Mr. Blank, Tear Down This Wall, Make Atlanta Great Again

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SPEAKER_01 (00:35):
Golly, look at this rookie, not even ready.
Don't even got their headphoneson, all discombobulated, didn't
even have the music, didn't evenhave the right music cued up
ready to go to really give thispod the nice kickoff that it
deserves, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
You know, I didn't even look up and realize that
you had the countdown going.
Oh.
Yeah.
My bad.
No, no, no, no, no.
We're all good.
I know when you said ready, I'mlike, normally I'll hear like
the countdown music, and I'mlike, so I'm just like looking
at this score of this Toledogame.
But um, how we doing today?
I I'm doing great, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
And I know it's early, but it's our first
podcast of November.
So we gotta bring that big, bigScorpio energy to the pod today,
Parlay Pete.
You know, for starters, we gotthe real one.

(01:38):
Baby Lowe.
My daughter, Lorena J.
Lee, her birthday is tomorrow,November 6th.
Uh, shout out to her, she'll bethe big three.
Yeah, you know.
Baby Lowe turning three.
Then, you know, I got this haton right here.
And very rarely do I show myveteran pride.

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But I have a 250-yearanniversary of the Marine Corps
because this year our good oldUnited States Marine Corps to
turns 250 years old.
Uh an organization I spent 10years in, an organization that
my parents met each other in.
Uh, it allowed me to meet Cindy,create low, you know, it's and

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it's an organization that Iwouldn't be here without for
many reasons.
Uh, so shout out to the MarineCorps.
And then, you know, the lastimportant thing before
Thanksgiving.
You know, we got a real oneturning 34.
You know, it's my Chucky.

SPEAKER_04 (02:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
Let's see if we can run a bag up, because my Scott
Piffya was a Scott Piffya.

SPEAKER_04 (02:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Well, would you say that uh by far November is your
favorite time of the year?

SPEAKER_01 (02:56):
Uh, it has become my favorite time of the year.
I'm more of a Thanksgiving guythan a Christmas guy because I
enjoy the family being together,but I don't necessarily like
want or need gifts because formost of my life I've been able
to go to the store and get thethings I want when I want them
or be okay not having them.
Uh so don't really care aboutgifts.
And then my birthday's inNovember, but now and then when

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I was in the Marine Corps, yougot the ball every year in
November, which is a great time.
And now, honestly, mostimportantly, it's my daughter's
birthday.

SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Exactly.
And more and another importantaspect to the too is you know,
this is when football seasonstarts to heat up.
Yeah.
It's the end of college footballat the end of this month,
basically.
Well, the regular season atleast, it'll be over uh the day
after Thanksgiving.
Um you know whether or not yourteam is pretty much in or out in

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the NFL by the end of thismonth.
Yeah, big month in deep.
I mean, we already know now.
It's beginning of the month.
Yeah, well, we know, we know, weknow we're out.
Our team's out.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:02):
You know, it's uh, you know, it's if we're being
honest, man.
Nah, we're not even doing that.
It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 (04:11):
It's obvious what's being done out here.
It's on a nightly basis.
I hope the world can see nowwhat's really going on out here
because it's getting ridiculous.
It's really ridiculous.
Yes, man.
It's this is ridiculous, man.
Ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 (04:32):
You ready to get into this right now, ma'am?

SPEAKER_00 (04:35):
Yeah, there's nothing to rise up about.
I mean, I I don't evenunderstand what at this point
that can't be a slogan for usbecause that's not what we do.
We don't get up for games.
Um, we find a way to to to fallto the occasion.
We don't rise to it, we fall tothe occasion.

SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Um you know the Falcon Me after tongue and
groove on Friday night.
Just couldn't get up for theoccasion.

SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
Yeah, you know, just fell asleep at the wheel.

SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Yeah, you know, um, you know, you act like you're
gonna be here all night andparty and have a good time.

SPEAKER_04 (05:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
Well, when it's when when it really counts, when the
game is on the line and you'veleft the club, this nigga sleep.

SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
Yeah, no, and yeah, I wouldn't say you necessarily
missed out on it.
Well, there was actually quite afew things that kind of just
transpired.
As you saw when you woke up andhow we left, what happened.
There was a lot of like stuffgoing on.

SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
Well, I was just telling a story because in and I
know in the grand scheme ofthings, I didn't miss anything,
but when you think about like astory of Epic Night and kind of
the way that our night was, youknow, where we started the
night, how we got to where wewere going, where we were at
while we were there, kind of theenergy that came with that.
Then, you know, going back towhere we ended up staying at,

(06:06):
like it you when you do all ofthat stuff on the front end,
like the the way that you wantthe night to end is kind of how
it ended, and you should bewaiting for that to see where it
can go.

SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
Correct.
And uh, we don't fault you forthat, but I do fault the Falcons
for not closing out their day,night, whatever the game, the
correct way, because again, thekicker reared his ugly head, and
you know Josh Holmes' birds,man.
Well, and here's the thing I I Ijust feel as if obviously you

(06:45):
blame the loss on him becausewe'll never know what could have
happened if he just makes thekick.
But he also got off to a slowstart in the game.
Um, what about contained them inthe second half?
Like, I feel like they kind ofcontained him in the second
half.
Yeah, and so you know, it justit's just much ado about

(07:09):
nothing.
It was more of the same.
It's more of what we've beentalking about for weeks, more of
what we talked about last week,kind of after the Dolphins game.
Drake London comes out, he has ahat trick.
Um, you know, James Pierce getsa or well, both of our rookies
assist.
Jalen Jalen Walker gets the sackstrip, James Pierce recovers the
fumble.
He's kind of celebrating earlyfor whatever reason.

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I mean, it's okay we ended upscoring, but fella should have
got his first touchdown of hiscareer on that play.
But because he was likecelebrating, I know that he was
sticking the ball out to try andget it, but he's also like high
stepping a little.
It was just, I don't know.
That's how people fumble intothe end zone.

SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
And so he may have been trying to kick his legs up
for the guy running behind him,trying to clip at his ankles.
You know, but we also have anorganization ran by a hard R.
And when you got hard aurarunning the organization, you
know, you have hard aura energygoing down the entire

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organization, and that was somehard aura behavior.

SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
Yeah, and I just think that, you know, when's
enough gonna be enough?
Is is just my thing.
It never it really is a fuck youto the fans.
Like I can't explain it anybetter than than that.
It's a fuck you to the fans witheverything that they continue to
do week in and week out.
We're we're sitting at three orfive.

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Think about it.
Last year around this time, wewere five and three.
And we we ended up shitting thebed in the second half, and
maybe maybe that's what ends uphappening here.
Maybe we go the oppositedirection, right?
Because we ended up being sixand three.
We beat the Dallas Cowboys, wewere headed into New Orleans on
top of the world.
We were playing a batter NewOrleans team that just fired

(08:55):
their coach.
And the expectation was, oh man,they're gonna blow doors.
The Falcons look like they'reabout to coast to the division
title.
But in this case, with us, weare on the opposite end of that
spectrum.
We're three and five now, headedto Berlin to play a team that
coming into last week had thebest record in the NFL and still

(09:18):
does.
They're tied for the best recordin the NFL.
Oh, but by the way, they andthen by the way, they added an
all-pro uh cornerback to theirarsenal now.
And he's expected to play.

SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
And the big corner who actually matches up well
with Drake London.

SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Right.
And so um And they lost,remember, a pissed-off Colts
team that lost.
Right, and they're right,exactly.
They're coming off a loss in theworst game that they played all
season.
Daniel Jones had five turnovers.

SPEAKER_01 (09:46):
I mean, think about this.
They had six turnovers and theylost by a score.
I don't, bro, that's a goodfootball team.
I guess it against the divisionleading team currently.
Yeah, bro, like you you you turnover the ball six times and you
lose by a score.
You're a good football team.

SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
Yeah, and so we got to deal with that now.
Um, yeah, and it kind of goesinto the title of this podcast
this week.
Mr.
Blank, tear down this wall.
We need him to tear it down.
And maybe this weekend we'llwe'll get to see the implosion

(10:24):
literally in Berlin.
Because that's what it feelslike we're headed towards.

SPEAKER_01 (10:32):
Well, here's what it is.
Jeff Olbrick.
Nothing I say relates to you,your side of the ball, and the
operation you're running.
By no means are y'all perfect.
You know, we'd like for you togive up less than 24 points in a

(10:53):
game.
But when you give up 24 and youpretty much shut them down in
the second half, you get yourwhat five, six sacks, you get
two turnovers.
You've done your job, man.

SPEAKER_04 (11:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (11:05):
Gave the offense an opportunity to to win.
You should have scored adefensive touchdown, but you put
them on the doorstep.
So uh nothing I say uh itinvolves Jeff Albrick, but let's
start with Ra.
I'm gonna start on the fieldbecause everybody knows how we
feel about Rich.
And it's like beating a deadhorse, but two prop the problem
is this motherfucker won't die.

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He's still here.
And but let's start with Ra.
Zach Robinson is a terribleoffensive coordinator.
Raheem Morris.

SPEAKER_00 (11:41):
He's he's damn near competent.

SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
Raheem Morris, you wanted uh from by all accounts,
y'all were high on Michael Penixin LA.
So then when you get the Falconsjob, you really fall in love
with him.
You go get Kirk Cousins to beyour bridge quarterback to try
to get you some instant successbecause you see that you have uh
uh a roster that's close, someminor adjustments, Kirk should

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be able to get you there, yearone, year two, get Penix ready
for you know, moving forward.
Great idea.
But when Kirk Cousins fails, younow have to understand that you
no longer have a veteranquarterback, you have a rookie
quarterback.
A rookie quarterback who'sdifferent.

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One, he's left-handed, two, he'sathletic, but does not run.
That's important to know.
He's pretty much a pocket guy.
You know what?
You kind of need a coordinatorwho's been there before.
And granted, Ra, I know you'vebeen an assistant head coach, I
know you've been a head coachyears ago.

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You probably should have goneand got a defensive court uh
offensive coordinator who's beenin the league for a while,
former head coach to help youcoach.
But then when you got thisrookie, you got somebody who can
coach this rookie who's seenmultiple quarterbacks, who's

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called plays, who's who'sexecuted in multiple systems
with different types of playersso that we can make things easy.
Because one thing I've noticedfrom the Falcons' offense ain't
much easy.
It's B John in the flats, B.
John running the ball, DrakeLondon making a contested catch.

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But we don't have many playswhere people are wide to slap
open, where it's like, yo, Ilove what play calls that.
Like we don't have people beingschemed open.
But I blame Coach Morris forthis because he's the head man.
And as we see, like his fuckingankles, we're not buttoned up.

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I don't want to see my coach'sankles on the sideline.
I'm sorry.
I don't.
I like when coaches wore khakisor wore uh team polos.
Maybe you got a pullover on,maybe you've got um uh a sweater
vest, you know what I mean?
Like there is something aboutlooking like you're about

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business that gives off theimage that you are about
business.
But when you look like you'reout here to be fly and play and
look cool, that's how your teamlooks.
It doesn't look buttoned up.
And I know I sound like an oldfuck because none of that stuff
really should matter if you'reexecuting, but the problem is
you're not executing.
We got kickers missing fieldgoals.

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We're choosing to go for it onfourth down instead of taking
the points.
Guess what?
If you take those points in thefirst half when you had that
field goal where you didn't geta touchdown, you know what the
score is?
Instead of it being 23-24, it's25, uh, it's uh 26-24.
Holy shit.
You're up.

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They gotta they gotta go getthree.
It changes the game.
Take points.
Like we're good, we're probablygonna get into it in this
basketball stuff, but don't makesimple things difficult.
Everything doesn't need a uh auh formula in order for you to
get the answer.

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Sometimes one plus one equalstwo, and that's the answer.
If the Falcons don't have agreat offensive performance this
week, if we don't light up thescoreboard or if the all if we
don't play complimentaryfootball where the defense
actually contains JonathanTaylor, we keep them to

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somewhere between 17 and 24points, and we can't win the
game, you gotta go, Zach.
Now, if we light them up for 45points and lose, you know what,
Zach, you live to fight anotherday.
But no, man.
Zach's gotta go.
And I I hate to do this to CoachRa, but you got you got a few

(16:02):
games left, man.

SPEAKER_00 (16:03):
Yeah, and I I don't think that there's anything
positive that we can really takeaway from from what this season
has been.
We haven't seen any developmentin Kirk, I mean not in Michael
Penix.
And it gets back to what yousaid.
You didn't get somebody that hasa track record of doing these
things, somebody that's been inthe league, somebody that
develops quarterbacks.
You want to know what's going onaround us?

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Look at everybody in ourdivision, right?
Dave Canales.
Oh, he's got a track, he'sdeveloped a quarterback, or or
he's we've seen good work comeout of him working with the
quarterback.
That's why he got a headcoaching job.
Kellen Moore, oh man, we've seensome good work coming out of
Kellen Moore.
He's he's he's dealt withquarterbacks.
Um, I mean, Todd Bowles is alittle different, but they're

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the standard in the division, sowe're not even gonna bring them
up.

SPEAKER_01 (16:49):
Uh, but he's but he's bringing in coordinators,
whether it's Canales, Cohen, orwhoever the hell it is down
there.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
There's there's two guys that have worked with that
organization that are now headcoaches because they've
developed quarterbacks, and soyou just look around the league.
Everybody that got drafted thesame year as Michael Penix won a
football game on Sunday.
Guess who didn't?
Michael Penix didn't.
Everybody else did.
Yeah, of course, somebody wasgonna lose, but why did it have
to be us?
Why couldn't it have been DrakeMay that took the loss?

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Oh, because he's got JoshMcDaniels, a guy that's worked
with a lot of quarterbacks.
He's worked with the greatest ofthem all.

SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
Oh, and guess who else he has?
He has Mike Vrabel, a guy thatwe interviewed who would have
brought Josh McDaniels with him.
Holy shit!

SPEAKER_00 (17:32):
Or, ooh, let's look at let's look at Seattle, Mike
McDonald.
That's another guy that weinterviewed.
Wait a minute.
He knows defense, okay.
Okay, he hires Clint Kubiak fromthe Saints.
That shit looks like it'sfucking humming.
Oh, they see it.
But we didn't want him any.
We didn't want him.
He's six six and two.

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Okay, who else?
Hey, we didn't want Sam Donaldeither.
We we we got Desmond.
Yeah.
John, let's see, Jim Harbaugh,he's six and three.
I mean, he's got a proven trackrecord everywhere he's been.
Did we interview him?
Yeah, we interviewed him twice,too.
Okay.
So so essentially, everybodythat was in, oh, Ben Johnson.

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Could have got Ben Johnsonpossibly, if that's what you
really wanted.
Could have got big, big Ben.
Ben's out here, he's showingthat he knows how to develop, he
knows how to call plays andscheme for matchups.
Wow, what are they doing?
They're five and three.
Really?
You don't say, hmm.
Yeah, I just think that at thispoint, it's it's it's
frustrating to be a Falcons fan.

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It really, really is, and itdoes make you question do I
really need to continue to cheerfor this?
Because now we're going on, whatis this?
This would be year eight ornine?
Uh-oh.
Of not making the playoffs.
Eight.
This would be the eighthstraight year.
So this is the longest it'sbeen.
Last year made the longest ithad been.
We had the Falcons had nevergone more than six years without

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making the playoffs.
Now we're about to be on yeareight.
This is a bad footballorganization.
It's badly coached and it's notwell managed.
And the reality of the situationis, too, in a weird way, the
talent kind of underperforms attimes.
So you get that collection ofstuff going on, you're gonna end
up being a three-and-fivefootball team.
You know, you're gonna look likea team that uh is a Dr.

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Jekyll and Mr.
Hyatt.
You don't know who the fuck'sgonna show up next week because
you don't know what we're gonnado.

SPEAKER_01 (19:27):
And so guess who gets fired as well and may never
get another job again?
The GM.

SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
Because those guys don't typically get second jobs.

SPEAKER_01 (19:44):
I mean, TD hasn't got a second job, and he got a
team to a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Yeah, uh, and I think everybody really hated how
that capped stuff in.
Yeah, but a lot of bad contractsand it was, but we talked about
it last week.
And yeah, he was terrible.
He I'll say this much he waspretty bad when it came to later
rounds pick.
I mean, he never picked anyone,like we took Peter Kahns in the
second round.

SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
Who drafted uh Landman?

SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
That was a great pick.
I think he was undrafted andthey just signed him.
Was that was that Terry or T D?
That was I no, I think that wasunder Terry.
That was under the Arthur Smithregime.

SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
I mean, look at her.
Terry finds talent.
That's the point.
And he's put talent on thatfield.
He he he he drafted weapons, hefortified the offensive line
throughout the he didn't pickthe coach.
Well, I don't think he pickedthe coaching either.
He never he didn't pick a coachat all.
No, he he didn't, I know we knowhe didn't pick Arthur because

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remember, uh Arthur was hiredfirst.
Yeah, when they talked aboutwho's gonna make the uh who he
didn't pick Raheem either.

SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
Well, no, that wasn't his choice.
Well, we know who picked Raheem.
Now, Bill might have not beenhis choice either, but like that
wasn't his choice.
That was Rich's call.
Rich said, I want a guy thatwe've worked with before.

SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Well, well, well, you know, Rich.
We talk about this.
Rich wasn't Rich had no interestin Bill because Rich was really
gonna be working for the AtlantaUnited if Bill showed up.

SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
Wasted opportunities, and that's pretty
much what our team has come to.
We're just a wasted opportunity.
Um how can we turn this aroundthis year?
Win football games, winningcures all at the end of the day.
They've got a goldenopportunity.
If they can beat the Colts, yourschedule, at least on paper,

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sets up to be winnable.
You play the Jets, who arepretty much bowing out all
together this season.
Yep.
That's a team that you should beable to take advantage of in New
York.
Um, you got to play the Saintsstill twice.
That's another one and sevenfootball team.
And I I'll hold my breathbecause we've already lost to a
one football team this season.

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So, a one-win football team thisseason.
So I guess these aren't justslam duck wins, but it does set
up nicely for you to rebound ifyou can get this one, right?
Um the rebound really shouldhave been this past week.
But then again, you should havenever lost to the Dolphins to
where this would have been anokay loss in a sense of, well,

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with the way that they'replaying and the fact it was on
the road, it's an understandableloss.
Yeah, we don't get we don't getpoints for covering spreads,
which is what they did.
They did cover the spread, butthat doesn't show up in the win
column.

SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
So and when you drop games like the Carolina game and
you get blown out uh by theDolphins.

SPEAKER_00 (22:45):
That loss is starting to not look as bad,
though.
We know it's still a bad loss,not just because of how he lost,
but we're I still believe we'rewe're a better football team
than the Panthers.
But it doesn't, it doesn't looklike a bad loss anymore, Lee.

SPEAKER_01 (22:59):
I mean, it doesn't look like it, but we know what
it is, okay?
We we watched the game.
Okay.
I'm feeling it up now.
We outgame him and couldn't getinside the 20.
You know, Bryce Young wins gamesand doesn't, and he has like
running back games, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
You know.

SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
So I'm 20 attempts for 110 yards.

SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
I'm looking at this now, because at first I was
starting to draw a blank there.
I was like, well, I was like,hold on a second.
I was like, who do we play nextweek?
You get Carolina here.
Now, if you lose that game toIndianapolis, I guarantee you
that half that stadium is gonnabe wearing Carolina blue if we
lose this game on Sunday.
Probably.
Because at that point, we knowthe season's over.

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And the season ticket holderstops showing up.
Yeah, exactly, because nobodywants to see that bullshit.
But you get some revenge if youcan win this game this weekend.
You get some revenge onCarolina, you're back at 500,
and then you get the Saints andthe Jets.
You can turn it around, but youhave to win.
It's really simple.
There's nothing else I want tosee.
I don't want to see MichaelPenix develop and we lose.

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I don't want to see that.
I want to see him develop and wewin.
Win the football game.
Do what you need to do to winthe fucking football game.
You signed Zayn Gonzalez now asyour kicker.
He's got a better leg thanParker Romo.
There's no doubt about that.
But he's also somebody that Idon't know.

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It's uh there's a reason whyhe's not on a he wasn't on a
roster.
You know what I mean?
I know that he made agame-winning field goal for
Washington last year againstTampa, right?
So at least we we've seen, okay,in a pressure situation, he's
made kicks.
But there's still a reason whyhe wasn't back with them last
year, and they they brought inMatt Gay.
So it's like we'll see, we'llsee what ends up happening.

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But I don't have any faith inthis team.
I mean, my confidence is down toa one.
I don't I have none in them,seriously.
And that's pretty sad becauseanyone that knows me knows that
if there's anyone that will bedelusional about the Falcons, it
will be me.
I can't even be delusional aboutthis anymore because I know what
I'm seeing every week.
I don't have hope because everytime that you do get a little

(25:12):
bit of hope, you know, they'relike that chick that's like
blowing you off.
You know, you you you believethat you're you're gonna get
some ass out of this.
You're not looking tonecessarily get some ass, but
that's the belief that's beingdisplayed to you.
And you're walking away with ahand job at best.

SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
That's what you get.
And at this ripe old age, if ifa hand job is all I can get,
I'll take nothing.

SPEAKER_00 (25:37):
Right, and that's kind of where we're at as a as a
team.
There is no there is no moralvictories.

SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
No, because like the playoff drought has been so long
that optimism at the end of theseason, it's still pep, it's
still pessimism, because it'slike, how come we couldn't do
this all year?
Like, why did it take so long?
You know, and I and that putsthe Falcons in a tough spot
because I can understand movingoff of Coach Ra.

SPEAKER_04 (26:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:07):
Uh and and not even for the record, honestly, it's
for the football operationitself.
And uh but if if you move off ofCoach Ra, how many years are you
giving the next coach?
And are you gonna give himenough years?
And then do we turn into like ateam that becomes a turnstile of
coaches, and now it's gonna behard to get a good established

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coach, and we gotta hope we getit right with a first timer
because nobody is really gonnatake that job seriously.

SPEAKER_00 (26:36):
Well, the thing is, is this if you're getting rid of
Ra, you're out here, you'regoing big game hunting.
Like there is no if, ands, orbut uh buts about it.
Arthur knows that his time onthis earth isn't gonna be that
much fucking longer.
Now, that's just realisticness.
If it doesn't matter that he's abillionaire, whatever.
Well, he might be in a 80s.

SPEAKER_01 (26:58):
Hey, that Brady got that that that cloning
technology.
He he may, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 (27:03):
Yeah, I'm sure they still got Walt Disney somewhere
on ice, but this is this is whatI'm saying.
He's gotta go big game hunting.
That next head coach, whetherit's them actually hiring Bill
this time around, which I don'teven know if that is even the
right move.
Not now, I don't, not because ofwhat he's doing in Carolina
either.
I just don't think that that'sthe right move now at this point

(27:23):
because you've got to bring insomebody, you need to get the
next best.
I mean, I don't give a fuck ifyou gotta poach somebody.
You don't have a first-roundpick this year, which you know,
it is what it is.
Like, I'm understandable.
I didn't, I was not mad at thatmove when we made it, and I
think that James Pierce willultimately end up paying off to
where it doesn't really matter.
But that was an all-in move.

(27:45):
They put all our we pushed allthe chips in.
This this regime has put allthis chips in.
That's what that was.
That was a that was an all-inmove, and it's not paying off
right now.
The house is kicking our ass.
All right.
If somebody's gonna give youthat line of credit, you better
go get the most guaranteed shitthat you can get with that line
of credit.

(28:05):
I mean, but don't hire a fuckinglike like when they hire DQ, you
know, they'll hire these firmsto do these social.
Don't do that.
Don't do that, Arthur.
You call up the top fuckingfootball heads and you say, hey,
I mean, I don't give a shit.
Get bring in Bill Parcells.
Bring in Bill Cole to say, heyguys, I need you guys to help me

(28:26):
with this.
We need to get the best fuckingfootball coach possible.
Who are our options?
Who's realistic?
Is there anyone that we canpoach?
What are your thoughts on this?
He's the next up-and-comingcoordinator.
What's your thoughts on MikeMcCarthy?
I wouldn't be mad at that.
I'm okay with Mike McCarthy.
Okay.
I'd be I'd be I would be finewith that.
He's got a winning track record.
He's not just because he's won aSuper Bowl, he did well in

(28:48):
Dallas, too.
It wasn't really his fault.
I just feel like the Cowboys arethe Cowboys.

SPEAKER_01 (28:53):
And so it's like the the Cowboys are a consistent
playoff roster, but they're nota Super Bowl roster.

SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
No, they're not.

SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
Like, and just the way the team is constructed,
they're constructed to win 10games a year, but they're not,
even when they win 12 or 13games, they're not built to to
win Super Bowls.
They haven't been.
Um but with that, I don't thinkthat um, you know, and maybe
that takes us to this nextconversation.
But I I think Jerry's catchingway too much hell for um for his

(29:31):
moves this this season.
You know, he traded away MichaelParsons.
Then he trades for QuentinWilliams and a linebacker from
from one of the worst in theleague that, you know, cool.
Uh Jerry's catching a lot a lotof flack for that Quentin
Williams trade.

(29:52):
I I think it's a good tradebecause it's harder to find
good, solid interior defensivelinemen than it is to find good
ends.
And if you Can fortify themiddle of your defense, it
allows you to uh have lesserends who still get good
production because they can'trun the ball up the middle, and
you're forcing internalpressure.
If you force internal pressure,it makes your quarterback get

(30:15):
out of the pocket, and nowyou're open you're creating
sacks for those outside guys.
Now, one thing about Jerry Jonesis Jerry Jones knows talent.
Like there's no ands or butsabout it.
Jerry Jones knows talent, andJerry Jones is not afraid to
spend money on talent.
Now, where Jerry Jones fucks upis he fucks up extensions.
He he he he signs players late,he doesn't sign them early, he

(30:37):
sweats them out to the lastminute, and it usually gets bent
over.
But for all of those who are outhere upset with Jerry about
bringing in other defensiveplayers when he could have just
kept Micah, let's just thinkabout something.
Maybe Jerry didn't want Micah onhis roster.
I I get it.
All pro multiple time all progreat player.

(31:00):
Most teams would die to haveMicah Parsons on their roster.

SPEAKER_04 (31:03):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (31:04):
Well, you have you had the reports come out about
how players had an issue withhim as immaturity, the podcast
and stuff.
If you go back to Penn State,you know, he got caught up in
some stuff that we don't reallytalk about, but some signs of
immaturity.
I'm not saying he's immature forthe Penn State stuff because
he's a kid.

(31:24):
And you do dumb shit in thelocker room.
But if the players aren't inlove with Micah, and then the
owner feels like the playernegotiated in bad faith, even
though the owner was havingnegotiations that violated the
CBA.
But again, this is an old80-plus-year-old billionaire.

(31:44):
You you kind of don't tell himhow to spend his money, even if
there are rules, uh, SteveBallmer.
Um, but if Jerry says, I don'twant this guy on my team
anymore, I understand that he'svery productive and I need to
replace that production, but wecan't stop the run with or
without Micah.
So we need it, we need guys onthe interior line to help stop

(32:06):
the run as opposed to just apass rusher who's lighting the
ass and isn't great stopping therun.
Uh yeah.
Let's get this nigga up out ofhere and let's bring in some
guys who I want to be here, guyswho I want to pay.
And I think an owner is wellwithin his rights.
If he does not want to pay aplayer because some contract
negotiations fell out, tradehim.

(32:27):
And hey, Jerry, you got two ProBowlers out of the trade, and
what you still got an extradraft pick.

SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
And that's why they want that's why I don't
understand why people are upsetabout the trade.
I'm like, well, they got a firstround pick, and they got one pro
bowler who is like in his primeall-pro type player, and the
other one's a former pro bowlerthat is still a good player at
the end of the day.
And all you did was give up oneof those first-round picks that

(32:57):
you did get in that trade.
It made a lot of sense to me.
And I didn't look at it as yes,it can help them right now, but
I don't this move wasn't forright now.
And every any and everybody thatlooks at it should know that,
especially after the Arizonagame.

SPEAKER_01 (33:11):
Like, can we talk about that real quick though?
Like, I understand we live in amicrowave take world, right?

SPEAKER_04 (33:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
But since when was every move that an organization
makes a win-now move?
You know, like sometimes teamsdo make win-now moves because
they're close.
Or if you're like Dallas, yougo, hey, we have a playoff
offense.
Our defense sucks.
You know, let's make sometrades.
Maybe this helps us this year,but if not, it helps us moving

(33:44):
forward.
We understand what our capsituation is.
We're getting players who haveproven to be productive players
at the NFL level versus gettinga college kid who we don't know
who what he's gonna be, and itmay take that player two to
three years to get there.
But Dallas may look at competingnext year.

(34:04):
If they can share up thedefense, they'll compete next
year.
So I I just hate that everybodythinks that every move has to be
a right now move.
No, part of building a goodteam, even if you make in-season
trades, i.e.
the Lakers trading AD forgoddamn Luca, that was not a
today trade.
That trade may have, at the dayof that trade, may have set the

(34:28):
Lakers back in winning achampionship right now.
But long term, we understandwhere we're going and now we can
adjust how we're building thisteam.
Now Dallas goes into theoffseason saying, you know what,
we got our our in our our ourtackle, deep tackles stirred up.
We've brought in a linebackerwho we've who we've got half of

(34:48):
a season to see in our system tobe able to evaluate him to
decide what else we need.
We've got these corners out herewho can grab picks, but they
can't cover shit to save theirlives.
How do we recreate what DanQuinn had so that we can get
these picks?
And yeah, we're gonna give upbig plays, but we're gonna take
the ball away.
You understand what I'm saying?
Like, and shoddy is got theoffense rolling.

(35:11):
Yeah, they don't play greatevery week, but shoddy's got the
offense rolling.
So I I just think the people whoare wanting to overreact and say
it's a bad trade, you know, I'mnot talking about Josh Holsey
because he doesn't put his shitout there publicly.
He just says things that arebad, like, because he believes
it.
Why is an Eagles fan?
Well, he because he thinks thatHowie Rose, he he thinks he's

(35:34):
Howie Roseman.
You know, he takes on the lifeof his GM.
So if he doesn't think Howiewould make the move, he goes, oh
man, it's stupid.
Yeah, he scoffs at it.
You know, like, why would yougive up a first round pick and
you're not even gonna be andyou're not even gonna be good
this year?
Like, well, Josh, what ifQuentin Williams is better than
the person who's available atthat pick next year?

(35:55):
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
Have you ever thought that likea guy who's an all-pro is better
than a guy coming out of collegewho may or may not ever become
an all-pro?
You know, if I can have PatrickMahomes, I'm gonna keep Patrick,
I'm gonna get Patrick Mahomes.
I'm not gonna take a flyer onDylan Royola just because the
guy has some similar skills andhe's younger.

SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
Give me a commodity.
Yeah, I'm not I'm not gonnatrade everything in the world to
get Arch Manning because hislast name is Manning.

SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
Uh, you know, but uh, you know, the Jets also got
off of another good player.

SPEAKER_00 (36:31):
They did, and again, like we kind of spoke about a
little bit uh earlier, we get tosee him in action.
We get to to wake up early inthe morning, have a little
breakfast, and uh, you know,swallow what I hope is not a
what this would be our fourthstraight loss if we lose.

(36:55):
Yeah.
Because now they've got a whatmany consider probably the
second best corner in the NFL,or some would say at least.
Some would.
I think he's made two all prosalready.
So I mean he's up there, nodoubt.
He's not a DPOI, like the best,the the for sure best corner in
the NFL, but he's given up likeless than five touchdowns his

(37:17):
entire career.
Well, and it's it's hard to justgauge, it's still the jet.
I don't know, it's hard to justlook at that.

SPEAKER_01 (37:23):
Bro, yeah, he's a lockdown corner, and part of
being a lockdown corner is thestats don't always bear it out
because when you're reallylocked down, they don't throw
the ball at you.

SPEAKER_00 (37:37):
No, they don't look your way at all.

SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Like, let me tell you something.
In my flag football days, at onepoint, I was a lockdown corner,
right?
We didn't catch a lot of picks,we didn't break up a lot of
passes.
Because they didn't throw theball over there.

SPEAKER_00 (37:52):
Yeah, you were always there.

SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm here.

SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
Like, ooh, that looks like a bad decision.

SPEAKER_01 (37:59):
Oh, you know.
When I when I when I when I whenI dice you for two and three
tubs on the other side of theball, do you really want to
throw it over here?
I see what I do when I get thisthing in my hand.

unknown (38:11):
Pause.

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
He's just he's just he's a ball hawk.
Hot to a yeah, he's I mean he'sreally got a nose for that
thing.

SPEAKER_01 (38:21):
But um hey hey, when that skin's in the air, I'm
grabbing it.
Yeah, uh what Jalen Phillips tothe Eagles?

SPEAKER_00 (38:31):
Yeah, I I mean, I guess a solid move for them.
I mean, they lost a lot on thatdefense.
They still are, you know, whatthey were six and two going into
their bye.

SPEAKER_01 (38:42):
Um they're not a good they're not good this year.
This is like two years ago.

SPEAKER_00 (38:48):
Yeah, and we'll get into it, yeah.
Right, when they lost to Tampain that that first round game,
and that we'll get into it oncethat we get to the picks, but
obviously, I've got a surprisefor that game.
Uh, maybe I'm giving it awayright now.
Um, yeah, it just I they don'tmove the needle.
They don't uh like last yearthey were pretty dominant.
It felt like they were dominant.

(39:08):
It looked different.
Yeah, they were dominant.
They were dominant running theball, and they were dominant,
you know, on defense.
Yeah, they played complimentaryfootball.
Literally, that's literally whatthe Eagles were last year.
The best example of whatcomplimentary football should
look like.

SPEAKER_01 (39:23):
And so one of the better one of the better teams
both sides of the ball that likeI've watched in a while last
year.
Like, yeah, they're not gonna godown as one of the best teams of
all time because they don't havea lot of like the showy stats
that make it look good.
But when you just think aboutjust good, solid football teams
that line up every fucking downand just play good football.

(39:45):
Uh, those are one of the betterteams I've seen in a while.

SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
Yeah, yeah.
And um, yeah, so I mean thatmove for them.
We'll see what it does, right?
Like, I don't think that that'sanything that's putting them
over the top to be a favorite inthe NFC.
Like, some people still havethem as a favorite.
I don't like I don't think thatthey're gonna win their division
by kind of by default in a weirdway.

SPEAKER_02 (40:10):
Yeah.
Right?

SPEAKER_00 (40:11):
Because Dallas kind of missed their opportunity um
to at least kind of stay alittle bit in it.
But now they're kind of becausethe Giants aren't gonna win
enough games.
Um, and the commanders, I mean,honestly, of their season's over
too.
So it's like anyone that'swatched Marcus Mariota play
football knows that he's notcapable of winning a lot of
football games.

(40:32):
That's why he hasn't done ityet.

SPEAKER_01 (40:33):
And so um, yeah, I I guess I like that move for them
to just sure up pass rush, butare you mad at DQ for keeping uh
Jalen and uh Jaden in the game?

SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
I think that he shouldn't have, and it's not
because of what happened, butit's because like that is why
you take him out, literally forthat reason.
Um and he knew that, like heknew better than that.
He knew that game was over.
That was literally the worstpossible case scenario that
could kind of happen in asituation like that.
Now, luckily for him, it wasjust a dislocated elbow, right?

(41:09):
So it wasn't like um non-throwshot.
Yeah, and it wasn't like he torehis ACL to where, oh man, he's
you know, he could miss timenext year for that.
Like, so there's a chance he'llcome back this year.
I will probably just keep him onice because the season's gonna
be over.
But um yeah, not a good move byDQ.

SPEAKER_01 (41:28):
No, I I don't like it, but I also don't like that
we're playing the result becauseif we take him at his word, he
said, hey, this was the lastdrive.
I was trying to get somepositive momentum, get a good
drive with the starters before Ipulled him.
And I mean, it's football, dog.
At the end of the day, it'sfootball.
And sometimes when you playfootball, people get hurt.

SPEAKER_00 (41:52):
Shit happens.

SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
Yeah, shit happens, and you can't pick the play.
Like Bill Belichick used to say,if I know the play that a player
was gonna get hurt, I'll pullhim out the play before.
You know, and it sounds sosimple, but it's kind of
necessary to say because you yougot coaches getting beat up.
Like you got Jay Gruden on thearena talking about it, you

(42:15):
know, doing it.

SPEAKER_00 (42:16):
What did he say?
What did Jay say?

SPEAKER_01 (42:20):
Jay was he he played some of the blame on Jaden.
He played some of the blame onCliff.
He's like, hey man, you know,pretty much football players
play, but like you can't, he waslike, he he read it wrong.
It should have been a gift.
And you gotta understand in thissituation, in the game that you
can't win, Jayden, you don't runthe ball.

(42:42):
Like, yeah, it was a scramble,but like in this game, you don't
run, you get rid of the ball,you go to the sideline because
uh whatever yards you're gonnaget, uh it doesn't change
anything.
But he was like, he's a footballplayer, so that's what he's
gonna do given the opportunityto play football.
So you have to you have toprotect him from himself.

(43:05):
So it was it wasn't badanalysis.
It just Jay Gruden sounds likeJohn Gruden, he's just such a
dick.
He's his brother, hispresentation is just so dicky.

SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
Oh, as a matter of fact, yeah, it's it's like uh
all right, man, like you didn'tget a second job.
I'm gonna start tuning into thearena more, and and I feel like
because that's the organizationhe worked with, too.
Of course, he's gonna have areal type of opinion on it, even
though it's different ownershipand everything now.

SPEAKER_01 (43:37):
And they made the RG3 comparisons, and he was
being nice about RG3.
Yeah, he was like Jaden JadenDaniels and RG3 are they're not
the same person.
He's not though.
Well, yeah, but he though youknow why he was saying it,
because of what we've heardabout RG3.

SPEAKER_04 (43:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:58):
Uh you know, for one, he's a cornball brother,
he's not like us.
Where Jaden Daniels is a nigga.

SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
A nigga that you think should be now that he's
injured, somebody else isinjured.
They should be getting somestuff done.

SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
But um Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I don't
know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 (44:19):
I know what I'm talking about, and so do you.
You don't have to, we don't haveto tell the viewers what we're
talking about, but uh anyonethat follows this stuff, they
they kind of get the hint there.

SPEAKER_01 (44:29):
I take offense to that because that was said in
confidence, and I even thoughtabout airing you out on the
Detroit mayor today, and I said,you know what, I'm gonna be a
good guy.
I'm not even gonna bring that upon the show, but I feel
attacked, so I you know, youknow what you said.

SPEAKER_00 (44:43):
We'll get to culture hour.
You can bring up anything youwant from a political
standpoint.
I didn't say anything wrong, Isaid something that made sense,
actually.
Um, I mean you did what you saidmade sense.
It makes sense.
Maybe not right this second.
I mean, I was saying itprobably, you know, pump the
brakes, wait until she gets thatsecond contract.
But uh anywho, uh yeah.

(45:07):
Seattle looked great in thatgame, though, by the way.
Uh, that looks like a team whichthey were ranked number one in
the NFL's power rankings, theywere rated the number one team,
they look fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 (45:17):
Uh they gotta be correct.

SPEAKER_00 (45:19):
Yeah, man.
Clint Kubiak, we'll see you nextyear because that's what it's
looking like.
It's looking like we're gonnaprobably hire you.
That is what it's looking like.
Because we're gonna have to goget an offensive core uh
offensive minded head coach.
And you know, the thing lookedgood for like two weeks last
year.
He was running that show too.

SPEAKER_01 (45:38):
Hey, but guess who else we can have as like a uh a
secret coach that's not on thepayroll, kind of like San
Francisco has.
Who's that?
Oh, Gary Kubiak.
Yeah, you know, that guy cancoach a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (45:54):
He's got himself the Super Bowl, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_01 (45:56):
He does.
Yeah, you know, and he'sbasically I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (46:02):
Yeah, he's a Shanahan.
I mean, at this point.

SPEAKER_01 (46:05):
He was a backup for John Elway.
And then he coached.

SPEAKER_00 (46:10):
He hired Kyle as his OC Texans, yeah.
And Matt Shaw put up greatnumbers, and he has no mobility.

SPEAKER_01 (46:18):
And the last time we had a Shanahan offense in
Atlanta, we had an MVP.

SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
We had an MVP, we went to a Super Bowl, should
have won a Super Bowl.
I'm just saying, you know,Clint.

SPEAKER_01 (46:31):
Seattle's not mad.
Your wife, your wife loves SandySprings.
Yeah.
Or even if you want to livecloser to the facility, you can
go to Gwinnett County.
Y'all love it up there.

SPEAKER_04 (46:44):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:46):
But that's just wishful thinking.

SPEAKER_01 (46:47):
Um, yeah, but hey, Seattle, Seattle's the real
deal.
Uh, Mike McDonald's the realdeal.

SPEAKER_00 (46:54):
And Sam Darnold is Oh, JSN is the best.
I I and I really don't want tooverreact.
And maybe it's because he's onmy fantasy team, which we'll get
to that later, since we've got abig showdown here, guys.
It's the Washington winningbowl.

SPEAKER_01 (47:09):
Hey, now go ahead and go ahead and say your your
your crazy comment, man.
I I want you on the camera.
I don't even want to be on thecamera when you say that.
What was what was the crazycomment that I made?
You're you're about to saysomebody's the best receiver in
the league, and I don't want tobe associated with that.
So I just want you to say thatand I'll rejoin you.

SPEAKER_00 (47:26):
JSN is having the best season of any wide receiver
in the NFL.
I don't think it's crazy tothink that maybe he is the best
receiver in the league.
We're getting to see him as aone for the first time, and
those numbers are eye-popping.
I mean, he's on pace right nowto break Jerry Rice's, uh not
Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson'srecord for yards in a season.

(47:47):
Now, granted, of course, extragame now, but I mean, he's
looked great.
I mean, every week, eight, ninecatches over a hundred yards.
He might score.
He didn't have to score lastweek because, you know, the
attention that he's given isgiving everybody else an
opportunity.
Sam Darnold threw a touchdown onlike three or four different
dudes.
So, and and he wasn't one ofthem.

(48:07):
So it's like, I don't know.
I don't know.
You know, they're winning.
Uh, Cooper Cup has kind of beena shell of himself.
Obviously, they go out and getRasheed Shaheed.
We didn't even bring him up inthe trade talk, but he's a nice
little deep threat to add tothat team.
I like what Seattle's got going.
I mean, think about that.
We gotta run into them too lateron this year.
They'll be back uh here as theywere last year.

(48:28):
But um gotta be ugly.
Yeah, it could be.
Could get could get real ugly,actually.
I mean, ugly.
And especially depending on whathappens uh on Sunday, it could
get real fucking ugly.

SPEAKER_01 (48:46):
Uh any Lamar looked good last week.
Lost to Josh Allen in theregular season, it doesn't mean
anything.
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:57):
Much ado about nothing.
Just more same old thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 (49:02):
Yeah, is there anything else that really
matters?

SPEAKER_00 (49:07):
Uh hold on, I'm looking at the schedule.
Uh peacock.
No, not nothing that just popsout.
You know, obviously the BearsBengals game was highly
entertaining for anyone thatlost watched the last two

(49:27):
minutes of it.
Um, but you know, one of thoseteams is a potential playoff
team and the other's not goingto the playoffs.
So it's just kind of like, eh.
Uh JJ McCarthy, big win going toDetroit.
Because I don't think anyone sawthat coming.
I didn't see it coming.

SPEAKER_01 (49:41):
Um, no, I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 (49:43):
And for that to have been his third start, it's like,
okay.
You know, he's two and one as astarter.
He's got that blemish on hisrecord right now of who he lost
to, but you know, everybody getsa mulligan.

SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
Yeah, um, we need JJ McCarthy, though, to really lock
in on number 18.
He's not by far the bestdivision in football, right?
Oh, yeah.
No, I mean, no one's bad.

SPEAKER_00 (50:12):
Yeah, when Minnesota's your last place
team, I mean this way.
Minnesota, if they were in ourdivision, they wouldn't be
better than Tampa, but god, it'dbe fucking close.
It'd be real close.

SPEAKER_01 (50:27):
Oh, B Flo and and Todd Bowles dialing up on
defense.
That's that that gets the blooduh going a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (50:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:41):
I know Kegels are good for men, too.

SPEAKER_00 (50:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a lot down there.
Um, but yeah, outside of that, Imean, we didn't really get
anything else.
I mean, you got a hugeperformance out of Brock Bowers.
He was back this week and madehis presence felt.

SPEAKER_01 (50:56):
But yeah, 35 points.
Shout out to Brock Bowers.
Um, hey Josh Holsey.
Great game, man.

SPEAKER_04 (51:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (51:06):
I mean, but I think we're here.
We might as well talk about it.
I don't care if the fans want tohear it.
Um we're on the Cincinnati thisweek.

SPEAKER_00 (51:17):
Cincinnati, huh?
Yeah, I I think I think we gotourselves a big matchup.
Um obviously we are tiedrecord-wise.
Uh, I have the tiebreakerbecause I have more points.
But um, yeah, I mean, I'mlooking forward to it.
I think uh this week it it willbe this is a big deal, not just

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because we're tied, butliterally, in my case at least,
if I beat you and I beat youbad, uh not only does it I mean
we're we're in the playoffs forthe most like we're both going,
so like that's not gonna be anissue.
But this will probably decideour side of the division, no
doubt.
Like um, in my case, it's like ade facto two-game lead, kind of.

SPEAKER_01 (52:02):
Bro, justice is hanging on, though.

SPEAKER_00 (52:04):
He won't win, he's not gonna win that side of the
division, though.
And I mean, yeah, he's gettinglucky because Rico Dowdle is
looking like the best fuckingrunning back in the NFL for
whatever reason.
But um I don't think he's strongenough at quarterback.
Caleb Williams is still a littleup and down himself.
Like, he when he plays well, hedoes play really well.

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But like he's still kind of upand down.
Um, you know, and I've just gotthis, you know, this roster
that's gonna be really hard tobeat.
You know, he likes to bring upthat he beat me, but the issue
with him beating me was thatagain, he had his highest score
in performance.
I didn't I didn't play bad.
I scored like 115 points thatweek, but he had two running

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backs that scored 30 points.
So that's gonna always be hardto really beat on any given
week.
So that won't happen again.
Um, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (52:58):
I mean, I mean, I'm just looking at the league.
The league's competitive as hellthis year.

SPEAKER_00 (53:03):
Yeah, you know, I think Gambles' team is seriously
the the one to watch out for.
Like top to bottom, he's kind ofgot the team.
Nigga.

SPEAKER_01 (53:13):
You saw what he did to me when I had a bad week.
Like, I could have had a greatweek and I've I'm still not
winning.
He put up like 160.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like, like, I'm always madthat I got beat that badly
simply because I just needed thepoints for standings.
Because my point differentialwas nasty.

SPEAKER_00 (53:36):
Yeah, and and look, I had to get over that after
week one.
That's kind of where I was at,you know, and that's why we made
the trades that we made.
We got Justin Herbert in thesaddle because I said, uh-uh.
I said, that CJ Stroud shit'snot gonna fucking work, it's not
gonna float this year.
I do it every year.
Every year, everybody knows Idraft my team up very well.
Typically, quarterback is thelast thing I worry about because

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I can always make a trade withsomebody to get one.
And in this case, Mr.
Holsey needed a running back.
Uh, he got one, which DeAndreSwift's actually performed
pretty well, but I think JustinHerbert has I've won that trade.
Justin Herbert.

SPEAKER_01 (54:09):
DeAndre Swift, I'm pretty sure he was available uh
on waivers.
Or maybe that was my otherleague, but I think I'm pretty
sure he was available on waiversthis week.

SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
No, that's your other league.

SPEAKER_01 (54:20):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (54:20):
Somebody you know nobody's dropping a DeAndre
Swift in our league.
You know, you look up, maybeyou'll see Pacheco, sure, right?
But like um I mean, I gottastart De McCardo this week.
Yeah, I dropped him today.

SPEAKER_01 (54:36):
Yeah, I know.
I just grabbed him.

SPEAKER_00 (54:39):
Yeah, well, I saw big news out of Buffalo about a
certain running back notpracticing, and you know.

SPEAKER_01 (54:46):
You went after Singletary?
Not Singletary, uh Ray Davis.
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:55):
We'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_01 (54:57):
Yeah, we're gonna give De McCardo a chance this
week because we don't have muchof an option unless somebody
wants to trade.
But you know, niggas don't wantto trade with me.

SPEAKER_00 (55:05):
So, but you know, we're at that point in the
season where it's almost hard tomake a trade because you're
jockeying for position, and ifyou've got to play that person,
you can't make a trade with thatperson.

SPEAKER_01 (55:16):
Like, oh, see, I'm not hamstring but hamstrung by
that.
If I need a player and I needhim for my team, I'm not worried
about what he does for someoneelse's team, what the trade does
for somebody else's team,because if I need that person
and I believe that person'sgonna give me points, I'm taking
that risk.
Like, you know, you know, I'm aBill Belichick type of guy.
You know, like he traded DrewBled so in division.

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Yeah, he let Lawyer Malloy stayin the division.
Like, yeah, nigga, if I needsomebody or I need you gone, I
don't care where you go becauseI don't value you anymore.

SPEAKER_00 (55:51):
Right.
It doesn't have much to do withwith what it is that we've got
going on over here.
So therefore, we're okay withyou doing what you got to do
because we're gonna do whatwe've got to do.

SPEAKER_01 (56:01):
Golly, Jake Elliott sucks this year.

SPEAKER_00 (56:07):
Does he?

SPEAKER_01 (56:08):
Yeah, I gotta find me a kicker because you know,
Brandon Aubrey's on by, but likeyou don't drop Brandon Aubrey
because he's on by.

SPEAKER_00 (56:18):
No, no, no, no, we ain't.
You gotta carry two kickers fora week.
Yeah, that's you know, and thenthey the best part about it is
that you'll literally, you know,not have to worry about kicker
the rest of the year.
Yeah, and and and let me tellyou something too.
What a lot of people don'trealize, I got absolutely fucked

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this year.
So it's still remarkable thatI've got the best, technically
the best record in the league,because Malik Neighbors went out
after week three, or during weekthree, so I got him for two
games.
Terry McLaurin was my thirdpick.
He hasn't, he's essentiallyhasn't played all year.

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So that's two wide receivers.
Now, I have the hindsight todraft JSN, but you know, and
he's just having a historicbasically season so far, but you
played a little.
Yeah.
Well, nobody should feel bad forme.
I like again, I tied for thebest record, most points in the

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league.
It it's okay.
I beat the previous, technicallythe previous best team in the
league last week, convincingly.

SPEAKER_01 (57:29):
I mean, you're you're sit you're sitting at 7
and 2.
Yeah.
And I'm looking at it right now.
The projections have you at110.06, me at 108.57.
Like, this is this is what thisis the beauty of the of this
fantasy football shit.
Like, when you get a clash ofthe Titans, this is the type of
shit you want to see.

SPEAKER_04 (57:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:50):
And I mean, if you're playing, like, you're
over here doing all this cryingand shit.

SPEAKER_00 (57:54):
I'm not crying, I'm just saying.
I've I've overcome a lot ofadversity this season with my
team.

SPEAKER_01 (57:59):
We talk about adversity.
Mike Evans is cooked for theseason, man.
Yeah, but you got a Buka.

SPEAKER_00 (58:07):
Okay, nigga, I'm smart.
I draft well.
I mean, I draft well too.
That's why my team is still inthe position that it's in.
But I'm just saying, you know,you got literally the
beneficiary of like Matt's in aterrible position because Rico
Dowdell took over Tuba Hover'sjob.
So now he no longer has an RB1.
Hold on, hold on.
That's hard to recover from.
Who did you say?

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Rico Dowdle.
He took over whose team?
Oh, Matt Flowers.

SPEAKER_01 (58:33):
Why the fuck are you talking about his team and shit
that matters in the league?
I know he's he's he's knockingon the door of the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00 (58:40):
Matt's not a bad team, he doesn't have a bad
team.
I mean, I don't think he's gonnawin, but you know, he's got
Waddle, he's got Adams, and he'sgot St.
Brown.
That's a fucking hell of a widereceiver trio to have today.
Um But we're talking about MattFlowers in the locker room.
He's got Jake Ferguson, who's inhaving a huge year for the
Cowboys.
Uh, he unfortunately for him, helost uh Tucker Kraft, who was

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also having a huge year.
He's got Dak, he's got MattSavage, he's in a good spot.

SPEAKER_01 (59:09):
But we're talking about Matt Flowers in our
fantasy league.
Yeah.
Who cares?

SPEAKER_00 (59:16):
Yeah.
He he's he's a not he's anon-factor, right?

SPEAKER_01 (59:19):
I mean, yeah, but I mean, I'm just looking at this
shit, right?
I barely beat Josh.
Josh could be four and fiveright now.
Mm-hmm.
Will put me at six and three,but whatever.
You're we're both at the top.
Me, you, and Nico are all sevenand two.

SPEAKER_04 (59:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:36):
Then we got Gambles at six and three, who's the
sleeping giant, who could fuckaround and win the league this
year, and nobody would beshocked.
Like, I'm sorry.
Gambles can win the league.
No, he can't.

SPEAKER_00 (59:46):
I absolutely believe he's got a good enough team to
win.

SPEAKER_01 (59:48):
We got Justice at five and four.
We got JP at five and four.
We got Matt Flowers and EricBoyd at four and five.
Then we got Broad and Josh atthree and six.
Shout out to that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:01):
They'd have to pretty much win out.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:03):
Hey, the commission got the first pick, and he's two
and seven.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:06):
But you know, the commish's fault.
And look, it sucks.
Joe Burrow gets hurt, but youjust don't take a wide receiver
one, especially coming off of ahistoric season.
He was there was no way he wasgonna repeat what he did last
year.
Who'd he take one?
Jamar Chase.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:25):
I mean, it's not a bad pick, but you probably want
to go right.
You take B.
You take Bichon.
Who got who has JT?
Uh because I know Nico?
Yes.
Because I know I could havedrafted him and I would have
never drafted him that earlybecause nigga, his Daniel Jones

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is quarterback.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:51):
But it all worked out.
Let me see.
Where are we at on time?
Oh, okay.
We're halfway through.
Uh, anything else?
Uh, NFL, you want to talk aboutbefore we get into the college
guys?
Because I I do want to get tocollege in this block because
we've ignored a lot of collegethis year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:07):
Uh, because the NBA kind of crept up on us, and
we're doing these two-hourshows.
And just for the viewers, yeah,we do pre-production, but like
this show flows, so getting thetiming right, it's still a work,
it's it's it's there's stillsome work going on here, okay,
guys.
Bear with us, yeah.
But yeah, no, fucking uh let'stalk a little college ball.

(01:01:31):
We got our first collegefootball rankings coming out.
Uh came out yesterday.
I probably should have had it upalready before I uh way ahead of
you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:42):
I'm getting it right now.
You're way ahead of me, but Ialready got it up.
So well.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:49):
So we got Ohio State at one, Indiana at two, Texas AM
at three.
Please stop me if you seesomething that doesn't make
sense to you.
Alabama at four, Georgia atfive, oh miss at six, BYU at
seven, Texas Tech at eight,Oregon at nine.
Talk to me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:07):
We know why BYU is seven, but BYU is not the
seventh best team in thecountry.
I understand why they're there.
It's because they hadn't lost agame.
But should BYU really be numberseven?
Probably not.
Uh look, to their credit, theyplay Texas Tech this week.
So obviously something's gonnagive there.

(01:02:28):
I think Texas Tech's gonna win.
We'll get to that later in thepicks.
But like I think they're becauseTexas Tech's legit.
That is a legit team.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:36):
I think they're positioned there because they in
Oregon are really the only WestCoast teams that have a chance.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:44):
And even if they lose to BYU and it's not BYU to
Texas Tech and it's a closegame, by having them at seven,
they don't drop too far and itkeeps them close.
Because one thing we know aboutabout these rankings is they
keep certain teams in certainpositions, especially in that
first poll, so that they cankind of manipulate the the

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playoffs.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:11):
Right.
Because if you look at NotreDame, right, and they're always
gonna be, I would say arguablythe most talked-about team
because they're not in aconference.
Yeah, um, they start off, youknow, they lose their first two
games, which the Miami loss isstarting to not look very good,
but still at the top what theydo.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:29):
The my but real quick, the Miami loss isn't that
bad because when you're lookingat Miami's losses, it's when
Carson Beck plays like shit.
Right.
And Carson Beck played well, andwe know this as Georgia fans,
when Carson Beck plays well,hard gotta be, especially when
he has a team.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:48):
No, these are facts, but I just I guess I'm looking
at it, and it's just one ofthose things where, you know,
that's a three-loss ACC schoolright now.
Like they're not going to theACC title game.
So um, not looking too great.
Obviously, the Texas AM losslooks fantastic because Texas AM
looks like the best team in theSEC right now.
Um, but to their credit, theyhaven't lost a game since and

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they don't appear like they'regonna lose another game.
I mean, they still gotta playUSC, which can be a trappish
kind of game.
Maybe, maybe, I don't know.
It probably won't be, but likeit can be.
Um, and USC, they continue towin too, which sets up to where
at least, hey, that'll be anine-win team or something that
we beat at the end of the year.

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But if they run off 10 in a rowand no conference championship
game, the chips kind of fallwhere they may.
And if it came down to similarto how last year, right, like
SMU, a lot of teams were like,you gotta put SMU in, even
though they lost to Clemson inthe ACC title game, it's like
you can't leave SMU out.
Like, SMU's got to get in.
Then they did end up getting in.

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Notre Dame's always gonna havethat spot on lock.
Yeah.
Because of money.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:59):
Yeah, money.
And to Notre Dame's credit, theyhave, I mean, from BK to now,
they're putting a product on thefield that usually speaks to
them deserving to be to be wherethey are.
Like Notre Dame is one of thebetter programs in the country.

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And so I give Notre Dame thebenefit of the doubt, just like
we give Georgia, LSU, uh, Bama,Ohio State, Michigan when
they're rolling, like certainprograms get the benefit of the
doubt just because of who theyare.
So I like that.
But let's uh continue, and thenwe'll go back and I'll and I'll

(01:05:41):
have some uh comments.
Uh we got Texas Tech 8, Oregon9, Notre Dame 10, Texas 11.
We're gonna keep Texas closebecause if we can get Texas, if
Texas beats Georgia, oh God, thethe the networks are happy,
okay?
Uh Oklahoma at 12, Utah at 13,Virginia at 14, Louisville at

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15, Vandy at 16, Georgia Techwith the percipes fall uh at 17,
Miami at 18, South Carolina,excuse me, Southern Cal at 19,
Iowa, who gives a fuck at 20,Michigan at 21, Missouri at 22,
Washington at 23, Pittsburgh at24, and uh the Power T Rocky Top

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will always be home, sweet hometo me.
Uh my alma mater, University ofTennessee at 25.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:31):
Yeah, and and the reason why, too, and we go
through that whole entireranking is because it does
matter, right?
Because now the teams that areranked on that back end are what
strengthen um arguments for theteams that are sitting there at
15, 16, 14, 13, right?
And the teams that are in thatare in currently.
It strengthens it because it'slike, well, this is a team that

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we beat, all right?
Like they're a ranked team,their losses are to quality
opponents, i.e.
us.
It it's it's crazy for tech, butit makes a lot of sense.
Clemson has fallen so far.
That was the tech signature winthis year.
They were the second team tobeat Clemson.
So, like it appears that youknow what I mean, like that was

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a strong win at the time becauseClemson did only lose to LSU,
who now is also falling off theroad, like they just completely
fallen off out of the sky, likeeverything is fucked up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:26):
Well, you thought the Clemson, you thought the
Clemson win with a John Hancock,and it's more like a Thomas
Jefferson, yeah.
In the sense of if you've everlooked at and read the
Declaration of Independence,John Hancock has the largest
signature on there.
Thomas Jefferson has anoticeable signature in there,
and he's Thomas Jefferson, andhe's him.
But when they like drafted thisdocument and they and they had

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niggas sign it, John Hancock wasHemothy at that point in time in
history.
So we thought that Clemson winwas a John Hancock type of
victory, a signature win, but itwas Thomas Jefferson.
It deserves respect, but at thetime, you know what I mean?
It ain't it ain't that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:06):
Uh, but I look at the top of it.
I don't believe that Indiana canbeat Alabama.
I know Alabama has an ugly, augly fucking loss to start with.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:20):
That's another one though.
Think about that's another onelike now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:23):
It's an ugly loss, but it was week one.
Todd Simpson's finally the guy.
And you just didn't look goodweek one.
But for Alabama to have whatknocked off four ranked
opponents in four weeks orwhatever, in four games, they're

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they're rolling, they'rehumming.
I wouldn't put them above OhioState because there's no
argument for it, because OhioState's undefeated, and that's
just how we look at collegefootball.
Uh, despite the schedule, andOhio State did beat Texas barely
when uh when Arch Manning wasn'tthe guy we've been seeing the
last couple of weeks.
Uh but I I really thinkAlabama's the best team in the

(01:09:08):
country, and I don't thinkGeorgia's I don't think
Georgia's far off.
Um Ohio State is really good,and they may be the best team,
but you I I don't believe in BigTen strength of schedule.
Because like the top of the BigTen is good, but like the good

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teams that win games inside ofthe Big Ten and have good
records, like your I was of theworld, they're not that fucking
good when you're talking aboutplaying against NFL talent, you
know?

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:45):
Well, they're there they're mauling on right,
they're mauling on Minnesota,who's also four and four.
They're mauling on uh, you know,they get a Purdue in a spot,
they beat them by 40.
Like that they beat MichiganState really.
They played a Michigan team thatcan't score points.
Like that's these are those winsfor these types of programs.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:07):
And Ohio State is built like an SEC team, but
they're playing against Big Tenathletes week in and week out.
I'm listening.
Give me one second.
You good like so because theyplay these big ten big ten teams
week in and week out, you don'thave the same type of athletes
to compare.

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Uh so it looks different, eventhough these are quality teams,
but when you actually playagainst the big dogs, it doesn't
always look the same.
So I I'm hesitant on on a lot ofthe Big Ten stuff because yes,
it's high-level collegefootball, the really good
players, pro players, but atsome of the key positions, you

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don't always see the same levelof athlete and and pro prospect.
And yeah, I shit on Iowa andIowa is tight in you, and
they're responsible for two thetwo white corners in the NFL who
are actually both uh goodplayers.
Um my man's in Philly and myman's in uh in Denver.
Uh Cooper Dejean, and I can'tthink of the other guy's name

(01:11:11):
right now, and I'm not gonnalook it up.
Uh, but that's something.
Uh while we're waiting on ParlayPete to come back, I want to
have a quick conversation thoughabout um coaching.
You know, we've seen all thesecoaches get fired.
Uh Hugh Freeze being uh one ofthe newest ones fired.
And uh college football has toget something figured out.

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We've got to get somethingfigured out.
We've got to regulate theschedule for one.
Because until we regulate theschedule, we we we we got player
movement, we got coach movementall throughout the season, and
and that's not good for anybody.
Uh, we've got to get thesebuyouts under control.
I understand that Jimmy's theJimmy sexons of the world, uh,
they they want their cash andthey're gonna do what they can

(01:11:53):
to get their cash.
But the schools themselves, theconferences, somebody has got to
step in to protect themselvesfrom this money.
Uh, because you hear the the theLouisiana governor come out
talking, pretty much saying,hey, we're not gonna keep giving
out these contracts because mytaxpayers have to pay them.

(01:12:14):
And that's unfair to thetaxpayers that we got to pay
this big bill that the schoolagreed to for this guy to come
in and and now he's not doingwhat we expect him to do, so we
kick him out.
So I'm not gonna say let's lowerthe the annual the annual uh
salary for these coaches, butcan we shorten up the deals,
especially for guys on theirfirst contract at the school?

(01:12:38):
You know, especially a guy whodoesn't have ties to a school.
Now I understand Kirby's smart,and it's not because I'm a
Georgia fan.
You give Kirby the long-termdeal because he gets to Georgia,
he starts winning, he gets to anatty, something Mark Rick
didn't get us to.
We lose, we end up finallygetting back, we win two in a
row, and we're in the playoffsevery year.

(01:13:01):
Yeah, bro.
Like, get Kirby a long-termdeal.
He's the best coach in collegefootball, and and he's a
bulldog, he's not goinganywhere.
Dabo, whatever his deal is, Iunderstand giving Dabo that
long-term deal.
Why?
Dabo's one, two daddy's aClemson.
He's a Clemson guy.

(01:13:22):
You don't expect Dabo to goanywhere, and then when Dabo
leaves, you're you're gonna dothat.
You're gonna you're gonna mark,you're gonna mutually part ways.
So it all works out.
Like everybody's good, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Like, Dabo's not leaving Clemsonuh uh on Clemson's terms more
time tonight.
He's gonna leave on Dabo's termsbecause of what he did.

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But when you're talking aboutgiving Brian Kelly like a
nine-tenure deal when he showsup, you're talking about giving
uh uh uh uh what's my man'sname?
Uh Jimbo, that big extensionwhen he hadn't done shit.
Like, I understand JamesFranklin.
He spent 12 years.
He spent 12 years up there atPenn State.

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So wherever he was at in hiscontract, I understand him
having a long-term deal becausehe was committed to Penn State
and he was producing at PennState, although not winning
national championships, eventhough Joe Paul only got one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:16):
So uh we can't be mad at Jimbo, though.
Jimbo, for what it's worth,which it doesn't happen that
often, Texas AM was able to takea coach that had won a national
championship.
Those don't typically, you knowwhat I mean?
Like uh Urban Meyer was anotherone, but he technically was
retired, so he didn't getpoached from the school.
Like, Jimbo didn't get firedfrom Florida State, they just
like started.

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I'm sure Jimmy Sexton um startednegotiating.
And he's like, because Jeff, ifyou remember, Jimbo used to
complain about Florida State'sum like their athletic, like
just the shit, like everythinglike the facilities were shitty,
is what he said.
AM got a boatload of money.
Um NIL was kind of starting tocome into play a little bit, or

(01:15:01):
I know at least towards the tailend of it.
Because then that's why peoplestarted.
If you remember, Jimbo and uhNick got into it, because Nick's
like, yeah, because they'refucking paying for players at
Texas AM, is what he said.
Um, but I'm just saying, I don'twant to throw Jimbo in there
because they didn't really havemuch of a choice but to give
Jimbo like what he wanted.

(01:15:22):
No, but I think Jimbo, I want tosay Jimbo Jimbo's gonna get, you
know, Jimbo's gonna get a jobthis cycle too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:29):
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Uh I want to say that so hesigned, he signed a 10-year$75
million deal in 2018.
Then he got he got extended to a10-year 95 million.
My point about Jimbo is at TexasAM, not at Florida State, at
Texas AM, I'm not giving JimboFisher 10 years.

(01:15:52):
Jimbo Fisher has done nothing tosay that he deserves 10 years at
Texas AM.
I understand he won the natty atFlorida, and we want to get
Jimbo to come turn our programaround.
Got it.
I'm not giving him 10 years,though.
Like five.
Seven million.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:13):
Five, and then we'll extend you after year three.
Exactly.
Or year two or one if youreally, if you curtsy netty this
thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:20):
Exactly.
But I'm not giving you 10 offthe rip, and then when we go for
a negoti, when we uh when werenegotiate your contract and
give you an extension, I'm notgiving you another 10 year.
That's my only point.
I don't think all of thesecoaches who are going to new
places who haven't establishedsomething there should get
contracts that long, especiallyat the public institutions where

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the taxpayers are responsiblefor funding the fucking school.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:48):
Yeah.
I mean, that's fair.
I I can agree with you there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:52):
Um Kirby, his tenure makes sense.
He's a bulldog.
Kirby don't want to leaveGeorgia.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:58):
And Georgia doesn't want Kirby to leave them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:01):
Right.
Like Kirby should should what'smy man's name?
Vince Dooley?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:06):
Hey, they are happily married, nigga.
Like, like, like, like hedoesn't even have other women's
phone numbers, you know?
Hey, don't go that far.
That's not he's not he's notfriends with them on Instagram.
He's that happily married.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:22):
No, he's so happily married that he can be friends
with them on Instagram, andthere's not even a thought of
objectifying them when they postthe bullshit that looks good on
on the on the timeline.
Just like, yeah, what is shedoing, man?
Get to hey yo, why am I in yourclose friends?
You know, I'm married, you knowI don't even like this shit,
bro.

(01:17:43):
Like, yeah.
Like, girl, stop.
Yeah.
But Hugh Freeze fired.
You know, I think Auburn issuffering from some somewhat of
what LSU is suffering from, andand honestly, what Florida is
suffering from.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:04):
You know, sometimes good is good enough.
Hey, just be good for a while.
Eventually you can become ifyou're good, good can become
great, but if you're just nothappy with good and you're
resetting and you're constantlyresetting, like that doesn't
make sense.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:21):
Work for a lot of those people though, it's we
gotta be better than BigBrother, right?
And Big Brother, all they do iscompete for national
championships.
I gotta be better than BigBrother.
When were you better than BigBrother?
They won a duel or here andthere, but the thing is, is that
that's how those people aregonna look at it.

(01:18:43):
I mean, you look, you listen tothe Paul Feinbaum show, those
people care.
I'm talking about the people,the decision makers.
Yeah, well, they shouldn't care,but the fan base, everybody's
gonna kind of put that pressureon them to no, we've got to do
this, we have to do this.
It doesn't mean that they haveto listen, but then again, you

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probably should listen to yourfan base too, in reality.
I mean, the Falcons don't listento us and look where that's got
them, right?
Yeah, that's pros versuscollege, but still, it's the
same, you know, and at thispoint, it's the same thing.
And so um Auburn is just it'sit's they're in a tough spot at
the end of the day.

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They're not the best team intheir own state, so they can't
get their the best players fromtheir own state.
They're not the best team in anyrivalry that they have.
They're you know, they're thelittle brother of against
Georgia too.
Shit, Georgia fucking ownsAuburn.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:37):
Um we do now.
They they had a run where it'slike we don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:44):
Like Nick Marshall completing a pass.
Like, you know, it's like dumbshit, though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:48):
Well, we should have left let Nick Marshall stay on
the roster, you know.
He who cares if he could havebeen a hell of a corner, huh?
Well, he wanted to be aquarterback.
Let the man go try to playquarterback.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:58):
Yeah, yeah, got him to a natty.
But uh I mean, you know, ZachMan.
Actually, let's give Gus Malzona lot of credit here, too.
Um it's not looking too good forhim.
He's he's gonna be one and doneat Florida State, as though,
see.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:11):
Uh well, that look here, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:14):
Uh Norvell, man.
Well, Wach Wach Wine.
Um, you know that that's what'sgonna happen, too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:22):
And I think Wach Wine will actually work there,
but parlay Pete, you rememberwhen I used to tell you, and
maybe you don't remember, butI'm like, hey, Georgia fans need
to relax, and this was before wewon our back-to-backs.
I'm like, hey, Georgia isMichigan, is Texas, okay?

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Flagship school in the stateprovides a great education, like
these are like real colleges,not just football schools like
Alabama and Auburn.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:54):
Yeah.
Um you mean where the acceptancerate is at 78%.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:59):
Like you know what I mean, like uh smart niggas get
turned down from Georgia.
Yeah, but like you you're ayou're a 10, you're a non-10 win
program that when things goright, you got the right coach,
everything, you become anational championship type
program.
But you're not Alabama, you'renot an Ohio State, hell, you're

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not even a USC if we're beinghonest.
Like, I'm just talking abouthistorically championship
standard.
And I think that these fans whomay have won championships or
may have come close to onewinning championships, even LSU,
right?
LSU has won championships in ourlife, but LSU has not been
historically is not that.
Yeah, they're not like back toback, they're not going on crazy

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runs.
None of none of the coaches whohave natties at LSU won multiple
ndies.
Yeah, they were competitiveevery year.
But like, stop holding yourselfto this saving at Alabama
standard because what he did washistoric.
That's like that's not themeasuring stick, my nigga.
Yeah, like like if you're an NBAplayer and you go out and you

(01:22:06):
working out against KD and youget your ass bust by KD, that
doesn't mean you're not an NBAplayer.
That doesn't mean you're not agood NBA player.
That means, hey, this person islike different.
Yeah.
Like different, my nigga.
Like, he's not, he ain't likethe rest of us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:24):
So he's a generational figure.
Exactly.
So literally, there's only onethat can come.
There is no, there aren't two.
Herbs close.
Close.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:35):
And that's when again, when Florida had when
Florida made their runs, theyhad legendary coaches.
They had Spurrier, who got one,and you had Urban, who got two.
Like you've gotta understandthat you want to catch
lightning, and you want to bereally good and then catch
lightning in a bottle in acouple years.
Because even Saban, he won six,which is a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:59):
But damn near 20 years, he won six.
He wasn't winning it everyfucking year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:06):
And and and he he didn't get to the natty every
fucking year.
He didn't win the SEC everyyear.
LSU had their chances, Georgiahad their chances.
Uh, who else?
Florida had their run.
Like other teams hadopportunities to win.
So, y'all be patient.
I'm not saying stick with MarkRick for 15 years, but god damn

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it, don't fire your coach afterfour because hey man, we're not
competing for a natty.
You know, we're finishing fourthin the SEC in the top three
teams are making the playoffs.
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:40):
I think Hugh Freeze had been given enough time,
though, to show progress.
And I think that that's wherethe difference comes in, right?
Where's the progress?
Auburn hasn't really made anyprogress.
Like, they they're six and six,and that is not the standard
there.
The standard would be eight ornine wins.
Yeah, he hadn't done it, andthis was year three or four.
I don't even remember, but likehe is showing progress.

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But then again, a guy like HughFreeze, I wonder what his buyout
was because Hugh Freeze, itwasn't like he had really proven
anything.
He he revitalized himself atLiberty, made them uh a football
program that betters love to beton.
Because they were playingagainst really slack competition
and he put Malik Willis uh inthe NFL.

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Like that's that's his legacythere.
At Ole Mess, he was a cheater.
They beat Alabama, but they werenever serious while he was there
either.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:35):
Miles 15 uh point eight.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:39):
Uh woof.
So what he probably had twobasically two more years, year
and a half.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:45):
Yeah, he was getting he was getting six point, he was
getting six five-ish a year, soyeah, two and a half.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:52):
That's not bad for a guy like you, but um 15 million
is not terrible.
We're saying that like niggaswho have just yeah, hey, hey,
hey, hey, like it's hey, likeit's a fifteen thousand dollar
buying bonus to work somewhereor something.
Yeah, you're not gonna like Imean, but when you're talking
about Franklin and Kelly getting50 large, it's like hey man,

(01:25:12):
yeah, and well, and but thatgoes to show that the there's
levels to it too when it comesto which is why Kirby's is a
hundred million, right?
Like there's levels to it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:21):
Well, Kirby's is set up because look, well, because
he's never gonna be gone.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:25):
That bile doesn't matter, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:28):
Uh you wanna get to some hoops?
Let's get to some basketball.
I I guess you want to talkabout.
I mean, do we open up with Ja?

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:39):
Uh, you mean Za?
Za Morant?
Yeah, we gotta start off withZa.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:44):
All right, man.
So let's take it to FridayLakers game.
Uh Ja appears to be disengagedin the huddle.
It becomes a thing that peopleuh focus on.
Shout out to Gilbert Arenas uhfor pointing out that uh in that
same huddle, KCP was talking tosome woman and like scratching

(01:26:05):
his ass and not paying attentioneither.
And the point that Gilbert madewas bro, he wasn't in the game,
so the play that the coach isdrawing up, it really don't
matter to him.
Like, I get from the team pointof view, he should be locked in,
but like nigga, no, I'm not.
I I don't care.
Hey, I didn't want you to zoomout, camera.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:26):
Um, so then he has a uh hat closet there, too, by the
way.
I didn't say it earlier inpre-production, but hey, you
know what?

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:34):
I figured the hat closet on the outside of the
door looks better than thefucking door.
Yeah, that brown door is ugly,but anyways, so then uh after
the game, Ja's asked a series ofquestions, and pretty much he
just says, ask coach staff, askthe coaching staff.
And he was like, based on whatthey said, we're better off if I
ain't playing.
So what it tells me is they gotinto it at halftime, and and Ja

(01:26:58):
let that nigga know how he felt.
And the coach probably said ourplus minus is X, Y, and Z.
And that's when you're off thecourt versus when you're on the
court, and that's why we runthese rotations.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:09):
I was like, Yeah, nigga, fuck all that shit.
Like, I'm fi.
And he was like, hey, if y'allbetter without me, then all
right, nigga, prove it.
And uh so then Ja ends upgetting suspended for con
conduct detrimental to the team.
More than likely, he and Coachgot into it after the game and
were yelling.
They said that uh pretty muchthat uh the coach called him out

(01:27:32):
for his lack of leadership andeffort, and Ja responded in a
way that uh wasn't great.
Uh, he plays in the game onMonday.
He gets to interview after thegame, and he says that he's lost
his joy playing basketball.
So, for one, Ja's gone.
I want to talk about potentialtrades for Ja, but also I want
to have a conversation aboutthis with the coach because the

(01:27:55):
play players are defending Ja,even calling him out and holding
him accountable, but defendinghim overall.
The media support in the coach,typical, and I think regular
people should have aconversation because I think it
can be a bit more nuanced for usbecause we can see both sides of
it while understanding thatcoaches are authority figures
that deserve respect.

(01:28:17):
But uh coaches who have won inthe Euro League coming to the
NBA, trying to tell NBA playerswe're gonna do things a little
bit differently, uh, especiallystars, that doesn't go over
well.
Shout out to uh David Black.
So I just want to put that outthere to frame the conversation.
Uh, but what are your thoughtson the job piece?

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:35):
I mean, at the end of the day, and see, I didn't
see what you saw on uh Gil'sarena.
Um, I think it's funny yousaying KCP was talking to some
broad and scratching his ass.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:46):
Gil's not mine, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:48):
Yeah, but that's just an interesting thing.
It's just like look at almostlike they were breaking it down
and slowly.
It's like, all right, now lookat him.
Like, but no, seriously.
Um yeah, I mean, this is just aproduct of it's over with, uh,
relationship-wise.
I think that it's over with.
I think that um his time thereis gonna come to an end and that

(01:29:10):
it should be over.
Honestly, in a weird way, ithasn't worked.
They were always a little bit ofthat in my mind.
It's worked, it's worked.
Don't say it hasn't worked.
It it's it's worked for whatMemphis is used to, but it
hasn't worked overall in termsof what the ultimate goal should
be, which kind of gets back toeven what our football
conversation was about.
That's good for Memphis, justlike in Atlanta.

(01:29:32):
If we're a two or a three seed,everybody's thrilled, right?
But that doesn't work in LA.
It doesn't work with the ball.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:41):
But it's Memphis, and Memphis has a star that gets
them on national TV.
Niggas wasn't watching grit andgrind, only basketball players
like that shit.
Niggas watch the jaw.
Kids is buying the jaw morantshoe.
When I look at basketball, I seethat ja three every time I'm
watching TV.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:01):
Right.
And so I guess my thing, my mythought on this, at least
overall, is that John is in aposition where the rubber's
meeting the road.
It's one of these points in hiscareer where he's got he's
already had all this shit that'shappened.
Now you're adding this on.
It's a new coaching regime.

(01:30:23):
You know, there's not, I'm notgonna say there's rumors of the
team relocating, which I thinkwe support that on the show, and
we've talked about it before.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:31):
Send him to Nashville.
I don't want him to, I don'twant him to go to the other
Seattle, huh?

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:36):
You don't want him to be the supersonic.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:38):
No, I will I uh like come on, man.
Let's let's make some peoplepony up some billions to give it
to the other owners.
The owners want expansion,right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:49):
But then from the coach's perspective, I also
understand it, right?
Like if they get into it andit's uh hey, smile, he's got to
set the tone and have theculture that he wants to bring
to the team, and his hope isthat his best player is gonna
buy in, right?
So he has to be okay with that.
He can't be, you know, like acoach Fizz or a Coach Ra.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:09):
These are all guys that are in with the players to
Moody, like to the point whereyou know stay here with me
because I want you to keepgoing, but just to rebut that
quickly, with Ja acting thisway, and Chris Vernon reported
it on the low on Thak Lowe'spodcast, and from what we've

(01:31:31):
seen and what we've heard, Jahas never been an internal
problem.
We've heard nothing about Jabeing a problem with as the
player, yeah, just everythingoutside of work.
Exactly, and and whatever.
But like we've not heardbasketball issues with Ja.
You fire his his his coach, whohe loved, nine games before the

(01:31:55):
season was over.
You bring in these assistantsthat Taylor Jenkins didn't hire
to bring in a new offense thatJa didn't like, and then this
assistant that you brought infrom Europe, he's an assistant
for a year, and you know youbrought him in to be the head
coach.
So during his time as anassistant, pretty much knowing
he's gonna get the job,shouldn't he have been building

(01:32:16):
that relationship with Ja?
Then when he gets the job,playoffs, building that
relationship with Ja off-season,because Ja's committed to
Memphis.
He got it on his back, he gotthe mansion in Memphis, he's
gotten in trouble in Memphis inthe offseason, so we know Ja be
in Memphis.
Wouldn't you spend theoff-season building that

(01:32:36):
relationship, getting Ja boughtin, listening to his ideas, and
creating a vision that works forthe team so that Ja is bought in
day one of training camp?

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:47):
Like that's yeah, that's my only not when you when
you get say say about gettingbought in, new coach, setting a
culture.
Part of setting a culture isbehind the scenes away from
everybody else, creating lettingyour your star player know what
the fuck you're gonna do.
And like, yeah, I'm gonna rideyou hard in front of everybody.

(01:33:10):
But I'm also like, hey, me andyou, we here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:14):
So I didn't like it to be more collaborative in a in
a in a sense, in reality,because it's like, well, I'm the
coach, but you're the coach,you're the leader on the floor,
you're the point guard, too.
Like, you're literally the coachon the floor, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:26):
And so when he plays 27 minutes a game, it's hard to
be the coach on the floor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:32):
Well, and that gets into the Euro style of
basketball, because that'sreally that is how you run that
shit over there.
It's just like um then you startlooking at the front office,
though, because that's wherethere's there's another aspect
to this.
That's the extra layer to it,because they would know what
type of coach he is, and theycertainly know what type of
player slash person Ja is, sothey would know whether or not

(01:33:56):
something like this will work.
You're setting yourself up forfailure, is what you're doing.
And and in his case, I thinkthat it just is time for them to
move on.
Like in terms of they can keephim if they want and continue to
sell jerseys, I guess.
But I just think that it's timethat they do move on from each
other.
Uh, plus the NBA, we needanother good shakeup, you know.

(01:34:18):
I'd love to see it personally.
Uh, and I think Ja would beperfect, and I mean perfect with
Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:26):
But real quick, let me give my thoughts on it, and
then we'll get back, we'll getto destinations, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:33):
Traded to Atlanta, too.
Come on now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:36):
Hey, uh, the NBA is doing a lot of things that um I
don't think a lot of people arepaying attention to.
We're hiring more Euro coaches.
We are the the the Square NBAmedia is are supporting the

(01:34:57):
international players and theEuropean style of basketball.
We talked about scores not beingenough last week.
We're pushing dynamic scores outof the league based on the way
that we're playing the playingbasketball because we're doing
this five out shit.
And if you're a dynamic score,you don't get other people

(01:35:18):
involved because we're playingthis dumb basketball where we
don't run plays.
Because if we run play, like ifwe actually run plays, the
dynamic score like Cam Thomas,he gets the ball when he can get
it to score, but also whenyou're running a play, this
nigga's not getting the ball allthe time, so you can stop him
from being a ball hog whilerunning a coherent offense that

(01:35:39):
involves everybody.
Yeah.
So we're getting to thisEuropean stuff, and the the
teams are starting to look a bitmore European, right?
Both in the way the playerslook, but also in their styles
of play.
And we gotta remember the NBAbecame a league that people

(01:36:01):
cared about because of thestars.
It wasn't about the teams, itwasn't about the it wasn't about
the team styles and the motionoffense.
No, we like stars in the NBA.
And I understand it's importantto build teams, but the problem
with the way teams are beingbuilt is you got coaches like
this guy in Memphis, you gotfront offices like Memphis'

(01:36:21):
front office is appearing to beright now.
And I'm not saying you collowyour fucking star player, but
god damn it, you build anenvironment for your star player
to thrive, and then you putplayers around that player so
that your team can thrive.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:35):
And when you got a star player, a guy who's made an
all-NBA, who wins 60% of hisgames, like when John Morant's
on the court, they fucking win.
And he's an unself, he's anunselfish player, he's not a
ball stopper, he gets peopleinvolved, he'll play off ball,
he'll let Triple J get 30.
He used to let Bang get 30.

(01:36:55):
He used to let Dylan Brooksshoot the fucking ball, okay?
Like he's not selfish.
Niggas fuck with him, he'scharismatic.
You build around that.
Like, owner, as a business, youbuild around that because that
fucking sells and gets you ongoddamn TV.
Coach, as a coach, you buildaround that because your players
rock with him and you wanteverybody bought into what y'all

(01:37:16):
are doing and what you weredoing.
But we're trying to do thisEuropean stuff to where the team
is the most important thing, andwe're trying to maximize the
team.
Hey, dog, niggas ain't watchingthe NBA.
It's a bad TV product.
It's a terrible fuck.
Everybody plays the same stupidfive hours.
And we talked about this lastnight.
Bro, we like the fact thatgrowing up, you watch the big

(01:37:38):
East, it's a style ofbasketball.
ACC style of basketball.
Niggas ain't really watched theSEC besides Kentucky and
Tennessee growing up, you knowwhat I mean, to one and done.
But it was a style of basketballin the SEC.
Yeah, in Florida.
You got the Pac-12.
I didn't even care about thePac-10, Pac-12, because they
just got niggas out therehooping, playing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:58):
You UCLA Aaron Afallow and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:01):
But they were the only, they were pretty much the
only school.
I mean like Denver too.
But Denver used to be a decentbasketball program.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:09):
Arizona too, but you know, Arizona had them five
niggas coming through.
Arizona State have a randomnigga that's good as hell.
USC have a nigga like OJ Mayo,Swaggy P.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, like they're not abasketball power, but they got
pros coming through.
Correct.
But now everybody's like allthese guys come into the NBA and
different teams play differentlybased on who's coaching, who's
on the roster.

(01:38:30):
Now they're trying to like makethis shit like generic.
And you know what?
People don't like genericproducts.
There's a reason why you chargemore for goddamn polo, Ralph
Lauren, than U.S.
Polo Association.
The brand matters.
And when you create a brandthat's distinct, people are
attracted to it.
So the NBA is no longer creatingdistinct brands, right?

(01:38:52):
We're not even we're not evengetting behind the players that
our people can relate to.
Yeah, we want all thisinternational stuff, but hey,
the NBA is made up of blackpeople.
And black people want to watchblack people play basketball the
way that they play.
That's what Major LeagueEntertaining.
Your American white people, theydidn't want the thugs, right?

(01:39:14):
They didn't want the thugs, butthey want to watch these guys
play basketball in a way thatthey couldn't fathom playing
basketball.
But it seems like we're tryingto cater to the guys who say, I
like to see teams share theball, pass it around, do all of
that.
Well, the stars need to share itand pass it around until you
went to the stupid European shitwhere we play five out, dog.

(01:39:34):
Like that's not good, likethrees.
Like everything is about fuckingstats.
And not like the stats on thebox score, not the Josh score
stats.
Like the shit you learn in thestatistics class, it don't make
sense to the untrained eye.
Right?
They're complicating simpleshit.
Yeah, like, hey, you're not theyou're not as good if you if you

(01:39:56):
only play if you play more than30 minutes.
Hey, this nigga Todd, I'mbusting his ass.
I've been busting his ass allgame, dog.
Let me kill him.
Because once I start killinghim, they're sending the doubles
and the triples, and I'm uh odd.
Like what we saw with Shay lastnight.
Yeah.
Like Shay was getting so muchattention.
Nigga had 12 assists.

(01:40:17):
He had 30 and 12 in fuckingthree quarters.
Yeah.
And it was both in the 30 andthe 12 were both effortless.
He was just stupid.
Why?
Because he was allowed to boogieand and and and dictate the
game.
But this this uh let's just uhuh insert spare parts in here,
nigga.
No, that's what you do with likea middle school team when you're

(01:40:39):
not talented, when you havehigh-end talented players, you
let them niggas be talented.
Sorry, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:46):
No, I'm I'm with you 100% here.
It's it's it's concerning, andthe NBA is gonna continue to
lose fans the more and more thatwe get this, and that that's why
you can expand if you want, youknow, but at the same time, this
is not a good product.
Now, granted, Adam Silver'salready gotten the deals done,
right?
So TV they can't pull out.

(01:41:09):
Um, but it's a bad product, andthey're just gonna lose more and
more fans.
And you know, nobody wants topay four and five hundred
dollars a game to go seesomebody run down and shoot a
three on one pass, and thenbasically the same thing happens
on the other end, and that'sgonna be pretty much the game.
It's gonna be well, who makesthe for uh the threes first?

(01:41:30):
And then you occasionally, ohwow, we got a nice dunk by
Anthony Edwards or something.
Like, but that's that's what theNBA has turned into.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:38):
Hey dog, if we go into a Hawks Grizzlies game,
right?
Do we want to only see 27, 28minutes a job?
Or we want to see that nigga outthere for 36, 38, nigga, 40.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:48):
He should be getting at minimum on average nine
minutes a quarter.
He should be playing playingthree whole quarters of
basketball.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:01):
Like, you know how much, and granted, playoffs a
little bit different, but youremember when LeBron was like
playing 47 a game?
Yeah, niggas love that shit.
You want to see star players outthere thugging it, gutting it.
Yeah, hey, where would you liketo see Ja?
Because we got about 17 minutesleft.
There's not much left that wegotta hit, but uh, where would

(01:42:22):
you like to see Ja?

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:23):
So again, I like the idea of Minnesota.
I think that that would bereally, really interesting.
But obviously, could be a clashconsidering it's Anthony
Edwards' team, and like just theway that works.
But I think that's where I wouldlike to see him.
I mean, Houston would be prettynice too, but um I need to play
him.
That's a real perfect fit,though.

(01:42:45):
Nigga, bring him here.
Play him with uh bring him here.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course,here would be great too,
especially if we're gonna getoff trade anyways.
Bring him here.
Uh the star that you would want,maybe to pair him with, and I
know maybe it wouldn't workstyle-wise potentially, but ja
with like Giannis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:06):
I mean I don't I don't want another star with
Giannis because Giannis is ablack hole, yeah, and it's the
right thing to do.
But nigga, Dame kept his numbersand it didn't look good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:30):
Right.
Well, they tell it little,right?
He's yeah, he had a 27, 28, hewas a 24, 25.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:39):
I yeah, but like he pretty much kept his numbers,
and I'm gonna take it.
I know, but like they didn'tplay well together.
Giannis doesn't play well withothers, and that's okay.
You you you you need a team likethey had when they won a
championship.
You need Drew Holiday, ChrisMiddleton, Bobby Portis, yeah,

(01:43:59):
Lopez.
You need those types of players.
Um Bob Portis is gonna have tochoke them with another thing
that the NBA uh is fucking upwith is hey, that Peacock, uh
your program will be backshortly.
Yeah, and it takes like fiveminutes for the post-game show
to come on, and all they do is apreview, and then you go back to

(01:44:21):
that fucking screen, and it'sreally like 10 minutes.
It felt like 10 minutes of deadtime before the the postgame
show came on on peacock.
Hey, that makes a nigga closedout.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:33):
Yeah, and I know that that was something that you
were certainly concerned with.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:38):
Um well, think about it, dog.
Had we not we were sitting therewaiting because we knew it was
about time for for us to go tosleep, so you're not gonna turn
something new on and commit toit, right?
But nigga, if we were on thewest coast, we're we're not even
watching a post-game showbecause we're probably watching

(01:44:58):
fucking uh uh Ryan Rosillo,Colin Calherd, Bill Simmons,
Bill Simmons, Rich Eisen, DannyO.
We're watching some clips onYouTube now.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like anybody, yeah, becauseyou're not even giving us
anything, and then you gotCarmelo Anthony on with his dope

(01:45:19):
dill of sunglasses, no tie.
We still can't get a blazer.
Like, hey Melo, can you take canyou take some accountability?
You're blaming everything oneverybody.
Hey, my nigga, you can put on asuit, dog.
Take your shades off for thenetwork show.
See, I'm on a podcast, I canwear shades.
All right, I'm sitting on acouch, nigga.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:40):
You know, well, but look, that's what Phil and
George were talking about.
You know, it's it's it's thattype of stuff.
He doesn't buy into the team,you know.
Pardon our behavior, huh?
Yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff.
But yeah, no, it's odd becauseyou just would think that
Peacock would want to get somemore money, too.
Even if it was, you know howthey have like like on Hulu
sometimes there's like thepreset commercial, they're not

(01:46:01):
even like commercialcommercials, but they're like
30-second, 45-second commercial,but they're like just like
spots, right?
That they that they put onthere.
They're not even commercialcommercials, but it's like a
commercial.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:14):
It's activity on the TV.
Yeah.
Not a fucking screensaver,nigga.
Yeah.
With with hip hop elevatormusic.
Hey, you were telling me aboutuh Ken Kenny Smith.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:28):
Yeah, Kim Smith.
Uh is he about the same sortingbecause he's the ESPN nigga now?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kim Smith signs a multi-yeardeal with uh ESBN.
He will now be a member of thefamed Car Wash.
Um, let's see.
Let me pull up all the details.

(01:46:49):
He will be appearing on FirstTake.
He will be uh calling games andalso gonna be on NBA Countdown.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:03):
Can can I just raise my hand and throw something in
here?
Because I know we got 13 minutesleft.
Go for it.
Sources tell notice thatMarjorie Taylor Green wants to
run for president in 2028.
Put a pin in that and let'sfinish Ken Smith because I think
this is some Georgia shit thatwe could probably close out on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:19):
Okay.
Um yeah, so Ken obviously,probably the right guy out of
all the new people that they'rebringing in uh to do this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:31):
I think it's not a bad move, but obviously Chuck
and Shaq were like, uh, umbecause they're not good
analysts, they're not they'renot good car wash analysts,
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:41):
And and Kenny will be able to do it, and I think,
especially on a show like FirstTake, where you get Kenny Smith
to go head to head with uhStephen A.
Because Stephen A is gonna havehis opinions on basketball, but
Kenny Smith's gonna be able tokind of check him on just about
anything.
Kenny Smith, people don'trealize this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:59):
Kenny Smith was getting interviewed for GM jobs
while he was working at turn andhead coaching jobs, and yeah, so
but you also know Steve, uh youknow Kenny Smith was involved
with Stephen A getting shitright with Kyrie because New
York nigga, they got somesimilar ties, yeah.

(01:48:20):
And honestly, Stephen A is gonnatalk differently to Kenny
because you know when Stephen Aget around athletes that he like
actually respects.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:28):
Well, anytime he gets in a real athlete's face,
besides like the RCs and and andlike the niggas he grew up, he's
like he's like, Yeah, I rememberwhen Kenny Smith came out of New
York and went to North Carolina,like and and like a similar path
as me.
I was in New York, and then Ialso went to North Carolina,
just the AT.
Okay, okay, okay.
Let's let's uh what's the stateof state?

(01:48:50):
Trip.
Well, either way, he went toNorth Carolina nigga.
That's my point.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:53):
Hey, and just throwing it out there, hey, we
are Morehouse niggas, and I wantpeople to be very clear we love
and support people going toHBCUs, but inside of our own
community, we shit on most ofyour HBCUs.
So, like them North CarolinaHBC, them public HBCUs, uh all
them shits run together, ifwe're being honest.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:10):
Yeah, none of them if you're not if honestly, and
it's no shots at anyone else.
I love Savannah State, I lovepeople that went there, all
that's us up, but realistically,if you're not familiar, Howard,
Hampton, Morehouse Spelman,Morehouse Spellman, we give I'm
I respect Clark.
Um Tuskegee, Tuskegee, that'sreally it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:33):
I mean with you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:35):
I I don't well, I don't want to shit on like Fisk
or anything.
Niggas don't go to Fisk.
I know TSU people talk about TSUtoo, but like I shit on TSU.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:43):
One of my best friends went to TSU, and I shit
on.
He also liked to make like thesekind of jokes about Morehouse,
and I'm like, hey, hey, hey,relax.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:55):
Well, it's a part of the culture there.
We weren't a part of thatculture, but that is a part of
the school.
Yeah, I mean, it exists, butlike, yeah, but they're all
separate entities, you know,they do their own thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:04):
We got 10 minutes.
Uh, but I think Ken Smith isgonna be a great addition to
ESPN.
He's gonna provide actually goodanalysis.
Uh, I think uh if we can get himand Dick Jeff like talking
basketball on TV, I think that'sgonna be really good because
Richard Jefferson's a goodanalyst, and honestly, put him
with well, imagine with legs.

(01:50:24):
I mean, legs is great.
No, I'm just talking about on onthe on the network show.
Now, when it comes to beingyeah, when it comes to being in
the booth and stuff, ESPN.
Hey, hey, all you niggas, getaway from these three-man
booths.
That shit is raggedy.
Yeah, it's not enough airtime.
We need a play-by-play guy and acolor guy.

(01:50:47):
But they got brain and legs.
I I like Breen, I like legs, Ilike Dick Jeff, uh, I like Kenny
being there.
Uh, I see what ESPN is doing,and what it really looks like
they're doing is they're eithergetting ready for a Stephen A
presidential push or they'regetting ready for Stephen A
after this five-year contract tobe put in a position where uh he

(01:51:09):
he's gonna have to move aroundor take less because ESPN is
getting back to what sounds likeESPN is getting back to what
they used to be, is a team withgreat starters and a deep
bullpen.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:21):
Yeah, and uh with speaking of bullpen, who knows?
You might get maybe we get JoeBuck to call some ESPN baseball.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:32):
Or maybe they'll just come hire us.
You know, we'll move to Bristoland work for y'all.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Just give me a call.
Uh also, shout out just becauseI know we're we are running low
on time, and we didn't reallytouch the World Series, but
obviously, World Series Dodgerswin.
Uh as a Braves fan, we didn't, Ididn't want that outcome.
But, you know, it's kind of coolto see a team that is somewhat
of a dynasty, a little bit uhpossibly getting born here right

(01:51:59):
before our eyes.
Uh Mookie Betts getting hisfourth ring.
He's got he's the most amongactive players.
Freddie getting his third.
Um I didn't like what you didthere at the end, Freddie.
When you catch the uh out, youdid the same thing you did in
our World Series.
I get it, your first base, andyou already knew and you were
gonna do it.
The putting up the hand becauseit's kind of iconic for us.

(01:52:19):
It's like, yes, like we finallygot over that hump.
But um, 50 million viewers uhfor the World Series, which
doubled the NBA finals uh on aninternational stage.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:30):
Well, we don't know that the NBA's international
viewership rates.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:34):
Well, they still doubled it, point being.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:37):
Uh shout out to Freddie Freeman for killing the
worm.
But when you got up and did thelittle twerk at the end, come
on, bro.
Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:47):
But um, let's do the picks first so we get that out
the way, and then maybe we cantalk about uh this Marjorie
Taylor Green stuff because uhyeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:58):
Okay, go for it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:59):
I already got uh everything saved here, so
alrighty, ladies and gentlemen.
It is time for Paula P's CollegeFootball Six.

unknown (01:53:18):
Six, six, six.

SPEAKER_00 (01:53:19):
You put a lot of pepper on that one.
All right, so without furtherado, let's get kicked off with
some Big 12 football.
We got Iowa State at TCU.
Uh I like Iowa State plus sevenand a half.
Kind of an odd spread here.
TCU's not really that good.
That's a large number.
Let's go Iowa State seven and ahalf.
Next, we got UNLV at ColoradoState.

(01:53:40):
Uh Dan Mullen coming off of aloss and potentially trying to
get some interviews for one ofthese head coaching vacancies
because he will get interviewedagainst the Colorado State team
that fired their coach.
Give me UNLV on the money line.
Uh, next, we got Northwestern atUSC.
That game's actually gonna be ona Friday.
I love USC, minus 13 and a halfat home.
They should smoke uhNorthwestern.

(01:54:00):
Next, we got Georgia atMississippi State.
Interesting.
I didn't, this was a weird lineto me.
Uh, we're gonna take Georgiaminus nine.
I don't know why they wouldn'twin by double digits.
I know that Mississippi Statetook it down with Texas,
whatever.
Give me Georgia uh minus nine.
Next, we got Indiana at PennState, another really confusing
one.
Don't even have to buy the pointhere or do anything with this
one.
Indiana minus 14 and a half.

(01:54:22):
They've been whoopingeverybody's ass, and I don't see
any stop to it.
Then finally, we got LSU atAlabama.
Sucks that this game is notgoing to be nearly as good as we
were hoping.
Uh, but I believe that Alabama'sgonna thump LSU because LSU at
this point knows that theseason's over.
I mean, guys are alreadydropping out and stuff too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:38):
So Bam on the money line or Bama?

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:41):
Uh no, minus nine and a half.

unknown (01:54:44):
All right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:45):
All right, so we got uh Iowa State plus seven and a
half, UNL V on the money line,USC minus 13 and a half, UGA
minus nine, ND minus 14 and ahalf, Bama minus nine and a
half.
We like the favorites this week,baby.
And now it's time for Paul Ape.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55:04):
NFL six.

unknown (01:55:08):
Six, six, six, six, six.

SPEAKER_00 (01:55:10):
All right.
Uh juicy slate in the NFL thisweek, too.
And the further that we getalong, it always seems like it
gets just so much better becausenow we we start to really
understand who these teams are.
Uh, but without further ado,we've got the Arizona Cardinals
at the Seattle Seahawks.
I think everybody knows exactlywhere I'm going here.
Give me the Seahawks minus sixand a half.

(01:55:31):
Uh, the type of ball thatthey're playing right now, I
don't see anyone that can stopthem.
And even though Jacoby Rossettedefinitely gives the Cardinals a
better chance of winningfootball games, not against that
football team.
And especially because theyplayed so well on the road, and
now it's gonna be home.
It's fine for them to finallyput it together at home.
We're gonna take Seattle minussix and a half.
Then next, we got the PittsburghSteelers at the LA Chargers.

(01:55:52):
That's gonna be our Sunday nightgame.
Low over-under.
They got it at 43 and a half.
Let's go over 43 and a half.
Uh, I expect there to be justsome more points because
Pittsburgh's defense isn't gonnaplay as well.
Then next, another lowover-under.
Uh, Jacksonville Jaguars at theHouston Texans.
Obviously, CJ Stroud is gonna beout, but 36 and a half is just a
tad bit too low as far as I'mconcerned.

(01:56:13):
I like over 36 and a half in theJaguars at Texans.
Then next, we got the Vikings uhhosting the Baltimore Ravens.
I like Minnesota plus four and ahalf.
I I like what you knowBaltimore's gonna have going.
They got that win.
They got kind of half by.
We're gonna take Minnesota plusfour and a half here.
Then next, we got the DetroitLions at the Washington
Commanders.

(01:56:33):
Uh, I like Detroit to get thebounce back win.
Give me uh Lions minus eight.
And then finally, Eagles atPackers.
Monday night football.
I like the Packers minus two.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:45):
All right, so we got uh Seattle minus six and a half,
Steelers at Chargers over 43 anda half, Jacksonville at uh the
Texans over 36 and a half, theVikings plus four and a half,
the Lions minus eight, and thePackers minus two.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:01):
That is correct.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:03):
If you like it, then I love it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:06):
And when you love it, that means it's time for
Leeds three.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:10):
Lee's three.
All right, so this week forLeeds three, we're gonna go a
little college heavy.
Give me UNLV on the money line.
I like Dan Mullen out herecoaching for a job because
goddammit, Florida shouldn'thave fired his ass for Billy
Napier.
Give me UGA minus nine becausewe're the real dogs around here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:32):
Yeah, exactly.
Fuck it, Cowbill.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:35):
And then lastly, on the NFL slate, as I look at
this, you know, I I'm conflictedon which direction I want to go
in, but let's just be real.
Give me Seattle minus six and ahalf.
They beat those guys bytouchdown.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:47):
Yeah, they've just been playing too good a ball.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:49):
Yeah.
So those are the picks for theweek.
We've got two minutes left.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:57):
Two-minute drill.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:58):
Uh, any thoughts on Marjorie Taylor Green uh
possibly running for presidentin 2028?

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:03):
Uh she won't win.
That's that's really my mainthought.
She's not gonna win.
Um, I do like some of the stuffthat she's starting to come
around to, to be completelyhonest with you.
But at the same time, she's notgonna win.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:16):
Yeah, I think she struggles to win uh because
she's she she says she has agood relationship with the
president still, but she has uhtaken on MAGA uh by calling out
their bullshit, especially withthe Epstein files and keeping
the government closed and thestuff that they're the way
they're not thinking about.
Healthcare healthcare.
So all of that stuff actuallymakes sense of what she's been

(01:58:38):
saying.
Uh if she is serious about thisrun for president, because she
has found some people on theother side who are going, okay,
she's not that crazy.
Uh she's making a lot of sense.
She cares about people.
So, you know, if there is awoman in today's climate that
could win, uh she possesses alot of the qualities that that

(01:58:58):
um could help her out as asouthern uh Republican-leaning
white woman, as opposed to asuper liberal like uh Hillary or
a woman of many differentdiversities like Kamala.
This actually may be one of thebetter candidates from a
candidate point of view, but atthe same time, like I doubt it

(01:59:20):
works.
I doubt the Republican Partygets behind her.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:23):
Yeah, no, they're not going to.
And the thought would be thatJD's probably gonna end up
running.
I mean, that just is kind oflike the foregone conclusion.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:31):
Yeah, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:33):
We get advanced newsome race, huh?

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:35):
Exactly.
But hey, uh, New York haselected a communist.
Uh I don't really think it's acommunist, but that's what
people say socialist communists,however you want to put it.
But he's their guy.
We'll see what comes from there.
And uh, thanks for a great showthis week, Parlay Pete.
You guys have a great week now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:51):
Alrighty.

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