DCP 435 - 10 Foot Earthworrms and 28 Handed Goats - Destiny Community Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to episode four thirty five ish of
the DCP podcast plus side Quest. Well, I got a
question for you. How many holes are the straw?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm glad. I don't know where this is going.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
There's one hole in a stroll, But isn't there one
both ends? It's the same hole as the same hole.
It just continues all the way through the straw.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, what if it's.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Like the top of a well and asking if it's
one hole.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Or two mm? Was that there's a bottom to that hole?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Let's say it. Okay, it's gonna getting graphic. Let's say
I shot you Briah, Yes, would there be one hole
of through holes?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
In?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Is it a through?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
And leave your body?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Through? And through and through and through? Did the guts
like close up?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Is there no obstruction? Like if I can peek straight through?
He's asking, you know you know that?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
You know? Did you ever watch that movie?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Was it like a magic JFF cablet? Do you remember
seven holes? Way in the.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Movie he kung pound and goes and he punches his
perfect hol in the.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Guy underrated movie. By the way, what if.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I straw, if you pinch you know what? Then you
go two holes to hold.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
What if it's a flexi straw and I just bend it?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Is it is?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
That is?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
It is a liquid cuts off?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
No, you can still suck through it.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
The one, the one I'll win.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
What if it's like a fun straw?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know what I'm telling you?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Fucking Now, the better be pile for this. There better
be a big pile for this.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think Briar's onto something, because do you think about Like,
if there's a cave right and there's on one side
of the mountain there's the entrance hole and on the
other side there's the exit. If you were going to say, hey,
I'm going to go through myland's cave up on the mountain,
they'd be like, well, which hole are you going in?
You're going in the west hole, You're going in the
east hole.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Even though it's all still connected. Yeah, yeah, And then
and then Briar makes it real weird.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I guess, I guess your mouth is connected to your offe.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Hole.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Everybody, all of us is that.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
We all have one hole.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
And that is how we achieved world peace between the genders.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Now we can all use the same bathroom safely.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Now we got that figure out.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Alert and alert the media. How's everybody doing? Uh? Really?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
There was nothing else to that bit apart from asking
about his short holes.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I was just curious what you thought.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I've got a whole pack of Tim TAM's of
eight and E. I was on the on the Vodkas
buying Battlefield last night. It's been a good, good evening, Malon.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Are you aware that there's a I don't know if
it's a myth or true, but there's a there's a
myth in North America that in Australia toilets swirl in reverse.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Simpson that was like a Simpsons thing that it was around.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Before the Simpsons.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
It was I'm sure, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, probably, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Isn't that meant I'm aware of the myth? Yes?

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yes, you you're not telling us, you're being a low cage.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Question.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I thought this conversation, I never know, Mylon, I've got
myth we got to talk about.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, along those lines, I've got a book that you know,
we always do reading with my kids at bedtime every night,
and one of the books you read is just a
random It's got a collection of random facts and interesting things.
And last nights I was like I gotta ask Milan
about this. The like fun fact of the night that
it left us with is that in Australia there's a
species of earthworm that grows, you know, anywhere between three

(04:36):
and ten feet long, and they're huge and they gurgle
like you can. You can hear them when they're close
to the service because they make gurgling noises.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Where are they?

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I don't know if I don't know, No, that's a
great idea for a from soft Boss. It goes on
the ground to hear it gurgling, but you can't, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yes, it's a thing.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
What's cold?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I just googled gurgling Australian earthworm, the giant It's called
the giant Gippsland earthworm Giant g I P P s
l A n D gip Sland. They've got videos of
a gurglings.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I got to hear it.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's I don't really want to.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
We have a thumbnail Australia Enjoy Chad. Oh my god,
the thing looks like a snake.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Does look like a snake?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Wow, you haven't encountered.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Probably give me you.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Haven't run into those?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, I mean, I'll show you. It's not like Rhode Island.
There's lots of different places.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's kind of big, I suppose kind of big.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's got a big.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Any other question, Gord.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Did you finish?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
I did?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
What you would you end up thinking about that game?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
I ended up really liking it.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
I think that it really excels in level slash world
design because it's all connected, and I really like that.
The exploration feels like really good. Basically, if there's a
short cut, you're like, it feels like there should be
a short cut right now, there's gonna be a short
cut there.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, I felt all of that was really great.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
The spells that you get and the options for combat
I think are also really great. Yeah, they look really cool,
they feel cool to use. Yeah, I do think that
they falter on like boss combat design.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
I think a lot of the bosses look really cool,
but a lot of them have infinite stamina.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
They don't stop going, and then it ends up that, oh, well,
the way that you defeat all of these bosses is
by heavy attacking them in the back, and that's what
you end up doing because there's no other way to
like stop them from moving. So but a lot of
the like monster enemies actually felt a bit better in
that terms. I think like they had a combo they
did and then they stopped, and then a combo they

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did and then they stopped, whereas the humans would just
go go go, go, go, go, go, never stop. But
even then I think it's I think their enemy combat
design is good.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I don't think it's bad.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I'd probably give it like maybe a maybe a six
for combat like enemy design, but then the level design
and stuff, I'd go much higher.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I agree with basically everything you said there. I
really did enjoy the fact that you could you could
just like out on a whim switch your weapon type
and just completely build out a skill tree and you're
just like you're basically if you were on you know,
your short sword. You can just like move everything over
to the great axe and you're just like you're completely

(08:25):
leveled up to where you were with the short sword.
I thought that was pretty fun.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
I really enjoyed that as well.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah, you could have like a plus seven one handed sword,
and then you could have a plus seven great acts
because all of your axes are now leveled up and
because it's all done in the tree. I think that
was a really good way of doing it. Because I, yeah,
I tried different builds the whole way.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Did you end up having a favorite wenchend or like
a weapon class.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I think the.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
One that I ultimately ended up really liking was doing
the one handed sword feathering build specifically, so using all
of the feathering magic.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
And for those who haven't.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Played, magic is like ice and there'll be fire and
like magical stuff, and then feathering would be corruption poison,
and then if it's not that, it's like kind of
darker magic like wings and spears and that kind of stuff.
So I ended up liking those ones.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I felt like that was ended up being the hardest way,
especially on the bosses, like toward the end of the game,
because it just didn't do the damage that you wanted
to get done, so you just had to you really
had to be good at dodging.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I think I ended up I don't.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
I don't think this was like a necessarily good way
of Actually, no, it ended up being a pretty good way.
I ran a build where I had increased damage, they
do less damage and I take less damage when they're blighted,
so I would blight them and then I would use
the big like stab in spear feather attack while they
were blighted.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
So it would do like a ton of damage.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
I really, I did, really, really really enjoy that. Also,
the downside of the one handed sword, because it's essentially
like a glorified wand is that you don't do any
like stagger damage build up at all. But with the
spear spell, it does a ton of build up, oh does.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
So that was kind of yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
And it would knock the humans over, they just fall over,
just to knock them in the air fall over.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I really like to using the great acts like that
was kind of like my favorite one just because it
felt so damn powerful in it and the sound was
just like da, They just felt good, you know, especially
in boss fights. But when I really had to like, okay,
it's time to get shit done here, it was the
long sword, the two handed sword.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
I stayed away from the long sword because a lot
of time would I do if I'm enjoying just about
every weapon, I'll look through the directory and see what
people are using, and it.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Was like long sword logs, ord logs, ord logs or logs.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
And I'm like, okay, I want to If I wasn't streaming,
then like who cares?

Speaker 4 (10:59):
But I don't right.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
It's clearly the she's way better than.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
It's the cannon weapon for sure, and there was one
that I really wanted to use. It was like a
corruption long storm, but I ended up I did end
up really enjoying some of the builds that I did
I ended up getting. I was lucky enough to figure
out some of the side quests myself, and I got
a blight specific spear where it has a it has

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a discipline attack where you could blow up.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
The blank damage.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
So what Blake does in this game is that it
lowers their health for a certain amount of time, but
then after it basically goes away.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
It doesn't really do anything.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
But if you have the spear, it will lower their health,
you'll blow up that damage, and then it stays off
of their health bar.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
So that was really nice.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I ended up really being That's what I ended
the game with, especially like it's a fifty dollars game
on game Pass, Yeah, it's on game Pass, like it
just like it was better than I thought it was
going to be going into I think, especially what you're
saying that the exploration felt really get into. So like
the last level, I just didn't love the Capitol. Yeah,

(12:12):
it was named the Capitol. So I was like, when
do we get to like, you know, this like cool
Chinese capital, you know, like, no, that's not what they
you're in it.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
I fell through the elevator a couple of times trying
it off too early. So this area, by the way,
is like ledges, and there's like laser beams shooting you,
and then there's an enemy shooting balls at you. And
then there's an enemy right in front of you that
you have to kill, and then you're getting corruption, which
does damage over time.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
The entire way.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
The game where you had to wear the corruption panties.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yes, yes, the spare panties. Yes, yes, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm ordering a pair off Amazon for myself. I really like.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
He's just that paranoid about the corruption Buffy, l Hey, look, despair.
Can hat want to be prepared? You know, I really can't.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I really can't have a bair panties to clear that up.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, you could find out that you haven't been paid
by somebody who owes you money about it.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I feel like I've had my disbad panties on a
whole week.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah at this point. Yeah, that's the thing. I kind
of wanted to lead up to you, right is they
just released a massive patch, which players have been really
looking forward to you because they announced like two weeks
ago that they were going to change to two of
the biggest issues a lot of people have had. One
is that the get up animation, like you're once you've

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been knocked over, which happens a lot against bosses in
this game. Your animation to like stand up is really long,
and you're vulnerable kind of while that's happening, which can
lead to bosses basically just like pile driving you. You know,
like you just can't get out of the way, and
once you play for a while, you kind of figure
out ways to kind of avoid that either by like

(14:04):
kind of slowly getting up and letting them attack and
then you get up kind of. But they increase the
speed of that animation, and they also increase the speed
of the animation to heal y, which I haven't tried yet,
and I'm kind of glad that I've finished with the
game before they made these changes, because they also made
some really weird changes.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Yes to characters.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Characters, do you want to explain?

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (14:31):
So Wuchang was initially getting review bombed by a certain
group of people in China. Now I don't speak Chinese,
so it's very hard to get like the actual full fledged.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Story of what is going on.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
But the basics of it is that Wuchang it's not
a historically accurate game, but it's set during a historical period,
and so all the people that are in the game
are some of some of the or mythical, some of
them are actually based on real people.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
And you were able.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
To kill a certain Chinese ethnic group of farmers in
the game, and they were getting review bombed and people
were saying that they're being traders because of the people
that you can kill in the game basically, So there
was a ton of pushback, not from the government like
they aim in China. I don't think you can get

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it on Steam, but like you can't, they don't have
a license to sell it. But they were getting a
lot of pushback and a lot of negative oh yeah,
it's okay, okay, choppy, they were good, okay.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
It was either it was either the internet or you
shut your pants.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
That looked like totally different.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
The trench is right now.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
So they had a bunch of pushback for for this stuff.
So in the most recent and the patch notes say
optimized the exhaustion animation for certain NPCs, and what this

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means is that you cannot kill any historically significant bosses
or MPCs. Instead, they just get tired after a fight
and they go, oh, huh, you've bested me.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Good chap. I'm gonna take it.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
That was good.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I'm living cheerio.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
So they also removed the prey gesture, which you got
from a Portuguese Christian character that is no longer in
the game. The entirety of chapter four is really easy
because fifty percent of the enemies are now non hostile
to the player because it's a rebellion attack, so you
can't attack them and they won't attack you. Yeah, so

(17:06):
there's there's there's a lot of them. I've actually been
following someone he's called Lance McDonald on Twitter. He's playing
through the game again and trying to see all of
these changes, and.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Uh, yeah, they don't they don't die. They go, oh,
that was a trial, and you.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Are free to go, sir.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
I'm a little tired, so I'm not going to stop you.
It's all just that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
You can take pictures right next to the bosses now,
because they're just like tired. Yeah, so there's a lot
like there is all wild, there's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah interesting. I don't know, well I I don't know
enough about it to really give too much comment. Sure
on yeah any of that.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Certainly don't want to offend a cultural you know, icon
or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well, apparently it's the creator of the game or like
the head of the studio had been warned about this
ahead of time, that this may be a culturally sensitive issue,
and just kind of ignored the warnings and plowed ahead,
and then once the game was released, like it really
became you know, like the warnings were correct. So yeah,

(18:15):
like I don't know the culture, so I don't really know.
Yeah side I would fall on, but it does suck
for the game being kind of weird now.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Well then, also because I'm pretty sure it was I
don't know how many how many people have that opinion
of course, but apparently it wasn't. It was like more
of a fringe group who wanted them to change it.
So they're also getting attacked now by Chinese players who
were like why would you do that? That's stupid, Like
why would you give into.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Like a whate debate.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
And pretty much yeah, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
So it's all I can say is I'm glad that
I finished it when I did, because I've played it
in the you know, vision that the developers had.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
It sucks that.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, people who maybe waiting for this update to drop
because of the positive changes are now like a lot
of people were, yeah, yeah, sure, but if you get
a physical copy on like a console, you can play.
Just disconnect your console from the internet and you can play.
The og patch.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Plays awesome on the PlayStation Pro and it looks beautiful.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, well it is.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
It is. I'm having a look, Kia. It is proper
of fifty to fifty. It's forty five thousand negative reviews
and forty one thousand positive on.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Stam that that's up from what it was.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah hhmm huh.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
And some of these negative reviews now are people being like,
you know, it doesn't make any sense to comfort fragile
Chinese nationalism.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I was enjoying the game.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I would love a neutral, potty explanation of the down
the history of this and why it's insensitive and what
the hobab is and that's fascinating, Okay, yeah, because it's.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
It's not just like a couple of things, right, like
if if the bosses they you know, you defeat them
and then they kind of just like nap or they're
tired or something that's not as bad. But changing voice
lines and changing a whole chapter to essentially like a
worst version of itself is is crazy.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
There's there's decisions you can make that would make chapter
four like the last chapter you play like the final
level of the game too, mm be crazy. They're just
like with the last level of the game, that would
be weird.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's weird. It's they've they've now.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Made fighting through like the temple area.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Oh, I can't remember, it's during yeah, during the rebellion.
It might be yeah, yeah, yeah, the rebel camp.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I think, jeez, crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, I have to watch a video and I hope
I can find someone that can. Yeah, I'm sure in
the situation.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
If you can speak Chinese, please contact us.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
I would like you to investigate and tell me what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
I feel like I could be taking advantage of so
easily though, like somebody can oh, definitely yeah to their
point of view, like yeah, that's okay, that makes sense.
Having no like background knowledge on any of it and.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Was this straight away because I feel like this I
didn't hear about this on relays. Has this slightly been
bubbling away?

Speaker 5 (21:51):
It has just Yeah, it got review bombed pretty quickly
when it came out, But this patch came out like
what yesterday.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
It's kind of rignoted the conversation, I guess because they
removed stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I think it's almost like not to the same except
but it's like like, imagine your country won a war
and then you you kind of place the game where
you play as like kind of the the other side, right,
and you you kind of revisionist history in the game.

(22:26):
I don't know, like uh, I mean in the in
the civil war and you win.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
But yeah, I mean you do have games like that though,
you know, like I mean, he'll let Lucy play as Nazis.
You know, you play as that, you play as a
gentleman's during I ever want to do that.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
One of the most fun things to do in all
of video games. Kill Nazis.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Kill Nazis.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, the best. There should be more. Frankly, we're
getting new Nazis all the time, so keep them coming.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So if they literally just made it's just like easy
content the game is literally called kill Nazis Nazis. It's
just like every alms, just a new way to approach
killing Nazis.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
You'd be in it. Yeah, I would buy that game.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
You want to do it on a boat?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Want to Nazis?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Do on a train? We'll do a train one, all right.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Weird story. Yeah, that's uh, that's weird.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
I I'm definitely yeah, I don't. I don't agree, but
which whatever it's doing and whoever they're killing, I don't
agree with completely changing your game for the worst because
some people are upset about it.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, yeah, it stakes that it kind of breaks up
the narrative of the game and kind of kind of
ruins parts of the game. I hope hopefully they fix
it or at least make that like a Chinese only
change and like the rest of the world can have.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Like it's too gory to even be like actually sold
in China.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Really so they don't even know, No, they don't.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
I don't think they have a been able to get
a license to actually sell it there.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
So I picked up a PlayStation portal, which is like
the oh, the handheld that you play attached to a PlayStation,
not physically attached but like through Wi Fi, I think
you can do it over cellular as well, Like you
don't have to be in your home Wi Fi anymore,
you can you can do it remotely. And I tried
to play a little bit of Woo Chang, and I

(24:23):
tried to play a little bit of Ninja Guide and
Rage Bound. No, not happened really too much. There's just
too much lag.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Really.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
I suppose if you're playing a game that had like
it was a little less about you know, parrying and
dodging out of the way and like fast like reaction
times like Wuchang and Rage Bound both are, I might
have been a little more forgiving. But man, it was
the latency that you know, because these things work where

(24:55):
your controls get sent to the console and then the
video gets sent to your handheld, And it just felt
like there's too much of a lag. Even when you're
like spinning the camera around, you know, you just didn't
hit that spot like you're used to. Yeah, yeah, it's
all just like and it's you know, I'm sure it's milliseconds,

(25:17):
but man, it was so immediately noticeable. I ended up
returning it, like I didn't even want to fuck with
it anymore. It was like it was it was like,
I wouldn't call it unplayable, but it was not a
pleasurable experience. They're a, yeah, it was really comfy and
what a beautiful screen on the thing. Like, other than

(25:37):
the fact that it was, you know, unplayable, it was
a great experience because you're holding like a PlayStation five controller,
which is really a comfortable controller in my opinion. Yeah,
thumbsticks like the little mushroom top the mushroom cap a
little smaller. Don't know why they had to do that.
They had enough room to put just like a full
size thumb grip on there, but uh, I don't know.

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Other than that, it was very comfortable. It was light weight,
the battery seemed to last a long time. The screen
was huge and bright and really looked good. Only runs
at sixty fps, I believe, but you know for handheld fine. Yeah,
but yeah, I ended up returning almost right away, like
hours later after I brought it home.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I played this and I don't like it, thank you?
Uh won't we've been playing this week?

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Ah hah, I have news.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Okay. First, let we'll start with night Rain, because goat
man has hands, and actually he does.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
He has a hand attached to his staff.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I have news this little build up like she was
dropping some huge bahamas.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Twenty four hands. Nope, maybe more, maybe more than twenty
four hands.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Uh So, if you don't know what Elden Ring Knight
Rain is doing, they're bringing out hard mode versions of
all of their bosses. They're called ever Dark. This week
is Libra. It's the goat man. He inflicts you with madness.
He casts spells and he does like a big meditation
thing and then goes nuts.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
He's always been the one that we've been like, oh
he's harp Moon. I don't know about that one.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Well, now what he does is there will be a
moment where he summons clones of you. So he will
summon if you're in a team of three, he will
summon three people and they will be the characters that
you are playing, and they won't necessarily be using the
weapons that you're using either, so they could.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
It's quite unpredictable.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
It's not like you can just be like, I'm just
gonna get one good weapon and the rest crap to
try and get these clones to use crappy stuff against me.
You can't do that, so they will start attacking you,
and you're like, okay, just kill the guys.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Well, he has a bunch of other things that he does, so.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
He can do. I sent this to mylin, so don't
look at it, I said. Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
So one of the things he can do he can
shroud all allies, so all of your teammates go invisible.
This means that if you are down, you cannot lock
onto them, nor can you see their body, but you
can see swirly purple visual effects of an enemy being
a friendly being downed. The other thing that he will
do is called false blessing, where every time you use

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your HP flask, it will not use it. However, you
will lose a level every time you take a sip.
He has another one called inescapable eye, where it has
no good effect for you at all. It will just
build up madness meter when visible, and eventually you prock

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madness and beata big bed of them. He then has
another one called preach madness, where he adds madness status
build up to your attacks and the NPCs, so everyone's
inflicting madness everywhere could go well.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
For you, madness.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
The other thing he does is called insight ryot, where
he doubles.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
The number of NPCs that he summons, so if he
summons three, he's summoning six.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
So you have six NPCs running.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Around and they're not that bad, but they hurt really bad,
Like you can get them down kind of fast, but
they are very, very painful. And then there's another thing
that he does where he puts like this big he
cuts the map into four segments with a light wall,
and if you go anywhere near that light.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Wall, you lose a ton of health.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
And then he has another thing that he does where
he just reduces your max HP by fifty and you
have to survive and then eventually it will go back up
what at all? And the whole time he's he's attacking you,
he's summoning uh circles on the floor, he's doing madness
stuff out of the sky. The entire time, it's it

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feels like you're playing an MMO raid boss.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Really, it's how do.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
You feel about the difficulty level?

Speaker 5 (30:27):
I don't know if I can clear uh this guy
unless I go solo. I've actually heard the solo is
not bad at all because uh he scales, but also
he won't he'll only be summoning one person. So even
if he doubles it, it's two, you know, so if
you're two, even if you're three people dealing with six,

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it's like way harder to manage than one person dealing
with two. Because some of the NPCs, like we actually
had a run where there were two Wilders with great
bows and they were both sitting there spamming ail attacks.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
We're just running for our lives.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
That's kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
So honestly it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
But I actually do enjoy it and I want to
play more of it because I think it it's so
well designed for what he is. He's the goat of madness,
and he's making you like not be able to see things.
He's making you see double he's making you like I really,
I really do enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I think the only thing I think when I hit it,
it's like, yeah, I want to play more of that
and learn it. But it's like you've got to get
through a full run to experience it again.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
It's not like elderly when you've got a checkpoint just
then you can run back and you can learn it
and practice it and then like slowly get it. You
kind of get you get one shot every forty minutes.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, do you reckon?
It would be good to have like a boss battle
practice mode, sound like an arena boss where you could

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practice and they could go a little bit crazier with
the mechanics like that and start making them feel even
more tough, because because I feel like we kind of
smash through it, right and you just really trying to
get your build rid of and then you get to
the boss and it's like shine so hard compared to
everything else you've done in the run. Yeah, and then
then it feels like Dark Souls, You're like, shit, new

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we are playing? Yeah, yeah, we're not just ganking everyone
and like stunning them like I like it. I think,
I think. I think more mechanics is good. It's it
is a bit rough. I think if you're only getting
to look at the mechanics every forty minutes or so,
I have a long it takes to get to get
to the boss.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah, it's definitely tough.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Like honestly, Caligo last week, which is the Frost Dragon
that was also a pretty tough fight.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
All of the ones before that.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
I mean, maybe you're doing it once or twice, maybe
before you you're successful. So this is really the only
the only ones that we've gotten where it's like you
might spend a while to get it down.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's a weird naming. Libra is not a goat, right.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
I don't know they have they have a bunch of names,
Like they will have the name of the Quest, and
then they'll have the name of the boss and it
will be like different, So.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
That's the name of the boss.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Oh, I don't know the full things.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
They also brought out duo mode. It's a good reminder.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Yeah, they they now have a duo mode because they
only launched with solo and trio, so now you can
load in with duo and it properly scales for two people.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
It makes sense. It feels great.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yeah, it feels like exactly where you would expect it
to be for duo. It's also really nice as duo
because you obviously matter more, like what you're doing individually
matters more than when you're in a trio, but you
have someone else to kind of fall back on. So yeah,
I think I think it.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
It feels great. I really really like to do good stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I checked out Dungeon Stalkers did you guys heard about this?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Wait was this? I think this was a game I
was going to tell you about.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, it's an extraction? Is it an extraction?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Was what I was going to tell you about? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I saw.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
I saw a trailer for it, and I was like,
I should just tell mylen about this because he looks
like he was like.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
If you ever played Dark and Darker? So Dark and
Darker is an extraction, And Dark and Dogga was the
only extraction game after I've played Tago that I really liked,
and I played a lot of different ones, and then
Dark and just slowly fell off Dark and Dagger. I mean,
I think a lot of extraction games go on that
like ends up being like balancing and is only so

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much like dying you can take and lose in your
gear before people might get frustrated. I think Dark and
Ducker kind of fell into that trap. But overall, I
think that was really good for the genre. It is
almost exactly the same, but third person with doing it
just big Berzukus. And when you're when your armor breaks,

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you like you basically go down to the underwear, so like,
so you have like armored your ability, so you're getting
in a fire. Then I'm like, wow, I've got no fire,
Like I'm nagged.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Briar was playing the like mech game or something that
he was like, I don't know if I like this.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh yeah, that was way too creepy.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
And then you got what was it called when You
Got Broke?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, it was something it was really interesting.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, it was like when you when you broke the armor.
It was something cold. It was like ego break or
something crazy.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, Briar, Briar was Briar was uncomfortable with that game,
so something similar.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean this one was this called Collaterrious Blaze, and
I can't remember what the break was called, but I
mean the gimmick of this was you would the worst
you beat up on the bosses, the more naked the
boss character would get. Okay, one of the girls canonically

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in the game was like twelve years old, Like, yeah,
twelve year old girl in like this wasn't like, oh,
there's a demon that you know looks like a twelve
year old girl, so we can like justify our pedophilia. No,
it was it was us.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah that's a hard no, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
They're not twelve in Dunion Soccers though, from what I
can tell certainly, not very not twelve.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, yeah, eight away. I was interested just checking it
out because you know, I did like doc and doc
or anything like in that genre. I think like extraction
shooters shooters mixed with like dungeon crawlers. I think it's
like a cool genre mix because you start adding magic
and you you know, corridors and the pacing can be
quite nice and you get you get monsters and skeletons

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and so like, and you have bosses in this too.
But there were no Oceania servers and the connection was
absolutely awful. And if you want to see like how
quickly an extraction shooter dies. If you don't have good connection,
go play Dungeons Dog, because I don't think it's going
to be around for long. I mean, I know it's
in early access, but like this is when you're doing

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an extraction shoot man, you can't be dying and like
not see how you died and like just get lagged
and people just teleporting out of the place and then
lose your gear like cool. People would just literally quit
on that one game alone if that happens. And unfortunately,
the servers weren't there for me, so I don't know
how it feels to other people, but it is third

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person rather than first person, and I, you know, it
was a bit hard to play with the lag as
well and to really give it a good shot. But
I had like four or five games and it wasn't
really clicking. There was It's like trying to play Devil
May Cry with an extraction shooter. There was a lot
of visual effects on the screen. I think that's also
really hard to get into because you need to you know,

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you need to be able to make plays and see
what you're doing and see your targets. And there was
a lot of like visual clutter happening, and that could
just be like getting used to it. You know, if
I go watch Legal Legends, I'll be like, oh my god,
I don't know what the hell is going on the screen,
But eventually you get used to it. But yeah, Legal Legends,
you don't lose your entire account when you die, right,

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so it's like there's going to be enough of appeal
to be like, oh, yeah, I'll get back in there.
And I didn't. I didn't feel that pull to get
to get back in, and there really wasn't much point
without a good server connection.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
So yeah, I saw a review call it Thick and Thicker,
and I.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Like that bounce.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Man.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Now, the thing is it is a clone of Dark
and Darker. It really is like from the loot you
pick up the style Darker Darker did this thing where
you had blue teleporters and if you found a blue
teleporter you would get out of the raid. If you
found a red teleporter. It takes you down to a

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higher level area, down to like a deeper dungeon, and
there'll be more bosses and there's harder enemies, but you
get better loot and you can like go down tiers.
It does exactly the same stuff. Similar classes set up
magic very similar like stat points distribution, where you'd you
get gear that gives you plus one strength plus one.
You know, so you're playing all that game as well,

(39:46):
which is you know, often the fun part with these
extraction ones is like making a build on the fly
and getting the right gear. But yeah, if it was smooth,
maybe I would give a little bit longer. But yeah, unfortunately,
I think it needs a little bit more time in
the cork and his early access, so I will probably
revisit it, and maybe they have more servers and they

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can they can get it right. But I mean, imagine
playing four Honor without good like connection on.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's like yeah, and you.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Lose your gear. So it's like you know when you
have these like PvP games at a melee, like the
connection is like so important and if you don't have
service for your region then there's no point blaying them.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
So yeah, think in the market, I'm sorry, TV, how
much room do you think in the market is there
for all these extraction games that are coming out.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I think a lot of people will getting them wrong.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Man and.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Our Grators, I think is the only one to get
it right since dar Golf, So I think there's room there.
I just think it's not as simple as I think
people think where you can just kind of put a
blueprint in for oh yeah, we'll just like blueprint that
and we'll make it an extraction shoe and that that
would be the exciting part of it is you lose
all your gear. There's a lot of complexity to it.

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I think it's like anything. I think you want devs
that are like really into the genre, understand the genre
to make those kind of games.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Create four because you've got to keep up the servers.
Like there's got to be like like quite a bit
of live service costs to it, right, you got to change.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I mean that's the thing. It's it's it's a cheat
as well, it's an anti cheat. It's got to be
really up to grade. It's your like servers and like
your your connections and stuff like that. And I think
at a higher level than I mean, I guess all
PvP games need to be at the high level because
if you don't have that stuff, that's what destroys your game, right,
Like you know to that cheat is Battlefield six Now

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it's like three hundred thousand people something gone.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
That's crazy, that's nuts.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
That is that the number?

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah, it was something like that. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I just thought the Catgirl one blowing up everywhere this
morning when I got up. Yeah, it's like I was
a cheat and it's like you you know, the gun's
just jumping all over the screen.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, that's been an interesting to buy. A lot of
people are like defending them, and a lot.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Of people are saying it's not cheating and that like
that is now like what people can do aim wise
if they you know, practice. Yeah, yeah, I saw one
from a from someone who was a former cheat dev
uh And they're like, they're not cheating. She's moving, she's
moving her hand and her sensitivity is probably really high

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and practice a lot. But I'm like, but you're right, TV,
like that is when you were like playing Apex or something,
you would watch for that movement we go to go.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
That person is definitely cheating.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Also, I do not believe the cheat dev or anything
they say.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I look, I saw it. There was a bunch of them.
I was like, yeah, that's that's just like really good.
The only one I was like, well, they did flick
and start trying to shoot through a rock and I
know there's a radar, and I know there's a map,
and I know you flick, but like you're flicking and
pre firing before you even see the target. That's the bit.

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I was like, I don't know either way. You know what,
you know what the great thing about battlefield is and
this is what I love seeing on my feet. No
one gives a shit about montages and battlefield people love
stupid stuff and battlefield people. When the guy goes first
time the helicopter, dude gets in and a body of
a gent falls out of the sky, blows him up

(43:43):
and he's like, yeah, good one, and then you know
that's that's a guy, you know doing a dolphin dive
into a battle. I enjoyed that one.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
To see a lot of things are the most fun part. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, I think we've got to see a lot of
skilled FBS players trying Battlefield and going on crazy montages.
But it's nothing, nothing super new, because it's kind of
what Battlefield is. There's so many people, and there's so
many people. If you get a good flank, like and
you're in the right positioning, like you can get rack
up some gills. Yeah, but I think people play for

(44:21):
the bombastic and the silliness and the vehicles and all
the other things that come with Battlefield. We can talk
about it if you want, because I've played a bunch
of Battlefield. Did anyone else jumping? It was just me?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I wanted to, But like I was saying, I guess
before we started. I actually it got like a sponsored
deal to check out an expansion to a different game.
I can talk about later because they had new content
just go live, but I had to devote on my
weekend to that. But yeah, tell us about your Battlefield experience.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
I loved it, so I pretty much exclusively played Battlefield
before Destiny as like the only game I really played.
I just play Battlefeld. I just fuck around Battlefield jumping helicopters,
jumping tanks very casually. But I haven't really played since
Battlefield three and then four because I think four just
came out before Destiny, so I would have played some

(45:12):
four as well. I think it feels back to pretty
close of just that bombastic goofiness, Like you know, we
had seven engineers healing a tank. You know, the tanks
going to battle like get bye. Everyone's got that blow
torches out as you go into like a tank battle.
It feels fun to do stuff like that. They have

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this drag revive mechanic, which I think is really good.
It's very functional, so when someone's down, you basically like
grab them by the scruff of the neck and start
dragging them. You can control where you drag them, so
you can drag them back behind cover and you're raising
them at the same time. The medic or the support
class raises them quicker. But it surprisingly works a lot.

(45:56):
You can grab them from a little bit far away too,
so like they can just be out of cover and
you can just grab them, pull them behind a like
a barricade and start resting, and it's functional, it looks cool.
It adds are like just the experience of battlefield, which
is really really nice. So I like the drag Revive.

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Vehicle gameplay is very satisfying. All the sound effects are
usually always on point, feel really good. Been playing a
lot of in the tank and driving the tank. Huge
roles for engineers to like heal you. They actually feel
like super powerful if you have a whole squad like
healing you. But everything you would probably expect from vehicle combat.

(46:37):
Unfortunately you haven't had like a huge amount of aerial stuff,
Like there's only been one map that has the helicopters,
and like mother Truckers, I swear must be on cronuses
to get access to the helicopters because I'll sit there
like slamming e and I've never got in the helicopter.
I'm like, I just want to have a shot in
the helicopter, so you can't get in, And there's obviously

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people that are incredibly good and there are other people
like me that immediately crash it. So I would love
to see some other maps. The maps in general, I
think plays out like pretty typical battlefield bere like, I
don't like this, I'm spawning, dying, spawning, dying, like there's
people everywhere killing me. And then once you start like

(47:21):
working at the flow of the map and where people
are spawning and like what angles you should covering, they
start to feel a lot better. There is one map
and mode that I think feels the worst balance wise.
There's a mode called Breakthrough where you have attackers and defenders,
so you're always coming from a certain angle and you've

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got to capture a point. Sometimes it's a single point,
sometimes it's a double point. Once you get that point,
you move to the next sector and you try to
push the enemy back, the defending enemies all the way
back to the HQ. Essentially, it's on the only like
really open map at the moment, and if you get
a team that really knows what they're doing, they can
just basically lock down every lane and it's so hard

(48:05):
to get anything going. And the only way that we've
been able to get stuff moving is is doing really
good tank plays, and maybe that's how they want it,
but like if someone gets in the tank and they
just drive it in and lose it like you know,
you're basically ninety like you're going to lose a match,
like you just like they're going to play really careful
to pull the infantry slowly move up. And I think

(48:27):
I've only ever seen like actually push to the HQ
and win like a couple times out of like I
don't know, twenty four hours of playing, so they might
there might be some more balancing around, like spawn points
and how quickly they can spawn back in.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
And because how did you feel about the TTK, I
like the mixed reactions to.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I think the time to kill is pretty good. I
think it's pretty good. It's definitely I think it's quicker
than other battlefields it and I think it's a factor
of some of the maps are pretty close quarters too.
There's lots of corridors and the maps that we've got
to play during the beta, and definitely people have been
asking for like larger maps, so it could be that

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as well. I mean, the shotgun one shots you at like,
you know, closest range, especially if you aim it, and
one shot body shots you. The snipers one shot headshot you.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I think people probably complain about the shotguns. I don't
have a huge issue with them because like they drop
the rain shops off fairly, you know, quickly. So I
don't have a huge issue without The only issue I
really have with any of the weapons is the star
p rubble glint is kind of crazy. I think it
needs to be there, but it's like, fucking what's it

(49:52):
to do that makes transformers? It's like Michael It's like
a Michael Bay movie when you like go around a corner,
like the lens is insane. Uh So, But in general,
I think the time the kills, I'm actually pretty happy
with it. It's not it's not called of duty, but
it's not as slow as maybe previous battlefields. I think

(50:14):
it feels pretty good, especially if you get headshots. I mean,
if you get headshots, I drop even quicker. Right, What
else have I got?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
In general?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I just like how you can it's a battlefle game.
You can be on the leadaball with like zero kills.
You know, you can be at the top just putting
down supports, DEFIBB and people putting out barrack and just
being a team play healing tanks like we had. We
had like a whole squad at the top of the
leadaball with zero kills chest sitting on repent tools right

(50:44):
as you get and that's like kind of what I like.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Do you feel like class identity is really strong.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
I think that's probably one of the weaker areas. The
engineer and the support class I think have really strong identities.
Engineer gets your classic like arpag's anti airs repair tools.
The support now is a mixture of like medic and
whoever used to have the support bag, So you actually
put down a support bag that gives you AMMO and

(51:15):
health and they can put up a barricade and they
got a quick revive on the drag and they've got
dfibs for an instant revive. So I think those classes
are pretty well sorted. There's a lot of differences, in
opinion with the assault and the sniper. So the sniper
gets adrenaline shot that allows you to there's a bunch

(51:37):
of I think it lets you sprint, and I think
you even get like some visibility on the map. There's
another like superability you get which I'll talk about in
a sect, which is kind of interesting. They also can
have two primaries so that you get like you can
run an assault rifle and a shotgun, and then you've
got your your adrenaline kit as well. The sniper has.

(51:59):
Oh and they also got an eight launcher so blood
walls and they can make it like a flame grenade
launcher so you like send people. Like the sniper has
a recon like a spawn kit so people can spawn
off it, and also like a motion sensor. And apparently
they're going to move the spawn kit to the Soult class.
And this is where it gets all like jumbly, because

(52:19):
they want they want the Assault class to be the
front line and to be making spawns and pushing flanks
and stuff like that. They don't the basis that we
don't want you to use spawn to be a camping sniper,
which I'm like, well is that at the point, Like
that's what I got them? You know you used to
find like used to climb and spend ten minutes climbing
a crane and then put a spawn being at.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
The top of it.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Like that kind of the point. So they they've they've
made a post and said that they're going to move
the spawn beacon to the Soul class. We want that
to be the front runner. The issue is right now
is they have two modes. One is with open weapons.
One is with those weapons. So closed weapons locks off
certain guns from certain classes, and I think that's more

(53:05):
like classical battlefield where if you want to run a
snap rifle, you've got to select Recon right, but it's
open at the moment, so you can I can put
a snap rifle on my Assault or my Engineer, depending
on the game mode that I go into. So moving
like a spawn beacon to the Assault class, I don't.
I mean, then you can literally run a sniper and

(53:25):
a shotgun because one of their perks is having two
primaries and you've got a spawn beacon. And I think
this is it's the class identity is tied in as
conversation about open weapons and closed weapons, which is really
complex and I just don't know how you balance that.
I think the classes that do well at the moment

(53:46):
have really strong identities in the gadgets and not in
the weapons, and I think that's why Recon's probably struggling
a little bit because they've They've got C four, which
I think is pretty classical Reacon unit behind any lines,
throwing sea falls on tanks and stuff like that. But
I think a part of a Raycon's identity is being
out of select a snop rofle And so when you

(54:06):
give everyone the ability to choose snoprofit, you, well, why
I'm U playing Raycon?

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Then?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, I did actually really like the Battlefield three system
where it was assault rifles were on the assault class
you had, the lmgs were on the support class who
threw down the m pax. The engineers got you know,
the blow torch or the repair tool and SMGs and
Recon got snipers. So it felt like it felt like

(54:31):
a really good way of forcing people to play different
roles because you wanted to try out these different weapons,
and in order to do that, you had to you
had to cross class boundaries in order to try those
things out. And I personally really liked that system. But
I don't know. I haven't had a chance to play
Battlefield sixty yet, so I'm not sure how it feels that.
But I can't understand your frustration. Why why that would
feel like you're you're sacrificing a big part of what

(54:53):
makes Recon unique when you give snipers away to everybody else.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
So I think I think Conn of where I'm sitting
right now, if they're going to keep the open classes
where every class can use any weapon, I think the
gadgets just have to be really strong for their identity,
and if they can nail that, then you then you're groovy.
And I think they're probably having trouble with that right now.
For what we've seen, Like gadget wise, engineers support great,

(55:17):
like their their role and their gadgets are very strong.
I think sniper and assault. I mean assault's probably okay
too because you've got you know, you've got the two
prime weapons people running shotguns, it'salt rifles, the adrenaline, So
we will see. I'm mostly kind of interested in veterans
and peers. I've been trying to read up online and

(55:37):
see what other people think, but like it feels very
split anyway. And I think overall, I think it is
harder to balance with open weapons with anyone can do anything. Yeah,
because if you think about like a big open maps,
one of the maps has a fair few tanks, Like
tanks keep spawning in, so engineers become incredibly valuable and

(55:59):
and previously I would be probably only used like SMG's right,
I'd be stuck on SMG's engineers, so like I would
have huge value for taking out anti tank. But big
open map, I like I got to play it really safe,
with like getting close to infantry and making sure I
can take out those guys, but getting a little bit
closer because I've got less range on a SMG. But

(56:19):
now I'll just run an assault rifle. I'm SMA smashing
infantry and I can smash tankside from picking. I'm loving it,
but I think that is harder to I think that
is harder to balance the classes and stuff. I played
a bunch because you could actually first weekend, you could
choose they gave you a closed weapon conquest and they

(56:41):
gave you an open weapon conquest. While it felt different
for me, I probably couldn't really tell you did I
see less shotguns? Did I see lesser like during the
closed rounds? Did I see you less? Was I killed
less by like meta weapons? I don't know if I
could really tell you, like it didn't feel crazily different.
I think they're going to have to dig deep in

(57:02):
the stats and I don't know, make a decision to
go one way or the other because or keep two
playlists if people want to kind of do more classical
I think. I don't know, though, If it's splitting the
population is a good idea. I mean, they had five
hundred thousand concurrent players on Steam, so it didn't really

(57:23):
matter for the beta, but there are a lot of
playlists already, so.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
That was one of the craziest things about MATFO three
is just that their player base is so huge that
they were just like, yeah, you can buy your own servers,
host your own servers and your own special game modes
and all that stuff, and there was still plenty of
population to make those things work really well.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, I think that's the only other So, yeah, there's
obviously a little bit of conversation around like class balancing
and what we're just talking about, and maybe seeing some
bigger maps with more vehicles on them. And then I
think the last thing is talking about like server browsers,
because I don't think they're going to have like server browsers.

(58:07):
It's going to be like you select what you just
get match made, right. You don't click on a server
and go into that. You just click I want to
play Conquest, and then it will find a match for you.
And I guess the criticism for that is, well, what
if I've got more than three friends, because you're right now,
you go into games in teams of four. So I
don't think there's a way that you can get all.

(58:30):
You know, if you've got more than three other friends,
how you could all get into the same server and
play all on the same side.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Who has more than three friends? That sounds exhausting.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Definitely a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Of gamers do.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Them. I think I just wanted to complain about something.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
My group of the four of us all best friends
for now over a decade. That's the reason we never
played Destiny together. Like, I've never been able to get
them because we we game together usually about three nights
a week for ten years straight, and we can never
play Destiny because there's four of us. So I like

(59:07):
the battlefield has always been a great game for us
to play because of the squads of four. It's been
a great system. Yeah, yeah, so I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
So overall, though, having a lot of fun feels very's
there's a lot of it, and I like, I don't
everyone's kind of holding their breath, going, how is E
going to fuck this up?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
They're gonna do it, I know they will.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Don't do it, don't bloody do it.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
The price Tagion launches one hundred and twenty dollars.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Gosh, yeah, just whiting to say the battle pauses and
all the other shit.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Yeah there, Yeah, people are people are loving it, Like
I saw people someone in my chat was like, I'm
setting my alarm for four am so i can get
up and start playing Battlefield right away. Like they are addicted,
loving it. And it's good to see, honestly, because one
Battlefield hasn't been like real good and people loved it
in a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
But also, I feel like you just don't get a
lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
First person shooters that come out, whether they're brand new
or like, you know, a returning franchise that people are
really excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, it's running.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
It's running really well, too, optimized very well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, and obviously they I feel like they were very
confident going into this beta too. As devs. They're like,
we're just gonna lay it all out there, have fun
with it, and they kind of they felt like they
were coming into it really strong and confident, and you
got to respect that too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Anyways, I didn't get a chance to play that because
I was playing the new the big expansion to the game,
the first to send it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
I'm very curious to hear how it's been for you
after not playing for a while and now it is now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
So I kind of I've stayed up to date with
like just what's happening in the game, because I how
do on launch? I did enjoy the initial grind, and
the first two seasons seemed interesting, but not like, oh wow,
I got to get in there and play some more.
But season three they were like, we're calling it season three,

(01:01:15):
but it really is like an expansion, and so comparing
it to the content in season two, I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
this is way more content, like new story beats, a
whole new region of the map with new and it's
it's sort of like you know, the Dreaming City and
Destiny when it came out, it was designed to be
an end game patrol space. Yeah, like you had to

(01:01:37):
even unlock the ability to go there. That's what the
new season three it's called the Something Planes. What was
it called? Oh shoot, I should know this because I
I just played it like twenty hours straight of it
all week. Anyways. Yeah, the new region itself pretty big,
but it's got like the monster level. There is one

(01:01:59):
hundred and ninety, which if you're not connected to the game,
that would be like that would be like a Destiny
activity where they're like, yeah, this is like raid modifiers
are on. It's like Raid tier. So even just to
get into the patrol space, I had to play a
lot of other content that I had missed out on
just to like level up to the point where I
could handle Monster level one ninety. But then once they

(01:02:20):
got in there, it was like, Okay, these are actually
some pretty good challenging activities to do. They introduced their
first like eight person almost like a raid boss, like
an eight person raid boss, which was cool. They call
him Colossi, the Colossuses that come from the other dimension
or whatever and into ours. He's called the Wall Crasher.

(01:02:41):
You fight him in like this giant you know, Roman
coliseum style arena almost and it's he's a it's like
a half hour fight. The time limit on it is
a thirty minute time limit just to take one boss down.
So it's it's girthy. But anyways, I was the most
clothed person in any activity I was doing because I

(01:03:05):
knew this about the game, but apparently they all their
like paid skins are basically like, let's just cover up
the things that we would otherwise have to blur and
nothing else. That's it. Yeah. So it's like, I'm My
wife was laughing because I was I was chuckling about.
I was like, I'm the most clothed persus here. She
goes and she looks at my screen. She's like, oh, yeah,

(01:03:26):
you're you really are I look like I'm a chick.
But I'm like all this soldier gear, big toxic gun.
I play as Fren as my main I just like
poison stuff in games. But anyways, they've got so much
new stuff, like quality of life stuff in that game
that wasn't there on launch, and I think it fixes
a lot of the reasons people disengaged with it. They're

(01:03:49):
like it's too grindy, you know. Unlocking it felt like
on launch you could spend a lot of time rolling
the RNG dice just to unlock a new character that
you wanted to play, or you could just buy them haha,
you know, and it felt like it was really heavily
in favor of you should just buy them, let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, But they introduced like a target farming system where
one of the features on launch it's always been in
the game, is that they have a full database in
the game of every piece of gear, loop mods, everything
is in game and you can just search through. So
if you're looking for something that you're like specifically, like
I need something that's going to ramp up my toxic

(01:04:32):
skill power, you just type it in and it's here's
every piece of gear in the game that has an
effect on that stat value. And then you click on
that item and it tells you what activity it's connected to,
and you can just launch it straight from the database,
so you don't even have to like open up your
map and go there. That system's always been there, which
I think is great. But now when you're like I

(01:04:53):
need this material to unlock the new character, you select
it as your targeted reward, and what it will do
is like every time you complete the activity, it'll start
filling up a meter where if you're just unlucky, eventually
that meter is just increasing your chances of getting it
until it's a guaranteed drop, So there's like a hard
cutoff where at this point we're just giving it to

(01:05:13):
you because you've been so unlucky, And so that's really
helped with being able to unlock these characters instead of
throwing money at the screen and now they're like making
up for it. They're like, if we'll have skins that
you're gonna want to throw money at the screen anyways,
because it's a it's a string bikini and thong, and
we know you're gonna buy it. So they're like, well,

(01:05:35):
just let you unlock the character, you know, the natural way,
and then you'll pay us for these other things. But
there's a ton of other quality of life stuff too,
besides the target farming system, which I think is that's
a big deal for a lot of folks. But they
also have like companions in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
They like these dogs. It it's like a German shepherd.
You can lock of the different versions of the dogs.
And then at first I thought it was like just
a cosmetic thing, but the more I played, I was like,
everyone's running these things and they look like they're doing something.
So I looked into it, and it turns out the
dog like you can set it up to auto dismantle
all kinds of gear for you. So this inventory management

(01:06:11):
in that game is insane. Like you complete one activity
and you get sixty drops and I'm not exactly you
literally get sixty drops into single and then after the
end of the activity. You have to go in there
and do something or else your inventory is gonna fill up. Right,
You're like, I got to take care of these sixty items.
You go through them all line by line to see
which ones you want to keep, which ones you don't
want to keep, which ones you want to sell, which
ones you want to dismantle. And but you can basically

(01:06:33):
just set up your dog companion to handle all the
gear that you don't want and it'll just sift through it.
It'll auto dismantle it, collect it in all that business
and free up your inventory space for the things that
you actually are looking for, which is a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
S I like games to do that, but you got
to give them the tools to like sold through that
stuff because then it's like I'm not rating for everything,
you know, like pop of eggsl you know, you can
install literally loot fields like yeps and whatever. I then
don't show me anything else. I don't need it, and

(01:07:08):
they've got.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
And like, yeah, it's nice when it's an animal, it
is nice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yet and like just to saying and chat. They do
have events going constantly, And since I hadn't played in
a long time, my first thing I did is I
checked my mailbox and they're like, here's a ton of
gear for free that has just been sitting here. We've
sent you over and over and over again. It's just
been stock buying. So when I logged in and I

(01:07:34):
just hit collect all rewards, I had so much enhancement
materials that I would have had to grind to get.
I had millions of gold, millions of kuyper, and I
was able to basically I never had to go resource farming.
I could just go target farming the gear I needed,
and then I had everything I needed to just enhance
those things that the game just sent me for free.

(01:07:57):
So it cut out a lot of the busy works
so I could get into the content faster. Even though
it is an endgame space, I was able to get
there within a couple of days of you know, refining
my build. But anyways, all in all, I had a
good time. But the game it is, it's pretty fun.
It's a it's a gear grinding game, so if that's
your vibe, And there's so many builds, there's so many

(01:08:19):
characters you can play. I don't know the exact number,
but there's dozens. Now, there's well over twenty playable characters.
All of them have their own unique approach to combat,
and the new character, Nell is one that's been in
the game since launch. I won't story the sports spoil
the story beats, but we do know because they put

(01:08:39):
it on their marketing. Yeah, i't. I won't spoil how
it happens, but it was part of their promotional content.
She ends up being a descendant, she gets descendant powers,
so she's the newest character and her whole kit is
really cool. It's all about, like there's a lot of
characters in the game that are about spreading enough status
effects of some kind throughout the entire map, but Nell

(01:09:00):
is really about I'm going to be the queen of
a small region of the map that I declare is MySpace,
and she locks it down with like gravity magic that
pulls everything in causes localized detonations, so she's really good
at like specific pockets, like if there's a because the
way that they do combat in First Assentate is a
lot of times you have a giant arena with bad

(01:09:21):
guys everywhere, but there are yellow bars and specific locations.
So if you're the guy that's just spreading a deebo
throughout the whole crowd. You're not providing a lot of
value at that specific part of the battlefield that is
hefty your targets, and Nell can go in there and say, okay,
well this pocket of yellow bars their mind, you know,
and really lock it down, pull them onto a localized location.

(01:09:41):
And then there's a scan that every character has in
the game. But what she does is when she activates
her scan, it like you can play with the percentages
based on your bill, but you can like quadruple your
gun damage on things that you scan, so she can
make like target priorities, and she can also buff her
allies abilities to do damage to those things too. So anyways,
it makes her a really powerful descendant with her own

(01:10:03):
like niche ability, because like the character I run is
really about crowd control. And then we get to the
end of the activity and it's the it's the bosses,
and I'm like, I already did my part. The rest
is on you, and at that point it's really nice
to have a Knell on the team that can deep
off the bosses and help us to big dams. All
is to say I had a good time with it.
I thought it was pretty good content and it's free

(01:10:23):
to play, and they even have a free boost. So
if you're like I haven't played in forever and I
don't have a character that's even close to being endgame,
they have a boost that will give you a descendant
for free that you would otherwise have to unlock and
give you some endgame gear so that you can at
least compete in most endgame activities and you'll be on

(01:10:45):
fast tracked towards making it into the new content.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
I'm glad they're sticking with it. Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Was going to live.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Yeah, I'm glad that they they wanted to make a
live service game and they wanted to actually like continue
to update it and keep it going because so many
are like, just release it up.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Did it make us seven billion dollars?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
So we're ye, exactly because it was pretty rough, like
the ELI access of whatever. We played the preview, it
was pretty rough. It was rough to the point of
like it put me off actually ever playing it, which
is maybe a shame because you know, I don't have
you like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
You might enjoy it now. Yeah, maybe, but yeah, it's
all free content, which I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
True, there's no harm in giving it a shot. The
only thing you'll lose.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Is time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
The most valuable race? Yeah, I I've got more games
I played.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
I wanted to just touch on the Wilds update because
I think it's the most substantial one in terms of
gameplay and to try and work towards and get So
they put out an update recently that adds a new
difficulty of monsters.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
So now we're on nine stars.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
Which is a lot I think since they've been doing
since they've been doing eight stars, for sure, I've been like,
no one's ever gonna say anything about difficulty again, like
some of these monsters are. There's some I'm not gonna
fight like Gormagala. I'm not fighting nine star Gormagala. I'm
not fighting nice star Mizu.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
No, thank you. I will not.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
Because like it's it's just absolutely crazy. So they added
this new difficulty level and they will appear randomly on
your map and they drop a new material that can
turn into talisman. So those are the things in your
build that you know you can have like one perk
on it, but now you're getting random talismans and they

(01:12:58):
can have like three skills on it, and they can
have decoration slots on them, so you're just farming these
very tough monsters that have more health. They don't get
they don't get wounds as often, and they don't get
knocked down when you pop wounds unless it's like a
blue wound, which is a tempered wound. They have more health,

(01:13:20):
they do more damage, they're more aggressive. So you're farming
these monsters and you're getting materials that will then give
you random talismans, and you're looking for something that is
gonna you know, it's like a mid max thing for
your build, Like if you're still using regular talismans, you're
not going to be like crazy underpowered compared to those
who have these specific ones. But it's a really nice

(01:13:41):
thing to go after because wild combat is a ton
of fun. The monsas are really well made, Monzas are
all really fun to fight. All the new ones they're
bringing out are also really well done and really fun.
You just need to give us a slight reason to
play and we will be there playing a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
And this is definitely doing that. So yeah, you can.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
You can farm them, you can get talismans. You can
also go to the melder and feed all of the
talismans you don't like to them to get more talismans.
So yeah, it's been it's been a ton of fun.
It's been a blast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Good has people been returning to jump back into wildst
of months.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
I haven't looked at player numbers, so I actually have
no idea what it's looking like. But uh yeah, I
think it's it's all over the place really, because people
will return for like a title update because they'll be
new monsters, or some people will be like, I'm gonna
wait for two or.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Three title updates then I'll come back.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Some people will be like I'm gonna wait until there's
an update where I feel like, Okay, this is a
good amount of stuff for me to do. So I
think people are returning at all different points. But I
think if you haven't played since, like especially the end
of the campaign, or you've just been waiting in general,
I think now is a really good time because we've
had two major title updates that have brought four new monsters.

(01:15:06):
We've got arc tempered monsters, which brings like more armor
for you to go after.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
We've got this.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
Talisman thing that you can do now as well, and
there's gonna be a new title update with more new
monsters in like a month, so.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Yeah, it's uh, it's been a good time. It's been
a very good time.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
And the monsters that they are bringing are just so
well done. They're really really good. Like my favorite monster
it's a fight in the game now is Sereggios and
he came with the last title update. Okay, Yellow Monkey
said a bigger return for this update than title update too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
On Steam.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Oh guys, slowly being back out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
This happens with everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Well, World was World was a little different, but because
it was the first time that kind of caught on
on the in the West.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
But this is this is does a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
With Monstater comes out, people are like, there, where's the game?
And then they get due title updates, and then the
expansion comes out and they're like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
This is the best game ever.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
And I remember because I was playing Rise and people
were saying how much they hate Rise and Rise sucks
and Rise.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
And now the story about Rise is like totally different.
So it literally.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
I played another Rogue lights which are just very numerous. Yes,
this one's pretty good. It's called dead Zone Rogue. It's
got a fair few positive reviews on Steam. Who's going

(01:16:46):
to have a quick quick look it is, I guess
people were saying boom because it's a boomer shooter. I
definitely going from like Battlefield to this. I'm like, oh,
there's no same assist in this, bad Boy. I've actually
gonna lie like you know, hit me shots. But yeah,
I had a really good time. Only did the first
kind of area. I think it had good progression. You

(01:17:10):
can also play co op, which I think is probably
one of the more distinctive features about it, because a
lot of these games are usually like solo experiences, but
you can have multiple friends like go through and and
take these bosses. On positive reviews and it came out
three days ago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
What's the aesthetico game like medieval fantasy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Shooter future shot stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I doing okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Yeah yeah. And then the builds. I think that builds
are probably pretty standard for a roguelight, Like you can
build into like Elemental or create or like weak spot stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
You have gear dropped from enemies, and then you have
these little like buystations as well, so if you don't
get what you want, you can like kind of upgrade
your gear that you've already got, and then or you
can re roll certain ye as you go through. You've
got permanent unlock. I think all pretty like standard affair,
but it's a good It feels good to shoot. It
feels good when you get like a build going. I
had some insane luck with a run and just had

(01:18:11):
all these like lightning things procking off each other, which
is how I got through like the first zone and
beat the first boss, just like lightning bolts procking and
effects and everything falling over. So it feels pretty cool, keenness.
They added a recently another difficulty, think like a zone three,
so I'm keen to see what that looks like as well.

(01:18:33):
But I would recommend. I think it's at a good
price point. I think if you like rogue lights, it's
worth your time. It's twenty eight dollars Australian at the moment,
so it's probably twenty bucks US something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Yeah, that's nothing, that's really nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Yeah. I played probably four four or six hours something
like that and at a good time, had a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Good always good to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Yeah, yeah, I recently discovered the world of Special Forces YouTube.
Have you guys seen any of this? These are the caddiest,
They're the caddiest motherfuckers you've ever seen. The entire life.
All they talk about is who won what metal and

(01:19:22):
who didn't deserve it and who left? Like who's lying
about what books they wrote and what movies they come
out is it's like gossip for.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Goodlo everyone loves gossip, but everyone loves a little bit
of goss no matter who you are. It's like a
human trait can't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
What's the hot goss? Since special forces.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Like I don't feel like I should repeat this kind
of stuff because I'm not like familiar enough with the names.
These people go hard on. Oh, this person's lying ran
away from a fight where they you know, they wrote
a book and had a movie and actually left like
people like.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
Pirate software, but where it matters.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Yeah, like left people dead in the field or dying
in the field, Like they said they were dead when
they left and got evacuated, but they didn't die until
like ten days later. But nobody was out there looking
for him because this guy said they were dead, like
all sorts of crazy shit. Yeah wow, and damn they
go hard after each other and there's like all these

(01:20:32):
there's uh, there's like there's a whole YouTube like kind
of subculture about like just and then they fight between
like the Navy seals don't like the Green Berets and
don't like the Force guys. And you know, because who's tougher,
who's got the most tattoos? Good stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Yeah, whatever, conspiracy right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
It has discovered this week.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
It's always going to be a wild journey.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
It's good YouTube, you know. YouTube doesn't feel it's brings
the trauma, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
On a similar notes, I for the very first time
heard an ad for YouTube on radio. I'm like, what's what?
Why is YouTube advertising? And then I heard the Australian
government was we we introduced like these quite strict like

(01:21:33):
social media social media laws, you know, and I think
that there's definitely good for that because like social media
is definitely fucking up lots of kids anyway. But YouTube
was then added to the list and I was like,
oh my god, so you can't have a YouTube account.
So I don't even know what that's going to do,
but you can't have a YouTube account if you're under

(01:21:55):
sixteen in Australia. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
The advertising, yeah, for for anything.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
I saw that YouTube is now doing like AI learning
to see if it can tell if you what age
you are, so you know, because obviously someone can be like,
I am seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Target before you do based on your probably.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Yeah, So they're based on like I guess, you know,
it could be based on a bunch of things, how
you talk, what you're interacting with, what you search for
that we like.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
This person's clearly twelve. Lock them up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
They're playing the first to send it and Hi.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
I know in England there, Yeah, you're in for a
bunch of things. You have to upload ID for to
use certain things. There's a bunch of countries that are
doing that now, uploading ID to these different.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
That's so that's so backwardly stupid. So you have to
upload it? Was your ID your real idea?

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
I don't Yeah, I don't want to upload my IDs
to some random company.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
There was a conversation about this to do with video
games because I think there was a survey that said
something like, if you had to upload your ID to
play a game, but it would reduce cheatahs or something
like that, would you do it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
I don't know, so I don't have to punch on you.
I don't know what the results were, but I think
I think it was yes, Yeah, I think it was yes. Yeah,
I don't. Uh yeah, I don't trust someone with me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I d no.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
I mean, look at many times Sony gets freaking hacked.
I mean I guess, I guess I've already got my
credit cards. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
Yeah, true.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I remember it was a few years ago now, my
wife had her identity stolen and the dude didn't mad
tons of purchases and whatnot. And I can tell you
that it is a pain in the key sort of
undo all the day people can do. It is a
massive pain.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
I had three credit cards get nailed, all at the
same time. So they just completely ran up the bill
on all three credit cards, all at the same time.
And they did it within as far as I can tell,
about six hours.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Well, and we found out that our identity was stolen
because the person was collecting unemployment checks for her identity.
And then oh my god, wow. And then the office
contacted us and was like, we've just become aware that
you are full time employed and so you owe us.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
A lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Oh, and we were like, what are you talking about?
Oh my god, that's how we found out. Yeah. So
but the crazy thing was like they eventually found out
that found the guy that did it and we were
told when we like, because you have to file a
police report when this happens, right, And we were told
at the police station, they're like, they won't find this guy,
by the way, just see you though, Like, don't ever

(01:24:52):
expect this, Like you're not on the hook for anything anymore.
Now that we've verified that, you know, we've identified.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
The police report is for right, is like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
That's right, just just to exonerate you from those charges
and stuff. But anyways, they got the guy, which was wild.
But the cool thing was like the day that she
got a letter that was like you're invited to the
trial because you're one of the victims. And she was
like I really want to go, but it was like
it wouldn't it logistically could We couldn't make it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
Yeah, I want to know who this is, Like you
want to be there?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
I yeah, I don't. I think it was I don't
remember where it was going to take place, but I
think it was more of a timing issue than it
was a location issue. But anyways, they got the guy
and he's doing time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
But good wow wow, But.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
It was a crazy process. It's a it's a nightmare.
So all is to say, yes, I am very much
not in favor of putting my my like sensitive information
in the hands of other people and trusting that they're
going to safeguard it and be responsible with it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
No, No, it's it's I think it's more and more
important for us to protect our data. You know, use
the safest forms of buying things, because now, I mean
there's no getting around buying things online. I remember in
like the early two thousands, like you know, you'd be

(01:26:12):
like a little wary, like should I put my credit
card on this? Now I see people using their debit
card to buy stuff online. I'm like, you are insane.
That is that is dumb. That is your money, that
is your checking account. It's not like a credit card
where they empty you out and you're like, oh, well,
I'm not paying this. No, you now can't buy food

(01:26:34):
or you can't pay your rent because you have a
debit card. Don't use your debit card online. Don't use
debit card is not a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
I don't have a credit gun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
You don't have a credit card, no, never have one.
So do you use a debit card online?

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Yeah, that's probably not a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Well, because I don't really buy anything lot and if
I buy something, it's always from you know, from I
go to, like the PC shop. I always use the
problem with.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Using a debit card online is if it gets compromised,
if somebody gets a hold of that information, they take
your money, right as opposed to a credit card where
they charged the credit card company. You dispute it, but
they've never gotten access. They don't they haven't taken your money, right,
I mean, they've taken your time. Deal.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
I mean, if you did get done with the fraud,
you've still gone for the same stuff of I mean,
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
You may still have to deal with the fraud part
of it. But for instance, my wife's debit card got
got compromised, actually right when we met it was happening,
and they cleaned out her bank accounts like she just
had no money and she had she had wait, I
think months to get it back from the bank because
they investigation. Whereas that credit card, you still have to

(01:27:55):
go through that investigation. But your your bank accounts aren't empty.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Don't use a debit card. They're bad. Don't use them.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
When I first moved here, like, obviously I didn't have
any credit at all, so I had to get like
a baby's first credit card. You it would start getting
credit so I could literally buy anything, because like you know,
can't get an apartment, can't get a car, can't get
a phone if you're doing unless you're just dropping like

(01:28:29):
piles of cash down.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
But yeah, usually not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Yeahfer like you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Can use debit cards for funds and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Yeah, you can use them. They work like credit cards,
with a big difference being that they access your bank
account as opposed to a credit account, so if it
gets compromised, they're stealing money out of your account, especially
if they're like if you haven't linked to your savings account,
Like it's all in the same system. Very fire, very dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
I you what you're saying. I just I don't know
I'm doing. I buy a lot of stuff online.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Yeah, I mean, I hear you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
I never had a different conversation about credit cards and
young people getting hooked on credit cards and spending out sithe.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, credit cards are. It's like, I mean, you really
which the way you want to use a credit card
is to pay it off month to month, right once
you start doing interest. You're just you're paying for nothing.
You know, you're you're just it's it's a it's a minefield,

(01:29:39):
and it's hard to walk, and it can so easily
get away with you, especially in today's environment where things
cost so much, like on a day to day basis,
and so many people are living paid to paycheck to paycheck.
The number in America is insane. It's like sixty or
seventy percent of people are living in paycheck. So, like
anything goes wrong and you are suddenly saddled with debt,

(01:30:03):
like you know, like if you're a.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Homeowner, destiny, I'll just go back to destiny.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Loll.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Yeah. You know, like if you're a homeowner and like
you know, something goes wrong, like you need a new
roof or you know, you need to water boil, and
all of a sudden you need like I need tank.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Window got cracked, like you know, what do you do
about it? Like it was like a rock flu it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Was windy wind window going cracked And that's not it's
not cheap to prepare like a double triple pained window.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Right, And then you know, like if you're in a
situation where you're living paycheck to paycheck, you know, you
got kids to feed. You know, the bills are you know,
you gotta you gotta pay an electric bill, you gotta
pay a water bill, you gotta pay the more you've
got to pay the car payment, otherwise you can't get
to work. And then you need the ten thousand dollars
for a new roof or a new water heater or

(01:30:53):
something like. You have to go to a credit card
or you have to take some kind of loan and
then you're saddled with that debt and you're saddled with
that interest, and it's just and then you have to
somehow pay that off. It's just a brutal, brutal system.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Yeah, it's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Yeah, a lot of people can't get out of it
without going into bankruptcy, which you know him then all
of a sudden, you're starting from scratch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Yep, let's talk to a financial We have a financial
advisor because we we definitely want to be able to
retire and we want to plan and be optimize our
cash follow this. But our advisor, last time I met
with him, he was like, I've got a client who
is seventy seven thousand dollars of credit card debt and
He's like, it's all of his money just to just

(01:31:38):
to he's not even paying he's not even paying the
card off. He's just he's just delaying it with all
the money that he's got at this point, Jesus, He's like,
I'm trying to help fix this guy's problem. Yeah, that's
it's wild. Yeah, I certainly don't want to fall into
that trip.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
No, that's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Yeah, I mean I hear, are you go anywhere with
price conspiracy YouTube?

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
And then we've we've fallen into a blocked I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Am with you, mild. It was like, I don't trust
credit cards, but it's good to have one at least
for an emergency.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
You know, I think having one promergency. I can, I can,
I can get me there, I you know. I mean
we're talking about like how you're raised and stuff like that.
Like I was always only ever spending in my limit,
and I've just somehow got through with with never needing
to get extra loans. I've always had ship cars. I've
only ever bought cars out right with the money I've

(01:32:36):
had and saved up.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
With and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
New car man. Yeah, and you know, if you get
injured here, we we've got healthcare and we've got hospitals,
public hospital systems, so there's no issue.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Like just bought a brand new car with cash. It
was the first time I ever did it, and it
was so nice to have that negotiating power.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of weird when you go
to buy a house because they look, they look, I
don't think we actually have like a credit I guess
we have a credit school. I don't know. They're like,
what's your credit I don't know. I've never had, never
needed one. It's kind of funny because it it should
be I've needed a credit card.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
No, it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
It's like you if you pay off a car or
you pay off your more, actually.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Say that you've had your and you've paid it back,
rather than like I've.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
Never It's yeah, it's just a way for them to
it's a way for them.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
It's so it's stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
It's just a way for them to see like, oh,
this person has money to consistently pay a thing, so
we can trust like that they're going to pay their
rent over this person who has no financial history.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Many advisor told me that you should have a credit
card that you're paying just the interest off a small
amount just to show that because that will build your credit.
But you know, I'm kind of with you. It's like,
what do I need credit for?

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
You kind of I feel like you need to go
on a conspiracy credit card, like because.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
You don't have to. It's like right out there the
system brought you don't have to. The conspiracy is interest,
that's the conspiracy.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
The conspiracy is I like, when we were looking into
buying our house. I don't know about you guys don't
have like hundreds of thousands of dollars just sitting around
to throw cash at a house. But I wasn't. I
wasn't involved in any of that financial stuff because I
made it worse. Even though I'm like making money every

(01:34:37):
year I can show that I have an income, I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
Made it worse.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
So but whereas I now, it's been like ten years
of building credit, So yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
It would be different.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
But it was a YouTube to the fucking mortgage brog.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Was a nightmare, dud.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
It was harder ten years ago than it is now.
I mean, I remember going to get my taxes done
in the I was like, I don't know what to
do with your taxes, Like I guess you're an entertainer,
but you get.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Are you a male stripper on the internet? Yeah, so
you do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
It was just confused.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
My my income was even considered worse because it was
something like being an international income because I was getting
paid actually from America because I'm getting paid from Amazon
and get paid from Google. Uh and and then sponsors
were also American too, so like it was under this
high risk like income STRAM it was international income or something.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Like oh, faking taxes every year are just like I
don't know, I hope so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
My so yeah, I am so paranoid about just innately
paranoid about the I r S. So my guy that
I go through to file taxes as an auditor for
the I r S and he now handles people's taxes.
Oh man, That's the reason I trust him is because
I'm like, you will not let me get audited, right,
He's like, no, I did it for fifty years. I

(01:36:11):
know what that is. I know what that process is,
like who they target and what flags people send up
without knowing it. And I will not send up those
flags like thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
And accountant who called the I R S and like
on the phone, they're like, hey, this is a little wonky.
What do you think? They're like, no, no, no, no, talk
to that. You've been that phone call? I guess I'm
not sure. Is that like calling the cops like, hey,
is this legal? No nobody, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Where are you at right now?

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
The uh there's special forces videos. They all say the
most feared special force in America is the I R S.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Don't get you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Anyhow?

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Get a credit card?

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Children? I don't know, man, Like using a debit card
online is I think a bad move And I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
Even want to do it. Forgetting gas because like the
gas is very known for having fake things where you
put your card on it, you car card scanners.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Yeah, so even.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
Stuff like like places where it's really common to have
that that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
So we actually have we actually have so Walmart partners
with a ton of different gas stations, so we basically
get ten cents off gas at there's like three different
branches of gas stations and those are the only ones
that go to because we pay on the appro We
pay Walmart on the app on the phone, and then

(01:37:50):
it communicates to the pump these people paid and I'll
just let you pump. So we never have to scan
anything that is nice, that is cool, hate pa.

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
Tell the RT the only time you want to get
a credit card is when you can pay a credit
card off.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
You don't want to get a credit.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Card when you have no money and are going to
get yourself in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Yeah, I mean, I just warn against using a debit card, like,
I just think it's it's really dangerous. Especially it can
really get you in big trouble, especially if most of
your money is in your checking account and not in
your savings account. It can really cause an issue if
that gets compromised, because you know the moneies, you now
have to fight to get your money back, as opposed
to credit card fighting to get their money back.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Sorry, I'll stop harping on this.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
He's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
If you were like still, if you didn't have a house,
it might be a little something you'd want to start
building up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Maybe you gotta wake up tomorrow morning, my land and
Briar is going to be in your die room glasses on,
looking at like your financial documents. I've been waiting for
you to get in your mind. We got to go
over some of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
He would have.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
Found his debit card and rinsed it dry.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Yes, sir, the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
I have the worst. The worst. I don't. I can't
even pay bills on time. I have to have them
all like auto, like do the bills because I cannot
remember to do it on time. Like I just can't.
It's not in my nature. I have to have him
auto auto.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
We we like moved house, and our bills for like
registration of the cars went to the old house and
Danny and I were drive around for twelve months with
no registration and I can't remember how it worked, but yeah,
we had to go through like the cars had to
go over the call them the pits. I don't know
what it's in the US where you have to have
him like checked out by an engineer or a mechanic, Yeah,

(01:39:55):
to confirm it the road worthy and you're gonna go
down to the department transport and like renew everything and
have all your laws. Is drama.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
Yeah, we've had to do that too. We actually had
we pay our insurance every six months, and we just
didn't know that it had lapsed. And one day my
wife just happened to like mentioned, hey, when's the last
time you paid the insurance like six months ago, so
we know they have an app on your phone now
and I look on the app lapsed, I'm like, oh great,

(01:40:26):
we've been driving around for who knows how long with
no fucking car insurance. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Well, it's fun when it happens in your favor. The
other way where I when we first got married, we
were like, let's just take out some basic life insurance policies,
and I totally forgot about them, just completely forgot about them.
We were young, just trying to take all the boxes,
you know. We got updated policies to a different provider

(01:40:52):
later down the road, and it wasn't until I think
it was like last year that I was going over
some financial stuff and I was like, what why do
I have two life insurance policies that I'm paying for.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
But then what happened was I was like, crap, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
I got to cancer.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
I totally forgot we did that one, you know, fifteen
years ago when we first got married. I forgot about it.
And then I found out that I was smart when
I made the policy originally because they had cash value.
So when I canceled it, I got a nice fat check.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
That's nice.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
I am very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
It's just like I mean, yeah, I paid for it technically,
but it's just it's like having a secret savings account
that I didn't know about. It was my money, but
it was still like, Hey, that feels really good.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
It's nice to sthy else save his way for you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
I guess, yeah, yeah, that kind of happened with me.
I moved house, and I rang the insurance and like
changed the house insurance and then I eventually checked like
a year lighter and it was still in the wrong house.
That's ensured the old house.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
I swear I told you, all right, we'll get back
to you. They went back and checked the record and
that I did tell them that I was moving refunded, Yeah,
like a year's worth of insurance on the old house,
which I wasn't living at.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Yeah, that's a good feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
I had the same thing. Didn't have to tell me
that I sold a house and I had prepaid the
insurance for a year, and I just I just completely
forgot that I had done it. And then I like,
I think my mother mentioned it to me. She's like, hey,
do you ever get a check for the insurance for
the house. I'm like, so, I got a huge check
in I called them up because of course they're not

(01:42:35):
gonna like call you and like, hey, it's quite.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Weird that you know that we owe you a lot
of money.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Yeah, never see that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
No, they're waiting for you to notice.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Yeah. Well in Connecticut there's like this. It's just like
unclaimed cash thing that you got to check every once
in a while because I've got like eight hundred dollars
checks that have just been like I didn't know I
was supposed to get. They just went and like clean
fun in your name in Connecticut. Actually some uh was

(01:43:06):
it stream Labs had It's like a huge check in
there for me one time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Oh I've been taking money off you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Should we wrap the S one up? Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Any more financed questions? Anyways?

Speaker 5 (01:43:24):
Got financial I know literally nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Yeahs Wat's and somebody in chat we're saying the prepaid
credit cards those are a good idea.

Speaker 5 (01:43:38):
Yeah, if you if you want to make sure you
don't live beyond your means, but you want to build credit,
it's a good way to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Yeah. I guess all right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
I don't know what's happening next week. Oh, Games Calm
is next week?

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Is it really? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Opening Night Live is happening next week. I think it's Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Tuesday, awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
I think it's Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Yeah, so we'll have lots to talk about of things
that were announced that games Com and people uh getting
hands on with a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yes, And on that note, ARC graders from and Bark
actually put out a post saying just an expectations when
not at games come uh and do not expect an
announcement about another beta because they kind of got everyone previously.
So like just learning from our mistakes, you you might
getting ARC radors again until relays and when not at

(01:44:33):
games calm suckings.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
They release date right, yeah October, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
When mylon's babies here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Oh that's right. Yeah, you time that on purpose. Great job.

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
You could call him Arc or Raider, good good names.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
I will say when they like new born horns are
kind of good for late night gaming. I I ended.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
Up doing light night streams because I had to be
up anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Yeah, I had a lot of game sessions with a
sleeping baby, like you know, week's old baby on me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
It's gonna hit different, an extraction shoot with the baby mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
That kid's gonna grow up hard. All right, Thank you
all for joining us. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
By everyone,

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