Falcons Statement Win Over Bills

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Gotta set the vibes now.

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And you say shot city.

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Gotta set the vibes, you know.

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Shot city.
Shot city again.

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It's home coming week.
Look at him.
There you go.
He's coming home.

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We're back.
We're back.
Back like we never left.
Oh, uh, bad boy.
Take that, take that, pause.
Take that, take that, take that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01):
Oh man, that's a nice shirt you got on over
there, man.

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Yeah, I wanted to be sure that uh everybody could see
it.
I know my uh marquee name hereis a little long, so I didn't
want anyone to be confused withwhat who we're repping today.
You know, uh shout out to you,you know.
The illustrious Spelman College.
Hey, you know, I can't go ahead.

(01:25):
I was gonna say emphasis on thelust.
You know, Lee, they say that youcan't uh you can tell them more
house, man, but you can't tellthem much, right?
Yeah.
Well, let me tell you, there'snothing you can tell us about
tonight.
Absolutely nothing.
They run the world, they tell uswhat to do.

(01:46):
We are the ones that you cantell much to.
It's them that tells it to us.
I mean, yeah.
Uh especially if you let themtell it.
Hey, look, there's plenty ofguys that wear a maroon that
that will let them tell it, youknow?
They agree with me one 100%, youknow.

SPEAKER_05 (02:02):
I mean, they're number one for a reason every
year, right?

SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
They're like uh King James.
Which, and I know we'll touchhim a little bit.
Wow, that was wild.
Um yeah, go ahead.
Um what about him referring towomen as bitches?

(02:28):
I thought that was crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (02:30):
Um you know, I think he's just trying to show the
world his his regular how hetalks around people that he's a
human.
I think he's tired of being withhis wife there.
Yeah, I think he talks aboutwomen like that in front of his
wife.

SPEAKER_01 (02:47):
I mean, they've known each other since what, he
was 16.

SPEAKER_03 (02:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
15, however old.

SPEAKER_05 (02:53):
I'm sure they've had conversations about some of
these B words that he wastalking about.

SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
I I well, they almost would have had to.
I feel like LeBron just doesn'tcare anymore because he's uh
he's like uh he's like thebeginning of that little b song
Bill Clinton.
He said, I'm retired, nigga.
I already ran the world.
He's he's already done it.
It's not really anything else hecan do anymore.
He he can't make his his resumeany better unless he finishes

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off winning two straightchampionships.
Yeah, he can't he can't add tohis legacy anymore.

SPEAKER_05 (03:28):
No, and he's made so much money and he's so
profitable that him talking likethat doesn't affect his brand
anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (03:38):
Well, because what are you gonna do?
Say, LeBron, we don't we don'tcondone that.

SPEAKER_05 (03:43):
Okay, you know I can always go independent, right?

SPEAKER_01 (03:48):
Or I can go I could go at your competitor and we
could just squish you.

SPEAKER_05 (03:53):
Or, you know, I can I can offer like some of my
empire to like another majororganization and let them buy in
so now I don't even have to foota lot of the cost.

SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
Come on now.
But that is enough about Braun.
We will touch that a little bitmore and come basketball.
How are we doing today, Lee?

SPEAKER_05 (04:17):
Oh man, not too bad.
You know, I'm still riding ahigh from Monday night.
Uh had a great, had a greatepisode of the Village Vets last
night.
Shout out to our guest.

SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Uh I watched it by the way, and I meant to tell you
this in pre-production.
It was honestly the best villagevets I think you guys have done.
I watched the entire thing.

SPEAKER_05 (04:37):
Oh, did you?

SPEAKER_01 (04:38):
I swear I did.
Thanks, man.

SPEAKER_05 (04:40):
But yeah, I felt like it was I feel like it was a
it was a good show.
It was some good chemistry, goodsynergy.
And honestly, uh uh shout out toBig T.
I wanted her, I wanted her to uhlike code.

SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
Yeah, why was she showing herself?

SPEAKER_05 (04:54):
No, no, no.
That that that was that was uhthat was off camera.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:00):
Well I was off camera because she seemed like
to be the funnier of the two.
She says she don't do cameras.
But then like your camera, likehow it does that thing, it kind
of did show her.
Like I did kind of see her atone point, but you know.

SPEAKER_05 (05:17):
Yeah, I think I thought they brought a great
vibe to the show.
Um I can't talk about futureplans because I haven't talked
to anybody else about them.
So, you know, this is public.

SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Yeah.
I I enjoyed it.
I thought it, I thought it wasgood.
Thanks, man.
Yeah, I thought it was reallygood.
How about you?
What's up with you?
Oh, not a whole lot.
Um, you know, prepping thisweek, obviously.
Um we've got a Holsey in thehouse that will be here.

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So kind of just gettingeverything prepped for that.
Um I got my daughter, obviously,this uh this entire week because
they're on something called fallbreak, which I know we had kind
of discussed and how we had saidI don't remember ever fucking
having a fall break because wedidn't.
But that's that's that's schoolin 2025.
You know, it's that there's umwhat do they call it?

(06:11):
Uh like stay-at-home learningdays.
I forgot what the exact term is,but um yeah.
So they just have all this kindof wild stuff.
Like they gave me a laptop.
Like I have a uh APS-issuedlaptop sitting in here right
now.
Um it's actually really coolbecause it's like touch screen
on the screen, but then it'slike still like a laptop.

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It was pretty dope.
Now, obviously, they're gonnabuild the shit out of me if it
goes missing, but they gave itto us for this break.
So, you know, been kind of justwith her, which I enjoy.
I don't ever take that stuff forgranted.
Um, she has a ball with me.

SPEAKER_05 (06:46):
Um I I just think you're concerned about spending
tax dollars and your child justnot being at the place that the
tax dollars go to.

SPEAKER_01 (06:55):
Well, that and then they wanted to charge me extra
in order for her to come toschool for the week, and I was
like, no, because then it kindof defeats the whole purpose of
it being a break, too.
If it's gonna be a break, why amI sending her back to school?
And then why are you charging me$400 and something dollars for
her to be there for the week?
Like, why would I pay that?
Like, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (07:16):
Are we not earmarking enough money for
education in our budget?
Probably not.
Uh, but I'm supposed to get offfrom work.
You know, like we have thissystem where our kids have to be
have to go to school, and theyhave to be in school during

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these certain hours, and we haveto work during hours that don't
really align with theirschooling hours.
But we still got to work becauseit's expensive to live in
America.

SPEAKER_01 (07:50):
And and they know this, you know.
I mean, everybody knows this,and you already have to pay for
the after school care, right?
Like uh that that two to threehours after school in order to
be able to get them, get throughtraffic, make a little extra
money, whatever it is.
Or if you're just if you'rescheduled, like for me, you
know, obviously I don't really Idon't necessarily report to

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anybody, but like at the sametime, there are still just a lot
of shit that I gotta get done inthe middle of a day.

SPEAKER_05 (08:19):
Like, you know, and so I'll be sure to I'll be sure
to let the president of thecompany know that you said
publicly that you don't reportto anybody.

SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 (08:33):
We'll see if you'll be reporting anybody uh after
that.
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (08:40):
But uh, but yeah, you know, so just been doing
that.
And of course, just like you,elated by what we saw on Monday
night, talk about defense,defense, defense, Bijan, Bijan,
Bijan.
I just and Penix.
Let's just and Drake London.
I mean, I I love to see the mainguys be the main guys.

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Now I wish that there wassomebody else that could catch
the ball because I'd drinkLondon.

SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
Hey, hey, I gotcha.
We're getting ready to run thetest out.

SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
I gotcha.
How about him being four and oneright now?

SPEAKER_05 (09:25):
Hey man, they gotta they gotta they're gonna win
that division.

SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
They are they and they might wrap it up right
after Thanksgiving.
Seriously, if they if they beatCincinnati this week, and I
don't know, Baltimore's on bye,but you never know.
Yeah, they could wrap this thingup really quickly.

SPEAKER_05 (09:52):
Let's talk about our Falcons, man.
Uh, you know, we talked aboutthis game last week and we were
concerned, not because we didn'tbelieve in the Falcons,
obviously, because you gave outthe Falcons on the money line,
but because the Bills lost uh agame to the Patriots, which we
were concerned because we wereworried about a focus pissed off

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Bills team showing up.
But I think we should have moreso taken that as oh shit, these
guys are sweet and they're ripefor the taking.
And we have better skill playersthan the Patriots.
We have a equal to or betterquarterback than the Patriots.

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They've got a better coach, butI think we have a better defense
than the Patriots.
Statistically, we do.
Oh no.
We're we should beat these guys.
Yes, and what we did was we beatthem in a way that didn't make
it fluky.
Yes, there were there weremultiple turnovers, but hey, we

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forced those turnovers.
Uh, but we were up all game anduh kept the lead.

SPEAKER_01 (11:08):
Yeah, we never trailed, and that to me is
dominance when you never trailin a game and you win.
And so um big shout outs to toJeff Albrick.
And I I I I I owe him anapology, and not because I
didn't think that he was a gooddefensive coordinator, but it
was the idea once again with aguy like Ra and him coming back

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and saying, we've already seenthis.
Because we did, we had alreadyseen it.
And I thought that they madestrides after DQ was fired
because there was only one wayto go.
The only way to go was up.
But at the same time, we hadseen it before, and if we didn't
like it then, why do we like itfour years later?
What makes us think thatsomething, and I know it's
different players in thebuilding, but like why?

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I see why now.
Jeff Olbrick, you have myrespect.
I, you know, I at this point, Ijust believe the Jets are
cursed.
Anything that touches MetLifeStadium that's gang green, it
basically is gang green.
It it fucks you up.
You know what I mean?
It's gonna eat into you becausethat's exactly what's happened.
Any and everybody that movesaway from the Jets, they look

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great.
Aaron Rodgers looks great.
Ulbricht looks great.
You know.
Um you bring in Aaron, you bringin Aaron Glenn, who looked like
a mastermind.
He was telling that that Detroitdefense went healthy, was one of
the best units in football.
Then even when they weren'thealthy, they were still getting
the job done.
Now he goes there and he looksincompetent.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (12:40):
But you know what?
You know, one thing that I thinkwas different about uh uh Brick
and Ra running it back is theexperiences, right?
Ra got to go see how howMcVeigh's running his program
over there.
Brick got to go see solidrunning program, he got to go
see himself try to run a programand see the differences.

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And I think you become a betterdefensive coordinator when
you've been that interim headcoach and you see the other
things that the head coach isfocused on, and you know how you
can better support him.
Uh, I was listening to uh ChrisLong's podcast, and um big fan
of that podcast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, because it is one of thenational podcasts that isn't

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trying to aura farm, they'rebreaking down football, and you
have a bunch of linemen onthere, so there's a lot of
trench talk and stuff thatyou're just never gonna get on a
mainstream show that helps youbetter understand football.
Like I become a smarter onfootball listening to Chris
Long.
I it's not always about beingentertained, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (13:51):
Yeah.
Even though he went to MagicCity and got himself some
chicken wings not too long ago.

SPEAKER_05 (13:57):
Yeah, no, yeah, they do some funny shit.
But uh, you know, they talkedabout Ulbrick versus Josh Allen.
Ulbrick, Josh Allen has playedhis worst games against uh Jeff
Ulbrick's defenses.

SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
So they didn't look too good in that uh primetime
game against the Jets last year.

SPEAKER_05 (14:14):
They ended up winning, but like I mean,
because dog, what in the secondhalf?
I think we had a 71% blitz rate.
Yeah, and you're not supposed todo that to MVP quarterbacks um
you know, unless you trust youryour your secondary.
Yeah.
I I don't know, dog.
Seeing a Falcons pass rush andthen having DBs make big plays

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throughout the game.
I'm just not used to this as aFalcons fan.
So it's so difficult to analyzethis at times because you know
what you're seeing, but it'sjust not what you're used to
seeing.
Like this is winning footballthat travels.
This is a better brand of ofchampionship football than our

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our 28-3 team had, you know?
Yeah.
I'm not saying it's a betterteam.
I'm saying the style of footballthat we're playing and the way
that we are succeeding, it's abetter, it's a better style, uh,
it's a more sustainable form offootball to win championships.
It is.

SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
I want to see a little bit more offensively,
personally.
Um and I think that that's justbecause, again, I know Mooney, I
think Ray Ray didn't play, likeI know that there's been some
health issues with the receivingcore.
Uh Kyle Pitts was kind of ano-show in that game.
Um obviously, but he didn't haveto be because Drake London put

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the fucking team on his back.
B.
John Robinson put the fuckingteam on his back.
Like, so these guys are doingwhat they need to do, and plus
some, but I would like to justsee a little bit more ball
distribution.
Tyler Algier had the bigtouchdown run to kind of start
the game, too, you know, puttingthe fucking team on his back.
And like, so I want to see moreout of the offense because I

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feel like they're just gettingthe tip of the iceberg with the
offense.
I don't think we've seen thebest that that offense can play.
The defense to me is they'recooking.
They're cooking right now,though.

SPEAKER_05 (16:18):
Do you think that we haven't unlocked some of the
offense because of how well thedefense is playing?
And say, for instance, in theMonday night game, it's hey,
hey, Zach, let's we're gonnastay aggressive, but they're not
moving the ball.
They're not doing anything.

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Don't get fancy and lose thegame and let us play defense.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you know, we may be gettingtight, but doing it for the
right reasons.
Like, not actually gettingtight, let's just let's just
take the air out of the ball,out of the game.

SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Yeah, Zach, we need to at a minimum get that ball
past the 40.
If we get it past the 40, we'regonna control the field.
And the longer it takes to getthere, we're good.
And even and even with that, ifthey're starting, you know,
inside their 20, they're gonnahave to drive the field on us.

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We're being much more physical.
They're banged up anyways.
Um we've got the juice of thecrowd on our side, you know,
singing out, we ready for y'all.
Did you see that clip?
Yeah, yeah.
It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 (17:35):
No, I mean, like, and like, but hearing it, like
watching it.

SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
After they cut the music off, right, and it's you
know, yeah.
It it feels like it could besomething that gets started to
where we do this now at the endof a lot of games.
I'd love for that to kind of notmaybe it doesn't have to be a
tradition, but like it kind ofis though.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (17:54):
Like last year, last year we did it damn near every
game when for in that littlesegment in the fourth quarter.
In the games that mattered, youknow, when the games stop
mattering, you know, you knowhow our fan base is.

SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Yeah.
Well, it'll be like that Coltsgame on like Christmas Eve.
You remember that one?

SPEAKER_05 (18:12):
Golly, that's one of the worst games I've ever gone
to.
Yeah.
That was one that I took uhCindy and Lowe to.
I was like, this would be aperfect game for us to go to.

SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
Holiday.
No one's hey, light traffic,game means nothing.
We'll probably we'll probablyshould win.
Probably win.

SPEAKER_05 (18:33):
I got there was just no environment at all.
It it's one of those games thatyou don't even like, you give
those tickets away.

SPEAKER_03 (18:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (18:44):
Like, hey, Merry Christmas, man.
Take take take take your son tothe game.

SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Yeah, come out here and see because who started
quarterback?
Was it Scott Tolzine?

SPEAKER_05 (18:54):
It's something we didn't want to see.
It was bad.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:57):
Yeah, I know it was Anthony Richardson.

SPEAKER_05 (19:00):
Hey, but let's get back.
Uh, with this statement win bythe Falcons on national TV,
although we did have the B team,and more so the breakout
performances by Bijan and DrakeLondon.
Do you think this puts theFalcons in a different light in
the national media?
And more importantly, does itput our uh star skill players

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who we know deserve moreattention?
Bijan's obviously been getting alot more this year.
Uh, does this start to get themseen properly uh amongst their
peers?

SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
So I believe so.
Um it still felt like thenational media wanted to cover
more of what's wrong with theBills as opposed to look at the
Falcons.
There were a couple people thatdid do it though, like um Chris
Small.
Chris, well, Chris Sims.
Chris Sims came out and waslike, hey, the Falcons are

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legit.
Like, we need to start talkingabout this.
They've got the number two totaloffense and the number one total
defense.
You know, um, I saw uh DanPatrick, he he spoke a little
bit about it too.
Uh Florio, obviously.
So it was good to see something.

SPEAKER_05 (20:08):
McAfee and the guys, they did uh are the Falcons
legit.

SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Yeah, and and and even with Rich Eisen, um the
guy, Chris, the you know, thebald-headed dude, Brockman, he
he brought it up on his uhoverreaction uh Mondays on a
Tuesday, and they said, Is B.
John Robinson the offensiveplayer of the year?
And you know, Rich is like,that's not an overreaction at

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all.
Which I think at this point, andmaybe we can look up real quick
on Vegas, what they got.
I'd have to imagine he's gottabe the favorite, right?
He may not be the favorite yet.
Because think about the OPOY isbasically the non-quarterback
player of the year award.

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Uh because who's having I mean,and look, I know Christian
McCavery's having a great yeartoo, but like who's having a
better season than him?

SPEAKER_05 (21:04):
Puka was before he got hurt.
Didn't he get hurt last week?
Yeah.
Look up the odds, man.
You're the you're you're you'rea gambling guy.

SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
JSN is having a hell of a year too.
But um, hella Buka.
I feel like a lot of people, notjust rookie of the year that he
could have I mean, yeah.
He's gonna be threatening forit.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (21:23):
Yeah, but then that hammy thing happened.

SPEAKER_01 (21:26):
I know.
It's tough for some guys.
Fuck off.
Don't be mad at me, man.
Uh, all right, we got it up.
This is according to Vegasinsider.
Wow, Beson's second.
Who's first?
John Taylor.

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Ah, yeah, that makes sense.
But but JT doesn't have theyards, he's just scoring a lot
of touchdowns.

SPEAKER_05 (21:53):
He's scoring the touchdowns.
The media likes that redemptionstory of Daniel Jones, comeback
player of the year.
The Colts are number one in theuh AFC.
Shane Saikin probably has theinside track for coach of the
year, too.
Exactly.
You know, because you got toremember the the narrative side
of it too, and what sells.

SPEAKER_01 (22:17):
This is how they have it.
So John Taylor's first at plus125, Bijan's second at plus 350.
I think that's worth sprinklingon.
Jack JSN is third, he's plus450, then Puka is fourth plus
600, which he dropped, I have toimagine, because of the injury.
Yep.
Uh, then McCaffrey's fifth.
So basically, the guys that webrought up are, except I guess
John Taylor just kind of goesover your head a little bit.

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Like it makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 (22:39):
Because think about it though, we don't get indie
games, we don't get indie gameson our television very often.
And because we're not a nationalshow anymore, we're not in a
rush to go watch an indie game.

SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
That that and then we kind of our news on him is if
it's not, you know, thehighlight show on Fox or
something after our game orwhatever, then it's us looking
on fantasy and saying, damn, whydoes Nico have so many points?
And then you're like, oh shit.
It's because Jonathan Taylor had120 yards total and he had three
rushing touchdowns and and hehad six catches.

SPEAKER_05 (23:15):
Like, but hey, while we're here, it's it's been one
of those uh first takeyconversations.
Uh is B.
John Robinson the bestnon-quarterback in the NFL now.

SPEAKER_01 (23:31):
I mean, I think that follows up with the OPOY
question.
Yeah, I think so so far thisyear, they put out the statistic
in terms of uh yards fromscrimmage through five games.
He's third on the list in thatonly uh Christian McCaffrey and
OJ Simpson have had more yards.
And I think maybe Jim Brownmight have been somebody else

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that was on that list too.
But I mean, look at that type ofthat's a leak company to be in.
Because Christian McCaffrey, Iknow we've talked about how
Derrick Henry might be the lastHall of Fame running back.
The reality of the situation isthat Christian McCaffrey could
make the Hall of Fame too.
Yes, I think so.
I think he could.

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But like he I think he needs atleast three more years, though,
like of like really goodproduction.
But I think he would get in.
Like, I think he gets in.
He's a Hall of Fame talent, nodoubt.

SPEAKER_05 (24:23):
You may you may call me a hypocrite for this, though.
I I think he should get in.
I think we got I think we haveto uh re-evaluate what the
running back numbers are.
Just like for receivers andquarterbacks, we're gonna have
to bump some of these numbers upto be like the oh yeah, look at

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the stats.
Hall of Famer.
Yeah, I think we gotta drop themsome for the running backs.
And when you start thinkingabout who tells the story of
running backs of this era, it'syour Derrick Henry's, it's your
Christian McCaffrey's, you know,these are the guys who should uh
be in the Hall of Fame.
Anyway, sorry to cut you off.

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I just wanted to put it inthere.
Bark yeah, Saquon, if he can behealthy for a couple more
seasons.
So you think uh you're nottaking my bait on on this on
this little Saquon being the uhbest, not Saquon on Bijan being

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the best running back.
Uh but see if let me see if youcan take this bait here.
Uh now we're you know, we're sixweeks through into the season,
and we had we had Drake May havegreat showings the last couple
of weeks.
We got Michael Penix lookinggood, winning a big game in
prime time.
We had uh Caleb Williams lead agame, winning drive against

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Jaden Daniels against the numberthe number one and number two
picks.

SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
Three in a row, by the way, for the Bears.

unknown (25:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
After going to start.

SPEAKER_05 (26:01):
Yeah, so we got we've got these quarterbacks
playing well.
You got Bo Nicks out there doinghis thing uh for for Sean Payton
and the Denver Broncos, andobviously JJ McCarthy.
He's he he's he's on the rackstill hurt.
Who's leading who's who's top ofthe leaderboard of the 2024 uh
quarterback rankings?

SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
It's nobody on the top of the board, Lee.
And that's that's the it's ait's it's not even a trick
question.
It's a this is just astraightforward answer.
There is no answer.
There's not yet, at least.
It's to be determined.
That's the answer.
The reality of the situation isthis none of these guys have
played enough football.
Certainly, if you want to gobased on what we've seen, you're

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gonna say Jaden Daniels becausehe went to the NFC Championship
last year and won rookie of theyear.
So, like that would be theanswer, right?
But that's not the right answereither.
Because, again, RG3, he wonrookie of the year, right?
Yeah, he won rookie of the year,went to playoffs.
Now, granted, he got hurt, so Iguess that's what makes it just
a little different, but like hewent to rookie of the year, he

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sets the league on fire, neverplays again, never plays like
that ever again, right?
Um, and people were really like,man, I don't know if the Colts
and Andrew Luck had a goodrookie year, but like still
people were like, I don't know,like RD3 weren't any better than
Andrew Luck.
Hey, the best quarterback out ofthe class ended up being Russell
Wilson.

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Even crazier, right?
Right.
And and and all three of themmake it their rookie year.
But um yeah, we just gotta stopwith this microwave society that
we've got going.
And everybody just wants answersnow.
They want to be able to saysomething now, make a
proclamation.
Everybody wants to be right.
We don't ever want anything tostew anymore and just enjoy what

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we're seeing.
That these young guys aregetting off the good stars
because we are kind of used toseeing.
Certainly, it seems like there'sthe young guys, right, that are
now that you want to see, andthen there's the guys that were
written off, your Geno Smiths,your, and Gino, I mean, we can
write him off again, I guess,now, but your Geno's, your Sam
Darnold's, your Baker Mayfields,these guys that kind of got

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written off early in theircareers, and now they're the
redemption stores.
Now they're kind of theblueprint, Mac Jones, right now,
with what he's been doing in uhSan Francisco.
Another guy that might getanother chance next year,
because he went to that footballfactory in San Francisco that
we'll get to later because youknow we're gonna be getting to
them later on a Sunday nightfootball game.

SPEAKER_05 (28:31):
But um think about this parlay, Pete.
I think it it affectseverything.

SPEAKER_03 (28:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (28:39):
So you have you have a microwave media who's just
trying to generate stories.
Yeah, those stories then getback into organizations, which
now people are talking about it,the fans are talking about it,
the media is is talking, so wehave to care about it.
So now if you don't have a solidinfrastructure where you have

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buy-in from your fan base, youhave buy-in throughout your
building, this now createsproblems inside the building.
So instead of giving a coach hisfull five years on the contract
to build a team, after yearthree, if we don't like what we
see, he's fired.
Uh, we got Terry Glenn, 0-6, andwe're talking about is he on the

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hot seat?
Dog, he's six games through yearone.
I understand he doesn't have awin.
It's the Jets.
They suck.
Justin Fields is the startingquarterback.
He hasn't won a game as astarter when the opposing team
scores 21 points ever in hiscareer.

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Give Terry Glenn a chance to tobuild a culture, to develop some
players, to bring in the peoplehe wants, he needs, you know.
And so we have all of thismicrowave stuff, and we have
people calling for jobs.
You know, we have people saying,Oh, if the Ravens don't have a
great Uh, the Ravens don'tfigure it out this year.

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Do we fire Harbaugh?
Maybe.
I mean, he's been there for along time.
Maybe we fire Harbaugh.
I don't know.
I don't know if themunderachieving this year is the
reason to fire him.
You know, players are hurt.
Oh, should we fire SeanMcDermott?
Maybe.
Maybe we should.
I don't know.
But he's a top 10 coach in theleague.

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He's been running a top, what,five organization over the last
eight years or so?

SPEAKER_01 (30:30):
Who have been irrelevant forever?
Like two decades.

SPEAKER_05 (30:35):
Should we find Mike Tomlin is?
Should he be on the hot seat?
I saw something that put uh JimHarbaugh on the hot seat a week
ago.
Like, what are we doing?
Like, can we just takeeverything out of the microwave?
It takes time to build aculture, it takes time to build
a program.
You got to hire the rightpeople.
You got to have the right peoplein the right positions.

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You have to have your salary capright so that you can bring in
the right players at the rightprice to build the culture.
You're gonna get some people inthere, they're not gonna work.

SPEAKER_01 (31:04):
You're gonna want stofers, right?
When you buy stufers, if you itisn't good, but if when you buy
stofers, there's two sets ofdirections on the back microwave
this, oven that.
People don't want the quality ofstofers, the best served, the
way that it's best served.
They don't want it that way,they want it now because they're

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hungry now, and that's thereason they didn't go to
McDonald's and get that Big Mac.
Right because they wanted tosave, they wanted to save and go
to the grocery store.
So they want it now.
They're gonna put it in themicrowave.
They don't give a fuck if it'sgonna mess up the the quality of
what it is that they ended upordering or not.
They don't want that, they wantit now, they don't want it the
way it's supposed to be, whichis why if you let it sit in the

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oven, it cooks longer, and weget to see what the finished
product really is.

SPEAKER_04 (31:51):
But parlay Pete, the the you're right.
But here's what they they don'tunderstand building a football
program, building a business,building an album, whatever,
whatever it is that you wantsomebody to build.

SPEAKER_05 (32:08):
Yes, it's the three cheese Piné pasta.
But it's not the stofers in themicrowave.
That's not the best product.
It's it's really getting thefresh cheese, finding the right
noodles.
And you know, some people mightmake their noodles, some people
might buy their noodles.

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You understand what I'm saying?
Yeah, some people might maketheir sauce, some of us actually
are gonna uh might buy sauce,right?
You know, and and when you evenwhen you make the sauce, some
people may go all fresh to maketheir stuff, some people may use
some canned stuff to make theirsauce, right?
You know, some people may usesome frozen, you know, some

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people may get fresh meat, somepeople may get it from food
line, others may go to public'sor or or to the to the to the
butcher shop, right?
There's different ways to makeit, but I promise you, you want
to have a process that you canduplicate time in and time out
that may that takes a bit moretime so that you have a a

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longer-lasting product,something that is a higher
quality.
But if we keep trying tomicrowave everything, and I
blame the media, it starts withthe ad companies and the media.
And the leagues aren't gonnareject it because the media
deals makes them more money thananything else that they do.
Correct.

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But the the leagues fall victimfor one to their own greed, but
also to these media companiesand the way that they generate
they generate ads.
And I I support that structureto some degree.
Okay, pay me.
But uh you get all of this thatcreates disorder in an industry
and it creates crazyexpectations.
Like, people really out herelike free Garrett Wilson.

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I mean, maybe, but like, whatthe fuck has Garrett Wilson done
to deserve to be free?
He he just got a brand new coachthat's trying to turn around the
organization.

SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
And they paid him an ass ton of money.

SPEAKER_05 (34:06):
Yeah, like give him give him some time.
Oh, should we move off of CJStroud?
Because he hadn't looked goodsince that that shit with Caleb.
Have you looked at his offensiveline?
Have you looked at his receivingcourt injuries?
Have you looked at BakerMayfield?
Maybe if a guy shows you somepotential, you keep working with

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him and and you learn thatperson instead of starting over.
He got a new offensivecoordinator too this year.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:36):
Can they get some time to build some chemistry?
Like Philly.
He lost two of his top threereceivers from last year as
well.

SPEAKER_05 (34:45):
Philly, people are like, does Philly need to uh get
a new offensive coordinator?
The answer might be yes.

SPEAKER_04 (34:53):
But this guy just started calling plays and they
are a super bowl team, and theoffensive line isn't isn't fun
isn't as good as it once was,which means they can't run the
ball the way that they did toset up the passing game that
they used last year.
So now they're having to figureout how to build chemistry with
each other while also being theguy who has the least amount of

(35:17):
clout in the fucking room andcatch up these issues that you
didn't expect when you werebuilding the offense in the
offseason.
Can we get a man some time?

SPEAKER_05 (35:30):
Again, Philly's four and two.
I know we don't like what wesee, and I wouldn't put him at
the top of my power rankings,but don't you you think Philly
still has a chance to contendfor a Super Bowl if they figure
it out, right?

SPEAKER_01 (35:42):
Yeah, there's they're still talented enough to
do that.
And we saw last year they gotoff to a slow start to a degree.
They were two and two to startlast year, and then they ended
up not losing but one more gamein the regular season, which was
a game where Mariota started.
Um, Washington really needed towin that game.
It was like a lot of stuff.
That was the only game that theylost.

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And so, you know, I think thatit gets back to this microwave
society.
Everybody wants everything now,and we got a whole season to
play.
I mean, think about it.
We're what technically now, thiswill be about a third of the way
through the year, which is crazythat football is already we're
kind of burning through theseweeks.

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Um Thanksgiving's right aroundthe corner.
And we know that that's whenfootball season starts, right?
Right about Thanksgiving, we'regonna know who's legitimate,
who's not, who's potentiallygonna sell off some pieces
because when's that tradedeadline?
Week eight.
Oh shit.
Well, we're about two weeks awayfrom that, but not as relevant

(36:45):
as the NBA trade deadline.
But even though in recent yearsthe NFL trade line has been a
lot busier, so it just it itjust takes time.
It takes time.
We don't even know truly whatthe Falcons are just yet.
I think we know what ouridentity is, which is the plus.
We know what our identity is.
We play a brand of football now.
We're not just a team ofplayers, we actually have an

(37:06):
identity.
So these are the things that wecan talk about, and everybody is
not an overreaction to this isthe team, this is how the team
is gonna work.
Now, the real question is howmuch higher can that team go,
right?
And this Sunday, I think thatwe're gonna get a lot of
questions answered with that.
49ers will probably be healthy.
I we still don't know if BrockPurdy's gonna play, but it

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sounds like Kittle's gonna beback.
It sounds like uh Pearsall isgonna be back.
It sounds like Juan Jennings, Ithink Juan Jennings was back
this week, but like he'll be aweek healthier.
They're not happy with him,apparently.
Well, maybe they ship him out tothe Giants.
I know that that was the talk,right?
Him for Thibodeau.

SPEAKER_05 (37:46):
I just know he's they they weren't happy with him
because he wants a contract, hewants to get paid like decently,
and I don't know why, but likeand apparently he has cracked
ribs or broken ribs, then a highankle sprain and a low ankle
sprain.
And Trent Williams was like, weall dealing with injuries.

SPEAKER_01 (38:05):
Yeah, and that's why it'll be right for the taken for
us to go in there and give KyleShanahan everything that Atlanta
owes him, you know?
Yeah, um, and but it'll also bea good test for this team.
You're coming off the high ofwinning a game on Monday night,
so it's a short weektechnically.
You're going against awell-coached football team on
the road, and this game is gonnahave implications later on in

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the season, whether that be forwildcard seeding or potentially
division seeding.
We don't know.
But this game's gonna have someimpact on that.
And you do need to get kind ofget this one done.
But you win this game, and I'mnot trying to look ahead or
anything, but you kind of startfucking coasting after this
game.
You get the Dolphins, that is ateam that you should absolutely
beat at home.

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New England looks like a muchbetter matchup, but I still
think we're more talented thanthem.
Like, I think that we're betterthan them.
Uh, you get Carolina again, youknow what I mean?
So you get to exercise demons ona team that you had no business
losing to to begin with.
That's good.
Um yeah, and and and and andthen you get the Jets.
Like, these are the games thatare coming up.
So if you can get off to afour-and-two start here, now

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obviously we started six andthree last year, and it kind of
didn't mean anything, but likeyou can get off to this start
here.
This team is different from theteam last year.
Because we don't have to dealwith a Kirk Cousins shoulder and
Achilles injury, you know?
Yeah.
And you've got Albrecht on thedefense.
You've got you've gotpotentially maybe the defensive

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rookie of the year.
Xavier Watts?
Yeah, man.
I mean, he's making plays.
Look, Jesse Bates came out andsaid it's starting to get to the
point now where he said thatthey're gonna have to start
worrying about him more than me.
Like they're gonna target memore and avoid him.
He liked that out of his ownmouth.
I like that.

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Hey, hey, please attack JesseBates.
Yeah, and and Billy Bowman.
Shutting down all that slotshit, man.
And D Alpha.
Yeah, D.
Alpha's been playing well.

SPEAKER_05 (40:07):
I mean AJ Terrell's playing well, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
I I can't talk bad about my guy.

SPEAKER_02 (40:11):
Yeah.

unknown (40:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Number one rated defense in the NFL.
And you've got them on yourfantasy team, don't you?

SPEAKER_05 (40:17):
I I I I use them from time to time.

SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
Okay.
Just that they're a sash defensefor you.
Because you have you're notgonna drop them.

SPEAKER_05 (40:29):
You know, um we had a busy week last week.
Uh what else stuck out from youlast week?
Uh you know, the Chiefs, they,they, they had a nice showing on
on Sunday night football.
You know, it was just prime,prime Chris Collinsworth.
He was definitely in his bag,deep, deep, deep in his bag.
I I couldn't be more uhimpressed with how deep uh Chris

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was able to get into his bag uhuh calling that game on Sunday
night.
But uh Parlay Pete, the Chiefshave have won back-to-back
weeks.
They're a 500 football team.
They were at the top of the herdhierarchy this week uh via uh
the herd with uh Colin Cow herd.
Uh are the Chiefs back, man.

SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
Again, you're trying to bait me here.
They never left in reality.
Let's just keep it real.
They didn't leave to be to beback, but at the same time, like
Bill Parcel said, you are whatyour record says you are.
They're still a 500 footballteam.
They shouldn't be number one onanyone's power ranking,
regardless of who they have atquarterback, right?

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Who they have at head coach.
Doesn't matter to me.
Now it's interesting becauseRasheed Rice does come back this
week.
Yeah and by all indications,based on what the reports are
saying, they're you know notgonna ease him in slow.
They're saying no, he's gonna befull speed, and actually we
might overuse him.
So I know Rasheed Rice fantasyfootball owners out here are

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just thanking the heavensbecause he does need it.
That's something that they'relacking.
They're just lacking aconsistent uh wide receiver
option for Pat.
Um that that and then they can'trun the ball.
I mean, that's the that's thebiggest thing to me.
Chiefs can't run the ball, butPatrick Mahomes still leads them
in rushing, like they can't runthe ball.
So, in short, they never left.

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But the reality, so that's whythey're not bad, because they
never left.
But at the same time, they'vegot a lot of holes still on that
team, and they still play afirst place schedule.
They're three and three.
They got they got the they stillgot to play Denver twice.
And uh Denver is not about to bethis team that people are just
about to roll over.
That is, we are ranked numberone total defense, but that's

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the number one defense in theNFL.
It's this so um, you know, theChargers still have that win
over them already, too.
And yeah, I just I don't I don'tknow if they're back.
I mean, impressive win for sureover the lines, but that win
over the ratings doesn't look asimpressive anymore.

SPEAKER_05 (43:09):
Um it's not impressive at all.

SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
They get the Raiders this week, so that should be
should be easy work.
But um they've been known toplay them harder than anyone.
Now, granted, that was good toAntonio Pierce in the building
and he's no longer there, but uhI'm sure Pete will have
something to say, right?
You tell me, Pete.
I don't know.
Carol, that is, you know.

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Yeah, I I will have something tosay on that game a little later,
and if you stick around, you'llget to hear about it.

SPEAKER_05 (43:36):
But you know, I I just think they like you said,
they never left.
We don't know anything.
How about this?
Let's let's evaluate teams andlike six-game quadrants, you
know.
They play 17 games, so six, six,five, you know, they they that

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gets you that kind of tells youwho somebody is.
Uh ups and downs, highs andlows, matchups, what these teams
were when they're trying tofigure it out.
I don't think we should justmake week-to-week assumptions.
Which is why we don't dorankings on this fucking show.

SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
Exactly.
And and there's only two teamsto me that don't have incomplete
grades, as far as I'm concerned,if we were gonna even do that.
The only two teams to me thatdon't have the incomplete grades
are the Colts and the Bucs,because the Colts get an A for
what they've done, they haveturned into a team that nobody

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can overlook.
And I you shouldn't overlook anyteam in the NFL, but that is a
team, especially this week, theyget the Chargers.
They can go back to LA and umwrite the score for dropping
that game against the Rams.
Because think about it, they'rean A.D.
Mitchell drop ball, and uhJonathan Taylor had a big run at
the end where there was a wholethey're two costly just mistakes

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by the team away from reallybeing undefeated right now.
Um, and the chargers don'treally have fans.
I don't know how truly big theColts fan base is.
I don't think it's a lot ofhicks from uh well look, that's
what Larry Bird called himself,right?
The French lick hick orsomething from French Lick.
I don't know if there's a lot ofthem that live out in the LA
area or how well the Coltsreally travel.

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But, you know, that's an easyplace to take over stadium,
which real quick thing.
I am so proud of the Falcons,too, for not allowing the Bills
to take over that stadium.
Based on the national broadcast,yeah, there were Bills fans
there, of course, because theydo travel, but it didn't look
like they took over that stadiumto me.

SPEAKER_05 (45:46):
Hey, real quick though, you're talking about
Tampa not having an incompletegrade.
I still think part of Tampa isincomplete because they've won
all of these one-score games,which is which is great.

SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
You're doing what Kansas City did last year.

SPEAKER_05 (46:02):
Yes, but that also speaks to a team whose the
difference between them andtheir competition and their
actual record throughout theseason may be a little bit
different.
And that's a team that could beupset early in the playoffs, and
people go, how how did this teamwith all these wins lose in the
first round or lose in thesecond round?

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Is because they played everybodytight and the breaks didn't go
their way this game.

SPEAKER_01 (46:30):
That's true, but like I guess what makes it to
why I don't have them asincomplete is because they're
doing it and they're not theirteam isn't even complete and
they're doing it.
Like, I mean, you know thisbetter than anyone because you
know you drafted the Bucksoffense essentially.
No Bucky Irving the last twoweeks, no Mike Evans the last

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three weeks, Abuka goes down.
Godwin came in for one gamebasically, and then he was done.
I'm impressed with what they'redoing because it's next man up.
No, Tristan Wirst missed a lotof games already start the year,
their best offensive lineman,and they're still holding it
together.
Like, and they've played againstwhat I would consider good
teams, right?

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Like, I think we're a good team.
I think Seattle is a good team.
I think um San Francisco is agood team.
Like, they've beaten some prettygood teams.

SPEAKER_05 (47:20):
Yeah, like I no, don't get me wrong.
I think they are uh a reallygood team.
I think they're a top team inthe league right now, and their
only losses to Philly, who'sanother good team.
Yeah, you know, Parlay P, itreally you you hate to see
what's happening down there inTampa as a fantasy owner simply

(47:44):
because you knew you drafted theright talent.
The strategy was was spot on.
But the things you can't predictand just wipe out a season.

SPEAKER_01 (47:59):
Well, speak for yourself.
I think that you are the onlyperson that doesn't like what's
going on in Tampa.
I like it from both angles, as aFalcons fan and as a fantasy
owner.
Um, it's unfortunate, you know,that the West Division is just a
gauntlet of teams.
But, you know, when you're onthe tails of a guy, that's good

(48:20):
news.

SPEAKER_05 (48:22):
Uh, what else from uh from week six you want to
talk about?

SPEAKER_01 (48:26):
So the other another game that really stood out to
me, and I had to pull it up, itwas core, of course, it was
earlier in the week was theGiants kind of stuffing the
Eagles the way that they did.
Jackson Dart looked really good.
Cam Scatable looked really good.
I mean, remember, they're doingthis without Malik Neighbors and
Slayton, who basically was widereceiver too.
So the top two receiving optionsdon't play.

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Uh, you know, Lil JordanHumphreys is out here looking
like Randy Moss against anEagles secondary that's got a
lot of guys that they got um youknow last year that are in their
second year that thatoverachieved, I think, as
rookies for that team to, whichis why it propels them to win a
Super Bowl.
Um, yeah, I just I it it lookedlike to me, and another thing

(49:11):
that I took away from that game,just real quick, when Russ came
in to take those snaps, it isamazing just how like you almost
feel bad for Russ because it'ssuch a shame to see what the
first day I gained respect forhim was uh when the Falcons beat
them in the playoffs his rookieyear.

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Uh because I kind of thought hewas kind of overrated.
The fail marriage game.
It's like a lot of stuff thatyear.
And I was like, man, thatmotherfucker can ball.
And he continued to do so for 10straight years.
And just to see it go from thatto, I mean, people sucking their
teeth and fucking booing as soonas he steps on the field, he
throws one incomplete pass, andthe boobirds just let him have
it.
And it's just like you can seeit in his eyes.

(49:54):
It's like A ball's running intothe tent.
Yeah, well, the half the fuckingorganization is down there,
like, but yo, can we get him outhere right now?
Like, it's like at that point,Dave all just put James in.
Damn, like, just put James in.
Don't do this to Russ.
Russ, I don't think you can playyourself out of the hall thing.

(50:16):
That's just my opinion.
Because what he's accomplishedis what he's accomplished.
They want to make it seem likeRuss has just absolutely nothing
in the tank.
And and maybe he does.
I mean, shit, he threw a400-yard game earlier in the
year and a shootout with Dallas.

SPEAKER_05 (50:33):
He was skipping rocks Thursday on uh against uh
uh Philly, though.

SPEAKER_01 (50:38):
That's true, man.
I mean, it was one pass.
It was because nobody was there,but it's like I mean, he got
brought in, it was like a thirdand nine, like in the middle of
the field.
But I got a question.

SPEAKER_05 (50:53):
I got a question for you about that game.
Yeah.
You know, you you see uh JacksonDart be praised for his style of
swag, his confidence, uh CamScattable as well.
And you you see a quarterback upin Cleveland, which there's some

(51:14):
microwave talk I got for thattoo.
Who displayed some of that sametype of confidence, but he's
seen his cocky, arrogant, all ofthose things.
Do you think there do you thinkthere's a racial component in to
measure into covering playersthat allows certain players to
get away with similar behaviorsthat other players can't?

SPEAKER_01 (51:37):
In that situation, I'm gonna say no.
And the only reason I'm gonnasay no is because like I feel
like with those guys, you know,let's not act like those two
specifically A, they're rookies,right?
But B, they were like superaccomplished players in college.
Like Jackson Dark is almost likethe modern day version, but more

(52:04):
pro ready, of course, of likeAaron Murray, damn near.
Statistically, he did everythinghe could to win at Ole Miss.
I mean, they won 10 games, theyjust kept losing that important
game at the end of the seasonevery year, and it left them out
of the playoff picture.
Like, like to me, Ole Miss wasbetter than Tennessee last year.
In my opinion.
I thought that they were abetter football team than them.

SPEAKER_05 (52:25):
Yeah, like Nico left a lot on the bone.

SPEAKER_01 (52:29):
Yeah, and now he's stepping it up, which I guess
we'll get to college here soon.
But like um, but yeah, butJackson Dart was super talented,
and then Cam Scattable damn neartook over college football for
one football game because ofwhat he was doing to Texas,
right?
So it was a one-man show.
He threw a 30-yard touchdownpass, he caught one, he ran like
two.
He that was a one-man show.

SPEAKER_05 (52:50):
And if you go back and look at his his high school
history, like he went, he waskilling shit in high school, but
he had to go to Sack State andthen eventually got to Arizona
State.
I, you know, I asked a questionbecause I I'm not making the
accusation.
You know, I do think it happens.
Like, you know, Tom, like TomBrady can be psycho tom, but

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Terrell Owens can be teamobliterator.

SPEAKER_03 (53:13):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (53:13):
But both of them are just going crazy on the
sidelines, and we allow it fromsome, we don't allow it to
others.
But I also think that's such aneasy conversation to have to
where we can race bait just forclicks.
And even if it's part of theequation, this shit is way more
nuanced than that.

SPEAKER_01 (53:33):
You know, and that's why I said with them
specifically, I'm like, no, butand and then remember too, they
also play in New York.
So, like, there's that aspect ofit too.

SPEAKER_05 (53:42):
Because, you know, we I was I was I was watching
the Cleveland game uh Sunday,right?
And remember I was talking toyou about that.
And the people I was around,they were bruh, Dylan Gabriel,
trash, bro.
They gotta push the door in,man.
He can do this.
Maybe.
But how can you get a fullevaluation of a rookie who you

(54:03):
know is undersized?
So when he has to play a sp aspecific style, how do you
expect to get a truly a trueevaluation of this guy if you
don't instill confidence intohim to go out there and play?
And and and what if Shadur isn'tgood on the board?
What if Shadur is is a guy whodoesn't do well in practice?

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What if he's a gamer?
And just does stuff in the gamethat allows him to play, but
you're not gonna see that untilhe gets in the game.
What if he hasn't earned playingtime yet?
You know, he might he'm not hemight not be outworking him.
Or outperforming him.
Fuck out.
He he could be outworking thehell out of him, but it may not

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be outperformance.
Yeah.
If you got a guy who who'sperforming at a high level and
he can get his work in in fourhours, you're not gonna ask him
to stay at the facility for sixhours.

SPEAKER_01 (54:57):
You know, there's that, and then just think about
it too, the antics.
And I'm not trying to like honein on him for that, but three
just three separate things thathave happened within the last
three weeks with him.
One, the interview where he'snot saying anything.
Yeah, two, he gets interviewedin the fucking dealership, which
was random.
I mean, I can't I guess I can'tblame him.
I'm like, well, why is the mediainterviewing this nigga in the

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you saw that, right?
He's like at a dealership and hejust got asked a question about
Joe Flacco.
Weird.
And then three, you know, hisbrother is outside of the
stadium cosplaying him.
It's just, I don't know, it'sjust bringing and it's fun and
all.
I get it, it's cool.
Like, it is hilarious, I guess,but like it's a it's not helping

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his case to get on the field, iswhat I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 (55:42):
It's a few things working against him, right?
You have the fact that he is sofamous and gets so many clicks
that he gets way more mediaattention than somebody in his
position should get.
So there's just more cameras inhis face.
But because there's more camerasin his face and he has more

(56:03):
opportunities to make mistakesor do anything, he has to, in
order to appeal to the peoplethat he needs to appeal to,
right?
He has to carry it a certainway.
And the way he carries it runsit it it contradicts his
character, what he comes from,who he is.

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And part of that contradictionof him being unapologetically
who he is creates more problemsbecause people don't want their
quarterbacks to act that way.
And in order to act the way thatShadur typically acts, you have
to be really, really good andobviously better than everybody.
And Shadur hasn't proven that.

(56:47):
He's been good, but he hasn'tproven that he's so much better
than the competition that youjust have to put up with the
stuff.
And the bigger conversationshould be why do quarterbacks
have to act a certain way orproject a certain image.
And that's a different questionbecause Baker talked about, he
talked about it.
Yeah, I used to be immature.

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Now uh now I got a dog in me.
I got a dog, you know, I gotthat dog, or whatever.
He's like, I'm the same guy.
And so it just depends on whatyou're doing.
And that that's that's the Ithink that's the bigger
conversation around quarterbacksthat unf unfortunately hurts
Shador and needs to be louder inthe black community conversation

(57:28):
when we're saying Shador'sgetting fucked over.

SPEAKER_01 (57:32):
For sure.
And I agree with you, and Ithink that um, you know, the
biggest winner of the Shadorconversations who who's the real
big winner?

SPEAKER_05 (57:41):
Jimmy Haswan.

SPEAKER_01 (57:42):
No, Cam Ward, because nobody's fucking talking
about him still, and he'splaying fucking terrible
football, but nobody's eventalking about it.
You know, the coach gets firedthis week.
Um, and which did he have enoughtime really to set his culture?
He probably just wasn't a goodcoach, but like, did he have
enough time to really set hisculture?
He's two, two, two years andfive games in, and he got kind

(58:03):
of dealt a shitham himself inreality.
Uh lack of talented footballteam.
But nobody talks about Cam Wardbecause we do want to continue
to talk about Shador.
And now Jackson Dark, too, isthe beneficiary, right?
And and maybe that'll come uptowards the end of the season
when we get a complete look athim and totality.
What does the season look likefrom him?
To where then it'll be, then CamWard, it'll circle back to Cam

(58:25):
Ward and they'll say JacksonDart should have gone number
one.
Or Shador had more promise.

SPEAKER_05 (58:29):
Like Well, no, Cam Ward's gonna get saved by his
coach getting fired, andeverybody's already taking the
shit on uh Tennessee becausewhat they hired they hired a GM.
He lost the he lost the the GMwon the war uh with uh Vrabel.
He ends up firing Vrabel, and Iwant to say that that GM.

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He got fired.
And Vrabel's out here killingshit in in New England, so
they're gonna, and again,Vrabel's a media darling,
deservedly so, but he's a mediadarling, yeah.
And because of that, they'regoing to shit on Tennessee, big
up Vrabel, and give Cam Ward anout, which he may he probably

(59:15):
deserves the out, but he's alsonot play statistically uh
playing good football.
I I don't watch them enough, andI've seen plays you don't want
to.

SPEAKER_01 (59:27):
You know, you don't you don't want to.
I mean, it took Arizona, itArizona had to do everything
wrong to even give them the onewin that they do have.
And so um I I guess that I justlook at it from that perspective
that, you know, he's gettingsaved in a sense to where it
kind of wraps into what you'retalking about, too, when it
comes to the quarterbacks,because that's my point.

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He's not really getting talkedabout at all in that negative of
a light.
And again, they were they hadthe number one pick for a
reason, right?
It was an already it was alreadya team that just wasn't good.
But It's just interesting thatnobody's even speaking about him
in any manner.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:04):
Well, think about it, man.
He wasn't talked about muchgoing into the draft.
He's looking like Bryce Young.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:15):
Like the same arc.
I'm talking about the same arcin terms of Matt Rule got fired,
what, six, seven games intoBryce Young's rookie year?
Yeah.
Except he's on coach numberthree.
No, Matt Rule was not.
No, Matt Rule wasn't there withhim.
It was uh Frank Wright.
Frank Wright, yeah.
Damn, Carolina Demeran through alot of shit recently.

(01:00:36):
Um just yeah, I'm just thinkingabout it.
Like, whoa, man, they've had alot of stuff going on there.
I I know that three and threefor them feels like six and oh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:46):
I mean, have they been three and three since Cam
Newton left?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:49):
I don't think so.
I can't recall a competitivePanthers team since 2015.
Fair enough.
Uh actually, actually, they madethe playoffs the year after our
Super Bowl, too, becauseremember, all three of us made
it.
Yep.
So that was the last year, so2017.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:10):
Uh anything else stick out to you last week?
I mean, Dallas.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:15):
Off the top of my head, that's all I can think of
uh that was just notable, atleast to talk about.
Maybe um, you know, Green Baykind of, I don't know, kind of
almost blowing that game againstthe Bengals in a weird way.
But aside from that, nothing toonotable.

(01:01:35):
Chargers getting back on trackand moving the ball down the
field to win the game againstTua.
And then obviously Tua'scomments after the game were
pretty interesting.
Oh, yeah, let's talk about thatfor a second.
Yo, that they're ducked.
Dumpster fire.
Yeah.
That's what and that's why Isaid we get them next week.
You win this game.

(01:01:56):
Come on, you five and two.
I hate to look ahead like that.
You but you five and two.
We we gotta like everybody'sgotta go.
And they might they might flexthat Patriots Falcons game,
because you can start flexinggames by then.
They might flex that PatriotsFalcons game if we can win
against San Francisco, and thenyou beat the Dolphins because
you'll have a really compellingmatch of Drake Man, Michael

(01:02:18):
Penks.
Then we can really settle thescore on who's the quarterback,
right?
Like if that's I'm just saying,if that's what they want, they
could do it.
They could they could flex that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:28):
I don't know what the Sunday night game is that
week, but what do you think itwas like for Tua after he made
those comments talking about uhthere being a leadership issue
and players not showing up formeetings and player-only
meetings and stuff like that?
You know, airing out some stuffthat probably shouldn't be not
probably shouldn't be aired out,but also exposing himself as a

(01:02:52):
bad leader, not only becausehe's exposing it to the masses,
but because it's showing that hedoes not have his fingers on
that locker room in a way thathe can drive the team in a
positive direction.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:06):
Yeah, it just it felt like it was for one, not
something that you say callingyour guys out in the media after
a tough last minute loss atthat.
It's not like they got their asswhipped or something.
Like they lost in the lastsecond.
There's a game-winning fieldgoal that they lost on.
And to a team that's better thanthem, like regardless of
injuries on their end, theChargers are more talented

(01:03:27):
football team than those.
And so, not a good look.
Um, because you're not onlycalling out your teammates,
you're kind of calling out thecoach, too.
Really, is kind of what you did.
You threw everybody under thebus.
And this is during the same weekin which you say five
touchdowns, five interceptions,doesn't matter to me.
My daughter is gonna be happy tosee me when I walk through the

(01:03:47):
door.
Like, you know, that quotehappened earlier that week.
And so it's like, dude, you'regiving us mixed signals.
I would hate for him to be ourquarterback because that's the
type of shit that gets uh a fanriled up and calling into 92-9
the game and just taking a dumpon him and saying, let's just
get his ass out of here now.
Like, you know what I mean?

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And Tua always had kind of asympathy type thing with them
because of the concussions, andnow things aren't going well and
it ain't because of concussions.
And Miami's, they've just beenthrough it with quarterbacks,
right?
Since Dan Marino.
And so it's just kind of likefuck.
I I think two is that's not anattractive job, I don't think
anymore from the even from thetalent standpoint.

(01:04:31):
They have pieces, but it's notreally an attractive job.
It's attractive because ofFlorida's income, no income tax,
and then the idea that you'd beliving in Miami.
But outside of that, you're notin a division you want to be in
anymore.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:44):
Like, so but it's also not an attractive job
because of the style of footballthat works in Miami does not
work in your division.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:55):
Well, right.
And and the thing is is thatbecause you just paid Tua, you
kind of stuck with him maybe fora year or two, unless you take
the Sean Payton route and say,fuck it, just cut him, man.
We'll just debt, we'll eat thecap.
We got to get somebody else inhere.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:07):
I mean, uh, you know, and Tua, he he walked out
there as if, you know, nothing'sgonna happen to him.
You talk about five touchdowns,five interceptions, your
daughter's gonna love you.
Cool.
Your daughter's not paying youfive 55 large a year.
You know, then you throw yourteammates and your coach under
the bus, and it's like, hey, I'mgood.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:26):
And that's why he he he he's got the he's got the
cojones to do it because heknows that.
He knows that he's the onlyperson on that team that is
safe, no matter what.
Nobody else is hamstrung to themlike he is.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:40):
And I just think Tua should talk less.
You know, we used to never hearTua talk, but you know, he said
stuff about Cam Newton.
It's like, hey, Cam Newton was anumber one overall pick.
Uh he's also a nationalchampion, and uh he he he won a
Hydesman.
Like he was a better He won anMVP.
He was a play in the Super Bowl.

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Like he was a better, he was abetter prospect than you, but
he's all he also was a betterpro than you.
Like, hey, hey, hey, big dog,relax.
You know, he did the what mustbe the money thing uh after he
got paid last year.
You know, two should probablytalk less.
You know, Nick Saban wasprobably on to something by not
letting him, you know, talk tothe media too much at Bama.

(01:06:25):
You know, sometimes the parents,the strict parent, everybody's
like, oh man, so and so sostrict on their child.
I don't get it.
Then you watch their kid and yougo, Oh, oh, I get it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:38):
Get it.
But that that's way too muchtalk about the Miami dumpster
fire.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:44):
Well well, real quick, just fun question, real
quick, just and then we can endit with that.
What do you think of the idea oftrading Kyler Murray for Tua
straight up?
What what do you think of a deallike that?

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:56):
I don't think anybody's happy about it.
I mean, Kyler Murray, he's onthe rack again, or on the shelf,
whatever you want to say.
Uh two uh I I mean, I don't wanttwo on my roster.
I don't want either of them onmy roster.
Bro, you know, I don't like Idon't like small quarterbacks.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:14):
I don't like small athletes.
You know, I never feel like Ifeel like they both, if you
switch them out, they fit betterwith the rosters that they
currently have.
I mean, I think two would be amuch better vertical passing
threat with Marvin Harrison.
Um obviously the running backsituation there is gonna have to

(01:07:34):
eventually get cleaned up, butlike it just seems like it fits
him more to play there.
And then Kyler, with his speedand his improvisation type
skill, it probably would fit afaster Dolphins like offense
better.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:46):
And and Kyler has an arm that can that can that can
travel.
Like Kyler can throw thefootball, like he doesn't have a
noodle arm like two.
But I just think this is a topicthat does nothing for our show.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:57):
Yeah.
Let's move on.
Anything else in the NFL that wecare about?
Uh no.
I'm looking here at the prompt.
We pretty much we got everythingthere.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:08):
Anything we want to preview this week?
I mean, we talked uh Falcons, wetalked Falcons, uh 49ers.
That's the only game I I careabout.
Uh I just want that get back sexbecause uh I love to see the
49ers lose.
Uh I root against Kyle Shanahanevery time he takes a sideline
to coach in the NFL and he knowswhy.
And there's also a little extra,uh a little extra, you know,

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something to this because I havea feeling that somebody who's
very important to me is gonna bewearing the wrong uh colors.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:40):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:42):
And uh yeah, a Falcons win makes that that much
sweeter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:49):
As it should.
Just quick hits, uh, and then wecan move on.
Uh, a couple get back sex gamesthis week as well.
Patriots, Titans, obviouslyreeling after firing their
coach, and then you do get themedia, darling, that is Mike
Mirable to come back toNashville.
Uh they will be in the pick,they will be in the they will be
in the six pack later, guys.
Don't worry.
And I think everybody shouldknow exactly where I'm going

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with this.
Stats to cover.
Yeah.
And so there's that.
And then with the assumptionthat JJ McCarthy's not playing,
Carson Wentz gets hisopportunity against an Eagles
team that hasn't been playingwell.
They're at home.
I'm just saying, I think peopleneed to look out for that.
Like I he hasn't, because I hadto look it up.
He has not had a chance to playthe Eagles, and you know how

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that ended.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:34):
Think about that last game.
Fucking Percy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:39):
Yeah, it's Perse.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:41):
Yeah, it wasn't Nate Sudfield, right?
He's the other quarterback.
Especially Carson West was instreet clothes.
Yeah.
And he was he was a healthyscratch.
Last game of the year.
Um, aside from that, uh, we gotan interesting one in London.
Rams, Jaguars will kind of havepeople up at 9:30.
Uh, well, hell, we will be up,I'm sure, uh, here at the Casa

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watching it, I would imagine.
Because you're saying you'resaying Friday and Saturday, or
are you saying what are wedoing?
Friday and Saturday.
Okay, good.
So, yeah, so I'm sure we'll allbe up in time to watch a little
football in the morning.
Oh, I'll probably watch footballwith you Sunday, huh?
Yeah.
Well, and then we got Falcons49ers at night.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:23):
I mean, uh, yeah, I'll probably be staying Sunday
night too, then.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:26):
Yeah.
Um, and then Buck's Bucks lineswill be really good on Monday
night.
Even though they're injured,that'll still be a good game.
And then I think Texas Seahawksgot some legs.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:38):
I mean shout out to the Seahawks, man.
Shout out to Mike McDonald.
He's running a good, he'srunning a good organization up
there.
I like I root for them quietly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:46):
Did you know Mike McDonald is uh from Georgia?
He's a Georgia boy.
I didn't know that.
So he went to uh Centennial HighSchool and he went to UGA.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:56):
Oh, shout out to him.
Uh, you know, Adrian went toCentennial.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:00):
Really?
Yeah, I guess you said thatbecause he played with Flem
there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, he went to Centennial andhe graduated from UGA.
So yeah, shout out to uh MikeMcDonald being a true uh he's a
damn good dog and a Georgia boyat heart, and we support those
products here on this show.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:15):
Speaking of uh UGA, I I was working on my UGA
application today.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:20):
Yeah?

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:23):
What'd you what'd you think of the process so far?

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:27):
It's whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:29):
I mean was that what the rec was for?

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:33):
Uh no, that was for uh state.
Okay.
I got I got another I got amonth, uh I got a I got a month
for UGA.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:43):
Yeah, so we we we we we got time on that one.
Yeah.
Um I was thinking about it realquick.
And you know, like state's thenumber one.
But like if I get into UGA, it'sit's gonna be hard to say no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:00):
No, you have to.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:01):
Yeah, you you can't say no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:04):
Well, and you'd have a unique distinction of saying
you're a UTA, you're a UT and aUGA, and of course Morehouse,
but like I can I can like I canlike legitimize my UGA fandom,
but also it's just one of thebest media programs that like
you know, you just kind ofyou'll be going to class and

(01:12:26):
Ernie Johnson will come in tospeak with guys, you know what I
mean?
You know it's just it's just twoyears living in Athens in my
30s.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:37):
Uh could be worse.
It could be worse.
So I I don't think I don't thinkAthens is that fucking bad.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:47):
Like I don't think it is either.
Yeah.
You know, it's just uh it's justthat time when the kids there.
It's like, hey, we're in acollege town.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:00):
Well, there's that, but you know, at that point, you
become a UGA season ticketholder, more than likely.
Yeah.
Um probably start to get get inwith come with some of the
people there and start gettingin bed with them, huh?
Yeah.
Like from the media side, I'msaying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, no, no, that's whythat's why UGA would be the

(01:13:21):
play.
Yeah.
I feel like it would be easier astate just because like nobody
cares, right?
And it's in Atlanta, so thathelps too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:28):
But like Hugh Jackson's on the staff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:31):
Yeah.
That'd be my guy.
You know, they but with Hughtalking about getting paid to
lose games, he doesn't get howmany people he's he has to ask
his boys, boys for the info now,because Hugh Jackson will never
work in the NFL again.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:47):
No, but but but Hugh can can can can be a good
recommendation.
Fair.
Like if for for a group ofcoaches andor players, if if
it's like, oh, oh nah, you goodwith Hugh?
You sent you my way?
All right, no, that's my nigga.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:07):
Right.
Step right up.
That's basically what it wouldbe.
Uh, but you want to get intocollege?
Yeah, let's get into it.
Well, because while I'm sittinghere and we're looking at it, um
I was putting together my sixpack for that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:22):
But shout out to Kirby Smart, the biggest
gaslighter in uh the SEC.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:30):
I I like what Kirby's got going there.
Um, and I have for years,obviously since we hired him.
What are we clapping about?
That's what Kirby was doing.
Yeah.
Well, and then he got up on themedical table.
Took his shirt off.
Yeah, you know, um, I I don'tthink we could ask for a better

(01:14:54):
coach in the great state ofGeorgia.
One day, and I'm glad Rod's beendoing his job because we don't
have to talk about Ra being on ahot seat, but and I know Kirby
wouldn't lead.
I think Kirby is one of the fewguys that could transition to
the NFL.
Because he would be more of a,even though he's a defensive

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guy, he would be more of a CEOcoach, in my opinion.
Yeah, I don't think like hewould work in the schemes on
defense, but like he would notbe the defensive play caller.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:27):
No, I I just would worry about his ability to build
the right staff with enough timejust because he's not an NFL
guy, he's not in NFL circles.
Yeah, he has relationships.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:42):
He'd get tied to be his OC.
I mean, it would make sense,right?
Like, yeah.
And I mean, the personnelmatters too.
Who's who who is thisquarterback?
Like, who are they drafting?

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:53):
Or yeah.
Who's gonna be his GM?
You know, he he he does heprobably doesn't have his own GM
that he can bring whounderstands the style of
football he wants to play.
Uh uh Yeah.
But uh shout out to Georgia forbeating Auburn.
It was a nail biter.
Uh, but good football.
Shout out to uh my friends inAuburn who uh were afraid to

(01:16:16):
gamble with me.
Um but it's okay.
It's okay.
Who is uh who's afraid togamble?
You know, some questions don'tneed answers.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:28):
Okay, we'll leave it at just Auburn people.
Um yeah, James Franklin out thedoor uh after what year 11 or 12
there.
Yeah, I thought it was prettystupid.
Go ahead.
It's kind of overdue.
I mean, in reality, like and I Iguess it's odd because yes, last

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year's the first year they makethe playoffs, they're in the
final four.
Um, and honestly, he often isgetting compared, at least on
Twitter, like college footballfan forums and debates type
segues.
He gets compared to Mark Rick.
And somebody actually made areally good point that if there
were 14 playoffs when Mark Rickwas at UGA, Mark Rick would have

(01:17:13):
made a hell a lot of those inreality.
During that BCS era, they wouldhave been the three or the four
team a lot of times, right?
And so I don't even think it'sfair to even compare Mark Rick
anymore.
Yes, it's similar in totality interms of like they took those
programs as far as they could,but like I don't even think it

(01:17:34):
is fair because with JamesFranklin, it took him until it
was a 12-team playoff to make itto the playoffs.
Um, they never beat any top 10teams.
Oh, which was another thing.
Mark Rick beat top 10 teams,like he didn't always lose to
them.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:48):
Yeah, but it's uh yeah, but you're getting into
the details.
It's it's a fair comparisonbecause it's guys who are doing
well at a top program, butthey're but they're under, but
they're regularlyunderachieving.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:01):
And and that's a fair way to look at it.
I just guess I don't know.
I didn't think it was fair.
But I thought it was fair thathe got fired.
I think that uh that'sinexcusable losing the Oregon
loss.
Obviously, I think everybody wasdisappointed because it's just
like, damn, same old JamesFranklin.
Then you play UCLA, who I can'tthink that there was a
worse-looking power five teambefore that game, honestly.

(01:18:23):
Um, you get pieced up by them.
Then Northwestern comes intoyour house and houses you, and
you're out here tweeting, youknow, Go Penn State and stuff
like that, as opposed to justgetting your guys ready for the
game.
And then Drew Allard, who manycoming into the season thought
was a first-round pick, mostlikely may need to.
I don't even know if we'll seehow his E holds up, but he might

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need to fucking come back nextyear and play for somebody else
so that he can get his stock up.
Because at this point, why wouldI think that he wouldn't just
fall and be like how Quinn Ewerswas a seventh-round pick at this
point?
So kind of fucked up his careera little bit.
Penn State, I think, can stillobviously become something in
the future here.
It's not like the program isjust gonna be devoided of

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talent, but like, wow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:11):
So here's here's here's where I I just don't
think it was a great decision.
I understand wanting to get offof James Franklin, I understand
these three straight losses areinexcusable.
Uh and you gotta do something.
But what is Penn State football?

(01:19:32):
Like what is that footballoperation?

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:38):
Second tier Big Ten school.
Okay, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:42):
I mean What have they been consistently under
James Franklin?
Second tier Big Ten school.
I would say they've been a I'dsay the bottom of the first
tier, then exactly.
They've been at the bottom ofthe first of the first tier.
They have been who they are.
They've been the best version ofthey've been one of the best
versions of what Penn State canbe.

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They haven't won a natty, butwhen's the last time they won a
natty?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:08):
And and people, oh yeah, which is true, because
people overrate the idea thatJoe Pop, because of how long he
was there, they kind of confusedit.
He only won one nationalchampionship there.
He didn't win.
Same thing with a guy like BobbyBowden.
Bobby Bowden didn't win a ton offucking national championships
in Florida State.
They consistently 10-win, 11-winprogram, always in the Orange

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Bowl and stuff like that.
But these guys weren't winningnational championships.
Nick Saban is the onlymotherfucker that really doesn't
set this precedent of nah, youneed to fucking be winning that
shit every year.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:39):
Like so and my point exactly, and this is why you get
into your microwave society andand and people having these
expectations that aren't reallyaligned with who they are and
what their program is.
James Franklin has had PennState running like a well-oiled
machine.

(01:21:00):
A 10-win program, playing in topbowls, putting players in the
NFL, having number one picks,number two picks, pro bowlers,
uh, all of that stuff, packingout, packing out Happy Valley on
Saturday nights, whiteouts, allof this stuff.
That's what he's been doing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:22):
And in the old days with Joe Pye, you allow him to
continue doing that until hewins a natty.
In the old days with BobbyBowden, you allow him to do
that, then he then he wins hisnatty.
In the old days with SteveSpurrier, you allow him to do
that, he gets you somechampionships.
I'm not upset with you saying,hey, it's been 12 years, this

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isn't working.
But to fire him in the middle ofthe season when he finally made
the playoffs, when he gave you atop four finish, coming off of
his best year.
Yes, I understand that comingoff of the best year to go into
one of his worst seasons, butremember who you were when you
got him.
Remember the shit that herighted.

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Like he had to clean the programup after all the Sandusky stuff.
Your boy uh Bill O'Brien, he wasthere and gone in a hot second.
And I'm not saying that you owehim the job because he brought
you up.
No, no, no.
Because you paid him for that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:19):
Right.
And that's the point.
He's getting$50 million.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:22):
So I mean, yeah, but you saw some of the stipulations
and that shit.
But at the same time, this is ayou're not Ohio State.
Like the shit that you saidabout saving, that's not normal.
Yeah.
You win one, you should get tohang out for four or five years

(01:22:42):
unless it's a dumpster, likeback-to-back years of dumpster
fire.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:45):
Not unless you're coach O, is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:49):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:50):
Where you got this generational class of guys that
won.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:54):
Right.
And and maybe he lost the lockerroom, and it's like, hey, we got
to get off of this guy, and theearlier we get off of him, the
sooner we can get a new guy inhere.
And and now that we so so we cansave our recruit.
Cool, probably that's why youend up making the move.

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But that also goes to collegefootball and regulating the
schedule.
We've got to regulate theschedule so that you don't have
to fire your coach in the middleof the season simply because you
don't want to have a recruitingdisadvantage.
Like there should be a deadperiod.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:34):
And I think that with that to me, unless they can
get Urban Meyer, for instance,if if that's who they're gonna
target, unless they can getsomebody who's not currently
working, one way or another,they're not gonna, and and and I
guess they'll get to the 80sgonna get to look at everything

(01:23:55):
and examine it and look at well,who does this guy that we want
to hire from said school havecoming there?
Because we know that he'll getthem to flip to state for the
most part.
Our thought is that he'll beable to get them to flip.
So, what does it look like?
They're basically alreadyrecruiting for Penn State in a
weird way, right?
Like, kind of, because that'swhat guys do.
They take their guys, they bringtheir guys with them.
Signeti in Indiana, when he gotthe job there, he took everybody

(01:24:19):
that played for him at JamesMadison and they all basically
went to fucking Indiana.
And so, like, well I can seesomething similar here, which
obviously Matt Rule.
Now, now me knowing theconnection, and then after
seeing that interview, he neveronce said he was, he said he was
the coach at Nebraska, which hewasn't lying, he is.
He said he loved Penn State, hemet his wife there, he played

(01:24:41):
there.
Matt Rule is gonna be the nexthead coach of Penn State if it's
not Urban Meyer.
It's gonna be Matt.
Matt Rule's gonna lead Nebraskato go to Penn State.
Is Jimmy sex to Matt Rule'sagent?
And I think that in a weird way,that was a wink wink.
That was a blink your eyes if ifif if you're ready to come.

(01:25:04):
Maybe that's what she said.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:05):
Okay, but um not have a public agent.
Because you know, a lot of thesedeals are it's Jimmy Sexton
negotiating against JimmySexton.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:15):
Yeah, right now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:16):
Yeah, so he he gets to tell you he he gets to work
the clients for the clients.
Exactly.
That should that shit should beillegal, by the way.
It's a part of the game.

(01:25:36):
Uh but who do you think is afair, what candidates do you
think are legitimate, or who doyou think they should go after?

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:42):
I think Matt Rules knew they were gonna go after.
I really do.
I think that that's exactly whothey want.
If they should go after Herb.
If Herb wants to coach, becausenow the rumor was, I think I
sent it to you, was that Herbapparently did want the Penn
State job when it did open upinitially, that that was
something he was interested in.
Okay, and that they didn't giveit to him because they gave it

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to Bill O'Brien.
And so, or maybe it was JaniceFrank, one of the two.
I think it was Bill O'Brien.
Because this is like him when hewas getting off the couch to go
to Ohio State, which heeventually does, and that that
they didn't.
I don't even think they the waythat they said sound was like as
if they didn't even contact him,type of shit.
So I don't know if he has theitch to coach.

(01:26:28):
Herb is he looks like he'spretty comfortable on that fox
set, uh, I think and and maybehe's a Bill Cower, right?
Like, think about it.
For years, people used to belike, man, Bill Cower is gonna
come back out.
Bill Cower hasn't had anyfucking desire to coach in the
NFL anymore.
I don't think that's Herb.
I think Herb wants, but see, andthen the rumor that I sent you

(01:26:51):
to is just a rumor.
They said that the people atFlorida demand and that Napier
is gonna be as good as firedafter this week.
So if that comes true, doesFlorida circle those wheels
back?
Like, come on, Urb! Like,because you know that they'll
you know they'll pay him,they're gonna give him what he
wants.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:07):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:07):
The question is, does Ur want to go back to
Gainesville?

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:11):
Who does it no?
The real question is, does hiswife want to go back to
Gainesville?
It's a lot of dead bodies downthere, yeah.
And you know he's gonna get asteakhouse in the deal.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:21):
Steakhouse, uh well, everything that any other coach
has gotten since he's left thegame, he gets so just like Lynx
got the jet, he gets a jet.
Like Herbs, he damn near becomesthe AD himself, if we're being
real.
He becomes the fucking AD.
Herbs Taproom.

(01:27:42):
Yeah.
Well, well, think about it.
Uh uh Myers bar and grill.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:52):
Heavy on the grill.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:54):
Yeah.
And it'll be it'll be uh it'llbe uh scantily dressed women
that are college students.
And there will be pictures,nothing but pictures of Herb
with uh his staff takingpictures, looking boozed up and
shit.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:14):
Hey, dude, um you think Signetti goes uh uh
entertains Penn State?
Or if you were Signetti, wouldyou entertain Penn State?

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:27):
If the check is just right, you have to, right?
Like, I mean, and I know thatsometimes it's not just about
money, but like if the check'sthere, I don't see why you
wouldn't, because it istechnically a better school.
But at the same time, I thinkyou brought this up earlier this
week when we kind of spoke aboutit um a little bit.
There's no pressure on him inIndiana.

(01:28:48):
He he practically probably gotbelow Kirby Smart, he's got the
next best job security incollege football right now.
And he's making Indiana, Indianawill do everything in their
power to make sure he doesn'tleave.
So if that means you get to bethe coach for life, you get to
be the coach for life.
They're not even gonna win well,they actually have a chance to
win this year, but like hehasn't even won anything yet.

(01:29:10):
He just took him to theplayoffs, but like he hadn't won
anything, and he's gonna havethat type of job security
already there.
So and he's making eightmillion.
Yeah, right.
They did they extended him afterlast year, after even though it
was his first year, they'relike, you know what?
We didn't do that contractright.
Come here.
And then they just ripped it upand they're like, let's add more

(01:29:30):
to it.
Hey, did you see Kirby's buyout?
That's like a hundred million,yes.
Well, that's just it.
He's not, they're not gettingrid of him.
That and I think that that'sthem showing him like we
guarantee you're gonna be herebecause you're gonna earn,
you're gonna earn everythingthat we're giving you.
Because we don't, we don't haveany, we're not getting rid of
you.
Yeah, but not and Kirby lovesthat institution enough to not,

(01:29:53):
even when things maybe if thingsstart to get rougher, he's not
gonna full on tank.
Like, I'm not saying JamesFranklin full on tank.
I'm not saying that, but like,come on, man.
That lost the Northwestern.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:05):
James Franklin doesn't have to show his face in
Happy Valley again.
Kirby will always be tied toAthens, so it's a little bit
different.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:11):
Yeah, exactly.
And that's what I'm saying.
He can't he cares enough towhere he would never, even if he
knew he could get paid a lot tonot do anything, he wouldn't do
that to the school.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:22):
Uh so yeah, I was just, you know, I think it's a
good thing, a point that youbrought up that you stole from
me from our privateconversations that I was hoping
you were gonna like throw throwto me to make on uh here, you
know.
Uh that's what I was hoping.
So I could talk about how, youknow, I think Signeti should
stay in Indiana because I thinkthe the the goals should be able

(01:30:45):
of coaching should be goingsomewhere where you can win
games and compete for achampionship.
It's not always going to thebest program, having the best
facilities, it's going somewherewhere you can build your culture
that uh that works.
Uh and I think the players thathe has at Cincinnati, uh that

(01:31:05):
Cincinnati, at Indiana, he can'tnecessarily recruit at Penn
State and be okay and have adown season.
Because he taught like he had apiece talking about how he
doesn't really want stars.
You know, they they have adifferent path.
He wants guys who he can get inand develop.
He doesn't necessarily wantfive-star talents because there

(01:31:25):
is another thing that goes intodealing with them that is more
difficult.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:30):
And he's old school.
Yeah, he comes from that thatSaban tree.
And um, I mean, look at theirquarterback, Mendoza.
They got him from Cal.
This is a dude that was playinga Cal the last four years.
He comes in and now he's at thetop of people's draft boards,
right?
Like, so I think that he's ableto sell his program even better

(01:31:52):
with shit like that, too.
As opposed to Penn State, it's awe are Penn State.
But with Indiana, it's like,yeah, it's a Hoosier nation.
Them people are still gonna caremore about basketball.
As crazy as that sounds, they'regonna still care more about
basketball because it's abasketball school.
But at the same time, if he cancarve out this thing where
you're showing, hey, if you comehere, look at this.

(01:32:14):
I took a guy that went to Cal,he got his degree from Berkeley,
he came here for that fifthyear, had no intentions of
probably.
I mean, I'm sure he wanted tomaybe play in the pros, but
nobody, he wasn't on anybody'sradar.
Now we're talking about thisdude's gonna get his rookie
contract gonna be$45 million.
Like, and and and if he if hehits after four years in the
league, he's gonna be a$200million quarterback.

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So that's an easy way to sell aprogram to anyone.
It doesn't matter where you'reat.
And then in I'm sure inBloomington, ain't but so much
trouble you can get into.
You get to be the king of campusstill, but you're not gonna get
it's not like Athens, right?
Like it's not like any schoolthat's even relatively close to
any type of city.

(01:32:58):
Like, you can kind of it mightbe close to Indianapolis.
Let's see.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:05):
Bloomington to Indy.
You know, I said that likepeople go to Indianapolis Alpha.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:11):
Uh Mark Sanchez does.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:16):
But he was drunk.
I I mean yeah, you know, he wasattacked by those hoodlums out
there in uh in Indianapolis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:25):
All right, so Bloomington is oh, I guess okay,
yeah, it's about as close as Ididn't realize it was this
close.
It's uh 52 miles.
So it's about Georgia to yeah,Georgia to Atlanta.
Yeah.
But again, nobody's going toIndianapolis to hang out unless

(01:33:46):
you're Mark Sanchez uh gettingready to call a game.
He's the type of guy that goesout and gets drunk as fuck in
Indy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:54):
Uh, do we care about USClac?
No, we don't care about USCShellac and fucking Michigan.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:01):
We weren't really surprised by that anyways.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:03):
I just don't think we cared enough about it to pay
attention to it.
You want to talk some NBA now?

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:08):
Yeah, let's get into some quick previews of the NBA
season that starts Tuesday.
Isn't this the best time ofyear?

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:17):
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:19):
Getting into the groove of football season,
basketball starting backup,which we won't care about again
until Christmas slash the NBACup.
Um, and then we won't again notcare about till all-star break,
and then we won't care againuntil May.
That's kind of just howbasketball season works.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:45):
I mean, you and I'll care every week.
Because after February, we talkabout it every week.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:53):
Yeah, yeah, there's that.
And then um, you want to be in afantasy basketball league?
I mean, if you need one, yeah.
Joe, Joe wants uh we I won theleague last year, but like he's
uh putting it back together.
He's got like eight people, buthe really wants to get it to 10
or 12.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I'll I'll I I can I can dothat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:13):
Yeah.
Uh great for betting purposes,too.
Just throwing that out there.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:19):
Fair, but uh, we got some NBA stuff going on.
Uh, you want to start EastConference, West Conference?
Just any thought?

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:27):
I think we have to start West just because of uh
the recent news and uh all thepub that King James has been
getting.
Um, whether that be with hiswith his glute, his uh nerve
glute injury, uh him being onhis wife's podcast with Kai
Sanat and some other dude uhthat does like streaming or

(01:35:48):
something, and them talkingabout bitches and you know that
whole non- We have to start offwith the Western.
We have to start off with theLakers.
And and fit Luca, is he ready toyou know handle the team for the
first three months of the year?

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:03):
You know, I'm not worried about Luca being ready
for uh to handle the team.
I I'm not worried about the teamteam being a playoff team.
I just am concerned about LeBronnot building chemistry with Luca
and all the new pieces.
That's my concern.
Right because that LeBron Luca Ifeel like if you are a corner

(01:36:29):
guy, you need time playing withthem to understand what it looks
like, and you're not gonna get alot of that in practice, right?
Because if LeBron and Lucapractice, for real, who would a
second team is stopping them?

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:47):
But wasn't it eye-opening?
Did you hear Aiden's quote uhlike a week ago?
He was like, he hadn't gottenany time on the court with
LeBron or Luca, like at all,which didn't sound true because
I'm like, y'all haven'tpracticed at all, like even
though it's like y'all didn'tplay, like nothing.
Luca was doing Eurobasketing andLeBron was golfing, yeah, and

(01:37:08):
setting up you know hennesydeals.
If you let Steve tell it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:16):
We'll get to him later.
Are we gonna have like a weeklySteve segment?
Are we giving Steve what hewants by responding to his
nonsense?

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:29):
Um Yes and no.
I mean, you haven't posted anySteve clips.
No, no.
Yeah, so us talking about it, Idon't think I don't think we're
we're we're giving into it.
But he, I mean, it's he it is apart of the media, and and um

(01:37:49):
you know he's he's aninteresting guy to talk about
because of his takes.
Yeah, and and we want to be thecounter, we want to be we want
to be the balance.
And any isn't he the number oneguy in the industry?
Depends on who you ask.
He well, he is at thefour-letter network, and that's
the number one network.
I mean, Colin Cowherd, I think,probably is a more powerful name
in media, so is Bill Simmons,but like, which we'll get to him

(01:38:12):
later.
Render ringing in that doe.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:15):
Bro, and you know the crazy thing, though, Steve
was the late was the latestsuperstar to starting his own
thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:25):
With with the like pop the Stephen A.
Smith show or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:29):
Yeah.
Like, I mean, will we will wetake this show to Steven,
Stephen A's network if he if hewas interested?

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:38):
Absolutely, because we want to get our foot in the
door.
So yeah, I would, but like if itwas a bidding, if the if there
was other interests, I think, Imean, you still hear him out,
but the reality is it wouldn'tbe ideal because I don't think
we fit his type of media, butlike, you know, he's not it's

(01:39:02):
not to do this this color shit,but like, I mean, he is black,
so like that kind of issomething that you know, you
think about like I'm sure thaton Shark Tank, depending on what
it was, if you if it didn'tmatter what industry, there are
a lot of black people thatwanted to work with Damon Johns.
I would personally want to workwith Mark Cuban because I know
he's the most paid up there, butlike so I mean, and then I might

(01:39:24):
get invited to Mavericks gamesand shit.
So, like, yeah, I would want towork with Mark Cuban, but there
are people that maybe wanted towork with Damon Johns because he
was a black entrepreneur, andlike if it's a black company,
he's gonna know more of thatbarrier you're gonna have to
break and be able to get youinto the right people that are
gonna help with that, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:41):
Like, so like I I think for us to be most
comfortable, the conversationswould have to be.
I'm not trying to change y'all.
And I understand who I who Iportray myself as, and I
understand your criticisms of mecome from that not you genuinely
knowing me.

(01:40:02):
Right.
That would be one thing to startbecause I've said some
disparaging things about Steveand the way he carries himself
publicly, and I meant thosethings.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:10):
Yeah, and I don't think he'd like the idea that we
give Whitlock any type ofpraise.
We criticize Whitlock, yeah, butwe give him praise that he does
deserve because he does say someshit that's real.
Right.
And Steve wouldn't sign usbecause we kind of co-signed,
like, you know what?
The Whitlock story about collegebasketball makes an ass ton of

(01:40:31):
sense.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:32):
Like, but but even like with the Steve stuff we're
gonna talk about in a littlebit, I'm gonna give Steve his
kudos, but let's get back tothese Lakers.
Uh yeah, yeah, LeBron's notplaying.
I just yeah, I think it's a stabat the Lakers in the NBA because
LeBron's not happy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:48):
I I think so too.
And I didn't even realize, gosh,we got 20 minutes.
Um 19.
Oh, so let's push.
So yeah, we'll push through.
Spurs legit.
Is that a playoff team thisyear?
You think?
I mean, Wemby's a top fiveplayer according to every media
outlet.
Is that is that gonna be aplayoff team?
And if so, where do you kind ofsee them being?
Are they playing or are they sixseed, five seed type?

(01:41:11):
Because I don't think we thinkthat they're a top four team.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:14):
So no, I don't know what they are because uh I
haven't seen Wemby play a fullseason.
Yeah, Dylan Harper hasn't playedin the NBA.
Uh Swiper hasn't played a lotwith Wemby.
Uh we got to figure figure outthe coach, too.
Yeah, you gotta figure out a newcoach.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:32):
He's got his first full season as an NBA coach.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:34):
Like there's a lot to figure out over there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:37):
So play-in-ish.
You know, not an overreactionthat all three teams in Texas um
make the playoffs, though,right?
Dallas, Houston, and SanAntonio, they're all in.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:52):
Uh, probably.
I don't know.
I the West is so competitivebecause you got to think about
OKC.
You got to think about which isstill the team to beat.
You got Minnesota.
You got four teams inCalifornia.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:08):
Minnesota lost, though.
Alexander Walker's obviously aHawk.
When we'll get to the East,we'll talk play about the Hawks.
But like they lost, but theydidn't really add anyone.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:19):
Yeah, but they but they but the core kind of
remains the same.
You expect Rob Dillingham tostep up, and you got Bones
Highland Highland there too.
You you you've got somedifferent pieces that can add
some different dynamics to thatteam uh to help help them out.
But uh, but you got the four uhCalifornia teams, Lakers,
Clippers, the Warriors.

(01:42:40):
They're gonna be one of the besthalf-court teams in the league
league.
Half court.
And then the the Kings.
They've got a lot of guys thatcan score 20 points every night.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:54):
They got Brody now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:57):
They got Brody, they got Monk, they got Dennis
Schroeder, they got Zach Levine,they got Sabonis, they got D
Debo, bro.
Like they got a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:08):
We got a healthy Zion Williams in New Orleans,
too, by the way.
And Jordan Williams.
Looks like Zion at Duke.
And Jordan Poole.
That's not gonna be aninteresting league pass team, is
it?

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:28):
Uh I don't know.
It can be if Jordan Poole ismaking shots.
And Zion is dunking shit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:37):
Not an overreaction.
Memphis uh cooked.
Yeah, I don't think I think nota playoff team.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:45):
Barbecue.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:46):
Yeah, not a playoff team.
Um yeah, that's pretty much itin the West.
I'd like to, I think that so ifI have to just give a prediction
right now, I actually kind oflike the idea of it being
between these four teams in theend.
I don't think OKC repeats asgood as they were.
I just it's so hard to do whatthey did and do it like that
again.

(01:44:06):
I just don't think that that'sgonna happen.
I think it comes down to umClippers, Lakers, Warriors.
I'm gonna still throw Denver inthere.
I kind of liked them getting uhwhat's his face to replace
Michael Porter.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:25):
Cam Johnson.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:26):
Cam Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:27):
Yeah, I kind of like that fit a little bit more.
So, and now with uh not MikeMalone, who's the damn coach, um
uh Adleman son, with him beingthe guy there, I liked what he
kind of did at the end of theyear.
And I feel like as a youngercoach, I don't know, it seemed
like there was just more beliefin him.
There, of course, is gonna comedown to can Jamal Murray, you

(01:44:48):
know, stay healthy?
And then is Cam Johnson gonnagive them more than what they
were getting out of MichaelPorter?
I think the answer is gonna beyes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:56):
So yeah, so I'll if I if I did four teams, I would
go Denver.
I go Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:02):
Houston, though.
Fuck.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:04):
I go Denver, Minnesota, uh, OKC.
And then the other teams, Idon't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:11):
No Clippers?

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:13):
They're old.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:14):
I know, but gosh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:15):
They got it, and they got it, and they got that
dark cloud over them right now,too.
I I don't know.
I don't like, I don't, I don'tlike that.
The Lakers complete.
The Lakers, I just don't know.
Houston may be really good, butthey may not be that good
because they're super young andthey haven't played played a lot
of important basketball.
Uh, I think they're gonna begood.
It's not a prediction.
So it's just a lot up in the airfor me.

(01:45:36):
But uh, let's get to the East.
The sleepers of the East for meare the Hawks.
Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:42):
I think Hawks will be a 51 team.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:45):
Yeah, I think I think we're gonna compete for a
top three seed, and we're notgonna be taken seriously because
I'm already hearing it.
Uh, Detroit, uh Orlando, and I'mlike, yeah, okay.
But I'm looking forward to theEast because I think it's gonna
be interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:03):
I don't there's no favorite.
I mean, I guess Cleveland haskind of looked at as that, but
like, and that's mainly becausethey have everything intact and
they were the one seed lastyear.
But I don't know if they've gotenough to push through.
Evan Mobley really would have tobe a better player this year.
Like, he's gonna have to be a 20and 10 dude for me to put them
in that category.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:24):
Like 22, 23.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:26):
Yeah, he's gonna have to be all NBA second team
or better, in my opinion, forthem to really be the team.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:33):
I think Darius is gonna have to be the third
option.
Like, he's gonna have like EvanMobley's gonna have to play so
well that Darius Garland becomesthe de facto third option
because he's killing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:47):
Well, and then remember too, they got DeAndre
Hunter from us, who was havinghis best year as a Hawk.
And in hindsight, great trade bythe Hawks, honestly.
Like, I hate that they didn'tfeel like they didn't get a lot
for him, but like I like whatthe Hawks did.
They did the right thing bymoving him already and getting
that that money off the books.
Um, they got Lonzo Ball tooplaying backup point guard.

(01:47:11):
Solid get.
If he can stay healthy, solidget.
Um how about Toronto being maybethe best league pass team in the
East?
They're gonna be they're gonnabe frisky.
They got a lot of so muchtalent.
They got a lot of talent.
Quickly, BI.
Healthy BI.
That's an all-star player.

(01:47:31):
You know, he's a fresh, he'scertainly a fringe all-star
player.

SPEAKER_05 (01:47:34):
Like RJ, uh Jakapurtle.
Yaakka Purtle.
They got somebody else up theretoo.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:41):
Grady Dick in year two.

SPEAKER_05 (01:47:43):
They say he's grown two inches.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:45):
Yeah, I saw that that that uh that dick grew.
Yeah, I saw that.
It's good stuff.
It's good stuff.
Um, not much to expect out ofIndiana and Boston, right?
I mean I think Boston's gonna bepretty interesting.
I don't like Anthony Simonsthere.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:07):
I mean, that's just me.
I don't think I think Jalenaverages 30.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:14):
I see, see, so I was talking to Joe about this when
we were talking about fantasybasketball.
I see more of um Derek White notbeing a third, he's not gonna be
a 30 dude, but I could see DerekWhite being an all-star this
year.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:29):
Oh, so you're one of those people who have him as a
top 30 player in the league.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:33):
I can see him being an all-star this year, yeah.
I think that because he's gonnatake on more, and I feel like
he's gonna do he will do more.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:39):
So, like I I think he he operates way closer to his
ceiling on a regular basis thanpeople think.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:48):
And uh with more great, he's a really good
three-point shooter.
He's a great defender.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:54):
Like, yeah, he's gonna get way more attention.
Jason Tatum's not on the court.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:58):
That's true too, but but Jalen Brown still is the
alpha on the court, though.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:03):
Yeah, but Jalen Brown is just gonna put his head
down and go right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:06):
Their issue is gonna be that they don't have the
depth.
I mean, they lost Horford andthey lost Porzangus.
So, like, and obviously noTatum.
So it's like I just thinkholiday's gone too.
Like, I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:18):
I don't I'm not talking about wins.
I just think Jalen Brown isgonna just have the ball in his
hands.
He's gonna score 30 at night.
Uh, I think Benedict Matherin'splaying for a contract, and
they're not trying to win.
A lot of FGAs.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:36):
Well, what are your thoughts on Brooklyn and the
Michael Michael Porter Cam uhCam Thomas experience?

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:43):
Much much ado about nothing.
I think that now, I think youtalking about Jalen Brown.
I think Michael Porter gets tobe one of those guys that comes
out and he's not gonna average30 just because he's not
efficient enough.
But with it being his team, Icould see a 24-7 and like four
type stat line.
I can see that.

(01:50:04):
Or what?
Sis.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:06):
No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:08):
Well, with Cam Thomas on the floor, somebody's
got a playmake, man.
And I feel like he will be morepoint forward-ish.

unknown (01:50:15):
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:17):
Not at all.
You don't think at all?
No, he's not in the ball.
I know he doesn't really haveanyone to pass it to, but still.
He's he's not into passing theball.
Well, then let's make it 24-9then.
He's gotta get he's gotta getclose to almost a double-double.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:33):
Him and Cam Thomas are just gonna be uh alternating
ISOs.
Joe Sarney said, you know, whatwe're trying to do this year.
Y'all know what we're trying todo.
Um Charlotte.
Hey, are the Knicks championshipor bust?
Are they honestly championshipor bust?

(01:50:54):
It kind of feels like it thisyear.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:55):
This year specifically.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:56):
But but do you think that they've rushed the
championship or bust like bythem firing, by them firing uh
um uh damn, but Tibbs?
Because they were slowlybuilding to getting better,
getting better, adding a piecehere.
You know, this is gonna be theirfirst full offseason season with

(01:51:19):
with Cat, Mikhail Bridges.
Like the the firing of the coachtrigger triggers, hey, we need
to win it all this year, or atleast get to the finals.
But if they don't, I think theycan keep this team intact.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:35):
I don't think they need to shake up the core if
they don't make the finals.
See, I thought that it was moreof a stylistic approach, more
than anything, because he'srunning those guys into the
ground, and that was that's aconcern too, right?
Like, you know what I mean?
Like no offensive creativity,yeah.
So like I feel like that wasmore of why he was fired, but
like but that's not thenarrative.
But you don't know what the realissue is that did they really

(01:51:58):
upgrade?
And that's where I find theissue with the next.
I like Mike Brown, but like, ishe an upgrade?
I don't think he's an upgrade.

SPEAKER_05 (01:52:06):
I don't I don't think they need to upgrade, I
just think they need a change ofstyle.
Because you know, like, liketake out take out social
pressure.
The top Android and the topiPhone.
There's not really a difference,but there are some differences,

(01:52:28):
right?
And for some things it's moreit's better to have iPhones,
right?
For other things, it's Android'sgonna be better for you.
I don't know what the thosethings are because I I I don't
do Androids.

SPEAKER_02 (01:52:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:52:40):
But sometimes you just change over to that Android
and you're not changing overbecause you're really upgrading
your phone, you're not gettinglike the iPhone 17.
No, you're getting this droidgalaxy, whatever because you
just need some of these featuresthat it has that your iPhone
doesn't have.

(01:53:01):
The iPhone may be a betterphone, but you need these
features, and I think that'swhat they need.
They need it from a coach,somebody who was gonna change
the way that they playedbasketball so that when the game
got tight, it's not just JalenBronson beat the piss out of the
ball at the top of the key for22 seconds and then take a side
step three.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:22):
That's fair, and then just one more team.
Uh, because I guess, yeah, wegotta get ready to hurry up
here.
Philadelphia, what are they?
Philadelphia injured and bad.
Playoffs?
Maybe.
So not podcast P playoff P.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53:39):
I mean if they're if they're healthy, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:42):
Yeah, but Embiid's already Well, I'm just saying,
even with He's already damnnear, he's out and definitely
are.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53:48):
I'm saying if everybody else is healthy, I
still think like if Paul Georgecomes back, it can average 22.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:56):
PB and Maxi, you think that they can carry him to
500 until Embiid's back?

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:00):
Yeah, because that's damn near 50 points from two
people.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:03):
And they got Edge Comb too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:04):
Yeah, McCain.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:05):
But they lost Yavaselli because he's in New
York.
Good pickup Knicks.
Um, I don't know.
Uh, but what else we got?
How much time we got left?
Six minutes.
Uh, let's go to the picks.
All right, hold on one secondwhile we do that.
You can fill with Stephen A,though, real quick.

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:23):
All right, so while we're waiting to get to the
picks, I'll do a little fillingwith Stephen A.
Smith.
Stephen A.
Smith is under fire for his backand forth with Jasmine Crockett.
And I don't want to get into thedetails of it.

Here's what I want to say (01:54:34):
be careful who you listen to.
Uh follow the their contracts,follow the things that they say.
Uh, Stephen A.
Smith is a very hardworkingbroadcaster.
And being a very hardworkingbroadcaster, he speaks on a lot
of topics.
There's not enough time in theday to have a thorough

(01:54:58):
understanding of that manytopics when you're speaking
day-to-day and you're doing aday-to-day type of broadcasting.
So, not to say that Stephen A isuninformed, but understand that
there can be a lack of depth oncertain topics.
So consume that shit, uh,consume that shit with caution.
But the bigger picture thing Iwant to talk about is his

(01:55:19):
conversation around JasmineCrockett and people calling it
somewhat Tom Coonish behaviorand all of this stuff.
Jasmine Crockett handles herselfin a way that is uncomfortable
for me, honestly.
I don't like it.
I don't get out here and say sheshould carry herself with more
class or she should act likethis.

(01:55:39):
No.
But I can say that she comes offas an authentic black woman and
it feeds into stereotypes thatsome people resonate with.
I do resonate with those, butthey're also off-putting for a
crowd of people.
And I think that Stephen A, anda big thing that he talks about
is hey dog, don't be up here inthese white people's faces,

(01:56:01):
making them uncomfortable.
If you're truly trying to workwith them and get things done,
meet them where they are.
You can disagree with thatapproach.
I don't buy into it to the depththat he does.
I'm also not as successful.
But I think there's a balancebetween being authentically who
you are, but also presentingyourself in a manner that the

(01:56:22):
people who you're trying torelate to and have
communication, effectivecommunication with, will be open
to receiving you.
And if you are carrying yourselfin a way that's so authentically
you that it's off-putting topeople that you want to and need
to relate to or communicatewith, then you should adjust
that.
And I think that's what StephenA was going towards.

(01:56:42):
But uh, you let me know whenyou're ready.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:44):
I am ready to go.
Very well put, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 (01:56:47):
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
It is time for parlay peace!College football six.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:01):
All right, we're gonna take Morehouse on the
money line for homecoming, guys.
Uh, there's no odds for that.
That's kind of a joke, but weare gonna take the home team to
win.
Nonetheless, uh, let's start offwith the hometown team.
Georgia Tech at Duke.
I like Georgia Tech on themoneyline.
They're even money.
I don't know why they're dogsagainst Duke.
Georgia Tech moneyline.
Next, we got Memphis at UAB.
Just fired uh Dilfer.

(01:57:22):
Let's get Memphis uh by amillion, uh minus 20 and a half
for Memphis.
Next, we got LSU at Vanderbilt.
Loke over under, 46 and a half.
I like the over.
Next, old Dominion at JamesMadison.
James Madison, Signati Leedsstill humming.
Let's get James Madison on themoney line.
Then next, we got Florida Stateat Stanford.
We're gonna take Florida State16.5.

(01:57:44):
I like a little bounce backhere.
And then finally, Old Miss atGeorgia.
I like Old Miss plus 7.5.
You I don't know.
What'd you have, Florida Stateat?
Uh 16 and a half at Stanford.

SPEAKER_05 (01:57:57):
16 and a half, and you like Ole Miss at 9.5?

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:01):
Uh plus seven and a half.
Excuse me.
Oh.
Yeah, I know.
Isn't that kind of high?

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we've got tech on the moneyline, Memphis minus 20 and a
half.
Louis LSU at Vandy over 46 and ahalf.
JMU on the money line.
Florida State minus 16 and ahalf.
Ole Miss plus seven and a half.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:22):
There you go.
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is timefor Parlay Psale 6.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:37):
Um apologize real quick.
I'm fighting off hiccups.
All good.
We could hear it all throughout.
But nonetheless, let's getstarted.
So we got the Patriots at theTitans.
We talked about this earlier.
Hammer.
Patriots minus six and a half atthe Titans.
Next, we got the Eagles at theMinnesota Vikings.
I like over 43 and a half.
Odd number.
Next, we got Falcons at 49ers.

(01:58:59):
As well as the defenses havebeen playing.
I'm going to take the over here.
I think that we see points inthat game as well.
Over 46 and a half.
Next, we got the Detroit Lions.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers at theDetroit Lions.
We're going to take the DetroitLions minus 5.5.
Then next, we got the Giants atthe Broncos.
I like under 40 and a half.
And then finally, the Rock hascome back to Los Angeles.

(01:59:26):
We're going to take the Colts inthe upset at the Chargers on the
money line.

SPEAKER_05 (01:59:30):
All right.
So we got Pats minus 6.5.
Eagles and Vikings over 43.5.
Falcons and Niners over 46.5.
Excuse me.
Lions minus five and a half.
What's the next one?

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:42):
Giants at Broncos under 40 and a half.

SPEAKER_05 (01:59:45):
Giants at Broncos under 40 and a half.
And we got the Colts on themoney line.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:51):
That is correct.

SPEAKER_05 (01:59:52):
You like it?
I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:54):
And when you love it, that means it's time for
Leeds 3.
Lead three.
Three Lee's three.
Lee's three.

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:03):
All right.
So Belize three.
Oh, God.
Wow.
Ole Miss plus seven and a half.
Give me the Pats minus six and ahalf.
And give me that Giants atDenver under 40 and a half.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:18):
How much time?

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:19):
We went over, but that's okay.
There's nothing wrong with thelittle extra innings, a little
overtime.

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:26):
All right, man.
Great show, Parlay Pete.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:29):
Hey, as always, as always.
I guess we'll get ready to startto get to planning for our
homecoming week.
We didn't even get to get onthat topic either, but that's
okay.
I think we showed enough schoolpride here, right?

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:39):
Absolutely.
We'll have a great recap for youwhen we come back next week.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:43):
There you go.

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:44):
All right, doc.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:45):
All right, brother.
I'll catch you.

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:47):
Yep.

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