Washed and Winning: Let That B*h Burn: Falcons First and Everything in Between

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SPEAKER_08 (00:30):
Hey, Parlay P, how you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_01 (00:33):
We are doing good.
How are we doing, AC Lee?

SPEAKER_08 (00:35):
Ah, man, not too bad.
You know, just uh got off fromwork today.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, you know, sitting here readyto talk to you, uh, dressed for
an Atlanta nigga funeral.

SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
Really, you look like you're selling kilos on
Miami Beach the way you'redressed right now.
See the gold change, you got thetaco meat hanging out.
I I wouldn't know any better.

SPEAKER_08 (01:04):
Hey, man.
You know the old school niggawho like to wear the Adidas
jumpsuits.
You know what I mean?
And talk about them dirty birds.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
I was waiting for you to pull out a boombox uh run
DMC.
I mean, gosh.
But uh no, I do recognize theall black, and I think it's
appropriate.

SPEAKER_08 (01:26):
And you know, I would like banter with you like
we normally do to start theshow, but in days like today, I
just think we need to just getto it now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37):
She's inspiring me to hold on to this.
I know this is something I gottado.

SPEAKER_08 (01:44):
Hey, YouTube man, don't flag us for this one.
We uh come who kiddy are youready to rise up, Parlay Peak?

SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
I figured you were gonna cut it off before it even
got to that point becausethere's nothing that's rising
about this team except theurgency to fire a coach.

SPEAKER_08 (02:12):
I I you know there is an urgency to fire a coach, a
lot of urgency to fire a coach,a few coaches, a couple of
coaches, actually.
Yeah, you know poor receiverscoach, scapegoat, bro.

(02:32):
Since when did firing areceivers coach change anything?
Unless he like had sex withsomebody on the staff's wife.
Like, what are we firing areceivers coach before the
midpoint in the season for?

SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
What are we firing the receivers coach?
What are we cutting a receiveron a week where you knew you
were gonna be short your starreceiver?
You bring down your offensivecoordinator to the to field
level after week, what was that,three?
Yeah, and we still haven'treally seen much of a
difference.

(03:04):
He's actually he just gets tosee it up close in person, like
more much more personally, ifanything, of how shitty his clay
calling is it's just time to letthis thing burn.

SPEAKER_08 (03:17):
We just need to get, you know, let's get some some
some Atlanta sage, right?
And and just take over the binsand just everybody light their
sage up at the same time andjust burn that shit out, man.
We've gotta get that, we'vegotta get that energy out of

(03:39):
there.
We've got to sage the theorganization.

SPEAKER_01 (03:45):
Lee, you know, coming into this game, I was
about 75% sure that we weren't aplayoff team.
And the reason why was once Ikept looking at the NFC
standings, I was like, okay,well, I know that we played two
teams that are five and two, orthey were five and two going

(04:06):
into last week.
And I said, okay, we lost to SanFrancisco.
So I was like, there's atiebreaker game.
Um, and they're only gonna gethealthier.
But um then I started looking atit, I was like, okay, Tampa's
this, they got that over us.
And I was like, damn, I waslike, well, Carolina's got
head-to-head.
Um, then I looked at the NFCNorth and I said, shit, I was

(04:26):
like, Chicago's four and two.
I was like, Detroit and GreenBay are bona fide playoff.
Those two teams are going toplayoffs.
I was like, I don't see where wefit in in this.
And you got the Rams, the bestteam in the West.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
That was those were the two fiveand two teams.
Then in Seattle, we still playthem.
Shit, but we play them, but thereality of the situation is

(04:48):
they're both five and two.
They look great.
Um, you know, I don't think thatthere's a better receiving combo
with running back combo thanwhat the Rams have.
Matt Safford has turned back thehand of time.
He looks like he did his firstyear in Los Angeles.
Oh, and then they've just got abetter coach than ours.

(05:09):
I mean, we're not gonna get intothe coaching aspect of all this.

SPEAKER_08 (05:12):
But our offensive coordinator, too.
Same thing.

SPEAKER_01 (05:14):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, just all the hey, we getoutclassed by just about every
organization I'm runningthrough.
Hell, even Dallas, who lost toDenver this past week, going
into last week, at least when Itold you I had the 75, I was
like, 75% of me is like, no,we're not a playoff team.
Now I'm at 100%.
I know that we're not a playoffteam.
We're not a playoff team.

(05:34):
And just the idea of watchingwhat we watched on Sunday.
What you watched.
Well, that you were in and outof.

SPEAKER_08 (05:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
Um, yeah, man, it's not a playoff team.
And I guess hard in our defense.
I know.
I mean Julian Turner startedKirk Cousins.
Because everybody the biggestFalcons hater started the backup
quarterback.

(06:06):
And that goes to show what theexpectations were going into
this game.
Even if he felt inclined to dothat.
Now, was it kind of a setup likegame for us to lose?
Low-key it was when you look atit hindsight-wise.
Not like you've got Devin A.
Chain on your fantasy footballteam.
Yes, I do.
What did Christian McCaffrey doto us the week before?

(06:27):
Oh, he went out and had likeseven or eight catches and he
had two over 200 plus yardstotal.
And it's like, hmm, McDaniels isof the same can of Shanahan.
He probably watched that filmand was like, hey, Devin, we
need you to go out there and dowhat Christian McCaffrey did
because they clearly can't stopfucking running backs out the
backfield.

SPEAKER_08 (06:47):
You know what Mike did?
Kyle, I know you don't listen toall of this shit, but you know
what's going on down here.
Send the files over.
Mike, check your spam.
I sent them over two days ago.

SPEAKER_01 (07:04):
Hey, he said, he said, hey, and you remember um
when we were all on the staff inWashington and Atlanta, you know
how Ra is.
Ra is just a rah-rah guy.
That's that's why they call himRa.
Nobody calls him Raheem, theycall him Ra because he's a
rah-rah guy.
And really, that R in Ra standsfor hard R today.
On this program, that's what theR and Ra stand.

(07:26):
It's a hard R.
He's hard R Ra.
Because that's the type ofbullshit that's getting put on
the field.
And honestly, I would have hadmore respect for Ra if I woke up
and it was, you know, it waswet, it was nasty outside Monday
morning.
So I did get breakfast and I gota coffee because I just chose

(07:48):
that as my drink.
It's either that or water.
I don't do that orange juice andstuff.
But um, I had my coffee and Ifigured I was gonna wake up to
the news of Zach Robinson hasbeen fired.
And I'm like, thank you, Raw.
You're growing a set of balls.
We got TJ Yates.
TJ Yates gonna be the OC.
Okay, fine.
Let's give him a shot.
Let's see what he can do.

(08:09):
He's a former quarterback.
I don't care if he's gonna Idon't care.

SPEAKER_08 (08:12):
I don't care if the new OC is good or bad.
I know who's bad.
I just want it to be different.

SPEAKER_01 (08:17):
Like I just want to see something different, you
know, and that news didn't come,and then you wait a day and you
get to Tuesday, and then Robreaffirms his belief in Zach
Robinson.
I said, okay, these guys take aplaybook out of the McKay, the
McKay files.
They say what any organizationwould say to show that they're

(08:41):
banded together, there's noturmoil, nobody's pissed about
the result.
We wish it went a different way,but we're not really pissed
about it.
We're gonna stick togetherbecause we believe what we're
doing here from training campall the way to game eight, it's
working.
We believe that this is gonnawork.
Trust the process, right?
Trust the pistol.
That's fucking bullshit, is whatit is.

(09:02):
And Rich McKay, somebody needsto the FBI.
We need to get uh uh and PabloTorre working separately.
Let's go.
Yeah, we need these guys to comein and we need to figure out
what does he have on Arthur uhBlank?
What does he have?
Because does anything make senseanymore?

(09:24):
Like what's going on?
We went from a franchise thatwas somewhat ran well, I think
at least during that the theinitial phases of Matt Ryan,
Mike Smith, and Thomas Dmitroff,what appeared to be a
functioning organization too.
We're a dysfunctionorganizationally.

SPEAKER_08 (09:41):
Let me stop you right there.
We owe Thomas Dmitroff anapology.
Because we were upset that yeah,Dmitrov missed some draft picks,
it happens.
We were upset with T D becauseour team was struggling and we

(10:02):
were in cat pill.
But we were in catpill becausetwo of the greatest Falcons,
arguably the two greatestFalcons of all time, on the back
end of their career, coming offof back-to-back playoff
appearances, a Super Bowlappearance, and then also coming
up uh Julio dropped short, whichshould have told us something,

(10:23):
uh, of beating the eventualSuper Bowl champions.
So we had to pay him.
Because that's what a good loyalteam does, and that's who the
Falcons were.
A loyal team to loyal Falcons.
And hey, we might have a downyear or two because we're taking
care of our guys, but we'regonna take care of our guys

(10:44):
who've taken care of us.
From a football point of view,not the smartest way to run a
team, you know, but from a froma team family, even for the fans
who want to yell about a MattRyan uh pick or that stupid sack
he takes on uh second and seven,you know.
But we love these guys.

(11:05):
And T D did right by these guys,paid them at the top of the
market because they came off ofthose types of seasons that
rated uh top of the market pay.
And then we get we fired TDbecause he put us in cap hell,
but we knew he was gonna put usin cap hell based on these
moves.
And since TD left, this shit'sfalling apart.

(11:26):
Well, remember, they fought weno longer have a patriot in the
building.
An important one.

unknown (11:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (11:36):
We let two leave.
You know, we let two leave, andone of them is he might win his
fucking division.
I mean, the guys we let walk outthe door.
Yeah, less need.
I'm not talking about less need.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I know, but I'm justbringing up more people that
have been in the building thatare gone.
I'm talking about the guys welet in the building who we

(11:58):
didn't have to let out becausewe could have given them a
godfather offer and we didn't.
I'm talking about Jim Harbaugh,I'm talking about Mike Vrabel,
I'm talking about Ben Johnson.
You know, like this is whatwe're talking about here.
It's just overall incompetence.

(12:21):
As far as I'm concerned, ArthurBlake is Joe Biden.

SPEAKER_01 (12:25):
Damn near.
But and and here's the worstpart.
You know, I noticed you didn'tbring up Bill, right?
And I know that Bill is having ahard time in Chapel Hill right
now.
But like, I tell you what, theoffensive coordinator that we
know he would have brought withhim, he fucking isn't.
That offense looks great, and weget to face it this week.

SPEAKER_08 (12:44):
Well, well, the GM, who we have praised recently on
this podcast, I think we'vewe're to a place where we're not
upset with Terry anymore for hisroster construction.

SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
No, we're not mad at what Terry has picked out the
best possible groceries you canto cook this meal.
And we know Terry didn't pickthe coach.
Terry doesn't have any say, iswhat I'm starting to think,
outside of in the draft room.
I don't think he has say overanything else.

SPEAKER_08 (13:14):
And now the only problem with Bill, we know who
Bill's bringing.
He's bringing his luggage, andit ain't Louis V, it's Lombardi.

SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
But at this point, will we just not be okay with
that even?

SPEAKER_08 (13:32):
I mean, Terry would be more impotent than he is now,
and that's not a shot at Terry.
That's that's the Falcons'organization.
Lombardi has Bill's ear, nomatter what his his role is on
the team.
We know this.

SPEAKER_01 (13:43):
I'm okay with the with the luggage because that
luggage would have pushed McKayout.
McKay would have been gone.

SPEAKER_08 (13:50):
And so that's probably why Bill didn't get
hired.
Because it is.

SPEAKER_01 (13:55):
No, we know that that's why.

SPEAKER_08 (13:56):
Lombardi's been eating McKay's lunch for the
last two years.

SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Well, and and I think it was Lombardi that said
it that he said, you know, Billwould come in and he'd ask the
guy, he'd say, So what do youdo?
Because it's true.
These are but these arequestions that actually do need
to be asked.
Whether he's the guy for the jobis, you know, beyond that's it's
it's it's above my pay grade.
But like what is known is thatwe need to we need to ask these

(14:24):
questions, and those questionswould have been needed in this
organization.
Hey, think about the bill thingwould have been reset in three
years, anyways, right?

SPEAKER_08 (14:32):
The bill thing, the bill thing would have worked too
because he and Jordan Hudsondon't work in Atlanta.
No, there's no competition upthere in Chapel Hill.
You get around some of theseyoung scams, she out of there.

SPEAKER_04 (14:49):
She up through there.
I mean, or let uh money feed inthe streets, or let one of those
young rich nation guys get ahold of her, right?
She be pulling up to the beardsof the shysti.

SPEAKER_08 (15:13):
She might have to she might have to go down to
Miami for a weekend or two.
What about young rich nation?
Oh, what about riches nation?
We're in richest nation.

SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Yeah, and he's he gets to kind of play God in this
scenario, and he's like, Well, Ikind of dictate how this goes.

SPEAKER_08 (15:35):
He's not playing God.
This is this is mad in GM mode,franchise mode, dog.
And Rich is at the controls.
We think these guys are doing ajob, but Rich is hiring the
staff, firing the staff.
He's playing the games, he'ssetting the depth chart, he's

(15:56):
setting the prices on the hotdogs.
He's changing the the sliders,the difficulty.

SPEAKER_06 (16:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (16:06):
We've got a burn we really have to burn this thing
down because one of my biggestuh issues with the Falcons is
we're not buttoned up.
And when a team is not buttonedup, I don't care how good you
are schematically.
If you're n you have to bebuttoned up.

(16:28):
You could you could be look atMiami.
They got a great they have agreat scheming coach.
They have great talent.
But they're not buttoned up.
So they're inconsistent.
They win at the beginning of theseason, they win warm weather
games, and inside.

(16:49):
They don't win afterThanksgiving much because it's
cold.
Right.
Why?
Because they're not buttoned up.
It's not from a lack of talent,it's not from a lack of
schematical excellence.
I mean, my God, you had uh uhwhat's you had Vic Fangio on one
side of the ball and you gotMike McDaniels on another side
of the ball.
As a Falcons fan, if we justwoke up one day and we had that

(17:10):
combo, that guy calling plays,those two guys calling our
plays, we'd be happy.

SPEAKER_07 (17:16):
Right.

SPEAKER_08 (17:17):
Well, because McDaniels is the guy, and it's
looking like these guys, thesechips off the old blocks of the
blocks of the blocks, yeah,they're not buttoned up.
They don't know how to run afootball team.
And I was talking shit aboutLombardi, but one thing I've
learned from listening toLombardi over all of these years
is one thing about BillBelichick is he coaches the

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coaches.
So the question is, who'scoaching the coaches?
You get a young head coach,who's coaching him to become a
head coach?
When he was a coordinator, whowas trying to coach this guy and
holding him accountablethroughout his journey?
And what I allude from that is alot of coaches are left
unchecked, or they're beingchecked by those who aren't

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competent enough to properlycheck them.
Shout out to Miss Ursay.
Sorry I don't remember yourfirst name.
Your team is on top of theworld, best team in the league
by your record.
You know, you've got uh the MVPrunning the ball for you, you
know, and she's on thesidelines, got the headset in.
She's learning how to hold herpeople accountable.

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You may not like it day to daybecause your boss is in your
business, but when your boss isin your business, you take care
of your business or you knowyou're out of here.
We've got Arth asleep at thewheel, and Rich.
I mean, he's driving.
Yeah.
But can he see?

SPEAKER_01 (18:44):
Is he drunk?
So we've got Ray Charles drivingthis daisy.
Is that is that what we'resaying?

SPEAKER_08 (18:53):
Ray Charles after a good night.
RIP to Ray Charles, nodisrespect, but it's documented.
He had his vices.
This is Ray Charles after one ofthose good old nights after
feeling on some wrist and graband grabbing Miss Daisy because
he felt that nice little wrist.

SPEAKER_07 (19:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (19:15):
Just throws her in the car and drives her home.
And says, you know what?
We'll get there.
I'm gonna fuck you.
I'm gonna fuck you real good.

SPEAKER_01 (19:23):
My goodness leave.
Yeah, this is why this show isthis show, guys, because only he
can graphically give us thisview with his fucking glasses
on.

SPEAKER_08 (19:36):
Is Rich McKay not fucking Arthur Blank in Falcon's
Nation?

SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
Well, he's definitely fucking Falcon's
Nation.
And my question is, what does hehave?
Because you know, we joked aboutthe Epstein stuff, but like,
what does he have?
He's got something, and I don'tcare what anyone says.
I am not a conspiracy theorist.
That Nick, he's got something.
He has something because there'sno way that you ran through now,

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not including his own regime asa GM, you ran through two other
regimes, you know, your thirdcoach, second GM, and the
results are the same.
Everything's the same.
And it's just kind of like,okay, who could be the problem

(20:25):
here?
There's gotta be one concept.
You know, there's just been thisrunning meme of Daniel Jones,
right, with the Giants to theColts, and it's this last scene
from um Scary Movie, right?
Where they have uh who issupposed to be Dewey from
Scream, but he's Doofy in ScaryMovie, and it's him, you know,
walking how Doofy was walking.

(20:46):
I don't want to say what he howhe was walking, but you know
exactly what that they wereimplying.
Yes.
And you know, then he turns intoa stud and he hops into a car
with a whip with a chicken, heflips his cigar because he's the
coolest nigga in the room.
And so I want to say that thealmost the same exact thing is
happening here.
It's one of these things whereas soon as you get rid of this

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one person, we know who theproblem is, goddammit.
Like, you know who the problemis, and you're just turning a
blind eye to it.
And it's like, why though?
For what?

SPEAKER_08 (21:22):
You know, Coach Ra.
Ra rah guy.
That's what I call Ra.
Hey, he he's low-key ChaunceyBills.
Oh man.
He is the face of an operation.
He and and you deserve blame foryour involvement in this

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operation.
But you're taking all of thesearrows, and those who know know
he's not the guy running theshow.
And no disrespect to RaheemMorris as a man.
This is not anything to you.

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But inside this Falcon system,on your best day, you're a
Pinocchio.
Sometimes you get to do your joband do whatever you want, but at
the end of the day, Geppetto,aka Rich McKay, has his hands on
your back.

SPEAKER_01 (22:26):
Lee.
That is why Ra got hired inreality.
Because we scratched our head atit.
We were like, you know, we triedto make ourselves feel better
about it.
And we were like, you know what?
He was kind of overdue to get ajob.
Right?
It just wasn't our job that hewas supposed to get.
That was the issue.

SPEAKER_08 (22:44):
But here's the problem now.
You you talk about uh you talkabout being for black people
having fair opportunities.
Now, don't say the guy who'squalified, he was qualified and
due for a job is not good enoughfor your job.
You didn't know that this wasn'tgonna work until it didn't work.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
Well, yes and no.
I think that this is the realissue.
If we really want to break thisthing down, when I say that he
was overdue for a job, it wasthat he put in his, for one, he
was the young at the time, theyoungest head coach of all time,
right?
At the time.
He got three seasons in Tampa,had one good year.

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They didn't make the playoffs,unfortunately for him, so he got
fired after the third.
But, you know, other than that,a bunch of lackluster seasons,
and he took over a Gruden rosterthat, you know, at the time when
Gruden got fired was a 7-9, 8-8for operation in reality.
He he waited his turn, he wentto Washington, he went to

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Atlanta, he was here.
Uh, he goes to LA, he wins theSuper Bowl as a DC.
Granted, we're probably a topthree defensive player of all
time, but I digress.
Does that defense still looksgood, you know, even after they
won the Super Bowl.
Gets interviewed by the Falconsagain, because he had a shot
here, too, for what it's worth.
Now, granted, it was dumpsterfire because he was taking over

(24:06):
his interim basis, but hecoached 10 games.
I mean, he coached a lot of thatseason.
We covered this last week.
I know, but it's also just it'sit's baffling to me because it's
just like we know exactly why hewas hired.
He was hired because he's a he'sa do boy for a rich McKay.
They're familiar with them, theyknow he's gonna do whatever it
takes.

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They I wouldn't be surprised,Lee, if Rich in that interview
was the second interview, waslike, now Ra, we're gonna give
you the job, but if I say jump,you say how high.

SPEAKER_08 (24:39):
All right, figure Capiche.
Hey, hey, you hey, you know,speaking of Capice, you know
Lombardi calls him Kaiser SoseMcKay.

SPEAKER_01 (24:51):
Well, and and it's almost like in what circles is
Rich McKay thought of highly?

SPEAKER_08 (24:58):
Seriously, the League Office.
You know, Lombardi hates theleague office, bunch of
politics, a bunch of peopleprotecting their desk.

SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Well, and I feel like that's because he's been
getting Lombardi gets trashed bythe League Office.
So do the Patriots when thatthat regime, even though they
were winning, and he wasn't eventhere that long.
I mean, I know he was there, buthe wasn't the GM GM.
I mean, Bill's the GM, right?
He had his chance with the well,he was like the Browns GM for a
little for like two years orsomething.

SPEAKER_08 (25:27):
Yeah, you didn't watch that uh Pablo Torre on
him, did you?
I I didn't, unfortunately.
Bro, bro, bro, please.
Not even for content, just forthe shit that we talk about,
Lombardi.
Yeah, so much it's so muchfunnier, uh, because they look
to expose him as a fraud.

SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
Is he not?

SPEAKER_08 (25:50):
I he knows more football than I do, and despite
his ability to apply it in ajob, I understand football so
much better because of MichaelLombardi.
And a lot of stuff I talk about,you know, tying the three phases
together, that's stuff I learnedfrom him, and that's like that's
super important, and the failureof most teams to do it.

(26:14):
I he's just better at footballmedia, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
So, but but and maybe that's where his face is,
right?
That's why V Cired him.
Like, like that's his space.
The actual doing it, it's justlike uh uh what's my man's name?
Uh, that's on in uh prime.
Uh that was the GM for the Nets.
Uh Sean uh Marks.

SPEAKER_08 (26:36):
They got him on Prime.

SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
We didn't think we didn't think that he was that
bad, right?
From what we saw on Prime,right?
I didn't think he I thought it'sI thought everything that the
way that whole thing that thewhole thing, not just him, but
the whole thing is set up reallywell.

SPEAKER_08 (26:49):
Oh yeah, Bezos, yeah, he he spent he spent money
on that production.
It's beautiful, right?

SPEAKER_01 (26:54):
And and just hire somebody that doesn't know what
they're talking about, but Iwouldn't want Sean Marx running
the Hawks.
It doesn't change how I feelabout oh, well, he knows the ins
and outs, he's educated, right?

SPEAKER_08 (27:06):
Well, it's and that's and and I'll tell you,
that's why I get frustrated whenyou sometimes listen to players
who think they and I sound crazysaying this, but yo, a lot of
pro athletes don't know how toexplain their game and view
their game through a lensoutside of their own.

SPEAKER_04 (27:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (27:28):
So I'm not saying I know I'm not saying that people
in the media know the sportbetter than the players because
for the most part they don't,but they can tell the story much
better and they can see thebigger picture, the bigger
picture things, you know.

SPEAKER_07 (27:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (27:44):
Like I listened to how basketball players will talk
about how great of a playerCarmelo Anthony is.
He's amazing.
Top 75, deserve it, bona fidescore, real deal.
I don't want to build I don'tknow.
I don't want to build my teamaround Carmelo, though, you
know.
If I gotta draft him, I'm notgonna pass on him.

(28:06):
But his style of play, it's hischaracter, and not say that he
has bad character, but we knowCarmelo doesn't have the best
work habits, and he's a selfishplayer, that's okay.
But I don't want to build aroundthat because it's harder to
build around that than it isother types of players.
Some people might look at Russthat way, too.

(28:29):
I I would look at him that way.

SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
I don't know why that just came to my mind.
When the way you were describingit, I'm like, sounds kind of
like Russell Westbrook.
Yes, but it's it's it's a lot ofreally good scores.
Yeah, guys that have led theleague and scoring, like I think
did Russ not lead it twice.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 (28:48):
I don't know.
But is there anything else thatwe want to talk about?
Because there's no analysis onthe game that matters.
Uh, it's just I don't know,dude.

SPEAKER_01 (29:02):
It's just sad, is what it is, but uh that I can
think of now, because we kind ofalready hit everything.
We can blame kind of theperformance.
I didn't even know if KirkCousins played just god-awful.
I mean, he didn't turn the ballover, but like it seemed like it
was a scheme issue.
They showed Kirk yelling at ZachRobinson on the sidelines.
I don't know if you saw thatvideo.

SPEAKER_08 (29:23):
But that you know, that's the one thing that Pennox
can't can't do.
And we we haven't talked aboutthis.
Kirk Cousins makes a first-timeplay caller and Zach Robinson a
better coach, especially in thegame.

SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
Well, I think we did say this.
Don't we believe that KirkCousins at this point would be a
better offensive coordinatorthan Zach Robinson?
That's why you just fire him.
I would trust Kirk Cousins.
It's like you're paying him allthat fucking money, anyways.
Just let him just do it.
He knows the league.
Let make him earn his play.
He's listening, he knowseverything about this already.

SPEAKER_08 (30:01):
And it it wasn't shown last week.
But dog, there is an argument.
A healthy Kirk Cousins is abetter option for the Falcons to
compete today.
There's an argument for it.
Kirk Cousins done threw 4,000.
Kirk Cousins done ran up a bag.

(30:23):
And earned those bags.
Again, I'm not saying KirkCousins is a fucking top 10
quarterback in the NFL on hisbest day, but he's a fucking
professional quarterback.
He spent a good portion of hiscareer one of 16, closer to 10
than he was to 16.
Just production.
I'm not talking about clutch andall you, you know, the nuance.

(30:44):
You know what's going to end uphappening?

SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
And we can kind of end it on this because we've
given it 30 minutes, but likeKerry's gonna get fired if we
don't make the playoffs.
It doesn't matter that he'spicked out good talent, they're
gonna fire him.
Yeah, he's Damon Jones.
Yeah, he's gonna get fired.
Uh and it, and honestly,somebody will point to that
situation alone.
If Penix doesn't look like he'sprogressing and getting better,

(31:10):
and we don't make the playoffs,they're gonna say, This is the
guy that paid Kirk Cousins allthat money, drafted Michael
Penix, and neither of themfucking worked out.
Neither of them worked out.
Like, and then it'll turn into acan somebody fix Michael Penix.
Not that he needs fixes, but cansomebody make him more
consistent?

(31:31):
Can they get the most out ofhim?
Because he's got the we know hehas the tools, he's got a strong
arm.
We know this.
Like, we know that some bitchcan throw that ball.
We know it.

SPEAKER_08 (31:41):
Well, that's what happened when you put a cannon
in a pistol, dog.
The shit don't shoot.
Yeah, get that nigga out thepistol.

SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
I've been in jail, ain't going back.
I I oop your bitch off that badboy.
She throw it back.
I slammed on in that pussy.
Dang meat used to be fire.
Keyword used to.

SPEAKER_08 (32:04):
We also didn't know he was stupid when he was when
back in.
But uh real quick, hold on.
Let me just get to this uh hookand then we can uh talk about
the rest of the league.
Yeah.

(32:30):
Let that shit burn.
Yeah, man.
Uh well, we I guess we can startwith uh Thursday.
Well, we were on duringThursday's game, weren't we?

SPEAKER_01 (32:41):
Yes, because last week I uh had a prior engagement
Wednesday.
We try not to make that stuffhappen, but it was the only way
that would work for me, so I hadto pull that string.
And uh A period underscore Cperiod 2 approved.

SPEAKER_08 (32:56):
So hey, did you uh did you pull any other strings?
Don't answer that.

SPEAKER_01 (33:07):
Anywho, uh moving along, where are we going here
next?
We're gonna get into week eightthat you call week six in
pre-production.

SPEAKER_08 (33:16):
I probably thought of that in the description too,
because though that's what wasin the notes, and I didn't check
it for uh uh you know, we justcopy and paste when it's yeah,
yeah.
Let me uh pull up week what'sthat?
So pull up week eight.

SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Yeah, we're gonna pull up week eight.

SPEAKER_08 (33:35):
Hey, while you're pulling that up, I was listening
to 520 in the morning, and I Irarely take time to ever uh talk
badly about uh these types ofpodcasts and the members of
these podcasts because I'm ahuge fan of the podcast, but you
know, having a good host is soimportant to a show, let me tell
you.
You know, and I this is back andforth.

(33:56):
We we we we share the A Mic andB Mic, and you know what I mean?
Like it just give and take herea pause.
But um the host of the Club 520podcast, he likes to get people
moved, right?
He's always like free him, freehim.
It's like dog, no.
So they're talking about MilesGarrett's amazing five-sack

(34:17):
game.
He goes, The Browns sad, bruh.
Free Miles Garrett.
No, Miles Garrett just read upwith them in the offseason.
Okay, look, what Miles look likesaying, Hey, dog, y'all trash,
bro.
Get me out of here.

SPEAKER_01 (34:35):
He looked like an NBA player.
Isn't that what they do?
They sign their big contractsand then they say, All right,
now I want out.
Because they got as much moneyas they could get.
Now that's a little different,of course, because in the NBA,
you leave a team and you sign,you're gonna get less money, but
like, or one less year normally.
But that's what they do, though.

(34:57):
They'll they will sign theirmoney.
Like, it wouldn't surprise me ifDevin Booker somehow requested
trade.
Not this year, but next year.

SPEAKER_08 (35:03):
I doubt it.
I think he wants to be a liferthere.
They don't have they don't havea guy that's the Suns.
Like Chuck had his good runthere, but he wasn't drafted by
them.
He didn't retire with them.
Like, they don't have like a guythat's relevant, you know?

SPEAKER_05 (35:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (35:20):
Uh, but I'll tell you, you're right, he would look
like an NBA player, and that'sthe difference between the NBA
and the NFL right now.
Yeah, people love talking aboutthe NBA, it's global.
You know, just like we talkabout a lot of these Democrat
policies.
Oh, yeah, great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just us talking.

(35:40):
But see, the NFL resonates withthe people because a guy like
Miles Garrett, if he takes thatmoney, he's gonna pick up his
lunch pill and he's gonna losegames and he's gonna kill shit.
And that's what the RepublicanParty is doing currently in
America, right?
And it resonates with no, I'mserious.
But it resonates, I'm serious.
It resonates with people,whether you like it or not, but

(36:02):
like it resonates.
Even if it's the better message,it doesn't matter.
Like it resonates.
Yeah, whereas the Dems missedthe boat, the NBA, a much more
liberal league.
A lot of people can't relate toa guy making$40 million a year
and then saying, hey, we suck, Iwant to leave.

SPEAKER_07 (36:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (36:22):
Like, dog, I wish I could make$40 an hour, and I'd
stay here and be miserable.
But you got the money, and youjust can't deal with a little
bit of adversity, even thoughyou're killing.
That doesn't resonate withpeople, and that's where the NBA
is missing the mark.
And the same thing uh with theDemocrat Party.

(36:42):
You have all of these smartideas that seem so convenient
for you, and this and that.

SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
But if you mean like NBA Cups and uh things of that
nature, different jerseys andshit like that.

SPEAKER_08 (36:55):
NBA Cup, different jerseys, talking about Bronny
James all the time.

SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
You know, like let's talk about Prime, NBC, ESBN,
ABC.
We're we're dipping downeverything.
Did you see they're gonna comeout with a new NBA streak?

SPEAKER_08 (37:09):
Yeah, I saw that bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 (37:11):
Yeah.
Stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08 (37:12):
That's the NBA, though.
Exactly.
And and you know, loadmanagement, even though that's
that's not the players.
We'll get to that later.
That's the but again, it'scoming from the league.
Yeah.
Somebody going, you are volunt,you are volunteering for paid
time off, making all that money,you're not even hurt, and I paid

(37:33):
to come see you.
But I bet if you flip that onthose people and told them, hey,
dog, it's PTO.
Don't you get PTO?
Huh?
But, anyways, let's talkfootball.
My bad.

SPEAKER_01 (37:45):
Uh, yes, so week eight, we had honestly a lot of
blowouts.
So there's not too many gamesthat we want to really talk
about, but there were three thatkind of stick out to me.
Uh, the Jets got their first winagainst the Bengals, obviously.
They were down, uh, I want tosay 15, maybe it was 14, but um,

(38:05):
in the fourth quarter, they makea comeback.
Uh, Justin Fields is listeningto the owner, loud and clear.
He wasn't even supposed tostart.
Tyrod Taylor just so happened tonot be a go, comes in.
Looked like much ado aboutnothing, same old Jets.
And then they come out and theyget a win.
Getting Aaron Glenn's first win.
Um, and that locker room lookedelated, as they should.

(38:28):
A coach is getting his firstwin, even though it's halfway
through the season.
You're one and seven.
Fuck it.
Why not?

SPEAKER_08 (38:36):
But that's a good thing.
That that that tells me thatplayers are buying in.
And I thought Aaron Glenn.

SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
And they wanted it for him.

SPEAKER_08 (38:45):
Yes.
And Aaron Glenn had a greatcomment in the pre in the
post-game presser.
He was like, before you startwinning games, you have to learn
how not to lose them.
And that's so important.
Again, godly, I'm going back toLombardi, but one of the Bill
Belichick isms that Lombarditalked about a lot is a lot of
teams, a lot of teams losegames.

(39:07):
It's not the other team winning,it's a lot of teams losing
games.
And when you're talking about aJets organization that really
hasn't had a pulse since what?
Um what's my man's name down inTampa?

SPEAKER_01 (39:20):
Well, I was gonna say Rex.

SPEAKER_08 (39:22):
I was gonna get to him, but they said Todd Bowles.
Todd Bowles, he got him to 10and 6.
You know, they didn't make theplayoffs.
Shout out to Brendan Marshall uhand Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Guys never know what it's liketo play after uh week 17 or 18,
depending on what time of theleague you're talking about.
But uh then Todd Bowles, he hada little bit of competency
there.
He has like a down year, noteven a terrible year, just a

(39:46):
down year.
He's out of there.
No, no real quarterback.
And then you go back to Rex.
They've been an incompetentfranchise from top to bottom.
So Aaron Glenn coming in theretrying to change a culture.
Sometimes changing the culturedoesn't result in early wins at
the beginning of the first yearbecause you have to get the
culture there so then you canbuild upon the culture.

(40:08):
You got to figure out who'sgonna buy in, who's not gonna
buy in, who do I want, who am Istuck with, who can I replace?
It takes a lot sometimes to turna football team around,
especially for a first-timecoach.
So, again, let's put the brakeson him.

SPEAKER_01 (40:23):
And as a former player, too, and it's funny
because the way he justexplained it, I mean, look at
Dan Campbell, he's the same way.
It was they were 3-13.
Um his first year with Detroit.
Then they go to 9-8.
They get that big win over uh uhAaron Rodgers on Sunday night to
kick him out of playoffs, andthat was his last game in Green

(40:46):
Bay, I believe.
Um, and now look at them.
Detroit's the toast of the town.
They're typically at the top ofeverybody's list when it comes
to teens in the NFL.
Wealth of talent, like they'rejust a super talent, they're
deep, and they play with it,they have a style of play.
Everybody knows they have aculture.
Detroit has a culture, theymight have the strongest
culture, low-key, today.

(41:08):
I mean, the Chiefs have a strongculture, too.

SPEAKER_08 (41:10):
But hey, Ray, Rams, too.

SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
Yeah, but well, but Detroit's got a strong culture,
is my point.
They do, yes.
They've got a very strongculture.
Everybody knows the identity ofthat football team.
Shit, the Patriots.
Yeah, well, now, yes, nowbecause remember, what was it?

SPEAKER_08 (41:26):
The Bills game.
They were getting a couple ofthose late penalty, they're
getting those late hits, andit's like, ah, you don't want to
give them 15 yards, but I I seewhat y'all are doing.
Y'all are physical, y'all areplaying to the last sound of the
whistle.
It's a thing.
Remember Brian Flores, his firstyear in Miami.
They sucked at the beginning,and then they started winning

(41:49):
games and playing hard becausehe was bringing in a culture,
and sometimes it takes theculture a while to set in.
But as I talked about earlier,you can have the schemes, but
you got to be buttoned up.
Being buttoned up starts withthe culture.

SPEAKER_01 (42:04):
What do you think Ross culture is?
Just showing his chest.
Yeah, wide open.
I'll give you an example.
Dan Quinn brought a culturehere.
The brotherhood shit was real,it was real.
Now that message ended upgetting stale at the end, but

(42:25):
like it was real.
You felt we had an identity,damn it, with Dan Quinn.
We really did.
We had some somewhat of anidentity with him.

SPEAKER_08 (42:38):
And we see it with uh with Washington, they don't
have the best record right now.
But when your number onereceiver doesn't show up the
training camp because AdamPeters doesn't want to just go
ahead and pay him, you know whatI mean?

SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
Like just talk your quarterbacks hurt.
He's been here, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (42:54):
And Marcus Mariota is throwing the ball for you.
And although I don't like thelittle short guy, but he did
tear his ACL and or tell histear his Achilles in week one.
Yeah, Eckler, like he's avaluable piece.
Like, yeah, you got a a a nicerookie running back, but having
him as the having them asanything.
Oh, he's slowed down now.

SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
Oh man, yeah, he cost Dell a fantasy football win
against me.
Good for good for Dale.
I love when Dale loses.
Yeah, well, Terry McClorn isreally who fucked him because
Terry, although he got hurt,he's out again this week, by the
way.
He scored for me, and that's allI needed.

SPEAKER_08 (43:29):
So here's the thing with Dale, right?
Dale is my biggest nemesis inthe league, and I wish bad
things on him.

SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
He's two and six.
I mean, he's not going to theplayoffs.
He can win out, and I don'tthink he's gonna get in.

SPEAKER_08 (43:41):
So I want Julian Turner to pass him in the record
this year.
That that that's how that's howmuch I prey on Dale's demise
because you know, he beat me inin the championship.
And Dale does not deserve tohave a locker room title.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 (43:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's tough.

SPEAKER_08 (44:00):
I mean, he's barely in the locker room.
Well, that's true.
I mean, Eric Boyd might be morelocker room than Dale.
He's not even in the lockerroom.
At least he's in the gym.

SPEAKER_06 (44:11):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (44:13):
I mean, if we if we played basketball, Dale would be
the last person picked.
No, no, no, I would pick Dalebefore I pick Matt.

SPEAKER_01 (44:22):
I don't know.
It depends on who the teams are.
If if if if I'm depending onMatt to guard gambles, then
yeah, Matt's gonna be last.
But if I have gambles, I'm okaywith having Matt just because
it's sheer size.

SPEAKER_08 (44:34):
Yeah, I'm uh, but if if uh see I I don't want Dale to
guard me.
Well, because Dale's gonna dothis the whole game.
Yes, and I'm and he Dale is abeefcake.
Pause.
But like I I I I can't I canmove Josh Holsey around.

(44:55):
He he thinks he's strong and allof that.
I'll move Josh Holsey around.

SPEAKER_06 (44:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (45:00):
Dale is so strong, even if I get on his hip, you
you know he's not a realbasketball player, he's a
football across guy.
So you know how he playsdefense.

SPEAKER_01 (45:11):
Yeah, but that's why I said this.
No, do was do was doing the samething when we played.
Which Josh Josh, I can shootover him.
No, I know, but I'm just saying,that was that they the the
tactic that they took against mewas everybody's like, well, I'm
stronger than Pierce.
So like I'm gonna be as physicalas possible with him.

SPEAKER_08 (45:35):
And every time I got to the basket, Josh Holsey would
just wrap me up and say, ball uptop.
And we're playing outside, andyou can't you couldn't shoot a
jumper.

SPEAKER_01 (45:44):
You know, nobody the wind, it was it was kind of
cool, but a little bit of windwas going on out there.
That's why I told him I said,guys, this is a completely
different fucking game in a gym.
Or at least let's get it on ahot summer day.
We played in February.
We was like February, right?
January, yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_08 (46:03):
Playoff rule.
In in Tampa to our to just sothe audience knows, like, we're
not playing in January in brickass cold.

SPEAKER_01 (46:09):
Yeah, we weren't in Massachusetts or anything, but
like but it was still like 55.
It wouldn't it wouldn't be?

SPEAKER_08 (46:15):
And let's play let's play real basketball.
Let's just not foul somebodyevery time they beat you.

SPEAKER_01 (46:20):
Yeah.
But uh back to football.
Yeah, um, so yeah, that was oneof the highlights of week eight.
Uh another big one here was theRavens got a win uh with Snoop
Huntley.
They put Snoop Huntley in overCooper Rush, and they did win.
That's Pro Bowl quarterback,Snoop Huntley, to anyone out
there that cares.
Um they got a win, and I thinkthat that's a pretty good win,

(46:43):
honestly.
They beat a Bears team that wasfour and two that had won four
in a row.
Um, they set up the platter forthem, especially with the way
that Pittsburgh is starting tolose games, to essentially have
a shot at winning this division.
Still, because of how talentedwe know Lamar Jackson is, how
good of a coach we know JohnHarbaugh is.
That's the type of win thatsaves the season.

(47:05):
So that was just another one ofthose games that kind of stuck
out to me.
And then, of course, AaronRodgers did go against the
Packers.

SPEAKER_08 (47:11):
Hey, I got one thing on uh Caleb, uh Caleb Williams.
Go for it.
Listen to 520 in the morning onTuesday.

unknown (47:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (47:19):
And uh Colts linebacker Zaire Franklin's on
that show on Tuesdays.
And uh somebody asked him who'slike you know, hardest person to
tackle in the league.
And he said Caleb Williams isone of the hardest people to get
on the ground in the NFL.
And he referenced that wildthrow he made to DJ Moore.

SPEAKER_01 (47:42):
Just how he can just get out of stuff.
It checks out, he's such a uh II want to say, I hope that I
know that this has got to be aword, improvisationist.

SPEAKER_08 (47:53):
I'm gonna say it's a word.
I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 (47:56):
He's very good at improving, and like that's kind
of, I mean, that we talked aboutit that that uh when the season
began, kind of was that that'swhy they brought in Ben Johnson,
right?
So that he can actually flowthrough the office and actually
have his reasons because he's soused to playing that way.
That's all he did at USC, that'sall he did at Oklahoma.
And that's okay in college whenyou're much faster and bigger
than dudes, right?

(48:17):
Like, and you're just that muchmore talented, even in the NFL.
Everybody's as fast as you, youknow what I mean?
Like all those guys, if MilesGuerrins coming around the edge,
he is gonna fucking get you,dude.
Like it doesn't really matterwhat happens, and so um, yeah,
that doesn't surprise me interms of just from the way we've
seen him play.

SPEAKER_08 (48:37):
Yeah, I mean, he's one of the most talented players
in the league.
He just doesn't put it togetherall the time, you know.
He he's more consistent, but hereminds me a lot of Lamelo Ball.
Yeah, you just go, wow, thisperson is more talented than
everybody else.
Yeah, why is this not workingall the way?

(48:57):
This should look better thanthis, yeah.
But uh Lamelo's a YN uh runningaround Charlotte and boy.
Funny stories about Lamelo thatI will not share here.

SPEAKER_01 (49:10):
Right, right, right.
Um, but then the other game thatwas pretty much a highlight was
obviously Aaron Rodgers playingagainst the Packers.
Uh, although the game was not inLambeau, and I'm sure that that
would have just made for muchmore pomp and circumstance.
It still kind of counted becauseit is the Packers that he was
playing against, and Jordan Loveand the fact that he kind of
gave him the keys um rightbefore his departure.

(49:34):
He gets to go against them, andJordan Love looks fucking
fantastic.
Uh Aaron Rodgers doesn't lookbad, but like I don't know, the
defense isn't good.
Like, in reality, they were upnine at the half.
So, like they got Kyle Duggar.
Yeah, we'll see what that does.
But uh it doesn't matter ifJalen Ramsey's gonna get burnt

(49:55):
by uh Romeo Dobbs.
Or Tucker Kraft.

SPEAKER_08 (49:59):
Shout out to Dobbs.
Uh, real quick, shout out to myman Najee B.
He's uh living in the world thatwe're living in right now.
Now, he loves Tomlin.
He's not, he, he's not, but hehe's over it.
Tomlin standing by his D his Dcoordinator.
Highest paid defense in the NFLlooking like this.

SPEAKER_01 (50:18):
Is it really?
They're the highest paid defensein the league.
Yeah.
I mean, I know obviously TJ gotpaid, but well, they got
Hayward, they got Jalen and J.
Jalen's still making, yeah, he'sstill making money.
Uh they probably paid Slay atleast eight, nine.

SPEAKER_08 (50:34):
Just but yeah, no, they're like I think their
defensive payroll is like 136million or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_08 (50:42):
And they suck.

SPEAKER_01 (50:44):
Yeah, they're bad.
They're they're they're the thestep, they're the tier right
before you get to that cowboysdefense.
Like, that's how bad it is.
Certainly their pass defense.
Like, literally, the Packerswere up, and then they just kept
throwing the ball.
Like, they weren't even tryingto run it.
And they've got Josh Jacobs, andthey weren't even trying to run
it.
They were like, no, we're justgonna throw that bitch because

(51:05):
they can't stop it.

SPEAKER_08 (51:06):
I think it was personal too.
For LaFleur.

SPEAKER_01 (51:12):
Uh against who though?
Tomlin?

SPEAKER_08 (51:15):
Nah, Aaron.

SPEAKER_00 (51:16):
Oh, Aaron.
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (51:17):
He's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you why we
moved off you.
Look what we're doing with theseyoung receivers.
But uh shout out to Jordan Lovefor having a great game.
Uh love it for him.

SPEAKER_01 (51:30):
Love it for you.
You're gonna be starting himthis week, huh?

SPEAKER_08 (51:33):
Absolutely.
Uh I'm just glad he had thatgame in front of Aaron because
it was just nice to see becausehe and Aaron had a much better
relationship.
And despite Aaron losing, Ithink if he takes a step back,
he's proud of his young boy forballing out like that.

SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
Yeah, Aaron doesn't strike me as far.

SPEAKER_08 (51:53):
No, he's not.

SPEAKER_01 (51:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (51:55):
Leading up to the game, they talked about it, but
Aaron had a rule that JordanLove had to speak up in
meetings, or he was, or he wouldget fined.
Because he just wasn't talking,and it helped him build his
confidence and speaking in frontof the team, and also showing
the team that he knows his stuffand he's asking the right
questions.
So that's enough to tell me thatAaron's proud of who Jordan Love

(52:18):
has developed into.

SPEAKER_07 (52:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_08 (52:21):
Because he wasn't happy about him coming there and
taking it and knowing that he.
And that's another reason why Ihate the Aaron Rodgers narrative
just because he didn't want totake the COVID vaccine and he's

(52:41):
kind of and he's he's aspectrum.

SPEAKER_01 (52:42):
And he likes ayahuasca and stuff.

SPEAKER_08 (52:44):
And he only talks to Pat McAfee, honestly, and you
know, Square Media hates thatbecause Pat McAfee's not real,
you know.
You know, Whitlock says he wasselected, even though he's one
of the few people who wentmainstream after being
underground because heorganically built his fan base,
but neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_01 (53:02):
Well, I think Pat's good for uh sports television.

SPEAKER_08 (53:07):
Me too.
He's entertaining, he knows hisstuff, and he also brings in
people to fill in the gaps.
I mean, the man can call PeytonManning and Aaron Rodgers.
Not many people can do that.

SPEAKER_01 (53:22):
Yeah.
And I saw that we had here onthe docket.
I might as well, since it's partof week eight, uh Chiefs back.
Sure looks like it.

SPEAKER_08 (53:32):
That offense is humming.

SPEAKER_07 (53:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (53:35):
Uh Rasheed Rice.
Kareem Hunt on my bench, twotouchdowns.

SPEAKER_01 (53:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (53:42):
I mean, Travis Kelsey's still up and down.

SPEAKER_01 (53:44):
You know, got hurt, by the way.
Just giving you a heads up.

SPEAKER_08 (53:48):
Oh, Kareem Hunt's already in the lineup.
Uh you know, Travis Kelsey hitand miss.
He had some drops, but he alsomade some big plays.
And now that Mahomes has hisweapons and can can utilize
every blade of grass on thefield.
Hope he can score some pointsbecause the defense ain't what

(54:09):
it used to be.

SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
I mean, they looked good this past week.
Now, granted, that was againstMarcus Mariota.

SPEAKER_08 (54:15):
But um against Marcus Mariota.

SPEAKER_01 (54:17):
They still only held him to seven points, and some
people even kind of questionwhether Terry really caught that
ball.
I thought he did.
Yeah, as a kid.
Yeah, I thought he I thought hedid.
But um, yeah.
I mean, I tell you what, we'llget that litness test this week,
right?
They play the Bills.
Uh are the Bills good?
I mean, they won 40 to 3 againstCarolina.

(54:38):
Not that that matters, it'sCarolina, but I mean,
considering we lost to them 30to nothing in that same
scenario, and we beat the Bills.
It's kind of weird how thisstuff works, right?
But like, um yeah.
Yeah, I think the Bills, I thinkthe Bills are still a quality
NFL team.
Like, I still think that that'sa pretty good football team.
Um, and yeah, I I I I like theBills.

(55:01):
I like the Bills, but that'salso been a house of horrors for
the Chiefs in the regular seasonthe past years.
Now, obviously, no problem,playoffs, but that is a game
that they've been losing in theregular season.
Out of them two and three lossesthat they'll have a year,
typically they drop one toBuffalo.
So this week, oh, not to mentionthis game is gonna mean
something.
If you are a believer that theChiefs will overtake the Broncos

(55:23):
for the division, hell, theBills need to win because the
fucking Patriots keep winning.
So it's an important game.
Yeah, it's an important game uhfor both of them.

SPEAKER_08 (55:34):
Hey, speaking of the Bills and uh the Falcons and the
Patriots, I opened up Instagrambecause I'm addicted to my
device.
Yeah, and uh oh, Brick says uhDrake May feels a lot like Josh
Allen.

SPEAKER_01 (55:49):
But you know, Dick said that before the Bills game.
Before the he said that he saidthat on Sunday night football
when they they talked to him, heliterally said that he reminds
me a lot of Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_08 (56:05):
The Drake May hype train is trying to catch up to
Wimby.
We'll get to that later.

SPEAKER_01 (56:11):
I don't think it'll catch up there.
He's gonna have to win somethingfirst.
Now, Wimby doesn't have to winanything because the NBA is an
individual sport.
Now, I know the NFL is aquarterback-driven sport, but
like, nah, Wimby, Wimby'sdifferent.

SPEAKER_08 (56:26):
And speaking of, I'm so happy we're gonna have uh
Chet in the Olympics.

SPEAKER_01 (56:33):
Oh, yeah, we'll get to get that matchup.

SPEAKER_08 (56:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:36):
On the on a national stage.

SPEAKER_08 (56:38):
I mean, because that's that's who we need.

SPEAKER_01 (56:41):
Well, not national, I'm sorry, world stage.
Yeah, yeah, world stage.

SPEAKER_08 (56:46):
Um politics are up by 19, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 (56:51):
Yeah, I've been kind of checking it here and there,
and you know, nah, it's too latebecause it's uh but this is the
NBA.
Remember, it's the NBA teamsblow, they will blow a 15.
It's crazy because basketball isa game of runs, and I know that
everybody's heard that, but likeit is so true.
A team can go on a 10-0 run inone minute, right?

SPEAKER_08 (57:14):
Donovan Mitchell can get hot.
Yeah, I don't see it happeningthis time just because you know
uh Cleveland's Cleveland's twofor 11 from three, so if they
get a couple open looks and andjust correct back to the to the
mean, uh, we got a game here.

SPEAKER_01 (57:31):
Well, you want to know what the real I'm looking
at the box score now.
You want to know what the trueissue is?
Why is DeAndre Hunter shot 11threes?
And it's the third quarter.
Why has he shot 11 threes?
He's three of eleven.
Donovan Mitchell's five of sevenfrom three.
And it just makes you wonder.
Why is why is DeAndre Huntershooting the ball so much?

(57:53):
It's kind of like how we weretalking about Naw.
It's like, why the fuck is Nawshooting all these shots?

SPEAKER_08 (57:59):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (58:02):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 (58:03):
If I was a visiting team, uh when Naw, every time he
shoots, I would just play theChief keep No.

SPEAKER_07 (58:10):
Right.

SPEAKER_08 (58:13):
What we got next?
We got some games to preview.

SPEAKER_01 (58:17):
Uh, yes, we do to not give away picks or anything.
But looking ahead, obviously, wekind of just broke down the
Chiefs bills a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 (58:25):
Hey, take the Pats.
They're covering.
I don't know what the line is.
Take them.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (58:30):
You know, it's funny.
I I had thought about throwingit in to stay away from it at
all.
It's not in the six-pack.
You can throw it in the leastthree, of course.
It's five and a half is thespread.

SPEAKER_08 (58:40):
I'm just telling y'all, take them.

SPEAKER_01 (58:44):
Yeah.
Um do some crazy shit though,because we got an interesting
one though with Colts Steelers.
Um, they're traveling toPittsburgh.
Pittsburgh's trying to avoid athree-game losing streak.
Colts obviously best team in theNFL record-wise, and just the
way that they look, and they'vegot the presumable half
midseason MVP and JonathanTaylor, no doubt.

(59:06):
Like, um, you know, Baker kindof close second in MVP.
I think Mahomes, obviously, he'sup there still, too.
But um, that ought to be aninteresting one.
Broncos, Texans, you got adefensive slugfest coming there.
Uh, we put our hands all overthat matchup um in the picks.
I've got two picks out of thatgame.
Um, yeah, you know, Seahawkscommanders, obviously, prime

(59:30):
time.
Jaden Downs will be back.
That should be interesting.

SPEAKER_08 (59:33):
Real quick on Jonathan Taylor, he has 850 uh
carries for 12.
For 12 touchdowns.

SPEAKER_01 (59:41):
What do you mean 850 carries?
850 yards?

SPEAKER_08 (59:45):
Excuse me, 850 rushing yards, 12 touchdowns,
you know.

SPEAKER_01 (59:49):
Yeah, he's well, it's an overall touchdowns, I
think, is 15 that he's got totalreceiving and rushing.
And you know, everybody'stalking about you know, does he
have a chance to?

SPEAKER_08 (01:00:03):
Uh yeah, 14.
14 total.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:06):
Yeah, he I mean he he definitely should get because
what L T I thought LT's a 31though, right?

unknown (01:00:15):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:16):
And I don't remember if those were all rushing or
not, but doubt it.

SPEAKER_08 (01:00:22):
Yeah, it doesn't seem right.
Most total touchdowns, 31.
28 rushing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:00:32):
Golly.

unknown (01:00:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:00:34):
Most of the single season.
Imagine having him on yourfantasy team that year.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:38):
Well, you won.
Because you were winningsingle-handedly because of him.
Every week.

SPEAKER_08 (01:00:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You put up numbers.

unknown (01:00:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:00:48):
You see everybody else to show up to the arena,
kind of like, you know, when youplay for the Bulls.
You know, Mike gonna do him.
Everybody else has got to showup.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:57):
Yeah.
Look at the numbers.

SPEAKER_08 (01:01:00):
Tired of Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, before we get to Mike,just so we can crescendo out of
the uh NFL, just because you gotit here for us.
Kirk wants to start.
Does Kirk get the start?

SPEAKER_08 (01:01:16):
No.
He might be able to go back homeand back up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:25):
I'm interested in that too, because it's like, is
JJ McCarthy ready to go or not?

SPEAKER_08 (01:01:29):
Is JJ McCarthy good or not?
Is Justin Jefferson gonna haveto continue to struggle through
this?
Yeah.
Are the fantasy owners of JustinJefferson gonna have to continue
to struggle through this?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:42):
Hey, look, we might get a call that says Kirk
Cousins on his way.
Because think about he doesn'treally have to, maybe there's
new terminology, but he won'thave to learn too much.
Hell we saw the MinnesotaVikings bring in um what's the
uh aerospace engineer that cameinto the Mercedes-Benz and beat
us last year or two years ago?

SPEAKER_08 (01:02:00):
Two years ago, Josh Dobbs.
Nigga got got to the team onlike Wednesday and beat us on
Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:04):
I don't think he got there Thursday.

SPEAKER_08 (01:02:06):
You may be right.
Yeah, I know he didn't know theplays.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:10):
He didn't know the plays, and it's because they
have that rookie that theydrafted.
He got hurt on the first drive.
Comes in.

SPEAKER_08 (01:02:18):
And then we lose.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:19):
Yeah, it looks like a fucking miracle worker.
I mean, water to one like that.

SPEAKER_08 (01:02:23):
But um I I don't I mean, where where could he
start?
I mean, uh, if I'm the Jets, I'mnot taking on that salary for
what?
We suck.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:38):
Well, it just wouldn't make sense for him to
go there.
Because remember, Kurt's gottaaccept the trade too, which
maybe at this point he's open toanywhere as long as he can
basically make himself moremoney, right?
Like that would be the thought.

SPEAKER_08 (01:02:49):
I just don't think he wants to go out this way.
Hey, Flacco's hurt.
Is he?
Yeah.
He got hurt in that Jess game.
I read somewhere.
Flacco's hurt.
Let me pull it out.
Let me see something about that.

(01:03:12):
He's 50-50 to face the bears,coach said six hours ago.
He got a shoulder injury.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:17):
Oh, I know that they don't want to uh you're making
me want to change my picks realquick.
I didn't they I didn't pickthem, but maybe I want to hop on
the bears now.
Like they're gonna lose, they'regonna lose if if if Vlacco got
playing, like it's a it'swritten.

SPEAKER_08 (01:03:30):
I mean, nobody wants to go into a game with Jake
Browning.
I mean, I know Jamar Chasedoesn't.
I wouldn't.
I mean, I wouldn't.
I mean, Zach Taylor coaching forhis job doesn't.
Speaking of Taylor, did you seeJoy Taylor and those butt pads?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:48):
So I did, and I liked it on Twitter because I
meant to send it to you.
And sometimes I'll like stuff onTwitter just so I can go back
and send it to you.
I did see it, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:03:56):
The first time I saw it, I go, are those butt pads?
And then it showed up in acouple of group texts, and I go,
Okay, yeah, those are butt pads.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:04:06):
So that's not Joyce butt.
I've seen her workout videosbefore.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:10):
Well, it was either gonna be that, or you would have
thought maybe she uh went underthe knife.

SPEAKER_08 (01:04:14):
But um, she's been too vis visible on social media.
You know, you gotta sit down fora second when you go under that
knife.
Wait for the next two-weekhiatus.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:24):
Yeah, yeah.
I think a lot of people stillthink she'd be a good fit on the
Joe Budden podcast, but I thinkshe'd be a great fit on
Washington winning.

SPEAKER_08 (01:04:34):
No, no, she wasn't.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:42):
Moving along.
You don't no.
Do you think she would be a fiton our show?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:47):
I think for the idea of her for sports, no.
I mean, I don't I don'teverything else, she'd be great.
But to actually talk ball andshit, no.
She wouldn't be a good fit.

SPEAKER_08 (01:05:07):
Well, no, because nobody goes to Joy Taylor to
talk sports.

unknown (01:05:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's something to look at.
Uh which is something to look atin college football, too, while
we stay on football.
These college coaches, man,these firings, these buyouts.
BK.
And I believe you said that youwere ready to eat your crow.
Um, so I will give you thefloor, but Brian Kelly fired

(01:05:37):
from LSU, no surprise on thisside.
Lee, take it away.

SPEAKER_08 (01:05:47):
Brian Kelly had to go.
He's too good for them to not begood enough.
So he had to go.
Now, it was a mismatch from thestart.
But I believed in Brian Kelly,the coach.

(01:06:09):
I saw what he did at Notre Dame,I saw what he did at Cincinnati,
I've I've read his resume.
I I just believed he couldfigure it out.
But you know, Rex Ryan had agreat point on get up, you know,
pretty much saying, like, heydog, if you don't fit in, don't
try to fit in, just be yourself.
Because people can see throughthat.
And it's not that LSU didn'thave some highs, but they they

(01:06:36):
just haven't trotted out acomplete football team that
could compete in the SEC sincehe's been there.
I mean, you have a Heismantrophy winner.
Doesn't matter.
You get to the SEC championship,but you didn't have a chance.
No one believed in you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:53):
You know, they played Georgia that year.

SPEAKER_08 (01:06:55):
Yeah, no one saw you as a contender.
Even if you beat Georgia, youmay not the only reason you're
getting in uh to the playoffs isbecause you beat Georgia.
And Georgia still has to get in.
But I just it just didn't work.
He's a Midwest guy.
Penn State, call him.

(01:07:19):
I I I think that's I thinkthat's I think that's the answer
up there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:24):
If I'm being honest with you, I don't think it goes
there.
I don't think that they wanthim.
You want to know where I thinkhe's gonna land if he takes a
job?
He's gonna start back down, notfrom the bottom bottom, but from
the bottom.
Come on, man.
I see him going to like VirginiaTech.
Like Holly, I hope not.
And it's a winnable conferencein reality, though.
It would be winnable.

SPEAKER_08 (01:07:45):
Yeah, I don't want to see him in the ACC.
And I know that at Notre Damethey played, you know, uh ACC
schedule, especially during thatCOVID year.
But get this guy in Big Tenland, that's where he belongs.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:01):
I mean, it would be intriguing for him to go to Penn
State just because you're givinghim more, he's getting to kind
of keep somewhat the same talentlevel.
Uh expectations will still behigh.
They would be just as high,low-key.
Because that's the point.
That's kind of the point of PennState.

(01:08:22):
They're like, yo, even thoughLSU's a team that's won a
national champion, they've wontwo in the last, what, since 07,
right?
And they've been to three.
Penn State hasn't been to any,right?
And it's like the expectation towin would be the same, though.
Because for them, they're like,well, we moved off Franklin for

(01:08:42):
a reason because we're ready forthe Mark Rick to Kirby Smart
step.

SPEAKER_08 (01:08:46):
But the pressure isn't as high.
LSU's a bad job.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:52):
Um well, because you got to win a national
championship in four or fiveyears.

SPEAKER_08 (01:08:56):
Yeah, if I'm if I'm Lane Kiffin, if it's LSU or Ole
Miss, I'm staying put.
LSU's a bad job.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:02):
Oh, I take the Florida job if I'm him.

SPEAKER_08 (01:09:04):
No, no, no, no.
I'm not even getting, I'm justsaying if it's LSU or Ole Miss.
Yeah, I'm saying it's old miss.
Yes, LSU has great uh Louisianahas great talent.
There's no in-state rival.
You can win a nationalchampionship there, you can't
compete.
Absolutely.
Story program.
But it's a bad job because ofthose boosters and BR will want

(01:09:24):
you out of there in four yearsif you don't win.
You know, and and and I don'tknow if you've seen this
nonsense going on, but like thegovernor is getting involved in
the coaching hiring.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:33):
Yeah, he's the reason less got not less, ha
less.
He's the reason uh he got firedbecause apparently, I don't know
if you read it, but apparentlyhe came in and initially they
were just gonna fire theoffensive coordinator.
And of course, BK had pushbackon that.
It was like that, and like theO-line coach or something, and
he had pushback, and then likethe governor comes in, and he's

(01:09:55):
just like, get him the fuck outof here, too.
Like, because that was the bigthing, honestly.
Are we gonna pay this guy 54million dollars?
And the governor's probably hassome sort of say.
I mean, I'm pretty sure thegovernor is a part of him and
the secretary of state actuallybudget is the state's money, and
that is a state job.
So um but the governor's also aMAGA guy, and uh, yeah, he wants

(01:10:17):
to build a uh Charlie Kirkstatue outside of the campus for
whatever reason.
I don't I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_08 (01:10:23):
This turning point shit's getting out of hand, bro.
If you want to join turningpoint, have at it, but like we
bro, why are we forcing this onpeople, dog?
This shit ain't that real nigga.
I didn't know what turning pointwas until you know Charlie's
demise, RIP.
But um, I had never heard ofhim.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:42):
Seriously.
I mean, I know I've said thatmultiple times on here.
I swear I'd never heard of him.

SPEAKER_08 (01:10:46):
But the gov but we have to point that out because
they're making this a nationalthing, and people need to know
that everyday people didn't knowabout this this movement.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:55):
Who the fuck he was?

SPEAKER_08 (01:10:56):
But uh what's his name?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:57):
I'm not on TikTok enough.

SPEAKER_08 (01:10:59):
But the the governor's also saying the AD's
not gonna make the next headcoaching hire.
Well, what the hell are wedoing, man?
Governor, go govern the state.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:08):
That is that's state business.

SPEAKER_08 (01:11:11):
Yeah, but you you we know who's fun we know who pays
for the coach.
The boosters.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:21):
That's town business.

SPEAKER_08 (01:11:22):
There was also a story that one of the top
boosters wasn't involved in aBrian Kelly hiring, and uh yeah,
he's not happy.
He wants to be involved in thenext hiring.
But I think the governor needsto take a step back.
But yeah, we got Brian Kelly, hegot bought out for what 50

(01:11:45):
million, over 50 million?
54, 50, damn near 54.
You got James Franklin who gotbought out for like 49.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:53):
You still got even the little guys, though, even
the little guys, Norville.
You remember the guy who made aname for calling out prime at
Colorado State?
Yeah, even for a small assschool like that, and I think he
was in the last year of his dealor something like that.
He didn't have a lot of yearsleft.
He got 1.5.
That's still a nice little fuck,get the fuck out of here, check
if I've ever heard of one.

SPEAKER_08 (01:12:14):
Yeah, so college football has to since since it's
we have all this volatility, andunlike the NFL, where there's a
legitimate off-season and anoff-season for the staff, so you
can fire, re fire higher, andthen build a roster.
We've gotta we've gotta create ahard schedule for college

(01:12:36):
football so this stuff can beregulated better.
Because it does it doesn't serveanybody well for coaches to be
getting fired during the seasonso often, so frequently, but you
have to in order to get startedon recruiting for the next coach
because you don't want to loseguys and and so on and so forth.
So college football has tochange what's going on, man,

(01:12:58):
because it's the wild, wildwest.
And as we saw, well, the NCAAcouldn't properly manage college
football, the TV network steppedin, and now we just have the Big
Ten in the SEC because it's ABCversus Fox.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_08 (01:13:14):
And if you watch the football, it does not make
sense.
USC should not be in the BigTen.
They don't play Big Tenfootball.
This is not a natural collegefootball is still very regional
because you're recruiting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:28):
Still on the baseball.

SPEAKER_08 (01:13:29):
You're still and you're still recruiting kids.
Everybody doesn't want to goacross the country at 18 to play
to play ball.
Dogs, niggas want their mama tocome see them.
And yes, you may get enoughmoney to afford to do all of
that stuff, but still.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:44):
But then that kind of defeats the whole purpose of
getting that money if you'respending it already, especially
for the guys that know thatthey're not going pro or that
have a short shelf life in thepros.
This is where they do make theirmoney.
And Mima shouldn't have to geton a plane and I pay the$800
round trip from uh fromLaGuardia to LAX, so you can

(01:14:07):
come see me play.
Then I got to put you up in ahotel room.
Let's just say it, of course,it's a big week.
I want you to see me playagainst uh Ohio State at the
Rose Bowl.
That's gonna cost staying out inBeverly Hills.
Oh, the travel, getting them acar.
You'll run out of brand.

SPEAKER_08 (01:14:24):
Yeah, bro, it's it's it's it's it's freaking insane.
Why is Indiana and Penn and uhUCLA playing each other in
conference in a conference game?

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:14:37):
Why is Cal in the fucking ACC?
Bro, if I just think about it.
Stanford too.
Bro, just think about this,right?
My my daughter lives in the inclose to Stanford and Cal.
Imagine if she's like a soccerplayer, volleyball, whatever the
hell girl sport she plays,right?

(01:14:59):
And her mother, who's also inCalifornia in that area, wants
to, you know, regularly supporther daughter, like she's done
throughout the journey.
And she got a game at GeorgiaTech?
I mean, I'm happy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:15):
Yeah, you're pumped.

SPEAKER_08 (01:15:17):
But like, what's that like for her mom to have to
fly to a game at Georgia Techand then fly to a game at UNC?
You know, like this isn't a thisisn't it's fucking stupid, man.
And and college, you're still astudent.
Man, what kind of grades arethey making?
Or we just putting them inonline classes, so now we're
just making them, we're we'refaking them students to make

(01:15:40):
them athletes to make us money.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:41):
It it yes, it's it's they basically are on permanent
study hall, right?
Like that's kind of what it is.
Virtual learning.
That's the new term, right?

SPEAKER_08 (01:15:51):
And I and you know, it made sense for like Johnny
Manzel to do virtual learning,you know, Angel Reese, Tim
Tebow, like these big too famouson campus.
Yes, it makes sense for them tohave to do stuff like that, but
for that to be what you're doingfor your student athletes simply
because again, football is alittle bit different because you
normally play one game at theend of the week, but the other

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sports?
Like, no, if you if you cow andyou got UNC and Wake Forest and
NC State on the basketball trip,right?
Nigga, you in North Carolina fora week and a half.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:29):
Well, and then you know the other issue is too.
Well, what about when theseason's over and they have to
return to regular class?
Now you've demotivated a studentbecause they're like, man, fuck
this.
Like, they are they're not evengonna know how to realistically
function and go around becausethe first half of the year they
haven't had to do any of this,so they don't really know like
how this works.

(01:16:50):
Living in a normal dorm, um,having to go to the normal
cafeteria or something.
And I'm sure those guys theyhave their own shit, but like,
still, still, yeah, it's it'sit's yes.
Yes, but it makes you you getcomfortable to the point where
it's like, nah.
And then that that breeds uh uhwhat would you call it?

(01:17:11):
Sticking your nose up at people,like you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 (01:17:13):
Like it just yeah, and then now we got students
getting getting fixed grades sothey can stay eligible because
they're on a bullshitcurriculum, and then the college
spits them out and they didn'teven get what they came there
for, and they're also not aprofessional athlete.
So it's like, damn, I didn'teven learn how to become a
professional in the place whereI'm supposed to learn how to

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become a professional while alsocompeting.
That's why I have an issue withthe Big Ten getting venture
capital involved, you know.
Hey, we need money to makethings happen, but I told you
about that uh Dr.
King speech I was listening tolast night.
Yeah, we can't lose our humanityin the pursuit of money, and

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we're losing like in collegesports, we're losing our
humanity.
Lose the recipes, right?
Because everything is not aboutthe bottom line all the time.
Oh, but it is it excuse me.
Everything does not have to beabout the bottom line all the
time.
You you run a business, dog.

(01:18:15):
Yes, you want steady growthevery year, but if you make your
projections, you set yourbudget, and you are clearing in
the black every single year.
And maybe and maybe you could,you know, you get some bigger
contracts and you can and youcould either give yourself a

(01:18:37):
bonus or you could increase yourwages.
Even if it's just off of thosepeople on that contract, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:44):
Right.

SPEAKER_08 (01:18:44):
Because at the end of the day, if you get rewarded
with a second contract becausethese people are killing it, I
mean, yeah, you hired them, butthey did the fucking work.
Correct.
For good cohesion, give them youknow you probably should break
them off some and not just bethe owner or the person who's

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making the money and trying tojust make more and more and more
and more and more.
Hey, everything doesn't have tobe about money.
Sometimes things are fun.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:16):
Huh?
Yeah, I was gonna say you rewardthem, you uh you invest into
them, right?
Like, uh I'll give you anexample just because it's it's
kind of how this kind of workedfor me.
I mean, when my dad got out ofcollege, he didn't just start a
business, he had to work forsomebody, and somebody came to
him and said, LB, you know, youcould do this too.

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Basically, you should start yourown business.
Like, what can you do?
You're a hard worker, you knowwhat you're doing.
You you're infusing life intosomebody, you're letting them
know, hey, you can do this too.
And I tell I tell I I alwayshave told our guys this
seriously, because I said, Idon't expect you to work for me
forever.
Because I don't, I don't, andit's not because they couldn't

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if they didn't want to, in asense of some of these contracts
that we've got are permanent,like it is permanent, like the
one that we did.
Well, we don't have any more,but the one that we did have in
California, it's people workingfor me for eight, nine years,
you know what I mean?
And so, like, you can work forme for forever.
I don't want you to, I don'twant anyone to do that forever.
Like, there should be growth,and there should be people

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infusing life into other people,and so um, but for them, it's
you know, it's a big bottom linefor college sports, and and that
was supposed to be thedifference between pro and
college, right?

SPEAKER_08 (01:20:39):
And you know, that's why we love the SEC, what it's
been, it matters more, and evenin SEC expansion, at least ours
is still regional.
Yeah, we're spreading West, butwe already had Missouri and
Texas AM, you know, like it canbe sequenced properly, and

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granted, they they shit the bedwith the scheduling, but we
could have still our SEC East orSEC West and our Big 12
rivalries going on inside of theSEC.
It still flows, and then youryour style clashes, you know,
your Texas's and your Georgias,your Texas's, your Bamas, your
LSUs and your AMs, your yourOklahoma's and your Tennessees,

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right?
Like, those are actually coolmatchups, but regionally they
still make sense.
We're talking about a we're onlytalking about two-hour flights
still.
Yeah.
You know, drivable game.
Like we can road trip Fridaywhen we get off, or we take off
on Friday, and Friday morning wepack up the car, we go to the

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game, have a good time thereFriday night, go to the game
Saturday, get up Sunday morning,drive back, go to work on
Monday.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:54):
Yeah, and nobody wants to be uh flying from
Stanford to to Syracuse for agame in November with it with
it's no.
But speaking of Syracuse, I wantto give a shout-out to at I Am
Demi Douglas because she istuned in right now and she has
just called me out for standingher up.
Um, Demi, the show loves you.

(01:22:15):
We appreciate you watching, andI will make sure to uh get with
you after this.
But um, that's why I useSyracuse with the stampers.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:23):
Yeah, uh get right with you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:25):
Speaking of Syracuse, you see Kayen.
I did not.
So, you know, it's weird.
They've been showing all thisum, like uh, I guess it's
preseason, it's like theexhibitions.
Shout out to Booze.
Well, I was hoping, but it'sweird because it's like big
schools going against eachother.
Normally it's Kentucky versusMorehouse, you know what I mean?
Like it should be something likethat, but that's not what it's
been.
It was like when Boozer andthem, they played against

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somebody.
Like it was like Texas orsomething.
Like they played against theschool.
That's against Rocky Top.
That's what I'm saying.
So, like, what's up with that?
That's weird.
I haven't seen that before.
I don't know.
Uh bottom line.
You know, because and clearlythey're playing, they they plan,
playing because Booze had, if hehad 23 and 22, he played the
whole game.

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Like, like he actually played.
Well, the arena was packed.
You think the tickets were anycheaper?
Or you think they do it, theythey follow the NFL's method
where preseason games cost justas much as a regular season
game.

SPEAKER_08 (01:23:23):
You've paid for Falcon season tickets more years
than I have.
So you know the answer to thatfucking question.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:23:29):
I know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:30):
I I was I was uh I was I'm just being facetious at
this point.
I know.
Where are we at on time?
I can't see the clock from here.
Uh, we got about 37 minutesleft.
Uh let's see here.
Doo do do do do do do.
And I am getting my ass chewedhere.
Let me get off of that because Idon't want to look at that

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anymore.

SPEAKER_08 (01:23:51):
Um your text messages.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:53):
Uh the bets.
I'm sure the text will followsoon.
But um let's get to theassociation.
Wild NBA scoring outputs.
He had a couple 50-point gamesso far, almost and almost 50
ball from Lucas, but it's beentwo.
Uh Lloyd Marketing had one.
Austin Reeves had one.
And actually, no, there's beenthree.

(01:24:14):
Who had the other one?

SPEAKER_08 (01:24:15):
Shea had 55 in double overtime.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:17):
She had 55.

SPEAKER_08 (01:24:18):
Shay having 55 is okay.
That's that's just that Shay indouble overtime, 55, no one's
tripping.
Luca having 49, missing a freethrow, nobody's tripping.
Austin Reeves having 50 ball,like we we know he has, we know
he can do this.

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No Luca, no LeBron.
Then nigga averaged 20 last yearwith Luca and LeBron and Luca.
I mean, and LeBron and AD.
The skill sets there, but thento follow it up with 41 the next
night.
And then Laurie Marcus and theyhave the first 50 piece since
Carl Malone in uh Utah.

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Then you got Maxy damn nearaveraging 40.

unknown (01:25:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:04):
Giannis and and and Wimby just yeah, because I think
Giannis had like 40 last night.
No, he's really close.
He had like 38, 39.
It's something, but I think ittook 38 steps on that on that
play.
Little bit of betting advicehere for anybody.
Take the over.
Yeah, just take the over becausethat is actually what's going on
right now.
The the scoring is insane, notjust from an individual, but

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from a team perspective.
Because naturally, if a playeris scoring that many points, the
rest of the team is still kindof holding narrow.
These games, it's honestly not.
There was a game yesterday.
Well, but wait, there was a gameyesterday where I looked at the
line.
It was uh, I think it was the itwasn't yesterday, maybe it was

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two days ago.
It's like the Grizzlies and likethe Warriors.
They had the over-under two like51, and I'm like, no fucking
way.
Yes, fucking way.
They scored, let me tell yousomething.
They scored 73 fucking points inthe first quarter.
I mean, we are starting to enterthe NBA all-star spectrum of
scoring at this point.

SPEAKER_08 (01:26:08):
Well, the the the detached liberals.
What about them, Lee?
Well, they think more scoring,and not the actual liberals,
it's the NBA guys, okay?
But the actual scoring, theythink more points means uh a
better game.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:26:28):
And it doesn't.
Even non-defenders in basketballappreciate the defensive side of
the game, even if theythemselves don't like to play
that play that game.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:26:43):
Um but uh I was listening to to Bill Simmons
this morning, he and Tim Legler.
They they talked some hoops, andthey were talking about free
throws are up, foul calls areup, and uh guys are shooting in
the mid-range too.
Because a lot of guys aregetting that mid-range Shay

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shot.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:27:04):
And the pump fake, and I uh, and guys who usually
don't usually don't get thosecalls or getting those calls.
Shout out to VJ Edgecomb, he'skilling.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:12):
Yeah, man, he's average a 24 a game.
He's not supposed to be doingthat.
Setting himself up for a bigfucking payday is what he's
doing.

SPEAKER_08 (01:27:23):
Setting himself up to get uh Joel Embiid shipped
out the door if he can gethealthy enough so they could
actually get something from him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:32):
Would you would you bring him here?

SPEAKER_08 (01:27:33):
No, I do it.
Why not?
Nigga, he got like four yearsleft on his extension.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:41):
You come to Kitty!

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:44):
I've got the craziest one to send you about
that too.

SPEAKER_08 (01:27:46):
I had been kind of slacking a little, but um,
remind me to tell you a storyabout an NBA player who plays
for the uh the team uh up northwhen we get off the show.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:00):
Okay.
Um, but yeah, the scoring hasjust been insane.
I think that uh the leagueprobably should do something
about this because unlike theNFL, where scoring is kind of
better, I don't know if it'sreally necessarily better for
basketball because it makes you,especially from the betting
standpoint, it makes you notwant to bet on the shit anymore.

SPEAKER_08 (01:28:21):
Because no, I mean I'm gonna watch because I'm you
but football, part of itspopularity is the betting and
the fantasy aspect of it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:31):
I think that but I think that the NBA loses out on
this because of that alone in aweird way.
Like, I think it's bad forbasketball that there's that,
like, because then it's notbasketball anymore and it's just
a track meet.
It's not it's not about uh, youknow, until the playoffs, of
course, because then you starthitting unders like fucking
crazy.

SPEAKER_08 (01:28:50):
But it's but it's easy, it's not easy to bet the
playoffs, but the it makes sensebetting the playoffs.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:29:00):
It's you know what?
I guess wrong.
Or oh Nissmith hit four threesin the fourth quarter.
Like watching the game, youunderstand how you how you
missed your bet.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:29:14):
But with this regular season shit, I mean
Cleveland's down 10 with 420,with 420 left.
They might win.
We don't even know.
And it's not like we don't knowon some, ooh, this is intense.
It's like well, Boston miss acouple shots, and Cleveland just
gets hot.
And it I don't know.

(01:29:35):
It's as much as it's up anddown, the game doesn't seem as
fluid.
And even watching New York, youyou know, I was texting you
during that first game.
Wow, their offense looksdifferent.
I'm not saying it's better, buteveryone's touching the ball,
people are moving, they'retaking mid range shots, they're
getting to the basket.
It's not Jalen Brunson justbeating the ball into the
ground.

(01:29:55):
Well, that nigga had two gamesof that shit.
Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Ididn't take less money for this.
But the league doesn't have timeto focus on the product on the
court because they got too muchshit off the court that they got
to deal with.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:13):
You mean the gambling?
And the and the kawaii?
That is falling to the backburner in a weird way because of
the gambling.
And I in a weird way, do we wantto say that that's been
manufactured on purpose?

SPEAKER_08 (01:30:28):
I don't know if it was manufactured on purpose by
the league, but I do think thatthe FBI doing it uh the opening
week of the season.
What the hell happened in thelast two weeks that made you
have to move now that couldn'twhere you could have saved uh
Scary Terry from even having toshow up to a game or save
Chauncey Billups from having tocoach a game and then go to jail

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the next morning.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:53):
Yeah, we're talking not even what they said.
Chauncey got someone's bangingon his door at 6 a.m.
Yeah, like you know what I mean.
We can't you know the feds thefeds are only gonna bang once,
then they just kick your shitin.

SPEAKER_08 (01:31:08):
And and even that, come on, bro.
We talk about Chauncey Billups,and and I know that uh Terry,
like Terry Rozier's lawyer cameout and said, Yeah, I didn't
have to make him do the perkwalk.
We would have turned ourselvesin.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:20):
But you know, they need the headlines.
You know what the funny thingis?
What's up?
I think I spoke to you aboutthis while it was going on,
which I'm not sure if Demi isstill watching, but obviously we
literally just saw that nigga.
Like he's sitting right next tome at Alibi at Aria, of course,
in a casino.

SPEAKER_08 (01:31:36):
Um, you know, being somebody somebody maybe it was
on a podcast, I don't remember,but they were recently they were
talking about seeing Chaunceysomewhere gambling, or somebody
I knew.
I I don't remember, but I meanguys gamble, and I talked about
this on Village Vets, I'm sure Italked about it here last week

(01:32:00):
because the you know the pointremains the same, but I'm not
saying that the NBA players werenot complicit to some degree.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:32:12):
But they also you got organized crime involved,
and if you know the history ofgambling in America, really
gambling, period, but gamblingin America and sports gambling
in America, you understand thatit's it's deeper than it's
deeper than just the guy whogets caught.
You know, Tim Donahey gotcaught, and we tried to make him

(01:32:35):
a lone or a lone ranger.
Pete Rose got caught, we triedto make him a lone ranger.
Michael Porter Jr.
got caught, we tried to make hima Lone Ranger.
Terry Scary Terry was gettinginvestigated, we tried to make
him a Lone Ranger.
Malik Beasley.
All these guys, we're trying tomake it seem like it's one-offs.
The players talk about gamblingwith each other all of the time.

(01:32:57):
They gamble on the fucking teamplaying.
They gamble on the team playing,they gamble in the fucking hotel
rooms, they probably have stupidbets going on during the games.
I mean, shit, I know I would.
Think about it.
If you Jalen, if you Jason Tatumand Jalen Brown, you LeBron,
fuck that.
You LeBron and D.
Wade in the heat.

(01:33:18):
Healthy D.
Wade.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:19):
What's a$10,000 bet?

SPEAKER_08 (01:33:22):
Hey, D.
Wade, I got I got$10,000.
Uh I outscore you today.
And now neither guy is going tomess up the game because uh
$10,000 is not enough for thatwith those types of guys.
Yeah.
But it's just it's extra sauce.
But it goes to the competitionthing.

(01:33:42):
What Kenny was uh trying toexplain last week on Inside the
NBA, uh with Michael Francis.
Oh, golly.
If you want to I and I'm not I'mnot saying everything he says is
true because I I'm not there.
I don't know.
But he's like, yeah, these guysthey gamble, they get in a hole.
What happens when you get in ahole, you gotta pay it back.

(01:34:02):
If you don't pay it back, youcan't pay it back.
I need my money back.
I I I need you to to to work thebook.
I need you to blow the game.
And Francis said he's toldplayers, hey, you're uh you go
in there, you get in foultrouble early.
Hey, you throw two interceptionsthe first two times you throw

(01:34:24):
the football.

unknown (01:34:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:34:25):
You throw it to the other team.
He's he's saying he's toldplayers to do that, and he won't
say a name, obviously, toprotect them.
And so when you see this thisdark cloud over it, and guys who
are obsessed with competitionand and and raising the stakes
and risk, uh and then otherguys, which which is how
organized crime works, right?

(01:34:47):
They they prey on on people'sweaknesses.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:34:52):
So that they can profit.
They don't really have to makethe business, they just take
they just come walk in yourtrap, take over your trap.
Yeah.
It's pretty obvious to me thatit's a bigger play here.
And this is what Donahe wastrying to get out when they were

(01:35:14):
gonna do the investigation thatDavid Stern shut down.
Because he was gonna wear thewire.
And then Stern outed, thensomehow it got leaked that he
was cooperating and uh obviouslyit got called off because uh no
one's gonna talk to Donniebecause he's cooperating.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:33):
There's that, and then there's just more so the
idea that this is something thatI hate to almost say that this
is what the league is built on,but it kind of is what the
league is built on.
It is competitiveness, right?
Yeah, that's what makes MichaelJordan so great.
That's what makes Kobe so great.
These were guys that were knownas competitors.

SPEAKER_08 (01:35:54):
Now, I am in no way saying you left the name, you
left the name out there talkingabout great competitors, by the
way.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:01):
Just you know, for the audience.
Those are the first two peoplethat come to mind.
I don't typically try to get toa third guy, it's always about
the first two that come to mind.
But nonetheless, uh, you know,there's a lot of competition out
there.
And like you said, you wouldn'tbe surprised if during the game
these guys had bets going on.
We know Jordan did.
It's it's a well-documented youknow, we know we know goddamn

(01:36:26):
well Jordan had bets going on.
If if this dude, when we see thelast dance, this guy is is
betting the fucking the fuckingsecurity dude.
Hey, I bet I can get thatquarter closer to the wall than
you can.
What the fuck type of bet isthat?
Seriously.
What is that?
Like, no, but for real, likewhat is that?

(01:36:48):
What do you mean?
I'm betting the the security guyin the hallway if I can get that
down there.

SPEAKER_08 (01:36:54):
A deeply insecure guy who challenged into
greatness.
There is a there is a stronglevel of insecurity that comes
with being highly competitive.

SPEAKER_06 (01:37:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:37:12):
Because you're having to prove yourself and you
have to get it on paper and haveit validated to say that you're
better than somebody instead ofjust looking a nigga in his face
and like, bro, I'm better thanyou.
Prove it.
Nigga, look at my look, look atme and look at you, bro.
I'm better than you.

SPEAKER_07 (01:37:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:37:31):
Again, when you're when you're totally secure in
where you are.
Come on, dog.
You ain't arguing with theseniggas.
You just gonna go out and doyou.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:40):
Yeah, you don't even talk about it.
I guess that's the thing.

SPEAKER_08 (01:37:43):
Exactly.
But when you're thatcompetitive, it is driven from
insecurity.
And again, we all haveinsecurities to varying levels,
so it's not to say that they'rebad or or weak.
It's just no, I feel like that'swhere it comes from.
But even the MJ thing, and youknow, there's all these floating
conspiracies out here, but thejob of the commissioner is to

(01:38:03):
protect the business.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:05):
So, like people It's no longer a conspiracy, though,
Lee.

SPEAKER_08 (01:38:09):
Well, uh well, some of the MJ stuff, you know, like
with you know, rest in peace tohis father, like respect well, I
don't yeah, I don't know whathappened with that, but I think
that him retiring, yes, I thinkthat that was 100% a league
suspension.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:23):
Now, now I do believe that.

SPEAKER_08 (01:38:25):
But the timing of it, because it it comes off of
his father's passing, you know,and random people rarely get
murdered for no reason.
Yeah, so that's why I say it'sconspiracy land because we're

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rational adults that can saythat just doesn't make sense,
and we don't live in crime, butwe've put ourselves in position
to be victims of crimes, but wewere unbothered because we don't
live in that world.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:01):
Correct.
Typically, like you said, whensomething happens, you are
targeted for a reason.
I've spoken about this, maybenot publicly on here, but like
like I said, I got a homeinvasion here once, and they
told me why they picked me.
There was a reason behind it.
They were tipped off that I wasselling drugs.

(01:39:23):
You drove escalade.
Drove an escalade that I hadgotten because my mom had
passed, and then um my brotherhad gotten a new truck.
He just so happened to havegotten a new truck around the
same time, and it wasn't evennew, it was like it was like
maybe a year old, it was like aSilverado, but like that's new.
That's new when niggas iswatching.
It's new, right, when twovehicles turn into two new ones,

(01:39:46):
two different ones that aredifferent from what you were
driving.

SPEAKER_08 (01:39:49):
Yeah, and Escalade screams drug dealer.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:54):
Yeah, that mine had wheels and shit on it, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:39:57):
And and like and like at your age and love the
townhouse that at that time, youthat young living in that area,
that townhouse in the Escalade.
I'd say, ah, this nigga sellingdope.
I wouldn't rob you.
I'd be like, ah, like, yeah, thenigga, hey, that nigga down,

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couple houses down.
Yeah, them niggas over thereselling dope.
They got people in and out allthe time because again, you're a
college kid, and you know, theysm I'm sure they smelt some
stuff from time to time becauseyou're a college kid, parties,
people are around, you know.
Yeah, it's selling dope.
They're in and out of the houseall the, you know, because I'm

(01:40:37):
sure you would leave campus andcome home and go back if you had
a long enough break.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:42):
Uh so yeah, that when when I couldn't get my
schedule perfect, I always tryto stay on campus because then
that's why I would say it's yourJosh Holsey's, you know, your
Julian Turner's.

SPEAKER_08 (01:40:52):
I just hit the Josh Holsey's, nah, nigga, come stay
and fucking leave, just knockingon the door.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:58):
Yeah, nah, but you know, when you there will be
times where I'd have that hourbreak, maybe, but like I always
try to go back to back.
I like I never try to,especially when I got to the
major classes, Bank of America.
No, we're gonna go fromupstairs, downstairs to down the
hall, and then we're gettingout.
Yeah, like and I'll test afive-dollar pizza, man, on my
way out, man.
And now I got myself lunch, youknow.

SPEAKER_08 (01:41:20):
And that was the group, that was the good and bad
thing about the suite.
So for one, midday sex was damnnear a no-go for our suite
senior year.
Because you're in and out, Jewsin and out, Marv is in and out,
Haitian Josh is in and out,Chris Hawthorne's in and out.

(01:41:41):
Like, all of our friends who didnot live on campus are in and
out of the suite.
No call.
Niggas know your schedule orknow somebody's gonna be there,
and they know they're welcomeand just knock on the fucking
door.

(01:42:02):
What if I had a little ugly girlin here that I didn't want y'all
to see?

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:05):
They say, nigga, that's your fault.
You shouldn't be bringing her inhere if you didn't want us to
see her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the five out pizza man waswho was clutch.
He was honestly maybe the mostunderrated person on campus.
Yeah.
And that nigga, he now you wantto talk about selling drugs.

(01:42:26):
That's what that nigga lookedlike.
He had them pies, nigga.

SPEAKER_08 (01:42:31):
Hey, I got all these voided orders.
It's it's warm, cold.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:37):
He was ordering them on purpose himself, nigga.
And then was like, oh, theyain't pick up.
They I basically I couldn't, youknow, it was set up for a
delivery.
That nigga, he was selling it onhis own.
Cause ain't no way Papa John'swas teaming up and being like,
Yeah, man, just uh go out hereand just let's just get rid of
some pot in the middle of theday.
It'd be one thing it was at theend of the night.

(01:42:58):
Like, you know what I mean?
Nah.
That nigga was working a shift.
I know.
This is what I'm saying.
And and and he would have like,bro, because everybody was
waiting on that nigga, and youknow, whenever somebody sees
somebody, then you stop too, andyou're like, shit, I got five
dollars.

SPEAKER_08 (01:43:14):
Hey, well, you see a nigga with a with a Papa John's
pizza at like two o'clock.
Five pizza, man.
Hell yeah, he over there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:23):
Hey, better yet, better yet.
Hey, here, bro.
I got ten.
Go get one for yourself and me.
Just bring it back.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, nigga, you go pick it up.

SPEAKER_08 (01:43:31):
Like, uh nigga, come back with a pizza.
Hey, nah, let me get a piece.
Nigga, no, he's right outside.
Go get your own.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:38):
It's just five dollars, boss.
And this this was think aboutit.
This was before that Chick-fil-Awas back there at Kilgore.
I kill gore was still Kilgore,but uh yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_08 (01:43:49):
You ain't nigga, Kilgore costs too much.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:52):
If you yeah, no, I never bought shit out of there,
but I'm saying, well, theChick-fil-A was clutch, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:43:57):
But like if you're not using your Morehouse, your
tiger books or whatever thatshit was in Q.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:01):
I didn't have any.

SPEAKER_08 (01:44:04):
I lived on campus all four years.
Yeah, I I didn't have any, butum, I wasn't spending my cash in
there for what 12 hour chickenplate, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:16):
Chicken tenders and fries, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:44:18):
I can go down to uh to Mercins and get uh$299 BB's.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:23):
Yeah, I was about to say actually, I was about I
thought that was like a fivedollar plate,$4.99.
$199 on Mondays, baby.
Or even at that point, just goto Popeye.
Yeah, if I'm gonna spend$12 onsome chicken, yeah.
All right, all right, evenbetter yet, churches for for the
niggas out there.
I'm a Popeye's guy.
Nah, I am too, but I'm justsaying, but for the niggas out

(01:44:44):
there, a nigga might run over tochurches because churches
they'll give you that ostrichmeat for$299.

SPEAKER_08 (01:44:49):
All right, bro.
2000 2010, first semester, uh,first semester freshman, you're
no bullshit.
The nigga shot a low pulled upto the churches.
RIP.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:01):
And I was like, bro, you're gonna give me more to it.
No, I might y'all just there,and he just you just have to see
shorty.

SPEAKER_08 (01:45:08):
I wasn't even I wasn't even there.
Oh other people was there andsaw him, and I'm like, what the
fuck y'all niggas was doing atchurches?
Popeye's across the street.
I get if churches is closer.
Popeye, nigga, it takes you thesame time.
The only difference betweenchurches and Popeyes is the side
of the street you walk downleaving campus.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:26):
Well, and at that point, you'll be able to catch
it at some point to just runacross.
It ain't always gonna be fuckingcars coming.
So and and and if you reallywant to save some money, there's
Taco Bell right there, which Igot food.
Me and D Deshawn Green got foodpoisoning towards the end of our
freshman year.
I didn't eat Taco Bell for 10years because of that.
But that's not here nor there.
Uh we got about uh less than 15minutes.

(01:45:51):
So I guess let's get to the tothe one thing that's pressing.
When be MVC MVP season loading,thoughts?

SPEAKER_08 (01:46:00):
I mean, if he isn't, he is.
It's not gonna matter.
I mean we keep talking abouthim.
I mean, they they are winninggames, so and he's putting up
big numbers, he's improved.
Uh, some of the things that Iwas concerned about before I cr
before we crowned him, which I'mstill uh concerned about.

(01:46:21):
One is playing a full season.
But uh what he's doing is justdominant.
I mean, it's it's dominant, andit's people were scared of Wimby
two years ago for the team USA.
Uh personally, I wasn't.
Yeah, I I wasn't scared ofWimby.
I'm like, all right, man, yeah,I know he killed in in in the in

(01:46:42):
the in the in the championshipgame, but he was in France at
home, different energy.
Um he still gotta gain someweight, but but but now he he's
stronger.
He's he's finishing throughpeople.
You can see the work from thesummer, the Hakeem stuff, the
Jamal Crawford stuff.
Like I'm not impressed with hishandles, just pat, pat, pat, but

(01:47:06):
it's impressive because of hisheight and his ability to not
get ripped.
Yeah, like the moves themselves,yeah, they're cool moves.
Most NBA players can do them,but at his height, to maintain
that control with that with thedistance that the ball has to
travel, it's it's fuckinginsane.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:24):
And yeah, but he does that 360.
He does that 360 layup, andsomebody people were trying to
be like he's getting glazed, andit's just like nigga.
Have y'all ever seen a fuckingseven nigga that's 7'5 fucking
do that?
No, you haven't.
Have you ever seen aseven-footer fucking do it?

SPEAKER_08 (01:47:42):
The 360 layup was whatever, nigga.
Dunk it.
I'm with you, but but would Zionlay that up?

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:52):
No, but Zion also is taking off to what the purpose
of dunking it to begin with.
I think that he was just tryingto turn and then he kind of
caught himself and just did it.
Like Fierce, the nigga can cancan can Yeah, he doesn't have to
jump to dunk.
I get it, but like I get it, andhe's long enough to just flush
it.
He can flush it.
He could, he could, he couldBlake Griffin it.

(01:48:14):
You're Dwight Howard it.

SPEAKER_08 (01:48:15):
Like your feet are off the ground and you are at
the rim.
Dunk the ball.
Yeah.
But no, Wimby's killing it.
Uh I I I enjoy watching it.
I'm curious to see what it lookslike uh when Swiper gets back
because um he just got paid,which means uh they they're

(01:48:37):
gonna follow the money too.
Wimby's gonna be Wimby, but uhSwipe was gonna do him.
Dylan Harper looks good, but themedia is going to make Wimby the
MVP because they want him to bethe MVP.
And uh there's not enough peopleout there loud enough to uh say
anything, you know.
The only person who who hasshifted a MVP debate, uh one of

(01:48:58):
the most powerful voices inbasketball media is uh Kendrick
Perkins.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:04):
I knew that you were gonna say too.

SPEAKER_08 (01:49:06):
The guy who put Ja Morant on ESPN more games?
The guy who's lost friendsbecause he ain't holding
punches, he's being seriousabout what he does in this media
game.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:23):
You mean KD Russ and Braun?

SPEAKER_08 (01:49:26):
I mean, that's a terrible those are the friends
he named.
Yeah, I mean that's those areterrible three to to lose over
doing your job.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:33):
You let KD tell them niggas were never friends
anyway, they were justteammates.

SPEAKER_08 (01:49:38):
I mean, Perk, I mean Perk, he was the pulse of that
locker room, though.
He he was the anchor.
He was.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:43):
He was.

SPEAKER_08 (01:49:44):
He was hey, real quick, uh, what are your
thoughts on the MVP on Wimby MVPglazing and all of that?
I'm sorry, I'm talking too much.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:51):
Uh honestly, statistically, so far, I mean,
they haven't lost a game, andhis numbers are insane.
So, like, he's on pace.
Obviously, he's not gonna keepthis up.
I don't record-wise, they'recertainly not gonna go
undefeated, right?

SPEAKER_06 (01:50:03):
So 30 and 12.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:05):
But I'm gonna be honest with you, if they win 47
games and he averages 30, 13,and five blocks and four
assists, they're gonna give itto that nigga.
They are they're they're alreadytrying to give the award out to
other people, anyways, becauseJokic should have won it last
year.
Shea got it.
I'm not, and nobody'sdisappointed that he got it,
because obviously he capped offone of the best seasons you can

(01:50:28):
have in NBA history.
But that was Jokic's award inreality, too.
And so it's like they want togive the award to somebody new.

SPEAKER_08 (01:50:36):
He's the somebody new, they're turning the MVP
award into the NFL MVP awards,it's becoming a big man award.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:47):
Well, this gets back to our conversation uh that we
had off air about guards ingeneral, and that's why these
niggas don't get paid like that.

SPEAKER_08 (01:50:56):
Because let's talk about the max players who put up
MVP caliber numbers.
Um, I think Harden only got one,right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:14):
He's not he's not a little guy, but like he's also
not a big dude.
I mean, he's he's big bystandard of any normal person,
but like he's not a big guy inthe NBA.
Yes, but I I'm I should havethose guys are only getting one,
though.
There's no multi-time MVP guard.
Hell, Kobe only got one.
Jordan's about the only niggafor real, for real, if you just

(01:51:36):
look at it.
Steve Nash guard that's gottenthe award multiple times.
Steve Nash.
I mean and we know that hedidn't deserve one of those,
maybe both of them, but JasonJason Tatum.

SPEAKER_08 (01:51:49):
Well, and Shay, obviously, Shea just won it last
year, but he's a 6'7, 6'6 guard.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:55):
Like Luca doesn't even have one yet.

SPEAKER_08 (01:51:58):
No, Jason Tatum is making the case for MVP right
now, man.
I was trying to tell you.
Yes, they did beat the Cavstoday, but we've we've won
you've seen that product.
You've seen that product, you'veseen the product out there.
You've probably bet on oragainst it.
Jason Tatum is making a verystrong argument as to why he is

(01:52:22):
a top five guy and should be anMVP in this league at some
point.
We gotta get back, we gotta getback to rewarding what American
basketball is.
And it's kind of racy, but I'mnot being racist, I promise.
We even with the guard stuff youwere talking about, the NBA

(01:52:42):
don't support nigga basketballno more.
The way we learn how to playbasketball, watching the NBA,
watching our favorite collegeplayers, they don't reward that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:52):
No.

SPEAKER_08 (01:52:54):
This nigga Cam Thomas Oak Hill leading score,
went to LSU averaging a dub,come in the league, averaging a
dub.
Is Cam Thomas is he good or ishe just good stats, bad team?
I don't know.
You get a nigga the ball, heputs it in the basket.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:14):
Nobody looks at Cam Thomas as a player that if you
add him in their lacking guardplay.
Like, okay, let's imagineDesmond Bain doesn't go to the
magic, and Cam Thomas does,right?
He adds the element that theywere asking for because they do
have defensive guards.
Does Cam Thomas average 25 agame with the magic?
Nah, he's coming off the benchand averaging 18.

(01:53:34):
Right.
So it's like his style ofbasketball doesn't fit winning
basketball.
That's the issue.
Like, it's not that he can'tscore, it's just that that
isn't, you're not James Hart.
We don't need you to drop 50 ina game one against the Celtics.
We don't.

SPEAKER_08 (01:53:52):
But how do we fix that?
Because these types of guys aregetting pushed out of the league
or taking lesser deals forniggas like Jake La Ravia.
And nobody in no basketballplayer's mind is Jake LaRavia
better than Cam Thomas.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:13):
I agree.
I'm looking at this now though,but look at this.
So just because I'm lookliterally looking at the box
score as we speak, Cam Thomas isfive for 17 tonight with 15
points.
So that's another thing with aguy like him, too.
He will have these type ofnights.

SPEAKER_08 (01:54:27):
And it doesn't get other people involved.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:30):
Yeah, and I'm guessing Trey Young got hurt by
the way.
He says he's only played sevenminutes, but um, but Michael
Porter's got 30.
You know, that's somebody who'sgot a hundred million dollar
contract that they traded forthat will probably get another
one in reality.
But he's 6'10.
His but his injury helped him.

(01:54:50):
Yeah, because he fell to a goodteam and he won a ring.

SPEAKER_08 (01:54:54):
Not only did he fall to a good team and won a ring,
he had to be a role player inorder to play.
Because remember, he wasn'tplaying early with Mike Malone.

unknown (01:55:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:55:08):
It's like, hey, dog, get this young nigga in.
He can hoop.
He's 16, this nigga's 16,goddamn shooting guard.

SPEAKER_06 (01:55:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:55:14):
Uh, but yeah, but he because he was forced into that
situation, and because of hisinjury, it's like, okay, you're
not gonna be, you're not gonnabe the star that you thought you
were you were gonna be becausehe was supposed to be number one
overall pick.

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:27):
That is the way that they that he was talked about,
certainly.
Um, which the intangibly, likewhen you look at him, it's like,
yeah, I'd like that on my team.
That's a guy that can shoot theball.
He's 6'10, he can dribble.
Um he can play, he can playpretty much every position.
I mean, that's like the thing,versatility, which is another
thing that these small guysdon't bring, which is why

(01:55:48):
they're not getting paid.
They can only do one thing.
That's all Cam Thomas can do,can't distribute the ball, not a
fucking great, like, it's notlike Russell Westbrook, right?
Where he's a great reboundingguard either.
Like, so it makes a ton ofsense.

SPEAKER_08 (01:56:00):
And Russ is so much better.
He was just he's just so muchbetter than the average that you
just deal with it.
Uh, let's get to the picks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:09):
We are cutting it real close.

SPEAKER_08 (01:56:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:13):
I'm ready though.
I already have I I did mypre-production here.
I got uh everything down.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:20):
Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for Parlay
Ps college football.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:33):
666.
All right, so we'll kick thisone off with where college game
day is gonna be.
We got Cincinnati at Utah.
I like Cincinnati to cover the10 and a half.
Um, they've been playing forsome really good ball.
Luke Fickle, fuck you.
All right.
Next, we got Duke at Clemson.
I think Kate Klubnick is back,if I believe all the reports I
saw.
Give me Clemson on the money.

(01:56:54):
Uh next, we got New Mexico atUNLV.
Another candidate that peoplekeep talking about is UNLV's
coach, Mr.
Dan Mullen.
Give me UNLV minus two and ahalf.
Uh next, we got Texas Tech atKansas State.
Kansas State blew doors onKansas last week.
They come back down to earththis week.
I like Texas Tech to uh coverhere on the spread at minus six
and a half.
And then we got Georgia atFlorida.

(01:57:15):
Come on now, guys.
Give me Georgia on the moneyline.
Uh, it's kind of undervalued, soI really like that.
We know Georgia's not gonna losethis game.
And then next we got Penn Stateat Ohio State.
I like Ohio State to cover the20 and a half.
I mean, that the team's indisarray.

SPEAKER_08 (01:57:29):
All right, so we got Sensi plus 10 and a half,
Clemson on the money line, UNLVminus two and a half, Texas Tech
minus six and a half, UGA on themoney line, and Ohio State minus
20 and a half.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:39):
That is correct.
All righty, ladies andgentlemen, it is time for Parlay
PFL six.

unknown (01:57:53):
Six, six, six.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:54):
All right, so we're gonna uh start this one off
popping hot.
Uh maybe the game of well, Iguess this would be the game of
the week.
Kansas City Chiefs at theBuffalo Bills.
I'm gonna take the Bills as adog at home.
I think that this is a good spotfor them.
They typically always win thismatchup.
Give me the Bills on the moneyline.
Next, we got the IndianapolisColts at the Pittsburgh
Steelers.
They got the over-under set at50 and a half.

(01:58:16):
I like it to be a scoring,high-scoring affair, honestly.
Pittsburgh's defense isn't good.
And Aaron Rodgers, they're gonnahave to put up points in order
to stay up with the Colts.
I like over 50 and a half.
Next, we got the SundayNighters, Seattle at the
Commanders.
DQ's not just gonna keep goingout like this.
I like the Commanders plus threeand a half at home.
Jaden Daniels will be back.
I expect him to be able to coverthis three and a half spread.

(01:58:37):
Next, we got the 49ers at theGiants.
From my understanding, BrockPurdy will be back.
I like the 49ers to go in there.
No camps got a boo, no problem.
Uh, and plus they will be comingoff of another loss, even though
I hope that they do lose for theFalcons' sake.
But then again, I guess it won'tmatter with us.
Give me the 49ers on the moneyline.
Then next, the game that we'regonna do a doubleheader in here
with the Bets.
We got the Denver Broncos at theHouston, Texas.

(01:58:59):
I like under 41 and a half andBroncos money line because they
are dogs, and I don't expectpoints to be scored because
these are two elite defenses.

SPEAKER_08 (01:59:08):
Under 40 and a half?
41 and a half.
Under 41 and a half and Broncoson the money line.
So we've got we got Bills on themoney line, Colts and Steelers
uh over 50 and a half.
Uh Commanders plus three and ahalf, 49ers on the money line.
Broncos uh at Texans under 41and a half, and Broncos on the

(01:59:31):
money line.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:31):
There you go.
We've got to beat the clock,please.

SPEAKER_08 (01:59:39):
All right, so for Lee's three, we're gonna go UGA
on the money line.
I'm gonna take Ohio State minus20 and a half and give you the
Broncos on the money line.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:47):
Hey, I love that.
Well, all right, man.
It's funny as always, Lee.
I'm gonna press the button now.

SPEAKER_08 (01:59:53):
All right, Doc.
Press it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:55):
All right.

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