannot do contentanywhere else unless it's under
our umbrella, but they'reoffering you life-changing
money.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:02):
Well, I'd work to get you on with me.
I think that's a big part of thecontract.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:07):
And what do you think Kiff is doing in the
locker room?
He's working to get the guysthat he fucks with on with him
at LSU.
Yeah, I know.
I know, and they're like, hey,he can't.
Well, we don't want him aroundbecause he's gonna be recruiting
our locker room.
Hey, bruh, he already recruitedthese niggas, he has their
number.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:26):
Yeah, what are we talking about?
I'm sure I know Chandless islike a 50 or senior, um, which I
don't know what he's gonna do atLSU quarterback wise, which
because Nussmar's going todraft.
I know they got the the otherkid that's there, but we'll see.
But yes, I get what you're whereyou're coming from.
I pick up what you're dropping,I really do.

(01:37:47):
Um it it it it'll it'll beinteresting.
But that but wait, to my mainpoint here.
Yeah, you see.
That's the first thing that I'mchanging with this college
football thing, because gosh, Irealize we're zooming through
this.
Second thing is obviously, whichthese are changes that have
already been made.
Now it is not to where thishappens again.
So this will be a one-offcollege football playoff.

(01:38:08):
You're not gonna see twonon-power fives unless one is
completely dominant.
Like, if they did a playoffsystem back in 07, 2008, 09, 10,
and Boise State, right, was thisundefeated team with Kellen
Moore.
Uh, I know they had Zabranskithe year they beat Oklahoma,
which is another thing.
This is what created thatphenomenon.

(01:38:30):
Zabranski beating AdrianPeterson in Oklahoma and Stoops
in the Fiesta Bowl.
Because the only reason thatthis even exists is because of
games like that.
Yep.
Use UCF with uh George O'Leary.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:41):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, UCF with some legal stuff
like discrimination if theydon't put him in there.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:50):
Discrimination.
No, this stuff is UCF beating,and I'm not talking about uh uh
Scott Frost undefeated, beatingAuburn in the Peach Bowl.
I'm talking about before GeorgeO'Leary, no, George O'Leary with
Blake Bortles played in theFiesta Bowl and they beat Baylor
with uh Bryce Petty.

(01:39:10):
Like, this is stuff that's beenhappening for years where you
see these underdogs.
They were they're the largestunderdog in the BCS era to ever
win a game.
I fact checked my fucking selftoday before I even said this.
16 and a half point dogs.
2013, well before I was evengambling on sports.
This happened.
And I remember it happeningbecause that's how Blake

(01:39:31):
Burroughs got taken by theJaguars third.

unknown (01:39:34):
Right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:34):
What were you doing in 2013?

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:37):
I was attending school at Morehouse College,
probably getting drunk with you,maybe one of the weekends of the
night.
You you we were probably all wewere probably at least still
around each other then.
We weren't hanging outconsistently, but I'm saying,
like, there was probably a nightthat we were somewhere together.
Yeah, I mean we would go toTommy's uh house.
I mean, I would go to yourparties.

(01:39:58):
Well, cause twenty thirteen.
That would be Justice's freshmanyear.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:03):
So, like, yeah.
So, like, anytime like he waslike Yeah, it was a Goldmouth.
Yeah, no, I know because I metSierra over there.

unknown (01:40:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:13):
Shout out to Goldmouth.
We gotta get Gold Mouth.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:17):
Why do I wake up in the morning sometimes and I see
him live on Instagram?
Yeah, his live.
He went live.
I'm like, why are you shootingthis?
I know he's on in Portland,right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:40:27):
I think so.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:28):
We need a Gold Mouth Tommy collab.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:31):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'd be down.
He used to want to pod all thetime, but you know, back when I
was married, I'd be like, heynigga, I can't pod like in 10
minutes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:40):
Like when you want.
You gotta kind of work on myschedule.
No offense to you.
I'm not saying fuck your time,but you know, you should
understand that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:40:49):
You don't answer to anybody.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:50):
I do.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:54):
And I get the answers wrong.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:57):
But the biggest thing is this, Lee.
A lot of the problems havealready been fixed because next
year we will get a playoff thatdoes not include what we have
today.
The biggest thing that we've gotto do is ultimately 12 was such
an odd number.
And they want more.
Even though it's an even number,it's an odd number.

(01:41:19):
Eight, eight, four was enough.
No, just do 16.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:26):
Fuck no.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:27):
And leave it there.
No, but you don't have to expandanymore.
Just do 16.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41:31):
No, contract.
We don't need more playoffgames.
I want bowl games to matter.
I want I want winning games.
They're not gonna matter, Lee.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:40):
But you now you can bring in more.
But this is what this is whatmakes it so good.
The Pop Tart Bowl can be one ofthe games.
The the they don't do the beefo' Brady bowl anymore, but like
because there's no beef o'Brady's.
I know, but this is what I'msaying.
You can still incorporate thegator bowl, the outback bowl.
Like these are things that canbe they're the opening round

(01:42:01):
bowl games.
We don't need there's gonna beone that's gonna end up winning
multiple bowl games.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:07):
There aren't six, there aren't 16 teams who can
compete for a nationalchampionship.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:14):
But this year, if you include the non-power fives,
there are bandy Notre Dame.
That's three right there, andthen who would be the 14?

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:22):
I don't think any of those teams I don't think any of
those teams can win a nationalchampionship.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:29):
Bullshit.
Texas was ranked number one tostart the year, Lee.
You don't think if they got inas a 16 seed, let's say that
they played Indiana.
Seriously.
If they were the 16, now we knowthey wouldn't be, but like if
they were the sixth team andthey played Nick, what do you
think Vegas was set the spreadat?
Well in a neutral side gameagainst Indiana.
You don't think Texas can beatthem?

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:50):
Yeah, but I don't think Indiana can be able to be
able to be able to watch, butthey're not in the playoffs.
But I don't think Indiana's thebest team of the country.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:56):
You don't think Notre Dame.
I don't think that they wouldbeat Georgia, but if it was
three versus 14, I don't thinkNotre Dame.
You don't think that Notre Damecould beat Georgia?

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:06):
I don't think Notre Dame can win a national
championship.
I'm not talking about their teamwas good enough.
I'm not talking about playoffwins.
I'm talking about winning anational championship.
So who do you think?
When I talk about contractingit, I understand that there are

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teams that are good that aregood enough to try to compete
get left out.
Teams that had good seasons getleft out.
But I don't think we've everleft out potential champions.
I I don't think college footballhas gotten the national champion
wrong since they started thefour-team playoff.

(01:43:50):
Honestly, under the BCS, didthey really get it wrong?
Probably not.
I know niggas didn't like thatuh Alabama uh LSU rematch in
2012, well 2012 season, 2013, Ibelieve, or 2011 season, 2013,
or 2012 uh when the game wasplayed.
Uh another thing I think theyshould do, parley Pete, is let's

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start the season earlier so thatthe national championship is
played over Christmas break andthe portal actually makes sense.
So a player can declare for theportal, you know what I mean, at
the end of the semester, whilestill staying with their team
and finish the season and stillbeing able to enroll because
they are student athletes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:34):
And I think that uh the but then I gotta mess with
the NFL and the NBA.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:38):
Excuse me?

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:39):
You said that you wanted the game that it to go
over Christmas break, right?
Yeah, I'm not saying onChristmas Day, I'm just no, I
know, but just during that week,all that travel, there's already
a lot of travel, as is fucksports.
You add in that and fan basesover a Christmas holiday and
week.

(01:45:00):
Well, look, I get where you'recoming from, but I really do.
Because New Year's Eve hasalways been their their thing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:07):
I'm okay with I said Christmas break.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:10):
If it ends, like if it lasts New Year's Day is a
week after Christmas, so unlessthey're not gonna play on a week
to week schedule and they'regonna have less days or more
days, even if it's Christmas Eveor the 23rd or something, and
then they get like an eight,nine-day break, that would work,
right?
But like you have to set thegames up, they have to be

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played, it has to work for thenetwork.
They got Christmas specials.
There's so much stuff because ofthe TV, I think.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:38):
Well, we can we can start the playoffs this week and
play Army Navy on fuckingFriday.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:45):
Or play it, make it the advertiser, make that the 12
o'clock game, and then you havethree games.
Uh you have one game on Friday,you have three games plus Army
Navy, then, and then even I hateto do it to fucking the NFL.
There ain't no entertain.
What's the uh there are someentertaining games this week?
I don't know, they can figure itout.

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They can figure it out.
I but they already do Thursdaynight games anyways.
Army Navy should actually be onThursday because they didn't
play last week.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:13):
So well, no, no, no, no, you no no.
You you want you you gotta havea weekend game.
Well, hold on, hear me out forthe guys who are gonna travel
but not take time off.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:24):
For the military, you're saying the actual service
members, the people who aregonna pack the stadium, yes.
But they also like to highlightthat.
That's why it's a bad idea tomaybe do it anytime during it,
even though you know there is abowl game on uh Saturday night.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:39):
Well, they need to do something.
Uh like I I know Army Navy makesit hard because we're a
patriotic country and we we wantto highlight this game.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:49):
But why not Tuesday and Wednesday games?
Make it a little action-wise.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:54):
You know, these guys are competing for something
bigger than themselves, and theonly way you get this kind of
rating is on a uh a football dryweekend.
But I I I don't know, man.
We we've got their studentathletes first, and I think we
need to take that student partinto it first, and build the

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schedule around these guysoptimizing their lives as
students because a higherpercentage of these guys uh need
the education that they receivewhile they're on campus, uh not
necessarily the education theyreceive while they're on the
field.
So uh let's kind of get to that.
Oh, we're at 147.

SPEAKER_05 (01:47:33):
Uh I started looking at the NFL fix and stuff real
quick because I was like, God, Igotta Do you got a problem with
uh with Bama and Notre Dame out?

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:43):
Like, I know we kind of glazed over it, but we didn't
really get into it.
Uh what like what are your realfeelings?
Like, should Bama have beenpunished for getting their ass
kicked by Georgia in a in achampionship, in a conference
championship game againstarguably the the the best team
in the country?

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:02):
No, on paper, no.
But I think from an eye teststandpoint, I don't think that
because now obviously two ofyour spots are given to the
non-power five, or now I guessfour.
It's really only four.
The non-power four, would I saythat aside from those two spots,
was Alabama a top ten team?

(01:48:24):
No, honestly, I thought thatNotre Dame was better than them,
and that's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:28):
But like who did Notre Dame play?
Who did they beat?

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:32):
They lost at Miami and AM.
They beat, I'll give you theybeat.
They beat Syracuse.
Nah, I mean, obviously thatdidn't.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:44):
They beat USC.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:46):
They beat USC.
They beat USC.
They beat uh now.
Remember, they lost AM by one onthe road.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:58):
Yeah, I mean they lost to AM and Miami by combined
four points.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:02):
Like they didn't play Michigan this year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:04):
They could like like they could have easily been an
undefeated team.
Hold on.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:10):
I'm gonna pull it up because I actually it it's such
a long year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:14):
I I I just think that you have to give Alabama
credit for the wins that theyreceived and also not punching.
Pittsburgh was a good team.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:21):
That was a ranked team that they did.
They just beat theirs basicallytheir last game beforehand.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:27):
Who?

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:28):
That had blew out Georgia Tech.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:29):
Is that Pittsburgh?

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:31):
Yeah, they beat they beat the shit out of them.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:33):
Yeah, that's a quality team they beat up.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:35):
I mean, I'm just saying it for ACC school, so
they lost by one to AM.
They lost by three to so combinefour points to two teams that
are in the playoffs.
Combined.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
One of them being road games,one being at Miami, the other
being a neutral site.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:52):
So a road game.
Where was it?
What neutral site?

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:55):
Uh they played that game, if I'm not mistaken.
No, it was at Notre Dame.
Okay, I'm tripping.
I don't know why I thought thatgame was played at Texas Stadium
or uh ATT Stadium it wasn't.
So all right, I stand corrected.
But looking at this now, I meanthey beat USC, they beat Boise
Eden State, they beat Arkansas,who I know is not a good SEC

(01:50:18):
school, but like they firedtheir head coach, man.

SPEAKER_02 (01:50:20):
Stop it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:22):
Yeah, this was before he got fired, though, and
they were two and two at thetime.
Even when they were two and onegoing into the match.
And it was on the road, it wason the road, and they won by 40
points.
I'm just saying that it's an SECschool.
Well, how how bad everybodyelse?
Because Texas didn't beat theshit out of Arkansas with the
fire coach.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50:40):
Like here's the thing, man.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:42):
When you when you the reason we have a committee
is because it'd be Davy who'swho's nine and two.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:51):
I'm no, I get it, but I'm just saying, like, I'm
just saying, bro, when when I'mlooking at the silver lining.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50:58):
We have a committee who's supposed to look at the
teams in totality and not justtheir record.

SPEAKER_05 (01:51:03):
They dominated these games too.
The closest game that they hadwas against USC, where they beat
them by 10.
So they double-digited them.
They didn't blow them out, butlike they still won by double
digits.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:17):
I wouldn't be mad if Notre Dame got in.
I I'm I'm just saying that I'mjust saying, do you think Notre
Dame's a top 10 team?

SPEAKER_05 (01:51:28):
Yeah or nay?
It's okay if you don't.
I just I think that they were atop 10 team this year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:34):
I maybe.
But I don't think our problemshould be with Bama.
I think we should pick more atlike your Texas Tex of the
World, your team of the world.
I I know they have Bellama.

SPEAKER_05 (01:51:47):
There's no team that you can pick at.
That's why that they didn't getit wrong.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:50):
But who the fuck, but who but who did they beat?
That that become like uh again,Texas Tech beat Notre Dame.
Yes, head-to-head does matter.
But damn it, that was week two,week one.

SPEAKER_05 (01:52:03):
I thought that Georgia game waskind of ugly and it didn't help.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:08):
Um, I'm not talking about Bama anymore.
I'm just talking about I'mtalking about Notre Dame.
I'm talking about some of theseother teams that may have better
records, but I mean, shit, whodo they play?
I mean, Indiana, because theybeat Ohio State and they beat
the dog shit out of damn neareverybody else, it's like, okay,

(01:52:29):
this makes sense.
Georgia blew the fucking Alabamagame, okay, so Georgia can't be
number one.
Uh Texas Tech lost a game theyshouldn't have lost, and they're
in the Big 12, so they can't benumber one.
But is Texas Tech as good?
Like, the Big 12 isn't a goodconference.
We don't respect what's comingout of the Big 12.

(01:52:50):
So, how good are you frombeating up on lesser teams and
also not taking the wear andtear into the next week?
No, I don't give a fuck how badFlorida is.
Going to the swamp is a longday.
Even if you beat the dog pissout of them, you're playing
against some future pros.

(01:53:12):
You're playing against reallygood talent.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53:15):
That that that that that come on, man.
I agree.
Lee.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:20):
I I and here's the thing.
And and if Bama doesn't get in,then team start back playing
these cupcake schedules and wedon't get good games.
And that's bad for the TVnetworks.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53:31):
Exactly.
Exactly.
And so and bad for the fans,shit.
Yeah.
Nobody's a winner in thesesituations except uh the TV
networks, because regardless,everybody is gonna tune in.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:44):
Well, the TV networks always win, and that's
why they run college football,you know.
We got Fox running the Big Ten,we got ESPN.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53:51):
Are you saying that Bob Eiger dictates who's gets
him?
I'm not saying that Bob.
But I'm like thinking about theSuper Bowl switches hands.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:04):
Do you think Clatt and Gus should get a national
championship game?

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:10):
Absolutely not.
But like um, I don't want Clattcalling.
They get the pro guy, I hate tosay it, they can get the pro
guys to do it for all that.
No, no, no, I wouldn't wantBrady necessarily like calling.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:21):
No, bro.
I don't want pro guys callingcollege football because they
don't know anything about it.
Yeah, it's a differentexperience.
No, but I don't want Joel Clattwho hates the SEC calling games.
I think Kirk Herbstreet being anESPN guy who has to uh be pro
SEC while being an Ohio Statealum and former quarterback and
Big Ten guy at heart, I thinkthat's a great balance now.

(01:54:47):
When you put him next to Al onThursday, I put the TV on mute.

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:51):
Would you rather Clap B with Al than Herb Street?
Yeah, absolutely.
I like I like who would be theperfect classic for but who
would be perfect for Al as acolor?

(01:55:12):
Commentator for those out therethat don't know what I'm talking
about color commentator becauseAl is play by play.

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:18):
Honestly, Chris.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:21):
Yeah, but obviously that's not an option.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:23):
I don't hate I don't hate Chris like I used to
because it's fucking Tarico.
It's not the same, like it's notbut Tarico is so good, like
Yeah, Tariko's good, but he'snot Al and they don't have the
same dynamic.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:36):
I assume we're gonna go over the two-hour mark.
Uh we don't have to becausewe're well my timeout was this
because we didn't even talkabout Michigan football.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55:47):
Oh, yeah, yeah, we're going over the two hour
mark.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:50):
All right, let's make it 210 then.
Um here, let's cut.
Well, no, I do want to finishthis thought.
Uh there's nobody in the collegerealm that can step with
Michaels, in my opinion, that Iwould like.
Kirk obviously gets it becausehe's the top college dude.

(01:56:13):
Um, but for color with a guylike Al.
They could have just hired GregOlsen to kind of do it.
Low-key.
Because everybody loves GregOlson so much at Fox and he got
demoted because of Brady.
Yeah, why not just put Greg withhim then?
Uh that that would be good.

(01:56:35):
Yeah, but wouldn't that havejust made the most sense?
Like, if he's if he's thatbeloved, then why do you just
move him to Amazon?
And Jeff clearly could have didit.
Like, Jeff could have did it ifhe wanted to do it.
Jeff makes a lot of people move.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I'm not, I'm not, it's not ajoke with you.

(01:56:56):
It's just more of a it's it'slike truth.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:59):
Yeah, no, I no, I'm not talking about, I'm saying
it's picking up what you'reputting down.

SPEAKER_05 (01:57:04):
Jeff can make niggas do some shit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:07):
Absolutely, yeah.
No, absolutely.
I I I I just don't care to hearKirk Herbstreet talk about NFL
football.

SPEAKER_05 (01:57:17):
And me neither, because I know that he's too
busy thinking about college.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:21):
And Kirk and Al both legends in their game.
It doesn't mean it always works.
We saw Kobe and Dwight Howard.
Didn't work.

SPEAKER_06 (01:57:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:39):
And that Lou Williams shit was weak, but we
ain't gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:57:43):
Yeah, we won't.
That's gifted.
Uh we got we'll give him abouttwo minutes.
All right, nah, we can giveabout five.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:50):
Hey, if you're a black man, don't coach in uh
college football in Michigan,man.

SPEAKER_05 (01:57:55):
I you sent the step brothers picture, and maybe that
is kind of what that is, becausethey were a wolf in Michigan.
I have to now I want to hearwhat your conspiracy is on this.
Obviously, the facts of thesituation are that he's fired
and that he uh uh had aninappropriate relationship with
the staffer, and then obviouslywhile we were on air as we got

(01:58:16):
started, it came down that hegot detained.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:19):
No detail.

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:20):
Now, my thought was the detainment was was he like
not leaving quietly?
Like basically he was on canvaswhile he got fired, and then
that's why he got detained.
You brought up earlier that youbelieve that maybe it was more
of a potentially a I don't know.
We don't know if it's we don'tknow if it's that, but that
maybe it was a criminal chargefor why.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:42):
Well, yeah, because the city wasn't an arbor.

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:49):
So I'm like, oh, well, he's I'm getting on
Twitter while you talk aboutthis so that I can see if there
is anything.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:54):
He's not on he's not on campus when it happens, but
uh dog Jason Whitlock talksabout it a lot.
And talking about the the peanutbutter skin in the big cans was
never about his likelihood.

SPEAKER_05 (01:59:13):
Holy shit, hold on.
What we got?
Hold on, I'm trying to see.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:19):
Well, let me just let me know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:59:22):
I'm sorry, the first thing that came up was honey,
get out of bed.
The Sharon Moore mugshot hit thetimeline.
And here's a picture of him.
This could be AI.
It's not from a reputablesource, but it's a picture of
Well, I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:39):
I want charges.
I don't give a fuck about what Iknow what he looked like.
Anyways, point being was whenWhitlock was talking about Joy's
tits and and skin, it wasn'tabout it was it was it was more
of a metaphor of hey, there arewomen who we encounter and Our

(02:00:00):
lives who can create issues forus in our successes.
And we have to be careful ofthat because you could have a
consensual relationship with a awoman that could be deemed
inappropriate and it's notaffecting anything, and
everybody around you knowswhat's going on and don't really
care.

(02:00:22):
But then once they're done withyou, that can then be used as an
excuse.
And then me hearing he gotdetained, it's like, oh golly,
did it are there allegationsthat say was he trying to kill
himself or anything?

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:39):
Like, what was going on?

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:41):
And you know, he tried to kill one of y'all for
firing him.
Correct, exactly.
Y'all probably already knewabout and he knew y'all knew
about, and it's like, we reallydoing this, but hey, don't fuck
the help, and not literally thehelp, but man, don't fuck
employees for one, but honestly,be careful about dealing with

(02:01:04):
co-workers because it justcreates problems.
And I and I know most Americansmeet their partners at work, so
I'm not telling you not tomingle at work, but just be
careful and responsible about itand make sure that this
relationship does not jeopardizeyour things outside of work

(02:01:24):
unless you're willing to losethose, unless you're comfortable
losing those things.

SPEAKER_05 (02:01:30):
Alright, so I'm on TMZ.
I hate to be a messy bitch, butuh they're credible.
Uh, you know, you know what'scrazy?
You know what made themcredible, in my opinion?
The Michael Jackson thing.
That was like the first thing Iremember.
What did you say?
Everybody you remember whenMichael Jackson died, right?

SPEAKER_03 (02:01:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (02:01:51):
Didn't everybody it was a summer day, like oh nine.
I was headed, I think, my junioryear.
You're probably headed to yoursenior.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (02:01:59):
Not probably you would have had to have been.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:01):
Yeah, no, we had a tournament at the school, we had
a summer tournament at theschool.

SPEAKER_05 (02:02:05):
Uh we were working, we were playing, we just got
done playing basketball.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:10):
Yeah, and shout out to one of my home, shout out to
one of my homegirls who I raninto Thanksgiving uh weekend,
but she was actually, she andher sister were in a car
accident uh that day, and I wasI had like went home to grab
something because I live closeto my school, and I was in the
intersection when the accidenthappened, and I remember having
to like call my coach and say,hey, I'm I'm I'm caught up

(02:02:34):
because I gotta give a statementto the police, and like the guy
was trying to like fight them,and so I was the only dude
there, so like I had to you knowinvolve myself in some things.
It it didn't get crazy, but atthe same time, I wasn't gonna
let this man like do anythingcrazy to my to my friend.
So yeah, that's a day thatsticks into my head.
But what is uh what what arethey saying about Sharon Moore?

SPEAKER_05 (02:02:55):
So there's no new information in terms of uh why
he was detained or whathappened.
Obviously, rumors are runningwild, but basically because he
was in Saline, Michigan, that'snot Ann Arbor.
So he was not on campus becausethat's not Ann Arbor.
So he wasn't on campus when thishappened.
I don't know if he lives inSaline or not, but uh somebody

(02:03:17):
put something up.
We don't know how true it is.
We'll get to find out more,obviously, as the days go by
because this is very fresh.
I mean, he got fired an hourbefore we got on, and then while
we've been sitting here now fortwo, all this other stuff has
happened.
But basically, it could be basedon this is Twitter, and take
this with the grain of salt.
Somebody on Twitter is sayingthat uh basically he went over

(02:03:44):
to the chick in which he I guesshad the inappropriate
relationship with and wasthreatening to kill himself.
Now, we don't know how true thatis, obviously.
I am not a news source, I amjust talking about the rumors
that are sitting here.
I hate to sound like MarcellaSwally, but like, you know,
let's say that somebody likethat is true.

(02:04:06):
Because say I don't know whereSaline, Michigan is in
comparison to oh, yo, yo, yo,yo, yo, yo.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:11):
Let's call this what it is.
Now it's a headpiece on a neck.
I'm getting tired.
He's retained, he he's beendetained, he's alive.
Yo, you can't you can't do thatwith the side piece, man.
Oh, somebody put it up who itwas.

(02:04:32):
I don't care who it was, and Idon't think we should broadcast
that.

SPEAKER_05 (02:04:36):
Well, we don't have to.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:37):
Well, you can share it with it.
I said it to you.

SPEAKER_05 (02:04:39):
I said it's a good idea.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like I yo, you can't fall inlove with the executive
assistant to football coach.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Don't even put it, don't evenput out her title.

SPEAKER_05 (02:04:49):
I'm not giving you a name.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:50):
I'm I'm not saying that's a good thing.
No, but I don't think we shouldbe responsible for dot for
possibly dots.
Yeah.
But but even still, that's morereason why I don't think we
should even spread anythingabout it pri uh publicly.

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:03):
Now, privately, we can look at it and and even
somebody looking at the rosterof who the fuck is a staffer at
Michigan and it's only the samething that they did with uh
email.

SPEAKER_04 (02:05:12):
I got you, I got I got you, but I don't think we
should direct people towards thedeuce, we shouldn't be a part of
any of that.

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:20):
I understand.

SPEAKER_04 (02:05:21):
I I understand without without us knowing for a
fact, that's all.
He is innocent until provenguilty.
You want to get to these picks,yeah.
But but real quick, dog, yo, ifyou get caught up with the side
chick and you start losingeverything, my my nigga, you
can't go over there and be readyto off yourself, dog.
If if if that relationship trulyruns that deep, you should

(02:05:43):
probably leave your family andstart a relationship there, bro.
I'm just gonna be honest withyou.
You want me to tell the truthand not bullshit.
That's that's the truth.

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:51):
The guy from Good More America did it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:05:54):
Yeah, he did it right.
If you're if you're going tohave a yeah, I don't want to be
with you.
If you're gonna have a sidefling.

SPEAKER_05 (02:06:02):
Yeah, I love this bitch.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06:03):
If you're gonna have a side fling that you're willing
to risk your marriage over, andI and I mean not like getting
caught in all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (02:06:10):
I mean you're gonna he wants to he wants to panel
that ass for the rest of hislife.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06:14):
He's yeah, if you're not gonna leave, if you're not
gonna leave that side chick, orthe results of your relationship
with that side chick coming tolight has you on the verge of
suicide.
Hey, big dog, go be with thatside chick.
You deserve that happiness, makeher your main chick.
And just hope that it's notanother side nigga that's that's
fly like you that can get away.
It's worth more than yourcareer.

(02:06:36):
Oh, yeah, bro.
Being happy at home having ahome that feels like a home is
is probably the most importantthing ever.
And not to get personal, but Iknow that both of us can relate
to living in a home that you payfor and not feeling like it's at
home, feeling like it's yourhome, and that's not a great

(02:06:57):
place.
So don't stay in it long.
I think you should do what youwant to do.

SPEAKER_05 (02:07:04):
That's what I feel like.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:05):
Well, yeah, do what you want to do, but if I were to
give you advice, that's what Iwould say.
Do what you want to do, and if Iwere you, this is what I would
do.

SPEAKER_05 (02:07:12):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Uh, and then one last thing onit.
Uh what did you just say?
It's literally something.
Fuck it.
Let's get to the point.
Hey, hey, hey, one lastquestion.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:27):
Does Steve have credibility?
I know he's entertaining andrich, but does he have any
credibility?

SPEAKER_05 (02:07:35):
I don't know who he knows at this point anymore.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:39):
I don't know what he knows so well that I care what
he says.
He's not an insider.
He's not an insider.

SPEAKER_05 (02:07:48):
He's a show host.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:52):
He's black Nick Wright.

SPEAKER_05 (02:07:54):
The information gets brought to him.
He doesn't search it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:58):
Nick Wright apparently has been putting 20,
20,000 on the Chiefs' money lineevery week.

SPEAKER_05 (02:08:06):
So Fox has been putting 20,000 on it.
That's where he got it from.
He didn't get it from winninggambling, he got it from Fox.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08:14):
Well, I think it makes everything make sense as
to why he's such a crazyfanatic, like a crazy fan, like
on the air.

SPEAKER_05 (02:08:20):
It's like, oh, nah, you he's probably about to hang
himself this week, which, ifanyone has any problems, please
call it Suicide Hot Lines.

SPEAKER_00 (02:08:33):
It is time for Paul Apeach.
NFL six.

SPEAKER_05 (02:08:42):
Six, six, six, six.
I'm glad that you did NFLknowing that goddamn well there
wasn't any college.
We will do a special bonus pickfor uh the Army Navy game,
obviously, and then as the weeksgo on, we'll you know we'll do
the college.
But let's go ahead and getstraight into it.
All right, we'll start off withthe Baltimore Ravens at the
Cincinnati Bengals.
We were correct on ThanksgivingDay.

(02:09:04):
I believe that now, this timeI've got enough courage to
fucking do it.
Let's go Bengals moneyline.
I think that the win.
I don't think the Ravens are avery good football team.
Bengals moneyline.
Next, we got the Raiders at theEagles.
I like under 39 and a half.
I think that that's a bit high.
I don't think that the Raidersare really gonna score.
I think the Eagles are gonnascore a lot.
They should win.

(02:09:24):
I kind of like the spread, butwe'll take the under.
Under 39 and a half.
Next, we got Chargers at Chiefs.
Such an odd spread.
And it keeps going up.
So as of today, we're gonna takethe Chargers.
That's really weird to me thatthe Chiefs are favored by that
much.
Super odd.
Next, we got the Colts at theSeahawks.

SPEAKER_04 (02:09:42):
Hey, where are we taking the Chargers at?
You froze up on me.

SPEAKER_05 (02:09:45):
Chargers plus seven and a half.
And then uh we got uh Colts atthe Seahawks.
We're gonna take under 42 and ahalf.
Phillip Rivers is back.
We didn't even get to get intothat as much, but we're gonna
take under 42 and a half there.
Then next, we got another underfor you guys, believe it or not.
We got uh Carolina Panthers atSaints.

(02:10:07):
Under 42 is gonna be the playthere.
And then finally, we have gotthe Detroit Lions at the Rams.
That is the upset of the week.
We're gonna go lines, moneyline.
Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 (02:10:22):
All right, my pen went out on me, so I missed uh
one of them.
So I got Bengals on the moneyline.
Uh-huh.
I got Raiders Raiders at Eaglesunder 39 and a half.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:34):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (02:10:35):
I've got Chargers plus seven and a half.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:38):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (02:10:39):
I've got Colts at Seattle under 42 and a half.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:43):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (02:10:43):
I got Lions on the money line, and I'm missing one.
Uh is Carolina at New Orleansunder 42.
Carolina at New Orleans under42.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:55):
Yep.
You like and no fucking pointscored there, Lee.
Wait, and then one more thing.
Oh, yeah.
Before you like and love it,because I didn't add the bonus,
I just wanted to hurry and getthat clip in there.
Um, because I don't like cuttingthat stuff.
We got Army at Navy.
This game means a lot, I'm sure,to you.
No, it doesn't.
But uh it is a pretty importantgame.

(02:11:18):
That's why they highlightedevery uh year.
I know that they've done it inAnnapolis.
I know that they've done it.
Um they do it in Philly, yeah,normally.
That's what I was thinking.
That game is normally inPhiladelphia.
Um, but as a special bonus pickhere, I'm gonna pick uh the side
and also the uh over under.

(02:11:38):
I like Navy on the money,they're better than Army, and
then I like over 38 and a half,believe it or not.
Both of these teams throw more,so that's why I like the over.
So we got Navy on the money lineand over 38 and a half.
Yep, those are just two bonuspicks.
So I guess we could call it halfa baker's, half half a double
baker's dozen.

(02:11:59):
Sure.

SPEAKER_04 (02:12:00):
Uh you like it, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 (02:12:03):
And when you love it, that means there's time for
leads three.
Leave three, lead three.

SPEAKER_04 (02:12:11):
All right, so for leaves three, uh, you know, give
me that Raiders and Eagles under39 and a half.
Uh, you know, I only think theRaiders get a Brock Bowers
touchdown, and the Eagles havebeen impotent on offense.
Jalen Hurts, we didn't reallytalk about it, had one of the
worst games ever.
First player in NFL history torecord two turnovers on the same

(02:12:34):
play.
Um, so I like that.
Isn't that crazy?
Not really.
I thought it was.
I mean, he has won a lot ofgames, but again, sometimes two
turnovers on one play.
Oh, yeah, that is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (02:12:50):
That's what I'm saying.
Not them losing, it was justmore of like the turnovers,
yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:12:54):
Give me the Chargers plus seven and a half.
I don't think the Chiefs dropfour in a row, but I don't think
they're good.

SPEAKER_05 (02:13:04):
Man, I think seven and a half is steep.

SPEAKER_04 (02:13:07):
Yeah.
And give me that Carolina at NewOrleans under 42 and a half or
42, whatever it was.
Under uh, because you know what?

SPEAKER_05 (02:13:16):
Shocked you don't like the any of the dog picks.
Oh lines at Rams.

SPEAKER_04 (02:13:24):
I I do like I do like I do like them, but those
unders were honestly so juicybecause I don't believe in these
offenses at all that it's justlike uh you know what?
Let's just throw some chum inthe water.
Uh I like I like the chance ofme getting up getting a bite
here, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (02:13:43):
I understand it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:13:45):
But hey, Parlay P, that's another show.
Uh anything you want to say aswe close out?

SPEAKER_05 (02:13:53):
Uh well, salutations, good people.
I appreciate all the people thatuh obviously tuned in.
I we can kind of see the numbersas they go.
I don't think it's everythingbecause I don't know if IG is
counting in that.

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:05):
But like IG and Facebook don't always reflect
appropriately.

SPEAKER_05 (02:14:09):
But from YouTube, obviously, we I give
Singkoi5102, our Filipinobrother that tuned in, and then
Greg Epps, he also commented.
So we appreciate all thelisteners, and then certainly
everybody that comments.
But outside of that, I thinkthat we're good to go here.

SPEAKER_04 (02:14:24):
Hey guys, thanks for listening this week.
We'll be back uh next Wednesday.
Uh if you didn't catch the fulllive stream, check us out uh on
YouTube, Facebook, uh,Instagram, and uh more
importantly, Apple Podcasts,Spotify, anywhere you find uh
podcasts, uh Washington winning,watched and winning.
And uh if you want to find uhall our content that I put out,

(02:14:45):
uh AC Lee is uh culturallyinappropriate, uh check that
out.
Uh but anyways, guys, uh have agreat week.
Hey, I'll hey, don't get offyet.
Pause.

SPEAKER_06 (02:14:55):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (02:14:56):
Stream is over.

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