Episode 35 - The Ghost and Mr. Chicken

"You'll be scared until you laugh yourself silly" as we explore the 1966 Don Knotts horror-comedy classic "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken."

Episode Transcript

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It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuringyour host, historians Scott Michaels and filmmaker
Mike Dorsey. All right, it'sa Dearly Departed Podcast, Episode thirty five.
Can you believe it? Happy Halloween? Yeah, Happy Hallo. I

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got my candy corn hat on,dressed for the occasion at the candy that
people love to hate. I lovecandy corn. I'm one of the lovers.
Do you like circus peanuts too,I don't. I'm not well,
I mean, i'd not like Igo out and run out and buy them.
But they're all right. But candycorn, especially if you get them
with the pumpkins, Oh man,those are the best. My teeth hurt

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just thinking about it. I wonderif it's like a cilantro thing, where
like some people think cilantro tastes likesoap, there's like something about candy corn
that's um. People just their tastebuds rejected for some reason. Well,
there was a time, I mean, I when I was I mean,
I'm a sugar head, that's forsure, But there was a time when
I could just eat that stuff bya handful. But then I just you

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know, it's like circus circus peanuts. You know, I even look at
when I want to puke. Butuh, and the candy corner, could
you know, it's sort of likeit's sort of like, well, if
it's there, I have that rightright, right, it's not you're not
gonna buy it if it's if you'rein line. Yeah, right, It's
classic. And I like the wayit looks, you know. I like

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getting it when I was trick ortreating when I was Hey did when you
were trick or treating when you werea kid? Was it old? Were
you old enough to go door todoor or was it already like parties only
at that point? Oh? Yeah, we we I went door to door
all all. My growing up hereis even longer than I probably should have.
Like into junior high, we werestill going out and getting it.
By junior high, we had figuredout that if we went to like the
rich neighborhood, you could get likewhole candy bars. Yeah from some people.

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Um, you also got weird oldpeople that would give you pennies.
And I got a pomegrant at oneyear so from somebody, yeah, which
I didn't even know what a pomegranateit was. I was like twelve and
it was heavy. They would theydeserve to have that put through their window,
they really do. It was heavyenough. It weighed my bag down.
It was like having a softball inmy bag. It was crazy.
But my mom cut it open whenI got home so I could see like

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the seeds inside, so I gotto learn what a pomegranate it was.
So it was a teachable moment.But I'm sure this old lady had a
pomegranate tree in her backyard and that'sjust what she gave the kids. You
know, Yeah, give me cash, I'll take cash. It's okay.
Yeah, I mean, you cangive away pennies, but quarters those can
add up by the end of theday, you know. Um No,
I was old enough. The eightiesfor everything was scary because they thought they
were putting like razor blades and drugsand everybody's candy. But we were still

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doing it. We're still risking.Yeah. Um, I don't think we
introduced ourselves. I'm Mike Dorsey,I'm Scott Michaels and what are we doing?
One of my favorite movies of alltime, The Ghost and Mister Chicken.
I never thought there would be enough. I mean, I just love
this movie. And I sort ofkind of didn't want to analyze it because
I like it so much and Iwant to. It's like Sunset Boulevard.

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I haven't watched on Tip Boulevards sincewe talked about it because I like the
movie so much. I don't wantto. I don't want to, you
know, like I don't want tosee it all the time. I wanted
to be like when you like asong a lot, you don't want to
overplay it so you get tired ofit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But but it was fun to watchthis thing. I've watched it twice in
the last couple of days, andit's it's just it gets It doesn't get

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boring at all. I don't knowhow you felt about it, but it's
like a slice of childhood for me. And it just looks good, it
sounds good, the colors and everything. It's just it's it's it's Halloween the
way I love it. You know. It's it's not jump scares, It's
not you know, uh people gettingthere, you know, next sought open

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or something like that. You know. I just like the I like the
innocent, very haunted mansion. I'vesaid this before, but I'm a very
Haunted Mansion person. I'm not aFriday the thirteenth person. It's it's fun
spooky. Yeah. Yeah, theHalloween movies, I will feed into that,
though, I will. I haveseen them all. I just did
you see the new one? Thatthe new Halloween. I'm not a big
horror guy. No, No,I'm not eager. But I did like

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it. No, I shouldn't saythat I love I like horror movies a
lot. I do, but Ido. Yeah, I mean I like
a psychological thriller. Horror is moremy thing, yeah, more than horror.
Horror, right, I don't.I slasher movies out my thing.
Jump scar is not my thing.But there's got to be some kind of
edge to it. And uh anduh yeah so anyway, but I like

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the Halloween movie. People are reallylambasting it. But there are Halloween purists,
you know, there are Halloween youknow bananas. They're bananas some of
the people. And then good forthem. You know, everyone's got to
have a passion. But uh butyeah, I don't. I thought it
was fun. I thought it wasfun anyway cool I could have this is
I'm cracked open my like, I'mdown to about six of these Oh no,

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I know, I know, Iknow they expired over a year ago.
There has to be a plant somewherelike in like Uzbekistan or something that
is still making tabs that you canlike get a connection to, you know
what, like how Mexico kept makingVW bugs through like the eighties and nineties
even after they stopped making them.You know, the main company, like
there has to be like black markettab. Well, they do have it,

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and I guess, I guess it'sif you want to keep the patent
or the trademark on it, yougot to have it available somewhere. And
there is a cocacoa store in Vegasthat sells tab on tab but but no
cans. That's interesting. Um,so you're you're like a tab hunter.
Oh that's a good one name thatwill come up out in the name that

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will come up today in the show, everybody, we are on a spreaker
now. We moved over from podbeing with our last episode, um,
and we are on spreaker um becauseSpreaker lets us make a little bit of
ad revenue. So you'll probably heara few ads in this, but not
too many. UM. I don'tlike to overdo it. You want to
go into hate mail. Sure,hate mail. So I've collected some I've

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collected some comments and some of themare well, I'll just go into it.
Mister Michaels, I cannot understand whatyou were saying, and you speak
in such a way that captioning doesn'twork. Hire a professional speaker to narrate
your videos. We need to dubover your part of the podcast with someone
who speaks English. Scott. Obviouslyit's a good one. So um,

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all right. So the next one, let's see, this was on my
Jane Mansfield car. I did thiswhole documentary about Jane Mansfield, and you
have her death car that she wasin when she died, right, and
I went to I did the wholething. I went to, you know,
the nightclub where she worked. Iwent to the place where they stopped,
the whole route. I drove thewhole route, and we went to

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the place where the car ended upand where they Yeah, so somebody did
write in which I think is kindof funny actually that when you're when you're
a celebrity, people would keep youkeep even your fart if they could.
It's true. It is true.I didn't even know it's just like,
you know, I like that.It was pretty funny. Uh oh.

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And also in that same video,Mama Cass also died in this accident.
She was sitting next to Jane eatinga ham, eating a ham sandwich and
she chucked to death when the carsmashed up. That was clever. So
what killed her? The sandwich orthe car? Cran Good question, good
question. Answer that she just gother star on the Hollywood Walk of famecast
Elliot, Dude, isn't that first? Yeah, it's long overdue. There's

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a lot of people that don't deservestars, and it's nice that she that
she did. Yeah, another nicecomment. The dead will blight your ass,
Well he's ours, Actually, theDEVI will blight your ours for keeping
that car as a trophy. SoI guess they're going to come after me.
Well you know when you get whenyou're ask is blighted. Now you

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know why? Right the divine deathroom I did? Why give attention to
a not so divine nothing burger?People need to make Jesus their lord.
What some think is entertainment is disgusting. Your divine hotel doors like one of
my favorite things that you have inyour collection, scot and the photo of

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it on the roof of your jeepis like iconic, that is it's actually
there's a comment about that too atthe end of this which I would quite
like. I did one in GlennQuinn, you know the guy from Rosanne,
the irishman who was died of anoverdose. He was Becky's boyfriend.
And uh, you know again,I went through the whole bit. I
went to with a nightclub he ownedand everything, And I mentioned went to

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where he died, and went backto where he died, and went to
the grave, to the funeral home, in a whole bit. And I
said. The first thing he didwas one of his first scenes on screen
was giving Gwyneth Paltrow her first onscreen kiss and h and the comment after
watching this video, it's Gwyneth,not Gwyneth. But I did respond when

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he said it's Gwyneth, it's Gwynethnot Gwyneth, I wrote, it's douche.
Another comment inside the Divine Death Room, mat Man. The met comments
are the best, that they're honest. The fact that you drove down Sunset
Bull of our Divine's door strapped tothe roof of your car's possibly the most

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Scott Michael's thing I've ever heard Bravo. Yes, I think that was quite
a compliment. Actually, it's amazing. I wipe I do something Scott Michael
Z one of these days. Thatwas funny. I just never heard.
I just that's it's it's I forgetthat people even you know, pay attention
to stuff like that. So it'skind of neat to get a shout out

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in that regard because it was ridiculous. I mean it was. It was
ridiculous. Yeah, that was Wesaved it from demolition. Yeah, it's
a good thing. Oh god,we did that thing too. I had
my Dodge Colt and this back whenI took George George Burne's door from his
house when he's being demolished the closet. We didn't even strap We couldn't even

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strap it down were it was ametal top Dodge called stick shift. So
I'm holding it once a side,driving with my fate, with my knees.
My buddy Stevens got him on theother side, and I'm shifting and
we're driving through Beverly Hills. Thatwas like at like two in the morning.
That was That would have been anamazing accident. To explain Yeah,

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honestly, Yeah, that was that. We went back for a second one.
That's the thing. We went throughdoors. We went back and got
a second one. Yeah, thatwas a good story. Steve and I
had some good adventures. U.We've had some mostly positive notes from people,
people thanking us for various episodes wedid and always recommending ones um one.

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A good recommendation was Bethany messaged uson Facebook recommending an episode on River
Phoenix and I wonder if we couldn'tdo there's a bigger River Phoenix tie in,
something on the Viper Room or SunsetDeaths or something like that would be
interesting. Yeah. I went there. I mean, he's not twenty seven

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Club, but he's we could bethat twenty three club or an hour old
he was, you know, itcouldn't We can't make your own genre.
I mean we did. She wasin our first ever documentary ever, did
our first deally Departed Dockwe did that. They're about to tear that block down,
yeah boy, yeah, we shoulddo something with that. We should

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just yeah, we should do somethingsomething with that block. I did a
little video just walking around you,but it would be neat to be able
to wish we'd get access, youknow, to those buildings. They're they're
slowly I mean they're empty. Someof them are already. They're just not
renewing leases anymore. So um,yeah, that makes me too sad for
words. But but yeah, that'sa good idea. It was. Yeah,

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they're about to tear down the oldkmart across the street from the grove,
so you know, nothing's sacred anymore. My mom when she came to
Hollywood in forty seven, took there. You should be a shopping center called
Town and Country on that lot.But uh, but yeah, there was.
I've got a picture that my momtook in forty seven. Whatever,

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All right, Uh, shall weget into the main feature. It's time
for the main feature. Do Murderand Calm go together? Calm and Murder,
The Ghost and Mister Chicken starring DonNutts, the nineteen sixty six horror

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comedy film from Universal Pictures, whoalso, of course did the Universal Monsters
films, which we did a showabout and you know in the thirties and
forties, and it was neat becausethey did shoot it on Universal. I
didn't realize that street was called ColonialStreet. I had no idea that that's
what they called it. I've seenthat house, that house in a lot

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of different shows, and uh,i've see we watched Adam twelve all the
time too, or in Adam twelveand Rock Perot Files, we watched them
constantly, and that house shows upso many times in so many episodes.
And next to that house, it'sthe Munster's House, and you can't see
it in because it was popular Ithink at the time, and so they

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used big hedges to hide it.But the Munster's House is on right next
door to that Ghost of Mister ChickenHouse and they were shooting sixty six.
I believe they were shooting munsters,and but that that street ended up and
showing up in UM God it wasit was well most probably most completely and

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Desperate Housewives they use it as WistariaLane, Leave It to Beaver. The
Burbs was another one that they usedit for almost into its entirety. And
the plot of the film is there'sa mansion called an abandoned mansion called the
Simmons Mansion. That's what we're talkingabout, UM And yeah, Desperate Housewives,
I believe the same house that's usedas the mansion was Gabrielle Soulis's house
on Despero Wives, That's what Iread. It was also the down House

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in Harvey, which was, youknow, sixteen years earlier then than this
film. There was a cool house. And I think it's still there.
Um. Last time was at theUniversal Tour. I'm pretty sure it took
a picture of it. I thinkit's still there. I know the Munsters
house certainly is. It doesn't looklike it used to, but but it
is still there. Most of thehouses are still on that street. That's

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kind of cool. That's cool,you know. And speaking of the Munsters
and the the Adams Family as well, Uh, I thought was interesting.
The music reminded me a lot ofthe Adams Family. And then of course
I find out that it was written. The score for Mister the Ghost and
Mister Chicken was written by Vic Mizzy, the famous television scorer who wrote the

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theme for the Adams Family and alsoGreen and also Green Acres. So there
you go. That's kind of explainsthe and and this is of that era
as well. Yeah, he didum, he did the he did the
Munsters Go Home movie soundtrack too,really and uh and also well then he
scored uh, the rest of theDonnats movies, you know, like The

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Incredible Mister Limpett and the Reluctant Astronautsand um, and uh, there was
one other thing that he did.I forget what. Oh, of course,
don't Make Waves, the Sharon Tatemovie, Oh She Hangs on the
Beach. And that's another one ofthose poppy soundtracks, you know, it's
just it's a great soundtrack. Notthe last Helter Skelter reference we're gonna have

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today. And also didn't know this, but there was this is way before
your time, but in the earlysixties there used to be a psa that
they on television about jaywalking for kidsto not jaywalk, and it said it
was a jingle and Vic Mizzy wroteit and his daughter saying it, but
it wasn't. It went, don'tcross the street in the middle, in

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the middle, in the middle,in the middle, in the middle of
the block. Uh, keep youreyes open and then wait until the light
turns green. So it's look andwait. Yeah. So it was because
I remember they gave us in gradeschool. They gave him these things stop
look weight things we were supposed toattack on our doors and stuff. But
um, but yeah, that wasa that's a catchy tune, don't cross

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the street in the middle, inthe middle, in the middle of the
middle of the middle of the ballwritten by Vic Mizzy and he don't go
in the Simmons mansion in the middle, in the middle of the middle of
the middle, in the middle ofthe night, like when he does when
they opened up that scene with DonKnuts driving and that that cool music.
It is just so perfect though he'sdriving as like, yeah, because he's

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a loser and it's just like xylophonemusic or something that they use a lot
of in this. I think,um, but an organ, I think
with this organ stuff and yeah,yeah, but but yeah, the ed
sol I think it was a Itwas a choice, wasn't it. Yeah,
a definite choice. Yeah, becausethat was considered a bomb, one
of the greatest bombs in the historyof automotive history. Um So, people

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that don't know, First of all, if you haven't seen The Ghost and
Mister Chicken starring Don Knots, youcan pause this and go rent it because
you can rent it anywhere right nowfor like four bucks. I did.
It was on Amazon, but it'son YouTube and iTunes and wherever you rent
movies at um and the plot ofit is, though I'm giving you a
second to pause and go watch itis don Knots plays a guy named Luther

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who's kind of a loser, andhe's a type setter for the town newspaper
that where he lives, but hereally wants to be a reporter, but
nobody takes him seriously. Everybody talksdown to him. And there's a famous
abandoned mansion in town called the SimmonsMansion, which had been the side of
a gruesome murder where a husband supposedlysupposedly killed his wife and then himself.

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And now it's the twentieth anniversary ofthe murders. And who is that their
son who's returned, nephew nephew.The nephew has returned. He's wealthy,
he owns that match and he's goingto tear it down and kind of take
all its secrets with it when hedoes it. And so don Knot says,
Luther volunteers to go in at midnightto this house and to get a

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story basically for the newspaper. Andthat is in hijinks hijinks and Sue right
right it was there was only aseventeen day shoot right in sixty six.
I mean, that's crazy. Iwould think that they can kick out something
that we're still watching fifty plus yearslater. Yeah, they killed it in
three weeks, less than three weeks, and he hired Alan Rafkin as the

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director who had directed a bunch ofum who would direct did on the Andy
Griffith's Show, which Don Knots ofcourse was in and was coming out of
when he when he did this movie. And part of the reason he picked
Raftin was because he was an efficienttelevision director and they knew we had to
get this done in seventeen days.That's who you hire to do that.
And then Rafkin went on to directKnots in The Shakiest Gun in the West,

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which had the same writing team asthis one, and also How to
Frame a Fig. So Rafkin didthree Knots movies as director. Yeah,
seventeen days as fast if you Yeah, I mean, if you look at
the down the list of character actorsthat are in this, they're all like
so many of them are in thosemovies Frame a Fig, The Reluctant Astronaut,
and there's there's so many and there'sso many interesting like connections to different

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productions. You know, the guythat did the hair was the guy that
did the hair on Thin Soilant Green, And you know, it's just like
amazing connections. It was like allfull of like journeyman actors and writers and
director who were in the middle ofHollywood at that time and did everything.
And they all looked like they wereseventy five, and they were all like
in their forties or thirties, youknow, But and they all died at

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seventy five, but they did.But some of them, there's there's yeah,
but we we actually addressed a coupleof those on RP Witched episode two,
a couple of those character actors,but I guess they they originally was
called Running Scared and I was listeningto a documentary with Don Notts and when
he started, you know, hewas a been triloquious when he first started,

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and uh and he you know,he's trying to play it sort of
straight as it was, and thenhe developed that kind of nervous character and
he tried it out with some Iforget who it was that said now,
don't do that. And he wason The Gary Moore Show and he gave
it a shot. Saying, youknow, he just did that whole kind
of falling apart, nervous shaking kindof thing, and they really responded to
that, and of course he wentwith it too, and it was always

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there was really a lot of hisact from that point forward. I mean,
I don't think he did any ofthat in Three's Company, but uh,
but he certainly took advantage of andsupposedly he was not like that in
real life at all. He waskind of a quiet guy. He was
a bit of a ladies man.Uh and uh, yeah, so not
he was very against his type.In fact, I think originally he was
supposed to be the straight man inthe Andy Griffiths Show and Andy Griffiths comedy,

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and then by the second episode,Andy griff was like, it's got
to be the other way around.I got to be the straight man and
he's got to be the funny one. So yeah, I mean that worked,
yeah, obviously at work because hewon what you said, five Emmys,
yeah, um, and then Ithink he won like two more coming
back for guest appearances. It's crazyhow beloved that that. Um, that

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character was the iconic Barney Fife characterfrom Andy Griffith's show. Um. I
also, going back to the title, I thought it's interesting they went with
The Ghost and Mister Chicken, whichapparently is a riff on The Ghost and
Missus Muir. But that was Thiswas two decades later. I just can't
believe that that movie was still sucha well known hit that they would do

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a call back. Well, itwas good enough it to start a TV
series a couple of years after this, so they must have. You know,
it must be considered a classic.I forget what you're the TV show
Ghost and Missus Muir came about,which was one of the stars of Ghost
and Mister Chicken was in uh RitaShaw though the Missus the Banker's wife.
She was one of the stars ofThe Ghost and Missus Mier. But yeah,

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no, you're right, it's interesting. You wouldn't think that that movie
had the launchevity to have done that, but you know, but it did.
I loved, in addition to themusic, to the classic kind of
horror sound effects tropes, the hootingowl because he's walking up to the house,
the cats screeching U you know,thunder right on qu yeah, well,

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you know, the Oregon music.All of that I just thought was
really funny. Did we talk aboutthis in the in our Universal Monsters episode
about the called the Castle Thunder?I think so it's it's it was the
thundery. They invented this thunder soundeffect for Frankenstein, I guess, the
original Frankenstein, and it ended upshowing up in like ga jillions of programs

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and commercials. I mean they evenused in its Star Wars at one point.
It's just this classic thunder that Iprobably must not have been you know,
trademarked or copyrighted. And uh,and I don't know if they still
use it today, but it's it'syou know, it's iconic. Like you
said, it's in The Munsters.It always opened up I think The Munsters
after the theme song with some ofthat thunder, and uh, it's just

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a it was called the Castle Thunder, it was built, it was made
in nineteen thirty one, and Disneyused it in a lot of films too,
so it must have been free.It almost becomes like it almost becomes
like the the stand in sound forthunder that we know that thunder sounds like
in movies. I think that's whatI think, it's exactly what it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, what was your What was your

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favorite like gag in the movie ora bit. It's got to be the
organ playing, certainly when HeLa fingerprintson the organ. Yeah, yeah,
it's got that whole That whole hauntedhouse sort of thing was was my favorite.
It's just like that's it looked likethe Haunted Mansion, and which was

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several years before the Haunted Mansion,well a few anyway, so uh so,
yeah, that's it. What aboutyourself? I love the elevator gag.
The elevator can't stop on the rightfloor. He keeps going over overshooting
or undershooting and he's just funny.Just step up, step up, yeah,
and then he falls into it,you know, when he goes to
leave. Um. And I alsoI loved the Atta boy shout, the
running gag of the boy at aboy Luther. I thought that was hilarious.

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It almost, I don't know,it almost reminded me of like a
running gag that you would have seenin like peak like Adam Sandler or Chris
Farley, stuff from like the nineties, you know what I mean, Like
a line that I think they readthat they used it in Kingpin. It's
something I don't I remember the moviethat well enough, but nobody. That's
what I'm thinking of too, andI just don't remember. Yeah, yeah,

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but I guess it was the guywho said that was m was one
of the writers. Yeah, itwas Everett. It was Everett Greenbaum who
wrote it. He was he waswriting partners with Jim Fritzel or Fritzel Fritzel
and they were writing partners also onyou know, they were one of the
people some of the people brought overfrom the Andy Griffiths Show. Um.
They also wrote thirty five episodes ofmash later on in their careers. So

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did so did you read about thisAndy Griffith episode at all, the one
that maybe inspired this movie. Itcouldn't have. Maybe I watched it this
afternoon. It was like almost it, you know, it was it was
almost really it was almost the movie. Yeah, so it was Andy Griffith.
I think that recommended that because becausewhat happened was supposedly Andy Griffith had

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said early on in the run ofthe show that they were only going to
do five seasons. So don Knotstook that seriously, and that's why he
left the Andy Griffith Show when hedid to go into films because he thought,
I gotta figure out what I'm gonnado next with my career, because
he said at the beginning, thisis only going to go for five seasons.
Doesn't realize that Andy Griffith decided,Oh, actually, I think I'm
gonna keep doing the show, andby then Donn had already said to leave,

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and so I believe it was AndyGriffith that recommended that heat. When
Donnas is trying to figure out whatmovie to do, Griffith was like,
well, why don't you try doingsomething like that episode of our show that
we did, And yeah, well, I mean I knew that that not
brought Andy Griffith in as an uncreditedwriter on the movie. So one of

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the other consulted with the other.But in the Andy Griffith episode, Opie
and his friend hit a baseball intothis old mansion or this old in decrepit
house, and they didn't have thenerve to go into it because they went
up to the door and they heardthis whoo and the inside, so they
ran away and they went back.Opie told, you know, Andy Griffith
that this place is haunted, andBarnie was there and saying, oh,

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that's you. Know, that's silly. Nobody believes in ghosts. And then
Andy Griffith kind of smirk and says, well, Barney, why didn't you
go out there and get at yourhelp? And there's the the wide eyed
don knots look, and they gointo the thing and there's there's a you
know, it's all the cobway.It looks it could be the same set
in black and white and uh andthe cobwebs everywhere. And they get to

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a fireplace with a painting on it, and the painting has eyes that move
back and forth, and there's athere's a there's supposedly there was a I
don't know if it was ever amurder in there, but there's an axe
and the axe flies around in thisepisode, you know, and then they
they run, they run away.You know. It was him and Jim
Neighbors. They went in first,and they went back with Andy Griffith and

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uh. And the whole point wasthey were chasing out a bootlegger that was
living in the basement that was tryingto they had a still going on and
uh in the basement making booze andUH. So they were trying to scare
people away. So they could keeptheir still going in the basement. But
one of the bootleggers is Hal Smithowed us the drunk from Andy Griffith,

(28:00):
who is the guy who gets beanedin the head at the beginning of Mister
Chicken. He's like the he's thefirst person that shows up in the movie.
He isn't even builled and um andhe played he played otis the drunk
constantly on Andy Griffith. And heended up being drunk in this movie and
thrown into jail in this movie,just like he did in Andy Griffith.

(28:21):
So it was like kind of mirroredplots to that to that episode, but
for sure, but it was it. It was just it. I hope.
Summers also was another actor that wasbrought over from Andy Griffith that was
in this So they had the director, the two writers, and at least
two actors, probably more from theshow, probably many more because there was

(28:42):
like they had to do like awhole town of people. Basically, there
were so many actors in this movie. Yeah, yeah, they all lived
down the street, you know,so don knots um He of course most
famous for playing um Uh Barney five, but he was also Ralph Furley in

(29:02):
the second half of the run ofThree's company, The Landlord, and he
was also the star. One ofmy favorite films of his is The Incredible
Mister Limpet which was made a coupleof years before this, where he plays
an an animated fish. I lovedthat movie when I was a little kid.
And then we talked about this guyin an earlier episode. I don't
know if it was one of ourmain shows or if it was a Patreon
show, but in World War Twohe served he was entertainment for the troops.

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Basically, he had a comedy duoact with another actor named al Checo
or Checho, who would appear inmultiple films of his and uncredited roles.
Incredible Mister Limpett was the first moviethat that this Alchecho appeared in. Who
was you know? His Don Knatz'sformer comedy partner in World War Two?

(29:47):
And then he appeared again in thismovie, and he appeared in several other
of his films, always you know, usually uncredited. But Alcheco was wild
because his wife tragically died when shewas young. They'd only been married a
few years, and he I don'tthink ever remarried, didn't have any descendants.
And he lived in the old Age, and he willed his house in

(30:08):
the LA area to Providence Saint JosephMedical Center in Burbank when he passed away.
He died in twenty fifteen, andthe house was donated to the hospital
kind of I think, kind ofin her honor, his wife's honor,
so kind of kept the candle burningfor her for decades, you know,
after she passed away tragically. Soyeah, that was That was in a
Patreon episode because I remember the story. It was an obituary story. Yeah,

(30:32):
Yeah, that's sad. I alsothought was interesting Don Knots's mother ran
a boarding house when he was akid, and his character lives in a
boarding house in Mister Chicken. Idon't know if there's a connection there,
if that idea came from his ownlife. Boarding houses are certainly a thing
of the past, that's for sure. Um. Yeah, he kept working
pretty much right up until he died. He died in February twenty four,

(30:53):
two thousand and six, supposedly kindof issues related to lung cancer. And
his grave marker is amazing. It'slike one of the best celebrity grave markers
ever. It's got a bunch oflikenesses of his famous characters on it.
It's really well done, including Luther. They haven't done really karate karate.
H. Yeah. There's also areally nice statue of him in his hometown

(31:17):
of Morgantown, West Virginia, infront of a theater. Oh yeah,
in honor of him. It's areally good one. So there's a lot
of really bad celebrity statues, butthat's a good one. He was he
Yeah, he had what he waslike really quite ill, wasn't he had?
They say you had pneumonia, immaculardegeneration. I mean, it's really
it's sad when somebody, well yousaid he was kind of serious too.

(31:38):
You're more serious than you'd expect himto be. Yeah, you want you
want somebody like that to pute pullingfaces all the time, you know,
that's just the way he is.He had a degenerator of muscle issue and
that caused his eyes to kind ofnot droop a little bit. So he
stopped doing like appearances on screen,but he would. He had a lot
of voice acting the last years ofhis life. So the opening scene Calvern

(32:02):
Weems, who was half smith owedisthe drunk gets being done. The head
by by Hope Summers. Actually she'snot the one that hits him on the
head. She sees some unseen personwith a board right bang right on the

(32:22):
head, and she's just maniacally screaming, I love it, and so over
the top. And every one ofthese actors you could, you could monsters
at him twelve Bewitched Green Acres,every single one of these actors have been
on the shows. But she playedone of the creepy satanic neighbors and Rosemary's

(32:45):
baby they were raising, you know, Rosemary to have this baby, the
Devil's baby ultimately. But yeah,I just watched her scene today. She's
like, there's nothing to be afraidof Rosemary, honest and truly there's nothing.
But that was the whole fun ofthose all those old people that in
Rosemary's Baby, who probably were allin this movie too. But um,

(33:07):
she But also she was another iconicbit of television history. She was the
voice of missus Butterworth Syrup on theTV commercials Wow. So she didn't even
get credited in the movie. Youknow, I had to do like a
dive to find out who who hername, what her name was, but
she was yeah, she then itturns out she was missus Butterworth, So

(33:29):
wow, I thought that was kindof cool. Butterworth Syrup. There's nothing
to be afraid of, no Rosemary. And she died in Woodland Hills in
June twenty second, in nineteen seventynine. She's seventy seven years old.
But it's funny but that, youknow, because they yeah, because don
k Notch. The whole point washe hears her scream murder, murder,

(33:50):
murder, and then at the sametime Don Notch just happens to be driving
by in his Loser or furdencil andhe wants desperately to be a reporter.
So yeah, so he thinks he'slike to murder, and he thinks the
guy's dead, and then it turnsout the guy's only injured, but he's
already gone back and told everybody thathe witnessed a murder, and then he
gets laughed at when the guy showsup bang right on the head. I

(34:12):
mean, that's that's one of thegags. I love. I love that
when she says that all the time. That makes me laugh. Uh,
and the Bonni Ammy one too,but we'll talk about that, yeah a
little bit. Now. I wasjust gonna say, how, how how
in the sixties alcoholism was really funny, you know, I mean the Andy
Griffith thing with the still and thebasement and they're just pounding you know bottles,

(34:35):
you know, directly out of thebottle, and you know Granny on
the Beverly Hillbillies is always drinking moonshine. Remember north By Northwest, And this
is not the last time I'll mentionedthat movie. When he gets that he's
fighting the dui charge Carrie Grant isafter they got him drunk and tried to
kill him, and he and hismom goes something like, just pay the
five dollars. Wow, be donewith it. So that Hope Summers was

(35:01):
a bit of television history. Sonow the next person that comes up as
far as appearance in the movie wouldbe um Ali Ali Weaver, Yeah,
who was probably the handsome sort offoil of of Luther in the movie that
the Successful Riders or he flashy has, the beautiful girlfriend has everything Luther wants,

(35:24):
has, the job Luther wants,as the girl Luther wants has probably
the looks that Luther wants played bya skip Homeier who was the child actor
who wasn't a child star, butstarted as a child actor and was able
to transition into adulthood adult acting.He did, like all these guys,
he was in everything, but hedid a lot of westerns and war stuff.

(35:47):
But he was He was in TheRifleman, Wagon Train Bonanza. It's
like the whole run. It's like, if you know how to handle like
a six shooter and can ride ahorse, sen you're an actor. You
know what I mean, You're gonnawork in the sixties. He was also
play had two roles in the originalStar Trek series, so he's big with
Treky fans Um. And he wasin the film The Gunfighter with Gregory Peck.

(36:08):
And of course there's a Helter Skelterconnection m because he played the Manson
trial judge in the nineteen seventy sixHelter Skelter TV movie that we did a
whole episode about, right, Yeah, he was yeah, Mannix Adams family.
He said, all everyone tick ticktick for you, and that sure

(36:30):
I was in there. I gotmy two hundred and fifty dollars appearance,
you know whatever. But but yeah, those people kicked it out, all
those all those episodic television and hand yeah, Helter Skelter Judge Older.
He was that surprised me. Infact, I think that, uh,
how long have we been doing thispodcast, because I seem to recall him.

(36:51):
They were coming up in four years, okay, because he was one
of the obituaries we mentioned in twentyseventeen. I think I know he came
up with four. Oh no,it must have been the Helter Skelter episode.
That's right, that must have beenit, because yeah, so it
um. But yeah, so hewas in our world an amazing actor.

(37:13):
Um. He passed away a skippassed away on a June twenty fifth,
twenty seventeen. He was eighty sixand it was spinal my loopathy, which
is a neurological situation related to thespinal cord. I don't know eighty six
to make it the eighty six andhave some shit like that. Yeah,
so rip Ali Weaver rip skip.Formerly. So the next guy that shows

(37:37):
up in the it was Dick Sargent, and we covered him, of course
quite a bit in the bewitch yepisode. Yeah, Dick Sargeant and Sander Gould,
who was also in uh and ofcourse who played Gladys Kravitz and Bewitch.
There were two big Bewitched actors inthis movie, Um, I love
I love the Ladies of the PsychicOccult Society of racial group with the ladies

(38:00):
with their little banner to show upat the house, and the cosmic vibrations.
Oh man, the cosmic vibrations.I love it. Rita shows she
was the best. Yeah, wewe call them manifestations. I love.

(38:21):
Dick Sargeant played Luther's boss and theeditor of the new staper that he works
for. And of course Dick Sargeantwas the second Darren Stevens on Bewitched,
and I liked him in this moviebecause he was, well he was.
He was your standard sort of DarrenStevens dickhead, you know. He had
that kind of dicky personality. Butwhen it came to the point where,
you know, Luther stayed one nightin the house and saw all the horrible

(38:45):
haunting things and talked to everyone aboutit, and when the owner of the
house said, that's nonsense, I'mgoing to sue you for slander. Um,
Dick Sargent stood by him said,Luther, did that happen to you?
Yes? It did, Okay,we stand here then, you know,
so I thought that was that wasa nice moment that I wasn't extracted
his back. Yeah yeah, soum. And you know, we all

(39:06):
know Dick Sargeant. You know,he came out as gay in nineteen ninety
one. He and Elizabeth Montgomerys costar hosted co Graham Marshall the Gay Pride
Parade in West Hollywood and uh andhe died like three years later a prostate
cancer. Yeah, at July eighth, ninety four, and he was sixty
four years old, rest in Peasticks Sergeant again. Yeah yeah, now

(39:32):
Hal Smith again, we talked aboutthat briefly. The who played otis the
drunk on Andy Griffith. He hada huge career as a voice man.
He did like he was on theflint Stones. He was, He did
Winnie the Pooh, He did aquick drama Grown Huckleberry had now classic Hannah
barbaric cartoons and post nineteen sixty sevenGoofy for the Disney movies on the original

(40:00):
if he died, so he wasquite a successful. Now I found this.
I never heard about this before.But otis Hal Smith who I called
Moodist, but his name was itwas his name Charlie Calver Weems. I
love that. But he was ina movie called Once Upon a Girl And
I've got to read this. Itwas in nineteen seventy six American live action,

(40:21):
adult animated fantasy comedy pornographic film writtenand produced by and directed by John
Don Juric Jurwick was animated by agroup of animators who had worked for Disney
and Hannah Barbera. Now. Itwas about a lewd old lady claiming to
be Mother Goose. Who was HalSmith? Who is? You know?
Calver Weems has been put on trialfor obscenity obscenity due to yelling the telling

(40:45):
the true versions of famous fairy tales. Who evidence is presented as a collection
of pornographic animated shorts Jack and theBeanstalk, Cinderella and Little Red Riding Hood.
So I'd love to see that.Actually, it's probably they probably broadcast
on TV nowadays, you know,and it was considered pornography back then.
But um, but yeah, soso he was. Hal Smith died in

(41:09):
his home in Santa Monica listening tohis favorite radio show on January twenty,
eighteen ninety four. He was seventyseven. What was his favorite radio show?
In nineteen ninety four? It wasn'tanything that I found interesting enough to
remember I mentioned. Was it likean old show that he had tapes of

(41:29):
or what was the I want no, no, no, it was a
proper radio radio for it. Yeah, you're gonna make me look for it
now, Dallas says, is hewas listening to his nightly drama hour on
radio. What that's what it was? Radio dramas in the nineties. Well,
I don't know. I mean,I know that I know that the

(41:50):
Brits do that. That's still abig deal there. But but he did
die like two weeks before the NorthNorth Through earthquake. Okay, who appears
next in the movie? Lu Huthergoes to the police department report that he'd
seen a murder and you know,he thought he had by this, you
know, getting hit on the headwith a or reporting a murder that he
saw the body and ended up beingthis drunk guy and so everyone was making

(42:13):
fun of him. And as hewas heading back then he had it back
to his home, the boarding housewhere he was living cruelly, cruelly living
with the guy who plays Ali,the nasty one who was it's not very
nice to him, but it wasfunny. They were mocking him. They
were making fun of him about seeingmister murder, mister his face, and

(42:34):
he says, why don't you runup an alien holler fish? That was
his insult to those guys. It'slike it had to be an inside joke
of some sort, But why didyou run up an alien holler fish?
But he he lived in the NatalieMiller boarding house, and Natalie Miller was

(42:55):
Loreene Tuttle, who I love that. It's like if I had, if
I had a kid daughter, Iwould name her Loreene just to keep that
name alive. Look that name.I love that name so much. And
and she was. She'd been ina million things again, a ton of
TV shows. But she was inDon't Bother to Knock and Niagara with Maryland.

(43:15):
She was with Carrie Grant in MisterBlanning Bill's Dream House. She was
a sheriff's wife in Psycho Walking Tall. She played a nurse on the groundbreaking
Julia Show with Diane Carroll, thefirst African American woman to have out a
show based around her. And shewas also an acting teacher and she taught

(43:37):
Red Skelton, Orson Wells, MiltonBurl, Steve Allen, and Jane Meadows,
and her daughter Barbara was married toJohn Williams, the composer. Wow,
so it's like, you know,so she it's a lot of you
know, a lot of taking alot of boxes. But yeah, her
daughter, her daughter died quite young, but they were I think she died
in like seventy five or something likethat. But she was married to John

(44:00):
Williams Star Wars. We talked abouthim. Prayers of the Lost Arc and
Superman and the Jaws, I meantons of Lost in Space theme song which
a few of these actors end upshowing up on Belly of the Dolls.
So anyway, but Loreene Tuttle diedin Encino on May twenty eighth, nineteen
eighty six. She was seventy eightyears old. And then staying with that

(44:22):
theme, there were a couple ofthose older women actresses that were there.
One was called Jesselyn Facts. Sheplayed one of the two competitive ladies.
You know, they were saying hereyes were blue. I heard they were
black. Well they were blue andblack, and you know, I pay
one hundred dollars, I pay onehundred and fifty dollars, you know,
like that sort of thing. Butshe was on she was a course on

(44:44):
Andy Griffith's show, and she wasin Rear Window, and she was in
Kiss Me Deadly. Who was shein Rear Window? I don't remember.
It was like a dozen actors inthat whole film. Rear Window was what
year fifty four? Thank you?It's my favorite movie going? Is it?
Really? Were Windows your favorite?Yeah? Yep? Uh, Rear

(45:07):
Window, Mishearing Aid. Okay,she's the sculptor. Okay, that's how
I thought. That's the only personI could think of that she could probably
be. So yeah, she's umMishearing Aid is the sculptor who makes kind
of weird sculptures down in the firstfour of the place. And she's the
one that gets yelled at um atone point by the killer when she tries

(45:29):
to tell him how to um howto pretend his garden and he tells her
to shut up. Yeah. Ihaven't seen that movie in so long.
Oh so good. But it's funny. One things about her that's that's funny
or ish? Is it? Backin two thousand and six, there was
this rumor going on online she wasn'tnorth by Northwest she shows up in that

(45:50):
movie. People were saying that shethat her character was actually Alfred Hitchcock in
drag In north By Northwest And here'sthis big like inner a debate about that
really. So yeah, as asecond cameo in the film, that all
for Hitcock was sort of because shehad those kind of she had that kind
of features, that kind of shapetowards you know when that when that came

(46:12):
out so um so yeah, butshe ended up she died in Hollywood in
nineteen seventy five. She was eightytwo years old, so that made her
you know, like seventy when theymade the movie or something to that,
something like that. Yeah, andlike like a lot of them were,
but it was neat that they gotWe talked about this um and our Patreon
episode about how like Angela Lansbury wouldalways hire these people. There's a few

(46:36):
of these people showed up in Murder, she wrote too. These older actors
Lansbury would put in and Murder shewrote specifically because they were older and not
getting work anymore. She wanted themto get there whatever they're their acting credits,
that I could keep their pension orwhatever it was, their union.
Yeah, coverage is going Yeah,I love that. So yeah, so

(46:57):
she showed I mean she died inseventy five, was eighty two years old.
Now. Her partner in the movieThe Dark Hair the White Haired Lady,
her name was Nindia Westman, andshe she's still one who had the
famous line. It was said,you know four times to the movie,
I think, or five times.They even used bon ammy when referring to
the organ, the haunted organ withthe blood stained finger tips on it,

(47:19):
and they on the ivory and shethey tried tried everything to clean up that
blood and her line was and theyeven use Bonammy, which it's still I
think they shall sell Bonammy as acleanser. It's like a jax, it's
like comment cleanser. And Bonammy wasa big thing. And supposedly don Knots
even went to Bonammy like the companyand asked permission to reference it in the

(47:40):
film since it got so many referencesand interesting granted it was granted the okay
to use it. Yeah, Iguess it's portraying it in a positive light
because she's saying they even used it. That means it's like the best.
Yeah, So Nindia Westman of courseagain Munster's Adams Family Bewitched Adam twelve reluctant
to acts astronaut, and then shewas that weird movie with Anne Margaret called

(48:02):
The Swinger, where she was sheplayed this like columnist and she was writing
these really racy stories about herself andnobody believed it was really her, like
a young, young, sexy womanand she's talking about all her nightclubs and
hanging out with all the rich playboysand stuff, and it was just kind
of a it's kind of a racymovie for for the time, and she
was I think that might have beenher last last performance was in that movie.

(48:25):
And uh and Nydia Wish Nia NdiaWestman, you know again Vaudeville,
that whole bit. Yeah, she'sgot a huge I mean, she's got
huge credits. But again it's allthe stuff that that that Perry Mason Addison
leepyish anyway, So Nydia Westman diedin May twenty third and nineteen seventy in
Burbank. Uh cancer. So,but it was the other little competitive lady

(48:50):
I loved. I love those too. They were they were a good uh,
they good good banter with each other. Like, yeah, being an
agent back then must have been nutswith all these character actors. Just just
just volume. It's all about numbers. Just it's a numbers game. Just
get as many of them into asmini shows every week as possible, every

(49:12):
you know what I mean, justconstantly bouncing around between sitcoms. Uh,
it's really wild to see all thesethese actors, how many they all were
in the same shows We come acrossas you know, time and time again
we did when the Bewitched episode wedid, same thing. Uh. Yeah,
being an agent back then for thesetypes of actors must have just been
nuts, just a grind, youknow, and they all looked like they
were a hundred back then. Yeah, that's what I mean. There's lots

(49:37):
of drinking and smoking, smoking inold clothes too. I mean it has
a lot to do with the wardrobe. And but I mean, like,
what's his face? You know,we talked about him on the on the
Beverly Hillbillige podcast, Sam Drucker orGreen Acres. You know, he was
the old guy that ran the generalstore on those shows, and they were
crossovers Petty Go Junction and Green Acresand Beverly Hillbillies. But he got he

(49:59):
looked like he was seventy back inthe sixties and he was only think so,
yeah, that's funny, but soso, yeah, you're right,
that would have been interesting. Ithad been interesting to be around a waiting
room in one of those agencies andseeing all those I know you're the guy,
I know you, I know youevery day just rolling in. Yeah.
So that brings us to Joanes Staley, who I was my favorite person

(50:22):
to read up on honestly, onthat. Yeah, this whole thing.
She's very interesting. She's the romanticlead in this that Luther is competing to
win over um and she she wasan accomplished musician. As a kid,
she played I think the violin,and she was in the Junior Symphony at
the Hollywood Bowl as a kid,which I thought was really interesting. And
then as an adult she was playPlayboys Miss November nineteen fifty eight. It

(50:47):
was a very tasteful photo shoot.I had to look it up for historical
reasons, you know, make sureI I know fything. And they were
very nice. It was done bya life photographer who approached her and asked
if she would be interested, andshe said yeah, so it's very fully
done. She had recurring roles onThe tab Hunter Show. Speaking of tab
Hunter and The Adventures of Ozzie andHarriet and seventy seven Sunset Strip I think

(51:08):
the final season. She played asecretary on it, and then she had
big parts or bit parts in CapeFear with Mitcham and she got the slap
Elvis and roused about his sixteenth movie, and she claimed later that it was
a real slap because Elvis didn't wanther to fake it. You don't want
her to pull up. He wantedto really smack him. And so when

(51:30):
you hear that slap in that movie, that's not a sound effect. That's
really her smack in Elvis in theface. And I also thought it was
interesting this is the same movie Elvisgot injured for real in the face because
he didn't insist on doing his ownstunts. And there was a supposedly during
a fight with a group of stuntmen, one of them kind of flips and
the guy's heel caught him in theface and gave him a dash. And

(51:52):
I don't know, I don't knowif that's the story of the scar that
he had over his eye, orif it's one of the stories, or
if it's one of the scar ashe got, because there's another version of
events where he got a scar ofhis eye from chicken pox, or another
one where he fell as a kidand hit a table and got a scar.
So I don't know if this issupposed to be that scar, if
it's a different injury, but yeah, that's according to a relative of his.

(52:13):
He was supposedly on set that dayand sad of course, everybody was
freaking out. Elvis's got blood streamingon his face. Yeah. But and
then there was another Elvis connection.Jones Staley did some backup singing for Sun
Records in Memphis. She her firsthusband that she married was a film director
in Tennessee in Memphis, and soshe did some backup singing for Sun Records,

(52:35):
of course, which was Elvis's label. Wow was your thing at an
Elvis record? Do you know?I don't. They didn't mention that she
had, so I think they probablywould have mentioned if she had done that.
But she did back up at SunRecords, So I don't know what
songs. That's really not that bigof a place, you know, No,
it was really It's interesting too.She was blond in real life,
but they made her wear a brunettewig in the Ghost and Mister Chicken supposedly

(53:00):
because she was too sexy as ablonde. I mean, she wasn't interesting
that they even hired a playboy modelit to be in this movie, because
I mean, there are some moviethere are pictures. I mean I did
a quick google and I saw acouple with her. You know, there
was straight there were the boys werestraight out there. I mean that was
they were there. I mean itwasn't like you said there were there was
a there were there were hidden alittle bit. It was kind of a

(53:22):
peekaboo thing, but they were certainlythere in fifty eight and um, so
it's interesting to me that they hiredher like that. You would think that
would blacklist people for from movies.She had a good career. Her career
was only curtailed she injured her horseor she entered a horse. She injured
her back riding a horse in afilm the same year. It was a

(53:44):
different movie that really did get herblacklist. That's enough. No, she
she entered her back riding a horse, and I think shooting a western,
uh, and that kind of curtailedher career as the same that happened the
same year that she shot that.She did this movie. Um, and
she said interesting an interview a coupleof years before this, in sixty four,

(54:04):
she said, I've made a careerof playing an undulating blonde in tight
dresses. It isn't that I wantedthat brassy sexpot image, but that's the
image producers feel you project when you'rewell blonde and shapely. Also, when
you've been in Playboy, I thinkprobably had an impact that probably, Yeah,
it's it's funny. And also duringthat time period, wigs were chic.
You know people people were whigs allthe time, and not as a

(54:28):
yeah, they just there was chic. There were some people that you know,
Troy and I comment that on alot, like we're watching Rockcord Files
and you know, these women whowe know have beautiful hair end up with
these monstrosities on their heads. It'slike, because Alma's wig was not good
in this movie and always look clockingto me, it's terrible that So,
yeah, it was it was pointedlythat that I guess they did that.

(54:49):
They didn't They didn't spend a wholelot of money on the on the on
the stylist for this one, butthey did have a hairstylist because I looked
him up too he's the guy thatI did so soiling green think or something.
But but yeah, so they Butanyway, but I liked her in
this movie, very likable, althoughtot you know, a bit annoying too,
I thought, because like she goes, let's have lunch, Luther,

(55:10):
and then she makes him you know, oh, I took this scene.
He's the only one. He's goingto be done in a minute, and
there's a guy sitting there and he'sgot to stand and she's like just talking
like it's okay. And it's like, well, that was kind of shitty.
And then her like boyfriend shows upand steals the seat and she doesn't
do anything about it. Yeah,that was kind of yeah, oh that's
me. And then be a minute, you don't mind, do you?
Luther. It's like that was kindof kind of shitty. I didn't like

(55:35):
that. But oh the other one. I love the other scene. Sorry,
the other joke. I like whenum at the beginning, when she
goes, love your print, Elma, No, yeah's your address? Yeah,
and then he says that they're loveyour print back in an era when
you know, women made a lotof their addresses themselves. Yeah, you
know, they're talking. Oh,I got the print. I got it

(55:55):
at wherever whatever store she got thefabrics. That what I was, you
know, And then she talked abouthow my niece has one that has a
you know, a big yellow stripeacross the yeah boobs. Yeah, that
becomes a gag that gets repealed later. Um, love your print though,
that's something they still use all thetime. Sorry. So Jones Staley really

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talented, multi talented musician, actress, a comedian UM. And she after
she kind of quit acting or fadedaway from it, her and her second
husband, who I think was anMCA executive, UM, they started a
talent management company and they wrapped BobBarker and Meltorma among others. And I
think her daughter now runs the companyand took over the family business, which

(56:43):
so they have a talent management business. UM. Jones Staley died on November
twenty four, twenty nineteen. Shewas seventy nine, and they said it
was heart failure. So just Iwish I would have got the opportunity to
talk to these people. I reallydo en that'd have been me, that
would have been around. Yeah.I met Don Knots at one of those

(57:04):
autograph shows one time, too.And it's like it was at that time
where I had no appreciation for himwhat he was doing that Three's company business.
It was like I found that characterreally really not what he wasn't supposed
to be likable, that was thewhole point. But uh, now I
didn't. He's really kind of smarmme. I just didn't. I didn't
like it at all. The badTupei, the really bad Tupai and um.
But anyways, I said in retrospect, I wish i'd I'd been more

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attentive. Um. Next up,Phil phil Ober who played Nicholas Simmons.
I love this guy, the nephewof the mister and Missus Simmons, who
the murder suicide in the original Houseof Which Villains Just the twentieth anniversary of
the murders in this movie. Yeah, yes, and the villain you're right,
Yeah, he's the villain. Yeah. He wants to tear the house

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down to cover up its secrets,cover ups. It's tragic past. I
thought this was a great speaking ofyou know, Hitchcock. He was un
ambassador Lester Townshend in north By Northwest, the guy that gets killed with a
knife in the back at the insidethe UN Building and falls into Carry Grant's
arms, and someone, of coursejust happens to take a picture of him
looking like he's the killer when hewasn't, obviously, And I thought,

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that's a great story in Hollywood.How they shot the exteriors of that film.
They actually shot an establishing shot showingCarrie Grant running up the front steps
of the UN building to go inside, and of course everything else was a
set, and they did not havepermission to film at the UN building,
So Hitchcock and the camera operator hidin a van across the street and filmed

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from inside a van and had CarrieGrant, you know, go up and
down those front steps, and youcan see real security guys out there look
kind of looking around like they kindof knew something was up, and I
mean, obviously they must have noticedCarrie Grant right by them. But that
was a stolen shot. That wasa little Hitchcock guerrilla filmmaking there. They
did not have permission to film atthe UN building, so that when Stace

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went and stole it, And ironically, Philip Ober then when he retired from
acting, he went into the USDiplomatic Service and worked as the US consul
in port Porto Vararta, Mexico,which would be a nice way to retire.
I think, yeah, that wouldn'tbe so bad. I didn't realize
he was married to Vivian Vans.That would surprise me. I love that

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story too. He left he wasmarried to someone else's first wife. When
that happened, when he got togetherwith her and I came across a.
He went on to be Vivian Vance'sthird husband, and she was his second
wife. Of course, you knowEthel Mertz from I Love Lucy. So
when he left his first wife forher, it was a divorce scandal there

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in New York because his wife,I think, was kind of a socialite.
His first wife, and the UnitedPress reported Missus Philip Ober, who
her real name was Phillis Roper,his wife at the time, charged in
New York Supreme Court today that herhusband, a star in the b Way
hit mister and Missus North found somuch after theater right relaxation in the apartment

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of Vivian Vance, blonde musical comedysinger, that he forgot to come home
several nights. It's good, ithappens to everybody, and Vimian advanced,
Vivi advanced and responded that the articlesaying it was ridiculous and that she was
actually charging ober Rent and then itwas platonic, so funny whatever. Well,

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apparently according to it, there's aguy I know. His name is
Bose Hadley, and Bose Hadley wroteseveral books on Hollywood, a lot of
like kind of trashy stories, tabloidywill say, tabloidy stories. You know.
He wrote a book about old theold Hollywood lesbians and all the whole
Hollywood gays and and but he actuallysaid in one interview that he got was

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that Vivian Vance said that he wasvery abusive towards her, said and said
she showed up to h I LoveLucy with a black eye, and Lucy
said, if you don't divorce him, I'm going for him or something,
not not as in going for himromantically, but if you don't divorce him,
I will something to that, rightright, And they were married for
like eighteen years too. Yeah,yeah, that sucks. That's really interesting

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because you know they um, theydid eventually get divorced in fifty nine,
which was a couple of years afterI Love Lucy left the air, So
maybe she finally took Lucille Ball's advice. So Philip ober passed away on September
thirteenth, nineteen eighty two from lungcancer. He was eighty. So then
then, so we mentioned that Lutherwas a type setter and he saw he

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saw him the murder victim in frontof that Simmons house. Turns out that
he was a drunk guy and hewas getting all this crap from his colleagues.
So then he's working as this typesetter and they come down and they
say, you know, Luthor,we need a three inch filler for the
paper. And he goes to thelittle file draw and you know, in
the little three by five papers thathave a little human interest thing, you

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know, they'll say that some littlegirl, you know, found a kite
that she lost ten years earlier orsomething like that. So then this the
maintenance guy kind of leans over andsays, you know, Luther, maybe
you should think about doing something aboutthat murder house is coming up on the
twentieth anniversary, and will don't youwrite your own filler? And you know,
Luthor's desperate to become a reporter.And that man who did it,

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the character's name was was Kelsey andhe was actually Liam Redmond, who was
a real Irishman, not one ofthose phony in movies, a TV Irishman
that come with these crazy accidents hedon't recognize. But he was a genuine
Irishman, like died in Dublin Irishman. Yeah yeah, born in Limerick,

(01:02:47):
Um, Yeah, Liam Redman.He passed away on October twenty eight,
nineteen eighty ninety, was seventy six, after what was reported as a long
period of ill health. He wasin the movie called to the Demon in
fifty seven, and it's got alittle bit of a bit of trivia because
to me because in the Rocky HorrorPicture Show at the beginning of it as

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a science song called science Fiction DoubleFeature that Richard O'Brien wrote and sang in
the movie and mentioning, you know, Michael Rennie was ill the day the
Earth stood still and you know,and told Flash Gordon was there in silver
underwhere Claude Rains was the invisible man. Well there's there was there's a line
in it says Dana Andrew said,prunes give him the Runes? Are you

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n e s And it's from Nightof the Night of the Demon, which
is based on his story casting therunes. It's sometime known as passing the
runes, hence the pun prunes,and it's like, yeah, so's it's
just a pun on runs. Andthat became the lyric to this song,
which I always knew the lyric,but I didn't know where it came from.

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It it turns out that says LiamRedman's big, biggest sort of role,
which was a really scary movie.Actually I watched about a half an
hour of it. And although itwas fifty seven and you know, stop
action or miniatures, the demons,and it was it was it was quite
dumb. It was good, itwas well done. And so he plays
the old Irish guy who's the maintenanceguy at the newspaper, and then he

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tells luth of the story about whathappened at the house and how he was
working at the house the night ofthe murder suicide and mentioned that, you
know, the whole thing and howit happened with missus Simmons being stabbed in
the throat and mister Simmons playing thetow playing the organ in the tower and
jumping out of the window and killinghimself and that again, this is the
twentieth anniversary that's coming up. SoKelsey prompts him to write this article.

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And the article's a hit. Everyonein the town is talking about it,
even though it's a little three inchthing in the paper. But I love
the fact that he when he wroteit, it was the horribleness and the
awfulness of it will never be forgotten. It was the three inch filler on
the front page of the paper.I love that. But so yeah,
it was. It mentions the twentyyear anniversary. So Dick Sarton suggests,

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hey, why don't we you know, come what he did say, Well,
it's the twentieth anniversary of the murdersuicide. We ought to capitalize on
that. Imagine that capitalizing on somebodyelse's horrible thing would never even can do
such a thing terrible. So soanyway, they suggest knots because they knew
he's ridiculous and he'd make it.You know, he's got a crazy imagination

(01:05:26):
and he's really a coward, andthey more or less dare him to do
it, or they humiliate him intodoing it. And because he didn't want
to do it, but they said, come on, you're you're not gonna
do it. I'm betting you're notgonna do it. So it's like I'm
gonna do it, and uh,and that was really good. That was
really that whole him going up tothe house on that night and the night
before the anniversary, just to checkthe lay of the land and uh and

(01:05:50):
uh. And he falls into thehouse through the coal shoot and is walking
through this crazy honted house and everythinghappens. Everything happens. It's opposed to
know, the creeping feet and hand I forget whether it's some of the
other. Then he threw the book. The grash player starts playing on its
own, like twenties like Charleston swingmusic. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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And then the creaking stairs in thewhole bit, and then he throws a
book at the bookshelf, and thebookshelf opens up and there's the twisting staircase
that goes up to the organ loft, and he goes up there, and
then the organs start the clock chimesmidnight in the distance, and the organ
starts playing all by itself. Butthat was terrifying when it was growing terrifying.
And then he runs down and hesees the portrait of Missus Simmons with

(01:06:35):
garden shears in her throat and it'sactually bleeding. And then he runs out,
and of course he's hysterical about allthese things that happened. He writes
the article about it, and thewhole town is amazed that he survived this
crazy night in the haunted house.They printed without even like checking any of
the facts or anything. No factchecking. That well that doesn't matter either

(01:06:56):
today. But but they print itand he becomes the head of the town
and they have a picnic in hishonor and and uh and uh celebrate it.
And then oh, you know thatwas another fun thing. The guy
that was directing the band, youknow that that that that when they introduced
him. That's his name is Hisname was Dick Wilson. He's the guy
that played the drunk I'm bewitched allthe time. And you know, he

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was always like and Simanath would disappearand he was just drunk and I like,
this stuff is too strong. Andthen and he played mister mister Whipple
and the Charman over five hundred Charmancommercials. Yeah, and he was just
and he was just the bandleader.He didn't even getting credit in the movie,
you don't really he never gets aclose up. But but I heard

(01:07:40):
him talk and I was like,oh, yeah, that's that's certainly him.
Certain that all that sharp. Hedidn't need the credit. He had
all that Sharman money, God commercials, should you match money and to be
the spokesperson and that many commercials.Yeah, yeah, that's that was like
Doris Doris Roberts. Doris Roberts wasthe was the person who did the She's
from Everyone Loves Raymond, and shedid Glade in her Freshener commercials. And

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she bought a house and you knowthat house from Double Indemnity up up in
the Hollywood Hills, that crazy housethat Barbara Stanwick lived in in Double Indemnity.
Doris Roberts house shows up in thatmovie, just as the one next
door. And she called it Cassettede Glade because Glader Freshner paid for it.
That's right. Um, you knowyou mentioned the painting with the shears

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in it. That is the onething that has never explained away in the
film is that, um, youknow, because everything else they have because
when he goes back, you know, with the court, with the judge
and the townspeople, and nothing isthe way he described it in the house,
and they're all like, oh,you made it all up. The
painting is back to normal. There'sno holes in it and blood on it
or anything. And that is onething that has never explained away, like

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how that was made to look likethat. And there apparently there was a
deleted scene that did explain had anexplanation for how it was done. You
know, the guy that pulled thisoff. Well, I thought it was
pretty clear that he had done it. And then, you know, because
I just thought that that was whathappened, I didn't really question it.

(01:09:10):
Well, no, like, howdid the painting when he went back not
have holes in it anymore? Yeah? Actually, well they like he didn't
ruin it like like he did thefirst night. He had a second one.
Yeah, I can't remember what therewas. There was an explanation.
It was something like that that theyhad switched out or something like that.
But that was one the one thingthat was deleted from the finished film that
didn't explain how he pulled that off. There was another weird thing that I

(01:09:32):
looked up and I just couldn't gothere because it was getting to be,
you know, written a rabbit hole. But there's a weird scene where he's
walking and that dog walks by.Did you see that scene There's a dog
right behind him. It's like anairdale or something. It's like it's like
it had to be. They knewit was in the shot. It was
like almost right next to him andkept walking. And apparently it had something

(01:09:53):
to do with a deleted scene aswell, because they gets the dog shows
up again in another part of themovie. But it was really obvious because
you remember when the black cat jumpsout at him, and that was like
one of those it was just thatobvious. But this dog just walking right
behind him. It was very,very weird, and apparently that has something
to do with a deleted scene too. But so he spends the night in
the house, writes the article,a very successful article. Everyone's loving it

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well. Nicholas Simmons, the nephewof the murder suicide people, because he
wants to tear the house down becausehe wants to develop it and also rid
of any memories in that house.And this is where it gets a little
bit like it's It gets a littlecomplicated because the man who ran the bank
was supposed to sign off because itwas a lean on the house. So

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the man who ran the bank,Nicholas Simmons says, you got to sign
off on this. He was goingto, but it turns out that his
wife, Rita Shaw says, Iowned fifty one percent, and I'm into
the occult society, and yes,I own fifty one percent of the bank.
And this is the first time we'vehad hunting in our in our myths.
And they have this little occult societywhere all the old lady you know,

(01:11:00):
just seances and things like that.So she says, absolutely, no
way, are you going to tearthis house down. Well, you know,
it's interesting, it's interesting. Uh, this was a thing in the
know, probably more like the lateeighteen hundreds into their you know, early
half in the nineteen hundreds, thisoccult, especially with women that were like
women's groups that was just like this, what this group was like. It
was very common back then they wouldum do seances and try to contact the

(01:11:24):
dead. Uh and um, itwas it was like a big thing back
then. It was kind of likewhat our paranormal TV shows are today.
Back then it was usually I thinkit was largely it was usually women's groups.
This is something that they were superinto, um back then, say
for whatever reason. So I thoughtit was really interesting when that popped up,
this you know, a psychic occultgroup with their banner. Ye up.

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I was like era, like aboard housewife thing maybe you know,
uh, for people to have themeans to be able to do that that
were it was also, you know, entertaining was more popular back then.
It was way to entertain basically wassomething to do. I want to play
board games, you don't want tolike summon the dead. I guess that's
where Weiga boards came in when theythey became board you know, parlor family

(01:12:11):
games. They still sell them ingame stores. You know Wicha boards.
People there opening portals up left andright. Man. Yeah, mate made
by Milton Bradley, which fascinating andif you use it you can contact him.
Yeah, no kidding. So soRita Shaw who she played now.
She played Martha, the housekeeper inthe in the show The Ghost of Missus

(01:12:33):
mew Er when that became a sitcomon Interesting okay, And she was also
one of the two housekeepers in MaryPoppins, her and Hermione Baddeley that were
the singing Housekeepers. She was alsoin The Loved One, that famous spoof
on Forest Lawn, Escape from WitchMountain and uh, and she is in

(01:12:54):
um the Columbarium of Remembrance of ForestLawn, right across from Hank Kimball from
Green Acres. They're almost next doorto each other. So she died on
January eighth, nineteen eighty two,of emphysema, and she's buried it for
a slawn. So but she's anotherone in all of those shows, all
of those shows, and she mand also that that thing she kept saying

(01:13:15):
that the chant it was Taro caroselima. Then all those ladies are flipping
out. God, I love it. It's so funny. But uh,
and they do that thing where he'swalking by and they touch him and they
all pass out from the cosmic vibration. Cosmic vibrations. Man, yeah,
you got to feel it. Soum And then okay, So then the

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other thing we have is then theghost a trial. You know, they
make him spend the night in thehouse a second time. That brings us
to Charles Lane, who played theattorney in representing Nicholas Simmons, who was
suing the newspaper because a slander becausethere's no ghost in that house. Yeah,
yeah, and take it back orI'm suing you and Charles Lane,

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we talked about him. He wasin It's a Wonderful Life. He was
in Um Mister Smith Goes to Washington. He was in Arsenic and Old Lace.
He was best friends with Lucille Ball. He was in a Million a
Million. He was in a fewLucy's Shot, he was in the Munsters,
Andy Griffith, of course, TwilightZone, Beverly Hillbillies, h He'd
been in a ton of things.And he lived on Gretna Green and he

(01:14:21):
died. He was one hundred andtwo years old. He died in two
thousand and seven. But he livedabout like two doors down from Nicole Simpson.
And when you know, before shewas murdered, remember she and oj
had domestics, and there was atime when when when she called nine one
one, when he was beating downher door at a different address, not

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the one where she was murdered.And Charles Lane like lived next door or
two doors down from Nicole Simpson whenthat happened, because he was he would
talk about it like I was there, you know, they happened here,
and so it's kind of just kindof an interesting little aside. But but
he was um, he Adam twelveas well. He's been another one of
another, one of those actors thatwas in everything but two thousand and seven

(01:15:05):
July ninth, he died in SantaMonica and uh Bewitched though you remember which
certainly he played that. He wasin the Nightmare the Night Before Christmas spoof,
were you know, the grumpy clientof Darren's who didn't believe in Christmas.
You gotta work on Christmas? Goon? Is all your names?
No? No, no, let'ssay so nod you're adding something to that

(01:15:30):
now. I'm going to try todo this fast because some of them are
just going to tick them off thelist. But I don't know any of
these names. Okay, so CharlesCharles Lane. I loved in the movie
is how the old ladies were oldladies not very anazing to say, and
all the older women who were inthe Psychic Society were hissing at them when
they walked into the literally. Ilove that. It was cool. And

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then they brought into to testify atthe trial of lose their shanity. They
brought in Ellen Corby, who playedthe grandmother on The Waltons, who was
also It's a Wonderful Life. She'dbeen in Andy Griff. I think she
played a bank robber and Andy Griffinlike a mom Barker kind of a character.
She was in Vertigo, she wasin Sabrina, she was the glass
Bottom Bow. She was in Iremember Mama, and of course Adam's family

(01:16:16):
Beverly Hillbillies. I love Lucy andand she's the one who kind of,
you know, we're testifying towards Luther'ssanity because everyone thinks he exaggerated this whole
ghost story when he printed when theyprinted it in the paper, and she's
like, oh, no, youknow, he's a good boy. He
had the best imagination and started talkingabout how he told everyone he was the
son of the Prince of Wales andthen he could pick up the military right

(01:16:42):
and his cavities, military like broadcastson his cavity. So that kind of
that kind of destroyed his credibility.And she was so sweet because she came
out said, I you know,I hope I did well for you Luther
afterwards, and she actually just threwa wrench and his all his life,
completely crushed his life. Yeah,but most people remember her as the grandmother
on the Waltons and who was alifetime a lifelong bachelorette as they said,

(01:17:10):
you know what I mean, andI think you do. And Ellen died
on April fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine. She was eighty seven years old in
Woodland Hills, California, at theMotion Picture Country on So that was really
those are the biggies that were inthe that they were in the in the
movie, I mean the rest ofthem, you know, the rest of

(01:17:30):
the movie. We probably shouldn't tellthe whole rest of the movie because people
should see it. We're want tospoil the whole thing. We told quite
a bit. But the ending there'sa twist and uh, you know,
the supernatural thing is called into questionand it's one of the Scooby Doo endings,
but in a good way, ina good way. Yeah, I
quite liked it. Like I thought, the whole thing was done really well.

(01:17:53):
I did look up one of theone of the art directors. His
name was Alexander Golitzen, who wontwo Academy Awards. He did one at
forty three for Phantom of the Operawith Nelson Eddie, but he won the
Academy Award for To Kill a Mockingbergas a as a kidding. Yeah,
well, yeah, the art directionwas amazing too. Credit was in black
and white too to be to beYeah, and one of the greatest opening

(01:18:15):
credit sequences ever, really beautiful andput I'm sure his art direction was a
part of that great kind of macrophotography of like marbles and kids things,
really beautiful opening credit sequence. Yeah, he got the Oscar for that,
and he also was nominated for anOscar for his last movie, which was
Earthquake. Oh really, his lastmovie was Earthquake, which is a good

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one. They say it was agood one to go out on because that
was a huge success that movie was. And uh and uh yeah, so
Alexander he the co art director witha band named George Webb, who had
you know, didn't have as manyinteresting credits to his name, but no
less, very very important to thismovie. Yeah. And then lastly,
the most the interesting creature person Ifound was was I say creature and it's

(01:19:05):
actually appropriate. Rose Rosemary Odell,who was the costumer on this movie,
was also the costumer and creature fromthe Black Lagoon and to Kill and to
Kill a Mockingbird. Wow, that'sinteresting. So they grabbed so they had
their art director and costumer were bothto kill a mockingbird. Yeah, that's

(01:19:29):
very interesting, m I there werea lot of incestuous you know, sort
of with our cannibal eyes or howeveryou want to put it. You know,
people, because there's so many degreesof similarities. You were in this,
and you worked on that, andyou got this, and yeah,
all these people were interacting. Ican also tell you, though I don't
know how it was then, itis probably something similar. But now you
know, if you have like aproduction manager who's kind of their job to

(01:19:51):
help find a lot of those extracrew positions like that, Um, you
know, they have their people thatthey like, and so there might have
been a producer production manager on thisfilm who just he may if you look
at their background, you might findout, Oh there's the link. That's
the person who's bringing these people andreusing them together over and over again because
they like working with them. Yeah, they're used to working with each other.

(01:20:13):
And costumes and work in set designusually have to go together. As
you're talking about color palettes and stufflike that. There's there's usually a connection
between those two things. So,um, that makes sense. God,
you're so smart, Mike. That'ssome nerdy Hollywood stuff that kind of stuff.
It's really I mean I've known people, like I've known people that didn't

(01:20:33):
get hired onto it. You know, a thing that I worked on,
for example, because the production managerhad their own people that they wanted to
hire. Basically, so yeah,I get it. Yeah, it's incestuous.
You know, I have a goodrelationship with that person. I want
to work with them. Again,It's not necessarily nepotism because they people have
to pay their own weight, theyhave to come up with you know,

(01:20:54):
people have proven themselves to you thatyou know, do good work, so
of course you want to keep hiringthem. It's that that's normal. That's
not yet. It's like that's likeit's like the opposite of nepotism, like
they are in that spot by doinggood work in the past. Basically.
Yeah, right. Um. Ourour friend Kelly called this movie NTS Scary
Farm, and I thought that that'squite good. That's very like that's a

(01:21:15):
scary farm. So they good one. Um so is that it? Did
we do it? I think we'redone here. Yeah. I didn't want
to go into the ending because Iwant people to actually see it and not
know how it ends. But reallyI just love this movie so much.
And like I say, it's justencapsulates, you know, fun movies,

(01:21:36):
scary movies. Back when movies youknow, didn't have to terrify you yet
they were. They're spooky enough.Kinder the term I've heard before is called
kinder trauma, where you when you'rewhen you're a child and you see an
image that, uh that you'll neverforget. Like in the same bad movie,
there's a cyclops and when I wasa kid, I saw that was

(01:21:56):
like, I'll never forget that.It's like ingrained in my head. So
yeah, there's there's several kinder traumamoments. The garden shears in the throat
with the blood on the painting,that's very terrifying. For nineteen sixty six,
it's pretty pretty terrifying. So umso, and that was the point.
But uh but it wasn't gross.It was you know it was,

(01:22:16):
but it was gross. A bleedingpainting with scarten shears in the throat.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,but I think I think I've covered everything
I want to. Well, well, we did your favorite Halloween movie.
I think we should do my favoriteChristmas movie for holidays wife, Yes,

(01:22:40):
yes, yes, yes, yeah, with you know Carrie Grant and Lauretta
Young and David Niven. Of course, just a classic. And I used
to work um on the lot wherethey filmed it. So they filmed that
on which now called the lot whichis next to Formosa Cafes. That a
lot there used to be I thinkused to be called I think he used
to be to Warners back in theday, but now it's just called the

(01:23:01):
lots they're on Santa Monica. Yeahit was, Yeah, it was.
That's where United Artists started and Ithink open for a long time too.
But yeah, oh definitely. Oprahis still the own building, the building
of the office building, her ownthe own network. Oprah is still there
and she still shows up there aboutonce a month for relatings and to do
you know it, you know,psa vo voiceovers and stuff like that.

(01:23:26):
Yeah, checks pick up her check. Yeah. Have you ever off topic
a bit in front of that studio? You ever seen a diorama up there
in front of that studio, Oh, the kind of the one that's on
Santa Monica Boulevard. Yes, yeah, I have. I've stopped and looked
at it before. It's really odd. It's like metal look in the little

(01:23:46):
door and you could see like allthe movie equipment. And yeah, it's
so bizarre that I've I didn't evenknow it was there until like three years
ago. Yeah, and uh,surpar as, no one's you know,
broke in it yet, but youknow, we're straight painted it. They
had to close it up as aReally that is a really bizarre little thing.

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Also, if you ever see ifyou ever see the film Trumbo about
Dalton Trumbo, the screenwriter that gotblacklisted, one of my favorite films in
the past decade. Just really welldone period piece from that era. King
Pictures. The King Pictures office thatthey go in and out of is the
lot. It's one of those axteriorfacing doors. Did they go in and
out of there? I think theylook like they probably filmed on Formosa for

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that. So cool. Yeah,No, I look forward to seeing that
movie. I've never seen it,so I look forward. Oh my gosh,
ah, it's great. You knowwhat it looks not Is it the
best Christmas holiday movie ever made?Probably not, but it's kind of like
this movie is for you as asentimental value. You know, it's a
movie I watched. That's probably theholiday movie I watched the most growing up

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the best. That's the difference.No, I get it because I saw
the remake. I knew I sawthe one with Houston, but I didn't.
I've never seen the original one,so we should give it the I
should give the Nenzel one a chance. I boycotted only because how a dare
you? How dare you remake myfavorite Christmas movie? But it's yeah,

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that's not doesn't really genuinely except morally, does it bother you? Uh?
You know, because you figured,well, the original still stands. You
know. I used to get alittle defensive when people like when they did
the Rocky Horror remake. You know, it's like people like, how this
is not outrage and it sucked,but the music is still good and I
enjoyed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I didn't bother me. Didn't

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affect the original one. And peopleare not talking about the Fox version of
Rocky Horror. You know, it'sstill not right, you know, so
right, that's true, But Iunderstand you get feel sentimental and protective.
I get that. I mean,so I didn't see Disturbia when it came
out, which was that with umshy La buff It was one of his

(01:25:58):
earlier films because it was. Isaw the trail, I'm like, oh,
it's a rip off of r window, Like again, how dare you?
Uh? And then I finally didwatch it. I actually that was
a pretty good movie. I actuallyenjoyed it, so I should give them
a fair shake, and I toit, that's a whole different thing.
If you're ripping it off, thatsucks. You know, that's that sucks.
That's that should be. That's like, that's wrong, that's really wrong

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when you Yeah, this was morelike definitely inspired by but it wasn't like
a rip off rip off. Itwas the disturbut it was not like a
straight rip off of It was thatthey went in saying, what if a
John Hughes had made a thriller,but if you had a John Hughes teen
movie, but it was a thriller, that was like the vibe they went
for. So yeah, it wasit was interesting. Huh. Yeah,

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all right. And Shyla buff hashad his problems, I know, but
this is before he had all thoseproblems. Yeah, yeah, he's he's
just just a cute kid that wasin a Transformer movie, you know,
and then he just turned into adisaster. Anyway. Yeah, by the
way, I love your Dealer DepartedJack o'lanard. I just noticed it.
I was trying to figure out whatthat was. Somebody somebody gave it to

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me and then the other side,Oh amazing they that made Yeah, it's
awesome. I what a good giftit was. It was nice, all
right? Well at a boy Scott, I had a boy Mike. I

(01:27:23):
waited all episode to say that Ilove your print. Hey, and you
can get an ad a boy LutherT shirt. Did you know that with
don Knots's face on it? Googleit it exists. Sounds fun. Yeah,
through actually really nice design. Irecommend it cool. I'll check it
out. Thank you. All right, guys, thanks to everybody for listening.

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Remember, maybe we can find thecarpenters. Oh that's right, Yes,

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we keep talking about it. Yeah, yeah, I've got I've got all
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