December 13, 2025 • 59 mins
In this episode of the Doc & Jacques radio variety show, Kenny Lee shares his musical journey, from growing up in Detroit and being inspired to pursue music after seeing the Beatles in concert, to teaching himself drums and playing in school bands. He recounts joining the Beatles tribute band Beatlemania after responding to an ad, collaborating with band members, and touring internationally. Kenny also describes memorable encounters with Beatles members and Julian Lennon. Currently, he hosts “Kenny, the Star Mania” live karaoke events, where he accompanies singers on guitar, offering a unique twist by performing without lyric screens. The conversation highlights his influences, experiences in music, and ongoing creative projects with his partner, Randee.
Hosts: GiGi “Doc” Reed MD, Jacques Kepner; Producers: GiGi “Doc” Reed MD, Jacques Kepner
Beginning and end music from freepd.com, in the public domain. House of the Rising Sun, performed by Kenny Lee, is a traditional American folk song. The harmonic piece was composed and performed by Kenny Lee.
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(00:09):
Welcome, everyone.
You have now once again entered the cosmic
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of KCIW
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in Brookings, Oregon.
Thank you so much for tuning into this
week's fantastic program.
I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost is, as
always, Jacques Kepner. How are you today, Jacques?
(00:30):
I'm doing finer than a 40, doc. How
are you? I don't even know what the
forty niners are. Are they lousy team this
year? It was my team. I don't even
know anything about football. Okay. Greetings, everyone, and
welcome to the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety
Show. Special thanks to sound engineers Tim Ton,
Bozak, Michael Vorse, if you're out there, Linda
Bozak, and, of course, Ray Simon and others.
(00:51):
You're hearing this live syndicated show on KCIW
in Brookings, Oregon. That said, this same syndicated
show will play in one week from now
in the morning on Wednesday
at 8AM on KZZH
ninety six point seven and where? Eureka and
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KFUG one hundred and one point one FM
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in Crested City, California. So there you know,
we've got your coasts covered.
Okay. It's that time when good medicine and
health tips are presented by my German medical
doctor who is also a patent holding scientist.
I found out you have four patents, not
three. She always tells me he has three,
but she has four.
What medical marvels do you have for us
today, professor Gigi, on this segment of MDGigi?
(01:35):
So today, we'll talk about fats.
Fat? Fats. Oh, I'm right down that alley.
Yeah. I know all about it. I know
you do.
Listen up. Fats might be among the most
misunderstood nutrients in the modern diet,
yet the body depends on it on them,
all of them, every minute of the day.
They're not just padding on our waistline.
(01:57):
Fats also power metabolism,
build cell membranes, and that's when they're in
the form of phospholipids,
carry essential vitamins,
cushion organs, and help regulate hormones and inflammation.
Cushion organs like, you know,
couch potato kind of person? Kinda. Hey. I'm
not fat. I'm just horizontally challenged, doctor.
(02:20):
And I'm not overweight.
I'm just under tall. Okay?
Alright. Let's talk about what fats are chemically.
You know, I'm a biochemist.
When fats are
labeled when the labels call for fat, they're
usually referring to something called triglycerides.
Oh, we've heard of those. They are molecules
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that are made of a glycerol, which is
basically a half a sugar,
half a glucose, with three long fatty acids.
These same fatty acids can exist
on their own as free fatty acids and
then travel in the in the blood to
do their little thing like being our,
energy, loose change energy,
(03:02):
quick energy. But usually, they are actually
bound to those triglyceride acid triglyceride.
And what are they they
enter what issues, like your muscles or your
liver
kind of, these fatty acids? Yeah. They go
that's where they usually go to fuel the
tissues
such as muscle. They're kinda like the quick
food we use for energy. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
(03:23):
Mhmm. Well, I'm not fat. I'm just very
easy to see. Mhmm.
And, hey, I don't
need I don't need a gym in there,
Ray.
I burn off calories just trying to squeeze
into my jeans.
Quite a workout. What else, doc? So the
fatty acids can be now listen up. This
is the education part of it.
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Any fatty acid can be saturated
or unsaturated.
Gotcha.
And depending on what they are, it shapes
our health. So what are they? Saturated fatty
acids have no double bonds Oh, chemical stuff.
And are basically
straight. Oh, there's great information. From a saturated
or straight. They're not squares. Unsaturated
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unsaturated
fatty acids can be in trans
or cis formation. Did you say trans? Mhmm.
Okay. Or cis. Okay. So And that's c
I s just so it Imagine a fatty
acid being
a long thing like a long drinking straw.
The trans and unsaturated fatty acids
are the straight kind. And the cis
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fatty acid in double bond with a cis
formation are the bindi kind. Like a bindi
straw. Like a bindi straw. The only exercise
I do is jumping to conclusions.
As you may know, here's a little fun
oh, I'm back. You could you could take
over. I'm done. So the fun fact that
we wanna talk about is that we heard
about omega three or omega six fatty acids,
(04:49):
and we're all, oh, I want the omega
blah blah. All this says is actually that
omega three means it's the third
c from the last one, from the omega
one that has a double bond, or omega
six is the sixth one from the end.
It's the double bond. Speaking like a German,
it's, omega. It's omega,
not o m g. I keep saying that.
(05:09):
I think sort of oh, shit. This is
not smiling.
Okay. I am so fat. My waistline has
its own time zone.
Okay. What else? I'm explaining imp important. I
know. I know you're I love you. I
won't I won't joke and
Good joke. Flossful of bits. So the triglycerides
are, you know, how you wanted to say
(05:31):
the short term quick energy. The triglycerides
are our long term energy or savings account
units.
K. So because they pack a lot more
energy
in the form of a two p ATP
as we call it or even calories as
you're
counting right now, than carbohydrates or protein.
(05:51):
In routine lab works, we actually test for
the blood triglycerides.
Mhmm. And they show you if you have
elevated
fats in the blood or not. And that
has nothing to do actually with the cholesterol,
believe it or not. Wow. And we know
where cholesterol comes from.
Yes. You do.
Yeah. Kitties.
(06:12):
Kiddies. No. They regulate the blood pressure. No.
I knew that. I'm just testing. Oh, okay.
I'm gonna drop that out. Liver. Say liver.
Liver, I mean. Yeah. Yeah. I was close
to it.
I'm so fat oh, I like this one.
I'm so fat, doctor Gigi, that my cereal
bowl comes with a lifeguard.
And speaking of swimming,
I do not skinny dip. I just chunky
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dunk.
Okay. Moving on. We talked about the triglycerides,
the long storage. Now the phospholipids
are the ones
that are also long story, but they're a
part of our cell membranes,
Meaning each and every one of our gazillion
cells in our body is
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encompassed, encircled
by a cell membrane,
by phospholipids.
So here comes the zinger.
If there are a higher than normal concentration
of the straight fatty acids
in there, be it from the unsaturated or
trans fats,
then the cells cannot function properly.
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They don't the cell membranes are not in
their normal configurations
and they cannot
function properly. They
might get sick, pathology,
or and it will increase the production
of inflammation
molecules in our body and the increase of
the bad cholesterol. LDL, the bad cholesterol. Yeah.
I take a half a pill of those
(07:34):
every night since I don't know. How long
does that my Robostatin, you take? Yeah. It
was up a little bit, but I don't
take many. I only take 17 other pills.
So,
I'm still
fat, doctor,
that by the time I turn around, it's
my birthday again.
Oh.
So let's talk about fat rich diet. Goodness.
Fat rich diet means that they receive about
(07:56):
35 to 40% of calories from fat alone.
Now there are different kind of fat or
or more. Right? There are different kinds of
fat rich,
diets and they depending on what fats we're
using, they actually make us sick or just
full Are you talking about the keto diet
where you're eating a bunch of meat and
eggs and everything that Yeah. The ketogenic diet
(08:18):
actually has about 70 to 80%
of calories from fats
and very low carbohydrates.
So that shifts the metabolism toward
ketone production, which is a whole other hour
worth explanation
worth to Oh, yeah. We can cut ketones
and Yeah. Why that is. But it's but
(08:38):
what you you can think is that fats
can only burn in the so called fire
of the carbohydrates.
If you don't eat any carbohydrates, you cannot
actually get the calories
out of the fats. So that's why people
lose weight on it. However,
the long term impact hinges on whether those
fats are unsaturated,
(08:59):
trans, or
cis in nature. And like heavy and processed
meats and butter and stuff like that. That
would be the
trans and Right. Unsaturated. Calvary County, that really
is it's it kinda sucks. I was so
hungry last night that I accidentally ate all
of my cat's food.
Oh. Don't ask meow. Meow.
(09:20):
Meow. Meow.
Doctor Gigi put me on a very strict
medical diet diet of only 1,200
calories per day. Yep. Luckily, she didn't know
anything about the nights.
Didn't say anything about adult
Alright. Let's talk about some of these diets.
The Mediterranean diet It's kinda famous. Is another
one that has actually pretty rich amount of
(09:42):
good fats, meaning the,
unsaturated
in cis formation.
So we find that in nuts, seeds, fish,
they're good. They're rich in good fatty acids.
So they actually
lower
the bad cholesterol, the LDL, and reduces cardiovascular
risk.
(10:02):
Interesting. Doctor Gigi told me to lose some
weight, and I asked how.
And she said, don't eat
anything fatty.
As I left, I said, thank you, doctor.
And she replied, you're welcome, fatty.
Okay.
Okay. Now let's put a damper on all
this. One little,
(10:24):
fat stuff. The typical Western diet, as we
have here, is usually very high in saturated
fats. True. Trans
omega six rich oils Omega. Refined carbohydrates,
ultra processed foods,
which then drives for elevated LDL,
the bad cholesterol,
fat gain around our belly or inside, insulin
(10:44):
resistance,
and worse,
cholesterol changes as well, which then is called
metabolic
x syndrome.
Not good. Well, now we know more about
fat. Did you know that I used to
be a fat psychic doctor? Mhmm. Yep. I
was known as a four chin
teller.
(11:05):
Yep. But but that didn't last long. You
know? It didn't last long. And after that,
I got so fat that my shadow
had a shadow. Who's this? Alright. Yeah. Okay.
Okay. Well, thank you for that
very entertaining and,
somewhat understandable,
dissertation
dissertation.
(11:25):
A dissertation on the sure. On the the
fats, the good and bad fats. And we
all have fats, regardless how skinny we are.
Right? Right. Yep. Fats are good. Alright. Now
let's turn our attention to our headlining guest
that joins us in the studio today and
someone that we are very excited to learn
more about.
As you know, about half of our weekly
guests are those that are musically inclined or
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accomplished musicians themselves.
Do you know how many guests have sat
in the studio with us, dear doctor Gigi?
How many, pray tell? I counted them last
night. You did? Yep. We have had 252
people in the studio since we began broadcasting.
Now, a lot of those were like when
we had the
princesses of the queen. We had like eight
of them in at one time or they
(12:08):
did a double shift kinda. Yeah. And a
lot of people, people come in oftentimes with
a friend or Yeah. Spouse or whatever like
we have today.
But
this morning, I did. I counted up to
252. So there we stand. Now two fifty
four. I didn't count today.
Alright. Most of these, or half of them
I'd say, were musicians,
and we like this. Well, today's guest fits
(12:30):
right into this category, and his background is
very unique and fascinating.
Today, on our show, we've we're joined by
a man who carried the beat that defined
a generation.
Kenny Lee Crady is an accomplished
artist and he's a musician who, amongst other
things, sat behind the drum kit as who?
(12:52):
Ringo
Starr in the tribute band, Beatlemania. Well, we'll
find out a lot about this later. He
traveled the globe, and he recreated the magic
of the Fab Four to forging his own
creative path. And Kenny Lee brings stories, rhythm,
and a love for music that transcends time.
So today on the Doc and Jacques Radio
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Show, we're excited to welcome
Kenny Lee to the Doc and Jacques Show
and your partner, Randy. Hey, Randy. Hey. Hello.
Hello. Welcome both of you. Thank you. Thanks
for the invite. He's got a good And
thanks for looking at his jokes. I've had
a little bit of practice. Oh, man. You
you gotta seriously, does he not I'm looking
at the engineers. Does he not have a
(13:32):
good voice for the radio? Wow. Good voice.
Thanks a lot. Okay. Gigi, lead off. Our
question's for Kenny Lee. Okay. Or you wanna
praise his voice a little more?
We are not worthy. We're always looking for
good voices.
If you know anybody, let us know. Where
were you born and raised?
Actually, I come from Detroit, Michigan. Mhmm. I
was born there,
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and I grew up there. And,
in 1979,
I moved out to California.
Oh, cool. Okay. I guess, kind of like
Motown did a few years prior to that.
So you were kinda young then and I
was 23. Alright. In '79. When did you
actually come to our coast here up here?
Well, up to the coast
(14:15):
was,
2016.
Oh, so you got arrived in the Brookings
Crescent City region Yep. In 2015? What's that?
Nine years ago? Ten years well, nine years
ago. Yeah. Coming up ten years? No. We
Probably twenty six. Weeks away. Right? Yep. You
brought your better half, Randy. How long have
you guys been together?
Fourteen years Oh, and counting. Yeah. She's gone
(14:37):
again. It's safe for her to give the
answer.
And we had we met online.
Really? One of those
those dating line things, you know. And it
worked out. Nice.
I saw a picture of a guy that
was dressed mod,
and I said, oh, let me try that.
(14:58):
Looks interesting. Oh, interesting. So And then you
realized it wasn't the same guy, but you
still liked him. Well, it wasn't the guy
that she went for. Actually, I put a
picture of myself on a on a horse,
a white horse.
Uh-oh. Nice to meet you.
With the horse, really. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You can see a good picture of
Kenny, a good picture that I kind of
(15:19):
adjusted a little bit on Facebook today under
his jacket. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Is
that a good picture? It's yours, man. Oh,
that's mine. That's psychedelico. Yeah. That's good. Yeah.
Yep. Kenny, tell us about your career path.
Well,
actually,
for a number of years, I performed in
musical groups in the Detroit area before I
moved out to the West Coast.
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And
in 1979,
in the '9,
when I got here,
I went auditioning for different groups. Mhmm. I
went to a very mysterious
audition.
A man had put
an ad in Music Connection. It's a real
popular
magazine in the L. A. Area. Okay, this
(16:02):
is L. A. In California. Uh-huh. Yeah. You're
a young man. And so
he said,
I called the number on there and
he said, well, I basically am playing songs
anywhere from The Beatles, Rolling Stones,
over to Elvis,
maybe Bread.
Remember Bread? Yeah. Recorded the song, I Wanna
Make It With You. Oh.
(16:23):
Yeah. Popular '70s songs. And so,
I thought, okay, well, this could be in
my bag. So I went for the audition
and when I got there, the most frustrating
part about it was every
song that we played was a disco version
of it.
So could you imagine I Want to Hold
Your Hand, a disco version? No.
(16:44):
No. Yeah.
So I thought, oh, boy.
Outside there was Taco Bell. I hope that's
not a problem to plug them. But anyway,
I went over there and I met this
other man
who was waiting for his band
to arrive. This was a rehearsal studio in
the Hollywood area.
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And so,
he he asked me, said, are you doing
okay? He said, you have a really disgruntled
expression on your face. And I told him,
well, you know, you're watching through the glass
window
there and of course you can see what
is happening. We are just killing these songs.
We are hacking them. And so,
he said, he told me about an audition
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that was going to be taking place
and he gave me the phone number of
Nick St. Nicholas, who
that's How appropriate in December, right?
Which happens to be the stage name for
the bass player in Steppenwolf.
So I said, okay, well, you know,
I'm gonna call this number. It's gonna be
(17:47):
a cold call. So I'll tell him that
you gave me the number. I don't remember
the man's name now.
But, so I called and I spoke with
Nick
and I went over there and we rehearsed
for a number of days.
And the main
issue
that promoters
couldn't get behind
is that, John Kaye,
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the voice of Steppenwolf,
wouldn't be involved in this project.
So unfortunately, you know, but it was a
great experience.
I met
a number of people,
in that time frame, you know.
And,
one of the things that I had done
before I had come out to California is
(18:29):
I taught drums in a mom and pop
music store.
Mhmm. Cute. Yeah. So in the daytime,
I was in the school band.
I had four years This back, I'm asking
for your backstory. So keep coming with us.
We wanna know the start here early. I'll
give you the back and the front.
Okay. You got it. Yeah. So anyway,
(18:50):
I know the full Monty, right? Okay. Wait
a second. Sorry. This is a family show,
right?
So you're young and you're giving drum lessons.
Drum lessons? Yeah. That was, once again, that
was a referral from a schoolmate.
And he said, The music store, this mom
and pop music store,
the drum teacher had quit.
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And so we went over there and I
got hired.
And so in the daytime, I was in
the school band. And then afterwards, I would
teach drums at this mom and pop music
store.
But you have a guitar with you now,
but that comes later where you got Oh.
Yeah. But you haven't heard me play drums
on it yet. Okay. How about where am
I I can play Wipeout on there if
you want.
Wait. So but so you had drum lessons
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yourself before? Are you just winging it?
Just learned there. Oh, that's a secret.
Shoot. I shouldn't have asked that. Oh, wait
a minute. This is a loaded question. Can
we turn off the mics right now?
No. Actually, what had happened
is even further
back,
in 1966
when the Beatles had recorded
(19:54):
their album, Revolver Mhmm. Okay,
my uncle, my dad's brother, who unfortunately is
not with us now,
he bought a drum set out of the
local newspaper.
And
he figured out how to play that backwards
drumbeat
that's on,
Tomorrow Never Knows, the final song on Revolver.
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It's a very unique drum beat.
And
when I think about it,
he was actually very talented, but he was
also a show off because when he would
play that beat, he would twirl his sticks.
You know, so here we got this majorette,
you know, and this fantastic drummer. And I
went, you know what? I've gotta do that.
(20:37):
You gotta learn how to do that. Yeah.
I've gotta do that. You're doing this. You're
young at this point. Yeah. And a couple
years prior to that, I saw the Beatles
in concert.
Oh, wow. When they came out Of The
States? Yep.
That's correct.
That once again was
a sort of a fluke
because
I wanted to go after many people, maybe
some of us here, saw the Beatles on
(20:59):
Ed Sullivan. That's right. February
1964.
Yeah.
And so,
I had the records. I had
the albums.
And I wanted to go see the group.
And my
mom, she said, well,
yeah. Yeah. They we could arrange that. Did
they play in Detroit? Yeah, they did. I
did not. Yeah. Yeah. They ended up at
Candlestick on San Francisco. That was their last
(21:22):
Exactly. In in '66. Yeah. Yeah. August
1966.
My dad, he was very hesitant about this.
He's not getting mixed up in all of
that. You know, this is chaos. Yeah. Yeah.
You know? And so what was interesting is
across the street from us,
there was a girl that was about four
years older
than myself.
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And she got two tickets,
one for herself and a friend. And the
friend got sick that day. Oh, lucky you.
And so then I kind of I kinda
use this word.
I kinda badgered,
you know, my dad said, you know, she's
gonna need a ride.
I mean, I worked it from every angle
possible. Yeah. And you know what she did?
(22:04):
Because her father worked at US Steel, which
a lot of people in that area. Yeah.
And, he was on the swing shift.
And she said, Yeah, my dad's not gonna
be able to take me. And I said,
Well, we'll figure out something here. So then
she came across the street and she worked
my dad from one side and I worked
him from the other. And he gave me
He finally said, Okay. Yeah. Here's the keys.
Get down. Just come back safely. Yeah. Don't
(22:27):
come back hippie. So I went. Wow.
Maybe in a couple years.
So we, we went to see that and
that was amazing.
You know, I I heard music a couple
of times and that was when the girls
caught their
breath. The rest of the time they were
screaming.
Right. On their way into the auditorium, it
was,
(22:47):
Olympia Stadium
in Detroit.
And, of course, it's been demolished since.
There were girls, they were going into the
auditorium, they were singing the Beatles songs, and
then they were even taken to the couple
notches higher. And one girl would say to
the other, What would you do if Paul
asked you to marry him? You know,
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You know? And I mean, it was hysteria
before we even get in the auditorium.
You know? So Wow. It was exciting. It's
a rare time. Even though I didn't hear
music all of the time, you know, it
was just being part of a history making
event. Wow. Cool. Well, listeners, you're gonna hear
why we're discussing this because there is a
tie in to the Beetle with Kenny Lee.
(23:30):
But let's back it up a little bit
more before we get to the those things
about the Beatles.
What was the very first instrument you played?
Was it drums? No.
Actually, it was a it was a cheap,
maybe a 50¢ or a dollar,
harmonica.
Okay. So you still play a little harp?
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've got all the keys.
I've got two of them with me today.
Yeah. They're very
(23:51):
good. Yeah. Duh. That's right. Yep. That's right.
And what is your favorite instrument? Well, I
would have to say my favorite is the
drums
because
I just feel very at home there.
I can play almost anything on the drums
Right on. Because I'm so familiar with it.
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I picked up drumsticks in, 1966
when I saw my uncle playing his drum
set. Right on. You know, and he sort
challenged
me. You know, he didn't say, you'll never
do this. He said, I'll bet you can't
do that. And I went The old trick.
Yeah. Yeah. Like one of the Three Stooges
spread out. Right on. And We always ask
this, did you study ever study music in
(24:33):
school? Oh, you were in the band? Yeah.
I was in the school band. Yeah. For
four years. You read music. Ever read music?
Yeah. And that's a rare. Alright. A rare
one because most Nope. Instrument most musicians that
we have do. Okay, Gigi. Takeover.
Okay.
Now,
ask another question. Do you know what synesthesia
is? Oh, I was gonna ask Or I'm
(24:53):
allergic to them.
That's a good response. Yeah. K. But you're
gonna that's where you when you play music,
do you see symbols or colors or numbers
when you are Or do you associate,
you know, something different, like colors within with
the notes? Or
something? Actually, I know what it is. For
many
I just saw the mess with you. Sweat.
I hate to sweat a little bit. I
(25:14):
see sweat on your forehead. Gotcha on this
one. You're right. Oh, are you?
Yeah. No. It's funny. I took the actually,
I stole that answer from
from one of Ringo's,
Ringo isms,
as they call it. But,
you know,
many musicians
call it being in the zone.
(25:36):
That's another, you know, another description for it.
Or someplace else as you're so carried away
by the beauty of the moment. That doesn't
happen all the time. It has happened a
couple of times, you know, but usually because
I'm the drummer, I have to be paying
attention to what's going on out there. Because
if the bottom falls out, then everyone's staring
at me. Right. You know? So what band
or artist has impressed you the most? Oh,
(26:00):
that's like asking me, do I have a
favorite Beatles song?
You know?
Yeah. Well The most is like the most
is often used to do. That's
There's so many. Well, there's there's the Beatles
because I saw them and I appreciate their
music, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin. As far
as one single artist though Yeah. Because I
saw him and I had a chance to
(26:21):
meet him and talk to him and there
were a bunch of other kids around as
well. His Buddy Rich.
Drummer Buddy Rich. Wow.
He is amazing. Yeah. Who is he a
drummer for? Oh, he had a he was
a big his band. He was like a
big band. He was the most versatile
drummer of the drummer. You know, there's there's
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there's also Gene Krupa. You know, this is
going back in the big band era. Okay.
And,
I watched them, and they're just
I don't know. It's there actually, there's no
way to describe it. It's just phenomenal.
So you have always been doing music, basically.
Did you, like, from the you you went
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from
selling stuff in the music store or doing
the you really did the drum teaching. Right?
And then you were in the band. Did
you that that was your direction? That was
your I was a little bit of a
a a Jacques.
Oh, you were. Of all trades. No, actually,
the other thing
that
careful now. I'll let you buy it. You
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let that one go by. I'm okay. I'm
I promise I won't use it again.
Honest.
Yeah. Is the other thing that I did
because,
another uncle, my mom's brother, he had a
TV radio repair shop about three or four
miles away from our home.
And I was fascinated by that.
And so,
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what I did in junior high and in
high school,
when people had pretty much given up on
an old record player phonograph Mhmm. Or radio
or television set,
my uncle had given me a bag of
tubes.
You know, most of them were used.
What I would do is figure out which
one needed to be replaced and revive that
TV. Very cool. And then I put it
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in what was in
the local Detroit area, a paper called The
Trading Times.
And,
every, I mean,
pretty much every city has one where you
can resell things.
And so
I would revive that TV set and put
it in there. And I always had an
ad running every week
for $25.
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Oh. So I had that business going as
well as teaching drums at the mom and
pop music store. Right. The very cool. Okay.
Now, we're gonna step up the program in
just a moment because we're gonna get into
what really
really has to be an incredible journey that
you took next. But before that, I have
to say time flies when we're having fun.
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It's already that mid break time here at
the Doc and Jacques Live radio show. We're
proudly broadcasting from the KCIW one hundred point
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And lastly, my dear co host, doctor Gigi
Reed and yours truly,
on behalf of KCAW,
thanks to all of you.
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Alright. It's that time.
Yeah. So I have a priest
question. I'll do you get with your question.
No. Nick sent Nick Nick.
Yeah. That's a tricky name. Oh, how does
he You know, his real name is Stan
Nussbaum.
Oh, Nussbaum,
Germany name. Exactly. Yeah. Alright. So Stan, good
old mister Nussbaum Mhmm. How does he tie
in into what we actually are gonna talk
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about here in a minute?
Like, we made it His his home
where I rehearsed
with the former members of Steppenwolf.
Mhmm.
We could look out the kitchen window and
see the Capitol Records Tower. It was right.
Cool. It was right there. Right in the
heart of Hollywood.
You know, so I did that for some
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time. And unfortunately,
sometimes the rocket doesn't take off. I see.
You know, that's what happened in that case.
And it was frustrating for the other band
members because Mhmm. They just couldn't entice
John k, who's the mighty voice of Steppenwolf.
And you put on those songs, that's the
Right. That's what stands out.
Yeah. Okay.
Let's let's graduate. Here it is. Drumbeat.
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Tell us about
Beatlemania
and what Beatlemania is all about and what
years did it happen. And then
as you go, how did you land that
position? Well,
the interesting thing about it is in the
same newspaper, The Recycler and Music Connection,
I saw an advertisement
for,
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to be the drummer
of the local Beatles tribute group Mhmm. In
the LA area. So I answered the ad
and went over there and met the three
other guys. And I got the position,
you know,
and we played around the local LA area.
A good percentage of the performances were free,
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you know. And
in the process, I asked the other band
members, would they be interested in touring?
And
the person who played Paul, the person who
played George
said, Yeah, yeah, they were definitely down for
it. And the person who played John Lennon
in this Beatles tribute group, he just didn't
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want to go on tour. He was still
being rapped with Yoko.
Exactly. Yeah.
Yoko had a spell on it. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. Even from that distance. Oh.
Yeah. What year was this? Yeah. This is
the 1989.
Okay. Cool. So and this is prior to
the Beatlemania thing. But so what I had
done though, because I felt that
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the people in the band
were excited about touring, I got a copy
of what's called Performance
Spotlight.
It's a directory of all the venues across
The US.
And I had contacted some people.
And then the interesting thing about this directory
is it gives you the name of the
venue. It will say, you know, whether it's
a theater or auditorium.
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And then it gives you the phone number
and the contact person
who makes the decision to hire entertainment.
You know, you don't have to go try
and bulldoze the gatekeeper.
You know, you get right to the man
or woman Mhmm. Who makes that decision.
Well, I had a few people on the
hook.
I contacted
them. They said, Oh, heck, yeah. You know,
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I would definitely be interested in booking a
Beatles tribute. You know, that's early for tribute
bands too, right? I mean Yeah. Today, they're
quite common. Well, see what's something, Jacques, is
that, of course, Beatlemania was the first one.
There were a bunch of knock off groups
right now that are impersonating the Beatles. Sure.
And so,
I had, a handful of people that were
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interested in doing this. So I went back
to,
the band and I was practicing. This was
this group, it was called Twist and Shout,
named after one of the songs The Beatles
recorded. They didn't write it, but they made
a great hit out of it. Really? And
so oh, yeah. Yeah. The Isway Brothers.
Hey, are the Beatles songs considered easy songs
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to play? I mean, are they You know
what, something
that's really I don't think they are. Yeah.
You know, there are some of them, especially
the cover songs that are
and this is not to cheapen them like
the
covers that they did of Chuck Berry's songs.
They're very basic rhythm and blues songs. If
you're familiar when people say, Oh, that's a
blues song. It's a one four five.
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So you start in one, that's your bass
chord, and then you go up to a
fourth chord, and then you go up to
the fifth chord, you know. And some of
the Beatles songs are are that that pattern,
that structure.
Some of them began to get more complex.
We have minors, minor sevenths, and all of
these other crazy chords. And then all the
studio stuff, Paul is dead. Paul is a
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walrus or whatever. That was layered. Put me
on dead man. Put me on dead man.
Is that what it's saying? Dead man. Oh.
Number nine. Well, the other
the other thing though is with the Beatles,
they have the harmony on credit. Harmony. Right?
So that is
a big Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's Well,
right? Yeah. As far as the the recording
aspect, that's see, that's that's another topic.
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But as far as the structure of the
songs, it depends on the songs. Some are
pretty bare bones,
you know, and it's just about energy. It's
rock and roll and energy. Some other songs
are a little more introspective
too.
And that's where they've become busier.
Okay. I'm gonna throw out this on on,
off script. But like, Michelle,
is that considered an on?
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Michelle, and then That one is a little
more complex. Yeah. Because you have some chords
that are minor chords, minor seventh chords, you
know, and then it becomes more involved. The
long and winding
road. Yeah. Same there. There are major seventh
chords in that one. I mean, every time
I sing Are you musically inclined because you
live with this
music person?
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Well, yeah. I'm I'm all music. Oh, good.
Well, good math. Music and I've been in
dance myself. What? Doing what? Singing our lives.
Singer. Playing drums. Oh, really?
I like
this. Oh, I like this. I've been in
four bands.
Now you have to see, Randy. She is
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a tiny little person. So you you kind
of
man, the drum set. Oh, jeez. Wow. Very
well. I'm under tall.
Under tall. Not overweight.
Yeah. I had a blast
playing in bands. Wow. You know? Oh, very
And,
it just so happens, you know, he I
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met him online
and,
he played drums and
The commonality with drums? You know what's interesting
is that that wasn't On all music. In
either profile.
Neither one of us put had put that
in our profile. Really? No. Oh, that's pretty
good. I mean, Devon to be, appreciating music,
yes. But as far as being a a
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drummer Mhmm. That wasn't in there.
When you were in Beatlemania, did you have
to look like the Beatles? Yeah. Did you
look like the Beatles? Ringo? That's kind of
tricky because,
I have a couple of stages where I
could say that I resemble him, especially with
the mustache Mhmm. Or the mustache and the
beard.
I can get that mid sixties,
to later sixties,
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image. But as far as and I have
blue eyes like Ringo.
Mhmm.
Yeah. And
did you sing
on the move? Yeah. Okay. So you sing.
So you're saying so you have to learn
the harmony stuff too? Well, yeah. Oh, yeah.
That's definitely because, you know,
if you yeah, playing the drums, sometimes
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you can play a beat pattern Mhmm. Where
your right hand, let's say if you're right
handed, your right hand is your dominant hand.
It could be playing eighth notes
on the cymbal or could be even busier
yet playing sixteenth notes. Yeah. And then sing
with that too. Wow. Remember the song that
the Beatles covered? It was a country song.
It was called Act Naturally. All we gotta
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do is act naturally. Yep. Oh, yeah. Yep.
Act naturally. That's
one right there
where your right hand is busy
playing those eighth notes on the high hat
cymbal. Wow. You know, so and that and
singing, and there are some some phrases that
are not on time.
I mean, they're out of sync, so it
can be involved. I think drummers have the
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hardest job of any of the instruments because
you gotta know so much. You have to
have that beat, which so many of us
really don't have. We don't have that inner
beat.
I just think it's incredibly hard. You do
not wanna hear what I sound like on
drums. Oh, now I'm interested.
I'm basically just
You know what, Jacques, I promise not to
record you though.
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Yeah, it'll be our secret.
Now tell us some fun stories, great stories,
anything about any of the Beatlemania. We've traveled
with them, right? Traveled with them, right? Traveled
with the performances.
So you know what? Let me finish the
other part of that. You got it. Wait,
wait. There's more. Yeah, yeah. See,
I've only given you the back story and
now we're gonna flip it over and give
the front story. Alright. You got it. Is
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that,
so having the problem with the one member
in the local LA group that didn't wanna
tour. Oh, yes. Okay. I said, Oh, man.
I threw up my hands in the air
and I went, you know, I wish you
know what? I wish I could contact
someone who was involved in Beatlemania because that's
probably what the guys are doing full time.
And there are some other this is another
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group, Beatlemania? No, no, no. This is the
so while I was in Twist and Shout,
I asked the person who was playing
Paul McCartney,
and he said, I have a phone number
from one of the guys in Beatlemania, one
of the original members. And he gave me,
Les Fradkin,
who played the original George in Beatlemania.
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Mhmm.
He gave me
his phone number and I called him. I
said,
you know, this is gonna be a cold
call.
Maybe you'll think it's a prank call. But
I was calling him. I said, I explained
how I had contacted all these venues
and
explained
I wanted to see if they were interested
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in putting on a Beatlemania show, a Beatles
tribute show. And he said,
his answer was,
So Kenny,
you're telling me you have real gigs that
pay real money. I said, Yes. He said,
Count me in.
You know, you've got my attention. And I
went,
whew, wiping all the beads of sweat off
my forehead because, you know, if you've ever
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made a cold call on something and you
get both fingers crossed and your toes crossed
and everything,
and so then I said, Well,
so let me give you an idea what
the itinerary consists of right now. So I
told him the cities
that
were on hold.
And so then he said, You know what?
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I will give you the phone numbers of
the other people who were involved in Beatlemania.
Now originally, there were four people, of course,
like the Beatles.
But then there were also eight
people. Because see, while the first half of
the show was on, there were four guys
backstage
changing into the Sergeant Pepper outfits. Later years.
The later years, all of that stuff. So
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but he gave me I've got about a
dozen phone numbers.
So he gave me the main
characters,
the understudies,
the subs, you know, any substitutes.
And so I contacted the other people.
And the next person I
spoke to, his name was Mark, he played
the part of John Lennon.
And in his typical
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Brooklyn accent, he went, Hey, man. So you
spoke to the professor,
Yeah, count me in. And I went, great.
You know,
so
he was a riot, you know.
And so, and then I contacted the
third person.
So that's how I put together that. And
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then I just made more calls.
So now the interesting part about it is
that
the people who were involved in Beatlemania, each
one of them was kind of a subcontractor
or independent contractor
and they had done the same thing.
So now sometimes,
I was included in some of those gigs.
Sometimes I wasn't.
But the contacts that I had made, you
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know, I signed the contract.
And I agreed to have four people
there to perform. You know, we played at
Iron World in,
in Hibbing, Minnesota, where Bob Dylan grew up.
In fact, the promoter took us there to
see his childhood home.
And so, you know, I I put my
name on the line and I was the
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one who was given the check for, you
know So you kept some of your original
Twist and Shout people? Were they part of
the Well, the Twist and Shout people, unfortunately,
they weren't part of it. Oh. Because because
But some of them wanted to. Right? They
twisted Yeah. Yeah. Fell off the tree. Yeah.
Yeah. So they fell off the tree, unfortunately.
And so, you know, I had to
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because I was friends with the people, you
know, but I had to make that decision
that I wanted to go forward with that.
So
to give you the back story and front
story, I never auditioned for it. In fact,
the fashion
Yeah, I didn't because see, it already had
come and gone as far as the Broadway
production.
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And Beatlemania.
And what I did
is,
the first, in fact, the first time that
I met them
was,
I think it was the Iron World.
And you went overseas? Did you go overseas
with these groups? Yeah. Yeah. I went to
Hong Kong.
Went over there to perform. Went to Canada.
How was it? Was there a reason? Thunder
(42:57):
Bay. Oh. Always. You know, it's something as
the excuse
because it's not meant to be mean. When
we went to Hong Kong, it was,
Beatle, Beatle.
You know what I mean? They didn't speak
English, but they appreciated us. And they were
just freaking out, you know? So it was
great, the reception. Have you ever met any
of the Beatles? Or of course, why? And
you know what's something?
(43:17):
Is that
I met Paul, George, and Ringo.
I met Julian, John Lennon's son, but unfortunately,
just timing wise,
I was never able to meet John. Yeah.
Right.
And Julian, he was great.
So you were in Beatlemania, you were the
drummer. You were Ringo Starr. What did Ringo
(43:38):
Starr tell you when he saw you?
You really wanna know? Yeah.
He went, oh, so you're one of them.
Oh, no. Alright.
Seriously.
Yeah.
Okay.
But see, that's Ringo. Okay. We're gonna I'm
gonna bring this up to date. We're we're
gonna we're getting within fifteen minutes of the
things. We're gonna go Yeah. We went through
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to ahead. What are you doing these days?
Now you've you've brought your your expertise. What
do you you got some things going on
like New Year's Eve. Right?
What's going on? Actually, it's Christmas Eve. Christmas
Eve, that's right. Christmas Eve, alright. And you're
all invited. And it's down at the Port
Stine, South Beach? South Beach, yeah. The South
Beach location.
We're having
a, I'm hosting a Christmas party.
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There'll be music
and food, dancing.
Basically,
what I have done
is,
I came up with this idea
at the beginning of the year in January.
And,
it was it was intended to be a
duo, but then that didn't work out, you
know, for
whatever.
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And so I decided to just take this,
and, I had contacted people
in the area at, different venues.
And,
in the in the interim, I had been
going to karaoke
at the Northcrest
Porta Pines.
And so I told a few people about
it and I got people,
(45:02):
some of the singers
at karaoke that said,
I wish I could do that. I wanna
do that. You know, and I said, Oh,
really?
So then I said, How about
you give me a couple of songs that
you would like to sing
and then I'll put them on my iPad.
And then when I do my next event,
which is in about two or three weeks,
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you can come up and sing those songs.
Cool. Oh, wow. Now, Jacques and Gigi,
the tricky part about it is have you
done karaoke? I have. Oh, yeah. Okay. Have
you done karaoke? I have. Okay.
So you always have the screen to fall
back on. I mean, don't fall on it.
No, but you always have that to rely
on. Right. Okay.
(45:44):
The way I have it is there's no
screen. Ew. So guess what? You better know
the song. You better know the song. And
now you're just drumming it with the guitar.
And I'm singing. Sometimes I sing along and
sometimes I'm just there playing the guitar
to, you know, give the person support. Right.
The the singer that that's gonna It's a
twist. It's karaoke with a twist, but it's
live Sort of like live karaoke. Yeah. And
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you're I've seen the pictures of you up
on stage where you're playing the guitar and
people are jumping up there and having fun,
and the girls are screaming. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And you know what? Something is that I
I like to start it off with something
up tempo like Chubby Checkers Twist.
That's true. And then people sing and dank
yeah. Come on and do the twist. Oh,
yeah. That's true. It goes like this. It's
the twist. Right. Oh, yeah. Okay. I gotta
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tell you. Let's pull up your guitar. Yeah.
Let's pull up your guitar. Let's let's play
a song or two. Play a little harmonica.
Maybe one song. We don't we're Dang. Time
is going fast. Uh-huh. Today, I should've told
you that, Randy. When you're having fun, these
shows go like snap and you're
done. Alright. What are you gonna play here?
This is something,
Well,
this is, more of the traditional
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version
of House of the Rising Sun.
And actually, the interesting part about it is
this is the first song
that I played on the drums.
When my uncle challenged me, he put on
he switched on his stereo
and put on that song.
Okay. Can you play it? It has some
interesting nuances, but I was actually able to
play the beat,
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which kinda blew him away.
Yeah. I said, well, I'm gonna do this
after all.
So and here he is on guitar. You're
doing it on guitar. Kenny Lee on guitar.
Yeah. Let's do it. You guys are dialed
in to Kenny? I have they are engineers.
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There is
a house
in New Orleans
They
call a rise
in sun.
And it's been
a ruin,
a million
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poor boys.
And, yeah,
I know
I'm one
Well, they're all
my mama
She sold
my blue jeans
Oh,
papa.
(48:12):
He was
a no no drunk.
Oh, yeah.
Told you this is the original version.
Yeah. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Cool.
Only thing
a gambler
is.
A win
(48:33):
is good
and
wrong.
Yeah. Mama,
don't let your children
Do
those things
I've done.
But now I'm gonna spend
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my life
in sin and misery
in the house
of the rising
sun.
There is
a house
(49:17):
in New Orleans.
They
call the rising
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Sun. So that's how it's Eric, it's very
bare bones. That is originally
Who originally did that? That would be I
should know. Yeah.
That
guy. That blue guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And
then and then it was made famous by
By the animals. Animals. Yeah. Eric Burton. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Eric Burton and the animals. And
the animals. Oh, my goodness. Yep. Okay. Now
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did you bring har so harmonicas along for
what do you gotta do with the harmonicas?
We need to do we got we got
nine minutes. Yeah. I'm not gonna wait about
something. Well, I I won't play Freebird. That's
nine minutes.
Okay. It's kinda hard just to say play
some harmonica
by yourself or whatnot. I I always love
blues when you you play some blues, and
I love to
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harp.
I have a couple of songs that I,
you know, a couple of doodles, I guess,
you you could call them Doodle.
That I do on the harmonica.
K. And these are originals? Sure. We're we're
not gonna not gonna blow any channels over
here.
I think they're gonna handle it
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Woah. That was hard. That was the eighteenth.
I would not have heard it. I think
I am I think I am a darn
good harp player, but, man, I would think
I could play a single song Wow. Get
through it. Dang. Very good. I know that
was like
what was the what was the timing there?
A trill.
Yeah. Yeah. Some here and there. Yeah. Very
(52:15):
cool. Alright. Now was that is that a
doodle that you wrote or is that just
you going ahead?
It's,
it's a doodle that I wrote. Oh, very
cool. Yeah. Now are you available for hire
to do your Kenny,
the Starmania is what you call it. Right?
That's correct. And you're doing it Christmas Eve
(52:36):
at the New South,
Porta Pine. Porta Pine. Porta Pine. Our friend,
John Kirk, who we all know. Oh, yeah.
John. Place. Yeah. John and,
and Cynthia
have been very gracious and very kind to
me. And
I sat down and spoke to John about
three or four weeks ago
and told him that I'd like to do
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this. I told him I have
a few ideas,
some music ideas, and he was very receptive.
He's a very nice man. Yeah. He is.
Well, and Randy Yes. He is. Randy, you're
accompanying
him almost all the time, right, when he
goes out for his gigs and has fun?
Well, I'm there. Yeah.
I'm a dancer. I'm I've been dancing since
I was three years old. Right on. Right
(53:18):
on. And I just keep on going. That's
I think it does PP, right? It really
does. I think so. You
Music's the thing. Do you have any favorite
venues that you've worked in? Well, you know
what? I've performed at
most of the venues here in Brookings,
the Elk's Club, Augustino,
Pete's Bar and Grill.
(53:38):
Okay. And then I performed at a couple
of them in Crescent City.
I would have to say though,
my favorite
would have to be Porta Pines.
Porta Pines original? The original or North Beach
or South Beach. Actually Big 1 or North
Beach. I would have to say it's sort
of a time. Rika Rika Room, they call
(54:00):
it. Yeah. Yeah. The Riva Room. Yeah. Riva
Room. Okay. Riva Room. Yeah. Alright. Where do
you see yourself in a couple years? What
do you wanna be doing? That's a trick
question.
I know people say that's an interesting question
or that's a good question.
But actually,
what I'd really like to do is,
some of the ideas that I have,
(54:21):
you know, maybe working with John at Porta
Pints,
just to see them to come to fruition.
Right. You know? And that's doctor John Kirk
we're talking about. John Kirk, our friend. Yeah.
He's a he's a good guy. What is
your Gee, you ask this question. I do.
Which one? Last question.
What is your I don't see it. You
(54:42):
ask it. Tombstone. What is your tombstone going
to say? Now we ask this most very
frequently. Oh, I know. Very frequently. You don't
see it on her prompt. He's dead.
He's dead. He's dead.
I think that's probably it. He's dead.
He's dead. That's it. Okay. That's good enough.
Yeah. It's a pretty witty No. It's keep
looking. He's right there. Yeah. He's he's gone.
(55:02):
Don't look anymore.
Oh. Oh, but, Randy, what what is your
tombstone gonna say?
She
has
rhythm. There we go. Cool. Okay. We can't
wait till you gotta get out there and
dance. We'll see you on the dance floor.
We all know something. We've always got I
watched you dance. Yeah. Well, she's got more
of a dance. We're just like, dear lord.
You're good. They,
(55:23):
Frank John Coley calls me. He does the
franken the the Jockenstein.
He's Jockenstein.
Yes.
Alright. Time flies when you're having fun. We
are the very end. We wanna thank both
of you. Randy, thanks for coming on and
accompanying Thank you for having me, man. Really
crazy. Yeah. Yes. Good good good vibes. Good
show. We were we appreciate it. Doctor, do
you have any
(55:44):
jokes for us on Fun Time Corner?
Me jokes? I was thinking. How about quotes?
Quotes. Yes. I have a quote for you.
What do you got? Okay. We're talking about
fats. Right? Losing weight is hard.
Maintaining weight is hard. Staying overweight is hard.
Choose your heart.
Choose your heart. Right
on. Oh. How
about this one? Two slices of bread recently
(56:06):
got married. Yep. The ceremony was going quite
well till somebody decided to toast the bride
and groom.
Oh. Hey, guy.
Hey hey, a screwdriver
a screwdriver goes into a bar and the
bartender says, hey, we have a name, a
drink named after you, a screwdriver.
And the screwdriver looks surprised and says, you
have a drink named Philip?
(56:31):
Alright. What do you got? Another clue? That's
cute.
I found there was only one way to
look thin, hang out with the fat people.
Oh, wow.
That's brutal.
Call them chunky chunky dunking.
Chunky dunking.
We all know that smoking will kill you.
We also know that bacon will kill you.
But did you know that smoking bacon will
cure it? Yeah. That's good.
(56:54):
Good. I got I got Ray. I got
Ray's side. Yeah. I got Ray's side. No.
What do you think else, doc? Yes. I'm
fat, but
I'm fat, but I'm thin inside. There's a
thin man inside every fat man. That's Albert
No. Really. Before fat was kind of out
of use. Hey. When vegetarians give up, something,
do they call it going cold tofu?
(57:16):
Yeah.
I'll have some.
So what? Oh, that's good.
They hear an Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Look. If it jiggles, it's fat.
If it's jiggles, it's
I won't comment on that one. Yeah. I
asked doctor Gigi why carrots are so good
for your eyes, and she responded by asking
me if I'd ever seen a rabbit wearing
glasses.
(57:38):
I said, okay.
When you drop,
how how can you drop a raw egg
on a concrete floor without cracking it? How?
Any way you want. Concrete is really hard
to
crack. Okay. That's it for a. Where are
we?
Okay.
We are thank you again for everybody
playing music.
We didn't have time for yet another harmonica
(58:00):
one. Thank you, Randy, for coming in. Thank
you. We are at the end of our
show. Yeah. It's that time. I I went
to a restaurant last night that serves breakfast
at any time, so I ordered French toast
during the Renaissance.
Did I say that one last week? Yeah.
I think I said it. I did it
last time, but okay. Okay. Maybe it's funny.
Like she jerked. You have been listening to
the Doc and Chuck show on KCOW
(58:23):
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
We hope you enjoyed the show as much
as we have, learning about Kenny Lee, Crady,
Crady, and Randy. Right on. Indeed. Peace and
prosperity to everyone out there. Thanks again, Tom
Bozak, Ray Simon, and Linda out there for
listening, and all the people that make the
syndicated show possible
to be aired up and down our beautiful
(58:43):
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KFCIW.
Thank you. Bye bye. Bye.
Welcome, everyone.
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Thank you so much for tuning into this
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(00:30):
I'm doing finer than a 40, doc. How
are you? I don't even know what the
forty niners are. Are they lousy team this
year? It was my team. I don't even
know anything about football. Okay. Greetings, everyone, and
welcome to the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety
Show. Special thanks to sound engineers Tim Ton,
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(01:12):
in Crested City, California. So there you know,
we've got your coasts covered.
Okay. It's that time when good medicine and
health tips are presented by my German medical
doctor who is also a patent holding scientist.
I found out you have four patents, not
three. She always tells me he has three,
but she has four.
What medical marvels do you have for us
today, professor Gigi, on this segment of MDGigi?
(01:35):
So today, we'll talk about fats.
Fat? Fats. Oh, I'm right down that alley.
Yeah. I know all about it. I know
you do.
Listen up. Fats might be among the most
misunderstood nutrients in the modern diet,
yet the body depends on it on them,
all of them, every minute of the day.
They're not just padding on our waistline.
(01:57):
Fats also power metabolism,
build cell membranes, and that's when they're in
the form of phospholipids,
carry essential vitamins,
cushion organs, and help regulate hormones and inflammation.
Cushion organs like, you know,
couch potato kind of person? Kinda. Hey. I'm
not fat. I'm just horizontally challenged, doctor.
(02:20):
And I'm not overweight.
I'm just under tall. Okay?
Alright. Let's talk about what fats are chemically.
You know, I'm a biochemist.
When fats are
labeled when the labels call for fat, they're
usually referring to something called triglycerides.
Oh, we've heard of those. They are molecules
(02:42):
that are made of a glycerol, which is
basically a half a sugar,
half a glucose, with three long fatty acids.
These same fatty acids can exist
on their own as free fatty acids and
then travel in the in the blood to
do their little thing like being our,
energy, loose change energy,
(03:02):
quick energy. But usually, they are actually
bound to those triglyceride acid triglyceride.
And what are they they
enter what issues, like your muscles or your
liver
kind of, these fatty acids? Yeah. They go
that's where they usually go to fuel the
tissues
such as muscle. They're kinda like the quick
food we use for energy. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
(03:23):
Mhmm. Well, I'm not fat. I'm just very
easy to see. Mhmm.
And, hey, I don't
need I don't need a gym in there,
Ray.
I burn off calories just trying to squeeze
into my jeans.
Quite a workout. What else, doc? So the
fatty acids can be now listen up. This
is the education part of it.
(03:44):
Any fatty acid can be saturated
or unsaturated.
Gotcha.
And depending on what they are, it shapes
our health. So what are they? Saturated fatty
acids have no double bonds Oh, chemical stuff.
And are basically
straight. Oh, there's great information. From a saturated
or straight. They're not squares. Unsaturated
(04:05):
unsaturated
fatty acids can be in trans
or cis formation. Did you say trans? Mhmm.
Okay. Or cis. Okay. So And that's c
I s just so it Imagine a fatty
acid being
a long thing like a long drinking straw.
The trans and unsaturated fatty acids
are the straight kind. And the cis
(04:27):
fatty acid in double bond with a cis
formation are the bindi kind. Like a bindi
straw. Like a bindi straw. The only exercise
I do is jumping to conclusions.
As you may know, here's a little fun
oh, I'm back. You could you could take
over. I'm done. So the fun fact that
we wanna talk about is that we heard
about omega three or omega six fatty acids,
(04:49):
and we're all, oh, I want the omega
blah blah. All this says is actually that
omega three means it's the third
c from the last one, from the omega
one that has a double bond, or omega
six is the sixth one from the end.
It's the double bond. Speaking like a German,
it's, omega. It's omega,
not o m g. I keep saying that.
(05:09):
I think sort of oh, shit. This is
not smiling.
Okay. I am so fat. My waistline has
its own time zone.
Okay. What else? I'm explaining imp important. I
know. I know you're I love you. I
won't I won't joke and
Good joke. Flossful of bits. So the triglycerides
are, you know, how you wanted to say
(05:31):
the short term quick energy. The triglycerides
are our long term energy or savings account
units.
K. So because they pack a lot more
energy
in the form of a two p ATP
as we call it or even calories as
you're
counting right now, than carbohydrates or protein.
(05:51):
In routine lab works, we actually test for
the blood triglycerides.
Mhmm. And they show you if you have
elevated
fats in the blood or not. And that
has nothing to do actually with the cholesterol,
believe it or not. Wow. And we know
where cholesterol comes from.
Yes. You do.
Yeah. Kitties.
(06:12):
Kiddies. No. They regulate the blood pressure. No.
I knew that. I'm just testing. Oh, okay.
I'm gonna drop that out. Liver. Say liver.
Liver, I mean. Yeah. Yeah. I was close
to it.
I'm so fat oh, I like this one.
I'm so fat, doctor Gigi, that my cereal
bowl comes with a lifeguard.
And speaking of swimming,
I do not skinny dip. I just chunky
(06:32):
dunk.
Okay. Moving on. We talked about the triglycerides,
the long storage. Now the phospholipids
are the ones
that are also long story, but they're a
part of our cell membranes,
Meaning each and every one of our gazillion
cells in our body is
(06:52):
encompassed, encircled
by a cell membrane,
by phospholipids.
So here comes the zinger.
If there are a higher than normal concentration
of the straight fatty acids
in there, be it from the unsaturated or
trans fats,
then the cells cannot function properly.
(07:13):
They don't the cell membranes are not in
their normal configurations
and they cannot
function properly. They
might get sick, pathology,
or and it will increase the production
of inflammation
molecules in our body and the increase of
the bad cholesterol. LDL, the bad cholesterol. Yeah.
I take a half a pill of those
(07:34):
every night since I don't know. How long
does that my Robostatin, you take? Yeah. It
was up a little bit, but I don't
take many. I only take 17 other pills.
So,
I'm still
fat, doctor,
that by the time I turn around, it's
my birthday again.
Oh.
So let's talk about fat rich diet. Goodness.
Fat rich diet means that they receive about
(07:56):
35 to 40% of calories from fat alone.
Now there are different kind of fat or
or more. Right? There are different kinds of
fat rich,
diets and they depending on what fats we're
using, they actually make us sick or just
full Are you talking about the keto diet
where you're eating a bunch of meat and
eggs and everything that Yeah. The ketogenic diet
(08:18):
actually has about 70 to 80%
of calories from fats
and very low carbohydrates.
So that shifts the metabolism toward
ketone production, which is a whole other hour
worth explanation
worth to Oh, yeah. We can cut ketones
and Yeah. Why that is. But it's but
(08:38):
what you you can think is that fats
can only burn in the so called fire
of the carbohydrates.
If you don't eat any carbohydrates, you cannot
actually get the calories
out of the fats. So that's why people
lose weight on it. However,
the long term impact hinges on whether those
fats are unsaturated,
(08:59):
trans, or
cis in nature. And like heavy and processed
meats and butter and stuff like that. That
would be the
trans and Right. Unsaturated. Calvary County, that really
is it's it kinda sucks. I was so
hungry last night that I accidentally ate all
of my cat's food.
Oh. Don't ask meow. Meow.
(09:20):
Meow. Meow.
Doctor Gigi put me on a very strict
medical diet diet of only 1,200
calories per day. Yep. Luckily, she didn't know
anything about the nights.
Didn't say anything about adult
Alright. Let's talk about some of these diets.
The Mediterranean diet It's kinda famous. Is another
one that has actually pretty rich amount of
(09:42):
good fats, meaning the,
unsaturated
in cis formation.
So we find that in nuts, seeds, fish,
they're good. They're rich in good fatty acids.
So they actually
lower
the bad cholesterol, the LDL, and reduces cardiovascular
risk.
(10:02):
Interesting. Doctor Gigi told me to lose some
weight, and I asked how.
And she said, don't eat
anything fatty.
As I left, I said, thank you, doctor.
And she replied, you're welcome, fatty.
Okay.
Okay. Now let's put a damper on all
this. One little,
(10:24):
fat stuff. The typical Western diet, as we
have here, is usually very high in saturated
fats. True. Trans
omega six rich oils Omega. Refined carbohydrates,
ultra processed foods,
which then drives for elevated LDL,
the bad cholesterol,
fat gain around our belly or inside, insulin
(10:44):
resistance,
and worse,
cholesterol changes as well, which then is called
metabolic
x syndrome.
Not good. Well, now we know more about
fat. Did you know that I used to
be a fat psychic doctor? Mhmm. Yep. I
was known as a four chin
teller.
(11:05):
Yep. But but that didn't last long. You
know? It didn't last long. And after that,
I got so fat that my shadow
had a shadow. Who's this? Alright. Yeah. Okay.
Okay. Well, thank you for that
very entertaining and,
somewhat understandable,
dissertation
dissertation.
(11:25):
A dissertation on the sure. On the the
fats, the good and bad fats. And we
all have fats, regardless how skinny we are.
Right? Right. Yep. Fats are good. Alright. Now
let's turn our attention to our headlining guest
that joins us in the studio today and
someone that we are very excited to learn
more about.
As you know, about half of our weekly
guests are those that are musically inclined or
(11:47):
accomplished musicians themselves.
Do you know how many guests have sat
in the studio with us, dear doctor Gigi?
How many, pray tell? I counted them last
night. You did? Yep. We have had 252
people in the studio since we began broadcasting.
Now, a lot of those were like when
we had the
princesses of the queen. We had like eight
of them in at one time or they
(12:08):
did a double shift kinda. Yeah. And a
lot of people, people come in oftentimes with
a friend or Yeah. Spouse or whatever like
we have today.
But
this morning, I did. I counted up to
252. So there we stand. Now two fifty
four. I didn't count today.
Alright. Most of these, or half of them
I'd say, were musicians,
and we like this. Well, today's guest fits
(12:30):
right into this category, and his background is
very unique and fascinating.
Today, on our show, we've we're joined by
a man who carried the beat that defined
a generation.
Kenny Lee Crady is an accomplished
artist and he's a musician who, amongst other
things, sat behind the drum kit as who?
(12:52):
Ringo
Starr in the tribute band, Beatlemania. Well, we'll
find out a lot about this later. He
traveled the globe, and he recreated the magic
of the Fab Four to forging his own
creative path. And Kenny Lee brings stories, rhythm,
and a love for music that transcends time.
So today on the Doc and Jacques Radio
(13:12):
Show, we're excited to welcome
Kenny Lee to the Doc and Jacques Show
and your partner, Randy. Hey, Randy. Hey. Hello.
Hello. Welcome both of you. Thank you. Thanks
for the invite. He's got a good And
thanks for looking at his jokes. I've had
a little bit of practice. Oh, man. You
you gotta seriously, does he not I'm looking
at the engineers. Does he not have a
(13:32):
good voice for the radio? Wow. Good voice.
Thanks a lot. Okay. Gigi, lead off. Our
question's for Kenny Lee. Okay. Or you wanna
praise his voice a little more?
We are not worthy. We're always looking for
good voices.
If you know anybody, let us know. Where
were you born and raised?
Actually, I come from Detroit, Michigan. Mhmm. I
was born there,
(13:53):
and I grew up there. And,
in 1979,
I moved out to California.
Oh, cool. Okay. I guess, kind of like
Motown did a few years prior to that.
So you were kinda young then and I
was 23. Alright. In '79. When did you
actually come to our coast here up here?
Well, up to the coast
(14:15):
was,
2016.
Oh, so you got arrived in the Brookings
Crescent City region Yep. In 2015? What's that?
Nine years ago? Ten years well, nine years
ago. Yeah. Coming up ten years? No. We
Probably twenty six. Weeks away. Right? Yep. You
brought your better half, Randy. How long have
you guys been together?
Fourteen years Oh, and counting. Yeah. She's gone
(14:37):
again. It's safe for her to give the
answer.
And we had we met online.
Really? One of those
those dating line things, you know. And it
worked out. Nice.
I saw a picture of a guy that
was dressed mod,
and I said, oh, let me try that.
(14:58):
Looks interesting. Oh, interesting. So And then you
realized it wasn't the same guy, but you
still liked him. Well, it wasn't the guy
that she went for. Actually, I put a
picture of myself on a on a horse,
a white horse.
Uh-oh. Nice to meet you.
With the horse, really. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You can see a good picture of
Kenny, a good picture that I kind of
(15:19):
adjusted a little bit on Facebook today under
his jacket. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Is
that a good picture? It's yours, man. Oh,
that's mine. That's psychedelico. Yeah. That's good. Yeah.
Yep. Kenny, tell us about your career path.
Well,
actually,
for a number of years, I performed in
musical groups in the Detroit area before I
moved out to the West Coast.
(15:41):
And
in 1979,
in the '9,
when I got here,
I went auditioning for different groups. Mhmm. I
went to a very mysterious
audition.
A man had put
an ad in Music Connection. It's a real
popular
magazine in the L. A. Area. Okay, this
(16:02):
is L. A. In California. Uh-huh. Yeah. You're
a young man. And so
he said,
I called the number on there and
he said, well, I basically am playing songs
anywhere from The Beatles, Rolling Stones,
over to Elvis,
maybe Bread.
Remember Bread? Yeah. Recorded the song, I Wanna
Make It With You. Oh.
(16:23):
Yeah. Popular '70s songs. And so,
I thought, okay, well, this could be in
my bag. So I went for the audition
and when I got there, the most frustrating
part about it was every
song that we played was a disco version
of it.
So could you imagine I Want to Hold
Your Hand, a disco version? No.
(16:44):
No. Yeah.
So I thought, oh, boy.
Outside there was Taco Bell. I hope that's
not a problem to plug them. But anyway,
I went over there and I met this
other man
who was waiting for his band
to arrive. This was a rehearsal studio in
the Hollywood area.
(17:04):
And so,
he he asked me, said, are you doing
okay? He said, you have a really disgruntled
expression on your face. And I told him,
well, you know, you're watching through the glass
window
there and of course you can see what
is happening. We are just killing these songs.
We are hacking them. And so,
he said, he told me about an audition
(17:26):
that was going to be taking place
and he gave me the phone number of
Nick St. Nicholas, who
that's How appropriate in December, right?
Which happens to be the stage name for
the bass player in Steppenwolf.
So I said, okay, well, you know,
I'm gonna call this number. It's gonna be
(17:47):
a cold call. So I'll tell him that
you gave me the number. I don't remember
the man's name now.
But, so I called and I spoke with
Nick
and I went over there and we rehearsed
for a number of days.
And the main
issue
that promoters
couldn't get behind
is that, John Kaye,
(18:07):
the voice of Steppenwolf,
wouldn't be involved in this project.
So unfortunately, you know, but it was a
great experience.
I met
a number of people,
in that time frame, you know.
And,
one of the things that I had done
before I had come out to California is
(18:29):
I taught drums in a mom and pop
music store.
Mhmm. Cute. Yeah. So in the daytime,
I was in the school band.
I had four years This back, I'm asking
for your backstory. So keep coming with us.
We wanna know the start here early. I'll
give you the back and the front.
Okay. You got it. Yeah. So anyway,
(18:50):
I know the full Monty, right? Okay. Wait
a second. Sorry. This is a family show,
right?
So you're young and you're giving drum lessons.
Drum lessons? Yeah. That was, once again, that
was a referral from a schoolmate.
And he said, The music store, this mom
and pop music store,
the drum teacher had quit.
(19:12):
And so we went over there and I
got hired.
And so in the daytime, I was in
the school band. And then afterwards, I would
teach drums at this mom and pop music
store.
But you have a guitar with you now,
but that comes later where you got Oh.
Yeah. But you haven't heard me play drums
on it yet. Okay. How about where am
I I can play Wipeout on there if
you want.
Wait. So but so you had drum lessons
(19:33):
yourself before? Are you just winging it?
Just learned there. Oh, that's a secret.
Shoot. I shouldn't have asked that. Oh, wait
a minute. This is a loaded question. Can
we turn off the mics right now?
No. Actually, what had happened
is even further
back,
in 1966
when the Beatles had recorded
(19:54):
their album, Revolver Mhmm. Okay,
my uncle, my dad's brother, who unfortunately is
not with us now,
he bought a drum set out of the
local newspaper.
And
he figured out how to play that backwards
drumbeat
that's on,
Tomorrow Never Knows, the final song on Revolver.
(20:16):
It's a very unique drum beat.
And
when I think about it,
he was actually very talented, but he was
also a show off because when he would
play that beat, he would twirl his sticks.
You know, so here we got this majorette,
you know, and this fantastic drummer. And I
went, you know what? I've gotta do that.
(20:37):
You gotta learn how to do that. Yeah.
I've gotta do that. You're doing this. You're
young at this point. Yeah. And a couple
years prior to that, I saw the Beatles
in concert.
Oh, wow. When they came out Of The
States? Yep.
That's correct.
That once again was
a sort of a fluke
because
I wanted to go after many people, maybe
some of us here, saw the Beatles on
(20:59):
Ed Sullivan. That's right. February
1964.
Yeah.
And so,
I had the records. I had
the albums.
And I wanted to go see the group.
And my
mom, she said, well,
yeah. Yeah. They we could arrange that. Did
they play in Detroit? Yeah, they did. I
did not. Yeah. Yeah. They ended up at
Candlestick on San Francisco. That was their last
(21:22):
Exactly. In in '66. Yeah. Yeah. August
1966.
My dad, he was very hesitant about this.
He's not getting mixed up in all of
that. You know, this is chaos. Yeah. Yeah.
You know? And so what was interesting is
across the street from us,
there was a girl that was about four
years older
than myself.
(21:43):
And she got two tickets,
one for herself and a friend. And the
friend got sick that day. Oh, lucky you.
And so then I kind of I kinda
use this word.
I kinda badgered,
you know, my dad said, you know, she's
gonna need a ride.
I mean, I worked it from every angle
possible. Yeah. And you know what she did?
(22:04):
Because her father worked at US Steel, which
a lot of people in that area. Yeah.
And, he was on the swing shift.
And she said, Yeah, my dad's not gonna
be able to take me. And I said,
Well, we'll figure out something here. So then
she came across the street and she worked
my dad from one side and I worked
him from the other. And he gave me
He finally said, Okay. Yeah. Here's the keys.
Get down. Just come back safely. Yeah. Don't
(22:27):
come back hippie. So I went. Wow.
Maybe in a couple years.
So we, we went to see that and
that was amazing.
You know, I I heard music a couple
of times and that was when the girls
caught their
breath. The rest of the time they were
screaming.
Right. On their way into the auditorium, it
was,
(22:47):
Olympia Stadium
in Detroit.
And, of course, it's been demolished since.
There were girls, they were going into the
auditorium, they were singing the Beatles songs, and
then they were even taken to the couple
notches higher. And one girl would say to
the other, What would you do if Paul
asked you to marry him? You know,
(23:09):
You know? And I mean, it was hysteria
before we even get in the auditorium.
You know? So Wow. It was exciting. It's
a rare time. Even though I didn't hear
music all of the time, you know, it
was just being part of a history making
event. Wow. Cool. Well, listeners, you're gonna hear
why we're discussing this because there is a
tie in to the Beetle with Kenny Lee.
(23:30):
But let's back it up a little bit
more before we get to the those things
about the Beatles.
What was the very first instrument you played?
Was it drums? No.
Actually, it was a it was a cheap,
maybe a 50¢ or a dollar,
harmonica.
Okay. So you still play a little harp?
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've got all the keys.
I've got two of them with me today.
Yeah. They're very
(23:51):
good. Yeah. Duh. That's right. Yep. That's right.
And what is your favorite instrument? Well, I
would have to say my favorite is the
drums
because
I just feel very at home there.
I can play almost anything on the drums
Right on. Because I'm so familiar with it.
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I picked up drumsticks in, 1966
when I saw my uncle playing his drum
set. Right on. You know, and he sort
challenged
me. You know, he didn't say, you'll never
do this. He said, I'll bet you can't
do that. And I went The old trick.
Yeah. Yeah. Like one of the Three Stooges
spread out. Right on. And We always ask
this, did you study ever study music in
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school? Oh, you were in the band? Yeah.
I was in the school band. Yeah. For
four years. You read music. Ever read music?
Yeah. And that's a rare. Alright. A rare
one because most Nope. Instrument most musicians that
we have do. Okay, Gigi. Takeover.
Okay.
Now,
ask another question. Do you know what synesthesia
is? Oh, I was gonna ask Or I'm
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allergic to them.
That's a good response. Yeah. K. But you're
gonna that's where you when you play music,
do you see symbols or colors or numbers
when you are Or do you associate,
you know, something different, like colors within with
the notes? Or
something? Actually, I know what it is. For
many
I just saw the mess with you. Sweat.
I hate to sweat a little bit. I
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see sweat on your forehead. Gotcha on this
one. You're right. Oh, are you?
Yeah. No. It's funny. I took the actually,
I stole that answer from
from one of Ringo's,
Ringo isms,
as they call it. But,
you know,
many musicians
call it being in the zone.
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That's another, you know, another description for it.
Or someplace else as you're so carried away
by the beauty of the moment. That doesn't
happen all the time. It has happened a
couple of times, you know, but usually because
I'm the drummer, I have to be paying
attention to what's going on out there. Because
if the bottom falls out, then everyone's staring
at me. Right. You know? So what band
or artist has impressed you the most? Oh,
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that's like asking me, do I have a
favorite Beatles song?
You know?
Yeah. Well The most is like the most
is often used to do. That's
There's so many. Well, there's there's the Beatles
because I saw them and I appreciate their
music, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin. As far
as one single artist though Yeah. Because I
saw him and I had a chance to
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meet him and talk to him and there
were a bunch of other kids around as
well. His Buddy Rich.
Drummer Buddy Rich. Wow.
He is amazing. Yeah. Who is he a
drummer for? Oh, he had a he was
a big his band. He was like a
big band. He was the most versatile
drummer of the drummer. You know, there's there's
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there's also Gene Krupa. You know, this is
going back in the big band era. Okay.
And,
I watched them, and they're just
I don't know. It's there actually, there's no
way to describe it. It's just phenomenal.
So you have always been doing music, basically.
Did you, like, from the you you went
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from
selling stuff in the music store or doing
the you really did the drum teaching. Right?
And then you were in the band. Did
you that that was your direction? That was
your I was a little bit of a
a a Jacques.
Oh, you were. Of all trades. No, actually,
the other thing
that
careful now. I'll let you buy it. You
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let that one go by. I'm okay. I'm
I promise I won't use it again.
Honest.
Yeah. Is the other thing that I did
because,
another uncle, my mom's brother, he had a
TV radio repair shop about three or four
miles away from our home.
And I was fascinated by that.
And so,
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what I did in junior high and in
high school,
when people had pretty much given up on
an old record player phonograph Mhmm. Or radio
or television set,
my uncle had given me a bag of
tubes.
You know, most of them were used.
What I would do is figure out which
one needed to be replaced and revive that
TV. Very cool. And then I put it
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in what was in
the local Detroit area, a paper called The
Trading Times.
And,
every, I mean,
pretty much every city has one where you
can resell things.
And so
I would revive that TV set and put
it in there. And I always had an
ad running every week
for $25.
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Oh. So I had that business going as
well as teaching drums at the mom and
pop music store. Right. The very cool. Okay.
Now, we're gonna step up the program in
just a moment because we're gonna get into
what really
really has to be an incredible journey that
you took next. But before that, I have
to say time flies when we're having fun.
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It's already that mid break time here at
the Doc and Jacques Live radio show. We're
proudly broadcasting from the KCIW one hundred point
seven FM Studios in lovely Coastal Brookings, Oregon.
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(29:08):
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Lisa Riel, everybody knows Nick and Lisa. Hey,
a big shout out to you and your
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And lastly, my dear co host, doctor Gigi
Reed and yours truly,
on behalf of KCAW,
thanks to all of you.
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Alright. It's that time.
Yeah. So I have a priest
question. I'll do you get with your question.
No. Nick sent Nick Nick.
Yeah. That's a tricky name. Oh, how does
he You know, his real name is Stan
Nussbaum.
Oh, Nussbaum,
Germany name. Exactly. Yeah. Alright. So Stan, good
old mister Nussbaum Mhmm. How does he tie
in into what we actually are gonna talk
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about here in a minute?
Like, we made it His his home
where I rehearsed
with the former members of Steppenwolf.
Mhmm.
We could look out the kitchen window and
see the Capitol Records Tower. It was right.
Cool. It was right there. Right in the
heart of Hollywood.
You know, so I did that for some
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time. And unfortunately,
sometimes the rocket doesn't take off. I see.
You know, that's what happened in that case.
And it was frustrating for the other band
members because Mhmm. They just couldn't entice
John k, who's the mighty voice of Steppenwolf.
And you put on those songs, that's the
Right. That's what stands out.
Yeah. Okay.
Let's let's graduate. Here it is. Drumbeat.
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Tell us about
Beatlemania
and what Beatlemania is all about and what
years did it happen. And then
as you go, how did you land that
position? Well,
the interesting thing about it is in the
same newspaper, The Recycler and Music Connection,
I saw an advertisement
for,
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to be the drummer
of the local Beatles tribute group Mhmm. In
the LA area. So I answered the ad
and went over there and met the three
other guys. And I got the position,
you know,
and we played around the local LA area.
A good percentage of the performances were free,
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you know. And
in the process, I asked the other band
members, would they be interested in touring?
And
the person who played Paul, the person who
played George
said, Yeah, yeah, they were definitely down for
it. And the person who played John Lennon
in this Beatles tribute group, he just didn't
(31:37):
want to go on tour. He was still
being rapped with Yoko.
Exactly. Yeah.
Yoko had a spell on it. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. Even from that distance. Oh.
Yeah. What year was this? Yeah. This is
the 1989.
Okay. Cool. So and this is prior to
the Beatlemania thing. But so what I had
done though, because I felt that
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the people in the band
were excited about touring, I got a copy
of what's called Performance
Spotlight.
It's a directory of all the venues across
The US.
And I had contacted some people.
And then the interesting thing about this directory
is it gives you the name of the
venue. It will say, you know, whether it's
a theater or auditorium.
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And then it gives you the phone number
and the contact person
who makes the decision to hire entertainment.
You know, you don't have to go try
and bulldoze the gatekeeper.
You know, you get right to the man
or woman Mhmm. Who makes that decision.
Well, I had a few people on the
hook.
I contacted
them. They said, Oh, heck, yeah. You know,
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I would definitely be interested in booking a
Beatles tribute. You know, that's early for tribute
bands too, right? I mean Yeah. Today, they're
quite common. Well, see what's something, Jacques, is
that, of course, Beatlemania was the first one.
There were a bunch of knock off groups
right now that are impersonating the Beatles. Sure.
And so,
I had, a handful of people that were
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interested in doing this. So I went back
to,
the band and I was practicing. This was
this group, it was called Twist and Shout,
named after one of the songs The Beatles
recorded. They didn't write it, but they made
a great hit out of it. Really? And
so oh, yeah. Yeah. The Isway Brothers.
Hey, are the Beatles songs considered easy songs
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to play? I mean, are they You know
what, something
that's really I don't think they are. Yeah.
You know, there are some of them, especially
the cover songs that are
and this is not to cheapen them like
the
covers that they did of Chuck Berry's songs.
They're very basic rhythm and blues songs. If
you're familiar when people say, Oh, that's a
blues song. It's a one four five.
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So you start in one, that's your bass
chord, and then you go up to a
fourth chord, and then you go up to
the fifth chord, you know. And some of
the Beatles songs are are that that pattern,
that structure.
Some of them began to get more complex.
We have minors, minor sevenths, and all of
these other crazy chords. And then all the
studio stuff, Paul is dead. Paul is a
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walrus or whatever. That was layered. Put me
on dead man. Put me on dead man.
Is that what it's saying? Dead man. Oh.
Number nine. Well, the other
the other thing though is with the Beatles,
they have the harmony on credit. Harmony. Right?
So that is
a big Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's Well,
right? Yeah. As far as the the recording
aspect, that's see, that's that's another topic.
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But as far as the structure of the
songs, it depends on the songs. Some are
pretty bare bones,
you know, and it's just about energy. It's
rock and roll and energy. Some other songs
are a little more introspective
too.
And that's where they've become busier.
Okay. I'm gonna throw out this on on,
off script. But like, Michelle,
is that considered an on?
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Michelle, and then That one is a little
more complex. Yeah. Because you have some chords
that are minor chords, minor seventh chords, you
know, and then it becomes more involved. The
long and winding
road. Yeah. Same there. There are major seventh
chords in that one. I mean, every time
I sing Are you musically inclined because you
live with this
music person?
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Well, yeah. I'm I'm all music. Oh, good.
Well, good math. Music and I've been in
dance myself. What? Doing what? Singing our lives.
Singer. Playing drums. Oh, really?
I like
this. Oh, I like this. I've been in
four bands.
Now you have to see, Randy. She is
(35:29):
a tiny little person. So you you kind
of
man, the drum set. Oh, jeez. Wow. Very
well. I'm under tall.
Under tall. Not overweight.
Yeah. I had a blast
playing in bands. Wow. You know? Oh, very
And,
it just so happens, you know, he I
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met him online
and,
he played drums and
The commonality with drums? You know what's interesting
is that that wasn't On all music. In
either profile.
Neither one of us put had put that
in our profile. Really? No. Oh, that's pretty
good. I mean, Devon to be, appreciating music,
yes. But as far as being a a
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drummer Mhmm. That wasn't in there.
When you were in Beatlemania, did you have
to look like the Beatles? Yeah. Did you
look like the Beatles? Ringo? That's kind of
tricky because,
I have a couple of stages where I
could say that I resemble him, especially with
the mustache Mhmm. Or the mustache and the
beard.
I can get that mid sixties,
to later sixties,
(36:32):
image. But as far as and I have
blue eyes like Ringo.
Mhmm.
Yeah. And
did you sing
on the move? Yeah. Okay. So you sing.
So you're saying so you have to learn
the harmony stuff too? Well, yeah. Oh, yeah.
That's definitely because, you know,
if you yeah, playing the drums, sometimes
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you can play a beat pattern Mhmm. Where
your right hand, let's say if you're right
handed, your right hand is your dominant hand.
It could be playing eighth notes
on the cymbal or could be even busier
yet playing sixteenth notes. Yeah. And then sing
with that too. Wow. Remember the song that
the Beatles covered? It was a country song.
It was called Act Naturally. All we gotta
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do is act naturally. Yep. Oh, yeah. Yep.
Act naturally. That's
one right there
where your right hand is busy
playing those eighth notes on the high hat
cymbal. Wow. You know, so and that and
singing, and there are some some phrases that
are not on time.
I mean, they're out of sync, so it
can be involved. I think drummers have the
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hardest job of any of the instruments because
you gotta know so much. You have to
have that beat, which so many of us
really don't have. We don't have that inner
beat.
I just think it's incredibly hard. You do
not wanna hear what I sound like on
drums. Oh, now I'm interested.
I'm basically just
You know what, Jacques, I promise not to
record you though.
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Yeah, it'll be our secret.
Now tell us some fun stories, great stories,
anything about any of the Beatlemania. We've traveled
with them, right? Traveled with them, right? Traveled
with the performances.
So you know what? Let me finish the
other part of that. You got it. Wait,
wait. There's more. Yeah, yeah. See,
I've only given you the back story and
now we're gonna flip it over and give
the front story. Alright. You got it. Is
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that,
so having the problem with the one member
in the local LA group that didn't wanna
tour. Oh, yes. Okay. I said, Oh, man.
I threw up my hands in the air
and I went, you know, I wish you
know what? I wish I could contact
someone who was involved in Beatlemania because that's
probably what the guys are doing full time.
And there are some other this is another
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group, Beatlemania? No, no, no. This is the
so while I was in Twist and Shout,
I asked the person who was playing
Paul McCartney,
and he said, I have a phone number
from one of the guys in Beatlemania, one
of the original members. And he gave me,
Les Fradkin,
who played the original George in Beatlemania.
(39:04):
Mhmm.
He gave me
his phone number and I called him. I
said,
you know, this is gonna be a cold
call.
Maybe you'll think it's a prank call. But
I was calling him. I said, I explained
how I had contacted all these venues
and
explained
I wanted to see if they were interested
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in putting on a Beatlemania show, a Beatles
tribute show. And he said,
his answer was,
So Kenny,
you're telling me you have real gigs that
pay real money. I said, Yes. He said,
Count me in.
You know, you've got my attention. And I
went,
whew, wiping all the beads of sweat off
my forehead because, you know, if you've ever
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made a cold call on something and you
get both fingers crossed and your toes crossed
and everything,
and so then I said, Well,
so let me give you an idea what
the itinerary consists of right now. So I
told him the cities
that
were on hold.
And so then he said, You know what?
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I will give you the phone numbers of
the other people who were involved in Beatlemania.
Now originally, there were four people, of course,
like the Beatles.
But then there were also eight
people. Because see, while the first half of
the show was on, there were four guys
backstage
changing into the Sergeant Pepper outfits. Later years.
The later years, all of that stuff. So
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but he gave me I've got about a
dozen phone numbers.
So he gave me the main
characters,
the understudies,
the subs, you know, any substitutes.
And so I contacted the other people.
And the next person I
spoke to, his name was Mark, he played
the part of John Lennon.
And in his typical
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Brooklyn accent, he went, Hey, man. So you
spoke to the professor,
Yeah, count me in. And I went, great.
You know,
so
he was a riot, you know.
And so, and then I contacted the
third person.
So that's how I put together that. And
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then I just made more calls.
So now the interesting part about it is
that
the people who were involved in Beatlemania, each
one of them was kind of a subcontractor
or independent contractor
and they had done the same thing.
So now sometimes,
I was included in some of those gigs.
Sometimes I wasn't.
But the contacts that I had made, you
(41:32):
know, I signed the contract.
And I agreed to have four people
there to perform. You know, we played at
Iron World in,
in Hibbing, Minnesota, where Bob Dylan grew up.
In fact, the promoter took us there to
see his childhood home.
And so, you know, I I put my
name on the line and I was the
(41:53):
one who was given the check for, you
know So you kept some of your original
Twist and Shout people? Were they part of
the Well, the Twist and Shout people, unfortunately,
they weren't part of it. Oh. Because because
But some of them wanted to. Right? They
twisted Yeah. Yeah. Fell off the tree. Yeah.
Yeah. So they fell off the tree, unfortunately.
And so, you know, I had to
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because I was friends with the people, you
know, but I had to make that decision
that I wanted to go forward with that.
So
to give you the back story and front
story, I never auditioned for it. In fact,
the fashion
Yeah, I didn't because see, it already had
come and gone as far as the Broadway
production.
(42:35):
And Beatlemania.
And what I did
is,
the first, in fact, the first time that
I met them
was,
I think it was the Iron World.
And you went overseas? Did you go overseas
with these groups? Yeah. Yeah. I went to
Hong Kong.
Went over there to perform. Went to Canada.
How was it? Was there a reason? Thunder
(42:57):
Bay. Oh. Always. You know, it's something as
the excuse
because it's not meant to be mean. When
we went to Hong Kong, it was,
Beatle, Beatle.
You know what I mean? They didn't speak
English, but they appreciated us. And they were
just freaking out, you know? So it was
great, the reception. Have you ever met any
of the Beatles? Or of course, why? And
you know what's something?
(43:17):
Is that
I met Paul, George, and Ringo.
I met Julian, John Lennon's son, but unfortunately,
just timing wise,
I was never able to meet John. Yeah.
Right.
And Julian, he was great.
So you were in Beatlemania, you were the
drummer. You were Ringo Starr. What did Ringo
(43:38):
Starr tell you when he saw you?
You really wanna know? Yeah.
He went, oh, so you're one of them.
Oh, no. Alright.
Seriously.
Yeah.
Okay.
But see, that's Ringo. Okay. We're gonna I'm
gonna bring this up to date. We're we're
gonna we're getting within fifteen minutes of the
things. We're gonna go Yeah. We went through
(43:59):
to ahead. What are you doing these days?
Now you've you've brought your your expertise. What
do you you got some things going on
like New Year's Eve. Right?
What's going on? Actually, it's Christmas Eve. Christmas
Eve, that's right. Christmas Eve, alright. And you're
all invited. And it's down at the Port
Stine, South Beach? South Beach, yeah. The South
Beach location.
We're having
a, I'm hosting a Christmas party.
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There'll be music
and food, dancing.
Basically,
what I have done
is,
I came up with this idea
at the beginning of the year in January.
And,
it was it was intended to be a
duo, but then that didn't work out, you
know, for
whatever.
(44:42):
And so I decided to just take this,
and, I had contacted people
in the area at, different venues.
And,
in the in the interim, I had been
going to karaoke
at the Northcrest
Porta Pines.
And so I told a few people about
it and I got people,
(45:02):
some of the singers
at karaoke that said,
I wish I could do that. I wanna
do that. You know, and I said, Oh,
really?
So then I said, How about
you give me a couple of songs that
you would like to sing
and then I'll put them on my iPad.
And then when I do my next event,
which is in about two or three weeks,
(45:23):
you can come up and sing those songs.
Cool. Oh, wow. Now, Jacques and Gigi,
the tricky part about it is have you
done karaoke? I have. Oh, yeah. Okay. Have
you done karaoke? I have. Okay.
So you always have the screen to fall
back on. I mean, don't fall on it.
No, but you always have that to rely
on. Right. Okay.
(45:44):
The way I have it is there's no
screen. Ew. So guess what? You better know
the song. You better know the song. And
now you're just drumming it with the guitar.
And I'm singing. Sometimes I sing along and
sometimes I'm just there playing the guitar
to, you know, give the person support. Right.
The the singer that that's gonna It's a
twist. It's karaoke with a twist, but it's
live Sort of like live karaoke. Yeah. And
(46:05):
you're I've seen the pictures of you up
on stage where you're playing the guitar and
people are jumping up there and having fun,
and the girls are screaming. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And you know what? Something is that I
I like to start it off with something
up tempo like Chubby Checkers Twist.
That's true. And then people sing and dank
yeah. Come on and do the twist. Oh,
yeah. That's true. It goes like this. It's
the twist. Right. Oh, yeah. Okay. I gotta
(46:27):
tell you. Let's pull up your guitar. Yeah.
Let's pull up your guitar. Let's let's play
a song or two. Play a little harmonica.
Maybe one song. We don't we're Dang. Time
is going fast. Uh-huh. Today, I should've told
you that, Randy. When you're having fun, these
shows go like snap and you're
done. Alright. What are you gonna play here?
This is something,
Well,
this is, more of the traditional
(46:48):
version
of House of the Rising Sun.
And actually, the interesting part about it is
this is the first song
that I played on the drums.
When my uncle challenged me, he put on
he switched on his stereo
and put on that song.
Okay. Can you play it? It has some
interesting nuances, but I was actually able to
play the beat,
(47:10):
which kinda blew him away.
Yeah. I said, well, I'm gonna do this
after all.
So and here he is on guitar. You're
doing it on guitar. Kenny Lee on guitar.
Yeah. Let's do it. You guys are dialed
in to Kenny? I have they are engineers.
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There is
a house
in New Orleans
They
call a rise
in sun.
And it's been
a ruin,
a million
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poor boys.
And, yeah,
I know
I'm one
Well, they're all
my mama
She sold
my blue jeans
Oh,
papa.
(48:12):
He was
a no no drunk.
Oh, yeah.
Told you this is the original version.
Yeah. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Cool.
Only thing
a gambler
is.
A win
(48:33):
is good
and
wrong.
Yeah. Mama,
don't let your children
Do
those things
I've done.
But now I'm gonna spend
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my life
in sin and misery
in the house
of the rising
sun.
There is
a house
(49:17):
in New Orleans.
They
call the rising
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Sun. So that's how it's Eric, it's very
bare bones. That is originally
Who originally did that? That would be I
should know. Yeah.
That
guy. That blue guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And
then and then it was made famous by
By the animals. Animals. Yeah. Eric Burton. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Eric Burton and the animals. And
the animals. Oh, my goodness. Yep. Okay. Now
(50:04):
did you bring har so harmonicas along for
what do you gotta do with the harmonicas?
We need to do we got we got
nine minutes. Yeah. I'm not gonna wait about
something. Well, I I won't play Freebird. That's
nine minutes.
Okay. It's kinda hard just to say play
some harmonica
by yourself or whatnot. I I always love
blues when you you play some blues, and
I love to
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harp.
I have a couple of songs that I,
you know, a couple of doodles, I guess,
you you could call them Doodle.
That I do on the harmonica.
K. And these are originals? Sure. We're we're
not gonna not gonna blow any channels over
here.
I think they're gonna handle it
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Woah. That was hard. That was the eighteenth.
I would not have heard it. I think
I am I think I am a darn
good harp player, but, man, I would think
I could play a single song Wow. Get
through it. Dang. Very good. I know that
was like
what was the what was the timing there?
A trill.
Yeah. Yeah. Some here and there. Yeah. Very
(52:15):
cool. Alright. Now was that is that a
doodle that you wrote or is that just
you going ahead?
It's,
it's a doodle that I wrote. Oh, very
cool. Yeah. Now are you available for hire
to do your Kenny,
the Starmania is what you call it. Right?
That's correct. And you're doing it Christmas Eve
(52:36):
at the New South,
Porta Pine. Porta Pine. Porta Pine. Our friend,
John Kirk, who we all know. Oh, yeah.
John. Place. Yeah. John and,
and Cynthia
have been very gracious and very kind to
me. And
I sat down and spoke to John about
three or four weeks ago
and told him that I'd like to do
(52:56):
this. I told him I have
a few ideas,
some music ideas, and he was very receptive.
He's a very nice man. Yeah. He is.
Well, and Randy Yes. He is. Randy, you're
accompanying
him almost all the time, right, when he
goes out for his gigs and has fun?
Well, I'm there. Yeah.
I'm a dancer. I'm I've been dancing since
I was three years old. Right on. Right
(53:18):
on. And I just keep on going. That's
I think it does PP, right? It really
does. I think so. You
Music's the thing. Do you have any favorite
venues that you've worked in? Well, you know
what? I've performed at
most of the venues here in Brookings,
the Elk's Club, Augustino,
Pete's Bar and Grill.
(53:38):
Okay. And then I performed at a couple
of them in Crescent City.
I would have to say though,
my favorite
would have to be Porta Pines.
Porta Pines original? The original or North Beach
or South Beach. Actually Big 1 or North
Beach. I would have to say it's sort
of a time. Rika Rika Room, they call
(54:00):
it. Yeah. Yeah. The Riva Room. Yeah. Riva
Room. Okay. Riva Room. Yeah. Alright. Where do
you see yourself in a couple years? What
do you wanna be doing? That's a trick
question.
I know people say that's an interesting question
or that's a good question.
But actually,
what I'd really like to do is,
some of the ideas that I have,
(54:21):
you know, maybe working with John at Porta
Pints,
just to see them to come to fruition.
Right. You know? And that's doctor John Kirk
we're talking about. John Kirk, our friend. Yeah.
He's a he's a good guy. What is
your Gee, you ask this question. I do.
Which one? Last question.
What is your I don't see it. You
(54:42):
ask it. Tombstone. What is your tombstone going
to say? Now we ask this most very
frequently. Oh, I know. Very frequently. You don't
see it on her prompt. He's dead.
He's dead. He's dead.
I think that's probably it. He's dead.
He's dead. That's it. Okay. That's good enough.
Yeah. It's a pretty witty No. It's keep
looking. He's right there. Yeah. He's he's gone.
(55:02):
Don't look anymore.
Oh. Oh, but, Randy, what what is your
tombstone gonna say?
She
has
rhythm. There we go. Cool. Okay. We can't
wait till you gotta get out there and
dance. We'll see you on the dance floor.
We all know something. We've always got I
watched you dance. Yeah. Well, she's got more
of a dance. We're just like, dear lord.
You're good. They,
(55:23):
Frank John Coley calls me. He does the
franken the the Jockenstein.
He's Jockenstein.
Yes.
Alright. Time flies when you're having fun. We
are the very end. We wanna thank both
of you. Randy, thanks for coming on and
accompanying Thank you for having me, man. Really
crazy. Yeah. Yes. Good good good vibes. Good
show. We were we appreciate it. Doctor, do
you have any
(55:44):
jokes for us on Fun Time Corner?
Me jokes? I was thinking. How about quotes?
Quotes. Yes. I have a quote for you.
What do you got? Okay. We're talking about
fats. Right? Losing weight is hard.
Maintaining weight is hard. Staying overweight is hard.
Choose your heart.
Choose your heart. Right
on. Oh. How
about this one? Two slices of bread recently
(56:06):
got married. Yep. The ceremony was going quite
well till somebody decided to toast the bride
and groom.
Oh. Hey, guy.
Hey hey, a screwdriver
a screwdriver goes into a bar and the
bartender says, hey, we have a name, a
drink named after you, a screwdriver.
And the screwdriver looks surprised and says, you
have a drink named Philip?
(56:31):
Alright. What do you got? Another clue? That's
cute.
I found there was only one way to
look thin, hang out with the fat people.
Oh, wow.
That's brutal.
Call them chunky chunky dunking.
Chunky dunking.
We all know that smoking will kill you.
We also know that bacon will kill you.
But did you know that smoking bacon will
cure it? Yeah. That's good.
(56:54):
Good. I got I got Ray. I got
Ray's side. Yeah. I got Ray's side. No.
What do you think else, doc? Yes. I'm
fat, but
I'm fat, but I'm thin inside. There's a
thin man inside every fat man. That's Albert
No. Really. Before fat was kind of out
of use. Hey. When vegetarians give up, something,
do they call it going cold tofu?
(57:16):
Yeah.
I'll have some.
So what? Oh, that's good.
They hear an Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Look. If it jiggles, it's fat.
If it's jiggles, it's
I won't comment on that one. Yeah. I
asked doctor Gigi why carrots are so good
for your eyes, and she responded by asking
me if I'd ever seen a rabbit wearing
glasses.
(57:38):
I said, okay.
When you drop,
how how can you drop a raw egg
on a concrete floor without cracking it? How?
Any way you want. Concrete is really hard
to
crack. Okay. That's it for a. Where are
we?
Okay.
We are thank you again for everybody
playing music.
We didn't have time for yet another harmonica
(58:00):
one. Thank you, Randy, for coming in. Thank
you. We are at the end of our
show. Yeah. It's that time. I I went
to a restaurant last night that serves breakfast
at any time, so I ordered French toast
during the Renaissance.
Did I say that one last week? Yeah.
I think I said it. I did it
last time, but okay. Okay. Maybe it's funny.
Like she jerked. You have been listening to
the Doc and Chuck show on KCOW
(58:23):
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
We hope you enjoyed the show as much
as we have, learning about Kenny Lee, Crady,
Crady, and Randy. Right on. Indeed. Peace and
prosperity to everyone out there. Thanks again, Tom
Bozak, Ray Simon, and Linda out there for
listening, and all the people that make the
syndicated show possible
to be aired up and down our beautiful
(58:43):
coast. Stay tuned for
who? Tony Durso. Up next right here on
KFCIW.
Thank you. Bye bye. Bye.
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