Doc & Jacques: Inventor’s Insight and Disaster Prep – A Conversation with Wes Bruning

In this episode of the Doc & Jacques radio variety show, Wes Bruning, a prolific inventor, shares his journey and insights into the creative process. He discusses some of his notable inventions, including the first color inkjet printer, the Floppy Flag, and the Geek-a-Cycle, emphasizing the joy and learning that come from inventing. Bruning highlights […]

Episode Transcript

(00:09):
Welcome everyone.
Far and near, you have now entered again
the cosmic radio receptors of KCOW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
Thank you for tuning into this week's, once
again, multifabulous
program.
I'm doctor DG, and my cohost is, as
always, Jacques Kepner. How are you today, Jacques?

(00:32):
I'm doing fine. Great. Greetings, everyone. A big
shout out to our sound engineers, Ray Simon
and Tom Bozak. Welcome to the Doc and
Jacques Radio Radio Show. I also gotta throw
out a a big greeting and thank you
to Linda Bozak, who is your listener in
the other room. She's always listening. So Linda,
we know you're out there.
Thank you for listening to our show and
giving us nice critiques and reviews. I wanna

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mention that you're hearing this live show on
KCIW in Brookings, Oregon. That said, the same
show will be rebroadcast in exactly one week
from now each and every Wednesday on KZZH
ninety six point seven FM in Eureka, Humboldt
at 8AM in the morning. And then a
few hours later at 1PM on my old
alma mater,
KFUG one hundred and one point one FM
in Crescent City, California. So now you know,

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doctor Gigi and I have your coast covers.
Covered.
Before we introduce our fascinating guest today, doctor
Gigi and I are going to discuss the
liver, and in particular,
cirrhosis of the liver.
Doc, you know who the heavy drinker on
King Arthur's Court was. Right? Who? Cirrhosis
of Liverpool.

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Okay. Okay. What is liver cirrhosis? That one
bomb like a lead balloon.
Alright. What is liver cirrhosis? Practiced that one.
Cirrhosis liver cirrhosis is a condition where healthy
liver is replaced by scar tissue,
Ultimately, impairing liver function. Scar tissue cannot function
as a liver. The scarring occurs

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because of long term liver damage from several
causes. And over time, the cirrhosis can lead
to total liver failure and other serious complications.
What causes
liver cirrhosis
Where? Of the liver?
Causes include
chronic hepatitis,
which means chronic inflammation of the liver, which

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can be caused by the hepatitis
b or c viruses. Are they still
do a lot of people still get hepatitis
b and c?
Well, they don't get it, but a lot
of people have it here. But they don't
get it anymore. They don't get it anymore.
Arnold, that's mine. Okay.
Excessive alcohol consumption.
And certain genetic diseases such as hemochromatosis.

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Hemo
Chromatosis. Yeah. Well, the liver stores too much
iron. Wow. Okay. Is it obvious when someone
has cirrhosis of the liver?
Well, it can be.
There are some signs that someone's liver has
failed because the actual functioning, as said before,
of the liver has been replaced by
scar tissue.

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And the scar tissue just holds the liver
together but cannot do anything else what the
liver usually does. So What do you get?
You can get yellow skin We know that
one. At the same time, dark urine and
tan poop. That all goes together. Why? Because
the liver cannot process the breakdown products from

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hemoglobin.
What is hemoglobin? Our red blood cells that
are full with hemoglobin. Hemoglobin
have you not listened to any of the
shows that we have done? Shoot.
So liver cell red blood cells only live
about ninety days, and they carry around hemoglobin,
which carries around iron which carries around our

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oxygen.
So the hemoglobin
gets broken down and then,
it needs to be recycled to a degree
so we can make more red blood cells.
So hemoglobin
is being broken down amongst others to bilirubin.
Oh, he was a ballplayer next to
back in the day. Bilirubin? I remember him.
The bilirubin

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goes then to the liver,
and so it can be excreted either by
the urine or by fecal matter, bowel movements.
If the liver cannot do the job, the
bilirubin will be peed out,
and it gives the pee a dark color.
Usually, the pee is yellow because usually it
gets pooped out. So now Really? The stool

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has tan color. So dark urine,
tan poop is a sign that the liver
is not quite there. Alright. Okay. I'm not
gonna make any potty jokes even though I
am tempted
other than I recently renamed my toilet gym
instead of John because now I tell people
I'm going to the gym.
On a serious note, I remember seeing a
friend of mine who had cirrhosis of the

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liver and he also had a huge distended
belly. What was that all about, doc? Your
friend
probably
had ascites,
which means it has a bloating bell bloated
belly
because the liver also makes a protein called
albumin also. I knew Al too. Alright. K.
And It's gonna stay. Belly and Al. So

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albumin is made and then it stays in
the bloodstream. The albumin's function is to keep
the water part of the blood
interested in staying
inside of the blood vessels.
Okay. So otherwise,
the water will go outside of the blood
vessels and it can accumulate in your abdomen
and then you have something called That's where

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yellow bellied
coward. When people call you yellow bellied cowards
from people that had cirrhosis and cystitis
or the bloating of the belly. Yeah. So
does that make sense? The albumin attracting the
water. If you have a little sugar cube
and you put a little water drop next
to it, the sugar goes
and
and gets the the water into the sugar.
That's what the albumin does with

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the blood vessels. It's in there, and so
the water part of the blood vessel doesn't
leave the vessels. So there. Sort of sort
of get it. Okay.
If there is little or no albumin,
what is it? Albumin? Albumin, you can look
pregnant. Right? Right? The pregnancy. Your
your ascites is so big. Well, believe it
or not, I just recently took a pregnancy
test

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and it confirmed my worst fears.
I'm just
fat. Darn it.
No, but seriously, did you know that your
chances of getting pregnant are hereditary? Because chances
are that if your parents didn't get pregnant,
you won't eat. Oh my gosh. You won't.
You won't get pregnant. If your parents ever
got pregnant, you won't. Alright. What are some
other liver cirrhosis symptoms, Doug?

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Brain fog would be one. I don't have
that ever. Which is called
hepatic
encephalopathy.
So, like, sickness of the brain because caused
by the liver.
So those people can appear quite loopy with
the liver cirrhosis
because the liver cannot
change the toxic ammonium

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into ammonia. That's another thing that the liver
does. So now
the ammonium goes into the brain and makes
one lupi. And the ammonia come the ammonium
comes from
proteins. Everybody understands that. Please raise your hands.
Okay.
Okay. So what can be done for that
before you ask? Yeah.
They can drink a lot of lactulose, which

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gives them diarrhea, but the lactulose actually binds
the ammonia so that it doesn't go into
their brain. And so So then it can
be flipped out. Yeah. Back to potty humor.
Anything else, Dasher?
Yes. You can have a lot of bruising.
The liver also makes chemicals that are needed
for blood clotting. Yeah. I do those easily.
I do. But I think your liver function

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is okay. Yeah. So if those,
clotting factors they're called not, if they're not
made, then it takes much longer to clot.
And also tiny little blood vessels that might
get injured by just being alive,
will give you tiny little, they're called petechiae,
little bruises on your arms, teeny tiny ones

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or big ones. K. Alright. And what's the
most current update on liver transplants?
Back in the day, I remember they were
few and far between. Yeah. And, are they
becoming more common?
Well, listen to this. According to the American
Liver Foundation Yeah. I know
about the LF.
Subscribe to there.
There were about almost nine thousand liver transplant

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surgeries
in The US every year. Oh, sure. Yeah.
So somebody a doctor or somebody else may
recommend a liver transplant for a person with
end stage liver disease. The liver doesn't work
anymore.
A person with this condition might die without
a transplant. However,
there is only a limited

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number of
donor
livers because you can
take part of a live liver and put
it to another to a person who needs
a liver transplant, and then it will regroup.
The the big thing is, for example, if
the liver cirrhosis comes from alcoholic, from alcohol
consumptions

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consumption. Those people must stop drinking for at
least six months before they considered. Yeah. Wow.
Okay. And I'll put you on so everybody
get out there and donate your organs. It's
not that hard. It takes guts to be
an organ donor.
Well, if you have bad kidneys, there is
the life saving kidney dialysis machine Yeah. That
keeps people alive. Is there something for the

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liver?
Well, there is a therapeutic device called a
liver support system. An LSS.
Right.
Or die
diacusis
that can assist in performing the functions of
the liver. And we just learned there are
gazillion. Right? So it is only used for
acute care, like emergency care,

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and not like the dialysis machines that are
used chronic. For long term. Okay. Very interesting,
doc. Any final thoughts on today's subject of
chatting shares?
Liver cirrhosis is a progressive disease
and often
irreversible
depending on how much liver you have cirrhosed
or scarred. Early diagnosis and treatment of the

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underlying cause of liver damage are crucial to
slow down or prevent the progression of the
cirrhosis.
So one can do lifestyle changes
as in not drinking alcohol
Yeah.
Managing other health conditions,
and
being healthy, exercising, drinking a lot of water,

(10:25):
eating good food. Right on. Right on. Well,
for me And not do mini needle drug
or none other things. But for me, this
is kind of a wake up call. Yep.
Ever since you told me just watch my
drinking, doctor. Doctor. Yeah. I now drink in
front of a mirror.
Okay. Thank you, doctor Gigi. I appreciate
appreciate the the information about cirrhosis and liver

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function.
Okay. It's that time that we turn our
attention to our guests for quite a while.
We've been hearing the name Wes Bruning.
And The answer? Wes Bruning, mainly by our
friend and sound engineer, Ray Simon. I forgot
to get their pronounce. It cost me a
lot of money.
But other friends and associates kept mentioning Wes

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as a very interesting man who amongst many
talents is an inventor.
Wes and his charming wife, Judy, live amongst
us in our coastal region.
And after meeting him recently, we knew he
would make a great guest on the show,
where we love conversing with bright people that
excel at what they do best. That said,
let me take a moment to consider the
world around us. The radio waves bringing us

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together bringing us together today were first harnessed
by Guillermo
Marconi in nineteen o one when the first
transmissions of the telegraph spanned the Atlantic Ocean,
providing that the invisible forces could connect and
unite the world. Mhmm. And since then, look
how much we have how far we've come.
Look how many comforts and necessities

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have come to us through invention.
Every human comfort, every marvel of our modern
age began as a spark in somebody's mind.
Right? That's right. A moment when an inventor
saw not what was, but what could be.
Mhmm. And the art of invention isn't just
about solving a problem. It's
well, it's about seeing problems
that others might not even know exist. Well

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put. Look at how we take our cellular
phones for granted and GPS.
And before that, the computer, telephone, light bulbs,
TV, car, rail, and air travel. The list
goes on and on and on. And it's
not
just the courage to tinker Mhmm. But often
to fail and then try again and to
believe that the impossible is simply the untried.

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Today, we're honored to speak with Wes Bruning,
an inventor who understands that behind every breakthrough
lies not just inspiration,
but perspiration,
curiosity, and an unwavering faith in human integrity.
And so without any more verbiage for me,
doctor Gigi and I wish to welcome Wes
to the Doc and Jacques radio show. Welcome.

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Well, thank you very much, folks. It's wonderful
to be here this afternoon. Right on. Right
on. And you spell your name b r
u n I n g? That's correct. Bruning?
Mhmm. There we go. I got it right.
Cool. Got it right? Okay. The German name,
right? Yeah. German name. Alright. So doc my
grandfather is from, Kiev. Kiel. Excuse me. Kiel.
Kiev, Northern Germany. Northern Germany. Yes. Very cool.
Do they have strong accents? And no. They

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have In Turbine. Super strong accents. Well, Wes
doesn't have one now. But
okay. You lean into the question, Wes. Let's
start from the beginning, Wes. Where were you
born and raised?
I was born in San Diego. Mhmm. And
then, my dad was in the navy, so
we ended up for most of my life
in Virginia Beach, Virginia where he was in
the navy in Norfolk, Virginia.

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So that's where I went to high school
in the first year of college in Okay.
Virginia Beach. So what brought you here?
Well, I, went to San Diego State University,
graduated as an engineer, mechanical engineer. Yeah. And
then,
after the army,
I was in San Diego, and
we moved up here to to Oregon about

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1977.
Like to the Portland area. Right? No. Oregon
City, actually. Oregon City. Cool. So a lot
how long have you lived here in the
Brookings area? Just a little over three years
now. Wow. Nice. So you're you're Ray Simon's,
neighbor? I am. Right next door. Is that
a liability?
Oh, you'd you'd be shocked at the stories.
Shocked. You know Donna is totally cool. Donna
and Judith are good friends. Well, Donna's cool.

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Yeah. Ray guy. Oh, yeah. Mean, he's got
his button on the the he's got his
finger on the button all the time in
there.
Good So what did you do in your
career during what? You were a mechanical engineer
or still are? What did you actually do?
Well, I went to work for Tektronix
and a variety of, jobs there, but I
ended up working on, inkjets, inkjet printers. Woah.

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And we developed the first color inkjet printer.
Dang. That's nice.
Was that your input or were you just
in the periphery? No. I was I was
part of the design group. Oh, very I
actually have a patent on inkjets. K. Wow.
And when was that? That was, boy. When
was that? Probably '19 late nineteen eighties.
How cool. Now if you have to this

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is off cuff. If you had to recommend
a good,
printer for someone,
we're looking we're in the market for a
printer. What would you was it would it
be a Brother or I don't know. It's
it's okay to talk about. This is off
the cuff. But like I said, do you
have any preference on No. They're all excellent.
They're all excellent. Yeah. And compared to what
we produced way back then, they are incredibly
excellent. Yes. Because we had, we produced color

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and we had cyan, magenta, yellow, red, blue,
and green. That was what we had. And
we thought it was gorgeous. And why is
Prank Printer Jet Inc so expensive?
It's more expensive than blood, actually. Unbelievable.
I mean, you get these little tiny little
spots. Well, we'll talk about that later. Okay.
So are you,
considered also an inventor?

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Well,
that's what I did in my off hours.
Yeah. I tinkered and and built stuff. I
I used to ask my question, what the
world need is a, you know, such and
such. And I would build it just sometimes
just for me. I was the world at
the time, And I'd use it myself. Some
of them made it to market. Most of
them didn't. Various stages of design that end

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or continue on. Oh, okay. So most of
them made it, but most of them just
ended up in my garage. We met just
not too
long ago where we have sat down and
we talked about somebody here. So you gave
me a litany, a long list of actually
so many things that you have been involved
in. I'm holding the paper. There must be
30 or forty, fifty things that you have
done. It gives us, you should be very

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proud of that. But give us a short
list of some of the things that you
have invented. Well, some of my favorites,
one was the,
well, the art of invention, which we'll talk
about shortly. Okay. But, also,
alliteration, a little booklet, alliteration, t is for
tycoon.
K. Can people find this booklet? No. No.
No. Never made it to publication. Okay. I

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gave out copies of it to friends, but
that's about the problem. You have digital.
You showed me pictures of it. I did.
Yeah. It's for Tycoon. It's the ABCs for
the future MBA. Yes. Wow. Yeah. We saw
how to pick the book. Alright. What else?
Come on. We have,
let's see. We have
so many things. Well, one of the early
ones, which really actually made it to production,

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but I couldn't believe it, was called the
floppy flag. Remember when we had floppy disks?
Those little three and a half orders, right?
Yeah. Stick them in your computer. Right. And
then you'd read your files off them and
then you'd leave and you'd forget the the
disk goes in the computer and leave it
and lose it. Right. Well, this was a
device that attached to that,
lucky. So it hung out the front of
the computer so you couldn't walk off and
forget. A little blinking light on her or

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something? You put your What about the geek
on it? The Ginkas Cycle. The Gika cycle.
Well, that was an issue. My mother would
harangue me for spending so much time at
a computer. I wasn't getting exercise.
So I said, okay, mom. I'll get exercise.
So what I did was I built a
desk,
which had a, stationary bicycle.
Built into it. It built into it. So
you could sit there and pedal your stationary
bicycle.

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Why? You run the bicycle while you worked
on your computer. Oh. Yeah. So they're doing
that. You can buy those in in physical
therapy or so. You can buy them. You
can also have them for your arms, so
you exercise your arms. Mhmm. But you were
the first one. Yes. I actually sold a
couple dozen of them. I went down to
Walmart and bought 24 stationary bicycles. Oh. So
I had to sell at least 24

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Oh. Which is what I did.
Oh, what a trip. Okay. Now were you
always inventing things as a child?
Yes. I was. I had a as a
child, I had
Lincoln logs,
Tinker Toys, and an erector set. Wow. And
I use that,
daily, all three of them. As an appraiser
of of art and antiquities and things like

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that, the Lincoln Logs are quite popular, quite
valuable these days. If you have the original
10 If I only had, those today, yes.
What
do you consider? What's your first invention?
My first one was a,
a bicycle rack attached to a van.
K. It attached it to the back of
the van. You stick your bicycle on it
and haul it off. And that was before
they were really available. That was back in

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1970
early seventies.
And,
I'd use it to haul my bicycle around
to go to college and and go home,
and that sort of thing. And you showed
us the thing, which you won't talk too
much, but about the out of sight hidden
recipe card holder, which was phenomenal. You just
have to see it. It's too bad. You
don't,
we don't have the visual, but it was
just a way you can attach your recipe

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card holder to your counter
and then always have it there. But you
have the door, right? Yeah. And then but
hide it when people came down. You didn't
want them. No. Very, very interesting. Is that
a chicken watering system? Just Yeah. A chicken
watering system where you had, the tanks outside
the outside the coop area and you
could fill up the tanks very easily. And
then that would drain by tubes into the

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coop and into a,
a cup, which would then self fill as
the chickens drank it. Yeah. Right. A bigger
tube, a bigger container outside so you don't
have to step into their Don't have to
go to the Yeah. That's right. Have you
spent much time and money getting your ideas
to the market, the ones that made it
to the market?
Not that much. No.
A lot of letters, a lot of talking

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to companies to carry it and that sort
of thing. As a matter of fact, you
mentioned the recipe cardholder. You're right. The secret,
out of sight. Out of sight recipe card
holder. That's right. Out of sight card holder.
Bob Bob Moore of Moore's Bob's Red Mill
is a friend Yes. Was a friend of
mine. Rom. And he actually carried it in
his retail store up in, Milwaukee.
Right. Oh. For a number of years. They

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don't anymore, but they did for a while.
They had it in stock. And you've invested,
what, how much? Thousands of dollars to the
store? Thousands. Oh. It was a mistake. It
was a real accident to to design that
thing. It had the original purpose would had
nothing to do with holding recipe cards,
but I had to that fell apart and
I had to redirect
what I had. And I had a $20,000
mold
that I had made in Taiwan. Wow. So

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I what am I gonna do with this
thing? So I had to do some serious
thinking about how I could redirect the usage
of this device. You know, you can use
the three d printer. Right? Well, you you
add one. Those are amazing things. Yes. Yeah.
Right. Wow. Now, overall, has it been worth
it? All these inventions. Well, what they say
is with if you don't make profits, what
you get is knowledge and education.
So I got a ton of education.

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So it's been a lot of fun. I
did a lot of this stuff just for
my own benefit, my own fun, which I
really enjoy. And some of I got some
hanging on the walls at home, and I
got stuff around the house I actually use,
but they never saw the light of the
day as, commercial product. Do you still invent
now in this?
Yeah. I still do. I I not not
as much as I used to, but I
still make stuff and use it around the

(21:23):
house. Now when you do invent these new
items, like she said, or are you just
making improvements
on other things that No. These are things
that don't exist. What the world needed is
a you know, and I'd come up with
something. See, that's just amazing. I don't have
that mind
because
if I don't have it, I probably don't
need it or don't even think about it
usually. So that is amazing. It's you have

(21:43):
that inventor mind like Jacques Kia has the
art mind. It's like, how do do you
come up with those art things? So Ideas.
Well, when you think about it,
I I always look at things and I
say, how long has it been since this
has been refashioned?
Toothpaste,
dispenser, for instance, toothpaste tube or, you know,
I don't know, a potato peeler or whatever
I I'm using. I always say, how come

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they haven't come up with a better one?
That thing that potato peeler is the same
potato peeler Mhmm. You that they were using
at the turn of the century and and
back in the nineteen hundreds and eighteen hundreds.
It just sometimes seems like if you could
come up with a better mouse trap. Right?
Well, there's a lot of very inventive people
out there that are constantly coming up with
things that just amaze me. Yeah. So it's
very nice to see. So there's new new

(22:24):
implementation of old ideas. Right on. And that
that brings us to your fascination with inventors
and the inventing process. Because you not only
are an inventor,
you really know what is going on with
other
famous and not so famous inventing,
people,
inventors and their processes.
Tell us about your Art of Invention series

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that you have created.
Well, I, when I was working as an
engineer in Tektronix, I got a patent.
It was on inkjet.
And,
had a really nice
line drawing on the patent itself.
And I acquired a book later about famous
patents.
And all of them were associated with this
line drawing, which is absolutely gorgeous. These guys
that draw these line, these drawings for patents

(23:09):
are true artists. They're all just pen and
ink, and they're just black and white. Oh,
you mean the actual patent certificate?
Pictures. Yeah. I just picture on it. Yeah.
Uh-huh. And I said, the world needs, you
know, needs to know about this. So I
developed this, the art of invention. So the
art of the invention is the picture on
the patent. Oh. Right? And then and so
we take those and and frame those in
16 by 20 and with a description of

(23:31):
the patent and some backstory to it and,
hanging on the wall. Yeah. We saw them.
The Mosul line that they have at home
right now. Yeah. Those They're amazing. Detailed pictures,
drawings.
It's like the people that are are designing
the dollar bill. I mean, those kind of
those those kind of artists that could do
that. With the dimensions and numbers and Or
a's and b's and centimeters. Yeah. And all

(23:51):
the lines connecting this and that. Yeah. And
some of them are fascinating. Kinda tell us
some of your favorite invention or inventor,
stories. Well, let me start with the first
one, which is the most bizarre. Okay. Let's
talk about the bizarre one. Hat and I
have ever seen in my life. I just
ran across it recently.
Spoiler alert, this is terrible.
Alright. Warning. Warning. Warning. Warning. No swear words,

(24:13):
but let's hear it. It's to facilitate
birth,
giving birth. Oh, well, that's not so bad.
Is it is it some sort of that
clamp or what is it? What are the
It's worse.
What you do is you take a large
round table, very large round table, and you,
pregnant woman, you strap her down on the
table with her head in the center. Okay.
And then you spin the table.

(24:34):
Oh my And the centrifugal force then helps
the baby
travel down the birth canal, and you catch
it in a net. This thing was actually
patented in 1965.
You think it comes out of the middle
ages, you know, a torture device. Yeah. Was
it so the drawing of that shows them
Oh, yeah. I'm at the waist strap down.
Stable. Yes. It does. Oh. So now if
you do patents, you have to show some

(24:55):
success. So that was tried and
be deemed I mean, 1960. Have that success?
I don't know. Well, for some strange reason,
which I don't understand, I really never made
it in a commercial success.
And it was, what, fairly recent? Back in
'80 '65. Nineteen sixties. Modern history. I know.
Right? Oh my and how long does a
patent last? Do you know? About twenty years.

(25:16):
So we can Twenty years. We can't reinvent
it. I'm like It's called this centrifugal drop.
You drop them while you're spinning. Absolutely. You've
gotta fling them out. Oh. Oh my goodness.
That is very, very bizarre. Okay. Give us
give us some other goodies. Okay. Some some
better ones. You mentioned earlier about,
GPS and cell phones. Yes. Okay. There's some
technology in both GPS and cell phones that

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was invented by Hedy Lamarr. The movie star?
I'm sure.
Or Austrian or Yes. That's right. Hedy Lamarr
was German. Back in 1942.
Yeah.
Mhmm. And she she developed,
frequency hopping,
which is used in those technologies. And it
was actually used to as part of the
guidance system Wow. Of the Mark four torpedo
during World War two. Oh, because they they

(25:59):
could find they could they would set off
a frequency. Right? The ships, they as a
torpedo is heading its way, they could set
off. Well, frequency hopping helps frequency hopping helps
to avoid jamming,
where the enemy would jam a certain frequency
where you hop away from that frequency and
broadcast on another frequency.
So but this is something we kinda use
in GPS today. Right? I mean, we're Yeah.

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That's what yeah. And Hedy Lamarr was ahead
of the game. This is truly her. Wow.
I always heard she was a smart beauty.
That is She she was very smart. Yeah.
She used to say she had she,
she said, all a all a girl has
to do to look glamorous is to stand
there and look stupid.
That's what that was she saying. So she
was not in that category. Right. She was
not in that category. I've always admired Hedy

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Lamarr. Now when you look at those patents,
you have to actually
understand them. Right? I mean, or at least
you need to try to understand what they're
all about. Right? Well, it's not that difficult
generally. Now some of them are very complicated.
Yeah. But generally, like for instance, Abraham Lincoln
had a patent. Tell us about that. No.
You we were we were talking about this
before the show. It's amazing. Our sixteenth president.

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He's the only president that's ever had a
patent. Mhmm. But when he was a young
man, as a lawyer, he would travel around
in the Midwest a lot on the rivers.
Right. Missouri and Mississippi. Yeah. You're right. Mississippi
River. And on the river boats. And a
river boat laden with cargo
would ride low in the water and it
would get hung up on a sandbar.
And there's traditional method of freeing

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a river boat from the sandbar is to
unload it. So you'd have to go through
all that effort. For as long as that
would take a day or two days maybe.
And then the boat would float up a
little bit or maybe the current would change
or something and the boat would float off
the sandbar. Wow. Well, Abraham Lincoln saw that
and he said, I got a what the
world needs is a
pair of bellows,
one on each side of the boat, that

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you could then pump
up into the water and lift the hull.
Kinda like a pontoon? Like a pontoon. On
either side of the barge. How interesting. Was
it successful to you? No. It never hit
the commercial
market. No. He actually, he made a scale
model of it, which is in the Smithsonian
Institute today. Oh, dang. That idea didn't float.
Did it

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yes. It did, as a matter of fact.
And that was back in 1949.
This is cool. Give us one more. We
got we got We've got another minute. Tell
us another Another minute. Okay. Well, Houdini. Oh,
yeah. Houdini
has a patent. Yes. He does. Now, you
know, he was an escape artist. Yeah. Right.
So,
what

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he he recognized with hard hat divers would
go down into the ocean to, say, free
a sunken ship or something like that. And
there there are, hoses that came down to
the helmet to supply air. So the diving
bell, that big brass thing they were That
sat on their head. Yes. And that the
hoses would get tangled up in a in
a wreck, and they couldn't get loose.
And the divers would drown. They would stay

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nobody gave them out. So, what Houdini do
is he divided it devised a two piece
suit with a hard helmet. It had a
hard helmet on top and in the, like,
the shirt part and then a pair of
pants. And they were they could be disconnected
really quick. Right at like a belt where
your belt line would go. Like a belt.
Just flip it open. The pants would drop
down. And then you did free yourself? Just
free yourself out and just swim to the

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surface. And not get the bends going up.
Right? No. It could That's right. That would
be a Oh. That'd be an issue. Oh.
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burning and talk about,
okay, so Houdini comes up with this quick
escape,

(30:55):
life saving thing, and I He's right. We
saw the pictures of it. Yeah. Did that
make it? Hilarious pictures. Yeah. Yeah. So they
are his pictures or whoever made them. Well,
that's the art of invention. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Those beautiful line drawings. Yeah. Very cool. Now
did that make it into No. Oh, also
not. No. It never went commercial.
Wow. I don't know why, but it was
a good idea. But it just wasn't adopted.

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Now you can look up patents
on the Internet. Yes, you can. And so
I've Go to the US Patent Office Yeah.
On the Internet. Tens of thousands of Oh,
millions. Millions. Millions. Millions. Because they're Duh. Public
That's me. Yeah. Public, public,
knowledge. And it's pretty amazing. So I have
looked at some for giggles, and
I did not think they were that easy

(31:38):
to understand.
So you're just a If you're a doctor
that writes weird.
Now
we have also noticed that many inventors end
up battling
their money away in court defending their invented
inventions,
and then they die broke or without
pain. So many tragic stories. Absolutely true.

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One of the, there's two classic examples of
that. One would be
Charles Goodyear
who invented
vulcanization of rubber. Mhmm.
And he
had a passion about trying
at the time, this is back in eighteen
hundreds, you'd get rubber from a rubber tree.
Okay. And it was a sticky stuff. Right.
And it really wasn't good for much. He

(32:21):
tried making rain slickers out of it or
a boots or something, and in warm weather,
it would stick together and melt. And it
really wasn't very functional. So he worked on
trying to, come up with a way to
make rubber,
less sticky
and still have its, you know, its durability
and it's he could, bend it and that
sort of thing. So he worked for ten
years
trying to figure out how to do this.

(32:42):
Just have was obsessed with it. His family
was in destitute poverty. He lost several children.
He went to debtors prison.
I mean, it was just horrible for ten
years. And finally, one day, he he, mixed
some sulfur with rubber. That was he tried
everything, big flour with it, you know, bread
crumbs, whatever, to put with this, with this
rubber to try to, make it into something

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useful. Sulfur.
Powdered sulfur.
Wow. And he accidentally dropped it on a
hot stove.
Yeah.
And guess what happened? It vulcanized.
It it became it become
non sticky and still pliable.
And he invented Vulcan, vulcanizing rubber right there.
It was an accident.
And, but he did die in poverty.

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He never made a nickel out of his,
as mentioned, there was a, another fellow in
England who actually also had it. And he
had a patent, Goodyear had a patent and
another phone in England also had a patent
and pretty much took over the market
And, Goodyear then died and went to court,
tried to get his,
suppress his patent so his could prevail and
he died in poverty.
Wow. How much longer did he live after

(33:47):
him? Not a whole lot. Not a whole
lot. Yeah. We always hear about, Nikola,
Nikola, Nikola,
Tesla. Tesla. Tesla. All those people that have
just famous,
great ideas, and they died destitute because
they are battling Mhmm. People that steal What
is the other example? Another one's Eli Whitney,
the cotton gin.
Eli Whitney was
from Massachusetts.

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And one summer, he was down in the
South. This is in the eighteen early 1800s.
He was down in the South. And of
course, the South, their main crop was cotton.
And he observed the slaves, tons of slaves
taking care of the cotton fields.
And he observed the slaves picking the cotton
seeds out of the cotton. It was very
difficult to do. And you had to get
the seeds out in order to make thread

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to weave it. So it was very laborious.
So he started thinking about that and he
came up with the cotton gin,
which is just a spinning
drum with little needles in it that would
comb the cotton and comb the seeds out.
And, of course cotton was a huge crop
of the South.
And, when somebody saw that it just, and
he had a, and he had a patent

(34:52):
on it. So everybody in the South started
making their own cotton jeans and selling them.
And he went to court and it battled
court, patent infringement and died in poverty. Wow.
I wanna put a patent on that on
a new name. If there's not already out
there, there should be a gin called cotton
gin.
Famous strain of gin drinking. Right. Cotton Gin.
There we go. I'm sure somebody's come up

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with that. If you haven't, I've got the
After one of the cotton gin. Mouth. You
don't have the palate. You have the idea.
Got a mouth. Wasted.
It's so
Now one one more story about the Cotton
Gin, if I may. Alright. It was a
contributor to the beginnings of the civil war.
Okay. As was the plow.
John Deere Wow. John Deere didn't invent a
plow, but he improved it. Uh-huh.

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The the pioneers of the Great Plains area
had to deal with Assad out in the
Great Plains.
And the current plows that they had just
couldn't cut it. So to speak, cut, cut
up the saw
that the jam and get, all wadded up.
And the farmer would have to stop every
few minutes and, you know, unclog his plow.
Well, John Deere came up with a way
to come up with shiny polished steel to

(35:57):
make a plow. And that cut through the
sod
in the plains,
so they could be formed. Oh, it wasn't
wood before. Right? It was wood before. Exactly.
And and cast iron. Interesting. Wow. Well, so
what we saw then was as a result
of that, we saw expansion to the West.
And then in the South, we had Eli
Whitney with his cotton gin. And the South
down there was,

(36:17):
cotton was expanding. Now that they could comb
the cotton seeds out very easily, this
cotton, cultivation of cotton was spreading west as
well in
Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, all that through there. So
the big deal was then, these new territories
are gonna become states. Are they gonna become
free or slave?
Which isn't? Because the plow allowed

(36:38):
new statehood
going to towards toward the West and the
northern area. Yeah. And the cotton gin allowed
new states going west in the southern area.
So there was a big deal of whether
they're gonna be nor free or slave states.
So the cotton gin and the plow both
contributed to westward expansion, which then led to
the conflict, a growing conflict that the civil

(36:58):
war. Very, very interesting.
History lesson too. Very cool. Indeed.
Now is the patent application
for the inventions
very difficult
and time consuming? I mean It's very expensive
and time consuming.
Very expensive and Very expensive. We have patent
IP, intellectual
property lawyers.
They get somewhere between 150 and $800 an

(37:20):
hour. Dang. Depending on the complexity. Wait a
minute. Well And it takes years to get
a patent. Do you know that's interesting. You
brought that up. But do you know why
patent lawyers are buried 12 feet under? Why
might that be? Because down deep, they're really
good people.
Okay. Back to what you're saying. I did
so these these attorneys that are patent attorneys,
which always fascinated me Mhmm. And I was

(37:40):
going before I flunked out of law school,
and that is
how interesting
so those people are paid
very well. Big piece of AI. I wonder
what I was just gonna say. AI will
make all of it probably
much cheaper because people can look it up
AI can look it up. So it's expensive.
It takes how long if you have a

(38:01):
unique idea and you wanted to come up
with it, you're gonna have to go to
get one of these Well, a simple patent
would probably take several years. That's a simple
one. What has to happen is yet the
the patent office, they have thousands and thousands
of patents that they're dealing with all the
time. So there's,
a manpower constraint always.
But then, they have to research all the
existing patents to make sure that your application

(38:23):
doesn't infringe on something that's already there.
So I happen to have a patent, which
who doesn't. Right? So anyway
These two. I'm sitting between these two patent
holders. I don't care. One. So not because
I'm smart, because I misinterpreted
what my boss wanted to do, and I
just thought I knew what he wanted. And
he didn't, but he saw

(38:43):
the he he saw They're born out of
a mistake again. Right? Yeah. So I remember
so he actually put the patent in in
02/2003,
and it was granted in 02/2009.
So it's in in that I'm sure I'm
guessing it was a simple patent. I don't
know. But,
there were not a lot of drawings, but
I do remember we had to show its
efficacy that it actually worked back then. So

(39:05):
if you think about it, it's a lot
of things
even I can have a patent without knowing
Mhmm. That the world needs certain things. Right?
Right. She has Very cool. So that's Yeah.
Three in your name. Right? Patents in your
name? Yeah. But they're all get residual. Right?
You get a few thousand over a year.
From time to time, do we see those
ads and commercials, Wes,

(39:26):
appealing to inventors that they used to. We
haven't owned a TV in fifteen, twenty years.
We don't know if they're still on, but
there used to be. Are you an inventor?
Right. Call 100
and and bring your invention to market. Right.
Do you have or have you ever used
these services or there's still out there? No.
No. The the the invention the the big
invention about that is how to get their
fingers in your billfold.

(39:47):
Right. This is what I would always think.
They're just looking at Pretty much. Yeah. Right.
Almost a scam. Because what what you have
to do is not only get the patent,
but then just having a patent doesn't guarantee
you're gonna be successful.
Right.
All a patent does allows you to sue
someone
that tries to make a product similar to
yours. That's all. Are they like global? I
know I'm assuming Well, no. You have US

(40:07):
patents. You have European patents. I mean, there
are different patents. And so I'm just encouraging.
Japanese. Well, I I had a this out
of sight recipe card holder. Right. Mhmm. Out
of sight recipe card holder. Within six months
of selling that thing, I found one on
the market that would be made in Japan.
They copied it. Yeah. In six months, they
had a duplicate from excuse me, China. I'm
not China. China.

(40:28):
China. And, it was imported. So in six
months, they had developed it and imported it
to United States and set up a distribution
here. And probably cheaper because right? You still
got a bunch of those things? Oh, I
had well, before I moved to Brookings three
years ago, I had a garage. I had
10,000 of them
Well, because they have a the other day,
it was so interesting. You you said, well,
including this thing. And you opened the envelope.
It was a sealed envelope Yes. It was.

(40:49):
That you sent out to Vegas when you
send it. And it's like, he must have
a bunch of these just to be opening
one of these sealed envelope just for us.
Will that But moving down to to Brookings,
I said, I'll never use these. So I,
donated them to the landfill.
No. Actually, no. I didn't. I took them
to a For a store or something? A
plastics manufacturer
and they reground them and used plastics. Okay.
They didn't end up in a landfill. Excuse

(41:10):
me. I'm sorry. I hope they're open. Alright.
What viability does a program like Shark Tank
have for inventors? Well, I would think it'd
be pretty good if you get funded by
one of those guys on Shark Tank that
Or gals. Yeah. Or gals. And they help
you help you with your marketing Yeah. And
positioning and and distribution.
That'd be very valuable.
Because, see, that's what it really takes. One
guy with a small invention really doesn't stand
much of a chance. You can sell it

(41:31):
at your local,
you know, fair. You had a little booth
at the fair, which I did with the
Geekacycle.
I had a booth at the Clackamas County
Fair. Oh, Geekacy. And How cool the Geekacy
you'd be on it. I mean, on your
computer doing work while you were working out.
Absolutely. We're sitting up there on the stage
that I built. Yeah. And you sold all
25? I sold all 25 of them. Yeah.
Wow. And,
and I actually had you had one myself

(41:52):
for years. I just got rid of them
when I moved to Brookings. You donated it
to Ray Simon and we heard.
Is it hard to raise capital
and speculators to invest in your product innovation?
Yeah. Yeah, because it's a gamble.
It's a gamble. You know, what you do
is you look at an invention. You say,
what the world need is an x y
z. And then people look at that and
say, well, how much is that worth? They

(42:12):
talk about million dollar inventions, $10,000,000
patents, dollars 20,000,000 patents. So they got to
put a monetary value on that patent that
if it were to take into market, how
many would sell, who would buy it? You
know, it's a serious marketing problem. So, yeah,
it's all speculation.
And, of course, you got the the hucksters
out there, the P. T. Barnums, you know,
that'll try to sell anything.

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But
a little guy doesn't have much of a
chance to make a big impact. If you
go to, the Shark Tank or such people,
you really have to know everything about it.
You the profit margin for how many 1,000
or a 100,000 you make and how much
investment. I mean, you'll really you can't just
be having the the brain to make an
invention,

(42:53):
Also the brain of calculating up. You gotta
you gotta present the whole business. Yeah. Very
true. Amazing how much they have to know.
Exactly. Yeah. Wow. One one example, you mentioned
something by accident. The post it note was
was an accident.
The Post it note. Okay. Tell me about
Post it. The three m Post it note.
Yeah. Yeah. The the scientist there's name was,
doctor Spencer Silver.
And he was trying to make a super

(43:15):
glue,
but he screwed up. And he ended up
with this substance that had very, very little
adhesion to
it. And he tried to figure, what am
I gonna do with this? You know, I
messed up. You know, I did get super
glue. So they kind of well, years later,
a guy was in, in church and had
his hymnal open and he wanted to put
some, some bookmarks in his hymnal, like, hymnal
and they kept falling out. And he remembered

(43:36):
this guy's
weak
adhesive.
So he got some of it and smeared
it on a piece of paper and stuck
it in a hymn book and he he
had a little bookmark in there. And then
it would he could also remove it without
tearing it. And remove it without damaging the
book. Yeah. It's cool. Caught on. Glues. Mister
clothes. Look, when you go to, like, Home
Depot and you see the amount of glues
and tapes they have today. All the variations

(43:57):
of the gorilla stuff and So so heavy.
What what And that took ten years, by
the way. Three m. A major corporation took
ten years from the time it was made
till the time it actually hit the market.
Well, because it was hidden for several years
already. The same with the whiteout. I know
that I read recently about a a gal
that invented the whiteout because she was secretary
getting tired of the old so she invented
the wipes that had to dry fast and

(44:19):
had to be brushed on quickly. And it's
like billions of gallons of white. That's something
more about it. Do you know who she
was? I I just no. I don't remember.
Remember the singing group, The Monkees? Okay. Remember
Nesbitt? The guy who wore the slanted hat?
Right. Right. His mother. No. Yes. It was
his mother. Richard Nedved or Richard, I believe
it was. Yeah. But yeah. How interesting. Michael.
Michael. Michael Ned. Michael. There we go. That's

(44:40):
his brother's It was his mother.
What branch, if any of the government, is
involved with analyzing
those applications
and granting the patents then? The US Patent
Office? The patent US Patent and Trademark Office.
Yes. And, that's in the Department of Commerce
in the executive
branch. Wow. And is I wonder if it's
a it's a low hanging fruit, why hasn't

(45:01):
it been eliminated with all these other jobs
being lost on the federal level? They might,
but a little less just because AI is
taking over quite a I'm I'm sure AI
is just an incredible invention. Yeah. Right? There
isn't an It is in everything. Global basis.
Yeah. There it is. What's your advice to
people that have a great invention or an
idea that they would like they think will

(45:23):
improve life and Well, I was just talking
to a fellow just last night that who
was asking me what could I do with
my with my idea, you know? What was
his idea? I wanna steal it. Yeah.
And, you know, he said, should I get
a patent? And the answer I think is
no.
You know, you don't need a patent to
go to market
and you're not gonna, unless you get a

(45:44):
big distributor or a big manufacturer behind you.
And that's the other thing. You can go
to some company and say, Hey, I've got
this thing. And would you like to take
it and productize it and market it? And
the company looks at it. And first off,
you'd give them a non disclosure agreement. Right?
Right. I just wanna keep it secret. But
what they would say is, Hey, well, we're
working on that in the back room.

(46:05):
We should tell them all about it. Oh,
we got that going on in the back
room. Yeah. Right. See around kids. Sure. Yeah.
Right. Sure. Exactly. Not sure. And then they
can just take and take and run with
it. Sure. Sure. But the chances of taking
an individual's idea to a market these days
is pretty slim. You have to something we
had get barked by backed by Shark Tank
or something. Yeah. Yeah. If you get it

(46:26):
figured out or I I always send people
emails of my ideas. I say, okay. Now
you know other people you shared. Case. I
I always think Monday, I'll pay the court.
This is like, show us the earliest evidence
that you have that you have a better
way. We have a big secret to spill
here. Yeah. It's not a secret. Okay. But,
anyway, we've got
secret for us. Six months. Okay. So, Wes,

(46:47):
you have your own
upcoming radio broadcast show right here on KCOW.
One hundred Tell us seven FM.
Tell us all about it. I'm working on
it. Yes. It's called, Cascadia Prep, Radio.
And what the idea is to,
look at the
the natural perils that we face. The wildfires,

(47:09):
the earthquakes, the,
what, excessive heat waves back east, for example.
And how can one, as an individual,
prepare and mitigate the
the problems that one would experience in going
through those things.
So the idea is to look at, disasters
and how we prepare for them.
The purpose of the show is to raise

(47:29):
awareness
and then motivate people to
action, to get their house in order, get
a plan in place, to deal with these
things when they strike. You know, several years
ago, we had some major fires right over
on the other side of the hills over
the last. Right, we're down in Crescent City.
We were really devastated.
Yes. Wow. Yeah. They were right. We could
watch the hills right over Gaski and and

(47:50):
all those places. Absolutely. We're on fire, and
we didn't have water for eight days. Oh,
wow. Our electricity. Yeah. And and I was
told I wasn't here at the time, but
I was told that you could see the
smoke right on the other side of the
hills here at the east service. And had
the wind been right, that fire would have
come right down the the Checo River. Yeah.
And Brookings would have been reduced to cinders.
Would have been smoked. Yeah. Yeah. So what

(48:10):
do you do?
Right. Okay. So how many of us are
really prepared. Right? I mean, are do you
find most people are not prepared? Most people
don't. They don't even wanna talk about it.
Yeah. Do you do it in a way?
It's so
It's not gonna happen if you don't think
about it. That's right. It won't happen. Stick
your head in a little hell in the
sand right there, and you're good. So the
premise is gonna be on
preparing,

(48:32):
for these natural disasters. For instance, the caldera
off the coast here, right, is is not
if it's wind, it blows. It's a matter
of wind. Yeah. And then it could
produce a huge tsunami, and we all live
on the coast from and everybody hearing this
thing
on south of us to Eureka all the
way up north
along the coast. We are
directly affected by this. Yes, we are. And

(48:55):
And but the thing of it is, you
know, we've been hearing about this since we
were kids.
My mother went back in Virginia used to
tell me, don't go to California. It's gonna
break off and fall into the ocean at
any time now. Yeah. I've heard that many
times. You know, I was in high school
when I first heard it, you know, way
back when. And, it hasn't happened yet. So
because it hasn't happened so far, it probably
won't. Right? Well, no. That's The longer it

(49:16):
doesn't happen, the higher the The longer it
doesn't happen, the more likely it is. That's
right. Now tell us about the format. How
long is it? Is it weekly? The show.
Do you have a guest? It'll be a
half hour show Mhmm. And, weekly. Yeah. And
we'll interview experts to come in and tell
us what we should be doing, how we
should be planning,
what we can expect,
what resources we have from the government to

(49:37):
help us out.
We're gonna look at not only the preparation,
but also the psychological effects of going. We
have several families here in Brookings that have
been burned out
in the the fires just three or four
years ago. Oh, down in Redding and Lost
everything. Yeah. Michael Powell and True Surf. That's
right. They're one family. Exactly. And others. And
we'll have them come on and talk about
the trauma that they experienced. For sure. And

(49:59):
what they would do differently if they were
faced with the same thing. What would they
do to help themselves out? Everybody thinks it's
not gonna be me, right? And then you're
faced with these Mhmm. These natural
disasters that come our way. How interesting of
an idea is that? So Yeah. So how
how do you come up with that? And
do you have a mission statement? Does it
have a mission statement for the show, for
instance? Yes. Just to raise awareness and,

(50:21):
and motivate for preparation. That's the mission statement.
How come
that is a hobby, so to speak? Well,
you know, when we had that that,
tsunami warnings,
what, five, six months ago Yeah. Remember that?
Yes.
We did get a tsunami. Right. As a
result, it was about three and a half
inches. About four inches urine. So it was
a big nothing. But the,

(50:43):
we didn't I I heard that siren. I
walked out in front of my house and
said, well, what do I do? Mhmm. I
didn't have a clue. Right. We head up.
I you were at work right at the
hospital, and I was I head out. I
everybody was calling me from the Bay Area
to all my kids. And, dad, are you
okay? And I'm I'm driving up the hill
because I'm hearing there's a tsunami coming. Mhmm.
And and we had, you know, some time

(51:04):
when the tsunami, you know, is initiated, you
have time before it actually hits your shore.
Yeah. But,
yeah. I think most of us were just
clueless as to how what we should have
done, what should we have on hand, should
have a go bag, have
something we can grab and hit the road
and be gone for out, you know, homeless
for seventy two hours before something happens. So,

(51:24):
yeah, how do you prepare for that? That's
what the idea is. I'm just gonna grab
Ray Simon and say help. There you go.
Ray Simon is helping you on this show.
Yes. He is. He's gonna be your part
of your the
the construction of this this whole thing and
it doesn't fly. Uh-huh. Well, good luck for
you there on the tech. Yeah. Very cool.
Yeah. This is gonna be a great show.
Well, thank you very much. Is this gonna
be a podcast too then? Yes. It will.

(51:45):
Alright. And I'm sure Tom Bozek will be
intimately,
involved with it intimately. And so good for
you and thanks for bringing it to KCW.
I think it's a fabulous idea. I think
it's Cascadia
Prep Radio.
And Cascadia meaning that The Northwest. The Northwest.
Okay. Cincinnati. Right. All the way from, Seattle
all the way down. So that's what you're
doing now. What's up? Anything near in the

(52:06):
future that other than that, where do you
see yourself in a couple years?
Just hanging out here doing this show. Out
here. Yeah. Just with Ray and Tom and
That's right. We'll come on your on your
thing. I'll give you jokes. Absolutely.
Disaster jokes. Oh, you don't have to chase
it. That won't go over very good. No.
We normally ask how people, can get a

(52:26):
hold of you, but you've already said, they
don't need to. Or I guess you could
let them know once you have the Cascadia
Sure. Radio. Sure. Yeah. You'll let them know
and reach out to you. I don't know
if you're on Facebook or anything like that.
No. I'm not. Okay. I'm Techno. We have
Yeah. A dolgophobic.
Yeah. Yeah. You're you said I said, silence
your cell phone. He goes, I didn't bring
it with me. It's like, dude, you're untethered.

(52:47):
I admire you so much.
Donna was Ray's wife was hollering at me
the other day that I never answered my
phone. I told her, well, I could never
find it.
Perfect. Well, neither can Chuck here. Always, like,
my gosh, 50,000
times a day. Hey, Siri. Where are you?
Well And so then he goes, here I
am.

(53:08):
I see you. Oh.
Now your phone wasn't turned on. I hope
everybody heard that. Siri, what time is it?
I understand. See? Oh my gosh. She doesn't
talk to me when I talk. It's 04:54.
Okay.
Alright. This is okay, folks. Okay. We're moving
on West Bruning.
Thank you for coming in. We wish you

(53:28):
the very best with your new Cascadia Prep
Radio. We look forward to having you on
the show again every six months ago. Yes.
And we'll have a lot of people to
chat. We'll have a lot of people. Other
inventions. Thank you so much. Alright. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Alright. What time is it, doc?
It is It is. Don't ask Siri.
Fun time corner. Okay. Give us a couple
of quotes that lead us off. Okay. So

(53:48):
the first quote is by you. Oh, this
is the one I sent. Invention is born
when you throw out all the rules.
Invention is born when you throw out all
the rules. I agree. Oh, wait a minute.
I have something I have to,
to mention. The, the other major support. This
will take just thirty seconds. Uh-huh. You need
to experience the arts since 1961

(54:08):
at the large reimagined Crescent Harbor Art Gallery
to 501 C 3 in Crescent City anchored
in the harbor right next to the boat.
Thank you for your support.
Lastly,
we have Strike. Do you know what I'm
talking about? I'm talking about our region's only
bowling center, tsunami lanes. Speaking of tsunami, tsunami
lanes on 101 in Midtown Crescent City. Finally,

(54:29):
doctor Gigi and I truly thank you for
being major supporters. Okay. Get back to that,
another quote. Alright. Necessity is the mother of
invention.
Having doubts is the father. I like that
one too. Right. Give us some jokes. You're
familiar. Well, the inventor of the so called
wind chill factor Mhmm. Okay? You know, he
died yesterday.
He was 86, but he felt more like

(54:51):
64.
The, inventor of autocorrect died yesterday.
May he rest, run, and peace. Yeah.
And the inventor of spell correct died yesterday
too. Oh, no. His funnel will be in
a few daisies for now.

(55:12):
Alright. His was more quotes.
Oh my god. Nice.
Okay. The inventor of the taser gun died
suddenly this morning. Everyone was shocked.
Come on. Get with it, doc. Pull it
together. The daisies. What's okay with okay. Television
is an invention that permits you to be
entertained

(55:33):
by people who would never invite you into
into your house. No. Who you would never
invite. You would never invite into your house.
He's mixed up folks. He's because you're hey.
The laughing. The adventure of the air conditioner
has died, folks. Yes. Thousands of fans are
expected to attend the funeral.
Hey. The inventor of that TV remote control
has finally died.

(55:54):
His family is still looking for it.
Sometimes I feel like I'm Johnny Carson there.
Okay.
Get on with it. Get some more.
Invention is a process. It's hard to get
there overnight.
K. That's true. An inventor is simply a
person who does not take their education too
seriously.

(56:14):
The inventor of the crossword puzzle moved into
our neck of the woods recently.
She lives five houses down and two across.
Did you hear that the, inventor of fractions
was Louis the one sixteenth?
Oh, I
I hear I hear Ray and Tom laughing

(56:36):
in the other room. I once dated the
inventor of the stopwatch.
That was my fifteen point four seconds of
fame.
Some of the greatest inventors are unknown.
Take the wheel, for example. Who invented it?
No one knows, but you're right. Poor poor
person. Manner one. We don't know.

(56:56):
Roll thing. Better.
I only have a few more jokes, so
you get going on your own. Do not
allow your mind to be imprisoned by the
majority.
Remember that the limits of science are not
the limits of the imagination.
That is a that's a classic. Yeah. Yeah.
Gosh. I'm still laughing at that. The inventor
of the umbrella was originally just gonna call

(57:18):
it Brella,
but then she,
hesitated.
So stupid.
I think we better be open with these
pretty
we help her over these issues. Hey, the
lottery gives you one in a million chance
that you won't go to work tomorrow. Alcohol
gives you one in five.

(57:40):
Okay. Okay.
All you need is one person to say
yes to a new
idea.
Well, that's kinda true. Right. True anymore?
An inventor should never overlook the significance of
an accident
or apparent failure.
Right on. That's true because so many things
pepid and axi. It's okay. I've got no
problem, folks, with genetically modified food. In fact,

(58:02):
last night, we had a lovely leg of
salmon.
I used I used to be a schizophrenic,
but we are alright now.
Okay, folks. Okay. Stop it. You have been
listening to Doctor. Chuck Radio Variety. Oh, he
has the end here on first, my thing.
On KCOW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.

(58:22):
Yeah. So we hope you have enjoyed our
show as much as as we would have.
Thanks again to Tom, Ozak, Ray Simon, and
Linda. Hope you're listening and enjoying this. Yeah.
Because we know you are. Thanks for your
service.
Email us email us if you know of
a talented or interesting
person that No joke. Might be on this,
Joe. She totally does it. It really does
it. [e-mail].
Thank you so much. Peace and love, everybody.
Oh my gosh. Stay tuned for Tony Dorsos.

(58:44):
Oh, yeah. Tony Dorsos on next.
The Tony Dorsos Show.
Alright. Goodbye.
Bye.