June 11, 2025 • 54 mins
Come and listen while Host Gia-Raquel Rose, owner of Airs Above Yoga chats with today's guest Nick Dunbar.
Married with three young children, Nick is an avid fly fisherman and an
outdoor enthusiast. He is also a certified yoga teacher. He began his
Real Estate career in 2014. Since then he has been a top producer
completing nearly 200 transactions. He takes great pride in managing
deals effortlessly and honestly. Nick has a master's degree in
educational psychology and a bachelor's degree in music. An
exceptional musician, he has performed all over the country. Born in
California, and spending the last 15 years in Colorado, Nick Dunbar is no
stranger to the wild west and the culture that comes with it.
Nick’s captivating debut solo album “Little Country” was released in early
2022, and is stacked with some of Colorado’s finest musicians. After
playing mandolin in touring bands and pounding the pavement playing
Honky Tonks and Dive bars all over the country, Nick decided to slow
down to build a life and family with his wife. With three kids and a farm
full of chores and animals, he is finding some solace in this more
sustainable lifestyle. But Nick continues to write and perform as often as
he can. He is very entertaining and it is hard to not notice his mega-watt
smile and the sparkle in his eyes. With wheels already in motion for
another album, be sure to keep your eye on this one!
Nick Dunbar and Gia Raquel Rose explore the delicate balancing act of managing multiple passions while maintaining mental health and authentic relationships. Their conversation reveals how mindfulness practices and intentional choices create space for genuine connections in our busy lives.
• Learning to respond rather than react to life's demands through mindfulness practices
• How physical ailments often manifest as expressions of mental health challenges
• Setting boundaries in a digital world where constant availability is expected
• Finding the "flow state" in passionate pursuits like music and yoga
• The importance of community support when navigating life transitions
• Building discipline around self-care without becoming rigid or judgmental
• The profound impact of consciously choosing your life path every day
• Balancing authentic self-expression with professional responsibilities
Join us for this soul-nourishing conversation about finding your center in a demanding world. Follow Nick Dunbar and his music on Spotify under Nick Dunbar, Nick Dunbar and Sad Cowboy, and The Lazy Sky, or on Instagram @nickwdunbar.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Namaste and welcome to the Divas that Care Network.
I am your host, gia Raquel Rose, owner of Heirs Above Yoga, and
you are listening to Above theGround podcast.
If this is your first time.
Tuning in our network is goinginto its 15th year and is
listened to in over 30 countries.
I would like to personallythank you for giving me the gift
of your time.
It is always my honor to holdspace with you, and today we
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have an amazing guest with us,mr Nick Dunbar.
He is a man that I can say isconsistently busier than me,
which is kind of hard to do,because I get that a lot from
everyone Like, hey, how do youdo all the things?
And I'm kind of like I don'treally know, I just do them and
put out whatever fires in frontof my face first, and Nick and I
(01:16):
actually do a few of the samethings, which is how we kind of
came together, and so I'm goingto throw him under the bus so he
can tell us all about how hebalances all of the seeds that
he has planted in his life,starting with whichever one he
feels like he wants to roll with.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, yeah, I appreciate you bringing me on
here and Gia and I do have thatconnection and I kind of like
that motto is not a motto, butyou know, you don't know how you
do it.
You just kind of you know putout whatever fire comes in front
of you and I, you know, I wishI could say that I have some
master, you know skill to putthis all together and make it
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all happen.
But you know, I do agree withGia that you know you kind of
deal with what comes to you.
I think a big piece of this,and I think which pertains to
the podcast, is also like themindfulness piece of it.
And you know responding versusreacting.
You know those types of thingswhere it's you know being in a
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place where, like, you canreceive something and sort of
like have, like, absorb it andthen take a moment and then you
know be able to, you knowrespond accordingly versus just
this like crazy reaction piece.
And that's been a disciplinefor me and a lot of that is just
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bandwidth.
And you know I moved to a newarea.
You know being in real estate,you know really had to put
myself out there.
I had to say yes to everythingwhen I initially got here.
And you know there is somethingfreeing about being the yes man
and, just, you know, being theguy that anybody calls and says,
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hey, you want to go fishing,you want to go grab a drink at
the bar, do you want to go to ayoga class?
And and and being that guy.
And then you know, finally,like, like, have planted many,
many seeds and starting to cometo the other side of that, where
I can sort of pick and choosewhat I want to do.
And I would say I still like tobe the yes man.
(03:31):
But I've also realized that,like, there's a, you know, sort
of an exploration on what I cangive and then also prioritizing,
like who that I give it to cangive, and then also prioritizing
, like who that I give it to.
And you know I have threechildren, three, five and seven.
(03:52):
I have my wife.
You know I have my animals, Ihave my health and, and you know
, starting to, you know, be ableto sort of, you know, put an
order to those things.
I hate to say that, you knowthat's like it sounds like.
I have a list of.
You know, put an order to thosethings.
I hate to say that you knowthat's like it sounds like I
have a list of you knowpriorities, but, but I do.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You have to.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, and that's life at life.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's not just you.
You shouldn't feel bad about it.
You have to prioritize in yourlife and technically, even
though, like, your family comesfirst, your own health has to
come first, or you're not doingyour family any services either.
You know, that's just part ofit.
Like, not pouring from an emptycup is a huge thing, you know,
and with all of the things.
So, nick, much like myself,we're both in real estate, right
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, we're both certified yogainstructors, certified and
certifiable as I like to joke,certifiable as I like to joke.
And Nick also has an amazingmusic career and has brought,
and has, a whole first part ofhis life that was out in
Colorado, that effect that youknow kind of ties into your
whole musical career.
And now you've brought thatwhole piece of it and plunked it
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right down in our, in our nowhome state of New Jersey, in
addition to homesteading and allof the other things that you do
, including raise three adorablechildren and a beautiful wife.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, and that I mean that you know, and the health
thing is a big thing and youknow.
You know I don't know how muchyou should about your trip on it
, but you know I've definitelyin the last year have had a
little bit of intervention with,you know, my body and you know,
and my mental health and someyou know physical stuff that is
manifested through mental health, stuff I totally feel at my
(05:34):
core.
I mean, I have like a, you knowkind of like a gouty arthritis
type thing that has, like youknow, has been circulating
through my body and I've seen alot of specialists and doctors
and I can't, haven't been ableto seem to get it under control.
And then, you know, I found outabout this one doctor.
You know that healing, healingthe mind, healing the pain is
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kind of the motto and I've, youknow, been doing a lot of work
on that and and have had a lotof success with it.
And so that you know, I thinkmy I was sort of forced to slow
down.
I probably would have just keptgoing.
And then it was a little bit ofdivine intervention and it was
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like, yeah, you know, your bodyis telling you that you need to
sort of shift your priorities onthat.
And you know I was doing foodstuff, no alcohol.
You know lots of differentthings that you know what you
would assume would probably getit done.
And then it wasn't working and,and you know, lack of a better,
(06:35):
you know, visual, I was sick inthe head and and you know, so
I've, I've, you know, done a lotof work on that and and, and
I'm still doing a lot of that.
I do've, you know, done a lotof work on that and I'm still
doing a lot of that.
I do the.
You know the Vedic meditation.
You know, once or twice a day Itry to sit for, you know, 20
minutes with my mantra.
And you know like we're.
(07:00):
So we have so much noise in ourlives when it comes to work.
So we have so much noise in ourlives when it comes to work,
social media expectationseverybody has access to you at
every second.
You know it's like you get anemail and you don't respond in
15 minutes.
Everyone is like up in arms.
(07:20):
I even our text messages.
Unless you said it, it will sayread or not read.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Turn off read receipts.
Turn off.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
read receipts Read that text message, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I know you saw.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's totally like it's paralyzing, and you know
it's like you're so people areso worried about, like how
they're being received and howpeople think about them.
I mean it's like you're sopeople are so worried about,
like how they're being receivedand how people think about them.
I mean it's like the basis ofwhat drives social media and
things like that is likereceiving affirmation from you
know a highlight reel of thingsthat you put up and and you know
(07:57):
, with that's also a tool andyou know, not as much in real
estate for me, but like formusic and things like that.
So I am, you know, somewhat ofof sort of a slave to that.
And then you know, not as muchin real estate for me, but like
for music and things like that.
So I am, you know, somewhat ofof sort of a slave to that.
And then you know putting upboundaries has been, you know
has been, a discipline and apractice and and and, and you
know realizing like, like, allright, this doesn't serve me.
(08:20):
Yeah, maybe you know it wouldhelp me get gigs or it would
help me, you know, with my fanbase, but actually, like overall
, it's affecting me worse on mymental health and which is
causing physical stuff, which iscausing, you know, me to be
reactionary with my children andmy partner and and, like you
know, it's like this chainreaction and and so like the,
(08:43):
the, like you know, and I'vealways like had this dream of
like being just like a, like ayoga teacher, and like a really
corporate space and like doingmindfulness in in the, the, the
business sort of sphere, and Ithink that is like the most
important thing that you can dois is finding that balance, and
(09:03):
I really don't think it takeslike that much time.
I just think it takes like focusand intention.
And then execution and, and youknow, saying I'm not going to
respond to an email, likebetween these times, or like I'm
going to put my phone on Do notdisturb, at this time, I'm
going to have a limit here, youknow and then having things like
(09:24):
yoga, meditation, whatever, andmaking sure that you execute on
that as well no-transcriptthyroid issue.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But it comes from like it's an autoimmune response
which is not dissimilar toarthritis, um, and it comes from
like running yourself into theground because you, you know,
say yes to everything.
I took a step back from I wason three different boards.
I stopped one of those boardsentirely and took a step back
from that and you know, you justhave to start altering your
priorities and saying no.
(10:10):
And that can be really hard,especially when you're in sales
and you're in no matter which,no matter which aspect of the
life, of your life you'refocusing on, whether it's your
music, which is like yourpassion project, whether it's
your business, you know it's,it's all pouring out of you and
at some point you can't just bea seeping sponge.
There's not going to beanything left.
And your body?
I'm a firm believer, from justyears of yoga and spirituality,
(10:33):
that your body is a reflectionof your mind.
Right, healthy mind, healthybody.
So as you start to abuse yourbody to ends beyond yourself,
your body is going to let youknow.
It's like my mom always used tosay if you don't check yourself
, you know she said God,universe, whatever the universe
(10:54):
is going to check you, for you,something's going to come in and
stop you, whether you get a lotof people get sick, even if
it's a flu or a cold, and likethey'll run until they're just
run into the ground.
And so to that end, it's likewhat are those?
Where do you draw those lines?
And I think the biggest wordthat I've taken recently is
discipline, because it's it'sdiscipline with your health,
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with your diet, with your, withyour, your intake, your
consumption, whether that'ssocial media, you know, whatever
you're consuming, we are aspecies that consumes things.
So whatever it is that you'rebringing in, you have to be
disciplined enough and start torecognize, have the
self-awareness and then begin toimplement the changes that you
need to understand where you areand how you can best move
(11:37):
forward to support yourself,your family, your health, your
business, all of those things.
And you have to like disciplineand priorities are the two most
important things to, in my mind,to make that happen in a
functional way, to preserve yourwell-being, so that, and to set
an example for your kids, right, and so I just wanted, I just
(11:58):
wanted right, like I feel likethat's just like the, the
formula kind of it has to, andmaybe you need to run into the
ground to realize it, whenyou're the type of person that
hustles right, when, when you'reused to that and and you know,
not for nothing, but as we age,like we're both, we're similar
in age I won't say the number,we're not too far off from each
other and, and there's aspecific number there was a
(12:18):
whole movie called, called thisis you know what?
And and around that age, I feellike you start to have to
implement balance, or balance isgoing to implement you one way
or the other.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I totally felt that.
I mean, it was like as soon asI turned 40 this year, it was
like you know, it was like allof a sudden I was like I, it was
like you know, it was like allof a sudden, I was like I just
did not have the same gas that Idid.
You know like it felt like aweek before.
(12:49):
It was like you know so manypeople you know I've learned now
is that you kind of like age,age, age you know 31, you and I
do is like you know you have toput yourself out there and you
know what's cool about what wedo is it enables us to be
involved in a lot of differentthings.
For you, you know the horseworld, land, you know.
(13:20):
You know yoga.
For me, you know similar music,land farming, you know, know
all these different things.
But like you know it's you haveto like be focused and you have
to.
You know you can't just throwlike this crazy wide net
everywhere and just expect thatit's gonna just happen.
Like you know, you've got tosort of.
You know, for me, I moved hereand so I had to throw a wide net
and now I've seen the thingsthat have the seeds that have
taken and you know.
So, like I'm starting to, youknow, harness those and focus on
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those.
But even within those, you knowdifferent avenues, I still need
to prioritize there and set upboundaries and and set up goals
and then execute within thatversus.
You know, I've always kind ofrun with like a chicken with his
head cut off and and you know,things have seemed to come
together for me.
(14:03):
But like now, like with this,you know age, or you know with
three children or with you knowthe priorities, with my
bandwidth seeming to have sortof, you know, shrunk, you know I
have to focus and I have to bedisciplined and I have to, you
(14:24):
know, make a plan and you know,beyond that is all this, the
supplemental, you know thingsjust maintenance things, which
is like the eating healthy,sleeping, going to bed on time,
yoga, meditation, gettingoutside and walking, and so
there's like these two pieces,there's like this just overall,
and this is like a like, anevolution, like you know,
(14:46):
someday, like when you're young,it's like you only need so much
sleep and you only need acouple yoga classes and it's,
you know, you need a lot morealcohol to get drunk.
You know there's all, and soyou're constantly like going
through these stages and havingto sort of, you know, evolve
with your needs, and so you know, having the discipline of being
present and the mindfulnesspiece is like vital as you
(15:09):
change.
And then you say, okay, theseare now my maintenance things
that just keep me ticking, keepme alive, and then these are the
things that I'm going to focuson business wise.
Those are things I'm going tofocus on like, like fun, you
know, for me wise, and you know,and then hey, they cross over
here, great.
But, like you know, having themaintenance, the things that
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serve you as sort of fun andfreedom, and then the business
things, it's like it's adelicate balance and it
constantly needs tweaking andtuning and and that's the thing
that is like is really a dance,you know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Absolutely.
And you know, I think that theway that you said, when you
talked about your bandwidth andyou said it shrunk, I don't
think it shrunk, I think you hitcapacity.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, do you know what I mean, because if you
think about your bandwidth andyou said it shrunk.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I don't think it shrunk.
I think you hit capacity.
Yeah, Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I mean Because, if you, think about literal
bandwidth.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
what it is is, at a certain point, when you fill it
up, like it, it craps out on you.
That's all it's got, and I so Idon't think for either, for
anyone, I don't think it shrinks.
And then at a certain point,it's like your brain starts and
I've said this to people like mybrain starts to just lose
things, because your brainprioritizes what's most
important, and so things willliterally start to fall out of
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your awareness, fall out of your.
You know your kind of 180degree angle of focus out in
front of you and it's back therein the 360 degree part, and
it's just not in your awareness,out in front.
And when that happens, that'show we start to kind of lose the
grip on.
You know, potentially yourbusiness or potentially you know
something starts to fall by thewayside, and that's when it's
(16:46):
not like a trunk.
It's just that okay.
I need to start to bring whatI'm focusing on into more
deliberate practice, moredeliberate, more deliberate
choice.
I can't do everything.
I realized that I can't doeverything well, I can do
everything badly, or I can dothese amounts of things well.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So you start trimming the fat, exactly yeah, and I do
think that you hit the max andthen it's full and then you're
like, okay, now this needs to goout, this needs to go out, this
needs to go out Because, likeyou said, the 180 degrees that
you're not seeing anymore isactually stuff that you
prioritize and you're droppingthe ball on it and you got to
let it go.
And, like I know, everybody hasthe inner monologue, like we all
(17:28):
do, like you know, it's justlike it's like giving yourself
like a little bit of grace andsome slack and be like dude not
everybody.
Like there's like I neverwatched tv, but I actually like
watch this show with my wife andand it there was like about
this therapist and they weretalking about the inner
monologue and and and like hewas like man, I just, you know,
(17:50):
I just I can't face him, I can'ttalk to my dad or wife or
whatever it was, and and he'slike, just visualize the worst
possible scenario right now.
Like close your eyes and thinkabout what is the worst possible
thing that could happen.
And then he, like you know, andthen he's like, could you get
through that?
And he's like, yeah, and he'slike do you think that's
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actually what's going to happen?
And he's like no, and so he waslike it already like processed
this intensity that, like he wassort of like projecting was
going to happen, without evenlike like experiencing what that
actually felt like.
And then, and, and then, andthen he experienced it and he's
like, oh yeah, that actuallywasn't that bad.
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And then he goes and has thisscenario and the scenario, like
is nothing and it's, there's noissue with it, and you've spent
all this time like just blowingsomething up in your brain that
hasn't even happened yet.
It's like it's crazy and I knowwe all do it and it's something
that I have like, like you know,really, really had to work on
(18:57):
and that's because I'm a peoplepleaser and, like you know, like
in our business, you've got tosuck it up a little bit and you
know, a lot of health stuff youknow goes towards those types of
people and you got to know likenobody's gonna like be upset
with you for having boundariesand putting, you know, your
priorities first, and if they do, then you don't want them in
(19:19):
that, you know, in yourbandwidth anymore and that's
because they probably have theirown personal problems.
And when you think about how youwould respond, you would be
like, wow, I would be sograteful that they were, you
know, honest and vulnerable andsaying, hey, you know what, like
I can't make this this, I'vegot some personal things going
on, or like you know I you know,I just I'm making shifts, I
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don't want to be drinking allthe time or, like you know, the
music thing serves me on thiscapacity, but it doesn't serve
me being away from my family.
So, like I'm, like right now,I'm going to take more steps
with this and, like you know,our ego is who's always, like
you know, know roaring its headat us to just be like dude, it's
like you know, the greatest way, the strongest person that you
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can be, you know, is someonethat listens to themselves and
like, truly figures out whatthey need to be the best person
that they can, and that isbetween you and your spirit.
It doesn't, it has nothing todo with what the other kids'
parents think, or you know, orit's, it's like it's you, and
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that's why the like, mindfulnessand, and you know, the
introspection and the quiet andall those things are like so
vital right now as asmaintenance things, just to you
know, to you know to do thatkind of thing and and you know,
I love, I love that you saidthat for a couple reasons.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
So one it's always like when we all do that right,
we always go to the dark place,right, and like, our mind plays
out these like scenarios and Ithink it's like I've said this
before, I'm pretty sure it'sself-preservation from like some
sort of like archaeological darDarwinian.
You know, don't let thepotential saber tooth tiger come
out of the bushes from overthere and attack us and murder
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us.
It's like it comes from that.
It's like a limbic system typeof brain response and I know
that everybody does it.
But when you start to elevateyour consciousness and you start
to elevate, you meditate andyou do all these practices, you
practice yoga, you practicestilling the mind, and you
realize that that is part ofthat.
Like quote unquote, monkey mindchatter, right, like that, that
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amount of energy that you expendputting towards that worry,
because the worry is essentiallythe prayer for what you don't
want to happen.
Right, it has not exist, it hasnot happened, it may never
happen.
Nine times out of 10, itdoesn't happen the way that you
project it to happen.
And now all of this bandwidththat you could be using to write
a song to read your kid abedtime story, right to take
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your wife out on a date to youknow, close that deal to
whatever it is.
All that bandwidth has now gonecompletely out the window,
creating a potential that youdon't even want to happen, and
it's like it isn't going to evenhappen right.
Right, but if you think about it, it's got a better chance of
happening than if you didn't.
(22:06):
Right, like if you're talkingabout what did happen.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You allowed it to happen because it just you just
focused on it.
And that's as bad as itactually happening in the
physical world.
And I totally agree.
I mean the amount of times I'velooked at my, I've been looking
at my phone like doing somework thing, and then my kid
(22:33):
asked me something.
And I'm super short with him,you know, and because like I'm
somewhere else and like all mykids, just like yo dude.
I just wanted to see if youwould like, you know, feed me
some, you know whatever, yeah,and like, make me a snack.
And it's like you just likeit's it's really bad and I have,
like had come a long way toreally try to shift that.
And I feel like I'm, you know,on a much, much, much better
path.
And you know it's, it's, it'severy day.
(22:55):
It's like, get up in themorning, do my med first thing
in the morning, you know, like,like, like talk to my therapist,
like you know, like there'sjust like it's just so important
that, like you're able to likereceive things and not just like
instantly react, like you justyou have to receive and you have
to just take a breath anddiffuse it, dilute it, and then,
(23:20):
and then, you know, gather yourcomposure and then say, okay,
yeah, this is, this is, you knowhow I'm going to react.
And then, eventually, I thinkyou train yourself, you know,
with a lot of practice, to nothave those initial responses.
And I'm still in the placewhere I'm like I'm responding,
but I'm keeping it inside andI'm noticing it and I'm like,
(23:41):
okay, noticed, you know, noted,and then I'm like, all right,
shift.
And you know I'm hoping, afteryou know enough time that I'll
be able to retrain to be likeyou know more of in this.
You know space and I laughbecause like my father-in-law,
he's like you know Vietnam, thatyou know worked for, flew for
Ronald Reagan, he flew.
(24:01):
John Denver, the Grateful Dead,like you know crazy, grew up
poor and, you know, is big timein the aviation industry and I'm
like he's reached like fullenlightenment because like he
doesn't like, like he justresponds, like he doesn't think
about it, like he just comes outand, and you know, if he speaks
(24:22):
from his heart, always andsometimes you're like dude, that
was so out of control, buthe'll just own it and he'll just
move right through it and it'slike you know, but he trusts his
gut and his response so muchthat he's able to just like,
just you know, be free with itand not have this crazy mind
thing associated with it.
And if it comes out the waythat he doesn't, that it
(24:43):
shouldn't have, he just is likeI screwed up, I'm owning it and
he like moves through it andit's like it's you know.
I mean I don't want to be soreactionary, but I also look at
him like wow, like you're,you're free, you know, like
you're totally free and it's,it's.
You know, it's a pretty coolthing to witness well.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And so I feel like you're talking about, like, the
flow state, and I've seen youplay music and I I will say that
I believe that when you Iactually haven't taken one of
your yoga classes, but when Isee you play music, I believe
that that is a spot for youwhere you, you've become in tune
with your flow state.
And I think that you know right,if we're talking about
enlightenment, we're talkingabout, you know like and I've
(25:24):
used the optics of the monk thatset himself on fire in protest
right, and the amount ofdiscipline, the amount of
meditation that man had to gothrough to be able to be out of
his body, so much so that itcould be on fire and he could
sit peacefully is that's a state, right, that is a complete and
utter state that most humanbeings, that is a complete and
(25:50):
utter state that most humanbeings, I would dare say, may
not attain in this lifetime.
And so, if we're working onmeditation and getting into a
place where we are, the firststep is to acknowledge it, the
next step is to release it andthen to begin to retrain it.
But when you said I want to getto this point where I don't
(26:14):
even have that reactive I mean.
I feel like that, like giveyourself some grace there,
because I feel like that, thatspace, we are still human we are
going to have an emotionalreaction.
It is that's normal and natural.
Even even your father in law,if it comes out wrong, that's
probably coming from a place ofan emotional reaction.
Maybe it's not, but there's apotential that it could be and I
think that you know you have.
That's where you have to giveyourself grace because you're
doing the actual disciplinedwork to move past that place
within yourself with, withdetermination, with knowledge,
(26:37):
with foresight, knowing thatthis is an issue that you are, I
don't want to say strugglingwith, but recognizing and
attempting to divert or refocus,redirect.
And that's the discipline andthat's the work.
And so if you are doing thatform of meditation and getting
yourself to a place where youknow you can not react, you may
react in your mind's eye, youmay have that emotional reaction
(26:59):
, but that's what we do, that'sour human nature is to react.
So the only thing we can do isnot let it affect how we respond
, which is and I feel like thatflow state the more you and I do
think that you definitely hitit when you play, but the more
that we are in that flow state.
And I've said this with anotherI don't know if you know Sandy
(27:21):
Roth, but I had her on and sheand I were talking all about
yoga and Reiki and we weretalking about how and I actually
made made an assessment betweenyoga and jazz and when I'm
teaching a yoga class and I getin that flow state, I don't
write my classes out, I don'tplan my classes, I just teach
them and I practice right, Ipractice postures and asanas,
(27:41):
but I don't, you know, I don'tpractice the flows all the way
through, because you may havesomebody walk in and you your
whole lesson plan goes right outthe window, and so you have to
be able to improvise and to livein that state of receptivity
from your higher self.
But whatever you want to call it, and I know that you do that
with your music I've seen theway that you play and I know
that all of that discipline andpractice comes into your
(28:02):
songwriting, your practicing,getting your band together right
, like there's an element of of,and that's what in my mind,
that's what the meditation isright, it's the, it's the
practicing, it's the, it's thedoing your own yoga, practicing
your own yoga, it's the you know.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Writing your own song , it's all part and parcel of
you know, some form of likemanifesting the life that's
going to work best for you, andin, not in in creating or
cultivating a nick that can makehis kid a sandwich without
snapping at him and you knowwhat I mean like being like in
dad flow, right, you're right, Itotally get there with music
(28:38):
and, like you know, like yousaid, I mean the building blocks
like practicing and songwritingand booking the gigs and doing
all that are all like the stepsthat I have to do to achieve
that flow state, like when I getto play a gig, you know, and
it's same with, like you know,eating healthy and meditation
and all those things like thoseare all like the building blocks
(28:59):
for what I need to do to sortof have that flow state when I'm
, you know, going through my dayto day operations and that's,
you know.
That comes back to what wetalked about is the discipline
piece and you know it's likewhen I drive, I'll be like
driving to your gig, I'll be,it'll happen on Thursday, it'll
be like 7.30 and I'll kiss mykids goodbye and I'll be driving
an hour to go play a Nyack gigand I'll be like what am I doing
(29:23):
?
Am I doing?
This is so dumb, like I'm sosad right now to be leaving and
then I'll be driving home atlike two in the morning.
I'm like this is the best life.
I would never have any of thisever.
And it's like you know, like I,I know that, like I know that,
like I know, once I get thereand once, like it all starts
coming together, it's you know,I'll have the guy a week before
(29:45):
I, two guys, cancel on a gig intwo weeks, two weeks ago.
You know what I mean.
And it's just like, and youknow I'll have the guy a week
before I, two guys, cancel on agig in two weeks, two weeks ago.
You know what I mean.
And it's just like, and I usedto just get like, oh, and now
I'm just like it doesn't matter,like it's all good, like I'm
going to go there and play andhave fun I don't care what
anybody thinks Like I know we'vegot a good product, but you
know what, like it serves me,like it serves me, like it makes
me happy, it's what makes mewhole.
(30:06):
And like if you get with it,that's great, awesome.
If you're not with it, likethat's, I'm not taking that on
anymore.
You know what I mean.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, no, you can't like, you can't, and that's and
you know.
You've touched on that a littlebit before when, when you were
saying, you know, havingallowing yourself the grace to
know that other people, if theywere as authentic in their
communication and theirself-awareness to represent
where they're coming from, whenthey have those emotional
reactions, let's face it, in ourjob with, with real estate,
less so maybe with yoga, butI've had some, you know, grumpy
(30:38):
yoga students as well.
When we are fielding clientsthat aren't getting their exact
way in the exact moment thatthey want to get their exact way
, we become a punching bag astheir agents, right, right, and
you know I've had yoga studentscomplain about the playlist.
Like, all right, well, if youdon't like, maybe I'm not the
best yoga teacher for youbecause I like Pearl Jam I might
play Pearl Jam during a yogaclass.
(30:59):
If you're not into it, that'sokay, you don't need to be, but
don't yell at me.
Just choose a different teacherand be grateful that you've now
eliminated Pearl Jam from youryogic experience.
Right, like, you have to remainauthentic to who you are and and
that is that is how you findyour tribe, that's how you
create your tribe, that's howyou, you know your clients align
(31:22):
with you.
That's how you're.
The people that listen to yourmusic align with you.
The people that come to youryoga class.
You know that's the more in theflow state you are.
I believe this to be true.
The more that you are going toattract what is meant for you to
you, and the more you honoryourself, the more authentic the
attraction is going to be andthe better it's going to become.
(31:43):
I hope that that's the case.
I believe that's the case, andthe more you come from that
place of like, grinding rightand like and not that there's
not an element that needs to be,but that that like wearing you
down at a certain point, likethat's not authentic.
You can't be worn down and livein authenticity right, because
(32:03):
you're not being true toyourself at that point.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
you're just, you're just in you're, you're on the
ground right, and that authenticpiece is something I fight with
so much because of like I'mlike a this country bluegrass
rock star.
But then it's like, well, thatguy's selling multi-million
dollar houses what a fraud.
You know what I mean.
And it's like, well, you knowwhat I'm doing, I'm taking care
(32:26):
of my family and like I'mserving my clients and I'm
serving my people and you know,like it's, it's like you have
again, it's like you go throughall this and it's like like I
had these conversations where,like you just made this face,
like what are you even talkingabout?
You know, and like that's theresponse.
People are like dude, likeyou're crushing it, like you're
(32:46):
doing something.
You serve so many communities,you know, on like a really,
really high level and you know,but your vision of yourself is
that like dude, like you needhelp.
And that's like, kind of whereI was, it was like like I, like
I was like it's not seeingmyself in this light.
And you know, I had this reallypotent experience.
(33:07):
There was this party, you know,a couple of weeks ago and you
know, like a month before that,like I've had some issues with
moving from Colorado because Iwas so successful there and we
just bailed and we totallydidn't plan and we just never
been good at planning.
And I was looking at my wife,you know, like a couple of weeks
before this party and we weregoing to go on this Italy trip
(33:28):
and I was, my health was haggardand I was just like I don't
want to go to this party, Idon't want to go to Italy.
I just I, I'm, I'm like I am, Ihave no friends.
I totally don't feel like Ihave like the type of people
that I did in Colorado and andI'm, you know, this is not where
we're supposed to be.
And then it was like, and thenwe like went to the party and it
(33:50):
was like I had like four orfive people come up to me and
they were just like I love you,like I love you so much, like
and just like hugging me andlike you know, like whatever you
need, like you want to hang out, you want to go fishing, no
drinking, like you know, likeanything I can do, like I'm and
I was.
I asked my wife I'm like, areyou, did you tell people that I
like needed this?
(34:11):
And she's like absolutely not.
And it was like all thesepeople just like knew that I
needed that.
And then I saw my buddy'sparents, who were like you know.
They were outside and they'vebeen married for like 50 years
and and you know they were kindof kissing waiting for their
uber, like so precious, and Irun up, I'm like you know, they
were kind of kissing waiting fortheir Uber, like so precious,
and I run up, I'm like you know,break it up and I'm flying,
(34:32):
feeling super good, and she'slike she goes, nick, like you
know, and I was with them forEaster of like a month before
that, and playing my guitar, thekids were playing and she's
like Nick, I just want to saylike, like you are so special.
And I was like, and herhusband's like Nick, I just want
to say like like you are sospecial.
(34:52):
And I was like, and herhusband's like yeah, yeah, he's
family.
And she's like no, I don't meanthat Like, I mean like you are
something really, really, reallyspecial.
And she's like that was likethe best Easter that we've ever
had.
And she's like you just satthere and you just, it was just
you, like you were just playingyour guitar and you're talking
to everybody and then you'd helpwith the kids and she's like
you just like brought this, likeenergy and this, this like set
(35:15):
this tone that was just likeinfectious to be around.
And she's like it was someaningful, like I just want you
to know, like you really,really, really touch us, like
we're so grateful you're here.
And then she just looks at meand she's like you're gonna be
okay.
And I'm like, are you like inmy mind and like Kat, you know,
(35:35):
did like everybody plan this out.
You know like and like.
She's like.
She's like like you know, likeit's gonna be okay.
And she's like but you have tochoose it.
And she's like but you have tochoose it.
And she's like you have to wakeup every morning and you have
to choose your wife and you haveto choose your kids, you have
to choose your job.
And she's like some days, ifyou don't want to, but she's
(35:57):
like I'm telling you like if youdon't, it's going to be a long,
tough road.
And she's like but if youchoose this life and I'm telling
you it is going to be it is themost beautiful life, like I see
it right in front of you, likeit is right there.
And she's like, if you justchoose it, like you'll be here
in 50 years with your partner,you know, at your friends, your
kids party, hanging out with alltheir friends, and you know,
(36:20):
and it will be a beautiful,beautiful life.
And it was like I was just likecrying.
I mean, I was crying, you know,like just tearing up, and I
remember, and then her husbandgoes all right, honey, the
uber's here, let's go.
They cruise out of there.
And I'm like like in tears, youknow, and I just like throw my
sunglasses on.
(36:41):
I'm, you know, lit lit up.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm good, I'm good roll.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I'm good, Roll back into the party Just like I
choose it, I'm good, I'm good,I've been healed, you know, and
it was like so deep.
But like I've said that to acouple other people who are,
like you know, older and likeknow what's up and feel like it
and they're like that idea ofchoosing something is so potent,
you know what I mean Like it'slike it's crazy when it's simple
(37:07):
, but it's like you know youdon't do it.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
You're like no, I hate my job.
Oh, I don't want to get up.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh, I gotta meditate again.
Oh, I gotta eat salad again,you know, and all of a sudden
you're like dude.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I choose you salad, like it's, it's real no, I mean
yeah, it's the struggle tochoose.
That is real for sure, oh mygosh.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, so that was my existential crisis, averted with
you know just some warm embrace, you know, and it's a little
bit of a little bit of guidance.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well, I mean'm being honestly like, being surrounded
by love.
Let's just like, call it whatit is.
I mean, no one lives in avacuum.
And you know, did you ever?
I don't don't.
I'm not like a research typeperson.
You know me, I'm not super intolike the, the scientific deep
dives, but you do you rememberthe study about the rats and the
and the?
I think I want to say it washeroin, it was like some sort of
(38:09):
hard drug, and they put rats,isolated rats, in with water.
One of the bottles of water hada hard drug in it cocaine or
heroin.
It was a bad one.
And the other rats had regularwater and basically what they
found was the rats that wereisolated and had access to the
drug water killed themselvesvery, very quickly.
(38:29):
Then they realized during theexperiment that they didn't
provide the rats with any otherrats or anything to do, and they
then gave them like ratparadises with all of these toys
and other rats, and none of therats went for oh, wow, or the
drugged water in any capacity.
And so it's really about know,and we as human beings are
(38:52):
social creatures and we need tohave a network.
And you know there are timeswhen you need your alone time,
you need your meditation, youneed your isolation, in small
doses, and you need to be ableto be alone with yourself, like
that's obviously a massive partof the puzzle, a massive part of
the puzzle.
But if you are in a dark placeor you know your mental health
is suffering, if you're, youknow like, in any of those
(39:12):
places, you know the support ishuge family, friends, having a
community.
I mean, you started that.
That set that moment out withI'm not in the right place.
My friends are in Colorado, like, like, what did we do?
Right Like.
So, from that place of like, Idon't have support, I feel
unsupported, I don't have anetwork, I'm on an island or
(39:35):
whatever it might be for you.
And then in that moment, theuniverse gave you, like, even,
and you had to choose to go tothe party, right Like, you made
the choice because you didn'twant to go and you put yourself
out there.
And then the universe is like Igot you.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
We got you Right.
That was what was so crazy tome was for me to have those
feelings and then be like, wow,it's all right here and I just
don't see it.
And that's that was where thechoosing thing, you know, I mean
the universe gave it to me 100percent and then just having
that sort of mindset of choosingit, it's like wow, like I went
(40:10):
from being like I nobody lovesme and it's all fake and to like
I have never felt so loved inmy life and it was like get it
to you, dude, you need to see atherapist.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, but I mean like it's beautiful and you know, I
love that.
That happened for you and Ithink we all, we all get that.
Hopefully, hopefully, everyonegets that feeling of being loved
and supported, because I thinkthat if you, if you have that,
if you have that, you feel likea like superhuman right.
If you have that, whatever thesafety net looks like right,
(40:46):
like it's your parents whenyou're little right Like, like
someone's there to catch you ifyou fall.
And having that kind of security, whether it's your parents,
whether it's your wife, whetherit's your friends, whoever it
becomes as you evolve and grow,you know it gives you the
confidence, it gives you thebelief in yourself, you know the
confirmation to go out thereand choose those things, because
(41:09):
otherwise, you know you can,you can spiral yourself right
out of your best choice.
Right Like that's what theworry, that's what that fear
that you know that that limbicsystem brain, that that monkey
mind, whatever you want to callit it can, it can just spin you
right out of, right away from,like had you not gone to that
party, to that party?
Right like what if you didn'tgo to the party?
Right, sliding doors movie.
(41:30):
Like what if nick didn't go tothe party and then nick decided
that he was going to move backto colorado?
and like you know what I meanlike, totally like like just
that one little kind of you know, that one choice, that one move
and and to get you out of thatspiral that you were in.
That maybe wasn't even true, Imean it was true for you in the
(41:51):
moment right.
But you felt it was, and one ofthe biggest things is the
emotions right.
So you were living in theemotion of that overwhelm, upset
, fear, loneliness, whatever itwas, maybe all of the above or
none, and you stepped out of itand out into the world around
you and the world around yousaid no, we've got your back,
(42:13):
we've got you.
You're good, we love you, wesupport you.
You're awesome.
Look at you.
Look at all this awesome,amazing stuff you do.
You are authentic, and justbecause you're a honky tonk
rockstar doesn't mean that youcan't sell a bad hundred acre
farm right, like yeah, you knowwhat I mean like less of a
person.
It makes you.
It makes you more of a badass.
(42:33):
How many other rock stars cansell real estate?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
no right no, no, I mean, I know and it's, it's.
People can say it, so the cowscome home.
But until you see it yourself,you know that's and you have to
just allow that and you have toreceive it, and you have to hear
it and you know, and it's.
You know, people like like mywife, like I tell her she's
awesome and like she's amazingacupuncturist, I'm always like
(42:59):
how was it?
how did your clients?
Were they stoked and you know,did you get any feedback?
And she's just like I don'tneed it.
Like you do, dude, you knowshe's like I'm good, like I know
I'm good, I don't need it.
Like you do, dude, you knowshe's like I'm good, like I know
I'm good, like I don't need it.
And she's like but your lovelanguage is like you know, you
want, you know, reassurement andfeedback.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Words of affirmation yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Words of affirmation and and you know we've gone
through issues together because,like I'm like begging for it
and she's like stop it.
You know what I mean.
And I was like can we like sortof meet in the middle with us?
And you know it's important toknow, you know what you need and
to ask for it and like feelcomfortable, to be like.
(43:43):
You know this is I'm not beingselfish, this is kind of what I
need right now and I think Iasked the universe for it and I,
you know, and it gave it to melike and I like I finally like
vocalized it, like I just likesat in the bed with my wife and
I was like life sucks for meright now, like I'm so unhappy,
like and I know that I shouldn'tbe like I know it, I know it's
(44:04):
beautiful, like I can see allthese things, but like inside I
am like dead, you know, and andand I was like I know it, I know
it's beautiful, like I can seeall these things, but like
inside I am like dead, you know,and and and I was like I don't
know what to do and like I just,you know, I'm eating healthy,
I'm not drinking, I'm doing alleverything that everybody's
telling me to do and I can'tlike get a hold of this, this
pain and all this stuff and andyou know, and it was like as
(44:25):
soon as I started like justowning it like and letting it
out there and writing it, know,and it was like as soon as I
started like just owning it likeand letting it out there and
writing it down, and it was likethere was like all of a sudden
it felt like the healing couldlike really begin and then all
of a sudden there was all thesepeople there that were like they
just knew, like on cue, like itwas.
It was pretty bizarre, you knowyeah, I mean it sounds.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It sounds kind of poignantly beautiful.
You know what I mean.
It was and and it's, you know.
Yeah, I mean it sounds.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
It sounds kind of poignantly beautiful.
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
mean it was and, and it's like you know, we talked a
little bit before about like theone 80, the one 80 versus the
three 60.
And it feels like maybe youwere putting your real and true
and authentic emotions in theback one 80 and that you brought
them out into the front andthen, like the universe is like
oh, okay, we've got you, like Ihad that experience like I had.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
There's so many people at the party that I knew
and I remember my wife and Iwere like the only people we had
sunglasses on, and it was likeyou know someone like came up to
me and they're like we need youto write the letter for the
lake club.
I was like glasses bye.
Like I saw my clients, theywere like I was dancing, they're
like.
He was like, yeah, you know,looking like he wanted to come
in and dance with us.
And then he just like steps onhis wife's foot and like smashes
(45:34):
her ankle and she's just likegives this look and I was like
glasses on later.
You know, like all these thingswere like normally I would have
been like engaged, are you okay?
Or you know, I was just likeyou know what.
No, like 80 goodbye and likenobody cared, nobody's like.
Oh, you didn't check on me whenmy husband stepped on my ankle
(45:57):
and you're outraging on thedance floor, like why would I
even think that that is evenlike appropriate, you know?
But that's just like like youare you.
Are you just people?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
pleasing, yeah, yeah, Well, of course, Like, like, oh
, I want, I want to help withthat, Like it's just and listen,
I like people pleasing is notalways great.
It certainly is not great forthe people, pleaser.
It can get you in a lot of badcircumstances.
But I do believe that it comesfrom a place of inherent
kindness, Agreed, and I don'tthink that that's a bad way to
(46:30):
be.
I'd rather be inherently kindthan you know, be living in the
head of someone who's selfishand and shady and you know a
liar or manipulate you know whatI mean.
Like I'd rather be kind andharmed because of my kindness
than the, than the opposite.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I totally agree.
But and that's the part aboutlike knowing your limit, knowing
your bandwidth, you knowsetting boundaries, prioritizing
and then going and kind ofexecuting, and that you know
it's there's a word, sonder.
Do you know that word?
Um, it's like everybody is outthere having their own unique
(47:05):
experience.
Like that's Sonder.
Like you know, the peoplelistening to this right now are,
you know, having their ownthing, and the person you know
he says all the little memewhere it's like everyone's in
traffic and it's like this guy'slate to drop the kids off, this
guy just got fired.
You know, this guy's got a sickdog that's going to the vet.
This guy just had the best dayof his life.
This guy just had the best dayof his life.
(47:25):
Like you know, like there'sjust you know like we're all
just like on this plane havingour own unique experience.
And you know, like we don'tneed to like go into everybody's
mind and try to figure out what, how they're receiving every
single you know scenario that'sinvolved with you, you're going
to just, you're going to killyourself.
It's just like it's.
It's it's not fair, you know,and some people are more wired
(47:49):
to to do that and I think, likeyou said, the intention
inherently is good, but likethere's a point where it's like
okay, you know, this is, youknow, this is too much yeah, it
can become.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
It can become unhealthy, just like anything
like that, and that's where thediscipline comes in right.
It's like any, even thehealthiest thing for you.
Like you can, you can.
You can drink too much water anddie from it right, but you have
to drink a whole lot of water,right like it, like and I don't
want to say everything inmoderation, because it's trite,
but it's true, but it's trite,but it's like everything has the
(48:23):
potential to be harmful if you,if, if you overdo it, right
like it.
Just even the best things likeif you sit in meditation all day
, every day and I know people, Imean people do that right sages
, right like enlightenedenlightened people can do that.
But there's an element of youknow, at a certain point you
need to nourish your body aswell and that's where it comes
(48:44):
to like the balance.
Fine, and everyone's balance isgonna be different.
There's no cookie cutter.
Hey, listen, you have tomeditate for this long every day
and you have to do yoga forthis long every day, and you
have, I mean, like your drivers.
Even discipline in and ofitself has to have some balance,
because you have to be able,you know one day, to say like
you know what, maybe maybe thisday my son wants to go play
(49:05):
catch, and then that's when I'mmeditating, but that's when he
can play catch, and it's okaythat on this random Sunday I'm
going to do that instead ofmeditate.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
That could be my meditation Right so nobody's
judging you right, except foryou, right, except for you.
You're the one.
It's probably better that yougo play with your kids, so let's
think about it, you know.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, let's think about it.
You know, yeah, yeah, and I,you know, I think that there's,
there is, there is no perfect.
The only thing that mattersmore than anything is the
self-awareness to be able torecognize and then implement so
that you can, like, be betterthan you were yesterday.
I feel like, I feel like that's, that's the end game, that's if
we can, if we can get to an endgame of this conversation that
kind of didn't go in thedirection I thought it was going
(49:50):
to go.
But I love that for us becauseI think that it went where it
needed to go, and that's why Ilove doing this, because it's
just it's fun for me to just seehow the conversation flows and
get into that flow state.
Um, and whatever comes out iswhat was meant to come out.
Um, I'm gonna ask one finalquestion, because I have to,
because you're a yoga instructor.
What is your favorite yoga pose?
(50:12):
Well, we'll try to make some.
Throw some yoga in here at somepoint.
What was it?
What?
Speaker 3 (50:16):
do you?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
do you have a favorite yoga?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
yeah, I mean child's pose is like yeah like you know
my go-to.
I mean you know I, I always like, when I was doing my yoga
training too, I like was rightwhen I had my baby, so like I
always loved happy baby, likeI'd always call it happy hanky
and I would just, you know, andlike he would do that too and we
(50:40):
would just lie on our back andyou know.
But you know, I mean I am likeI do kind of the old school yoga
.
You know my sun salutations andyou know I I don't get too
intricate on the postures but Ilove that grounding feel of like
you know the the, you know justchild's pose, when it's like
(51:01):
you know you just the class ispopping and you're just like.
You know what I just need tolike take a minute.
Yeah, just like my third eyejust on my mat and then you know
.
But I also like love, the youknow playfulness of happy baby.
It's like usually at the end ofa class, you know, after a
couple of backbends, when you'reon your back and you're
finishing up doing your finalthing and I just have this
(51:24):
really good memory of happyhanky.
Every time I'm on my back Ithink about you know my kids and
it's a nice way to enterShavasana.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's how I enter Shavasana pretty much every time
, private clients or otherwise.
Yeah, it's always end with ahappy baby because it's just it
feels good, man, you know itjust feels good and it's great
for your.
You know it's great for your.
You know it's great for all thethings, um, but I love that you
mentioned like the grounding ofyour third eye, because I feel
like your favorite yoga pose isexactly what we just had an
(51:56):
entire conversation about.
Like our whole conversation wasabout like self-awareness and
hitting that point and justdropping in and realizing and I
feel like that that particularyoga pose is a metaphor for
everything that we just talkedabout and I love that.
A lot of tracks, right, ittotally tracks, it's totally
tracks.
See flow state.
Right now it's happening.
(52:17):
This is it, this is what itlooks like, awesome.
Well, nick, is there anything Imean?
I would love to.
Would you mind dropping yourband's name so people can go
check you out?
Um, and I will happily tag youon instagram, but yeah, yeah,
nick dunbar, um the cowboy band.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
We go by nick dunbar and sad cowboy and then I play
in a bluegrass band called thelazy sky, but, um, everything is
under my name, nick dunbar.
You can go listen to my albumon spotify under Nick Dunbar and
follow me, nick W Dunbar andyou know, come out and see a
show and, uh, hopefully I'm inthe flow state.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
You are, you are, I believe that you are.
You know, like I said, we allhave the areas where we're.
We hit the flow state Like, andI feel like that's our natural,
our passion, whatever it is,and I feel like the more that
you integrate that into theother parts, it just turns into
one big happy flow stateEventually.
That's the goal right.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
On my way.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
We're all on our way, brother, we are all on our way,
so I just want to thank you somuch for for spending this time
with me today, and let everyoneelse that is listening know that
I appreciate each and every oneof you for sharing this space
with me, and so I ask that youplease feel free to share the
same with your loved ones.
For more goodness, follow me onall the socials at Above the
(53:34):
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Again, my name is Gia RaquelRose, hanging out with Nick
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(53:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Namaste and welcome to the Divas that Care Network.
I am your host, gia Raquel Rose, owner of Heirs Above Yoga, and
you are listening to Above theGround podcast.
If this is your first time.
Tuning in our network is goinginto its 15th year and is
listened to in over 30 countries.
I would like to personallythank you for giving me the gift
of your time.
It is always my honor to holdspace with you, and today we
(00:56):
have an amazing guest with us,mr Nick Dunbar.
He is a man that I can say isconsistently busier than me,
which is kind of hard to do,because I get that a lot from
everyone Like, hey, how do youdo all the things?
And I'm kind of like I don'treally know, I just do them and
put out whatever fires in frontof my face first, and Nick and I
(01:16):
actually do a few of the samethings, which is how we kind of
came together, and so I'm goingto throw him under the bus so he
can tell us all about how hebalances all of the seeds that
he has planted in his life,starting with whichever one he
feels like he wants to roll with.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, yeah, I appreciate you bringing me on
here and Gia and I do have thatconnection and I kind of like
that motto is not a motto, butyou know, you don't know how you
do it.
You just kind of you know putout whatever fire comes in front
of you and I, you know, I wishI could say that I have some
master, you know skill to putthis all together and make it
(01:57):
all happen.
But you know, I do agree withGia that you know you kind of
deal with what comes to you.
I think a big piece of this,and I think which pertains to
the podcast, is also like themindfulness piece of it.
And you know responding versusreacting.
You know those types of thingswhere it's you know being in a
(02:24):
place where, like, you canreceive something and sort of
like have, like, absorb it andthen take a moment and then you
know be able to, you knowrespond accordingly versus just
this like crazy reaction piece.
And that's been a disciplinefor me and a lot of that is just
(02:45):
bandwidth.
And you know I moved to a newarea.
You know being in real estate,you know really had to put
myself out there.
I had to say yes to everythingwhen I initially got here.
And you know there is somethingfreeing about being the yes man
and, just, you know, being theguy that anybody calls and says,
(03:09):
hey, you want to go fishing,you want to go grab a drink at
the bar, do you want to go to ayoga class?
And and and being that guy.
And then you know, finally,like, like, have planted many,
many seeds and starting to cometo the other side of that, where
I can sort of pick and choosewhat I want to do.
And I would say I still like tobe the yes man.
(03:31):
But I've also realized that,like, there's a, you know, sort
of an exploration on what I cangive and then also prioritizing,
like who that I give it to cangive, and then also prioritizing
, like who that I give it to.
And you know I have threechildren, three, five and seven.
(03:52):
I have my wife.
You know I have my animals, Ihave my health and, and you know
, starting to, you know, be ableto sort of, you know, put an
order to those things.
I hate to say that, you knowthat's like it sounds like.
I have a list of.
You know, put an order to thosethings.
I hate to say that you knowthat's like it sounds like I
have a list of you knowpriorities, but, but I do.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You have to.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, and that's life at life.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's not just you.
You shouldn't feel bad about it.
You have to prioritize in yourlife and technically, even
though, like, your family comesfirst, your own health has to
come first, or you're not doingyour family any services either.
You know, that's just part ofit.
Like, not pouring from an emptycup is a huge thing, you know,
and with all of the things.
So, nick, much like myself,we're both in real estate, right
(04:35):
, we're both certified yogainstructors, certified and
certifiable as I like to joke,certifiable as I like to joke.
And Nick also has an amazingmusic career and has brought,
and has, a whole first part ofhis life that was out in
Colorado, that effect that youknow kind of ties into your
whole musical career.
And now you've brought thatwhole piece of it and plunked it
(04:58):
right down in our, in our nowhome state of New Jersey, in
addition to homesteading and allof the other things that you do
, including raise three adorablechildren and a beautiful wife.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, and that I mean that you know, and the health
thing is a big thing and youknow.
You know I don't know how muchyou should about your trip on it
, but you know I've definitelyin the last year have had a
little bit of intervention with,you know, my body and you know,
and my mental health and someyou know physical stuff that is
manifested through mental health, stuff I totally feel at my
(05:34):
core.
I mean, I have like a, you knowkind of like a gouty arthritis
type thing that has, like youknow, has been circulating
through my body and I've seen alot of specialists and doctors
and I can't, haven't been ableto seem to get it under control.
And then, you know, I found outabout this one doctor.
You know that healing, healingthe mind, healing the pain is
(05:54):
kind of the motto and I've, youknow, been doing a lot of work
on that and and have had a lotof success with it.
And so that you know, I thinkmy I was sort of forced to slow
down.
I probably would have just keptgoing.
And then it was a little bit ofdivine intervention and it was
(06:15):
like, yeah, you know, your bodyis telling you that you need to
sort of shift your priorities onthat.
And you know I was doing foodstuff, no alcohol.
You know lots of differentthings that you know what you
would assume would probably getit done.
And then it wasn't working and,and you know, lack of a better,
(06:35):
you know, visual, I was sick inthe head and and you know, so
I've, I've, you know, done a lotof work on that and and, and
I'm still doing a lot of that.
I do've, you know, done a lotof work on that and I'm still
doing a lot of that.
I do the.
You know the Vedic meditation.
You know, once or twice a day Itry to sit for, you know, 20
minutes with my mantra.
And you know like we're.
(07:00):
So we have so much noise in ourlives when it comes to work.
So we have so much noise in ourlives when it comes to work,
social media expectationseverybody has access to you at
every second.
You know it's like you get anemail and you don't respond in
15 minutes.
Everyone is like up in arms.
(07:20):
I even our text messages.
Unless you said it, it will sayread or not read.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Turn off read receipts.
Turn off.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
read receipts Read that text message, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I know you saw.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's totally like it's paralyzing, and you know
it's like you're so people areso worried about, like how
they're being received and howpeople think about them.
I mean it's like you're sopeople are so worried about,
like how they're being receivedand how people think about them.
I mean it's like the basis ofwhat drives social media and
things like that is likereceiving affirmation from you
know a highlight reel of thingsthat you put up and and you know
(07:57):
, with that's also a tool andyou know, not as much in real
estate for me, but like formusic and things like that.
So I am, you know, somewhat ofof sort of a slave to that.
And then you know, not as muchin real estate for me, but like
for music and things like that.
So I am, you know, somewhat ofof sort of a slave to that.
And then you know putting upboundaries has been, you know
has been, a discipline and apractice and and and, and you
know realizing like, like, allright, this doesn't serve me.
(08:20):
Yeah, maybe you know it wouldhelp me get gigs or it would
help me, you know, with my fanbase, but actually, like overall
, it's affecting me worse on mymental health and which is
causing physical stuff, which iscausing, you know, me to be
reactionary with my children andmy partner and and, like you
know, it's like this chainreaction and and so like the,
(08:43):
the, like you know, and I'vealways like had this dream of
like being just like a, like ayoga teacher, and like a really
corporate space and like doingmindfulness in in the, the, the
business sort of sphere, and Ithink that is like the most
important thing that you can dois is finding that balance, and
(09:03):
I really don't think it takeslike that much time.
I just think it takes like focusand intention.
And then execution and, and youknow, saying I'm not going to
respond to an email, likebetween these times, or like I'm
going to put my phone on Do notdisturb, at this time, I'm
going to have a limit here, youknow and then having things like
(09:24):
yoga, meditation, whatever, andmaking sure that you execute on
that as well no-transcriptthyroid issue.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But it comes from like it's an autoimmune response
which is not dissimilar toarthritis, um, and it comes from
like running yourself into theground because you, you know,
say yes to everything.
I took a step back from I wason three different boards.
I stopped one of those boardsentirely and took a step back
from that and you know, you justhave to start altering your
priorities and saying no.
(10:10):
And that can be really hard,especially when you're in sales
and you're in no matter which,no matter which aspect of the
life, of your life you'refocusing on, whether it's your
music, which is like yourpassion project, whether it's
your business, you know it's,it's all pouring out of you and
at some point you can't just bea seeping sponge.
There's not going to beanything left.
And your body?
I'm a firm believer, from justyears of yoga and spirituality,
(10:33):
that your body is a reflectionof your mind.
Right, healthy mind, healthybody.
So as you start to abuse yourbody to ends beyond yourself,
your body is going to let youknow.
It's like my mom always used tosay if you don't check yourself
, you know she said God,universe, whatever the universe
(10:54):
is going to check you, for you,something's going to come in and
stop you, whether you get a lotof people get sick, even if
it's a flu or a cold, and likethey'll run until they're just
run into the ground.
And so to that end, it's likewhat are those?
Where do you draw those lines?
And I think the biggest wordthat I've taken recently is
discipline, because it's it'sdiscipline with your health,
(11:15):
with your diet, with your, withyour, your intake, your
consumption, whether that'ssocial media, you know, whatever
you're consuming, we are aspecies that consumes things.
So whatever it is that you'rebringing in, you have to be
disciplined enough and start torecognize, have the
self-awareness and then begin toimplement the changes that you
need to understand where you areand how you can best move
(11:37):
forward to support yourself,your family, your health, your
business, all of those things.
And you have to like disciplineand priorities are the two most
important things to, in my mind,to make that happen in a
functional way, to preserve yourwell-being, so that, and to set
an example for your kids, right, and so I just wanted, I just
(11:58):
wanted right, like I feel likethat's just like the, the
formula kind of it has to, andmaybe you need to run into the
ground to realize it, whenyou're the type of person that
hustles right, when, when you'reused to that and and you know,
not for nothing, but as we age,like we're both, we're similar
in age I won't say the number,we're not too far off from each
other and, and there's aspecific number there was a
(12:18):
whole movie called, called thisis you know what?
And and around that age, I feellike you start to have to
implement balance, or balance isgoing to implement you one way
or the other.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I totally felt that.
I mean, it was like as soon asI turned 40 this year, it was
like you know, it was like allof a sudden I was like I, it was
like you know, it was like allof a sudden, I was like I just
did not have the same gas that Idid.
You know like it felt like aweek before.
(12:49):
It was like you know so manypeople you know I've learned now
is that you kind of like age,age, age you know 31, you and I
do is like you know you have toput yourself out there and you
know what's cool about what wedo is it enables us to be
involved in a lot of differentthings.
For you, you know the horseworld, land, you know.
(13:20):
You know yoga.
For me, you know similar music,land farming, you know, know
all these different things.
But like you know it's you haveto like be focused and you have
to.
You know you can't just throwlike this crazy wide net
everywhere and just expect thatit's gonna just happen.
Like you know, you've got tosort of.
You know, for me, I moved hereand so I had to throw a wide net
and now I've seen the thingsthat have the seeds that have
taken and you know.
So, like I'm starting to, youknow, harness those and focus on
(13:43):
those.
But even within those, you knowdifferent avenues, I still need
to prioritize there and set upboundaries and and set up goals
and then execute within thatversus.
You know, I've always kind ofrun with like a chicken with his
head cut off and and you know,things have seemed to come
together for me.
(14:03):
But like now, like with this,you know age, or you know with
three children or with you knowthe priorities, with my
bandwidth seeming to have sortof, you know, shrunk, you know I
have to focus and I have to bedisciplined and I have to, you
(14:24):
know, make a plan and you know,beyond that is all this, the
supplemental, you know thingsjust maintenance things, which
is like the eating healthy,sleeping, going to bed on time,
yoga, meditation, gettingoutside and walking, and so
there's like these two pieces,there's like this just overall,
and this is like a like, anevolution, like you know,
(14:46):
someday, like when you're young,it's like you only need so much
sleep and you only need acouple yoga classes and it's,
you know, you need a lot morealcohol to get drunk.
You know there's all, and soyou're constantly like going
through these stages and havingto sort of, you know, evolve
with your needs, and so you know, having the discipline of being
present and the mindfulnesspiece is like vital as you
(15:09):
change.
And then you say, okay, theseare now my maintenance things
that just keep me ticking, keepme alive, and then these are the
things that I'm going to focuson business wise.
Those are things I'm going tofocus on like, like fun, you
know, for me wise, and you know,and then hey, they cross over
here, great.
But, like you know, having themaintenance, the things that
(15:32):
serve you as sort of fun andfreedom, and then the business
things, it's like it's adelicate balance and it
constantly needs tweaking andtuning and and that's the thing
that is like is really a dance,you know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Absolutely.
And you know, I think that theway that you said, when you
talked about your bandwidth andyou said it shrunk, I don't
think it shrunk, I think you hitcapacity.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, do you know what I mean, because if you
think about your bandwidth andyou said it shrunk.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I don't think it shrunk.
I think you hit capacity.
Yeah, Do you know what?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I mean Because, if you, think about literal
bandwidth.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
what it is is, at a certain point, when you fill it
up, like it, it craps out on you.
That's all it's got, and I so Idon't think for either, for
anyone, I don't think it shrinks.
And then at a certain point,it's like your brain starts and
I've said this to people like mybrain starts to just lose
things, because your brainprioritizes what's most
important, and so things willliterally start to fall out of
(16:22):
your awareness, fall out of your.
You know your kind of 180degree angle of focus out in
front of you and it's back therein the 360 degree part, and
it's just not in your awareness,out in front.
And when that happens, that'show we start to kind of lose the
grip on.
You know, potentially yourbusiness or potentially you know
something starts to fall by thewayside, and that's when it's
(16:46):
not like a trunk.
It's just that okay.
I need to start to bring whatI'm focusing on into more
deliberate practice, moredeliberate, more deliberate
choice.
I can't do everything.
I realized that I can't doeverything well, I can do
everything badly, or I can dothese amounts of things well.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So you start trimming the fat, exactly yeah, and I do
think that you hit the max andthen it's full and then you're
like, okay, now this needs to goout, this needs to go out, this
needs to go out Because, likeyou said, the 180 degrees that
you're not seeing anymore isactually stuff that you
prioritize and you're droppingthe ball on it and you got to
let it go.
And, like I know, everybody hasthe inner monologue, like we all
(17:28):
do, like you know, it's justlike it's like giving yourself
like a little bit of grace andsome slack and be like dude not
everybody.
Like there's like I neverwatched tv, but I actually like
watch this show with my wife andand it there was like about
this therapist and they weretalking about the inner
monologue and and and like hewas like man, I just, you know,
(17:50):
I just I can't face him, I can'ttalk to my dad or wife or
whatever it was, and and he'slike, just visualize the worst
possible scenario right now.
Like close your eyes and thinkabout what is the worst possible
thing that could happen.
And then he, like you know, andthen he's like, could you get
through that?
And he's like, yeah, and he'slike do you think that's
(18:12):
actually what's going to happen?
And he's like no, and so he waslike it already like processed
this intensity that, like he wassort of like projecting was
going to happen, without evenlike like experiencing what that
actually felt like.
And then, and, and then, andthen he experienced it and he's
like, oh yeah, that actuallywasn't that bad.
(18:34):
And then he goes and has thisscenario and the scenario, like
is nothing and it's, there's noissue with it, and you've spent
all this time like just blowingsomething up in your brain that
hasn't even happened yet.
It's like it's crazy and I knowwe all do it and it's something
that I have like, like you know,really, really had to work on
(18:57):
and that's because I'm a peoplepleaser and, like you know, like
in our business, you've got tosuck it up a little bit and you
know, a lot of health stuff youknow goes towards those types of
people and you got to know likenobody's gonna like be upset
with you for having boundariesand putting, you know, your
priorities first, and if they do, then you don't want them in
(19:19):
that, you know, in yourbandwidth anymore and that's
because they probably have theirown personal problems.
And when you think about how youwould respond, you would be
like, wow, I would be sograteful that they were, you
know, honest and vulnerable andsaying, hey, you know what, like
I can't make this this, I'vegot some personal things going
on, or like you know I you know,I just I'm making shifts, I
(19:40):
don't want to be drinking allthe time or, like you know, the
music thing serves me on thiscapacity, but it doesn't serve
me being away from my family.
So, like I'm, like right now,I'm going to take more steps
with this and, like you know,our ego is who's always, like
you know, know roaring its headat us to just be like dude, it's
like you know, the greatest way, the strongest person that you
(20:03):
can be, you know, is someonethat listens to themselves and
like, truly figures out whatthey need to be the best person
that they can, and that isbetween you and your spirit.
It doesn't, it has nothing todo with what the other kids'
parents think, or you know, orit's, it's like it's you, and
(20:24):
that's why the like, mindfulnessand, and you know, the
introspection and the quiet andall those things are like so
vital right now as asmaintenance things, just to you
know, to you know to do thatkind of thing and and you know,
I love, I love that you saidthat for a couple reasons.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
So one it's always like when we all do that right,
we always go to the dark place,right, and like, our mind plays
out these like scenarios and Ithink it's like I've said this
before, I'm pretty sure it'sself-preservation from like some
sort of like archaeological darDarwinian.
You know, don't let thepotential saber tooth tiger come
out of the bushes from overthere and attack us and murder
(21:04):
us.
It's like it comes from that.
It's like a limbic system typeof brain response and I know
that everybody does it.
But when you start to elevateyour consciousness and you start
to elevate, you meditate andyou do all these practices, you
practice yoga, you practicestilling the mind, and you
realize that that is part ofthat.
Like quote unquote, monkey mindchatter, right, like that, that
(21:25):
amount of energy that you expendputting towards that worry,
because the worry is essentiallythe prayer for what you don't
want to happen.
Right, it has not exist, it hasnot happened, it may never
happen.
Nine times out of 10, itdoesn't happen the way that you
project it to happen.
And now all of this bandwidththat you could be using to write
a song to read your kid abedtime story, right to take
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your wife out on a date to youknow, close that deal to
whatever it is.
All that bandwidth has now gonecompletely out the window,
creating a potential that youdon't even want to happen, and
it's like it isn't going to evenhappen right.
Right, but if you think about it, it's got a better chance of
happening than if you didn't.
(22:06):
Right, like if you're talkingabout what did happen.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You allowed it to happen because it just you just
focused on it.
And that's as bad as itactually happening in the
physical world.
And I totally agree.
I mean the amount of times I'velooked at my, I've been looking
at my phone like doing somework thing, and then my kid
(22:33):
asked me something.
And I'm super short with him,you know, and because like I'm
somewhere else and like all mykids, just like yo dude.
I just wanted to see if youwould like, you know, feed me
some, you know whatever, yeah,and like, make me a snack.
And it's like you just likeit's it's really bad and I have,
like had come a long way toreally try to shift that.
And I feel like I'm, you know,on a much, much, much better
path.
And you know it's, it's, it'severy day.
(22:55):
It's like, get up in themorning, do my med first thing
in the morning, you know, like,like, like talk to my therapist,
like you know, like there'sjust like it's just so important
that, like you're able to likereceive things and not just like
instantly react, like you justyou have to receive and you have
to just take a breath anddiffuse it, dilute it, and then,
(23:20):
and then, you know, gather yourcomposure and then say, okay,
yeah, this is, this is, you knowhow I'm going to react.
And then, eventually, I thinkyou train yourself, you know,
with a lot of practice, to nothave those initial responses.
And I'm still in the placewhere I'm like I'm responding,
but I'm keeping it inside andI'm noticing it and I'm like,
(23:41):
okay, noticed, you know, noted,and then I'm like, all right,
shift.
And you know I'm hoping, afteryou know enough time that I'll
be able to retrain to be likeyou know more of in this.
You know space and I laughbecause like my father-in-law,
he's like you know Vietnam, thatyou know worked for, flew for
Ronald Reagan, he flew.
(24:01):
John Denver, the Grateful Dead,like you know crazy, grew up
poor and, you know, is big timein the aviation industry and I'm
like he's reached like fullenlightenment because like he
doesn't like, like he justresponds, like he doesn't think
about it, like he just comes outand, and you know, if he speaks
(24:22):
from his heart, always andsometimes you're like dude, that
was so out of control, buthe'll just own it and he'll just
move right through it and it'slike you know, but he trusts his
gut and his response so muchthat he's able to just like,
just you know, be free with itand not have this crazy mind
thing associated with it.
And if it comes out the waythat he doesn't, that it
(24:43):
shouldn't have, he just is likeI screwed up, I'm owning it and
he like moves through it andit's like it's you know.
I mean I don't want to be soreactionary, but I also look at
him like wow, like you're,you're free, you know, like
you're totally free and it's,it's.
You know, it's a pretty coolthing to witness well.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And so I feel like you're talking about, like, the
flow state, and I've seen youplay music and I I will say that
I believe that when you Iactually haven't taken one of
your yoga classes, but when Isee you play music, I believe
that that is a spot for youwhere you, you've become in tune
with your flow state.
And I think that you know right,if we're talking about
enlightenment, we're talkingabout, you know like and I've
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used the optics of the monk thatset himself on fire in protest
right, and the amount ofdiscipline, the amount of
meditation that man had to gothrough to be able to be out of
his body, so much so that itcould be on fire and he could
sit peacefully is that's a state, right, that is a complete and
utter state that most humanbeings, that is a complete and
(25:50):
utter state that most humanbeings, I would dare say, may
not attain in this lifetime.
And so, if we're working onmeditation and getting into a
place where we are, the firststep is to acknowledge it, the
next step is to release it andthen to begin to retrain it.
But when you said I want to getto this point where I don't
(26:14):
even have that reactive I mean.
I feel like that, like giveyourself some grace there,
because I feel like that, thatspace, we are still human we are
going to have an emotionalreaction.
It is that's normal and natural.
Even even your father in law,if it comes out wrong, that's
probably coming from a place ofan emotional reaction.
Maybe it's not, but there's apotential that it could be and I
think that you know you have.
That's where you have to giveyourself grace because you're
doing the actual disciplinedwork to move past that place
within yourself with, withdetermination, with knowledge,
(26:37):
with foresight, knowing thatthis is an issue that you are, I
don't want to say strugglingwith, but recognizing and
attempting to divert or refocus,redirect.
And that's the discipline andthat's the work.
And so if you are doing thatform of meditation and getting
yourself to a place where youknow you can not react, you may
react in your mind's eye, youmay have that emotional reaction
(26:59):
, but that's what we do, that'sour human nature is to react.
So the only thing we can do isnot let it affect how we respond
, which is and I feel like thatflow state the more you and I do
think that you definitely hitit when you play, but the more
that we are in that flow state.
And I've said this with anotherI don't know if you know Sandy
(27:21):
Roth, but I had her on and sheand I were talking all about
yoga and Reiki and we weretalking about how and I actually
made made an assessment betweenyoga and jazz and when I'm
teaching a yoga class and I getin that flow state, I don't
write my classes out, I don'tplan my classes, I just teach
them and I practice right, Ipractice postures and asanas,
(27:41):
but I don't, you know, I don'tpractice the flows all the way
through, because you may havesomebody walk in and you your
whole lesson plan goes right outthe window, and so you have to
be able to improvise and to livein that state of receptivity
from your higher self.
But whatever you want to call it, and I know that you do that
with your music I've seen theway that you play and I know
that all of that discipline andpractice comes into your
(28:02):
songwriting, your practicing,getting your band together right
, like there's an element of of,and that's what in my mind,
that's what the meditation isright, it's the, it's the
practicing, it's the, it's thedoing your own yoga, practicing
your own yoga, it's the you know.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Writing your own song , it's all part and parcel of
you know, some form of likemanifesting the life that's
going to work best for you, andin, not in in creating or
cultivating a nick that can makehis kid a sandwich without
snapping at him and you knowwhat I mean like being like in
dad flow, right, you're right, Itotally get there with music
(28:38):
and, like you know, like yousaid, I mean the building blocks
like practicing and songwritingand booking the gigs and doing
all that are all like the stepsthat I have to do to achieve
that flow state, like when I getto play a gig, you know, and
it's same with, like you know,eating healthy and meditation
and all those things like thoseare all like the building blocks
(28:59):
for what I need to do to sortof have that flow state when I'm
, you know, going through my dayto day operations and that's,
you know.
That comes back to what wetalked about is the discipline
piece and you know it's likewhen I drive, I'll be like
driving to your gig, I'll be,it'll happen on Thursday, it'll
be like 7.30 and I'll kiss mykids goodbye and I'll be driving
an hour to go play a Nyack gigand I'll be like what am I doing
(29:23):
?
Am I doing?
This is so dumb, like I'm sosad right now to be leaving and
then I'll be driving home atlike two in the morning.
I'm like this is the best life.
I would never have any of thisever.
And it's like you know, like I,I know that, like I know that,
like I know, once I get thereand once, like it all starts
coming together, it's you know,I'll have the guy a week before
(29:45):
I, two guys, cancel on a gig intwo weeks, two weeks ago.
You know what I mean.
And it's just like, and youknow I'll have the guy a week
before I, two guys, cancel on agig in two weeks, two weeks ago.
You know what I mean.
And it's just like, and I usedto just get like, oh, and now
I'm just like it doesn't matter,like it's all good, like I'm
going to go there and play andhave fun I don't care what
anybody thinks Like I know we'vegot a good product, but you
know what, like it serves me,like it serves me, like it makes
me happy, it's what makes mewhole.
(30:06):
And like if you get with it,that's great, awesome.
If you're not with it, likethat's, I'm not taking that on
anymore.
You know what I mean.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, no, you can't like, you can't, and that's and
you know.
You've touched on that a littlebit before when, when you were
saying, you know, havingallowing yourself the grace to
know that other people, if theywere as authentic in their
communication and theirself-awareness to represent
where they're coming from, whenthey have those emotional
reactions, let's face it, in ourjob with, with real estate,
less so maybe with yoga, butI've had some, you know, grumpy
(30:38):
yoga students as well.
When we are fielding clientsthat aren't getting their exact
way in the exact moment thatthey want to get their exact way
, we become a punching bag astheir agents, right, right, and
you know I've had yoga studentscomplain about the playlist.
Like, all right, well, if youdon't like, maybe I'm not the
best yoga teacher for youbecause I like Pearl Jam I might
play Pearl Jam during a yogaclass.
(30:59):
If you're not into it, that'sokay, you don't need to be, but
don't yell at me.
Just choose a different teacherand be grateful that you've now
eliminated Pearl Jam from youryogic experience.
Right, like, you have to remainauthentic to who you are and and
that is that is how you findyour tribe, that's how you
create your tribe, that's howyou, you know your clients align
(31:22):
with you.
That's how you're.
The people that listen to yourmusic align with you.
The people that come to youryoga class.
You know that's the more in theflow state you are.
I believe this to be true.
The more that you are going toattract what is meant for you to
you, and the more you honoryourself, the more authentic the
attraction is going to be andthe better it's going to become.
(31:43):
I hope that that's the case.
I believe that's the case, andthe more you come from that
place of like, grinding rightand like and not that there's
not an element that needs to be,but that that like wearing you
down at a certain point, likethat's not authentic.
You can't be worn down and livein authenticity right, because
(32:03):
you're not being true toyourself at that point.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
you're just, you're just in you're, you're on the
ground right, and that authenticpiece is something I fight with
so much because of like I'mlike a this country bluegrass
rock star.
But then it's like, well, thatguy's selling multi-million
dollar houses what a fraud.
You know what I mean.
And it's like, well, you knowwhat I'm doing, I'm taking care
(32:26):
of my family and like I'mserving my clients and I'm
serving my people and you know,like it's, it's like you have
again, it's like you go throughall this and it's like like I
had these conversations where,like you just made this face,
like what are you even talkingabout?
You know, and like that's theresponse.
People are like dude, likeyou're crushing it, like you're
(32:46):
doing something.
You serve so many communities,you know, on like a really,
really high level and you know,but your vision of yourself is
that like dude, like you needhelp.
And that's like, kind of whereI was, it was like like I, like
I was like it's not seeingmyself in this light.
And you know, I had this reallypotent experience.
(33:07):
There was this party, you know,a couple of weeks ago and you
know, like a month before that,like I've had some issues with
moving from Colorado because Iwas so successful there and we
just bailed and we totallydidn't plan and we just never
been good at planning.
And I was looking at my wife,you know, like a couple of weeks
before this party and we weregoing to go on this Italy trip
(33:28):
and I was, my health was haggardand I was just like I don't
want to go to this party, Idon't want to go to Italy.
I just I, I'm, I'm like I am, Ihave no friends.
I totally don't feel like Ihave like the type of people
that I did in Colorado and andI'm, you know, this is not where
we're supposed to be.
And then it was like, and thenwe like went to the party and it
(33:50):
was like I had like four orfive people come up to me and
they were just like I love you,like I love you so much, like
and just like hugging me andlike you know, like whatever you
need, like you want to hang out, you want to go fishing, no
drinking, like you know, likeanything I can do, like I'm and
I was.
I asked my wife I'm like, areyou, did you tell people that I
like needed this?
(34:11):
And she's like absolutely not.
And it was like all thesepeople just like knew that I
needed that.
And then I saw my buddy'sparents, who were like you know.
They were outside and they'vebeen married for like 50 years
and and you know they were kindof kissing waiting for their
uber, like so precious, and Irun up, I'm like you know, they
were kind of kissing waiting fortheir Uber, like so precious,
and I run up, I'm like you know,break it up and I'm flying,
(34:32):
feeling super good, and she'slike she goes, nick, like you
know, and I was with them forEaster of like a month before
that, and playing my guitar, thekids were playing and she's
like Nick, I just want to saylike, like you are so special.
And I was like, and herhusband's like Nick, I just want
to say like like you are sospecial.
(34:52):
And I was like, and herhusband's like yeah, yeah, he's
family.
And she's like no, I don't meanthat Like, I mean like you are
something really, really, reallyspecial.
And she's like that was likethe best Easter that we've ever
had.
And she's like you just satthere and you just, it was just
you, like you were just playingyour guitar and you're talking
to everybody and then you'd helpwith the kids and she's like
you just like brought this, likeenergy and this, this like set
(35:15):
this tone that was just likeinfectious to be around.
And she's like it was someaningful, like I just want you
to know, like you really,really, really touch us, like
we're so grateful you're here.
And then she just looks at meand she's like you're gonna be
okay.
And I'm like, are you like inmy mind and like Kat, you know,
(35:35):
did like everybody plan this out.
You know like and like.
She's like.
She's like like you know, likeit's gonna be okay.
And she's like but you have tochoose it.
And she's like but you have tochoose it.
And she's like you have to wakeup every morning and you have
to choose your wife and you haveto choose your kids, you have
to choose your job.
And she's like some days, ifyou don't want to, but she's
(35:57):
like I'm telling you like if youdon't, it's going to be a long,
tough road.
And she's like but if youchoose this life and I'm telling
you it is going to be it is themost beautiful life, like I see
it right in front of you, likeit is right there.
And she's like, if you justchoose it, like you'll be here
in 50 years with your partner,you know, at your friends, your
kids party, hanging out with alltheir friends, and you know,
(36:20):
and it will be a beautiful,beautiful life.
And it was like I was just likecrying.
I mean, I was crying, you know,like just tearing up, and I
remember, and then her husbandgoes all right, honey, the
uber's here, let's go.
They cruise out of there.
And I'm like like in tears, youknow, and I just like throw my
sunglasses on.
(36:41):
I'm, you know, lit lit up.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm good, I'm good roll.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I'm good, Roll back into the party Just like I
choose it, I'm good, I'm good,I've been healed, you know, and
it was like so deep.
But like I've said that to acouple other people who are,
like you know, older and likeknow what's up and feel like it
and they're like that idea ofchoosing something is so potent,
you know what I mean Like it'slike it's crazy when it's simple
(37:07):
, but it's like you know youdon't do it.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
You're like no, I hate my job.
Oh, I don't want to get up.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh, I gotta meditate again.
Oh, I gotta eat salad again,you know, and all of a sudden
you're like dude.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I choose you salad, like it's, it's real no, I mean
yeah, it's the struggle tochoose.
That is real for sure, oh mygosh.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, so that was my existential crisis, averted with
you know just some warm embrace, you know, and it's a little
bit of a little bit of guidance.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well, I mean'm being honestly like, being surrounded
by love.
Let's just like, call it whatit is.
I mean, no one lives in avacuum.
And you know, did you ever?
I don't don't.
I'm not like a research typeperson.
You know me, I'm not super intolike the, the scientific deep
dives, but you do you rememberthe study about the rats and the
and the?
I think I want to say it washeroin, it was like some sort of
(38:09):
hard drug, and they put rats,isolated rats, in with water.
One of the bottles of water hada hard drug in it cocaine or
heroin.
It was a bad one.
And the other rats had regularwater and basically what they
found was the rats that wereisolated and had access to the
drug water killed themselvesvery, very quickly.
(38:29):
Then they realized during theexperiment that they didn't
provide the rats with any otherrats or anything to do, and they
then gave them like ratparadises with all of these toys
and other rats, and none of therats went for oh, wow, or the
drugged water in any capacity.
And so it's really about know,and we as human beings are
(38:52):
social creatures and we need tohave a network.
And you know there are timeswhen you need your alone time,
you need your meditation, youneed your isolation, in small
doses, and you need to be ableto be alone with yourself, like
that's obviously a massive partof the puzzle, a massive part of
the puzzle.
But if you are in a dark placeor you know your mental health
is suffering, if you're, youknow like, in any of those
(39:12):
places, you know the support ishuge family, friends, having a
community.
I mean, you started that.
That set that moment out withI'm not in the right place.
My friends are in Colorado, like, like, what did we do?
Right Like.
So, from that place of like, Idon't have support, I feel
unsupported, I don't have anetwork, I'm on an island or
(39:35):
whatever it might be for you.
And then in that moment, theuniverse gave you, like, even,
and you had to choose to go tothe party, right Like, you made
the choice because you didn'twant to go and you put yourself
out there.
And then the universe is like Igot you.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
We got you Right.
That was what was so crazy tome was for me to have those
feelings and then be like, wow,it's all right here and I just
don't see it.
And that's that was where thechoosing thing, you know, I mean
the universe gave it to me 100percent and then just having
that sort of mindset of choosingit, it's like wow, like I went
(40:10):
from being like I nobody lovesme and it's all fake and to like
I have never felt so loved inmy life and it was like get it
to you, dude, you need to see atherapist.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, but I mean like it's beautiful and you know, I
love that.
That happened for you and Ithink we all, we all get that.
Hopefully, hopefully, everyonegets that feeling of being loved
and supported, because I thinkthat if you, if you have that,
if you have that, you feel likea like superhuman right.
If you have that, whatever thesafety net looks like right,
(40:46):
like it's your parents whenyou're little right Like, like
someone's there to catch you ifyou fall.
And having that kind of security, whether it's your parents,
whether it's your wife, whetherit's your friends, whoever it
becomes as you evolve and grow,you know it gives you the
confidence, it gives you thebelief in yourself, you know the
confirmation to go out thereand choose those things, because
(41:09):
otherwise, you know you can,you can spiral yourself right
out of your best choice.
Right Like that's what theworry, that's what that fear
that you know that that limbicsystem brain, that that monkey
mind, whatever you want to callit it can, it can just spin you
right out of, right away from,like had you not gone to that
party, to that party?
Right like what if you didn'tgo to the party?
Right, sliding doors movie.
(41:30):
Like what if nick didn't go tothe party and then nick decided
that he was going to move backto colorado?
and like you know what I meanlike, totally like like just
that one little kind of you know, that one choice, that one move
and and to get you out of thatspiral that you were in.
That maybe wasn't even true, Imean it was true for you in the
(41:51):
moment right.
But you felt it was, and one ofthe biggest things is the
emotions right.
So you were living in theemotion of that overwhelm, upset
, fear, loneliness, whatever itwas, maybe all of the above or
none, and you stepped out of itand out into the world around
you and the world around yousaid no, we've got your back,
(42:13):
we've got you.
You're good, we love you, wesupport you.
You're awesome.
Look at you.
Look at all this awesome,amazing stuff you do.
You are authentic, and justbecause you're a honky tonk
rockstar doesn't mean that youcan't sell a bad hundred acre
farm right, like yeah, you knowwhat I mean like less of a
person.
It makes you.
It makes you more of a badass.
(42:33):
How many other rock stars cansell real estate?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
no right no, no, I mean, I know and it's, it's.
People can say it, so the cowscome home.
But until you see it yourself,you know that's and you have to
just allow that and you have toreceive it, and you have to hear
it and you know, and it's.
You know, people like like mywife, like I tell her she's
awesome and like she's amazingacupuncturist, I'm always like
(42:59):
how was it?
how did your clients?
Were they stoked and you know,did you get any feedback?
And she's just like I don'tneed it.
Like you do, dude, you knowshe's like I'm good, like I know
I'm good, I don't need it.
Like you do, dude, you knowshe's like I'm good, like I know
I'm good, like I don't need it.
And she's like but your lovelanguage is like you know, you
want, you know, reassurement andfeedback.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Words of affirmation yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Words of affirmation and and you know we've gone
through issues together because,like I'm like begging for it
and she's like stop it.
You know what I mean.
And I was like can we like sortof meet in the middle with us?
And you know it's important toknow, you know what you need and
to ask for it and like feelcomfortable, to be like.
(43:43):
You know this is I'm not beingselfish, this is kind of what I
need right now and I think Iasked the universe for it and I,
you know, and it gave it to melike and I like I finally like
vocalized it, like I just likesat in the bed with my wife and
I was like life sucks for meright now, like I'm so unhappy,
like and I know that I shouldn'tbe like I know it, I know it's
(44:04):
beautiful, like I can see allthese things, but like inside I
am like dead, you know, and andand I was like I know it, I know
it's beautiful, like I can seeall these things, but like
inside I am like dead, you know,and and and I was like I don't
know what to do and like I just,you know, I'm eating healthy,
I'm not drinking, I'm doing alleverything that everybody's
telling me to do and I can'tlike get a hold of this, this
pain and all this stuff and andyou know, and it was like as
(44:25):
soon as I started like justowning it like and letting it
out there and writing it, know,and it was like as soon as I
started like just owning it likeand letting it out there and
writing it down, and it was likethere was like all of a sudden
it felt like the healing couldlike really begin and then all
of a sudden there was all thesepeople there that were like they
just knew, like on cue, like itwas.
It was pretty bizarre, you knowyeah, I mean it sounds.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It sounds kind of poignantly beautiful.
You know what I mean.
It was and and it's, you know.
Yeah, I mean it sounds.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
It sounds kind of poignantly beautiful.
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
mean it was and, and it's like you know, we talked a
little bit before about like theone 80, the one 80 versus the
three 60.
And it feels like maybe youwere putting your real and true
and authentic emotions in theback one 80 and that you brought
them out into the front andthen, like the universe is like
oh, okay, we've got you, like Ihad that experience like I had.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
There's so many people at the party that I knew
and I remember my wife and Iwere like the only people we had
sunglasses on, and it was likeyou know someone like came up to
me and they're like we need youto write the letter for the
lake club.
I was like glasses bye.
Like I saw my clients, theywere like I was dancing, they're
like.
He was like, yeah, you know,looking like he wanted to come
in and dance with us.
And then he just like steps onhis wife's foot and like smashes
(45:34):
her ankle and she's just likegives this look and I was like
glasses on later.
You know, like all these thingswere like normally I would have
been like engaged, are you okay?
Or you know, I was just likeyou know what.
No, like 80 goodbye and likenobody cared, nobody's like.
Oh, you didn't check on me whenmy husband stepped on my ankle
(45:57):
and you're outraging on thedance floor, like why would I
even think that that is evenlike appropriate, you know?
But that's just like like youare you.
Are you just people?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
pleasing, yeah, yeah, Well, of course, Like, like, oh
, I want, I want to help withthat, Like it's just and listen,
I like people pleasing is notalways great.
It certainly is not great forthe people, pleaser.
It can get you in a lot of badcircumstances.
But I do believe that it comesfrom a place of inherent
kindness, Agreed, and I don'tthink that that's a bad way to
(46:30):
be.
I'd rather be inherently kindthan you know, be living in the
head of someone who's selfishand and shady and you know a
liar or manipulate you know whatI mean.
Like I'd rather be kind andharmed because of my kindness
than the, than the opposite.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I totally agree.
But and that's the part aboutlike knowing your limit, knowing
your bandwidth, you knowsetting boundaries, prioritizing
and then going and kind ofexecuting, and that you know
it's there's a word, sonder.
Do you know that word?
Um, it's like everybody is outthere having their own unique
(47:05):
experience.
Like that's Sonder.
Like you know, the peoplelistening to this right now are,
you know, having their ownthing, and the person you know
he says all the little memewhere it's like everyone's in
traffic and it's like this guy'slate to drop the kids off, this
guy just got fired.
You know, this guy's got a sickdog that's going to the vet.
This guy just had the best dayof his life.
This guy just had the best dayof his life.
(47:25):
Like you know, like there'sjust you know like we're all
just like on this plane havingour own unique experience.
And you know, like we don'tneed to like go into everybody's
mind and try to figure out what, how they're receiving every
single you know scenario that'sinvolved with you, you're going
to just, you're going to killyourself.
It's just like it's.
It's it's not fair, you know,and some people are more wired
(47:49):
to to do that and I think, likeyou said, the intention
inherently is good, but likethere's a point where it's like
okay, you know, this is, youknow, this is too much yeah, it
can become.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
It can become unhealthy, just like anything
like that, and that's where thediscipline comes in right.
It's like any, even thehealthiest thing for you.
Like you can, you can.
You can drink too much water anddie from it right, but you have
to drink a whole lot of water,right like it, like and I don't
want to say everything inmoderation, because it's trite,
but it's true, but it's trite,but it's like everything has the
(48:23):
potential to be harmful if you,if, if you overdo it, right
like it.
Just even the best things likeif you sit in meditation all day
, every day and I know people, Imean people do that right sages
, right like enlightenedenlightened people can do that.
But there's an element of youknow, at a certain point you
need to nourish your body aswell and that's where it comes
(48:44):
to like the balance.
Fine, and everyone's balance isgonna be different.
There's no cookie cutter.
Hey, listen, you have tomeditate for this long every day
and you have to do yoga forthis long every day, and you
have, I mean, like your drivers.
Even discipline in and ofitself has to have some balance,
because you have to be able,you know one day, to say like
you know what, maybe maybe thisday my son wants to go play
(49:05):
catch, and then that's when I'mmeditating, but that's when he
can play catch, and it's okaythat on this random Sunday I'm
going to do that instead ofmeditate.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
That could be my meditation Right so nobody's
judging you right, except foryou, right, except for you.
You're the one.
It's probably better that yougo play with your kids, so let's
think about it, you know.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, let's think about it.
You know, yeah, yeah, and I,you know, I think that there's,
there is, there is no perfect.
The only thing that mattersmore than anything is the
self-awareness to be able torecognize and then implement so
that you can, like, be betterthan you were yesterday.
I feel like, I feel like that's, that's the end game, that's if
we can, if we can get to an endgame of this conversation that
kind of didn't go in thedirection I thought it was going
(49:50):
to go.
But I love that for us becauseI think that it went where it
needed to go, and that's why Ilove doing this, because it's
just it's fun for me to just seehow the conversation flows and
get into that flow state.
Um, and whatever comes out iswhat was meant to come out.
Um, I'm gonna ask one finalquestion, because I have to,
because you're a yoga instructor.
What is your favorite yoga pose?
(50:12):
Well, we'll try to make some.
Throw some yoga in here at somepoint.
What was it?
What?
Speaker 3 (50:16):
do you?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
do you have a favorite yoga?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
yeah, I mean child's pose is like yeah like you know
my go-to.
I mean you know I, I always like, when I was doing my yoga
training too, I like was rightwhen I had my baby, so like I
always loved happy baby, likeI'd always call it happy hanky
and I would just, you know, andlike he would do that too and we
(50:40):
would just lie on our back andyou know.
But you know, I mean I am likeI do kind of the old school yoga
.
You know my sun salutations andyou know I I don't get too
intricate on the postures but Ilove that grounding feel of like
you know the the, you know justchild's pose, when it's like
(51:01):
you know you just the class ispopping and you're just like.
You know what I just need tolike take a minute.
Yeah, just like my third eyejust on my mat and then you know
.
But I also like love, the youknow playfulness of happy baby.
It's like usually at the end ofa class, you know, after a
couple of backbends, when you'reon your back and you're
finishing up doing your finalthing and I just have this
(51:24):
really good memory of happyhanky.
Every time I'm on my back Ithink about you know my kids and
it's a nice way to enterShavasana.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's how I enter Shavasana pretty much every time
, private clients or otherwise.
Yeah, it's always end with ahappy baby because it's just it
feels good, man, you know itjust feels good and it's great
for your.
You know it's great for your.
You know it's great for all thethings, um, but I love that you
mentioned like the grounding ofyour third eye, because I feel
like your favorite yoga pose isexactly what we just had an
(51:56):
entire conversation about.
Like our whole conversation wasabout like self-awareness and
hitting that point and justdropping in and realizing and I
feel like that that particularyoga pose is a metaphor for
everything that we just talkedabout and I love that.
A lot of tracks, right, ittotally tracks, it's totally
tracks.
See flow state.
Right now it's happening.
(52:17):
This is it, this is what itlooks like, awesome.
Well, nick, is there anything Imean?
I would love to.
Would you mind dropping yourband's name so people can go
check you out?
Um, and I will happily tag youon instagram, but yeah, yeah,
nick dunbar, um the cowboy band.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
We go by nick dunbar and sad cowboy and then I play
in a bluegrass band called thelazy sky, but, um, everything is
under my name, nick dunbar.
You can go listen to my albumon spotify under Nick Dunbar and
follow me, nick W Dunbar andyou know, come out and see a
show and, uh, hopefully I'm inthe flow state.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
You are, you are, I believe that you are.
You know, like I said, we allhave the areas where we're.
We hit the flow state Like, andI feel like that's our natural,
our passion, whatever it is,and I feel like the more that
you integrate that into theother parts, it just turns into
one big happy flow stateEventually.
That's the goal right.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
On my way.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
We're all on our way, brother, we are all on our way,
so I just want to thank you somuch for for spending this time
with me today, and let everyoneelse that is listening know that
I appreciate each and every oneof you for sharing this space
with me, and so I ask that youplease feel free to share the
same with your loved ones.
For more goodness, follow me onall the socials at Above the
(53:34):
Ground Podcast and visit mywebsite, airsaboveyogacom, and,
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Again, my name is Gia RaquelRose, hanging out with Nick
Dunbar.
(53:55):
I own Heirs Above Yoga, and youare listening to Above the
Ground Podcast, where every dayis a good one.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
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