July 23, 2025 • 59 mins
This episode of Curry Café, hosted by Ray Gary and Rick McNamer, explores a range of current topics, including the Epstein case and its potential to fracture Trump’s MAGA base, media manipulation, and societal issues like the decline of public education and environmental crises. The discussion highlights President Trump’s false claims, the MAGA movement’s internal […]
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Now here's Ray to tell us about today's
show. Hi. Well, today's show is not exactly
what I had planned. I I thought we
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were gonna sit around and discuss the end
of salmon season.
But I was kinda out of order because
it seems like everybody else wants to talk
about some other thing in the news. I
don't know.
So we will go around the table, and
each of us will introduce ourselves and
say why they don't wanna talk about salmon.
Thank you, Ray.
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I'm Candice Michelle. I'm the host of our
community
and,
volunteer here at KCOW, and I don't wanna
talk about the end of salmon season because
I didn't know it even started. So it
must be one day long or something. So
I I only know because I was at
the the trivia thing the other night, and
Laurie was showing a picture of, Joey's
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Yeah. 26 pound salmon, and she said it
was the last day. Oh. So that's what
that's that's everything I know. I was hoping
somebody else would have enlightened me more. Obviously,
I missed it. Was it a good salmon
season? A bit anyway.
Hi.
No. I'm not actually, but
hi, anyhow.
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Mike Gore's here. Sam Enchanted Evening sounds like
the other night. Oh, no. Wasn't there. That
was nice. Sam Enchanted. Lot of dad jokes
here. Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. There we go.
Alright.
So So? You're gonna introduce yourself to me?
Well, I'm in my course. I'm I'm the
you never know what's gonna come out of
me. Right? Well, that that's the whole point.
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And I've already introduced myself, so I'll pass
it to Today today, the subject is the
current state of the world.
It almost feels like another our community, doesn't
it? That sounds kind of yeah. Very similar
similar. Right. Similar vibe.
Yeah. But we're live. We can't We are
live. So I can't say that. Language on
this. Bad words. Yeah. Okay.
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I don't know what to talk about first
here. The the the thing I kinda got
got hit with yesterday or the day before
was just
although in the grand scheme of things, it's
kind of a small thing, but
how can this guy
go on television or go to go he
evidently was doing some
supposed to do a talk about,
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AI
It must have run out of material because
it went from AI to talking about
his well worn out,
uncle who was a
professor at MIT for fifty years or more.
He was the longest serving professor ever at
MIT.
And he said they were talking one day,
and he said that the, the Unabomber was
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one of his students.
And,
Trump then asked him, well, well, what kind
of a student he was? And they chatted
a little bit about about that. So I
said, well, okay. That's a real nothing burger,
but so what? Well, the so what was
it turns out that,
Trump's uncle died 10 before
the Unibar the Unibomber
went to college,
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and he didn't go
to MIT. He went to Harvard.
Okay. So just more of the nonsense
bit. Why? It's a it's a nonsense lie.
Mhmm. And did he is I mean, what's
in this guy's brain that he thinks that
I could just go on there and say
anything I want, and nobody will ever fact
check me, and I'll never hear about it
again. But isn't that the truth?
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Nobody ever fact
certainly no reporters fact checked. Well, it was
fact checked when I saw it. Yeah. But
But it is fact. And I shouldn't have
said fact check. It's it becomes of no
note whatsoever. Right. Nothing.
I mean, it's just And it certainly doesn't
matter to the MAGA base. It does not
matter. If you're gonna tell a lie, why
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do you tell a lie that has absolutely
no there's no reason to tell it? It
didn't in any way,
you know, make him
look That would assume that he knows the
difference
between a lie and the truth. That's right.
That's right. That's right. He probably right there.
Yeah. He cannot tell the truth. I mean,
he just says whatever comes into his head,
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there's no filter between his brain and his
mouth. It's there are millions of people who
voted for him and will vote for him
again, I guess. I know. I know. In
spite of the fact that he is a
34
time felon.
Twice impeached. And twice impeached. Yes. Three times
married. Yeah. Like, wow.
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Yeah. Yeah. With over, I think, over two
dozen women who, you know,
have
accused him of sexual assault. Mhmm. He's had
to pay millions of dollars. And that too.
Yeah. And that too. And, again, we could
go on and on. And that is He's
just a jerk. Yeah. He's not a jerk.
Who?
I know. Whatever. I don't know. Yeah.
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So so I think that the the big
news,
is the Epstein
stuff. Definitely an elephant in the room there.
I mean, Epstein Colbert as far as I'm
concerned. Yes. Okay. Colbert is also a big
deal. And sixty minutes to that. They acquiesced
and gave him some money. I I was
like, I still can't believe that. But a
big part of my night was watching the
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Colbert show that I recorded the night before.
And now soon, it will no longer be,
but I don't think he's out. He may
be down, but he's not out. In fact,
I think he'll come back like the phoenix
and and be better than ever.
Yeah. I believe that too. Yeah. So so
the Epstein thing.
The the reason why
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I think
the Epstein
issue is important
is because it appears to be the first
real crack
in the wall
of the MAGA base.
They they have a first Isn't it? Time,
they are
pissed.
You know,
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the the the the thing that that they
seem to wanna jump on most is is
pedophiles.
Hillary is a pedophile. Lee's a pedophile. And
all these people if you wanna say something
really bad about the opposition person, they're a
pedophile. So, no. Wait a minute. Hold it.
This is
we have a pedophile.
We found a pedophile and a wood file.
It is awful. I mean, that this horrible
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thing.
You know, you don't you don't do that
to children. Well, and it's crazy, and
it's Jerry Springerish as as this whole thing
has become,
the actual act the horrible act of the
pedophilia
has almost been kind of forgotten in the
past I know. Over all this other hoopla.
Of what it's all about. Yeah. Well, in
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you you think about the victims, there were
scores of them.
I think they they estimated something like a
thousand
girls that Epstein trafficked in his
career.
Right. You know, one thing I'll say for
Trump, if he was there and if he
was messing around with any of these girls,
he had the good sense not to take
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a picture of them like the prince or
whatever the hell he is from England.
That's not true. He's got his arm around
About an Epstein, but not around the teenagers.
No. He's there are some pictures. Got those
too. Oh, are there? I have only those.
Yep. Yep. The videos are gonna be the
thing that tell the story here. I think
so too.
Yeah. I mean, that you know,
they they obviously
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had a relationship. Trump and Epstein were, like,
best friends according to really both of them.
Yeah. Here's here's Each of them individually.
Because
for what it's worth, interesting thing,
we have now said his name twice. You
said it once. You said it once.
And in the first
eight minutes of the show, we used he
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Mhmm.
And everybody knew. Yeah.
So
Yeah. Is that like when a I wanna
tell a preacher refers to him?
Well, perhaps.
Interesting.
I always say answer to him. I was
listening very closely, and I heard a a
whole bunch of he's from
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Mhmm. All of us, and nobody had said
his name until you said it for the
first time, Ray, and then you backed him
up. And it was funny because it was
eight minutes into the show Yeah. And first
time you hear his name. Is that a
good thing that I was first? Yeah. Was
that No. It's not a bad thing. Okay.
I just don't wanna damage my reputation as
a famous radio personality by doing
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bad things on the radio. So I noticed
that,
they showed clips
of some of the far right wing
hosts,
including Nick Fuentes, who does a podcast. Person,
but yes. Yes. Right? Right. But but they
are, like, screaming
into their microphones and into the camera
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about
how awful
Trump
is because he is covering
up the, you know, this whole deep state
thing, which is, you know, what the MAGA
base
believe
believed and also believes
that there's this deep state that is all
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about
taking advantage of children, pedophilia,
you know, all of the Exactly. Yeah. Right?
And The worst boogeyman. And it seems like
I mean, what what Trump got elected on,
large part to his base was that he
was going to unmask this deep state. He
was gonna go after them. He was gonna
hold them accountable.
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Of course, he assumed
or inferred that they were all Democrats.
Duh. Yeah.
But
that was why he that was certainly a
large
part of the vote for him. Mhmm. And
now, you know, for him to just say,
oh, no. There's nothing there's nothing to see
here. Let's move on. They they can't his
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base is not doing well with that. I
think it's gonna come out that he
had invested in that pizza parlor too.
He was hoping to build the basement.
There we go. Yes.
No. It's it's just it's just awful. And
there was a, a story about the
the young woman,
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who just committed suicide,
like, back in April. She was,
she was trafficked, basically.
And,
and she was 16 at the time. By
Epstein?
By Epstein. Yeah. And Maxwell.
And, you know,
she couldn't finally, I mean, she was 41,
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so she lived a lot of years with
that
horrible memory.
What
why hasn't anybody offered Maxwell,
a pardon
in exchange for her? Or
is there something
there I don't know about? So I I
think,
I've I've heard some discussion about it, and
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I think that she's holding out
for,
for that pardon,
but
it has to get to a certain point
where
they are
like, he's not gonna offer her a pardon
right now because that is just way
too much. Okay? I mean, she she's in
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prison
twenty years, you know, blah blah blah.
And she has the names.
I mean, she has the names. So
if if he pardons her, it's gotta be
like as a last But it wouldn't be
I I I wouldn't think that Trump would
pardon her. Why would he do that? I'm
thinking that
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Who's Trump would pardon her? The prosecution offer
her a deal. Nobody. No. She's serving time.
She can't she's not gonna get a deal.
I mean,
she obviously is appealing it, but
I I think that she could jump up
and say, well, guys, I have some stuff
I wanna tell you if Yeah. And I
think that she has intimated
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that that is something that she is prepared
to do.
Congress could have her testify and pardon her,
create that pardon base. They could. They could.
They did it with Ollie North. Mhmm.
Mhmm. Oh, boy. Yeah. This wasn't a sad
enough morning, and now you have to bring
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him up.
I know. Well, I know. And there's so
much unknown. By the way, if, you all
out there wanna,
text in for a question or comment,
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And as far as the unknown still, you
know,
is there really in there isn't any, I
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don't think, concrete
evidence yet
to put
Trump with
put him with Epstein, but not at the
island,
the infamous island. Now that's as far as
I know. But we do have Trump on
on the video saying he's a really good
guy. I really like how you All of
that. He's a lot of fun. All of
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that. And he shares the love of beautiful
women except their lip on the on the
Yeah. On the One of the things I
saw in my research this morning, unfortunately, as
I was going out the door, I don't
know where it came from. But
supposedly, according to this little blip that I
saw, Epstein actually,
introduced Melania to Trump.
And the first time they ever slept together
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was on his plane.
Yeah. I had I had heard that or
read that story at one point as well.
Should should I say some kind of something
so we don't get sued for me saying
that? No. You can say you read it.
I mean Okay. Right? Alright. I mean, I
saw a picture,
and and it's all over the Internet of
Trump with his arm around Melania and
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Epstein with his arm around Maxwell. I mean,
it's they're right there Mhmm. Together. So, I
mean, it's I spend a lot more time
on the Internet looking at Model Ts than
I do Trump and the law. I don't
blame you.
And and so far, there was no Model
T involved in this scandal. We're clear.
And and, again, we're kinda talking so far
about
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believe me, I'm not trying to defend this
this horrible man. But a lot of the
stuff would you call it circumstantial evidence up
to this point
as far as putting him at the island,
being a pedophile,
a pedophile that
him and his MAGA crowd likes to
pin on everybody else.
I I I don't think there's any concrete
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proof that he was at the island, and
and, again, I think that that would be
in
the file that they won't release. Like, not
not the
stuff that went to the grand jury because
that has nothing to do with it. Right?
So, I mean, you know, opening up that
that file Oh, all that's doing is saying,
see, I'm releasing Yeah. Which is just nonsense.
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Yeah. So no. I mean, I to date,
I don't haven't seen anything that Sure. Definitively
proves he was at the island, but come
on. Well, again The guy had, like, a
some kind of a pageant
on his
on the
there was a ferry in New York City,
and they were out on the water, and
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there was a pageant
for young miss whatevers
in the
basement of the boat or the under the
boat. And,
you know, he he brags about how he
can go into the dressing rooms
while they're all naked because
he's the That was old knowledge there. That
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was teenage Miss America or something. Something like
that. It wasn't exactly that. He owned that
pageant. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why he could
walk in and wherever he would. Be on
the Howard Stern show, which should disqualify him
from being president in itself. But and brag
about how all these beautiful women with no
clothes on. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. So, I
mean,
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it's not
if he didn't go to the island,
he's still
dirty.
Oh. Yeah. We knew that before. Yeah. From
what I've read,
clearly, it's
on Facebook predominantly.
But from from what I've read,
some of the court documents
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talk about,
underage
ladies that were met
and trafficked out of Mar A Lago. Oh,
absolutely.
So it's not just the island. Right. And
the island, I've also read, had no airstrip.
So it's to to say on
on his plane, on Epstein's plane, is a
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bit of a misnomer.
I'm not sure. I wonder how they got
there.
Well but what was happening at the island
was the yachts would visit, and the helicopters
would fly in. Of course.
So,
that was where it Yeah. Because you're talking
about people with unlimited
money. Right? Yeah. So yeah. It doesn't
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yeah. It's appalling. It's it's just appalling. And
I think that, you know, the people
in that in his base who are
very vocal about,
you know,
grooming children and and I mean, they were
on the bandwagon
about our library here in Brookings about, you
know, because we had a couple of books
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that were on a shelf where
younger
readers could get at them or something. Incidentally,
those books were taken out of the,
Air Force Academy library.
The, what was it? Over 200 books or
something were taken out because they
expressed bad things or something except Mein Kampf.
Mein Kampf stayed. Oh, yeah. Because that's that's
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good stuff. The Jackie Robinson story was one
of them. Isn't that amazing?
Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Can't have that. The Air
Force Academy in Colorado Springs, and talking about
my people, I was in the Air Force
many, many decades ago, is pretty well known
for being,
very
white Christian evangelical
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Mhmm. With all
the cadets. It's We wanted to make sure
we didn't get any of them poisoned
with risky books. Yeah. I guess so. Just
facts. Pretty
yeah. Pretty sad, though. I think that So
By the way, before I forget,
if you wanna come on this show,
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or you
or I don't think we have too many
MAGA people listening, but if you know one
and
and
and you say, oh, he would like to
talk to those people,
have him get in touch with us. He
or she. Yeah,
he or she. And we would love to
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To wanting to be on there. And we
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what do we have? About three shows like
this. You can come on one of them.
Mhmm. Two.
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So I I read,
that
Trump has
initially instructed
Bondi
to only release credible information.
But now he's kind of,
broadened it a little bit.
But it's only
the,
documents that went to the grand jury. So,
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you know, there's not there's not anything there.
There's not it that's not what the base
is asking for. That's not what they're asking
for.
And it's not what he promised them. I
mean, in in his campaign promises, he was
very vocal about,
we will we're gonna get to the bottom
of this,
you know,
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blah blah blah blah blah. And now there's
will find that during the campaign, he may
have
lied? Oh, dear. No. Oh my god.
Boy, you are a cynic. I know.
I know. But but given that his base
this is one of their
issues
is protecting children. Yes. I I don't see
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how
I don't see how
this cannot
be
a huge impact
because he
there's only two options.
He either lied then
or he's lying now.
He either lied when he said, oh, there's
all this, you know, deep state and people
and, you know, we gotta get those files,
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or he's lying now when he says, yeah,
there's nothing there. But you have to protect
the cult leader.
Mhmm. Part of a cult is that he
can do no wrong and everybody
follows the cult.
I heard someone,
last night, I think,
on a on a talk show, and he
said it's it's a mistake
to call them
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a cult.
They may, in fact, have that kind of
tendency,
but he said
because he had been in that,
he said speaking as somebody who was in
on the inside, he said, it's much more
of a family. It's much more of a,
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not a cult, but a but a
and their
their neighbors, their friends, their family.
They nobody else understands them. They Just be
like the man. Connection.
Well, I mean, that taking it to an
extreme, but,
but it's that kind of thing.
You know how you feel when you're around
people who who see the world the way
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you do.
You feel at home. You feel
validated. Yeah. I can understand all that, but
when it gets to the point where,
the
the the leader or the person we're all
looking up can do no wrong,
I think that makes it a cult. Well,
I'm not saying More than a family. Yeah.
And I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just
saying that that's not the way they see
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themselves. Oh, of course. No. Sure. So if
if when you're talking to them,
you call them a cult,
you're not gonna get any,
you know, no there won't be any buy
in. Okay. Those diesel pickups are having. Yeah.
But you could if if maybe you talk
about
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the family aspect of it or how it
feels to be part of something bigger than
yourself,
which is the way they see it.
I'm I'm always looking for the way to
get in to have a conversation.
I don't think there's a way to get
in a conversation with the people that are
dug in that deep. That's just my opinion.
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I see it got it's even kind of
blending over nowadays into
Democrat, Republicans
absolutely hating each other. There's a few out
there that can get along,
but not many.
And
I really
do view
the deep I'll call it deep state MAGA
as a cult. Mhmm. I really do. I
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I I don't know percentages,
but, boy, they
there's
congresspeople,
senators
that will,
think of them, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren
Lauren Boebert, is it? Yeah. Those kinds of
people,
Matt Gaetz.
I'm not sure they actually believe
that. I think that they know that it's
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politically
expedient. I I would agree with that. Okay.
Yeah. Has Marjorie dropped
dropped away from the cult
from Trump a little bit with this? Isn't
she gone on the bandwagon against him as
well? She was very annoyed about Yeah. Yeah.
I have a feeling they're gonna come all
come back to him, though, soon no matter
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Yeah. That won't that won't be long. He'll
come up with some nonsense to replace what
they want.
Well and then And stay there. That's it.
Yeah. And So it all depends then on
people like Alex Jones
and Nick Fuentes
and Steve Bannon. Burke. Are they going to
keep saying,
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but you promised
us.
Your base is
pissed off. You promised.
If they keep saying that,
they've got an audience.
You kind of forgot Tucker Carlson
and,
What's his name? X Boy.
X Boy.
Oh, Musk.
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Elon Musk. Wasn't there some breaking news about
Elon Musk? Didn't you didn't you say something,
Michael? I have read something just before we
went on the air that he's threatening
to release
what,
apparently, he's called to be released and they
aren't releasing.
The, Epstein file. The Epstein files, suggesting that
he has them and is ready to drop
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them. Well, certainly, he has them. We understand.
All of his Doge boys have been in
there gathering
as much stuff as they possibly can ever
since they went in.
And all I would I I would say,
remember
what the classic
Washington
gaffe is,
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telling the truth.
Is
Forever,
the worst thing that you can do in
Washington
is utter a truth that everybody has agreed
should never be uttered,
such as,
when Hillary was trying to get health care
through in the early,
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Clinton era because she had been put in
charge of helping us shepherd in health care,
what eventually became Obamacare, what was
at every point the Republicans'
solution to health care in Massachusetts
with Romney
became Obamacare.
And Hillary,
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when she hit,
problems with getting that done, pointed out the
vast right wing conspiracy,
which involved
the federalists and the republicans
and Chuck Grassley and all them, rah rah
rah, all the same people that are haunting
still today.
And that was in the early nineteen nineties,
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and this is 02/2025.
It's the same human
beings Mhmm. Doing the same nonsense.
And Trump is new to the thing, but
the thing has been going on for much
longer than Trump.
I read somewhere where the it's basically started
with Reagan.
That's when it started
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like, the plan started to be
formulated. Mhmm. Well, that's when I understand it
to be. And I always felt the big
downer for Reagan, for me anyway, was he
was the one that really embraced Jerry Falwell
and the Moral Majority
and started to get in the
white Christian nationalists.
And that whole thing is tied to the
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far right, you know? Oh, gosh. Yeah. Because
that's the way that you control people. I
mean, it's, you know, obviously He goes to
Bob Jones University
and gives a talk to the students.
And
for for some reason or other, he mentions
the two Corinthians.
And and just a lot of nonsense that
made it very obvious. He knew nothing at
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all about the Bible. I probably know more
about the Bible than he did.
And the next day, Bob Jones University endorses
him. Oh, what a shock.
Again, surprise like Gohmert says, surprise, surprise, surprise.
Yeah. It just goes on. You know, Michael,
you said something about truth, and and I'm
sure this will irritate some people, but what
I and I don't remember who it was.
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Was it Hillary or Obama? Somebody said
the,
the right wing
like to embrace their Bibles and their guns.
Right. Mhmm.
I agreed with that. Mhmm. Not all, but
that I thought that was a truthful statement,
and that
just got
got whoever said it in a lot of
trouble, and I don't remember who it was
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now. I think it was, Obama. Yeah. Okay.
It was.
But we all know it's true. Something like
the old Idols and their guns. Yeah. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So I have an interesting little
just side thing that I wanna mention.
Ever since the election
in November,
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I I have had
a lot of trouble believing that Donald Trump
actually won.
Now I understand
that, you know, conspiracy
theorists and election deniers I mean, I get
it.
I think the right
poisoned that well, by the way,
in 2020.
(28:58):
I think that I think that there is,
growing
and credible evidence
that there was,
voter manipulation
in 2024,
and all you have to do is look
at the swing states
and look at
the way the analysis
of the votes
(29:19):
is looking,
and it's pretty
it's pretty clear.
So
I'm just saying, if if
if you think there might have been a
chance that, actually,
we elected Kamala,
you ought to check it out. I have
enough things to
load on my brain. I know.
But true or not Think if she actually
(29:41):
In the year February,
the Supreme Court decided
that we had to stop counting votes in
Florida Right. And fought by a decision of
five four,
we elected
GWB.
That's right.
And it was the perfect storm,
(30:02):
and we said nothing about it. Have we
had a fair election since then? No.
Nope. During during that time when we were
counting votes and big
thing about this election not being settled is
some of the news comment commentators were saying
that,
you know, in some countries, there would be
tanks on the streets, and there would be
(30:23):
all sorts of thing. When it was all
said and done, I would have preferred the
tanks on the streets. This was legal tanks
in the streets
to have the Supreme Court make the Well,
we've lost the Supreme Court. I mean, that
much is evident. We've completely lost that. Bad
at that time. I mean, that Well And
yet
or it was, and we just didn't see
(30:43):
it was, and we just didn't get it.
Yeah. Well. Yeah. What you had was,
yeah, gold. We didn't
care. We didn't Michael's doing that. We we
still thought that
that the the Supreme Court couldn't possibly sell
us out back in '20,
whenever that was, February.
Can't remember what year it was. Yes. No.
(31:05):
So we '16, wasn't it? No. No. We're
talking about the Al Gore
GW Bush. Right. That oh, truth. Yeah. I'm
sorry. Go ahead. I know. I know. It's
been a long time.
But I don't think we thought at that
point that the Supreme Court could possibly sell
us out. We
we believed
we so believed in the rule of law
(31:26):
at that point. But but now we believe
that if they don't sell us out. What
happened? Why? Well, we know that they're selling
us out. That's what I mean. Yeah. Because
we're watching it. Yeah. Yeah. We watch it
every day.
And amazing that the three
liberal women on the court, I mean, they're
they're going out on a limb saying, you
guys are not only wrong, but criminal. Yes.
(31:49):
You know, you're going against the constitution.
Yeah. Yeah. Many, many, many
educated and informed people are saying we are
losing our
democracy
rapidly.
Yep. Yep. I believe that. I do too.
Well, we're we're halfway through. We have not
got any either angry text or text telling
they love what we're talking about, but you
do you can text in at (541)
(32:11):
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Brookings.
So I wanna get that out. Thank you.
Anybody?
So,
also just to touch on
what happened with Jeffrey Epstein,
(32:32):
is that it it's a reported suicide
in his cell
in 2019.
And we've just learned within the last week
that
there's
video
of his
cell,
and it's actually missing three minutes
right at the time
(32:54):
when he
theoretically
died. No. No. But nobody wants to see
that that was taken out for,
to make it a little more acceptable to
us. We don't wanna watch somebody hanging. No.
No. No. It was at the outside. It
wasn't the inside of the cell. It was
the outside of the cell, but you would
have been able to see somebody going in.
(33:15):
Oh, maybe we don't wanna see that either.
No. I guess. You don't have on the
news, they say they give you a warning
that Mhmm.
Graphic. Yeah. Some yeah. Graphic because some people
may.
But it but it certainly,
sure
surely helped
a lot of people that he died.
Right? He was taken off taken off suicide
watch. Right? I I don't actually know. Of
(33:37):
yeah. Yeah. From what I understand, there's a
awful lot of things that
went on, the taken off suicide watch,
shift change issues, things that were problems that
night problematic that night. And he had not
yet gone to court. Right? He was he
was in his cell awaiting the trial.
(34:00):
Right? Isn't that right?
I'm I think so. Yeah. Yeah. He was
he wasn't convicted yet. He wasn't convicted yet.
Right. Because I think he probably realized he
was in a whole heap of trouble.
I know, but he had a whole heap
of information.
Yeah.
So who are we kind of depending on
right now? I wanted to bring this all
into
a a conclusion.
Is it the is it Ghislaine?
(34:21):
Ghislaine Maxwell? I'm counting on Candace.
Well
Good luck.
Don't be counting on me.
Bernie is still out there. Bernie is gonna
save us. Okay. Well, no. Bernie and AOC.
When he's no longer on that show. Okay.
But, again, I'm talking about
is she the one out there right now
that could maybe blow this whole thing? She
(34:42):
certainly could. I never hear her name mentioned
in this whole thing. Well, it's Ghislaine Maxwell.
Ghislaine Maxwell. Yeah. Right. No. She certainly could.
I mean, she's she's the one that's got
the information. She was there
for all of it. Right.
And and I guess we'll see. I mean,
she started to make a little bit of
noise. Her attorney said something.
(35:02):
I mean, her case is evidently pending
appeal.
So so they're not done, right, with all
of the legal
stuff. Right. And and that's
certainly one good reason why the the grand
jury
will they will not release those files
because she has appealed, and
(35:22):
she could appeal again. And, you know, you
don't mess with the grand jury files
if the case is still active, and it
is when it's on appeal. So,
you know, I it and I feel pretty
sure Trump will end up pardoning her rather
than have her
sing
like a canary. Oh, well,
(35:44):
if you could do it Well, that would
be the end of him. I mean, that
would be that would be definitely
be admitting something if he burned Would it
though? Because he said he he said about
Ghislaine Maxwell over you know, I I can't
remember the exact quote, but was like, oh,
I really like her and I have nothing
against her and, you know, I wish her
well.
Yeah. Right. Right. I mean, that was early
(36:06):
on, I think. Or It was it was
a few years ago. Yeah. So it's like
he wishes her well. She was
trafficking
children. Right.
So Wow. I wonder if
but it is a big mess. And, again,
I I always use the Jerry Springer
analogy because it seems like it's that way.
(36:28):
Mhmm.
That this upcoming,
what's the election? Oh, what do you call
it? The Midterms?
Thank you. Mhmm. The midterms.
I want
I wonder if
if that's gonna be a big turning point
to to show that, okay, the public I'll
(36:49):
I'll say the public in general has finally
had enough of this craziness. And and, no,
that's not MAGA, but,
and I do believe we will need, and
we being, I guess, the Democrats, progressives are
sane people. Insane
Republicans. Resane Red Cross. Right.
Republicans.
That we will need a huge victory to
(37:09):
kinda start toning this crazy stuff down.
So the problem
with that,
something I just read,
is that Trump has already been making overtures
to get into
the voting machines.
At least in Ohio,
he is making overtures to get into those
(37:29):
machines.
And once he gets into those
machines, fair elections cannot be guaranteed. I mean,
right now, they can't be guaranteed. How is
he making overtures?
He he
instructed
the DOJ,
I think. I I would have to find
the reference, but it's real,
and it's happening.
(37:50):
Maybe we need to go back to where
you or I mean, I don't think we're
ever there, but in some places, you line
up and you vote, and then you get
a stamp on you. Well,
they're saying dying thumb purple or something. They're
saying that we should go back to paper
ballots. Wow. But that is exactly I mean,
Oregon does paper ballots. We do paper ballots,
and we mail them in. There there should
(38:11):
be paper ballots because the the point is,
do the paper ballots
match up against
the digital? Right. Do they or do they
not? If they do not, there is election
interference.
And how about the voting by mail? Does
that That's fine.
It's It's not fine to a lot of
people. I know. I've used it for and
(38:32):
I'm not in Oregon. I'm in California, but
still, we've had vote by mail. Right. And
I see a lot of them are totally
against that. Yeah. But
I don't see They're against anything
that, brings out the vote. Well, true. Yeah.
If you have a lot of vote, then,
it
seems like the Republicans do less.
And, you know, they they make it impossible
on voting day, right, if you have to
(38:54):
actually stand in those lines. Yeah. Not only
do you Florida standing in line for three
hours. Kind of heat, and nobody's allowed to
give you water?
Yeah.
Holy moly. Heat or freezing.
I mean, I know. Yeah. It's it's kinda
crazy. Completely wrong.
Yeah. It's it's it's very interesting to me.
(39:14):
Michael Cohen, who has
flipped,
basically, and is singing
loudly
about all the stuff that he knows from
the inside,
he said
about the the MAGA people, they want a
reckoning.
They wanted the names, the arrests, the catharsis.
(39:35):
Instead, they got a shrug and a truth
social post calling them
dis
disloyal fools.
Stupid.
So now the movement is eating itself.
And, you know, really, you don't call your
base
stupid fools.
I mean What we're talking about somebody, though
but, you know Talking about somebody who doesn't
(39:56):
engage his brain prior to putting his mouth
in there. Is that No. Can't put a
That doesn't engage his brain or there's nothing
there's no filter. Out it comes. Yeah.
So yeah. I mean,
it's a problem.
You know? They they weren't
betrayed
by Trump,
but he stopped telling them what they wanted
(40:17):
to hear.
By the way, we did get a text.
It's a little difficult for me to decipher
this, but I think I can get through
it. Okay.
It's, it's just it's a YouTube reference. Mhmm.
Youtube.com/shorts.
It says, Trump admits that the election
was rigged. Yeah. Well, of course. That well,
(40:38):
I'm I mean, you do remember
him saying
at one point
that, Musk
gave
that Musk knew everything about computers, and
thanks to him,
we won the election.
And if we get this done, we'll never
have to worry about it. Never have to
(41:00):
vote again. Again.
And that was to the Christian
something or other group,
that he was
in front of. You'll never have to vote
again.
Never.
Like, wow. And and, of course, see, that's
the thing. Right?
If he is gaining access
to
(41:20):
the voting machinery,
which has already been compromised, if you if
you look at what Trump,
of what Elon Musk did
before the election, if you look at some
of the ties and
where those
machines,
they had updates done without any oversight
on the machines that basically left them vulnerable
(41:42):
to
a hack.
If if we don't
fix this before
2026,
we may never have another election.
The
simple
amount of money
put behind manipulative
propaganda
(42:03):
Mhmm. To a very well paid media
system
has left us completely
vulnerable. Completely.
Because we don't know what the truth is
anymore. Nope.
And nobody will for a while yet. Yep.
And that's the scary part. I mean, ABC,
NBC, and and CBS,
(42:24):
nobody trusts them anymore. Nobody trusts them. Legacy
Media? No. We don't trust them. We've lived
completely beyond
what we grew up with as news reality.
Yep. And Walter Cronkite. Right? And it was
all taken down by hedge funds. Mhmm.
That's what we gotta realize.
(42:45):
The hedge funds reached in
and bought up every newspaper with local news,
all the local TV stations that were saying
things they didn't like, bought them all and
took them apart.
Yep. Much like Elon
and his Doge Boys are taking apart the
government now. Yep. So the patterns and practices
(43:06):
are old.
The current,
people being targeted
is the the new ones on the list.
Remember when Acorn
was registering people to vote, and all of
a sudden,
Democrats were voting with Republicans
to shut down Acorn.
Yeah.
This was Acorn.
(43:27):
Bad guy. I remember in the nineties. Yeah.
Clarence Thomas
at the, as we approached
the two thousand election was making noise
about retiring so that,
Clinton could
replace him on the Supreme Court,
and that drew Leonard Leo
(43:48):
and got him Harlan Crowe.
Damn. This was advertised
in public,
but Yeah. We couldn't see it coming No.
No. Because we were blinded
and memory
hold and nobody understands
what's going on today.
(44:09):
That's a manipulation
that's created that. This is not
the this the news is
we've been that manipulated
that we just
need a complete and total reset moment
somehow.
Yeah. And I have no idea how that's
Well, it could be what's going on right
(44:29):
now, but it certainly Doesn't look good. Could
go any number of ways. Absolutely. Exactly right.
And
we're in
currently in the middle of the sixth major
extinction.
People
and
animal species are dying off
like
they did in in the run up to,
(44:49):
26,000,000
ago when the dinosaurs died. We're in the
middle of one of those realities today.
What if all the chaos that we're existing
in
in in our,
media ecosphere
is to hide the fact that the planet
is screaming for help?
(45:09):
And meanwhile,
there are some good stories happening
too. 30 kids
just
kayaked the entire length of the Klamath River
from the headwaters
down to Requa
in Klamath
and the the,
estuary that that where the Klamath River meets
(45:29):
the ocean
and did so
on a continuous
kayak trip
because they could for the first time in
a hundred years. Yeah. Because of the dam
removal. Yeah. Because of the dam removals
and,
and that's, you know, 30,
Yurok and
Yurok and Hoopa
(45:50):
and Modoc.
And They finally got They finally Yeah. Made
the trip. Yeah. So there are it's not
like everything is bad. There are some good
stories happening on on this planet,
but,
boy, howdy, we need to be terrorized
with the ugly,
don't we, every day by a well paid
(46:10):
press who is
functionally paid to traumatize
Americans.
Yeah. And it's,
it's rough, I think. Well and, again, as
ugly and horrible as this whole Epstein thing
is,
look at the what I thought the bigger
the world
news, whether it's Gaza,
(46:30):
Ukraine
Mhmm. The destruction of
I mean, that was a good environmental story,
I suppose, with the the kids kayaking. Mhmm.
But there's a lot of environmental and climate
change damage. Well, Iceland is melting. Well and
and yeah. And
we're forgetting that right now. No. Not really
forgetting. I don't hear much news about it.
(46:52):
And what news I do hear, I just
heard that there was another Israeli strike that
killed Yep. Lord knows how 40 I don't
know. People it goes on and on and
on why we sit here and
talk about
the Epstein But I think I think we
have to keep talking about it. You know?
I think we cannot
because that's what we didn't do twenty years
(47:14):
ago. About what now? About the Epstein files?
Or Whatever. All of
it. Right. All of it. All of it.
But I I agree. Yeah. I agree. Because
it's all
it's all part and parcel of the big
picture.
You know, we've been
duped.
The dumbing down of our country has been
going on for some time.
(47:36):
And I, you know, people are proud of
the fact that they're ignorant.
They're proud of it.
They don't wanna be smart. They think that,
you know, smart people are, like, elitists or
something. Yep.
That
Being smart is, is almost a pejorative with
somebody. It is a pejorative. And along that
line, back to the,
(47:57):
the big,
horrible, ugly bill, part of that, we've talked
about project twenty twenty five in the past
year. Mhmm. Well, that's that's coming to fruition.
I love that. And part of that is
taking away money
Mhmm. From public education
and,
putting
it into
almost religious schools or
(48:21):
rich people's kids. I it's a simple way
to say it, but they're taken away from
public education. Yep. They don't like public education.
They wanna do away with the
Department of Education so that each And their
The state
can come up with their own stuff. Yep.
So when you go to school in Georgia,
you'd learn about how the the were happy.
They were singing in the fields, and they
(48:42):
were learning
learning useful Valuable skills. Valuable skills that they
could Right.
Use when they weren't slaves.
Yeah. It's it it is furthering
the dumbing down of our country.
Furthering it. There's a fun,
little metaphor
on Facebook
these days. So you can't talk butterfly language
(49:03):
with caterpillar people.
Yeah. I mean, that's true. And there's nothing
wrong with being a caterpillar. There's nothing wrong
with it. No. It's all part and parcel
of the system? It is the stage
before becoming a butterfly,
so it's perfectly
fine.
But don't think that you're a freaking butterfly
(49:24):
if you're a caterpillar.
Just don't have that
misperception
of what you are.
Just wait it out. Go into the cocoon.
It's all gonna be fine. Yep. Or get
a little bit smarter. I I I watch
Stephanie Ruhl a lot on MSNBC.
She's good. She is good. I believe. And
and I like the way she says, we're
(49:47):
gonna get smarter. And to get smarter, I've
invited this panel. And inevitably,
they do make me smarter. I mean, I
listen to what they they know stuff I've
never even heard of, economic stuff. It's, like,
amazing.
Well, you know, he sued ABC, and he
sued CBS. You know, he hasn't
(50:07):
he's talked a lot about
NBC and MSNBC,
but he hasn't sued them yet, and they
are
The Apprentice Network. They gave him his gig.
Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yep.
But he has defunded or or at least
taken government funds away from NPR,
the public public radio and television. Aren't
(50:28):
they aren't the the Republicans
trying to claw back with this rescission
Really?
Stuff? They're trying to claw back some of
the
NPR money and some of the maybe the
Medicaid money?
That I haven't heard.
Maybe for NPR, though,
they they could keep or public television will
(50:49):
be broadcast. Keep it going with their approval
of the shows that are not so Oh
my. Left wing oriented.
Reminds me of I I have to I
have to really admire the people who watch
the
PBS NewsHour.
Mhmm.
Yeah. Because I I can't deal with I'm
sorry. I'm so used to the
(51:09):
to the theatrics when the entertainment was used.
Not not not Fox News, man. But, I
mean, at least, like,
the networks have a have a little bit
of upbeat. It's not all monotone.
Oh, I don't know. I I still prefer
the PBS NewsHour myself. Yeah. I I would
too if I had the patience.
Well, I think that once upon a time,
(51:29):
like, with Walter Cronkite and people like that,
we
we felt
like
we could trust
that news reporter because
he was serious.
He spoke with serious tones Mhmm. And gave
the news the weight
that
it required.
(51:51):
And it wasn't all flash and,
you know, I I don't have much tolerance
for Flash in the news. I don't think,
like,
NBC or ABC or Flash is just presented
with a little bit more of an idea
of not boring people to the
and and
(52:12):
I have always watched,
NPR
or PBS
news.
When I lived in Alaska, that was that
was about the only thing we had. And
I loved every bit of it. I had
one well, what was the the two guys
that had McNeal Loehr. McNeal Loehr. It's like,
this is great. These guys are
and they don't have an axe to grind.
(52:32):
They don't have
corporate sponsors that they have to
appeal to. Mhmm. Yeah. Judy did fine for
years after them too. Yeah.
Mhmm. Yep. Yep.
So it'll be interesting to see,
because the the Musk news is very interesting
(52:53):
to me that he is basically threatening to
release the files unless
DJT
hurries up and does it.
So I guess we'll see what happens over
the next few days. Which is not gonna
happen. So
what does happen,
it's gonna be somebody like an Elon Mhmm.
Releasing this stuff. Why do why don't you
(53:13):
think Elon will do it? No. I think
Elon might. I I or Trump is not
gonna do it. No. He he makes
these
Yeah.
Pronouncements
I mean, suing never intense. Murdoch?
Yeah. Oh, I think that's wonderful. Yeah. Talk
about Clash of the Dice. Hilarious.
I think they're both sitting around having us
(53:34):
smoking a cigar and enjoying this story here.
I think so. I think so too because
I don't believe it for a second.
Come on, people.
So yeah. I mean, I I would say,
yeah, let's, you know, pay attention to the
news. I remember seeing,
whose show was it? Lawrence O'Donnell, I think,
on Friday,
maybe Thursday. And he said,
(53:56):
you know,
it's gonna change. Give it twenty four hours,
and it's gonna change. And we're gonna have
another
big story by Monday. And we will.
That is exactly what happens.
Big because he said whether that would be
a good big story. Oh, it's not ever
Well, I was gonna say big and worse.
(54:17):
God, heavens. You know, Candace, real quick, you
did mention okay. Walter Cronkite and Chris as
a kid, I remember the Huntley Brinkley report.
Absolutely.
Yeah. But, I can think of and you
mentioned, I think Stephanie Ruhl is pretty she's
watchable and smart, and I I can trust
her. Yep. Yep. One of my favorites is
Christiane Amanpour. Mhmm. If you and she's on
(54:37):
both p
p b
PBS. I can't Yeah. PBS. And CNN. Mhmm.
But there are some out there. But And
I think Lawrence O'Donnell is amazing. I just
think he's amazing. Yeah. And I think Rachel
Maddow is amazing. I would I would watch
her all day long. K. She presents herself
very well. Yes. She does. Yeah. She's very
(54:58):
smart. Yep. I've been following her since
she was on Air America. Remember Air America
that was already I do. Boy. Was liberal
radio talk show. Mhmm. Didn't last too long,
though, did it? No. It did. I was
bummed that that went down.
What was it? Yeah. There was a few
others. I can't come. Ed,
somebody, you know, I can't think. And r
f k RFK Junior had a show.
(55:20):
Oh, god. Yeah. This was before he got
into his That's right.
Anti windmill. And I think what started well,
first bad thing I heard about him is
he didn't want,
offshore windmills
put in front of his house, but ruining
the viewers. Of course. That's what I mean.
Who does? Right?
I I think it gives you something to
look at. It's not just the waves going.
(55:42):
I think at a certain point, you say,
perhaps
my personal interests are not as important as
the interests of the planet.
Well and Or the concept. Yeah. Well, the
and and the planet's interest right now are,
being put aside, at least in this administration.
Oh, they've been being put aside for a
(56:03):
long time. Yeah. I mean Yeah.
The dollar bill is the bottom line. Right.
And as long as it is,
our world is not safe,
and it's not gonna continue in a good
way.
No. Our backs are against the wall right
now in that Yeah. They are. Aspect. We
are running out of time. We got about
little over three minutes left. If anybody has
(56:25):
any earth shaking any more breaking news, Michael.
I don't know. Well, I could just remind
you again. If you are disagreeing with us
or you know Please. Yeah. A MAGA
friend who would love to come on the
radio and talk,
I told
Come on down. Yes.
Come on. I'm trying to spit out the
(56:47):
website. Okay. It's kciw.org,
and then click to whatever the,
appropriate looking things like are.
Or for that matter, if you are a
MAGA and you wanna do a show,
there's a form to fill out to do
a show. You bet. We're always looking for
low end people to do a show. Yeah.
Absolutely.
You bet.
(57:08):
Well, here's my breaking news. The news is
broken.
I know.
I know. I know. And and, really, all
we've got that has
any chance at all is local news. What
we've got is what's been deemed as too
small to worry about by the hedge funds.
Yep.
Right? Yep. So
(57:30):
there we go. So pay attention to your
local radio station.
It is. It's a lot of guys said.
I'm I'm counting on Candace. Oh,
boy. We're in trouble now.
And and I'll put out a little plug
for local papers. I know with you I
get a few delivered to me from different
areas, and I still enjoy reading the local
(57:50):
papers.
Yep. I know they're on their way out.
That won't be too long. They're not they're
not as good as they
well, I'm not sure they ever were really
good,
but they certainly had more news
twenty years ago when I Yeah. First moved
here. Yeah. Well,
anyway, okay. Well, I wanna thank Candace. Candace
came as kind of the last minute to
(58:11):
help us out today. Oh, it's so fun.
Well, it is. You know? It just is.
And the And you guys are my bros,
You know? As as long as helping us
out. If you,
have an idea for a show or you
wanna be on a show other than politics,
I mean, we could talk about the salmon
season, in fact, if you wanted to
or anything else. I'm going to enjoy some
local caught salmon right after this program. Oh,
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are you really? Lucky you. You have a
friend that The big fish that Joey caught.
Anyway, I'll we'll talk about that tomorrow.
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Now here's Ray to tell us about today's
show. Hi. Well, today's show is not exactly
what I had planned. I I thought we
(00:49):
were gonna sit around and discuss the end
of salmon season.
But I was kinda out of order because
it seems like everybody else wants to talk
about some other thing in the news. I
don't know.
So we will go around the table, and
each of us will introduce ourselves and
say why they don't wanna talk about salmon.
Thank you, Ray.
(01:10):
I'm Candice Michelle. I'm the host of our
community
and,
volunteer here at KCOW, and I don't wanna
talk about the end of salmon season because
I didn't know it even started. So it
must be one day long or something. So
I I only know because I was at
the the trivia thing the other night, and
Laurie was showing a picture of, Joey's
(01:32):
Yeah. 26 pound salmon, and she said it
was the last day. Oh. So that's what
that's that's everything I know. I was hoping
somebody else would have enlightened me more. Obviously,
I missed it. Was it a good salmon
season? A bit anyway.
Hi.
No. I'm not actually, but
hi, anyhow.
(01:52):
Mike Gore's here. Sam Enchanted Evening sounds like
the other night. Oh, no. Wasn't there. That
was nice. Sam Enchanted. Lot of dad jokes
here. Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. There we go.
Alright.
So So? You're gonna introduce yourself to me?
Well, I'm in my course. I'm I'm the
you never know what's gonna come out of
me. Right? Well, that that's the whole point.
(02:16):
And I've already introduced myself, so I'll pass
it to Today today, the subject is the
current state of the world.
It almost feels like another our community, doesn't
it? That sounds kind of yeah. Very similar
similar. Right. Similar vibe.
Yeah. But we're live. We can't We are
live. So I can't say that. Language on
this. Bad words. Yeah. Okay.
(02:36):
I don't know what to talk about first
here. The the the thing I kinda got
got hit with yesterday or the day before
was just
although in the grand scheme of things, it's
kind of a small thing, but
how can this guy
go on television or go to go he
evidently was doing some
supposed to do a talk about,
(02:57):
AI
It must have run out of material because
it went from AI to talking about
his well worn out,
uncle who was a
professor at MIT for fifty years or more.
He was the longest serving professor ever at
MIT.
And he said they were talking one day,
and he said that the, the Unabomber was
(03:19):
one of his students.
And,
Trump then asked him, well, well, what kind
of a student he was? And they chatted
a little bit about about that. So I
said, well, okay. That's a real nothing burger,
but so what? Well, the so what was
it turns out that,
Trump's uncle died 10 before
the Unibar the Unibomber
went to college,
(03:40):
and he didn't go
to MIT. He went to Harvard.
Okay. So just more of the nonsense
bit. Why? It's a it's a nonsense lie.
Mhmm. And did he is I mean, what's
in this guy's brain that he thinks that
I could just go on there and say
anything I want, and nobody will ever fact
check me, and I'll never hear about it
again. But isn't that the truth?
(04:01):
Nobody ever fact
certainly no reporters fact checked. Well, it was
fact checked when I saw it. Yeah. But
But it is fact. And I shouldn't have
said fact check. It's it becomes of no
note whatsoever. Right. Nothing.
I mean, it's just And it certainly doesn't
matter to the MAGA base. It does not
matter. If you're gonna tell a lie, why
(04:22):
do you tell a lie that has absolutely
no there's no reason to tell it? It
didn't in any way,
you know, make him
look That would assume that he knows the
difference
between a lie and the truth. That's right.
That's right. That's right. He probably right there.
Yeah. He cannot tell the truth. I mean,
he just says whatever comes into his head,
(04:43):
there's no filter between his brain and his
mouth. It's there are millions of people who
voted for him and will vote for him
again, I guess. I know. I know. In
spite of the fact that he is a
34
time felon.
Twice impeached. And twice impeached. Yes. Three times
married. Yeah. Like, wow.
(05:04):
Yeah. Yeah. With over, I think, over two
dozen women who, you know,
have
accused him of sexual assault. Mhmm. He's had
to pay millions of dollars. And that too.
Yeah. And that too. And, again, we could
go on and on. And that is He's
just a jerk. Yeah. He's not a jerk.
Who?
I know. Whatever. I don't know. Yeah.
(05:25):
So so I think that the the big
news,
is the Epstein
stuff. Definitely an elephant in the room there.
I mean, Epstein Colbert as far as I'm
concerned. Yes. Okay. Colbert is also a big
deal. And sixty minutes to that. They acquiesced
and gave him some money. I I was
like, I still can't believe that. But a
big part of my night was watching the
(05:48):
Colbert show that I recorded the night before.
And now soon, it will no longer be,
but I don't think he's out. He may
be down, but he's not out. In fact,
I think he'll come back like the phoenix
and and be better than ever.
Yeah. I believe that too. Yeah. So so
the Epstein thing.
The the reason why
(06:08):
I think
the Epstein
issue is important
is because it appears to be the first
real crack
in the wall
of the MAGA base.
They they have a first Isn't it? Time,
they are
pissed.
You know,
(06:28):
the the the the thing that that they
seem to wanna jump on most is is
pedophiles.
Hillary is a pedophile. Lee's a pedophile. And
all these people if you wanna say something
really bad about the opposition person, they're a
pedophile. So, no. Wait a minute. Hold it.
This is
we have a pedophile.
We found a pedophile and a wood file.
It is awful. I mean, that this horrible
(06:49):
thing.
You know, you don't you don't do that
to children. Well, and it's crazy, and
it's Jerry Springerish as as this whole thing
has become,
the actual act the horrible act of the
pedophilia
has almost been kind of forgotten in the
past I know. Over all this other hoopla.
Of what it's all about. Yeah. Well, in
(07:11):
you you think about the victims, there were
scores of them.
I think they they estimated something like a
thousand
girls that Epstein trafficked in his
career.
Right. You know, one thing I'll say for
Trump, if he was there and if he
was messing around with any of these girls,
he had the good sense not to take
(07:31):
a picture of them like the prince or
whatever the hell he is from England.
That's not true. He's got his arm around
About an Epstein, but not around the teenagers.
No. He's there are some pictures. Got those
too. Oh, are there? I have only those.
Yep. Yep. The videos are gonna be the
thing that tell the story here. I think
so too.
Yeah. I mean, that you know,
they they obviously
(07:53):
had a relationship. Trump and Epstein were, like,
best friends according to really both of them.
Yeah. Here's here's Each of them individually.
Because
for what it's worth, interesting thing,
we have now said his name twice. You
said it once. You said it once.
And in the first
eight minutes of the show, we used he
(08:16):
Mhmm.
And everybody knew. Yeah.
So
Yeah. Is that like when a I wanna
tell a preacher refers to him?
Well, perhaps.
Interesting.
I always say answer to him. I was
listening very closely, and I heard a a
whole bunch of he's from
(08:37):
Mhmm. All of us, and nobody had said
his name until you said it for the
first time, Ray, and then you backed him
up. And it was funny because it was
eight minutes into the show Yeah. And first
time you hear his name. Is that a
good thing that I was first? Yeah. Was
that No. It's not a bad thing. Okay.
I just don't wanna damage my reputation as
a famous radio personality by doing
(08:58):
bad things on the radio. So I noticed
that,
they showed clips
of some of the far right wing
hosts,
including Nick Fuentes, who does a podcast. Person,
but yes. Yes. Right? Right. But but they
are, like, screaming
into their microphones and into the camera
(09:18):
about
how awful
Trump
is because he is covering
up the, you know, this whole deep state
thing, which is, you know, what the MAGA
base
believe
believed and also believes
that there's this deep state that is all
(09:39):
about
taking advantage of children, pedophilia,
you know, all of the Exactly. Yeah. Right?
And The worst boogeyman. And it seems like
I mean, what what Trump got elected on,
large part to his base was that he
was going to unmask this deep state. He
was gonna go after them. He was gonna
hold them accountable.
(09:59):
Of course, he assumed
or inferred that they were all Democrats.
Duh. Yeah.
But
that was why he that was certainly a
large
part of the vote for him. Mhmm. And
now, you know, for him to just say,
oh, no. There's nothing there's nothing to see
here. Let's move on. They they can't his
(10:22):
base is not doing well with that. I
think it's gonna come out that he
had invested in that pizza parlor too.
He was hoping to build the basement.
There we go. Yes.
No. It's it's just it's just awful. And
there was a, a story about the
the young woman,
(10:43):
who just committed suicide,
like, back in April. She was,
she was trafficked, basically.
And,
and she was 16 at the time. By
Epstein?
By Epstein. Yeah. And Maxwell.
And, you know,
she couldn't finally, I mean, she was 41,
(11:03):
so she lived a lot of years with
that
horrible memory.
What
why hasn't anybody offered Maxwell,
a pardon
in exchange for her? Or
is there something
there I don't know about? So I I
think,
I've I've heard some discussion about it, and
(11:24):
I think that she's holding out
for,
for that pardon,
but
it has to get to a certain point
where
they are
like, he's not gonna offer her a pardon
right now because that is just way
too much. Okay? I mean, she she's in
(11:44):
prison
twenty years, you know, blah blah blah.
And she has the names.
I mean, she has the names. So
if if he pardons her, it's gotta be
like as a last But it wouldn't be
I I I wouldn't think that Trump would
pardon her. Why would he do that? I'm
thinking that
(12:04):
Who's Trump would pardon her? The prosecution offer
her a deal. Nobody. No. She's serving time.
She can't she's not gonna get a deal.
I mean,
she obviously is appealing it, but
I I think that she could jump up
and say, well, guys, I have some stuff
I wanna tell you if Yeah. And I
think that she has intimated
(12:26):
that that is something that she is prepared
to do.
Congress could have her testify and pardon her,
create that pardon base. They could. They could.
They did it with Ollie North. Mhmm.
Mhmm. Oh, boy. Yeah. This wasn't a sad
enough morning, and now you have to bring
(12:47):
him up.
I know. Well, I know. And there's so
much unknown. By the way, if, you all
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And as far as the unknown still, you
know,
is there really in there isn't any, I
(13:07):
don't think, concrete
evidence yet
to put
Trump with
put him with Epstein, but not at the
island,
the infamous island. Now that's as far as
I know. But we do have Trump on
on the video saying he's a really good
guy. I really like how you All of
that. He's a lot of fun. All of
(13:27):
that. And he shares the love of beautiful
women except their lip on the on the
Yeah. On the One of the things I
saw in my research this morning, unfortunately, as
I was going out the door, I don't
know where it came from. But
supposedly, according to this little blip that I
saw, Epstein actually,
introduced Melania to Trump.
And the first time they ever slept together
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was on his plane.
Yeah. I had I had heard that or
read that story at one point as well.
Should should I say some kind of something
so we don't get sued for me saying
that? No. You can say you read it.
I mean Okay. Right? Alright. I mean, I
saw a picture,
and and it's all over the Internet of
Trump with his arm around Melania and
(14:12):
Epstein with his arm around Maxwell. I mean,
it's they're right there Mhmm. Together. So, I
mean, it's I spend a lot more time
on the Internet looking at Model Ts than
I do Trump and the law. I don't
blame you.
And and so far, there was no Model
T involved in this scandal. We're clear.
And and, again, we're kinda talking so far
about
(14:33):
believe me, I'm not trying to defend this
this horrible man. But a lot of the
stuff would you call it circumstantial evidence up
to this point
as far as putting him at the island,
being a pedophile,
a pedophile that
him and his MAGA crowd likes to
pin on everybody else.
I I I don't think there's any concrete
(14:54):
proof that he was at the island, and
and, again, I think that that would be
in
the file that they won't release. Like, not
not the
stuff that went to the grand jury because
that has nothing to do with it. Right?
So, I mean, you know, opening up that
that file Oh, all that's doing is saying,
see, I'm releasing Yeah. Which is just nonsense.
(15:16):
Yeah. So no. I mean, I to date,
I don't haven't seen anything that Sure. Definitively
proves he was at the island, but come
on. Well, again The guy had, like, a
some kind of a pageant
on his
on the
there was a ferry in New York City,
and they were out on the water, and
(15:38):
there was a pageant
for young miss whatevers
in the
basement of the boat or the under the
boat. And,
you know, he he brags about how he
can go into the dressing rooms
while they're all naked because
he's the That was old knowledge there. That
(15:58):
was teenage Miss America or something. Something like
that. It wasn't exactly that. He owned that
pageant. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why he could
walk in and wherever he would. Be on
the Howard Stern show, which should disqualify him
from being president in itself. But and brag
about how all these beautiful women with no
clothes on. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. So, I
mean,
(16:18):
it's not
if he didn't go to the island,
he's still
dirty.
Oh. Yeah. We knew that before. Yeah. From
what I've read,
clearly, it's
on Facebook predominantly.
But from from what I've read,
some of the court documents
(16:39):
talk about,
underage
ladies that were met
and trafficked out of Mar A Lago. Oh,
absolutely.
So it's not just the island. Right. And
the island, I've also read, had no airstrip.
So it's to to say on
on his plane, on Epstein's plane, is a
(16:59):
bit of a misnomer.
I'm not sure. I wonder how they got
there.
Well but what was happening at the island
was the yachts would visit, and the helicopters
would fly in. Of course.
So,
that was where it Yeah. Because you're talking
about people with unlimited
money. Right? Yeah. So yeah. It doesn't
(17:21):
yeah. It's appalling. It's it's just appalling. And
I think that, you know, the people
in that in his base who are
very vocal about,
you know,
grooming children and and I mean, they were
on the bandwagon
about our library here in Brookings about, you
know, because we had a couple of books
(17:42):
that were on a shelf where
younger
readers could get at them or something. Incidentally,
those books were taken out of the,
Air Force Academy library.
The, what was it? Over 200 books or
something were taken out because they
expressed bad things or something except Mein Kampf.
Mein Kampf stayed. Oh, yeah. Because that's that's
(18:03):
good stuff. The Jackie Robinson story was one
of them. Isn't that amazing?
Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Can't have that. The Air
Force Academy in Colorado Springs, and talking about
my people, I was in the Air Force
many, many decades ago, is pretty well known
for being,
very
white Christian evangelical
(18:24):
Mhmm. With all
the cadets. It's We wanted to make sure
we didn't get any of them poisoned
with risky books. Yeah. I guess so. Just
facts. Pretty
yeah. Pretty sad, though. I think that So
By the way, before I forget,
if you wanna come on this show,
(18:44):
or you
or I don't think we have too many
MAGA people listening, but if you know one
and
and
and you say, oh, he would like to
talk to those people,
have him get in touch with us. He
or she. Yeah,
he or she. And we would love to
have somebody on to
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To wanting to be on there. And we
have,
what do we have? About three shows like
this. You can come on one of them.
Mhmm. Two.
(19:27):
So I I read,
that
Trump has
initially instructed
Bondi
to only release credible information.
But now he's kind of,
broadened it a little bit.
But it's only
the,
documents that went to the grand jury. So,
(19:49):
you know, there's not there's not anything there.
There's not it that's not what the base
is asking for. That's not what they're asking
for.
And it's not what he promised them. I
mean, in in his campaign promises, he was
very vocal about,
we will we're gonna get to the bottom
of this,
you know,
(20:09):
blah blah blah blah blah. And now there's
will find that during the campaign, he may
have
lied? Oh, dear. No. Oh my god.
Boy, you are a cynic. I know.
I know. But but given that his base
this is one of their
issues
is protecting children. Yes. I I don't see
(20:30):
how
I don't see how
this cannot
be
a huge impact
because he
there's only two options.
He either lied then
or he's lying now.
He either lied when he said, oh, there's
all this, you know, deep state and people
and, you know, we gotta get those files,
(20:52):
or he's lying now when he says, yeah,
there's nothing there. But you have to protect
the cult leader.
Mhmm. Part of a cult is that he
can do no wrong and everybody
follows the cult.
I heard someone,
last night, I think,
on a on a talk show, and he
said it's it's a mistake
to call them
(21:13):
a cult.
They may, in fact, have that kind of
tendency,
but he said
because he had been in that,
he said speaking as somebody who was in
on the inside, he said, it's much more
of a family. It's much more of a,
(21:33):
not a cult, but a but a
and their
their neighbors, their friends, their family.
They nobody else understands them. They Just be
like the man. Connection.
Well, I mean, that taking it to an
extreme, but,
but it's that kind of thing.
You know how you feel when you're around
people who who see the world the way
(21:55):
you do.
You feel at home. You feel
validated. Yeah. I can understand all that, but
when it gets to the point where,
the
the the leader or the person we're all
looking up can do no wrong,
I think that makes it a cult. Well,
I'm not saying More than a family. Yeah.
And I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just
saying that that's not the way they see
(22:16):
themselves. Oh, of course. No. Sure. So if
if when you're talking to them,
you call them a cult,
you're not gonna get any,
you know, no there won't be any buy
in. Okay. Those diesel pickups are having. Yeah.
But you could if if maybe you talk
about
(22:36):
the family aspect of it or how it
feels to be part of something bigger than
yourself,
which is the way they see it.
I'm I'm always looking for the way to
get in to have a conversation.
I don't think there's a way to get
in a conversation with the people that are
dug in that deep. That's just my opinion.
(22:59):
I see it got it's even kind of
blending over nowadays into
Democrat, Republicans
absolutely hating each other. There's a few out
there that can get along,
but not many.
And
I really
do view
the deep I'll call it deep state MAGA
as a cult. Mhmm. I really do. I
(23:20):
I I don't know percentages,
but, boy, they
there's
congresspeople,
senators
that will,
think of them, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren
Lauren Boebert, is it? Yeah. Those kinds of
people,
Matt Gaetz.
I'm not sure they actually believe
that. I think that they know that it's
(23:41):
politically
expedient. I I would agree with that. Okay.
Yeah. Has Marjorie dropped
dropped away from the cult
from Trump a little bit with this? Isn't
she gone on the bandwagon against him as
well? She was very annoyed about Yeah. Yeah.
I have a feeling they're gonna come all
come back to him, though, soon no matter
(24:03):
Yeah. That won't that won't be long. He'll
come up with some nonsense to replace what
they want.
Well and then And stay there. That's it.
Yeah. And So it all depends then on
people like Alex Jones
and Nick Fuentes
and Steve Bannon. Burke. Are they going to
keep saying,
(24:23):
but you promised
us.
Your base is
pissed off. You promised.
If they keep saying that,
they've got an audience.
You kind of forgot Tucker Carlson
and,
What's his name? X Boy.
X Boy.
Oh, Musk.
(24:45):
Elon Musk. Wasn't there some breaking news about
Elon Musk? Didn't you didn't you say something,
Michael? I have read something just before we
went on the air that he's threatening
to release
what,
apparently, he's called to be released and they
aren't releasing.
The, Epstein file. The Epstein files, suggesting that
he has them and is ready to drop
(25:06):
them. Well, certainly, he has them. We understand.
All of his Doge boys have been in
there gathering
as much stuff as they possibly can ever
since they went in.
And all I would I I would say,
remember
what the classic
Washington
gaffe is,
(25:28):
telling the truth.
Is
Forever,
the worst thing that you can do in
Washington
is utter a truth that everybody has agreed
should never be uttered,
such as,
when Hillary was trying to get health care
through in the early,
(25:48):
Clinton era because she had been put in
charge of helping us shepherd in health care,
what eventually became Obamacare, what was
at every point the Republicans'
solution to health care in Massachusetts
with Romney
became Obamacare.
And Hillary,
(26:09):
when she hit,
problems with getting that done, pointed out the
vast right wing conspiracy,
which involved
the federalists and the republicans
and Chuck Grassley and all them, rah rah
rah, all the same people that are haunting
still today.
And that was in the early nineteen nineties,
(26:30):
and this is 02/2025.
It's the same human
beings Mhmm. Doing the same nonsense.
And Trump is new to the thing, but
the thing has been going on for much
longer than Trump.
I read somewhere where the it's basically started
with Reagan.
That's when it started
(26:52):
like, the plan started to be
formulated. Mhmm. Well, that's when I understand it
to be. And I always felt the big
downer for Reagan, for me anyway, was he
was the one that really embraced Jerry Falwell
and the Moral Majority
and started to get in the
white Christian nationalists.
And that whole thing is tied to the
(27:14):
far right, you know? Oh, gosh. Yeah. Because
that's the way that you control people. I
mean, it's, you know, obviously He goes to
Bob Jones University
and gives a talk to the students.
And
for for some reason or other, he mentions
the two Corinthians.
And and just a lot of nonsense that
made it very obvious. He knew nothing at
(27:36):
all about the Bible. I probably know more
about the Bible than he did.
And the next day, Bob Jones University endorses
him. Oh, what a shock.
Again, surprise like Gohmert says, surprise, surprise, surprise.
Yeah. It just goes on. You know, Michael,
you said something about truth, and and I'm
sure this will irritate some people, but what
I and I don't remember who it was.
(27:57):
Was it Hillary or Obama? Somebody said
the,
the right wing
like to embrace their Bibles and their guns.
Right. Mhmm.
I agreed with that. Mhmm. Not all, but
that I thought that was a truthful statement,
and that
just got
got whoever said it in a lot of
trouble, and I don't remember who it was
(28:17):
now. I think it was, Obama. Yeah. Okay.
It was.
But we all know it's true. Something like
the old Idols and their guns. Yeah. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So I have an interesting little
just side thing that I wanna mention.
Ever since the election
in November,
(28:38):
I I have had
a lot of trouble believing that Donald Trump
actually won.
Now I understand
that, you know, conspiracy
theorists and election deniers I mean, I get
it.
I think the right
poisoned that well, by the way,
in 2020.
(28:58):
I think that I think that there is,
growing
and credible evidence
that there was,
voter manipulation
in 2024,
and all you have to do is look
at the swing states
and look at
the way the analysis
of the votes
(29:19):
is looking,
and it's pretty
it's pretty clear.
So
I'm just saying, if if
if you think there might have been a
chance that, actually,
we elected Kamala,
you ought to check it out. I have
enough things to
load on my brain. I know.
But true or not Think if she actually
(29:41):
In the year February,
the Supreme Court decided
that we had to stop counting votes in
Florida Right. And fought by a decision of
five four,
we elected
GWB.
That's right.
And it was the perfect storm,
(30:02):
and we said nothing about it. Have we
had a fair election since then? No.
Nope. During during that time when we were
counting votes and big
thing about this election not being settled is
some of the news comment commentators were saying
that,
you know, in some countries, there would be
tanks on the streets, and there would be
(30:23):
all sorts of thing. When it was all
said and done, I would have preferred the
tanks on the streets. This was legal tanks
in the streets
to have the Supreme Court make the Well,
we've lost the Supreme Court. I mean, that
much is evident. We've completely lost that. Bad
at that time. I mean, that Well And
yet
or it was, and we just didn't see
(30:43):
it was, and we just didn't get it.
Yeah. Well. Yeah. What you had was,
yeah, gold. We didn't
care. We didn't Michael's doing that. We we
still thought that
that the the Supreme Court couldn't possibly sell
us out back in '20,
whenever that was, February.
Can't remember what year it was. Yes. No.
(31:05):
So we '16, wasn't it? No. No. We're
talking about the Al Gore
GW Bush. Right. That oh, truth. Yeah. I'm
sorry. Go ahead. I know. I know. It's
been a long time.
But I don't think we thought at that
point that the Supreme Court could possibly sell
us out. We
we believed
we so believed in the rule of law
(31:26):
at that point. But but now we believe
that if they don't sell us out. What
happened? Why? Well, we know that they're selling
us out. That's what I mean. Yeah. Because
we're watching it. Yeah. Yeah. We watch it
every day.
And amazing that the three
liberal women on the court, I mean, they're
they're going out on a limb saying, you
guys are not only wrong, but criminal. Yes.
(31:49):
You know, you're going against the constitution.
Yeah. Yeah. Many, many, many
educated and informed people are saying we are
losing our
democracy
rapidly.
Yep. Yep. I believe that. I do too.
Well, we're we're halfway through. We have not
got any either angry text or text telling
they love what we're talking about, but you
do you can text in at (541)
(32:11):
661-4098,
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Brookings.
So I wanna get that out. Thank you.
Anybody?
So,
also just to touch on
what happened with Jeffrey Epstein,
(32:32):
is that it it's a reported suicide
in his cell
in 2019.
And we've just learned within the last week
that
there's
video
of his
cell,
and it's actually missing three minutes
right at the time
(32:54):
when he
theoretically
died. No. No. But nobody wants to see
that that was taken out for,
to make it a little more acceptable to
us. We don't wanna watch somebody hanging. No.
No. No. It was at the outside. It
wasn't the inside of the cell. It was
the outside of the cell, but you would
have been able to see somebody going in.
(33:15):
Oh, maybe we don't wanna see that either.
No. I guess. You don't have on the
news, they say they give you a warning
that Mhmm.
Graphic. Yeah. Some yeah. Graphic because some people
may.
But it but it certainly,
sure
surely helped
a lot of people that he died.
Right? He was taken off taken off suicide
watch. Right? I I don't actually know. Of
(33:37):
yeah. Yeah. From what I understand, there's a
awful lot of things that
went on, the taken off suicide watch,
shift change issues, things that were problems that
night problematic that night. And he had not
yet gone to court. Right? He was he
was in his cell awaiting the trial.
(34:00):
Right? Isn't that right?
I'm I think so. Yeah. Yeah. He was
he wasn't convicted yet. He wasn't convicted yet.
Right. Because I think he probably realized he
was in a whole heap of trouble.
I know, but he had a whole heap
of information.
Yeah.
So who are we kind of depending on
right now? I wanted to bring this all
into
a a conclusion.
Is it the is it Ghislaine?
(34:21):
Ghislaine Maxwell? I'm counting on Candace.
Well
Good luck.
Don't be counting on me.
Bernie is still out there. Bernie is gonna
save us. Okay. Well, no. Bernie and AOC.
When he's no longer on that show. Okay.
But, again, I'm talking about
is she the one out there right now
that could maybe blow this whole thing? She
(34:42):
certainly could. I never hear her name mentioned
in this whole thing. Well, it's Ghislaine Maxwell.
Ghislaine Maxwell. Yeah. Right. No. She certainly could.
I mean, she's she's the one that's got
the information. She was there
for all of it. Right.
And and I guess we'll see. I mean,
she started to make a little bit of
noise. Her attorney said something.
(35:02):
I mean, her case is evidently pending
appeal.
So so they're not done, right, with all
of the legal
stuff. Right. And and that's
certainly one good reason why the the grand
jury
will they will not release those files
because she has appealed, and
(35:22):
she could appeal again. And, you know, you
don't mess with the grand jury files
if the case is still active, and it
is when it's on appeal. So,
you know, I it and I feel pretty
sure Trump will end up pardoning her rather
than have her
sing
like a canary. Oh, well,
(35:44):
if you could do it Well, that would
be the end of him. I mean, that
would be that would be definitely
be admitting something if he burned Would it
though? Because he said he he said about
Ghislaine Maxwell over you know, I I can't
remember the exact quote, but was like, oh,
I really like her and I have nothing
against her and, you know, I wish her
well.
Yeah. Right. Right. I mean, that was early
(36:06):
on, I think. Or It was it was
a few years ago. Yeah. So it's like
he wishes her well. She was
trafficking
children. Right.
So Wow. I wonder if
but it is a big mess. And, again,
I I always use the Jerry Springer
analogy because it seems like it's that way.
(36:28):
Mhmm.
That this upcoming,
what's the election? Oh, what do you call
it? The Midterms?
Thank you. Mhmm. The midterms.
I want
I wonder if
if that's gonna be a big turning point
to to show that, okay, the public I'll
(36:49):
I'll say the public in general has finally
had enough of this craziness. And and, no,
that's not MAGA, but,
and I do believe we will need, and
we being, I guess, the Democrats, progressives are
sane people. Insane
Republicans. Resane Red Cross. Right.
Republicans.
That we will need a huge victory to
(37:09):
kinda start toning this crazy stuff down.
So the problem
with that,
something I just read,
is that Trump has already been making overtures
to get into
the voting machines.
At least in Ohio,
he is making overtures to get into those
(37:29):
machines.
And once he gets into those
machines, fair elections cannot be guaranteed. I mean,
right now, they can't be guaranteed. How is
he making overtures?
He he
instructed
the DOJ,
I think. I I would have to find
the reference, but it's real,
and it's happening.
(37:50):
Maybe we need to go back to where
you or I mean, I don't think we're
ever there, but in some places, you line
up and you vote, and then you get
a stamp on you. Well,
they're saying dying thumb purple or something. They're
saying that we should go back to paper
ballots. Wow. But that is exactly I mean,
Oregon does paper ballots. We do paper ballots,
and we mail them in. There there should
(38:11):
be paper ballots because the the point is,
do the paper ballots
match up against
the digital? Right. Do they or do they
not? If they do not, there is election
interference.
And how about the voting by mail? Does
that That's fine.
It's It's not fine to a lot of
people. I know. I've used it for and
(38:32):
I'm not in Oregon. I'm in California, but
still, we've had vote by mail. Right. And
I see a lot of them are totally
against that. Yeah. But
I don't see They're against anything
that, brings out the vote. Well, true. Yeah.
If you have a lot of vote, then,
it
seems like the Republicans do less.
And, you know, they they make it impossible
on voting day, right, if you have to
(38:54):
actually stand in those lines. Yeah. Not only
do you Florida standing in line for three
hours. Kind of heat, and nobody's allowed to
give you water?
Yeah.
Holy moly. Heat or freezing.
I mean, I know. Yeah. It's it's kinda
crazy. Completely wrong.
Yeah. It's it's it's very interesting to me.
(39:14):
Michael Cohen, who has
flipped,
basically, and is singing
loudly
about all the stuff that he knows from
the inside,
he said
about the the MAGA people, they want a
reckoning.
They wanted the names, the arrests, the catharsis.
(39:35):
Instead, they got a shrug and a truth
social post calling them
dis
disloyal fools.
Stupid.
So now the movement is eating itself.
And, you know, really, you don't call your
base
stupid fools.
I mean What we're talking about somebody, though
but, you know Talking about somebody who doesn't
(39:56):
engage his brain prior to putting his mouth
in there. Is that No. Can't put a
That doesn't engage his brain or there's nothing
there's no filter. Out it comes. Yeah.
So yeah. I mean,
it's a problem.
You know? They they weren't
betrayed
by Trump,
but he stopped telling them what they wanted
(40:17):
to hear.
By the way, we did get a text.
It's a little difficult for me to decipher
this, but I think I can get through
it. Okay.
It's, it's just it's a YouTube reference. Mhmm.
Youtube.com/shorts.
It says, Trump admits that the election
was rigged. Yeah. Well, of course. That well,
(40:38):
I'm I mean, you do remember
him saying
at one point
that, Musk
gave
that Musk knew everything about computers, and
thanks to him,
we won the election.
And if we get this done, we'll never
have to worry about it. Never have to
(41:00):
vote again. Again.
And that was to the Christian
something or other group,
that he was
in front of. You'll never have to vote
again.
Never.
Like, wow. And and, of course, see, that's
the thing. Right?
If he is gaining access
to
(41:20):
the voting machinery,
which has already been compromised, if you if
you look at what Trump,
of what Elon Musk did
before the election, if you look at some
of the ties and
where those
machines,
they had updates done without any oversight
on the machines that basically left them vulnerable
(41:42):
to
a hack.
If if we don't
fix this before
2026,
we may never have another election.
The
simple
amount of money
put behind manipulative
propaganda
(42:03):
Mhmm. To a very well paid media
system
has left us completely
vulnerable. Completely.
Because we don't know what the truth is
anymore. Nope.
And nobody will for a while yet. Yep.
And that's the scary part. I mean, ABC,
NBC, and and CBS,
(42:24):
nobody trusts them anymore. Nobody trusts them. Legacy
Media? No. We don't trust them. We've lived
completely beyond
what we grew up with as news reality.
Yep. And Walter Cronkite. Right? And it was
all taken down by hedge funds. Mhmm.
That's what we gotta realize.
(42:45):
The hedge funds reached in
and bought up every newspaper with local news,
all the local TV stations that were saying
things they didn't like, bought them all and
took them apart.
Yep. Much like Elon
and his Doge Boys are taking apart the
government now. Yep. So the patterns and practices
(43:06):
are old.
The current,
people being targeted
is the the new ones on the list.
Remember when Acorn
was registering people to vote, and all of
a sudden,
Democrats were voting with Republicans
to shut down Acorn.
Yeah.
This was Acorn.
(43:27):
Bad guy. I remember in the nineties. Yeah.
Clarence Thomas
at the, as we approached
the two thousand election was making noise
about retiring so that,
Clinton could
replace him on the Supreme Court,
and that drew Leonard Leo
(43:48):
and got him Harlan Crowe.
Damn. This was advertised
in public,
but Yeah. We couldn't see it coming No.
No. Because we were blinded
and memory
hold and nobody understands
what's going on today.
(44:09):
That's a manipulation
that's created that. This is not
the this the news is
we've been that manipulated
that we just
need a complete and total reset moment
somehow.
Yeah. And I have no idea how that's
Well, it could be what's going on right
(44:29):
now, but it certainly Doesn't look good. Could
go any number of ways. Absolutely. Exactly right.
And
we're in
currently in the middle of the sixth major
extinction.
People
and
animal species are dying off
like
they did in in the run up to,
(44:49):
26,000,000
ago when the dinosaurs died. We're in the
middle of one of those realities today.
What if all the chaos that we're existing
in
in in our,
media ecosphere
is to hide the fact that the planet
is screaming for help?
(45:09):
And meanwhile,
there are some good stories happening
too. 30 kids
just
kayaked the entire length of the Klamath River
from the headwaters
down to Requa
in Klamath
and the the,
estuary that that where the Klamath River meets
(45:29):
the ocean
and did so
on a continuous
kayak trip
because they could for the first time in
a hundred years. Yeah. Because of the dam
removal. Yeah. Because of the dam removals
and,
and that's, you know, 30,
Yurok and
Yurok and Hoopa
(45:50):
and Modoc.
And They finally got They finally Yeah. Made
the trip. Yeah. So there are it's not
like everything is bad. There are some good
stories happening on on this planet,
but,
boy, howdy, we need to be terrorized
with the ugly,
don't we, every day by a well paid
(46:10):
press who is
functionally paid to traumatize
Americans.
Yeah. And it's,
it's rough, I think. Well and, again, as
ugly and horrible as this whole Epstein thing
is,
look at the what I thought the bigger
the world
news, whether it's Gaza,
(46:30):
Ukraine
Mhmm. The destruction of
I mean, that was a good environmental story,
I suppose, with the the kids kayaking. Mhmm.
But there's a lot of environmental and climate
change damage. Well, Iceland is melting. Well and
and yeah. And
we're forgetting that right now. No. Not really
forgetting. I don't hear much news about it.
(46:52):
And what news I do hear, I just
heard that there was another Israeli strike that
killed Yep. Lord knows how 40 I don't
know. People it goes on and on and
on why we sit here and
talk about
the Epstein But I think I think we
have to keep talking about it. You know?
I think we cannot
because that's what we didn't do twenty years
(47:14):
ago. About what now? About the Epstein files?
Or Whatever. All of
it. Right. All of it. All of it.
But I I agree. Yeah. I agree. Because
it's all
it's all part and parcel of the big
picture.
You know, we've been
duped.
The dumbing down of our country has been
going on for some time.
(47:36):
And I, you know, people are proud of
the fact that they're ignorant.
They're proud of it.
They don't wanna be smart. They think that,
you know, smart people are, like, elitists or
something. Yep.
That
Being smart is, is almost a pejorative with
somebody. It is a pejorative. And along that
line, back to the,
(47:57):
the big,
horrible, ugly bill, part of that, we've talked
about project twenty twenty five in the past
year. Mhmm. Well, that's that's coming to fruition.
I love that. And part of that is
taking away money
Mhmm. From public education
and,
putting
it into
almost religious schools or
(48:21):
rich people's kids. I it's a simple way
to say it, but they're taken away from
public education. Yep. They don't like public education.
They wanna do away with the
Department of Education so that each And their
The state
can come up with their own stuff. Yep.
So when you go to school in Georgia,
you'd learn about how the the were happy.
They were singing in the fields, and they
(48:42):
were learning
learning useful Valuable skills. Valuable skills that they
could Right.
Use when they weren't slaves.
Yeah. It's it it is furthering
the dumbing down of our country.
Furthering it. There's a fun,
little metaphor
on Facebook
these days. So you can't talk butterfly language
(49:03):
with caterpillar people.
Yeah. I mean, that's true. And there's nothing
wrong with being a caterpillar. There's nothing wrong
with it. No. It's all part and parcel
of the system? It is the stage
before becoming a butterfly,
so it's perfectly
fine.
But don't think that you're a freaking butterfly
(49:24):
if you're a caterpillar.
Just don't have that
misperception
of what you are.
Just wait it out. Go into the cocoon.
It's all gonna be fine. Yep. Or get
a little bit smarter. I I I watch
Stephanie Ruhl a lot on MSNBC.
She's good. She is good. I believe. And
and I like the way she says, we're
(49:47):
gonna get smarter. And to get smarter, I've
invited this panel. And inevitably,
they do make me smarter. I mean, I
listen to what they they know stuff I've
never even heard of, economic stuff. It's, like,
amazing.
Well, you know, he sued ABC, and he
sued CBS. You know, he hasn't
(50:07):
he's talked a lot about
NBC and MSNBC,
but he hasn't sued them yet, and they
are
The Apprentice Network. They gave him his gig.
Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yep.
But he has defunded or or at least
taken government funds away from NPR,
the public public radio and television. Aren't
(50:28):
they aren't the the Republicans
trying to claw back with this rescission
Really?
Stuff? They're trying to claw back some of
the
NPR money and some of the maybe the
Medicaid money?
That I haven't heard.
Maybe for NPR, though,
they they could keep or public television will
(50:49):
be broadcast. Keep it going with their approval
of the shows that are not so Oh
my. Left wing oriented.
Reminds me of I I have to I
have to really admire the people who watch
the
PBS NewsHour.
Mhmm.
Yeah. Because I I can't deal with I'm
sorry. I'm so used to the
(51:09):
to the theatrics when the entertainment was used.
Not not not Fox News, man. But, I
mean, at least, like,
the networks have a have a little bit
of upbeat. It's not all monotone.
Oh, I don't know. I I still prefer
the PBS NewsHour myself. Yeah. I I would
too if I had the patience.
Well, I think that once upon a time,
(51:29):
like, with Walter Cronkite and people like that,
we
we felt
like
we could trust
that news reporter because
he was serious.
He spoke with serious tones Mhmm. And gave
the news the weight
that
it required.
(51:51):
And it wasn't all flash and,
you know, I I don't have much tolerance
for Flash in the news. I don't think,
like,
NBC or ABC or Flash is just presented
with a little bit more of an idea
of not boring people to the
and and
(52:12):
I have always watched,
NPR
or PBS
news.
When I lived in Alaska, that was that
was about the only thing we had. And
I loved every bit of it. I had
one well, what was the the two guys
that had McNeal Loehr. McNeal Loehr. It's like,
this is great. These guys are
and they don't have an axe to grind.
(52:32):
They don't have
corporate sponsors that they have to
appeal to. Mhmm. Yeah. Judy did fine for
years after them too. Yeah.
Mhmm. Yep. Yep.
So it'll be interesting to see,
because the the Musk news is very interesting
(52:53):
to me that he is basically threatening to
release the files unless
DJT
hurries up and does it.
So I guess we'll see what happens over
the next few days. Which is not gonna
happen. So
what does happen,
it's gonna be somebody like an Elon Mhmm.
Releasing this stuff. Why do why don't you
(53:13):
think Elon will do it? No. I think
Elon might. I I or Trump is not
gonna do it. No. He he makes
these
Yeah.
Pronouncements
I mean, suing never intense. Murdoch?
Yeah. Oh, I think that's wonderful. Yeah. Talk
about Clash of the Dice. Hilarious.
I think they're both sitting around having us
(53:34):
smoking a cigar and enjoying this story here.
I think so. I think so too because
I don't believe it for a second.
Come on, people.
So yeah. I mean, I I would say,
yeah, let's, you know, pay attention to the
news. I remember seeing,
whose show was it? Lawrence O'Donnell, I think,
on Friday,
maybe Thursday. And he said,
(53:56):
you know,
it's gonna change. Give it twenty four hours,
and it's gonna change. And we're gonna have
another
big story by Monday. And we will.
That is exactly what happens.
Big because he said whether that would be
a good big story. Oh, it's not ever
Well, I was gonna say big and worse.
(54:17):
God, heavens. You know, Candace, real quick, you
did mention okay. Walter Cronkite and Chris as
a kid, I remember the Huntley Brinkley report.
Absolutely.
Yeah. But, I can think of and you
mentioned, I think Stephanie Ruhl is pretty she's
watchable and smart, and I I can trust
her. Yep. Yep. One of my favorites is
Christiane Amanpour. Mhmm. If you and she's on
(54:37):
both p
p b
PBS. I can't Yeah. PBS. And CNN. Mhmm.
But there are some out there. But And
I think Lawrence O'Donnell is amazing. I just
think he's amazing. Yeah. And I think Rachel
Maddow is amazing. I would I would watch
her all day long. K. She presents herself
very well. Yes. She does. Yeah. She's very
(54:58):
smart. Yep. I've been following her since
she was on Air America. Remember Air America
that was already I do. Boy. Was liberal
radio talk show. Mhmm. Didn't last too long,
though, did it? No. It did. I was
bummed that that went down.
What was it? Yeah. There was a few
others. I can't come. Ed,
somebody, you know, I can't think. And r
f k RFK Junior had a show.
(55:20):
Oh, god. Yeah. This was before he got
into his That's right.
Anti windmill. And I think what started well,
first bad thing I heard about him is
he didn't want,
offshore windmills
put in front of his house, but ruining
the viewers. Of course. That's what I mean.
Who does? Right?
I I think it gives you something to
look at. It's not just the waves going.
(55:42):
I think at a certain point, you say,
perhaps
my personal interests are not as important as
the interests of the planet.
Well and Or the concept. Yeah. Well, the
and and the planet's interest right now are,
being put aside, at least in this administration.
Oh, they've been being put aside for a
(56:03):
long time. Yeah. I mean Yeah.
The dollar bill is the bottom line. Right.
And as long as it is,
our world is not safe,
and it's not gonna continue in a good
way.
No. Our backs are against the wall right
now in that Yeah. They are. Aspect. We
are running out of time. We got about
little over three minutes left. If anybody has
(56:25):
any earth shaking any more breaking news, Michael.
I don't know. Well, I could just remind
you again. If you are disagreeing with us
or you know Please. Yeah. A MAGA
friend who would love to come on the
radio and talk,
I told
Come on down. Yes.
Come on. I'm trying to spit out the
(56:47):
website. Okay. It's kciw.org,
and then click to whatever the,
appropriate looking things like are.
Or for that matter, if you are a
MAGA and you wanna do a show,
there's a form to fill out to do
a show. You bet. We're always looking for
low end people to do a show. Yeah.
Absolutely.
You bet.
(57:08):
Well, here's my breaking news. The news is
broken.
I know.
I know. I know. And and, really, all
we've got that has
any chance at all is local news. What
we've got is what's been deemed as too
small to worry about by the hedge funds.
Yep.
Right? Yep. So
(57:30):
there we go. So pay attention to your
local radio station.
It is. It's a lot of guys said.
I'm I'm counting on Candace. Oh,
boy. We're in trouble now.
And and I'll put out a little plug
for local papers. I know with you I
get a few delivered to me from different
areas, and I still enjoy reading the local
(57:50):
papers.
Yep. I know they're on their way out.
That won't be too long. They're not they're
not as good as they
well, I'm not sure they ever were really
good,
but they certainly had more news
twenty years ago when I Yeah. First moved
here. Yeah. Well,
anyway, okay. Well, I wanna thank Candace. Candace
came as kind of the last minute to
(58:11):
help us out today. Oh, it's so fun.
Well, it is. You know? It just is.
And the And you guys are my bros,
You know? As as long as helping us
out. If you,
have an idea for a show or you
wanna be on a show other than politics,
I mean, we could talk about the salmon
season, in fact, if you wanted to
or anything else. I'm going to enjoy some
local caught salmon right after this program. Oh,
(58:32):
are you really? Lucky you. You have a
friend that The big fish that Joey caught.
Anyway, I'll we'll talk about that tomorrow.
Right. So jealous. Thanks everybody for listening. KCIWLP
one hundred point seven
FM in beautiful Brookings, Oregon.
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