Curry Café: Behind the Screams – A Journey Through Horror Film History

In this episode of Curry Café, hosts Ray Gary and Rick McNamer are joined by guests Coreen McKinney and Lon Goddard to explore the rich history and personal impact of horror movies. The conversation explores classics like Plan 9 from Outer Space, Nosferatu, and Dracula, uncovering fascinating behind-the-scenes stories such as director Ed Wood’s inventive […]

Episode Transcript

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We bid you welcome.
Today, we are going to discuss, oh,

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everybody's,
favorite topic, I guess. I don't know.
Horror movies.
Every one of us has a favorite horror
movie. Every one of us has a movie
we will never see again because it was
really horrible. So we may start out today.
I don't know. It's gonna be very free
form. We'll go all over the place

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depending on what our guests wanna do. Speaking
of our guests, I'm gonna go around the
table now,
clockwise,
and everybody can introduce themselves,
sell some merch they have, or do whatever,
whatever reference works. Freeform.
Good.
Clockwise would be Yes. Sorry. You are you
are number 12 today.

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Thank you. Thank you, Ray.
I'm Corinne McKinney, and I'm a local baker
here in the community.
And,
I'm just so
surprised and pleased to be on the show
today. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you
for coming. And,
well, I shouldn't thank you till I find
out if you have anything worthwhile to say

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or not. Exactly. I'm sure you will.
We'll find that out probably pretty quickly. And
now the exalted, the one, the only,
star of,
I don't know, stage and Screen.
Recently He's also the
star of screen because he was a very
key player

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in the
film festival we just had here. I am
counteracting.
I'm a musician
of sorts.
Okay. Lon Goddard and I was in that
film,
Dezo Hoffman, Beatles photographer.
Right.
Prominent role? One of the worst horror movies
ever made.

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One of what?
Worse, you fail to understand me.
No, I don't. It's okay. We'll
get to you later, maybe.
So But before we go, we have one
other guest that nobody can see. No. No.
And she's shaking her head no. The giant
black
ant Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yes. I

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guess the movie Vem, we had talked about
that, but indeed with it. Sitting prominently, so
we can all can see it and it's
It's scary. Exclamation point.
Okay. Just had to get that in right.
Sorry. Okay. I'm sorry.
And,
yeah, if we were
on television, you could see it, but you
can't. Oh, you have to describe it. I
don't know. Maybe this show will wind up

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in Facebook and somebody's thing. I don't know.
Anyway, we would, I've been trying not to
break this down to talk about
something that makes a little sense. There's there's,
I don't know, a hundred years or so
of horror
films,
and we don't know where to begin or
where to finish. So somebody said that we
should start with what is well known by

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everybody.
Every critic agrees that this is the finest
film of any type ever made, and it
includes
several
big stars and planning and,
just a wonderful movie. And that's plan nine
from outer space.
Oh, really?

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The person who wrote the dialogue in that,
I'm sure,
had to have won some type of award.
I believe Ed Wood
did just about everything, including the dialogue.
Yeah. Oh, really?
Doctor. Gerry Breshears Everything. Doctor. Darrell Bock It's
amazing that he was able to do all
of that and still have such a fun
movie. Doctor. Gerry Breshears Yeah. He was thinking
ahead. He actually filmed
a lot of sequences

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with
the aging Bela Lugosi before we even had
the idea
to film Plan nine from Outer Space. So
we had these in the can. It was
Lugosi's last film. John Dickerson Yeah, it wasn't
beyond his last film because he died during
the making of it and they they used
I believe
it was Two weeks into the making of

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it. The director's wife finished the Lugosi. A
fellow called Tom Mason, who was about two
feet
taller
than Lugosi, who covered his face over his
nose
with a cape for the rest of the
film. Even though there was no reason to
cover his face or his nose. But
then again, there was no reason for Elvira
to walk around with her hands out like

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There was no reason for Elvira.
Yeah, that's true. Wasn't she the wife that
died?
Well, the whole concept to the idea of
aliens coming in, raising the dead to take
over the planet was a little stretchy.
You think so?
I didn't believe it.
There was a lot of stretching in the
industry. There's skeptics and everything. There's some people

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that don't believe in Bigfoot. Ed was real
good with his economics.
Like Tor Johnson, remember the big fellow whose
eyes disappeared?
He looked like a wrestler.
Yes. Well, he had a brother who was
a cop and so
his brother supplied the car, the cop car
with the slab white side.
Anytime they got into a car in the

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film, it was all black, but when it
arrived, it had a white side to it,
and that was Tor Johnson's brother's car
in the force.
That's interesting. I wonder if he got in
any trouble Tor got his name because it's
a it's a Scottish term for
a hill on the moor, on the moors,

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like a large protrusion, meaning big, and Tor
was big.
He was that. He was that. For those
of you who have never seen the film
and know what we're talking about, this was
made by what's the Ed Wood, Jr. Ed
Wood, one of the finer directors in Hollywood
at the time. He didn't have any money
to make a movie, but he wanted to
make a movie.

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A good friend of his.
The Baptist church, they financed the whole field.
That's true. That's that is true. Yeah.
And I believe that they actually christened a
few or baptized a couple of the cast
members during the procedure. Well, I didn't know
that. A good friend of his was Bela
Lugosi. And Bela Lugosi had just gotten out

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of rehab, and,
he decided to give Bela Lugosi something to
do, and he had no idea what. And
they went to this little town, and
they they filmed Bella Lugosi walking around,
coming in and out of a little house,
and, what does he say, picking flowers and
stuff and
and doing, just all kinds of things. And

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then
that was that. And they they didn't do
anything more with them. As I said earlier,
Bela Lugosi died during the filming.
So he had this footage, and he didn't
know what to do with it. And then
eventually, he came up with some other footage
here and there and got a viral involved
in it.
And

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And it was originally titled
Grave Robbers from Outer Space. Yes. But the
Baptist church disapproved of that title.
So into the script, which was written kind
of daily, there happened to be the aliens
discussing this, We will have to employ Plan
nine.
So it became Plan nine from outer space.

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Yeah. And there's there's, of course, always the
the scientist with his wife who is discovering
all sorts of things and,
noises and things going on that don't really
always get fully explained. What was that all
about? Then you have the
two pilots and some type of an airplane
that was just
incredibly constructed.

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Oh, it was. In fact, I believe
I read that they
this is how Ed was thrifty. He had
a shower curtain. He used it three different
times. One of them was the aircraft in
the back behind the pilots.
Another one was in the house of Lugosi,
and it was then the curtain to get
through to another room. And then there was
a third usage of it. So

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I would have sworn that that was filmed
in a real cockpit, the way the light
came through.
Anyway,
shows how naive and
simple I can be. Anyway, if you have
never seen it, it's on YouTube, of course.
It's called For free.
For free. For free. You can watch it
for free. In fact, you have to pay,
I think, or they pay you to see

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it, isn't that it? I think they do.
Yeah.
I think fill out the form of it.
A lot of people walking around among tombstones
that are wavering. But, yeah, the cardboard tombstones
are great and and the spaceship. I mean,
you could not find a better spaceship. We
have one that's not very similar right here
in the studio. We have some curtains hanging
up on the wall, and, you know, all

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we would need is that big guy with
the bulgy eyes to come out.
Anyway, great movie. If you wanna yeah.
Don't let the kids see it, though. It's
pretty scary, I'd say.
Well, it it it's gotta be a must
see. I mean,
it's been I think Seinfeld made it famous
again. They had a little,
one of their episodes that they had to
go to the sea plant, and I just

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go there and laugh at it and make
fun of it. It's a good movie to
do that. And if I I would imagine
people watching it back then could have looked
and said, God, I can act
because that
there was hardly any act. I got to
quote one line that's cracked me up when
I because I rewatched it here a couple
weeks ago. One line, I think it was
a police detective and it was, like, very

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dramatic.
There's been a murder, and someone's responsible.
Yes. I thought, wow. That's that's pithy. Yeah.
Anyway They all split up and then go
on a different terrain. Yeah. Look. It's great.
So there you go. Yep. Yep. That was
I I don't wanna give away any more
of it because it will ruin you watching
it. So let's just Alright. Ditch plan nine

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now. We'll go to plan 10.
Maybe wondering how the horror movie genre began
and became so popular. Way back in the
thirties,
the,
the depression was on,
and Universal Studios really,
in trouble. They were looking for something to

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to get going again with, and somebody came
up with, well, let's do
Horror movies. Horror movies. No. The movie. The
movie I lost. Well, Dracula was probably the
first No. No. No. The Quasimodo.
Oh, the hunchback. From Notre Dame. Yeah. That
was first The last track. I don't think
it was, like, billed as a horror movie,

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but it but it wasn't.
It was it was a big success, and
they decided they would maybe
continue with that and came up with the
idea of filming Dracula.
Well, let me back up a little bit.
They didn't film Dracula. There was a a
fee.
People who had the rights to Dracula did
not want to

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allow it a film to be made from
it.
So this company in Europe,
do you know the name of the people
who who did this? No. The Germans that
filmed Nosferatu. Nosferatu. That's what I'm look did
you know I don't have a director name
or so? Anyway, what they did is they
took the Dracula story
and very, very, very thinly veiled it, changed

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the name,
of the vampire to Arloff,
and was really a creepy looking dude,
and they made a silent film called Nosferanto.
Now that movie has been made
at least three times that I know of,
including that one. And
just the recent one was made about

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a year or two ago. Klaus well, Klaus
Kinski is the major remake.
And not since you brought up Nosferatu,
that thing, the original silent movie, still scares
me. Me too. That
whoever played that
horrible creature It was called the man's name
was Max Schreck. Okay. Schreck is German for

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horror. So it was Max horror. Wow. Well,
it works. Perfect. And he was That's a
scary he was so believable that during the
filming,
even some of the crew thought that he
actually was a vampire.
He looked it to me. Yeah. He was
not a very
nice looking dude, and he had these long
nails. I wouldn't call it that. I don't

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I don't know how he could eat with
those long well, because he was What was
that? The twenties?
I thought yeah. It was a silent film.
I thought he looked a bit more like
vampire undressed.
So the movie,
like I said, it it is a very
thinly veiled
Dracula,
and that's what the people who owned the

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rights to Dracula thought too, and they sued.
Oh, I didn't. And they won.
And the company that that owned the movie
was ordered to destroy all copies of it,
never show it again, and blah blah blah,
all those things that courts,
ordered that you ignore. And it turns out
there was three copies of it,
three or four copies in different collections around

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the world, so they were able to bring
it back to life. And, again,
you YouTube will come to the rescue if
you've never seen it.
It can be kinda funny in places too,
but it really is
a a a a good movie.
Then, that was remade, like I said, a
couple of times. There was there was

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was there one, like, in the fifties or
sixties or something,
I'm not sure of a third one. Oh,
you didn't
oh, you the middle one
was the one I thought was the best.
It was it was the top one. The
only one I know is Kinski in the
lead.
I don't know that. I'm not sure which
one that is. Oh, okay. If there was
the the the the recent one

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and then one before that. But, anyway, I
thought the one before that that I don't
know when it was,
was the best of the three.
And I think you might be able to
watch No Sorento. I know you can watch
No Sorento on some type of a pay
per view thing.
Pretty much the same exact movie,

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but just done with better
film and equipment. And I don't see how
that silent one could be any better, but
that's just my opinion. If you I'm right
there with you, Rick. Yeah.
Well, Lugosi's
Peak was,
Dracula, which I'm sorry? Lugosi's
Peak was Dracula, which followed in '31, I

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do believe. Yeah. In thirty in thirty one,
they they finally did get the rights to
make a a movie. And, actually, before the
movie was made,
they made a play, and the play was,
I guess, on Broadway.
And And he was on Broadway doing it.
Right. Bela Lugosi was Dracula on in the
play, and he had to fight like heck
to get

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the role in the movies. He wanted to
abuse some other people, and
I just cannot picture anybody else in that
role. I mean, he was just perfect. He
looked perfect, and It's iconic.
The the the the Hungarian
accent he had, and it was just perfect.
He didn't need much makeup either, did he?
I don't know.
Probably in some sense. Like Lon said, who

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did a good impression, by the way, and
that was his Boris.
Right. And at the same time they were
filming that, the sets were used at night
to film the Spanish version. Right. Exact same
movie, and supposedly, the Spanish version is better.
In many ways, but the Spanish Dracula doesn't
have the veritas that

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nobody has by any means. Nobody has ever
had that again.
But they did directorially
score quite a bit and their use of
the sets was superior in a lot of
ways. They
filmed the English version during the day and
the Spanish version at night. At that time,
it was expensive and not that easy

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to,
to dub a movie. So
rather than try to dub it, it was
actually more
efficient for them to just make the same
movie again at night using all the same
equipment. And it's a bit more official because
the Spanish cast had to live by night.
I never thought of that.
Very venom period. They have to quit if

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the sun came up? Adds to it. Then
they quit. Now if you've never seen that
movie,
it's really a very good movie. It's a
good story. It's very well done, very well
acted.
It has some of the key people from
the horror genre,
like,
Dwight Fry. Dwight Fry. Yes. Dwight Fry.

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The the original
the the Dracula movie wasn't very scary. I
didn't think. I saw it when I was
a kid in about 1957
when, I guess, like most places, we had
a late night show that played these
horror movies.
And I'm I think every community probably had
one of those. Yes. I know we did
in Sacramento.
The the scariest part in that

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movie is when
Dracula comes and
and and and lands,
crash lands on the on the shore. Oh,
no. He didn't crash land on that one.
He did the the boat just came in
by itself, and when
the officials go to, to look at the
ship, they find out everybody's dead. The captain
is
tied to the

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rails and all this other or the or
the wheel.
And then they hear this strange noises,
and coming up from from below deck. And
they open the,
the door, and there's Dwight Fry
with
this evil looking grin, and he's laughing like
that.

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That was the the only part in that
movie that gave me kind of a chill.
He did that several times, and you're right.
It was chilling. Yeah. And he
he was a a pretty major part of
the movie, and he was he was in
a lot of movies, very, very clever, very,
changeable, chameleon like. But anyway, throughout the movie

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he started out in the movie as the
guy that goes to Transylvania
as the realtor
to
get Dracula set up in London.
In Carfax Abbey. In Carfax Abbey, yes.
Which, he was going to do very little
repair because it reminded him of the broken
battlements
at his home in Transylvania.

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Well, you know, you talked about
the old movies that really scared I go
back to my childhood in the fifties.
One of the ones that,
got me was the original The Fly
with Vincent Price.
I mean, as a kid, I still
at the very end of that movie, that
guy that was, like, his head was the
fly and that helped me, helped me. It

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just gives me the creeps to this day.
When that movie came out, part of the
hype for the movie was they would pay
some amount of money. It wasn't a great
deal to anybody who could prove that it
couldn't possibly happen.
We gotta watch out now because we're in
color here.
What? The fly was in color. Oh, okay.
Now the lady That's okay. We don't have

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to stop with color, do we? No. Oh.
No. No. I think we decided that, in
the Do you remember the sound?
Oh.
That's
milk laced with rum, and that's what the
man who turned into the fly always asked
his lady to bring him. Oh, god.
Memories, memories.

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Yes. Oh, yeah. And then how about remakes?
Now I never did see the remake with
Jeff Goldblum. Gooey. Correct. I think. Very good.
It was good? Oh, yeah. Because I'm not
a remake fan myself
too much, But,
yeah. And a lot of these,
have been.
The ones that I had,
Invasion of the Body Snatchers. That's another one

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that kinda creeped me out. Also Gooey, the
remake. Okay. Okay.
So and I, again, didn't see the remake.
Oh, maybe I shouldn't get political, but I
will try to do this. If you remember
in that movie, people were wandering around, they
all look normal and things like that, and
then
somebody would run up into somebody
and try to talk to them, and then

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they'd scream and do something that showed that
they were one of the one of the,
the monsters or whatever they were. Am I
getting the right movie?
Not in the original. The original, they were
sort of stone faced, really. Oh, okay. Well,
maybe it was the second one then. All
they did was carry out their one task,
which was to move the pods around town
to places

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where they were safe enough to sprout.
And then new
fake humans were born, replacing the originals.
Well, in the in the last one,
didn't you walk up to somebody and and
they would be perfectly normal and then they
would do this horrible scream?
Not sure, but I'm sure since it was

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later. Anyway, so that since nobody knows about
it I happen to believe that the originals
had some
heart pounding substance to them, the fly and
the invasion of the body snatchers. Both of
those were tense and you had to hold
your breath in a lot of cases, and
there were genuine shocks,
whereas both remakes
are very much into

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very obvious in your face effects. So there's
a lot of slime and there's a lot
of goo and a lot of attacks and
things that are graphic
as opposed to suggested. You just reminded me
of some things that make me not wanna
watch that movie again just for the heck
of it.
I actually
I'm I'm not that big a fan of
of that era of movies once we started

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getting Vincent Price and all these other people
involved a whole lot and and a lot
more
professional effects.
Although in in in the second fly, it
was made a lot more sense, and they
did it better, and
the little fly hairs growing out and things
like that. But That's a lot of CGI.
Right? Yes. No. I don't think CGI was

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around
yet. CGI is fairly like k. Jurassic Park,
I think, is kind of the beginning of
the CGI. Okay. Okay.
I kinda like the old
hokey
special effects
depending,
one of our we talked about King Kong,
Ray Harryhausen. Oh, yeah. I'm generally with you
there. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I think King

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Kong is one of the best movies ever
made. Yeah. I mean, and it stands up
today, which is remarkable.
And as looking at that,
again, and I I see it all the
time,
I think about when the original
in the when they did show that in
the theaters when he's up there on stage,
King Kong, of course, and doing that grimacing,
that scared a lot of people. It might

(23:07):
still scare me a little bit. What the
heck? Scared everybody in the theater. They just
ran out. Well, it must have been after
we broke the chains. There's a there's a
a remarkable fact I found about
about King Kong and its relation to the
black scorpion, which I believe was made in
1953,
which has scorpions
invading a little town in Mexico, giant ones

(23:30):
which come out of a hole in the
ground. But what doesn't come out of a
hole in the ground? Doctor. Darrell Bock And
what is a giant? Doctor. Darrell Bock But
as they go down in their little intrepid
car on a rope down to the floor
of this cave
to find out what's going on, there is
a sequence there with spiders, which is a
stop frame, and a worm that battles a
scorpion, and these were

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scenes that were meant to be in the
crevice
when King Kong turned over the log and
the sailors fell into it, and they were
excised. So it's the only footage from Kong
by Willis O'Brien,
the original animator,
that exists, and it was used in The
Black Scorpion.
Now wasn't that considered too gory or too

(24:10):
scary to use in King Kong? I don't
know the reason for not doing it. Oh,
I read that someplace that
when the latest King Kong came out, which
and they carry that scene on way too
long, I thought, and people are falling off
when they're getting
I thought they carried the film on way
too long.
Oh, yeah. A lot of it was From
five minutes into it. Yeah. Five minutes in?

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You didn't lock it? A lot of them
were that way,
including plan nine, but you gotta watch the
whole thing. Oh. Anyway. I love the I
love the second one. I didn't well, the
third one, not the second one. The second
one was where they're exploring
oil or something, and then they come that
was dumb. I didn't like that movie at
all. I bet you didn't like Son of
Kong.
No. You know? Oh, or Mighty Joe Young.

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There was another offshoot. That's Ray Harryhaus. Uh-oh.
Love that. You gotta love Ray Harryhausen. That's
great. That's a sort of dinosaur fan as
a kid and all of that stuff. I
got to have lunch with Ray Harryhausen at
his house
in Holland Park in London.
Well, that's cool. I wrote a fan letter.
It's the only one that anyone that I
ever wrote, the only one that anyone ever
answered.
He answered it and he said, Come to

(25:15):
my house. Here's the address and, have lunch.
Wow. Somebody told me his name was in
phone book. I said, You must be kidding,
but it was
along with his address, so I wrote him
a letter. Unbelievable. And I had a couple
hours there looking at I held the little
tiny
Raquel Welch from 1,000,000 years BC.
I held Raquel Welch, let me tell you.

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That's pretty close. I'm wondering what you put
in that letter.
It was a very long letter saying how
much I really loved his animation, and I
went through everything he'd ever done. So I
guess it impressed him enough to say, come
by.
And and you're right. The his animation is
it's still special to me. And Mhmm. I
don't know. Now when he did that, wasn't

(25:56):
it I'm assuming he had little movements that
must have taken
weeks? I don't know. It's incredible.
Especially He must have talked about
that. He did. And when he had to
do tiny movements, well, for instance, in The
Black Scorpion,
there's, well, a scorpion has eight legs, but
two of them are pinchers, but there's

(26:17):
some six other legs that are all moving
at the same time. And sometimes there's more
than one scorpion on the screen, and he
has to move every one of those little
things,
a minute little
inch, less than an inch, a micro inch,
and, and then rephotograph
and then
piece them together with a plan ahead

(26:38):
is pretty messed up. I mean, I wouldn't
have the patience for that in a way.
So
Brian
Mulberry:
The
way a scorpion works kind of lends itself
to stop action, and it it it looks
very realistic.
And his work also
to keep like I said, I I do
love the guy. I love this movie, The
Seventh is it Sinbad?

(26:59):
The Seneath or is it the Medusa?
Oh, yes. So And the skeletons that I
I mean Yep. That was some Well, that's
Jason and the Argonauts.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Mhmm. King King
Kong has one of the one of the
famous movie lines, at least I think it
is, that was in the original, and then
it was in the last one that Jack
Black was in, but it wasn't in the
stupid one that was made in the seventies.

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And when King Kong is laying there dead
on the street, somebody
a cop comes up to, what's his name?
He says, well, the plane's got Robert Armstrong.
Robert Armstrong. Yeah. Robert Armstrong. He's the star.
Oh, oh, oh, okay. Yeah. I'm the original.
And the and the cop says, well, it
looks like the plane's got the beast,
got got him. And he says, oh, no.

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It wasn't the planes. It was beauty that
killed the beast. That's yep. You bet. Iconic
line. So when when they made the second
one,
that that was awful. Son of Kong, it
was not awful. Not Son of Kong. No.
The other one was Oh, the second one
of when he comes to New York City
or is in LA or
Dreadful.
Yeah. And and the and the cop says,

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I guess the plane's got
and he didn't say that line. How can
you not not say the most famous one?
Because you had to leave it in the
original, man. Yeah. Well, I'm not I'm powerful.
I'm never gonna watch that version again just
because I know that is coming in the
end. I anticipate it. Preserve it. Well, and
speak this is free form, and it's wonderful.
We just bounce back. If I have to

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go back to bad movies, back to Plan
nine, the other one that I've seen kind
of recently just because it was so hokey
and terrible but funny
was the attack of the 50 woman if
anybody's ever seen that.
Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah. Because of the
sets. The sets and the I think my
favorite scene is when she

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his
ticked off wife comes in and rips
the roof off of the bar or he's
having a dalliance with his girlfriend, whatever, and
her arm comes in there that looks like
a bad,
float in the Rose Parade or something.
But, you know,
it's what those movies were all about. The
original King Kong had kind of like a

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hokey thing. Similar to that, he reaches into
the crashes through the window and reaches in
and What is up the Empire State Building?
They had
to construct that arm too. Yeah. Is that
what you're talking about? No. When he's
he's looking for the girl and He comes
in through the window. Yeah. He looks in
through the window and he sees somebody that
looks like her and he the arm comes

(29:28):
in and clamps her down. He was crawling
up the Empire State Building. Mhmm. I think
so. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. This had
nothing to do with that. This was way
before the Empire State, but he's still looking
to go. Oh, maybe so. Okay. I don't
know. And and he he question raised. He
just saw a blonde in there and he
grabbed the blonde and scrubbed. Remember, he also
tossed the blonde into the street.
He just dropped her surreptitiously.

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Oh, yeah. The point that he was Threw
it out. Okay. And that was that was
cut from some of the original versions of
it because it was considered
too violent.
Another little fun fact, when when Faye Ray
died, I forget what year,
they blackened
the
light
turned the lights off in the Empire State

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Building as
a tribute.
I can never look at the Empire State
Building and not think of King Kong.
You know, a son of a Kong was
actually one of the models used in King
Kong. I believe it was the middle one
of three. All they did was repaint the
fur and change a little bit of
the construction of the face so they'd have

(30:30):
slightly different load. Doctor. Darrell Bock He was
a little happier, didn't he? Doctor. Darrell Bock
A little happier. But he was actually King
Kong himself.
Doctor. Darrell Bock I have
a little story to tell online. I don't
think he'd mind.
Doctor. Darrell Bock We'll find out after you
tell it. Ouch.
A while back, we were talking about it,
and
I told him that a person I was

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seeing at the time had never seen the
movie. And he says, oh, I'll I'll I'll
get lend you a copy of it. And
when he showed up, it was a copy
of the movie,
one of these two disc things, and one
of it was King Kong and the other
was Son of Kong.
And he says, you don't have to bring
it back. I have several of them.
And,

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Lan's
lady friend said, Yes, when we go into
an old store and he finds a copy
of this all by itself,
he has to bring it home so he
can
join it with the other coppers of King
Kong. He doesn't like him being alone there.
So
well, it's true. Well, he did say it
was his favorite. I'll I'll give everybody an

(31:34):
opportunity to wipe away a tear after that.
I do have several copies of it. Blu
Ray Down. Wow.
Well, and again, I can't count how many
times I've I've seen it. So
and I think god, it's hard to remember
back the first time I did was a
kid, but I remember being
fascinated with that. Because of being the dinosaur

(31:56):
kid had, you know, all the the triceratops
and brontosaurus.
Even as a kid, I thought, well, brontosauruses
aren't really supposed to be that mean, are
they? Remember, it's the one that shocked them.
They're vegetarian. Yeah.
Maybe he thought that the brontosaurus thought they
were pods or something. Yeah. We we established
that in Jurassic Park. We straightened that out
because in Jurassic Park, they are herbivores.

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That I saw the movie the first time.
We used to have a a program in
New York
that was called the million dollar movie, and
what they did was
oh, at this time, I have to explain
too that no nothing no movie was on
television unless it was at least 30 or
40 years old. I'm not exaggerating even a
little bit. And so Kang Kong came up

(32:39):
being the,
old enough to be on this show. And
the million dollar movie played the same movie
at the same time every night for five
days in a row.
So we all got to watch King Kong
for the first time and
fourth
third, fourth, and fifth time
on the million dollar movie. And the next

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day in school, especially after the first, there
was nothing else talked about in the hallway.
We
everybody could just
unbelievably
enamored with it.
And still are. Oh, yeah. Exactly.
When I'm when I'm running through the channels
to see what I want to, wanna record,
I I cannot go by that without recording

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it, even though I now have a copy
of it that Lon graciously gave me. But
it just kind of goes against it. I
can't not record that. May I interject on
behalf of the giant ant that's sitting in
all of the bay here, which we brought
in to remind us of the classic movie
Them
with the exclamation point in the title,

(33:43):
which has a lot of interesting
trivia about it, starting with the idea
that the black and white movie's title bursts
at you in color, and that's the last
bit of color in the film. Doctor. Darrell
Bock Really? Wow. I do not have seen
that movie a lot and I don't remember
that. And also, I always love to tell
people this. It's a case of Davy Crockett

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meets
Matt Dillon because Fess Parker
plays one of the inmates in a psychiatric
ward. Quick little part too. And of course,
James Arness is the FBI agent star of
the film,
so these two have dialogue together.
And what is reported is that Disney
saw the film, saw Parker, and said, that's
my Davy Crockett. I'll be darned.

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And I had a Davy Crockett hat as
a kid. Didn't we all? So did I?
Okay. Mine was cardboard. I had a Davy
I had a Davy Crockett hat as well.
Oh my gosh. I've we have a member
of the youth movement here with us today.
Ladies had a hat. We're not just a
bunch of old people here today.
I was gonna ask you, Corrie. So you
know a lot of these old,

(34:46):
hokey movies, a lot of them, but some
great ones. Yes. I actually grew up watching
them because all we had was, a VHS
at my house. So my parents would record
at my grandmother's the all the old scary
movies and sci fi
That is cool. And kung fu movies, of
course, as well. And we would watch that
every Friday night That's cool. As a family.

(35:08):
Yeah. Friday night at the movie. Friday night,
we watched a lot of silent films.
We wow. We brought up the name,
Dwight Fry a little earlier who Yeah. I
I didn't know who played in that name.
Played in
Dracula, of course, but he also played in
a lot
of those movies. He was

(35:30):
Fritz
and Frankenstein.
Is that right? Well,
he was
no, he was Fritz and,
the bride of Frankenstein, and then he occurred
again
in,
when was it, the third time?
I mean, he was summarily killed in

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in Frankenstein, and then suddenly there he was
as the hunchback for his Yes. Okay. In,
But the rates had gone up. The bride
of Frankenstein.
But then he came up again.
He kept being killed and coming back.
Classic horror movie.
In a special way, he was a princess
master. Yeah. I hear you, master.

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And he always liked to eat spiders.
Oh, my. Oh, yes. Yeah. So he had
a pretty good career playing these kind of
people in in in the movies. And then
he he ran into all of the kind
of problems these people who don't quite get
the parts they want and everything. And I
think he got involved in drugs and alcohol
and that type of thing. And he was
I think that was pretty popular back in
Hollywood.

(36:34):
On his way back He certainly died early
at Drive Fly. He was on his way
back into the business, and and he was
on a bus going home. He was he
had a big part in a real movie
coming up, and and he died in the
on the bus, so he never got to
play that.
You know, and, Lon, earlier, we were talking
about Hunchback of Notre Dame, and I never
the one with Lon Chaney

(36:54):
Yes.
Was that that was silent. Silent. Yes. Yes.
I never did see that, but I did
see the one with Charles Laughton. And I
tell you what, man, that one, I thought
that was pretty great.
It not only has Maureen O'Hara, one of
the most beautiful women Beautiful. Ever.
My I agree with you that. I yes.
She's gorgeous. Yeah. And the when she took

(37:16):
pity on that one, powerful movie to me.
Bit of a heartbreaker there. Yeah. It sure
it certainly will. And Charles Laughton could never
be accused of a bad job of acting
ever. Oh. Well no. And he got And
he was married to Elsa Lanchester, the brother
of Frankenstein. Bride of Frankenstein. I love her
too. Love her. Okay. I just wanna throw
that out there.
So speaking of, as we just did, Bride

(37:38):
of Frankenstein, in the
in the movie,
opens up
with
Shelley
Shelley
starting out to tell the story. Yeah. Right.
And then she also plays the bride of
Frankenstein. Is there a reason for that connection?
Do you know? She asked
James Whale if she could do that, and
he liked the idea.

(37:59):
She was great.
She was great. And it turned out terrific.
It was a really iconic piece of work.
Yeah. It was only about thirty seconds long
or something. They had to do it. Incredible
scream.
Yeah. And Apparently That hairdo never did become
popular, though, did it? They had to
edit a little bit of her decolletage,
I'm told. Oh. Because?

(38:21):
It was too much for the screen.
Oh. Or the people watching.
Was that
pre haze or after? It would have been
pre haze. Yeah. Yeah. What we're talking about
is It was '35.
In,
when what year did they come up with?
Not sure, but it's not 1935. Anyway, they

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were people who decided that there was too
much bad stuff in movies and that all
movies had to be approved and you couldn't
one of the things was the bad guy
could never win. He always had to be
killed or in jail at the end, couldn't
show dead bodies, couldn't show people being lots
and lots of silly things. Pre code? There
was a code. Pre code. That's really, yeah.
Yeah, the Haze code. Oh, okay. Okay.

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Wow. You know what? We're I can't believe
we're
three quarters through. I was gonna say, if
y'all out there have a favorite movie or
wanna have a question or comment, 5416614098.
And,
speaking of Frankenstein, let me jump up ahead
even though it a newer movie but in
black and white. I thought one of the
funniest movies ever, Young Frankenstein. Oh my god.

(39:27):
Or Frankenstein
Steen as Gene Wilder.
Another one I've watched a 100 times. And
Crack Up, I Know What's Coming,
but and the quotes,
great in the hawkers,
roll, roll, roll in the hay,
and and my favorite, the dance with I
can't remember the actor's name doing the putting

(39:49):
on the ridge, that whole thing. It's just
a brilliant movie.
Put Back the Candle. Okay. All of that.
We we talked about that. Stay close to
the candles, the kiss. Great, great movie. And
I love the fact how they did it
in black and white and it just replicated
watching it Yeah. Like it was back in
the The hermit sequence,
the original hermit sequence with O. P. Edgy

(40:11):
in the son in the bride of Frankenstein.
Now Gene Hackman got to take over that
role and was fantastically
funny. He was.
He was. He got the whole yeah. That
was just a great point. That was the
bride of Frankenstein. That was the
In young Frankenstein.
In young Frankenstein. Yeah. Jean Hackett is not
the play the Hermann. Yeah.

(40:32):
I was just gonna make
well, what was it gonna Cappuccino
or something at the very end. Anyway,
gazpacho.
Yes. Our sound man, mister Michael came in
with that. Thank you. I played that hermit
in Bride of Frankenstein,
as my Halloween costume last year. Alright. You

(40:53):
got do you have pics? I know we
can't show them on the air here. I
don't think I have any pics. That is
beautiful.
Yes. Definitely. It was very fun. Nobody recognized
me, which was the greatest part.
That's a true actress.
Very. And Halloween is kind of around the
corner these days. Right around the corner. I'll
be darned. And the Brookings haunted house is
coming out pretty soon as well. Okay. And

(41:15):
we just just learned, before the show started
that
Rocky Horror Picture Show is gonna be playing
in the Redwoods on
on And I'm embarrassed to admit I've never
seen that. Oh, you have to go. Be
flogged. I saw it live in London.
I saw it live in London with original
cast. Oh, really? Good. Wow. Yeah. That's why

(41:37):
they couldn't care. Much for it. Oh, really?
Not really. Okay.
Okay. Well, I'll I have the That's right.
Picture show comes up. Definitely try it at
least once. I will. I will. It's like
watching no. I was gonna compare it to
plan nine. No. Never mind.
Not it. Just learned this morning in doing
some prep for the show that did, but
we actually bombed when it first came out.

(41:58):
And then
when it caught on, it turned out to
be the one of the longest continuing
movies ever. It's a cult movie now. Yeah.
Oh, let's be honest. Cult following. I'm sure
it's gonna catch up with me eventually.
Okay.
You know, and
we're talking a lot of old movies, horror,
sci fi, whatever.
There's some newer ones that I kind of

(42:20):
liked in color and not black and white,
but
the Andromeda Strain, does anybody remember that? Yep.
I've seen it. I thought that had a
pretty good little storyline. Going into pure sci
fi now. Okay. Yeah. Mhmm. Right.
Soylent Green? I know Charles Edward g Robinson
was the last film. And one of my
favorite actors right there. I I watched that

(42:42):
guy in almost any, Edward g Robinson.
But He died in the film and then
after.
That's right. Shortly thereafter. Had kind of an
unusual role in the movie Yeah. Unlike his
roles would have been. He chose suicide in
the film. Is that right? Right.
Watching the beautiful scenery
go up is a lovely way to go.
Yeah. Yeah. Up here, we could just do

(43:03):
it out
on the beaches. But there you had to
be on TV, I guess, wherever that is.
Pretty creepy movie, though. Yeah. It was. Charlton
Heston. Yeah.
And let's see. Gosh. I had all kinds
of others
written down
back to
because of course, now I can't find my

(43:25):
the notes that I was looking for. Go
ahead. Go ahead, Ray. Do you have any
favorite Lon Chaney movies?
Do I? Yeah.
Son of Dracula, I think, is pretty good.
The Wolfman is the best thing he ever
did, I do believe.
That's true. He wrote it all in the
wolf man.
Oh, you mean you mean Chaney senior? Yeah.
Not really because he was

(43:47):
more or less a silent star. Mostly, yeah.
But even at that, he was just incredible.
But he was the man with a thousand
faces, so we have to give him all
that credit.
Lon Chaney Jr. Was a bit of
a nonstarter.
It was
not very animated,
but given a role like The Wolf Man,
powerful piece of work with makeup, and Maria

(44:09):
Uspenskaya said even with the word of the
moon at night and all this stuff, it
was just with the fog
and the terrific makeup, Jack Pierce again,
it's an outstanding piece of work, the original
Wolfman.
Now are we talking Lon Chaney Junior as
he transitioned
to The Wolfman?
Transitioned to? To The Wolfman. I I I

(44:30):
was thinking I think it's in Abbott and
Costello Meet Frankenstein
where he was playing that. Too. In that
too. But that that transition was for for
that time, I thought it worked pretty well.
I thought showing him, you know Yeah.
Growing the fur and the claws and all
of that. But, of course, that that's the
comedy aspect of it. In The Wolf Man,
it wasn't funny. It wasn't comedy. I don't
know. Okay. And you know what I and

(44:50):
I did not see it. And also, Bela
Lugosi was in that as the
as the son of Maria Ouspenskaya, the Gypsy.
Bela, was that? Yeah. He was in there.
He he was called Bela too. Bela, yeah.
In the film. The old gypsy woman, she
was a classic. Maria Ouspaterra was eight. She
was something else. Yes.
I'm trying to I'm trying to remember the
saying then. Even when the moon is full

(45:13):
and bright, you must pull into a wolf
and when
the blah blah like that of some sort.
A man who is pure in the earth
and says his prayers
by night
can become a wolf when the wolf bane
blooms. And the moon is full and bright.
Yes.
The the American

(45:33):
I'm mentally working on my Hungarian
accent, so I can do it like Well,
you can stop. But when I get to
it, I'll get to it. Let them know
what it is. It comes around again on
the guitar. Yeah.
Speaking of the creepy about the were,
well, werewolf, was American Werewolf in London?
Splendid.
I thought that was good, especially when they
went into the slaughtered lamb and that people

(45:56):
were just talking
kinda creepy, and you could hear the howling.
And that scene where they get caught by
the werewolf was pretty brutal. And it was
outright black comedy as well as being bloody
Goosebop was great about it. Yes. I I
love that black dark humor. Racing right now
just thinking about it. You so you're familiar
with that movie. Yeah. Yes.
Yeah. It was very good. The slaughtered lamb.

(46:17):
I mean, a pub called the slaughtered lamb.
Hello?
Yeah. Then there's the It would be prancing
pony or anything like No.
No. That was perfect. Yeah. That's a good
movie. There was the Things We Do at
Night, I think was the name of it,
where these
vampires and various monsters live in this house.
What We Do in the Shadows? What We
Do in the Shadows. That's it. Yeah. And

(46:39):
the one scene I remember is they're
they're they're walking down the street, and here
come a group of of, vampires. Not vampires.
Werewolves.
And they're all
kinda
acting acting like gangs and
and taunting each other. Oh, these are the

(46:59):
mer wolf guys. And it's like two
two gangs meeting each other. Two rivals. Okay.
Yeah. Can I interject with something? I think
it's got to be in the program. Oh,
please. Has anyone heard This is a this
is a well planned program with a Has
anyone heard of dialogue, and I'm not so
sure you can just burst in with but
go ahead. Since it's you Has anyone heard

(47:21):
of the Wilhelm scream? Yes. I have not.
I've heard of the Wilhelm scream. I can
recognize it. You can? Okay. This is a
scream that apparently was done by Sheb Wooley,
who was a singer and an actor
very early in a Western,
which,
I forget the title of,
but the scream was

(47:43):
with somebody being killed or hurt or whatever
by an arrow or a crocodile or something,
and then it was put into the library.
And in another western that came up, it
was then taken out and used because it
was easier than having somebody come in and
put a scream dialogue on it. And they
put it into the library, and it was
Private Wilhelm, a cavalryman,

(48:04):
who was killed by an arrow went,
and so it became the Wilhelm scream. And
it's now in 433
movies Yes. Including
them with the giant ants. Awesome. They still
use it to this day. Yep. To this
day, it's still in use. Is it credited?
Well, I don't think so. It's what they
did is they decided it was like a

(48:24):
little hors d'oeuvre that they would inject because
the film industry got a kick out of
it.
Well, that okay. That brings up bouncing around
freeform
side side effects,
sound effects.
I think of
I think of Psycho Oh, good. And the
stabbing
scene
Yes. That, I think they were

(48:45):
using
somebody
into watermelons
or something. Does anybody remember that or hear
that? When Janet Lee was getting stabbed by
Anthony Perkins. That's the sound effect? I think
so. Oh. I think so.
Juicy.
Well, it
it worked in the film. That was pretty
Yeah. It did. Pretty scary.
Oh, terrifying.

(49:06):
Yeah. Okay. I believe Hitchcock said he filmed
that in black and white because the shower
scene would have been just too much in
color.
It's almost too much in black and white.
Most chance. I would agree. I think it's
still very watchable movie, I think. Lucky for
Janet, there was a stand in in all
those,
situations that were a bit bawdy.
Oh, okay.

(49:26):
It's one of those movies that's kinda creepy.
I don't ever wanna watch it again too.
Oh, no. I I well, it depends. If
you like getting creeped out, sometimes I do,
but sometimes I don't. But that one, that's
a very watchable,
great plot. And, oh, God, one of my
other favorite character actors,
Martin Balsam. Oh, yes, absolutely. That guy is
pretty good, man. When he goes backwards down

(49:48):
the stairs as a cute piece of cinematography.
Yeah. And Anthony Perkins, little meek, mild Anthony
Perkins turns into a pretty good monster.
Martin Balsam is also in my other favorite
film of all time besides King Kong,
and it's outside this genre, but it's called
A Thousand Clowns.
Martin Balsam won an Oscar for

(50:09):
the best supporting Oscar in that film. Okay.
You've gotta see it. It's called A Thousand
Clowns, folks. Okay. Okay. I'm writing that on
my list. I'm writing it down on my
extensive notes right now.
So I assume it's about a clown.
No. It's not. It's not? Okay. It's just
a line that comes up. It's from a
play. It just happens to be spoken.

(50:31):
It's a circus thing. Do you remember the
circus kid? You know, the little thing opens
up in the middle of the ring and
a thousand clowns come out, and that's just
a line in it. If it was a
lower number, it could have been Congress.
Race going politically. Yeah. You know, so you
love there, buddy. I'll get my
political digs in here.
So before we run out of too much
time here, back to the hokiness

(50:52):
ones that I have written. Even though as
a kid, I I love this stuff. Godzilla,
Rodan
from the Godzilla was pretty neat. Rodan was
rather
inept, I think. But Rodan was a movie
that I guess I was about. The Japanese
held court for a while there
with those films. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They
really did.

(51:13):
And the other weird one was way out
there was called Mothra.
Another one of theirs. It was the two
little
ladies that were sick. I never got while
that was going on. But Another one of
theirs. But
a lot of big rubberized things that you
could just move around, you know. When I
was a kid, Rodin was being hyped unbelievably
on television. And if you

(51:35):
watched any of, you know, Roy Rogers or
any of those shows, you had to sit
through a bunch of commercials about Rodin. So
I was at the movie theater the day
it opened with half of the
teenagers I knew. Oh, half of teenagers on
Long Island, I think.
And we were so disappointed. It was so
awful. And
the the the fun part of it, though,

(51:55):
was all the little toy tanks
and
and trucks and the army that was going
out to get them. But later on, you
were able to watch things like The Giant
Gila Monster, The Killer Shrews,
and great films like that. Yes. Great films
like that. Now, one of the interesting things
about Rodin, in one part they are bringing

(52:17):
a casualty in on a gurney through the
something or other,
and the and the casualty had an obvious
erection.
We we all saw that as kids and
thought it was fun. That one, I don't
recall.
You don't? Well,
you know, in that instance, it well, not
really. I it's not mentioned. There's not anything
about it that just didn't And he goes
by and there's this tent right in the

(52:38):
middle of the damn
thing.
And and another one that is
Hoki now loved it as a kid in
color, but
Journey to the Center of the Earth. Oh,
fabulous. I love it. It's an opera.
It's wonderful.
Love it. Well, I Really?
I'm into it big time. I mean, some
great sets. You can ignore Pat Boone, but

(52:59):
it's some great sets.
I was gonna say you've had Pat Boone.
You love him. But,
James Mason.
James Mason. Always
reliable. Good in yeah. In what what he
does. Always reliable. While we're talking about Japanese
horror movies, the original I believe it was
the original Godzilla,

(53:19):
was actually a pretty good movie. It was
done,
if I watched the the Japanese version of
it. I'm a little rusty on my Japanese,
but I was able to keep up with
it. A little?
It's
really a serious movie and it's
kinda okay,
unlike all the others after that. Well, didn't
they? I do believe they
added all the Raymond Burr scenes

(53:42):
into it afterwards. They weren't in the original
draft menu. I was gonna mention that. Right.
In order to Americanize it. I don't recall,
being in the version of it. Raymond Burr
Perry Mason was the star star of Godzilla
as shown over here. That's correct. Of the
original one? Mhmm. Well, like
like Lon said, I think they threw him
in later and make it palatable, but they

(54:03):
added scenes in. Yeah. I don't remember seeing
him in the movie. I
Saturday Night Live did a great bit for
kind of a takeoff on that when they
did
the,
how the the mouths moved,
when Japanese, but
they would say if you remember that scene,
that's quite a while back. Was it that
a sync? Oh, god. It has to be.

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One little I opened his mouth and, well,
I understand it happened last year, that kind
of a thing.
It is. You know, these are lasers are
very big.
Wow. Okay. Well, we're down to five less
than five minutes here,
on any more
the mummy movies.
Mummies?
Yeah. The first the first mummy movie with

(54:45):
Let me oh, go ahead. Boris Karloff, I
thought was was pretty And then they wrote
Terrace out, who was the mummy,
limping along,
one game leg and for some reason or
another, he had one And an arm didn't
work. One arm that didn't work, and
he caught able-bodied people who were running away
because they would He never fell behind. They

(55:06):
they, I don't know, they ran away backwards
or they just stopped and screamed and let
them
he walked through walls. He did all sorts
of wonderful things. And remember this in Frankenstein
meets the wolf man where Bela Lugosi
walks around like a giant two by four
with his hands sticking out straight, bumping into
everything,
that
actually in the original cut, he was blinded,

(55:27):
but then they
took all of his dialogue away, didn't explain
that he was blinded, and so he looked
like a twat running through the whole film.
Yeah. There was interesting
fly by night things that were done in
those days.
But I really liked I could never understand
why people,
when when the mummy was chasing them, just

(55:49):
didn't
turn around and run. They had to run
or or they either run backwards or run
into something that they were bound to get
caught, they couldn't possibly get away.
But I I love those movies when he
would be,
what's his name? I'd have to take the
10 of leaves and put it in the
boiling water and then tell him what needed
to be done and all that. Well, no

(56:09):
one can escape the mummy walk. No.
No. They can't.
For you're frozen.
Yes.
Made me wonder why why to be a
cop, you had to have physical fitness training
because
you could just walk around like that and
catch all the bad guys.
Eventually, they were gonna stop, turn around, and
scream. You'd probably also have to dress up

(56:31):
like the mummy,
and I don't think the cops wanna do
that. Oh, I thought that would have been
kind of fun. So that's a wrap.
Well, it would be either bad. I won't
say that
that some cases, we'd be better off with
the mummy than
me. Awesome. But that's another story.
Well, and

(56:51):
and speaking of a wrap, we have to
start thinking about wrapping this up. You gotta
come on this list.
Already. Anybody else,
last second,
horror movie sci fi stuff?
Well, I just like to say everybody watch
King Kong 12 times in a row. Just
do that and watch the Bride of Frankenstein
every time you can. Yes.

(57:13):
And Pete. It's a little out of out
of out of
place here, but
watch the first Tarzan every chance you get.
Oh, yes. And there were some favorite scenes
in that, in that that were pre code
evidently. The swimming scene. The swimming scene and
then the other scene where she Was that
an Olympic swimmer? He was. Well, he was.
He was. But she wasn't. That was a

(57:33):
body double that that did the nude swimming
scene. Yeah. You're not telling me those alligators
he fought were were not real. Of course,
they were. Proper guy.
I made him call 12 of them. My
favorite part of the movie And the lions.
This is the whole group, the the porters
or everybody there
going along this this very thin ledge on
the side of the mountain that

(57:55):
seems there must be a lot of those
in Africa because every African movie has got
one of those where they gotta Of course.
Work along.
Anyway, one of the porters falls,
and you go, ah.
That's the Wilhelm scream.
And and one of the one of the
people from the group's what was in that
pack?

(58:17):
Well, gee.
We're out of bacon.
Uh-oh. By the sound of that music, Kopi's
were down to three second slip. Out of
time. Thank you, Kareem and Lon
and our sound man, mister Michael,
kicking cakes. And, of course, Ray, the famous
radio personality. Hey, man. You all, thank Tommy
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