Doc & Jacques: Guardians of the Redwoods – The Redwood Parks Conservancy

In this episode of the Doc & Jacques radio variety show, GiGi Reed, MD, and Jacques Kepner talk with Autumn Subers and Mark Abetz from the Redwood Parks Conservancy (RPC). They discuss the organization’s mission to support and protect northern California’s public lands through partnerships with the National Park Service and California State Parks. The […]

Episode Transcript

(00:09):
Welcome.
Welcome everyone. You have now entered the cosmic
cosmic
radio
receptors
of KCIW one hundred point seven FM in
Brookings, Oregon. Thank you for
tuning into this week's fantastic program. I'm doctor
Gigi, and my cohost is, as always, almost
almost
always, Jacques Kepner. How are you today, Jacques

(00:32):
Key? I'm doing fine. Greetings, everyone, and welcome
to the Doc and Jacques Radio V Ray
Show. Special thanks to sound engineers. Well, let's
see. Who's back there? Tom's back in the
office, and I see Ray Simon is helping
us out. Michael Gorse is here, and, of
course, Linda Bozak and others are out there
listening
to the show and we appreciate all of
you.
Folks, I'm speaking off cuff and off script

(00:53):
a little bit here but today is a
special day and the aspects that I will
be stepping down from the Doc and Jacques
Show for the next three to four weeks
while I return to the University of Missouri
in Cozy Columbia, Missouri to receive my doctorate
in family medicine.
Upon my return,
the name of the show will be proudly
the Doc and Doc Show.

(01:13):
Yes. You might be it might be quite
a shock that Jacques is going
the way of the Kodak camera. That said,
I'll be changing my name to doctor Raider.
K? I like Raider. That sounds good. Right?
As in Oakland Raiders?
Nobody's
responding. Or possibly Roland. I like the name
Tinder
or Tucker because I'm tired of the names
Jacques and Wolf and James,

(01:35):
Jack, Jackson, Jag, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jack, Jojo, and
occasionally, Trollope Tea.
I look forward to being back next month.
Okay. That said, I wanna mention that you
are hearing this live show
on KCIW in Brookings, Oregon.
The same show will be rebroadcast in exactly
one week from now, each and every Wednesday
on KZZH

(01:56):
ninety six point seven FM in Eureka,
Humboldt at 8AM in the morning. Get up
early to hear it. And then a few
hours later at 1PM on my old alma
mater,
KFUG
one hundred and one point one FM in
Crested City, California. So now you know The
doc and Jacques have your coast covered.
Okay.
What

(02:16):
that was I was thinking you would laugh
a little bit more. Really? Well, I was
making the fun joke that next week is
gonna be the doc and doc joke. Yes.
Because So you Yeah. Let's tell them that
because your sister, your identical twin sister Yeah.
She'll be here. She's German born. We're Yeah.
We're both German born. And she's a doctor.
She's a a BYU professor.

(02:37):
She's a at BYU. Very young.
So next time, now you gave the story
that you're gonna be gone. It's not gonna
be the Doc and Chuck. It's gonna be
the Doc and Chuck, but it's gonna be
the Doc and Doc subtitle show. So, Rika
or Eureka
Yeah. Hudrin.
No boy. Will be on the show, two
sisters, twin sisters reunited after a long time.
I can't wait to hear it. I'll be

(02:58):
listening to you from Mid State Missouri during
my graduation. Yeah.
I'll still be tuned into it all and
really looking forward to that. Okay? So listen,
everybody, to meet her sister,
next week. All right. What medical marvels does
my German multilingual
medical doctor, hospice director, three time patent holding
scientist, and university professor have for us today

(03:20):
on this week's health segment of MDGG?
Okay. Well, today, we're usually talking about cholesterol.
Cholesterol.
Yeah. Because it's really interesting.
So cholesterol, if you look at it, it's
kind of a waxy,
slimy substance that plays essential roles, big fat

(03:41):
important roles in the body.
Its primary functions
include Wait. I've had to quit smoking marijuana
recently because my cholesterol was getting way too
high, doctor.
Oh, now I get it way too high.
Okay. She hits it. German. German. She's a
little slow in that, but she's super smart.

(04:02):
Alright. Tell us about the the primary functions.
Okay. So one of them is cell membrane
structure. So all our cells
are surrounded by a so called cell membrane,
and a major part of that is cholesterol.
So it's a key component to the cell
membranes.
If we didn't have cell membranes, we wouldn't
be alive at all. K. Got it.

(04:23):
The other one, we were actually gonna talk
about this more in detail, hormone production. Cholesterol
is a precursor
for
several hormones,
including sex hormones as in testosterone and estrogen.
That's the one that we were gonna talk
about, but I think I think next week
you're gonna know. Next week, We're gonna talk
to that. We're gonna talk about physical therapy.

(04:44):
So Oh. Okay.
But cholesterol, I think, is more is is
more challenging and fun to think about. So
anyway, testosterone, estrogen, and vitamin d. Vitamin d
is actually a steroid related substance.
So men and women
make testosterone
estrogen. Both. Okay. Why does I'm speaking off

(05:05):
the cuff. Why does Off the cup. Off
the cuff.
Why does,
cholesterol have such a bad rap? Everybody's thinking,
oh, it's LDL. Oh, that bad cholesterol.
Well, let me finish my little thingy, and
then we'll talk about why it is such
a baddie right now.
So,
I was still with testosterone
and estrogen. Estrogen is made from testosterone.

(05:30):
Oh. So and and it starts off with,
cholesterol.
Okay. Where
where should you live in New York City
if you have high cholesterol, doctor? Where?
Staten Island.
She laughs. This is always a good sign.
Statin. K. What about this bile acid synthesis
stuff?

(05:51):
Give me a minute. Okay. Alright. So also
important for bile acid synthesis. He's reading my
script.
So the liver uses cholesterol to bruise to
produce bile acids. So now you're saying, well,
what are bile acids? Bile acids are essential
for fat digestion and nutrient
absorption.
So if you think about fat droplets or

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or little fatsicles
are not you cannot dissolve them in water
or in any polar
solvent such as water.
So
bile acids surround
the fatty
thing,
and then, they hold it with their hands
and their feet are polar. So that's how
they
solvent that's how they dissolve the fat into

(06:36):
a watery
solution. That's how our,
soap works,
for example, as well. So that's how sound
sound and tactical?
No. And so then, they take it up
and then, it can be taken up by
the liver. Usually, everything goes to the liver
if it's fat soluble.
There, there it goes. So it's like a

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detergent off the fascicles.
Wow. Speaking of detergent, do you know why
the Greeks hate the Sunrise Doctor? Yes. You
do?
It's because dawn is tough on Greece.
K. It's also important for the transport of
lipids. Alright. So here goes your bat rep

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part of it. Cholesterol is transported in the
bloodstream
in particles called the lipoproteins.
Now
high density lipoprotein
HDL. Also called HDL which is the good
cholesterol
carry the cholesterol back to the liver for
processing.
While the low density
lipoprotein,

(07:38):
the LDL,
the bad cholesterol,
delivers the cholesterol to the cells.
Mhmm. So then we have it in the
cells. Right? Not good. I think I have
a lot of that bad cholesterol because my
cholesterol is really too high. Last night, even
a mosquito landed landed on me and bit
me. And it grabbed its little tiny chest
and it dropped dead.

(07:59):
It just dropped right there, that poor little
guy. I didn't swat him either.
So okay. I do have is also important
for immune function. Alright. So it is involved
in the regulation of certain immune cells, and
it plays a very big role in the
inflammatory regulation or glomerular reaction. Over my head.
So overall, cholesterol is a very important substance

(08:22):
for maintaining
bodily functions and health.
High levels of LDL here, you're what you're
interested in. Right? High levels of LDL cholesterol,
the bad one, can accumulate in the arteries
and increase the risk of cardiovascular
disease. Kind of waterproof. Right? They're just lumps
of glump. Yeah. Pretty much. I mean, it

(08:43):
it there's a little more to it. But
yeah. Do you know when the worst time
to have a heart attack is, doctor? When?
When you're playing charades.
Don't do that. They won't help you.
Alright. Why is LDL helping you getting a
heart attack? Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna have
a heart attack. Because it makes that plaque.
And then over time, the plaques that are

(09:05):
goopy, as you said, but they harden and
there's calcium
deposits involved. And they make those arteries narrower
and narrower,
and that is then called atherosclerosis
that can lead to a heart attack or
stroke. Arthrosclerosis.
Yeah.
Cleriosis.
Atherosclerosis.
How many people come in with bad,

(09:27):
how many people do you see as a
doctor that have bad cholesterol?
I mean, mine was right? I was good.
I was very healthy, but my bad cholesterol
was a little higher than normal.
I don't remember your I should have looked
them up,
but I don't remember. But if that's what
you say. Now we can actually at at
where I work in the clinic, we do
a so called ABI, an ankle brachial index,

(09:49):
where they take the blood pressure of the
ankle, in the ankle, and the blood pressure
of the of the arm, and then do
the ratio. And if it is higher than
1.4,
then it shows hardening of the arteries, which
is atherosclerosis.
And so then you are in a higher
risk for stroke or heart disease. I definitely
But if you have it in the periphery,
there's no reason why you shouldn't have it

(10:11):
further in. Wow. Alright. Well, many claim that
heart attacks are the worst way to go.
But I disagree, doctor. Why? Grizzly bear grizzly
bear attacks are definitely worse.
Okay? She's gonna wanna
she's gonna wanna deal with that grizzly
and go down. Okay. Well, thank you for
kind of eliminating
my mind on

(10:32):
what cholesterol is. I still don't quite get
it, but I think we it's not as
bad as everybody makes it out to be.
Right?
No. But it has very it's very important
too. Yeah. So should I be following all
the labels that say high cholesterol when it's
you know, the little labels So yeah. Oh,
the thing that I didn't say is actually
we make our own cholesterol. Well, I kind
of
alluded to that. We make cholesterol in our

(10:54):
liver. We make it. Right? Because we have
to make the male hormone, the female, blah
blah, all the other stuff.
Only about 20 usually, average wise, 20% of
the cholesterol that is floating around in our
body is by food. 80% is us making
it. So
not everybody actually can lower their cholesterol by
just eating no fat or no cholesterol. Very

(11:17):
interesting. No meat. So I don't really I
look at, I look at sodium on the
labels. I look at
carbohydrates.
Yeah. Right? Mhmm. But cholesterol? Okay. Now we
know a little bit more
about what many patients, right, talk to you
about their cholesterol. Yeah. Alright. In the quiet
muted shadows,
beneath the largest and oldest trees on Earth,

(11:38):
which are the North Coast Redwoods
Mhmm. Soft voices are heard working as collaborator
collaborators
and stewards
of this ancient forest.
The Redwood Parks Conservancy.
Alright. I have trouble saying that word. I'll
I'll just refer to it as RPC
Alright.
Is the vibrant,

(11:59):
fleshed out cast and characters
of voices. And by all accords, it is
an admirable
organization.
The RPC, the Redwood
Parks. Parks.
Conservancy.
Good. Okay.
Is more than just a nonprofit.
It's the heartbeat of protection of these
gentle behemoths.

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Behemoths?
The
cholesterol got me off off track. I got
too high. Giving those remaining old world wonders
a renewed lease on their storied lives.
Guided by a vision to foster understanding and
preserving nature's wonder, RPC's work
stretches from various visitor centers, forest floors, like

(12:42):
the elevated walkways of the Grove Of Titans,
to
the hands that clear trails and restore habitats.
I might add that Doctor. Gigi and I
had some guests from Utah recently, and we
hiked that amazing interpretive trail that leads to
the tightness. It was fabulous. The tightness. Yeah.
In a symbolic partnership
or symbiotic
relationship,

(13:03):
where am I, with mother nature's eldest children,
the parks where they stand and the people
that walk beneath these cathedral high wonders,
they bridge the past and the present in
a most magical sort of gallery. Mhmm. With
the stewardship promised by RPC, these towering sentinels
set within primordial force will endure
for generations yet to come. Ah,

(13:26):
but isn't it nice that we live in
one of the most wonderful,
most beautiful
universe kiss places on Earth. Is it not?
Uh-uh.
These
giant redwoods slope and crash into the blue
clamoring sea below, and I can't get enough
of them. So without too much verbiage,
from me, let's introduce this week's guest who

(13:48):
fit perfectly into Doc and Jacques' radio show
missive of folks who
excel at what they do best. So
Autumn Subers
and Mark Abbots, welcome
to the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety Show.
Welcome.
Thanks for having us. Oh, yeah. We have
a chat. Gigi, can you just with some
questions.
Alright. I'm starting with the lady, Autumn. Yes.

(14:11):
What is your title and position?
So I am the Redwood Parks Conservancy volunteer
and transportation director.
Mouthful. Yes. I had to learn how to
spell volunteer really quickly after I got that.
So Excellent. Okay. And, Mark, you? I am
the Redwood Parks Conservancy

(14:32):
events
and community engagement director. Oh, so we can
thank you for that music festival, the other
month. Both of them. Both of them. Conservancy.
It's so simple when I hear. Yes. Both
of them. Yeah. It was awesome. So, Autumn,
where did you grow up?
I'm originally from Tucson, Arizona. Oh. Oh, the
tallest cactus.

(14:52):
The tallest they're like twenty, thirty feet from
there. They're pretty big. Those the saguaros. The
saguaros. Yeah. Yeah. So moved from there to
the tallest trees. Oh, apparently. How how long
ago?
Well, that is another
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But Okay. Yeah. I'm I
I moved away from Tucson my first time
when I was only 12, but I've traveled

(15:13):
all over The United States. I moved here
about four years ago from the Sacramento Delta
area,
a little town called Rio Vista on the
Sacramento River. Not a lot of people know
about it. And why? How come? What brought
you here?
About eight years ago,
my husband and I came up here on
a vacation. Ah, yeah.

(15:35):
We actually shot for Gold Beach and landed
there, and it was absolutely stunning.
But on our drive down, we came through
bookings, and then we hit up the +1
97 and then the +1 99. And I
immediately was like, there's something different
about where we're at. And my face was
yeah. My face was glued to the car

(15:56):
window as we're passing these walls of ferns,
these amazingly
large
silver barked trees that just
blew my mind. And I immediately, like, Googled
everything
and,
came back the next year to just the
Redwoods. Uh-huh. And then I came back again
and again for eight years Right on. And

(16:17):
just absolutely fell in love with this place.
Well, very nice. Cool. Nice to have you
here. How about you, Mark? Welcome. Where did
you grow up and what brought you here?
Alright.
I grew up in Virginia. Oh. Born in
Washington, DC. I grew up in the DC
suburbs,
in Fairfax, Virginia. And,
the older I got, it seems like the
further west,

(16:38):
that I have moved.
Haven't lived in Virginia in quite a while.
What what brought me here specifically,
I I think Jack did a great job
in his introduction
of, of saying why why we really are
here,
at these lands, those those redwoods, that coast.
And I have been involved, with the parks

(16:58):
in our public land,
almost the entire time since 1997.
So it was it was natural for me,
when I was
offered the opportunity to come here and work
for Redwood Parks Conservancy.
I didn't hesitate.
Did you say you came in 1997?
That was I started working with the with

(17:19):
our public lands. In that case, it was
a national park concessionaire
in 1997. That was actually in Grand Teton
National Park. Wow. So you get around slowly
migrating.
I have lived lived
and or worked in 13
of our national park units. Wow. Is that
kind of the end all for you?
We'll see. Yeah. We'll see.

(17:41):
You know, I've
I ended my career with the National Park
Service last May.
And like I said, this was a natural
transition for me. It was a no brainer
to come here. And,
I had actually been eyeing,
these parks
professionally
for at least the last five years or

(18:02):
so. So I was actually looking for an
opportunity to come here.
Oh, both wanna be here. Very nice. Absolutely.
Like that. So more generally, when was
RPC
founded?
Alright.
So,
in 02/2011,
there was a merging
of, two different organizations, the North Coast Redwoods

(18:22):
Interpretive Association, which was established in 1976,
and also the Redwood Parks Association established in,
1985.
So two of those supporting agencies
came together in 02/2011,
forming Redwood Parks Conservancy.
Cool. Wow. Very cool. That's that's the short
answer. And it's a five zero one c

(18:42):
three. It's been around for a while. Yeah.
Right on. We like five zero one c
three. Do you have a mission statement? We
do.
So, our mission is to
foster
understanding
in enjoyment and stewardship
by providing support to our partner agencies.
And those are the National Park Service,
California State Parks, the Bureau of Land Management,

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and the US Forest Service,
who are entrusted
with the care
of northern coastal public lands.
Wow. So it's encompassing more than just the
roadwood tree. Sure is.
Alright.
And simply put, in Lamanster Yeah. Lamanster
Yeah.
Exactly.
So, really, the,

(19:28):
I I can use the the parks for
an example.
To make a short a short version of
their mission statement, it is to protect and
preserve.
So think about protect great example here. Think
about protecting,
that last 5% of the old growth redwoods.
Perfect example of what these parks,

(19:48):
not just here, you know, around our nation
are here to do.
So what we do is we act in
in partnership. We are their supporting organization. We
actually have a contract with them to act
as their partners.
And that is what we are we we
are proud to do.
So you're partners for that land strip or

(20:08):
overall? Because they're all overlapping
jurisdiction
people. Right? Organizations.
That that's for sure. And that that certainly
does come to play in our work.
But a lot of that, we leave up
to them. Mhmm.
You know, there there there certainly is a
difference between our partners, the organizations.
Yeah. But,

(20:30):
you know, that that that overlapping.
The cool thing is protection doesn't just mean
you put a net over it or you
put it in a box. Nobody can touch
it. So it's the opposite. Right? You make
it accessible and
informative.
Yeah. Which is a Well put, doctor. Yeah.
I think so. Well, leading into that statement,
kind of the way I like to describe

(20:50):
it is Redwood Parks Conservancy finds an avenue
for you, the visitor,
you, the the caretaker, you, the person who
absolutely loves nature,
to support
these parks,
whether that's through stewardship. Right? That's part of
our mission statement. And that's, you know, coming
to help with volunteer opportunities,

(21:11):
donating money to the cause, like the Condor
Restoration Project, right, or to the outdoor schools.
Whether that's through education
or a really fun event where we're inviting
you to come out and just experience these
magical places with us. And that's gonna cause
you, yourself, to just fall in love even
deeper. And, typically, when we love something, what
do we do? We wanna protect it. We

(21:33):
wanna keep it around as long as possible.
So
we're really trying to create those avenues
for you guys to come to the parks,
to experience this place, to give back to
it, to become an advocate,
and to just really,
make this park something that our children's children
will also be able to celebrate and enjoy.

(21:54):
And a lot of people take advantage of
that. Man, when we went with my with
With your visitors from Utah. Yeah.
We saw and and whenever we go, there's
so many people in there. But that was
on the last weekend of summer. That was
the Labor Day. Or was it? There was
Yeah. Labor Day weekend. I think that there
were still a lot of people. Yeah. And

(22:14):
and they are not
loitering. They are there with their maps. They're
looking and taking pictures. And it's just The
trail was amazing. Yeah. Up there. All the
way up there. Amazing. And,
yeah, it's not busy like Yellowstone. It's not
busy like Yosemite at at all. So in
that sense, it was fantastic.
Is this operated,
is the is the,

(22:36):
RPC
operated by a board of directors?
We are. We have a board of directors,
nine strong currently.
There are a few seats left open. So
if anybody is interested in bringing their talents,
you know, and stuff like that, feel free
to reach out to us or look into
it on our website. We would love to.
And you're gonna leave that at towards the
end Yes. All day. Know how to get

(22:57):
ahold of. Yeah. Get your pens and papers.
Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. So how has it changed
overall since the beginning when it first began?
I can speak to that a little bit.
I've only been here for four years. Mhmm.
However, even in that four years, we've had
tremendous
growth in that,
in in the Redwood Parks Conservancy.
I think a lot of it comes with

(23:18):
when COVID happened. A lot of people rediscovered
what
happened to people when you were here. Yeah.
Yeah. For both physical health, mental health. Right?
Yeah. Just needing some space,
and wanting to recreate. But a lot of
these places that we recreate are typically indoors.
These national parks are outdoors. You can you

(23:39):
can walk around with each other. Right?
And, and when that happened,
it created a need in the park, you
know,
whether that's restoration,
trail work,
just all kinds of different things that needed
more support
as the amount of people came.
So yeah. And then what happened this is

(24:01):
off the cuff, but Yeah.
Three years ago, we had the fires. Or
was it two and a half years? It
was about two and a half years. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That was wild too, having that
happen. Crescent City came together so beautifully, by
the way, during all of that. So,
it didn't really overly affect
the national and state parks or the Redwoods.
They were just far enough away.

(24:22):
But it did definitely hit the Smith River
National Recreation Area. Anybody who travels the 199
Corridor definitely fell back. Shut down for Yeah.
We were isolated here for a long time.
Yeah. We really were. Wow. Yeah. Thank you,
Brookings, also for chipping in then and supporting
Crescent City during that time. Are you constantly
acquiring new land? Is it getting bigger? Is
it getting better?

(24:43):
I don't think we're acquiring
more land,
in that regard. Not that I'm aware of.
Yeah. Not that I'm aware of.
Is it getting better? Is it getting bigger?
I think, yes. There are some
great projects that are going on within Redwood
Parks.
There is another agency that we partner with
within the parks. They are called the Save

(25:04):
the Redwood Leagues,
and they have this amazing
project going on in our parks. It's a
parks of restoration
called Redwood Rising.
And it we are going through certain areas
of the parks that were cut down,
or clear cut at one point and then
receded kind of aero aerially.
So when the trees came back, they came

(25:24):
back in way too much. Yeah. Too close
together. Yeah. Too close. The forest floor was
not healthy. There was not sunlight coming in
to open up, you know, the the ground
cover and and supply all that that we're
used to. So Redwood Parks,
is working with Save the Redwood League through
this project called Redwood Rising to go through
these areas and kind of thin back

(25:47):
these
two thick groves,
so that light can hit the forest floor,
so that we can pull out logging roads
that were built hastily
over streams that were extremely important for salmon
Yeah. And different things like that. And salmon
are actually very important to redwoods.
They actually provide a lot of their nutrients.
They're finding out more and more,

(26:08):
which is amazing. Yeah. So a lot of
these roads that came in, these logging roads
covered up these amazing salmon estuaries and these
rivers and these creeks that they need to
be able to get out there.
So they're going through Redwood Rising, and they're
pulling this out. They're thinning back the forest.
They're opening up the space so that, and
this is my favorite little statement that I
like to share with people, we're turning today's

(26:30):
second growth into tomorrow's old growth. We are
trying to bring back restoration
to this park. We are trying to bring
back a higher,
quality forest for people to visit.
You know, he said we were down we're
below the last 5% of old growth right
now. What is old growth? Old growth is
growth that has not been cut down and
has just been allowed to flourish from the

(26:52):
beginning. Okay. So how old are some of
the oldest trees? Do you know any of
these statistics?
So that is a tricky question. Mhmm.
One of the cool things about redwoods and
what makes them really unique
is that
they form,
burls. And this burls has this amazing genetic
makeup of that same tree. Mhmm. And if

(27:13):
a redwood goes through a moment of panic,
like a lightning strike hits it, a fire
is nearby,
something happens to this tree, it will set
off,
a shoot of itself. It'll come along itself
from the burl. Right? Or from the ground,
from one of its roots areas. And so
when it does that,
the main tree, the one that got injured,

(27:34):
could potentially fall or could die off, but
then you have this tree. Yeah. But that
main tree could have already been there for
a thousand years, thousand five hundred years, and
now you have the second, which is a
clone
that is now growing tall that has also
lived there for nine hundred years. Right? So
is it two thousand seven hundred years? Is
it They deal with it. That's why they
live they live so long. Maybe not the

(27:56):
original one, but all the other clones coming
up out of it. It's a single life
tree. Yeah. The way it's referred to is
the same organism. The same organism. Now, you
know, these trees are primarily just found along
the West Coast. Are they just they're usually
Redland Coast. I mean, so many of them
are cut down the Bay Area where I
grew up in San Francisco. They were all
cut down. Well, believe it or not, the
Redwoods did go all the way up into

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Canada at one point and all the way
down to Los like, Los Angeles at one
point. But with the I mean, they've been
around, right, for a very, very long time.
And as temperature changes,
weather pattern changes,
it dictates for these trees to move. And
these trees are actually kind of nomadic. They've
crept their way up the coast

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to put themselves in a situation and in
a place that they're going to be
the best,
that they can be. So they grow,
and they're called the coastal redwood for a
reason. They need the fog. They get about
60% of the like, of their water during
the hot summer months from the fog. So
they grow within about a a 50 mile

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deep band along the coast. Cool.
They don't really go beyond that because the
coastal
weather will not reach that further, and it
won't support them. So any that you do
see that are more inland, they're probably a
little scraggly. They're not looking too good.
But the ones that are closer to the
coast are definitely thriving. As you see, if
you come up to visit our parks Wow.
These trees are magnificent.

(29:17):
Fabulous. Speaking of
coastal redwoods, it is now that mid break
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(29:40):
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(30:03):
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We are talking
with, Autumn and Mark about the Redwood
Parks

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Conservancy.
So simple. When I heard you say conservancy,
and,
they're telling us wonderful things about this incredible
area in which we live and in which
they are honored to work,
and
deal with this unique bio zone, this 50
miles inland. They used to go all up
and down the coast. I know here in

(30:44):
Oregon, there's just that one patch of redwoods
just right near the border on up the
Windchuck River that I've been to. It's nothing
like the big, big ones that you see,
the the Stout Grove or the Titans or
Boy Scout Trail.
But we do live in an incredible,
area. Tell me,
how do these

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you asked about the how do they survive
the fires? I think Yeah. So what would
sometimes you see they're called smokestacks,
like, when they get
hit by a lightning or such, and then
they smoke, they burn for weeks. They have
they just smoke, but then they some of
them survive. Well, yeah. Unlike the Old Smokey
or or something like that. Wasn't there a

(31:25):
tree that was called that? Old Smokey? I
think Old Smokey. It was, like, smoking for
weeks.
I'm gonna have to Google that. Cigars or
cigarettes or cigarettes,
was it? Smoking. Gotta find him. It was
vaping? Yeah.
Old vaping. Old vaping. I mean Old vaper.
So find one twenty twenty six. Old vaping.
Look for the vape. Wow. Yeah. There we
go. But they are known that their bark

(31:46):
is not it's very hard to ignite. Right?
So Yeah. Their bark,
as well as their wood, they have
this stuff inside of them called tannic acid,
and it's what gives them that red color.
It also is what makes them rot resistant.
It also is a makes them very slow
burning. And that's what is in red wine.

(32:06):
Right? Tannic acid? Acid? Tannic acid. Wow. I
didn't think a
genius doctor at different levels. Let's go drink
some redwood tree wine. Yes.
Anyway I don't know. I don't know if
that would be safe. Anyway Yeah. So it
does it definitely slows down the fire. It
gives it a chance to, burn out before
it could really
take over. You'll see a lot of the

(32:26):
trees,
in the redwood forest with some burn scars.
And those Yes. We have seen those. Burn
scars are from over a 100 years ago.
Oh, really? Yeah. And they're huge. They're still
there. They're still there. If you actually go
to some of these parking lots I don't
know. Can I say Walker Road parking lot
is not in is that in your conservancy?
Yeah. Walker Road is definitely within our border.
So if you go in there just by

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the park right next to it or where
the where the bathroom's on, you can step
on there's a big root, but then there
is this big old stump that was people
don't really realize often that that's a stump,
and and you can just step on it.
I thought it was a stage.
A gigantic stage. It is. It is a
I mean, they're huge. If you just

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when we see the big trees, well, yeah,
that's big trees. But when you're actually stepping
on it,
well Yeah. The reality, I guess, really, to
both of you and everyone out there that
96 95 to 96%
of of their roads have been
chopped down for use and then built to
cities like San Francisco and the Bay Area
and LA.
And around the world, what an incredible wood

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it is because it doesn't rot
or has, doesn't have propensity to rot. No.
Is the new growth
as cool in quality as the non rotting
old growth? It is not. It is softer.
That's what we would. Wow. And it's not
as rot resistant. Right? So it doesn't make
it as,
like, as
as wanted Yeah. You know, as the old

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growth. As commercially appealing. That thank you. Certainly
is still appealing to the visitors to the
to the parks. We're still So why are
they wimpier
than the because they had an the average?
Yeah. Than the average redwood old Well, they're
not wimpy when you drive between No. Brookings
and Crescent City. With a size, we're paying
that they are not as fire retardant.

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But, you know, the the all the trees
in the corridor right near the,
Pelican Bay Prison, when you drive down into
Cresta City, that's all second growth. Yeah. Pretty
hefty. There's something They are hefty. They are
quite large. But,
they are softer and less dense due to
the faster growth rates of the new growth
redwoods.
Mhmm.
And that, of course, makes them

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more susceptible to scratching Yeah. Dents and then
damage, which then can go into it and,
make it less desirable So they have a
commercial. Easier living so they can grow faster.
Right? So they were Yeah. Gigi and I
spent a lot of time at the Home
Depot down in in Crescent City. Right? We
get wood. And we
we see the prices of the redwood. Yeah.

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I and it's like five times the amount
of Douglas fir. Yeah. Especially if it's the
heartwood, which is that solid, old growth, like,
more dense wood as opposed to the sapwood,
which is that, you know, the the faster
growing,
wood and timber that comes out.
Yeah. So the old growth is what right.
Those thousands of years is Yeah. Condensing that

(35:17):
tree and making it very, very dense. Right?
So these newer the new growths, they've only
been shooting up in the last hundred years.
Yeah. Sure. So they just have not had
that chance to Now can you fell those
trees? Is it legal to fell those trees?
Not in our parks. Our parks, they are
safe.
There are other areas, you know, around Eric
at Orec. There are other companies around here
that still do fell trees, and they still

(35:39):
do fell redwood trees, but they are definitely
not like the old growth Not the old
one.
Yeah. Up here. Which was crazy. So there's
still it's still prime wood, right, for housing
and other uses?
It is. The the way that the the
newer wood is being used, the common, more
modern uses are, like, outdoor structures, because it
is more natural resistant, right,

(35:59):
for siding and trim, again, for that resistance
that we like,
agriculture details, just because it's really beautiful. Right?
It's stunning.
And then just landscaping,
they use it a lot for mulching and
things like that. Mulching. They do. Like some
of the older stuff or wood that has
already been fallen, you know, things like that.
Do they put shingles still? Yeah. Yeah. With

(36:20):
shake shingles. Right? Shake. Yeah. That's a lot
of that. Alright, Mark. I'll switch over to
you. I'll ask both of you this. But
why does there have to be a Redwood
Parks Conservancy? Oh, wow. Why? I mean Have
to be.
You know,
like I said, I've been I've been around
our our public lands and have worked in
various capacities,

(36:40):
since 1997,
so quite a while now.
And just the the value
of the support that an organization like Redwood
Parks Conservancy
gives to the,
the state and federal
lands, looking at it. You know, it is
Redwood,
Redwood National And and state parks,

(37:01):
that we're supporting here.
You know, we can we can support them
in ways that they that they can't that
they because of the fact that they are
state or federal agencies that can't necessarily support
themselves. You know, we're a philanthropic organization.
They can't raise money for themselves.
We can do that.
You know, that's that

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that's that nonprofit end of it. You know,
our our proceeds go directly back to those
parks. That's something that they can't necessarily,
at least not easily, do for themselves. So
we fill those gaps.
So that's, you know, talking about financially, something
I always like to point out to people
because, you know, everybody,
when we go into these parks and hit
go into the visitor centers, we stop in

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the gift stores.
Those gift stores generally are I can't think
of too many exceptions,
are the supporting organizations like Redwood Park. And
they're great ones like the one that's up
in is it Hyuchi? Yep. That is the
greatest,
little store. It's actually pretty big. They got
the interpretive center there, but that's run by
the state park people. Or is that the
national park?
The rangers that are there? That's a fun

(38:05):
question. So when you're in Redwood National And
State Parks, guess what? You're in Redwood National
and
some sort of state park. Right? They are
co managed.
Okay. They work together. So a lot of
the times you'll go into those visitor centers.
And if you look at the armband, you'll
see a bear, which is the California State
Park symbol, or you'll see a bison on

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the national park's arrowhead.
You're gonna see one of each of them
generally
at each of our volunteer and a visitor
center, excuse me, each of our visitor centers
because we are co managed. Now there is
more nitty gritty. Some buildings are owned by
such and such entity. Some buildings are owned
by such and such entity.
Some are worked by,
you know, the state parks work this area.

(38:47):
The national parks work this area. But what
what Redwood Parks Conservancy does is find a
way for everybody to get what they need,
because they all have their own rules and
regulations,
and we don't. So we're able to maybe
help out to to maybe fund a project
that they're not able to fund, or we're
able to keep a visitor center open when
maybe something else has causing,

(39:09):
like a pause,
from the park partner agencies.
So we're really able to kinda fill in
gaps
for our park partners as well as, you
know, offer,
again, those those pathways into the parks from
you guys, you know, different ways. So one
time, I bought
a a seedling,
a a redwood seedling, and actually we're gonna

(39:30):
take it to Utah, but then it didn't
happen. So I planted it in Crescent City
and it kind of didn't make it.
Is it
I just have to come back because it
was supposed to support, you know, the money
that you paid support,
but it didn't make it. So it really
you can't take it and build it up
anywhere because it needs that fog and

(39:50):
the surround so I don't have to too
feel too bad that it happened. Little red
passed away, you mean? Oh,
no. Little red. Little cute. Well, fun fact
about those little saplings, just so you know,
they do bonsai well. So if you are
somebody from Arizona and you have a five
gallon bucket and you want your own little
redwood, you can buy one of those saplings,
learn how to take care of it, and

(40:11):
bonsai it. So you can have your own
Arizona
even. Yeah. In Arizona. As long as you
have the water bill to cover it.
Okay. Watering air. But yeah. So my little
sapling didn't make it into a Titan. But
tell,
tell us a little bit about the Grove
Of Titans. I think that's the newest addition,
is
it? It's definitely one of the newer, larger
additions of parks. When we walked around and

(40:34):
we saw, all of a sudden there were
signs and treads to walk on. Bronze, plaques,
Mhmm. All of that. And and and and
at the end, there was a ranger
person who you could ask questions and everything.
Tell us, what how did that come to
pass? Who developed that or when was it
developed and why? Sure.
I'm I'm gonna try to give you the

(40:55):
cliff notes for you. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, one thing I think that we
should definitely make sure that we point out
is that the Jedidiah Smith,
State Park is on the land of the
Tolowa Dene peoples.
And they've known about these places, these special
places, and taken care of them, since time
immemorial.
But I will say, the story that we

(41:16):
know goes like this. In 1998,
researchers Steve Sillett and Michael Taylor from Humboldt
State University,
a k a Cal Poly,
decided to go on an exploration trip.
They
eventually stumbled
into the Grove Of Titans from the from
the backside they went through,
on on a search for looking for more

(41:38):
of these large trees. Twenty seven years ago.
That's it. Yeah. That's it. Oh my goodness.
So they made that, you know, rediscovery,
and then they gave these this grove some
some names,
some of the trees that were out there
that were,
a little extra large,
just kind of special compared to the, like,

(41:59):
quote unquote regular. Big red. Yeah. Yeah. These
are a little bit larger.
And so they ended up, naming these trees,
and,
they ended up getting wider recognition.
A book came out called The Wild Trees
written by Richard Preston, and it featured the
grove in that book. Oh, okay. And the
book came out in 02/2007.

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Wow.
Unfortunately,
the Internet
can't you know, is is beautiful in some
ways. But what it ended up doing was,
it fast forwarded
the amount of people
who went out to visit those trees. Okay?
So by 02/2011,
somebody had taken GPS coordinates
and put them online and made a map

(42:41):
to get to these named trees that are
out there in the grove. And so what
ended up happening in those short few years,
over 8,000
miles of,
what we call social trails, not miles, excuse
me, 8,000 feet of what we call social
trails were created. And a social trail is
a trail that is created by individuals walking

(43:02):
off trail repetitively
Yeah. To go see
this thing. Right? Whether it's a tree, whether
it's a waterfall, whether it's you name it.
And any other parks, you're gonna see these
social trails. So, these social trails didn't have
an ending other than to the trees. There
are no bathrooms out there. So individuals would
get out there. They would get lost. Yeah.

(43:22):
They would use the washroom out there and
leave their bits behind. They would leave their
orange peels. They would leave all these things
out there.
And, unfortunately,
it escalated,
to a huge amount
of damage happening out there.
So what the parks ended up doing, was
raising a lot of money through a bunch

(43:43):
of different organizations
and closing down all of Mill Creek Trail.
So the way people were axing this trail
was they would walk the Mill Creek Trail,
then go off the Mill Creek Trail. The
Mill Creek Trail was a is a three
mile
one way trail that's been there. Mhmm. And
they would walk off to access
these, these trees.
So we closed down the park, that particular,

(44:05):
section of the the trail for almost three
years while we
built up I see. A system
so that people could go and see these
trees without accidentally loving them to death. Right?
Because that's ultimately why we're going there. We
love this place. We want to see these
things. We wanna take a memory back with
us. We wanna take a photo of such

(44:26):
amazing things.
But every time one person goes out and
does that, you know, they're thinking, it's just
me. Right? It's just me I'm doing. It's
not that big of a deal.
But I can tell you it's not just
you. That trail sees up to 2,000 people
a day in the busiest months. And if
only 10% of those 2,000 people,
just me, walked off the trail to go

(44:47):
stand on,
you know, a downed log
or the root ball of a tree,
that's 200 people that are now damaging this
thing that they're all coming there to love
and support.
So we understand it's not being done out
of malice. Right? It's mainly being done out
of ignorant, and that's not a bad thing.
It's not a bad word. Being ignorant just
means you don't know something. Right? Right. So

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one of the things that ended up happening
after they built that trail
was they did a walk, with one of
the nonprofit groups, Save the Redwood Leagues,
and invited some of their members to come
enjoy this brand new walk right before the
grand opening.
And the the individual at the time that
hosted the hike was asked by,
one of the participants,

(45:30):
hey. You know, you've got this brand new
trail. The story behind it is that people
were walking off trail. Now we've got this
lifted trail.
But I can still think in my mind's
eye, I can still see people walking off
trail. How are we gonna protect that? How
are we gonna do this?
And that particular individual said, you know what?
We have thought of this. We're gonna come
up with a group of volunteers called the

(45:52):
Titan Ears.
And their main goal is going to be
to protect that grove,
teach people about treading lightly, teach them the
importance of staying on trail. Mhmm.
Enforce some of the the park rules, like
no dogs on trail. Right? There's you know,
it's not that we don't love Fido. It's
that there are critters that live in the

(46:12):
Redwoods that don't live anywhere else, and Fido
can live everywhere. Yeah. And we're scaring those
critters off the trail. Right? So we're there
to educate people
so that they can make better decisions when
they visit the next public lands, their next
favorite park. Right? Maybe they can go home
and prepare,
to to take the next trip with a
better view of what they're gonna be leaving

(46:34):
behind. I'm I'm shocked that this is all
relatively
modern history.
This is you said 2011,
nineteen nineties. This is just the past twenty,
twenty five years this has been going on.
How long has that newest,
greatest, latest,
I mean, the trail was so well maintained.
It was we had, we had to walk
over creeks,

(46:55):
with this beautiful, iron grading. Yeah. No problem.
It was a lot of fun. It blends
well. Some beautiful,
photographic
opportunities along the way. Yeah. I I don't
I just think it's fab fabulous. People come
to California all the time because why they
oh, they wanna come to the surf. But
we noticed all the Europeans are over, they
come here. They wanna see the red. The
trees. Yeah. They could they go down to

(47:17):
LA and see the to surf or whatever.
They come up here. They see the surf
too. But this is the added special thing
of these huge world's largest trees. Yeah. So
good for that. And the Grove Of Titans,
everybody, if you have not walked it, walk
it. It's phenomenal.
It's just up the road a mile and
a half or so from Stout Grove. Yep.
It's open year round? It is. It's open
year round unless,

(47:38):
of course, the parks close it down due
to heavy winds. Yeah. Redwoods are gorgeous in
the rain, but they are terrifying in the
wind. Yeah. So make sure you always check
the website to get your updates. They'll put
down if the road's closed or if the
trails are closed due to a downed tree
or something like that or due to a
wind event. We're trying to make sure our
visitors are safe. Okay. Cool. But other than
that, it is it is open year round.

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What are some of the the biggest challenges?
Mark, you've been around. Mhmm. You you worked
your way across this country. You've been working
with the state and and local and federal
parks. So what are some of the biggest
challenges you face right here? Some are maybe
challenges and then maybe some of the best
successes that you've seen in your time here.
Right. You know, the,

(48:19):
one of the biggest challenges is addressing,
changes.
And right now, things are changing very quickly.
They are changing in our society. They are
changing in our communities.
You know, we talked about the pandemic and,
you know, what that did to the visitation
of our parks and our communities.
Now we're we're looking at,

(48:41):
the two hundred and fiftieth,
anniversary
of our nation,
next year. Oh, I understand. And that is
actually going to be a campaign to bring
people out. Of course, one of the things
that, you know, the America's best ideas as
far as the national parks go, I don't
wanna but,
really, those challenges are are things are changing,

(49:03):
you know, on our community level,
with with our,
with our visitors,
to the parks visiting our partners.
And,
you know, things are always changing on the
parks level, on the national level, on the
state level.
You know, they have more money. They have
less money. They have the same money as
last year. And again, the the value of,

(49:26):
of having these supporting organizations.
So, you know, one of the biggest challenges
is is adjusting to that. And and so
there's always gonna be more people coming in.
Right? Or
are there more bigger, bigger crowds coming in
from all around the world? Every year for
the last four years that I've been working
here, I can Seeing it up again. Say
it's almost doubled.
Yeah. So when we went the other last

(49:46):
year or year before, we went to the
Hiuchi Visitor Center thing, and they had on
the trash can, there was this little yellow
sticker. And I thought,
well, that's really weird. Let's go read it.
And it was from
my tiny
home
area In Germany? In Germany.
It's Dasland? Dasland. I like The land. Spelled

(50:07):
it wrong like Das Land or yeah. So
it was so weird. I mean,
they felt that they had to put a
sticker on on the trash. So even though,
you know, you feel you're you're out in
the nowhere, I grew up out in the
nowhere over on the other side of the
of the In the Black Forest. You grew
up the Black Forest. In the Black Forest.
And
they have been here. I saw the stickers.
So people come Das here. Come everywhere. It's

(50:30):
amazing. We were I was just floored. Yeah.
And I sent home the picture and they
said, yeah. That's from here. It's like, no.
This is really special because we're over here
now. We've got about four or five minutes
left. I wanna touch on something.
You are in charge of volunteer.
You have primarily nonpaid staff volunteers. Do you
solicit,
are you always looking for volunteers to come

(50:51):
in? Yeah. Actually, so one of the ways
that we have been able to support some
of those challenges that we just talked about
is by,
bringing together amazing volunteers, bringing together the community
to come out and support these parks that
they love.
This year, we did several trail brush,
volunteer events where we brought people out on

(51:11):
the trail. We did a little bit of
light education,
and we just shot back the the vegetation
that's overtaking some of these trails so that
way we can continue to use them. Right?
We we help with,
natural resource
preservation
by pulling invasive species.
There are about four of those events every
month.
So you could go to our websites, you

(51:32):
can follow us, and you can see these
different events.
We also host amazing fun events like the
candlelight walk. We'll talk about that here in
a minute. Oh, do you have the candlelight
walk? Yes. It's a very magical event. If
you guys have not come, you should definitely
go. But we need volunteers to help us
set that up for you guys to come
and enjoy.
So we utilize volunteers in a variety of
ways in the parks, and we are always

(51:52):
looking for for Redwood volunteers. And at the
same time, you're always looking like Money donations.
Donate money donations. Let's take Right. KCIW here.
Yeah. We're always, Well, now I wanna know
about the candlelight walk. Yeah. So
that is going to be our next
larger fun event. Fun event. The candlelight walk.
We're gonna have it the first weekend of
November. I believe it's the sixth and the

(52:14):
seventh. Am I correct on Seventh and eighth.
Seventh and eighth. Friday and Saturday. Friday and
Saturday.
What year is this? Our
'36.
'36. Big annual
candlelight walk. Candlelight.
Okay. So there's Yes. By November,
the the horse is is definitely wet enough
again.
Yeah. Prevent any fires from people walking around

(52:35):
with Well, we don't actually use real candle.
Okay. We do light up the floors.
You can. You can bring your own little,
like, handheld little lantern. It won't it won't
turn you away.
But we do light up the forest floor,
so it is a little bit more accessible
for people who might have trouble seeing.
And we do light up some of the
redwoods so you can see them in all

(52:56):
At night? In glory.
So Yes. At night. So it's very twinkly.
It's it feels very, like,
holiday esque. It's just it's a different way
of experiencing the Redwoods. Where is it at?
Where is it gonna be? Is it always
changing every thirty six years or same place?
Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park.
Prairie Creek.

(53:17):
Okay. How do I know that name?
It's part of the park. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
It's one of the state parks within the
Redwood National And State Parks borders.
Okay. I don't know. I just got a
brand new I just got a brand new,
cell phone yesterday, and it it's not shutting.
I've Keys are interrupting. It's shut
off. It's just it's brand new. It doesn't
know when to to stop. Yeah. I'm sorry.

(53:39):
Okay. Well, the candlelight
Redwood Walk, is that what's The Candlelight Walk.
Yeah. Candlelight Walk, November
You're correct. Coming up. And how do people
reach out to you? How does RPC how
can you be contacted?
Sure. You can, you know, look at our
website, redwoodparksconservancy.org.
All of our events will be put up

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on there with descriptions and how to get
there and maps.
You can also look up volunteer opportunities,
on that that page as well.
If you happen to use social media, we
have social medias. We have a Facebook page,
Redwood Parks Conservancy, and we also have an
Instagram page. We do put a lot of
our events and call to action up on
those as well as just partner events that

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are going on. And a website, which is
what? Redwoodparksconservancy.org.
That's so simple. Yep. Right? So Facebook, everybody's
into Facebook.
Website, is there any phone numbers? Anything like
that you wanna pass on or just just
contact you through the website? Just contact us
through the websites.
You could also email myself if you're interested
in volunteering. Autumn, a u t u
self if you're interested in volunteering.
Autumn, a u t u m n, at

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redwood parks dot org.
You can email me with your interest,
and we can see what fits for you
and get you out there. K. Autumn,autumn,@redwoodparks.org.
That's one way. And then we met you
last year at that concert
that was held out at The Point,
out there. Whalers Island. Whalers Island. Yeah. Wasn't

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that fantastic?
You put that event on, right, with all
the bands? Yeah. We did. We put that
on with, the partnership of the harbor. We'll
be doing that again next spring.
We're in the process of planning for 2026.
So we'll we'll let you guys know. Try
to do something. That again. That was a
lot of fun. Mark, where do you see
yourself in a couple years? You looking forward

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to hanging out with the RPC?
I I am looking forward to doing more,
with our with our park partners. Right on.
Absolutely. And and, Redwood Parks and Services gives
me a great opportunity to do what I'm
passionate about. And and that is just that,
to,
to support these parks.
So I I don't, I don't see that
changing any,

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anytime soon for me personally. Right. And,
you know, we talked about some of the
challenges facing us.
Successes
is really finding,
finding new ways,
to address those challenges,
new ways to raise money,
new ways to support the parks.
So, you know, I'm I'm looking forward to

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some of those challenges and,
you know, being able to to do right
by our our our park partners. Right on.
You and her. And Autumn, you're staying?
I I hope to. Yeah. I absolutely love
what I do. When you're working with volunteers,
you're working with some of the most wonderful
people on Earth. They're giving in time. They're
giving in their heart. Right on.
I look forward to just finding more pathways

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to get people involved in the parks and
educating people on
how important this last little piece of
old growth Redwood paradise is. And,
and just getting people impassioned
and emboldened to take moves and steps,
on helping their public lands. Alright.
Autumn Subers and Mark Abbots.

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Listen. Thank you for coming in and Thank
you so much. Illuminating what, RPC or Redwood
Parks Conservancy
Conservancy
is all about. We really appreciate it. And
anytime you hear about,
or have anything events coming up, come on
in and make a recording. We'd be very
happy to put you up on the
up on the radio. Yep. We got one

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more shout out. Yeah.
Our next volunteer event,
is happening up and down the whole coast
of California, but the nearest one that I
that I'm helping to host and put on
is the California
Coastal Cleanup Day,
and it is this Saturday. Oh. And we
are hosting a chapter in in partnership with
the state parks.

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And you can meet us if you'd like
to help us clean up the beach
at 09:30,
AM this Saturday. Where do you meet? We're
gonna meet on Anchorway right across the street
from the House of Jambalaya right there off
of Weller Eye. Michael and Jennifer. Yes. There
we go. Exactly. So you'll see our tent
out there. You can come and just make
sure you're wearing good shoes and ready to
to help us clean up this beach. Let's

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do it. Very cool. Get out there and
support this wonderful organization.
Thank you so much both, Mark and Autumn
for coming in today, spending your time with
us. We are fascinated by what you're doing,
and we support you wholeheartedly. It's right up
that time. Yeah. I know. We got it
wrong. We don't have our fun time with
all
of the causes black belt heart attacks? What?
Carotid arteries. Uh-huh.

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Carotid.
Carotid. Yeah. Okay. Darn it. That was bailed.
Yeah. That wasn't a good Yeah. Final. You
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