Washed and Winning: Big Penix Energy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Forgot to do that.
We're live.
You want me to put the 30second counts.
You know what?
I'll put the countdown in.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Here it goes, hey, pete, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
We are doing good.
How is the Imperial AC Leedoing today?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
You know I don't think I'm Imperial, but I'm not
too bad.
I'm, you know, just living lifedoing.
Was it hood rat things with myhood rat friends?
Know what they say.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I've heard it before.
I didn't realize that you werein the hood and you were doing
hood rat things.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh, I'm definitely not.
I'm hanging out with LeBron.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Uh-huh, what do we have there?
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Is it a cozy?
Yeah, lebron James cozy?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh cozy, Excuse me.
Yeah, not a cozy but a Cousyyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
You know we're big fans of LeBron James.
Over here we support him.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Where's the Lobos tequila, then asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know, due to budget constraints, we're not
drinking Lobos right now.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, I go $50 for a fifth, when you can go $44 and
handle.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Look, I'm with you, there's.
You know, one day we're goingto have a show it just won't be
today where we break down eventhe schematics of liquor buying.
But yeah, so hood rat fans.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Let me just throw it out there real quick.
A lot of you Spend way too muchon liquor and it's not aligned
with your palates.
You're buying Overpriced, notgood tequila.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Like You're drinking a Neho.
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much,pretty much, you're drinking a
Neho or like a Super Neho orDouble Neho, whatever right.
When you have a what's therocks?
Tequila, a Terramana you have aTerramana Reposado Palate.
You're just spending too muchmoney and you're going to get

(02:47):
just as drunk and your tastebuds don't even need your liquor
to taste as good.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, I think a lot of this is for show and tell.
That's why a lot of people do alot of different things.
They do things to be seen andheard and noticed and ultimately
, at some point, praised.
That's the ultimate goal.
I think that a lot of peopletake from it, and it could be
something as simple as buyingliquor, but you know, if a chick

(03:18):
gets and I mean not just makeit exclusive to chicks- no, no,
no.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Make it exclusive to chicks, you misogynist pig.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I'm not misogynist at all, but if a chick gets a new
rack, right Okay, she's going topost it on Instagram, right
Like, she's going to always bewearing bikinis.
There's always going to be thisshow-off type thing.
Now, even if they're natural,even if they're not purchased,
it still happens to this day.
That's why Instagram is such amarketing machine and it's you

(03:49):
know essentially what.
What will we call Instagram?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I would call it a model agency at this point.
That's what you think it is.
I do.
I mean, I don't think we're onInstagram modeling.
Follow us on Instagram.
Watch the winning pod.
You know we post.
That't think we're on Instagrammodeling.
Follow us on Instagram.
Washington Winning Pod.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's because we're consumers.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Washington Winning.
We're not consumers Washington.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Winning's not a consumer.
This is a product but, like ingeneral personal pages, we would
be considered the consumer.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Oh yeah, consider the consumer.
Oh yeah, on my personal pageit's uh sports, uh a little bit
of uh black entertainment, mediagossip and smut.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Oh yeah, my friends and people I know like stuff I
actually like right, yeah it, it, it's, it's, it's something
that that markets this type ofstuff to us.
But my point and even saying isjust in general is most people
are going to show that stuff off.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Well, I mean Texas.
They showed off their Heismanfavorite quarterback on Saturday
.
What'd you think about that one?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
The same way that Vegas thought about it.
He dropped down to nice, whichmaybe now the value is there to
hop in, because he should have abig game against San Jose,
which we'll get to the collegepicks later.
But yeah, I didn't like what Isaw ultimately, of course,
because we did have them winningand they did not.

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That falls under the washcategory.
But yeah, I think that Texascould have played a lot better.
It's the first game of the year.
It's a tough spot.
In reality, you had to goagainst the defending national
champs on the road at noon, yeah, so I don't think I didn't take

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too much away from it from thestandpoint of Texas is done.
I don't think that Texas is done.
I don't think that ArchManning's done, but what I do
think is that Sark's got somework to do and that's about as
close to a non-SEC opponent thatyou're going to get to an SEC
opponent.
So it's good practicing to getit out the way.
They get their slappy this weekand, yeah, we'll see what they

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do.
But all in all, I came awayunimpressed by Texas offensively
, I think.
Defensively they were great.
Obviously they held on to 14points.
His play calling in the redzone was atrocious.
I think that this was more ofan indictment on Sark than it
was Arch.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
So with Arch, I think Arch was given too much praise
by the media.
I think that in their game oflike farming and and and
engagement farming, they talkabout arch Manning because they

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know that's going to do numbers,but nothing about what arch has
shown us says he should be aHeisman favorite and not to say
that he's not capable, not tosay that he's not ready to to to
to lead texts to a 10-winseason, the playoffs big bowl

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game and possibly go get draftedearly.
He may be capable of doing that, but nothing about what he's
shown us says that Because wecould say, hey, he couldn't beat
Quinn Ewers out and Quinn Ewerswas like a fifth round pick,
six round pick, you know late,right, you know.
So if he's the top guy, heshould have been able to beat

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out Quinn.
So I'm saying that.
I say that Arch was expected todo too much by the people who
don't know enough, and then thatmessage was projected out to
the people who are listening tolearn, which is why you know we
have this podcast, washingtonWinning.

(07:58):
You should listen to us becausewe try to actually level set
and we're not out here, we'renot engagement farming telling
you what we really think andwhat we believe, and we try to
disclose level set and we're notout here, we're not engagement
farming, telling you what wereally think and what we believe
.
And we try to disclose ourbiases too.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Right and I think a lot of people would maybe look
at this and say, well, theseguys have an SEC bias because
they're based in the South.
They grew up around SECfootball.
Sec football has been about asdominant as Atlanta Rap over the
last 25, 20 years.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
That's great foreshadowing, Pete.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, well, you know that's top notch, we'll get to
that, but I'm sitting here now.
I had to pull it up.
You know, texas ran the ballpretty well.
They ran the ball moreefficiently than Ohio State.
It felt like Ohio State maybehad gotten the opportunistic
runs when they needed to.
So if it was a third and threethey somehow would pick it up.

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But all in all the run game washeld in check.
They were under 90 yards.
Sane only threw for 126 yards.
Jeremiah Smith had 43 yardsreceiving.
They held these guys in check,but it came down to what did
they do in the red zone?

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And in the red zone they wereone for three Over two.
You know, oh, yeah, yeah, whatif you count the red, like the
20?
But over two, yeah, I do, yeah,and so I think that overall,
yeah, over two in the goal line,yeah, and so I think that
overall, they were inefficientin that red zone and that's what

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ended up costing them the game.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Pete, can we tell the truth about this?
Go ahead.
Sark and Arch are mediadarlings, so they were blown up.
That's why we made Texas numberone with a brand new
quarterback, despite Ohio Statedefending national championships
, having a track record underRyan Day of being a top tier

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college football team, a teamthat makes the playoff on a
regular basis the 14 playoff,not the 12 team playoff.
Right, there's no reason whyohio state shouldn't have been
number one if you make texasnumber one because of the new
quarterback.
Now, if clemson's your numberone because we know who kate k
club nick is and we believe whatdabble's doing there different

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conversation but we didn't dothat.
But we love arch manningbecause he's a manning and, for
one, espn's in business with theManning family.
So you better talk nicely.
And we know that ESPN will sellthemselves for money, a la the
NFL now owning 10% of ESPN.
We know who you are, right,right, we know, and, hey, we'll

(10:44):
still work for you, but we justknow who you are.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, camera.
No, no, we didn't tell you toturn that way, didn't tell you
to turn that way.
Camera, hold on.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
But then you have robot cameras where it just
moves around.
Yes, what we got.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, and then we got Arch here.
You know Arch, know arch, a guyagain who's a media darling yeah
so we bump him up and thenvegas puts him as the favorite
for the heisman.
Hey, people, when you look atthe favorite for any major award
in sports, that's not actuallywho vegas thinks is gonna win,

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it's who vegas can't afford towin at their actual odds.
That's why the Lakers and theCowboys have high odds every
year when they're the whisperthat they can be decent, because
the sportsbooks can't afford toprice them at their proper odds

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because of how many fans theyhave and how much money gets put
on those players.
There's a reason why vegas getsbigger in a in a recession you
know what I mean.
Like you gotta be you, and Iknow this because we study vegas
you as a gambler, me as abroadcaster.
Right, but you people will goon the worldwide leader and

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other top-tier sports networksand talk about well, this guy's
the favorite and he's notplaying up to well from a
gambling perspective.
He's not really the favorite.
Because the favorite?
Because the book is coveringtheir ass first.
They're absolutely coveringtheir ass first.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
They're absolutely covering their ass first because
, again, like you said,ultimately these odds and stuff
come about based on action,Exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Hey, real quick, real quick.
Parley Pete.
And that's why, again when hesaid, these lines become of
action.
If an analyst is regularlyAgain what he said these lines
come become of action.
If an analyst is regularlyreferencing Vegas as to why they
are picking a team to dosomething, you need to

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understand that analysis isflawed.
That is flawed analysis.
Vegas could be a part of whatyou build into your predictions,
but you should just not pick ateam, especially when we're
talking about over-unders,long-term four-season
championship-type stuff, evenMVP-type stuff, heisman-type

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stuff.
You can't always follow Vegasto validate that player's talent
or that team's talent, becauseit is also a response to the
money placed on that team orthat player.
So again, this is inside andout, because I don't work for
any of these networks, I'm justtrying to by shitting on them on

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them.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, and I think that that's a fair way to get
people to understand that thisis not just because you hear
this why Texas is one.
Now look, texas is one becauseyou got the coaches poll.
Then you have the writers wholook at it on paper and they say
to themselves well, ohio Statelost their quarterback, ohio
State lost their offensivecoordinator.

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They lost another top receiver,a first-round receiver.
They lost some alignment.
They lost their two runningbacks.
Texas didn't lose as much asthem.
Texas did lose both of theirwide receivers.
But Arch Manning is a ManningLike.
These are the things that playinto that stuff.
And look, I mean I'm not goingto say that they got me, but
they did kind of get me.
They got me but they did kindof get me.

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They got me caught up in thehype of who Arch Manning is and
me thinking the fact that he hadmore playing experience than
Julian Sand and is a class aheadof him, that he should be more
prepared for the situation,which I'm not going to say that
he wasn't, but that first halfwas less than stellar.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
And again, sark versus Ryan day might have been
the most underrated matchup ofthe day, or maybe maybe sark
versus matt patricia, but that's, that's the matchup and that's
the wrench into it where, yes,the quarterbacks are pretty much
unknowns, but maddie p, that'sa total unknown.

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So you can can't even watch oldOhio State defense to get an
understanding of what thedefense is going to do brand-new
coordinator and you can'treally watch Ohio State offense
as a predictor of what they'regoing to do, because brand-new
quarterback.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well, isn't it funny though because this is where it
kind of came down for me and whywe had this conversation on
Saturday Again, that pedigree,right, peyton Manning and Eli
Manning have gone against MattPatricia's defense.
They both have yes, socertainly they know his
tendencies.
Whether, obviously, withcollege it's probably a little

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different, it's apples andoranges, but they're still
fruits.
Obviously, with college it'sprobably a little different,
it's apples and oranges, butthey're still fruits.
He still had an understandingof what he likes to do, whether
that's, oh, he's a pressure guylike Flores or he loves to do
man and he likes to have thissafety that's in a special

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safety, where he kind of readsthe defense and he's going to
blitz, depending on what youshow him.
There's these little nuancesthat I felt, like Arch and I'm
not saying his uncles do this,because then it would turn into
basketball, aau, basketball.
Now we're listening to people'sparents and family members as
opposed to the coaching.
So I asked the coach for areason.
I'm sure that Cooper and themare hands off on it, but when

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they do get a chance, I knowthat they talk to them.
There's no way that they don't.
It would be a disarmament to himif they didn't.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
But you know what, as we kind of wrap this Arch piece
up, arch hasn't played enoughfootball to know how he responds
to the changes, even if heknows the changes are coming.
And I say that to say Quick,vulnerable.

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Second, I didn't know howtransitioning my life with my
estranged wife From CaliforniaWill play in South Georgia until
I actually lived it out.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You can know that certain behaviors will exist.
So, again for Arch he can knowthat Matty P is going to do this
, but he doesn't know how he'sgoing to respond to what Matty P
has the to do this, but hedoesn't know how he's going to
respond to what Matty P has thedefense do and if that execution
actually works.
Because, think about it, archcould have known what was coming
.
He could have fixed theblocking, oh, but they still got

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through.
We don't know how Arch respondsto that until he gets put in
that situation.
So again, this goes into why wedidn't believe in anthony
richardson and why I think archis going to come back for a
fourth year.
Is it's about getting the repsand seeing these different looks
and being able to respond tothese different looks to build

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your floor before you become anNFL quarterback?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, and it's growing pains in general, like
you said.
I mean, he started in two gamesand played in a handful outside
of the two that he did startlast season.
And you know again, he wasgoing against UTSA and Rice.
Like you know, those are theteams that he played.
So I think, all in all, thejury is still going to be out on
them in Texas.

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I don't think that they haveanything to worry about until
they get deep into SEC play.
Certainly that Alabama gamedoes not look very daunting at
all.
I think everybody's off onAlabama, which I guess we could
just transition in general there.
You go.
What we saw this Saturday.
I think that we were on thephone and we talked about it.
I said who's going to be theteam that gets upset, that's

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ranked playing an unranked team?
And we both, basically at thesame time, were like Alabama,
yeah, and that's exactly whathappened.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
And shout out to Castellanos.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
though Castellanos looked like Kyler Murray out
there.
I thought that when he playedat BC seriously, I always kind
of was like man.
He kind of reminds me of KylerMurray a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Because he's a fast midget.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, and he had better talent around him at
Florida State Even a bad FloridaState team from last year,
their return guys, plus whoeverthey recruited, plus the portal.
He was going to look betterthan he ever looked at Boston
College and he made noise atBoston College Like Boston
College was ranked when he wasthe quarterback.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So, like you know, he lost his job at BC too, though
yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
They had a freshman.
Look, when you're in thatbetting cycle I get to know
about everything and I watchedBoston College and the guy that
they did take over him helped Meand Justice both thought man,
this guy looks like a stud.
Because he did, he looked likehe had an arm.
Bill o'brien, you know he likesto run things a certain way too
.
He's another one of those typeof guys that likes to run things

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a certain way, and I think thatcastles wasn't a good fit for
what bill o'brien likes to do,so that's a part of why I think
he moved on and, just in general, he went to Greener Pastures.
Anyways, I'd much rather be thequarterback of Florida State
than I would Boston College.
So like it worked out foreverybody in that situation.
But, lee, why are you calling?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
me.
Hey, my name's Skeeter.
I'm calling in Mr Feinbaum.
Is this the Feinbaum line?
Is this Paul?
Try to call Paul.
P-a-w-l.
Try to call Paul.
Is this Paul?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, you're here on the Paul Feinbaum show.
What was your name?
Again, caller, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
My name's Skeeter.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Skeeter, where are you calling in from?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Opelika.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Opelika, Alabama.
Tell me, Skeeter, what did youthink of what you saw on
Saturday?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
You know, here in the great state of Alabama you know
we're conservative here, stateof Alabama, you know we're
conservative here and there arecertain acts that women claim
are their rights.
And again, skeeter, woman, dowhat you do.
There are certain things thatwomen can do with their bodies,

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her body, her choice that wedon't like here in Alabama.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Women can do with their bodies, her body, her
choice, that we don't like herein Alabama.
Well, Skeeter, I'm not tryingto cut you on your time.
I've got a lot of callers here.
What does?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
this have to do with Alabama football.
I set up on Saturday afternoonat 3 o'clock, 3.30 pm and I had
to watch something that totallygoes against my beliefs be put
in front of me on nationaltelevision and I can't get down
with that.
Let me tell you something here,paul, that Kalen DeBoer I guess

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he thought he was the guy andhe could coach.
Because of what he did withMichael Penix and all of that we
don't know what the hellMichael Penix is going to be in
the NFL.
But I tell you what here, mrPaul Feinbaum, this is not
acceptable at Alabama football.
It's one thing for us to getbeat Now we don't ever get beat
in week one.

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You know this takes us back tothe Shula years that we forget
about.
That don't really exist becauseof the Alabama fans.
We only acknowledge the BearBryant years and Saban years.
That's what we're talking about, our legacy.
But no, we don't get our asskicked by a team coach, by Mike
Norville, not in Tuscaloosa,unacceptable, and I think he

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should be fired and I think thatthe boosters should pay that
$70 million.
I don't have season see Texas toAlabama, I only watch them on
TV.
But I think the boosters shouldpay them to leave and we get us
a guy, a guy like Lane Kiffin,a guy like Sark, a guy who knows
the SEC.
You know, maybe go try to poachKirby from Georgia.

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We go get a guy who knows whatwe're doing.
Maybe we bring Jeremy Pruittback, because Pruitt knows how
to run a program.
He knows how to run a programthe right way.
Now that we got NIL here,pruitt can do all that bullshit
he used to do, and he can do iton the front end.
So I think that's how we shouldrun our program.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Paul Well Skeeter, we do appreciate the call, as
always.
Look, I was just as shocked asyou.
Kalen DeBoer seems likesomebody that is used to
coaching prep school because hewas not prepared for that game,

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and I think that when I look atsomebody like Kalen DeBoer now,
I put my name on the line.
I've got Ric Flair tweeting metelling me that I don't know
anything.
And you know little does Ricknow.
I know that he's got CTE fromall those years of taking bumps
from Hulk Hogan.
May he rest in peace.
But at the end of the day,skeeter, the Alabama problem

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will not be solved for anotherfew years and there's going to
be growing lumps that come fromit Paul, can we?
Bring Saban back?
I don't know, Skeeter you'dhave to ask Nick.
Only him and the boosters knowwhat would happen.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Miss Terry, bring Nick back to Tuscaloosa.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Is this you out here trying to make your plea?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
This is Alabama football.
We don't want Dee Boer turningus into Dee Whore.
We don't get fucked, we do thefucking in Alabama football.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well, skeeter, we do appreciate the call.
We don't typically allowcursing on the line, but we've
allowed it there and your pointis, it's heard.
We understand it, you know.
Look, I was down in Atlanta forthe SEC media day and one of

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the things that I kept hearingfrom a lot of people that I just
didn't want to believe was thatthese guys are going into hotel
rooms.
They're bringing theirgirlfriends they're, they're,
they're, they're drinking beers,they're, they're staying out
past curfew.
It seems like it's more of adiscipline problem than it is a
talent problem.
You know, ryan Williams, he, he, he dropped a lot of passes in

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that game, but Ryan Williams didnot cost him that game.
You know, you could blame thison Ty Simpson.
You could blame this on anyone.
This falls solely on the czar,that is the head coach of
Alabama, and that is CalebDeBoer.
Hey.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Paul Paul you don't have to go no further.
You can get the rest of yourcallers, skeeter, signing off
here.
You understand the problem.
And the problem is the head ofthe snake, and it's that D-whore
, d-boar, skeeter out.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, skeeter, we do appreciate the call and we look
forward to hopefully having youon the show moving forward.
But yeah, just as a finalthought in general, alabama did
not show up.
Hopefully they'll show out nextgame, but it won't really
matter until we get to see themagainst some more real
competition.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Hey, man Parley, pete , now that we're out of our
character roles, doug, what thehell is Alabama doing?
They were playing, it's one.
The hell is Alabama doing?
It's one thing to lose, right,it's one thing to lose.
I think you and I were on thefence about Florida State to
where we could say they may betrash but they may be really

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good and they just had a badyear.
Then spirits got down and itjust didn't work out.
But Norvell, he hasn't beengreat, but he's put together
some really good teams.
So they're under-ranked butthey could be the 14th best team

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in the country right now.
We just don't know.
We've got to see it.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well look, I don't think that got to see it.
Well.
Look, I don't think that a lotof florida state boosters fans,
uh, anyone honestly expectedthem to win the game, but it
wasn't unheard of.
If they did, and it's becausethe talent pool is almost the
same.
So it's not like like, yes,alabama should have superior
talent to Florida State Even now, like, let's scrap Jimbo, let's

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scrap Saban.
Alabama should just have bettertalent than Florida State.
They should.
No, they should Today.
They should, Coach for coach,program for program.
Today they should have been themore talented team that won it.
That's why they were atwo-touchdown favorite.
Like they should be moretalented.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I don't know if they should be more talented simply
because Florida has more talentthan Alabama and Florida State
has a rich enough history,although they do have to share
talent with Miami and Universityof Florida.
They have enough talent in thatstate to where, even if they
don't have the same momentum asAlabama when Alabama's riding

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high.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
And again, the way Jimbo was able to build that
team was Florida State hadenough off of being Florida
State and then they get enoughpeople who want to go to Florida
State that I think in any givenyear florida state can be a top
five team in the country, justoff of location and legacy yeah,

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they've proven that.
I mean, I'm with you 100 percentthat, like certain programs, I
can't ever say they they be moretalented when you're talking
about your Florida States, evenyour Floridas, your Georgias,
your Miamis, your Ohio States,your Michigans, your LSUs, you

(28:54):
know, I know I said a lot of SECteams, because these are a lot
of teams that have so muchtalent that that team might be
7-5 and that same team might be11 and 5, but that same team
might be 11 and 1 too, you know,because they just have so much
talent, nfl talent that performshigh at the NFL level.
You know we're talking aboutNFL factories here.

(29:16):
We're not talking about youknow, we're not talking about
shit Ole Miss, ole Miss withLane, yes, ole Miss with Lane.
Yes, ole Miss is not an NFLteam.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
They're a second-tier team, a third tier, I'd say
second.
Now, the reason I say second isbecause of Lane.
Like the program itself isthird, but I'm saying them as a
right now, like would you besurprised if Ole Miss made the
playoffs this year?
I wouldn't, so that's whythey're second tier.

(29:47):
To me, first tier is nothingbut title contenders, and
there's only seven of those.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I think Georgia's second is a second tier program.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
So, okay, you just don't believe that Georgia's a
blue blood now, and that's whyUSC is a blue blood.
But USC is a.
To me they're a third-tierprogram, maybe second.
Okay, they're friends second,that's fair.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
But I'm saying in my brain, if I put Georgia as a
second-tier team, ole Miss is atier below Georgia.
So I just want for ourconversation we got a level set.
So if you're going to makeGeorgia top tier, georgia and
Ole Miss are not on the sametier.
Can we agree to that?

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, that's what, but I wouldn't put Georgia in my
second tier.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
So you put Georgia in your first tier.
So okay, I just wanted to makethat clear for the audience.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Florida State's a second tier program Today.
Like I'm talking today, we'renot talking historically.
Today they're a second-tierprogram.
Like Oregon is a first-tierprogram today, but historically
they're a second or third.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Historically today they are because they're a
playoff contender.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
They're a national championship contender.
We've got to get out of collegefootball in five minutes.
No, we are.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
We are Oregon.
Get out of college football infive minutes.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, we aren't.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Oregon is not.
Oregon is not.
Oregon is not first tier,they're second tier.
They ain't won shit ever, evenwhen they're good.
We don't believe that they'llwin because they're Oregon.
They're like old Georgia, oldClemson.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
You can have a first tier.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
You can have a first tier roster, a first tier jersey
selection, a first tiercoaching staff and you will be a
second tier team until you wina championship as Oregon,
because they have not won oneyet, they can't be first tier.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
But I agree with you.
I'm just saying, as of todaythey are.
They've been title contendersfor three years now, and
obviously even in the chip kellyera, they did go to a national
championship second year.
No, I I agree if we're doingthe totality thing, but today
they're a first tier becausethey have a chance to win a
national championship.
That's all I'm saying.

(32:02):
They were the number one teamin the country and went under.
They lost, they lost, but I'msaying they were still the
number one team in the countrylast year and went undefeated in
the regular season.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
So like I don't, want to Go ahead If your son said
hey Dad, your son's a four-starright, which means he has his
pick of the litter.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
He says, Dad, I want to go to the NFL and win a
national championship.
You're not discussing Oregon.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
No, I would.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
At the end You're like, oh yeah, you get some
flash to the Oregon, so it maybe worth your time.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, I would tell him to take the visit.
No doubt, no, no.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I'm talking about your talk, like he's taking his
visits and he says hispriorities are NFL is one Win, a
national championship is 1A,and I want to pair these two
together.
Oregon's not in your top tierof colleges, bro.

(33:17):
It's not Because you don't.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
How many teams can be in a tier?
Only five.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I don't know the number, but I that there is a a
difference in thought, like ifhe tells you he's thinking about
clemson, georgia, ohio stateand oregon, oregon's number four
would be or, or.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Honestly, I would tell him to go to oregon before
clemson.
But that's just my opinion.
Um, not because I don't think,not because I think oregon's a
better program than Clemson, butthat's just my opinion.
Not because I think Oregon's abetter program than Clemson, but
because I think theopportunities to go to Oregon
would be better.
But no, I would absolutely tellthem Georgia or Ohio State, if
you've got offers from Georgiaor Ohio State.

(34:01):
That's who it's down to.
We're not discussing Oregonfrom that perspective.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
But I'm saying based on his position, because you
think about his position, thecoaches, what they have set up,
what their track record is right, he says I want to go to the
NFL and win a nationalchampionship Once.
He lets you know and you say,hey, what about this school?

(34:29):
Right, better NIL, good NFLpipeline.
You know one of them, schoolslike like Herm Edwards at
Arizona State right, you knowyou can go play for Herm Edwards
at Arizona State.
You're not going to have goodcollege success, but if you're a
pro prospect you're going toget drafted members at Arizona
State.

(34:49):
You're not going to have goodcollege success, but if you're a
pro prospect you're going toget drafted high because he's
the NFL guy, right.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Good conversation and good you know overall, just
setting you up for the NFL.
I mean it's similar to Colingoing to Alabama to play for
Avery.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Johnson yeah but again like, hey, like the
coaches who called me to askabout you, these are my friends,
so like they're going to valuemy recommendation way
differently than when they callanother program, because we
silent and I'm actually going totell them the truth and I ain't
got to worry about them goingon record with this shit.

(35:25):
You know what I mean, or evenput it out off the record so
like, but you would not putOregon in that conversation.
If you know that winning anational championship was
important to your son, I'm notgoing to believe that you would
put Oregon over Clemson.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I just can't believe it.
As it stands today, I would Look.
I mean, I know that Clemsonplayed LSU, but like they're 0-1
and Oregon's 1-0.
Oregon went undefeated lastyear and was the number one seed
.
And then fucking Phil Knightjust sat up and said how much
money he's donated.
No I would definitely tell himto talk to Oregon.

(36:02):
That endowment, that amount ofmoney, they're not eventually,
Oregon's put it this way.
I'll go on the record as sayingand we can look back at this
within the next three years, DanLang will win a national
championship at Oregon.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
They're just going to be able to do it.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
There's too much working to their advantage.
Outside of the idea thatthey're in Oregon and Oregon,
I've never even been to thestate of Oregon, one of the few
places I literally have.
I've never been to Portlandeven, but Eugene, I know, I know
, is an hour and 30 minutes away.
Like you're not going to beable to beat the idea that Nike,
like this, is a direct Nikething, like, just like going to

(36:36):
UNC is a direct North Carolinathing, which, really, speaking
of that, let's move on to thatreal quick because we've got to
wrap up college.
Just real quick thoughts.
Bill Belichick coaching debut.
We got to all see it on LaborDay.
They came out firing 7-0.
Look, they showed MichaelJordan, who was up there in that
suite with Mike Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Somebody else, though too notable I don't remember, I
don't know it was some big wigsin there.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
They were all North Carolina alum.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
You know, Skeeter was bothered about seeing certain
things on TV that he doesn'tbelieve should happen yeah.
If I'm a UNC fan me and Skeeterwe're feeling the same thing at
the end of week one.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, look again, I think it's too early to judge
Absolutely, but we were all soit's weird I didn't put it in
the picks but like I took TCU tocover that spread and nobody
should be surprised that theylost that game.
Now I'm a little surprised theygot blown out the way they did,
honestly.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Like I am surprised that they got beat like that.
Hey, let me tell you something.
I was listening to Gil's newfootball show and they were
talking about it yesterday andyou know Skip has not many good
words for Bill Belichick at all.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Naturally, and Akeem Tlaib was like you know.
He played for the Patriots.
He was like he said.
We held Brady to 13.
Now Bill took my second chipaway from me.
We held Brady to 13.
I was supposed to have anotherring, but Belichick held McVay

(38:39):
in golf to three In the SuperBowl.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, Like we held hey with a top-tier, Todd Gurley
.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
But think about Aqib Tlaib, a guy who played in New
England, who knows who BillBelichick is.
Although he didn't win a SuperBowl there, he was great.
There he goes to Denver, wins aSuper Bowl and that great
defense that carried PeytonManning, and then to go to the
Super Bowl against Tom Brady, ateammate and a foe.
You hold Tom to 13.

(39:08):
When you had Peyton and thatwas bad Peyton- that's as bad as
Peyton Manning could be.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Not even rookie year, peyton, was that bad Right, but
that Denver Peyton Manning.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
if you hold Tom to 13 , obviously he'll get you across
the finish line.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
They scored that.
Tom Brady had no passingtouchdowns in that game.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Bro, so Judge, I know .

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Mr.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Super Bowl, not Wes Welkert.
Julia Edelman was Super BowlMVP, wasn't he?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Cabrera didn't do nothing.
So imagine being a key to leadand hearing somebody tell you
that Bill Belichick can't coach,when you're like, no, no, no.
I played for him and I wentagainst him in the Super Bowl
and we did exactly what wewanted to do defensively and we
lost.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
And we had our way.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
And it was because of his defense.
So I say that to say that Billneeds time to build his program.
But if Bill can get the rightkids in who buy into what Bill
is preaching and I will say thatwhat Bill is preaching is very

(40:32):
hard to get people to buy into,especially in today's society If
they can get the people to buyinto it, they're going to be
coached.
Well, coaching's not theproblem.
Maybe relating to the peoplehe's coaching is the problem.
But the actual X's and O's, Ican't believe that's the problem
.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, nobody should have thought that Gio Lopez was
going to go in there and lightshit up.
But to close this out just realquick, because we've got to get
to Ratlanta At the end of theday.
Bill's not going to be there todo that.
That's why his contract's setup the way that it is.
There's going to be atitle-ready team that will be

(41:10):
signing him this offseason tocoach in the NFL.
I highly doubt that he'll beback there.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I'm not going to argue with you about it, even if
I don't agree with you.
I'm not confident either way.
Yeah, but let's talk aboutAtlanta.
I mean, I don't know how longthe conversation goes between
two law-abiding collegegraduates who grew up outside of
Atlanta but spent aconsiderable time in Atlanta.

(41:46):
You live in Atlanta, you know,we go out in Atlanta and we
never looked up to any of thesepeople and I don't know why any
of this matters and people aresaying, oh, what's happening to
Atlanta?
Let's go talk to academics, thenot the most non street nigga
alive, and have him explain tous why this shit in the streets

(42:07):
is wrong and be the conduit forthe conversation when it's like
hey, make slaps, atlanta got hotoff of rappers making slaps
yeah.
Atlanta will stay hot if rappersmake slaps, and for you people
who think this street shitmatters, y'all are a small

(42:30):
microcosm of the hip-hop cultureand y'all are the people who
don't go to concerts.
Y'all are the Falcons fans whosay that you like Michael Vick
over Matt Ryan, but you neverbought either's jersey and you
never watched either of themplay in person.
Y'all are the ones.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
They were tailgating their ass off though, weren't
they?
Some of them didn't even bringa bottle to the, to the damn
tailgate.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
And some of them and some of them went to church and
got home at one, at one 15, andmissed the first drive.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah, and again, I think that that gets deeper into
the real issue with hip-hop and, in reality, one of the things
because they've been leaking somany Young Thug jail
conversations.
You know he brought up KendrickLamar and he did bring up Drake

(43:29):
.
He's stupid, no, but what hesaid made total sense, in a
sense of when you look atsomebody like Kendrick Lamar,
kendrick Lamar, in a weird way,is like a lot of his mystique.
Yes, he's a great emcee, but alot of his mystique is the idea
that he is the unknown.
He is not somebody that hops ona lot of people.
Mystique is the idea that he isthe unknown.
He is not somebody that hops ona lot of people's records like

(43:51):
he doesn't do it.
Drake is the opposite.
Drake hops on a lot of people'srecords but he makes them hot
and like.
This is what young thug said.
They're not my words, this iswhat young thug said because
it's true.
Drake doesn't help feed so manyniggas families because he has.
I know he has.
I don't even know personally.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I'm not going to lie to you if this topic was going
to turn into you glazing drink.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
I'm bringing it up because it's part of this, but
it's getting to my point.
But it's getting to my point, mypoint is my point is is that,
at the end of the day, that, tome, will be the bigger downfall
for atlanta?
In a weird way, drake is still,to me, the biggest artist.

(44:39):
I mean, taylor swift's thebiggest artist in the world, but
he's the biggest hip-hop act inthe world.
It's not kendrick lamar, it isdrake.
Drake is a bigger artist thankendrick lamar.
Check your spotify or you don'tdo spotify.
Check any of that stuff.
Now that the dust is settled,drake still has more monthly
listeners because he's got morehits, which is just, it's just

(45:03):
fact.
But at the same time, if youlook at somebody like Kendrick
and the type of music and who heappeals to, he does not cast a
net over the world.
Drake has a worldwide web andthat's why it introduces people.
He did not put the Migos on bydoing the Versace remix.

(45:23):
He did not put them on.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Can you tie this back to Young Thug?
I am, I'm trying to On yourknees.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Well, look, lee, look , I get it.
You don't like Drake, Iunderstand.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You favor Kendrick Lamar orDrake, you don't not like Drake,
you favor Kendrick Lamar overDrake.
That's okay.
No, no, no's not true either.

(45:50):
What the hell am I on my knees,then, if I'm telling the truth?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I mean because you are just glazing Drake to make
your Young Thug point.
Make the Young Thug point,nigga.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I'm making Young Thug's point.
That's the point.
The point is that that's whatYoung Thug said.
I didn't say that I'mregurgitating it and I'm adding
in the wrinkles of if you lookat all the Atlanta artists which
is how the last verse on NotLike Us, how it kind of goes
into that he named a bunch ofpeople that Drake made music
with that all have seen muchmore success.

(46:24):
2 Chainz is still great.
I remember Teddy Boy fromfucking Duff still great.
I remember Teddy Boy fromfucking Duffel Bag, I remember
these people, I'm not sayingthat he put this is my point,
though he didn't put them on,but to act as if his recognition
to stand next to these peopledidn't propel their career more,

(46:44):
it'd be a lie.
It would be a lie.
That's a lie in reality.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
No, that's false on 2 Chainz bro.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Okay, no, I wasn't even like that big of a record,
but I'm just simply saying no,no, no.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
If you're going to bring it to 2 Chainz, then you
bring it.
Well, because he's one of thepeople he named, I'm just naming
now, I'm just going with thepeople he named but like, if
you're going to bring insomebody who may have really
propelled 2 Chainz, I would sayit would have been Kanye more
than Drake.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I agree.
Same thing Like push the teeth.
Okay, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Let me finish.
Let me finish Because, yes, 2Chainz had hits with Drake right
, whether it's 2 Chainz song orthe Drake song.
But when Drake struck that ironKanye already stamped it, 2
Chainz was already booming andthen Kanye was the nigga who

(47:47):
brought him around.
Good music, because I do notbelieve that two chains was ever
official.
Like on like he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
He was never on that, he was never part of the label
but he was good music associatedand good music working.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
So if you want to say that like two chain like like
like kanye was the nigga wholike elevated this nigga from
like really good to to likeexcellent, I'll hear Kanye, but
not Drake, because Drake onlytapped in with two chains when
also two chains was on his run.

(48:20):
He was hot.
Like like the Migos isdifferent because Drake took an
Atlanta hit and made it anational hit right Then they did
Bad and Bougie.
Which brought more eyes to them,which is my point for Drake,
but it's not about Drake, butyeah, when 2 Chainz was on his
run, drake was also who he was.

(48:41):
So when they put shit together,it was hot, but Drake wasn't.
It wasn't like we thought this,he was signed to good music and
he wasn't, you know I mean.
So I'm gonna put that out thereand I know I over talked it,
but continue your point, becausewe've all lost it, because I've
cut you off.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
No, you're good, but like, but it gets in.
I brought him up, but likeagain, even with young thug, why
he said what he said you.
You look at a track like DannyGlover.
Danny Glover was fucking hot incollege, was it not?
That was a record.
I always hated Stoner.
I still think Stoner is one ofthe most garbage tracks I've
ever heard.
But Danny Glover was like thatstreet song in Atlanta, so it

(49:24):
was more regional.
It was Atlanta, but I'm sure inAlabamaabama clubs and south
carolina clubs danny glover wasbooming too right a track like a
danny glover.
You got 808 mafia on that.
But then drake and to me thebiggest breakthrough for for
young thug was uh, ain't aboutthe money with ti.

(49:45):
Like that was to me the songthat put Young Thug over.
Like, if I use wrestling terms,because that damn near is what
rap's turning into.
It is wrestling.
Well, I guess it always kind ofhas been, but it put him over.
Like that was the song that putit over for me.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
You want to hear a forgotten Young Thug song that I
was supposed to be in a video.
Me and Borg was supposed to bein a video.
Me and Borg was supposed to bein a video for Stoner.
No, this was in between it was.
Stoner.
No, I'm telling you, this songis in between Stoner and and.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I don't know this track.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I know you don't.
Is that over a million views onYouTube?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I just know that he did Stoner on Parsons Because
Tatiana and this other dude thatJustice.
They were both in the video.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
So this video, this song I was playing, mars shot
the video for this video, thesong I was playing, marv shot
the video for it and it wasbefore.
I want to say Nikki hopped onDanny Glover.
No, no, it was before.
No, it was actually beforeStoner blew up when he shot it.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
But Stoner was already out, but it just hadn't
blown up.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
But Stoner went crazy .
Between the time Marv shot thevideo and the time he was ready
to put it out, Thug had signedthe Rich Gang deal.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I'm probably saying shit I shouldn't say on
broadcast because, well, fuck it, I don't care.
Hey Marv in London, like somarv couldn't get into contact
with with thug in london andhe's like hey man, I'm trying to
release this video incoordination with you all.
He ended up shooting the backend of the video and then ties

(51:44):
in the footage he has withtrader truth and thug to make it
a full video and then ties inthe footage he has with Trader
Truth and Thug to make it a fullvideo and then drops that shit
on Worldstar and like he didmillions on Worldstar instead of
me and on YouTube.
But me and Boink were at theinitial video shoot.
We were supposed to be extrasin the video.
We ended up not shooting thewhole video.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, you told me about it.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Oh yeah, no, because me and London almost got into it
because I didn't know who hewas and he was a little he's
like hey, nigga, I'm theproducer.
He was a little too aggressivefor me and you know I ain't on
that shit.
Well, you know how we like that, go ahead and race that horse,
yeah.
So it was funny, because me youdon't think about me and it's a

(52:33):
problem that I have, thatsometimes I'll go in
environments and I have my wayof conducting myself as a man
and that sometimes like runs, incontrast with what people who
have egos and and have backingand and and and and they've been

(52:54):
elevated, uh, by society andthey've been pampered by those
around them.
See, I don't be playing that,and not because I'm
disrespectful, it's just becausewhen I go into the bathroom and
I gotta drain my main vein, Itake my hands, I put it in my
pants and I grab it and I allowthat to happen.
Right, that's me.
I'm a man, I stand up when Ipee.

(53:15):
So then he do it all this likeoh, you both know who I am.
You're the producer, I respectyou.
I ain't going to disrespect youbecause I understand you are
not the man on the front of thecamera.
I'm not going to remember whoyou are.
It's no disrespect to you.

(53:35):
No disrespect to you at all.
London on the track.
Nigga, I don't know who you are.
I know who Young Thug is.
It's a 6'4", 154-pound niggawith a long-ass dress.
I know him.
I'm a stunner.
I'm a stunner.
I'm a stunner.
Yeah, nah, I know him and Iknow we got London on the track,

(53:57):
but that's all I know you as Iknow you as a soundbite, nigga.
I don't know you as a face.
No disrespect If I see Londontoday hey, it's love.
Hey, you've been amazing.
Shit you did with summer walker, the shit you put her through.
Hey, great music, it's dope.
But in 2013, 2014, I don't knowyour face.

(54:20):
Your face card ain't that goodyet.
You are like, you're acelebrity among celebrities, but
you ain't a celebrity amongstthe common folk yet, and I think
people don't really understandthat yet.
Just because you can move inthose circles and be respected
by those people as aprofessional, it doesn't mean
that you have a face thateverybody knows.

(54:41):
But you know what.
I'm going to pass this off toyou and I'm going to rush my
racehorse.
And you know what.
I'm going to pass this off toyou and I'm going to rush my
racehorse.
And you know what.
I'm going to leave a topic withyou before I go.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Well, I'm just going to go ahead and close it out.
While you do that, and by thetime you get back, I think we'll
be ready for our NFC preview,along with our NFL superlatives
and predictions for the season.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Hey, do you have two minutes to pray for Pablo Torre
Like, can you just send up aprayer for Pablo?
Well, of course.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, we'll set that up as well.
But all in all, I think thatultimately, you know, when it
comes to the Ratlantaallegations and everything that
is talked about, atlantaallegations and everything that
is talked about, especially whenit comes to the face of kind of
you know, the rap universe, atthis point it's one of those

(55:36):
things where everything haschanged.
And personally, I mean I'm nota street dude, I'm not in the
streets, I mean I live here, ofcourse, but certainly, being
from here and being a part ofhere, I look at it just as one
of those things where you knowit's changed.
Like I can already feel thechange, like you can just feel
the change.
But atlanta has already beenchanging for what it's worked.

(55:58):
For a long time now atlanta'sbeen changing.
So this is nothing new.
Um, atlanta has already beenchanging so this is this is
minute from that, but I feellike this is kind of the
breaking point.
This is when the levy actuallyfalls over.
But I think, like AC just said,at the end of the day, if you
make good music, you make goodmusic and the people will listen

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.
The people will, it'll be hot.
If it's hot, it's hot.
But I do think that we'restarting to see kind of the end
of Atlanta being like the faceat least, and so I tied Drake
into it because I do think thatDrake ultimately will.
He's somebody that coulddictate it in general.

(56:44):
But we'll see.
Did you pray for Pablo ingeneral?
We'll see how that goes.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Did you pray for Pablo?

Speaker 3 (56:52):
No, you went pretty quickly, but we can go ahead and
say a prayer for him, because Ithink that Pablo he's exposing
all of the.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I almost cursed hard, didn't I.
He's exposing all thecorruption in sports and we love
what he's doing, but I don'tknow if he's going to be allowed
to continue doing what he'sdoing.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
He's a staple in the game all of his papers together
but I like it, though.
It's sports journalism and it'ssomething that we haven't seen
in a while Real reporting.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Isn't it funny, though, that First Take talked
about the Kawhi thing, but theydidn't talk about the NFL
collusion thing.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Well, yeah, the NFL owns 10% of ESPN now and that
deal had been in the works for Ihave to imagine it wasn't a few
months, maybe a year.
I bet that that's been going onfor like a year.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Years probably negotiating the percentage.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
That's why all their talent, that's why Rich Eisen,
even though he was on Roku withhis show but he was also still
NFL Network.
That's why, peter Schrager, allthese people, if you notice,
look at how seamless they kindof made it too.
Like you know, I'm a big RichEisen guy, rich Eisen stuff.
He talked to Troy Aikman andthe ESPN page.

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He was on the Rich Eisen show,but the ESPN page posted the
Rich Eisen clip.
Now Rich Eisen still has hisRich Eisen show clips where he
shows everything, but the TroyAikman clip was specifically
posted to ESPN's YouTube.
So stuff like that shows andtells everything I need to know.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
You know, and I really hate that for us because
you know we're independent mediaguys, yeah, and we just want to
get information and get it outto the people.
And although we want todefinitely make money off of it,
we don't.
I don't think we ever want tobe compromised right, like if.

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Like if the nfl offered us adeal, I think we'd have a long
conversation about what thatwould do for the show, and I
know my conversation with youwould be can we take this offer
elsewhere so we're not directlytied to the NFL, and get the

(59:24):
same coin or get enough cointhat we'd accept?

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, and you know, I think that certainly for this
show specifically, I'd loveespecially and who knows what
doors are going to open up withTNT essentially being ESPN2 now,
because they're going tocontinue to keep that office
here.
So I feel like ESPN is going tohave this southern footprint

(59:53):
and they know that that's goodfor business because of college
football, at a bare minimum thatthey could have an ESPN down
here In reality they could.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Hey, if y'all want us to cover the Falcons, the Hawks
, georgia football, georgia Techfootball, basketball, y'all
want us to cover the Falcons,the Hawks, georgia football,
georgia Tech football,basketball y'all want us to talk
about that shit?
Oh boy, we'll watch and studythe fuck out of it, won't we?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Absolutely, absolutely.
But with that being said now,that moves us to not Falcons
first, but the NFC preview tofollow up.
Last week, after we did the AFCAll, right, man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
So let's preview the NFC.
What division do you want tostart with?
You know the NFC, it feels morelike home for me.
The AFC yeah, we talk, it'simportant.
It's the division that probablygets the most ratings, right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
now.
Well now it doesn't matter, butit was.
It was always the home of theCBS and we obviously are more
Fox watchers anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I mean, I'm not a Fox News guy, but I'm a Fox Sports
guy like nobody's business.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, that's why we love ESPN getting Troy and Joe,
because we were like, makessense, they're the best in the
business.
As a team they're the best.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
So fuck it, let's go NFC North to start it right.
I think that's a great place tostart, because the Packers just
acquired Michael Parsons rightbefore the season started.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And look, you know it's funnybecause we're starting off with
them and I know that we eitherwould always go up or down.
And my thought was, honestlybefore, micah Parsons I hate.
It's not that I hate that hegot traded there, but like so,
even without Micah Parsons, myprediction was always that the
Packers would win this division.

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I thought that Jordan Love hasto have that breakthrough this
year.
Obviously, they made theplayoffs.
Last year they lost to Philly.
I always liked the Packers.
I think that they have awell-balanced team and I think
Josh Jacobs as a running back isjust what they needed and
there's still enough tread onhis tires to where he can still

(01:02:11):
be that workhorse.
People didn't talk about hisseason because of how good
Saquon and Derrick Henry did,being two guys that also
switched teams, but they bothdamn near ran for 2,000 yards.
Josh Jacobs quietly had a greatyear.
I mean he had almost 1,400yards, he had 14 rushing
touchdowns and you know, I'msure he did a little bit in the
air too, but he was a workhorse.

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He was a big reason for why hewas the straw that stirred the
drink for that offense.
And anyone that watches a KyleShanahan-type offense knows how
important having that runningback is and for them to move on
from Aaron Jones and not miss abeat and only get better.
It speaks volumes for LaFleur.
But I think that Green Bay isthe team that's going to win the
division.

(01:02:53):
I like where they are, butcertainly adding Michael Parsons
to me adds a prohibited type ofpass rusher, because I sent you
a graphic where they I didn'trealize they went three years
without a 10-sack guy because Ithought, like us, well, no,
we're eight, we're eight years,but yeah, well, that was what.
That's actually why I sent youthe graphic, but the graphic was

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brought up because of himgetting traded there.
You know, we were just, youknow, at the top of the list,
but I like winning the division.
I think that there'll be a 12and 5 type of team.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I got them winning the division.
I, honestly, I got them winningthe division.
Honestly, I got them winningthe conference.
I'm going to buy into thenarrative.
I'm going to buy into the bigmove, getting them over the top
and the NFC is weak right nowand they are a team that was
close.
They actually added anelite-level player to their team
and I think Jordan Love will bebetter next year than he was

(01:03:47):
last year because he's gettingbetter at pro football.
You know?
Yeah, it's just simply that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
That's a fair assumption.
But then we can just move on toDetroit, right?
Because I think a lot of peopleprobably have them slide at
second.
They take that step backbecause they lost both of their
coordinators.
Then just the idea in generalof, well, when you win 15 games
in a year, you don't have anychoice but to take a step back,
and that's just what I thinkeverybody thinks Detroit's going

(01:04:15):
to do.
I think they're going to stillbe a really good team.
They're a playoff team, nodoubt.
Like I don't think that they'regoing to miss the playoffs, but
they do take that step back.
Jarrett Goff had a.
You know, jared Goff was kindof in the MVP race by week 14.
He was in the top three.
He was playing just as well asanyone.
He had a game where he didn'thave an incompletion and then

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they had a game against theTitans where they scored 56
points.
I mean they did record-breakingstuff with that offense.
They still got Jameer Gibbs.
They still got David Montgomery.
They get back what's my manfrom Michigan, aiden Hutchinson?
You know a lot of people don'ttalk about that.
He was out after like week sixor seven.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
So they're going to be better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
They're going to be better.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
They're going to be better, but they lost Ben
Johnson and Aaron Glenn.
They lost both of theircoordinators.
That they lost both of theircoordinators, that has to say
something right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
No, I know, but I just said that.
I literally said you know, thething is is that, at the end of
the day, that is why they'regoing to take that step back.
It's still two new coordinatorsand they didn't bring in
somebody that was.
That is, a homegrown type ofcoordinator.
So you know something that weshould have probably did with

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Matt LaFleur once Kyle Shannonleft but I don't run the Falcons
and so, um, who knows, justlike how they're keeping it
homegrown.
Maybe there's that Matt LaFleurthat's sitting right there
behind Ben Johnson.
That was the quarterback coachor the passing and running game
coordinator, we don't know.
So they're kind of an unknownfrom that perspective.
I just don't expect them to dowhat they did last year, which
was win 15 games.
They're not going to be thenumber one seed in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
What about the Vikings?

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Step back.
I actually have them coming in.
Last, I think you know JJMcCartney had that one preseason
game and a lot of people suckhim off because of it.
I mean he did the.
You know he won the nationalchampionship, but that was a
super talented Michigan teamwith an NFL coach as the head
coach.

(01:06:14):
So I mean there's a lot ofdifferent ways you could toss
that up and look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
So you think Vikings take a step back, with Judge Jim
McCarthy missing Jordan Addisonfor three games.
Do you think that matters?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
I think it matters and I just think that he's going
to have growing pains comingoff of an injury and it being
his first NFL action.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Like the combination of both it doesn't mean that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
It doesn't mean I think Minnesota's a five-win
team.
I just think that they're goingto be like 7-10, 8-9.
Like, and that's good for lastplace, Like.
But that goes to show what Ithink of that division.
That division is probably thebest in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
So I haven't given much analysis here.
I'll step in right here.
Jj McCarthy hasn't playedquarterback to his potential
since high school, okay, and Idon't know if we know what his

(01:07:10):
floor or his ceiling is.
So I think there's a lot ofvariance with JJ McCarthy.
Okay, like you know, I was prothe Falcons going after JJ
because he's a five-star, he'sathletic and he can throw the
hell out of the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
He played for Jim Harbaugh, who didn't allow him
to be a good quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Jim, he is great.
Why do you think he didn'tallow him to be a good
quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Because Jim knows how to win football games and Jim
knows if I kick your ass upfront I'll beat you.
So I'm not going to leave it upto my quarterback for chance.
Way too much variance, right.
Same way he coaches in the inthe NFL, right, like you know.
So that I struggle pickingO'Connell over Ben Johnson

(01:08:13):
because you know I'm not abeliever in Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
It's circumstances, though.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Yeah, I know, and I don't believe in Caleb Williams.
I don't know what Ben Johnsonis without having a head coach
who creates a culture and a GMwho brings the guys in who
support that culture.
But in saying that Vikings arefourth in the division with a

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good record, the Bears are thirdin the division with a good but
not great record, but not aplayoff team.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
And I haven't done my picks.
Hey, can we do our over-understomorrow and run it like on
Monday?

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yeah, we weren't going to go through the
over-unders, I just felt like wewere going to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
No, I'm just saying can we do the over-unders
tomorrow?
At least get it recorded beforethe game comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Yeah, we need to get together at 5.30.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Whatever time works for you Like, at any point
during the day I can make myselfavailable.
Outside of like 9 o'clock Ihave an appointment, but other
than that, but yeah.
But in saying that, withoutdoing my full schedule breakdown
, all of that stuff, I think theBears are three.
I think who do I got it to theother team, the Detroit?

(01:09:37):
Detroit is two and the Packersis one.
Nfc West no, no, I want to doWest before we do the South.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Well, east will be relatively quick.
I think we all fully expect theEagles probably to win that
division again.
They lost a lot on defense butthey still have Vic Fangio as
the DC and they've actuallyalready drafted the replacements
.
In a weird way they're almosttreating it like college.
They kind of have already hadit set up.
I mean, think about it JordanDavis, kobe Dean weird way

(01:10:08):
they're almost treating it likecollege.
They kind of have already hadset up.
I mean, think about it jordandavis, nicole bd was on the
field more than jordan davislast year.
So now, with milton leaving togo to new england, like I don't
know, they're already kind ofset up defensively.
They're unproven in terms offull-time stars and I don't know
what the depth is behind them,but uh, they already drafted
their secondary essentially overthe last two years.
Big play Slay is gone, but Ithink that they're okay with

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that.
I mean, we saw what we saw inthe Super Bowl, so like they
look pretty good.
I think it's unquestioned.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
We both agree that Philly's going to be the best
team in that division thisseason.
I think Philly is the best teamin that division this season.
I think Philly is the best teamin that division this season.
I won't be shocked ifWashington wins the division
just off of the record.
That's going to bleed into myNFC South stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
So I would be surprised.
And it's not because I don'tlike Dan Quinn, I just think
that it's more along the linesof this.
We saw it with CJ Stroud and itdoesn't mean that it would
happen with Jaden Daniels.
But if you look at thecommanders, my thought is this I
don't know if you know thisthey're the oldest roster in the
NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Yes, I do know that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
And it's apparent, because you've got Von Miller,
you've got Bobby.
Wagner, these are the guys kindof tailing the defense.
They had the best season thatthey've had since 1991.
So the idea of them building onthat and exceeding what they
even did last year, which cameout of nowhere, it's hard to

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believe, especially when thedefending champs are the team
that's in your division andthey're already still so set up.
No, I don't see the Commanderswinning more games than them
this year.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Would the Commanders playing a second-place schedule
versus a first-place schedule?
And Von Miller, I'm with you,but Von Miller it's just like
Kansas City always playing afirst-place schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Okay, they still win the games.
They're still the big bad wolfgoing into that fight.
They are still the big bad wolfgoing into that fight, like you
know what I mean they are stillthe big bad wolf in the match.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Well, Parley P, you know I'm not the best with
predictions.
I'm the best at telling youwhat I watched.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
I'm not a big, I don't like to predict if I
haven't seen it yet, but playinga second-place schedule versus
a first-place schedule, both ofthem having similar division
records and splitting againsteach other, which I think is a
legit possibility, I could seeWashington having the better

(01:13:07):
record by like a game, but notbeing the better team.
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
I understand what you're saying.
I don't have a world where Ienvision unless Jalen Hurts gets
hurt or something.
I don't have a world where Ienvision Philly wild card
weekend playing on the road.
I just don't see it.
So, like again, I like DaytonDaniels, obviously it's not a
prediction.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
I'm telling you.
It's not a prediction, it isjust a conversation point.
I think that's worth having.
It is Because, if you're goingto put a gun to my head and say
NFC East Philly, I trust Howie,I trust Howie.
That's what it boils down to.
I trust Howie Roseman more thandamn near anybody in the NFL

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today.
Yeah, you know how I felt aboutBill Belichick.
Even if Bill Belichick wasn'twinning, I felt that Bill
Belichick was doing it the rightway.
That's how I feel about HowieRoseman.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Well, if you feel that way about Howie Roseman,
then how do you feel about JerryJones?
Because they will be the nextteam on this list.
We're not at this point.
We're not even going in order.
I think the Dallas is going tofinish last and I know that
sounds crazy, because they dohave Dak, they do have CeeDee,
they do have George Pickens.

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I think that they'll be similarto man.
Honestly, those Falcons teamsthat were going 7-10.
That's what I think that they'regoing to look like I think
they're going to look just likethe end of the Matt Ryan era
teams no-transcript.

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They did trade away their bestdefensive player and he was an
all pro player.
It wasn't like they just wedidn't, we just never had one,
but like they traded him away,they paid dorado dick made all
pro our Super Bowl year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Watch your mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
I'm talking about the later Matt Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
That's not a later.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Matt Ryan year.
Okay, the later, matt Ryanyears are anything.
When we didn't make theplayoffs, those teams Okay the
2019 on Matt Ryan teams, wewould score a lot of points.
I'm pretty sure the falconsprobably averaged 26 points, 25
points a game.
I would imagine we were rightin there because we would have

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some high school games but here,we're not on the falcons dallas
.
Their issue is is that they haveuh, they've got shouting
Sheldon Hirons as the coach,first-year head coach, all this
stuff.
Cowboys dropped this fuckingdoc.
There's like so much going onin Big D to where New Kung Fu

(01:15:58):
Kenny I knew that was coming.
It's so much going on there towhere New Kung Fu Kenny I didn't
know that was coming.
Go ahead, do it again.
New Kung Fu Kenny, I didn'texpect him to.
You know win games.

(01:16:20):
Look at that.
You threw me off with all thisKung Fu Kenny shit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
You threw me off with all the Kung Fu Kenny shit.
You were saying nigga, what didyou expect?

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Nah, well, look.
Either way, dallas, to me, isone of those teams where they're
kind of a I don't know whatthey're even going to really be.
I think we know what they'reset up to be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
They could win five games.
They could win ten games andnothing shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah, either way that it goes, I don't expect them to
win five games.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
They could win 10 games and nothing shocking.
Yeah, either way that it goes,I don't expect them to win five,
I don't expect them to win 10,but I would say that they're
closer to five than 10, but Iexpect them to be right in the
middle.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
I think they're gonna be like a seven win team but
here, hey, here, here's thething.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Parley p and I think we should hit on this.
We're not going to sit here andkill Jerry Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
For trading Michael Parsons Right Now.
Don't get me wrong.
I don't like what he got backfor Michael Parsons, but he did
get two first round picks and aPro Bowl, a Pro Bowl player that
he can insert into his teamthat they needed at that moment.
But if you're going to tell methat the right answer was paying

(01:17:33):
Micah $47 million a year, I'lltell you no, I'd say Micah
deserves to reset the market.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
And I can also say that Even if Mike is on my team,
you don't deserve to reset themarket by $6 million annually on
my team based on what we havehere in our cap situation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Now, if we want to shit on Jerry for waiting to pay
Dak, Mike and CD and thatmessing up the cap, skewer him
for that, Take him to Outback,put him on the Barbie or
whatever they call it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Yeah, the Barbie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
The Barbie and you cook his ass.
I agree with that.
But once we have one or twooptions, pay Micah $47 million a
year or trade him for twofirst-round picks and a Pro Bowl
starter.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
I'm sorry, or trade him for two first-round picks
and a Pro Bowl starter.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yeah, I'm sorry, micah, you got to go because I
may not be able to replace yourproduction in one player and one
salary, but I may be able toreplace your production for $41
million as opposed to $47million and in a hard cap league
like the NFL Well, like NFL orNBA, because the NBA is damn

(01:19:01):
near a hard cap now with thesecond April.
You know what.
It's in my best interest to letyou walk and get compensation
for you.
But again, I think we both canagree that Jarrett should have
made whatever move he was goingto make earlier, and it would
have been better for him.
It would have been better forhim Fuck both sides.

(01:19:23):
He could have signed Micah forless.
He could have also gotten moredraft picks, more compensation,
had he traded him earlier orlater.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Yeah, yeah, and the Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
I'm going to go to the Giants.
Do we give a fuck about theGiants?

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
I think that they'll be a lot more friskier than
people are anticipating.
I don't understand the RussellWilson disrespect.
Like they, the Giants mightarguably have the best pass rush
in the NFL this season.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
For the names on that if Abdul Carter is worth that
third Hold on before you makeyour point by saying they're the
best pass rush.
I think you're selling themshort.
Really, you think I'm sellingthem short.
I think you should say theypotentially have the best front

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front four unit in the nfl.
That's why I think you'reselling them short okay yes, all
right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
yes, you're right, that is not the appropriate way
to name them, but all I'm sayingis this that's what those
championship giant teams havebeen built on.
They're not a championship teamby any stretch, but I'm just
saying, if you look at thehistory of the Giants and why
Eli Manning has to even bebrought up in social media posts
for debates of Hall of FameDisgusting, it's because of that

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pass rush that they had.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
That D-line.
No, don't call it a pass rush,call it a D-line.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
But it was specifically the pass rush.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
The D-line had a great pass rush, but it was also
a great D-line.
They could also control the run, which then allowed them to be
a great pass rushing unit, and Ithink that's super important.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Sure Sure.
Look, I'm on your side, Lee,but I think we're on the same
side of this argument.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
I just want to make sure we frame it properly for
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(01:21:36):
Well, you can tell I ain't theinternet nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Yes anywhere that you can get your fix for content,
we are there.
But yeah, I mean, they're notmuch to talk about.
I think that they have a chanceto be better than the Cowboys
record-wise this season.
I think Brian Dayball obviouslyis coaching for his job.
I don't think that RussellWilson is that bad, and what

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Jackson Jackson Jackson Dart didshow in preseason was that he
looked pretty good.
But you know, we saw the samething out of the one game, out
of JJ McCarthy, so I'll hold myhorses until he plays.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
You know, if we did a four-hour show, I would really
go in that Russell topic andtalk about how Russell's been
totally disrespected as like abum and he should be viewed as a
mediocre quarterbackquarterback and not a guy who is

(01:22:34):
a bum.
I'm not okay with that, eventhough you know, and I think our
listeners know, I'm not thebiggest Russell Wilson fan.
But we're going too far withthe disrespect.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Yeah, and they're irrelevant as general.
Let's get to the NFC West.
I mean, let's start off with.
You know we'll start off withthe champs, the Rams.
Obviously, a lot of questionsabout Matt Stafford and his
health and that back.
You know we talked about thisearlier in pre-production the
epidural that they're talkingabout that he's going to have to

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get before this game with theTexans on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Can we like really be real about what epidural is?
And I wasn't in the room withyou when your daughter was born,
but I was in the room when mydaughter was born.
Maybe Cindy doesn't want theworld to know this, but they're
going to find out.
She had an epidural.
I watched them put that big-assneedle in her back.

(01:23:33):
That's not a normal shot.
The epidural need a longer thandick yeah it it is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
She had to get epidural as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I love you like me.
I was looking at him like damn,that shit going to go through
his stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Big-ass needle.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
It's intense.
I mean, there's no doubt aboutthat.
It's an intense thing, butobviously the pain goes away.
And she was damn near gettinghigh off of it.
I mean that was how it appearedto me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I got a funny story I can tell you off camera.
I know I can't tell you on thescreen, yeah but with the Rams
in general.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I think that adding Devontae Adams certainly is an
upgrade over Cooper Cup, whichis it's not crazy to say in a
sentence, but anyone thatwatches football knows that that
is an upgrade it was always anupgrade.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Even when Cooper Cupp was Triple Crown, it was still
an upgrade.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
I don't know about that, but because again he was.
Triple Crown.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
As Jalen Ramsey is top five receivers.
He didn't say Cooper Cupp, butthat was Cooper Cupp off the
Triple Crown.
He practiced against him.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
He said my man's name from East Palo Alto.
He said his name.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Yeah, well, either way, it's an upgrade.
Kyron Williams looks to be backin and they still got Blake
Corwin backing him up.
As long as that offense goes aswell as it should, the defense
is the younger side of the ballanyways.
I mean, they had the top twodefensive rookie of the year.
Well, they had the defensiverookie of the year, but they
also had the runner-up andthey're both pass rushers.

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So that's something you need inthe NFL.
I think that they're set up forsuccess.
Jarrett Burse was somebody thathim and Laktu Laktu were both
the guys I thought we were goingto draft, maybe at eight.
Those are the people I thoughtabout, but, like you know, we
got Pennix and we'll get to theSouth here shortly.
But yeah, I like the Rams tostill win that division.
I like the Rams to still winthat division.

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I think Sean McVay is the bestcoach in the division.
I think he's the best coach inthe division.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
You're fucking right, he's the best coach in the
division.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yeah, I had to hold myself for a second with that.
I was like, nah, he's a bettercoach than Kyle Shanahan, but
they're 1A and 1B.
Like I don't think that he's.
That Kyle Shanahan is still.
Kyle Shanahan has been to twoSuper Bowls in the last five
years and three NFCchampionships the only year that
he didn't like and he's done itwith injuries, so that's
something that Sean McVay'snever had to deal with.

(01:26:14):
Kyle Cunningham has taken threequarterbacks and went to the NFC
Championship and then had eventhat third string quarterback
get hurt in the first drive ofthe game.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Kyle Cunningham has dealt with a lot.
But you got to blame some ofthose injuries on the coaching
style too, because Kyleconsistently has injuries.
So I'm with you on the Ramswinning the division.
I'm all in.
Yeah, let's go, rams.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Rams house.
They say whose house Rams house?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
And I think the next thing that we would talk about,
naturally like damn playoffstandings, would be San
Francisco.
I think San Francisco'sfinished last in the division
and they don't go to theplayoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Well, they're typically last or first.
That is kind of how it's alwaysworked with him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Well, they're last.
I think they're going to belast again and I think that seat
heats up for Kyle Not that itshould.
I don't think it should heat upfor him Me personally.
I just't think it should heatup for him Me personally.
I'm speaking to the culture offootball Back-to-back losing
seasons, back-to-back not makingthe playoffs, and back-to-back
of him running players into thedirt, getting guys hurt before

(01:27:28):
the season starts.
There's a problem with whatKyle's doing over there and I
don't know.
I think they're third, I thinkthey're last in the division.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
So I don't believe that.
I don't think that they'll belast.
I think that, ultimately, whenyou look at San Francisco, I
look at a team that's going tobe based on their health.
They lost a lot of guys ondefense, just kind of like how
Philly did.
They lost some key players, butthey also have guys that got

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hurt that will be coming back.
All in all, that team is alwaysstill well-coached and
well-built because even whenthey do have the injuries,
they've always found a way, likeIsaac Garendo on a.
Thursday night game in Seattleran for 130 yards.
So they do this and they gotBrian Robinson Jr, which was a
nice pickup.
In case McCaffrey's not healthy, that's a good to go with

(01:28:22):
Garendo, that's a nice littleone-two punch.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
That tells me McCaffrey's not healthy man.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Well, don't you have insurance on your Carly?
I legally have to.
All right, so they should too.
They should absolutely have tohave an insurance policy, and I
think that that's all that.
That is, I just think that it'san insurance policy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
They ultimately have to have it.
You got them second in thedivision.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Yeah, I do.
I think that they're better.
I know Seattle will be reallyclose.
I think that they're going tobe.
That division is one of thosedivisions where 10-7 will win it
and the other teams can be 9-8,8-9, 7-10.
Like, I think it'll be thatclose that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Without me filling out my game-to-game, who I think
wins each game?
I think San Francisco's afrisky 7-9 team, me saying
they're going to finish fourthin the division.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
I don't 7-10,.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
yeah, I don't think they're going to be trash Like.
I think they're going to be aplayoff-level team on any given
week.
I just don't think they'lldeliver that week to week.
And you know, I think that itgoes against a lot that I
believe in with Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Because, of Sam Darnold.
Yeah, you're a big Darnoldbeliever.
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
don't you go ahead and tell people what you did
last year?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
No, I'm not.
Well, we made a trade becauseDarnold was playing well and I
was able to tie Darnold to JayJedis and that took my terrible
team to a place that wascompetitive and I was vying for
the playoffs.
To get in the back door now.
But again, that's not based offmy belief.

(01:30:21):
Yeah, it's not my.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
No, I said press the button.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Which one?

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
I was trying to get in the back door.
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
New Kung Fu Kenny.
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
My bad.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Kenny can catch himself, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
New Kung Fu, kenny, he's got to play it another time
, twice for good measure.
But you know I was.
I'm not a Sam Darnold believer.
I just believed in what he didlast year.
Because I'm not going SamDarnold believer, I just believe
in what he did last yearBecause I'm not going to lie to
you, I really want to pick theCardinals to go second in that
division.
I'm buying in, I'm buying in,I'm buying into what John

(01:31:08):
Gannon's doing.
I believe in Kyler's potential.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
And I believe in their ability to maximize his
potential more consistently.
I really want to be my numbertwo, seahawks three and and
49ers four.
But in saying that, from one tofour, no more than three games

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difference.
Like I don't see the Rams goinglike 13-4.
And then like four guys going4-13.
I see it being at best 11-6division, but like a 10-7
division with a lot of 9-8s,8-9s and 7-10s somewhere all in

(01:31:58):
there mixed up in these guys'games.
But I think it's time to get tothe division that we care about
.
Huh.
Hey, the most important divisionhere in the South there's no
doubt about it, I'm not going toplay the whole thing because

(01:32:18):
he's not our coach.
But you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
But we are going to run the piss out of the football
Because we've got the numberone pick that should have been
in most fantasy leagues.
Was he number one in our league?
He was number three.
He dropped a three.
He dropped a three for whateverreason.
I don't like it because Justicepicked third.
Yeah, dropped a three.
He dropped a three for whateverreason.
I don't like it because Justicepicked third.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Yeah, I know, that's why I'm sitting there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I don't understand why everybody would give him
that type of value.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
there, you know, I was sitting at four and you know
I'm on stream and in my brain Iknew B John wasn't a choice for
me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Yeah, you knew he wasn't going to fall past
Justice.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Literally.
You knew that.
No, not even Justice.
I didn't think he would fall tofour, so I didn't give a fuck
about where B John went in thedraft Shit.
I don't even remember who Idrafted first.
Who did I draft first?
I drafted Jay Jettis After Isaid I wouldn't go wide receiver
.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Well, you had to, though you were in a position
where it was too good to pass upone way or another.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
I'm not taking a risk on Derrick Henry, who would
have been my pick there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
When Jay Jedis is sitting right there.
I can't do that.
That's wrong, it's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
You know, Jay Jedis fell to me last year.
I got him at seven.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
I drafted before you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
He had to have been the second, or if not the first,
wide receiver taken.
I don't like drafting widereceiver first.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Did I draft B John last year in our league?
Yeah, you did.
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm going tothink because I didn't draft Jay
Jettis.
Who the fuck did I draft if hedropped that far?
Okay, I drafted B John.
That was the right pick.
Yeah, yeah, especially when youpair both of them on the same
team.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Yeah, and so look, I mean, you're a ball knower
yourself, I think we are.
Look, I mean, you're a ballknower yourself, I think we are.
No, I'm kidding, you're a ballknower, you get it.
And so, yeah, but here, falcons, obviously I believe we're
going to win the division.

(01:34:29):
I think everything points inthe direction that this is the
team that can be the dark horse,and it's not.
It really is not.
I promise you guys that this isan objective, biased view of
the team.
Yes, I am a fan.
Yes, I expect and hope thatthese things happen.
But everything kind of alignsfor it to happen and I'm going
to break it down for a while.
Very quickly, at the end of theday, the Falcons went 8-9 last

(01:34:52):
season.
We were 6-3 at one point in theyear.
So you do the math that meanswe went 2-6.
That's basically the secondhalf of the year.
Kirk Cousins was not healthy.
Michael Penks played the lastthree.
I thought he looked solid.
Certainly for somebody thatnever played in the NFL, I
thought he looked pretty good.
We know that the arm strengthis there.
We have the talented receiversRunning game.

(01:35:16):
Obviously, we just talked aboutthat.
Now the question is going to becan we generate a pass rush?
Can we set up to where, ifwe've got these leads, we can
maintain them?
Those are going to be thequestions that have to be asked.
I think Raheem is going to bethe key to whether or not that's
going to be possible.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah, so you know, I've been on the line because my
heart wants to choose theFalcons to win the division.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
My head wants to pick Tampa Bay to win the division,
yeah, but I see us as 11-6, 10-7, 9-8.
But I think we're a playoffcaliber team, and so that's

(01:36:05):
where I struggle with this.
Because, head coach, who's abetter head coach today, based
on what we know, Between whatCoach Rah, between Coach Rah and
Coach Bowles?

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Was Bowles today.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Yeah, who's a better quarterback, Baker or Penix?

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
From what we know, it's Baker.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Okay, we win the running back matchup, but Bucky
Irvin and that other dude whosename is slipping my brain right
now, they're not bad.
Correct?
Even though we're running back,they're not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
The discrepancy between the two isn't that far
off to where you'd have to dosomething ridiculous in terms of
a prediction now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Then you go to the receiver room.
Now Drake and Mooney shouldhave been 2,000 yard receivers
last year.
We don't know what a book isgoing to be.
We don't know what Chris bookis going to be.
We don't know what Chris Godwinis when he comes back, but we
know what Chris Godwin and MikeEvans have been.

(01:37:26):
We know that past the game.
And then they have Vita Veya.
They got Tristan worse they.
They, you, you.
Tampa has a good roster.
They got Tristan Wirfs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Tampa has a good roster yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
And when you start talking room against room,
there's not many rooms that wewin preseason, so my brain is
hard to pick them, but at thesame time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
I think our offensive line is better than theirs.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Even with our injury.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
They have Tristan Wirfs injured too, like you said
, so we're kind of canceled andthat's their best alignment.
That ain't our best alignment.
Our best alignment, theoffensive alignment that we have
out, it's unfortunate.
It just so happened to be theblonde side for a guy that
basically is a rookie.
So like that's the negative,Fair Defensively, their pass
rush.
Yeah, they've got Vita Vea, butthat's up the middle, that's

(01:38:14):
not pass rush.
I mean, I'm not trying to befunny, Kirk Cousins had a field
day twice against them, so likethere's that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Like our team-to-team comparison doesn't really drive
my analysis.
It's our team versus ouropponents, versus their team on
their opponents, and I'll tellyou when I actually calculate
the games up later tonight ortomorrow before we record it.
I may be singing a differenttune after I do it game to game.

(01:38:43):
Right but have you won thedivision?
The last?
What?
Three years, four years?

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Well, even more of a reason.
How often does that happen inmany NFL divisions?

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
It doesn't.
You know, this isn't the.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Braves in baseball, where teams just rattle off that
many in a row, it just doesn'thappen.
I think our time is now and Ilook at it this way and we
talked about this inpre-production, when you were
going to unveil your shockingyou know prediction.
I unveil your shockingprediction I still can't do it.
At the end of the day, bakerMayfield threw for 4,500 yards

(01:39:20):
and 40 touchdowns and they wonnine games and they got swept by
the Falcons.
So how much better can he be?
To where that changes thisseason?
I don't think he can be thatmuch better.
I think that the unknown ofMichael Pinnock it all comes
down to how good Michael Pinnockis.
I said this last week with theTexas prediction over Ohio State
.
How good is Arch Manning?
I would like to believe in thehype.

(01:39:41):
Now, that is biasness.
I want to believe in the hypeof Michael Penix, but
objectively I think he is goingto be that guy because of
everything that I saw in college, like so, and that's just an
objective stance on it.
But even subjectively, if youlook at it, kalen DeBoer looks

(01:40:04):
like a sorry piece of shit todayto everybody and he had Michael
Penix in Washington and inIndiana and that's how he got
the Washington job and then fromthe Washington job to the
Alabama job.
Now he don't look all that goodnow, does he?
I think Michael Penks has afucking rocket in his pants and
on his arm.

(01:40:27):
New Kung Fu Kitty.
Yeah, I set it up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
You got big Penix energy.
You got big Penix energy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
I am all on board.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
I will eat crow Sunday if he comes out there and
he shits the bed.
Now, if we lose the game and hedoesn't shit the bed, I'm not
eating crow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Will you eat cock though?

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Can we go to 10 after the game?

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
You know it always is going to depend, but would I
like to yes, okay yes, um, Idon't care to talk about the
Saints or the Panthers.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Well, we have nothing to talk about the Aints so we
can skip them.
But I will talk about thePanthers, just because they did
beat us in that last regularseason game and how hot, and
this will be a one-liner, damnnear.
But you know, obviously it'sall about Bryce Young there.
They drafted Ted McMillan orwhatever, we'll see how that

(01:41:29):
goes.
They traded Adam Thielen whodefinitely was his guy last year
.
They don't have a good defense,so that's a known thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
They got a lot of reference.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
I think that they will be a frisky team for the
average teams.
So for, like, the teams thatare the fringe seven like you're
Cowboys, you're seven and tento ten and seven type teams,
those are going to be friskygames for them, but the elite
will always take care of them.
So, and again, with the Saints,we don't have anything to talk
about, so we can move on Allright, matt.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
You ready to get to our award predictions, our
superlatives?

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Absolutely.
You name them out and thenwe'll just go, because I know
that we're running short on time.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
So for MVP I got Lamar and J Love, and that's
leaning into my Super Bowlprediction.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
So wait, one's your favorite, the other is the Dark
Horse, right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
Lamar is my favorite.
J Love is my Dark Horse.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Okay, I'm not mad at it, I hate to.
It's not even chalk, but Ithink because of how bad he's
played relative to his standards, I've got Pat Mahomes as my
favorite pick.
Yeah, well, because I like Pat,I do like Pat to have a bounce
back year.
Statistically, the Chiefs, Idon't think, are going to win 15

(01:42:44):
games, but they'll win 11 or 12, and he'll put up the numbers
again because he's got a healthyreceiving court and then it's
probably Travis Custis last year, but I'm going to take Pat as
my favorite and then, honestly,dark horse-wise, I would just go
out there.
I'll put my penis on the line,michael.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Penix.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Yeah, I do, but obviously I feel that way not
just because of the biases.
I drafted him in fantasy,that's the energy Rise up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Parlay, pete.
Sorry, I cut you off.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
We didn't even have this show but a lot of people
they might not want to hear this, but in our fantasy league I
drafted Lamar Jackson the yearhe won MVP the first year and I
took a flyer on him and it paiddividends.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
I won the league.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
So, like, I think that Michael Penix has a chance
to have one of those type ofyears, especially if the Falcons
win 12 games.
I think we're going to win 11,but, like, if we win like 12
games and we're, like you know,the second, third seed, maybe
who knows, maybe even one, don'tbe surprised if Michael Penix
throws for 4,000 yards and 35touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
So here's what I got for OPOY.
I got Bijon got for OPOY, I gotBijan for my OPOY and I got
Saquon as my dark horse.
And I know, if you look at theodds, it should be opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Considering last year .

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
yeah, yeah, but based on what I believe they'll do, I
believe that Bijan has the mostpotential for a better season
and a better narrative shapedaround that season that drives
the votes, than Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
I also don't expect Saquon Barkley to go
back-to-back 2,000-yard seasons,so, with him having a lesser
season and the team maybe notperforming at the same level
that it did the year before,even if he's performing better
or really well, it's not goingto be framed the same way, as
opposed to the Falcons having aplus 500 record throughout the

(01:44:55):
season and B John having a plus500 record throughout the season
and B John having a big season.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Okay, I think we're on the same page there.
So I do like B John as myfavorite and I know it would be
like, well, hold on.
So the Falcons just going tosweep the Lords yeah, this is a
Falcons show.
So yeah, I am going to say that.
But no, no, no, no.
But that's why Pennix is mydark horse.
I don't think he's going to winit.
But if I had to pick somebodythat nobody expects, I do expect
him.
But I do kind of expect Bijanto have that type of year

(01:45:21):
because I think that TylerAlgier will be used.
But I think he's going to kindof be phased out because he is a
.
It's going to be a breatherthing for Bijan, like, hey, he's
the wear and tear.
I don't think it's a matter ofoh, it's third down, let's not
put you in.
He's a better receiving backthan Tyler Algier.
Tyler Algier will be used forshort yards in goal line
situations, and my hope is thatZach Robinson has them both on

(01:45:45):
the field, like he did sometimeslast year.
I like the idea of having bothof them on the field at the same
time.
But yeah, he's my favorite.
And if I had to pick a darkhorse.
I'll tell you somebody who Idon't think a lot of people are
thinking of, that could havelike one of those years where
you're like, what did I just see?

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Tell me more.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Malik Neighbors.
I think Malik Neighbors couldhave one of those years.
I think that he could have a1,700-yard 15-touchdown year
because he doesn't really haveany help around him and he is
going to get the ball.
It's going to depend on hishealth.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
I know he's a little banged up, but with Russ I think
to start, and then even JacksonDarn if he can be somewhat even
what he was in preseason, Ithink Willie Davis can have a
huge year.
Okay, so for DPOY, we know whatthe obvious pick is yeah,
that's my pick and I don't havea dark horse.

(01:46:47):
Yeah, and I don't have a darkhorse, because I'm thinking
about who's going to beproductive, but also who's going
to have the story and this,that and the third that creates
that vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
And then who hasn't gotten it yet?
Because TJ's got one, obviously, Miles has one Miles has one.
Yeah, max doesn't have one.
Sir Tam got it last year.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Right, max doesn't have one, but I don't know if
they'll be good enough and Idon't believe in JJ Hutchinson.
I don't believe in Hutchinson,like, look at the odds.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Not losing his defensive coordinator.
No.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Yeah, like I just don't believe him enough.
So all I got is Micah, andthere's no other place in my
brain that I could provide aperson to our listeners that I
truly believed in, without justlooking at odds and giving them
somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
I'll give a dark horse.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
And that's Will Anderson.
Will Anderson will be a goodone to use because that defense
is going to have to play betterthis year.
They're projected they wereliterally the top-rated defense
in the draft.
I don't know if you saw that Alot of people expect a lot of
good things out of Texas.
He's got Daniil Hunter on hisend, he's got Stingley as a
corner and again their runninggame might be nonexistent to

(01:48:08):
start.
I think the defense is going tohave to do heavy lifting and
he's got a defensive coach.
He's a logical pick if you wantto go dark horse.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
So I'll say Will Anderson.
He was who I was thinking aboutfor dark horse, but I didn't
believe it enough in my heart topredict it.
But because you brought it up,I'll talk about it.
So for offensive rookie, Idon't have a leader in a dark
horse because I got one personon both rookie, on both rookies.

(01:48:38):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
So I'm going Travis or Jenty for offensive.
Uh, ricky, and again, that's.
That's based off of of of ofodds potential.
I doubt cam ward is good enough, because they have to win eight
games.

(01:49:01):
Yeah, I just don't think CamWard has enough around him and a
team that's going to be goodenough that allows him to be in
that conversation, even if he'sthe highest performing rookie.
So I'm going Travis Urgenti.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
I'm with you on that, I 100%.
I think that those would be thetwo favorites for sure.
But I would probably leanTravis because I think that if
he gets three interceptions buthe also has six touchdowns and
900, 800 yards, receiving with65, 70, catches you kind of
don't have a choice but to giveit to him.

(01:49:36):
I'm going to roll with TravisHunter as mine.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
For defensive.
This is fully my bias.
I got Travis, I got JalenWalker.
I really want to throw oldPierce in there too.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
I think that he's going to be in there too.
I do too.
That's what I was waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
I think.
I think that he's going to bemore of the pass rusher, anyways
.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Yeah, I think Pierce is going to be the sack guy.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Yep, and I think that even with that, I mean Lewis
Reddick said it, he saidsomething about him leading it
and I don't think he's going tolead the league in sack.
I don't think that, with thepass rush room that we have,
that it's far-fetched to believethat he could have a 10-sack
year.
I don't, I don't, I reallydon't.

(01:50:24):
So, like a lot of people, don'trealize this man and I know
you're Rocky Top you werewearing your overalls.
I'm sure anyone that followsthe page saw Lee wearing his
overalls this weekend.
But yeah, he was projected tobe the top pass rusher off the
board before college footballstarted last year.
A lot of that stuff was justyou know him.

(01:50:45):
It was personal, yeah, and so ifthe talent is the talent, I
mean no, no, no, but I'm justsaying there were some places
that were saying he could be thenumber one pick, Like that's
how, if you go back and look atYahoo Sports Bleacher Report,
all this stuff, there werepeople that were saying that he
was the best prospectpotentially heading into the
season.
So I'd like to see it come truewith the defensive head coach

(01:51:07):
and then with Ulbrich dialing itup, Because these guys are on
their last legs in the league interms of being in that position
that they're in today.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Hey, and you got to respect his swag because he did
bag Rekia Jackson and she is anattractive WNBA player but also
a famous WNBA player.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Well, you know, rekia .

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
But for him to lock it down, it speaks to who he was
, why he was at Tennessee too,because you know her reach is
something.
She wasn't just some fine shit.
She was some fine popping shit.
Coach of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
See, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
I got Vrabes as my pick Because I just think he
makes the Patriots obviouslybetter and people like the
narrative of variable back inNew England.
But my dark horse, Coach Ra Tenwin.
Coach Ra, that's my dark horse.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
So my favorite is Sean Payton.
I think that a lot of of,especially with even the media
hypes up, it wouldn't surpriseme at all I'll walk off this
broadcast right now yeah, I knowyou hate him, but at the end of
the day, I think, based oneverything that I've seen, look

(01:52:33):
at this guy.
He's showing off his guys.
That's really what he's doing.
But I think that overall, if Ihad to make a choice, I think
that Sean Payton would be thatpick.
I could see Denver having oneof those years where, if Bo Nix
takes the next step, ifeverything goes the way that it

(01:52:57):
should go, I don't see a reasonwhy Denver wouldn't potentially
be able to supplant Kansas Cityin terms of in the win column
for the division.
And if he does that and theywin 12 games, I could easily see
Sean Payton winning that awardthis year, especially because he

(01:53:17):
is a good coach.
And that's just the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
You know I've been back for a second.
I didn't realize that thecamera was like.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Yeah, it's showing your art.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Oh yeah, it's showing George Costanza.
Yeah, that's nasty work, by theway.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Yeah, it's a little crazy, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
But I mean, if you're a seinfeld fan, you get it yes,
yeah, and I was telling thepeople um that certainly are
watching live or we'll replaythis.
Then I was like he's justshowing off his new camera
equipment but, um, no man, it aitracks on its own.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
So when I got up it did all of that, but hey, I know
You're showing off theequipment.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
That's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
We're running out of time here.
Comeback player of the yearreally quick.
My long shot is Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Will he be considered for that award?

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
I think I tell you my long shot's kirk cousins.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Somebody gets hurt, he comes back and leads them to
the playoffs.
That's my long shot, but thefavorite.
I have to think about who, thewho, who went down last?

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
year.
Um, we got five minutes to getthe pick, so hurry up the
college is gonna, so we're gonnabring through college pick guys
.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Uh, because either way it's not gonna get posted,
so I'm not gonna do anyexplanation for that.
But, um god, I can't even thinkof a combat player who got hurt
well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Parley Peas
College Football 666.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
So one of the things that we can't say just real
quick because I am going tobrush through these.
We're not any explanation forthe picks, I'm just going to say
them.
But we did go 5-1 last week onthe college picks, texas being
the only one that ruined it.
So we'll start off with thatsame team that ruined it.
We're going to take Texas minus20.5 first half against San

(01:55:26):
Jose State.
And then we're going to go toBaylor at SMU, we're going to
take SMU Moneyline.
Then we're going to go Illinoisat Duke.
We're going to take IllinoisUMoneyline.
Then we're going to go Illinoisat Duke, we're going to take
Illinois Moneyline.
Ucla at UNLV I like over 53.5.
Arizona State at MississippiState, arizona State Moneyline.
Then we got Iowa at Iowa StateMaybe the easiest money of the

(01:55:49):
week Iowa State minus three athome.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Bet you like it, I love it, ladies and gentlemen,
it is time for paul ap six six,six, six.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
so like, uh, like, we kind of explained here because
I've definitely got to keep thisshort because editing is a
fucking bitch, but nonetheless Ihad already wrote down
everything that I needed to get.
So we're going to make thisvery, very quickly with these
picks so that I don't have toedit.
Anyhoo, we're going to startoff with the player props.
So this one's for anyone thathas FanDuel or whatever.
We're going to take over 69.5Tyreek Hill's yards against the

(01:56:36):
Colts.
The Colts had the 26th rankedpass defense.
Enough said.
Next we got the PittsburghSteelers at the New York Jets.
I like Aaron Rodgers to getsome revenge.
Give me the Pittsburgh Steelersminus 2.5.
Next we got the Monday nightgame.
We got the Minnesota Vikings atthe Chicago Bears.
I like the Bears as a dog athome.
I think that everything opensup really well for them.

(01:56:57):
Next we got the Rams game.
We got the Rams-Texans Twoteams that can score.
I don't understand why thisover-under is this low.
I really like over 43.5, sowe're going to take the over.
Next we got the Tampa BayBuccaneers at the Atlanta
Falcons.
I will be in attendance.
Come on, guys.
Falcons money line, and thisisn't even biased.
I just really think we're goingto win it.

(01:57:17):
I like to say plus odds.
Next, the final game on thisslate We've got the Cincinnati
Bengals at the Cleveland Browns.
Joe Burrell finally played insome preseason games and I think
that they're tired of gettingoff to slow starts and the
Browns are just not good.
Bengals minus five.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
For the sake of time.
If you like it, then I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
And when you love it.
Typically that means it's timefor.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Lee's, three Lee's three.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
Lee's three we sound like we rode the short bus when
we do this.
We got to get this AI thingtogether.
We got to get it figured out?
No, because I'm trying to getit on the same accord and we
don't.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
I know, I know, hey.
So for Lee's three, here's whatwe got.
You know what I like?
The Falcons on the money line.
You can take that and send itto your dealer.
I like the Bengals minus five.
I love it.
And because I prefer to bet onthe NFL than college when I
don't know what's going on, letme take another NFL pick.
Give me the Steelers minus twoand a half.

(01:58:23):
When Aaron Rodgers goes andbeat those Jets, that's Lee's
three.
Hey, parley Pete, we've got aminute.
Is there anything else you wantto say besides?
Brittany Renner really messedthe bag up by recording right
before he signed the big dealand thought she was going to
expose him.

Speaker 3 (01:58:40):
Well, I think you already said enough by saying
that.
What I will say is that, guys,if your phone conversations are
recorded, remember that they'rebeing recorded.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Exactly, hey, pj, don't invite nobody to sack when
, when you're being recorded,because you could have gotten
that scot-free oh well, I wastalking more about Young Thug,
but we'll move on from there ohwell, yeah, yeah, but hey guys,
we'll be back next week.
Hey, pete, I'm gonna call youin a minute all right, let's do
it all right out of here people.

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