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Can you hear me chewing, by the way?
Because I needed a snack. Sometimes, but it's not a big
deal. I'm about to E as well.
All right, We're recording 321. So Oakley, tell me again, what
what are your thoughts on the Cincy pick?
We're a pick 17. The Lions are coming down to the
wire some We already I just gavethe rundown on BPA for the

(00:24):
Lions. Pistons are down by a point with
a half a second left. Not looking good, but what do
you think the Bengals are going to do here?
What are your thoughts about? I could care less about
Cincinnati. No, I actually like.
I actually like not. I actually love.
Not like Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T Higgins, some of their

(00:47):
defenders, especially Trey Hendrickson.
Love him a lot. Would like it more in Detroit.
But before I get to my Cincinnati, I need to know from
the people who does the better. How about those?
Me or the choppy version you see?
Got it In your chops or no? You know you're going to put me

(01:09):
on the spot. I just, I just had a pretzel.
My throat's killing me already. We got to all right here.
You you talk about them, Detroit.
That wasn't bad. You kind of leaned into the mic
trying to cheat. The other one that I love that
we compete on now weekly is thatthat the one where we go we're
about to serve up some of that today Honolulu blue flavor.

(01:35):
I like that you're doing the full version used to cheat just
kind of like, oh, you like the Detroit coup.
You gotta give the hot. Actually you were the you were
the originator of saying Honolulu all the time, but you
didn't say blue. So you were cutting the line.
But I think I got the delicious a little bit better too than
you. You do some of your gimmicks a
little bit better. But when I do the delicious or

(01:55):
the Jameer Gibbs or the Lions, Ithink I got you on a few of
those. I'm just saying, just saying.
The word, the word if you're mistaken, my friend, the word
that I always leave out is flavored.
It's Honolulu Blue Kool-aid is what I usually say, but it's you
say it is Honolulu blue flavoredKool-aid.
That's good. That's the tongue twister.
You're right. Now you got me again.
That's the that's the official. We got to get them all in to

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make it count. But yeah, we we've actually
turned dumb crap like that into funny kool-aid gimmicks for the
show, so it's been fun. I.
Still remember when you used to give me this whole what's this
like choppy? Likey crap?
You're like choppy. What?
Choppy. Hockey Choppy.
I remember before, now it's likeyou.
Now you give me the business when I don't say it.
You didn't say it enough. Choppy.

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Well, I think the origin of thatis that I, I said, what are you
just going to put choppy on everything?
But that's now what's funny about it's just hashtag chop
something choppy, something whatchoppy said.
And, and don't ever discount me because I heard that random
voicemail you left and knew that#choppy likey was the thing from

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day one. So whatever royalties you're
getting on shirts and merch, youneed to give to me because you
said choppy likey. I made it famous.
Let's get that right. Please.
Yeah, the Kool-aid cast made it famous, so.
Who? Who are the Bengals selecting?
I don't care. I had Jade Baron here like 2
weeks ago and he's still on the board, so prove me right would

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you? Shamar Stewart.
Good. I didn't want him really, but I
would have taken him if I had to.
That works. For me, that was not not high on

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Mr. Stewart. So I like it.
I like it. Oh Creek, we're here we go.
Here we go. I'm trying to keep up with your
your scratch offs here too. He was down the list, but he was
on there just based on need because Brad Holmes, I do care
about need as well as value as well as athletes as well as best

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player available. There you go.
Look at that amazing highlight of Shamar Stewart just chasing
the guy down and then barely touching him but getting
credited for a tackle for a loss.
Choppy, here's a little another kool-aid gimmick for you.
I saw an interview recently withMr. Stewart, not very impressed.

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Didn't love what I heard. So that's a that's a check plus
for us that we didn't have to take that bone.
But I'm sure his potential will be fully executed in the NFL,
right? Well, you know, I mean, you
probably like that Cheney's got,you probably like that nice
green flashy suit. So you probably got probably All

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Pro next year, you know. Swagged out.
Wear the sunglasses inside, all right?
See, as an evaluator though, if I have to go swag versus
interviews, I go with interviewsover swag.
So there you go. There's a there's a coaching
point, there's a a expert scouting tip for you.

(05:15):
Say what you say at podium greater than what you wear.
Very crucial to the process. Well.
You know, I guess Oakley would never be impressed by #choppy,
because Choppy does not care what he wears and he does not
care what he says in front of the people, obviously.

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Choppy the The Pistons have a chance to win this game.
I don't know if they get the ball at half court, but if they
do, could win this ball game outof nowhere.
If they got to go full court, we're pretty much screwed.
Half a second down to oh wait, the Knicks have the ball.
What? Yeah, it's the Knicks ball.
What did they miss or something?Because we rebounded it.

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I don't know what. Happened.
They shot a throw. And then the ball never got
touched. They put time on the clock and
they gave it to the Knicks. I have no.
That's the thing, he missed the free throw.
Our guy grabbed it, no time wentoff the clock and they they have
the ball. I.
Don't get it. Can I tell you something else?
And This is why I don't like theNBA.

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I don't think there's really rules in the NBA because
depending on who has the ball, that's a foul or it's not a foul
depending on, you know, in hockey, when a Duke gets
tripped, it's a penalty. It doesn't matter if it's
Crosby, doesn't matter if it's Joe Blow.
A trip is a penalty in the NBA, You know, oh, that's you can
punch LeBron in the face and that's a penalty.

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Of course, you know, you can blow the dude a kiss and it's a
penalty, like, or you know, it'sa foul.
It's insane. It's absolutely insane.
The inconsistency with the NBA traveling.
What's traveling? I don't know.
That guy just took eight steps before he slammed the ball down.
And it's not a travel. But one guy picks up his pivot
foot, re pivots with the other foot, then pivots again with the

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other foot. Not a travel.
Nope, not a double dribble. Does it double dribble even
exist anymore in the NBA? Like this is stupid.
The rules are totally arbitrary based on what's going on.
I heard you, but all I really heard was that we need more
choppy basketball taste because you talked about penalties,
slamming ball into the hoop, double dribbles, whatever else

(07:26):
your conspiracy theory take is, which I kind of agree because I
was going. To say tell me I'm wrong, tell
me I'm wrong about the bull. Boo Boo.
There you go. Keep it kid friendly.
The Boola boola fake rules of the NBA depending on who's got
the ball. Tell me when I'm telling lies.
I, I don't, I, they, they obviously root for the big

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teams, the big markets. But I, I literally was watching
the game the other day and, and the Pistons dunked a ball.
It went off someone's head went out and we got fouled.
And next thing I know, the Knicks had the ball and, and we
didn't have the points or the ball or I don't know what
happened. It was like no explanation, just
gave it to the New York because they love them LA, whoever else,

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who cares? All I know is the Pistons are
probably going to win in six or seven and I'm going to be happy
so. Seattle's on the clock and I am
thinking that they are going to take.
I have AI have a hold on. I got to say this Who?
Who are you saying I? Was going to say wide receiver.
Nick Aminu, Warrior, the safety.Oh, shoot, no, come on, they

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don't need a guard they got. Damn it.
I'm going to break the swear jarnow.
Damn it, damn it, damn it. Come on.
Deans. Olu Cross, they don't need help
on the online. Come on.
That's a Seattle type pick man. They're going back to trenches
and value players and DBS and Legion of Boom Part 6 or

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whatever they're on now, so it'sa good pick.
It's a good pick. I hate them for it.
Damn it. Sorry, folks.
You can cut that one. You can edit that one out there,
Oakley. I'm going to.
Break the spare jar for you oncewe went over the 30 minute mark,
and I mean the three hour, I mean the three, no.

(09:27):
More editing. Yeah, there's not much editing
that'll be going on them. Darn it.
Well crap, another one off the board, but still lots of talent

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there. Oh, creep still.
But now to me, like to your point earlier, my shift
completely goes away from offensive line in the first
round now that like there's no one in there that I think jumps
in. Yeah.
To fill that spot. What's so crazy is we are like

(10:12):
literally getting down closer and like we may have to make
this Will Johnson Malachi Starksas a rock who type decision, you
know? Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Do you? All right, I got to ask you.

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I mean, I know he's not on your big board, but I think probably
because you assumed he wasn't going to be here.
Do you really think Josh Simmons?
I I like Jeff Risdon. He's entertaining, he's smart,
he's been in the business. He knows what he's talking
about. But it it doesn't make much

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sense on paper because you just paid Taylor Decker.
So there's no spot there for thenext couple unless he totally
falls off the table, which you wouldn't want for the football
team. He didn't sound like he wanted
to move Penny to left. He wanted Simmons play left.
I want to say Mahogany is a natural.

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I can't remember if he's left orright.
Isn't he left? And they were going to move
Glasgow to right is what I heard.
And then we're going to. So it's not a perfect
switcheroo, you know. Oh, we draft Simmons, you play
him at left, put Mahogany at right.
Glasgow's a backup, moves over to left tackle when Taylor
Decker. I mean, but Jeff Risdon, our

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guy, great guy, sounded like he was very confident, which he's
always, it's one of my funnier things about Jeffrey.
Whatever he says, he's very confident and there's no maybes
or hums or I think or pasta. It's like this is my guy.
He's possible for the lions and that's it.

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So, but for me, no, I don't. I don't want him.
I wouldn't really like it. I'm sure I'll probably sell it
as tremendous if they did it, but I I know.
All right. I mean, I think I got to look
here as a Raku Mike Green. How do you got the, how do you

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have those guys stacked up? Ogre, we've got Mike Green just
ahead of them, right? I.
Mike Green was kind of the Cinderella of the combine,
right? Or the Senior Bowl.
Yeah, I had a good Senior Bowl. I I like him.
He's he's got some positives andsome negatives.

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He's when you start sacking the people.
I mean, he's he's right behind Will Johnson Starks for me.
And it's a bigger position of need, but he's a different type
of edge than the Lions have typically had.
He's a little bit smaller and people say, oh, look at the
power at the senior. He's not really a power player,

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but I think they'd like him. I mean, he's got production.
I think he had 15 plus or 1012 plus sack.
So the sack production is there.So if if my safety is in my
corner and if I got to choose between him and as a Raku, it's
going to be Mike Green for me. Yeah, it's close.

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We need Matthew Golden to go offthe board.
We need, yeah, Jade Baron to go off the board, preferably
Jackson Dart going off would be nice.
James Pierce can go off, that would be nice.
Yeah, I agree. And you know, for me, a Mecca

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Buko could go to, that'd be a nice drop.
You know another guy dropping tous?
I'm just trying to think if there's like another offensive
player, what about what about Josh Connerly junior from

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Oregon? I hadn't didn't do a ton of
research on him. I saw a little bit here and
there. But you know, again, he a lot
early in the process, he was kind of projected as a first
rounder, but I think he kind of dropped down a lot of people's
board. Yeah, I don't know.
He's he could go to one of thosegood teams at the end or early
2nd, but I don't, I don't love him.

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No, he doesn't want to run it back with Penny.
My my whole thing with tackle isthe minute Taylor Decker hangs
him up, I would already have cross trained Penny to go to the
left. I'll get somebody else at right,
either in free agency or the draft.

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I'll figure out the middle of myoffensive line over the next
couple of years and keep it moving or hope my guys have
already taken end up being good,which would be nice.
Or heaven forbid, Gio Man who plays the right or left and
Penny plays the other and we roll with two Polynesian beasts
on both sides. That would be tremendous.
But for Gio, Man who it's, oh good for me.

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OK, I. Like it for Geo man who chops.
It's how should I say this? It's it's TBD if you ask me, but
we'll see. I hope he plays well.

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Giddy up and Mecca Buka, my wildcard think about him for the
Lions goes off, which I'm happy about because you know, Ohio
State sucks and they're vanquished and surprised I'm in.
Coughing in the freaking microphone the whole show, not

(16:26):
feeling my best. I don't think I'm gonna die,
though. Chubby hope not at least make it
through the draft is my hope. Yeah, you'll be all right.
You'll be. After that it's.
Tough guy, right? Pick 20.
Denver is on the clock. Do you who did?
Let's let's go back to the old Oakry mock.
Who'd you have there for the forDenver there?

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I mean, I got who most other people got and who I think
they'll take. And then, you know, people
cooled on it. And that's Hampton, the running
back from North Carolina to SeanPayton and the bullies.
Especially with the tight ends going cuckoo in the top 15 or
wherever they went. Yeah, you still got you still

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got the other tight end there though.
Who, who? Who?
Oh, no, I'm sorry. No, Tyler, if you're right, they
went to Indy. Yeah, they really do need some
weapons in Denver. Yeah, like when Marvin Mims is

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your #2 wide receiver, that's that's pretty rough.
So. He's not though.
That's why like I saw DJ gave him Golden, which they didn't
do, which again, I kind of agreewith after hearing his
interview. But you don't have, you have
Mike Evans still, you have ChrisGodwin still, even though he's

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probably hurt having some type of surgery.
You just took talk. About Denver.
Oh, Tampa Bay, I was saying whatthey just drafted.
Receiver. Denver, Denver already has.
I mean, they got Sutton, they'vegot, you know, Mims, your boys
like a Flash Player. He's like a third or fourth,

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right? They have a couple of good
receivers there. They got a bunch of, they got a
bunch of bowling alley attendants at running back and
they just let Javonte, who like was supposed to be incredible
and then was an absolute nobody and kind of finished somewhere
in the middle. What's he like in Dallas now or
something? So they got nothing that they

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could put you at running back and see how you do.
Yeah, he's the starter in Dallasnow.
So they got, let me look here they are looking at Jaleel
Mccaulen and the guy who I can never say his name, Audrick
Estimate. Well done.

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All right, so I'm literally like, unless the lions
absolutely love Donovan Jackson,I I don't see any other like
offensive anything that I would even half consider all like
second, third, fourth round. Another guy I love.
That's lions. That's if you get him at the
right spot. Give him to me all your big
receiver Bulla bulla, give me Jack Beck from TCU.

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Oh baby. I I love that player from a
grit. Toughness does everything right.
Not going to blow the top off anything, but just kind of going
to always be open, always be tough.
Jack Beck, I know you're taking notes on all this chop.
So you can not only take all these guys in
realitysportsonline.com. If anybody wants in our leagues,
please hit me up on Twitter. You can find me at Derek Oakley.

(20:07):
Because I'm the only one trying to recruit for our leagues and
try to help help out the situation.
I know you're going to take all these guys in there.
And you're also going to tell methese are all your guys later
after I've given you all these Nuggets tonight.
So I I see you working. I know you're and yeah, we know
this is what you do. But OK, I love Jack.

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Back before you did. OK.
I know everybody. I had no idea who Jack Beck was
before Senior Bowl. What?
It wasn't he wasn't he on the Oak the chops honorable mention
podcast with the the big wide. Receiver.
I don't know, I, I, I fell asleep at like minutes 6 or

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something. Yeah, probably.
I dozed off a little bit at thatpoint.
I'm sure you you didn't. You probably didn't even flip it
on, you just flipped. It after the 4th.
Hey everybody, this guy's 63, weshould get him.
He's not good at football, but he's tall, he's big.
Clearly you did not. Listen to it.
No, I. Appreciate that we support the

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package. There that you're sure was
tremendous. Occasional Co host.
And we already got the millions and millions.
So I don't have to. I mean, I produce a host.
I, I can't listen to every show,especially when it's a all tall
people wide receiver pod. I'm looking at the choppy best

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of it. Oh wait, there's nobody there.
The Oakry stacks Will Johnson, Malachi Starks, Mike Green,
Ezaraku Jihad Campbell, Jade Baron, Derek Harmon, Maxwell
Harrison and there you go. That's the short list that Oakry
did on the fly with the no time I have available.

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I'm sure there's other sleepers that I like, but that's my stack
for now. I do hope Shudor was a
Pittsburgh. Did you hear my take about like
I can never see Mike Tom and being like, you know who I want

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to be the leader of my franchisecrying Karen Rogers, like that's
just the worst fit ever. If you ask me.
It's like let's take a weirdo enigma chump and put him with a

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leader of men Alpha that does everything right.
That makes no sense. Yeah, I agree that it really
doesn't. There's Yeah, I I can't.
I think that was all smoke and mirrors.
All right, Broncos on the clock.Who we got?

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We lost we lost the draft audio for the Make a Wish kid
selecting. We got Oakley's microwave going
in the background though. We can hear that loud and.
Clear. I reached the point where even
though I don't feel good, I got to have some sustenance to get
me through. Good.

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Then I just say, like, as much as you love him, get him off my
board. Thank you.
Another stupid team where Denverlike Sean Payton just building
it like he did 1020 years ago. OK, he had a nice bounce back
last year. He probably will end up having a
couple ho hum years and he'll befired or quit again.

(24:15):
It's kind of what the guy does, just saying yeah, I'm.
You know, looking at their, I don't know, you know, it was
this roster better than I do. I didn't even have corner as a
need for them. So maybe that's just EPA for
them. They're going to ride Pat's your
tan and you know, Jihad Baron. It's not a bad combo.

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It's a great combo. It's.
A. Great combo.
That I was high on last year. Let me know the next time you
win with corners, a bunch of whole home players across the
board on offense and defense and.
Hey, look, you got Bo Nicks. Oh Bo Nicks never got he had one
decent year so put him in the Hall of Fame please.

(25:03):
Ciao please all. Right.
Use your Pittsburgh take. Should or should or?
I could see it. For me, for Coach Prime, for for
everybody, please just take the kid.

(25:34):
I feel like Pittsburgh's also the team that runs it down, runs
the clock down all the way down every year, too.
I don't love the Pittsburgh likeSeattle.
Quarterback D line corner man. They maybe look at Will Johnson.

(25:54):
They probably didn't expect him to still be there too.
They just signed Darius Slay bigplay, except he's old balls and
like oh I'm sorry, I can't what to.
Do. I was going to say I can't say
anything or else the billions and billions of loyal die hard
Detroit kool-aid drinkers will come after me.

(26:14):
I did say it wouldn't have minded him here for a year, but
he got like Buco bucks and like went there and they think he's
going to like just start. I guess I I don't know, like the
guy's been pretty good and Philly, don't get me wrong, but
my beef with them was we always said big place, lay the finger
wag. Like tell me how many picks he
had in Detroit. Probably like less than 10, you

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know, I was. Going to say 9.
He like played well, but he never really made big plays,
even though his name was Slay and he didn't really like do
these amazing. He had a couple game-winning
picks and a couple, you know, nice plays here there played
well as a football player, but he's a above average corner in

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Detroit. We just love them because of his
personality. Swag, what he said at the
podium, which was tremendous, bythe way.
That's probably what you liked. About him, he's an all time
podium guy, there's no doubt. Did we ever play the what did
Slay say on the pod? That's like 97.1 did that one
time where they just played clips and you have no idea what
he's saying or talking about. Like it's a fun game.

(27:18):
Sounds awesome. What did Slay say?
I don't know. Sounded funny though.
I must have missed that one. All right.
So we got to like, yeah, you're right.
I mean, like Chador helps our, our it's right here like for
sure. And then we got to start like

(27:39):
hoping for these top guys that Ihave had pegged and that you are
now copying. Chador, please.
Oh damn it. I really grew to love Derek
Carmen too throughout the process.

(28:00):
At first I wasn't as big of a fan, but hell of a solid
football player. Really good Steeler type player
too. Yeah.
That was your sleeper, I think. He was on my top four or five.
Safe, simple. If everything else fails, take
Derek Harmon type of guy. Another one off the board for

(28:26):
the OCRY Lions pitch right? Man those those corners OCRY are
still still standing out. Not those corners.
Alfred Starks, Mike Green, There's a Rocket Man.

(28:49):
Is it? Is it Ezaraku?
Is it? Ezaraku Malakai Starks.
Malachi Starks Guy Starks. I mean, again, I, you know, when
people were, you know, we're mocking him there.
I'm like, dude, he's a top ten talent.
Like I just. Couldn't imagine him being
there. Malachi Starks is like the grey

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sable of defense. He could play safety, he could
play corner. He'll come up and tackle.
He's smart, he does everything right.
He fits. He's like, it's, it's too easy
for me, even though it's it goesagainst that strategy of, well,
we kind of already have a coupleguys.
It's like I'm, I'm telling you now where they pick 21, like

(29:35):
he's at the top of my Oakley shortlist and he will be the
pick if he's still there. Colton Santa.
Now I. Hate I I don't even I don't want
to put this out there. Never mind, I'm going to hold.
I'm going to hold my breath. So like I had the charger I I

(29:56):
just wanted again, I, I, I thinkyou got it construed because we
like to have fun on the show andjoke.
But like I not only thought it was going to happen, but I would
have just absolutely loved Colston Loveland at 22 to Jim
Harbaugh. That was that's so perfect to
me. They don't have any tight ends.
They have other skill guys. They also need a a running back.

(30:20):
I don't know if they'll take Hampton here or whatever, but
that just seemed like not only aperfect fit, but like a fun team
for him to go to, you know? Yeah, that I think that was the
that was the fun, you know, Loveland Harbaugh connection
that everybody kind of. He'll be better though.
Let me give you credit. Like he's going to be better as

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far as stats and usage and high end upside at Chicago.
But he could have just went to the Chargers and did exactly
what he did at Michigan. Catch a bunch of passes, still
be gritty and grimy like, well, this coach be just perfect, you
know? Yeah, All right.

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Chargers on the clock. I got needs as tight end, edge,
wide receiver, D line corner. Would Jim Harbaugh go and grab
Will Johnson? I need you to go on a few rants
or some long tangents. Choppy.
I need a like 3 minute food pause here.

(31:25):
So you need me to just go on a diatribe?
Just every take, pretend like I'm agreeing, pretend that's
entertaining, go for it. No, all right, well, I'll let
you hit mute then and have your snack break.
So, you know, don't do what Choppy's doing, which is eating
on on the camera here, eating onthe mic.
But Speaking of camera okra, youknow, you know I'm not, you're

(31:46):
not going to answer me. You probably just went on mute.
You'll probably fall asleep. You'll eat your food here.
But one of these days we're going to have to get the old
YouTube action going. I know neither of us want to be
on video, but get the podcast upon the YouTube.
You know, it's probably dangerous.
It's probably good we don't haveit on there because we probably
break the Internet. I'm pretty sure the Detroit
Kool-aid cast would break the Internet if we went on YouTube.

(32:08):
But hey, let's get back to the draft.
The Lions are literally do my math here. 7 picks away.
We are at pick 22 with the LA Chargers.
Let's see, Daniel Jeremiah's best available.
John Campbell, Hampton Golden. That's his top three Chargers.

(32:30):
Got some needs here. I'm just going to look at the
old board here. And you know the thing, like you
said, I think Oakley kind of hiton it here.
But dude, Colston Loveland to the Chargers would have been
fun. It would have been, you know,
the coach reunited with the player.
They need it. I would not be surprised if the

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Chargers go. They may end up going corner
here and taking Will Johnson. He's high on the board.
BPA. They do need a little bit of
help. Actually, they need a lot of

(33:12):
help. They need some edge work here
too, so I could see them grabbing their edge that they
like. Possibly Mike Green as a raku.
Lots of names are still left on the board and wide receivers are
pretty set for them with Con Conky, Quinton Johnston, My Boy

(33:35):
Q and Mike Williams in the fold there.
Tight end is still a big need for them, but I just can't see
them reaching up and grabbing a tight end here.
There's really none on the boardthat makes sense for them there.
They're still on the clock, which is hilarious.
Again, letting the clock run down to the two-minute mark
here. And you know, I think Oakley, I

(33:59):
think he's kind of spot on because I'm getting to the point
where if, if our if our favoriteedges are gone, you just got to
go BPA here with for the Lions. You're talking Will Johnson,
you're talking Malachi Starks, Mike, you know, MM Green's not
there. I'd be thinking about Jihad
Campbell. It's going to be interesting

(34:21):
here, folks, because the Lions have 7 picks.
Six players are going to go now and they're really going to have
to be whittling down on their list.
Would they trade up to grab a guy or would they trade back to
recoup some assets and maybe have a little bit of a different
look because Brad Holmes has notbeen known to trade back.

(34:44):
You know, Speaking of trades, I have to say I'm a little
surprised. One kind of splash there at the
beginning, but Jacksonville jumping up to the number two
pick so they could snag up Travis Hunter.
The two five swap. There's a lot of talk about guys
moving out, teams moving out, other teams moving up, whether
it was to get their quarterback,whether it was to get their
running back. I haven't seen a whole lot of it

(35:07):
happen yet. Jobs, I'm back.
Whenever you want me to save theshow, just let me know.
Hey, I'm, I'm rolling the peopleto sleep here.
We're just talking about, you know, lullabies and wide
receivers and. No, it's all good stuff.
I I want to do this for the people and I don't have normally
I have like a big picture of that delicious Honolulu blue

(35:29):
flavored kool-aid with a double side of cornbread.
I actually didn't both have timeor the ability or the want to to
do that, but I got a little bit of this choppy.
That's, that's a way too late. Like normally my rule is like, I
don't need it after like 7:00 PMat the latest.
And here it is like 11 and I'm Igrubbed out quick because gosh

(35:53):
knows we couldn't take chopped takes for more than a couple
minutes. But no, seriously, I just popped
the top on a delicious A&W root beer that's going in a A&W root
beer frozen float mug and that'sgoing to be my my treat here
before the Lions pick. I'm going to quote drinking in

(36:17):
man, you know what I'm saying? Just saying.
That AMW up here is the best, bythe way, anybody you can sit
here and don't, don't come at mewith the barks.
Don't come at with the other other nonsense and A&W rope.
Here is where it's at. One of your better takes right
there. I but but in the legit a dub

(36:37):
frosty mug that's been in the freezer.
You put it in, then you let it sit and then you got icy slushy
deliciousness. Like I had no idea until I did
this for my grandparents. I was like, man, they probably
love A and dub from back in the day.
So I got them a couple mugs and we did the whole float Frost or
float root beer float. It was incredible.
So are. You putting the vanilla ice

(36:59):
cream on top or are you just going to drink it straight up?
I didn't do the ice cream because I knew you were like
hanging by yourself there and I literally had like 2-3 bites of
food and then I'm going to pop atop on this coldy here and call
it a day. So again, it's a family show.
So I'm doing the root beer in the mug and yeah, should be

(37:19):
delicious. Love it.
I love it. Pick is in.
I don't know what the crowd was doing.
The clock expired and then they said the pick was in, but they
still haven't announced it yet. Like they're they're really
trying to draw this out. They want to make sure the lines
do not pick until like 1111. Hey, I think we're making a

(37:42):
decent time to be honest, but weneed Matthew Golden to go off.
We got I could see him with the Chargers, Green Bay Rams.
Did we say who we thought our picks were here for?

(38:06):
I mean, I'm going with Hampton, the running back from North
Carolina, but it's not a love. It's just BPA position of need
and Jim Harbaugh type # them. Yeah, I don't disagree.
Boom, again. Are you people hearing this like

(38:30):
us just breaking it down? Dropping knowledge on people
like the millions and millions. The loyal, diehard Detroit
Kool-aid drinkers got to be loving this.
That is a fantastic pick for ourlives.
Oh great. It's man, it's getting close.
It's getting. Now the guy starts.

(38:52):
Now the guy starts. Now the guy starts.
Oh man. So we're literally a handful of
picks away, and the only two players that I wanted more than
Will Johnson or Malachi Starks was Walker or Michael Williams

(39:18):
from Georgia. Like we're literally about to be
28 picks down and I'm at my third or fourth.
BPA for my boy Brad. Always open for business homes.
You know he's listening. We need to get him a tweet just
so he knows who to take again. You got the chatter heads on the

(39:40):
clock now. The matzo sticks.
Maybe that's why they gave him the extra time there.
Get these guys all hyped up. You know all 700 people at the
draft there in green. Bay all over near the.
Millions and millions that came to the draft in the D.
All related somehow, you know, Green Bay, just saying.

(40:04):
I heard a couple people say thatthey thought the Lions could not
and would not pass on Jihad Campbell.
Now I love it for gimmick a treeand merch.
Campbell, Campbell and Campbell.That's that's that's worth

(40:26):
something. But I just I love the guys like
deep voice and his physicality and his crazy hair and his
toughness. But I can't have my top
linebacker have a bad shoulder injury.
I just can't. Yeah, that's a hard pass for me.

(40:47):
It's not a hard pass for me. My two guys go and and Chappy.
We still got my green. He as much as I'm rooting for
Malachi Starks like Mike Green and as a rock who are basically
almost guaranteed to us here in a couple picks.
So yeah, life is good. I think Green Bay is going to
throw a wrinkle here. I think, I think they're going

(41:10):
to take secondary. I think they're going to take
one of our top, one of our guys.I think I'm thinking Will
Johnson. Watch him go like watch him go
with like a golden or just like another weapon like they have
all these ho hum weapons, but I could see him doing that just to
try to help out their quarterback and stuff.
But I. Mean dude yeah, like Wicks Reed

(41:33):
dubs Watson Hardman, like right.How many more weapons do they
need? They don't, but I'm saying like
that's what I heard, the rumor innuendo that they were going to
do that again. I'm like, you already got like
enough options. It's just that none of them are
that good. I hope so.
I hope I'm wrong. Leave.
Leave me Lil Johnson there to take some wide receipt, take
gold, and that's fine. Let let me give the Gorgonzola

(41:54):
and the goat cheese a little credit, though.
The linebacker they took last year was like the top backer and
we knew he was good, but didn't he go like in the second round
or something? And he's a freaking monster.
Name's escaping me right now, but he's all over the field when
I watched games last year, usually when we were up 10
against the Packers. You know the the Swiss cheese

(42:15):
over there in Green Bay, WI. But totally.
Drawn about are you talking about?
What are you talking about? The linebacker that the Packers.
Did yeah, I know it if I hear his name, but he's he's like an
all everything type player. He was the top backer on the

(42:38):
board last year and like he lasted till like mid Round 2 and
when they took him I'm like oh, and then when I saw him play I
was like oh good, it's good oh. Cooper.
What's his first name again? You have it.
Adrian. Adrian Cooper.
Yeah, he's he's a monster. But the rest of the team, not

(42:59):
that great. Except for Jordan, Love, who you
know I love. I know you love Jordan.
You love to love Jordan. I love them.
The first time I saw him in a PFF video when I worked on and I
was like oh I love this guy. And then when he went to the
motto sticks and I was like, buthe's fun to watch and when he's
not good, he's really not good. You know what's fun to watch is

(43:20):
him laying on the ground bleeding because he's got a
Honolulu all over him. Yeah, just saying.
It's true, it's true, it's true.It's damn.
What's crazy is like, so we sorry, go ahead.

(43:41):
I was just saying, I can't even say anything else good about
about the cheddar heads here. You keep, you're given love to
love and. Monterey Jack cheese.
We got to come up with more cheeses.
What what's so funny is that we put all this or I put in all
this work. No, I'm just kidding.
We kind of like dive into this draft and we do all this.

(44:03):
Who we going to take? What's going to happen?
And like I'm literally sitting here at 23.
We pick a 28 and I know it gets harder in the other rounds and
I'm literally sitting here goingthis is such an easy non stress
right now. I'm literally just going to sit
here and I'm going to take Will Johnson, Malachi Starks, Mike
Green, Donovan has a Rock Who orJihad Campbell?

(44:25):
Basically, you know, one of those guys will be there and
that'll be my pick. So it's very easy, very
straightforward. Yes, at Chops in the D we'll
probably copy and paste what I just said and maybe even my pick
when I say it first, but that iswhat it is, hey?
Listen, you want me to say the pick first?

(44:45):
I'll say the pick first. That's all right.
With the 28th pick at Chops in the D selects Rudy Pooh, Candy.
Look at these idiots. Go, pack, go.
No, we. No, no, no.

(45:14):
Just drawn out. Brutal.
Green Bay is normally like a defense type team so maybe they
help their old line or somethingbut.

(45:39):
I'm just rolling through the list here like I'm trying to
figure out what I I think they're going Lil Johnson here.
I hate to say it, but I think they're taking a corner.
It'd make perfect sense because that crazy guy they had who used
to be good and then like went cuckoo and some reason they kept
him the last couple years. He was never healthy and used to

(46:00):
be an all pro and I forget his name too but he like is out the
door and I couldn't even tell you there are other people so
they need. They can't cover a coffee table,
that's for damn sure talking. About Alexander.
Whoa, whoa. Lions on the clock shortly.
I just heard what? I just heard that rumor, guys.

(46:23):
Maybe he's just doing the NFC North rundown, but yeah.
I'm sure he's just talking aboutthe rundown.
I don't see anything about a trade.
Commissioners back up to the podium.
If it's not Malachi Starks, I'm putting a tweet out saying
that's what I want so the peopleknow I'm going to give them my

(46:45):
stack ahead of time so they knowwhat it is.

(47:26):
You got the audio on there, Okri?
It's a little low, a little light.
Are you walking around working the board?
Walking around Nice. How's that board looking there,
Okri? The old magnet board.
Delay. Shut up, Mike Murphy.

(47:47):
Get off the stage, you dweeb. Cheddar head, Cheddarville
cheese stick mozzarella. Never going to pick.
Let us just torture us. Oh my gosh, they're terrible.
You know what, Let's just go ahead and take another wide
receiver to make the people happy.

(48:09):
We send up Eminem, they got thisJamoke up there.
He'll really get the crowd going.
They are getting jacked. Is he actually going to make
this election? Yes.

(48:44):
Oh. No, they.
Didn't bums. That's idiots.
Oh my. That's like a a hey, this will
be funny. We'll do this for the people and
like, we're all like, yes, good.I.
I. That's tremendous.
Look, I would you know again, you know how I love the name

(49:06):
drop? I went to school with Matt
Lafleur. What are you doing, bro?
You got what is your 6th mediocre wide receiver that
you're rolling out there like? Not to mention that you see the
things yesterday, they're very interested in the George
Pickens. Like, yeah, add him to your
garbage fire you got there. Hey, that's great for us.

(49:29):
Don't care. Perfect for the last.
Matthew Golden is a good speed player.
He's a slot type and I wasn't aswowed by him the farther we got
in the process, so I talked him up early.
I cooled on him based on interviews, tape and other
factors. So you can have them cheddar

(49:50):
sticks, but a crazy the top widereceiver is a top player.
Don't care, don't care. All right, hold on.
Sending out this tweet. Took me 10 minutes to spell
Donovan Saraku's last name. Holy moly, you should have had

(50:10):
that all queued up there, Okri. Hey, I didn't expect eight of my
favorite players still be there at 24 here, so I'm giving the
people a rundown. There's only four coming off the
board. OK, you're going to be looking
pretty good here. You give it to the people over
the Twitterverse. I'm giving them five names.
Is that is that good? What'd you say?

(50:31):
Will Johnson, Malachi Starks, Mike Green, Donovan Ezaraku And
Who's your 5th? Jihad Campbell.
Jihad Campbell. There it is.
Wow, I I'm absolutely stunned that at three of those names,

(50:54):
Will Johnson, Malachi Starks, and Mike Green still be in here
this late at 24 is just mind boggling to me.
Tweets and. My notifications are silent so
that there's no spoiler. I'm just letting you know, I
think that you need to put out alittle shoppie take.
Maybe these are my top three players in order or hashtag what

(51:17):
Choppy said early so the people know.
Oh, you, that means I got to sithere and I got to get my list.
I mean, again, I did. These are just names.
I, I, of course, I mean, they're, they're names that are

(51:38):
available that I just did not expect at all.
Choppy Hello. It's called the NFL draft.
Happens all day, every day. I know these secondary players I
was not expecting though. I mean, I was I was expecting
the either of Mike Green or as the Rock who like the from BC.
Those guys were there. Those eyes were on my list.
But I was I am just absolutely shocked that Malachi stars is

(52:04):
still there. I mean, Will Johnson is a bit
polarizing. You know, we love him because of
Michigan, but yeah. That's what I was just going to
say. Is that he like?
Darks is like, I dude, I can't. You can't not take him.
You just can't. I keep saying it, but like, he's
arguably a top five talent in this whole draft.

(52:26):
I don't know, man. It's just not mind boggling to
me. This is the part I love about
the draft chops. Remember when the Lions would
always get like A + B plus like best draft, you know, ranking?

(52:48):
And because we took like flashy known players from big schools
or guys that were fun to watch and it never worked out.
Like that's what these guys are doing.
They're going cuckoo over this pic.
And it's like you have to have trenches and like legit stuff

(53:09):
set up. You can't just like load up on 6
receivers, think you're going torun them all out there and blow
the world on fire. Like it's not going to work long
term. I agree, and again, they don't
even. They aren't even anywhere near
needing a wide receiver. That's hilarious to me.

(53:37):
See, I I agree with you though, and and don't put this on your
on I can't tell you what to tweet, but I put mine in order
based on how I have them now. But I'm totally with you and I'm
saying this on the recording that even though I have will
Johnson higher and over the process, he seemed like the much
higher, no doubt like just talent.

(53:59):
Yes, he has the injury concerns or, you know, he just wasn't in
the process that much. But I don't want that to really
sway me. But I just love Malachi Stark so
much as a person that if there'sany, I don't know.
Will Johnson, I didn't really see much from him.
So he like loses points, but he just seems like the more.

(54:21):
I mean, on our defaults, he's four and Starks is 18.
It's like we knew he was like a no doubt corner before this year
where he got hurt a lot, So I'm torn.
Oh, there you go. I'm glad with that because

(54:42):
everybody wanted him to the Lions, not me.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm, I'm good with that,
man. We're getting this.
We're getting to some kooky territory here, buddy.
So all I'm saying is like, I'm about to actually, maybe I'll
tweet it out too is like just saying how I'm a little torn and

(55:03):
I I might go with Starks above will, but that'll have to be
something on the clock if I haveto make that decision.
But. I might have said Will Campbell

(55:28):
a couple times. I meant John Will Johnson.
And we got a trade. We got a trade.
I can't. I'm trying to tweet.
I'm trying. To good Giants are back in, and
you know that's not for anythingbut a quarterback.
Quarterback. Yep, With Houston, by the way,
who I would actually, Yeah, All right.

(55:48):
Oh, my gosh, I got too much stuff going on here.
I'm trying to compose a tweet. I'm trying to get my BPA.
I'm trying to get Minnesota withthe big, nasty tackle, which I'm
totally happy with. Thank you.
All right, we got the Giants trading up with Houston.

(56:25):
All right.
You know that's got to be fair quarterback there.
Jackson Dart, which again is hey, the coach loves them.

(56:50):
We think he's going to do X and it's like he's he could boom,
but he's much more of a. Highlights.
The. Flash the swag the the the you
know the media S show that it is.
What I heard, because it taught Todd Mcshay went on and on about

(57:11):
this, that Brian Dabel loves Jackson Dart.
He's not a Shidor fan, so unlessthat's Boola Boola, which it
doesn't sound like it is. I think Chador would be loved by
that New York fan base and fit in pretty well, but there's
nothing tying those two together.

(57:32):
So either either or. It helps us, but alright.
I got the sheet updated. I got the tweet going.
Too much going on here, buddy. Too much going on.

(58:04):
Alright, Oakley, assuming this is quarterback you got, which by
the way, who was taking the quarterback, the Rams?
Like why does New York need to jump up from like that high up?
I don't understand. Giants weren't taking a
quarterback, Ram or I'm sorry, Rams aren't taking a

(58:26):
quarterback. Baltimore's not taking part.
Detroit's not taking part. Washington isn't.
Buffalo isn't. Kansas City isn't.
Philly isn't. What?
Why? What do you need to do to do
that? Yeah, but you're assuming that
everybody just sits and nobody else that might want a
quarterback is not jumping up to.
So you're always just trying to go get your guy for the right
price, you know? Yeah, that makes sense.

(58:47):
It just seems silly to me, like.A funny big.
Play. I got to ask you this chops,
even though people don't want tohear about our fantasy, like how
itchy do you get in reality sports online drafts.
Are you like always like even though we say hold your water,
trade back like and those are you looking always jump up or
not so much? Yeah, I am every person who says

(59:13):
that they. Yeah, absolutely.
I'm always itching to get to getthere like.
I find myself contacting a lot of people saying like, hey, you
know, what would you want for meto get up here?
But then I always think like, but isn't don't we always talk
about how we just should sit andpick or move back?
It's hard though. Yeah, the, I mean, The thing is

(59:37):
like, I don't do it to like jumpup high.
But when those later rounds go and I've got like my guys and
I'm like, OK, they may be going or I get into a spot where I
like, I really love. There's like 1 receiver that I
still that's out there that I still really love.
And I want to try to jump up there and snag him knowing that
like the offensive players will come off the board pretty much
to the end. But it is I do get itchy.

(01:00:04):
That's what I was. I was just throwing it out there
as these real life examples because these teams, I think
kind of get the I just got to have this guy and they don't
think about who's in front. Hey, these other teams might
need not need what you need. It's just more like I got to get
him for the right price. And sometimes the right price
for you is like not the best foror is is is great for the other

(01:00:27):
people because they didn't want to pick anyway or they just
don't care. So it's kind of interesting how
it all works. But yeah, I would say so this is
a quarterback. Let's look at the board.
This is a quarterback. And then Rams, Baltimore,
Detroit. So I'm guaranteed to get will
Starks green or as a rock. That's I don't even have to go
down and and flip the coin of Jihad Campbell.

(01:00:50):
And the only other person I had on my top 15 or 20 stack that I
just threw in there because I love his game and his toughness
is Maxwell Harrison, cornerback from Kentucky, who you laughed
at me about and said who? And then he got a lot of first
round buzz, but it'll probably go in round two.
But again, corner, do we need it?
Do we not? He's just damn good gritty.

(01:01:11):
Football player, yeah, I, I mean, he's definitely we're to
that point now where that's he'sright there, he's in the mix.
So I'm not a big John Campbell guy, so.
And I'm definitely not a James Pierce junior guy either, so.

(01:01:42):
It is. Told you and here's here's a
proving point that as much fun as we have on the mic, as much
crap as you give me, I give you a bunch of crap.
There is not another player in this draft or in the last
however long that has more swag.Where's more gimmicks?

(01:02:05):
Has more stuff that looks cool than Jackson dart.
He wears eye black like Hutch, he has a bandana, he wears an
arm sleeve, he has Jordans, he'slong hair coming out the back,
he looks got the visor and he looks like everything I love
from a swag. Just funny equipment type

(01:02:25):
perspective and he's fun to watch.
But I'm saying now that I see him as a Matt Stafford lights
like makes all the throws, has some moxie but never will win
anything, never will put up numbers really like Matt
Stafford did. But it's also definitely not a

(01:02:46):
bomb. He's going to throw all over the
place, runs a little bit, thingslike that Let.
Me ask you this, maybe you just said like a Matt Stafford, like
what about like a Baker Mayfield?
Like that swag, that trip, that moxie, no.
He's got more like he's more of a pretty thrower of the
football. And the thing that I heard about

(01:03:08):
him that people don't like is hecame from Ole Miss, which they
just had a lot of like simple things for him.
You know, so can he read out DS?But he can throw from like all
platforms. He can run.
He can fit it in windows, like if it's open, he can put it on
people. But he's Baker Mayfield was more

(01:03:32):
like that red ass tough guy where Jackson darts like swag.
Fun to watch. Leader will also go get your
first down with his legs a lot, but also going to turn the
football over a lot and look wimpy sometimes.
You know with how he throws it into just a random window, gets
a pick, things like that. Yeah, I'd be absolutely lying to

(01:03:54):
you if I told you that I watcheda bunch of Jackson Dart.
And he doesn't even seem like a New York guy, Like he just seems
like he would have been great with like the Titans in the
third, second round or, you know, like one of those down
South teams that aren't good rather than the New York market.
I just don't see him like that. But I don't know him personally
so. Rams are trading Rams are

(01:04:20):
trading of the Falcons. Oh, no.
Well, the Rams usually take our guys or kind of know who.
We have similar interests probably, so maybe that's good.
Who is it? Atlanta.
Atlanta. I'd say Jimmy crack corn and I
don't care because I'm going to get Malachi Starks or Will

(01:04:40):
Johnson or Mike Green or doesn'thave a Raku, so I don't care who
they take. They traded up from 46, so they
got somebody they would really, really love.
Be prepared to that. It could be none of these names
we're talking about. Like we could be all hyped about
those four names and whoever else you want to throw in the

(01:05:02):
mix. And it could be Boola, Boola
Jones from from Gimmickville. I mean, I don't know.
Oh, you know who this probably is.
This is probably Malachi Starks to the Falcons.

(01:05:23):
He's lived his whole life in Georgia.
I just heard his wife is named Savannah.
He's never left the state. That's got to be who it is.
They probably know that kid better than anybody.
That's a slam dunk pick for them.
They just got like a couple older safeties.
They. Just took Jalen Walker too, so
he's got that familiarity there.That's Malachi Starks bro, he's

(01:05:45):
off the board. Put it, put it, mark it, hashtag
it, whatever you do. I think.
You're sure I'm? Going to call it.
I don't think they're going up for an edge.
I I say this is an edge. They just took an edge.
They're. Double dipping.
Nope. Malachi Starks.

(01:06:19):
Oh great, you'll see me even better.
Let's go there. It is, dude.
There is chop, he said. All right, chop.
So now I really gotta decide between Will Johnson and
freaking Malachi Starks. The Ravens just took your boy

(01:06:44):
Hamilton. So they have safety.
They just and they paid what? Marcus Peters or not Marcus
Peters, Marcus Williams or whoever else they got like 3 or
4 like high end good paid safeties.
So hopefully not Starks. I don't know who their corners
are, you know? They're hurting that corner.
They got Nate Wiggins at corner and then.
They just took him. He's good.

(01:07:06):
Who? A bunch of Jibrons.
Just a bunch of Jibrons. I could totally see them going
Will Johnson. And then I'm calling Malachi
Starks. That's that's the play.
They could go Mike Green too. Mike Green strikes me as a
Baltimore type guy. But they've got they've got meta
bouquet and while they run the 3/4, so they got in the

(01:07:30):
Broderick Washington. So I put the big nose tackle in
the middle. Who is Baltimore going to take?
That that. That Atlanta trade up for James
Pierce was huge for the Lions. Huge because he was not anywhere

(01:07:51):
on my radar. I nobody, I actually not.
There were a lot of slappies that were like loving them, some
Jane having that debate and you know, from day one we were not
on that player and I pretty muchguarantee the Lions were not on
that player. I.

(01:08:12):
Agree. It's like I'm almost hoping in a
weird way that Baltimore takes Will Johnson so I don't have to
make the call because I'm leaning I'm telling you now I
don't know what you tweeted out.I did tell the people that I was
going to have a hard debate. I, I am thinking that I'm going
to do the bold move of of takingMalachi Starks over Will Johnson

(01:08:38):
and like playing that. Wasn't the order that you put
him in there? But hey, I have the ability to
change. That is how I have them until
I'm on the clock. And none of that means anything.
So I'm just, I'm just saying. But the reasoning is if you

(01:08:58):
think DJ Reed's going to be good, you think Terry on
Arnold's going to be good, you have some rake straw who you
just invested in, regardless of how good will Johnson is or will
be or will not be like he's going to be in the mix.
Maybe if he's great, he would overtake whatever.
But I feel, and again, I'm not acoach, I don't like you know,

(01:09:21):
know all their in or out workings.
But I feel like I can take Malachi Starks and play him,
Kirbo and BB from day one and bea versatile, crazy defense on
the back end and cover my butt down the road depending on if I
want to make that decision or whatever.
I guess I've just fallen in lovewith safeties too, because they
can tackle, they can blitz, theycan pick the ball off, they can

(01:09:46):
help your corners, They can do so many things.
So that's why I'm leaning. And then we also just have the
Will Johnson questions of like health and how much does he love
to gain and things like that that aren't really warranted, I
don't think. But I don't know, you know, I
don't have enough information tobe like, Oh no, he's totally
healthy and he's going to be a pro.

(01:10:07):
It's more of like I think ratherthan for sure where I don't have
a question at all and haven't for a while.
With Malachi Stark, I I literally turned on his film
highlights recently again and I was just like in love.
He comes up and smacks you in the mouth.
He makes plays on the ball. He he runs sideline to sideline.

(01:10:29):
He's and then I saw a couple of interviews and that just that
was it too for me. The diversity of the secondary
right now with BB is huge because it allows you to take a
guy like Malachi Starks. You can shift him around a
nickel. Like, yeah, dude, I I the ball
hawk skills of Malachi Starks inKerbo in that safety position.

(01:10:52):
I mean, again, like you said, he's just loves to hit.
Yeah, man, I'm all on board. I'm almost, I'm almost so hyped
up now that I'm going to be disappointed if it doesn't
happen. And I don't want to be that way.
I don't want to be that way. But let me ask you this, So

(01:11:13):
Creek, OK, Starks and Will Johnson and Mike Green are the
three of them are there. Do you take one of those three
or do you trade, trade back, pick up assets?
Oh, I'm picking here, I'm picking here.
Unless I mean, somebody gave me some cuckoo like Coco Pops
offered. Just for clarification, Atlanta

(01:11:36):
just traded pick 26 and a third and a third round pick for pick
46, A 2026 first rounder and a 2025 seven.
So they picked up a first rounder to trade back 20 spots.
I do. I mean, yeah, it'd be great, but

(01:11:57):
it's. I would have taken that deal on
a heartbeat for them to jump to us.
I mean, it's if the question is,am I taking that or am I
picking? Like I'm probably taking that
because there's still people I like and I'm not like in
desperate need for a player, butif there's no offer anywhere
close, I'm easily picking because I love all these options

(01:12:19):
right now. I thought as a rock who was
going to be like best case scenario, he's 4th or 5th for me
right now. I got the tweet all queued up
choppy. I'm I'm sending it in here
shortly because I don't think anything that I can't see the
Ravens doing it because they have so much invested in
Hamilton, but they love good football players from the SEC,

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but and Starks is a little bit more of a hybrid.
Well. They only have Hamilton I.
Mean, I think, I think I just heard DJ say it's Starks for
Baltimore you. Think who just said that?

(01:13:07):
Yeah, he DJ is always on it too,especially for Baltimore because
he used to work there and he knows what they want.
Here we go. No.

(01:13:41):
That's that's a Stinger for him to go all the way down to 27 and
be that close. Dang Dang Dang Dang, Lion's on
the clock. You want to save your pick

(01:14:03):
first. Yeah, let me Dang, man, that's
that was my guy. All right, Choppy, choppy pick
Lions 2025. How much time do I got?

(01:14:25):
I got plenty of time. I'm waffling.
I know what the tweet said. That was my guy.
I was taking him. No doubt, No, no ifs and buts
about it. I literally can't believe he
went all the way down and then be picked before like I if

(01:14:47):
anybody but Baltimore's in frontof us, they take some other
bumps. Key McGee look at he just looks.
I mean, damn it, I'm so pissed because they just showed his
highlights. He's just like BB almost, you
know, with what he does looks clean and crispy.
Just oh, but we already have a Malachi Starks.

(01:15:10):
The name is my boy branch, in case you didn't know.
So that's what you got to do in the draft Chop chop.
I got to coach you up again. You got to pivot.
You got to have other options. You can't sit there and Boo Hoo.
And I'm not sure. And all right, the Lions pick is
in into. The microphone 30 seconds ago
buddy you were like dead silent for 4 minutes after they said

(01:15:32):
I'm. Not happy, but I'm trying to get
the choppy pick. But I'm, I'm saying it now.
We don't have to say we was first.
You already know Oakley selects Will Johnson from Michigan.
I've been saying it well. You see, I knew you were going
to do that so you could give me the whole you said so first,
that's OK, then you know what, I'm pivoting.
Give Me Mike Green Marshall Edge£250 D line ranked 16th in the

(01:15:56):
PFF or higher. Showed up, showed out.
Give me Mike Green. That's a that's a great pick.
I mean, don't pick because you want him to be different.
I'm just saying that like I've already been talking about it
and you said, well, how can you go with Malachi Starks when you
have Will Johnson higher was like, well, when I really kept
thinking about it, yes, I would have taken him over Will

(01:16:18):
Johnson. They're both on the board.
When one's not on the board, I'mgoing to take the other guy.
And yes, I know we need an edge,but to me, Will Johnson is too
good to pass on. I think you'll be fine.
And this draft is stacked in edge and interior, so I'm going
to try to get that later and sure, up my corners.
But your pick is the more logical of, hey, Mike Green's

(01:16:40):
productive. He's pretty nasty.
He's BPA for a lot of people, you know, it's a excellent
selection. I mean, I haven't even seen them
put up where the Lions are at. Like, I'm assume they're on the
clock. I don't know how much time's
left on with their pick is in. They're going Gaga over Malachi

(01:17:04):
Starks. I knew this was going to happen.
I was going to like just be disappointed after that guy who
made it that far down. Part of it, let's be honest, is

(01:17:26):
like how much I now I talked himup, but like said for a while
now that like could you imagine?And no, we can maybe.
And then oh, I watch more. I love him even more.
He's my favorite player. So it's partly my fault by
saying all this stuff about him.Maybe he's not going to be that
good. I don't know, but I mean like.
We've been talking about him forweeks, though, like he's, I

(01:17:48):
mean, again, early on he was nowhere on my radar.
I've said from day one he was nowhere on my radar because I
didn't think he was coming out of the top ten nowhere on my
radar. Like I liked him that much.
I didn't even factor him in. Let me, I want to put you on the
spot here though, Like tell me right now, like tell me a
position or a player where you're like, man, if that you'll

(01:18:09):
be bummed. Is there a guy out there where
you're just like you think mightbe on the board that's in this
range where you just be like, why did we do that or a
position, anything? It's a tough question to ask,
but. Jack Sawyer.
I mean, I I don't know. Nobody's sticking out to me on

(01:18:32):
my little short list. I mean, no, it's it's like guys
that I either don't think they'll take or guys that I
wouldn't really mind. I mean, hate to do it, Jeff
Risdon, but Josh Simmons wouldn't be a favorite right
here. All right, who's hugging who?

(01:19:03):
Who's in the room? Yeah, here it comes.
Hey, Sheila. The HAMP, I think has Michigan
ties. She'd love another Wolverine.
So would Aiden Hutchins in the 20 25 NFL draft.

(01:19:28):
The Detroit Lions. No, damn it.
OK, Choppy. Like that was the other name I
heard late, and that was the other guy I didn't want.
Yes, it's a school we shall not speak of, but like I kept
telling myself I'm like I reallydon't want another one technique
defensive tackle from Ohio Statethat I don't think he ain't that

(01:19:52):
great as a former Co host of theDetroit Coulay cast used to say.
Did I do a lot of work on him? No, but yeah, that that that
Josh Simmons are the two really that jump out to me of please
no. Oh my.

(01:20:18):
Oh man, I just don't. I mean, first of all, like,
look, I can take the whole what school he went to out of it
equation, but why? I mean, again, like you got a
lead in the dream, you got DJ Reader, you got like, I just

(01:20:38):
don't understand Levi Mango. Like you just got Lopez,
Broderick Martin stolen. He's why?
Why do I need a big, somewhat penetrating nose tackle?
Like that's, that's exactly it. It's I the lines brought him in.
They talked to this guy a lot ofstuff.

(01:21:00):
Maybe they'll take him like in Round 2 was the hope but or like
when I heard about him being picked here, it's like what do I
need another 334 LB interior runstop before?
But he you're not going to get after the quarterback at a high
level at 334. I'm just here to tell you it's
not going to happen. So they basically took DJ

(01:21:21):
Reader's replacement and a guy to hold the Fort down until
Honey Bun AKA Twinkle toes AKAAKAAKA gets back.
And it's like, no, I don't need another big body.
You also hope that Levi will be good.
You also need to move Pascal inside who's a big body.
Like I don't need A and with that being said, it's like, oh,

(01:21:43):
but we win in the trenches. We beat people up, we're tough,
we're physical. We not only already have that.
You can find one tech defensive nose tackle types other ways.
God, I hate that pic. And I hate to say it because you
know Will Johnson could be heardhis whole career and never be

(01:22:04):
good, but you're telling me MikeGreen or as a Raku or Jihad
Campbell aren't better than Ty Leek Williams?
Get the hell out of here, man. Come on.
I'm not drinking that in. I'm not double sided cornbread
in that. And that's usually what I do
because we do that on the show and we love our team.

(01:22:25):
But come on. That's rough man.
I'm not I I like. I said that's, that's not just
rough. Sorry to jump in on you again,
but we need the sound bites Chuck, let them know.
That's terrible. That's terrible.
That's terrible. Come on, Brad, always open for
business. You can't love that player that

(01:22:48):
much. I.
Just don't know. I I don't I don't even know
where he fits on this team. That's my problem.
Like, you know, unless you really think like this dude is
going to lock up the middle with, you know, Aleem the dream,

(01:23:09):
AKA AKA for years and years and years.
I just don't get it. I just don't get it.
Why? Like what's he doing?
I mean, he's not a sack guy, right?
Like what do we struggle at getting to the quarterback?
So he's not a penetrator 3. I think the most sacks he's had
one season is 3. I don't know.

(01:23:29):
I don't look. I trust Brad Holmes, but I don't
like it, man. I don't like it.
The only thing that we can say is what you just said right
there is that we know little. I can't tell you I watched a
bunch of film or highlight. I can't tell you I studied his

(01:23:50):
bio. He actually like, it's funny,
you asked me that question rightbefore the pic because not only
was he not on my little short radar of like guys that I was
looking at, but I literally the last couple days, every time his
name came up, I was just like, they're not going to do that,
are they? Like that just doesn't really

(01:24:10):
make sense. He's not really dynamic in my
opinion. He didn't seem like a need.
He wasn't ABPA type. So it literally was like every
time it was him and Simmons. And like, who else did I see
there a couple of times? I was like, no, please.
But like Luther Burden, there were some people like, oh, get

(01:24:32):
him. They'll just make us incredible.
I was like, please, no. Like, I love Luther Burton as a
talent on paper, but there's a lot of questions.
And yeah, so like, if I had a redo and you were like, name a
couple of names, I would have probably went down my list and
been like Simmons and let me look here.

(01:24:55):
Oh. Tyleek Williams from Ohio State.
Which who, by the way, was that ranked like 45 or something?
Or 50? I wasn't even moving that far
down right. And and you said it right that
it's it's not the school we havefun with that gimmick, but if it
was some all everything player from there.
And, and I'm sure all the experts will tell us how great

(01:25:16):
this guy is and how we don't know what we're talking about.
But like, to me, he's not a, he's not a first round half to
have it. He's not a wow.
We have this big gaping hole. Exactly.
So would I, so would I exactly. That was more premier position.
I, I heard somebody the other day who always talks about what
positions to take. They were like, man, I just

(01:25:39):
disposition value means nothing to me.
I'm like, no, it means everything.
That's all you guys talk about. I forget what show it was, but
it was like, you know, so a morepremier position, tackle
corners, get paid more than interior pushing tough guys or
run, stop or whatever you want to call them.

(01:25:59):
I mean, I'm just looking at the list like give me a freaking
injury risk on Jihad Campbell, please, if it and I would have
easily taken the two edge rushers before any of those guys
traps. I really didn't think we're
going to be doing this right now.
I thought it was way too easy topick any of the four guys I

(01:26:21):
named and I'm dancing in the streets.
And instead they took one of theshort list of players where I
was just like, please, no, please, please don't do that.
Like I know we might have half aseason missing of Ellie McNeil,
but I don't care. I care, but I don't care enough
to use a first round pick to hold this water for a while.

(01:26:44):
Yeah, I dude, I'm again, I I just have that feeling where
it's like there's so many good options and when I felt this way
before is sometimes it's worked out.
So but I just don't understand what you're doing with all those
bike like is Broderick Martin. I'm not on this team anymore.
Like how many D tackles? How many defensive lineman?

(01:27:05):
I didn't even bring up BroderickMartin because he hadn't done a
damn thing in the league. He was the guy they had to have
and he's so big and he's going to do this.
He's going to do that. And again, like you just you
brought back Miles Adams. You got Wingo, you Lopez, Levi,
Broderick, Martin, Eileen McNeil, DJ.
How many deep tackles are you? I mean, you're.

(01:27:27):
Pissing me off by reading these names because I didn't even
think about Lopez either. You just brought in Lopez
because he's supposed to be a dog in the middle that's going
to hold up and and do some things.
Yeah. Who who's getting the Gatorade
out of these eight people? Because like 1 can play on on
1st and 2nd down. Oh my God, I'm getting like
upset, like real upset right nowjust thinking about all these

(01:27:50):
names and bodies that are supposed to make us some real
tough. I'm looking at this freaking
dude too. He looks like an absolute slob
in his jersey belly all hanging over his belts.
Like this guy must have something that Brad Holmes and
Dan Freaky Campbell does absolutely love.
Like either he's like super nasty or fits them so perfectly

(01:28:13):
like. I mean, the other thing too,
like, I don't know, man. Like when I say Chicago, do you
think dynamic running that running game?
No, they're going to draw some crazy stuff up.
When I say Green Bay, do you think dynamic running game that
I got to stuff? No.

(01:28:35):
When I think Minnesota, like, I don't know, man.
I just, I can't wrap my head around this right now.
I can't, you know, like when I said is there a position that
you'd be upset about if we drafted?
I almost feel like this positionwas right behind quarterback or
running back. Like if there was a wide

(01:28:56):
receiver you love there. Cool.
Like not what I might not my jam, but I get it.
You know, obviously into, you know, offensive line.
I would even been OK with a tackle that has to sit behind
Decker or Penne for a year. Fine, but like you literally
have 8 interior defensive tackles and probably a ninth

(01:29:17):
with Josh Pascal needing to moveto the inside and now you've
added another one I. Don't know, we better be like
the greatest interior rush team and run stopping team in this
century, because the whole idea of getting edges and getting
other things was so that Pascal and Levi and DJ Reader and Lopez

(01:29:44):
and whoever the other 18 names you named off could eat in the
middle of that defensive line. Instead, you added another body,
you neglected edge. You didn't take a top 10 ish
ranked corner like I almost see like when you cut the mics
because like a lot of this will probably come back and both

(01:30:06):
bite, bite both of us. But like I literally I'm going
to have to not only do a deep dive, but try to be objective
because this was not a guide, not only on my radar, but as you
just said, give me like a top onneed on my list and it would be

(01:30:26):
in yes, I had interior defensivelineman on my list, but it was
like last on defense or next to last.
And it was for a penetrating sack, like get up the field type
of player, dynamic athlete in like round three or four.
Yeah, if there wasn't one of thestuds, like there wasn't.
So why you dip down and got had to have this guy like I'm going

(01:30:50):
to have to not only find out, I'm sure we're going to be
educated that he's got this and he's got that and he's so much
of this we couldn't pass on. We love his character and it's
just like, but you got guys there already.
Unless your idea is to like dumpall those guys and let DJ Reed
Reader go obviously and then it's him and Honey Bun in your
middle for the next 5 years if you think that's your answer.

(01:31:12):
But still, that doesn't make sense either.
I. Mean again, like you know, and I
know you know people are going to beat me up because I was
like, hey, if Kenneth Grant is there, you run and take him.
Whoa, you choppy. He's an interior defense, but
he's he's an attacker. Like he's aggressive.
He is like just dominant up the middle and he's a, you know, a

(01:31:34):
total penetrator like this guy. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't even like, I'll also put
this out there too. I like Darius Alexander more
than I like Williams. Exactly.
The kids, like 19 years old and a lot of pub.

(01:31:56):
And I heard basically nothing about Tylik Williams until the
very end when it was like, hey, I'm hearing the Lions like this
guy. Yeah, yeah.
Dude, I don't know it's I again Oakley.
This is the tough part about being live on the mic, right?
He turns around, he becomes an all pro lean the dreams out for

(01:32:17):
the whole year. So he slots right in and it's
like, Oh my God, their lions areso smart.
They took to leak Williams and look at what he is now and like
I hope to God that's what happens because I feel sick to
my stomach right now, absolutelysick to my stomach.
Maxwell Harrison goes to Buffalo.
He was he was my fifth guy before.

(01:32:37):
Will Johnson still on the board.I like Green still on the board.
The other thing that's crazy is like I'm going through the old
Twitter machine and like I see no reactions and no good
reactions, that's for sure. I see a couple people going
well, Liam is out. Like, you know, Brad Holmes will

(01:32:59):
probably do something we didn't expect.
And it's like, I haven't seen one person jumping up and down
or being like, great pick. And here's why.
Like, it's a bunch of I, I don'tknow, like you say, we're going
to have to revise probably because it's like we obviously

(01:33:21):
don't know. This wasn't a guy that I did a
deep dive on because I wanted him or because I heard good
things. This was a guy on the periphery
of my vision. OK, losing my boy.
He's a big body. He's from the school that did OK
this year, except they lost in Michigan.
He's probably nasty. He's probably tough.

(01:33:42):
You know, those are the things Ithought, but it's like, no, like
because there's so many other needs, because needs matter.
Because we already have so many big bodies and you've spent
money there and you have high expectations.

(01:34:03):
So they either know something wedon't or think they know
something we don't. But what I know right now is
that was not the pick I wanted. I really didn't expect it other
than I had heard buzz over the last week or so that he was a
name and maybe but hopefully later.

(01:34:23):
And 1000 votes on Logan Lambrandir's poll and 45% giving
it AB 20% C. The ochre grade of AD has 10%
and 25% of the slaps that have no idea who he is but are

(01:34:46):
probably loyal lovely Detroit kool-aid drinkers. 25% love it.
I'm. Going to cut you off here and
ask like OK Philly and Kansas just swapped pics.
Why? Literally why I what the what
the ever. Love it.

(01:35:10):
This is the dumbest. The dumbest end to what was a
great first round that had so much.
I mean you could have done anything.
Hey, you want to know Tyleek Williams is razz not applicable?
Yeah, because he didn't. He didn't test right.

(01:35:30):
I mean, that's what I'm seeing here from good old Kentley
Platt, the Razz guy himself. All B gap.
Oh gosh, one QB hit and three sacks in 2024.

(01:35:54):
One QB hit and three sacks. Oh God we got a guy that scans
1. Block 1, batted ball that wins.
With that, I'm trying. Look, I'm looking.
Josh is like, is there a stat that I can throw out to try to
be nice? Is there 1 stat?

(01:36:18):
Is there 1 stat that I can just again the the great.
Here you go. Ready for this, the great
Natalie Sparbach? I'm keeping all the receipts
from you bums that are great Downton, Brad Holmes out and
keeping receipts. Keep whining and crying, we'll
remember. I you know I love you, Natalie

(01:36:38):
Sparvik, but the great. The great Natalie Sparvik.
Very positive. Except when she isn't, which is
some of the time. I Here's the thing.
Here's where we're going to get proven wrong.
Hey, he's AB gap. He's a perfect fit for our
scheme he'll play next to so andso they'll be dominant they'll

(01:37:01):
stop the run he's got better pass rush than he's shown in
college due to his lack of numbers.
He's a dog he's got Detroit tie he's like he's he's nasty, he's
gritty. You know, all those things we'll
hear and it's I mean there's pitchers where he looks like,

(01:37:22):
oh, this guy's probably a nasty defensive tackle.
And then there's other ones where it's like who is the slob
330 LB slob at a 91 jersey. That was probably a mid second
round talent that we took at 28 when there were five other guys
that I easily would have taken blindfolded over this guy.
I. Mean I could just 15 guys that

(01:37:43):
would have taken over here. Right now, if I'm being, I'm
just saying on our shortlist, there's, yeah, anywhere from 15
to 30 that I probably would havetaken over Ty Lee Williams.
All right, well, hey, look, he'son the team now.
So, and you know, the other thing that's just going to be a
big kick to the gonads on this one is Philly just traded up and

(01:38:09):
I bet you they're going to take Jihad Campbell and it's going to
be like, how again, like, how dothey just always get players
that fall to them? So let me ask you this to your
question like so two teams are at the end and they swap with
each other. Yeah.
I mean. Literally, literally, so that
Philly, Philly traded up one spot, traded a fifth round pick

(01:38:32):
to to move up. I mean, was Kansas City really
going to take Jihad Campbell? Right.
Or like, that's almost that gentleman's agreement, like, OK,
we'll trade, but who are you taking?
And if it's your guy, you don't trade.
If it isn't, you're just like, oh, a free fifth round.
But but yeah, that's usually be like a team coming up from the

(01:38:54):
second round or like another team in your conference.
Instead, it's just like a one spot forward, one stop back for
a guy that the other team probably didn't want and that
you had to have because they didn't want him.
What's so annoying is that, yes,we all know they're probably
going to take John Campbell Jihad Campbell's probably going
to be a great player. He's going to have no, like, you

(01:39:17):
know, injury concerns. He'll fit in the culture and
like, he shouldn't be there. Yeah, you don't.
You don't. Looks like this is the thing
that you okra. You know how I feel about
Philadelphia. I hate all things Philadelphia
sports. I hate them.
I do like they're the worst fansin the world.

(01:39:37):
Listen to hear. But like like, you know this, my
disdain for them. But guess what?
Every stinking year I look at their draft and I'm like, how
did you get, well, you know, again, just run the list.
Nicobe, Dean, Quinion, Mitchell,Keeley, Ringo Cooper.
I mean, I even like the DN Morrow, Ajoma from Texas.

(01:39:59):
They got like, I love all these guys together.
Of course I didn't, you know, I left out Jalen Carter because he
was kind of like Nolan Smith. Like how do they keep drafting
all these guys? So here's the thing.
And like, I can't yell as much as I want to because it's past
1130 midnight. But they do what we do.

(01:40:19):
They take the high names, the big schools, the easy picks, and
most of the time they work out great.
Yeah, when we get Sidney Brown, Lewis, Seen all these guys.
Jeremiah Trotter, junior, another one linebacker that I

(01:40:43):
like. Just craziness, dude.
I hate, I hate, I hate that theydraft so good.
I hate that I like their draft. And they're going to take Jihad
Campbell with some no way. Should have been here 31, but
again, just falling down the board.
There he is. Oh my goodness gracious, look at
this monster. All right, what wide receiver is

(01:41:09):
Kansas City taking with with a? Burden Luther.
Burden for sure. Mark it down market.
Market All right, well, let's have some fun here because, you
know, the first round is wrapping up.
It's not exactly who we thought,you know, again, maybe a lien

(01:41:31):
being out until, you know, allegedly December was really
scaring them and they thought they needed to make this move.
This is what I would say on the positive side, sorry to jump in
on you because I'll be quick. Like the positive I give.
It is like the time when we started winning for the Detroit
Lions when we invested in big people on both sides of the line

(01:41:54):
that beat you up, move you take care of the trenches and he
based on his size and his position fits that.
And the more of those you have, the harder, like a lot of the
teams don't want to deal with that in today's game.
They don't want to get freaking punched in the mouth for four
quarters or deal with big bodiesjust shuffling them around.

(01:42:17):
So I, I would say that that it'sanother investment in trenches.
It's a big body. He's probably nasty and
physical. And that's what we sort of hung
our hat on along with the fancy skill guys later and in other
ways that it worked out really well.
So hey, I hope it's another hit.I got to trust Brad Holmes and

(01:42:39):
Dan Campbell. I'm not happy at all.
But I love our football team andI think that it will prove out.
We'll see what happens TB, if you ask me, but we'll see.
We'll see. I hope he plays.
Well, I hope he plays well. I finished it for you.

(01:42:59):
The other thing again, I got a little positive, but then
immediately go back to the negative because what this pick
does is this pick tells me that you don't like your pick your
that you use high investment on with Levi and Brodrick Martin.
So like this pick to me is almost like an admission of

(01:43:19):
those picks weren't that great, which is tough to swallow.
Look, if William McNeil can't play until, you know, week, you
know, 12 and DJ Reader has had some injury issues and you're
like, wow, man, Thank God we've got Williams just put in the
middle there with whoever else is filling in Mayweather, it's

(01:43:43):
Josh Pascal or whoever. Like maybe they know something.
They're not as high as on DJ Reader as we thought and they
know the leans hurt more hurt than they're leading on.
So to me in that sense, if I want to say like, what justifies
this pick, that could be what justifies that pick.
But then my retort to that was you brought in Lopez, you
drafted Broderick Martin with a third round pick.

(01:44:05):
You drafted leave our own Zurichwith the second round pick.
Are you telling me that those basically aren't weren't good
enough to fill the hole that youthink you're going to have with
the Lima dream? That's all.
So. And again, Josh Pascal has to
get off the edge. So you're shifting him to what,
the bowling alley at that point?Again, a second round pick.

(01:44:26):
So my quick counter too is like when did we start drafting?
If you're correct for the short term holds or what ifs, this guy
in the first round at 28 has to be like a dominant 3 down
interior player to be worth thattype of selection.

(01:44:47):
He can't be A2 down run stuffer that plays rotationally.
So I don't care how long a lien is out or what he might be
replacing. Like he has to be so much better
and so much more than that. And I just don't think he is.
I mean, again, you're like you said, you're admitting Martin

(01:45:09):
isn't going to work out. You're not going to retain
Pascal Levi's here for a year. But we're going to be better
with Michael Williams and Liam and whoever else we bring in.
Like I just, I don't see him as that type of guy.
I would obviously do my DTS different.

(01:45:30):
I would have one big body, a couple penetrators and young
cats in there that can rotate, but they're going for big nasty,
hold the run, be stiff, you know, get after the quarterback
in other ways. And we got to trust it.
And, and, and I see people already on the, this is what's

(01:45:50):
going to be tough too with this is it's going to be the what you
know better than Brad Holmes. Look at what he's done.
And it's like, yes, how many times we have to say it, We
praise, we joke, we, we like, come on here and give him his
props. But if we just love everything,
what are we doing? And he hasn't hit on every
single thing. And this feels like not only a

(01:46:12):
miss to me, but a bad appropriation of resources.
Too many big 320 LB plus defensive tackles, not enough
old lineman, not enough edges, not enough people that can cover
a coffee table in my opinion, Myhumble opinion.
How many 300 plus pound dudes can you really have?

(01:46:33):
Like, I don't know, it's. I just gave up on my boards long
ago. Even before the Lions picks, I
was so excited who we're going to take.
But that's the first round. Choppy Josh Simmons to the
Kansas City Chiefs with the final pick.
So tackles or wide receivers forthe damn Chiefs and just stud

(01:46:57):
athlete primetime big name guys for the Philadelphia Eagles.
And oh hey, by the way, they're in the Super Bowl most every
year. Imagine that.
Disgusting. You know what's making this
worse too? We're going to have to find a
good way to sign off because I know you got to go and I'm tired

(01:47:17):
as could be and not feeling well.
But like this set up so perfectly like we were at 2627
and we couldn't go wrong. You could have taken 6-8
players. Hey, good pick and I love that
player. Nice fit, going to be great.
I had not a worry in the world. I'm just sitting here going

(01:47:39):
whoever they take on my list or these other like I'm good.
And they took one or two of the handful of players that I
wouldn't have been good with. And it wasn't even like, hey,
the I saw a couple people on Twitter, hey, everybody was
picked over. So Brad Holmes does what he does
and took a great player that youguys don't like.
It's like, no, not really. There were nice path rushers,

(01:48:02):
there were corners, there were multiple corners.
There were other people, even other interior defensive tackles
that I probably would have liked.
So throw some of that Boo Laboula out the window.
But I think that's why I'm most mad because I as it can't get
closer. I was just in heaven.
I was like, we're going to get one of these great guys that we

(01:48:23):
were hoping for that we never thought would be there.
Life is good. And instead we went the total
opposite direction. And my mistake, I got you all
hyped up about Malachi. We're all on Malachi.
Malachi Starks is the guy he goes to pick before to a great
franchise that's going to use him awesome.
And then we do that, which for all we know is going to work out

(01:48:45):
great and we're going to sound like freaking morons, but like
right now, not happy and frustrating.
This is my retort to that though.
Oak Creek, like I, it's not likewe're OK like it would be I
would sound like an idiot if it was just like I don't like him
because he went to Ohio State and he went to Ohio State.

(01:49:08):
Well, he went to a house like that's that's a sound like a
moron, right? Like we're legitimately giving
reasons why do you need 9 off defensive interior players that
are 300 lbs Like that's I feel like that's a justifiable
question. OK, so and again, maybe we sound
like quote UN quote idiots because Aline doesn't play at

(01:49:30):
all next year or you know, DJ Reader can't stay healthy and on
the field and things work out and it makes sense, right?
But again, I will still just continue to go back to like, why
did you draft these other guys in the first 3 rounds if they
weren't really going to fill in?So, you know, and again, this is
one of those situations to Okri,like every year, I would love to

(01:49:51):
be wrong. Please let me be wrong, right.
Let this guy pair up with the lean the dream and win the Super
Bowls for year after year after year after year.
I hope that I'm wrong, but rightnow my initial gut reaction is
you could have had one of the best corners in the draft, in my
opinion, and Will Johnson, You could have had Mike Green, who I
thought was skyrocketing up people's boards somewhere

(01:50:14):
between that 10 and 20 range pick for Edge.
And you had, you know, and then you had Donovan as a Raku from
BC, who we both thought were really highly of.
They were there. So I don't know.
Let me give another. Be nothing and maybe this is all
overreaction that you know Mike Green that never plays and Will

(01:50:36):
Johnson can't stay healthy and you know Donovan goes to some
team and then he never you know he's stuck behind the depth
chart. Maybe that's the case.
It really could be. But you know, if let.
Let me let me counter with two quick things.
One for the people out there that but OK, well, Johnson
didn't even go and neither did Mike Green and neither none of

(01:50:58):
them went that you like. OK, that's a fact.
That's true. But also, that doesn't mean
they're not going to be good. Also, I want to counter and talk
to your point is that not only were they there, like these
aren't scrubs, these aren't likeshots in the dark, you know,

(01:51:19):
that we're talking about. And also to the good point that
I want to kind of circle back to, and we could probably end on
this. The best case scenario for me
with Tyleek Williams, it doesn'thave to do with the school.
Obviously it's not our fave, butthat doesn't impact his NFL
career. It has to do with what you said.
OK, let's say we got 7 to 9 bodies that are big interior

(01:51:42):
players right now that you can'thave that many on a football
team. But what you can have is maybe
like, we're not looking at it oflike Josh Pascal hasn't been
what I hoped or what we kind of hoped once we got to know him.
So maybe he's like going to be moving on after this year, but
maybe he has a nice year this year and gets paid somewhere

(01:52:04):
else. Maybe they have come to the
realization that Roderick Martinnot only will be more just never
more than a project, but maybe he's at best a depth player or
or working at the bowling alley soon.
So there's two big bodies that are gone.
Lopez, yeah, you brought him in,but he didn't pay him much.
So maybe he's a has a role on the team, but you're not going

(01:52:27):
to count on him. We pretty much know DJ reader,
that's our DJ, even though we like love the signing didn't do
much last year. Getting older, hopefully can
have a nice little bounce back, but pretty much guarantee he
won't be around after that. So now we are kind of down to
and Levi, same thing. Hey, maybe he'll ball out
because it's contract year. You pretty much know he'll move

(01:52:48):
on. Maybe he's in the fold if he
balls out because they seem to love him.
So then you're down to maybe Levi and Ty Lee Williams and
Honey Bun lean the dream McNeil and some depth bodies.
I mean, I guess I can put that together as like your future at

(01:53:09):
interior defensive tackle. But I guess it comes back to
that. I just don't value that style
and that type of player as much as others or this regime does.
But hey, to be positive, you winthe trenches, you beat people
up, Maybe this guy's way better and does way more things than we

(01:53:29):
know. We need to go do our homework.
But on a draft like that, that fell like that with a guy that I
loved and was my favorite playerin the draft going to pick
before, and then you do that andflip the script on me.
I kind of lost my mind over the last 45 minutes just going
through this of going just take one of the other guys and like,

(01:53:49):
not only will I be happy, I think it would have been a more
like, hey, we could see that he was highly ranked.
You needed an edge rusher. Hey, we like Harrison.
He's a gritty corn reel fit right in with Terry on and
company. But to do something so kind of
out of that realm and like I said, all the interior lineman
were gone, offensive lineman. So it's like you just went on

(01:54:10):
the other side of the ball. It's not like necessarily
surprising. It's just disappointing because
we already have bodies, we have other neat positions and Brad
Holmes always says I take the best player.
And I can't imagine that on manyother people's boards, fans or
otherwise, Tyleek Williams was the next guy that everybody had

(01:54:32):
to have. You know, he's a no doubt does
this does that just, you know, foolproof prospect.
Like that's not who I see it allin that person, player body
type, whatever you want to call it.
So choppy. I think we need to not only do
our homework a little bit, but have a little bit of that

(01:54:53):
Detroit kool-aid with a double, triple, quadruple side of
cornbread before tomorrow. And and the other thing I want
to say on a positive before I throw it to you for your closing
woo wheeze and whatever else youdo like the draft 7 rounds.
So let's say we hate Tyleek Williams pick.
Let's say they come back, get a stud in round 2A.
Great play around 3 grid 4 don'thave a pick around 567.

(01:55:17):
They do a couple trades here andthere.
We could still be walking away going looking at the body of
this draft going, man, we got some peace or we got a hell of a
draft class because it's not made out one pick.
So that's where I'll end it. Trust Brad Holmes, love Dan
freaking Campbell, love our football team and hopefully I
will grow to love and respect Mr. Tyleek Williams, interior

(01:55:40):
defensive tackle, the newest Detroit Lion.
Yeah, well, so don't agree. I don't know if there's really
much more that I can add to that.
You know, Tyleek Williams putting ripping up that probably
will be thrown in the dumpster, throw it in the fire.
That disgusting Buckeye red jersey that he's been wearing,

(01:56:02):
throwing on that delicious Honolulu blue flavor kool-aid
Lions jersey. It'll look crispy.
All right. He might not be able to get over
his gut, but it'll look good. It'll be nice.
It'll be very tight and but look, you're right.
The draft is comprised of many, many picks.

(01:56:22):
So I'm looking forward to see what they do tomorrow.
We got pick 60. We got pick 102.
What a first rounds man, you know, 1 trade ended up up in the
beginning. Some trades in the back.
The lions get a player that we really was not on our radar in
the first round, you know, and then I think again, our our
darling pick gets taken those the pick before us.

(01:56:44):
So, hey, like you said, Okri, I,I can't really say it any better
than you trust Brad Holmes. He still got lots of Holmes
cooking to do. You know, he's still in the
draft room rubbing those meat hooks, slapping them together,
thinking about what he's going to do at 60, what he's going to
do about one O2 rally in the troops getting there.

(01:57:05):
And obviously, I'm looking forward to seeing him go to the
podium talking about what they were thinking, how excited they
are to have this guy in the in the jersey.
And welcome to the Lions, TyleekWilliams.
And let's catch you right back here.
It's not even the next time because it's like the next day
for rounds 2 or 3. Everybody drink it in.

(01:57:28):
Drink it in. Double sided cornbread.
Cornbread, Cornbread and. We'll catch you next time right
here on the D Troy Coulade cast.OK, everybody, we're out.

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