Episode 32 - Bewitched

Take a magical ride through the legendary sitcom "Bewitched," and the tales of stars Elizabeth Montgomery, Dick York, Agnes Moorehead, Dick Sargent, and more! 

Episode Transcript

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It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuringyour host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker
Mike Dorsey. All Right, welcome, it's another edition of Dearly Departed podcast.

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I think this is episode thirty two, the Lucky number thirty two.
Yes, and I'm Mike Dorsey andI'm Scott Michaels and this is Dearly Departed.
Welcome. How's it Ben, ScottGood, I've been. Uh,
it's been good. It's been coldhere in Palm Springs. It goes down

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to the actually down to the thirtiesit want one night, So it's been
it's been cold and windy here forthe winter. But um, but but
we had a ninety one degree daythe other day, so it's all getting
back to normal. I was in. I went to La a couple of
times since, uh, since wespoke last and uh and uh a couple

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of days ago I went. Imet up with my friends Trey and Jaws
and we went to Omens. Wewent to see David omen Yellow Drive.
Yeah, and he's he's doing verywell. It was he's in, he's
in. He's in David omen formand uh, we had a nice afternoon.
He actually he let us check outthe house next door that's for sale
right now. That was the Asonfamily house, Jim Mason's house. The

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young kid who the housekeeper when herewe go again Manson. But when the
housekeeper discovered the bodies at Sharon Tate'shouse, she ran screaming down the driveway
and ultimately ended up in this housenext door to David Omens. And so
we got to go through there.So that was that was kind of fun.
And uh, the cursed, BenedictCanney continues. I went up to
look at Jay Spring's house and gotup to his driveway and got into an

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accident. So that was wow,what the first first It wasn't anything deal,
but it was the first car atfirst any kind of car issues I've
had in many, many years thatwere a an accident, a bump.
But so yeah, but the cursecontinues. To think of all the times
that you've driven tours up there,you know, and I think have we

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talked about this at that On theanniversary, the day of the anniversary,
the fiftieth anniversary, my my bandcaught on fire on Clo Drive. About
that. Yeah, it was youknow, the fiftieth anniversary was crazy the
Tarantino movie was coming out, soI had a lot of involved with a
lot of that energy. With thatI had, um uh, well,

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Debora Tate was was kind of Iwas on her list of people she wasn't
fond of that week because we hada fiftieth anniversary thing and it was a
celebration of the sixties. The wholething was like anti murder. The night
of the anniversary, we had thisevent at Raleigh Studios and we had friends
of Sharon's come to speak. Wellit didn't manit it Debora and I and
it doesn't matter. But anyway,I had that kind of energy aimed at

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me. David wanted us to comeup big time, wanted us to come
up. And I had like threetours going on that day and I had
probably, you know, maybe seventyfive people come from all over the country.
It was just a stressful, tenseday of someone I know who was
a very in tune with psychic thingstold me don't go up there. Whatever
you dud don't go up there.It was just a crazy day. And

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on the anniversary we went up therewith a group of people and my car
caught on fire and my van,which I every thirty days. My vans
are you know, serviced and doublechecked by mechanics, and you have to
check the vands every day to makesure all the belts are there and the
fluids are there, and bam,my van cut umpire on the anniversary.
So Clo drive. Say what youwill, but I will well, speaking

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of anniversaries, we just passed theseventy fifth anniversary of the Black Dolla murder.
It was a couple of Really it'samazing and I early saw anything written
about it, which is kind ofweird. You know. It's funny what
I would have happened with the Tatething, the Manson thing, if not
for not for the Tarantino. Youknow, I'm sure those people could just
kind of eventually fade away. Imean, it's a different time and that

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there's there's a lot more information toconsume from those, you know, the
victims of nineteen sixty nine. WhereasElizabeth Short died in ninety forty seven,
was it, yeah, forty seven? I think so it was, um,
yeah, forty seven. So there'snot a lot of media at that
point. We have still images ofher, and so that has a lot

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to do with it. I thinkbut largely, you know, getting to
be forgot the Black Dahlia. It'sjust a little interesting. Yeah. Coincidentally,
you posted the story that the JohnSelden House, which was Hodel's house,
was broken into decently it was arobbery. Yeah, yeah, the
one that uh Steve Hodel claims hisfather killed the Black Alley in this architecturally

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significant house in Hollywood. Frank LloydWright, Our Lloyd Wright, Lloyd right
soon, it's son. Yeah,it's a it's a cool house. I
got to go in it once.I love its Jaws house. Yeah,
yeah, and it's really distinctive becauseof that. It looks like the shark
from Jaws in the poster. Butthe thing about Hodel is that he said

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that his father killed him in thatsecret room. Have you been in there?
I've never been. I really wantto go in there. And it's
a popular filming location too, whichis kind of yeah, I've never been.
Well, the secret room was literallymaybe two feet wide. You know,
it's it's not you know, it'slike behind the entertainment center of the
house now, you know, it'sit's just it's it's not really a room,

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but it is a secret as inlike a bookshelf that moves and things
like that, but it's not it'snot like you know they made it sound,
but uh but still anyway, coolplace. Yeah, and also used
in what the black Tail, No, Um, The Aviator, The Aviator,
that was a great movie about HowardHughes, Leonardo DiCaprio and uh Abitt

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Gardner's house that we used for that. And it was also I think it
was in an episode of Studio sixtyon the Sunset, the short lived drama
I've seen. I've seen it incommercials before too. I think for a
while it was owned by some advertisingexecutives who would just rent it out for
productions. Um, because it's sucha cool space. It was also just

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the thirty fourth anniversary today, Ithink of Divine's death thirty four is it?
I think that's what you wrote onFacebook. Did I check? Yeah,
I know you're right. I didwrite that. But yeah, God
Divine and that. But also thisweek was a John Belushi anniversary, so

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right, I was gonna say thattwo days ago was the fortieth anniversary of
Belushi's death at the Mormon Yeah.So, and that's a that's an interesting
place that Bungalow Belushi died in Ialways thought I've read since then quite a
bit about the marmot And I alwaysthought that the bungalow's you know, were
fairly recently built. But but they'vebeen part of the hotel for for many

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decades. And uh and um,and that was also where Anthony Burdane used
to stay all the time in thatbungalow, oh of of Bungalow number three,
know that it was Blush's probably,but also you know Nick Ray,
the director, uh stayed in therefor years and he you know, Maryland

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had been in that bungalow and JamesDean had been in that bungalow. I
mean it's it's been that they usedit for the rehearsals for Rubble without a
Cause in fifty five or four,so uh, you know it had been.
It's got a lot of a reallycool history to it that I didn't
know, uh until fairly recently.But um, yeah, it's a it's

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a Marmotza. God. I lovethat place. I got to meet somebody
I've always wanted to meet the otherday too, very exciting. Do you
know who Mary warrenovis? That namesounds very familiar. Yes, Mary Warrenovis.
She was in the Warhol factory,you know, back in reading this
in the in the in the earlyseventies, and uh, and she's a
really distinctive look. She's one ofthose androgynous people. I got turned onto

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her from Rock and Roll High School. She played the she played Miss Togar,
the principal in Rock and Roll HighSchool, which is how I got
turned down to the Ramones too.But she's been in a ton of Corman
movies as well, uh, HollywoodBoulevard, Death Race two thousand and uh,
and of rock and ROLLI School.But anyway, she's she's an artist,
and I've wanted to buy one ofher paintings forever. And then,

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you know, I figured one timeI ran into her at my supermarket and
I was like, I couldn't evenspeak. I was so excited, like
you know, you're you. Ohmy god, I love you so much.
But anyway, she was doing anart exhibition and they showed h they
showed Eating Raoul. That was themovie that she did that made her kind
of, you know, big onthe cult circuit, what started it.

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And they showed us screening at thatand in art exhibition, I bought one
of her paintings, and then ina couple of weeks she's doing a Rock
and Roll high school screening, soI'm very excited about that. So Mary
Warrenough, that was a cool thingto Actually, yeah, I loved meeting
her. That was really excited.I couldn't even you know. It was
one of those people that you know, there aren't that many people I want
to meet U and I've met somecool people too. I don't want to

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sound you know, like you know, I don't care. I do care
a great deal, but she wassomebody I really wanted to meet, So
it's right, that's awesome. Um, I wanted to promote a I just
discovered this Twitter account. I putit up on our Facebook. It's called
Daily Laurel Canyon Oh yeah, andit's entirely dedicated to Laurel Canyon music scene

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of the sixties and seventies, andit's really fascinating. I think it's a
fairly recent account that just launched.I don't know the person who runs it.
I just came across it, butthey've been posting tons of content,
photos, videos, music, everythingcovering that whole history, and some decent
write ups on stories it's on Twitter. Twitter. It's a Twitter account called
Daily Laurel Canyon. Okay, reallycool, a cool person running it.

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I wanted to promote that I haveno ties to it, but I thought
it was really cool. I stoppedat the Canyon Country Store when I was
there, and oh god, youknow, you know what that place is,
like, I just get soaked.I would I'm there because it's such
a it's such a oh my god, it's such an unassuming place. It's
got so much cool history. Um, I was just play. They sell
them They sell wine there occasionally,Laurel Canyon Wine. But whenever I go

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there, I ask if I canuse the bathroom, and they're really nice
there and they say yeah, yeah, sure. So you go to the
back of the store and you godown these stairs to the bathroom, which
is actually under the store. Well, they say, they say that Mama
Castle lived there, and that's that'sjust not true. It's never you know,
I mean, God bless them.You know, they own the Canyon

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Country Store, they've had it forforty years, but they still talk about
Mama Castle living there. That neverhappen. However, Jim Morrison did live
behind it. We know that hewrote, you know the Love Street song
especially, you know there's a storewhere the creatures meet. Um but they
but it's still it's really kind ofcool to go to the Candy Country Store
and then go back there because it'slike an old store used to be.
It's what it is. You know. It opened up probably in the forties,

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I think, and um, Iknow, it's just really hasn't changed.
I hope they never mess with itand always. Really I love that
place so much, I really do. There's not many places you can go
to in LA that still have thatkind of magic right to it, you
know. Um have you have youseen this, uh, the new Elvis
movie that's coming out from Baz Lerman. No, I haven't seen anything about

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it. It looks wild. Why. I mean, it's bas Lerman,
so you get that's what you get, you get that production. But Tom
Hanks is playing Colonel Tom Parker.Really yeah, Okay, it's basically like,
you know, a biography of Elvis, you know, obviously centering on
his his career, his entertainment career. But yeah, it looks pretty fascinating,

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I have to say. I meanit's a big spectacle, which is
what Lerman does. But I'm prettyI don't know, I'm cautiously optimistic about
it. Looks really cool the trailersout. If you guys want to look
it up. I think it's justcalled out. Definitely want to. Yeah,
yeah, because the guy that playsElvis is Tex Watson, isn't he?
Oh? Is it the same actor? I think he is. I
think yeah, I think yeah,I'm pretty sure of it. And um,

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because this is like his first hisfirst thing. But yeah, the
guy that plays Elvis is Austin Butler, who played Tex Watson's by the time.
Yeah, so yeah, that'll beinteresting to see. I don't know.
I mean, I only know aboutMulan Rusham baz Lerman. That's all
I know. And that's one ofmy favorite movies. I haven't seen it

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since it came out, but Ijust loved it because it was like living
in a dream. It would bea great movie to do, like Mushrooms
Too or something. Yeah, thislooks like that, but it's Elvis.
It's crazy. Yeah, yeah,cool, I look forward to that definitely.
Um. Kind of seems like itmight be like Tom Hanks as Colonel
Tom Parker might be kind of likethe narrator, kind of almost from his
point of view. That was kindof the vibe I got from the trailer,

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So that's kind of I mean,he's in it, but it also
sounds like he's kind of like it'syeah, it kind of brings the story
around. Yeah, sure, okay, Lou, Yeah, I know nothing
about the movie, so it'll beI'll definitely look at the trailer. Oh.
I just just as an update forpeople, I did drive past the
LaBianca House and it's still there.It hasn't been torn down or anything.

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I stopped at the Monastery the Angels, which is that monastery that's in the
center of Hollywood, which has beenthere since the twenties, or at least
the monastery that that cloistered bunch ofnuns have been there around since the twenties.
They're still there because that's that's supposedlybeen sold and they're on a month
to month lease now. So justthe fact that there's a monastery with cloistered

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nuns in the middle of Hollywood isjust crazy, but they're still there.
Stopped at the Old Coyote and stoppedour friend Billy, and that was that
was kind of me. It wasI was there for one day with with
I said, my friends Trey andJoss and uh packed a lot of stuff
in and um, yeah, soit was a it was a good day.
Good, good to be back inLa. Good to be back.

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I was away from LA for afew years, and it was always like
more special when I came back tovisit La for a weekend or whatever.
It always made it. I don'tknow, it was always like more special.
It seemed like to grow on andsee the places you don't see him
every day. Yeah, you know, I don't know. I agree,
because you can't pack everything in andyou want to go you dry past as
you go. Oh my gosh,Oh my gosh, I want to do

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that, and so maybe it makesyou leaves you wanting more. Um,
all right, do we have anyhate mail? Hate mail? Lots of
lots of hateful comments, but nothingreally creative, except for one which was
kind of I just kind of funny. Uh. There's a there's a Finding

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Death on Facebook. We have theDearlier Party podcast and also there's a group
called the death Heads of Friends ofJulia Party Tours I think it's what it's
called. And my friend Jane Osborneand Doris Cook they both moderate it.
You know it's one hundred percent.They're in it. They're the ones that
approve people, et cetera, etcetera, and I rarely hear anything about

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I'll pop in and stuff, butI don't. I don't really get involved
with it too much. But anyway, somebody suggested a wrote to me,
it's exchanged. Well, it isn'tan exchange because I just ignored it to
begin with, And I guess thatwas the problem. So if somebody said,
um, would you be so kindto add me to the dear Leader
party group? I didn't say,because I don't do that. You know,

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it doesn't It's not up to me. So I ignored it. And
then the next message, fine,I will answer your questionnaire, which is
beyond annoying and aggressive and doesn't ensuretrue fans are the ones applying. Okay,
so go, And then I gotanother one saying hello, I answered
the questionnaire and have not been accepted. All right, So okay today,

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Seriously, who the fuck are youto ignorege my ignore? It escalates so
fast, I know, Seriously,who the fuck are you to ignore my
messages in my application to the group, You ugly unfuckable loser. Fuck,
it's like, okay, we'll stepaway, step away from the keyboard.

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We're all a little stressed, allright, It's okay. Rarely do I
laugh at loud at nasty comment.I know. I usually somebody spailed the
questionnaires you unfuckable. Fuck. That'sreally good. I'm gonna have to remember
that one. Seriously. I like, that was good. That's awesome.

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I uh. The only I mean, we don't really get to hate mail.
We keep getting positive reviews of thepodcast, which is always nice,
especially on iTunes, which is whereI think a lot of people will hear
us. But why The only bigcomplaint we get is that we don't do
enough episode, that we don't doit often enough. You know, it
was a couple of months since wedid the last one, and you know,
really, we just we do this. We don't have a set schedule.
We do this when our schedules aligned, and when you know, when

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you and I are both doing otherthings too, So we do this when
we can. Yeah. Yeah,And we also do the special Patreon episode
that it's confusing to people because Ihave my own Patreon page for Dearly Departed
YouTube and so and then we alsohave a Patreon page for this on the
podcast Patreon page exclusive for the podcast, you get a whole another episode,

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right for the exclusive of the Patreon, So we do. There is a
you know that's easily sixty to ninetyminutes worth of content for the bonus step.
And we just did another one ofthose Patreon episodes, um like ten
days ago or something like we canhave years ago. Yeah, So when
I post this to YouTube directly belowthis video will be a Patreon link to

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the podcast Patreon episode solely for thepodcast and solely for our Patreon only episode
on the podcast. I just needto make that clear because it confuses me
and I don't want to be insultingto the people who are already supporting you
know, our page or my page. So that's you don't want any more
unfuckable fuck email. This is whatpeople saying, Well, I already sponsor.

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You actually get that. It's likeit's a different thing, and that's
why it's hard for me to explainthat. So and the podcast Patreon is
only two bucks a month, right, and you get that whole bonus episode.
So yeah, so that'll be thelink below this episode. You will
see Patreon for the podcast and thatthat's where you'll get the bonus episode.
So I just want to clarify that. So, do you want to do

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the main feature? Are we ready? Sure? I'm ready when you are?
All right, it's time for themain feature. And we are doing
Bewitched, which was recommended to usby a few people, and so you
know, we like to deliver.Yeah what people, we listen. We

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listened, and we love and thepizza mant delivers. Yes. Bewhich the
famous American sitcom that ran for eightseasons from nineteen sixty four to nineteen seventy
two. It was the highest ratedshow on ABC up to that point in
time when it aired, and justa huge smash success sitcom, kind of

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a trend setting benchmark series. Butas a kid, I always confused it
with Dream of Genie because they wereboth in syndication. Yeah, it was
growing up and they were both youknow, they ran around the same time
period, and they were both youknow, sitcoms about magic wives that have
magic abilities. There was some crossoverthere. Well, yeah, that was

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a different networks answer. Right,It's like the Munsters in the Adams Family.
We got to have a magic woman. Yeah, have a magic wife
show with a grumpy a grumpy mailfigure. You know, you gotta do
that right and which But yeah,I mean talk about a cast. I
mean all these people in this show, every guest star, every extra,

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you know, from like a billionother TV shows. You know, like
Bernie Coppele, who was who wasin like ten episodes it was you know,
The Love but he was in Courtof It, Betty's father. He
was in all these different shows fromthe sixties. Uh, you know all
of them, Sandra Gould, Bernieyou know those uh anywhere, We're gonna
get into them all. But butso many of these people were stock actors

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of the sixties TV shows and umand had a great had great reputations and
visibility, and it was a greatshow. It was a great show.
Yeah, I watched, Um,I watched one episode from season six that
Deacon Jones was in. Yeah,Claire, Yeah, it was a it
was a Jack and the bean Stockthing and he was like the the the

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guard at the gate was played byDeacon Jones. Back when it was really
popular, it seemed like for forfamous football players to become actors. Brady
Bunch had a couple of those,didn't they. Um, Yeah, a
couple of guests appears. Is thatthe one that was the one with Johnny
Whittaker, wasn't it where he playedJack? Yes, yeah, that's right.
It's fun again Johnny Whittaker and BillyMooey who was in Lost in Space.

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All those guys are on crazy He'sa Twilight Zones and these guys,
oh Andy Griffith and yeah it's nuts. But uh but yeah, that was
and those were fun. They hadto get sort of far fetched towards the
end of the run to make themreally imaginative and exciting and and uh and
uh yeah I remember that episode verywell. That was It was creepy because

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they always showed the guy from LowLow Angles, you know, and the
giant, and it was it wasreally creepy. Yes, some one where
Tabitha goes into the storybook m thedaughter. Yeah, all right, Um,
who do you want to start with? I mean, honestly, do
you want to do you want togo with like the most famous to the
least Let's I was gonna say,let's start with the creator, Saul Sack.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,um. He was the creator.
And what's really interesting is he wrotethe pilot and then he never wrote another
episode. Oh interesting, He waslike that all done? Send me the
royalty checks. I'm I'm rich forlife. Isn't it fun? Many who
knew too? He said that,uh, it was. He seems like

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it wasn't really an original idea.He kind of he was inspired quote quote
by nineteen forty two As I Marriedat Which with Veronica Lake and nineteen fifty
eight spell Book and Candle with aJimmy Stewart and Kim Novak and um.
Sachs started out as a radio writerand um, what's really interesting is when
we did a whole we talked aboutLucy ole Ball, we did our whole

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I Love Lucy episode. His firstsitcom writer and credit, after he'd written
for radio for years, was writingthe television version of My Favorite Husband,
which Lucille Ball starred in the radioversion. It's what kind of gave her
a chance to go into television.And they wanted Lucille Ball to do a
TV version of My Favorite Husband,and that's when she was like, only

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if DESI can be my husband andthat's and they were like nah, and
then ended up doing I Love Lucyinstead, and My Favorite Husband ended up
still getting made, just with differentcast and Sacks, the creator of Bewitched,
was a writer on that shows,this first sitcom. I'm trying to
think. I mean, I justsaw that Ricardo's movie, and I think
sel Sax is called up by namein that. I think he is called

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out by name in that right inlike the writer's room when they're negotiating that.
But yeah, maybe, yeah,talk about a guy, yeah,
a television icon. And it's funnybecause he didn't do that much else after
Bewitched. He really was kind oflike, well, I did it.
I came up with my big idea. I'm rich. And he doesn't have

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a whole lot of credits after Bewitchedbecause a lot of times, even when
someone creates a show like that,it's the beginning of a whole run.
He would see her, you know, for the next decade or two.
They're you know, they're a kingmakerkind of in the business. It seems
like he was satisfied to just dothat. He'd already been in the business
for you know, fifteen plus years. He had been a performer before then,
so maybe he was just kind oflike done. But he lived a

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long time, and he died onApril sixteenth, twenty eleven. He was
one hundred years old and he diedfrom pneumonia. Wow, that's interesting.
I knew that because that name isiconic too, because such an unusual name,
right, so when the show usedto be on it, I was
like, Oh, that's a coolname. I like that name. And
uh so, but I'm surprised becauseI'm not to say I'm not belittling his

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career in any way, but Ithought there'd be more to it than that,
you know, because his name isso iconic, and I'm not saying
that's all he did, but that'slike kind of the thing he's known for,
and that was kind of the youknow. So since we just mentioned
William Asher and and I Love Lucy, we might as well mentioned William Asher.
He was the director of Bewitched,which is interesting because now nowadays in

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television a lot of times episodes havetheir own you know, each episode has
a different director, or you know, a director might direct half of a
season or something like that. Buthe did. I think most are all
of the episodes of Bewitched he directed, And coincidentally, he had directed one
hundred and two episodes of I LoveLucy. Oh that many? Yes,

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that's really interesting. Yeah. HisTV directing years went back to the early
fifties, you know, the earlyyears of television, so it's really wild.
He also directed a bunch of episodesof Bad News Bears series Alice,
Gidget, the short lived Paul LynnShow that they did right after Bewitched,
the Patti Duke Show, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, I was

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shocked because he did those uh theMuscle Beach Party, Bikini, Beach,
How Does Stuff a While? Bikini? I mean all those all those you
know, beach films. Uh,we were William Asher's and there was one
episode one of those How Does Stuffa While? Bikini? And Buster Keaton.
Buster Keaton was doing those right,and they were they were pretty he

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was he played this like pervy oldman. That was always you know,
just lingering, you know, alittle bit too long around the young women.
And but in one episode, ElizabethMontgomery plays a witch his daughter,
uh, Buster Keaton's daughter in theepisode, which is kind of fun.
Um. Yeah, well I justit was. I was shocked to see
I watched those movies. I dosee them a lot, and to see

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Bill Asher still kind of surprising.Um. And he uh, he passed
away after, you know, obviouslya very long career in Hollywood. And
he passed around July sixteen, twentytwelve. He was ninety and he had
Alzheimer's. He had, Yeah,he had three kids with Elizabeth Montgomery.
I mean they were together for fora long time. As I understand it,
he had he was he had adrinking problem big time. And one

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another one of his wives was joyJoyce Boullifant, who was another seventies actress
who who was played Murray's Gavin McLeod'swife on the Mary Tyler Moore Show,
which she was married to him aswell. And uh and said it was
it was rough. It was reallyrough to to live with him during those

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years. And um, you know, they maintained a friendship after they divorced
because they had three children together.But they were close with Agnes moorehead.
They were close with Paulin as youwere saying he was. They were friends,
but they were very good friends andthey still still hung out together.
And it was Bill Asher that gotElizabeth Montgomery the part I think of.
He certainly pitched her to be Samanthaand the trademark wiggle of the nose was

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down to Bill Asher recognizing when theywere married that she would make an expression
and make her nose. Her nosenever really wiggled, but it was really
her upper lip. Yeah yeah,her mouth more than their nose. Yeah
yeah. So but yeah, itwas down to Asher who came up with
that sort of gimmick instead of havingto do a like grandiose gesture or something

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like that. And so so foranyone who doesn't know, to catch you
up. So, Elizabeth Montgomery wasthe star of Bewitch. She played Samantha
Stevens, the Witch and Bewitched,and so she was married to William Asher,
who was the director of the show, and they had met a year
before, I think on a TVmovie that he directed and that she starred
in, and you know, romanceand then career. So they had a

(28:38):
production company together called Ashmont Productions.So very it's interesting the parallels with I
Love Lucy and this husband and wifeteam and having a production company together.
And the whole reason I think thatthey did the Paul Lynn show was when
they you know, decided not torenew Bewitched after its eighth season. They
had like a contractual allegations, sothey're like, oh, well, we'll

(29:00):
do this show instead to fulfill youknow, the obligation to the network.
And uh, and that's why thathappened. Yeah, it's because when they
when they split up Asher and ElizabethMontgomery. I think they made another season,
didn't they after their breakup of it? They were like breaking up during
the eighth season. I think,yeah, I don't know. I mean

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one of the I guess one ofthe things that's blamed on the end the
show ending was because their marriage fellapart, and I don't know, maybe
also just because they've been doing itfor eight years. How much more is
there to do? You know?I know that she was over it and
she didn't even want to do likethe last season because they started recycling episodes.
They just did the same episode again, you know, changing the plot
line a little bit. But therewas a reason why she stuck it out

(29:45):
one more season. But she wasshe was she didn't hate it. But
you know, what else can youdo with this? You know, there's
not a whole lot of we've doneit. We've done every plot already.
And this was a time when theywould do thirty plus episodes in a season.
It's it's unheard of now. It'scrazy how much you know, you
have to start recycling plots from otherepisodes. Yeah, yeah, but I

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just you know, I I youknow, it was one of those shows
I will always if I'm thumbing,you know, just flicking through TV channels,
I'll always stop on it because it'salways funny, you always. And
I've seen them, you know,we've all seen them all. You know,
there's the one with dot dot dotand uh. And it's shocking because
some people have become so iconic becauseof their appearances on Bewitch. But out

(30:30):
of two hundred and sixty or twohundred and fifty episodes, you know,
these people have been in like nine, you know, but they're so synonymous
with the show that uh that youknow, it's almost like they were a
main character through the whole series.And it's just not that way, but
it was. It's a testament tohow big bee, which it was as

(30:51):
a show. Yeah so, umso. Elizabeth Montgomery, the star of
the show. Um two of herreal life pregnancies with Asher were written into
the show. Would have got permissionto do that, as we know from
you know, doing I Love Lucy, you know, a decade before that
was considered to have a pregnant characteron a TV sitcom was you know,

(31:11):
pretty boundary pushing um And I guessshe was pregnant when they did the first
season in the pilot and they wouldjust kind of did the whole hider behind
things to hide the bump. Andthen when she got pregnant the second time,
they were like, we're not doingthat again. Let's just have her
have it. Let's just have foldedin and have them have a kid.
They've been married for a while bythis point in the life of the show.

(31:33):
Um, you know, to starta family. People do reproduce.
But it's I'm trying to think ofBewitched. Ever went the root of the
two share sharing the same bad theymust have. They must have like the
Munsters did so so I'm sure Bewitcheddid you know, they probably started as
double bads or twin bads or rather, but uh, but yeah, eventually

(31:56):
they did show them I think touchingand in in one vehicle bed I know,
but yeah, yeah, but she'sanother Yeah, she was really active,
you know, on television, doinga lot of dramatic television actually surprisingly
and until and then Bewitched happened,and it went boom. That's that's how

(32:17):
we know her now. But yeah, her father and then after be which
she wanted to do, she wentback to doing more dramatic roles. Again.
It's like she wanted to not bethat character where we know the comedian
you know. Yeah, one ofher first projects was a case of rape.
I mean, you know, it'slike it's like Samantha, but she
was never she was never. Imean she was done with Bewitched. She

(32:40):
didn't hate it, but she wasdone with it. And but she's always
really kind to people about it.When when she was approached and she always
answered fan mail about Bewitched, youknow, she's always very She never was
shitty about it, and um,there's no reason she would have been.
It just she was just tired ofit. But yeah, then trying to
break the mold and doing that wholeuh missus. Sun Dance was another one

(33:04):
that I liked a lot that shewas in. And you know, she
was married to Gig Young. Areyou familiar with him? I know that
name. Yeah, Gig Young wasanother one of those actors. It was
in a billion different things in televisionand films. He was the original choice
for the gene Wilder part in BlazingSaddles, but he had a real he
had He was supposed to be Charlieand Charlie's Angels, but he had a

(33:27):
drinking problem big time and he couldn'teven like be coherent about it, and
so they were together. Elizabeth Montgomeryand Gig Young were together from nineteen fifty
six to ninety sixty three. Hehad married, oh and also his his
just for a backstory, his psychiatristwas that Eugene Landy, the Nuts that
was after Brian Wilson that latched ontoBrian Wilson of the Beach Boys and ended

(33:52):
up like becoming the producer and cowriter of all Brising Lynon Wilson's Brian Wilson's
music, etc. But anyway,it was nineteen seventy eight that Gig Young
got married to his second his thirdwife, I think it was in three
months. Three weeks after they gotmarried, he shot her in the hat
and then killed himself in an apartmentin Manhattan. So, um, it's

(34:14):
just the bizarre murder suicide. Nobodyreally knows why, but clearly he had
substance abuse issues and psychological you knowissues, and it's wild how often that
is especially a problem. It seemslike in that era alcoholis from alcoholism and
drug problems and just poor health andheavy smokers. And I mean we talked

(34:37):
about this before. I just watchedThe Misfits for the first time finally.
Oh, I mean, which iswild really, just because it's Clark Gable
and Marilyn Monroe's last film for bothof the Gable died just days afterwards.
It's kind of somewhat in some wayskilled him, you know, in addition
to his horrible unhealthy lifestyle. MMontgomery Cliff is also in its. It's

(35:00):
just like and John Houston directed it. So so you're talking about just like
a disaster of you know, peoplecoming together. It's a miracle that they
finished it. I think I sawthat. Marilyn Monroe said that something like
Montgomery Clift was the only person sheever met who was more messed up than
she was. Yeah, yeah,that's true. That did come. And
the other thing was that they theyheard Montgomery Clift. They say they recognized

(35:22):
disaster in each other's eyes and giggledabout it, you know. And that
was another thing I did when Iwas in la As I went to the
telephone pole that Montgomery Clift hit Imade some video about that they'll be releasing
soon. That kind of destroyed hisbrain. But I saw you you posted
that photo and I recognized it.Yeah, that was that was but so

(35:42):
yeah, very very interesting and uhyeah it was alcoholics obvious. You know,
there was nobody was in recovery backthen. It was you know,
card Gable when he had his heartattack was in this hospital with an ash
tray clip to it. It's like, yeah, he had he had a
heart attack two days after they wrapproduction and died ten days after that.

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And anyways, it would be funto do a Misfits episode actually, because
that gives you an intro to cartGable and Marilyn Monroe and like, I
mean, some great tragic characters depressing. Yeah, I did not. That's
a that's a hard movie to sitthrough. I it was good, but
it's it is not a lighthearted movie, right Uh yeah, the whole drama
with Marilyn Monroe and Arthur Miller inthe background. He's writing it and he's

(36:29):
really just kind of writing out hisproblems with her in it, and and
um, and he's probably the onlyI was very impressed by her acting in
it. It was. There wasa different layer to her that I had
never seen any other movie. She'sjust very raw and kind of very super
emotional and almost like you know,I mean in real life she was kind

(36:49):
of falling apart and she her characteris doing that. That's a hard movie
to sit there. I yeah,it might be. It may it's it's
it might be fun to ELpH intoit. But something it might be fun
to do one day, Mike isto watch a movie together with the sound
of the movie off, so peoplecould be like, MST three K,
you know, yeah, just amovie coming. Yeah, that'd be fun.

(37:15):
We could totally do that. Startthe movie now right exactly. That
would be cool. That'd be cool. That's a fantastic idea, Scott,
we should. If you're listening tothis, you I have ideas for a
movie that we could do. Letus know. I got Sergeant. That
would be awesome. So um,all right. So Liz withth Montgomery was

(37:37):
very after she finished with you know, she did movies and television afterwards,
really pretty straight stuff. Not anyreal lighthearted uh you know, Samantha E
kind of stuff. She was doingdramas, police dramas. She was she
was an aids activist, UH,gay rights activist, women's rights activist,

(37:58):
um when Dick Sargent came out ofthe closet, who played the second Darren
She and he who was who maintaineda friendship with the grand marshals of the
LA Gay Pride Parade, right,he had just come out a few years
prior to that. Yeah, andyou know, it embraced it, finally
embraced it. Yeah. Yeah,and she was not a shocker, you

(38:19):
know, to her. I meaneveryone probably knew it. And this is
another interesting thing I found out aboutabout her. Now I didn't. There's
a producer named Richard Michaels on theshow, and I because that's my dad's
name, I used to clock itall the time, you know, and
I saw it. Apparently, accordingto what I've read, that she had
a fling with Richard Michaels and that'swhat ended the marriage to Asher, was

(38:44):
this fling that she had with him. And she also had an affair with
Alexander Goodnov, the ballet dancer,which yeah, it's just so interesting because
they're saying that he was really inlove with her and she died, you
know, when she died ninety five. But so he he died like in
later ninety five, and they saythat that's part of the reason he drank

(39:06):
himself to death, which also fitsinto it was with Montgomery sort of gravitating
towards heavy drinkers. Alexander Goodnov diedof alcoholism a short period of time after
she did. She didn't die ofalcoholism, but um, but yeah,
so it's kind of interesting. Andthen she hooked up with Robert Foxworth,
who was an actor and I don'tI don't know much about his career.

(39:28):
I think he was supposed to bej R. Ewing or something like that.
And uh, and he turned itdown. Lots of people turned down
some roles and crazy he was.Yeah, so but he and also just
as a piece of trivia, RobertFoxworth is the guy who does the narration
of the Helter Skelter audio book,which is really good, which is really

(39:49):
good. Yeah. I read thatthey were together for like twenty years and
then only married for the last fewYeah, it does seem like a genuine
love affair. And uh and uh, he sounds like a really decent kind
of guy. Stability sounds like becauseit sounds like the other stuff, the
swinging sixties cocktail era is quite youknow, quite dramatic and uh so um

(40:13):
so, yeah, it was probablynice for that kind of steady relationship.
I thought it was interesting that shevoiced Samantha on an episode of flint Stones.
I guess it was like a crossoverthing. Yeah, sometimes that would
happen, um, you know,uh and like Spatman going on Scooby Doo
right without the West um, whichI thought was interesting because the flint Stones

(40:36):
was produced by Hannah Barbara, whoalso animated Bewitched opening titles and opening credits.
Yeah, and Sally. They alsoproduced the I Dream of Genie animated
spinoff Genie Oh with Baboo the BigGuy and Apple Damn movie. That's right,
that's right. Yeah, Yeah.Hanna Barbara's got their fingers in all

(40:58):
of this and so yeah, theytotally do. Yeah, those are some
iconic credits, the opening credits.Uh, that's so cool. Hannah Barbara.
That's very interesting. Well, andwe we we would be remissed if
we didn't mention that, you know, Bewitched has like one of the most
famous opening sitcom theme songs ever.Yeah, one of the most recognized,
instantly recognizable even if you aren't fromyou know, of that era. Yeah,

(41:21):
you know. It's funny because there'sa there was an album that came
out of TV show theme songs acouple of years ago and well a couple
of years ago like twenty five now. But they would do that, They
would do all the orchestration, butwhen it comes down to the nose twitch,
it's not the same one. Youknow, they use like the I
phone or something. Oh really,and then on the soundtrack, but then

(41:43):
you watch it on The Flintstones andit's not the same thing. It's not
the same noise that she made whenshe twitched her nose and the same with
that how to Stop a While bikini. They show her doing the nose twitch,
but it's not the same noise,and it's it's almost it's like disappointing
when you don't hear the same noise. You know, it's like what would
like the sound department of b Wischnot loan the fully sound effects got to

(42:06):
be it. That's the only wayI can explain he because he can on
their own to come up with theirown sound. Yeah, I mean,
but like the bee witch thing onon the Flintstones had Dick York and they
were the animated characters, so there'sa you know, it can't be that
that copyrighted. She was a witchyou know on the show, so they
had to let it go. Butfor some reason, that noise and it's
very disappointing when you don't hear thatnoise. That that that the right one,

(42:30):
you know what I mean, that'smy ring tone. That's one of
my that's one of my ring tonesis the bewitch twitch um. Another one
of her other projects that she did, she did a TV movie about Lizzie
Borden m where she played Lizzie Borden, you know, the famous axe murder
story. And I guess I assumethat this is true. After she died,

(42:51):
it was discovered that she was actuallyvery distantly related to Lizzie Borden.
Oh really like a cousin, youknow, six times removed kind of a
thing. Yeah, you know,at a certain point it's you know,
you go back far enough, arekind of all related? But yeah,
yeah, well yeah, I mean, but no, that is interesting.
Yeah, because like Princess Diana asMary was related to Humphrey Bogart. You

(43:13):
know, it's like all right,yeah, that makes sense. I'm reading
Bogie's Bogie's biography right now, areyou. Yeah. It's one of those
doorstop sized books. Though. Man, it's going to take me a long
time to get through it, butit's really good so far. It's called
old. How old is the book? I mean, how long ago was
it written? I mean I thinksometime within the past, like a couple

(43:35):
of decades. Now. It wasn'tlike a contemporary of him, I don't
think so much. Yeah, interesting, man, um. I also thought
it was interesting that she started ina TV movie with O. J.
Simpson, which one nineteen seventy seven. This is this is just wait for
the title, um, she playsUm. They both played detectives who have

(43:55):
an affair with each other, andthe name of it was called a Killing
Affair. Ain't true? I sting? Yes, OJ was in a TV
movie called a Killing Affair? Huhallegedly allegedly if he did it, I
don't know. Wow, that's yeah, that's that's there you are. It

(44:17):
was with Montgomery God, and youknow the famous line I asked. I
did a couple of short YouTube videoswith Aaron Murphy who played Tabitha and Bewitched
and h and I asked her ifit was true. I guess we'll talk
about it when we get to DickDick Sargeant, so we could talk about
the fame. Well, no,we already brought it up, the gay
Pride thing, right, so Ican may as well I can address that.
So I did you know some YouTubevideos with Aaron Murphy who played Tabitha,

(44:43):
one of the two girls that playedTabitha. Though Aaron Murphy was when
it was used the most, andI asked her if this was true,
you know it wasn't With Montgomery andDick Sargeant. The second Daring were the
grand marshals of the Gay Pride Paradein West Hollywood in nineteen ninety two,
because Dick Sargeant came out of thecloset and she wanted the sower show port.
According to legend, they asked ElizabethMontgomery why she did it, and

(45:05):
she said it, I did itfor the love of Dick, you know,
I did ask Aaron Murphy, andI think it was I think the
quote was I think that well it'sI think the quote was miss you know,
twisted a little bit, but Ithink I did it to support Dick
or something like that. But it'salways been I did it for the love

(45:27):
of Dick. That was always thatwas always the uh, the joke.
And so you asked Aaron Murphy aboutit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, because she I mean,yeah, she she well, she's become
you know, she's the only onethat's left except for the little boys,
you know, the play the twinBrothers. And uh. But she she
she did confirm that she said somethingto that effect, but it was the

(45:49):
quote was was miss you know,misquoted a little bit, just for for
for umph of course. But anyway, well, yeah, Aaron Murphy,
we'll talk a little bit about herlater, I guess when we get down
to the cast. But uh,but Elizabeth Montgomery, she definitely had a
sense of humor and uh and itwas clear during the show when she did
the Serena character too. I meanI think I think she loved doing that

(46:14):
because it was no longer Samantha.You know, she could get she could
get you know, get crazy andyou know, sing and do all those
sorts of things. I always saidthat, like the Tim Curry makeup and
Rocky Horror was partially based on Serena'smakeup. If you look at it,
if you look at it, there'sa couple of really distinctive times when she
turns her head and stuff. It'svery Tim Curry. But um, but

(46:35):
Serena was a great, a greataddition to the cast. And I think
that might have been part of it. The reason they did it was to
give, you know, to appeaseElizabeth Montgomery, to make it fun for
her, you know, so right, so and she did and and it
was really fun to watch the episodesand how they used the doubles, you
know, the back of Samantha's hadand every once in a while they'll be
Serena in a scene and Samantha's doublewill walk by and you catch the face

(46:59):
and it's clearly not her, butyou know it's it's it's so it's so
fun. Anyway. I love that, love that stuff. But and I
love Serena so um. Elizabeth Montgomerypassed away on May eighteenth, nineteen ninety
five. She was only sixty two, and she had cancer um possibly colon
cancer that spread to her liver.I'm not I'm not sure, but she

(47:22):
I guess you know. She diedonly eight weeks after being diagnosed, because
she apparently had ignored her symptoms whileshe was filming something yeah, and kind
of delayed going in to see somebodyabout it, and they said there was
nothing that they could basically do forher, so she just went home.
She didn't want to dine a hospital. Yeah, I think she was.
I think yeah. It was theend. It was morphine only they just

(47:44):
gave up treatment and she had liketwo days and said, I want to
go home. And as it soundedto me like there was a I don't
want to I don't want anyone withme when this happened. So they kind
of sat outside the room and ithappened, and they were they were told
after it happened. So her wishto wish to now have anyone with her
at that moment, I guess,is what it sounded like. But Elizaeth

(48:05):
Montgomery died at twelve thirty Benedict CanyonBoulevard. That was that was her address
on Benedict Canyon Boulevard. Elizabeth Montgomerydied across the street from John Ridder's house.
It was twelve or five Benedict CanyonBoulevard. So, um huh.
I'm not saying I'm just saying thecurs of Benedict Canyon. So rest in

(48:29):
peace, Elizabeth Montgomery. Yeah.So next, of course, we have
to talk about dick Yorke, whowas the first Darren Stevens, the first
actor to play her husband on it, which he was nominated for an Emmy
four she was she was nominated forfive Emmy's. Yeah, there were some
serious nominations going on with this showand wins. Yeah, yeah, totally.

(48:52):
Um so he um. I thinkwhat's most interesting about him, the
reason he was replaced is really atragic story and all about kind of the
ruining of his life to some extent. Years before he did Bewitched, he
was in a film called They Cameto Cordura with Gary Cooper and Rita Hayworth,
and this was in nineteen fifty nine, and while filming it, according

(49:15):
to him, it was the lastshot of the day on the second on
the second to last day of filming, and he and Cooper were using one
of those railroad hand cars you kindof crank up and down, and while
doing it, I think the actoryelled, he said, the actor yelled,
cut, and some extra reached upand put his hand on the crank
as he was lifting it up,and so it ended up being a different

(49:37):
weight than what he was expecting,and he tore the muscles in his back
and caused it basically a permanent backinjury to himself as a result of that
move. It was just a freakaccident, all right. I gotta think
that one through because if the ifthe I know what you're talking about.
It's like a teeter totter thing,right, and somebody's pushing, but it's

(49:58):
never a blifting. It's always apush. Or maybe it was. Maybe
he's just I don't know how hesaid it, but he was pushing down.
But whatever was exactly what you mean. There was more resistance on the
move than what he was expecting tohappen, and he ripped his back,
He ripped his muscles. So hequote he quote said that was the start
of it, all the pain,the painkillers, the addiction, the lost
career um and he said his spinehealed incorrectly. So he had back issues,

(50:23):
you know, going into the show. And they just got progressively worse
and worse and worse as the firstfew seasons bore on um to the point
where by season five they were Ithink they were writing, you know,
scripts for him to be seated orlaying down just so he wouldn't have to
be on his feet as much.And then finally you know in in Well
in the season five he couldn't doit anymore. Yeah, they did,

(50:45):
like there's there's I don't know xamount of none Darren episodes where he was
away on business and sure they wouldtalk about him, but there was there
was no Darren. And I rememberreading that that they had we like when
they were making the a of Oz, the ten men couldn't sit down with
his makeup on, so they theyfilled a platform so when he wanted the

(51:05):
rest that he could just lay leanback. Yeah, and they had one
for Dick York because he had sucha problem with standing after a while.
And uh, and there was oneepisode, I guess there was an episode
it sounded like, um, hepassed out, Dick Yorke did and on
the set and Asher said, youwant to you want to you want to

(51:27):
stop it now? And I thinkit was like do you want to stop
this episode now? But it wasan agreement that do you want to stop
being on this show now? Andhe was like, yeah, I think
it's time. He had I thinkhe was like climbing up on scaffolding or
something for the show and he hadan episode. Next thing he knew,
he was on the floor basically,Yeah, they were all standing around him.
Yeah. And he was also,um, you know, he was

(51:50):
in a couple. I think hewas in like a fantasy island or something
after he was in one or twodifferent things after it Bewitched. But he
he'd been married to his wife forthirty plus years and her, the wife's
mother, passed away and they wentto Rockford, Michigan, and lived in
Rockford, Michigan for the last partof his life. And he was a

(52:10):
three pack a day smoker, sohe had emphysema. And I remember he
would show up in interviews with thisthis thing around his nose, uh,
you know, and and the mostchipper nice you know, like not like
not morose, not because I thinkthey were on welfare for a while,
Dick York was, I mean,um, yeah, because he was making

(52:32):
only like four grand a week forBewitched, for our per episode, I
think it was. But I don'tknow. Residuals and royalties weren't a thing
yet, I don't. I don'tthink so much back then. And um,
so he ended up spending his lastyears in Michigan, and he was
an activist and he would uh hewas. I remember, uh, he

(52:52):
used to be a frequent guest onthis show that I used to listen to,
this Johnny B radio show in Chicago, and he would always he'd raise
money or he raise m He donatesleeping backs to homeless people, and he'd
raised money for to feed homeless people. And I remember he there was a
thing you this is probably not onyour radar at all, but there was
a thing in the eighties there wassome whales trapped in the ice. And

(53:15):
I forget where this was near theNorth Pole and I'll ask or something like
that, but it was just theyhad the world's attention for a while that
there was this little hole of iceand these whales were trapped there and they
couldn't get him out. And dickYorke was a big, you know,
proponent of raising the money to getthat done. So he was, you
know, for being a guy thatwas down physically, big time down physically,

(53:37):
remained really optimistic and active and causesthat that was that's pretty didn't let
him bring him down mentally and emotionally. Yeah. Yeah, And he also
kicked his drug habit. I supposedlyhe kicked. He finally he went cold
Turkey for like six It took himsix months. Yeah, you know,
torture agony basically to kick the painkillerhabit. It's quite you know, four
thousand all he said, four thousanda week or an episode four episode.

(54:00):
That's I mean, I just lookedit up. That is thirty four grand
today. It's not you know,back then it was a decent amount of
money. Yeah, it's just Ithink a lot of these guys, they
at least actors, they just didn'tI don't they had bad business management and
they didn't put the money away,or maybe in his case, his career
ended before he planned on an ending, so that that was the problem.

(54:22):
I don't know. They never dospend it. Yeah, he had a
house. I know. The housethat he had was on scenic right off
Beachwood Canyon. So it wasn't likea crazy, you know, mansiony house.
It was right off. It wasright off like Franklin right about Franklin.
Um sure, but uh but yeah, I guess that was it.

(54:43):
But that was like Battle Legosi.You know, here's your you know,
your fifty grand for being in theshow. The end. You know what
else it also, you know,he had drug and medical issues that's gonna
stuck up a lot of obviously,and it wasn't in syndication so until much
later. So yeah, but hewas everyone's favorite Darren. You know,
everyone pretty much thinks he's he wasthe best Darren of the two. Yeah,

(55:06):
it seems like people, to atleast the fans, did not like
Dick Sargeant as much in the role, which is ironic because Dick Sargent was
offered the role first and refuge.So so Dick Yorke passed away in February
twentieth, nineteen ninety two, onlysixty three years old, from emphysema or
complications from emphysema. M Yeah,he's buried in Michigan too, which always

(55:30):
really surprised me. It's like Michigan, but yeah, that's where he is.
So you're from Michigan, I know, but he's on the other side
of You're like, but I'm notgonna be buried there. Well, I
do have a great in Michigan too, but um, the dicks, so
that both of the dicks were reallyyou know, I used to hate the

(55:50):
fact that they wouldn't let her useher witchcraft. I used to hate that.
You know, It's like, howfun is that to have somebody around
to do that and he's forehead man, both on the same team. Yeah,
remember mom, that was her mom'sconstant gripe was witchcraft. Yeah yeah,
that that she wasn't allowed to useit. Yeah. So. Um

(56:12):
So, Dick Sargent replaced York afterYork had to leave for the health reasons
to play the husband Darren Stevens.And to your point, he originally turned
the role down to begin with,so he was originally their first choice,
so it makes sense they went backto him when they needed a replacement.
And he was born into an entertainmentfamily. His mother was a silent film
star a bit parts and his fatherwas a business manager in Hollywood was Douglas

(56:37):
Fairbanks business manager and Eric von Straheim. Um. So he was born into,
you know, a connected entertainment family, which I'm sure didn't didn't hurt.
And he was in Operation Petticoat withCarry Grant, the Ghost and Mister
Chicken with Don Knots. That's gotto be our Halloween episode this year.

(56:58):
Oh my god, it's one ofmy favorite movies in the world. I
love that movie so much. Andall the characters should be witched here in
it. You know that great?Oh my god, I love that movie
so much. That should be ourlive watch. You know that should be
our we should we should watch that. That would be great. I loved

(57:21):
the incredible mister Limpett when I wasa kid. I thought that was like
the best movies ever with Don Knots. So I'm on on board with it.
Um. And he was also andLive a little Love with Elvis,
bringing things back around full circle tothe beginning. Interesting um guest appearances and
tons of shows like what we've beensaying. He was an I Dream.
Coincidentally, he was in I Dreamof Genie, Ozzie and Harriet Three's Company,

(57:44):
Charlie's Angel, The Love Boat,Uh Taxi, Different Strokes, Murder.
She wrote, La law et cetera, et cetera. You mean you
look at the stuff that guests started, and it's like almost every show from
the seventies and eighties. Yeah,yeah, So I think it was surprised,
and in fact I got the movieout, so I'm gonna watch it
later on. He was in Hardcorewith with George C. Scott, which

(58:07):
is this this movie? It wasin seventy nine, where George C.
Scott finds out that his daughter wasin a hardcore porn movie and the whole
idea is this like this this noir, you know, thriller kind of movie,
drama movie. And I'm like,Dick Sargeant was in there. I
forgot so I'm gonna watch it againtonight just to just to see. But
they're saying that was that was,you know, one of his uh dramatic

(58:30):
roles, which I'd never even knowhe did, because he's always been that
same guy, you know, wheneveryou see him. Do you know what
his birth name was, Darren what? No, No, his birth name,
because Dick Dick Sargent was a stagename. His birth name was Richard
Cox. Really, so he wasborn Dick Cox, Dick Cox, and

(58:54):
so he takes the stage name andkeeps the dick and who doesn't ladies in
terms, which so apparently though hisname, that stage name came from there
was a famous artist who did thesevery normal Norman Rockwellest Saturday Evening post covers
whose name was Richard Sergeant. That'swho he took his stage name from.

(59:15):
Interesting. Wow, that's yeah,that's sort of unusual choice. But there
are so um you know. Also, I was never a fan, but
apparently he was in two seasons ofDukes of Hazard. Uh oh really yeah,
he played a sheriff and Dukes ofHazzard a sheriff, not the sheriff.
But but yeah, that's so,that's what I anyway, But yeah,

(59:37):
interesting, but there you are,for the love of Dick um So.
Yeah, So he came out inninety one and um, I think
he'd had one of former partner whohe never revealed, who had died in
the seventies, I think from somehealth issues and then UMU was with someone

(59:59):
else for you know, a longterm relationship when he when he died,
Yeah, I thought I know thatthere was when he was towards the end,
I think they thought they were assumingthat it was age related because he
had lost so much weight and uhand that just wasn't the case. Not
that he needed defending of that,but it just wasn't he I think it's

(01:00:20):
he he went public with the prostatecancer, but everyone thought, you know,
oh, because it was at thetime, you know, it was
still it was relevant and his quoteabout it what kind And he died just
you know, three years after hecame out, so it would have been,
you know, definitely on his mindthat people would be thinking that.
His quote was I don't have AIDSI am. I am HIV negative,
but if I did, I wouldwear that badge as proudly as everybody else

(01:00:42):
who has it. HM. I'veheard that the reason he came out is
because someone was going to sell thestory to the tabloids, and he was
sort of gonna, you know,cut it off, do it before,
you know, take away the powerof the gossip by just owning it.
And I think those but Montgomery hada lot to do with the public embracing

(01:01:05):
that. They didn't they do?Uh. I know they did a Roseanne
episode where they switched the Becky's.They did at Roseanne Reunion and it was
literally a bewitched reference about the Darrensand I forget what it was, but
oh interesting it was. It wasit was exactly the same thing that the
Beckys and getting rid of the dicksare switching. Switching the dicks. Well,

(01:01:30):
that will never get old for me. Um so uh. He died
on July eighth, nineteen ninety four. Um And Elizabeth Montgomery died less than
a year later. Um And hewas only sixty four and it was prosay
cancer. Oh gossip, though I'veheard a rumor alleged. Note this is

(01:01:52):
not a fact. I heard that, Uh that Dick Sergeant and Tony Perkins
had a thing going on. Ohinteresting, yeah him, Yeah, that's
the goss. I wonder what tabHunter would have thought of that? Yeah,
I wonder so rest in peace,Um, Dick Sargent, the Dicks

(01:02:12):
r I p um all right,the one and only Agnes Moorehead who played
Indoor Samantha's mother, who had abouta story to a career in Hollywood as
a person, show business as aperson could have started starts out early in
life as a principal player in OrsonWells as Mercury Players theater Company stars with

(01:02:36):
them in the radio show The Shadow, the Famous you know, one of
the fa famous radio shows ever.Um, and then is his character's mother
and Citizen Kane like and this.One of my favorite movies as a kid
was the Charlotte's Web animated movie andshe played a goose in it. That
was later late in her career.What are you talking oking about? I
love that movie. What are youtalking talking about? Tubble double I double

(01:03:00):
F double lie. I love that. Apparently you talk about people getting tired
of the show. She did wasnot crazy about the show. Obviously she'd
done. You would look at whatelse she had done in her career in
doing this kind of what she mean. She referred to the scripts as hacky
or like hack scripts, and comeon, they were compared to what she
had done before. And she kindof took the show not thinking it was

(01:03:22):
going to be successful, and thenwas kind of trapped by the show's success.
Hated the scripts, but then youknow, it made her more famous
than she'd ever been before, andshe got six Emmy nominations out of it.
Yeah. I don't think she wasever nasty about it. I think,
like it was in Montgomer, justbored with it. But she was.
She played along with the crazy makeupand the crazy outfits, and so

(01:03:45):
I don't think because she was inalmost every episode two, along with Elizabeth
Montgomery most more than the Darren's Ithink she had apparently had a contract where
she would only be in seventy fivepercent of the episodes. Oh, she
would at least have some free time, yeah, to do other things and
not be doing this around the clock. Wow, suppose, but a lot.

(01:04:05):
She is so good. She's sogood. I mean, you know,
if it was, I mean,yeah, it's got to be weird
to be that accomplished. I mean, hush, hush, sweet Charlotte.
And and um and sorry, wrongnumber was another radio show which is really
good. Actually that's on YouTube andif you listen to that one, Ellen's
that one's an insane radio show.Uh with with her she was in The

(01:04:28):
Conqueror, that famous film, Uhthat it was Howard Hughes film. I
think we're all yeah, with allthose people die to cancer they were filming
it, like where they were nuclearbomb testing and stuff. It's interesting,
like forty one percent of the crewgot cancer after you know what, through
through during their life the rest oftheir lifetimes after that. So it's kind
of recurred referred to as a cursebecause supposedly they filmed near you know,

(01:04:51):
nuclear testing sites in Utah. Yeah, but it's also I guess kind of
been. It's been a little bitdisproven and the the rate of cancer was
not beyond what the norm would befor that many people because of Twitter and
some people worked on the movie.And yeah, yeah, but that's I
mean, that's that's significant though,especially that was early on too. I

(01:05:13):
mean those guys died, you know, in the seventies, Edgins, Moorehead
and John Wayne died in the eightiesI think, And so they died young,
a lot of them. Yeah,so uh yeah, And it's much
like well, much like a lotof things are attributed to it. So
I'm sure there's some stretches in therefor sure. But but yeah, but
she was and she had remember thattwilight zone she was in with the with

(01:05:35):
the aliens that landed there were therewere the tiny aliens. That was a
good one. She was a lotof these people were in good twilight zones.
Magnificent Amberson's dark passage she was in. And uh and also now her
family were really devout Christians. Theyshe was raised by an altar Christian like
preacher family, and she had aranch in Ohio and she and eventually that's

(01:06:00):
it just gets unusual of all theplaces, she ended up being buried back
in Ohio. I went to hergrave fairly recently too, and I was
like, why how did you endup here? But she had a ranch
in Ohio where she was actually from, and that's why she ended up back
there. And there's the rumor thatshe was a lesbian and that she had

(01:06:24):
an affair with Debbie Reynolds. That'salways been the rumor. Now I knew
a guy. There's a guy Iknow by the name of Bose Hadley who
wrote a book called Hollywood Lesbians,and almost every woman that he spoke to
basically admitted to him that they werelesbians. But you know, they're all
dead now, so there's no wayyou can. You can you could prove
it, but uh but he healuded. He said straight out that she

(01:06:47):
that she was. Um. Idon't necessarily agree with that, and I
know that Debbie Reynolds took exception tothat. Of course she would. But
I remember Carrie Fisher when when EddieFisher wrote his book, his tell all
book, that Carrie Fisher his daughtersaid I'm gonna have my DNA fumigated after

(01:07:09):
that because the book is so soreally vulgar and and and he brought out
the whole lesbian Agnes moorehead think thatthat Debbie Reynolds was had an affair with
her. They were close, veryvery very close, but they weren't lovers.
I don't Apparently Paul Lynde was creditedwith being one of the main purveyors

(01:07:30):
of that rumor. He talked aboutit a lot, and I think at
one point said everybody the whole worldknew she was gay or something like that.
Um. But yeah, Debbie Reynoldsdenied it, and I know others
close to her denied it, includingI think I read somewhere that she had
an assistant or somebody that worked forher, I think that was gay,
and was like, no, hesaid she wasn't. And they basically blamed
it on Paul Lynde just spreading rumors. Yeah, Eddie Fisher though he did

(01:07:54):
because I would. Carrie Fisher.Um, she was pissed, I know,
because she told you know, shesaid I was gonna say, hey
when I sund I dropped these thingslike I you know, I'm friends with
them. I wasn't, but shedid. When I talked to her about
it the book, she goes,this is my mother. He's telling you
know, my father is writing thesethings about my mother. And she was
really really angry about it. AndTodd Fisher I listened to his book recently,

(01:08:17):
Debbie's Son and Uh and talks indate in great detail about the Agnes
moorehead relationship and how close they were, and there was some screwed up stuff
at the end of her life.She was Debbie Reynolds was supposed to be
the executive tricks of the estate,and some other family got in and got
everything and et cetera, et cetera. Was an ugly, ugly aftermath after

(01:08:39):
she passed away. But but butit's just yeah, it's sort of sad
because you don't really hear her talking. Talk about her being along with men
too much, you know, butthat doesn't mean anything. She just might
not have been interested. But yeah, not everybody who's not in dating that's
to be gay. She called herPelind called her one of the one of

(01:09:01):
the bull Dikes or something. Didn'the didn't he that's right, that's right,
something like that. Yeah, Paulinwas a nasty drunk, though funny
guy, but a nasty drunk.Yeah. Um. Agnes Moore had passed
away on April thirtieth, nineteen seventyfour. She'd been in kind of failing
health for years. I think shewas she was seventy three, and I

(01:09:21):
think her eventual cause of death wasuterine cancer. Yeah, so again that
you know that conqueror cancer curse.Um. And interestingly, her mother outlived
her by sixteen years. Her motherlived to be one hundred and six and
um she left you know, provisionsin her will to take care of her
mother because you know, she knewshe was she was dying and her mother

(01:09:41):
wasn't. And I think her motherwas really her only person, you know
that she left behind in her estate. There had been a son, but
not really a son. I guessthat she didn't consider a son, but
she'd had a foster son that shehad had lived with her for a few
years, but I don't think sheever acknowledged him as being a relative of
hers, which is kind of Idon't know what the I don't know what
that story is. But yeah,her mother I lived her by sixteen years

(01:10:04):
and was taken care of by moreheads of state after she passed away.
Interesting she the house that Agnes Moorehad lived in was in on Roxbury Drive
in in Beverly Hills, get downlike two doors over from Rosemary Clooney and
the Gershwins, and Lucy was acrossthe street in peter Fall. But they

(01:10:24):
it's kind of neat because they thepeople that own Agnes Moorehead's house now decorate
it for Halloween and not in theAgnes Moorehead necessarily, like they don't have
and Dora's like sitting around, butbut they do, you know, embrace
the whole spooky sort of thing.On Halloween. You can go check or
treating at and Dora's house, whichis kind of cool. That would yeah,

(01:10:48):
yeah, I think my favorite Halloweenhouse is there's a house in Santa
Monica and the nice, fancy,nice neighborhood there and kind of north end
of Santa Monica that they have achild's jim aum in the front yard,
which is kind of unusual, likeone of those metal dome shaped ones,
like what you would see in likea playground, and they put they put
fake black crows on it, likethe birds have fun, which I think

(01:11:11):
is awesome. Yeah, that iscool. Have you been to that house
in Santa Monica that they based theBewitched House on. No, I've never
ridden. I think it's on EighteenthStreet, but it is the Bewitched House.
It's mirror image. It's on acorner eighteenth and something. But if
you look at it, I meanit's it's undeniable. It's just the mirror

(01:11:32):
image. You know, it's likeeverything that the siding and the brick,
and but it just it just fromright to left instead of that it's from
left to right. It's kind ofit's kind of funny. Well, and
coincidentally, the house that they usedfor all the establishing shots on Three's company
is in Santa Monica. Oh really, if you ever look, it's it's

(01:11:53):
a photograph that they use the samephoto throughout the entire run of the show.
Basically, they just took a pictureof a round some he found it
though. It's down in kind ofsouth center, kind of on the way
towards Venice, not far in theocean. Yeah, someone has located I
mean it's I say, it's ahouse, even though it's supposed to be
a stand in for like more ofa little apartment, you know, a
part an apartment complex. But Ithink in real life it's a house.

(01:12:14):
But yeah, someone found it.And then the Golden Girls House is just
north of east of there in Brentwood, that word, even though it's supposed
to be Florida. Yeah, andI think the Golden Girls House is still
there probably well, I probably wouldimagine so, because I think we'd heard
about it. If it isn't it, how could you tear that down?

(01:12:36):
You know, it's the hell withthe viper room. The Golden Girls House
saved the real history. Yeah,Blanche. They did a heck of a
job though, finding that house,because I really, I always really did
believe it was in Florida. Italways felt like a Florida house. And
apparently no, it's Brentwood. We'llsee Mike and Hollywood. They do things

(01:13:00):
a little different east, thing calledmovie magic. Maybe you haven't heard.
Yeah, I mean it's not toofar from OJ's house. Yeah, in
that general area. Yeah, Ithink so, yeah, oh that you
know? And um, what's herface? Um? The one it just
died? Betty White. She livedon Carmelina, which is that street that

(01:13:24):
Maryland die off of. You know, she's on fifth Helena. You know
there's like all the way to eighteenHelena's you know, there's fifth, sixth,
seventh day and Betty White was onCarmelina that all the Helenas are off
of. That's what I didn't foreverand ever, Yeah, I need did
I actually I still remember that daywe went we filmed over there, m
h without permission. It was greatyeah, you know what, I was

(01:13:47):
just talking to somebody about that.Well, these guys that it took around
the other day we went to theWonderland House and I was explaining that business,
you know, and it's like talkabout you know, you gotta be
you gotta go rogue, you gottago rogue. You have to that's my
best that's our best get ever,at least that I was a part of.
Yes, that was a hell ofa that we got to walk around

(01:14:11):
inside the Wonderland Murder House. Whenyou get an opportunity, it's like,
you know, I heard about it. It's like bam, I called you
and within an hour we were therethe nearest camera I can find and we
ran over there. You can ifyou and um and you can the videos
on YouTube if you guys look itup. We posted it. It's a
classically for the faint of heart,though it does show dead people. So

(01:14:33):
yeah, yeah, the fact,yeah, well we talked about that before,
but they used we we edited theoriginal crime scene footage that still let
the victims in it with the emptyrooms when we were in it, and
that was that was that was somethingand it was famous for being the first
time that like video video tape footagewas used to document a crime scene.
I think, yeah, was thatthe actual crime? So yeah, and

(01:14:57):
all the victims are you know thatdied or still there when they film it.
They had moved him yet, sowell, rest in peace, Agnes
Moorehead. Do we want to talkabout David White? Sure? Um.
David White played Darren Stevens's boss atthe big advertising firm that he works at.

(01:15:17):
His character's name was Larry Tate andhe was a White was a popular
character actor who did tons and tonsof guest experiences like so many of these
others were talking about. He wasalso in Brewster's Millions with Richard Pryor,
which I really cool. Yeah,And tragically, his son died in the
lockerbee bombing of pan Am flight oneh three in nineteen eighty eight, as

(01:15:41):
some was only thirty three years old, and he had previously lost his wife,
who was his son's mother. Shedied from complications after childbirth in the
fifties. Yeah, that's a kindof a tragic personal life, Yeah,
for sure. Yeah, it's funny. You know, I don't He's not
one of those characters that I lookedback lovingly, you know. He was

(01:16:02):
he was so skeasy on the showand um and uh and uh but most
people agree that, you know,his son's death really did it for him
as as it would uh yeah,completely so uh yeah, so I think
his wife didn't die in childbirth,but very closely afterwards, I think and
uh so yeah sad but um andhe and he's that very famous episode of

(01:16:28):
the Witch Word and Dora sculpts Darrenand Larry Tates, uh busts their heads,
not their bust but they're just theirheads. And they creep me the
heck out when they would turn andtalk and that was so scary and um
and uh and he ended up gettingthat prop and putting it. It's in
his grave. I mean, that'shis niche at Hollywood Forever as that heat
and uh yeah, because he diedso you're the kindred trauma for you for

(01:16:55):
from that show is part of hismemorial, which you know, and even
kind of weirder is that he ittook him a long time to be several
years after he died, he wascremated and he and his son are together
in this niche at Hollywood Forever.O. Well before they were put there.
I bought my niche there, andmy niche is two down and three

(01:17:16):
over. So I bought mine andthey got there's later. And that head
is right above my niche at Hollywoodforever. So so my kinder trauma is
going to be above me for allof eternity. M David White passed away
on November twenty seven, nineteen nineties, so just a couple of years after

(01:17:39):
his son died. He was seventyforty. He had a heart attack.
Um, since we just talked aboutthe Larry take character, his wife was
played by Irene Vernon HM and forvery only for the first season. Yeah,
And there's an interesting story here thatI really want to into and I

(01:18:00):
couldn't find anything else about it aboutwhy she left. But what happened was
there was the lead producer and headwriter on the first season of Bewhich,
who I think maybe it's somewhat creditedfor having a lot of you know,
obviously a lot of creative input andhow the show came out was a guy
named Danny Arnold, and he leftthe show after the first season. And

(01:18:25):
the unofficial story is that Irene Vernonthen, who played the wife of Larry
Tate, was fired because she wasclose friends with Danny Arnold, and I
think there was whatever reason he leftwas not was bad blood or something,
and she was kind of asked toleave the series by Montgomery and Asher and

(01:18:45):
was kind of forced out, althoughI think the official thing was that she
was she needed to take time offto take care of her husband who was
sick. So and Danny Arnold,the writer and producer the left. He
went on a decade later. Hehad a long storied career. I think
he got the WGA Lifetime Achievement Awardin nineteen eighty five. He created the
Barney Miller series eight years later,so he had a huge but he was

(01:19:09):
apparently a very difficult, kind ofa difficult person to work with. I
think the word determined bipolar was droppedhim one of the things I was reading
about him. So I'm really fascinated. I would love to know the inside
story of why Danny Arnold left andhow that also led Irene Vernon having to
also leave after that. Yeah,first season, and at that point though
it was probably it was just astupid show. Nobody knew anything about it.

(01:19:30):
You know, it was only onfor one year so at that point,
so I mean I'm not dismissing that, but it's like, well,
you know, you're not welcome hereanymore, or you can stay and we'll
make your life really miserable. Youknow, they might have been invited,
if she might have been invited toleave, or may have left on her
own volition. But and then wegot the lovely Casey Rogers. Yes,

(01:19:53):
so Irene Vernon passed away on Apriltwenty first, nineteen ninety eight. She
was seventy six from congestive heart failureand coronary artery disease. M So rest
in peace, I mean, andyes, she was replaced in the same
role by Casey Rodgers, who tookover the part of Larry Tate's wife and
ran and had that totally you knowfor the rest of the run of the

(01:20:13):
series. Yeah, yeah, shewas well. Thus the portrait behind me
this is from one of the episodesof which it was. It was an
episode where and Dora put a curseon Darren. That or no, Samantha
was wanted to be an artist.No, Darren wanted to be an artist.
I think it was anyway, Darrenpainted a portrait of Louise Tate.

(01:20:35):
It was actually and Dora that madeit look really good, and Larry Tate
saw it and brought his wife overto see it in the meantime, and
Doris switched it over to this one, so it was it's called the Goofy
Louise Tate uh and uh and soI had this one made for Troy a
couple of years ago for Christmas.So it actually does have a proper place

(01:20:57):
of honor in our home. Weknow, it's not like stuck away somewhere.
It's featured. So if you're not, if you're if you're not watching
the video version for this episode,Scott has had this painting on display over
his shoulder. Um, and itis a very wonky looking Louise Tate with
the cross eyes and the funky teethand yeah, goofy Louis. Where do

(01:21:21):
you have it on display in yourhouse? Well, it's in their family
room, so you know the rumpestrooms. Yes, So if you're coming
off the patio, that's the paintingis heading straight and looking right at you.
So well one of the eyes isyeah. Yeah. Her stage name

(01:21:44):
because Casey Rogers is not her birthname. She was born Josie Rogers.
Her stage name was because I guessas a kid she was good at baseball,
so the kids started calling her Casey, you know, for the Casey
at the Bat poem. And lateron a manager you know, recommended that
she you know, changed the seato a K and go by Casey Rogers.
So that's what she did. AndI remember she was she started because
when she started, she wanted tolook like the original one. And she

(01:22:10):
was wearing a black wig for along time and then Asher said, what
are you wearing that wig for?She said, well, you told me
too. He goes, no,no, do what you you know,
just look normal. So she left. She put the took the wig off
after that. But yeah, itwas like a Serena wig. I mean
it was really dark and it didn'tlook you know, but sixties wigs never
did look good and uh and uhyeah, so she went natural. For

(01:22:32):
the last couple of years of Bewitched. You know, Luise Tate was not
a huge character. You know,she was the wife of a side character
basically right right right, But youknow, after everyone dropped dead, it
was you know, her, CaseyRogers and Bernard Fox. She played Doctor
Bombay and Sandra Could played We're goingto talk about these others that we're doing

(01:22:55):
the conventions. Same with Aaron Murphydoing all the Bewitch conventions, so it
was kind of She also wrote severalbooks on cooking and crafting, and I
think one of them was called theBewitched Cookbook Magic in the Kitchen. So
there you go, there you are. Don't don't quit the hit. You
get some milk out of that turnup or whatever the hell expression is.

(01:23:16):
You know, but well, inthe seventies, was an early proponent of
female motocross racing, which I thoughtwas interesting and founded a founded uh that
organization? She was found an organizationfor female motorcycle racers. Wow, yep,
who knew? Who knew that?Wikipedia? Wikipedia? Somebody told me.

(01:23:42):
Somebody said that they went up toher at an autograph show. A
friend of might told me this andsaid to Casey Rogers, you are the
glue that held that show together.And she was like, thanks, that

(01:24:02):
sounds so terrible. It's not somean. I mean, she was she
was people's best friend and stuff likethat. So she was very into cooking
and crafting, and she actually triedto get a crafting show going at one
point that never got took off.I don't know what that was going to
be. But she should have beena hit on YouTube, you know,
really totally yeah. But unfortunately shepassed away on July sixth, two thousand

(01:24:23):
and six. She was eighty.She died from a stroke and I be
theere She's at Forest Lawn, HollywoodHills. Oh God, what is it
now? It's just it started comingto me now I should know this.
I should know this aff time.And there was an episode of a show.
Gosh, I should I should beresearching a train now. At the
end of the show whatever it was, Casey Rogers and Bernard Fox, who

(01:24:45):
were the only characters that were leftfrom Bewitched at that point, blew up
the Bewitched house at the end ofsome show. God, what was this?
I got to look it up rightnow, but it happened. We're
looking things up live people. Iwant to buy that Bewitched cookbook now I
cook you know what I have it, I'll give it to you. Oh
I would love that. I wouldlove I would love to exchange it.

(01:25:09):
Yes, So an episode of HomeImprovement, Casey Rogers, Sandrac Goold and
Um and Bernard Fox blew up theBewitched house. I mean didn't really do
it, but they went to theback lot that weren't a ranch to the
Bewitch set and much like you knowit just they whatever movie magic, television

(01:25:30):
magic, blew up the Bewitched House. Um yeah, and you know the
Bewitched House is going to be torndown soon. You know, it's the
one in Santa Monica. No,no, the one, the TV one
that's on the war ranch. Theyit's where the Friends fountain wise and they've
they've moved the Friends Fountain now tothe Warner Brothers down the street and all

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that that whole street is going tobe demolished for more sound stages. So
the Bewitched House, the idream ofGenie House, the Partridge Family House,
which was also the Kravitz House,uh, and the stuff that was using
the music man and you know,just all these cool television houses, um
are all gonna be torn down now, which is very very sad. But

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I wish I could have the BewitchedHouse. I got to do it one.
I got to drive through the lot, the back lot the Warner Ranch
in my car and pull up intothe Bewitched driveway and get out and go
into the front door of the Bewitchedhouse. It's like, I wish I
would have got down video. ButI do have a picture of my car
in the Bewitched driveway, which waswhich was pretty cool. That's also yeah,

(01:26:41):
that's that's all gonna be torn down. But the address was eleven sixty
four Morning Glory Circle was the Bewitchedaddress. There you go, Yeah,
you're like so. So Casey rospassed away on July sixth, two thousand

(01:27:01):
and six. She was eighty andit was a stroke and she is at
Forest Lawn, Hollywood Hills, allegedlyRP Casey Rogers. So Alice Pierce played
the nosy neighbor Gladys Kravitz and Irewatched, you know, part of season
one again before we did this,and she was my favorite character. I

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loved her. She's the nosy neighborand she sees what's going on, but
nobody believes her, and she's treatedlike she's crazy, which I think is.
I think it's hilarious, the wholebits with her husband and everything,
and I think it's I think it'sone of them our entertaining parts of the
show. Interestingly, she opposed supposedlyturned down the role of Grandmama in the
Adams family. Okay, I cansee that. I can see a lot

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of crossover back and forth of charactersand actors, you know, a bunch
of Yeah, another one of thoseactors or actresses at a show up in
every single show at all, youknow, of every sixties show. But
and what a face I mean.She she had the face for comedy,
you know what I mean? Shethe sour Lowe. Yeah, pulling those

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expressions like like like crazy. Shewas. She was a great Gladys Kravit.
She really was um. And shehad a tragic story. She apparently
already knew that she had terminal cancerwhen she took the role before the first
season even filmed, and she keptit a secret. And she had ovarian
cancer. And so she died abouta year and a half into the show's

(01:28:30):
run on March third, nineteen sixtysix. She was only forty eight years
old. And she won a posthumousEmmy two months after she died, And
I thought this was interesting. ElizabethMontgomery and her husband William Asher, gave
her husband a job directing Bewitched aftershe died, because he had been a

(01:28:50):
director and it supposedly kind of puthis career on hold, you know when
she got sick to kind of takecare of her. Huh interesting, really
nice if that's true. Yeah forsure. Wow, yeah, I didn't
know that. Well, the actressdied as as you just said. And
then for a few episodes they werethey didn't they didn't know what to do

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with it with the character, sothey brought in this Mary Grace Canfield,
who was another sixties staple who toplay Abner kravitz sister for a few episodes
until they decided to replace the characterwith a new missus Kravitz. So it
wasn't for very many episodes that shewas in there, but then she became
famous for being Ralph on Green Acresone at the Handyman Ralph and Alf.

(01:29:36):
So yeah, and then they broughtin Saunder Gould, who was again one
of those people that was in abillion different things during Mcgeenie, I Love
Lucy, also the ghost of MisterChicken, and and she well, they
say that Alice Ghostly was offered therole of missus Kravitz. First, Alice
Ghostly, who ended up playing asMorelda the Maid. So here's what's weird.

(01:30:00):
Alice Ghostly, who played Esmeralda TheMaid originally played the Tate's maid next
Door I'm Bewitched, So Alice Ghostlywas turned down the role of Gladys.
Kravitz took the role of the maidfrom the Larry Larry and Louise Tate.
And then when Marian Lorne, whoplayed Aunt Clara, died on the show,

(01:30:28):
then Alice Ghostly was given the partof Esmeralda to basically be the same
character. It's confusing because they're allinterchangeable. So and so was offered this
role, turned it down, endedup getting this role. This one died,
We're bringing in this one, youknow. It was like chess pieces.
But Sandra goold God. I raninto her at one of those autograph
shows and she was just cramming asubway sandwich in her face and just cramming

(01:30:54):
in her face. I started talkingto her and I told her what I
did, and she started spitting atme, like Howking music because he usually
have me on your tour as aguest. And it was like this spraying
subway sandwich all over me. Nicelady, don't get me wrong, but
those things are so bizarre. Imean, those autograph shows are great.

(01:31:15):
I mean I went in one andthe chicken plates snow white. Adriana Casolatti
was, you know, smoking acigarette in the bathroom, you know,
eating and it's like, you knowthis. I helped Kevin McCarthy like pee
once because he couldn't get around verywell. This is a guy that it
was invasion of the body snatchers.He was in the accident with Montgomery Clift
and and Kevin McCarthy, and Iwas helping him pee. Because that sounds

(01:31:36):
so nice. I don't mean thatto be mean. I don't. It's
just these are the situations you endup in in Los Angeles. The weirdest
things happened to you, and you'regonna go You're not gonna believe what just
happened to me. And I knowwho is your co host in Hollywood Death
Trip? Hello Haaris. Yeah.She talked about going to them and how
she her shoulder always smells like boafter every one of them because she's tiny,

(01:32:00):
she's short, and everybody puts theirarm around her shoulder and she ends
up with all it's like a hundredarmpits on her shoulder. That's right.
She said she has special convention clothesbecause because yeah, people are always touching
you and yeah she was such atiny girl. Yeah, that's funny.
But I love those conventions. Ilove those conventions. God, I got

(01:32:23):
to talk to so many amazing people. I mean, Casey Rogers and Bernard
Fox and Sandra Gold and all thesepeople, you know, the guy Jan
from Jan and Dean and I've metso many cool people at these places.
It's so neat anyway. Yeah,and I mean I met I met Lana
Clarkson at one right before she wasd by Phil Smith. Yeah, it's

(01:32:44):
crazy, Well we should you doing? What was it for? We?
Um? She was at a conventiondown by Lax And it was right after
I'd moved to La. I hadn'tbeen her for very long, and I
was I was working on a microbudget vampire movie that never got finished,
and at one point they needed justa scream queen day player bit part and
they knew about her, and some and one of the producers went to

(01:33:08):
this convention and met with her andgave her the script and talked to her.
She's very nice, shook the scriptand she apparently was interested. And
then, um, we didn't hearfrom her, and I'm the producer is
getting kind of upset that she wasn'tcalling us peck. He had seen the
news and then he called me ina panic. He was at the grocery
store and he saw the story andlike a magazine or in a newspaper there

(01:33:30):
and realized that she was who PhilSpector had murdered. And he's like,
oh my gosh, somebody's got thelost footage. So the last footage of
a lone of Clarkson is still canwell she never she never shot it.
Oh okay. That was why hewas upset, because she seemed interested.
And then we never heard from heragain, and we're trying to put her
at like, trying to schedule herto come in and do the scene.

(01:33:50):
And yeah, that's how her Iremembered. Anyways, this was, you
know, twenty years ago, butthat's how I remember it unfolding in so
um okay. So Sounder Gold diedfollowing heart surgery after a stroke on July
twentieth, nineteen ninety nine. Shewas eighty three years old. Now.
Her husband, Abner Kravitz, wasplayed by George Tobias, and George Tobias

(01:34:15):
was in Buy Cheat Sheets here,but he was in he was in Mildred
Pierce. He was in the originalHunchback of Notre Damn. Not a featured
person, you know, just oneof those people. He was in Yankee
Doodle Dandy with Jimmy Cagney. Hewas in the glass Bottom Boat Door's Day
movie in Tora Tora Tora. Imean, these are classic movies. But

(01:34:39):
everyone knows him as Abner Kravitz fromfrom Bewitched, and he did um After
Bewitch went off the air in nineteenseventy seven, there was a series for
like one year called Tabitha, andas as guests on Tabitha, both George
Tobias and Sandra gool played Kravitz's onone of the episodes, which is kind

(01:34:59):
of kind of neat that they didthat, But he himself is interesting.
He died of bladder cancer back innineteen eighty I think it was, but
I know the guy who who pickedhis body up at Cedars and he had
him in not a Hurst but ina station wagon and they were taking George
Tobias to the mortuary and they gotinto a car accident right at the corner

(01:35:24):
of Sierra Bonita and Sunset, whichis where they where Lady Gaga's dog got
you know, died, his kidnappedto put him. But so they got
into an accident with George Tobias inthe back of the of the station wagon.
They got out, left the keysin it, and somebody stole the
station wagon with George Tobias's body init, and they made it about two

(01:35:45):
blocks. So they got to SierraBonita and Franklin and realized what they did,
and they ditched. They ditched thestation wagon with Abner Kravitz's body in
it, which is which is kindof fun, I think. So.
Yeah, George Tobias's body, youknow, did not stop moving after he
died, and uh, but nowhe is. He's been buried in um

(01:36:09):
somewhere else. I am so tired. So he's buried somewhere else. I
don't know anyways, Rest in peace, Sandra Gold Gold and George Tobias and
George Tobias. Why not you gota bonus name in there. Marion Lauren

(01:36:30):
played Aunt Clara. Yeah, andI really wanted to mention this one because
it's very interesting. So Alice Piercewins an Emmy for Best for Outstanding Performance
by an Actress in the Supporting Rolein Comedy. She wins it, you
know, posthumously two months after shedies. And then Marian Lauren has a

(01:36:51):
heart attack in nineteen sixty eight atthe age of eighty four while still doing
playing the character of Aunt Clara,and ten days after she dies, she
wins an Outstanding Performance by an Actressin a Supporting Role in a Comedy Emmy,
the same award. Yeah, bothwon posthumously for the same show.

(01:37:11):
I can't imagine that that's ever happenedbefore. That's got to be a one
and only. Yeah, they hada hell of a cast, though,
you know, and there were somany people going here and there, and
you know, I mean all thosethere were a hell of a lot of
nominations on that show, you know, I think of a lot. So
but yeah, and Mary and Laurenwas so wonderful as Aunt Clara. I

(01:37:31):
mean she was just you know whatthey would say now, they'd say she
has Alzheimer's or something, you know, because I mean, you know,
she was always forgetting things, Ialways screwing up her spells and everything.
But but she's so beloved and shewas in her she made her I think
she made her her film debut andStrangers on a Train the Hitchcock movie first

(01:37:55):
movie, and I think the lastappearance that she did was in The Graduate
and she had a scene with AliceGhostly, who was as Marilda. They're
like party. I think they werelike party guests in the hotel or something
like that. Probably it's been manyyears since I've seen that movie to I
have to revisit that one. Andbut she and in real life collected door

(01:38:18):
knobs and she would bring them onthe set and they would they wrote it
into the character that she collected doorknobs. And Aaron Murphy, the Tabitha
woman told me that Marian Lore gaveher a door knob and I'm like,
really, can you bring it?Because she spoke at one of my events.
She goes, oh, I don'tknow, I lost it somewhere.
I'm like, how do these people? How can you have one of Mary

(01:38:45):
and Lauren's door knobs and nuts stillhave it? I don't understand people.
That thing would be like on avelvet pillow, you know, with a
single Like makes me crazy, howcan you not have that? But anyway,
so she was I think she wasin twenty twenty seven episodes. I
think that's a which a significant that'sa lot of episodes and uh and uh

(01:39:11):
yeah, because she was when shepassed away, it was no mention of
it on the show whatsoever. Andnext up came as Morelda, the other
sort of forgetful screwing up spells allthe time made. And Mary and Lauren
died on May ninth, nineteen sixtyeight. She was eighty four years old,
and she's buried in Ferncliff Cemetery inNew York State. Oh that's a

(01:39:34):
nice name for a cemetery. Therethere's a road down the down not too
far from me called maryon Lane,and I keep saying it's Mary and Lauren
because I liked her so much thatyou should alter the sign Mary and Lauren
Street, and they would have thatout here. See so I love they
have like Ginger Rogers Road, BobHope. I live right off Frank Sinatra.

(01:39:54):
There's Dean Martin down this street.It's such a such a buddy Rogers
and mont Hall, the police departmentson Monty Hall. I love that,
such a bizarre place. But andthen so then after Mary and Lauren came
Alice Ghostly, who was Asmeralda theMaid, who was um also famous for

(01:40:17):
being on Designing Women, which isa hilarious show that she again sort of
played the als Merelda character a bitmore wacky, bit more of a sex
fiend in a way, but innocentlyso, and a very funny, very
funny lady. So Alice Ghostly funnyenough when I did when I first moved

(01:40:38):
to la in ninety four and Iwas doing the grave Line tour, a
group of women rented our tour andum and she it was her. I'm
like, I turned around, likewhy you and she goes, oh,
yeah, and we you know,it was like it was really cool because
her sister was there too, andI mean I maintained communication with her sister,
Alice after Alice Ghostly died. Butbut it was just the weirdest thing

(01:41:00):
because you know, she did say, well, you know, what's she
gonna say, I'm Alice Ghostly.It was just a bunch of girls,
women that rented my bot and shewas one of them. And she wouldn't
take a picture with the hers unfortunately, that would have been really good.
But she's the one that told meabout Larry Tate's son dying in Lockerbie back
in the early nineties, so Ithink but she Also, it's kind of

(01:41:23):
interesting. So Alice Ghostly after Bewitchedwas over with, she ended up in
a lot of different shows. Sheshouldn't. She ended up on Designing Women,
And the guy who plays Anthony onDesigning Women, his name was me
Shock Taylor. I think I gotto talk to him in one of these
autograph shows and I started asking himabout Alice Ghostly and he said that Alice

(01:41:45):
Ghostly was a scream He says,they would be She would say something and
everyone in the cast would just startcracking up, and Alice Ghostly would be
like, what the fuck are youlaughing about? You know, like like
very deadpan. It's a really goodsense of humor. And also Paul Lynde
and Alice Ghostly were friends. Andwhat I've come to learn is that Alice

(01:42:09):
Ghostly was that original character that Paulinsort of took that kind of you know,
had had a sort of tone ofvoice that Paul Lynn sort of lifted
from Alice Ghostly. Alice. Youknow, everyone thinks Alice Goostly is like
the female paul nn, but actuallyit's it's vice versa. Paulin sort of
took Alice Ghostly's persona and went withit um and it's sort of interesting.

(01:42:33):
But Alice Ghostly was always very politeabout that. But I did ask her
about Agnes Moorehead being a lesbian andall she said was, oh, I
heard that too. And I didshow her from death but they got Yeah.
I did show her Paul Lynn's deathhouse too. She didn't give me
anything on Paulin. That would havebeen kind of cool to get more out

(01:42:54):
more on that, but it wascool to have her in the back of
my car. I wish I wouldhave got a picture, but I did
have an autograph that she did signBest Witches Alice Ghostly, which I can't
believe her name was Ghostly and shewouldn't take a picture with the hearse thank
you. I'm with you, Scott. Yeah. And she when she died,
it was in two thousand and seven. She was eighty four years old,

(01:43:17):
and she was cremated and her remainswere buried in her backyard with her
husband under an orange tree for along time, and then when the house
was sold, I guess, thankfully. I think they were in urns.
They dug him up and took himback east, and I think they're buried
in Ohio. Too, but butshe's actually and her sister now who who

(01:43:38):
I was acquaintances with, is buriedthere with her. But she, you
know, just another one of thosegreat old sixties character actresses and rest in
peace, Alice Ghostly, So thatI mean naturally leads us to Paul Lynde,
another classic sixties actor. He wasHe went to Northwestern University. His
classmates were Chloris Leech and Charlotte Rayand um and uh, Jeffrey Hunter,

(01:44:04):
Patrician Neil and he was. Therewas a show called The New Faces of
nineteen fifty two on Broadway, andthis thing launched like some major characters,
and Paulin was part of that,along with Earth the Kit and Alice Ghostly
and Uh. Eventually Paulin got thepart of mister McAfee and by by Bertie

(01:44:25):
on Broadway, and then that broughthim sort of to more national attention,
and he started getting parts on televisionand he was one of those that spending
a billion different things amunsters and alot, and he was in Son of
Flumber Flubber, Son of Flubber,Beach, Blanket, Bengo, Bill Asher
and Uh, and that's probably howhe got to the attention of William Asher

(01:44:46):
to hire him to be Uncle Arthur, but he was first on Bee which
as a driving instructor, not asUncle Arthur. But they liked him and
they brought him back, so hewas. He was one that was an
only I think ten episodes as UncleLar but again a classic actor that's almost
synonymous with Bewitched, even though hewasn't in that many wow. Oh and

(01:45:11):
also Templeton in Charlotte's Webb he wasa porch Templeton and you know Templeton,
the rat, you know the Yeah, Agnes moorehead was the goose. He
was. And he had this amazingHolly Halloween special which is on YouTube,
the Paul Lynde Halloween Special with MargaretHamilton as a witch and it's I mean,

(01:45:33):
she does the whole wicked witch thing. And that was in nineteen seventy
six. Billy Hayes who was WitchyPoo on Puff and Stuff and Donnie and
Marie were on that show as well. And an interesting story. He was
a drinker, heavy drinker, nasty, nasty drinker, like he would turn.
They said he was fine up untilabout four drinks and he would turn.

(01:45:55):
But there was an incident that happenedwith him in New York that it
was a nineteen sixty five I thinkthat he was partying or partying with some
kid, twenty four year old guy. All of us said they were he
They were horsing around, was thequote, and drinking a lot, and
it was San Francisco. Actually felloff this kid fell off the eighth floor

(01:46:15):
of a balcony of this hotel inSan Francisco. So that kind of was
a who knows what really happened,but you know, they were drinkers big
time. And also, you know, paulnn was gay, and it was
at a time where he hardly hithis homosexuality, but it probably hindered his
choices as far as work goes,which is why he was on the Hollywood

(01:46:40):
Squares as much as he was,and resented that too because it sort of
pigeonholed him literally the Center Square.Did you ever watch his show, the
Paul Inn Show, Oh, thesitcom? Yeah? What was the set
up for it? I don't evenknow. Well, it was probably just
a father you know, I rememberthere were kids, right, but sitcom?

(01:47:01):
Yeah, I think it was basicallyjust that, probably going on the
Byebye Birdie thing too, which whichfished him off when he was made when
he was in the Bybye Birdie film, because he was supposed to be the
star of it, well the yeah, basically the star of it. But
Anne Margaret, it was her firstmovie, and he was like, well,
I was the big cheese on Broadway. Uh, you know, although

(01:47:24):
Dick van Dyck was a title,it was a star. But I mean
Paul Lynn was going to be thebig deal. And then it became introducing
Anne Margaret and Paul Lynn kind ofadded ship on his shoulder about that too.
But um, but he was sayhe was a legendary drinker. And
he passed away on January tenth,nineteen eighty two. It's fifty five years
old. Had a heart attack inhis sleep, I think, was the

(01:47:46):
official ruling. Yeah, a lotof rumors about his death. A lot
of people think that say that hewas doing poppers with a with a male
prostitute, and that was always yeah, and he had a heart attack after
that. But it turns out thathe was good friends with Paul Barisi,
who was the detective. But PaulBarisi was friends with Paul Lynde and Paul

(01:48:10):
Barresi is the one who found PaulLynn's body. And they always say that,
you know, somebody was with PaulLynde when he died, but that's
not he said that. Paul Barisisaid that the house was locked and alarmed,
and when he broke into the house, the alarm went off. So
and it was when Paul Lynn likedidn't show up for a birthday party or
something, I think, yeah,I went over to check on him.

(01:48:31):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah,he was a Facebook friend of mine,
Paul Barsi, Barisi for a while. There's a rabbit hole. Look up
Paul Barresi and John Chavolta. That'llget you busy for a while. So
just a couple of other characters thatI wanted to talk about. One of
them was Bernard Fox, who playedDoctor Bombay. He was in I believe

(01:48:55):
he was in nineteen episodes with atotal of twenty nine costume changes. He
was a very famously you know,calling Doctor Bombay, calling Doctor Bombay,
emergency, come right away, andhe would show up in scuba gear or
you know, skiing with a beautifulwoman on his side and U and he
was also he did an episode ofthat Tabitha show as well, so that

(01:49:15):
you had the Kravitz as well,and he was born in Wales, Port
Talbot, Wales, which is wherepeg End Twistles from who jumped up the
Hollywood Sign. And also Anthony Hopkinsis from Port Talbot, Wales. It's
a little tiny town and I thinkShirley Bassi's from there too, and he
is. Bernard Fox was in themovie Titanic, the Big One with Leonardo

(01:49:39):
DiCaprio, but he was also inthe first one, A Night to Remember,
in nineteen fifty eight, where heplayed the guy in the Crow's nest
saying Iceberg right ahead. So BernardFox was in A Night to Remember and
in Titanic, which is kind ofan interesting bit of trivia that he was
in both the major Titanic movies.And an asked away on December fourteen,

(01:50:00):
twenty sixteen, at the age ofeighty nine years old. A quick mention
of Mabel Anderson, who played themother Darren's mother, Phyllis Stevens, who
always had a sick headache, andshe was the neurotic one that kind of
had the idea that Samantha was awitch and was never she would see stuff

(01:50:23):
kind of like like Sandra Goldwood orAlice Pears as the Alice as the Gladys
Kravitz character. She was the sisterof Jack Albertson who was Willy Wonka,
Grandpa Joe Willy Wonka and the ChocolateFactory. And she was also in Barefoot
in the Park. She was onWhat's Up, Doc. She was and

(01:50:45):
also one of those make Room forDaddy Gunsmoke Andy Griffith's show A Billion things
like that, and she died inSeptember twenty eight, nineteen eighty two,
complications from Alzheimer's. And then MauriceEvans who played Urice and Dora's ex husband,
Samantha's father who he was also inThe Tabitha Show with Lisa Hartman.

(01:51:09):
He was in Rosemary's Baby. Heplayed a warlock in Rosemary's Baby as well.
Maurice Evans died on March nineteen eightynine at the age of eighty seven.
Another accomplished like as in John Gielgoodactor classic British actor that is best
known for being on Bewitched for twelveepisodes at least two American audiences. And

(01:51:34):
then I think that's what I haveas far as the actors from b which
I think that's pretty much all ofthem. I wanted to talk quickly about
one of the artifacts that we havein our museum. So Liz Sheridan,
who was in this relationship with JamesDean for a year, which is significant.
Her nickname was Dizzy Sheridan. Shewas also signed I think Jerry Seinfeld's

(01:51:59):
mother on Seinfeld who Liz Sheard andwas a regular on SEINFELDT. And when
Elizabeth Montgomery died, Liz Sheridan gotthis wicker sete and now it's mine.
It ended up in our museum,and it was kind of funny because I
did that short YouTube series with AaronMurphy who played Tabitha, and we did

(01:52:19):
it sitting on Elizabeth Montgomery's settee,which is that's awesome. Yeah, yeahs.
I love those kind of like littlepoetic pieces of silliness. But and
we cannot finish this without about atleast addressing for just a moment, the
Bewitched movie that was made Will Ferrell. Yeah, talk about a missed opportunity.

(01:52:45):
You know, we used to play, of course, we're gays is
what we do. We used tosit in bars and drink and cast a
Bewitch movie just for conversation, andthey and Nicole Kidman was always going to
be Samantha Steve. She's perfect choice. Now instead of Will Ferrell. For
Darren, we would have had JimCarrey. I think he would have been

(01:53:05):
a very good Darren. Oh,he would have nailed it, You're right.
And for dra they had Joan Collinsin the movie. No, no,
that Shirley McClain in the movie.But Joan Collins would have been perfect
as Endorra. Those would have beenThat was our dream. Our dream cast
was those. I think Michael Cainewas fine as Maurice the Father, but

(01:53:30):
those those guys would have been good. But the whole show, I think
New York Times said it was thatmovie was an unmitigated disaster, and it's
a real shame because they had alot of opportunity to be really special.
Yeah, it was just an uninspiredscript. I think. Yeah, yeah,
we remake a movie. I don'tcare, it doesn't matter to me.
That doesn't affect the original one asfar as I'm concerned. But they

(01:53:54):
really missed the boat with that one. Yeah, it's unfortunate. But there
you are. Speaking of reboots.Did you see The West Side Story,
the new one? Did I seeit? Yeah? No, Oh,
the Spielberg. Yeah, you cansee it. No, No, I'm

(01:54:15):
not. I'm not into I'm notinto the musicals so much, so I'm
not either. But because it wasSpielberg and West Side Story, I was
in West Side Story in high school, so I had a connection. And
then the fact that the Spielberg andI did an amazing job on it.
That it's good, it's really good. But now I'm not a big musical
guy either. Anyways, I'll cutthat out. You don't have to,
because it's interesting, it's fascinating,Mike, I love talking about That's my

(01:54:38):
life. My conversations go nowhere.The last thing I guess we could talk
about, just briefly was is thethe Children bewitch to two boys the Adam.
You know, it was sort oflike the they would say jump the
shark, but be which was done. I think that last season, you
know, before it started, itwas like an obligation, We're just gonna

(01:54:59):
do this. That was like afinancially motivated almost or or maybe a um
contractually obligated. And they did havethe sun Adam and we're twin boys David
and Greg Lawrence who had turned outlater were Tony Curtis's kids that that was
announced on some talk show that theythey were The term illegitimate isn't politically correct

(01:55:25):
anymore, but they were a aproduct of an affair that Tony Curtis had,
these twin boys, and as faras I know, they're still alive.
I haven't looked, but but yeah, well they are. I did
look. They are alive. Iwould hope so there would think. You

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know, we're talking about these Didyou do you watch that WandaVision show?
You watch that? Yeah? Itwas amazing. Did you like it?
Really? I M I lost interestreally quickly in it. I know it's
not for everybody, but it reallyif you get you gotta get through the
first three episodes. It gets moreinteresting as it goes. It expands beyond
the kind of limited black and whitesitcom vibe at the beginning. It really

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it goes through the eras really fast, through the decades of television quickly after
a certain point. Yeah, Ithought, And they did do it like
an almost identical Bewitched episode, asI understand it. On one, like
they recreated the sets and everything.I think there's something like that. Yeah,
they did that in the few episodesthat I watched they did that quite

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I mean redoing the Dick van Dykeliving room and stuff like that. That
was incredible. So the amount ofdetail that they put into these things is
really incredible. But uh, butyeah, I never saw that. I
didn't make it as far as theBewitched one goes. Anyway, another another
episode down right, we did it. That's Bewitched, everybody. Yeah,

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there's I think our podcast is probablylonger than the entire season. Yeah,
it was. You can watch,Um, you can buy seasons of Bewitched
on Amazon on I want to saymaybe or on Paramount. Maybe through Amazon,
I can, I'm not exactly sure. Um, and I don't know
if it's streaming free anywhere, butyou can definitely get it on Amazon if

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you want to go back, andBewitched movie pretty easily on Oh gosh,
yeah, I think you could actuallyget it for cheaper than you could buy
a season of which for sure.They It's interesting to watch these old shows
too, because they're a product oftheir time, and you know, the
roles of husbands and wives that kindof old fashions, you know, the

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housewife and cooking dinner for the husbandand trying to know when he's going to
be home for it and all.It's interesting to watch them, and I
want to watch it. Um.I want to skip through some seasons and
get because you know, a lothappened in the world between nineteen sixty four
and nineteen seventy two when this showbegan and ended, and I would love
to go compare, you know,and contrast the last season with the first

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season, just to see how thingschanged culturally. And you know, yeah,
yeah, it's interesting that first seasonwhen you see like and Dora coming
down and she's actually very you know, sort of conservative, and she became
this clown, you know, towardsthe end. I mean, I loved
it, but it's the way thecrazy red hair and the you know,
the wild makeup, and she wasn'tlike that at the beginning. Yeah,

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I went back and watched. Um, I watched I binged all of Cheers,
Oh my god, a couple ofyears ago, which I never really
watched it. I mean, Iwas a kid when that was on and
watching a you know, a showabout adults hanging out in the bar wasn't
really my thing. But what wasreally interesting about it was that, you
know, Ted Danson's character, he'sthe lead character in it. He is

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at the beginning of the run,he's a total womanizer, and so many
of the gags you know, onhis character, his Sam Malone character.
You know, he's this ex baseballplayer womanizing guy. But as the show
progressed through the eighties and headed intothe nineties, that went away, that
went away almost completely, and becauseit was no longer cool for him to

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be, you know, a womanizer, and the misogynistic jokes went away,
and stuff that was funny in youknow, nineteen eighty two or eighty three,
we're not funny anymore by you know, the late eighties. Yeah,
it's interesting out that more so Ireally want to watch I want to watch
Bewitched and these old shows like thisthat ran for a long time, just
to see how that how the dynamicschanged and how the characters kind of altered.

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Yeah, yeah, because I seemto recall, there was a couple
of uh yeah, it's very sociallyrelevant episode just leave it at that,
and the very special episode as theywould call it. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, the after school specials.But yeah, cool stuff. Which what
a great show it was and isstill and it is still You could watch
it and it holds up. Youknow, Yeah, some shows just don't

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and that one will always and theeffects for being on a TV budget,
the effects that they had to doin every episode are not terrible. Yeah,
they're actually pretty cool. You know, she has to do a lot
of because you just do Witchcraft allthe time. And actually there was some
pretty cutting edge effects for their timethat they did with that UM stuff.
You know, we're compositing in likethe Jack and the Beanstock one is a

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good example where they have to showlarge people standing next to small people and
you know that was all done withthe probably back then like blue screen,
yeah, green screen. But yeah, yeah, they did really good job.
The cut takes were a bit choppy, but it didn't matter because it
was it was. It was great. And also the way they masked them

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with those explosions, when like majorcharacters would show up with the smoke effects
and stuff like that, that wasalways so cool. But uh, and
the split screen with UM with Samanthaand Serena is always really interesting to watch
closely because that's a that's a that'san interesting effect. I mean they did
that with two pieces of film,didn't they and spiced them together. I

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mean that's that's what they would havehad to do with the split screen,
right, I mean, yep,that's right. And uh so that's interesting.
Well, thanks everybody for joining us. Again, the world keeps getting
crazier, but we stay the samelevel, stame level. All the energy
that we started this show still thatthat day we started in El Coyote.

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It's still still got the fire.Oh yeah, thank you so much.
So thank you guys for watching.Appreciate it. And Mike, it's always
a pleasure to spend time with you. You as well, Scott, and
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