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June 17, 2025 55 mins

Ed Kless joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about what he and his Threshold co-founder Ron Baker think is the next big thing (spoiler alert: transformations).

Talking Points

  • The Concept of the Experience Economy
  • Progression of Economic Value
  • Transformations and Their Impact
  • Threshold: Guiding Transformations
  • Transitioning from Service to Transformation Economy
  • Skipping the Experience Stage
  • Charging for Transformation
  • Subscription Model as a Solution
  • Value-Based Pricing vs. Hourly Billing
  • The Revelation Document
  • The Concept of Moral Injury

And here's the link to the document we discussed on the show:
THRESHOLD - A REVELATION for the Transformation Economy

About Ed

Ed Kless believes entrepreneurs continue the work of creation and that business exists to promote human flourishing. To advance this vision, he cofounded THRESHOLD, where he guides professional leaders and teams through edifying transformation. Previously, Ed served as Sage’s senior director of partner development and strategy, hosted the Sage Thought Leadership Podcast, and designed curricula for Sage Partners and Customers. He also co-hosts The Soul of Enterprise with Ron Baker, his friend and fellow THRESHOLD co-founder.


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