December 23, 2025 • 59 mins
In this episode of Curry Café, hosts Rick McNamer and Ray Gary talk with Gabriele Whyard about the transformative impact of epigenetics and sound healing on health. Gabriele shares her journey into functional health, highlighting how ancestral trauma, environmental factors, and even prenatal stress can alter gene expression and affect well-being across generations. She advocates for a holistic approach that addresses mind, body, and spirit, emphasizing natural therapies. Gabriele encourages listeners to seek root causes of health issues for more effective healing.
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(00:04):
Well, hello again, KCIW
listeners, and welcome to Curry Cafe.
I'm volunteer Rick McNamer.
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Ray Gary, and I put together a panel
of guests to discuss various topics of interest
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(00:25):
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Again, that's (541)
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Now before I turn it over to our
famous radio personality,
just wanted to today is, happy winter solstice
day.
So from now on, we're gonna enjoy maybe
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a little more light each day rather than
plunge into darkness.
Few seconds at first and then up to
three minutes by hopefully January into February.
And, also,
midst of holiday season,
just like to wish everybody Merry Christmas,
happy Hanukkah,
happy Kwanzaa,
happy New Year.
Let's hope 2026
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will get brighter as the days get brighter.
There we go, Ray. Alrighty. It's all yours.
You're happy to you didn't
acknowledge the
people who don't
acknowledge any happy.
Everyone never mind. Everybody.
Oh, what what did sign didn't sign Phil
have a a Festivus. Festivus. There you go.
Okay. Festivus for the rest of us. There
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you go. Okay. Being the twenty first, that
means this is the shortest day of the
year. I woke up this morning all happy
to realize that starting tomorrow, my electric bill
will be going down. There you go. Let's
see. Need for lights. Good news. Yes.
Okay. I'll turn the microphone over now to
our guest who will introduce herself and tell
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us what it is she wants to talk
about today.
Hi. My name is Gabrielle Wyatt, and I
am,
somewhat new to the community. I've been here
about two years.
I came from Virginia
where I, own and operate substance use mental
health medical practices.
Being in recovery myself for about twenty three
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years, I've studied
a lot of things of what makes us
tick, you know, how our minds work or
maybe rather not work all the time.
And, you know, the, you know, the struggles
that I've had, you know, at even at
62 years of age and and going through
life, you know, are I've learned something about
what's called epigenetics.
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And that's gonna be what we're gonna talk
about today is,
epigenetics.
But before
we jump into that and more historical background,
before we get into all of that,
I have, over the years, become a
sound healer,
and I brought a couple of sound bowls
with me. And
what we're gonna do now is just kinda
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clear the space,
get energetically,
you know, clear our aura and,
and
welcome
the winter solstice as well as Awesome. The
new beginning that happens as of today. You
know, everything comes back new and fresh,
and so that's how we're gonna start. So
first thing you're gonna hear is,
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this is,
liquid sage. We'll spray this around a little
bit. This clears Wonderful. Clears our space,
completely.
And then
I would like for everybody just, if you
are sitting down, just take a deep breath
right now
and just go
and exhale.
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Take another deep breath,
and,
and another exhale,
and a third deep breath.
And now, we're going to welcome our bowl.
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And another deep breath.
Okay.
We have now sufficiently cleared our space.
And for those of you who may or
may not be familiar with sound healing, but
frequencies in and sound have been for for
around for ages.
Our old church bells that we had,
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used to vibrate at four twenty hertz, which
is the four twenty hertz is where we
are in our best
space and can receive,
input from the universe and really grow and
expand.
And so,
that's,
one of the frequencies that we really like
to step into.
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But all of sound frequencies, we're all frequency,
and when we absorb frequencies,
healing occurs in the body somatically.
So for those of you who have maybe
never had that experience,
check out any sound healer here locally as
well as myself and and get a sound
healing session in. Well, that was
wonderful and what what a beautiful sound, but
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tell us a little bit about the bowls.
These aren't just,
these are special bowls that you have. Right.
So, well,
I I like several different, sources for my
bowls, but the main source I like for
my brass bowls is a a store called
the Om store. And the Om store,
these bowls actually come from Nepal. They're handcrafted,
hand hammered, handmade,
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and each bowl
is one of its kind. There are no
two alike. Although, on the frequency spectrum, they
are. But in terms of the engraving that
you see, it's not.
So it can be both beautiful and and
they are beautiful. Gorgeous. Yes.
This was actually my very first bowl that
I ever got,
years ago. And I was in West Virginia
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at the time, of all places, and I
picked it up in this place where this
gentleman came had a store, and he was
from Nepal.
And I was at Gold Beach. I took
this with me. You know, I'd like to
go take these out in the in the
woods and whatever. But I actually dropped it,
and it broke a little bit. Oh. But
it still works. So this has more this
particular bowl has even more Meaning. Of a
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connection. Yeah. And then I have these symbols
in that you see. And these are actually
purchased right here in, Brookings, Oregon from a
person that, sells these connections. What do those
symbols remind you of?
Symbols.
Well, our favorite movie here that we love
to talk about is Plan nine from Outer
Spoke. Oh, so right. And that has flying
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saucers, god. I think that's Flying saucers. I
can get you you can say that. Yeah.
Oh, well, that's good.
I I had a sound session actually yesterday
and,
I was,
you know, at the at the pickleball
Cascadia pickleball, and Christine
gave,
a sound session. I hope I remember the
name correctly. I'm sorry. Sometimes horrible names.
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But, it was my first one with with
this teacher,
and it was just amazing. I literally went
into a trance. And and and that's kind
of what can happen to you when you
are
in the in the space. You literally could
lose yourself. I literally, for a minute, didn't
know where I was. So, like, where am
I? But and I pulled myself out of
it, and I kinda shouldn't have because that
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is where, again, the healing occurs when you
can go into that trance like space.
And people talk about those experiences, which which
are very healing and very amazing. So that
was Right. Very cool. Yes. And another visual,
since we're on radio, that the bowls that
you have I I would say roughly soup
bowl size. Mhmm. But you do set you
have
very large bowls. Correct. I have I have
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the the the chakra set. I have larger
bowls.
I'm eyeing a football, which is definitely, like,
20 I think it's even bigger than that
20 inches, maybe even longer. But larger. They
can get quite large depending on Yeah. You
know, and then the sound changes. You know?
It's just very deep or it could be
you know, the smaller ones tend to be
higher on octave and the the Yeah. The
other ones tend to be lower. So that's
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kinda where you, you know, where you can
where where they fall different on the on
the spectrum. But, yeah, I have all sorts
of equipment, actually. The singing bowls and the
thimbles and then also,
things that make rain sounds.
Just just a whole bunch. And that's just
a small I know it's small part of
your Mhmm. Ice I'll call it a business.
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But,
so and how many bowls do you have?
Oh, gosh.
Probably, if I had to count, maybe 20
or 30. Just on the bowl side, I
also have a gong.
And I'm always adding. I just bought a
drone flute, but I can't quite play it
yet. I have to learn how to play
it. It would be not so good if
somebody heard it right now.
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But it really you know, it's they're they
only have, four holes. The the I mean,
the drone flutes are a little different. And
so you don't really have to have musical
talent to play it, but I still want
it to at least sound good. I have
to practice a little bit more on that.
So So, again, that's we're talking sound healing
again, just a a small part of what
you do. Mhmm. That's a very small part
part of what I do. Well, actually, it's
not so much a small part. It's a
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part of what I do. So Yeah. What
I what what I've trained myself in over
the last few years
is, in the in the vein of healing
myself is the sound healing, psychedelic facilitation.
Currently, I offer, you know, setting the intention
and also doing the integration piece on the
back end. And the other thing I I
do is, work with gut microbiome. If somebody
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works with a functional health professional, gets those
lab works done, and, needs to be guided
through how to implement
the dietary,
suggestions,
then I come in as a coach to
help people do that. And I myself
practice functional health and functional medicine, you know,
for my own self gut microbiome because we
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are a system, and it's all connected. What
what you know? And that's what medic a
lot of times in medicine, or at least
previously, more so now, we're seeing a shift.
We're not looked at as a as a
entire system. It's always they're picking apart. Oh,
you're you have this ailment. We're gonna treat
this ailment. We're gonna go here. We're gonna
go here. But what we fail to do
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is actually treat the whole body, and there's
more to it. It's the mind. It's the
body. It's the soul. It's everything. Right? Body,
spirit. Mind, body, spirit. And,
our how we are affected mentally. I I
would say this. We we live in our
heads. Right? I think all of us would
agree that most of the time, we sit
here, we think, and we we react.
We really live in our heads. So how
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do we you know and that's where depression
comes, come whether you're happy or you're sad.
So then how do you,
affect that in a positive manner,
you know, when
when we're constantly drawn into,
into these vortexes of life. Right? So
and then making the connection back into
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our past
where things originate,
really. You know? Which is the kind of
the core we talk about epigenetics.
Is that right? Correct. Yeah. So the epigenetics.
So, you know, just again, as as I
embarked on my own healing, about twenty three
years in recovery, and then twenty years the
last twenty years, I've I've worked in the
medical space, owned and operated this medical practice,
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and I've seen a lot of suffering. I
interviewed a lot of people. I noticed that
everybody shares common traumas
and seems to also have the same outcome,
you know, when it comes to addiction and
so on and so forth. And then
in early in my recovery, I was saying,
you know, there's a cause and effect that
I didn't just wake up one day and
wanted to,
you know, ingest large amounts of substance.
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You know, that was never the go I
mean, that's not how I was raised. That's
not what I wanted in life, but yet,
you know, I ended up there. Yeah. And
then,
you know, I ended up
cleaning myself up, basically, you know, decided that
I didn't wanna participate in that lifestyle. And
it it wasn't that I was in a
crazy scene or anything. It was just it
was eating at me.
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And as
I did that and started to go to
meetings, this, that, and the other, and there
was always this, you know, you did this
wrong and and and and we kinda beat
ourselves up. And I said, well, there has
to be a cause and effect. What was
the cause? Well, nobody could really answer that.
So years of therapy,
all the things that I was looking into
never really gave me the answer. I was
still not better. As a matter of fact,
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things got worse in some sense. Mhmm. My
ADHD became more progressive,
and,
you know, I just didn't understand. I kinda
got lost. And then last
year, it was it was pretty bad. I
actually didn't, of course, at some point, didn't
necessarily wanna be here. Right? I was like,
okay. Well, what what what is all this?
And I started to really, look into epigenetics
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and the links to epigenetics by reading several
books. And, I came across the first book,
which was
In the Realm of Hungry Ghost by doctor
Gabor Mate.
And that was an eye opener for me.
It was the first book I read that
mentioned the word epigenetics, which I had never
heard before
at the time.
And, you know, what it really is, epigenetics
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explains how trauma, such as stress, trauma environment,
substance use, and how the genes actually express
themselves. You know, we have
DNA and then we have RNA.
And our DNA doesn't really change, but our
RNA and how
our genes express themselves can change by outside
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influences
or even genetic
or even historical influences from our ancestors, you
know, generational
things that can happen that that you don't
even know happened. You know, something happened to
your grandmother,
and then it actually affects you in this
lifetime. How would you ever know that? Those
links were never made, at least not when
I was in therapy. Nobody's really experienced it.
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I I'm gonna jump a little bit here.
But is that kind of equal I'm thinking
Darwin I believe you and I have talked
about it a little bit before. Did you
know, how,
how
you change because of your ancestors or you
evolve, I guess, but also maybe carry private,
previous trauma. Mhmm.
Exactly. Yeah. So there's there are a couple
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of, you know,
I mean, ex examples, I should say. And
one particular one that, I wanna recall this
is and by the way, I know I
told you guys a story before, and I
think I was a little bit incorrect in
the actual sequence, but here's what actually happened.
Okay. So this 19 year year old, went
to the came to the doctor and had
he was, just, you know, had insomnia, couldn't
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sleep, and just couldn't understand why he couldn't
sleep, had gone to different therapists, and, you
know, I had done all the tests and
got on some antidepressants, but really nothing worked.
And then he came to this therapist, and
at this point, he's 20,
and was really at his wits' end, couldn't
quite understand what happened
and why he couldn't sleep.
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And so he,
described, you know, that he was you know,
he one day, you know, he's 19 years
old. One day, he wakes up in the
middle of the night at 03:30 in the
morning, and he was shivering cold and could
never go back to sleep.
And this was the permeate every night and
thereafter, he had that same thing. We'd wake
up at 03:30 and then couldn't sleep.
And, you know, and he was always shivering,
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and he had this fear that if he'd
go back to sleep, he wouldn't wake up
again.
And
then so this therapist then finally said, well,
okay.
Was there anything in your history with your
family, you know, that you can point back
to where someone might have been you know,
had a problem with sleeping or something happened
to them and and they were cold in
in the night or whatever.
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And he said, yeah. His mother had just
recently told him
about an uncle that had,
been in the snow had gotten lost, was
in the snowstorm,
and,
had,
basically gotten cold and then passed out and
had hypothermia by the time they found him,
and then he had passed away.
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So and nobody ever really spoke a lot
about this, but that was the actual trigger.
He was 19 when it happened.
And so although he had no direct link,
this has carried through the gene pool. Yeah.
So that that is fascinating. You know? So
we're talking about,
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how the male's sperm carries ancestral data, how
the women's eggs carry ancestral data. And then
when people come together,
then the children,
you know, actually can display,
whether that's PTSD,
whether that's depression.
It's good or bad. Right? But there is
this effect. Well, we had no knowledge of
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that. So,
the studies are showing
that when children are exposed to,
stressors in utero and when they are born,
they can already have
depression and PTSD and grow up with that.
And then people go, why is that going
on? And there's
this child had loving parents, for example. Like,
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they're in a household with loving parents. But
what isn't
what nobody was aware of, for example, that
the mother was exposed to nine eleven. There's
actually a particular study that was done you
can find out about where they really observed,
the mothers that were stressed and the children
that were born and what happened to those
children right after that. And that's where you
could really see that. The the these are
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children that were
They were pregnant. Were were
in in utero? In utero? In utero? Or
Yeah. Right. At the time. Right. The mothers
were pregnant.
And as early as the pregnancies at 17
of a of of when the baby's even
17,
they said, when there is a they're just
the data was suggesting,
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you know, in utero is they were picking
things up from the parents. So when you
think about just that even on a global
scale, when you think about a mother is
stressed I mean, we
previously, I was reading, oh, if a mother
is stressed in the third trimester,
then these things occur. But now we know
it's even before that. But when you when
you think about that on a grander scale,
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when you look at trauma, when you look
at stressors, when you look at all these
things, what mother isn't stressed in the third
trimester? Or even, you know,
if a if a mother if you experience
violence, whether it's sexual violence or whether it's
physical violence or whatever it is,
you know, this impacts
the baby that is still in utero. In
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some cases, when there are severe stressors, you
know, wars, whatever, these babies are born sometimes
with their thumbs sucked raw. Oh. Yes. They
have they are they have so much anxiety
that by the time they they pass through
the birth canal, you know, this has already
happened. And The Yeah. I'm I'm sorry. Just
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past lives enter into your thinking at all?
Or
I personally
believe in that. I haven't,
yet
seen the tie in
with past lives and the books that I'm
reading. Let's put but put it that way.
But
I personally think that we do circle through.
You know, some people may not. And you'll
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you'll carry over problems from past lives into
new. Possibly. You know? I mean, maybe that's
the part that's missing here that maybe the
scientists haven't put linked together yet, that maybe
we we are actually coming back through. Right?
And maybe that is the true epigenetic. I
don't know. Yeah. But the way that they're
talking about it now is, you know, just
a new baby, a new sperm, a new
you know? But but because of that ancestral
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trauma that happened to, you know, to someone,
and in particular, for example, holocaust survivors. There's
another story of a young woman that I
just read that she was, you know, she
had she was depressed from the moment that
she could remember, and nobody in the family
could understand why, and she just didn't wanna
be here. So when she was 39 years
old, she went to a therapist. She told
the therapist, I I just don't wanna be
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here anymore. And she said, I'm going to
commit suicide.
And the therapist is like, what? And she
knew how she was gonna do it. She
said she was going to jump in to
an incinerator where her brother worked in a
in a mill, you know, in a, you
know, steel mill because she would, you know,
just eviscerate
completely. And I'm like, wow. Well, what had
turned out is that her grandmother had come
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over after the Holocaust,
and
she had seen all of obviously, she was
had was had seen the smoldering, you know,
all experienced all of that, the horrific experience
of incineration.
And,
but also that this was kind of hidden
from the family. They didn't talk about it.
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And so she had no real knowledge about
what happened,
but that ended up really being the link.
And the other part of that was that
when you come through this type of trauma,
it it mimics PTSD. And PTSD,
unlike other stressors which are saying high cortisol,
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is linked to something called low cortisol.
Those are some newer studies now coming out
that there is actually low cortisol,
which are more likely linked to PTSD.
And, again, so when we when we're not
aware of these things, we we mistreatment opportunities.
Yeah. And so whether or not a provider
today is looking at this new data and
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incorporating that into
therapy or finding out what is your core
trauma.
You know, I'm 62 years old.
And when I decided to get help, I
realized,
you know, I didn't have this information. And
I think that in the younger generation now,
there's more information in therapy where maybe you're
aware of it. But I think our older
generation really struggles still. And maybe not even
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as forthcoming, just struggles in silence
and going, you know, okay. Well, I don't
feel good today, or I'm depressed, or I'm
this, or I'm that. You know, I just
put one foot in front of the other.
I'll make it work. Wow. But the self
talk is negative and all of this. Well,
that's where all that kinda comes from. And
how do you switch,
how do you turn, you know, turn that
around?
That's what we're trying to do. So when
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we talk about epigenetics
and what it really is,
it's the expression of your gene. So it's
not your DNA changing, but your RNA and
your gene expression. So for example,
if you smoke cigarettes
if you smoke cigarettes, you may end up
with cancer. Right? And why is that? Because
over a period of time, you've subjected yourself
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to an outside source
that then changes the expression of your genes,
either turns them on or off,
and that's how you end up with disease
most of the time. So yeah.
And and by the way Mhmm. If you
people in the room or you can text
in questions or comments, Gabrielle has a wealth
of information.
And the number is (541)
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661-4098.
And thanks to Gabrielle, I had you said
you hadn't heard of it Mhmm. Released Mhmm.
For a while. Well, I never heard of
it until talking to you and did a
little research.
It's been around longer than I thought. Mhmm.
Now the name I came up with was
a Conrad
Waddington
Mhmm. Who apparently coined the term in 1942.
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Mhmm. So it's been around at least that
long. Yeah. I think it's been around, but
but but it but it's also been considered,
in the medical jargon as
junk science for a long time. We Yeah.
Because, you know, but that You can't see
that under a microscope, so it's something like
this.
And and we always like to follow the
money, you know, somebody who's probably not but
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not seeing how they could benefit from it
or I don't know. Right?
You know, when they talked about,
you know, our DNA, you know, only about
one to 2% of human DNA codes for
protein because we have what's called
an an,
noncoding DNA, which is what changes. That's that's
the part that does change. And so we
have the remaining DNA plays a regulatory role.
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I think, like switches, dimmers, timing controls that
influence
when and how genes are expressed.
The epigenetic
mechanism primarily acts here. So, you know, the
turning on and off of genes,
that that sounds like jeans for pants. I
meant jeans.
She's got good genes. Have you seen that
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one? Yeah. Yeah. We got some really good
genes. But why gene expression matters is because
influencers like stress response,
sleep, mood, immune function, inflammation,
and disease risk, all of this is part
of why epigenetics
matters. Right? It shapes the baseline of the
nervous system tone and its reactivity.
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It does not determine the destiny,
but it does
set operational conditions
for how we function. Right? Yeah. Wouldn't this
would it be part of, like, biology?
Going wrong there, but it kinda sounds like
I don't we it may at some point,
I would think. But right now, we don't
have the ability to study
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cells at that that level. But okay. There
are some new studies now, and I've done
some studies with mice. One particular study said
they did mice are most closely related to
humans, I guess, in terms of how they
react to certain things.
But what they've done is they they took
a scent,
and they,
they would have the pregnant
mouse, you know, get they would give her
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the scent, and then it would stimulate her
with something that she didn't like, like a
pain response or, you know, whatever the noise,
whatever it was.
And then
when the mice were the baby mice were
born, even though they had never
smelled the smell, when exposed to that smell,
they would have a similar reaction. You know?
And so that you know, those are some
of the tests that are being run now.
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And now we're doing human trials,
where they're starting to really link all of
this together.
So biology, obviously, because we you know, somewhere,
I would think, has a play in it.
Yeah. How our bodies react to Right.
Something like that.
Aromatherapy,
do you include that in your practice?
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Well, I would say aromatherapy in the sense
I I sage,
but, you know, with this thing. I would
say We hit talking. I have not personally
done it, but I would think, you know,
I mean, open to anything. It's not something
I have in my repertoire right this minute.
But, yeah, I'm always look willing to take
a look at that. You know? So
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absolutely.
So the but the the biggest thing that
I see with epigenetics
is what it promises
for us
in terms of what we might be able
to do when it comes to getting better.
Right? Because, ultimately,
the key We're all striving for that, I
believe. Yeah. And and also,
not just getting better, but also getting better,
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not necessarily with just,
pharmaceutical medications. Right? So it we we have
both. We we we we wanna make sure
we have
everything, all the tools,
but I don't know. But I would assume
maybe our listeners too, and I know most
of us
are
would rather not have to take a a
(27:02):
bunch of pills. We wanna learn how can
we heal ourselves
on a natural path. Right? How do we
how do we do it? Whether that's with
food, whether that's with sound, whether that's, you
know, you know, something else other. And what
we're learning is with epigenetics that we can
reverse conditions or get better, you know, over
time. There's still therapy involved and things we
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have to do to change it. But we
can impact just as as epigenetics can
negatively impact us. The same is true for
the opposite.
But first, you have to know it before
you can address it. Right. So and And
you're talking about preaching to the choir. I
had my appointment with my doc just a
few days ago. Mhmm. And that was one
of my I'm I take a lot of
(27:45):
pills at this stage in my life. Mhmm.
And I am getting better in certain ways,
and that was my top question when I
saw her. I said, can I get off
of some of these meds? Mhmm. And I
was able to get
counseling with her. I was able to get
off of three and got a lot more
to go. Mhmm. But, yeah, it's just and
we are a pill popping,
especially we seniors, I think.
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Oh, there's so many things affected to where
one interacts
with the other beyond what would be in
the it might be a very slight
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, medicinal
medicine and the way that the FDA, for
example, approves
medications or gets medications through their cycle,
is it's it's specifically
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to one part of let's say you have
lung cancer, then they're gonna go, this is
for lung cancer. Right? And then let's say
there's breast cancer. Well, we'll go for breast
cancer.
But what is not done is actually looking
at the whole entire system, and so they
isolate. And what is missed in most of
these clinical trials is all the other things
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that are part of before the cancer starts.
Yeah.
And so there was a doctor Brashinsky years
ago,
and, he had,
found that in cancer patients, there was a
specific protein
missing.
And
when he started to study this protein and
he was able to
inject that back into people,
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that that would help people get better. He
actually had some of the first cure rates
of cancer and brain cancers.
Long story short, you know, they really disparaged
him, put out bad data and, because he
didn't play with the pharmaceutical industry. Oh, I
think that's Yeah. He wanted he stayed on
his own. But one of the things so
they took everything. They went. They took all
the
(29:29):
research studies away from him and
and all the stuff. And he's in Houston
right next to the Anderson Clinic, but he
was smarter than that. And his son actually
went into medicine. He's retired now.
But what he ended up doing, he he
still provided similar treatments, but what he did
is he took all of the FDA approved
medications, like, from different and he started to
put together cocktails
because he said, you know, they only they
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go over here for breast cancer, over here
for this cancer, but what they're missing is
that actually by
looking at things together, you can mix things
together and have the same results. So he
still had the highest cancer cure rates because
he would approach from this aspect. But you
still don't hear a lot about him. But
if you're willing if you're any of the
listeners wanna Google doctor Brzezinski,
and in in Houston, Texas,
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there's a lot of information. I think the
first thing that you'll see is,
bad information because that's what they want you
to see. Yeah. But dig through it. There
are some movies out there that's really interesting.
Research
it all. Research it all. But it really,
goes to the root of
how we treat
and how we study
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and how we FDA approved medications. That's why
you end up with so many different medications.
Because instead of Well looking at the entire
system, it's this, it's this. Oh, you have,
you know, high blood pressure, we'll give you
this. Oh, you have anxiety, we'll give you
this. Or, you know, this in the body
isn't right, so you need a pill for
that. And, you know, ultimately, that's not necessarily
how it needs to be done, but that's
how how they do it. Right. So. And
(30:55):
we are halfway through, so I just wanna
give the let everybody know you're listening to
KCIW
LP
one hundred point seven FM here in beautiful
Brookings, Oregon.
And,
and I wanna the Wait wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Oh, Go ahead, Ray. Oh,
we gotta give the phone a long time.
Has replied to your tech line again. Chopping
(31:16):
at the bit to say, oh, yeah. It's
not overflowing yet. It's (541)
661-4098.
And you know what? It's easy to bad
mouth the pharmaceutical, which I do. We we
do. Mhmm. And but there's a way of
working together. But Oh, yeah. You know, watching
and I try not to watch I don't
have a TV now, but when I'm watching
if it's commercial TV over somebody,
(31:37):
the the amount of pharmaceutical
commercials
every day, it's like they have they change
them every week, just put a different name
on them. And I think it's just not
a good place to go. I I love
the side effects. Oh, it's gonna sound. Well,
yes. Oh my god. Suicidal thoughts, anal leaking,
just all this shit. I know. It
(31:58):
is crazy. Well, I always what what hits
me with that is is, like, they always
say it in the happiest voice. Yes. And
everybody's dancing there. The guys mowing the lawn
have them dancing and singing.
I've never,
mowed the lawn and danced. So I remember
this commercial, Vesicare. Do you remember the Vesicare
commercial with the with the tubing and the
pipes? You know, it's it's actually, you know,
kidney thing. Right? And bladder thing. Right?
(32:20):
And and then it was, like, all the
side effects, and then it goes,
oh, and death.
And, oh, and it's basically
and my doctor, you know, I was I
went to the doctor, you know, women, we
have this thing at night. We get get
up at night to go pee. Right? And
my doctor says to me one day, she
goes, you know, we can fix that. I
said, with what? He goes, Vesakir. I said,
that's alright. I'll go pee. I don't need
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to die for that. You know? Yeah. I
mean, the side effects are worse than the
cure. You you listen to it all the
time. You know? You I I always
why
would I watch a commercial to to see
what my to ask my doctor about something?
Mhmm. I would think I'd go to my
doctor and say I got this. They know
what to give me. I don't have to
ask them Yeah. To prescribe this one because
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I That's what you would do. I've talked
to doctors. People absolutely do that and frequently
insist on getting,
getting that prescription. Well and that's why people
end up also on a lot of meds,
and that's why, you know, doctors prescribe as
much because, of course, in this country too,
there's a lot of this this very litigious
malpractice and whatever. A few Big white when
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doc when you come to a doctor and
you tell this doctor this is the medication
I want, even though he might tell you
no, no, no, and you continue to insist,
he'll give it to you just because he
doesn't wanna be sued.
Well right. And and and then That aspect,
you know, so for sure. Yeah. Then then
there's the other thing too that if you
go to the doctor,
the patient might feel, well, he didn't do
anything because he didn't prescribe a drug. So
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you get a Mhmm. An antibiotic or something
that you prescribe that you don't necessarily Transactional.
Right. So in the and we are trained,
and I have to point to here because
I'm originally from Europe, and I've seen other
modalities
of medicine being and treatment. But it is
this transactional, I need to walk away with
something. If I'm coming to you, I need
something, either a prescription for whatever. Right?
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And,
and if not, you didn't do your job.
So yeah. So The United States consumes
the the 56%
of all medicines produced, and this is maybe
dated. This this is information I read a
while ago, but at the time, it was
56% of all medications produced in the world.
It sounds about right. You know? And
but I mean, I We're number one.
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Yeah. Number one in taking place.
And and so what this is about when
I bring in this epigenetics
is really to show to and we're gonna
get deeper. This is just the beginning of
of scratching the surface here. But what and
how does it impact and what can we
do
to,
heal
naturally,
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prevent disease. And so the the epigenetic piece
is kind of like a you can you
search for the root,
and then you back into treatment, whether that's
cognitive behavioral therapy for
a depression, ADHD,
or whatever,
or whether it is treating the body
that has has has a disease. But it
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is always going to be super important to
understand that epigenetic
piece so
our treatment can be affected
better
and even more targeted. So Dan may be
more targeted even with medications because we get
to the root more. What would be the
the the thing that could happen in somebody's
life that would cause them to say, have
heart trouble later on. I if I'm understanding
(35:31):
your epigenetics,
something my grandmother did or my mother Mhmm.
Affected something in my body that gave me
a bad heart.
So in many in so one of the
things that we talk about, when we talk
especially about heart problems
is, when you've had a,
difficult relationship with parents, one parent. So what
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they've done, they've done some studies and they've
come up that if you had a
issue with one parent, then you might have,
you have a fifty percent chance
of getting having serious illnesses such as heart
disease,
high blood pressure,
anything of that nature, kidneys, whatever, you have
a fifty percent chance of having that. When
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you've had a difficult relationship with both of
your parents, it's a hundred percent.
I fall into that category.
So that's one of one thing that we
we we see. Now why we have maybe
a relationship with that parent, I don't know.
But that's specifically targeted when you asked me
about HEART. That was one study that I
can point to. In terms of
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what it
what specific event could be that might have
happened,
to your family?
I mean, in your family tree,
you could you could ask the question,
you know, has anybody
had heart disease, or has anybody had an
ailment or an incident or something, you know,
kind of a You're not looking for the
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hereditary
No. I'm looking for event of something. Yeah.
Something that happened that then changes the actual
gene expression. That's what we're talking about. It's
the it's not the gene itself, but how
the gene expresses itself and even generationally down
down the line. Okay. So somebody's had an
event that that caused them to have
heart disease
later on. Mhmm. And so what do you
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do about that? So when the so basically,
what happens the other in the sperm or
the egg, that memory is transferred to the
offspring, they think, up to three generations. Well,
now you have the knowledge,
then we have to take a look and
see how to reverse that. You know? What
what is the heart disease too? Because there's
different types of heart disease. Right? I mean,
we have, you know, yeah, artery. We have
this. We have that.
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And how do you then, you know, heal
that? You know, definitely work with a medical
professional. In some cases,
it's probably going to be traditional medication.
Not that well versed. I'm not a doctor
either. But at least we we can we
have a trace we have a trace route.
Now,
when you're already in the situation that you're
not well,
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then,
you know, what I talk like to talk
about is put together a a care team.
I certainly found myself not well.
Two years ago, almost two years ago, when
I first got on the road and I
traveled, I went to the dentist and got
my teeth cleaned. I had a broken tooth,
whatever. Oh, no. I tried to get my
teeth cleaned. And they wouldn't do it. And
they wouldn't do it because my blood pressure
(38:19):
was high Oh. All of a sudden. It
came out of nowhere. I didn't know what
happened. Right? And I never had high blood
pressure and all this stuff, and then all
of a sudden, it it came
about. Now there are many reasons
why that could happen.
And sometimes it's other things too, hormonal changes
or whatever. Mhmm. But
I kinda fought traditional medicine. I didn't wanna
(38:41):
take blood pressure medication, you know, because I
was reading the side effects. They said,
well, you can have a stroke.
And and if you don't take it, you
could also have a stroke.
So
I have always had every side effect known
to man, so I opted not to have
a stroke, not to take
it. But I also worked with a medical
professional when I got to Brookings. Only in
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the last,
well, I turned 60. You found one of
those in Brookings? Yeah.
This is a lovely place to live if
you're not sick.
Well, no. Actually, but I found a good
medical professional here. Actually, she is, she's a
women's health nurse practitioner, Rebecca Meek. I'll just
go ahead and say her name.
And,
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at this point, I got I turned 62,
and I decided I'm going to take a
look and see what's going on because I
had heard that possibly hormonal changes can also
cause high blood pressure. So
but what I've come to, it's not just
any one thing going back to that.
I had recently put together an entire
care team. So I'm working with her and,
and then I'm also with a therapist.
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I myself
get into sound healing. I take sound healing
from others. I do it myself, but it's
different when you do it yourself and when
you're actually a receiver.
Getting
out of my own self.
Could I clarify one thing before we go
on? I didn't mean to say
that
the doctors or the clinicians here were not
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good. They're as good as any place. Just
don't have enough of them. Oh, no, no.
I understand. Oh, and I wasn't taking it
that way. I think we that no. We
don't have a lot here. I mean, going
on the dentist, and I found a good
one. You know? I just got an appointment
with my cardiologist
for July. Oh, wow.
And that cardiologist is where? In Medford. I
could go to Medford probably and and and
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and and move that up to June or
something. Yeah.
Sometimes they they'll come here once every month
or so. Yeah. Yeah. Or I mean, I
have the same thing. Mhmm. Before I forget,
Gabrielle, you I wanted to real quick that
you talked I know you have the European
background, which is great. Could you because it's
been a while since you've been back there,
I guess. Or Yeah. Actually, I haven't been
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back,
since 2022,
I think it was last time. Well, that's
I was gonna ask you to do it,
if you could, a quick comparison between the
medical,
medical
things Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Back there compared to
how how the this country does it. Well,
there's I mean, that's a pretty broad brush.
Yeah. But
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well, for for one, we have,
you know,
universal health care. Right? When we have really
good health care in a sense. I mean,
I wouldn't say it used to be better
when I grew up there. Everything was a
100%
covered. And then Okay.
Then,
they took a little bit of the American
model and did some splitting of, you know,
which was Well you know, whatever. It happens.
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But in terms of,
treatment,
very much,
very much
still very interested in
doing things holistically.
Food source, you know. God. I'm glad nutrition.
Nutrition. You mentioned that. Yes. It's huge. You
know? Yeah. And and just the foods
that you get from the farm to the
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table,
you know, the the quality and what's it's
just different. So it starts just with that.
You know? So when when you think about
food as medicine, by the way Oh, wait.
You know, the body can heal with the
right amount of food. So that's where functional
health comes in. Right? Yeah. So how do
we support us? So that's a big part.
There's just more,
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it really is more towards the holistic side.
It doesn't mean we don't obviously have chemo
and all the treatments as well. Absolutely, 100%.
But there's definitely always a part where we're
looking at what can we do, you know,
sleep better, eat better, walk. That's another huge
thing, a proper amount of sleep. I know
a lot of people that aren't getting
good sleep at all. Right. And
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that's and they're all seniors and Mhmm. It
could be a problem. It is a problem.
And it probably can and it links back
to, you know, all sorts of things, you
know, whether you're taking lots of medications that
keep you up at night or whatever the
case may be. But yeah. So all of
that is so when a doctor sits down
and talks to you, asks a lot of
questions. What I've noticed okay. What is the
difference? When I go to a doctor here
(42:55):
anymore well, my I can't say this practitioner
because she's
wonderful. She's just different. But generally speaking, if
I go to a doctor, they don't ask
me, how do I sleep? How do I
eat? You know? What do I do for
myself? Do I have any problems at home?
You know? The the impolatory regular GP, that's
not even it. Right? It's like, oh, you're
hurting or you have high blood pressure. You
have this. You know? They kinda go, oh,
(43:17):
and here's a medication for that. But, actually,
why
this is is this happening? Or those questions
are not being asked. Right? What happened to
you? Why why is this going on? Those
questions
are rarely ever asked. And that's probably one
of the biggest differences that I would see
is just how the the the actual questions
that are being asked
by the providers.
They they might ask you, how is your
(43:38):
relationship with your husband and wife? Right? And
you might go, why do I why do
I need to tell you that? But guess
what? If you're in a stressful relationship with
your partner, if you have trouble at home,
if you're miserable,
that is 100%
where we go to the epigenetics,
Prolonged trauma. That is trauma.
That has an effect on the body. 100%
(43:59):
is how your genes can change. When you're
talking
about
cancers, for example Yeah. 100
many times, you can look at stress factors
that really would be the cause for that.
Right? Yeah. So when treatment happens for cancer,
right, we we know this, that the people
that are positive thinking, you know, whatever, have
a better outcome than those that aren't. Again,
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why is that? Because everything is linked. So
the that is
the thought process, the epigenetics, the continuous
implantation is how the gene can then either
express positively
or negatively.
Well, I'm glad to hear that epigenetics
does cover all I mean, the nutrition is
a big part of that. Mhmm. And one
(44:44):
little thing that I I noticed also with
people that I've known that have had trouble
it's pretty simple, but it's hydration
Mhmm. Water. Mhmm.
We're we're pretty prone to
think I was raised on Pepsi,
and,
I'm serious, man. It was that my house
we were all known. Hey. Come over to
the McNabbard. We'll have Pepsi. Mhmm. But, anyway,
(45:06):
I finally got off of that stuff. That
stuff's addictive, man.
It is.
Some friends of mine recently have had a
couple trips to the hospital. Why? Because they
were not hydrated. Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. So Oh,
yeah. Well, yes. Thing like keeping
keeping hydrated with regular water, I guess, is
where I was. Right. Water is it well,
I mean, when you think about sodas in
particular, high sugar, you know, all that sort
(45:27):
of thing. Or if you do diet, if
you think about it, diet sodas. Right? We
think I think they're even Oh, they're worse.
They're worse. No. No. I was in a
park one time, and there was a woman
with a baby in a a stroller.
And she was filling up one of those
sippy cups Mhmm. With
Coke Classic to give to the kids.
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But at the time, I had stock in
Coca Cola. And I said, right on, baby.
So you were all nutty oriented. Yes. Why
not?
No. But then I wasn't gonna do anything
to save that kid's life, so I might
as well make a buck on them. Okay.
Okay.
Well, there is a I I randomly read
a lot of different white papers, whatever. But
here's another one, for example.
Right now, there is an increase
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of colon and intestinal
problems
for people born in the nineties. Right? So
anyone
right. Didn't know that. Right. So what was
the difference? What's the difference, eighties, nineties, whatever?
What happened? Right?
When
this is just my
interpretation
of after I've read a bunch of things
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and going back to the epigenetic piece. But
that's really when we started to see
a lot of processed
a lot of baby foods being conveniently served
in two plastic tube. Everything is Oh. Prepackaged,
squeeze it out.
We're talking colon cancer. I mean, people are,
you know, born in 1990, 1993. And I
(46:51):
didn't know that. But that makes kinda Google
it. Look it up. It's it's a fact.
And my opinion is simply that because
those babies
had been exposed to microplastics,
all of the different things that are in
the packaging
Wow. If I remember correctly, a baby can
eat anything we eat
(47:11):
if you run it through a processor or
something. Not you know? Right. They can eat
real food. Yeah. Make you cook your cook
your own and and and just don't put
any salt and pepper on it and and
put it through the ring in your window
little and they can't, you know, chew yet.
But, yes, I mean, make your own if
you know, I'm not saying there are there's
not good baby food. There is. But if
you can,
(47:31):
you know,
buy fresh and try to try to do
it yourself. But and still, I look now.
I see the moms, and I I pay
attention because I'm studying this. I'm so into
this epigenetic thing and what's going on. And
and I'm looking at it. I said, I
see this girl the other day, the lady
the other day, and she had one of
those things. She's squeezing it out of the
tube. And I'm thinking, I know the packaging
(47:52):
is better now, but still so
right there,
we know. And, again, Google it and find
out there's a huge
you know, the the greatest,
right now that they see cancers in in
people in their thirties.
And
that's,
in my opinion, that's that's where where we
need to look because
the exposure to all of those things.
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Again, epigenetic event means something
over time
will affect you, and then
the genes will express differently. And it either
turns on the gene or turns off the
gene. And when it turns it on to
the wrong thing, this is what you get.
You know, you've mentioned microplastic.
We've done a couple of shows on that.
I think that,
(48:35):
that's a problem that I I hope and
I think we need to get under control.
Mhmm. And
as we're as I'm drinking right from our
plastics, I mean Well but Yeah. But,
it's it's really a a horrific problem. And
we've talked about it where they're finding the
microplastics
at the bottom of the Mariana Trench in
(48:56):
a fish or something like Mhmm. There's just
it's yeah. We're too
convenient, I suppose. Well, we didn't no. I
don't think you know, and and in in
the defense of industry or whatever, I think
we evolved as humans. Right? The industrial revolution.
Well, sure. We discovered something. We'd found that
plastics are great. We had good things with
plastics. I mean, you think about surgeries. Right?
I mean, we have sterile environments in which
(49:17):
we can cut people open, and 80% of
the stuff that's being used to keep it
sterile are plastics. Right? Oh my god. You
see and and and and disposable. And disposable.
Right. Even that, when you get when you
get, blood pressure taken, the the band is
disposable.
Yeah. Yeah. So but so, you know, so
in in defense of science and ex you
know, as humans as we evolve, I don't
(49:38):
think
we we knew it. Right? I mean, I
don't know that every that those things were
became about
and immediately people knew that it was something
bad and they were just pushing it. The
problem is once they understood it's something bad,
they never corrected or tried to do different
or at least slow to change. Yeah. And
covering up a lot of the stuff and
to continue being,
(49:58):
what am I trying to say, bad Yeah.
About it. But you're right about where it
goes back working to get a compromise. I
don't know how you wanna say it. Mhmm.
Yeah. But it's again, back to epigenetics.
It's kind of using
Mhmm. Both rules, if I will. Yeah. Well,
one more thing on the food thing. For
example, in Europe, you start to see these
grocery stores pop up that don't have any
(50:19):
packaging.
Everything is in bulk, and you go in
and you buy all your products and then
maybe a paper bag you walk out with
or you have a reusable or whatever. Yeah.
But they literally have stores now where there's
no
plastics, no it every like, you know, the
foods are loose, and you
you buy them in bulk or you buy
what you need,
and then it's packaged in whatever paper bag
(50:41):
or whatever
for that very reason. You know? You know?
We we we go to, Rick and Mike
and and we go to a,
an environmental meeting once a month from SoCAT.
And it's depressing sitting there while he's telling
you everything that's going on. But in the
back of my mind, I said, but wait
a minute. It's the whole rest of the
world that's doing it better than we are.
(51:02):
Mhmm. For instance, I learned years ago that
in Germany, and you can probably back it,
it's illegal
to sell
tooth toothpaste in a cardboard box. Mhmm. You
take the tube and put it in the
cardboard box, put it on the shelf, and
then take it home and throw it's just
wasteful. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Less packaging. You know?
(51:22):
It's terrible packaging. Yeah. We try not to.
And and Buy a toothpick from,
from Amazon. You'll be throwing away
wrapping and Oh my god. Plastic for months.
Every time you get a package from Amazon,
you wonder what? Sometimes I get something small,
it comes in a big box, and I'm
like, what is all this packaging in here?
I think well, would I just order a
(51:43):
stereo system and then it's, like you say,
a thing of toothpicks or something? It's just
crazy. No. Yeah. Because the thing is when
you when you open the Amazon box, it's
already in a box that's in plastic and
ready to ship.
Why can't they just put a label on
that instead
of putting it into their own box? Yeah.
I'm sure they would if they could because
that box isn't free to them. Yeah. They
(52:03):
have to buy that.
Well, when you put that's another thing, probably
could save money. Right? With less cost if
we didn't have so much packaging, you know,
to bring bring bring that down. Right? So
over over the over the time and over,
you know There was there was a thing
on the news this morning about,
the town that
that, what a wonderful life was
(52:25):
patterned after. It wasn't that town, but it
has all the same the bridge and the
all that same stuff.
And A little homey stuff.
And it's oh, what a lovely place it
is, and then they back the camera off.
And at the edge of the town, there's
a huge
dump. Mhmm. And that's off gassing all the
time, and
(52:46):
they're looking at expanding the dump. So No.
Not not such a wonderful life maybe there.
Well, Gabrielle,
back to the
Epigenetics. Thank you. It's hard to say. Just
found out. Yeah. But, and and we've mentioned
meditation
being part of the, quote, healing. Mhmm. Mhmm.
(53:07):
What
and does religion, spirituality
come into play? It must because you're gonna
have different,
pay what do I call? Not patients, clients.
Mhmm. Mhmm. You know? Well, I think for
any type of spiritual connection
to what I like to say, a higher
self or, you know, whatever, it it's it
it is a good it's personal. Yeah. But
(53:27):
I think so. It depends on the person,
you know. Spirituality
meditation,
absolutely. It's, you know, it it ties in.
And I see
that when I see people that are,
very religious too, you know, I can it's
it really is a a tool. Right? I
I think it's it's a helpful tool you
to to feel better and, you know, whether
(53:49):
one is religious or not. But, it talks
about in the Bible of,
generational trauma,
you know, the sins of our father through
our generations. So it's in there. I view
the book more of,
written by people. You know, they they were
the first in the know. And,
and I said they knew something. You know?
They observed it. They understood. You know? Somehow,
(54:11):
there's so it's not foreign. It's been around
forever. So it's somewhere in there, people understood
that there was this knowledge Yeah. And that
that happens. Well, it's kinda interesting. Like you
said, it just we talked about it. It
was back in the forties when this gentleman
Mhmm. Came up. But it's really still relatively
new to most. Well, the epigenetics
is new only because it wasn't it was
(54:33):
more dismissed
as being something that was useful
in healing or treatment or whatever. Right?
It was kind of acknowledged, but it wasn't
really,
it wasn't put to use, I would say.
Yeah. But you are you will hear the
words now more. If if you pay attention
to your news, if you're ever on the
you know, you'll start hearing,
diabetes, for example. I heard it not too
(54:54):
long ago. It was watching the news, and
and there was a doctor. I can't remember
his name. And he said and epigenetics. I
jumped up. I'm like, yes. You know? Wow.
Oh, now we know. Okay. But it's not
a secret. Right? If we understand what causes
diabetes, you know, it's that epigenetics.
But, you know, what the goal for me,
for example, is, you know, with the show
(55:14):
or with other things that we still don't
wanna talk about, is some of the
links from epigenetics,
I'm gonna jump into the next phase of
what I would like to talk about one
day, is ADHD.
And ADHD
is often diagnosed
or misdiagnosed,
but it's a big deal.
It really impacts people's lives from childhood all
the way to adulthood. It's directly tied to
(55:35):
epigenetics. And there's a lot to unpack there,
not for today. Okay. But,
that's kind of the lead in. Right? I
wanted to to share this information, and then
we can talk more about that. Well, great.
Because we are running out of time. I
mean, that's a bummer. I wish we had
another hour to go, but we should we
can arrange at some point. Yeah. Yeah. But
we'd love to have you. How about people
getting a hold of you? Okay. So Let's
go. The best way to get a hold
(55:56):
of me is through my website, and it's
just communicate
at myhumantribe.com.
And that is m I,
human tribe, not m y. Perfect. When I
founded the company in 2019, if everybody remembers,
you know, everybody's about the I with the
iPhone. You know? So There you go. And
so what I actually did when I spelled
it, it's m and then the I is
is small. Everything is a large cap except
(56:18):
the i's in the word, my human tribe.
That particular website is, needs to be updated
to reflect all of the things I do.
It has some,
dated information
on it, but it is the best way
to get a hold of me via email
because I respond to email the fastest. I
think that's you know, it's just the best
(56:38):
way to get a hold. And and how
long have you had the practice here in
town? I am just starting here. Right now,
I'm a mobile sound healer, which means I
come to you. I
am, on the coaching side. Just reach out
to me. I'm I'm I'm a trauma informed
coach. I've even, the sound healing that I
do, I I work with it from a
trauma aspect. It's very, very different.
(56:59):
I'm not very, very different, but I believe
a little bit different maybe. And, I like
to work with individuals on a one on
one because that's where the rubber meets the
road. Right. And, yeah. So that's that's a
great idea. Lucky enough to get you to
visit us today. Oh, yeah. So
yes. Yes. Well, no. I like to do
it forever. But but but one on one
is is really nice. If I can really
(57:20):
work with somebody one on one, I really
enjoy that a lot. Okay.
Mhmm. Alright. Well, y'all y'all have the information
to get a get ahold of Gabrielle.
And, boy, thank you for showing up, and
we got a lot more to talk about.
Yes. We do. You Yes. We do. Hope
you'll be back. I would love to be
back. As a matter of fact, I'm devouring
several more books on the topic. I continue
(57:41):
to educate myself. I work with NIH and
several others. I'm just really putting together
a plan and more education,
palatable, will be on my website in the
future too that everybody can grab. But there's
so much more to come come that I
can share, and I'm excited to do so.
Awesome. And I do believe maybe I'm not
I shouldn't I can share it. You I
think you're talking about hopefully doing a show
(58:01):
on our radio Yes. Yes. For one of
the your own show. I would love to.
I would love to. And I'm also very
excited if we can, you know, take this
further and,
you know, and to really develop
a a show and maybe even a YouTube
or whatever. Yeah. I'm all in. Alright. That's
great. We're
down to 30. Thirty seconds. Can I can
(58:22):
I sign us out? You sign us out.
Hey. I'm gonna sign us out with a
little bit of a sign out. Us out.
No better way. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
(58:42):
you for having me. KCIW
LP one hundred point seven FM here in
beautiful Brookings, Oregon.
Thank you. Lots of love.
Well, hello again, KCIW
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Now before I turn it over to our
famous radio personality,
just wanted to today is, happy winter solstice
day.
So from now on, we're gonna enjoy maybe
(00:47):
a little more light each day rather than
plunge into darkness.
Few seconds at first and then up to
three minutes by hopefully January into February.
And, also,
midst of holiday season,
just like to wish everybody Merry Christmas,
happy Hanukkah,
happy Kwanzaa,
happy New Year.
Let's hope 2026
(01:08):
will get brighter as the days get brighter.
There we go, Ray. Alrighty. It's all yours.
You're happy to you didn't
acknowledge the
people who don't
acknowledge any happy.
Everyone never mind. Everybody.
Oh, what what did sign didn't sign Phil
have a a Festivus. Festivus. There you go.
Okay. Festivus for the rest of us. There
(01:29):
you go. Okay. Being the twenty first, that
means this is the shortest day of the
year. I woke up this morning all happy
to realize that starting tomorrow, my electric bill
will be going down. There you go. Let's
see. Need for lights. Good news. Yes.
Okay. I'll turn the microphone over now to
our guest who will introduce herself and tell
(01:49):
us what it is she wants to talk
about today.
Hi. My name is Gabrielle Wyatt, and I
am,
somewhat new to the community. I've been here
about two years.
I came from Virginia
where I, own and operate substance use mental
health medical practices.
Being in recovery myself for about twenty three
(02:10):
years, I've studied
a lot of things of what makes us
tick, you know, how our minds work or
maybe rather not work all the time.
And, you know, the, you know, the struggles
that I've had, you know, at even at
62 years of age and and going through
life, you know, are I've learned something about
what's called epigenetics.
(02:30):
And that's gonna be what we're gonna talk
about today is,
epigenetics.
But before
we jump into that and more historical background,
before we get into all of that,
I have, over the years, become a
sound healer,
and I brought a couple of sound bowls
with me. And
what we're gonna do now is just kinda
(02:51):
clear the space,
get energetically,
you know, clear our aura and,
and
welcome
the winter solstice as well as Awesome. The
new beginning that happens as of today. You
know, everything comes back new and fresh,
and so that's how we're gonna start. So
first thing you're gonna hear is,
(03:12):
this is,
liquid sage. We'll spray this around a little
bit. This clears Wonderful. Clears our space,
completely.
And then
I would like for everybody just, if you
are sitting down, just take a deep breath
right now
and just go
and exhale.
(03:33):
Take another deep breath,
and,
and another exhale,
and a third deep breath.
And now, we're going to welcome our bowl.
(04:24):
And another deep breath.
Okay.
We have now sufficiently cleared our space.
And for those of you who may or
may not be familiar with sound healing, but
frequencies in and sound have been for for
around for ages.
Our old church bells that we had,
(04:46):
used to vibrate at four twenty hertz, which
is the four twenty hertz is where we
are in our best
space and can receive,
input from the universe and really grow and
expand.
And so,
that's,
one of the frequencies that we really like
to step into.
(05:07):
But all of sound frequencies, we're all frequency,
and when we absorb frequencies,
healing occurs in the body somatically.
So for those of you who have maybe
never had that experience,
check out any sound healer here locally as
well as myself and and get a sound
healing session in. Well, that was
wonderful and what what a beautiful sound, but
(05:27):
tell us a little bit about the bowls.
These aren't just,
these are special bowls that you have. Right.
So, well,
I I like several different, sources for my
bowls, but the main source I like for
my brass bowls is a a store called
the Om store. And the Om store,
these bowls actually come from Nepal. They're handcrafted,
hand hammered, handmade,
(05:47):
and each bowl
is one of its kind. There are no
two alike. Although, on the frequency spectrum, they
are. But in terms of the engraving that
you see, it's not.
So it can be both beautiful and and
they are beautiful. Gorgeous. Yes.
This was actually my very first bowl that
I ever got,
years ago. And I was in West Virginia
(06:08):
at the time, of all places, and I
picked it up in this place where this
gentleman came had a store, and he was
from Nepal.
And I was at Gold Beach. I took
this with me. You know, I'd like to
go take these out in the in the
woods and whatever. But I actually dropped it,
and it broke a little bit. Oh. But
it still works. So this has more this
particular bowl has even more Meaning. Of a
(06:29):
connection. Yeah. And then I have these symbols
in that you see. And these are actually
purchased right here in, Brookings, Oregon from a
person that, sells these connections. What do those
symbols remind you of?
Symbols.
Well, our favorite movie here that we love
to talk about is Plan nine from Outer
Spoke. Oh, so right. And that has flying
(06:50):
saucers, god. I think that's Flying saucers. I
can get you you can say that. Yeah.
Oh, well, that's good.
I I had a sound session actually yesterday
and,
I was,
you know, at the at the pickleball
Cascadia pickleball, and Christine
gave,
a sound session. I hope I remember the
name correctly. I'm sorry. Sometimes horrible names.
(07:10):
But, it was my first one with with
this teacher,
and it was just amazing. I literally went
into a trance. And and and that's kind
of what can happen to you when you
are
in the in the space. You literally could
lose yourself. I literally, for a minute, didn't
know where I was. So, like, where am
I? But and I pulled myself out of
it, and I kinda shouldn't have because that
(07:31):
is where, again, the healing occurs when you
can go into that trance like space.
And people talk about those experiences, which which
are very healing and very amazing. So that
was Right. Very cool. Yes. And another visual,
since we're on radio, that the bowls that
you have I I would say roughly soup
bowl size. Mhmm. But you do set you
have
very large bowls. Correct. I have I have
(07:53):
the the the chakra set. I have larger
bowls.
I'm eyeing a football, which is definitely, like,
20 I think it's even bigger than that
20 inches, maybe even longer. But larger. They
can get quite large depending on Yeah. You
know, and then the sound changes. You know?
It's just very deep or it could be
you know, the smaller ones tend to be
higher on octave and the the Yeah. The
other ones tend to be lower. So that's
(08:14):
kinda where you, you know, where you can
where where they fall different on the on
the spectrum. But, yeah, I have all sorts
of equipment, actually. The singing bowls and the
thimbles and then also,
things that make rain sounds.
Just just a whole bunch. And that's just
a small I know it's small part of
your Mhmm. Ice I'll call it a business.
(08:35):
But,
so and how many bowls do you have?
Oh, gosh.
Probably, if I had to count, maybe 20
or 30. Just on the bowl side, I
also have a gong.
And I'm always adding. I just bought a
drone flute, but I can't quite play it
yet. I have to learn how to play
it. It would be not so good if
somebody heard it right now.
(08:56):
But it really you know, it's they're they
only have, four holes. The the I mean,
the drone flutes are a little different. And
so you don't really have to have musical
talent to play it, but I still want
it to at least sound good. I have
to practice a little bit more on that.
So So, again, that's we're talking sound healing
again, just a a small part of what
you do. Mhmm. That's a very small part
part of what I do. Well, actually, it's
not so much a small part. It's a
(09:18):
part of what I do. So Yeah. What
I what what I've trained myself in over
the last few years
is, in the in the vein of healing
myself is the sound healing, psychedelic facilitation.
Currently, I offer, you know, setting the intention
and also doing the integration piece on the
back end. And the other thing I I
do is, work with gut microbiome. If somebody
(09:40):
works with a functional health professional, gets those
lab works done, and, needs to be guided
through how to implement
the dietary,
suggestions,
then I come in as a coach to
help people do that. And I myself
practice functional health and functional medicine, you know,
for my own self gut microbiome because we
(10:00):
are a system, and it's all connected. What
what you know? And that's what medic a
lot of times in medicine, or at least
previously, more so now, we're seeing a shift.
We're not looked at as a as a
entire system. It's always they're picking apart. Oh,
you're you have this ailment. We're gonna treat
this ailment. We're gonna go here. We're gonna
go here. But what we fail to do
(10:21):
is actually treat the whole body, and there's
more to it. It's the mind. It's the
body. It's the soul. It's everything. Right? Body,
spirit. Mind, body, spirit. And,
our how we are affected mentally. I I
would say this. We we live in our
heads. Right? I think all of us would
agree that most of the time, we sit
here, we think, and we we react.
We really live in our heads. So how
(10:41):
do we you know and that's where depression
comes, come whether you're happy or you're sad.
So then how do you,
affect that in a positive manner,
you know, when
when we're constantly drawn into,
into these vortexes of life. Right? So
and then making the connection back into
(11:04):
our past
where things originate,
really. You know? Which is the kind of
the core we talk about epigenetics.
Is that right? Correct. Yeah. So the epigenetics.
So, you know, just again, as as I
embarked on my own healing, about twenty three
years in recovery, and then twenty years the
last twenty years, I've I've worked in the
medical space, owned and operated this medical practice,
(11:24):
and I've seen a lot of suffering. I
interviewed a lot of people. I noticed that
everybody shares common traumas
and seems to also have the same outcome,
you know, when it comes to addiction and
so on and so forth. And then
in early in my recovery, I was saying,
you know, there's a cause and effect that
I didn't just wake up one day and
wanted to,
you know, ingest large amounts of substance.
(11:46):
You know, that was never the go I
mean, that's not how I was raised. That's
not what I wanted in life, but yet,
you know, I ended up there. Yeah. And
then,
you know, I ended up
cleaning myself up, basically, you know, decided that
I didn't wanna participate in that lifestyle. And
it it wasn't that I was in a
crazy scene or anything. It was just it
was eating at me.
(12:07):
And as
I did that and started to go to
meetings, this, that, and the other, and there
was always this, you know, you did this
wrong and and and and we kinda beat
ourselves up. And I said, well, there has
to be a cause and effect. What was
the cause? Well, nobody could really answer that.
So years of therapy,
all the things that I was looking into
never really gave me the answer. I was
still not better. As a matter of fact,
(12:28):
things got worse in some sense. Mhmm. My
ADHD became more progressive,
and,
you know, I just didn't understand. I kinda
got lost. And then last
year, it was it was pretty bad. I
actually didn't, of course, at some point, didn't
necessarily wanna be here. Right? I was like,
okay. Well, what what what is all this?
And I started to really, look into epigenetics
(12:50):
and the links to epigenetics by reading several
books. And, I came across the first book,
which was
In the Realm of Hungry Ghost by doctor
Gabor Mate.
And that was an eye opener for me.
It was the first book I read that
mentioned the word epigenetics, which I had never
heard before
at the time.
And, you know, what it really is, epigenetics
(13:13):
explains how trauma, such as stress, trauma environment,
substance use, and how the genes actually express
themselves. You know, we have
DNA and then we have RNA.
And our DNA doesn't really change, but our
RNA and how
our genes express themselves can change by outside
(13:34):
influences
or even genetic
or even historical influences from our ancestors, you
know, generational
things that can happen that that you don't
even know happened. You know, something happened to
your grandmother,
and then it actually affects you in this
lifetime. How would you ever know that? Those
links were never made, at least not when
I was in therapy. Nobody's really experienced it.
(13:55):
I I'm gonna jump a little bit here.
But is that kind of equal I'm thinking
Darwin I believe you and I have talked
about it a little bit before. Did you
know, how,
how
you change because of your ancestors or you
evolve, I guess, but also maybe carry private,
previous trauma. Mhmm.
Exactly. Yeah. So there's there are a couple
(14:17):
of, you know,
I mean, ex examples, I should say. And
one particular one that, I wanna recall this
is and by the way, I know I
told you guys a story before, and I
think I was a little bit incorrect in
the actual sequence, but here's what actually happened.
Okay. So this 19 year year old, went
to the came to the doctor and had
he was, just, you know, had insomnia, couldn't
(14:38):
sleep, and just couldn't understand why he couldn't
sleep, had gone to different therapists, and, you
know, I had done all the tests and
got on some antidepressants, but really nothing worked.
And then he came to this therapist, and
at this point, he's 20,
and was really at his wits' end, couldn't
quite understand what happened
and why he couldn't sleep.
(14:58):
And so he,
described, you know, that he was you know,
he one day, you know, he's 19 years
old. One day, he wakes up in the
middle of the night at 03:30 in the
morning, and he was shivering cold and could
never go back to sleep.
And this was the permeate every night and
thereafter, he had that same thing. We'd wake
up at 03:30 and then couldn't sleep.
And, you know, and he was always shivering,
(15:20):
and he had this fear that if he'd
go back to sleep, he wouldn't wake up
again.
And
then so this therapist then finally said, well,
okay.
Was there anything in your history with your
family, you know, that you can point back
to where someone might have been you know,
had a problem with sleeping or something happened
to them and and they were cold in
in the night or whatever.
(15:42):
And he said, yeah. His mother had just
recently told him
about an uncle that had,
been in the snow had gotten lost, was
in the snowstorm,
and,
had,
basically gotten cold and then passed out and
had hypothermia by the time they found him,
and then he had passed away.
(16:02):
So and nobody ever really spoke a lot
about this, but that was the actual trigger.
He was 19 when it happened.
And so although he had no direct link,
this has carried through the gene pool. Yeah.
So that that is fascinating. You know? So
we're talking about,
(16:23):
how the male's sperm carries ancestral data, how
the women's eggs carry ancestral data. And then
when people come together,
then the children,
you know, actually can display,
whether that's PTSD,
whether that's depression.
It's good or bad. Right? But there is
this effect. Well, we had no knowledge of
(16:44):
that. So,
the studies are showing
that when children are exposed to,
stressors in utero and when they are born,
they can already have
depression and PTSD and grow up with that.
And then people go, why is that going
on? And there's
this child had loving parents, for example. Like,
(17:05):
they're in a household with loving parents. But
what isn't
what nobody was aware of, for example, that
the mother was exposed to nine eleven. There's
actually a particular study that was done you
can find out about where they really observed,
the mothers that were stressed and the children
that were born and what happened to those
children right after that. And that's where you
could really see that. The the these are
(17:25):
children that were
They were pregnant. Were were
in in utero? In utero? In utero? Or
Yeah. Right. At the time. Right. The mothers
were pregnant.
And as early as the pregnancies at 17
of a of of when the baby's even
17,
they said, when there is a they're just
the data was suggesting,
(17:46):
you know, in utero is they were picking
things up from the parents. So when you
think about just that even on a global
scale, when you think about a mother is
stressed I mean, we
previously, I was reading, oh, if a mother
is stressed in the third trimester,
then these things occur. But now we know
it's even before that. But when you when
you think about that on a grander scale,
(18:07):
when you look at trauma, when you look
at stressors, when you look at all these
things, what mother isn't stressed in the third
trimester? Or even, you know,
if a if a mother if you experience
violence, whether it's sexual violence or whether it's
physical violence or whatever it is,
you know, this impacts
the baby that is still in utero. In
(18:29):
some cases, when there are severe stressors, you
know, wars, whatever, these babies are born sometimes
with their thumbs sucked raw. Oh. Yes. They
have they are they have so much anxiety
that by the time they they pass through
the birth canal, you know, this has already
happened. And The Yeah. I'm I'm sorry. Just
(18:50):
past lives enter into your thinking at all?
Or
I personally
believe in that. I haven't,
yet
seen the tie in
with past lives and the books that I'm
reading. Let's put but put it that way.
But
I personally think that we do circle through.
You know, some people may not. And you'll
(19:10):
you'll carry over problems from past lives into
new. Possibly. You know? I mean, maybe that's
the part that's missing here that maybe the
scientists haven't put linked together yet, that maybe
we we are actually coming back through. Right?
And maybe that is the true epigenetic. I
don't know. Yeah. But the way that they're
talking about it now is, you know, just
a new baby, a new sperm, a new
you know? But but because of that ancestral
(19:34):
trauma that happened to, you know, to someone,
and in particular, for example, holocaust survivors. There's
another story of a young woman that I
just read that she was, you know, she
had she was depressed from the moment that
she could remember, and nobody in the family
could understand why, and she just didn't wanna
be here. So when she was 39 years
old, she went to a therapist. She told
the therapist, I I just don't wanna be
(19:56):
here anymore. And she said, I'm going to
commit suicide.
And the therapist is like, what? And she
knew how she was gonna do it. She
said she was going to jump in to
an incinerator where her brother worked in a
in a mill, you know, in a, you
know, steel mill because she would, you know,
just eviscerate
completely. And I'm like, wow. Well, what had
turned out is that her grandmother had come
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over after the Holocaust,
and
she had seen all of obviously, she was
had was had seen the smoldering, you know,
all experienced all of that, the horrific experience
of incineration.
And,
but also that this was kind of hidden
from the family. They didn't talk about it.
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And so she had no real knowledge about
what happened,
but that ended up really being the link.
And the other part of that was that
when you come through this type of trauma,
it it mimics PTSD. And PTSD,
unlike other stressors which are saying high cortisol,
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is linked to something called low cortisol.
Those are some newer studies now coming out
that there is actually low cortisol,
which are more likely linked to PTSD.
And, again, so when we when we're not
aware of these things, we we mistreatment opportunities.
Yeah. And so whether or not a provider
today is looking at this new data and
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incorporating that into
therapy or finding out what is your core
trauma.
You know, I'm 62 years old.
And when I decided to get help, I
realized,
you know, I didn't have this information. And
I think that in the younger generation now,
there's more information in therapy where maybe you're
aware of it. But I think our older
generation really struggles still. And maybe not even
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as forthcoming, just struggles in silence
and going, you know, okay. Well, I don't
feel good today, or I'm depressed, or I'm
this, or I'm that. You know, I just
put one foot in front of the other.
I'll make it work. Wow. But the self
talk is negative and all of this. Well,
that's where all that kinda comes from. And
how do you switch,
how do you turn, you know, turn that
around?
That's what we're trying to do. So when
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we talk about epigenetics
and what it really is,
it's the expression of your gene. So it's
not your DNA changing, but your RNA and
your gene expression. So for example,
if you smoke cigarettes
if you smoke cigarettes, you may end up
with cancer. Right? And why is that? Because
over a period of time, you've subjected yourself
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to an outside source
that then changes the expression of your genes,
either turns them on or off,
and that's how you end up with disease
most of the time. So yeah.
And and by the way Mhmm. If you
people in the room or you can text
in questions or comments, Gabrielle has a wealth
of information.
And the number is (541)
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661-4098.
And thanks to Gabrielle, I had you said
you hadn't heard of it Mhmm. Released Mhmm.
For a while. Well, I never heard of
it until talking to you and did a
little research.
It's been around longer than I thought. Mhmm.
Now the name I came up with was
a Conrad
Waddington
Mhmm. Who apparently coined the term in 1942.
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Mhmm. So it's been around at least that
long. Yeah. I think it's been around, but
but but it but it's also been considered,
in the medical jargon as
junk science for a long time. We Yeah.
Because, you know, but that You can't see
that under a microscope, so it's something like
this.
And and we always like to follow the
money, you know, somebody who's probably not but
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not seeing how they could benefit from it
or I don't know. Right?
You know, when they talked about,
you know, our DNA, you know, only about
one to 2% of human DNA codes for
protein because we have what's called
an an,
noncoding DNA, which is what changes. That's that's
the part that does change. And so we
have the remaining DNA plays a regulatory role.
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I think, like switches, dimmers, timing controls that
influence
when and how genes are expressed.
The epigenetic
mechanism primarily acts here. So, you know, the
turning on and off of genes,
that that sounds like jeans for pants. I
meant jeans.
She's got good genes. Have you seen that
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one? Yeah. Yeah. We got some really good
genes. But why gene expression matters is because
influencers like stress response,
sleep, mood, immune function, inflammation,
and disease risk, all of this is part
of why epigenetics
matters. Right? It shapes the baseline of the
nervous system tone and its reactivity.
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It does not determine the destiny,
but it does
set operational conditions
for how we function. Right? Yeah. Wouldn't this
would it be part of, like, biology?
Going wrong there, but it kinda sounds like
I don't we it may at some point,
I would think. But right now, we don't
have the ability to study
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cells at that that level. But okay. There
are some new studies now, and I've done
some studies with mice. One particular study said
they did mice are most closely related to
humans, I guess, in terms of how they
react to certain things.
But what they've done is they they took
a scent,
and they,
they would have the pregnant
mouse, you know, get they would give her
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the scent, and then it would stimulate her
with something that she didn't like, like a
pain response or, you know, whatever the noise,
whatever it was.
And then
when the mice were the baby mice were
born, even though they had never
smelled the smell, when exposed to that smell,
they would have a similar reaction. You know?
And so that you know, those are some
of the tests that are being run now.
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And now we're doing human trials,
where they're starting to really link all of
this together.
So biology, obviously, because we you know, somewhere,
I would think, has a play in it.
Yeah. How our bodies react to Right.
Something like that.
Aromatherapy,
do you include that in your practice?
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Well, I would say aromatherapy in the sense
I I sage,
but, you know, with this thing. I would
say We hit talking. I have not personally
done it, but I would think, you know,
I mean, open to anything. It's not something
I have in my repertoire right this minute.
But, yeah, I'm always look willing to take
a look at that. You know? So
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absolutely.
So the but the the biggest thing that
I see with epigenetics
is what it promises
for us
in terms of what we might be able
to do when it comes to getting better.
Right? Because, ultimately,
the key We're all striving for that, I
believe. Yeah. And and also,
not just getting better, but also getting better,
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not necessarily with just,
pharmaceutical medications. Right? So it we we have
both. We we we we wanna make sure
we have
everything, all the tools,
but I don't know. But I would assume
maybe our listeners too, and I know most
of us
are
would rather not have to take a a
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bunch of pills. We wanna learn how can
we heal ourselves
on a natural path. Right? How do we
how do we do it? Whether that's with
food, whether that's with sound, whether that's, you
know, you know, something else other. And what
we're learning is with epigenetics that we can
reverse conditions or get better, you know, over
time. There's still therapy involved and things we
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have to do to change it. But we
can impact just as as epigenetics can
negatively impact us. The same is true for
the opposite.
But first, you have to know it before
you can address it. Right. So and And
you're talking about preaching to the choir. I
had my appointment with my doc just a
few days ago. Mhmm. And that was one
of my I'm I take a lot of
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pills at this stage in my life. Mhmm.
And I am getting better in certain ways,
and that was my top question when I
saw her. I said, can I get off
of some of these meds? Mhmm. And I
was able to get
counseling with her. I was able to get
off of three and got a lot more
to go. Mhmm. But, yeah, it's just and
we are a pill popping,
especially we seniors, I think.
(28:06):
Oh, there's so many things affected to where
one interacts
with the other beyond what would be in
the it might be a very slight
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, medicinal
medicine and the way that the FDA, for
example, approves
medications or gets medications through their cycle,
is it's it's specifically
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to one part of let's say you have
lung cancer, then they're gonna go, this is
for lung cancer. Right? And then let's say
there's breast cancer. Well, we'll go for breast
cancer.
But what is not done is actually looking
at the whole entire system, and so they
isolate. And what is missed in most of
these clinical trials is all the other things
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that are part of before the cancer starts.
Yeah.
And so there was a doctor Brashinsky years
ago,
and, he had,
found that in cancer patients, there was a
specific protein
missing.
And
when he started to study this protein and
he was able to
inject that back into people,
(29:08):
that that would help people get better. He
actually had some of the first cure rates
of cancer and brain cancers.
Long story short, you know, they really disparaged
him, put out bad data and, because he
didn't play with the pharmaceutical industry. Oh, I
think that's Yeah. He wanted he stayed on
his own. But one of the things so
they took everything. They went. They took all
the
(29:29):
research studies away from him and
and all the stuff. And he's in Houston
right next to the Anderson Clinic, but he
was smarter than that. And his son actually
went into medicine. He's retired now.
But what he ended up doing, he he
still provided similar treatments, but what he did
is he took all of the FDA approved
medications, like, from different and he started to
put together cocktails
because he said, you know, they only they
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go over here for breast cancer, over here
for this cancer, but what they're missing is
that actually by
looking at things together, you can mix things
together and have the same results. So he
still had the highest cancer cure rates because
he would approach from this aspect. But you
still don't hear a lot about him. But
if you're willing if you're any of the
listeners wanna Google doctor Brzezinski,
and in in Houston, Texas,
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there's a lot of information. I think the
first thing that you'll see is,
bad information because that's what they want you
to see. Yeah. But dig through it. There
are some movies out there that's really interesting.
Research
it all. Research it all. But it really,
goes to the root of
how we treat
and how we study
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and how we FDA approved medications. That's why
you end up with so many different medications.
Because instead of Well looking at the entire
system, it's this, it's this. Oh, you have,
you know, high blood pressure, we'll give you
this. Oh, you have anxiety, we'll give you
this. Or, you know, this in the body
isn't right, so you need a pill for
that. And, you know, ultimately, that's not necessarily
how it needs to be done, but that's
how how they do it. Right. So. And
(30:55):
we are halfway through, so I just wanna
give the let everybody know you're listening to
KCIW
LP
one hundred point seven FM here in beautiful
Brookings, Oregon.
And,
and I wanna the Wait wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Oh, Go ahead, Ray. Oh,
we gotta give the phone a long time.
Has replied to your tech line again. Chopping
(31:16):
at the bit to say, oh, yeah. It's
not overflowing yet. It's (541)
661-4098.
And you know what? It's easy to bad
mouth the pharmaceutical, which I do. We we
do. Mhmm. And but there's a way of
working together. But Oh, yeah. You know, watching
and I try not to watch I don't
have a TV now, but when I'm watching
if it's commercial TV over somebody,
(31:37):
the the amount of pharmaceutical
commercials
every day, it's like they have they change
them every week, just put a different name
on them. And I think it's just not
a good place to go. I I love
the side effects. Oh, it's gonna sound. Well,
yes. Oh my god. Suicidal thoughts, anal leaking,
just all this shit. I know. It
(31:58):
is crazy. Well, I always what what hits
me with that is is, like, they always
say it in the happiest voice. Yes. And
everybody's dancing there. The guys mowing the lawn
have them dancing and singing.
I've never,
mowed the lawn and danced. So I remember
this commercial, Vesicare. Do you remember the Vesicare
commercial with the with the tubing and the
pipes? You know, it's it's actually, you know,
kidney thing. Right? And bladder thing. Right?
(32:20):
And and then it was, like, all the
side effects, and then it goes,
oh, and death.
And, oh, and it's basically
and my doctor, you know, I was I
went to the doctor, you know, women, we
have this thing at night. We get get
up at night to go pee. Right? And
my doctor says to me one day, she
goes, you know, we can fix that. I
said, with what? He goes, Vesakir. I said,
that's alright. I'll go pee. I don't need
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to die for that. You know? Yeah. I
mean, the side effects are worse than the
cure. You you listen to it all the
time. You know? You I I always
why
would I watch a commercial to to see
what my to ask my doctor about something?
Mhmm. I would think I'd go to my
doctor and say I got this. They know
what to give me. I don't have to
ask them Yeah. To prescribe this one because
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I That's what you would do. I've talked
to doctors. People absolutely do that and frequently
insist on getting,
getting that prescription. Well and that's why people
end up also on a lot of meds,
and that's why, you know, doctors prescribe as
much because, of course, in this country too,
there's a lot of this this very litigious
malpractice and whatever. A few Big white when
(33:22):
doc when you come to a doctor and
you tell this doctor this is the medication
I want, even though he might tell you
no, no, no, and you continue to insist,
he'll give it to you just because he
doesn't wanna be sued.
Well right. And and and then That aspect,
you know, so for sure. Yeah. Then then
there's the other thing too that if you
go to the doctor,
the patient might feel, well, he didn't do
anything because he didn't prescribe a drug. So
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you get a Mhmm. An antibiotic or something
that you prescribe that you don't necessarily Transactional.
Right. So in the and we are trained,
and I have to point to here because
I'm originally from Europe, and I've seen other
modalities
of medicine being and treatment. But it is
this transactional, I need to walk away with
something. If I'm coming to you, I need
something, either a prescription for whatever. Right?
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And,
and if not, you didn't do your job.
So yeah. So The United States consumes
the the 56%
of all medicines produced, and this is maybe
dated. This this is information I read a
while ago, but at the time, it was
56% of all medications produced in the world.
It sounds about right. You know? And
but I mean, I We're number one.
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Yeah. Number one in taking place.
And and so what this is about when
I bring in this epigenetics
is really to show to and we're gonna
get deeper. This is just the beginning of
of scratching the surface here. But what and
how does it impact and what can we
do
to,
heal
naturally,
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prevent disease. And so the the epigenetic piece
is kind of like a you can you
search for the root,
and then you back into treatment, whether that's
cognitive behavioral therapy for
a depression, ADHD,
or whatever,
or whether it is treating the body
that has has has a disease. But it
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is always going to be super important to
understand that epigenetic
piece so
our treatment can be affected
better
and even more targeted. So Dan may be
more targeted even with medications because we get
to the root more. What would be the
the the thing that could happen in somebody's
life that would cause them to say, have
heart trouble later on. I if I'm understanding
(35:31):
your epigenetics,
something my grandmother did or my mother Mhmm.
Affected something in my body that gave me
a bad heart.
So in many in so one of the
things that we talk about, when we talk
especially about heart problems
is, when you've had a,
difficult relationship with parents, one parent. So what
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they've done, they've done some studies and they've
come up that if you had a
issue with one parent, then you might have,
you have a fifty percent chance
of getting having serious illnesses such as heart
disease,
high blood pressure,
anything of that nature, kidneys, whatever, you have
a fifty percent chance of having that. When
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you've had a difficult relationship with both of
your parents, it's a hundred percent.
I fall into that category.
So that's one of one thing that we
we we see. Now why we have maybe
a relationship with that parent, I don't know.
But that's specifically targeted when you asked me
about HEART. That was one study that I
can point to. In terms of
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what it
what specific event could be that might have
happened,
to your family?
I mean, in your family tree,
you could you could ask the question,
you know, has anybody
had heart disease, or has anybody had an
ailment or an incident or something, you know,
kind of a You're not looking for the
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hereditary
No. I'm looking for event of something. Yeah.
Something that happened that then changes the actual
gene expression. That's what we're talking about. It's
the it's not the gene itself, but how
the gene expresses itself and even generationally down
down the line. Okay. So somebody's had an
event that that caused them to have
heart disease
later on. Mhmm. And so what do you
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do about that? So when the so basically,
what happens the other in the sperm or
the egg, that memory is transferred to the
offspring, they think, up to three generations. Well,
now you have the knowledge,
then we have to take a look and
see how to reverse that. You know? What
what is the heart disease too? Because there's
different types of heart disease. Right? I mean,
we have, you know, yeah, artery. We have
this. We have that.
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And how do you then, you know, heal
that? You know, definitely work with a medical
professional. In some cases,
it's probably going to be traditional medication.
Not that well versed. I'm not a doctor
either. But at least we we can we
have a trace we have a trace route.
Now,
when you're already in the situation that you're
not well,
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then,
you know, what I talk like to talk
about is put together a a care team.
I certainly found myself not well.
Two years ago, almost two years ago, when
I first got on the road and I
traveled, I went to the dentist and got
my teeth cleaned. I had a broken tooth,
whatever. Oh, no. I tried to get my
teeth cleaned. And they wouldn't do it. And
they wouldn't do it because my blood pressure
(38:19):
was high Oh. All of a sudden. It
came out of nowhere. I didn't know what
happened. Right? And I never had high blood
pressure and all this stuff, and then all
of a sudden, it it came
about. Now there are many reasons
why that could happen.
And sometimes it's other things too, hormonal changes
or whatever. Mhmm. But
I kinda fought traditional medicine. I didn't wanna
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take blood pressure medication, you know, because I
was reading the side effects. They said,
well, you can have a stroke.
And and if you don't take it, you
could also have a stroke.
So
I have always had every side effect known
to man, so I opted not to have
a stroke, not to take
it. But I also worked with a medical
professional when I got to Brookings. Only in
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the last,
well, I turned 60. You found one of
those in Brookings? Yeah.
This is a lovely place to live if
you're not sick.
Well, no. Actually, but I found a good
medical professional here. Actually, she is, she's a
women's health nurse practitioner, Rebecca Meek. I'll just
go ahead and say her name.
And,
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at this point, I got I turned 62,
and I decided I'm going to take a
look and see what's going on because I
had heard that possibly hormonal changes can also
cause high blood pressure. So
but what I've come to, it's not just
any one thing going back to that.
I had recently put together an entire
care team. So I'm working with her and,
and then I'm also with a therapist.
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I myself
get into sound healing. I take sound healing
from others. I do it myself, but it's
different when you do it yourself and when
you're actually a receiver.
Getting
out of my own self.
Could I clarify one thing before we go
on? I didn't mean to say
that
the doctors or the clinicians here were not
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good. They're as good as any place. Just
don't have enough of them. Oh, no, no.
I understand. Oh, and I wasn't taking it
that way. I think we that no. We
don't have a lot here. I mean, going
on the dentist, and I found a good
one. You know? I just got an appointment
with my cardiologist
for July. Oh, wow.
And that cardiologist is where? In Medford. I
could go to Medford probably and and and
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and and move that up to June or
something. Yeah.
Sometimes they they'll come here once every month
or so. Yeah. Yeah. Or I mean, I
have the same thing. Mhmm. Before I forget,
Gabrielle, you I wanted to real quick that
you talked I know you have the European
background, which is great. Could you because it's
been a while since you've been back there,
I guess. Or Yeah. Actually, I haven't been
(40:46):
back,
since 2022,
I think it was last time. Well, that's
I was gonna ask you to do it,
if you could, a quick comparison between the
medical,
medical
things Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Back there compared to
how how the this country does it. Well,
there's I mean, that's a pretty broad brush.
Yeah. But
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well, for for one, we have,
you know,
universal health care. Right? When we have really
good health care in a sense. I mean,
I wouldn't say it used to be better
when I grew up there. Everything was a
100%
covered. And then Okay.
Then,
they took a little bit of the American
model and did some splitting of, you know,
which was Well you know, whatever. It happens.
(41:27):
But in terms of,
treatment,
very much,
very much
still very interested in
doing things holistically.
Food source, you know. God. I'm glad nutrition.
Nutrition. You mentioned that. Yes. It's huge. You
know? Yeah. And and just the foods
that you get from the farm to the
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table,
you know, the the quality and what's it's
just different. So it starts just with that.
You know? So when when you think about
food as medicine, by the way Oh, wait.
You know, the body can heal with the
right amount of food. So that's where functional
health comes in. Right? Yeah. So how do
we support us? So that's a big part.
There's just more,
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it really is more towards the holistic side.
It doesn't mean we don't obviously have chemo
and all the treatments as well. Absolutely, 100%.
But there's definitely always a part where we're
looking at what can we do, you know,
sleep better, eat better, walk. That's another huge
thing, a proper amount of sleep. I know
a lot of people that aren't getting
good sleep at all. Right. And
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that's and they're all seniors and Mhmm. It
could be a problem. It is a problem.
And it probably can and it links back
to, you know, all sorts of things, you
know, whether you're taking lots of medications that
keep you up at night or whatever the
case may be. But yeah. So all of
that is so when a doctor sits down
and talks to you, asks a lot of
questions. What I've noticed okay. What is the
difference? When I go to a doctor here
(42:55):
anymore well, my I can't say this practitioner
because she's
wonderful. She's just different. But generally speaking, if
I go to a doctor, they don't ask
me, how do I sleep? How do I
eat? You know? What do I do for
myself? Do I have any problems at home?
You know? The the impolatory regular GP, that's
not even it. Right? It's like, oh, you're
hurting or you have high blood pressure. You
have this. You know? They kinda go, oh,
(43:17):
and here's a medication for that. But, actually,
why
this is is this happening? Or those questions
are not being asked. Right? What happened to
you? Why why is this going on? Those
questions
are rarely ever asked. And that's probably one
of the biggest differences that I would see
is just how the the the actual questions
that are being asked
by the providers.
They they might ask you, how is your
(43:38):
relationship with your husband and wife? Right? And
you might go, why do I why do
I need to tell you that? But guess
what? If you're in a stressful relationship with
your partner, if you have trouble at home,
if you're miserable,
that is 100%
where we go to the epigenetics,
Prolonged trauma. That is trauma.
That has an effect on the body. 100%
(43:59):
is how your genes can change. When you're
talking
about
cancers, for example Yeah. 100
many times, you can look at stress factors
that really would be the cause for that.
Right? Yeah. So when treatment happens for cancer,
right, we we know this, that the people
that are positive thinking, you know, whatever, have
a better outcome than those that aren't. Again,
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why is that? Because everything is linked. So
the that is
the thought process, the epigenetics, the continuous
implantation is how the gene can then either
express positively
or negatively.
Well, I'm glad to hear that epigenetics
does cover all I mean, the nutrition is
a big part of that. Mhmm. And one
(44:44):
little thing that I I noticed also with
people that I've known that have had trouble
it's pretty simple, but it's hydration
Mhmm. Water. Mhmm.
We're we're pretty prone to
think I was raised on Pepsi,
and,
I'm serious, man. It was that my house
we were all known. Hey. Come over to
the McNabbard. We'll have Pepsi. Mhmm. But, anyway,
(45:06):
I finally got off of that stuff. That
stuff's addictive, man.
It is.
Some friends of mine recently have had a
couple trips to the hospital. Why? Because they
were not hydrated. Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. So Oh,
yeah. Well, yes. Thing like keeping
keeping hydrated with regular water, I guess, is
where I was. Right. Water is it well,
I mean, when you think about sodas in
particular, high sugar, you know, all that sort
(45:27):
of thing. Or if you do diet, if
you think about it, diet sodas. Right? We
think I think they're even Oh, they're worse.
They're worse. No. No. I was in a
park one time, and there was a woman
with a baby in a a stroller.
And she was filling up one of those
sippy cups Mhmm. With
Coke Classic to give to the kids.
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But at the time, I had stock in
Coca Cola. And I said, right on, baby.
So you were all nutty oriented. Yes. Why
not?
No. But then I wasn't gonna do anything
to save that kid's life, so I might
as well make a buck on them. Okay.
Okay.
Well, there is a I I randomly read
a lot of different white papers, whatever. But
here's another one, for example.
Right now, there is an increase
(46:10):
of colon and intestinal
problems
for people born in the nineties. Right? So
anyone
right. Didn't know that. Right. So what was
the difference? What's the difference, eighties, nineties, whatever?
What happened? Right?
When
this is just my
interpretation
of after I've read a bunch of things
(46:30):
and going back to the epigenetic piece. But
that's really when we started to see
a lot of processed
a lot of baby foods being conveniently served
in two plastic tube. Everything is Oh. Prepackaged,
squeeze it out.
We're talking colon cancer. I mean, people are,
you know, born in 1990, 1993. And I
(46:51):
didn't know that. But that makes kinda Google
it. Look it up. It's it's a fact.
And my opinion is simply that because
those babies
had been exposed to microplastics,
all of the different things that are in
the packaging
Wow. If I remember correctly, a baby can
eat anything we eat
(47:11):
if you run it through a processor or
something. Not you know? Right. They can eat
real food. Yeah. Make you cook your cook
your own and and and just don't put
any salt and pepper on it and and
put it through the ring in your window
little and they can't, you know, chew yet.
But, yes, I mean, make your own if
you know, I'm not saying there are there's
not good baby food. There is. But if
you can,
(47:31):
you know,
buy fresh and try to try to do
it yourself. But and still, I look now.
I see the moms, and I I pay
attention because I'm studying this. I'm so into
this epigenetic thing and what's going on. And
and I'm looking at it. I said, I
see this girl the other day, the lady
the other day, and she had one of
those things. She's squeezing it out of the
tube. And I'm thinking, I know the packaging
(47:52):
is better now, but still so
right there,
we know. And, again, Google it and find
out there's a huge
you know, the the greatest,
right now that they see cancers in in
people in their thirties.
And
that's,
in my opinion, that's that's where where we
need to look because
the exposure to all of those things.
(48:14):
Again, epigenetic event means something
over time
will affect you, and then
the genes will express differently. And it either
turns on the gene or turns off the
gene. And when it turns it on to
the wrong thing, this is what you get.
You know, you've mentioned microplastic.
We've done a couple of shows on that.
I think that,
(48:35):
that's a problem that I I hope and
I think we need to get under control.
Mhmm. And
as we're as I'm drinking right from our
plastics, I mean Well but Yeah. But,
it's it's really a a horrific problem. And
we've talked about it where they're finding the
microplastics
at the bottom of the Mariana Trench in
(48:56):
a fish or something like Mhmm. There's just
it's yeah. We're too
convenient, I suppose. Well, we didn't no. I
don't think you know, and and in in
the defense of industry or whatever, I think
we evolved as humans. Right? The industrial revolution.
Well, sure. We discovered something. We'd found that
plastics are great. We had good things with
plastics. I mean, you think about surgeries. Right?
I mean, we have sterile environments in which
(49:17):
we can cut people open, and 80% of
the stuff that's being used to keep it
sterile are plastics. Right? Oh my god. You
see and and and and disposable. And disposable.
Right. Even that, when you get when you
get, blood pressure taken, the the band is
disposable.
Yeah. Yeah. So but so, you know, so
in in defense of science and ex you
know, as humans as we evolve, I don't
(49:38):
think
we we knew it. Right? I mean, I
don't know that every that those things were
became about
and immediately people knew that it was something
bad and they were just pushing it. The
problem is once they understood it's something bad,
they never corrected or tried to do different
or at least slow to change. Yeah. And
covering up a lot of the stuff and
to continue being,
(49:58):
what am I trying to say, bad Yeah.
About it. But you're right about where it
goes back working to get a compromise. I
don't know how you wanna say it. Mhmm.
Yeah. But it's again, back to epigenetics.
It's kind of using
Mhmm. Both rules, if I will. Yeah. Well,
one more thing on the food thing. For
example, in Europe, you start to see these
grocery stores pop up that don't have any
(50:19):
packaging.
Everything is in bulk, and you go in
and you buy all your products and then
maybe a paper bag you walk out with
or you have a reusable or whatever. Yeah.
But they literally have stores now where there's
no
plastics, no it every like, you know, the
foods are loose, and you
you buy them in bulk or you buy
what you need,
and then it's packaged in whatever paper bag
(50:41):
or whatever
for that very reason. You know? You know?
We we we go to, Rick and Mike
and and we go to a,
an environmental meeting once a month from SoCAT.
And it's depressing sitting there while he's telling
you everything that's going on. But in the
back of my mind, I said, but wait
a minute. It's the whole rest of the
world that's doing it better than we are.
(51:02):
Mhmm. For instance, I learned years ago that
in Germany, and you can probably back it,
it's illegal
to sell
tooth toothpaste in a cardboard box. Mhmm. You
take the tube and put it in the
cardboard box, put it on the shelf, and
then take it home and throw it's just
wasteful. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Less packaging. You know?
(51:22):
It's terrible packaging. Yeah. We try not to.
And and Buy a toothpick from,
from Amazon. You'll be throwing away
wrapping and Oh my god. Plastic for months.
Every time you get a package from Amazon,
you wonder what? Sometimes I get something small,
it comes in a big box, and I'm
like, what is all this packaging in here?
I think well, would I just order a
(51:43):
stereo system and then it's, like you say,
a thing of toothpicks or something? It's just
crazy. No. Yeah. Because the thing is when
you when you open the Amazon box, it's
already in a box that's in plastic and
ready to ship.
Why can't they just put a label on
that instead
of putting it into their own box? Yeah.
I'm sure they would if they could because
that box isn't free to them. Yeah. They
(52:03):
have to buy that.
Well, when you put that's another thing, probably
could save money. Right? With less cost if
we didn't have so much packaging, you know,
to bring bring bring that down. Right? So
over over the over the time and over,
you know There was there was a thing
on the news this morning about,
the town that
that, what a wonderful life was
(52:25):
patterned after. It wasn't that town, but it
has all the same the bridge and the
all that same stuff.
And A little homey stuff.
And it's oh, what a lovely place it
is, and then they back the camera off.
And at the edge of the town, there's
a huge
dump. Mhmm. And that's off gassing all the
time, and
(52:46):
they're looking at expanding the dump. So No.
Not not such a wonderful life maybe there.
Well, Gabrielle,
back to the
Epigenetics. Thank you. It's hard to say. Just
found out. Yeah. But, and and we've mentioned
meditation
being part of the, quote, healing. Mhmm. Mhmm.
(53:07):
What
and does religion, spirituality
come into play? It must because you're gonna
have different,
pay what do I call? Not patients, clients.
Mhmm. Mhmm. You know? Well, I think for
any type of spiritual connection
to what I like to say, a higher
self or, you know, whatever, it it's it
it is a good it's personal. Yeah. But
(53:27):
I think so. It depends on the person,
you know. Spirituality
meditation,
absolutely. It's, you know, it it ties in.
And I see
that when I see people that are,
very religious too, you know, I can it's
it really is a a tool. Right? I
I think it's it's a helpful tool you
to to feel better and, you know, whether
(53:49):
one is religious or not. But, it talks
about in the Bible of,
generational trauma,
you know, the sins of our father through
our generations. So it's in there. I view
the book more of,
written by people. You know, they they were
the first in the know. And,
and I said they knew something. You know?
They observed it. They understood. You know? Somehow,
(54:11):
there's so it's not foreign. It's been around
forever. So it's somewhere in there, people understood
that there was this knowledge Yeah. And that
that happens. Well, it's kinda interesting. Like you
said, it just we talked about it. It
was back in the forties when this gentleman
Mhmm. Came up. But it's really still relatively
new to most. Well, the epigenetics
is new only because it wasn't it was
(54:33):
more dismissed
as being something that was useful
in healing or treatment or whatever. Right?
It was kind of acknowledged, but it wasn't
really,
it wasn't put to use, I would say.
Yeah. But you are you will hear the
words now more. If if you pay attention
to your news, if you're ever on the
you know, you'll start hearing,
diabetes, for example. I heard it not too
(54:54):
long ago. It was watching the news, and
and there was a doctor. I can't remember
his name. And he said and epigenetics. I
jumped up. I'm like, yes. You know? Wow.
Oh, now we know. Okay. But it's not
a secret. Right? If we understand what causes
diabetes, you know, it's that epigenetics.
But, you know, what the goal for me,
for example, is, you know, with the show
(55:14):
or with other things that we still don't
wanna talk about, is some of the
links from epigenetics,
I'm gonna jump into the next phase of
what I would like to talk about one
day, is ADHD.
And ADHD
is often diagnosed
or misdiagnosed,
but it's a big deal.
It really impacts people's lives from childhood all
the way to adulthood. It's directly tied to
(55:35):
epigenetics. And there's a lot to unpack there,
not for today. Okay. But,
that's kind of the lead in. Right? I
wanted to to share this information, and then
we can talk more about that. Well, great.
Because we are running out of time. I
mean, that's a bummer. I wish we had
another hour to go, but we should we
can arrange at some point. Yeah. Yeah. But
we'd love to have you. How about people
getting a hold of you? Okay. So Let's
go. The best way to get a hold
(55:56):
of me is through my website, and it's
just communicate
at myhumantribe.com.
And that is m I,
human tribe, not m y. Perfect. When I
founded the company in 2019, if everybody remembers,
you know, everybody's about the I with the
iPhone. You know? So There you go. And
so what I actually did when I spelled
it, it's m and then the I is
is small. Everything is a large cap except
(56:18):
the i's in the word, my human tribe.
That particular website is, needs to be updated
to reflect all of the things I do.
It has some,
dated information
on it, but it is the best way
to get a hold of me via email
because I respond to email the fastest. I
think that's you know, it's just the best
(56:38):
way to get a hold. And and how
long have you had the practice here in
town? I am just starting here. Right now,
I'm a mobile sound healer, which means I
come to you. I
am, on the coaching side. Just reach out
to me. I'm I'm I'm a trauma informed
coach. I've even, the sound healing that I
do, I I work with it from a
trauma aspect. It's very, very different.
(56:59):
I'm not very, very different, but I believe
a little bit different maybe. And, I like
to work with individuals on a one on
one because that's where the rubber meets the
road. Right. And, yeah. So that's that's a
great idea. Lucky enough to get you to
visit us today. Oh, yeah. So
yes. Yes. Well, no. I like to do
it forever. But but but one on one
is is really nice. If I can really
(57:20):
work with somebody one on one, I really
enjoy that a lot. Okay.
Mhmm. Alright. Well, y'all y'all have the information
to get a get ahold of Gabrielle.
And, boy, thank you for showing up, and
we got a lot more to talk about.
Yes. We do. You Yes. We do. Hope
you'll be back. I would love to be
back. As a matter of fact, I'm devouring
several more books on the topic. I continue
(57:41):
to educate myself. I work with NIH and
several others. I'm just really putting together
a plan and more education,
palatable, will be on my website in the
future too that everybody can grab. But there's
so much more to come come that I
can share, and I'm excited to do so.
Awesome. And I do believe maybe I'm not
I shouldn't I can share it. You I
think you're talking about hopefully doing a show
(58:01):
on our radio Yes. Yes. For one of
the your own show. I would love to.
I would love to. And I'm also very
excited if we can, you know, take this
further and,
you know, and to really develop
a a show and maybe even a YouTube
or whatever. Yeah. I'm all in. Alright. That's
great. We're
down to 30. Thirty seconds. Can I can
(58:22):
I sign us out? You sign us out.
Hey. I'm gonna sign us out with a
little bit of a sign out. Us out.
No better way. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
(58:42):
you for having me. KCIW
LP one hundred point seven FM here in
beautiful Brookings, Oregon.
Thank you. Lots of love.
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