December 1, 2025 • 60 mins
In this episode of the Doc & Jacques radio variety show, Doc and Jacques talk with Lon Goddard, who shares insights from his diverse career as an artist, journalist, and musician. Lon discusses moving to Brookings in 1992, becoming involved with local radio, and befriending movie industry figure Elmo Williams. He recalls his time as a photographer and journalist for London’s Record Mirror, recounting memorable celebrity interviews. Lon describes contributing artwork to Roy Harper’s album and playing on two tracks. He reflects on his musical journey, starting guitar in 1962, learning by ear, and developing a “retired folk” style that blends covers of iconic artists with humor and storytelling in his performances at many area venues.
Hosts: GiGi “Doc” Reed MD, Jacques Kepner; Producers: GiGi “Doc” Reed MD, Jacques Kepner
Beginning and end music from freepd.com, in the public domain. My Grandfather’s Clock, and The Fox performed by Lon Goddard are in the public domain.
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Welcome.
Welcome in Tally Ho.
You have now entered the cosmic radio receptors
of KCRW
one hundred point seven FM
in Brookings, Oregon. Thank you for tuning in
to this week's fantastic program.
I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost is, as
always, Jacques Kepner. Greetings, everyone. Day. Doing fine,
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doc. Doc? Doing good. It's a special day
for you because it's Wednesday, and you get
to get off on Wednesday. So are you
that's this is like your Friday night. Yeah.
Yeah. So we always have fun. Greetings, everyone.
Welcome to the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety
Show here in Brookings, Oregon.
Special thanks to sound engineer Tom Bozak. What's
up, Tom? And Michael Gorse was just in
here. Hello, Michael. Linda Bozak listening out there
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and many others. You're hearing this live syndicated
show on KCIW
that said the same syndicated show will be
rebroadcast in exactly one week from now each
and every Wednesday at 8AM.
Don't sleep too late
on KZZH
ninety six point seven FM in Eureka, Humboldt.
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And then a few hours later at 1PM
at my old alma mater, KFUG one zero
one point one FM in Crescent City. So
now you know. The doc and I have
your coasts covered.
Everybody's friend, doc Bilardi, reached out to me
this morning, and he wanted me to alert
everyone that since tomorrow is Thanksgiving
Oh, is it? Yeah. Well, for you people
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that are hearing this next week on KZVH
and KFOG, it's gonna be one week old.
But there are all sorts of turkey
cookouts going on in different places. But one
of them is in Crescent City between twelve
noon and 02:00. It's a completely free turkey
dinner with dessert and beverages
and as many as you like for absolutely
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zero money, and they're all happy to do
it. It takes place at the Del Norte
County Fairgrounds between noon and 2PM.
We hope we might just stop in and
say hello, and I can't really eat too
much meat or I'm not interested in much
of the meat, but hey,
it's the camaraderie that we all speak and
we all seek. Alright, what
marvels
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and good medicine
and
health tips does my German medical doctor, patent
holding scientist, and university professor
have for us today on this week's health
segment of MDGG?
Well,
let me tell you.
When I suggested
to Jockey I'm a trick. The other day
that I was going to talk about gallbladder
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issues,
he said,
nobody
nobody that I know suffers from gallbladder issues.
So boring. Well,
he be wrong.
I stand corrected, doctor. There are about fifteen
percent of the adult population that have gallbladder
issues. Wow. That's a lot, actually. Yeah. Right?
So it's one in seven. So, let's talk
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about what the gallbladder is. What is the
gallbladder?
Well, let me tell
you. The gallbladder is a little pouch whose
main purpose is to store and concentrate
bile.
Oh. We say blood is bile. Well, bile
is a fluid that is produced by the
liver,
and it helps to break down fats during
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digestion and then absorption into the body. Well,
speaking of food, doctor, if a tomato is
technically a fruit,
does that mean ketchup can be a smoothie?
I'm just asking. Just laughing. Alright. So what
about fatty foods? So when we do eat
the fatty foods, the gallbladder releases the bile
Okay. Into the small intestine
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so that
though we can take up the fat or
the fat soluble vitamins.
So because
fat does not mix with water and our
blood is mainly water. So the fat the
bile has
a water
friendly end and a fat friendly end. And
so it surrounds the little fatsicles,
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so we can take it up. The fatsicles?
So it can't I mean, it's like a
car wash. Right? It dissolves
the grease. Right. It's like this. Hey. I
thought of that just now spontaneously.
It's pretty good.
So now you're thinking what can go wrong?
Oh. So what can go wrong? Why would
a gall of gallbladder issues? Common problems include
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gallstones. We all know about gallstones. Yeah. Acute
and or chronic cholecystitis
or inflammation of the gallbladder. That's what drives
me crazy when she says those words like
that. And biliary
dyskinesia,
which means the, poor emptying of the bile
outside of where it's stored.
K. Do you know why Apple
couldn't talk to the orange doctor? Why?
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Because it didn't know Mandarin.
That is a child joke.
You're you're allowed to laugh all you wear,
Shallon.
So then you say, what are gallstones? Yeah.
What are I have kidney stones. I've had
those. Yeah. Gallstones are different. Gallstones are hard
little pluxies
that develop when substances in the bile crystallize
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and clump together inside
the gallbladder.
So there are cholesterol
stones,
pigment stones,
and mixed stones. Like margaritas, mixer on the
rock. Right? Or stirred or shaken.
Right? Yeah. Okay.
What is the fastest speaking of fluids, doctor.
Yeah? What is the fastest liquid on Earth?
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What is it? Milk.
Because it's pasteurized
before you see it.
Pasteurized?
Oh, shoot. Oh, it's the same as okay.
You got it this time. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Gallstones in the middle. So why are gallstones
bad? Well, gallstones by themselves are not bad.
But
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they can obstruct the outlet for the bile
and then they are That sound good to
me. So when we eat fatty foods, the
gallbladder tries to squirt out the bile. But
if the outlet is obstructed
by a gallstone,
then the gallbladder squeezes and squeezes and nothing
comes out.
This squeezing is very very painful
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and it can result in an inflamed or
an aggravated gallbladder,
which then is called cholecystitis.
Oh, boy. Another long name. Yesterday, doctor Gigi
complained
that I need to, quote, grow up, she
said. Well, I was speechless
mainly because I had over 45 gummy bears
in my mouth, and I couldn't talk.
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Alright. What else do we have on the
gallstones or gallbladder? Well, so if you have
the cholecystitis,
then we usually have crampy crampy crampy pains
on the right side of our tummy, right
upper side of our tummy. Is it underneath
your liver? Right? Yeah. It's right under the
liver,
especially after fatty meals because that's when the
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bile is being squozing out.
Also, we have can have nausea, vomiting,
bloating,
and sometimes pain that radiates to the back
of or in between the shoulder blades.
Complications,
and now this is the bad part, really.
Complications can include pancreatitis,
which is the very dangerous part. Yep. If
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the stones
block the pancreatic duct in there, infection,
and jaundice, if the bile ducts are obstructed.
Jaundice is when you turn yellow. Yellow. Right.
And then the bile and and the that's
the bile. That's the bilirubin activity. People used
to routinely get their gallbladders taken out? It
was like a secondary. It was what was
that what I'm thinking of? No. I think
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the tonsils.
No. Tonsils. I thought gallbladders were removed. Okay.
Well, I know several people that had removed.
Did you know that Adam and Eve were
the very first people in the entire world
to not read Apple's terms and conditions?
That's pretty funny. Alright. What else do we
have? So how do we diagnose this inflamed
gallbladder? We do that with a so called
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positive
Murphy sign.
So Murphy? Really? Why, you know, the doctors
push here and there. So the Mercosun is
when they push right where the gallbladder is
in that area,
and then the patient
catches
or stops breathing like that because the pain
all of a sudden is sharp. So you
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can push in and let go and then
you can see when the patient actually is
in more pain.
Because the inflamed gallbladder then
contacts the
the fingers of, you know, that are prodded
in the the body and
then they try to
get away from it with that
movement.
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Mhmm. But there are that's a poor man's
thing, but that's where how it's done, normally,
like, in the outpatient setting. But more body
all the time. More soft sophisticated methods include
the ultrasound Oh. And
And then they push She's with the ultrasound
on there and see how you react. And
the so called HIDA scan. HIDA?
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HIDA scan,
we can actually physically see
when the gallbladder
fills and squeezes out, and we can see
if it maybe doesn't even fill any bile
or nothing comes out because it's obstructed. Do
you ever hide a,
you know, prognosis for your patients? HIDA. Okay.
That was a bad joke. Hey. If if
tea and coffee are married and the tea
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Bad joke. Oh.
If tea and coffee are married
and the tea leaves,
does that give the coffee grounds for divorce?
That's a cute one. Just wanna know. Did
you know that if you replace your hot,
fresh brewed morning coffee
with flaxseed and green tea,
well, you'll lose 87%
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of what little joy you still have left
in life.
What about surgery, Donna?
If you do get surgery,
it's called cholecystectomy
or the
coal bag takeout
in, you know, translated,
which is then the surgical removal of the
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gallbladder.
And it's usually done by it's called laparoscopy.
The laparoscopy?
No. I can't talk. By a,
Laparoscopy.
Yeah. With a,
what's that called now? With a not a
computer. A robot.
Oh, robotic. Yeah. They do it,
most once you get it done, most patients
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have substantial relief from that gallbladder pain because
it is really bad.
And then they can eat normal foods.
However,
some have
only temporarily relief and they might have to
limit fatty foods
and have There's nothing really bad about that.
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We should all be living on less fatty
foods. Right?
Right? Sort of. Okay. Hey. This one, you
gotta listen to carefully. Mhmm. A Tibetan monk
was making his morning toast when he looked
down at the margarine
and he saw in it the face of
Jesus.
He gasped,
and he said, I can't believe it's not
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Buddha.
We haven't got a peek out of him
yet.
Okay. He's I think he's snoring over there.
Well, some people who have the cholecystectomy,
they can actually develop something called cholecystectomy
syndrome
Okay. Which is a collection of symptoms such
as fatty food intolerance. They can't eat any
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fatty food anymore.
Or consistent upper abdominal pain, consistent bloating, consistent
nausea,
heartburn, diarrhea,
which can actually start right after surgery or
months or years later. Interesting.
So
mainly, it is caused by the altered bile
flow because the bile is not stored anywhere
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anymore. It just kind of slops out of
the liver and
and,
it tries to bind any fat
faticles out there. So that can cause these
symptoms. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think I
have a little bit more appreciation for gallbladder,
what it is. And thank you for illuminating
me. I never thought it was that
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popular of a organ, and it's it's kind
of hiding behind the liver. It's a little
pouch. You said it looks like a pouch.
Oh, sorry.
I find it ironic that when a vegan
gives up a bad habit, they have to
go cold turkey.
Or why is it when two vegans get
into an argument, it's called a beef?
Okay. Enough, enough. Thank you, doctor Gigi, for
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that great illuminating,
dissertation on the gallbladder.
Alright, folks.
I have something. A friend is in the
in the studio with us today that we'll
get a kick out of and have a
good, forty five minutes at least talk with
and that's Lon Goddard.
And Lon,
is one of those rare people whose life
seems woven
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from pure creativity and curiosity.
I mean, he represents proof
that the universe indeed does have a wicked
sense of humor.
From the buzzing new newsrooms of London
to now living in the quiet beauty of
Southern Oregon Coast
with his wife Claire, I must say. Hello,
Claire. Hi. He has lived the storyteller's heart
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interlaced with musical rhythms.
From what I know
of this man and new friend is that
he has spent decades turning life into melody,
every day into a story,
and always, just always a little bit of
mischief.
Lon is so many things. Where do I
start? Well, he's a he was a character,
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so he still is. You know, the people
that draw quickly the Cartoon? No. No. Car
what is it? Characters? Oh, caricaturist. Caricaturist.
There it is. He's that kind of an
artist and other types. Well, she's not a
lot of gall talking about my bladder like
that.
We're talking about your gallstone, not your bladder.
Oh, no. Here he goes.
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Oh, I mean, Jacob's bladder. I heard of
that one. But Jacob's
that was Jacob's bladder.
Jacob's bladder.
God help me. Alright. He's been that that
artist guy. He's been also a pop journalist
and, boy, does he have stories to tell
about that. He's a guitarist, a songwriter, actor,
film maven, and always always
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a community instigator.
Lon seems to collect talents the way some
people collect, talking about it early, coffee cups.
Lon has the credentials of working with London's
weekly Mirror newspaper and through that, he became
associated with dozens of celebrities
and he has backstage
past stories to tell about so many famous
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folks in the musical and theatrical realms. Today,
we are excited and honored to spend a
little time with this legendary
LG,
as he's called, e l and then g
e e,
Lon Goddard. That's my initials. That's your that's
the way you spell it, l. Like, l
picanto.
LG, he's a character whose journey connects continents,
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communities, and countless hearts. So
settle in, turn up the volume, and enjoy
this ride because here is our very own
nearby legend in the studio, the one and
only Lon Goddard. Lon, welcome to the DocuSign
show. Welcome, Lon. Shalomite.
There you go. Now why I couldn't stir
a single laugh out of you with those
fabulous jokes?
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He was bursting apart inside though. Right?
Well,
ask me anything. I'll I'll tell you twice.
Alright, Gigi. Start hitting them with some good
questions. When and why did you move to
our coastal region in how long ago? When?
That is the when. I got here in
1992.
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Woah.
Wow. Something like that way back.
Has it totally changed completely? Well, my sister,
who lives in Thousand Oaks, she's quite a
successful
real estate person,
but she hated it. And she said, I
went through like countless other people have said,
it's almost a quote now, I went through
this really nice little town called Brookings on
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the Oregon Coast, and it was just beautiful,
and I want to live there. Right.
I had just come back from England, parents
had died,
and I bought the family home on the
money they left me, which is ironic.
It was like a morgue, though, living in
the the home that we used to have
full of kids and what. Right. And I
said, well, I'll just go Ride Point for
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you if you wanna move up there. I'll
go and see what it's like.
So that was what was going on in
'92. I come up here,
and I thought, Well, she's right. It is
a nice little place. And I got a
room in the Checo Inn when you could
still do that.
And I looked around and that, and I
sort of start
started getting in
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contact with people to try and do some
kind of artwork.
I wound up doing some sign painting
while I waited till she,
came back to me saying, well, I'm not
going to move.
Your sister says I'm not gonna move after
all. She's
she was,
a fanatic
who couldn't get rid of her real estate
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problem.
So
I was here, and I have been here
ever since. I just
expanded into anything that I could find, which,
again, ironically,
I think the chief thing that I got
involved with quickly
was the, local radio station here at the
time. It was called out as I forget,
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but it was run on the
public channel.
And they had a program called Coast Stories
where a single crazy man with a camera
was running around
interviewing people he thought were interesting in the
area. Interesting. And eventually he,
he got in touch with another fella
and they started doing a duet
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where one guy was actually
interviewing somebody and the cameraman
stayed the cameraman.
I think the only,
episode of that that I saw on the
channel was where his new,
apprentice
was interviewing somebody in a funeral parlor and
it was a really dead
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piece of television. It truly was. So I
went to him and said, Let me try
this.
And I became the guy then who interviewed
everybody while he filmed, And that went on
for quite a long time. Thank you. I
met a whole load of people which ran
and everything, including L. O. Williams. Right. Hey.
That leads us to your next question, Gigi.
Well,
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taking it away. So we had dinner with
the current owners of that lovely seaside house
where
Elmo and Lorraine Williams lived.
Can you tell us some fun stories about
Elmo?
I regret that I I met,
Lorraine only, twice, I believe, and she was
really
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sitting in the kitchen somewhere while Elmo was
holding court with a lot of other people.
So she was pretty quiet.
I didn't I can't really
say too much about her. But regarding Elmo,
tons.
He's a talker, and since
I had just,
interviewed him out on his gazebo for the
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TV station. Oh, he was one of the
people, okay. Which I still have,
on
tape, the twenty five minute interview back in
'93
it would be, I guess.
And, we got along very well because I'm
fanatic about movies, and he was movies
personified.
Yeah.
So I started
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into the theater.
Let me just, twist that around.
Tom Jones, who runs a songwriting
company, still,
working signs and graphics in
in, the town here, he was a member
of the Checo Pelican Players, and he said,
You need to meet these people because they're
all crazy too.
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So I went in and I met them
and I wound up being on stage all
the time,
and then,
we
decided that we were going to do
some shows on Elmo Williams and the films
he'd done.
Okay. I paired with him and became the
compere
while Elmo was the subject,
and we did 24 shows. Woah. So I
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got to know him quite well. Nice. And
we planned the shows out almost like they
were comedy routines before
we unleashed him to go ahead and talk
about and he could talk about absolutely everything
to do with cinema,
but we always had
a funny little,
playlet
that came in and introduced the show, which
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I devised.
And we would do something
quite bizarre before we dragged him into the
corner, sat him down, and said, now talk.
Wow.
Cool. And he lived to be 104?
Three or 102.
102?
Okay.
And is he buried somewhere in
in On Salem Park?
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I'm not sure that he's,
where he's interred, but, there is a memorial
in Zadie Park. Well, Elmo actually
named Zadie Park to begin with. Really? No.
I cannot hear.
And,
the city council here,
when he passed,
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wanted to do a memorial, so they came
to me and asked if I would write
something for it.
And being an illustrator
for many years, which I was official in
London,
a professional illustrator, I designed a plaque to
be done in brass.
And I wrote a couple of stanzas there,
and then I had a,
profile of Elmo,
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which was done by Nancy Tuttle,
a terrific
sculptress who used to live here,
and that's in the park now. Where is
it in the park? We thought we'd find
it. Where is it? Is it in that
little where the where the path goes around
that Well, where the car park is Yeah.
If you do a left out of that
and walk in, it's just in there. So
between car park and
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the Capella?
No. No. No. Capella is the other side
of it. Which car park then? I mean,
there's several No. The car park that's up
by the the playground. Right? The car park
that's across from Saint Timothy's.
Oh, that car park? That car park. If
you go into the left Oh, yeah. That's
gonna be half way up. You only go
a couple of feet, and there it is.
It's an alcove. It's got three benches. Oh.
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It has by the bench. Memorial with the
brass plaque on it. And your name's on
that? It is. So I don't need a
tombstone. It's already there.
Perfect.
Now we know it. We'll get to that
question in just a little bit. Now we
recently saw you at the Wild Rivers Film
Festival.
You were up on stage. It was a
celebration that you were there
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because
the movie,
Deso.
It was a Deso Hoffman,
people as a photographer. There we go. Tell
us about your relationship with Deso. It's fascinating.
Well, Deso was
born in Austro, Hungary,
but he grew up in what was then
Czechoslovakia.
He got interested in photography as a kid
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and because things were so
roughed up in Europe at that time, he
wound up as a teenager working his way
west with his, camera.
So he went through,
two world wars, one and two Wow. And
the Spanish Civil War
and worked his way
into London.
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When he got there, there were no wars
on,
but,
he found this
band called The Beatles that he'd heard about
because some fan up there in Liverpool where
they were first starting Mhmm. Kept on badgering
him saying you gotta come up there and
and see these people. And they badgered Record
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Mirror
the same time, and Dezza was the Record
Mirror official photographer. And Record Mirror was a
weekly paper. Weekly news color paper.
Eventually, Recoamero buckled under and said, alright. We'll
send somebody up there with Dezzo, and they
were astounded by the talent.
And so Dezzo took a lot of pictures
which became
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the signature photos of the early Beatles where
they're in the air They're jumping up in
the air.
That was a great, great,
movie
called Dezo Hoffman, right? The movie was called
Dezo Hoffman or the portrait? Wasn't it a
documentary? Well, it was done by the Czechs
because, the Czech film company or the
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Slovakian
film company
have it have you have to use their
language in English and that's why it says
Deso
Hoffman
photograph
Beatles.
So tell us some more details about Dezzo.
You would go out,
for instance,
he was ordered out by the newspaper editor
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to go out and take pictures of celebrities,
and then why why would you tag along?
What were you what was your No. No.
It was the other way around. Was it
the other way around? Okay. Gotcha. He would
tag We were working in the office and,
of course, we have to keep our ears
to the ground as to what was big,
who was big. And so I would go
out and interview someone
that we arranged and we'd call for Dezo
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to come and photograph the person while it
was being done.
Gotcha.
And you have interviewed
dozens and dozens of pretty big name people
that you ring a bell. Yeah. A lot.
Yeah. And you were played a part in
that movie, the the biography of of Dezo
Hoffman.
And sure enough, we're watching it. Big, big
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movie production. And you're there on It's day.
With Paul McCartney and all these other people
reflecting back on Dezo. And there you are,
wearing a wearing a
classic hat The bulldog hat. Talking about, Dezzo.
So what an experience
that must have been
to have him tag along. Did he ever
ask did he ask all the people he
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interviewed or you were interviewing? Did he tell
him jump up in the air? No. No.
Because that was his buddy. He he would
direct them into, where they should look
and, how they should smile or not smile.
Dessa was a good film director
as a cameraman.
Wow. So how many pictures you know, when
they all jump in the air, how many
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pictures did it take to come up with
that perfect one?
A minute. Oh, he would go click, click,
click, click, click, click, so I'm sure when
he got back to the studio, he just
selected the one where they were in the
position he wanted. Back in the old days
when they had developed their own photo Yeah.
Right? Wow. Yeah. The old days, there were
nothing was digital. Okay. So you have a
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tendency
to be hanging out with influential people because
you are into a
you're a talented person. So you've had Dezo
and then you got into Elmo and under
that that realm with him. And you mentioned
earlier about Pelican players.
What
did you play every role there was? Were
you, like, in every
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play for a long, long time?
Well, after Tom Jones told me I should
beat this load of loonies.
A load of loonies.
I saw them doing
The Man Who Came to Dinner. It was
a play,
and it required three,
it was about a man who took people
out of prison and brought them into his
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house and cooked great meals for them and
all that because it amused him.
And I played three one of three convicts
that were linked together,
to be pulled into this man's house for
a meal,
and that was my first time on stage.
I had the line of the three people.
The guy said, we're going to have Cherries
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Jubilee for dessert. My line was, Cherries Jubilee.
That was my line. That's it. So I
went back home and I went, Cherry's Jubilee.
Cherry's Jubilee. Cherry's Jubilee. I could rehearse it
every possible way I could
initiate it. And then when I got there,
they took my line away and gave it
to the other guy. Oh, how sad. And
(28:13):
then we got but I was still on
the stage.
So you have a British accent,
but you have traveled all over Europe.
Right?
I traveled wherever the papers sent me. Can't
say all over because How was that? Italy,
Greece, places like that. I've never been there.
Wait. You sent
where did you not go or where did
you go?
(28:33):
Oh, let's see.
France,
Holland,
Sweden,
Switzerland,
Spain.
Did you miss Germany?
Germany. Okay. Here we go.
But you were actually situated out of England?
Yes. Of London.
Okay. Center Of London.
What made you how did you get that
(28:55):
job? I mean, how did you get I
Yeah.
I I started playing one on one,
folk songs in a club there called Less
Cousins, which is one of the earliest
folk clubs,
in London that there is. Well, probably in
the world where, people like Bert Yanch were
(29:16):
playing probably unknown here.
John Renborne and Al Stewart.
Paul Simon played there. Donovan came by there.
Oh, I know. It was in Greek Street
in the middle of Soho.
Well,
when I was busking on the streets of
Paris,
one of the guys there said, If you
go back to London and you're homeless like
(29:36):
you are, like I am, he said, go
to, this, place in Kilburn, here's the address,
Roy Harper, he's a folk singer,
he takes in people, he'll put up anybody.
Well, I did. So I went there and
knocked on the door, and Roy Harper came
down and he said, oh, man. Another one.
Uh-oh. My goodness. So but
(29:57):
he was a nice guy. He's a great
guy. He put me on the floor in
my sleeping bag and my guitar Yeah. Along
with about six or seven other guys.
All convicts.
Listen, I we have to take a break
because time flies when we're having fun. It's
already that mid mid break time here on
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(30:19):
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thanks to all of you.
We are talking with,
LG or Lon Goddard
about his, trials and tribulations
and fun times. What is busking and what
were you doing in France busking?
(31:01):
Busking is street singing for money in your
hat or your guitar case or whatever you
can beg.
And there were a lot of guys doing
that at the time,
and I just got to London with a
friend of mine. I only went to London
on a lark,
out of Sacramento, out of Elk Grove,
because my high school friend was going there.
(31:21):
He'd arranged a,
a course in drama at Manchester University. So
he upped and said, I'm going there. And
I said, well, I got nothing else to
do. So I went too,
intending to be back before the summer was
over.
But he went into his course,
and I met people who were, playing guitar.
(31:42):
I went over to Paris and busked on
the streets there with them. That's when somebody
said, if you're going back to London, go
and see Roy Harper.
He put me up on the floor,
and I got along well well with him,
and I eventually
drew his first LP, Kaba, a cartoon of
him. Cool. And then I played on two
of his tracks as second guitar.
(32:04):
And that sort of got me going into
folk clubs, and that's where I went into
music.
Wow. So what are your favorite entertain
entertainer or music groups?
You started with folk. Right? But then you're
I'm still a folkie,
I have to admit.
K. Now when you when you were when
you were with,
the Mirror,
(32:25):
who were some of your favorite entertainers and
musicians that we'd all know? Who who are
the nice ones?
The nice ones? Well, they were all really
nice, I have to say.
It would be easier to answer who wasn't.
Well, that's the next question.
You read our mind.
Well, the worst interview I ever did was
Neil Diamond.
(32:46):
Neil
Diamond. I like Neil Diamond. I have to
say that everybody converged on London at that
time in around the nineteen sixties,
the late sixties.
And so he was one and I was
out to see him, but he must have
had a bad day or
perhaps his all of his days were bad,
but when I got there he was upset
with everybody, the hotel, his crew,
(33:08):
just the world, and so he started calling
everybody,
what did he say, a beat off. Okay.
You guessed it. That you're a beat they're
a beat off. My crew's a bunch of
beat offs. Everybody's a the hotel was full
of I started counting these.
He didn't call me one, but he called
everybody else one. In the end, he said
that 25 times. So in the feature that
(33:30):
I wrote, I put it in there.
Wow. So he didn't like you after that
for sure. Right?
He was just the most miserable person. Aw.
Sad. Is that I am, said I. Yeah.
That's Neil Diamond. I was confused about it.
Yes. Yeah. Okay. Alright. He wrote some great
songs.
Alright.
How about the hands down best interviewer,
(33:53):
or celebrity or musician? Or the one that
you're most proud of.
Did you really Keith Richards.
Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. That was fun.
Because he had this
Keith Richards about him.
Was he playing on part part then? He
he was playing that he was truly into
what? Was he doing lots of This was
about the time of Beggars Banquet. Okay.
(34:14):
And I got to,
the Stones office was just a few blocks
from Rekomera's office. I couldn't get to see
them, and then a friend of mine said,
what you need to do is go and
talk to
the lady who's the front desk there, the
secretary lady,
forgotten her name now, and then, you might
get somewhere. So I did. I went to
(34:35):
talk to her instead of going through their
publicist,
and she set me up with each one
of them in a row except Jagger
Oh. Whom I met later. But Keith Richards
was the,
the star one. So I got to spend
about an hour and a half in a
around a single table with him and nobody
else but my photographer. Smoking cigarettes?
(34:56):
He was. Oh, I was too. Yes. I
was a smoker.
But the thing about Keith was he was
able to
randomly enter into a sentence,
and then he would get a few words
into it, and then he would just stop,
and you'd think, What's going on? Has he
lost the train of thought?
And then it would come right back into
(35:16):
it again as if there was no space.
Boyard.
I'll tell you what, I was
in France one day, and then I was
up against the wall in this window, and
then I
I,
well, I came down the stairs, and then
I It's a long story. Like that.
Mini TIA? Is that what Yeah. Mini TIA.
(35:38):
Mini mini Do you have a whole bunch
of paper ephemera
or collections,
of your art and travels tickets?
Well, fortunately,
when I joined Record Mirror staff
and I joined them as a cartoonist
because I took my crude cartoons around there,
I saw the other music papers and I
drew the
(35:58):
caricatures of the people they'd photographed, took them
around to record mirror. They hired me. So
I put one a week in there. Wow.
And then I eventually became a writer and
a layout man and worked all all the
way up. But,
it was just,
well,
I was I was advised against this by
a lady called Judith Piapet, who had who
(36:21):
runs a,
did run
a social worker's
house
in London picking up,
out of
the out of place folkies
and taking them home and trying to direct
them into what they should do. She took
me home,
as she had just taken Paul Simon home
(36:41):
previous
to that,
and he got off to do other things,
and I said, Well, I'd like to do
music and all that stuff. And she said,
well, I've got this newly ordained priest in
Trafalgar Square. It's called Folk Club just starting,
and maybe that's what you should do is
run that. So I'll introduce you to this
(37:03):
newly ordained priest. And I said, Well, you
know, I have this alternate idea that I
can draw people and go around to the
papers, and I'll probably get a job doing
that. No, no, you don't wanna do that.
You wanna do what I want you to
do. So she brought the priest around, and
he was, he must have been about
21,
and he's going, Oh yes, I really like
you, you lovely person, and you can play
(37:24):
the guitar as I can see. You a
person, I want to run Martial Club. Absolutely
right, it's a bingo thing we're gonna do.
And I said to Judith, I don't wanna
do this.
And she said, well, somebody else then probably
needs your bed.
Oh. Oh, wow. That was it. Then I
went around to the papers and got the
job. Right. He could be doing bingo. Jeez.
(37:47):
And now you
and Claire travel quite a bit. We followed
you for the past few years on Facebook
where you were what's your favorite city? You
love going back to London because you know
a lot of Oh, For a long while,
I thought Paris was my favorite city. And
to be fair, it's difficult to juggle it
with London,
which is my favorite city because London has
(38:08):
all my friends. Yeah. I've got some friends
in Paris too, and I love the art
of Paris,
but I can't
select one without the other.
If I had to,
I would say London.
Wow. And Claire once said to me, we
haven't talked too much, but she said, it's
getting harder and harder
because many of your old good buddies have
(38:30):
passed. Or these people have passed on. That's
so true. And so there's only a limited
amount of time. Do you plan a trip
every year to Europe and Yes. Yeah. It's
what I work for all year. Right. Is
to go and see them before they peg
out or I do. Right. Peg out. Hey,
you're you're looking healthy. You brought your your
guitar. Yoo hoo. When did you start playing
the guitar?
(38:52):
Yeah. About 1962
or '3. How old were you? I bought
some guitar with blue chip stamps. Woah. I
remember blue chip stamps. What does that mean?
Green screen well, okay. Blue chips. Okay. Back
in Elk Grove and tried to learn from
a one zero one book,
and I started listening to music then, mostly
folk players, and then Donovan came along, and
(39:12):
to be fair, his records is what got
me into what I do. I
thought, How does he do that nice picking
like that? So smooth. It's absolutely
timed.
And how does he do that? Must be
the I could just rattle off his hits.
Must be the season of the witch and
These are no. Very early. Yellow yellow.
He was able to do things like,
(39:34):
fix like this.
And I thought, how does he do that?
So I kept listening to the
doggone records
incessantly,
and I got it wrong all the time,
but I had a crude version of it,
and then suddenly something hit me. I don't
(39:57):
know when it was, but a couple years
after that I realized that all these guys
are doing this
all the time and then
and as soon as you've got that bass
thing going,
just work the other fingers. That's how he
does it.
(40:17):
He Now you do it. He was fabulous.
I guess Donovan well, he yeah. He was
famous.
There's some I've read where he didn't really
get all the credit he was due, but,
I He was famous. We even knew him
in Germany. Yeah. He has he had a
lot of I got records in,
from Germany
and from France that were not released in
(40:38):
The US Oh. When I got over there.
And I was, wow. Here's stuff I don't
know yet. Wow. And, I learned almost everything
just by ear when I finally got that
little secret of the bass lines. Very cool.
So how would you describe
your music that you
design
play?
(40:58):
Retired folk.
I'm retired folk too. It's kind of ambiguous.
I was about to see she's still working,
but I'm retired folk. Well, it's it's old
style folk, but
there's
ways of
accentuating
with
like
a
(41:22):
you can do So lovely.
Right?
Or
You can just change the beat and kick.
Oh, interesting. That's one of the As long
as you can get different rhythms, you play
almost anything.
That almost made me want to,
to start calling auction.
(41:44):
Alright. Do you play any other, any other
instruments at all?
My parents started me when I was about
11 when a guy came around
selling steel guitar lessons
Wow. And they put me up to it.
Cool.
I was thrilled,
but not for very long because the stuff
on the radio, all the pop stuff, which
(42:05):
I adored,
it was impossible to do on a little
guitar sitting on your lap that was in
an open tuning.
So you could only really use, like, frets
two, five, and seven,
and then
little single strings in between because it was
in an open tuning.
(42:25):
But it did have the advantage of the
slide that you get with steel guitar. We
ask all musicians and most of them say
no. But But eventually my my my steel
guitar teacher said I've taught you all I
know. Wow. So off you go. Wow. And
then some Off you go. Couple of guys
who were a little older than me trying
to do Everly Brothers stuff said, oh, you
have a guitar? Could you just go doo
doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
(42:46):
doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo doo doo behind what
we do? And I did that for about
ten minutes before I thought, don't wanna do
this.
So I got a regular guitar, the stamp
books, and then I started in. The real
deal. Alright. Would you like to play us
a couple of songs? Now I understand you
have originals, but you mainly do covers.
And who are some of the artists that
(43:07):
you cover routinely? Is it Dylan and some
of the other Donald well, I I do
a lot of Donovan, Paul Simon,
Chris Kristofferson.
Right. Wow.
Good.
Let's see.
Must be the season. I'm trying to think
of the people without my list. Yeah. You
have a long list, and you are so
good because you also add a little bit
(43:28):
of humor. And you tell stories in between
your your sets. What do you got to
play for us? You got a place that
diddly
Well, since we have a copyright
problem,
I'm going to, Make something?
Here's one that most people might
might know.
My Grandfather's Clock. K.
(44:00):
Now my grandfather's
clock
was too chomp, follow the shell,
So it stayed ninety years
on the floor
It was taller
by hand
than the old man himself
Lowing wading out a penny, wading more
(44:22):
It was but on the morning
of the day that he was born
And was always
his treasure
and pride
But it stopped
short
Never to go again
when the old
man
died
(44:45):
Now my grandfather
said,
out of those he could hire,
not a person so grateful he found.
For it wasted
no time
and it had but one design
at the end of each week to be
wowed.
(45:08):
And he stayed
in his place
with his hands upon his face,
but the hands never hung
by the side.
Bed stopped
short,
never had to go again
when the old man
died.
(45:28):
Then it rang
an alarm
in the dead of the night,
an alarm
that four years had been
dumb And we knew
that his spirit
was plumbing towards the plate And the hour
of departure
had come
Still that clock kept the chime with its
(45:51):
soft and mournful charm as we all gathered
around by his side.
Then it stopped
short,
never to grow again
Yes, it stopped short
Never to go again When the old man
(46:12):
died Yes, it stopped short Never to go
again When the old
man died
Yay.
There we go. Got the quintessential
lawn, got her l g.
(46:33):
Yeah. Okay. You got it.
We have we have just really enjoyed talking
with,
Lon Goddard today, and we are happy that
he has been in. He has had to
step out of the studio for a minute.
But, Gigi, do you have any funny little
jokes or anything? No. But I have quotes.
Oh, okay. I have to quote quote queen.
(46:53):
Okay. What do you got today? I have
the one from Leonard Cohen. There's a crack
and everything.
That's how the light gets in.
Oh, k. I think I get it. How
about
what do you do with 100 peaches? Now
listen to this. What do you do with
two 100 peaches?
Well, you eat what you can
and you can what you can't.
(47:16):
Yeah. Right? That's a good one. That's pretty
that's more of a quote. Right? I know.
Yeah. It's a good Yeah. What else do
you do? Could be. Right?
Okay. I have some light quotes. Right? So
because last time we didn't get to it.
Nothing can dim the light which shines from
within.
It's like a condition. Kinda along with that
other one you did there. Hey. Did you
hear about the plane that crashed in the
(47:37):
jungle, doctor? No. Every
single person died.
Well But the married couples were all okay.
Oh my gosh.
This is horrible.
Hey. If a child refuses to nap, are
they guilty of resisting
arrest?
Okay. I have a little,
(48:00):
quote. K.
Other than you, we should be the mirror
that reflects
it.
That's sweet in a way. Yeah. I asked
a chicken recently, how many eggs does it
lay every day? Mhmm. And she said, one
egg.
And I said, well, that's strange. And she
(48:20):
said, what's strange? The fact that I lay
an egg, only one egg a day?
And I said, no. The fact that you
were talking to me.
And she was a mathma chicken. A mathma
chicken. That's what they counts their eggs. That's
right.
Alright. What else?
Education is the movement from darkness to light.
(48:42):
Okay. Right? Why can't milk cartons walk?
Because they lack toast. Toes. They lack toes.
It was cute in the beginning. What did
the soup say to the sushi?
What? You make miso happy.
(49:03):
Okay.
You're pretty funny. Okay.
What else?
So,
we're gonna ask him when he comes back
if he has synesthesia.
If he has synesthesia. And then he's that?
He's been on the show once before.
Okay. We can still ask him that. Alright.
What's the difference? Member said. What's the difference
between a carrot and a unicorn doctor?
(49:24):
What? Well, one is a funny beast, and
the other is a bunny feast.
It's not funny, but it's cute. It's pretty
funny. I think it's pretty funny. Yeah. Alright.
Cool. And, at the zoo recently, I noticed
a slice of toast in one of the
enclosures. So I asked the keeper, I said,
hey, How did that toast get into the
(49:45):
cage? And he said, well, it was bread
in captivity.
Yeah.
Fuck.
Hey.
Yeah.
Hey, Lauren.
Yep. Do you have synesthesia?
What is that? That is when because we
ask the musicians mainly. Musicians.
Yeah. And I thought that's what you were
(50:05):
gonna ask. When you, like,
when you hear music, do you think in
numbers or colors
or vibrations
or, you know, do you associate
one input of a sense with another?
Well, I have
tunes going on in my head all the
time. Oh. It's difficult to sleep sometimes because
(50:25):
they're really weird.
And then if I'm
intending to do a song, I can't get
to sleep because I need to go through
the lyrics over and over and over. The
brain won't stop. Wow. I don't know
how you would
phrase that or name it. Yeah. But it
means that just about all the time when
(50:47):
I'm not
saying something and therefore concentrating on a subject
Yeah. Songs are going
in the head all the time. Well, you're
a real musician, I guess. Right? She sees,
numbers instead of colors. So if she sees
her favorite color is number 24 or No.
Yeah. No. My favorite color is One to
100. How about brown? What is brown? No.
(51:08):
66. No. Orange? No. My favorite color is
orange, which happens to be 24.
Right. But my favorite number is 28. Which
is what? Which is like a turquoise, which
is not my favorite color. Okay. Now we
know. That's anesthesia. Or some people will see
mathematical
Or
similar. Equations when they are when they're playing
guitar. Somebody will eat it. Right? It's rare.
(51:29):
Two percent of the population has it. I'm
colorblind, so my favorite color is actually black.
Oh, it'd be dark. No. Colorblind?
Completely.
Red green. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Red green.
Oh, wow. It's on the x chromosome. Does
he see a green lawn or a red
lawn? He sees a well, we don't Well,
his name is the lawn.
It's difficult
(51:50):
to negotiate colors
on fabrics,
for instance Right. And pastel
colors. Wow. Gigi just recently diagnosed me with
color blindness, and, wow, that came out of
the purple
instead of the blue? Okay.
Alright. Are you gonna play I don't think
I should have another. That was a good
one.
(52:11):
I have to remember that. You know, polish
it a little bit.
Charles
Schultz recently died as one of the richest
Americans of the twentieth century despite the fact
that he got a start making peanuts.
Okay.
Do you have anything else you'd like to
play with us for about the next eight
minutes or would you like Well, I could
probably, We have some more questions for you.
(52:32):
We'll clear up one. Well, you want to
talk. We've got to hear something. That's your
that's your
we like your song. We like your playing
and your voice and it's so much fun.
This is an iconic person we have in
this. Well, then here's a little,
little
tune. Hold the fox.
The fox went out on a chilling night.
(52:54):
He prayed for the moon to give him
light. He had many a mile to go
that night before he reached the town of
Rome.
So he run till he come to a
(53:15):
great big bin The ducks and the geese
were kept there, Ed He said a couple
of you were gonna grease my chin Before
I leave this town, Rome
Oh, well, a couple of you were gonna
grease my chin before I leave this town,
oh
(53:42):
So we grabbed the gray goose by the
neck and slung the duck across his back,
and he didn't mind the quack quack quack
all the legs all dangling down, oh,
Down,
down, down, no. Well, they didn't mind the
quack quack quack for the legs all dangled
in town, no.
(54:13):
Now the old girl jumped up off the
bed and out the window she popped her
head She said
John, John the goose is gone The fox
is on the town Oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh
(54:35):
So Johnny run up atop the hill And
he blew his arm below the labyrinth's trail
The fox said, I'd better run like hell
They'll all be on my tail
tailbone Well, the fox said I'd better run
like hellbent on beyond my tailbone
(55:08):
So we run till he come to his
cozy den, and there was the little one's
eight nine chance, saying daddy you ought to
go back again
It must be a real fine town, oh,
town, oh,
town, oh well daddy, you ought to go
back again It must be a real fine
town, oh
(55:32):
stripe,
they cut up the goose with a fork
and knife.
They never had such a feast in their
life.
And the little ones cheer on a bone.
So, bones bones,
oh bones, oh well They never had such
a fear in their life The little one's
chewing on their bones, oh
Chewing on their bones, oh Chewing on their
(55:53):
bones, oh
Well, it's
chewing
on
her
bones
Yeah, the fox went out all that chilly
night He prayed for the moon to give
(56:14):
him light He had many a mile to
go that night before he reached the town
Oh, town oh,
town oh It had many a mile to
go that night before he reached
(56:37):
Oh, cute. Now Yes.
Fun is that? A story.
You're a story legend.
Really, you are. You've done a lot of
things. You brought a a joy to a
lot of people.
You are doing your act, what did you
recent like, Saturday, you're doing it Misty Mountain?
Saturday, I'm Misty Mountain here. Yes. From six
to eight. And then Kuntai. And then next
(56:58):
Wednesday, I'm at the Kuntai.
Same time, six to eight. Today. Yeah. There
you go. That's amazing. Where do you see
yourself in two years, Lon? Mhmm.
Well, where do I see myself in two
years?
Underground.
No. No. About that.
Wrong answer. The underground railroad. No. No. No.
I'm gonna keep on going, so I see
(57:18):
myself in terms
of getting back to London every year. Yeah.
So I reckon that's where I'll be. Right
on. As a matter of fact, I asked
my lady, Claire,
to, cast my ashes on Greek Street in
front of the folk club,
Les Cousins,
when I have expired.
So part of your part of your ashes
can be scattered there, but you should scatter
(57:39):
some here in the ocean too. Oh, yeah.
You can throw them where you like really.
Can you take ashes? We found out from
the mortuary people we had on a couple
weeks ago that you in Oregon, it's perfectly
illegal as long as you don't make a
spectacle. It's perfectly illegal. Yeah. You can put
your ashes anywhere. This refrigerator I'd like to
make a spectacle.
I forgot about that. What will your tombstone
say? Have you put any thought into that?
(58:01):
Well, for quite a long time, it was
going to say,
what was it gonna say? He was here,
he tried his best, and then he went
and headed Well, it's already in it's already
in Azadi Park. Oh, yeah. You're on a
rack. You're on a you're on a film.
I'm right there with Elmo. Right. But for
a long time it was going to be,
there was nothing he couldn't do, so he
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didn't.
Okay. That's a good one. This is the
such a interesting fellow
and a friend,
to many in our in our community.
You're out
there making your music and singing your songs
on a regular basis. So good for you
that you're keeping up. And
your stories are phenomenal.
(58:44):
So
hats off. We bow low before you a
lot. Yeah. So interesting.
And we only scratched the surface, really. Yeah,
we have. We had you out. Was it
over six? Is it over six months ago?
When did we have a lot on? But
you're always welcome anytime. This is a wonderful
time. All right, I think it's about that
time. Again, Lon,
Goddard, thank you for coming in. Yes, it
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is. And playing for us. And telling your
story.
All right, what do you got? It is
our exit time here. You have been listening
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We hope you have enjoyed our show as
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learning about Lan Goddard. Yeah. Indeed. Peace and
(59:27):
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Hey. Stay tuned for Tony Eaters, so right
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Welcome.
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(00:31):
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now you know. The doc and I have
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Everybody's friend, doc Bilardi, reached out to me
this morning, and he wanted me to alert
everyone that since tomorrow is Thanksgiving
Oh, is it? Yeah. Well, for you people
(01:35):
that are hearing this next week on KZVH
and KFOG, it's gonna be one week old.
But there are all sorts of turkey
cookouts going on in different places. But one
of them is in Crescent City between twelve
noon and 02:00. It's a completely free turkey
dinner with dessert and beverages
and as many as you like for absolutely
(01:56):
zero money, and they're all happy to do
it. It takes place at the Del Norte
County Fairgrounds between noon and 2PM.
We hope we might just stop in and
say hello, and I can't really eat too
much meat or I'm not interested in much
of the meat, but hey,
it's the camaraderie that we all speak and
we all seek. Alright, what
marvels
(02:17):
and good medicine
and
health tips does my German medical doctor, patent
holding scientist, and university professor
have for us today on this week's health
segment of MDGG?
Well,
let me tell you.
When I suggested
to Jockey I'm a trick. The other day
that I was going to talk about gallbladder
(02:39):
issues,
he said,
nobody
nobody that I know suffers from gallbladder issues.
So boring. Well,
he be wrong.
I stand corrected, doctor. There are about fifteen
percent of the adult population that have gallbladder
issues. Wow. That's a lot, actually. Yeah. Right?
So it's one in seven. So, let's talk
(03:02):
about what the gallbladder is. What is the
gallbladder?
Well, let me tell
you. The gallbladder is a little pouch whose
main purpose is to store and concentrate
bile.
Oh. We say blood is bile. Well, bile
is a fluid that is produced by the
liver,
and it helps to break down fats during
(03:23):
digestion and then absorption into the body. Well,
speaking of food, doctor, if a tomato is
technically a fruit,
does that mean ketchup can be a smoothie?
I'm just asking. Just laughing. Alright. So what
about fatty foods? So when we do eat
the fatty foods, the gallbladder releases the bile
Okay. Into the small intestine
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so that
though we can take up the fat or
the fat soluble vitamins.
So because
fat does not mix with water and our
blood is mainly water. So the fat the
bile has
a water
friendly end and a fat friendly end. And
so it surrounds the little fatsicles,
(04:06):
so we can take it up. The fatsicles?
So it can't I mean, it's like a
car wash. Right? It dissolves
the grease. Right. It's like this. Hey. I
thought of that just now spontaneously.
It's pretty good.
So now you're thinking what can go wrong?
Oh. So what can go wrong? Why would
a gall of gallbladder issues? Common problems include
(04:28):
gallstones. We all know about gallstones. Yeah. Acute
and or chronic cholecystitis
or inflammation of the gallbladder. That's what drives
me crazy when she says those words like
that. And biliary
dyskinesia,
which means the, poor emptying of the bile
outside of where it's stored.
K. Do you know why Apple
couldn't talk to the orange doctor? Why?
(04:51):
Because it didn't know Mandarin.
That is a child joke.
You're you're allowed to laugh all you wear,
Shallon.
So then you say, what are gallstones? Yeah.
What are I have kidney stones. I've had
those. Yeah. Gallstones are different. Gallstones are hard
little pluxies
that develop when substances in the bile crystallize
(05:13):
and clump together inside
the gallbladder.
So there are cholesterol
stones,
pigment stones,
and mixed stones. Like margaritas, mixer on the
rock. Right? Or stirred or shaken.
Right? Yeah. Okay.
What is the fastest speaking of fluids, doctor.
Yeah? What is the fastest liquid on Earth?
(05:36):
What is it? Milk.
Because it's pasteurized
before you see it.
Pasteurized?
Oh, shoot. Oh, it's the same as okay.
You got it this time. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Gallstones in the middle. So why are gallstones
bad? Well, gallstones by themselves are not bad.
But
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they can obstruct the outlet for the bile
and then they are That sound good to
me. So when we eat fatty foods, the
gallbladder tries to squirt out the bile. But
if the outlet is obstructed
by a gallstone,
then the gallbladder squeezes and squeezes and nothing
comes out.
This squeezing is very very painful
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and it can result in an inflamed or
an aggravated gallbladder,
which then is called cholecystitis.
Oh, boy. Another long name. Yesterday, doctor Gigi
complained
that I need to, quote, grow up, she
said. Well, I was speechless
mainly because I had over 45 gummy bears
in my mouth, and I couldn't talk.
(06:40):
Alright. What else do we have on the
gallstones or gallbladder? Well, so if you have
the cholecystitis,
then we usually have crampy crampy crampy pains
on the right side of our tummy, right
upper side of our tummy. Is it underneath
your liver? Right? Yeah. It's right under the
liver,
especially after fatty meals because that's when the
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bile is being squozing out.
Also, we have can have nausea, vomiting,
bloating,
and sometimes pain that radiates to the back
of or in between the shoulder blades.
Complications,
and now this is the bad part, really.
Complications can include pancreatitis,
which is the very dangerous part. Yep. If
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the stones
block the pancreatic duct in there, infection,
and jaundice, if the bile ducts are obstructed.
Jaundice is when you turn yellow. Yellow. Right.
And then the bile and and the that's
the bile. That's the bilirubin activity. People used
to routinely get their gallbladders taken out? It
was like a secondary. It was what was
that what I'm thinking of? No. I think
(07:43):
the tonsils.
No. Tonsils. I thought gallbladders were removed. Okay.
Well, I know several people that had removed.
Did you know that Adam and Eve were
the very first people in the entire world
to not read Apple's terms and conditions?
That's pretty funny. Alright. What else do we
have? So how do we diagnose this inflamed
gallbladder? We do that with a so called
(08:06):
positive
Murphy sign.
So Murphy? Really? Why, you know, the doctors
push here and there. So the Mercosun is
when they push right where the gallbladder is
in that area,
and then the patient
catches
or stops breathing like that because the pain
all of a sudden is sharp. So you
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can push in and let go and then
you can see when the patient actually is
in more pain.
Because the inflamed gallbladder then
contacts the
the fingers of, you know, that are prodded
in the the body and
then they try to
get away from it with that
movement.
(08:47):
Mhmm. But there are that's a poor man's
thing, but that's where how it's done, normally,
like, in the outpatient setting. But more body
all the time. More soft sophisticated methods include
the ultrasound Oh. And
And then they push She's with the ultrasound
on there and see how you react. And
the so called HIDA scan. HIDA?
(09:07):
HIDA scan,
we can actually physically see
when the gallbladder
fills and squeezes out, and we can see
if it maybe doesn't even fill any bile
or nothing comes out because it's obstructed. Do
you ever hide a,
you know, prognosis for your patients? HIDA. Okay.
That was a bad joke. Hey. If if
tea and coffee are married and the tea
(09:30):
Bad joke. Oh.
If tea and coffee are married
and the tea leaves,
does that give the coffee grounds for divorce?
That's a cute one. Just wanna know. Did
you know that if you replace your hot,
fresh brewed morning coffee
with flaxseed and green tea,
well, you'll lose 87%
(09:51):
of what little joy you still have left
in life.
What about surgery, Donna?
If you do get surgery,
it's called cholecystectomy
or the
coal bag takeout
in, you know, translated,
which is then the surgical removal of the
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gallbladder.
And it's usually done by it's called laparoscopy.
The laparoscopy?
No. I can't talk. By a,
Laparoscopy.
Yeah. With a,
what's that called now? With a not a
computer. A robot.
Oh, robotic. Yeah. They do it,
most once you get it done, most patients
(10:33):
have substantial relief from that gallbladder pain because
it is really bad.
And then they can eat normal foods.
However,
some have
only temporarily relief and they might have to
limit fatty foods
and have There's nothing really bad about that.
(10:54):
We should all be living on less fatty
foods. Right?
Right? Sort of. Okay. Hey. This one, you
gotta listen to carefully. Mhmm. A Tibetan monk
was making his morning toast when he looked
down at the margarine
and he saw in it the face of
Jesus.
He gasped,
and he said, I can't believe it's not
(11:15):
Buddha.
We haven't got a peek out of him
yet.
Okay. He's I think he's snoring over there.
Well, some people who have the cholecystectomy,
they can actually develop something called cholecystectomy
syndrome
Okay. Which is a collection of symptoms such
as fatty food intolerance. They can't eat any
(11:37):
fatty food anymore.
Or consistent upper abdominal pain, consistent bloating, consistent
nausea,
heartburn, diarrhea,
which can actually start right after surgery or
months or years later. Interesting.
So
mainly, it is caused by the altered bile
flow because the bile is not stored anywhere
(11:58):
anymore. It just kind of slops out of
the liver and
and,
it tries to bind any fat
faticles out there. So that can cause these
symptoms. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think I
have a little bit more appreciation for gallbladder,
what it is. And thank you for illuminating
me. I never thought it was that
(12:21):
popular of a organ, and it's it's kind
of hiding behind the liver. It's a little
pouch. You said it looks like a pouch.
Oh, sorry.
I find it ironic that when a vegan
gives up a bad habit, they have to
go cold turkey.
Or why is it when two vegans get
into an argument, it's called a beef?
Okay. Enough, enough. Thank you, doctor Gigi, for
(12:43):
that great illuminating,
dissertation on the gallbladder.
Alright, folks.
I have something. A friend is in the
in the studio with us today that we'll
get a kick out of and have a
good, forty five minutes at least talk with
and that's Lon Goddard.
And Lon,
is one of those rare people whose life
seems woven
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from pure creativity and curiosity.
I mean, he represents proof
that the universe indeed does have a wicked
sense of humor.
From the buzzing new newsrooms of London
to now living in the quiet beauty of
Southern Oregon Coast
with his wife Claire, I must say. Hello,
Claire. Hi. He has lived the storyteller's heart
(13:27):
interlaced with musical rhythms.
From what I know
of this man and new friend is that
he has spent decades turning life into melody,
every day into a story,
and always, just always a little bit of
mischief.
Lon is so many things. Where do I
start? Well, he's a he was a character,
(13:48):
so he still is. You know, the people
that draw quickly the Cartoon? No. No. Car
what is it? Characters? Oh, caricaturist. Caricaturist.
There it is. He's that kind of an
artist and other types. Well, she's not a
lot of gall talking about my bladder like
that.
We're talking about your gallstone, not your bladder.
Oh, no. Here he goes.
(14:09):
Oh, I mean, Jacob's bladder. I heard of
that one. But Jacob's
that was Jacob's bladder.
Jacob's bladder.
God help me. Alright. He's been that that
artist guy. He's been also a pop journalist
and, boy, does he have stories to tell
about that. He's a guitarist, a songwriter, actor,
film maven, and always always
(14:30):
a community instigator.
Lon seems to collect talents the way some
people collect, talking about it early, coffee cups.
Lon has the credentials of working with London's
weekly Mirror newspaper and through that, he became
associated with dozens of celebrities
and he has backstage
past stories to tell about so many famous
(14:52):
folks in the musical and theatrical realms. Today,
we are excited and honored to spend a
little time with this legendary
LG,
as he's called, e l and then g
e e,
Lon Goddard. That's my initials. That's your that's
the way you spell it, l. Like, l
picanto.
LG, he's a character whose journey connects continents,
(15:15):
communities, and countless hearts. So
settle in, turn up the volume, and enjoy
this ride because here is our very own
nearby legend in the studio, the one and
only Lon Goddard. Lon, welcome to the DocuSign
show. Welcome, Lon. Shalomite.
There you go. Now why I couldn't stir
a single laugh out of you with those
fabulous jokes?
(15:36):
He was bursting apart inside though. Right?
Well,
ask me anything. I'll I'll tell you twice.
Alright, Gigi. Start hitting them with some good
questions. When and why did you move to
our coastal region in how long ago? When?
That is the when. I got here in
1992.
(15:56):
Woah.
Wow. Something like that way back.
Has it totally changed completely? Well, my sister,
who lives in Thousand Oaks, she's quite a
successful
real estate person,
but she hated it. And she said, I
went through like countless other people have said,
it's almost a quote now, I went through
this really nice little town called Brookings on
(16:18):
the Oregon Coast, and it was just beautiful,
and I want to live there. Right.
I had just come back from England, parents
had died,
and I bought the family home on the
money they left me, which is ironic.
It was like a morgue, though, living in
the the home that we used to have
full of kids and what. Right. And I
said, well, I'll just go Ride Point for
(16:39):
you if you wanna move up there. I'll
go and see what it's like.
So that was what was going on in
'92. I come up here,
and I thought, Well, she's right. It is
a nice little place. And I got a
room in the Checo Inn when you could
still do that.
And I looked around and that, and I
sort of start
started getting in
(16:59):
contact with people to try and do some
kind of artwork.
I wound up doing some sign painting
while I waited till she,
came back to me saying, well, I'm not
going to move.
Your sister says I'm not gonna move after
all. She's
she was,
a fanatic
who couldn't get rid of her real estate
(17:20):
problem.
So
I was here, and I have been here
ever since. I just
expanded into anything that I could find, which,
again, ironically,
I think the chief thing that I got
involved with quickly
was the, local radio station here at the
time. It was called out as I forget,
(17:41):
but it was run on the
public channel.
And they had a program called Coast Stories
where a single crazy man with a camera
was running around
interviewing people he thought were interesting in the
area. Interesting. And eventually he,
he got in touch with another fella
and they started doing a duet
(18:03):
where one guy was actually
interviewing somebody and the cameraman
stayed the cameraman.
I think the only,
episode of that that I saw on the
channel was where his new,
apprentice
was interviewing somebody in a funeral parlor and
it was a really dead
(18:24):
piece of television. It truly was. So I
went to him and said, Let me try
this.
And I became the guy then who interviewed
everybody while he filmed, And that went on
for quite a long time. Thank you. I
met a whole load of people which ran
and everything, including L. O. Williams. Right. Hey.
That leads us to your next question, Gigi.
Well,
(18:45):
taking it away. So we had dinner with
the current owners of that lovely seaside house
where
Elmo and Lorraine Williams lived.
Can you tell us some fun stories about
Elmo?
I regret that I I met,
Lorraine only, twice, I believe, and she was
really
(19:06):
sitting in the kitchen somewhere while Elmo was
holding court with a lot of other people.
So she was pretty quiet.
I didn't I can't really
say too much about her. But regarding Elmo,
tons.
He's a talker, and since
I had just,
interviewed him out on his gazebo for the
(19:26):
TV station. Oh, he was one of the
people, okay. Which I still have,
on
tape, the twenty five minute interview back in
'93
it would be, I guess.
And, we got along very well because I'm
fanatic about movies, and he was movies
personified.
Yeah.
So I started
(19:47):
into the theater.
Let me just, twist that around.
Tom Jones, who runs a songwriting
company, still,
working signs and graphics in
in, the town here, he was a member
of the Checo Pelican Players, and he said,
You need to meet these people because they're
all crazy too.
(20:09):
So I went in and I met them
and I wound up being on stage all
the time,
and then,
we
decided that we were going to do
some shows on Elmo Williams and the films
he'd done.
Okay. I paired with him and became the
compere
while Elmo was the subject,
and we did 24 shows. Woah. So I
(20:30):
got to know him quite well. Nice. And
we planned the shows out almost like they
were comedy routines before
we unleashed him to go ahead and talk
about and he could talk about absolutely everything
to do with cinema,
but we always had
a funny little,
playlet
that came in and introduced the show, which
(20:51):
I devised.
And we would do something
quite bizarre before we dragged him into the
corner, sat him down, and said, now talk.
Wow.
Cool. And he lived to be 104?
Three or 102.
102?
Okay.
And is he buried somewhere in
in On Salem Park?
(21:13):
I'm not sure that he's,
where he's interred, but, there is a memorial
in Zadie Park. Well, Elmo actually
named Zadie Park to begin with. Really? No.
I cannot hear.
And,
the city council here,
when he passed,
(21:33):
wanted to do a memorial, so they came
to me and asked if I would write
something for it.
And being an illustrator
for many years, which I was official in
London,
a professional illustrator, I designed a plaque to
be done in brass.
And I wrote a couple of stanzas there,
and then I had a,
profile of Elmo,
(21:54):
which was done by Nancy Tuttle,
a terrific
sculptress who used to live here,
and that's in the park now. Where is
it in the park? We thought we'd find
it. Where is it? Is it in that
little where the where the path goes around
that Well, where the car park is Yeah.
If you do a left out of that
and walk in, it's just in there. So
between car park and
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the Capella?
No. No. No. Capella is the other side
of it. Which car park then? I mean,
there's several No. The car park that's up
by the the playground. Right? The car park
that's across from Saint Timothy's.
Oh, that car park? That car park. If
you go into the left Oh, yeah. That's
gonna be half way up. You only go
a couple of feet, and there it is.
It's an alcove. It's got three benches. Oh.
(22:37):
It has by the bench. Memorial with the
brass plaque on it. And your name's on
that? It is. So I don't need a
tombstone. It's already there.
Perfect.
Now we know it. We'll get to that
question in just a little bit. Now we
recently saw you at the Wild Rivers Film
Festival.
You were up on stage. It was a
celebration that you were there
(22:58):
because
the movie,
Deso.
It was a Deso Hoffman,
people as a photographer. There we go. Tell
us about your relationship with Deso. It's fascinating.
Well, Deso was
born in Austro, Hungary,
but he grew up in what was then
Czechoslovakia.
He got interested in photography as a kid
(23:20):
and because things were so
roughed up in Europe at that time, he
wound up as a teenager working his way
west with his, camera.
So he went through,
two world wars, one and two Wow. And
the Spanish Civil War
and worked his way
into London.
(23:40):
When he got there, there were no wars
on,
but,
he found this
band called The Beatles that he'd heard about
because some fan up there in Liverpool where
they were first starting Mhmm. Kept on badgering
him saying you gotta come up there and
and see these people. And they badgered Record
(24:00):
Mirror
the same time, and Dezza was the Record
Mirror official photographer. And Record Mirror was a
weekly paper. Weekly news color paper.
Eventually, Recoamero buckled under and said, alright. We'll
send somebody up there with Dezzo, and they
were astounded by the talent.
And so Dezzo took a lot of pictures
which became
(24:21):
the signature photos of the early Beatles where
they're in the air They're jumping up in
the air.
That was a great, great,
movie
called Dezo Hoffman, right? The movie was called
Dezo Hoffman or the portrait? Wasn't it a
documentary? Well, it was done by the Czechs
because, the Czech film company or the
(24:42):
Slovakian
film company
have it have you have to use their
language in English and that's why it says
Deso
Hoffman
photograph
Beatles.
So tell us some more details about Dezzo.
You would go out,
for instance,
he was ordered out by the newspaper editor
(25:03):
to go out and take pictures of celebrities,
and then why why would you tag along?
What were you what was your No. No.
It was the other way around. Was it
the other way around? Okay. Gotcha. He would
tag We were working in the office and,
of course, we have to keep our ears
to the ground as to what was big,
who was big. And so I would go
out and interview someone
that we arranged and we'd call for Dezo
(25:25):
to come and photograph the person while it
was being done.
Gotcha.
And you have interviewed
dozens and dozens of pretty big name people
that you ring a bell. Yeah. A lot.
Yeah. And you were played a part in
that movie, the the biography of of Dezo
Hoffman.
And sure enough, we're watching it. Big, big
(25:45):
movie production. And you're there on It's day.
With Paul McCartney and all these other people
reflecting back on Dezo. And there you are,
wearing a wearing a
classic hat The bulldog hat. Talking about, Dezzo.
So what an experience
that must have been
to have him tag along. Did he ever
ask did he ask all the people he
(26:06):
interviewed or you were interviewing? Did he tell
him jump up in the air? No. No.
Because that was his buddy. He he would
direct them into, where they should look
and, how they should smile or not smile.
Dessa was a good film director
as a cameraman.
Wow. So how many pictures you know, when
they all jump in the air, how many
(26:28):
pictures did it take to come up with
that perfect one?
A minute. Oh, he would go click, click,
click, click, click, click, so I'm sure when
he got back to the studio, he just
selected the one where they were in the
position he wanted. Back in the old days
when they had developed their own photo Yeah.
Right? Wow. Yeah. The old days, there were
nothing was digital. Okay. So you have a
(26:48):
tendency
to be hanging out with influential people because
you are into a
you're a talented person. So you've had Dezo
and then you got into Elmo and under
that that realm with him. And you mentioned
earlier about Pelican players.
What
did you play every role there was? Were
you, like, in every
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play for a long, long time?
Well, after Tom Jones told me I should
beat this load of loonies.
A load of loonies.
I saw them doing
The Man Who Came to Dinner. It was
a play,
and it required three,
it was about a man who took people
out of prison and brought them into his
(27:30):
house and cooked great meals for them and
all that because it amused him.
And I played three one of three convicts
that were linked together,
to be pulled into this man's house for
a meal,
and that was my first time on stage.
I had the line of the three people.
The guy said, we're going to have Cherries
(27:51):
Jubilee for dessert. My line was, Cherries Jubilee.
That was my line. That's it. So I
went back home and I went, Cherry's Jubilee.
Cherry's Jubilee. Cherry's Jubilee. I could rehearse it
every possible way I could
initiate it. And then when I got there,
they took my line away and gave it
to the other guy. Oh, how sad. And
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then we got but I was still on
the stage.
So you have a British accent,
but you have traveled all over Europe.
Right?
I traveled wherever the papers sent me. Can't
say all over because How was that? Italy,
Greece, places like that. I've never been there.
Wait. You sent
where did you not go or where did
you go?
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Oh, let's see.
France,
Holland,
Sweden,
Switzerland,
Spain.
Did you miss Germany?
Germany. Okay. Here we go.
But you were actually situated out of England?
Yes. Of London.
Okay. Center Of London.
What made you how did you get that
(28:55):
job? I mean, how did you get I
Yeah.
I I started playing one on one,
folk songs in a club there called Less
Cousins, which is one of the earliest
folk clubs,
in London that there is. Well, probably in
the world where, people like Bert Yanch were
(29:16):
playing probably unknown here.
John Renborne and Al Stewart.
Paul Simon played there. Donovan came by there.
Oh, I know. It was in Greek Street
in the middle of Soho.
Well,
when I was busking on the streets of
Paris,
one of the guys there said, If you
go back to London and you're homeless like
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you are, like I am, he said, go
to, this, place in Kilburn, here's the address,
Roy Harper, he's a folk singer,
he takes in people, he'll put up anybody.
Well, I did. So I went there and
knocked on the door, and Roy Harper came
down and he said, oh, man. Another one.
Uh-oh. My goodness. So but
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he was a nice guy. He's a great
guy. He put me on the floor in
my sleeping bag and my guitar Yeah. Along
with about six or seven other guys.
All convicts.
Listen, I we have to take a break
because time flies when we're having fun. It's
already that mid mid break time here on
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On behalf of KCIW,
thanks to all of you.
We are talking with,
LG or Lon Goddard
about his, trials and tribulations
and fun times. What is busking and what
were you doing in France busking?
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Busking is street singing for money in your
hat or your guitar case or whatever you
can beg.
And there were a lot of guys doing
that at the time,
and I just got to London with a
friend of mine. I only went to London
on a lark,
out of Sacramento, out of Elk Grove,
because my high school friend was going there.
(31:21):
He'd arranged a,
a course in drama at Manchester University. So
he upped and said, I'm going there. And
I said, well, I got nothing else to
do. So I went too,
intending to be back before the summer was
over.
But he went into his course,
and I met people who were, playing guitar.
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I went over to Paris and busked on
the streets there with them. That's when somebody
said, if you're going back to London, go
and see Roy Harper.
He put me up on the floor,
and I got along well well with him,
and I eventually
drew his first LP, Kaba, a cartoon of
him. Cool. And then I played on two
of his tracks as second guitar.
(32:04):
And that sort of got me going into
folk clubs, and that's where I went into
music.
Wow. So what are your favorite entertain
entertainer or music groups?
You started with folk. Right? But then you're
I'm still a folkie,
I have to admit.
K. Now when you when you were when
you were with,
the Mirror,
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who were some of your favorite entertainers and
musicians that we'd all know? Who who are
the nice ones?
The nice ones? Well, they were all really
nice, I have to say.
It would be easier to answer who wasn't.
Well, that's the next question.
You read our mind.
Well, the worst interview I ever did was
Neil Diamond.
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Neil
Diamond. I like Neil Diamond. I have to
say that everybody converged on London at that
time in around the nineteen sixties,
the late sixties.
And so he was one and I was
out to see him, but he must have
had a bad day or
perhaps his all of his days were bad,
but when I got there he was upset
with everybody, the hotel, his crew,
(33:08):
just the world, and so he started calling
everybody,
what did he say, a beat off. Okay.
You guessed it. That you're a beat they're
a beat off. My crew's a bunch of
beat offs. Everybody's a the hotel was full
of I started counting these.
He didn't call me one, but he called
everybody else one. In the end, he said
that 25 times. So in the feature that
(33:30):
I wrote, I put it in there.
Wow. So he didn't like you after that
for sure. Right?
He was just the most miserable person. Aw.
Sad. Is that I am, said I. Yeah.
That's Neil Diamond. I was confused about it.
Yes. Yeah. Okay. Alright. He wrote some great
songs.
Alright.
How about the hands down best interviewer,
(33:53):
or celebrity or musician? Or the one that
you're most proud of.
Did you really Keith Richards.
Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. That was fun.
Because he had this
Keith Richards about him.
Was he playing on part part then? He
he was playing that he was truly into
what? Was he doing lots of This was
about the time of Beggars Banquet. Okay.
(34:14):
And I got to,
the Stones office was just a few blocks
from Rekomera's office. I couldn't get to see
them, and then a friend of mine said,
what you need to do is go and
talk to
the lady who's the front desk there, the
secretary lady,
forgotten her name now, and then, you might
get somewhere. So I did. I went to
(34:35):
talk to her instead of going through their
publicist,
and she set me up with each one
of them in a row except Jagger
Oh. Whom I met later. But Keith Richards
was the,
the star one. So I got to spend
about an hour and a half in a
around a single table with him and nobody
else but my photographer. Smoking cigarettes?
(34:56):
He was. Oh, I was too. Yes. I
was a smoker.
But the thing about Keith was he was
able to
randomly enter into a sentence,
and then he would get a few words
into it, and then he would just stop,
and you'd think, What's going on? Has he
lost the train of thought?
And then it would come right back into
(35:16):
it again as if there was no space.
Boyard.
I'll tell you what, I was
in France one day, and then I was
up against the wall in this window, and
then I
I,
well, I came down the stairs, and then
I It's a long story. Like that.
Mini TIA? Is that what Yeah. Mini TIA.
(35:38):
Mini mini Do you have a whole bunch
of paper ephemera
or collections,
of your art and travels tickets?
Well, fortunately,
when I joined Record Mirror staff
and I joined them as a cartoonist
because I took my crude cartoons around there,
I saw the other music papers and I
drew the
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caricatures of the people they'd photographed, took them
around to record mirror. They hired me. So
I put one a week in there. Wow.
And then I eventually became a writer and
a layout man and worked all all the
way up. But,
it was just,
well,
I was I was advised against this by
a lady called Judith Piapet, who had who
(36:21):
runs a,
did run
a social worker's
house
in London picking up,
out of
the out of place folkies
and taking them home and trying to direct
them into what they should do. She took
me home,
as she had just taken Paul Simon home
(36:41):
previous
to that,
and he got off to do other things,
and I said, Well, I'd like to do
music and all that stuff. And she said,
well, I've got this newly ordained priest in
Trafalgar Square. It's called Folk Club just starting,
and maybe that's what you should do is
run that. So I'll introduce you to this
(37:03):
newly ordained priest. And I said, Well, you
know, I have this alternate idea that I
can draw people and go around to the
papers, and I'll probably get a job doing
that. No, no, you don't wanna do that.
You wanna do what I want you to
do. So she brought the priest around, and
he was, he must have been about
21,
and he's going, Oh yes, I really like
you, you lovely person, and you can play
(37:24):
the guitar as I can see. You a
person, I want to run Martial Club. Absolutely
right, it's a bingo thing we're gonna do.
And I said to Judith, I don't wanna
do this.
And she said, well, somebody else then probably
needs your bed.
Oh. Oh, wow. That was it. Then I
went around to the papers and got the
job. Right. He could be doing bingo. Jeez.
(37:47):
And now you
and Claire travel quite a bit. We followed
you for the past few years on Facebook
where you were what's your favorite city? You
love going back to London because you know
a lot of Oh, For a long while,
I thought Paris was my favorite city. And
to be fair, it's difficult to juggle it
with London,
which is my favorite city because London has
(38:08):
all my friends. Yeah. I've got some friends
in Paris too, and I love the art
of Paris,
but I can't
select one without the other.
If I had to,
I would say London.
Wow. And Claire once said to me, we
haven't talked too much, but she said, it's
getting harder and harder
because many of your old good buddies have
(38:30):
passed. Or these people have passed on. That's
so true. And so there's only a limited
amount of time. Do you plan a trip
every year to Europe and Yes. Yeah. It's
what I work for all year. Right. Is
to go and see them before they peg
out or I do. Right. Peg out. Hey,
you're you're looking healthy. You brought your your
guitar. Yoo hoo. When did you start playing
the guitar?
(38:52):
Yeah. About 1962
or '3. How old were you? I bought
some guitar with blue chip stamps. Woah. I
remember blue chip stamps. What does that mean?
Green screen well, okay. Blue chips. Okay. Back
in Elk Grove and tried to learn from
a one zero one book,
and I started listening to music then, mostly
folk players, and then Donovan came along, and
(39:12):
to be fair, his records is what got
me into what I do. I
thought, How does he do that nice picking
like that? So smooth. It's absolutely
timed.
And how does he do that? Must be
the I could just rattle off his hits.
Must be the season of the witch and
These are no. Very early. Yellow yellow.
He was able to do things like,
(39:34):
fix like this.
And I thought, how does he do that?
So I kept listening to the
doggone records
incessantly,
and I got it wrong all the time,
but I had a crude version of it,
and then suddenly something hit me. I don't
(39:57):
know when it was, but a couple years
after that I realized that all these guys
are doing this
all the time and then
and as soon as you've got that bass
thing going,
just work the other fingers. That's how he
does it.
(40:17):
He Now you do it. He was fabulous.
I guess Donovan well, he yeah. He was
famous.
There's some I've read where he didn't really
get all the credit he was due, but,
I He was famous. We even knew him
in Germany. Yeah. He has he had a
lot of I got records in,
from Germany
and from France that were not released in
(40:38):
The US Oh. When I got over there.
And I was, wow. Here's stuff I don't
know yet. Wow. And, I learned almost everything
just by ear when I finally got that
little secret of the bass lines. Very cool.
So how would you describe
your music that you
design
play?
(40:58):
Retired folk.
I'm retired folk too. It's kind of ambiguous.
I was about to see she's still working,
but I'm retired folk. Well, it's it's old
style folk, but
there's
ways of
accentuating
with
like
a
(41:22):
you can do So lovely.
Right?
Or
You can just change the beat and kick.
Oh, interesting. That's one of the As long
as you can get different rhythms, you play
almost anything.
That almost made me want to,
to start calling auction.
(41:44):
Alright. Do you play any other, any other
instruments at all?
My parents started me when I was about
11 when a guy came around
selling steel guitar lessons
Wow. And they put me up to it.
Cool.
I was thrilled,
but not for very long because the stuff
on the radio, all the pop stuff, which
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I adored,
it was impossible to do on a little
guitar sitting on your lap that was in
an open tuning.
So you could only really use, like, frets
two, five, and seven,
and then
little single strings in between because it was
in an open tuning.
(42:25):
But it did have the advantage of the
slide that you get with steel guitar. We
ask all musicians and most of them say
no. But But eventually my my my steel
guitar teacher said I've taught you all I
know. Wow. So off you go. Wow. And
then some Off you go. Couple of guys
who were a little older than me trying
to do Everly Brothers stuff said, oh, you
have a guitar? Could you just go doo
doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
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doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo doo doo behind what
we do? And I did that for about
ten minutes before I thought, don't wanna do
this.
So I got a regular guitar, the stamp
books, and then I started in. The real
deal. Alright. Would you like to play us
a couple of songs? Now I understand you
have originals, but you mainly do covers.
And who are some of the artists that
(43:07):
you cover routinely? Is it Dylan and some
of the other Donald well, I I do
a lot of Donovan, Paul Simon,
Chris Kristofferson.
Right. Wow.
Good.
Let's see.
Must be the season. I'm trying to think
of the people without my list. Yeah. You
have a long list, and you are so
good because you also add a little bit
(43:28):
of humor. And you tell stories in between
your your sets. What do you got to
play for us? You got a place that
diddly
Well, since we have a copyright
problem,
I'm going to, Make something?
Here's one that most people might
might know.
My Grandfather's Clock. K.
(44:00):
Now my grandfather's
clock
was too chomp, follow the shell,
So it stayed ninety years
on the floor
It was taller
by hand
than the old man himself
Lowing wading out a penny, wading more
(44:22):
It was but on the morning
of the day that he was born
And was always
his treasure
and pride
But it stopped
short
Never to go again
when the old
man
died
(44:45):
Now my grandfather
said,
out of those he could hire,
not a person so grateful he found.
For it wasted
no time
and it had but one design
at the end of each week to be
wowed.
(45:08):
And he stayed
in his place
with his hands upon his face,
but the hands never hung
by the side.
Bed stopped
short,
never had to go again
when the old man
died.
(45:28):
Then it rang
an alarm
in the dead of the night,
an alarm
that four years had been
dumb And we knew
that his spirit
was plumbing towards the plate And the hour
of departure
had come
Still that clock kept the chime with its
(45:51):
soft and mournful charm as we all gathered
around by his side.
Then it stopped
short,
never to grow again
Yes, it stopped short
Never to go again When the old man
(46:12):
died Yes, it stopped short Never to go
again When the old
man died
Yay.
There we go. Got the quintessential
lawn, got her l g.
(46:33):
Yeah. Okay. You got it.
We have we have just really enjoyed talking
with,
Lon Goddard today, and we are happy that
he has been in. He has had to
step out of the studio for a minute.
But, Gigi, do you have any funny little
jokes or anything? No. But I have quotes.
Oh, okay. I have to quote quote queen.
(46:53):
Okay. What do you got today? I have
the one from Leonard Cohen. There's a crack
and everything.
That's how the light gets in.
Oh, k. I think I get it. How
about
what do you do with 100 peaches? Now
listen to this. What do you do with
two 100 peaches?
Well, you eat what you can
and you can what you can't.
(47:16):
Yeah. Right? That's a good one. That's pretty
that's more of a quote. Right? I know.
Yeah. It's a good Yeah. What else do
you do? Could be. Right?
Okay. I have some light quotes. Right? So
because last time we didn't get to it.
Nothing can dim the light which shines from
within.
It's like a condition. Kinda along with that
other one you did there. Hey. Did you
hear about the plane that crashed in the
(47:37):
jungle, doctor? No. Every
single person died.
Well But the married couples were all okay.
Oh my gosh.
This is horrible.
Hey. If a child refuses to nap, are
they guilty of resisting
arrest?
Okay. I have a little,
(48:00):
quote. K.
Other than you, we should be the mirror
that reflects
it.
That's sweet in a way. Yeah. I asked
a chicken recently, how many eggs does it
lay every day? Mhmm. And she said, one
egg.
And I said, well, that's strange. And she
(48:20):
said, what's strange? The fact that I lay
an egg, only one egg a day?
And I said, no. The fact that you
were talking to me.
And she was a mathma chicken. A mathma
chicken. That's what they counts their eggs. That's
right.
Alright. What else?
Education is the movement from darkness to light.
(48:42):
Okay. Right? Why can't milk cartons walk?
Because they lack toast. Toes. They lack toes.
It was cute in the beginning. What did
the soup say to the sushi?
What? You make miso happy.
(49:03):
Okay.
You're pretty funny. Okay.
What else?
So,
we're gonna ask him when he comes back
if he has synesthesia.
If he has synesthesia. And then he's that?
He's been on the show once before.
Okay. We can still ask him that. Alright.
What's the difference? Member said. What's the difference
between a carrot and a unicorn doctor?
(49:24):
What? Well, one is a funny beast, and
the other is a bunny feast.
It's not funny, but it's cute. It's pretty
funny. I think it's pretty funny. Yeah. Alright.
Cool. And, at the zoo recently, I noticed
a slice of toast in one of the
enclosures. So I asked the keeper, I said,
hey, How did that toast get into the
(49:45):
cage? And he said, well, it was bread
in captivity.
Yeah.
Fuck.
Hey.
Yeah.
Hey, Lauren.
Yep. Do you have synesthesia?
What is that? That is when because we
ask the musicians mainly. Musicians.
Yeah. And I thought that's what you were
(50:05):
gonna ask. When you, like,
when you hear music, do you think in
numbers or colors
or vibrations
or, you know, do you associate
one input of a sense with another?
Well, I have
tunes going on in my head all the
time. Oh. It's difficult to sleep sometimes because
(50:25):
they're really weird.
And then if I'm
intending to do a song, I can't get
to sleep because I need to go through
the lyrics over and over and over. The
brain won't stop. Wow. I don't know
how you would
phrase that or name it. Yeah. But it
means that just about all the time when
(50:47):
I'm not
saying something and therefore concentrating on a subject
Yeah. Songs are going
in the head all the time. Well, you're
a real musician, I guess. Right? She sees,
numbers instead of colors. So if she sees
her favorite color is number 24 or No.
Yeah. No. My favorite color is One to
100. How about brown? What is brown? No.
(51:08):
66. No. Orange? No. My favorite color is
orange, which happens to be 24.
Right. But my favorite number is 28. Which
is what? Which is like a turquoise, which
is not my favorite color. Okay. Now we
know. That's anesthesia. Or some people will see
mathematical
Or
similar. Equations when they are when they're playing
guitar. Somebody will eat it. Right? It's rare.
(51:29):
Two percent of the population has it. I'm
colorblind, so my favorite color is actually black.
Oh, it'd be dark. No. Colorblind?
Completely.
Red green. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Red green.
Oh, wow. It's on the x chromosome. Does
he see a green lawn or a red
lawn? He sees a well, we don't Well,
his name is the lawn.
It's difficult
(51:50):
to negotiate colors
on fabrics,
for instance Right. And pastel
colors. Wow. Gigi just recently diagnosed me with
color blindness, and, wow, that came out of
the purple
instead of the blue? Okay.
Alright. Are you gonna play I don't think
I should have another. That was a good
one.
(52:11):
I have to remember that. You know, polish
it a little bit.
Charles
Schultz recently died as one of the richest
Americans of the twentieth century despite the fact
that he got a start making peanuts.
Okay.
Do you have anything else you'd like to
play with us for about the next eight
minutes or would you like Well, I could
probably, We have some more questions for you.
(52:32):
We'll clear up one. Well, you want to
talk. We've got to hear something. That's your
that's your
we like your song. We like your playing
and your voice and it's so much fun.
This is an iconic person we have in
this. Well, then here's a little,
little
tune. Hold the fox.
The fox went out on a chilling night.
(52:54):
He prayed for the moon to give him
light. He had many a mile to go
that night before he reached the town of
Rome.
So he run till he come to a
(53:15):
great big bin The ducks and the geese
were kept there, Ed He said a couple
of you were gonna grease my chin Before
I leave this town, Rome
Oh, well, a couple of you were gonna
grease my chin before I leave this town,
oh
(53:42):
So we grabbed the gray goose by the
neck and slung the duck across his back,
and he didn't mind the quack quack quack
all the legs all dangling down, oh,
Down,
down, down, no. Well, they didn't mind the
quack quack quack for the legs all dangled
in town, no.
(54:13):
Now the old girl jumped up off the
bed and out the window she popped her
head She said
John, John the goose is gone The fox
is on the town Oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh
(54:35):
So Johnny run up atop the hill And
he blew his arm below the labyrinth's trail
The fox said, I'd better run like hell
They'll all be on my tail
tailbone Well, the fox said I'd better run
like hellbent on beyond my tailbone
(55:08):
So we run till he come to his
cozy den, and there was the little one's
eight nine chance, saying daddy you ought to
go back again
It must be a real fine town, oh,
town, oh,
town, oh well daddy, you ought to go
back again It must be a real fine
town, oh
(55:32):
stripe,
they cut up the goose with a fork
and knife.
They never had such a feast in their
life.
And the little ones cheer on a bone.
So, bones bones,
oh bones, oh well They never had such
a fear in their life The little one's
chewing on their bones, oh
Chewing on their bones, oh Chewing on their
(55:53):
bones, oh
Well, it's
chewing
on
her
bones
Yeah, the fox went out all that chilly
night He prayed for the moon to give
(56:14):
him light He had many a mile to
go that night before he reached the town
Oh, town oh,
town oh It had many a mile to
go that night before he reached
(56:37):
Oh, cute. Now Yes.
Fun is that? A story.
You're a story legend.
Really, you are. You've done a lot of
things. You brought a a joy to a
lot of people.
You are doing your act, what did you
recent like, Saturday, you're doing it Misty Mountain?
Saturday, I'm Misty Mountain here. Yes. From six
to eight. And then Kuntai. And then next
(56:58):
Wednesday, I'm at the Kuntai.
Same time, six to eight. Today. Yeah. There
you go. That's amazing. Where do you see
yourself in two years, Lon? Mhmm.
Well, where do I see myself in two
years?
Underground.
No. No. About that.
Wrong answer. The underground railroad. No. No. No.
I'm gonna keep on going, so I see
(57:18):
myself in terms
of getting back to London every year. Yeah.
So I reckon that's where I'll be. Right
on. As a matter of fact, I asked
my lady, Claire,
to, cast my ashes on Greek Street in
front of the folk club,
Les Cousins,
when I have expired.
So part of your part of your ashes
can be scattered there, but you should scatter
(57:39):
some here in the ocean too. Oh, yeah.
You can throw them where you like really.
Can you take ashes? We found out from
the mortuary people we had on a couple
weeks ago that you in Oregon, it's perfectly
illegal as long as you don't make a
spectacle. It's perfectly illegal. Yeah. You can put
your ashes anywhere. This refrigerator I'd like to
make a spectacle.
I forgot about that. What will your tombstone
say? Have you put any thought into that?
(58:01):
Well, for quite a long time, it was
going to say,
what was it gonna say? He was here,
he tried his best, and then he went
and headed Well, it's already in it's already
in Azadi Park. Oh, yeah. You're on a
rack. You're on a you're on a film.
I'm right there with Elmo. Right. But for
a long time it was going to be,
there was nothing he couldn't do, so he
(58:23):
didn't.
Okay. That's a good one. This is the
such a interesting fellow
and a friend,
to many in our in our community.
You're out
there making your music and singing your songs
on a regular basis. So good for you
that you're keeping up. And
your stories are phenomenal.
(58:44):
So
hats off. We bow low before you a
lot. Yeah. So interesting.
And we only scratched the surface, really. Yeah,
we have. We had you out. Was it
over six? Is it over six months ago?
When did we have a lot on? But
you're always welcome anytime. This is a wonderful
time. All right, I think it's about that
time. Again, Lon,
Goddard, thank you for coming in. Yes, it
(59:04):
is. And playing for us. And telling your
story.
All right, what do you got? It is
our exit time here. You have been listening
to the Doc and Jacques Show on KCOW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
We hope you have enjoyed our show as
much as you have. I mean, we have
learning about Lan Goddard. Yeah. Indeed. Peace and
(59:27):
prosperity to everyone out there. Thanks again, Tom,
Bozak, Glenda,
and all the people that make this syndicated
show possible to be aired up and down
our beautiful coast. Mail us if you are
or you know of a talented, interesting person
that might join us on this very show.
Our new email is docdocandJacques@gmail.com..com.
(59:47):
Hey. Stay tuned for Tony Eaters, so right
after the program. Thanks again. Goodbye.
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