Washed and Winning: Pilot

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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Thank you very much.
Getting pumped man Somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Happy to be back.
We're happy to be back.
See, I thought you were goingto come in with Mace or
something.
A little welcome back.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, what if I'm over here trying to DJ?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, you can tell you to pump up the jam then.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, you can tell you to pump up the jam then,
because see, you thought I wasgoing to go, mace.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
But I felt like it would be more fitting.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I think this would be a bit more fitting.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I think it fits a little bit more of what we're
trying to do over here, right?
I think it fits a little bitmore of what we're trying to do
over here.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Right, I think so we're going to get flagged on
YouTube on our welcome back.
But who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I know right, but you're doing this to kick this
thing off.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm thinking you were going to do it for the
countdown.
Oh no, no, no, on the countdowneverything's muted.
We still got to.
You know, give a little, ah, ah, ah ah, yeah, yeah, yeah A
little salsa yeah hey, likewe're back A little Eddie
Guerrero action yeah.
But hey, welcome back.
How you doing Parley, pete Goodhow are we doing the.

(02:08):
Imperial AC Lee, I'm good man,yeah, you like that little twist
out of there, yeah, yeah.
Well, the nice little twist,yeah.
Oh man, I don't like how TyreekHill's being slept on.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, I think, and we'll get to that at another
date, but you'd be reallysurprised what they had his over
under at.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
It's probably not great.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's 1,000 yards plus money for the over.
Now I don't know if that'sbecause they think Tua's going
to get hurt or that he'll gethurt.
It's kind of wild, though,because think about it this way
Tyreek Hill is the number oneplayer he was voted the number
one player by that NFL poll gethurt.
It's kind of wild, though,because think about it this way
Tyreek Hill is the number oneplayer.
He was voted the number oneplayer by that NFL poll last
year.
So I don't know, just a littleweird to me.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know what?
I'm not buying all the badpress.
I'm here, but we'll get to thata little bit later.
Man, we've been gone for awhile, hadn't done a show in a
couple of months, kind of beenpromoting something new, created
some new pages, trying to builda community, build a following.

(03:13):
Yeah, because we were kind ofwashed up.
The AC, lee Parlay, petepodcast, I think that was it ran
its course.
It was washed.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, it was washed.
You know kind of like us.
You know we're just a bunch ofguys, whether we go to the
roomie bar in Colony Square orthe Nook on Piedmont or the
Battery.
It doesn't really matter whereyou go.
You just look like a bunch ofwashed guys, a bunch of guys
that they look like they've beenthrough it a little bit.

(03:45):
You know they're sitting there.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
They got their hats on.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
They're down low, they're drinking their beer,
they're making their comments.
Just a couple of washed guys.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
But you know, if you kind of like watch the entire
night, say, if you had a dronejust following us the entire
night, you'd see that these guysgot some winners the wing
they're daggone, freakingwinning yeah, and look at me.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Not even.
I'm not even paying attentionor doing what I should have did.
I'm sitting here cursingalready.
Look at me, man.
Old old habits die hard youknow what?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
we're trying to rebrand, but we'll get there.
And tyree still still on theboard.
We're trying to rebrand, butwe'll get there.
Tyreek Neal's still on theboard.
I think I'm just going to leavehim there.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's crazy talk.
For those not aware of thesituation here, Lee somehow has
a draft going on.
Now it's not the real draft,because we've got a legitimate
draft coming up on Sunday at 5pm Eastern time.
I know nobody too much cares tojoin in on that, but you're
more than welcome to peek in andsee the shenanigans that the
locker room presents.
But we'll have the commissionlive yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
We'll have the commission live in studio too.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, and the first lady and the first lady.
Yeah, hey though.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Does Raj have a wife?
What if he gets married to thegame?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
He's married to the money.
I think the last time I lookedup he was making like $46
million or something.
And think about it by NFLstandards he's actually
underpaid even in that capacity.
He should probably be makingmore money than that.
But then again I wouldn'tcomplain either if I was making
$46 million a year.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I mean, he has lifetime access to the private
jet and you know, he just boughta little piece of ESPN, Right?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Right, which kind of I guess could transition into
our first little segment here,the three quick storylines that
we missed.
That would be considered a partof it, considering it's not
something that happened today orthat's coming up.
What were your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
uh, I think espn sold their soul and the nfl is now
in the venture capital and it'sno longer about, uh, football,
it is only using football as ameans to generate more cash so
interesting.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
take on that that's what it's always been about,
right?
Like that really is actuallywhat it's always been about,
right?
Like that really is actuallywhat it's always been about and
that's what it will continue tobe about.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I don't think always I think the league.
For a very long time it was yes, you want to make money, but
you were in the business offootball to be good at the
business of football.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
The last 30 years is when it's changed, and here's
why, and this is how I know- you, and here's why.
This is how.
I know you have not watched thecowboys uh documentary, have
you?
I have not.
And guys, don't worry, thisshow is not going to be like
first take, where we're going tosit up and talk about the
cowboys.
But I did have to bring this upbecause I've watched now the
first five episodes out of eightand, boy, talk about a loaded

(06:40):
fucking show.
Rupert murdoch makes anappearance, which is what I'm
actually about to get to Rodgerson it, obviously, all the great
cowboys, everybody.
They've got everybody in thisSeriously.
But basically the way that Foxeven came about to the NFL,
rupert Murdoch sat there andtalked about the deal that Jerry
Jones is the one that pushedthe deal.

(07:00):
He's the one that pushed theNFL to go to to fox and then,
ironically, he had just firedjimmy johnson.
And then jimmy johnson is hiredby fox to talk about it
immediately after he's fired.
And of course, as you, we knowtoday it's still true today the
cowboys get a shit ton of gameson fox, don't they?
Doesn't make a lot of sense.
I mean, yes, they're america'steam, but doesn't it make sense

(07:23):
why the cowboys are always on,even if they're bad, why they're
always America's game of theweek?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know he hasn't.
Yeah, no, but I'm happy A lotof this stuff is coming out
because as fans, we get a betterinsight into what we're
watching and what we'reconsuming, and I think it can
help better help us, like,manage our emotions with our
teams, because when youunderstand your team may not be
in it, your owner may not be init just for football reasons you

(07:51):
can then re-evaluate how youlook at the team, look at the
game, and I think long term it'sgoing to dilute the product,
kind of what we see that's goingon in the NBA.
It's too much.
It's too much data, is too muchanalytics.
I think we're going to get toomuch football, too much passing
game.
It's going to be moreentertainment than art and

(08:12):
science of a sport that happensto be entertainment.
Entertainment used to be abyproduct, which is why we still
have professional swimming, butnobody cares about professional
swimmers.
It's about the sport and it'sentertaining during the Olympics
when Michael Phelps is kickingass, that, and then American
pride, obviously.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I mean that stuff sneaks in, because once you have
something, a winner, that youcan truly get behind, you'll get
behind it.
But even if it's not somebodyof your country, right?
Usain Bolt, in that sameOlympics had everybody
mesmerized Like it was can'tmiss TV, right, and so Simone
Biles has done it the past fewtimes, team USA this year being
the Avengers, everybody was.
We knew that this was, in aweird way, their last dance and

(08:54):
that's kind of what that Cowboysdoc was like.
But long story short, rupertMurdoch they were trying to get
away from CBS because CBS waslowballing the owners.
Jerry's on top of the world.
He just won two Super Bowls ina row and he said I'm not
leaving a cent on the table.
So he called Rupert Fox, waslike risque and like kind of

(09:15):
like.
You know they had a livingcolor, the Simpsons, like they
were more younger TV and thegamble paid off for them because
, of course, that generation offans, whether you're a teenager,
a kid or a young adult, you arenow the primary watchers of
football anyways today, like youare who watches the NFL today.
So super calculated move byJerry and it goes to show why

(09:38):
the Cowboys are worth so muchbecause he is great at that.
He's very, very good at thatand I mean that's why obviously
he sits down with steve smithand he's able to kind of tell
everybody he's able to callmichael parsons a little rascal
bro like it's, it's unbelievableit is, and let me get you to my
first storyline that, uh, thatwe missed okay

Speaker 1 (09:58):
the and I think a lot of the mainstream media missed
uh, missed it too, uh thecollusion scandal and the
turmoil in the NFL PA.
So, long story short, the NFLowners were.
An independent arbitrator foundout that they were guilty of
collusive behavior, but therewas no evidence of collusion,

(10:21):
although the conversation wasabout quarterback guaranteed
contracts after not LamarJackson, deshaun Watson got his
guaranteed contract and no oneelse got a fully guaranteed
long-term contract after that.
But somehow there was collusivebehavior but no evidence of

(10:43):
collusion.
And then the PlayersAssociation buried it and didn't
tell the players about it.
And then it was exposed and nowthey're appealing it.
The executive director for theNFLPA he stepped down from his
duties and even the guy thatthey have as the interim right
now, he's kind of a guy that theowners liked.

(11:06):
It's a lot going on.
It's nasty, but the owners arereally showing their hand and
the media is not really coveringit at the mainstream level.
And it's clear and obvious why.
Espn may have it on the frontpage of ESPNcom, but not a
leading first take, because theNFL just purchased 10% of them.
Yeah, going back to thecollusion of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, and just to piggyback just real quick,
because I know we got to move on.
But, yeah, does it reallysurprise you?
Does it surprise anyone?
No, you would think that itwould be a little bit better
than this, but the NFL is kindof that way.
But the thing is, is that atthe end of the day, everybody
just cares about once that ballis kicked off?
That, like this, is really themost important thing.

(11:52):
Espn, the NFL, both of thesecompanies said we're straying
away from gambling.
Like before this big boom ofgambling, they literally were
like we denounce this shit, like, literally.
Like they literally were likewe denounce the shit, like, yeah
, literally, like they literallydenounce it.

(12:13):
Now ESPN is is a bookie, uh,which means the NFL is a bookie,
um, and the NFL openly promotesit by using their players in
commercials, former coaches,celebrities, uh, and everybody
to get in on the action becausethey're going to get their cut
out of it and, um, yeah, so itjust doesn't surprise me that
the NFL moves this way, but welove it, so it doesn't really
matter.
It doesn't change our feelingstowards whether we're going to
watch or not.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
No, I mean, we still support the Falcons and Rich
McKay is there.
But hey, give me another one ofyour storylines.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, I'll stick to what you're at and we'll break
it down, even from what you justsaid, Pablo Torre being the one
that broke it.
Let's get into the gamblingaspect of Malik Beasley in
Detroit and how they broke thatdown and how they were able to
talk to this guy in New York whoknew something about it, which

(13:01):
Malik Beasley was just clearedliterally, I think, like four
days ago or something.
He literally did just getcleared, but now it's already
fucked up for him.
Everybody's been signed.
He's not going to get thecontract that he was supposed to
get because Duncan Robinson hasit now.
They gave it to Duncan Robinsoninstead, but that's the dangers
of even having your name in it.
Terry Rozier has still not beencleared.

(13:21):
But these are just two examplesof two guys that were put into
this and you know a little bitof internet sleuth behavior
going on Pablo Torre and Iforgot the other guy's name.
They were able to basicallyuncover all this and put it
together and talk to one of theactual dudes who knew something
about this, and it's obviousthat there was something going

(13:42):
on.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
But with the Malik Beasley thing, I think it's so
unfortunate because he's nowgoing to be playing on a
one-year probably vet minimum,which means he may not get the
minutes that his talent deserves, which means when he goes back
to the market next year he'sgoing to get low-balled again
because he may not have theproduction and the team may want
to keep him.
So they want to keep his numberdown.

(14:03):
I'm not a conspiracy theoristvery often, but maybe I've been
down too many rabbit holes.
But I think because he owedpeople money in his personal
life, they allowed theseallegations to come out and be
like you know what, if you'regoing to stiff us, we're going

(14:25):
to stiff you right back.
And that's what happens whenyou play big bank.
Take little bank withbillionaires because the
landlord he owed money to,daniel Gilbert.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Right, yeah, which I mean it's because he owns the
city of Detroit, right, but likeI don't know, I get it that's
more conspiracy theory, but Imean we'll see.
I think that it is tough on him, though, and he'll definitely
somebody's going to sign himbecause he just had one of the
best three-point shootingseasons ever.

(14:54):
So he'll get picked up and he'sgot size and he's not that old.
Pause all the way.
New Kung Fu, kenny, I knew it,you were going to bring that out
here A different five.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
But hey, I got a storyline for you the undisputed
demise of FS1's personalities.
Oh, we've got Skip, who now isworking for Gilbert Arenas.
Is he really?
Yeah, gilbert just signed Skip,jay Gruden and Aqib Tlaib to do

(15:30):
a three-day-a-week footballshow.
That's actually going to be agood show For Gil's Arena.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Basically, yeah, okay , who is Gil assigned to?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
He's 100% independent .
He has a sponsorship deal withUnderdog.
I don't know what, I don't knowwhat the ownership looks like,
but I mean they, underdog, spenda lot of money over there okay,
I mean you might as well, justbe underdog, yeah, like as if
they had their own network, butlike no, because I think if gill

(16:00):
wants to pick up and leave theip, it's going to be his ip
without the sponsors well, he'sgot to get past.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
You leave the IP.
It's going to be his IP withoutthe sponsors.
Well, he's got to get past youknow, whatever gambling stuff
he's doing with Jewish people?
I don't know anything aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
You know he just owned the house.
But anyways, skip Baylesspretty much falling off the face
of the earth in the last year,shannon Sharp getting let go by
ESPN because of his lawsuit andJoy Taylor going from an
adorable cute host to now anadorable cute hoe.

(16:35):
No, I would not say those wordsabout her.
I would say she's a lady that'swalking in her truth and
letting the world know how shetruly lives, when nobody asked
and nobody really cared.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Guys, I forget that we're PG 13 these days.
I, I, I've got some gettingused to to getting used to.
No, I just, I misheard you.
Actually, that was a.
That was my mistake.
I thought you said what I said,but that's obviously not what
you said, so we'll move on.
Yeah, no, that's, that'sdefinitely interesting too, but
one thing that we don't reallytalk about.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Would you get Jalen Warren as your running back
three or get a Mecca?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Buka, yeah, as a flex .

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, I'd go him.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
No, he's not even a flex.
I got Devontae Smith as my flex.
I got a Buka.
I got Drake.
I got a flex.
I got Devontae Smith as my flex.
I got Abuka, I got Drake.
I got Tyreek, I got KamaraDerek.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Henry, you're set at wide receiver.
You don't really have to draftanother wide receiver the rest
of the night.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm screwed at tight end.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
But anyways, this is a 12-man league.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Wow, that's impressive.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I'm good when I pay attention.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, and my last storyline that we missed out on.
It's something that we didn'treally talk about.
That kind of began before then,but I want to shine a light on
it because I think we all grewup such big fans.
The John Cena farewell tour.
Many people know John Cena forI don't know him for anything

(18:07):
dealing with being in you knowmovies, but some people do know
him for being in movies.
Look at this.
He's cut off his thing becausehe don't want to hear any of
this.
Um, you know it's a big deal,though they're giving him this
like walk out right, like kindof what, reminiscing a little
bit of like what kobe got, umwhen we knew he was going to
retire, which, you know.
We might be getting one anotherone this year, we'll see but um

(18:28):
, which maybe that could be thelast one you want to bring up
but uh nonetheless, I just thinkthat it's super duper
interesting the way that the wweworks, uh, with that and how
they're trying to play this.
They brought back brock lesnar.
It's just interesting thenostalgia.
It's kind of like trying tobring in more people that were
wrestling fans, because Icertainly knew about it, you
know, um, and they're alreadykind of setting up these matches

(18:50):
like he's gonna fight brocklesnar, so like I'm interested
in that because I remember it sowell, but it's you know it's
crazy how nostalgia is leadingthe way in so much of our
entertainment because, um, we inthis microwave society where we
don't actually incubate ourtalent anymore and allow people
to grow with them, we just gotto rely on the retired guys.

(19:13):
And then Hulk Hogan dying aswell.
Since I was already doingwrestling, I might as well make
that a half and half.
Everybody has a very mixedopinion about Hulk Hogan dying.
Shitty person, most popularwrestler of all time, that's
pretty much my thoughts.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I didn't know Hulk Hogan personally.
I just knew Hulkamania and hewas good for what he was.
I just don't care aboutpeople's personal lives if I
don't know him.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, even if he's calling you.
No, even if you're datingBrooke Hogan.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Well, I've not been that fortunate, yeah, ok, you
know I could talk about thetyrannical takeover of the
government, but I'll save thatfor culturally inappropriate.
With AC Lee debuting soon, thisis culturally inappropriate.
It's you just making thesedrops.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
This is culturally inappropriate.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
If you're just making these drops, but no, the last
thing I want to talk about isthe fall off of LeBron and I
don't even know if it's a falloff.
It's just that we don't havemuch to talk about these days
and the intersection of his falloff with Stephen A's rise, and

(20:24):
we have LeBron no longer beingthe best player on his team, the
team no longer being builtaround him specifically and
solely, and what that looks likefor him and his ego, but also
what that means, what that meansmoving forward for the NBA and
the Lakers, and how he's coveredand if he's going to continue

(20:44):
playing.
I mean, we got the Warriorsstill trying to trade for him.
We'll see if that happens, whoknows.
And then we have Stephen A justcontinue to talk about LeBron
James, even when he says hedoesn't ever want to talk about
LeBron James, and he only talksabout LeBron James when LeBron
James is brought up to him.
I should go Evan Ingram or JakeFerguson here, but I'm going to

(21:07):
go Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm going to regret this right, there's the upside,
is there?
I mean, is he tied in one, yeah, evan Ingram's with Denver?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Go Evan.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Ingram.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Go Evan Ingram.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Too late, I already took Pitts.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Because I know Sean's going to use his tight ends.
But yeah, the Stephen A andLeBron thing you know Stephen A
is moving up in the world.
He's more than a sportscaster.
He's now an executive.
He's got part ownership overthere at Sirius.
He's a.
He's a.
He has a political show.

(21:46):
He looks like he's going to beon the campaign trail and uh,
lebron falling off as an nbaplayer and uh, those two
crossing paths he got a bigshout out from the president too
well, he knows how to uh appealto the people who care about
him well, that wouldn't be me.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Um, but good for steve.
We're really really proud ofsteve.
Um, first take, first whatever.
But I guess that kind of leadsus to really the first true
topic of this show all right.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
So we're going to do a quick Falcons first.
It's not going to be asin-depth.
We're doing an NFC preview nextweek.
We got our AFC preview thisweek.
Probably should have told youall that.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, a little college football preview.
We might as well just throw itall out there.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, a little college football preview.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
And we've got a special guest that I am elated
to actually say that I have aconfirmed text message from that
will be joining us next week.
We will not yeah, I'm not goingto say the name, but we've got
a special guest joining us.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know I was about to tease that before you cut me
off.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I was going to hit thewhole rundown.
Hey look, we're two monthsrusty.
Cut me some slack Come on man.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
You know, if the people knew the background on
the character profiles that wedid, I would just make so many
jokes about those right now.
But we're not Good, let's keepit at Falcons first.
Alright, right, so with falconsfirst.
What are you most excited aboutwith the falcons going into, uh
, this new season?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I think the optimism of the beginning of a new era is
probably the thing I'm mostexcited about.
Obviously we've the last threeyears you could even argue four
in total have kind of been onthis quarterback carousel Right.
Like even with Matt Ryan kindof coming into the end of his

(23:52):
time here and his decline, weknew that something was going to
have to happen.
A lot of people wanted to draftJustin Fields even that year
that was Matt Ryan's last year.
So it feels like the last fouryears we've kind of just had
these issues at quarterback.
I mean, we've had what?
Five different startingquarterbacks the last four years
, you know or actually, I'msorry, make that six.

(24:16):
You've got Matt Ryan, Marcus,Mariota, Kirk, Cousins, Desmond
Ritter, Taylor Heineke, MichaelPenix.
So you've had six differentstarting quarterbacks in four
years.
I'm excited for the idea of anew era beginning, finally, and
us getting to see it up closeand in person.
And, yeah, just a lot ofoptimism about this season,

(24:38):
because I think that this teamis talented enough to certainly
win the division and I thinkmaybe this is a little bit
biased, but I think it'sobjective's objective to be a
dark horse sleeper Super Bowlcontending team, a team that can
be like what the Commanders didlast year.
I think that the Falcons can dothat.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
The thing I'm most excited about personally is to
see what this past Russiandefense is going to look like.
You know, we got our draft pickfrom last year coming back.
We went heavy on the D-ins.
We moved up into the firstround to grab a second pass
rusher in James Pierce, and I'mjust excited to see what that
looks like, because the Falconshaven't had a pass rush since

(25:17):
the Super Bowl year.
And if we can get that offensehumming, you know B John early,
I just need him to break a60-yarder.
Finally, and we get that goodchemistry between Drake and Kyle
Pitts, you know, shout out tomy fantasy team and that defense
is allowed to put its ears backand go.

(25:39):
And you know that's what I'mmost excited about to see us put
together some three phases offootball.
Now I got a couple issues andthese are real quick.
Saw the roster Felipe Frankscontinues to make our roster.
It bothers me and Youngway Koois back, not happy about that,

(25:59):
but we'll see.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, I don't think he lost the job in camp, based
on the preseason at least hedidn't miss any kicks.
So they were.
And for what it's worth, koocould come and say to us there
used to be there's this old LilWayne song where the hook went
haven't I been good to you?
And he has, for the most part,koo's been clutch.
He lost us the Saints game andthat basically makes or breaks

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us making the playoffs last year.
But it is what it is.
I'm with you on the FelipeFranks.
I've already told you what Ibelieve.
I think that him and Rich McKay, they've got something on the
owner and I'll just leave thatat that.
But my biggest concern is,honestly, what you're most
optimistic about is the passrush.
You know the line play ingeneral.

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Are we going to be able to getsome heat on the quarterback?
I have optimism about JamesPierce, and so does Louis
Riddick, obviously, because hisbold prediction this year was
that James Pierce Jr leaves theNFL in sex and I don't know what
he saw that makes him thinkthat.
But then again, it's a boldprediction, right.
And then, of course, now we'vegot this issue at right tackle,

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that kind of shows up on thedoorstep of the season, coming
up with preseason over, you'restarting right tackle.
That you probably paid.
Two days before he got injuredyou extended him to your deal
gone for the year.
His backup, who's a swingtackle, storm norton out half
the year.
And so now you're you're you'rerelying on your third string
right tackle and then you bringin a guy from seattle today.

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It's concerning because that'smichael pennix's line side,
considering he's a left-handedpasser.
So I'm a little concerned withboth sides of the line.
Um, I know we had one of thebetter lines last year but, like
I said, that that's animportant, a really important
position.
I don't think we're going tomiss a beat in the run game, but
it's pass protection.
So you know we'll see Passrushing and pass protection.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, my biggest concern is the offensive line.
That was one of our strongpoints while the team was down.
And to let our center leave andthen to have injuries to two of
our linemen, it's like damn,we're down.
We're down three people from aunit that is one of our best
units.
So we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
But oh, can we do a bonus one real quick?
Sure, because we can both sharethis one.
The other concern is Raheem.
I mean, that's the reality ofit.
I think that if there'ssomebody that we don't have
faith in out of everything onthe team, it's actually him.
So I'm I'm wishing that thatraheem does his thing this year,
man and and he has theimprovement that he had the

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first time he was a head coachin his second year, because he
went 10 and 6 in tampa thatsecond.
So my hope is that he improveson his clock management and
timeout skills, which was anissue last season in a couple of
games not just the Washingtongame Having it.
In a couple of games he didn'tknow how to manage the clock.
So I hope that he, like,improves on that and he doesn't
hold this team back from beingwhat they really can be.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Agreed, and you know that clock management thing.
It's awful.
That's one of those things thatyou don't get practice with as
a coordinator, especially thetimeout guy though.
I mean, I know you have your guy, but you being the guy who has
the feel for the game and thetimeout we remember Belichick

(29:24):
not calling a timeout againstSeattle in the Super Bowl you
know, just having those yearsand those games and that feel
for the game to kind of knowthat's something that just comes
with time, unfortunately.
Look how long it took Andy Reidto figure out clock management,
and I still don't know if he'sfigured it out.
But let's get to our out clockmanagement, and I still don't

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know if he's figured it out.
But let's get to our AFCpreview.
Let's get to it.
So for our AFC preview, we'regoing to start with the AFC East
.
I think we should just go indescending order, starting with
the Bills, the top team in thedivision last year.
Mvp coming back.
We've got Sean McDermott on amedia-created hot seat that may

(30:19):
actually last, because if themedia says it enough, the fans
say it enough and the teamdoesn't get over the AFC hump,
that is Patrick Mahomes, thehead coach has got to be the
problem.
Maybe we're just not the secondbest team in the AFC, but I
expect them to come back.
They look great.
They got their running backsigned finally, and Keon
Coleman's in year two.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, and I'm with you, I agree with you.
I think that they're definitelygoing to be, uh, the team
that's in first this year.
Of course, uh, they had a greatyear last year, of course it
just it's one of those thingswith me is can they get over the
hump?
And I just we'll get to thatnext week in terms of overall,
where we think these gonna endup in the postseason.

(31:04):
But I agree, agree with you,they're going to end up winning
the division.
They got James Cook paid.
They added Joey Bosa to theline to sub out Von Miller, so I
think that's a boost becausehe's younger and just a better
pass rusher.
But that was a nice little signthat they got there.
And I think, yeah, seanMcDermott is still on to me,
this media hot seat, because ifthere is a coach that does

(31:28):
somehow become available, hecould be out of the job in
reality if they lose in thedivisional round.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
What coach do you think might become available?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean, look, there's one that's sitting there now
that's won a Super Bowl that alot of people thought shouldn't
have left Dallas and he's anoffensive guy.
Gruden's not working in the NFL, but there's at least just off
the top of my head.
There's the guy that just gotfired in Dallas, and he won a

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Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers Ithink his name is Mike McCarthy
Hell of a coach, and before lastseason, when Dak gets hurt, he
won 12 games.
He did what Sean McDermott'sdoing.
He's won 12 games every yeartoo, but he's an offensive guy
and he's actually done it beforeand he would fit that area.

(32:21):
He kind of fits.
He's already done it in GreenBay.
He would fit a place likeBuffalo.
They've got a new stadiumopening up.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't think so.
I don't think McCarthy's a goodfit there, because McCarthy, he
doesn't like the run game.
Enough for me and if you'replaying up there in Buffalo come
January, baby, we got to groundand pound.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Does he not like the run game, or has he just always
had bad running backs on theteams that he's coached?
Because even when I look atGreen Bay, it's like Ryan Grant,
I mean Eddie Lacy ate himselfout of the league, like those
are the guys he had up thereThen in Dallas, I mean, what the
hell was he supposed to do withthe broken down Zeke Elliott

(33:08):
and and Tony Pollard, yeah, andtony think about, tony was the
backup, though he was really thebackup in doubt.
So I, I don't know, I I think,uh, I'll give him a pass on that
how about that?

Speaker 1 (33:24):
because?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
james cook's better than all those guys, because
zeke was pretty much.
He was starting to be finishedby the time he got there what
about my guy?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
what about?
What about the guy down inChapel Hill?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Chapel Bill.
I mean he would do it.
He would do it to stick it toNew England, I feel like.
But I don't feel like thatwould be where he would want to
go, because that John's jobmight open up and even though
Dayball is one of his guys, healways talks about his affinity
with the New York Johns.
So that would be, yes,certainly, if they can't call

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him because they have Josh Allen.
It's not a reclamation projectfor him.
He pretty much is, you know,hopping into a Ferrari, right?
So I really actually I'll tellyou what a 2026 F450 instead?
because that's Buffalo, that'snot a Ferrari town.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Nah, yeah, that's a nice.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
F3, not a.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Ferrari tail, that's a nice F3, f450, diesel, dually
lifted, nice big tires.
What about the Dolphins?
The Dolphins have appeared tohave the worst offseason in a
while.
They've been a solid team.
They win games when Tua plays.
They don't win games when Tuadoesn't play.

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They get Zach Wilson down thereas a while.
You know they've been a solidteam.
They win games when Tua plays.
They don't win games when Tuadoesn't play.
They get Zach Wilson down thereas a backup.
But the culture is apparently aproblem because Mike McDaniel
can't get his star players toshow up on time.
And I kind of have an idea ofwho he might be talking about,
because if the fines don't work,that means the players are
making a lot of money and ifthey're not getting benched,

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that means they're really good.
So leave it up for discussion.
Probably the receiver room.
But you see, they ran off VicFangio.
They didn't like Brian Floresdown there.
It appears that accountabilityand discipline are just absent
from the Miami Dolphins.

(35:18):
If Pat Riley has told usanything about being successful
in Miami, discipline has to beat the forefront of your
athletic program.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
For sure, obviously, big party town, beautiful women,
beautiful beaches, gateway tothe Caribbean.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
You said beautiful beaches, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
B-E-A-C-H-E-S.
Yeah, like South Beach.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Okay, I was just making sure you weren't saying
something else.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
No, no, no.
I learned my lesson from thefirst 10, 15 minutes of the show
.
I won't have another mishap, mrImperial, but my point is this
Can you call me Grand Wizardinstead?
I don't know, are you going togo up on Stone Mountain and say
that Atlanta is Atlantis?

(36:09):
If you do, that then yes.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Don't call me Grand Wizard.
I think that could get uscanceled.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Or it could get us on Whitlock.
I don't know, we'll see Anyways.
So I know that you're listingthem second.
I don't think that they'regoing to finish second.
But I'll talk about theDolphins.
I think that when you look atthat team, I don't think there's
a coach on a hotter seat thanMike McDaniels.
I think that it seems like hismessage is kind of fizzled out.

(36:40):
You know he kind of came inwith this cool like laid-back
swagger about himself.
They did have early success.
They were able to get TyreeKill to come down there.
Tua did stay healthy and we sawkind of what they could do.
They ran into the Kansas CityChiefs what was this?
Two years ago?
Almost in the playoffs.
They couldn't win in a coldweather game.

(37:01):
The first time they went to theplayoffs Tua was hurt.
They had Skylar Thompson Bothof these times.
You know we were together toofor those games, yeah we were.
It was crazy.
We were in Tampa and then wewere at my house, but like, yeah
, and both times it was kind ofthe same thing, and so it's just
kind of like have they reachedtheir ceiling under his tutelage

(37:22):
?
They need somebody to kind oftake it further.
I don't know.
It seems like a lack ofdiscipline is a big deal and,
like you already said, they'velost two great defensive
coordinators, two guys that won14-plus games last year with the
defenses that they were running, and both of their defenses
were in the top five in the NFL.
So what's the issue down inMiami?

(37:43):
I don't know.
We have to start looking atleadership.
I mean, that's how I think anybusiness would like to go right.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
They'll look at it from the top down.
I'll start with Chris Greer.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, from the top down.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
That's what I'm saying.
I'll start with Chris Greeryeah, from the top down, because
I mean Greer.
He hired what's my man's name?
He hired B-Flo and he hiredMike McDaniel.
So if the discipline is theproblem when B-Flo was the head
coach, it's not just B-Flo.
But I think if Miami Doesn'thave a good season which I don't

(38:18):
think they will, but I wouldn'tbe shocked if they won 10 games
either, because if two wasupright and healthy, that
offense is still explosive.
Devin a chain.
Tyreek hill, jaylen waddle,mike gasecki he's not still
there anymore, he's in newengland.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I'm tripping they're a seven to ten win team.
They've got darren waller.
That's who they got.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Darren the Baller Waller Straight out of Ackworth.
Anyways, miss Plum Shout out,but you know, you know Maybe
it's the revenge season for him.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I don't know.
Or either that or the raprecords weren't selling.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
They definitely weren't selling.
But I think Mike McDaniels getsrelegated to his correct role
in the NFL and that is top-tieroffensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well, I just hope that the Falcons don't do too
well to where they come callingfor Zach to take his job.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Because I feel like he's going to be one of those
guys that is going to getinterviews after this type of
year.
But we will talk about the NFCnext week.
Now on to the third team, whichI figured we were going to go
to the Patriots next.
Anyways, that's who I believeis going to be second place in
the division.
Yeah, take a look at thePatriots.
They hire Mike Vrabel.
After one uninspiring year withGerard Mayo, which I think we

(39:39):
all kind of knew that he wasjust set up to be a one-year
coach, they knew that MikeVrabel was the guy that they
wanted.
I don't know why.
I guess actually I do know why.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
No hold on.
It was in.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Gerard Mayo's contract to be the coach in
weight.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, but yeah.
But they were grooming Mayo,probably not thinking.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
That Vrabel would be available.
Yeah, yeah but he was and theyhired him and he brings back
McDales I like it.
Yeah, I like it too.
So it brings back a little bitof what the Patriots were.
Obviously, because Mike playedthere for several years, he's a

(40:23):
winner.
He's a great coach already andhe does a lot with the little.
We saw that in Tennessee Likehe was able to do that.
Hell, he got Arthur Smith ahead coaching job, arthur.
Smith has no business coachingas a head coach in the NFL, and
he got him a job.
Art Smith has no businesscoaching as a head coach in the
NFL.
He got him a job.
So did Derrick Kim, butnonetheless I like that coaching
hire that they did.
I think that I'm as optimisticas the rest of the talking heads

(40:47):
in sports media.
I think the Patriots will begood this year.
I don't think that they arenecessarily going to be a
playoff team, but I could seethem going nine-8 because I
think that Mike Ray was that bigof a culture shifter and I
think that Drake May naturallyprogresses and Drake May really
does have that Justin Herbertabout him.
So it's kind of like he ain'tgoing to lose you football games

(41:10):
, I guess, is what I kind of seein him more than anything and I
don't want to call him a gamemanager, because we just haven't
seen enough of him but I liketheir trajectory and I like the
way that things are going there.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
And I think him having Josh McDaniels is going
to be great for his growth anddevelopment because Josh can
take his time with him, but Joshalso knows what right looks
like so he can hold him to ahigh standard.
I think he's definitely goingto elevate them.
I'm not high on them being aplayoff team Again won't be
shocked but I think they'regoing to be a tough out week in

(41:44):
and week out.
When you play the Patriots,you're going to know that you
play the Patriots each week andI think that's the most
important part.
Do we have anything on the Jets?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, of course we do Shit show.
That's what we have on them.
They're a blank show.
It's just one of those things.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Real quick Braylon Allen, leggett, hollywood Brown
and Brandon Ayuk.
I feel like Ayuk's a steal,ayuk yeah, but you're so set at
receiver.
I mean you can use one of themin the trade bargain, but Well,
that's what we're thinking whenwe take Iuke.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, but he's a good stash player because he
technically should be the numberone guy.
So I know he's recovering.
He's not going to play week one, is he?
No, yeah, so he's like a stashguy.
Has Ricky Pearsall been draftedyet.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I hope so.
I mean I'm not interested, Imean we're on the same page now.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Well, we'll get to the NFC next week, because now
you're making.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I think I know exactly what you're trying to
say about their quarterback, butanyways, oh, yeah, oh, I can go
ahead and tell you I'm pickinghim to go last in the division
next year.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Okay, Well we'll talk about that.
But, um, I think if you look atthe jets, this is a transition
year, so the idea would not befor them to really make any
noise, but they also have abunch of young talented players,
I mean.
So it's kind of like how goodcan they be?
I think the ceiling is theseven-win team.

(43:15):
I mean that's my ceiling.
I think, if everything goesright, if Justin Fields plays as
well as he did with Pittsburgh,if the Jets' defense can kind
of get the identity and the rankthat they kind of were prior to
that Because, think about it,the Jets' defense was looked at
as their calling card even theyear that Aaron Rodgers got hurt
in the first series Last year,the start of the year that Aaron

(43:36):
Rodgers got hurt the firstseries Last year to start the
year.
They weren't bad.
The defense wasn't bad.
To start the year, it was justafter they made all the firings,
and so you bring in Aaron Glenn.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
No, you fired Bob Sala, the good defensive
coordinator.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, but you brought in another good defensive
coordinator, aaron Glenn's donea terrific job with the Lions.
Considering all that they had,I thought the Lions' defense was
always pretty like them.
Last three years they've beenpretty good.
They haven't been the best unitin the NFL like how Bob Sala
had out in San Francisco, whichis what makes your take on them
coming last even crazier.
But considering this is a teamthat went to two of the last

(44:10):
four, I don't know.
But, anyways, they've been toSuper Bowls that many times, but
anyways, making me want to getto the NC, the Jets, at the end
of the day, they're a team thatI think can be frisky not to the
level of New England, but Itell you what, maybe this is my
hot take on the division.
I'm not saying I think they'regoing to come in last, but I

(44:32):
wouldn't be surprised if theDolphins really tanked out and
the Jets maybe had a betterrecord than them.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I wouldn't be surprised by that.
I think this year is beingAaron Glenn's year to get his
quarterback.
If Justin Fields proves that hecan be a quarterback, then cool
, which I think he's not an NFLquarterback, based on what I've
seen throughout his career.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Well, if you ask Houston, he's busting fields,
not just in fields.
That's what he said, not me.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I wouldn't call him a bust, I just because he keeps
getting jobs and he did drop inthe draft.
You know what I mean.
He dropped to like 15.
But anyways, I don't have muchon the Jets, yeah.
I mean, I don't have much on theJets.
Let's get to the AFC South.
I think this is a pretty easydivision to predict.

(45:27):
Houston won the division.
They didn't play as well asexpected last year, but I think
that's because the expectationsof them were too high.
They still were a 10-win teamwho won a playoff game with a
second-year quarterback, asecond-year head coach.
I think they're okay.

(45:47):
New offensive coordinator, newO-line coach Apparently they
brought in Skarniecki asunderboss.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I believe in that.
Who they hired as the OC, Idon't remember, but look it up
real quick.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Bobby Sloan was the OC last year, right, yes, and he
got fired.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
As he should have.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Let me see Texans OC, Because I don't remember who
they hired, honestly, NickCayley, who was previously the
tight ends coach and passinggame coordinator for the Rams.
So okay, they kept it in thetree, obviously, but that'll be

(46:37):
interesting.
But more interesting enoughabout the Texas is the news that
we got today.
Joe Mixon fucking might noteven play this year, so like
with them.
That's a concern because JoeMixon came in last year and did
have a great year.
Like he played very well, yeah,he was the running back Like he
played very well.
Yeah, he was the running guy.
Yeah, he played very well.

(46:59):
Their offensive line was alittle shitty because CJ Stroud
did get hit a lot.
You don't have I was about tosay Will Fuller, you don't have
Tank Dale, he's done.
He might not even be back.
I mean, I hope he does comeback.
I'm praying I hope he reallydoes come back, but he might be
done.
He's definitely not coming backnext year.

(47:19):
No, you lost Diggs, who gothurt early last year because
he's in New England.
We didn't even bring him up inthe New England part of it.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
He had a good offseason.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
So we saw and heard.
But you know, one of their cardcards is that that defense is
going to be pretty good thisyear.
They've got a good defense.
They've got Stingley maybe thebest secondary in the AFC.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Man, maybe the NFL.
Like they've got a pretty goodSay about that.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Well, we'll get to that division soon enough, but I
think that's a better totalitydefense.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
But then you've got Will.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Anderson coming off the edge, they still got Daniil
Hunter and they're a defensivecoach team, so it's kind of just
like I don't know that shouldwork in their favor.
And they still have the bestquarterback in that division too
.
So, like you sure, yeah, yeah,yeah, because even if he, cj
Stroud, can't be worse than whathe was last year, I don't think

(48:17):
he can.
Do you believe in junior slumpsor junior downfalls?
I mean, we've seen it withinjured guys, like RG3 went from
freshman phenom to sophomoreslump, to damn near basically
fucking out of the rotation atquarterback, because Kirk
Cousins is the quarterback.

(48:37):
So we've seen it when injuriestake place, but not when a guy
isn't injured.
Typically if you have asophomore slump, but you're a
good quarterback, you willbounce back that next year.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
We saw it with Trevor Lawrence too.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Well and look, he's in that division as well.
But I just think that, and Iknow that we'll probably get to
them literally next.
But at the same time, I justlook at it from the perspective
of my questions for Houston arethis you don't have a true wide
receiver too.
I like Dolph Schultz's tightend.

(49:14):
You had offensive linequestions last year and now
you're running back.
Who's a 1,300-yard back, won'tbe back and Nick Chubb is
supposed to be leading thatgroup and he's coming off of his
third knee, I mean think aboutit Nick Chubb has literally had
like three knee surgeries andhe's like 28.
So like.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
They said he's cooked Like.
They said he's cooked.
They said he hasn't looked goodat all.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Right.
So now it's like well, isDamian Pierce the guy, or is it
Agumawale at running back?
You know what I'm saying.
That's what they're dealingwith right now.
They can't sign a Kareem Huntoff the street because he's
still in Kansas City.
But it's like you know, maybethey could make a trade with the
Falcons and give up anoffensive lineman for Tyler
Algier.
Maybe that'll help.
But like I don't know, I don'tknow, I still will pick them to

(50:00):
finish first in this division,because I have to be proven
wrong and I think that they havethe best.
They have the best defense, thebest quarterback and the best
coach.
So that's how I feel.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay, yeah, no, I think they're going to win that
division as well.
But let's talk about theJacksonville Jaguars.
We've got a new coach there,duval.
You know, a guy who kind of hidfrom Tampa Bay.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Oh, Liam, Did he hide or did he just lie to them?
Didn't they say he said hisdaughter was sick?
Can you imagine being out withyour daughter, bro, and you're
avoiding phone calls from youremployer because you're trying
to get another job.
That's better and they don'tmind if you get a better job.
But you just lied to them aboutit because you had already

(50:53):
committed to staying there andthey were going to give you more
money.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I mean, you know, then you just got to tell them
hey, they're giving me this muchmoney to be the OC.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
But that's kind of the point, that's what I'm
saying, because you imaginedoing that, that you say that
hey, I'm with my daughter andshe's sick.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
But you're not answering phone calls like
you're texting or emailingpeople this and they called you
and chef, he's breaking thestory, but I think that the
bigger, uh, I think the biggerstory out of there is what's
travis hunter going to be?
Uh, is he?
Obviously he's playing bothsides of the ball, but what?
What does that mean for him,his career, how is he going to

(51:36):
get paid?
And what does that mean forplayers moving forward?
Because, as great as it is forhim to be, this individual
talent that can play both waysat the highest level, you're
also getting two players for theprice of one, and I don't think
the nfl is going to pay youlike shohei otani, where he's
getting paid.
He's getting paid for playingboth sides of the ball.

(51:57):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah well, he's Shohei Ohtani.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, well, he's going to get paid no matter what
, because yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Well, he's just globally, he's just you know.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
And he's going to get paid because you know he.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, he knows bookies.
No speaking list.
No speaking English no speakingEnglish.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't speak English.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, he doesn't pay attention to his bank account
somehow, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I heard a story today that you know it's crazy, but
no.
So what does that look like forplayers moving forward?
What does that look like forhim?
How will his body hold up?
How will his wind hold up?
And if he's gonna have to playone position primarily, what
side of the ball would that be?
I think defense is where heshould be, primarily because of

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his great ball skills, and Idon't think you can sub in on
defense like that.
I think you got to play defense.
I think he can sub in more onoffense I, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I think that all in all, he should be primarily a
cornerback A, because theirdefense was atrocious last year.
I think we were definitely onthe phone.
I think it was a doubleheader.
We were texting.
At least it was a doubleheader.
Monday night game.
They played like the Bills.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I didn't watch that game.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, I know, because there was like a real one on
the other channel.
But the thing is is that I didbecause, fantasy wise, you know
I had james cook sauce and it'smonday night, so you know you
got to win that matchup so I waspaying attention yeah, I, I was
paying attention and the onething I noticed was that I was
like god, this defense isfucking horrendous.
Excuse my language, but it'shorrendous.

(53:36):
And so, yeah, he shoulddefinitely be in that secondary.
Because Josh Allen actually,I'll tell you what happened that
week.
I played Anthony Gamble's andhe had Josh Allen and Josh Allen
threw like four or fivetouchdowns in the first half and
so I'm like man, they're goingto bench him in the no, no, no,
no, no, no.
He potted on in the third.
He actually started running theball in the third.

(53:56):
They're up big, but he'srunning it now like risking more
injuries.
Then he sat and MitchellTrubisky got to.
You know, drag everybody to thefinish line, but, like you know
, he should play corner and beoccasionally.
He should do exactly what Primedid, kind of.
But more offense right, becauseprime wasn't really.

(54:17):
Uh, yeah, he's a gadget mostprime caught 10 passes in a
season.
Like it's not, like he was he'sright gadget.
He's like uh, I don't want tosay you know how devin hester
kind of used to be yeah but lessyeah.
So that that's kind of how Isee, but my outlook for them
just in general, they don't evenI think getting Liam in there

(54:40):
should improve the offense,because maybe this Doug style is
stale.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I think some of it was stale.
But I also think that withTrevor Lawrence, his hype as a
prospect versus his productionas the NFL quarterback we still
haven't level set that properly.
I think now he's beingunderrated.
Okay, but because he was sooverrated and I don't think in a

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grand scheme of things, if youlook at his career he's not
underrated I just think in thismoment he is being underrated as
a quarterback and I think hisfrom what I've heard, liam Cohen
has a half-field offense withquick reads so Trevor can make

(55:32):
quick decisions and not think asmuch.
That's what Baker was doing.
And I think that's what Trevorneeds, because he came from
Clemson a half field readoffense and get him back playing
that way so he's comfortableand the turnovers come down.
Because if not, if Trevordoesn't show something this year

(55:53):
, he might be picking up a visorand a clipboard moving forward,
he might be Carson Wentz.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
That's a hot take.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Only because he had just signed a contract.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Now it might not be in Jacksonville where he's
starting, but somebody will takea flyer on him just because of
how valuable decent quarterbackplaying Now.
I'm with you in terms of thiscould be his last year in
Jacksonville, no doubt.
Especially, I guess it dependson how bad he looks Well.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I'm calling him Carson Wentz right, because
Carson went to.
He went to Indy and he didn'thave a bad year.
It wasn't great.
He was like 23 touchdowns, 7picks or something like that.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
They won 9 games, I think yeah, or eight and eight,
something like that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Ursae just flew off to fucking handle RIP because he
lost that last game and theydidn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
And then he picked up Matt Ryan.
Right, yeah, good call, weappreciated it.
Yeah, we do Made things easierfor us.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah we didn't have to take O'Neal out back.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Well, hell, we wasted a third on another guy that's
not playing football, no more.
So I get it, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Hey, let's get out of here, let's get to the Colts.
Only thing I think is importantto talk about the Colts is the
future of Anthony Richardson.
I had a inkling that DanielJones would beat him out in camp
.
I think that Daniel Jones is abetter professional quarterback

(57:31):
than Anthony Richardson.
I think Anthony Richardson hasmore potential.
But if we're just going topractice every day and we're
going through the offense, Ithink that Daniel Jones is going
to look better day in and dayout, executing the offense as
Shane Steichen designed it atpractice.
I'm not saying he's executingat an A or an A+ or even a B,

(57:55):
but you know, sometimeseverybody can turn in, they test
and everybody fail.
But like you fail with a 65,and I fail with a 40.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Or you get great on a curve, right?
I mean, that's what you got todo.
Well, in their case they haveno choice, right?
But like I guess I'm with youon that that definitely is the
the talk of that team.
It's the idea that you tookthis guy fourth right.
He went fourth and so it was abad pick when they made it but

(58:26):
we knew that I think, intangiblythey didn't have the right
person there, like I know itsounds odd like, but you,
literally, even if he wasn'tgonna start, I mean, he could
have had cam newton there, likeyou could have had somebody
there to like, literally, like,well, not even him through how
to use himself to hit the bestof his ability but I don't even

(58:49):
think it's just that.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I think that their roster was too close to
contending because the philiprivers team made the playoffs.
The carson wentz team almostmade the playoffs.
We thought matt ryan was goingto be good there.
He wasn't the o-line wasterrible, yeah, right, but it
was and and he got hurt and andso then you, you bring this

(59:13):
rookie quarterback in who didn'thave a lot of college starts.
Probably, if you're talkingabout long term NFL success, he
probably shouldn't have came out.
But I can't tell a nigga not tocome out.
Excuse me, I can't tellsomebody not to come out if
you're going to get draftedfourth overall.
It's hard to sell that tosomebody who's not coming from
money.
Sell that to somebody who's notcoming from money.

(59:40):
But he needed to be on a badteam that was going to grow and
build as he was growing, not ateam with veteran players.
Deforest buckner, a jt uh, evennow, uh uh.
Michael pitman jr uh uh.
What's my man on defense?
Uh uh.
Linebacker leads the league intackles every year.
Zaire Franklin Like you gotguys DeForest Buckner, you got
guys who are ready to win.

(01:00:01):
Yeah, and Anthony Richardson,with who he was as a prospect,
was not the prospect for thatteam.
So that's why I thought it wasa bad pick.
Like you can't get adevelopmental prospect for a
team that's trying to win.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I think that they're just an average team like in
general, like really, if youjust look at their outlook
they're just super average.
And I think with the idea ofUrsa even passing away now and
having his daughter being notjust the you know, controlling
owner of the team but also kindof being the GM de facto GM, at

(01:00:38):
least a little bit I don't knowit just seems like one of those
things where this team is kindof destined to be a seven-win
team again.
There's nothing special aboutthem.
They don't have the quarterbacksituation to handle.
It's going to be tough sleddingfor them.
The only silver lining is thatthey're in the division that
they're in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Stankin's a dead man walking, chris Ballard.
They're dead men walking.
Like the daughters are incontrol now.
Like they're dead men walking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
You don't think they have a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
No, I don't.
I think that they're both goingto.
I think that it's going to be aclean house all the way around.
That's why they have thequarterbacks they have.
Unless the quarterback, UnlessDaniel Jones shows what he did
the year, the Giants won aplayoff game.
No, I think that their jobs areover.
I think everybody they're goingto clean house.
They'll probably try and tradeJonathan Taylor to a team that

(01:01:35):
needs a running.
That's a running back away,like kind of how Philly really
needed Saquon.
They'll trade him away andthey're going to start fresh
next year.
That's what I think is going tohappen.
And don't let Arch Manning winthe Heisman like win the
national championship.
I know that they keep sayinghe's not going to come out.
We'll get to that later, butlike let's say that that does
happen for Texas, I don't see areason why he wouldn't come out.
And then if the Colts had thenumber one pick, I don't know.

(01:01:58):
I mean, I'm just saying yeah,the.
Giants might be up there too.
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah, no, I think that they should have already
reset.
But Steichen couldn't do thatbecause he had the job to keep
and, more importantly, the GMcan't do that because he was
there before Steichen.
So he really has to keep a job.
But yeah, I think the Coltsjust need to go ahead and blow
it up and even if you can't getyour quarterback, this is now
where you reinsert AnthonyRichardson as your guy with a

(01:02:24):
new head coach, with a new frontoffice who actually believes in
him, is going to build a teamaround it.
They're going to tie theirsuccess to him.
Like you hire as the ownership,you hire guys like, hey, if you
want this job, you have to beable to tie your success to
Anthony Richardson's success.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
For sure, and that's why they failed there.
But that's even more of areason and optimism to talk
about the next team that we gotcoming up and the least talked
about team in the NFL and maybethe least talked about number
one overall pick of all time,the Tennessee Titans, with Cam
Ward.
What do you think is going to bea ceiling for a team like this?
He looked really good inpreseason with Calvin Ridley we

(01:03:04):
know all too well about how goodCalvin Ridley really is and
Calvin Ridley came out and madethat comment saying I finally
got somebody that can throw methe ball.
I don't know we missed that inour quick three-story because
it's not that important, but hedid say that shit.
He did say that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
So, like you know, you know, five to six wins man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
That's a good season for them.
Tony Pollard, calvin Ridley.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Cam Ward Any chance at.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I mean sure he has a chance at it, even with five
wins.
He might light it up, but Idon't have any confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
We'll have our odds Shell and we'll get to discuss
that deeper on the chance of himreally winning it.
But I don't know.
I look at them as the Titansare just this team, that they
generate no interest, and it'sweird because, like, even though
Nashville is great as a city,they got this new stadium that

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they're building that's comingup as well.
I don't remember if theirs isgoing to be built by next year
or two years from now.
I know Buffalo's is next year,but I don't know if they're both
opening in the same year.
I think maybe Tennessee's istwo years away, but I saw it
when I was just out there twoyears ago that they were
starting.
So it might be next year, butthey're getting the Super Bowl
too, so it's like anyways.
My point is this when you lookat a team like the Titans,

(01:04:29):
they've never really had much tobe excited about since Eric
McNair and Eddie George, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
No, they had CJ2K.
They had some of the DerrickHenry seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
They didn't really think that those teams were
content?
No, even though there was oneseed, everybody knew that they
were fraudulent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, but they're still exciting.
If you're a fan, you're lockedin, because if you're going to
the games every week, if theFalcons were the one seed seat,
even if we didn't believe in thein the team, we're still pumped
up here in atlanta because,yeah, we're the one seat we
never had a year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
As us, as the ones who are, I didn't think we could
win I mean even the green bay,the year we know.
I thought they could have wonthat year too what but that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
that that's kind of my point.
When you're a fan and you're init, you're're processing it
differently, even if your teamhas obvious deficiencies,
because you keep winning gamesand you buy the hype.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I agree with you.
I don't agree with the Falcons'take of the team.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
I wasn't talking about a specific team.
I was saying in general If aFalcons team is a one seed, no
matter what, we're going tobelieve that in the city, we're
going to be hyped.
We're outside of the city.
The national media may say no,but hey, let's push on to the
next division.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah, Not too much there, but AFC West, of course I
guess it would be controversialto start off with anyone other
than the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I mean, I think it would be wrong.
We hadn't even mentioned.
The most important news out ofthe NFL and out of Kansas City
is that Travis Kelsey and TaylorSwift are engaged.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Even more of a reason for me to stay away from him.
And uh, fancy, didn't you drafthim number two overall last
year?

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
not last year the year before the first fall off
here nuts but the year before hewas like a top five wide
receiver.
I don't know the value, but thevalue was so great because if
you can get a top-end tight endthat produces like a wide

(01:06:40):
receiver week in and week out,you can then fill in your
receiver depth.
It just didn't work because hefell off.
The strategy still works.
If you have a tight end thatcan be a top-five wide receiver
in the NFL, it's better to getthe tight end early than it is
to get the wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
But he was yeah, because you know that you'll
never starve at that positionany week, but like at the same
time, but hey, we're not talkingabout that.
Tell that to the AtlantaFalcons for drafting Kyle Pitts
over Jamar Chase.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Well, that was stupid .
We thought that was dumb in themoment.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, all right.
Anyways, let's start with theKansas City Chiefs.
Obviously, they got their doorsblown off in the Super Bowl
this past year, Quietly went15-2.
They were 11-0.
Oddly, 15-2.
They were 11-0.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
I only 15-2.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
They were 11-0 in one score games and we got to
witness several of them becausethey're on TV every week, but
obviously you got to go to oneup close to person and I watched
it from home.
But, like, what do we make ofthis team?
Rasheed Rice, they just camedown today.
Six games Possibly.
A six-game suspension,basically, is what's looming for
him.
They do have a healthyHollywood.

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They do have Xavier Worthy, whohad the one bright spot from
the Super Bowl he had a day.
Travis Kelsey, possibly on thatlast year.
Let's get one done because youknow he's married a billionaire.
Andy, of course, is yeah, Ifeel like, even though I don't
expect him to retire after thisyear, he will be year to year

(01:08:14):
every year.
Chris Carter, I think that hewill be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Chris Carter said that Travis locked in this
offseason he didn't do all ofthe Taylor tour being around her
.
He was in Miami locked intraining.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Because he knew he was going to marry her.
Well, yeah, if he proposed twoweeks ago, he knew it's funny
because Antonio Brown, he stilltweets this stuff on Twitter but
basically he had even it's thisstolen tweet where it said
Travis Kelsey was going topropose to her if they had won

(01:08:46):
the Super Bowl, which I kind ofbelieve.
I do think that that's whatwould have happened if they had
won, but they didn't, so hedidn't have a reason to.
He waited six months later andit's just like, yeah, he did,
but he's been known that he wasgoing to marry that girl.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, Does AB still have that warrant or did he get
that resolved?
I don't know.
He still tweets off.
I don't know he still tweets.
I know, but we haven't seen himand he hasn't gone to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Because that would hit the blogs.
He went out to country, so youknow, maybe he just hasn't
returned, maybe he's on hisAndrew Tate.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I don't know.
You know the Chiefs.
They're probably going to winthe division.
I think they take a step backthis year.
I don't know if that step backreveals itself in the outcome of
the season.
I just don't think they're.
They're not going 11-0 inone-score games, correct.
I don't have a reason tobelieve that they're going to be

(01:09:41):
better than 15-2.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah of course not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
In the Super Bowl.
You know like they could be 13and four and I'm not like it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I don't be that.
I don't either.
Like, I think, 11 and six.
I can see this division andwe'll get to the rest of the
teams, but I could see thisdivision being 11 and six, 11
and six and then a 10 and 17.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Like and it being like that.
With what?
What's my lineman's name outthere?
Rashawn Slater, With himgetting hurt.
That scares me for the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Blindside in top O-lineman.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
But at the same time with Denver, if Bo you don't
have enough firepower, if Bo Nixcan replicate last year with
that defense and another year ofSean Payton, I don't want to.
I'm not picking him.
I can't pick Denver, even if Iobjectively could pick Denver
when I pick the games.
If I pick Denver and they havethe best record in this division

(01:10:39):
, you guys got to know I won'tpick Denver.
So fade like, don't take anyDenver commentary.
I give you seriously DenverClemson.
Who else do?
I just hate Sports hate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
John Payton, the Saints, cam Jordan Well, anyone
really that's a Saint?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I mean, it would be the real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Oh man, I can't say it anymore.
I mean Nicola Yoke, no, no no,no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
I've pivoted off those guys If they started to
have success as focal points inthe NBA.
I've pivoted those stances.
I needed proof of concept.
They've proven it.
But yeah, denver's the darlingof the NFL offseason.
A lot of people think thatthey're going to win a lot of
games.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I think that they have the best defense in the NFL
.
That's what I think.
I think that Bo Nix provedhimself to be I don't want to
say Drew Brees-esque, becausethat is really high praise,
especially this early.
You know what I think?
What do you think?

(01:11:52):
I think he could be likeRussell Wilson.
It's weird because obviouslythat's who they got rid of.
I think he could be likeRussell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
He's so different stylistically though.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yes, but in terms of because what Bo is?
6'1", 6'2"?
I mean, I know that he's stillon the shorter end of a
quarterback, but their style too, like young Russ Think about
how young Russ ran.
I'm like that's kind of how BoNix is.
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
No, not at all, because Russ can't throw the
ball all over the field and Russisn't nearly accurate as a
passer as russell wilson is, Imean as bo nicks.
Bo nicks is more accurate thanrussell wilson.
Bo nicks is a more timing uh,quick process and passer than
russell wilson.
Russell wilson is a backyardfootball player, which is why he
didn't work with sean payton,because payton well that, and

(01:12:46):
then just russ, not in his primeanymore, but even.
But even in his prime, the wayRussell Wilson, he likes to
throw the deep ball.
Sean Payton is more shortintermediate, using the middle
of the field, and Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Drew never had a guy that was taking the top Off the
defense Like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
But Russ doesn't work the middle of the field, and
that was the scheme clash withSean Payton, along with the
personality and the entitlementclashes, which I think Sean
Payton is more entitled thanRussell Wilson and Russell
Wilson had sustained just asmuch success in the league.
So who are you, Sean Payton, tocome in here and tell me I
can't have my parking spot?
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Well, because I make more money than you.
You know what I'm saying.
That's why I did it, but at thesame time, Well, no, sean
didn't make more money than Russ.
No, no, no, I'm saying Okay,you were saying that Sean's
saying that to Russ.
Yes, okay, my bad, I thoughtyou were saying him coming in
and trying to tell Russ whathe's going to do.
Well, yes, well, you can't,because I make more money than

(01:13:53):
you and if you cut me this lastyear, I'm going to still make
more money.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I mean, that's what ultimately happened, though
right Sean said you know what mydick's bigger than yours, and
Russ said okay, just pay me,just pay me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
and he said look, we can both polish that one Super
Bowl ring we got.
Yeah.
He said look, you want one witha franchise?
Me too.
That's the only one that theygot too.
I'm just as remembered as youare because of it and I went
back to another one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
I don't know if you know what it feels like to be in
two Super Bowls there, Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
He's like all right, you couldn Rashawn Slater thing.
It scares me.
But honestly, even though Ithink they got the best defense,
I think the Chargers are goingto be the team that finishes
second in the division, becausethey got the coaching, They've
got the quarterback, They've gotbrought back.
Keenan Allen.
Keenan Allen was not washed uplast year, that was just a
crowded wide receiver room.
And washed up last year, thatwas just a crowded wide receiver

(01:14:51):
room.
And Daniel Williams wasn't thatgreat.
Yeah, a bad OC, yeah.
So this is what I'm saying.
Even with the Rashawn Slaterthing, the Chargers drafted
Amari and they got Najee Harris.
That's an upgrade over whatthey had at running game.
Last year.
Didn't they have JK?
They had JK and Gus, they hadthe old Ravens running room and
so it should be better they got.

(01:15:13):
They upgraded running backbased on what we know.
I don't know, we'll know, we'llsee how good old mario hampton
is, but not, he's really good.
Um, and again, I herbert's inanother year of hardball system
and you bought in kenny now andthen you get year two of
Labakowski.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Yeah, and Jim I mean Jim's a good coach.
And then finally we got theRaiders.
I just think they're going tobe an interesting team.
Yeah, they're going to playspoiler all year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
They're going to be frisky, they're going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
They're going to win seven games and you're going to
know that you played against theRaiders.
Competent quarterback goodtight end.
Jacoby Myers wants out.
Ashton Gentry has to get in thestands now.
Pete Carroll and what's myman's name?
Chip Kelly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
In three years that works right.
I think that's all he's goingto have, though, Like I don't
think, Pete, how much longer doyou think Pete's going to coach?
Like, so I'm just saying likewithin.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
They're going to be frisky, more than frisky.
They're going to be competitivein three years.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
With the new coach, whoever they decide is going to
be the coach.
Like I don't think Pete's goingto be there, I think Pete does
his whole contract and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Yeah, but I'm saying I think Pete gets them there,
Like they're a good team underPete.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Pete sets them up the same way that and I know it's
not the same exact thing butsets them up the way Alex is
going to set up the Chiefs forPatrick Mahomes.
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Okay, I can agree with that as long as they get
the right quarterback behindGeno.
Yeah, he's going to build theculture, the competitiveness.
He's going to retain theveterans.
They're going to scout, they'regoing to draft well and people
will play for the Raiders andcome to Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
They will do both.
Yeah, and they'll go play forPete yeah, exactly, but that's
what I'm saying.
And Tom Brady, I know he's gotvery little stake and now he
gets to get in on the meetingsand stuff, but Tom Brady still
is going to have a presencethere, he's going to show up
with his rings and he's going tobe shaking hands with everybody
.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
I think Tom called Raj and said hey, raj, tell
these fucking owners I don'tcare about.
I'm not taking this stuff backto the meeting, I need to do my
job.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
I just want to call the games I don't care.
Why would I not want it to becompetitive?
Because then it would seem likeI was cheating when I was
playing, which I was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
No, I wasn't, Bill was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
I just shadowed my phone.
I didn't record anything.
I wasn't bill was, I just shoton my phone.
I didn't record anything.
I didn't deflate anything.
Bill, bill, bill, hires thestaff.
What do I put players play,coaches, coach management,
managers okay, what do I have to?
I have to learn a playbook.
I.
I need to meet my teammates'wives.
Like that's my job.
I need to throw at these guysin California during the summer.

(01:18:14):
Okay, stephen AP, I need tomake sure that Randy Moss, you
know, isn't fucking damagedgoods.
Excuse me, I got to we're goingto get to six.
I got to make sure that RandyMoss isn't damaged goods after
his time in Oakland.
You know what I mean.
Like, these are the things I'mworried about.
I got to make sure that AaronHernandez is locked in when he's

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in this facility.
What he does on his own timedoesn't have anything to do with
me.
I have no idea what he does onhis own time, but that was my
job as a quarterback, not balldeflating and who's recording?
I don't do that stuff.
Call Connor Stiles, ask him.
Did JJ McCarthy tell you tofilm?
No, jj McCarthy never saidanything to them.

(01:18:57):
So why do you think I did?
I went to Michigan too.
Let's move on to the AFC Northman, I think we will vote the
NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Is it the?

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
toughest division in football.
You know, have you seen thatmeme of the four dragons?
And it's like three of them.
They look like Dragon Ball Ztype dragons, and then there's
one that's got his tongue out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
The.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Browns are that team.
And it's weird because theBrowns have not only the best
defensive player in the division, but they also currently coach.
That really at least doesn'tget the credit he deserves.
I'm not saying he's a bettercoach than Mike Tomlin, but he
might be the best coach in thedivision currently, as of today,

(01:19:47):
in the resume of Mike ThomasDunmore, we know this.
He's never had a losing season.
He's got two coaches of theyears.
He has taken a situation wherethere was one year he took, like
Dorian Finney, not DorianFinney, Dorian Robinson, dtr.
Yeah man, they had like fivestarting quarterbacks a year and

(01:20:09):
they won 11 games.
He didn't ask for DeshaunWatson, no, he didn't.
I tell you what, when peoplethought Baker was done, he took
Baker to the playoffs and won aplayoff game.
He did this.
He beat Mike Tomlin in aplayoff game.
They might have the bestquarterback I mean not the best
quarterback the best coach andthe best defensive player in the

(01:20:29):
division and they're still notgoing to win five games.
So that should say a lot.
So, yes, best division.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Let's just stay here with them, yeah we'll start from
the bottom.
Shador QB3,.
When does he play?
You want to know what week?
You can just give me a roughmonth or time frame Before or
after.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
November.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
November.
So after Halloween, before orafter Thanksgiving, before
Thanksgiving, when does Joe losea job to Dylan?
After September, I think Dylanplays like two games and he just
gets pummeled because nobodylooks at Dylan Gabriel and says
NFL quarterback and he's not.

(01:21:21):
Yeah, he's taller than KylerMurray, but he doesn't look like
Kyler Murray.
Kyler Murray is trunky and he'sa superior athlete, a Heisman
winner, a number one overallpick, not a third-round pick.
So that should tell you alittle bit about his pedigree.
I don't see that in DylanGabriel.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
What did a Metta World piece say?
There was a white NBA playerthat spoke about this Metta
World piece.
Basically whenever there was awhite NBA player that spoke
about this Middle world peace,basically whenever there was a
white player Gordon Hayward, Allright, so Gordon Hayward says
this, right, Whenever theyplayed the middle world peace,
it was like hey, man, I feellike that's kind of the same way

(01:22:05):
that everybody's going to bewhen Dylan Gable gets in, like
basically, hey man, we need totee off on him, but you got to
finish the joke.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Hey man, give him the ball.
I got Bieber.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Regarding yeah, I got Bieber guarding me.
Yeah, now, I'm not saying thathonestly.
Dylan Gabriel is he 100% white?
I don't even know.
But regardless, my point is isjust, in general, what I would
think of Dylan Gabriel.
I'd be like, hey man, it'slunchtime, fellas.
This is how we make ourcontracts and get our numbers

(01:22:35):
bigger.
This is how we have morenegotiating tactics, like if I'm
Trey Henderson, I'm just likeman.
I got to go to town on theBrowns every game.
He's Hawaiian I figured he wasbut he's like white white in
hawaiian right no, both of hisparents just 100 polynesian huh

(01:22:55):
yeah, both of his parents areethnic native hawaiians.
Shout out, shout out to them um,but I played quarterback at the
university of hawaii and hismom played softball oh, nice
life, but now, either way, Ithink, when you look at them,
that's your tee-off game.
And then with a guy like Shadorobviously because of prime I

(01:23:18):
think that there are some peoplethat want to get their shit on.
They want to get him too, butat the end of the day, I feel
like there's almost like aleague-wide respect for him as
well, in a weird way.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
I think Shadur carries himself.
I think the way Shadur projectsto the media versus how he
projects to players is totallydifferent.
I don't think players have toomuch of an issue with Shadur and
how he is.
He's probably a pretty cool guy.
He's just flashy and talks shit, talks junk, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Well, he says what they all say in private.
He just says it in public.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Yeah, and as a quarterback, you usually don't
have quarterbacks who speak thatway, so it's just an extra.
And then with Deion and thebrashness and the cockiness,
people don't like that.
But I'm rooting for Shador.
I'm not going to sit here andsay they're blackballing him,
they're railroading him.
I don't know, just go play goodfootball man.

(01:24:13):
Any thoughts on what EricDickerson had to say about a
little NFL collusion with Shador?

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
I don't believe any of it.
So who all 32, like who did it?
No?

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
no, I I don't think it's an all 32 thing only the
quarterback needy guys gottogether right like if it
happened that way.
Yes, and I typically don'tbelieve these things I don't
believe it.
But then when you have thecollusion stuff that comes out
around the quarterbackguaranteed contracts that then
opens me up to believe in thatthese owners will do anything,

(01:24:55):
to just make a statement.
And here's what I think.
I don't think Eric Dickersonmade up what he said and I think
that's the most importanttakeaway from this.
I think that he was fedinformation from a reliable
source, and that source may havefed him BS, but I don't think

(01:25:15):
he was spewing.
He was intentionally spewing BS, just for the nearest.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
I don't know if you realize this.
We got like a comment.
It looks like here yeah, Iignored it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I looked at it and let it be Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Yeah, I ignored it, I looked at it and let it be Okay
.
Yeah, I wasn't very sure, butnonetheless, yeah.
Well, anyways, that's enough onthe Browns to begin with.
Let's move up the ladder.
Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
No, it should be the Chiefs.
No, it would be the Bengals,because the Pittsburgh Steelers
did make the playoffs last year.
I thought we were going inorder of what we think is going
to happen this year.
I have not done my over-undersyet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
We'll go to the Pittsburgh Steelers, because
that's who I think is going tofinish.
Third, aaron Rodgers is beingslept on, I believe.
I don't think that he's gettingenough credit.
I think that Mike Tomlin.
Now their issue is going to beArthur Smith.
But, and the fact that they dohave Najee.

(01:26:19):
I'm not saying Najee.
I know they drafted CalebJohnson out of Iowa but, like
you know, I don't know.
The running game will beparamount in how successful they
can be, because Aaron Rodgersdoes still need he needs a
running game that's going to beeffective.
You bring in DK Metcalf.
I hated the idea Pick out man,but I hated the idea of not

(01:26:44):
keeping Pickens with him, liketo me, that was like kind of
counterproductive.
But I get it too.
You don't want to have both ofthem in the locker room together
, but if there's anyone that hasshown us that they know how to
handle that type of stuff in thelocker room, it's Mike T.
You tell me, lee, when you geton Twitter and you see AB and

(01:27:05):
Le'Veon Bell, you're like man,oh, and then Big Ben.
Let's not forget what hishistory's like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
It's like he dealt with all this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yeah, no, I think that you know, they went to two
Super Bowls and won one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Yeah, I think I don't think you can have those two
guys in the same receiver room.
I think it creates too manyproblems for your quarterback
and, from the behind scenesstories that I heard about
Pickens, I'd rather dance withthe new devil.
This devil may be worse.
It may cost me a little bitmore money.

(01:27:42):
I don't think he's the worst ofthe two, but I think he's the
better player and that he's notas bad.
He's just more expensive andolder.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah right, that was really going to be the thing.
He just costs more.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
But here's what I'll say I believe the Pittsburgh
Steelers are going to make theplayoffs.
I'm not saying who's going towin that division, I just think
they're going to win theplayoffs.
Let's get to the Bengals.
The Bengals have triedsomething new.
They've played their startersin the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yeah, good call.
I wish we did the same, but wedidn't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
You know, shout out to Zach Taylor for saying you
know what my methods haven'tworked for getting the season
started off right.
I know we've got a good teamhere and we've been good every
year.
Pretty much that Joe Burrow'sbeen healthy and I mean they
were 9-8 last year, but theyjust got off to that slow start.
It just wasn't enough time.
So let's get started early.

(01:28:39):
Trey Hendrickson what's?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
going on there.
Mike Brown needs to sell theteam.
They're giving him $14 extramillion this year, though they
are.
It's weird because it's not aone-year extension, they're just
adding to this year, so I thinkthat they're going to let him
walk after this year, butthey're paying him enough to
where.
Well, let's see what we do, andthen if they win 12 games they

(01:29:03):
have the option of paying him,or they can franchise, tag and
trade him.
There's so many more options, sowhy not give him a raise for
the year?
But that is what they hadalready said.
They're giving him $14 million,so he will make $30 million
this year.
He'll be 31 after the season,so we'll see what type of
contract that yields seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I'm not mad at them not paying him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
They got all that money tied up and three guys on
the other side of the ball.
I mean they could take JoeMixon.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
That's why they traded him and he's old and your
17 and a half sacks didn't helpthe defense yeah.
But then again it also is likewell damn, if he didn't get that
.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
How bad would it have really been is the real
question If they didn't reallyhave somebody that could get
some heat back there and youjust drafted a DM Shamar Stewart
, the guy who also held out overa contract Again that's why I
say fire Mike Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
I mean Mike Brown.
Still the team that ShamarStewart stuff was just adding
new clauses that can void outcontracts, and I understand the
language and why you go withthat language, but that's not a
precedent that you've set.
Let's leave it alone.
Let's get to Baltimore.
The darlings of the division.

(01:30:19):
They're going to win thedivision.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
They're literally the Super Bowl favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
I'm going to pick them to get over the hump this
year, because I'm going to makethat pick every single year
until I'm right or the roster'sgutted.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Hey again.
Old habits die hard.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
I said it earlier, so I'll say it again I picked them
, like every year, for like thelast four years.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Old habits die hard and so, yeah, I think you know,
and rightfully so, they reallyshould be the favorite.
But like, at the same time,what did they do to truly get
better?

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
What did they add this year?
They didn't really add anything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
They're one of those few teams that didn't really add
anything and so I don't thinkthey need to add anything to get
better.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
I think their issues are game planning and execution
in the big games, which it's nota roster problem, it's a hey
John.
Get on the headset and say hey,munkin, we've ran the ball all
year, run the football, munkin.
We've ran the ball all year,run the football, munkin, run

(01:31:33):
the football.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
So I tell you what?
Because we disagree across theboard about them.
Let me ask you this whathappens if they underachieve
this season?
They make the playoffs but theyunderachieve and they lose
their first playoff game.
Is there any considerationabout getting John out?
Any?

(01:31:57):
Do you think that there's justany consideration by Baltimore
at all?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
To me.
You know me, I don't want tofire coaches who are winning, so
I would think not Now.
If you have back-to-backdisappointing seasons like hey,
we get a first-round playoffexit and then we miss the
playoffs, or the Bengals getback or Pittsburgh goes on a

(01:32:22):
crazy run, I think there's otheroutside forces that also have
to overachieve and work againstthem and work against them and
work against them to make itwork.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Well, I agree with that, but at the same time, I
guess I look at it from theperspective of this.
You know, marty Schottenheimerwent 14-2 with the Chargers one
year and they lost the playoffgame.
He got fired.
Yeah, that was stupid, and he'sbeen there a long time.

(01:32:58):
They've only been to one.
It'd be another thing if theyhad been to another.
He's only been to one.
He did win it, but he's onlybeen to one, and I think it's
starting to show the power ofwhat a super bowl can do for a
coach's legacy.
Uh, because there are a lot ofguys that hang around with just
one appearance.
I mean, it's not like they wentto multiple, they went to one,

(01:33:20):
they went to one, they won one.
Now we can look at dougpeterson on the other end of the
spectrum and he got fired kindof quickly out of philly and
then got bounced even faster inJacksonville.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
But like that one Super.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Bowl and those guys, they win, they win, they win
consistently.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
But you also have to look at the culture of the
franchises.
Baltimore not really a teamthat changes coaches regularly,
like in our lifetime.
It was what with Brian Billickinto John Harbaugh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Yeah, it was Brian Billick first, because he won
the 2000 Super Bowl with them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Then they may have had a coach in between.
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
No, no, it went straight to John.
He got fired in like 07.
I'll never forget because theRavens almost beat the
undefeated Patriots that seasonin Baltimore on a Monday night
game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Yeah.
So when you look at a franchiselike that Kyle Bowler, you look
at a franchise who they don'tmove around, like Ozzie Newsome
is still there you know he's notthe cost of the GM, but like
he's still in the building, hestill has his seat at the table.
You look at Pittsburgh Not alot of change is going on in

(01:34:34):
Pittsburgh historically.
You look at even what went onin New Orleans Mickey Loomis is
still the GM, sean Payton lefton his own because he didn't
want to rebuild down therebecause he and Mickey put him in
cap hell.
I just think it's the culture ofthe franchise and I wouldn't
move off of John unless you'revery confident in who his

(01:34:57):
replacement is going to be.
And for them I think it's sodifficult because, kind of like
Philly, it's a top-to-bottomorganization that's kind of ran
on one accord.
But Philly has way more controlover their coach than I think
Baltimore does.
So the coach has to be able tofit into that Baltimore culture
and what it is that they do,because Ravens teams have a

(01:35:20):
certain identity and it doesn'tmatter who's on the field, who's
the coach.
They still have a physicalfootball.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Yeah, that's the presence of the team.
It doesn't matter if there'sRay Lewis or Sizzle, yeah or
Avery.
Those guys don't have to bethere.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Brian Billick, offensive coach.
John Harbaugh, special teamscoach.
They're still fucking physical.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Well, I think if they underwhelm, somebody's got to
go, and maybe it'll be the damngood dog Todd Munkin, which?
I don't know why it would bebecause he's had such great
seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
But you know what that can take us into our next
spot.
Let's get Todd Munkin back home, because you know we kept Mike
Bobo.
Did I mess up your transition?

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Yep, I was about to do it.
It's okay, we're working outthe kinks, guys, we're getting
back into the group.
That's why I didn't say thatliterally.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Somebody missed practice yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Well, hey, anywho, yeah, let's get into week one of
college football.
Let me pull up the schedule.
Yeah, we've got a giant slate.
There's literally four top tenmatchups.
Excuse me, it's three top ten,but there's four top 15, I
believe.
And uh, well, I know we'll getinto them with the picks.

(01:36:41):
But, all in all, let's talkabout the dogs man, because
that's what we care about onthis show and, um, you know, sec
football is king at the end ofthe day anyways.
So that's what we're going totalk about.
When we talk about college ball, what do you see?

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
I think we should kind of put that out there.
When we're talking college ball, we're talking CFP contenders.
Sometimes we're talking Georgiafootball and we're talking the
SEC.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
That's it.
And the picks.
They'll vary, of course,because it just depends on what
the odds are and who's playingwe.
The picks can.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
They'll vary, of course, because it just depends
on what the odds are and who'splaying.
We're not watching all of thatfootball every week and now we
got we're going to be doing somelive pop-ups and stuff on
Saturdays.
We're not going to have time towatch these games and we don't
want to waste your time withbullshit analysis that we've
taken from somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Right, because this is a truthful and honest podcast
and reliable information sourceand so yeah.
But let's talk about the dogs.
Gunnar Sockton, obviouslybiggest question for the team
and I think, honestly, therunning off, like just the
rushing game in general.
You know I didn't realize this.
You know that we finished 12thin rushing in the SEC last year.

(01:37:52):
That's pretty bad for Georgia'sstandards.
I think even optically thedefense wasn't as good as it had
been.
It's not that it wasn't good,it just wasn't as good as it had
been.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
What's Kirby got?

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
to bring out this year.
That's going to make it alittle bit different in a much
more parity-ridden SEC, becausethere's seven teams in the top
25 at SEC, or eight, rather,because 18 is the top 25.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Yeah, I think I'm not worried about the defense
because we lost a lot the yearbefore it happens.
I would like to see thatrunning game get a lot better.
I don't know what we're goingto get in Gunnar Stockton.
I think we're a playoff team,but I saw something that said
don't be shocked if Georgia's8-4 next year.
I wouldn't be totally shockedbecause I don't have a great

(01:38:41):
feel for this team yet.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
It was Hudson Mason that said it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Hudson Mason.
I don't give him too much.
I mean, I know he played forthe Dawgs, but he's arguably the
worst quarterback they've hadin the last 20 years.
Maybe he just knows ass.
When he sees ass he watches onFacebook.
I don't know, he's a marketer.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Shout out to Jake Fromm for getting a job at
Allstate.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Is that what it is now?
They said it was anotherinsurance company.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Oh, it's Allstate Right.
It wasn't State Farm, which iswhat the issue was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
They're like State Farm just missed the biggest
opportunity in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
No, they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Jake wanted to keep his job, so he didn't want to
get an NIL and he did a StateFarm college football commercial
hey look, we got texas ohiostate.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Saturday big new kickoff's gonna be there.
Game day is gonna be there.
It's gonna be lee corso's lastgame is he gonna be there uh, he
can't be inside of the state,that's what the rumor is is that
really?

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
true, uh, dan Levitart talked about it, but I
just want to know how true thatis, because if he's working with
Fox and he wasn't banned priorto coming there, how can he be
banned?

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
I think there's specific people can be in
specific places when it comes tothe production piece, and I
don't think his requirementslend him the necessity to have
that access.
So because he's not required tohave it, they're not going to
give it to him right, they'rejust going to deny it, got you

(01:40:24):
you know we didn't talk aboutthat too much, but uh, I don't
care about dave portnoy I thinkhe's gonna suck he going to suck
.
He doesn't exist in my sportsintake.
He doesn't exist in my mediaintake.
I don't really care about anyproduct over there at Barstool
to include a million dollarsworth of game.

(01:40:45):
I know there are a lot ofpeople who like that show, but
instead of giving a milliondollars worth of game, I think
more people should offer someminimum wage or just a decent, a
decent living wage in the gamethat they give, Instead of just
trying to make it a million allthe time.
You know, I don't even like themillion dollars worth of game
because they would alignthemselves with Barstool.

(01:41:06):
I'm not going to lie to you,Parley Pete, I couldn't take
this to Barstool.
No, I think we have an idea ofhow we.
I couldn't take this toBarstool.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
No, I think we have an idea of how we foresee the
future of what we believeespecially backed actually with
like a bunch of cash, like whatit could really be and how we
would have it set up, but likeit wouldn't be under them.
Yeah, pretty much the ball thatwould be who we would want to be

(01:41:33):
with.
Or if Shannon does open upsomething, I can see myself
getting it.
I won't, like I'm not going tocall him a coon because he might
have watched his first episode,but I'm not going to like cone
it up and like drink Hennessyand shit like all of the puts
either.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
So you know, I don't think he I heart goes into the
catalog.
They may not, uh, you know, butpeople say things I understand

(01:42:08):
that people can clean up theiract uh yeah, I'd go over there,
but no, I couldn't go toBarstool.
I have dignity.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Yeah, Not all money is good money right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Yeah, no, but back to college football.
We got Texas, ohio State, archManning's coming out party.
He's the Heisman favorite.
People are saying he's going togo number one, but he hasn't
really started a game that'smattered and right, wrong or
indifferent.
He couldn't beat out QuinnEwers.
Now Joe Burrow couldn't beatout RIP Dwayne Haskins, and I

(01:42:53):
don't think that was a football,just like I don't think Arch
Manning not being able to beatout Quinn Ewers with a football
decision.
But yeah, man, arch the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Yeah, I think that obviously there's a lot of
expectation.
I mean, he's the Heismanfavorite this year.
Texas is certainly.
If they're not the favorite towin the national championship,
they're top three in odds onthat.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Number one team in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Look, vegas is into making money, not losing it.
So if they set these odds thisway, they believe kind of firmly
in it and of course the marketcan be dictated by, you know,
the big wigs out there.
But I look at it this way it'sa put-up or shut-up year to a
degree for Sark, because we'vetalked about Arch for four years

(01:43:41):
.
The year before he even decidedwhere he was going to go, when
they showed Nick Saban and KirbySmart at his basketball game to
him, deciding that he was goingto go to Texas, and then
everybody was like but thenQuentin Ewers had transferred
basketball game to him, decidingthat he was going to go to
Texas.
And then everybody was like butthen Quentin Evers had
transferred.
The same year they signed him.

(01:44:01):
Quentin Evers transferred fromOhio State and he was just the
number one guy and they gave hima million dollars at Ohio State
and he didn't even play.
I feel like it's been a longtime coming and I can't recall a
more hyped Division Iquarterback ever.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
I don't think there's ever been one, because he's a
Manning and he's third.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
He's got the pedigree in the blood right.
He's got the pedigree.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
He was a top quarterback in high school.
He can touch every blade of thegrass on the field, both
passing and throwing Excuse me,passing and running.
So I think there's a lot ofhype there.
But then also sucking up to theMannings, the Mannings being in
the media, the Mannings beingfootball royalty.
I think that he's getting alittle extra hype that he may

(01:44:49):
not deserve.
But not too many people want tosay it because it's so
unpopular to say.
But we have no reason tobelieve that Arch Manning is the
best quarterback in collegefootball.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Other than his win.
I don't.
I don't think he is.
I think it's Nussmeyer out ofLSU.
That's who I think is the bestquarterback.
But yeah, you want to know why.
Klubnick was much better lastyear.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
But that was his first to me, his first great
year.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Them other years weren't really good.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
He wasn't really that good them other years.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
It's funny because they're playing each other.
We'll get to that in the picks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
But you know, Dabo, let Link's little brother he
actually let him open up theoffense and they didn't rent a
Clemson offense, they rent aGarrett-Riley offense.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
And maybe that's why they beat SMU to win the ACC
last season and even had Texason the ropes for about three
quarters.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
And shout out to uh lincoln riley his five
quarterback startingquarterbacks from uh oklahoma
are starting.
Uh week one of the nfl isn'tthat crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
And he had dylan gabriel there at one point too,
didn't he?

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
uh, no, I think no, uh, that was brent venables.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
first quarterback all right, yeah, well, that was
close enough.
But yeah, you know we'll seewhat happens with Arch and you
know I'll say a little bit moreabout that once we get to the
picks.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
But you know I don't have much on college football
yet.
I don't think, I don't believein Penn State.
Well, I tell you what we can dothis.
You don't believe in Penn State.
They have all the tools.
I just got to see it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Real quick, give me a final four.
I know again you're saying youdon't know too much, but just,
even if we got something torevisit towards the end of the
year, I tell you what who winsthe Power Four conferences?
Do all four, let's say assumeall four, make it to the Final
Four and then give me a nationalchampion.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
All right.
So I think Ohio State wins theBig Ten.
Okay, I think Ohio State andPenn State at the least come out
of the Big Ten.
I think that in the SEC I thinkTexas, georgia, bama come out.
I can't give you my top four,but I'm just going to give you
my teams who I think are kind ofthe top of the team.

(01:47:26):
ACC.
I think Clemson gets out ofthere.
Don't sleep on Tech.
I'm not sleeping on Tech.
I think they're going to bescrappy.
I'm not sleeping on Tech.
I think they're going to bescrappy.
I'm not sleeping on Miami.
I don't believe in Long Neck,but Cristobal can recruit and
Carson Beck with talent.
We know what that looks likeFor sure.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
He can win games and they just had the number one
pick come out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Yeah, and the Big 12, I think it's spunky.
I think Texas and they just hadthe number one pick come out of
there.
That was in his first year.
Yeah, and the Big 12, I thinkit's spunky.
I think Texas Tech is spunkybecause they bought all those
players and I believe in KennyDillingham and the program he's
building down there.
So I like Arizona State but Idon't love the Big 12 enough.
I don't watch the Big 12 enough.
I don't consume enough Big 12media for you to care about what

(01:48:12):
I say on the Big 12.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Well, just know that they'll be on TNT this year as a
part of the swap for Kenny,Shaq, Charles and Ernie.
There's going to be some.
We got 12 minutes.
There's going to be some Big 12football going on on that
network, but I tell you what Atthe top.
At the top.
So I'll just give you my finalfour.

(01:48:35):
I think, uh, I think penn statewill be in it.
I believe that, um, I know thisone's gonna ruffle a lot of
feathers.
I really like lsu.
I think lsu's probably this isgoing to be finally the year
that, because to me, brian andwe've talked about this before
that's my guy.
He has to do it though he kindof has to do it, but he's got

(01:48:56):
the quarterback to do it.
So I really like them.
And I don't know about OhioState.
I can see Clemson, like I cansee Clemson because of the
schedule.
So Clemson, that's going to bea big game, obviously to start
the year.
But I can see clemson sinkingin there, um, because they'll be

(01:49:16):
seated correctly.
And then I want georgia to, ofcourse, be in there.
But my thought is that texas isgoing to be there because I
think archman is who we think Ithink there that he is who they
say he is.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
That's what I think okay and hey guys, we're we're
gonna bring call paul back.
We didn't do too Okay and heyguys, we're going to bring Carl
Paul back.
We didn't do too much of thatlast season.
We're going to bring Carl Paulback.
Some weeks we're trying to keepthe show to an hour and a half,
but for these introductoryshows we're hitting two hours.
So I think it's time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Yeah, let's get to it .

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Parley P's
College Football 6666.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
You know it's crazy, I miss hearing that, lee.
It's been a minute, not becausethink about it even before the
show we hadn't done picks sincefootball season, so it's been a
long time since we've actuallyeven had to do it.
So it's exciting to be backbecause, again, that tells me
it's football season.

(01:50:24):
And then they also got pumpkinspice latte as well at Starbucks
.
So, I guess it's fall.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Hey guys real quick.
So I guess it's fall hey guysreal quick and coming soon.
The six-packs and Leafs 3 willbe a sponsored segment.
More to come soon.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Absolutely, absolutely Very exciting time,
but let's get to it.
So the first game, I've got toalways throw in a game that
won't be on a lot of people'sradar, but it's just too easy to
not take, even though it's ahuge spread.
We got Missouri State at USCGuys, if you look at Lincoln
Riley's track record and thefact that they got

(01:51:03):
what's-his-face this year, thedude that was at UNLV is
actually at USC this year, thequarterback Baller alert.
What's his name?
He was going somewhere.
What's his name?
He was going somewhere.
I forgot his name already.
Point being this USC they're athome.
Lincoln Riley Guys like him andLane Kiffin like to run up

(01:51:25):
scoreboards in these first gamesand they play teams.
They will continue to try andscore.
They're not running out theclock, they're up 30.
They're throwing bomb passes.
Everybody's getting involved.
I like USC minus 35 againstMissouri State at home.
I know that sounds crazy, butthese type of games typically
are 52-0.
So I really like them to cover.

(01:51:46):
That Next kind of gets into thesame ballpark of what I was
just talking about.
You got Georgia State atMississippi.
Anyone that watched GeorgiaState football last year which I
know that there's, maybe quitea few alum that might even get
to see this.
But if you watched GeorgiaState last year, they had a hell
of a game with Vanderbilt.
Vanderbilt was actually prettyfucking good last year, If you

(01:52:06):
look at this again, lane Kiffinlikes to score points and he's
not holding back becauseespecially he's got to know now
Jackson Dart's not even there.
They've got to score somepoints.
Georgia State was actuallycapable of scoring points last
year too.
60 is really low.
I like over 60 in Georgia State.
At Ole Miss Again, ole Missshould definitely get into the

(01:52:27):
40s and I just don't see GeorgiaState not scoring twice.
So that's how we get to 60.
Next we got the biggest game ofthe week, obviously number one.
At number three, texas at OhioState.
I like Texas Again.
I like Texas.
I like Texas on the road.
So here's why Julian's sayingobviously, alabama recruit, that

(01:52:50):
initially was committing, butas soon as Nick Saban left, he
left himself.
He's getting his first start.
He played very seldomly lastyear.
This is a stacked Ohio Stateteam, but they did lose a lot of
stars.
Yes, do they still haveJeremiah Smith?
Yes, do they still have what'smy boy?
The safety that also came fromhim?

(01:53:11):
Caleb Bass, caleb Bass, yes,they've still got these guys.
Is Ryan Day still there?
Yes, but who's missing at OC?
Oh, kip Kelly's not there.
Interesting, how did theyreplace that?
I look at it this way it's atough game, but for Texas it's a
must-win game.
For Ohio State to me it's lessof a must-win.

(01:53:32):
I think for Texas they almosthave to win the game.
I told Justin this earlier.
I think they have to win thegame.
Who's your pick?
We're going to go ahead andtake Texas on the money line.
We're going to take Texas on themoney line.
Next we got Virginia Tech atSouth Carolina.
This one's actually going to bedown the street for me,
basically.
So it's not really VTechagainst South Carolina, it's

(01:53:54):
VTech against South Carolina atMercedes-Benz on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Yeah, we're going to take South Carolina minus six
and a half.
I don't see a reason why theywouldn't cover Lenore Sellers.
He's somebody that people thinkis a Heisman contender, and
they did look good last year andSouth Carolina almost snuck
into the playoffs.
So give me South Carolina.
Next.
This one's a Friday game.
We got Georgia Tech at Colorado.
I think Tech's going to thumpColorado.

(01:54:20):
Colorado really hasn't been allthat good these past few years
anyways, and you're telling methat they're putting Keaton
Assaulters in.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Yeah no thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
I watched Liberty play football last year and I
also watched Georgia Tech playquite a few times.
When he played football lastyear, I also watched Georgia
Tech play quite a few times.
I'll take Georgia Tech minusfour and a half.
I don't think that this game isactually even going to be that
close.
But give me Tech four and ahalf.
And then finally, arguably thesecond game of the week you got
LSU at Clemson.
I like LSU plus three and ahalf.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
I'm not going to take them to win the game but I do
believe that they'll cover thespread because I think one way
or another that this game comesdown to a game winning field
goal all right, so we've got.

(01:55:06):
Usc minus 35.
We got Georgia State at OleMiss over 60 yep Texas on the
money line yep.
South Carolina minus six and ahalf, uh-huh.
Georgia Tech minus four and ahalf, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
LSU plus three and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Yep, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
You like it, then I love it, and then that means
it's time for Lee Lee, lee Lee.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
Lee, lee, lee, all right.
So for least three this weekwe're gonna get on out here.
I like South Carolina minus sixand a half.
They look good.
At the end of last year theygot Lenore Sellers coming back.
He's a Heisman hopeful.
I'm optimistic to see whatthey're going to do.
I'm a homer.
Give me Georgia Tech minus fourand a half.

(01:55:46):
Colorado lost a lot.
Coach Prime hasn't been thereall season.
All season he's been dealingwith his battles.
Glad he's healthy, been dealingwith his sons.
Shout out to Shiloh.
But I like Tech.
They got something going onover there.
And lastly, give me LSU plusthree and a half.

(01:56:08):
I like LSU on the money line.
So if you're feeling realfrisky, go ahead and do that.
I like LSU on the money line.
So if you're feeling realfrisky, go ahead and do that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
But we like LSU on the money line.
That's not a bad call thoughAgain.
Garrett Nussmeyer to meprobably is the best quarterback
in college football.
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
That's who I think is the best quarterback this year.
Yep, I pretty much agree withyou.
We may give out some Heismanhopefuls at some point during
the year.
We don't do the preseasoncollege like we do the preseason
NFL.
We're pro guys over here.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we could tack that on with the NFL
over on the show and, once wedo all the prediction, award
stuff for that too we can justthrow that in as a bonus.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
Anything you want to hit these last couple of minutes
?
Obviously happy to be backAnything.
Anything you want to hit theselast couple of minutes?
Obviously happy to be backAnything.
Hey, real quick, can I have afew minutes to talk about Love
Island and Love Island reunion?

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
You know we didn't, and that's actually a perfect
way to end this, so we watched.
You're on the clock.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Yeah, so we watched Love Island this past summer.
We talked about it some on thepod, but I watched the reunion
yesterday and I was appalledwatching that reunion.
You know it's bad enough.
I watched the show Summertime.
It was slow.
It was introduced to me by ashorty who watched the show.
That's kind of how most men getinto these shows, right?

(01:57:26):
A woman in your life or aroundyou gets you into the show and
we weren't potting and weweren't potting, so it's easy to
just watch it.
So I'm watching the reunion andthe people aren't even really
beefing about the stuff thathappened on the show.
They're beefing about stuffthat happened after the show,
talking about why didn't youtell your fans not to do this?

(01:57:48):
Why did you say this on apodcast?
This and that Dog who cares?
Why do y'all care?
I understand this is like yourclaim to fame and I guess that
now we live in a world wherebeing famous is more important
than being talented and beingfamous as a byproduct of your
talent and your skill.
You know what I mean.
So now we got like these listof mid-20s early-20s people who

(01:58:11):
are famous Like the Love Islandcommunity is huge.
A lot of people that follow it.
It's all over my threadsbecause I've shared too much
stuff.
But in my day-to-day YouTubeconsumption, my podcast
consumption, my real life, loveIsland doesn't exist and I don't
like you.
People just don't matter.
And just listening to the Hooda, I didn't like how you said

(01:58:32):
this on this podcast.
Hey yo, who cares?
Grow up like y'all, just wantto like manufacture beef.
It's manufactured bullshit.
The show itself is manufacturedbs, then this community is
manufactured bs, but now y'allare manufactured famous.
No, get out the mud and be goodat something I blame Kim

(01:58:55):
Kardashian for making beingfamous for the sake of being
famous cool.
Sorry, ran over Parley, pete.
I gave you a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
I don't even need a minute.
I think that I agree with youin terms of the overall scope of
what that show represents.
It doesn't take away theattraction to the women, but I
mean, of course that's kind ofhow they keep guys hooked in and
even the women too, and justkind of the admiration aspect of
it.
But all in all I don't know ifI'll watch it next year.

(01:59:24):
I think that just gettingpulled in this year because of
Huda, because I kept seeing thatpop up, and then my niece was
like, yeah, you should watch it.
Then I was like, oh, I know,ira, I hate her, I get it now.
The reunion really showed it,All that stuff showed.
All in all it was a good watch.
Don't know if I'll tune in nextyear for something like that,
but very interesting.

(01:59:45):
Hopefully I'll run into one ofthem one day.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Hey guys, Thanks for tuning in to our pilot episode.
We'll be back next weekActually, we'll be back Sunday
with the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
AC Lee out Salutations, good people.