Washed and Winning: Deja Vu: Same Old Falcons

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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh, we're live.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, yeah, you press the button.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, but I was off the screen because I was setting
us up to go live on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
So I guess I'm the eggplant emoji here.
Huh for saying that.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'd never refer to you as an eggplant emoji.
I don't even use that emoji.
It's not in my emoji decks.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
It's not in mine either, but to keep it PG-13 the
first two minutes I had to makesure I related to that
demographic and then also notsay what I want to say, even
though you just called me one.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
What.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
In pre-production here.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean, maybe I think you could have referred to a
chicken, you could have referredto Josh Holsey's call sign.
I think we could have got itall.
They all fall under the samebelt, sure?
I mean you could have said, youcould have honestly said so
what am I, josh Holsey, here,and I would have understood
exactly what you meant, or, dave?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I didn't want to take an unnecessary shot at our
buddy Shout-outs to Josh.
He got off.
You know it's crazy.
Actually, I had the leastamount of points in fantasy this
week.
Somehow he practically had fourpeople that did nothing, so
maybe that just goes to showjust how bad my roster was this
week.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Ryan you said you had the Atlanta dream.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I do, I do, I do.
We had a bad week, and that'sokay.
My two highest scorers were onmy bench.
I didn't expect either of them,but they're the ones that
performed.
I had one touchdown.
Josh Jacobs got me a touchdownin the third or fourth quarter,
and that was it.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
But I know about our fantasy shenanigans.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
You won Bad coaching job.
Bad coaching, yeah oh am I in?
I mean, if your best scoreswere on the bench, I would say
that's a Not everybody was goingto start Javante Williams or
Michael Penix and honestly, Iwas tempted to start Michael
Penix I'm not going to liebecause I just knew how bad,

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like what Kirk Cousins did.
So I was like God, michaelPenix probably is going to play.
Well, now I know.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, I mean, we're here.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean, forget the intros, nothing else matters.
And, bro, I can't see.
There you go, here we go, weare all here to do what we do.

(03:03):
It's ridiculous, it's obviouswhat's being done out here.
It's a nightly basis.
I hope the world can see nowwhat's really going on out here,
because it's getting ridiculous.
It's really ridiculous.
Yes, man, this is ridiculous,man, ridiculous parley p.

(03:23):
Uh little case of the deja vuthis past Sunday.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I don't know.
I think Boogie Cousins justdescribed it perfectly.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
What did Boogie say?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
He said it's getting ridiculous.
He said it's really ridiculous,he's like yes man, this is
ridiculous, this is ridiculous,because it's the same story over
and, over and over again andthere's only one constant since
this story began.

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There's only one.
There's one.
Well, there's two.
Technically.
There's only one.
There's one, well, there's two.
Technically.
Doesn't matter who's thatquarterback, whether it's
michael vick, matt ryan, joeyharrington, by our left wedge,
marcus mariotta, desmond ritter.
Michael penn is kirk cousindoesn't matter who's that
quarterback we're still got kindof getting like the same
results in these gameseverything's the same taylor

(04:20):
heineke Taylor, heineke, yeah,doug Johnson, I mean let's just
throw Danny Canale in there too.
Why not Chris Chandler siding?
I mean it's the same thing, butcertainly since 2004,.
It's been kind of like the samething, and Arthur Blank's been

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the owner of the team since 01.
Arthur Blank's been the ownerof the team since 01, and a
certain somebody, who shall notbe named, he's been in the front
office since 04.
So you have to ask yourself andthink about it, even in the big

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spots.
You know, I'm not going tobring up 28-3 because that's the
irrelevant one, but still justthe way that we lose these games
.
I'm not going to bring up 28-3because that's the irrelevant
one, but still just the way thatwe lose these games and the way
that this stuff happens.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Kaepernick game in 2012 maybe.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, there's many.
The Chargers game the same theSuper Bowl year.
I don't know the Dallas Cowboysin Dallas.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Pretty much every home game we've gone to over the
last five years.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
The Carolina Panthers game to end the year.
Last year, I mean, we literallyended our season and started it
the same way, except that we atleast went to overtime.
We at least went to overtime inthat game, but in this one you
know?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Hey, before you say his name, because I'm going to
let you finish, should anybodybe a W-2 employee for a company
for 21 years when there's verylittle room for elevation?
You know you come in with a jobthat he had.

(06:07):
There's only like two more jobsyou can get.
You come in as a GM.
Then you can get the presidentof football operations, where
you're over the whole footballoperation right and then become
the team president or, excuse me, the AMG president, where he

(06:32):
manages.
He's over business when he'sover everything.
You know.
But at the end of the day youcan't own the team and you come
in reporting directly to theowner or you got one person
between you and the owner.
It's only one.
We're talking about horizontalgrowth here.

(06:54):
I don't want somebody in mycompany for that long unless we
are a top one percenter, and Iprobably still don't want them
there that long.
You know what I mean.
Like it's not like BillBelichick the coach.
You know, when you're the coach, you're at the top of your
profession.
Now you could decide to moveinto personnel if you want to,

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but when you become the headball coach, that is the
crescendo.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, this person that cannot be named is a
football lifer.
He's won a Super Bowl as ageneral manager.
That was 20 fucking years ago.
Hasn't done anything in theleague, since, except for be the
head of the competitioncommittee, even when he's not,

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involved in football operationswith the team that he's
associated with.
Well, they claim that he's not.
They claim that he's not.
He doesn't have anything to dowith it.
Remember, he deals with thesorry-ass soccer team sorry ass
soccer team.
A soccer team that was doingjust fine before, apparently, he
got over and they've suckedever since.
Now that, I mean people stillgo to the games, but you know

(08:15):
it's also a good time to go outand get I don't know eight items
for $20.
If you want to take the fansout and those tickets are way
cheaper than ours.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And you know, they brought a championship to the
city too, didn't they?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Year two.
They won the whole thing theirsecond year in at Zixons, and he
wasn't a part of that, thoughhe was still on our side while
we were struggling and everybodywas getting distracted because
it was the beginning of the endfor Matt Ryan and Julio Jones.
That's what was going on whenthey won it was the beginning of

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the end.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So him not doing his job correctly?
Because he did not properly.
He didn't have people ready tofill those roles who were
willing to fill those roles andcapable of filling those roles
Right.
Because we had a Julioreplacement who showed that he
was capable but then he showedhe wasn't willing and we went

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after a Matt Ryan replacementwho we now know wasn't capable.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
He wasn't really a Matt Ryan replacement, though in
reality Not because of what weknow, but just the reality of
them drafting him- no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
We all knew that in advance.
I'm not talking about the guywe drafted.
I'm talking about the guy wewent after that then kicked Matt
Ryan out the door.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Because he would have retired a Falcon after that
season.
Wouldn't it have been worse?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Do you think our situation would be worse today?
Hell yeah, if Deshaun Watsonnow.
But we don't know if DeshaunWatson is Cleveland Deshaun here
Now.
We also probably don't haveMichael Penix.
Honestly, kirk Cousins nevercomes here.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Bro, we're in cap hell still.
We would have just escaped caphell to get right back in cap
hell Because, no, we didn'tguarantee him the full contract,
but we guaranteed him a heftysum in long term and, kind of

(10:24):
like Tiger, once your cover, weguaranteed him a hefty sum and
long-term, and, uh, kind of liketiger.
Once your cover gets blown,like Manta, I tell you, once
your cover gets blown, likeGilbert arenas, once you lose
that superpower and you'reworried about people looking at
you and you're not just being anathlete in the arena, you're
not good anymore.
And that's what happened toDeshaun Watson.

(10:45):
So, yeah, we'd be in a worseplace.
We'd probably be benched, we'dprobably have a young stud or a
young quarterback in front ofhim and we'd be on a path to
nowhere.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
We're going to get back to this because it's going
to bring it full circle once wetalk around the league, but of
course, we're going to stick toour Falcons right now.
Yeah, gosh, our Falcons.
I think I told you this.
I, honestly, as soon as thekick missed, I walked straight
out the stadium because I knowyou had hit me and you said
where am I?
And then, julian Turner, youmay not.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, let's not confuse anybody.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Julian turner, you know, sent the group and said,
hey, you're not picking up.
I was on the train because Iwas already halfway home and so
I left immediately.
I didn't want to.
You know, in the club they havea party after.
They're still serving drinks,food probably put up, but like
you can basically hang around awhole hour after the game, I

(11:49):
wanted no parts of it becausethere's nothing to celebrate.
What do we?
And this is the issue with thefalcons as an organization?
And and it starts to makejustice look like fucking albert
einstein.
And it's not that justice isn'ta smart individual.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
But he said there are the blanks of hot dog salesman.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm starting to believe it, because the rollout
for the food and stuff gets alot of attention from espn.
A lot of likes on social media.
Everybody's amazed by it.
They're like, oh my god, theyjust love their fans.
No, they don't.
No, they don't because theykeep putting the same out on the
field and we're tired of it.

(12:27):
Everybody should be tired ofthis shit, man.
You should be tired of it.
Everything that I saw on thefield indicated to me that we're
going 7-10 or 8-9 again.
That's what it looked like.
But there's a bright spot Ourquarterback.
But there's a bright spot ourquarterback.

(12:49):
Considering how terrible theplay calling was and the idea
that we couldn't run the ball, Ithought he played very well.
I thought that he was prepared.
I thought that he dideverything he could do to win
the game.
And that's all I asked for.
That's all anyone should everask for out of their quarterback
.
Well, you go out there and makeplays if you can, and that's
what he did.
When he needed to make themplays, he made plays.

(13:11):
He can't.
He's still practically a rookie, so he's not going to line up
and be Peyton Manning andaudible out of Zach Robinson's
play calling.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Not yet.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Maybe soon, soon come , hopefully, since play calling
Not yet.
Maybe soon, soon come, sooncome.
I was surprised you didn't giveme a drop there.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Hey, you know what you might get.
Lucky he might have a coachwith a lot of money in his
pocket who may want to be an OCat the next level.
That would never happen, but itsounded really good.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Who are you talking about specifically here?
Oh Kalen, oh hey, our offensivecoordinator.
If things go to shit this year,our offensive coordinator.
He's in Miami right now gettingready to rethink his ink and
put together a differentplaybook than everything that

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he's had, because he wouldactually come here and I think,
as an OC, would be a good fit.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh yeah, because we have a quarterback with a cannon
and not a noodle.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
We have a better Tua in reality.
That actually is kind of aneasier way to look at Michael
Penix.
Is he not just like a betterTua or what Tua?
I think people thought Tuashould be.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
He's Tua with a cannon.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
But just like how Tua can run and he's got injury,
because our guy has injury too.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, but he has a cannon, but he has a cannon, but
he has a cannon.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he can throw the ball.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
75 yards on one knee.
It's Wheezy Baby Niggasbitching, so I got to tote the
cannon Cannon right I got ducttape and rope.
I keep you missing like thefucking old Bannons.
One handles my money.
That's the AK-47.
That boy, wayne, used to spitdog.

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He did, he did.
Nobody could freestyle betterthan him.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
No no.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I will always give Wayne his credit and his flyers
where they're due.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Because it's crazy, because you can only say that
you did have to be there.
You had to be there in order toactually get that.
But let's not get too off trackhere, because we still got some
ass to lay into.
We haven't even got to thekicker.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I haven't even gotten started yet.
I'm letting you go, I know, Iknow.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Michael Penix played well.
Michael Penix played well.
We can't really blame B John.
I mean the holes weren't thereor the play calling was just
that bad.
But all in all, we saw howimportant Darnell Mooney is to
the team, because that's nooffense to Kaderil Hodge, casey

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Washington or Ray-Ray McLeod.
But the reality of thesituation is this Tampa did not
have to have a deep thirdbecause there was no deep threat
.
That quarterback who you werejust talking about the cannon.
He didn't have anybody that hecould throw one of those balls
to.
In reality, he didn't really,and that's kind of one of the

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flaws here.
Is that the depth behind ourwide receiver.
Two there isn't a lot of elsethat can do that.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's not even the depth behind our wide receiver.
Two, it's that we don't haveanother respectable deep threat.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And maybe that's why we got Rondell Moore right who
got hurt last year and then alsogot hurt in a preseason game
this year and is out in season.
That was maybe why, when youtrade Desmond Ritter for him,
you're like, well gosh, he'sgood enough to be wide receiver
five.
Desmond Ritter is not worthanything to us.
We were going to cut himanyways, so we might as well,
you know, kick the tires on thisguy, but obviously it didn't

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work out.
Is Des at Radio Shack now?
Man, I heard he was doordashing still.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
You know what?
I have some nerve to say thatwith my unemployed ass.
Well, hey, dan, come join us onthe couch man.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know we could.
I wouldn't mind if he wanted toexplain himself.
I could be Big Bank and hecould be Young Thug.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
He could explain everything, except you know we
don't have audio phone calls.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
We've just got visual of what we saw and maybe he
could come on the show andexplain everything and he could
tell me how.
You're just dumb ass fan.
You don't know anything aboutcollege football.
I went against Nick Saban andthat's why I got drafted.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, you lost.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, but, but, but the fact that I could make it to
even be there.
Their appetizer they like.
What about you?
He's like you throw in a parlayhere and there it hits, and
then you go all in six.
That's what he says to me.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
He's like you're out here having to sue people.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
That's what's going on with you.
He's like meanwhile me.
He's like I'm chilling dog.
He's like, yeah, I'm notplaying ball, but neither are
you, and I'm like okay.
Point for me, des doesn't meanyou're still not shitty.
It didn't change anything.
The shitter nickname stillexists.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Hey, Desmond, you may be winning at life, but you
didn't win at football.
You just weren't a goodfootball player.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, and I'm not taking shots at you as a man.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Not to you as a man no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm saying you didn't clock in for work and you were
trying to steal.
You were stealing time.
I'd say it about any nigga thatwalks around here and steals
time and thinks that they'regoing to keep getting a paycheck
on my dime.
If I find out somebody'sclocking in and stealing time
and the people that I work withand for basically are telling me

(18:45):
, hey, we're not going to countfive of these hours.
Man, we saw your boy.
He stole time, he wasn't doingnothing, so we can't, we can't
pay you, you get fired.
You get fired.
But here, hold on, we are goingtoo long on desert river.
He is not worth our time.
New kung fu lee, you have thefloor.
I'm sorry, we can combine onthe kicker.

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I'm going to wait.
That's actually reallycomplicated.
We can go on the kickertogether.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's ridiculous, hey, but look, it's a culture
problem and there's a part of meand we'll get into this later
I'm starting to think it's abird problem.
Okay cash money and it starts atthe top.

(19:38):
It's time for Arthur to sellthe team.
It's time for Arthur Blank tosell the team.
You're going to profit off ofit.
You negotiate whether or notyou want to keep the bins.
I understand why you want tokeep that investment around.
Makes you a lot of money, youknow.

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Obviously it drops the price inthe sale.
So you know you have morepeople that may want to get in
on ownership.
Maybe you know you have morepeople that may want to get in
on ownership, right, maybe youknow you know, maybe he comes up
and saves today.
Perfect city for him to want toget invested with, exactly, but
it's time for Arthur Blank tosell the team because, as you

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spoke on, there are certainpeople in the building whose
names we shall not say LordVoldemort, we see the same thing
in and out.
Coach and staff doesn't matter.
The GM doesn't matter, thequarterback doesn't matter, the
defense doesn't matter.
We can have a great defense.
We can have a good pass rush.
We can have a good offense.
We can have a bad offense.

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We can have a good pass game.
We can have a good pass game.
We can have a good run game.
It does not matter what we trotout on the field.
What we consistently do is blowleads and blow games, blow
leads.
And while we're here, we had agreat pressure rate, top four in
the league, 40% pressure rate.
You know what we didn't do.
We didn't get home.

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We didn't contain Baker when heneeded to make plays on the
ground.
Mike Evans didn't do much, buton.
Thursday.
They needed him.
He was there.
Emeka Buka, first time on theNFL field.
This is AJ Terrell's first yearhaving the same quarterback too

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, and apparently allegedlyaccording to Mike Evans Ibuka
was in the huddle and said hey,give me the post, I'm going to
win the game A rookie.
And he did it.
Shout out to him he's my flex,but it's absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
The pass rush doesn't get home and the coverage
doesn't hold up in the time thatit matters.
Year in and year out we playeda great defensive game through
three quarters.
We held we held Tampa Bay towhat?
17 points through the majorityof the four quarters Great
defensive output.
Baker did not get in rhythm,bucky Irvin, he started to get

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in rhythm late, but they didn'trun all over us either, but we
still hey.
Once they got in thattwo-minute offense, we knew what
time it was.
Falcons fans knew what time itwas.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Lee, I am surprised you're wearing.
It looks like a Falconspullover.
I couldn't even wear my Falconshat today, because there's
nothing proud to be about.
I'm sitting here now, you knowI'm praying, I'm mourning, I'm
praying.
I'm praying because today isWednesday and our kicker is
still on the roster.
Now I will be the first to sayit.

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I don't blame Youngway Coup forthe loss.
I don't blame him for why welost.
I blame him for not giving us achance to win, but I don't
blame him for the loss.
At the end of the day, YoungwayCoup did what he did last year
and that's why his ass shouldn'tbe here anyways.
He was never supposed to havebeen here.
He had a whole kickingcompetition with a black German

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kicker and I said to you, assoon as the schedule got
released, I said, hmm, we signedthis black German kicker.
They've been showing him off.
We play a game in Germany thisyear.
I'm like, maybe they're tryingto set up for this guy to get a
chance to kick, you know, in hishome country.
And then we cut him and Koo'sthere and I'm like, okay, Koo

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must have not missed a goddamnthing in practice, must have not
missed anything.
Preseason I didn't watchpreseason, guys, I'm sorry.
Outside of maybe that firstgame and a couple of drops, I
didn't watch preseason, nothingto watch, and so I'm like, hmm,
maybe Kuz back to you know, whenwe still weren't winning games,
but at least he was makingkicks.

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I was wrong.
He's not because he can't makea 44-yard field goal in the
clutch Inside he made the firstone.
Let's give him a round ofapplause, people.
Young Waco made it.
The guy that just paid $5.5million a year made a kick he

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made the kick, but then weneeded him to make one.
He couldn't.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, when they frozen, he made the first one.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Look, I don't know if him and McLaughlin were going
back and forth saying no, no, no, I'm going to fuck this game up
.
No, no, no, I'm going to fuckthis game up.
No, no, no, no, I'm going tofuck this game up.
Because he fucked my fantasyteam up.
I wasn't going to win anyways,but he missed an extra point and
a kick.
And then it's like Koo's, likeI'll do you one better, I'll
seal the game for you.
He's like you just messed upbecause we would have my ass,

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would not have even had to kick.
If you just made the extrapoint, you guys would have had
to score a touchdown.
But instead I but instead I'mgoing to give you the floor to
choke this one away.
You choke it away.
His ass shouldn't be here.
Them signing my man that playedfor Minnesota last year.
They're teasing us.

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They're teasing us, you know,and Kuma's hurt too, because, if
you remember, we lose that gameto Washington because we don't
make that game.
When it field goal on Sundaynight we had enough time in
regulation to end that game andthat game doesn't go to overtime
.
Missed there too Long fieldgoal, though that was like a
59-yard.
This one was 44 indoors and itwas shitty weather and he missed
a 59.

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He was new to the team thatweek, so we can be mad at him,
but cut him a little slack.
Him a little slack.
He's weak on the job.
He made a mistake in a bigmoment.
That was also tough for anyoneto do.
Young Wayne Coon's missingfield goals in a place that he's
been kicking his whole career.
They can miss me with that shit.
Get his ass out of here.

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Get his ass out, man, get himout.
Get him out.
What more do we need to see?
San Francisco said hey, moody,we spent a third-round pick on
you, get to stepping His fuckingkey access.
They didn't even let him get tocome to the facility and see
that the key access code didn'twork Instead we signed a guy to

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practice squad Like what are wedoing?
What are we doing?
Youngway could have missed morefield goals than Jake Moody
last year.
Jake Moody had a rough day.
They won, but our keeper isstill here.
We're about to go into probablya top five environment for a
football game.
I love Minnesota, minnesota'sgreat.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
It is Top five defense too.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Top three, I'd say top three, top three defense.
And we got to see that ondisplay Monday night because
they kept them in that game.
And so I just I don't know, lee, it's deja vu, but it's also
one of these things where I lookat it and I say to myself you
know, maybe it is an ownershipthing, like maybe like something
just needs to change,something's got to change.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Because at some point it is the players.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I mean, it is like Young Wanku's one of the players
, but like it really ain't theplayers to your justice point
yeah, they take care of the fans, but they're not.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
they're giving the fans nice things but they're not
taking care of the fans.
I liken it to the husband butdo that, but they're giving the
fans nice things, but they'renot taking care of the fans.
I liken it to the husband whodoes nice things for his wife
but he never spends time withher, and all she wants is time.
Hey, cheap beer, cheap food,great food selection, great bars

(27:22):
, great bar selection.
Good game days, man in general.
Yeah, all of that stuff weappreciate, but we're here for
the wins and you're not givingus the wins.
And you keep telling us thatyou're doing all this nice stuff
for us and I go, I hear you,but I just want the wins.
And if you can't give me thewins this other night, stuff

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doesn't mean anything to me.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Do you really love me ?
Do you want me?
Is this even really your realphone number?
These are the questions that weask ourselves as Falcons fans
year in and year out, not weekin and week out.
Year in and year out, and I inand week out, year in and year
out, and I don't know if theylove me anymore.
I do everything I can on my end.

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I show up.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I pay for my tickets, I pay for my PSL.
I get my free gear.
You know what?
I don't even wear my free gearto the games.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I wear it out, I wear fucking gear one way or another
.
At some point in time I boughtsomething for me.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
But I'm saying the free gear that they give me.
I wear it out in the communityto represent the Falcons.
I don't even wear it to thegames.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
You wear it on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I buy gear to wear to the games because I think it's
corny when season ticket holderswear their season ticket holder
gear to the game.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
By the way, that's corny as fuck.
Well, I mean, I've never wornthe gear they give us.
Yeah, but exactly.
It's corny but I've worn, youknow that season, that first
game, I wear that hat.
That's a giveaway I've worn.
You know.
That season, that first game, Iwear that hat.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's a giveaway.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I still wear it to this day.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
But, nonetheless, I got my flags up.
You can't even see it.
I got my old black flags upabove me.
I got my white flags over here.
You know what I'm saying.
I support you guys, and all I'masking for in return is a home
playoff game every now and then.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Feed me, feed me, I'm hungry.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm not asking for a Super Bowl every year.
I'm not asking for the playoffsevery year.
I'm just asking for consistentwinning.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I am hungry, you won't feed me.
You don't make somebody that'shungry starve if you love them.
No, I would never in my lifetell my daughter if she's hungry
you will not eat.

(29:59):
I would never do that.
You know why I eat Because Ilove her.
I love my daughter.
If my baby tells me she'shungry, guess what I'm going to
say?
What do you want?
And as long as they're open,we're going to go get it.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Bro, I'll give you a great story as we close this out
.
I called my daughter about anhour or so before the show.
She calls me back right as I'mplugging in and getting ready to
start.
I'm like, hey, I got to go, I'mabout to do my show.
I'll call you back after theshow.
She goes daddy, I'm not going.

(30:34):
I stay on the phone for fivemore minutes and we're going to
have a longer phone call afterthe show.
You know why.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Because she wants to talk to you.
Yeah, You're going to feed herthe conversation and the
attention Exactly Because youlove her.
You're not.
You know, some hussy might wantit and you'll be like no, we'll
talk later.
I got better things to do.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Exactly.
You know, I can send carepackages, right, I can send her
my money to make sure she hasthe things that she needs.
But she just wants to talk todaddy and I'm not going to say,
hey, lo, I'm helping take careof you, I'm doing this and that
for you, whatever the case maybe.
No, I'm going to give her theattention that she needs because

(31:24):
I love her and she loves you.
Exactly, we love each other, sowe take care of each other.
So, falcons, we love you, butlove's not enough.
You got to show and prove.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, it's a give and take relationship and I feel
like I've just been doing awhole lot of giving.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I feel like I've been doing a whole lot of taking, if
you catch my drift.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yes, but enough about the sorry fucking Falcons.
Let's get into week one of theNFL season.
Biggest takeaways from week oneLee.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I was right on Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Say again no, I said okay.
So that was your biggesttakeaway Was that you were right
on Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I mean, it's the first thing that came to my mind
when you said it that was yourbiggest takeaway Was that you
were right on Caleb Williams?
I mean, it's the first thingthat came to my mind when you
said it.
Okay, I'll tell you what.
Let me be transparent with theviewers.
When we go to Falcons games, Ionly see the Falcons for the 1

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o'clock window After the game.
The four o'clock window hasalready started.
And yes, I watched Packerslines, but I was in a restaurant
and I was on Marta.
Then I was at Pierce's and Iwas in a car.
So, like, I watched the gamebut I was not totally locked
into the game, so I only watchedthree and a half.
I watched two and two halfgames this week because I

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watched Falcons, obviouslyeverybody watched Bills Ravens
yeah, enough of Packers lines.
I watched Bills Ravens and thenI watched some of the Monday
night game but I was recordingVillage Vets, so second half of
the game I wasn't totally lockedin, I just had it on the iPad
as I was recording Village Vets.
So second half of the game Iwasn't totally locked in, I just
had it on the iPad as I wasrecording.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And I think everybody here should be able to respect
everything that we're sayinghere because we're not going to
sit here and lie and act like wewatched the games.
First of all, it's impossiblefor anyone to watch the games.
All we can do is checkhighlights and box scores, just
like everybody else, unless youwere at games or maybe you
weren't at your house and youwere just constantly flipping
through but that means that youdidn't watch a game fully.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, some people, because I used to do this.
I used to go back, yeah, and Iwould go back and watch all of
the games.
I would watch the abbreviatedversion, when they take out all
the huddling and the commercialbreaks and you can get through a
game in about an hour and Iwill sit up and watch every game
that I didn't watch.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Stephen A Smith does not do that and I'm not trying
to compare to him, but there'sjust a lot of people that don't.
But obviously, like anythingelse, if you've got your hands
in a lot of different places, ifyou're a jack-of-all-tr trades,
you can get quite a bit done.
And one of the things I thinkthat we can say, certainly with
week one, was that there were alot of surprises around the

(34:29):
league, daniel Jones probablybeing the biggest admiration.
Are we even surprised by thedolphins, even, by the way, now
that we think of, now that we'retalking about this game, yeah,
even surprised, because, basedon everything we were hearing
anyways, it kind of just showedup on the field that day.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm still surprised, because I didn't expect it.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I didn't expect them to get blown out.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I heard the talk, I said, okay, this is something to
watch, but I also seen whatthey'd done before with those
guys on the roster and a healthytour, and I said you're going
to have to show me that the skyis falling for me to believe it.
Well, now I believe it.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I think I'm with you there.
I think we've got top five pickpotential out of the Dolphins.
I think that, and we spokeabout this yesterday on the
phone.
But I think that you're lookingat a situation where it's just
not working.
And I think when you look at aguy like Mike McDaniel,
obviously former Falcons coach,certainly he's a part of the

(35:38):
Shanahan-McVay tree and, yeah,they got off to a quick start
literally, you know they werereally good, they made the
playoffs.
They were in the playoffs twoyears ago too and he had
quarterback problems that hestill, you know, was making it
do.
But now he's had hisquarterback and it just looks
really, really bad.

(35:58):
Tyreek Hill's got all theoff-the-field stuff.
It's time for them to blow thisthing up.
That's what I think.
I think and I know that, and wewere going to get to, I guess,
our overreactions, but I mightas well just at least start with
this one here, just becausewe're talking about it.
I don't think that's anoverreaction.
I think that the Dolphins aregoing to be a top five pick type

(36:19):
team in the NFL.
I'd stay, I sure as hell am nottouching them in any bets they
won't get touched in that manner, but they're garbage, they're
garbage.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Chris Greer has been the GM for nine years.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I think it's safe to say that he won't see year 10.
Yeah, as time's ran out, Idon't think he'll see year nine
and a half.
Lee, that's how I'm willing toput my name on the line.
I think that these guys aregoing to be gone before
Halloween or at Halloween.
They're not going to make itthat far.
I'm going to give them toThanksgiving.

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I don't think they make it thatfar and I think that Tyreek Hill
does, in fact, get tradedbecause of his personal issues.
Just in general, this is a guythat was voted the number one
player in the NFL.
Literally, he was voted thenumber one player in the NFL
last year.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I don't think he's bad at football.
All of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I think that they need to get as much as they can
for him and get ready for thisrebuild, because Miami will
still be a place where, if youget the right people there, you
can get people that will comedown there, not just because of
the state income tax, but it'sMiami man, yeah, so that won't
be hard.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Wayne Isaac is not the owner.
Who's the owner now?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
The Michigan guy Ross .
Yeah, Steven Ross.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, but here's the one thing about Miami that makes
it hard for them.
The NFL is a married league.
Explain that for anyone thatdoesn't know what you mean.
So you see a lot in the nbawhere the large markets win.

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But if you notice, even thoughmiami's had success, they don't
bring in a lot of older freeagents.
They develop their talent, themajority of their talent, they
develop and they may make a movehere or there, like Like LeBron
them coming.
That was a little bit different.
The Jimmy Butler trade.
He was a distressed asset.
You see it with Atlanta too.

(38:33):
You don't see a lot of big freeagents coming to Atlanta to
play for the Hawks, and the NBAis a single league.
These guys like the big markets,where in the NFL you see a lot
of smaller markets thrive, moreso because the demographics of
the NFL are different.
But also you have more married.
People like these guys are 22,21, 22, 23 when they start their

(38:56):
professional lives, as opposedto the NBA where they're like
1920.
And so some of these guys havehad serious girlfriends from
high school or seriousgirlfriends from college, and
then they go to the league, theymove them to their cities, they
get married.
It's okay to be in Kansas Citywhen you're married because
there's enough bars, lounges,steakhouses and stuff that you
can go to where it's lit.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
And you're even more the toast of the town too.
For what it's worth, becausethey're the only show in town.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, but then you talk about Miami.
Wives don't want to move toMiami.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
So you think Ballers is a bullshit show?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I look at sports.
I look at sports and I look atwhere we have success at.
And I'll tell you, the partycities have not been successful
for sports teams.
Like, yeah, the Vegas Aces aregood, but chicks are a little

(39:56):
bit different.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, like, but the Raidersaren't good.
Raiders haven't been good inVegas.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
They had the Rich Masachi season.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, they had the Rich Masachi season.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, they had the Rich Masachi season, that was
the most tumultuous season theyhad, and they were able to
somehow get there and could havebeat the Bengals too, by the
way.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, but they've been terrible since you know, we
see what Atlanta has been.
When we've been good, it's beenhomegrown talent.
We don't get big free agentsvery often Miami, it's the same
thing.
We always have to trade forours.
Yeah, I mean even look at NewOrleans, you know what I'm
saying.
Like New Orleans is a partycity, even though it's not like

(40:36):
a lit party city, because it'sNew Orleans.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
You know this makes this a better question who does
get the free agents in the NFLright?
Because I guess some peoplecould say Philly to a degree,
but like Dallas signs nobody.
So that's one.
But that's their structure.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Organizationally they don't sign people like that.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Houston's a good example of a city that signs
people.
Yeah, but they're not good.
They sign and trade for people.
I guess maybe the Rams andChargers.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
But if you think about the NFL, the way that it's
set up and the way thatcontracts are structured, is
less of a free agency league.
You have your average playersin free agency and you have your
rare star players in freeagency, but good players in
their prime don't hit freeagency in the NFL because they
have so much more control,because they don't have

(41:38):
guaranteed contracts.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
So if you're really good and you fit, you don't ever
hit the market Right.
So if you're really good andyou fit, you don't ever hit the
market Right.
Which is why Kirk Cousins hasmade so much money because he's
the one quarterback that's goodenough to demand top dollar but
not great enough to to to havesomebody fall in love with him.
He's a great.
He's a great bar girlfriend.

(42:03):
He's a great bar girlfriend.
You know, you know.
You know the girl that that,like you, don't compare cousins
to a bar girlfriend.
Yeah, you know the girl youdon't really take seriously, but
she's a good hang and you liketo hang out with her, go out
with her.
It's fun and stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
And man it's just making your work wife at that
point?
Yeah, but like but.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Just making your work wife at that point, yeah, but
she could never be your actualwife.
You're not going to have a kidwith her, you're not going to
totally invest in her like that.
That's Kirk Cousins, your bargirlfriend.
She gets the girlfriendtreatment.
She can be your plus one toparties.
You take her out, you take herto games.
She gets to do all the coolstuff.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
But she's not moving it.
We are getting way far offtopic of around the league here.
Let's get back.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Let's get to the game of the year.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
We're going to say that last, because that's its
own topic.
I know we just didColts-Dolphins.
We've already done the Falconsgame.
How about that first game,cowboys-eagles?
Because we haven't even spokeabout how that former damn good
dog, jalen Carter, spits on DakPrescott before the game starts.
And close your eyes and hideyour ears if you bet Eagles

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spread, but that definitely costyou that more than anything.
Because their best defensiveplayer wasn't on the field for
the Eagles after they alreadyjust lost five starters, their
offensive coordinator and Dallas.
Honestly, we got to give BrianSchottenheimer some credit.
They looked a lot better than Ithink a lot of people thought

(43:44):
they were going to look.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Shoddy called a hell of a game.
He called a winning game.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, they looked a lot better than a lot of people
thought.
Obviously, jalen Carter, Ithink he got fined.
It was about 50.
It was 50-plus thousand andobviously they counted that as a
one-game suspension, which goodon the NFL, because that was
the way to handle it.
He missed the entire game, sothat's fair.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I want to commend the NFL for what they did.
You know, when it happened Iwas like suspend him, find him,
make an example out of him,because this behavior is
unacceptable.
The game hasn't started.
But then, you know, we waitaround, we wait around, we get
more clips.
We see Dak spit in hisdirection.
They're talking noise, they getface-to-face.

(44:29):
But you know what?
I was watching Good MorningFootball today and by watching
it it was on the TV with thevolume down and I saw a
different.
I saw that from behind JalenCarter, where Dak is talking to
him.
He spits in his direction, hesizes him up, he starts shaking

(44:53):
his head and talking and thenwalks forward.
I go all that stuff.
Dak said after the game that hewas just spitting.
Nah, that was aggression.
And although I'm anti-spittingin any circumstance, like you
know, we talked about it thenight of I would have been okay
with Jalen Carter respondingwith Dak spitting at him,

(45:17):
because that sets the line Likeonce you spit at me, all gloves
off.
It's just like if you're whiteand you call me the n-word,
however, I respond to yououtside of killing you,
obviously.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
White or anything, yeah, non-black.
If a nigga calls me a nigga,I'm offended by that too, if I
don't know you no.
I don't, I'm just saying yougot to think about it in a
certain way.
That's another story.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
But point being is there are certain lines of
disrespect that open the doorFor, for however he responds,
you've created an environmentfor that response.
I'm not saying that they shouldrespond that way, I'm not
saying it's right to respondthat way, but if I walk up to
you and say, hey, bitch assnigga, and you punch me in my

(46:14):
mouth or you spit in my face,you kick me in my nuts, you
shoot me, I've opened myself upfor that type of reaction
because of my action.
So after seeing that, I'm happythat they just gave find them a
game, check, kicked him out thegame, kept it moving and I hope

(46:36):
and wish that Dallas internallyfind Dak for provoking it,
because, hey, as the leader ofthis team, I mean I'm saying me,
me personally, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
It'd be very little for him to be given, not to
count these guys' money.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not, itis a drop in the bucket.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I just want to give him a
little headache.
I ain't trying to give him amigraine.
I ain a drop in the bucket, butyeah, yeah, no, I, I just want
to give him a little headache.
I ain't trying to give him amigraine, I ain't trying to hurt
his hamstring, just give him alittle headache.
It'll be gone in two minutes.
You know what I'm saying, yeah,but but hey, one thing here.
Uh, parley p, what are yourthoughts on his lineman not
stepping up while he's face toface with his lineman and kind

(47:18):
of letting him just part the redseas and do that because he's
the quarterback?
He's face-to-face with hislinemen and kind of letting him
just part the Red Seas and dothat Because he's the
quarterback.
He's the corporate guy.
That's usually not the rolequarterbacks play or what you
expect your quarterback to do.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I mean, I'm not trying to be funny they're
missing their Zach Martin, theirTyron Smith.
These were the guys that werethe stalwarts for that O-line
for when the Cowboys werewinning a lot of games.
So maybe it's just the factthat Dak's the leader Now the
O-linemen should still be there,like be like what you gonna do,
bro, like you know, it shouldbe still something along those

(47:51):
lines, but there isn't truly aleader on that offensive line
like they have had in the past.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
For what it's worth, Even CD you know what I'm saying
or your tight end, but it mighthave went so quickly to where
nobody really I mean, yeah,think about it.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
The ball just kicked off.
There was a guy that gotinjured.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Nah, but you hear him talking Like everybody's in the
huddle, Especially like thelinemen.
They were right there, they'rein front of Dak, so they hear it
before Dak.
Does you know what I mean?
So I just found it odd that theteam wasn't there rallying for
their quarterback.
I just, I'm not saying it'sanything.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
No, for sure, For sure, and it might not be, but I
tell you what the Chiefs being0-1, is that anything?
Does that mean something to you?
What do you think of that gamethat we got to watch, the first
ever broadcast on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Well, they lost.
I didn't watch the game, man, Iwas watching high school
football on Friday.
Really, yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Were you at.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Cass.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
What were you doing?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
No, I was at Cartersville.
Cartersville played againstCalhoun.
That's a big game.
Exactly Calhoun defending statechampions.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Cartersville.
I think they got put out in thethird round.
A couple of a few D1 prospectsout there on the field Game
ended up being 35-38,cartersville won.
It was a hell of a game.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Big game.
Well then, I'll give you alittle bit of analysis from what
I thought.
I'd like the idea of the NFLputting on a free show on
YouTube, because it was on theYouTube stream so any and
everybody could watch it.
You didn't matter if you hadYouTube TV or whatever.
So I like that.
They were kind of oversellingthe YouTube stars, but I get it.

(49:38):
It's the first YouTube NFL game, so Mr Beast was a big part of
it.
I show speed.
He's kind of been going on whatseems like a world tour a
little bit.
I've just been seeing a lot ofhim in a lot of places.
But you know, they kind of puttheir people into the pot with
that.
But as far as the game went,I've got breaking news.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
What's that we can cover it later.
Chicago's guide to listen totrade offers for injuries after
split locker room.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
We'll get to it as soon as we get to the WNBA,
because we are going to touch onthe WNBA guys.
But Chiefs, chargers overallthe Chargers look like they
could be the class of thatdivision after this week in
reality.
Now again, overreaction maybe.
I think it might be, because atthe end of the day, the Chiefs
are the Chiefs, but the Chiefsgot the Eagles this weekend.

(50:25):
I don't know they're going tohave Jalen Carter this week and
the Chiefs didn't look very good.
They didn't look very good.
They look like they're lackingexplosion, like explosion, just
period.
Which is why I think, tyreekHill if Andy Reid's smart, they
drop the 0-2, I would not besurprised if they make a trade

(50:46):
for Tyreek Hill and they give upa third-round pick and the
Dolphins say take him.
I really would not be surprisedby this.
But they lack explosion.
Travis Kelsey yeah, he caught abig touchdown pass but, like I
don't know, I was expecting himto come out and play like it was

(51:06):
going to be his last season andhe just left.
It was a lot left to be desiredfrom him and Hollywood Brown
stepped up.
He had 10 catches, a hundredyards, but because he kind of
had to, xavier Worthy goes downwith the shoulder injury.
We have no idea how long he'sgoing to be out.
It's fascinating to me becausewe've been kind of on this show
for the past few years, kind ofpredicting when the Chiefs are
going to have this 10 and 7 yearwhere they get in as a six or

(51:27):
seven and then we see what typeof resolve they really have.
This seems like this could bethe year, because obviously, you
know, a lot of people thinkDenver's got the best defense.
They certainly have one of thebest top three play callers in
the league.
The Chargers are hungry.
They're well coached.
Now, pete Carroll is, you know,pete, and it's just one of

(51:52):
those things where I think theChargers, they played a complete
football game.
I thought that they did well onall units special teams,
defense and offense.
Justin Herbert looked like whatJim Harbaugh said on Rich Eisen
I have to make him an MVP.
That's exactly what he lookedlike.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
He should have read that.
Yeah, I had him on my bench inone of my other fantasy leagues
and I saw some highlights of thegame.
I'll just tell you just abigger picture takeaway from the
entire thing as we wrap upthese games and get into the
game of the week.
Is that losing to the Chargersweek one in Brazil with no

(52:38):
Rashawn?
Slater says something.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Man and their offensive line looked great.
He had plenty of time to throw.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
And I'm not saying that this is the year, but, like
you said, we've been predictingthis Chiefs thing and it's not,
and it's not we're not haters.
Yeah, we're not haters.
It's not counterculture, it isjust.
You're starting to see certainthings fall apart and you

(53:09):
haven't seen them perform inthese different situations and
now, bro, it's burnout.
Y'all are playing more gamesthan everybody every year.
That's going gonna take a tollon you at some point and players
are gonna want to make moremoney this, that and the third
and the message can get stalebecause you're bringing the same
group back, not bringing in newblood, it's just, and the blood

(53:34):
you lose are your betterplayers, because they can go get
money and you got to draft guysand bring it.
It's's a lot of things to makea dynasty sustain and what we
often forget about with thesegreat dynasties when we talk
about what Bill and Tom did.
They had a lot of dormant yearswhere they were playoff teams

(53:54):
but they weren't Super Bowlcontenders and they weren't
getting there and it was okay.
I just think that becausePatrick did so much so fast with
social media, as opposed towhen Tom Brady did it.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Patrick Mahomes was also like Tom Brady and Peyton
Manning at the same time withAaron Rogers.
Style of player, For sure, youput more into it.
But then you add the socialmedia aspect of it.
You add the first take aspectof it.
So now we're talking about himas the GOAT all the time and
that's not real sports life.
But we're pressed to get.

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We got to push, yeah yeah, no,no, no.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I just wanted to hit just a few quick hits while just
real quick Bengals lookterrible.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
No, no, no, no.
But before you hit those quickhits like I wasn't done, I had
one more thing on this game.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
We've got to get rid of the Brazil game.
It's got to go Like a Fridaynight football game.
Bro.
Some of us want to go watchfootball in person.
Don't put us in that position.
And why are we playing inBrazil?
We're not even playing on areal football field.
There were issues with theplaying surface last year.

(55:07):
I understand growth, Iunderstand scaling, I understand
you have the demand and all ofthat stuff.
But NFL I know you're a venturecapital firm, but your main
product is still art.
It is not just science.
It takes real people to do this, to make it entertaining, yeah,

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and it takes real strategy andskill to get the top tier people
who are involved in this gamethat make it entertaining and
have the desire to want to beinvolved in this game, that make
it entertaining and to have thedesire to want to be involved
in football.
So don't get caught up in allthe, the hot dogs, the beer, the
, the nice looking stadium andforget about the product on the

(55:52):
field and having a team havingto go to brazil, eat shitty food
, not be able to leave the hotel, play on a terrible playing
surface, then have to fly allthe way back to America,
reacclimate and then get readyto play a game the next week.
That's bullshit and that isweakening the product.

(56:13):
Now you can play other bullshitgames that we don't care about.
You got 30 seconds.
We got to get to a game of theweek.
Of course.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
But I agree with you, by the way.
Just quick questions More orless about the Bengals or the
Browns?
141 yards from the Bengalsone-point win Doesn't cover for
the six-pack.
More about the Bengals, lessabout the Browns.
Less about the Bengals, moreabout the Browns.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
The Bengals are who we thought they were.
The Browns less about theBengals, more about the Browns.
The Bengals are who we thoughtthey were.
The Browns are who they've beenand we just didn't want to
believe it, because they're theBrowns.
Kevin Stefanski has beenrunning a great program over
there.
Despite quarterback, despitetalent on the roster, he's
running a great operation overthere.
The Bengals have a good roster.
They're not a good operationand you know what the good

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operation usually is going to dowell against the good talent.
But at the end of the day, youcan't beat good talent.
Like, if you don't have thetalent, you can't beat the
talent.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
More impressed with the Air Riders or more impressed
with the Jets offense.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
More impressed with Aaron Rodgers or more impressed
with the Jets offense?
More impressed with the Jetsoffense because I didn't believe
that Aaron Rodgers was ascooked as we wanted to make him.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Okay, I can agree with that.
I was beating the drum for you.
I'm like, hey look, I promiseyou he's not that bad.
I just promised you he was onthe Jets, but maybe the Jets are
turning over a new leaf.
I mean, we'll get to see ifthey get Buffalo this week and
Buffalo, you know, did give up40 points and we will get to
them right after this one.
Last question Lions-Packers,which obviously we did get to

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watch a little bit of.
Yeah, are you beating the drumthat everybody else is doing in
media period and saying thePackers might be the best team
in the NFL this year?

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I'm not going to call them the best team in the NFL,
but I was kind of high on thePackers through my offseason
research.
I believe in the Packers as anorganization and when you throw,
I mean just organization, topto bottom.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah top to bottom.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, the guys that clean up the bathrooms do a
phenomenal job.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I mean just organization.
Yeah, top to bottom.
Yeah, the guys that clean upthe bathrooms do a phenomenal
job, I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
And when you get Micah Parsons and you still had
good interior line play aftergiving up your Pro Bowl interior
D lineman, who's you know, 30,31.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And Micah isn't even Micah yet.
He had a bad back and newdefense and no training camp.
I don't think the pundits areoverreacting, but I don't agree.
I won't.
We have the same.
I feel the same way they do,but for different reasons.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Different motivations .
That's fair.
Let's get to it then.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I didn't even bring it up in my notes about how I
felt about the Packers.
That's my point.
I feel that way, but I'm notgoing to put it out there
because that's the hot thing tosay.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
For sure.
Let's get to it then.
Game of the week, but certainlymaybe even game of the year
already.
How blessed are we as footballfans to be able to get so much
in week one every year?
Every year we get a game andwe're like, wow, and it's
usually Lamar.

(59:37):
Well, it certainly was lastyear, because I think we can all
argue that was probably thebest game of the year.
Last year Falcons-Bucks.
A lot of people got underratedbecause it was a Thursday night.
That game was great too, beingthere and Matt and all that was
great.
But that was a great game.
If you're a fan of ball, thatgame was great too.
But everybody would argue,certainly, that the

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Chiefs-Ravens was the top gamelast year.
Then we get a repeatperformance, this time on Sunday
night football instead ofThursday.
But we still got Chris and MikeTirico to call the game for the
last home opener at OrchardPark.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
How many pairs of underwear do you think Chris had
in the booth with him?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Man, let me tell you, chris' dressing room he's got.
You know, when somebody's agooner, they've got a lot of the
point, a lot of different stuffaround them.
Chris has his own dressing room.
I don't think he might not evenwear the underwear at that
point because he's got plenty oftowels, you know.
So every time they got acommercial break, every time

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there's a quarter break, ahalftime break or whatever, he
goes in there he cleans himselfup and he gets ready to call
some more football.
But I mean, what a game, what agame.
What a game it was one of thosethings where you watch the game
and you don't stop watching.

(01:01:05):
There are people in Buffalothat clearly did, but you don't
stop watching because you'relike well, gosh, it's still only
a two-score game, all it takesis one score and then the rest
kind of can figure itself outfrom there for anything.
And if it was Derrick HenryFung with that boss said, oh no,
I said he's having literallyall the best opening nights and

(01:01:26):
it's just like I just don't seethis ending.
Well, because again it's dejavu.
This time it's with those birdsand not ours.
And you see, you know, you knowsomething similar, something
we've seen before.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, man, I hated the outcome of this game because
of the media narratives that Iwas concerned about and
thankfully the game was playedin a way that we didn't blame

(01:02:05):
Lamar, Because I didn't wantLamar to be blamed because this
quarterback stuff.
You know, I say Lamar is AngelReese and Josh Allen is Kaitlin
Clark, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
That is.
That's a terrible comparisonthat I'm going to call oh, it's
not.
Maybe from a media perspective,yes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I'm not talking about them as talents, by no means.
I'm only talking about thesupport behind them and the
narratives they get, that thatthat get assigned to them and
the way that the people speakfor them.
That that's all Okay.
Yeah, no, angel Reese isnowhere near an MVP.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
No, no, no, you cleaned that up.
You cleaned it up, oh yeah.
Just like Chris did after thefirst quarter Go ahead, but
thankfully the attention wasgiven to Harbaugh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
But here I'm going to give John Harbaugh some bail,
because in the last five yearshe also has the most blowout
wins and they get up early andit's hard to maintain leads in
games.
You're talking about differentlevels of motivation.
You're talking about changingyour offensive strategy, because

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you're now trying to kill clockand move the ball and that can
put you in third and nine, thirdand obvious passing.
It's a difficult place to playfrom and you don't get there
without winning a lot.
It's hard, it's much harder tomaintain a big lead against a

(01:03:52):
good team than it is to go backand forth or be in the game,
because you're not changing yourgame plan as much and everybody
is on their P's and Q's theentire game, because every move
matters when you're up 25 to 40,man, we done over with dog,
yeah.
So I just want to make surethat's a part of it, because

(01:04:19):
think about yourself on your job.
How do you work when you'reworking on timeline and you know
you have to meet a deadline,versus when you're just going in
and just doing the dailyroutine?
Or you're working towards adeadline and you get ahead.

(01:04:39):
You're like oh shit, I knockedout a week's worth of work in a
day and I only got anotherweek's worth of work left, and I
got this whole week to get itdone, which means I can get this
shit done.
You start lollygagging andbullshitting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
You do, and I think that a lot of people work better
under pressure because you knowthat you have to get it done
right, exactly, and especiallyin the nfl.
It's just a really common themeand that's exactly why people
watch the games right, becauseit really isn't over until the
clock is triple zero.
Uh, check our bio out, guys.
But anyways, I like bring thatup because it's so true, it's,

(01:05:17):
it's, it's true, it's true inany sport and that's exactly why
we watch.
Uh, anything can happen,anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
And you know, josh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Allen just proved it.
But when you have two eliteoffenses like that and I think
that this is why Josh Allen toto your Caitlin Clark, angel
Reese comparison, why Josh Allengets so much love, is because
he doesn't have Derrick Henry,james Cook's good, but he's not
Derrick Henry, zay Flowers, zayFlowers, mark Andrews no, no no,

(01:05:49):
no, that's not why he gets thelove.
Stop, stop, are you saying it'sjust because he's white,
literally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
In the comparison that I'm making, I'm speaking to
people's biases in how theypush what they want to push.
Okay, the supporting cast havenothing to do with.
It has nothing to do with playon the field.
It is simply the way that thereis a black versus white media

(01:06:26):
narrative.
That works in sports reallywell, and I could have said bird
and magic.
That probably would have beenbetter for you because you're
talking about two top endplayers, but it's the same.
It's the same template.
I just use Caitlin and Angelbecause it's the more recent
version, more popular version ofit.
So, before you start trying toprovide some analysis to it,

(01:06:48):
there is no sports analysis thatgoes with this.
It's culturally driven.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
You mean?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
it's strictly for culture.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It's about what I like, what's strictly for
culture.
Oh, it's about what I like,what I relate to, what I will
this, what will I, what I willdismiss because I like this
person more, and what would Iwill, what I will, uh, allow
because I like my guy, or what Iwon't allow for this other
person because I don't like thatperson.
It is not a it's not, it is nota football argument.

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So I don't even want you to tryto make a football argument for
it here, because we wouldn'thave that type of conversation.
I would never say that JoshAllen is heralded as a top
quarterback in the league simplybecause he's white.
No, no, no.
I am saying that in the waythat he's covered and the way
that he's defended by the peoplewho choose to cover him and
defend him in that way issimilar, just like the people
who are pro Lamar, for whateverreasons, tend to overlook

(01:07:46):
certain Lamar things and thenthey will take it away from Josh
Allen simply because they aretrying to push their guy, their
narrative.
That's what that is.
It's not a football thing.
Okay, that's fair, that's whatthat is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
It's not a football thing.
Okay, that's fair.
Well, regardless, I think thatafter week one, Josh Allen
appears to be a seriouscontender to win the MVP again.
But Lamar played great.
I thought the Ravens lookedgood.

(01:08:20):
I don't think that there'sanything to worry about.
I don't think that they are ateam on one of these topics that
we've got here.
I don't think that they're inpanic mode at all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
No, but you know who is in panic mode who?
I'm reading the script.
We got to do panic mode quickif you want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah, for sure we're not going to have to follow the
timeline there.
But I don't think that theRavens are not one of those
teams that are in panic mode andwe can't overreact to them
blowing that lead.
They did it last year.
They still ended up gettingwhere they got.
They lost to the bills and theplayoffs.
I think that we might begetting ready.
I think that that's going to beour afc championship, but um,

(01:09:07):
who do you have in panic mode?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
oh, the dolphins 100 I mean they're on 10 I mean they
are in panic mode.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I think that I, if I have to give it a 1 through 10,
the Falcons are about at a 6.
I think that we're in panic modebecause of who we play this
week and how.
If you go 0-2, you literallyhave the toughest part of your
schedule coming up.
You're at Carolina, which is agame that you should win,
because Carolina still sucks.

(01:09:37):
That's the good thing.
They still suck.
They're not the team you facedat last week.
But then you get the Commandersand then you get the Bills.
They need to win that game.
That game's going to be kind ofimportant.
It's going to be importantbecause if you lose that game
and then, let's say you beatCarolina, you still got the
Commanders coming in and thenyou get the Bills next.

(01:09:59):
It doesn't look good from whatI.
I mean, the defense didn't lookbad, but you're gonna have to
score points against those twoteams.
So if the offense ain't clickingand the play calling is the
same.
We're in panic mode right nowthat's why that game was so
important.
You have to beat that team thatyou beat twice last year with
your other quarterback.
That's sitting on the benchlike you gotta win've got to win

(01:10:20):
that game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
So you got the Falcons in panic mode after
losing a tight game to adivision rival.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, I do.
I do because of the way ithappened, because Tampa didn't
even play that well, like theydidn't really play that well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Give the Falcons credit for that.
I do.
I do, but I'm just saying itwas a close game A call here, a
call there, a play here, a playthere.
We could have won that game.
I don't think we're in panicmode.
You want to know who I think'sin panic mode.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
I'm saying we're at six on the panic meter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
You want to know who I think's in panic mode.
Who's that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Ryan Pulse.
You know he is because of thesituation.
He's in the quarterback and thecoach are safe, so he's the
only, but he's not an extensionhey, I think ryan pose is in
panic mode because I don't thinkthe quarterback's safe.
I don't think the quarterback'sthe guy and I think he'll be

(01:11:19):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Let me, let me, let me, let me tell you Jesus, the
the coach didn't necessarilychoose the quarterback.
He chose the team.
He chose maybe the potential ofthe quarterback, but he did not
draft Caleb Williams.
Caleb Williams struggled lastyear he came out hot doing great
when he was on script Amazing10 for 10.

(01:11:43):
Love it.
But then he turned back intoCaleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Caleb Williams.
He's always been, because youremember his Heisman year at USC
.
I told you I didn't believe init.
I said he cannot ball on timeon target in rhythm.
He said he cannot put the ballon time on target in rhythm.
He does not do that.
So if Brian Pohl's more on,because you're saying that
they'll move on or that they'llcertainly bring in a veteran to

(01:12:10):
compete with him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Whether that be a Kirk Cousins or something next
year, we don't know.
We'll see.
But it sounds like you'resaying that Caleb Williams is in
panic mode too.
Where would you place that on aone to 10?
Him and Pulse If you gave itone to 10.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I think Pulse is sitting at a nice seven and,
knowing it can jump to 10 in twoweeks, I think Caleb Williams
won't be in panic mode becausehe I don't think he's going to
realize unless, unless BenJohnson starts going public, I

(01:12:46):
don't think he's going torealize that he can be on the
move too and it's unprecedented,it doesn't normally happen and
he may get polls, may be out thedoor at the end of this year
Again.
He just got the extension thatthat's very common in the NFL.
Hey, we'll give you a niceextension, then we get rid of
you here later, right.
And then Caleb, it's an exitpackage, exactly.

(01:13:09):
Then Caleb might get throughyear three, and then they don't
pick up that fifth-year option,they don't offer an extension.
It's like, hey, play out yourfourth year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
He's about a, two, three really.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yeah, but it can jump really high because I saw a
report that players prefer TysonBajent.
This was before the game.
They're not going to bench him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
So that won't be.
He won't get the same treatmentthat Bryce Young got.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
But I'm just saying Bryce Young got benched in his
second year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
They're not going to bench Caleb Williams.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I got you.
I didn't say he was going toget benched.
You're not letting me conclude.
I am going to cook, cook, cook,cook.
You know him, you'll be like myEnglish teacher over here oh my
goodness.
But no, I don't think he isgoing to run the risk of losing

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his job this year.
But when you hear the Bajanstuff, you hear it come out.
It shouldn't come out.
Then you see some of thefrustration that his coach had
with him throughout.
You see the differences betweenhim and Jared Goff, the
quarterback that the coach ismore comfortable with.
You start to think about someof the best, most brilliant
offensive minds.
They usually want quarterbackswho do exactly what they want

(01:14:28):
them to do, because their systemis is is is better than the
quarterback's talent.
Right, ok, I think that thereare going to be some some
clashes stylistically betweenBen Johnson and Caleb Williams.
If Caleb Williams does notlearn how to throw the ball from
the pocket where he needs to,when he needs to, and until he

(01:14:53):
can prove that consistently,caleb doesn't do it.
In year three we're looking fora new quarterback.
That's fair.
The polls will be the first onegone.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Caleb doesn't do it in year three.
We're looking for a newquarterback.
That's fair.
That's fair.
I've only got one more that Iwanted to get to, just because.
You got to get to it without anexplanation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
That's going to be tough to do.
Look at the clock.
Where are we at on the time?

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Let's not overreact to Daniel Jones.
Now.
Maybe Daniel Jones just reallyquickly.
Maybe Daniel Jones is the nextSam Donald, the next Baker
Mayfield, the next Geno Smith?
Maybe that is going to be hislane.
But let's not overreact to aperformance against a Dolphins
team that I think a lot ofpeople think is going to be one
of the worst in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Go ahead offense team that I think a lot of people
think is going to be one of theworst in the league.
Go ahead.
Well, should we overreact toRyan Clark, putting Peter
Schrager in his place and thenthe collective sports media,
then putting Ryan Clark in hisplace.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
How quickly can you pull it up?
Because I didn't even see it.
To be completely honest, whenyou put it on there.
I was like, well, what did hesay?
And I knew it wasn't about RC'stirade on how Brady, manning
and Breeze weren't generationalquarterbacks.
I know it doesn't have to dowith that right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
No, no, no, it was about CeeDee Lamb and AJ Brown
in their game.
Then pretty much Peter Schragerwas saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I should have did better homework but I, literally
when I saw it, I was like whatare you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Okay, here we go.
They call it on-air meltdown.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Are you feeling?
Okay?
You look at AJ Brown, which isthis number one wide receiver
who got one target all night,and then you got cd lamb.
But that's the when was the one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
That's the target.
But I'm saying when was the one?
I'm saying you could have itboth ways.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Four seconds left in the game on second and it was
the one target he runs the out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
You wake up this morning brown has had a better
day than cd lamb, you know whatyou wake up saying no, aj brown,
aj Brown's team is 1-0.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Of course, I get it, but the thing is this, though
and we shouldn't do this on TVhere you go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
He loves to do that, I think this is rude.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
That's the non-player .
Oh stop, no, ceedee Lamb is.
Let me tell you why I'm notsaying I'm not looking at
fantasy football.
Ryan, I'm not.
Don't, don't, don't belittle melike that.
I could come in and say asthree, all right, let me respond
to this real quick and I'll letyou go.
Ryan clark was valid in what hesaid.

(01:17:31):
I'm not a the big ryan clarkfan.
I agree with what he said.
Now, could he have not done allthe dramatics on the front end?
Could he have said, hey, from aplayer's AJ Brown's want to
know from a player's perspective.
Hey, I had a good night.
My stats weren't there, butwe're here to win games and
that's exactly what we did.
We won the game.

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I was available for my team.
I ran my routes.
I pulled coverage this way.
It allowed Shaquille to do this.
I blocked, I pulled coveragethis way it allowed to do this.
I block.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
it allowed Jalen Hurts to do that and, more
importantly, I got no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, but, but, but CD lamb.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Cd lamb had 10 catches for 107 yards on the
stat sheet, had drops.
He had a drop in the first half.
He had the big drop.
Uh, he had the two big drops inthe fourth quarter that were
obvious.
And and and those were plays.
One probably was a touchdown,one get some a first down, get
some close down there to go makea play to possibly win the game
.
So when you're not talking aboutindividual performance just for
and it's not about fantasy,peter schrager, it's about you
want to put up big stats inorder to help your team win

(01:18:44):
games.
Now, on a professional level,you want to put up big stats so
you can make money, because thisis your profession.
But we're looking at playingsports and you're not and you're
only concerned about your teamwinning.
You want to be the best versionof yourself in order to help
your team and, yes, in a vacuum.

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Ceedee Lamb had a better gamethan AJ Brown.
Ceedee Lamb may have won morethan AJ Brown.
Aj Brown may not have beengetting open.
I don't know.
Didn't watch the film.
I watched the game.
But AJ Brown won the game and,like Herm Edwards say, you play
to win the game, and then forPeter Schrager just to be so

(01:19:26):
shocked and appalled like oh, oh, whoa, whoa, we don't even need
to go there.
Yes, we do.
That's why we're here, that'swhy we have players and media.
People talk about sports forsports fans, because sometimes
the media has a perspective.
It's very valid.
The player has a perspectiveVery valid.

(01:19:47):
Both perspectives need to cometogether and clash.
And for y'all to get paid thehundreds of thousands and
millions you get paid to talkabout this stuff and research
this and do what you do, y'allhave to come together and clash.
This was a great thing.
But all you fucking square mediagroupies I love y'all, I'm one
of y'all too but that are comingout here to defend Peter

(01:20:10):
Schrager hey, be confident inwho you are, be confident in
being square media.
Parley Pete, we're square media.
We're being square media.
Parlay p I'm.
We're square media, we'realternative square media, but
nonetheless, we are square mediaand if we're having a
conversation with a player oncertain things, we will defer to

(01:20:32):
that player.
But just because somebody playedthe game does not mean they
understand the full context ofthe game, and even explaining
the game to a fan in the bestway they can talk ball.
But the reason why these mediapersonalities who did not play
the game and cover the game getpaid millions of dollars to

(01:20:53):
cover the game, because thepeople who watch the game, who
buy your jerseys, who show up,who buy the hot dogs, who buy
the PSLs, who throw the greenbillboards on the field, that we
don't see, all the people thathelp y'all get paid and watch
the games.
Listen to these people becausethey make you, they make what

(01:21:13):
you do.
That's super complex, simplefor them who don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah, for sure.
Well, because, again, noteverybody has time to watch
every game, and even thenationally televised games like
the season opener.
Now, I'm sure a lot of peopledid, but I might be a huge
football fan and I might work at8 o'clock.
So if I work in retail, I workat McDonald's Hell, I have my

(01:21:40):
own company.
Maybe I'm still working at 8o'clock and I didn't get to
watch the games.
The guys on TV don't watch thegames, I know, but they are
still the outlet to fans,because that is the sports
network.
That is the clip that gets cutup and put on social media.
Or just in general, anywherelike, anywhere, like are you

(01:22:02):
just, mike, just so having to beeating your breakfast?
Or just in general, anywhereLike.
I can hear myself, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Oh oh, I pressed the wrong button.
I thought I had it muted.
My bad, I was trying to.
I was doing something.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
OK, anyways, point being, I agree with you.
I don't think that where RC wasgoing with it.
But you're right, he could havepresented it a little bit
better and that's a him problem,you know, that's him in the
media.
But like I agree overall, Idon't think that there should be
any beef or anyone come and belike RC was wrong, ryan Schrader
was right in terms of the waythat they approach, talking

(01:22:40):
about and being critical orpraising any type of player.
I don't think that that shouldbe the case, but at the same
time, you know from a player'sperspective, that is correct,
it's, it is the absolute rightway to look at a game.
Nobody looks at a game when theteam wins because it's, it's,
it's, it's we've seen it we'sgreater than I, right?

(01:23:02):
yeah, you know, there is no I inteam like these are.
That's a cliche, that that youhear anyone that's played any
type of sport, whether it'speewee up to pros, because it's
true and that's true with anyorganization.
There is no one person unlessandy reed and patrick mahomes
getting to his bed and he saysI've got, you got to get him out

(01:23:25):
of here, or I'm out of herebecause then it does turn into I
only in those situations, butthose are few and far between.
You know, if mike wanted philgone phil's ass would have been
gone.
So and look actually not to getinto michael jordan, but just
real quick, mike would have cameback.
I mean, he said it in the lastdance, he would have came back.

(01:23:47):
They didn't want him.
But that's mike not evenputting himself first before the
team.
That's a that is a team greaterthan I.
That's an example of somebodydoing it.
And I I'm not here to praiseMichael Jordan.
I know we're not going to getinto LeBron man, no.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I wasn't.
You said Michael Jordan, notKobe.
If you would have brought upKobe, totally different.
I brought up Kobe first on theshow.
I'm not going to beat you up,bro.
I brought up Kobe and Matt Ryan, you brought up neither and you
haven't responded to anythingabout either of them in this
show.
So no, you're good, Keepcooking, King.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
But the truth is that's an example of somebody
putting the team because he saidno, this is our unit, this is
the way it's going to be.
It's either all of us, all forone, one for all, literally.
And so I love that idea and Ithink that it gets exemplified
even in a situation like that.
You know, I'm sure aj brownyeah, I'm sure he wish he had
more targets.

(01:24:42):
He just got his bag anyways.
But, like, certainly he wantsto continue to be productive
while helping the team.
But just because it doesn'tshow up in the stat line doesn't
mean that he wasn't productiveand it doesn't mean that he
didn't help the team.
But that's what it took to getthe w that day.
They got the W.
That's the most important thing.
They're on the, not Cincinnati,they're on the Kansas.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
City hey, but let me tell you two things right.
This conversation happensbecause of producers and square
media types that come up withthe topics.
So then you juxtapose these twoindividuals against each other
and try to say who had thebetter game when they were asked

(01:25:25):
to do different things.
They're on different teams andthe games were totally different
and I understand why you putthem, the two, together, because
one didn't really show up, wonthe game, show up in the stat
sheet.
Another guy shows up in thestat sheet but had big drops and
lost the game.

(01:25:47):
That's great, that's easy TVtalk.
But, more importantly, I thinkRyan Clark is getting his heat
because he's elevating himselfin this media game.
He's Draymond New Media.
People don't look at him thatway, but he's Draymond new media
Right and the square media.
They're afraid of the athletesand media.

(01:26:08):
And as Ryan Clark continues toascend, you know he has his
roles on ESPN he was doinginside NFL.
He was.
I mean, he has the pivot andthat's his and that's where he
can really show his value anddemand more money.
Because a lot of your squaremedia types, even the great ones
, have always been employees anddidn't start their own

(01:26:29):
platforms, because they did itthe old school way, right?
Peter Schrager is one of theguys.
Everybody loves Schrager, youknow he's.
He's everywhere.
He's on Fox, he's on ES, he'son ESPN, he's on NFL Network.
He's in the one big companythat owns all of these companies
.
He's one of those guys and Ithink they just are trying to

(01:26:51):
defend their position.
Get off my lawn and I'm notgoing to make it racial, it
isn't but I do think there's aracial component that goes into
all of this, even with the waythat some people respond to it
or how they even receive whatRyan Clark said.
I'm not saying that the peoplewho respond to support Peter

(01:27:14):
Schrager are racist or pro white, anti-black by no means.
But when a black player turnedmedia or pro-white, anti-black,
by no means.
But when a black player turnedmedia guy talks to the white
media guy and tells him why hedoesn't know what he's talking
about, that can sit in a weirdway for some people, just like

(01:27:36):
there are some black people whowatch that and it's like hell.
Yeah, tell his white ass to shutup.
He don't know what the hell hetalk about.
He ain't never played shit that, but that's.
You know, that's the reality,the reality that we live in that
they can't talk about on espnand we probably shouldn't talk
about if we want sponsorshipdeals, but it's the reality of
it.
You know what I mean yeah, yeah, and and and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
The reality of it is is that if we did one
sponsorship and talked about it,you know you let one of those
guys talk to somebody else hellhennessy will put you on.
You know it'll be something likethat.
It's not a racial thing.
I'm just telling you.
That's what the response wouldbe.
But but hey, it appeals to yourdemographic Absolutely, and we

(01:28:21):
can close this.
But all in all, I didn't thinkthat RC was out of line Me
neither he could have presentedit better, and if there's
anything anyone could say, it'sthat he could have presented it
better.
But aside from his point, hewasn't belittling him.
He was just simply saying look,I did play.

(01:28:42):
That is the player mentality.
One way or another, if you'rein a well coach, which the
eagles are, they're, uh, I mean,I guess they're coached all
right, but like, uh, a well-ranorganization top to bottom.
That's the mentality.
It's hey, hey, let's stack Ws.
You know, let's Jameis, winston, these things, let's eat them,

(01:29:04):
let's eat Ws.
And the Eagles have done that.
They have lost one game sinceweek four of last year, since
week five of last year, whichmaybe we'll get to once we get
to the picks, maybe that's ahint to what I'm going to do.
But you know, we'll see.
We'll see about the picks.
Maybe that's a hint to what I'mgoing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
We'll see.
We'll see about that.
Let's see, man, we've got 30minutes to punch through a lot
of stuff.
I'll try to keep us on top 10minutes on Young Thug.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Man, we can probably do 10, him, 5, WNBA, and then we
can fill out the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
All right, betts.
So I mean you put it in here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Yeah, King Kwan Did it answer more.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
You got more questions.
You know what.
You are steering this show.
Let me just be a passenger,princess no.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
And let you go.
Don't call it that, I'm sorrywhat.
Don't call it that, I'm sorrywhat, but I don't know if you
did get to finish that.
I know when we spoke youweren't done with it yet, but
you still saw a good majority ofit.
Obviously it's turned into awalking meme on Instagram, all
social media platforms and, ingeneral, if you look at somebody
like Young Thug us beingGeorgians, and certainly in

(01:30:20):
Atlanta, no matter what, duringthat period where he did become
Young Thug, where the world wasintroduced to him, we were there
.
I know you had a quick storyand we'll let you tell it
quickly on it, but in general,in terms of you meeting him, you
got to meet him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Oh, yeah, back in 20- .

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
But that gets back to his part, to to everything that
he talked about in theinterview, because he talked
about what type of person he isand I know that you had, you had
no issues with him and it wassomebody.
It was a producer instead,somebody he was putting on.
But the thing is, is this mybiggest takeaways from it was
that I think he was telling thetruth.
I do, and maybe he wasn't, butI think he that.

(01:30:59):
I think he was telling thetruth I do, and maybe he wasn't,
but I think he was.
I think he was telling thetruth.
He's not hell, he's your age,he's, I mean, we're all
basically around the same age.
So for me, I looked at it aslooking at a peer and a peer
talking about something.
I know nothing about streetlife in Atlanta.

(01:31:20):
I've seen a lot of street shit,especially living over here,
and just kind of the way thatpeople interact and this is kind
of it's not his neighborhood,but it's a rival.
These are the neighborhoods andso when I think about
everything that he said, Ibelieve them.
I believe everything that Thugsaid for the most part.

(01:31:44):
Um, I understood both sides.
I understood both sides.
I understand why donna did whathe did.
But I also understand why thugfeels the way that he feels,
based on everything he put inthe interview.
And I questioned why big bankgot the interview and I was
wrong.
That was the perfect person todo this interview a old school

(01:32:06):
street dude from atlanta thatwas.
He was very even killthroughout the whole thing shout
outs to big bank because Ithink that literally there was
not a better person to do itthan him.
Um, he could, thug, could havewent on button or he could have
went anywhere and did it right,like in reality, because
everybody would have wanted itnow keep it homegrown and and

(01:32:28):
put I had never.
I didn't even know big bank hada.
I didn't know that.
So you're out the loop, man yougotta catch up I am, I, I am, I
am.
I'm not a social media person,but point being, it was great.
It was great.
I thought that it was a greatinterview.
It felt very raw, authentic.
They clearly didn't cut.

(01:32:49):
I don't think they cut anythingout.
It was three hours long.
It was great.
I enjoyed it.
I thought that it answeredquestions.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
I thought that it answered questions.
But my question for you, basedon what you saw, were there more
answers to questions or morequestions that need an answer?
I think he answered a lot ofquestions and I left conflicted.
So I have more questions onlybecause I received more answers.
So for one, I want to just givea big shout out to Big Bank for
doing an amazing interview.
The way that he asked hisquestions, the way that he

(01:33:27):
humanized Thug, the way he alsoheld him accountable, it was
just, it was amazing.
And as somebody who is investedin seeing Atlanta be great and a
guy who comes from the streetbut also has removed himself
from that lifestyle but heunderstands it, he respects it,
but he but he, by all accounts,he's not moving that way I go

(01:33:51):
hell of a job because when Ilisten to interviews, I go could
I have done a better interviewthan this person?
And I go there's no way in hellI could, I could have that type
of conversation with thugbecause I'm so far removed from
that lifestyle and understandingAtlanta in that way.

(01:34:12):
So, like you, like JoeButtonham said today, I was
listening to him Shout out tobank for doing the interview and
shout out to people doingregional interviews.
There's a reason why you shouldgo as an artist, you should go,
sit down with people who knowyou and love you actually love
you not want to cloud off of you, but know you and love you who

(01:34:32):
will talk to you but then alsohold you accountable for your BS
.
But my biggest conflict camejust hearing how he grew up and
hearing how he grew up and howhe responded to his trauma and
how that manifested itself today.
You know, because he talkedabout being a giver but also not

(01:34:54):
valuing life.
You know, fuck it, we getlocked up in life.
We get life.
That's the game.
No, no, you have more to livefor.
Life is more valuable than that.
I understand your brother waswilling to take life because
somebody said they were going torob him and he ended up losing

(01:35:16):
his life for trying to takethose people's lives, because a
couple thousand dollars areworth of is worth a life.
Right.
Then you, you come, you ascendfrom the streets, you build a
record label, you, you build arap career, you, you, you I mean
you got gonna have a hotterartist than you are and you are
a top tier artist who's done asong with what phil collins?

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
no, he did it with uh that other one.
No, he did it with uh uh, johnl, john l john, sorry you've
done a song with elton john.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
You know what I mean, like you've offended from this
street life.
But because of how you wereraised and your experiences your
daddy having 15 kids, your mamahaving 11 kids, y'all being in
a house together there's notenough love for you to receive
the proper amount, there's notenough time to give you the
proper guidance, there's toomany distractions going on so

(01:36:15):
you can't be focused oneverything you should be focused
on and your parents can't befocused on you the way that they
should.
And it helps you understand theperson.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
But when you still disagree with the person and you
hear him say I didn't realize Iwas fucked up, this should
happen.
It's like, dang bro, You'redelusional, and not even like
you're a stupid idiot and likeI'm not judging you for being
delusional because you've beenso successful living this crazy,

(01:36:49):
abnormal way of life.
That's probably not too crazyand abnormal to people who come
from that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Yeah that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
it's like being told domestic violence is wrong your
whole life, but watching yourmom and daddy fight and stay
together and love each other.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Yeah, it can be a selling trauma, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
It normalizes it.
So all of it was just a lot.
And the one thing I didn't likeI didn't like in the gunner
conversation when he talkedabout how he gave gun to this.
He didn't take this money, hehelped pay for Gunna Mama's
house.
He bought the car, all of that,and he let Gunna present it.
Well, if you did that, becauseyou love Gunna, you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
It didn't need to be brought up right then and there
either.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
You'd never bring it up One way or another.
Even if you feel betrayed byGunna because, again, you
haven't talked to gunner, youdon't understand gunner's
understanding and I don't knowwhat their true relationship was
.
I don't know what gunner'sstreet life was like.
I don't know what fuck what hesaid.
What did he?
Walk day to day around theseguys who were doing street stuff

(01:37:57):
?
Now, was he the guy who may so,who may like, smoke some weed,
throw a little weed, kept apistol on him?
But was he really making plays?
Was he really a stepper?
Was he really flipping packs?
Was he really kicking does?
It's a little bit different.
So when you say, yeah, but whatGunnar said could have put me
behind bars for the rest of mylife, hey, what you did could

(01:38:19):
have put him behind bars for therest of his life, just by being
associated with you.
Yeah, you put him on.
Yeah, you put millions in hispocket.
But just because you put me on,you put millions in my pocket,
doesn't mean I owe you my lifefor things that you did, that I
wasn't involved with, that Ididn't consent to.
You consented to put money intome to.

(01:38:43):
You can send it to put moneyinto me, whether you wanted to
see me grow because you loved it, or you wanted to add
validation to your record label,or you wanted to get the money
back because I'm profitable, youstill benefited from what we
did here, so I shouldn't have toput my life on the line when
I'm not living that way.
And I'm so tired of these streetpodcasts and this is why I
think we're so important here isy'all want to knock a nigga for

(01:39:06):
ratting, but you don't knockhim for being a criminal.
Well, we come from theseenvironments and this, and that
Yo have a song with Elton John.
You ain't got to kill shit.
You ain't got to entertain shit.
You ain't leave Atlanta, moveto Hollywood, get out the

(01:39:27):
streets.
If the people around you don'twant to get out the streets, cut
them off.
If you cut them off, they can'tget you in the hidden hills.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
And this is completely off topic from the
perspective of what you'retalking about, but it's on base
with, uh, the regional talk,what you were talking about and
it's only because I meant tobring this up earlier and I'll
be very quickly, but it was sentinto our group chat about
bleacher report and how who wason the hot seat and stuff

(01:40:00):
raheeem his seat's warm,apparently, but this was the
write-up for him.
Morris did double Atlanta's wintotal in 2024.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
I don't even have to read the rest, and there's
another error in there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
But the point is, is that who the fuck wrote this?
Somebody that doesn't watch theteam?
Somebody that didn't even doenough research to realize that
the Falcons won one more?

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
game.
It was 7-10 and 8-9.
What the fuck is he talking?

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
about and he could get some leeway based on the
fact that he's working with therookie quarterback in a
defensive transition, but anysort of backward step could cost
him his job, considering theoffensive talent on the roster.
The only thing that was truewas that last sentence.
Everything else was falsebecause that's somebody that
doesn't pay attention.
But these are who we have asnational media people, which is

(01:40:48):
why it's good that there wassomebody like Big Bank in order
to fucking do the interview, andthat, I guess, is my point out
of all of that.
But I agree with what you'resaying.
Why do we?
Why is it that snitchingculture is?

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
It's worse to be a snitch than to be a killer.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
We praise Boosie but hate Charleston White.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
It's true.
Hey, Point Guard, you want toget us to our next topic.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Yeah, I don't see why not.
The WNBA playoffs are almosthere and our studs are, you know
, right now currently battlingto get the second seed.
They look like they are goingto win.
They're up 12.
I mean, anything can happen,right?
That's the point.
It's not on cable the secondseed.

(01:41:45):
They look like they are goingto win.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
They're up 12.
Anything can happen, right,that's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
It's not on cable by the way, not on cable, you know
that it would be.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
You ask for more money, but you can't even get on
cable for an important game foryour playoff seeding.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Maybe that's the way.
That's just what did.
Marlon Wayans said this inAbove the Room.
He said when Tupac BirdieBirdie is the character when he
pumped him, what's his fuckingname he came up to him and he
basically was just like hey man,what's up with that?
He's like man.
He basically was just like heyman, what's up with that?
He's like man.
That's just Birdie being Birdie, and maybe that's just what the

(01:42:27):
WNBA is.
That's just the W being the W.
Right, but overall, fascinatingseason for them and just in
general, the Aces look like theywere dead in water and they're
on their way to 17 straight winsto close out the season and
possibly get the two seed.
I guess we'll see tomorrow, but, um, yeah, based on all the w

(01:42:50):
that you've watched this seasonI hate that we don't have wayne
on it.
We'll probably get him maybefor the next show so that we can
get uh, the w and wayne's debuton was winning WWW, our WWW.
It's actually a fourth W.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Who do we like, Bro?
There's only one story to talkabout in the W right now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
Yeah, but who do you still?
Who do you like It'll be anoff-season matter?

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
We'll talk about it just because it's breaking news.
There is only one topic in theW that we can talk about.
That would do numbers on TikTok.
But who do I like?
Honestly, I like Vegas, if theycan stay hot.
I don't know if they're goingto flame out because they've
been so hot for so long.
I'm worried about Minnesotabecause the thesis has been out

(01:43:47):
a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Yeah, but they've been winning without her too.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
I know, but I don't think they can win a
championship without her.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
And if they win a championship without her, she's
not an MVP.
I think Asia's the MVP thisyear.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
I was looking at, I was watching the game the other
night and they were putting upMVP stuff.
They put up Nafisa, they put upShorty from Phoenix, alyssa
Thomas.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
So they had Nafisa's stats, all of that stuff they
had not.
Angel, Jesus Christ, I am sosorry, Forgive me, that's
ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
That was ridiculous.
But they put up Asia stats andthey put Alyssa Thomas Leads the
league record triple-doubleseven and I go.

(01:44:34):
Is she going to get the RussMVP?
Nigga Maybe.
Well is Angel going to gettraded?
Traded?

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
that's the real question does angel reese get
traded?
Yeah, she's clearly acting likea malcontent, or at least
that's the way that it's beingportrayed, and she said it out
of her own mouth, I mean.
So I guess that's it's not likethat was a quote.
She said it Like you know,there's audio of it, but sure

(01:45:08):
she'll get traded, but wherewould she go?
I mean there's what?
12?
Now there's 13 teams in theleague right or 14.
I'm sorry for not rememberingbut I know it was like 12.
So maybe it's 13.
With the Valkyries joining thisyear.
They're a brand-new team.
Maybe that would be a landingspot for them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Whitlock says she wants to go to Dallas and team
up with Paige.
I don't take anything Whitlocksays seriously about Angel Reese
as far as what she wants inlife.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Because I know he has no insight into her circle.
He's just making assumptions.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Well, she came out and said he had no insight
either.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
I don't see much of what she says.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
No, that's what he it was on Twitter.
Yeah, you're right, it came upon my top.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
I think Angel is going to learn a hard lesson
Although ESPN owns Anscape, youshould care about what ESPN
posts about you and not whatAnscape posts about you.
You should care more aboutBleacher Report than the Shade
Room.
You should care more aboutbeing producing on the

(01:46:25):
basketball field, on thebasketball court, than producing
your podcast.
And I'm saying that not to tosay she should have her
off-field ventures.
She should.
I support her off-field venturesyeah but what I think is that
the people that angel listens tocome from a supportive side,

(01:46:45):
that is not the basketball side,and she is marketable as hell.
You can put her in Fashion Nova, you can put her in Reebok, you
can throw in a commercial.
The baddies love her, all ofthat.
But without being a basketballplayer, none of that stuff
exists.
Keep the main thing, the mainthing.

(01:47:06):
She's a nice-looking girl, butshe's not IG model bad, she's
the fine basketball player, thebasketball player.
You got to be a basketballplayer.
You ain't like old girl you waswith with Jalen Brown in Vegas.
No, no, no, she's fine and Ifound out she played basketball.

(01:47:26):
She's different breed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are thefine basketball player.
So if you lose basketball, Idon't know if all this other
stuff exists for you to continueliving this life you want to,
unless you're then gonna just bea, a plus one.
That's different.
You can still get your bagsthere, you can still get some

(01:47:46):
deals, but you're not going toget the notoriety.
You're not going to have theshoe deal like.
You're not going to get a, afashion shoe, like a light, like
you know, I mean yeah listen tolebron.
Like players want to talk aboutbuilding businesses outside of
basketball.
Lebron has done it better thananybody Top tier.
He made basketball the mainthing.

(01:48:08):
Kevin Durant built another niceempire outside of basketball
Guess what he's best at.
Guess what he's best known forBasketball.
Steph Curry got a lot of stuffgoing outside of basketball
making a lot of money.
That's what he's known for,Basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
It's fucking crazy that a basketball player is
being known for playingbasketball.
Well, but speaking ofbasketball, we did have the
basketball hall and the Hall ofFame, the Naismith Basketball
Hall of Fame, yep, and obviouslythe marquee guys were Carmelo,
dwight Howard, the O-8, andMoore.
Of course, I forgot who elsewas on the list, but shout out

(01:48:52):
to Maya Moore obviously, sueBurt.
Oh, sue Burt went in.
Okay, well then, yeah, sue Burtas well.
I think Danny Crawford thereferee Maya Moore, though just
shout out to her because she's aGeorgia product, arguably
because she was playing while wewere in high school but,
arguably, you could argue, ifshe didn't end her career early.

(01:49:13):
Maybe the best women'sbasketball player we've ever
seen.
She won three titles at leastwith Minnesota.
A couple MVPs all-star everyyear she's on all the 25th
anniversary, she's all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
And she's great at Connecticut.
Let's get to the meat andpotatoes.
You know what we're here forwhy not?

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
But you got to give the Georgia girl a shout-out.
Give the Georgia boy ashout-out too Dwight Howard, who
should have been on the All-NBA75 team.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
That's where I kind of wanted to go real quick on
this.
Congratulations to the Hall ofFamers.
Nice little handoff there.
Huh, yeah, you know, I saw thisside-by-side of Dwight and
Mello's career achievements andI think I sent it to you on
Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
I just started going down the line and I said,
outside of a scoring title,dwight eclipses Melo in
everything.
Dwight led a team to the finals.
Dwight was an integral part tothe Lakers finally winning a
championship and, although hisprime did not extend as long as

(01:50:27):
we expected it to and go the waythat it did, he was good in
Houston.
He wasn't bad in Atlanta,washington or Charlotte.
It was just a bad basketballsituation, yeah.
And then you saw what he didfor the Lakers the Lakers
haven't beat Denver since Dwightleft the building.
Basketball situation yeah.
And then you saw what he didfor the Lakers the Lakers
haven't beat Denver since Dwightleft the building.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
And I just go wow, melo has all 75 over Dwight
Howard.
I know we talked about DameLillard and AD and all of that
stuff, but Melo should be onthat chopping block, like Melo
should be in that conversationof guys who Dwight Howard should
have clearly and obviously madetop 75 over.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
I'm not mad at Mello over Dane.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm not saying that Mello doesnot deserve to be on the all 75.
I say that he deserves becauseDwight didn't make it and he
made it.
Melo deserves to be in thatconversation of people that
Dwight could have been overExactly, but because Melo has a
name and a reputation and he's apart of the banana boat.

(01:51:36):
You know, he's like the odd one, the only one who hadn't been
to the finals.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Well, hey, he got two jackets Saturday.
Who Dwight no?
Well, they both did yeah well,you know, dwight plays for two
teams, allegedly.
Yeah, no, I'm saying, but Melotoo, I'm saying they both got.
I guess I forgot Dwight's onthe 018, too, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Quick Melo question for you, because we got to get
out of here quick.
Does Mello deserve a statue?
No, does he deserve to have ajersey retired?

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Because Bernard King has one with the Knicks and he
deserves one too.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Mello didn't get past the second round.
Bernard King didn't winanything with the Knicks, so
yeah, he deserves one too.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
Yeah, melo didn't get past the second round.
Bernard King didn't winanything with the Knicks in the
80s either.
Fair enough, that's why he getsone, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Okay, fair enough, you want to get to the picks now
and then, if we have any fillertime after that, we'll fill
with the other shit that wedidn't get to.
Yeah, we can get to a newsegment.
Possibly we'll see.
But yeah, I'm ready for college.
Uh, six pack.

(01:52:54):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's timefor parlay peas.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
College football sticks you're really killing
this, this micher thing,especially with that mic.
But regardless, yeah, we didokay in college football.
We were 4-2 last week, but I'llquickly go through these
because these most likely won'tget posted.
But we did pretty well incollege and I'll get to the NFL.

(01:53:16):
All right, we'll start off.
We got Vandy at South Carolina.
I really like over48-and-a-half.
Vandy scores the ball reallywell.
Diego Pavia dog Lenore Sellerspossibly can catapult to number
one pick.
I like over 48 and Vandy atSouth Carolina.
Next we got Utah at Wyoming.
Wyoming struggled to beat Akron.
Akron might be one of the worstteams in FBS.

(01:53:38):
Yeah, we're going to take Utahminus 23 and a half and they're
just so great defensively aswell.
Next we got New Mexico at UCLA.
Finally, nico Iamalaba shouldmost definitely cover this
spread.
Let's take UCLA minus 15 and ahalf here.
Next we got Oregon atNorthwestern Oregon, minus 27

(01:54:02):
and a half.
They beat the shit out ofOklahoma State.
They're going to do the Oregonat Northwestern Oregon minus
27.5.
They beat the shit out ofOklahoma State.
They're going to do the same toNorthwestern.
Next we got South Florida atMiami.
This game is spicy and they'resetting the line at the exact
same line.
I know Florida's not very good,clearly, because they lost
straight up, but South Florida,they got something to say.
So we're going to go ahead andtake South Florida, plus 17.5 at

(01:54:24):
Miami, and then finally, well,go Bulls, but now it's for you.
It's Rocky Top time.
We got Georgia at Tennessee.
Tennessee's top two corners arenot going to be playing and
even though Georgia didn't lookgreat against Austin Peay,
georgia should win this game.
So we're going to take Georgiamoney line.
We didn't hear him all becausehe was fixing something, but

(01:54:46):
over 40.5, vandy South Carolina,utah minus 23.5, ucla minus
15.5,.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Oregon minus 27.5,.
South Florida plus 17.5,Georgia.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Moneyline.
Thanks, man.
And just so you know, I wasgrabbing a pen to write the
picks down.
No, absolutely, it's all good,but again.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
I don't think, unless you're going to use it in at
least three.
I wrote my potentials down.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Yeah, Okay, Good deal , Good deal, All right, Ladies
and gentlemen, it's time forParley Pease.
Nfl 6.
666.
Anyone that follows these picksknows how bad last week was.
I've never done that before,but regardless, we will get into

(01:55:32):
it and we're going to go 6-0this week instead.
So we got Tampa Bay Buccaneersat Houston Texans I like over
42-1⁄2.
I know that we took the overlast week with that Texans game.
Tampa's going to score somepoints and the Texans really
don't have a choice but to thisweek Over 42.5 on Monday night.
Next we got the CarolinaPanthers at the Arizona
Cardinals.
Man, look, the Panthers fuckingsuck, and I'm just going to

(01:55:54):
keep it real, they're garbage.
We're going to take theCardinals to get off to that 2-0
start, 2-0 start minus 6.5 onthe Cardinals.
Next we got the SeattleSeahawks at the Pittsburgh
Steelers.
A little DK Metcalf revenge,and I like the idea of Rodgers
being at home.
Let's take the Steelers on themoney line.
Next we got the 49ers at theSaints.
It just came out not too longago Brock Purdy's not playing,

(01:56:16):
so this line could change.
But under 44.
We've got to take under 44 inthis game.
Future offenses McCaffrey'sgoing to get 30 carries or he
might not get 30, but they'regoing to run the ball 30 plus
top.
Next we got the Chargers at theRaiders Another Monday night
game.
I was impressed with what I sawat the Chargers.
We're going to take theChargers on the money line.
And then, finally, we got theJaguars at the Bengals.

(01:56:40):
At plus odds, Give me theBengals minus three and a half.
I think the offense had a gutcheck last week.
Jaguars defense not nearly asgood.
This one's exposed.
Bengals minus three and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
All righty, we've got Tampa Bay at Houston over 42
and a half.
We've got the Cards minus sixand a half.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
We've got the Steelards minus six and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Uh-huh, we've got the Steelers on the money.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
We got 49ers at Saints under 44.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
We got Chargers on the money.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
And we got the Bengals minus three and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
You got yourself a winning ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
You like it, then I'll if you like it, then I'll
love it, and when you love it,that means it's time for Lee's 3
.
Lee's 3.
, lee's 3.
You don't slow down.
New Kung Fu, kitty Whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Alright.
So I'm going to do something alittle bit different than normal
.
I'm going to take something alittle bit different than normal
.
I'm going to take two collegeand one pro.
Wow, that Oregon minus 27 and ahalf.
I just liked it so much, man.
I listened to Dan's pregamespeech and I said you know what
I like this guy and I didn'tlike when he did it to Chicago

(01:58:04):
or Colorado, but I like this guy, but anyways, let me push.
And then I got to take UGA.
I'm sorry I got to.
I don't believe in what we gotgoing on at Tennessee.
I may be an alum, but I'm aGeorgia fan and 49ers and Saints
under 44.
Mack Jones.
I don't believe in it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
Yeah, that line is probably going to change too,
because, literally, I took ascreenshot of this yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Hey, we've got a minute if you want to get off
the last topic, though.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
Well, we got something new here on the show,
guys, and it's called AC Lee andParley Pete got something to
say, shays of Andre 3000 at the95 VMAs and I got something to
say Can we stop with thekillings?

(01:58:58):
And this is not to just kind ofshed light on a topic we didn't
really touch, but the realityof it is is this People can hate
that dude for what he spews andwhat he says, and maybe he did
have it coming to him.
He still had a family and it'sunfortunate that he got killed.
I had never heard of him untiltoday, because I don't look at

(01:59:19):
that stuff and that stuffdoesn't pop up on my timeline.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
But yeah, that's kind of what I have to say.
Rest in peace to Charlie Kirk,rest in peace to anybody who
passed away Prayers for thefamilies, and the one thing I'll
say is hey, man, when publicfigures die, if it's not
positive, keep it to yourself,keep it to your group text,
because there are people outhere who really love and care
about these people and theydeserve to not have to deal with

(01:59:48):
people heckling just because oftheir political beliefs.
Hope you guys enjoyed the show,hope you're washed and I hope
you're winning AC Lee out.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Salutations good people.

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