Breaking Free from Your Body's War

Come and listen to our Host, Tina Spoletini, as she chats with today's guest, Michaela Foulkes, for our "Boss Babe Summer: Leveling Up in Life & Career" Podcast Series.
 Mix motivation, business tips, and interviews with female entrepreneurs on how to use summer energy to plan ahead, reflect, or pivot.  

Michaela Foulkes is an internationally respected Fat Loss and Fitness Coach.  Since 1999 she has had extensive backgrounds in massage therapy, kettlebell instruction, cellular nutrition, intermittent fasting, slightly extended fasting (36-48 hours), and in pain management and prevention. 

Through her programs, coaching, speaking, writing, and ebook, “Power & Pain", Michaela helps women (and men) over 40 lose weight easily when they've thought it impossible, or create robust health when they thought, "feeling old", was inevitable. 

Have you ever felt like your body is waging war against you after 40? That somehow your metabolism has betrayed you, making weight loss seem impossible no matter what you try? This eye-opening conversation with Michaela Folks, an internationally respected fat loss and fitness coach, completely reframes that narrative.

Michaela reveals the profound truth that has guided her 20+ year career: your body isn't broken or betraying you – it's actually trying to protect you. Drawing from her extensive background in cellular nutrition, kettlebell instruction, and intermittent fasting, she shares how our bodies are designed to burn both sugar and fat for energy, but most of us have unintentionally trained our systems to rely primarily on sugar.

The heart of this episode centers around "mitochondrial reconstruction" – essentially rewiring your cellular energy factories to efficiently access stored fat. This metabolic shift takes just 9-10 days to establish but creates transformative changes including reduced hunger, eliminated cravings, improved energy, better sleep, and easier weight management. As Michaela explains, "When you're situated to use your own fat for fuel, you don't have cravings. You don't clamor for donuts or ice cream."

What makes this conversation particularly valuable is how Michaela breaks down complex biological processes into practical, actionable guidance. She shares her "Holy Trinity of Health" – proper nutrition, appropriate exercise, and high-quality supplements – and explains how each component supports your body's natural healing capabilities. Her insights about stress management are especially illuminating: when we experience stress, our bodies release hormones designed to give us quick energy, and simple physical movements can prevent that energy from being stored as fat.

Whether you're struggling with weight loss resistance, chronic inflammation, or simply feeling that getting older means feeling worse, this episode offers hope through science-based solutions and a refreshingly compassionate understanding of how our bodies actually work.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Confidence in Bloom, where bold women rise
, shine and own their power.
We all face that pesky innercritic what I call the
itty-bitty, shitty committee,whispering self-sabotaging
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Because Because let's be realthe most powerful thing any
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I'm Tina Spoletini, your hostwith the Divas that Care Network
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their voice, embraced theirworth and are lighting the way
for all of us Ready to bloominto your best self.
Let's dive in.
Today I'm chatting withMichaela Folks.
Michaela is an internationallyrespected fat loss and fitness
coach.
Since 1999, she has hadextensive backgrounds in massage

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therapy, kettlebell instruction, cellular nutrition,
intermittent fasting, slightlyextended fasting, 36 to 48 hours
and in pain management andprevention.
Through her programs coaching,speaking, writing and ebook
Power and Pain Michaela helpswomen and men over 40 lose

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weight easily when they'vethought it impossible, or create
robust health when they thoughtfeeling old was inevitable.
Welcome, michaela.
Thank you I am super excited totalk about everything that you
do and whatever you're willingto share with us about what you

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know.
I'm going to get right intoyour story.
What has inspired you to diveso deeply into fat loss, pain
prevention and cellular health?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh, my God, as I cry.
Honestly, I think both it'slike, I guess, two sides of the
same coin, which is to feel, tonot feel powerless and to also
feel free.
And so, um, I am someone who,just I, I don't like limits, and

(02:55):
so it's like, you know, the theassumed, um, uh, kind of agreed
upon assumptions, you know,just just getting old, or you
know that of course, you can'tdo this after blah, blah, blah
age, like that is just like aknife in my heart, and so that's
something it's like I feel likethe body is so logical, and so

(03:20):
there's just, there's a blackand whiteness, as far as my
experience has gone, um, thatit's like if you understand a
bit about what you want to have,it's just easier to make
decisions that help you to havewhat you want.
And then I'll say the um, fatloss piece definitely was all

(03:43):
around my struggles withemotional eating, and so my
whole thing was how do you, youknow, behave badly and not look
like it, honestly, like how doyou feel like shit but not look
like shit?
And so it was just like how doI?
So for me, I was always justlike looking for the next diet,
the next workout approach and Iwas just my own living

(04:08):
laboratory and like test productand I just went through enough
to the degree that I kind offound something that was like,
oh, this is so forgiving, like,this is so flexible, this is so

(04:28):
forgiving, like, this is soflexible.
Um, but really it was both notwanting to feel limited and also
feeling like, um, I don't wantto be kicked when I'm down, like
how do I, how do I create asense of freedom in my body
physically?
And then also, how do I createa sense of like forgiveness when
I'm pretty like compromisedemotionally?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
really, Right, right.
And so now that's where I, mybrain, is going, that's where
the getting older comes in.
Right, because when we lookback at our twenties, right, I
remember being able to go outtill all hours of the night, you
know, go home, have two orthree hours of sleep, you know,
get up and start again, right,whatever that day meant for me,

(05:14):
and not really looking orfeeling like I'd been beaten up.
Now, this weekend, like now inmy life, in my 50s, I'm like you
know, if I don't get my 10hours of rest and that includes,
like you know, the unwindingtime on the couch in front of
the TV to going to bed andgetting six to eight hours of

(05:35):
sleep, you can tell, likeanybody can tell, that.
I have been.
Not, I didn't get my rest right, I can tell.
I look in the mirror and I gooh my God, you look like hell
Right now.
If I can see that in myself,I'm sure the world sees that and
that, I'm assuming, is what youmean by finding that powerful.
But power within right is you?

(05:55):
Don't you no longer feel that,or it's not as obvious?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, actually no, because I do believe that, like
time, like we have an expirationdate, right, it's like
everything is not the same fromday one today, like a thousand,
whatever the heck it might belike, however that goes,
regarding years.
But so for me, with justaddressing that, what I like is

(06:23):
that I think that age timeshould be a consideration, but
not, um, not the full story, butregarding, I'll just say, um,
that piece of like freedom.
My initial career was as amassage therapist and so, for me

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, I learned a lot about pain,and I learned about the fact
that, or figured out, whichwasn't so obvious for most
people, which is crazy to me, isthat physical pain, muscular
pain, typically comes fromweakness, and so it's like it's
not a mystery, you know, youdon't have shitty luck.
It's like it's either a matterof position, posture or strength

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, and so it's like if you'regood in one, you can get away
with not being fantastic withthe other, so you can have this
slumped over state.
If you have a stronger back, orif you have great posture, you
can be weaker and your lowerback and not, um, not bear the
brunt of discomfort.

(07:29):
So I think to me that's wherethat kind of logic, black and
white.
Because the thing that was socrazy pain, muscular pain is not
dependent on any age.
Um, so I would see people inevery decade telling me that
they're old because their lowerback hurts and it's like, or
because I I threw my lower backout by picking up a piece of

(07:51):
paper across the desk and it'slike you just have shitty form
and weakness and that's it, andso so that really was the
initial driver.
But to to answer your realquestion is I think that we do
change, but if we understandwhat's changing and then how to

(08:16):
offset that, how to mitigate theimpact um, you know, I can't
stay out all night you know whatI mean and have a bunch of
alcohol and feel like I did inmy twenties either.
But it's like if we understandhow to I'm all about how to have
your cake and eat it too.

(08:36):
So it's like if we understandthat using activated charcoal is
something that helps get toxinsout of our body faster, or that
using vitamin C is somethingthat actually blocks the like
metabolite that speeds up agingwith alcohol.
Or if we understand thatelectrolytes are something
that'll help us to not bedehydrated and then like hungry

(09:00):
for crappy food the next day.
It's like we just giveourselves a better chance to
kind of like get away with thisstuff that we could without like
any thought when we wereyounger.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Right Now, my, my, my questions are actually coming
at me like in so many differentdirections, just from that.
You know one comment that youmade there, so I'm gonna try to
stick to what I planned.
Only because, I mean, Ihonestly I could open up like
many rabbit holes right justfrom there.
Right, because I haven't, Imean, I don't even I've heard of

(09:37):
activated charcoal, not for thebody, like, not physically,
like, not for something that Icould digest or, you know, a
human could.
So I'm, I'm, I'm, I want tocome back to that because I'm a
little bit, um, curious.
But now, okay, so you, as weget older I mean you've already

(09:58):
said our bodies change, whereyou know, even though our cells
are constantly, um, regenerating, they're, they, they're
generating with what theyalready have.
So this is how we know thatdisease is created.
When we're regenerating, likeour cells are regenerating with
the garbage in our body.

(10:18):
That's how we end up withdisease and other illness, right
, am I right?
Would you say that that's kindof where I'm, I think?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
I say kind of in the sense that my understanding is
um, so if we so, degenerationthat's typically what we're
talking about.
So, like you know, um having,whether it's arthritis or asthma
or cancer, you know, or heartdisease, it tends to be this

(10:49):
kind of erosion, and so I wouldthink more about the fact that
the cells just don't have whatthey need in order to protect
themselves, rebuild themselvesoptimally, and that's where
things like I'm such a fan oftalking about cellular nutrition
, really high caliber, highquality vitamins and minerals

(11:13):
like those are the tools and thematerials that we don't really
get from our food.
Plus, we have these additionalstressors, whether that is
literally stress orenvironmental stressors.
So so, to your point, if we'rerebuilding ourselves with
something that's subpar slash mywords which is like we don't

(11:35):
have what we need, so then wehave these non-robust cells,
these cells that are kind of,you know, performing more poorly
through time.
That's when I believe we'remore susceptible to, you know,
looking old, feeling old,contracting or developing really
some sort of degenerativedisease, which really is

(11:57):
something that happens slowlyand over time.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right, okay, okay.
So now let's go into likeweight loss.
Yeah, now, many of ourlisteners are women and they're
many are over 40 and they feellike their bodies have like
changed in some way.
Why, why, why do we feel likeweight loss is harder after 40?

(12:21):
And I mean I used to hear thatas a child, right, because I've
always had to lose weight and Iremember everyone around me
would always say as you getolder, it's going to be harder
to lose.
Really, is that true, and Ithere's.
There's some myth in that.
I believe you know, in youropinion, what.
What are most people gettingwrong about this weight loss

(12:43):
industry?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
So I love that you think that and that it's not
just like a given.
So I think that some of thethings that again that I believe
to be true are like ourhormones do change.
You know, I think that.

(13:29):
And then there's stuff that'skind of time dependent 40, I am
not a hundred percent the expert, but what.
So I kind of know, like, how todo it, meaning that it's like I
know how to help women'smetabolism be higher, like I
know how to help women'smetabolism be higher, like I
know how to help women preservetheir muscle and build it.
I know how to have women help,you know, access their own fat

(13:51):
for fuel and, once again, notbreak their muscle down in the
effort to lose weight.
Um, and I understand how to.
Um, what do I want to say?
Like I would say, help with,like estrogen balance, to a
degree, testosterone support aswell.
So I kind of know about all thethings that help weight loss
period.
And then it's like, oh, why isthis different after 40?

(14:15):
And I think for some of us it'snot so different because of how
supported we are.
So I think that when we haveeither you know, like there's a.
What do I want to say, I don'tknow, an agreed upon assumption.

(14:35):
Like we just gain weight everyyear.
We just have this, you know,kind of slow build through time.
And it's like, well, if we keepdoing things that are either
kind of like metabolicallycompromising, maybe that's the
food that we eat, maybe that'show we live, how active we are,

(14:56):
how active we're not, maybethat's you know, the fact that
we have lost some muscle, andthat doesn't necessarily happen
just because, like, our hormonesare different.
They are it's less advantageousas we get older, but we still
might not be doing things tohelp build muscle, maintain

(15:16):
muscle mass.
So I really feel like it's abit of nature and it's a bit of
nurture.
So I personally think that youknow, it's a less, it's a less
ideal situation.
And so, again, like I do nothave the scientific background

(15:39):
or personal study, it's likedoes our metabolism slightly
adjust down?
Study, it's like does ourmetabolism slightly adjust down?
But is that also a result ofagain compromising foods, the
amount of sleep that we'regetting, how we're situated to
burn which kind of fuel?
So I think that is lessadvantageous as we get older.

(16:02):
But I also think that if we'vedone a lot of things that are
not advantageous.
Through time we will have amore challenging situation.
That's once again lessforgiving.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Right, so it's really about lifestyle from beginning
to end.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
In general, yeah, in general, and I think that that's
again that's like the you knowone side of the coin, which is
like freedom.
It's like, oh, wow, like I can,I have so much choice, like it
doesn't mean that I just thinkabout these things and they
happen, like I actually have todo something, but it's like,
well, um, I classify somethingas like the holy Trinity of

(16:44):
health, and so it's like diet,exercise, like high quality,
like vitamins and minerals, andso it's like, and it's it's so
simple and it's constant, and soit's like you do need to eat in
a particular way.
That would be most supportivein general, like having some
sort of physical activity, likewith some consistency, like, yes

(17:09):
, and then like simplest thingin the world, like taking a few
tablets a day, um, and so it isvery straightforward, but it's
constant, um, but it's simple.
So I, yes, absolutely Lifestylelike number one.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
So I, yes, absolutely Lifestyle like number one.
Yeah, yeah, I get that.
I do get that.
Now, in your bio you mentioneda little bit about bio
biochondria or mitochondria.
I always say that.
So let's, let's talk aboutmitochondrial reconstruction
First of all.
Can you maybe explain what thatis in plain terms, and why is

(17:46):
it the key to losing fat fastand aging and well, I guess
reverse aging, does that soundright?
Is that what you would call it?

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I don't know maybe reversing, yeah, slowing for
sure.
So, um, the, the mitochondria,they're the um.
So in our cells we have allthese little they're called
organelles, and so basicallyit's like if we think of our
body, we have organs, cells haveorganelles.

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So, excuse me, so they havelittle parts of them that do
different things, right, likeour, our lungs do something
different than our liver does.
So our mitochondria are theenergy producing unit of our
cell.
They're the things that createenergy, and so essentially, what

(18:38):
I help people do is so our.
We've evolved to burn fat.
So simpler organisms, singlecell organisms, can only burn
sugar.
We're made to burn sugar andfat, and so we evolved to burn
fat to survive.
Because if we needed to, if wecould not store energy, we would

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need to have access to food,kind of constantly.
Energy we would need to haveaccess to food, kind of
constantly.
And that's not how our worldworks for humans.
So we've evolved to burn fat toessentially store energy for
times when we didn't have accessto food.
So so when you, basically theprocess that I help take people

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through is both with an elementof I don't want to say calorie,
carbohydrate reduction, but alsoan increase in insulin
sensitivity, but in that processthe body has to build new
mitochondria or fix the energyproducing unit of the cell to be

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able to access our fat forenergy, and so essentially what
that does is it enables you touse your own fat for fuel.
So, if we only give ourselves,most people in our culture are

(20:06):
very good at burning sugar, verygood at burning sugar, very
good at storing fat, not sogreat at getting into that fat
later.
So, essentially, if you havemore mitochondria that have the
ability, it's really to flipback and forth, because it's
easy to burn sugar but it's morechallenging to burn fat.

(20:29):
But we're made to burn both,and so if you can burn fat, well
, you can always burn sugar.
It's like not an issue at all.
But if you can, you can burnsugar.
It's not a guarantee that youcan burn fat anyway.
So when you get situated tohave mitochondria that are
capable of accessing your ownfat for fuel this is natural,

(20:51):
we're all made to do this Thenessentially you have energy at
your disposal.
But the thing regarding and Ihope I'm answering the question
the thing that talked aboutreverse aging, or I think about
actually that can get intofasting, um, but when you're set

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up to use your own fat for fuel.
The nature of that means thatyou are less hungry, which means
that you don't need to eat asoften, and one thing that I
think is a really good, usefulbit of a useful awareness for
people when they're kind ofdeciding, maybe, how they might
want to approach eitherincreased, improved health,

(21:37):
increased longevity, weight lossEvery time we eat, we're giving
ourselves the instruction todivide.
We only each cell only has somany divisions until it's dead.
If people that are focused onlongevity tend to have an

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awareness about something calledtelomeres, which are like these
little protective caps that areat the ends of our DNA, and
essentially the length of yourtelomeres indicates the lifespan
that you have remaining.
So every time we tell ourselvesto divide, whether we actually
need that or not, we're justspeeding up this shortening of

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our telomeres.
But when we go for longerstretches without food, we don't
have that same instruction, andthen we have the double benefit
of our body actually being ableto repair itself.
Heal things, protect us.
There's something calledapoptosis, which means cell

(22:44):
death, but basically it's likeyou give yourselves the
bandwidth to do more things, um,and so you're slowing aging by
not speeding up this race to theend and your body is able to um
, do also something called um,forgetting the name right now.
Basically it's cellularrejuvenation, but essentially

(23:08):
it's like the cells again havethe bandwidth to clean
themselves up, to fix themselves, to protect, to shut down cells
that are a threat, and so,basically, it's like the nature
of that state your mitochondriabeing able to burn fat enables
you, at the very least bottomlevel, to not eat as often, to

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protect your muscle, to haveeasy access to kind of endless
energy, and then to not race tospeed up aging with this
instruction, to keep having ourcells divide, because every time
we eat, that is the nature ofwhat happens, right.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
And so, when I'm now, what's coming to my mind is
what is the best way of makingthis like process at its highest
, at its most powerful, likepositively?
Is it through food andnutrition and supplements, or is
it like everything?
Like I mean all our fault,because our five senses all feed

(24:15):
our body right, and so ourcells.
I mean that's part of the body,so does that?
Is that what that means?
Like this re rejuvenation,cellular rejuvenation, or
whatever we called it?
Is it like everything has apart of that, right, because
these are now our tissues?
We're talking about everythingthat's within our body.
So am I understanding thatright like it's not just about

(24:39):
food and um supplements, likelike vitamins?
It's there's more to it thanjust because it sounds like I
mean the way you explained it'sthere's more to it than just
cause it sounds like, I mean theway you explained it, it's kind
of difficult, like it soundslike a difficult process.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
It's um, I guess like .
I guess it's a little specific,but it's not um, but it's
natural Like.
I think that's the biggestthing that like, but it's
natural Like, I think that's thebiggest thing that like.
So again, so my kind oftemplate it takes like nine to
10 days to get the body into afat burning mode, and what that
means is you've created themachinery for your body to

(25:15):
comfortably use your own bodyfat for fuel.
So it is a little bit of aprocess, but I'll say so to your
question.
There really are.
But I'll say so to yourquestion there really are Um, so
I'll say regarding like again,getting your body into the state
and staying there.
There's five parts, and so dietis definitely number one.
But even within diet, timingmatters.

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So I'll say um, so I'll say so.
Every time we eat, our cellshave the instruction to divide.
So what's the opposite of that?
We eat less often, but we dothat in my world, we do that
when the body is comfortable,when it's not hungry, like that

(26:02):
makes sense to not eat whenwe're not hungry.
When it's not hungry, like thatmakes sense to not eat when
we're not hungry.
Additionally, when you havethis new wiring, you don't have
cravings.
Typically, people crave sweetor starchy carbs, so that's
sugar, and so once again, it'slike so now you have this wiring
, that doesn't make you clamorfor donuts or ice cream, and

(26:26):
that doesn't mean that stuff isnot delicious and that we don't
hold into it anymore.
We're not, we don't need to runon it anymore.
Um, and then, additionally,I'll say exercise is an element,
and I think this is somethingthat's the fastest way to get
out of a fat burning mode isthrough element, and I think
this is something that's thefastest way to get out of a fat

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burning mode is through exercise.
The fastest way to flip yourbody back to burning sugar is to
do something intense, and sothe nature, and I'll go through
these other three things.
Basically, we're made to burnsugar and fat, and fat is meant
for, like everyday use, constantenergy.

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We're walking around where youknow folding laundry.
We're at our desk.
Sugar is meant for sprinting,fight or flight, so we want that
access to quick energy, but wedon't always need access to
quick energy.
So so, if you want to reliablytap into fat, regardless of

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where you are metabolicallydoing, something that is slower,
longer, even potentiallywalking, is phenomenal, and so
we can still do all kinds ofexercise.
We can even do sprinting stuffand stay in a fat burning mode
If that's where we've startedlifting weights, swimming,

(27:51):
whatever the heck we want to do.
But if we do something toointense, too long, potentially
even, it's very easy to flipinto a sugar burning mode, um,
or to deepen it.
So that's number two.
Number three is sleep, and sothis is something where,
essentially, we want to get atleast seven to eight, at least

(28:13):
seven hours of sleep, and sowhen we do that, we reset
certain hormones that supportour thyroid gland, and our
thyroid gland is veryconsequential for our metabolism
.
Additionally, I think somethingum, just to totally drown us in
information, um, something thatI think is really useful is to

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think about having a windowbetween when we stop eating and
when we go to bed, and so thisis another.
Hormones are superconsequential in all of this.
So if we have two to threehours, four would be amazing,
five could totally work, six wetend to get hungry again.
So if we have some margin, whatthis will do is it'll have

(29:02):
insulin be out of our system.
That comes whenever we eatanything besides just fat.
We're not typically just eatingbutter or oil, insulin will
come along for the ride to moveglucose um to store fat.
Should we be eating particularthings or eating an excess?

(29:22):
But then once that's out of oursystem and we go to bed, then
we can have human growth hormonecome in like ideal amounts
which helps with weight loss,which helps with testosterone
levels.
So we both want seven hours andthen ideally we're having
quality sleep and that's whenhuman growth hormone can, like

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come in full effect.
We need to be in deep sleep forhuman growth hormone to get um
released.
So the more cycles of REM wehave, the more opportunities we
have to experience human growthhormone being high in our body.

(30:04):
The last two one is stress,essentially stress, cortisol,
adrenaline, those are all sugarburning hormones and this is
actually something that I thinkis really um, this is so long
winded, this is not concise.
Um, this is so hopeful.
So stress is part of life,right, like we have near

(30:25):
accidents, like somethinghappens to our child.
You know we've got, oh my God,this bad news, you know from
work, whatever.
So stress hormones I just thinkthis is so liberating.
Basically they raise bloodsugar and so what typically
happens?
Why we have the understandingthat you know, stress, cortisol

(30:50):
stores belly fat.
Okay, we don't want that, right, we don't want high levels of
cortisol, which comes fromstress that stores belly fat.
But the deal is that cortisolis there to give us access to
energy because our moreprimitive brain sees stress as a
threat, as a danger.

(31:11):
So what do we need tophysically do to get away from
that?
We need to run, we need tofight.
So what's so useful is wheneveryou feel a pop of stress.
What's so useful is wheneveryou feel a pop of stress, this
surge of cortisol or adrenalinemove your body.
So, even if that's like I am inbed and I'm having this panic

(31:36):
about tomorrow, this is what Ido.
I flutter my legs, I squeeze mybutt, cheeks, I do something
like in the car, like drum yourfeet on the ground, like you
know, pump your arms, do jumpingjacks, do squats.
But if you use that energy thenit doesn't get stored.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So stress will come, yeah, and so this is like I mean
okay, so I'm gonna throw thisout there.
That seems like common sense,like now that you see it because
your body tells you you needlike do something right now.
Right, and sometimes I knowmyself like sometimes I'll like

(32:22):
clench my arms and kind of go,oh my god, I don't know how to
do this Right.
But the reality is like, yeah,like I could see that, like
you're laying in bed and all ofa sudden you get this a little
bit of anxiety because, oh myGod, tomorrow I have that big
meeting and you know I'm notprepared, or I'm, you know I
don't really I don't feel like Iwant to be there or whatever I
mean it could be.
You know a million differentthings, but it makes sense,

(32:51):
right.
Like your body wants to dosomething with that and instead
of just allowing it to flowthrough, you like if you give it
something, like do something,then you I mean that's that
burns calories clenching yourbody right, like there's lots of
meditations that do that.
Oh my gosh, that is so I lovethat Isn't that amazing.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
So this is like.
This is the stuff that Itotally thrill in, which is like
the body is so logical, likethere's no mistakes, and so it's
not like you know.
You're just kind of cursed withhaving to, like you know, gain
weight around our midsectionbecause you know the rent is due
.
It's like that stress was made.
Our brain doesn't differentiate.

(33:28):
If we think stress, we thinkdanger and we know we're not
going to die.
You know that we have to, like,pay a bill tomorrow, but our
brain doesn't know anythingdifferent, so it's trying to
give us energy to handle it.
So it's like it's all we'redoing is we're just putting that
sugar.
Essentially, we're just usingit in our muscles versus storing

(33:49):
it in our fat.
We're using it and that's whatit's meant for that's so amazing
and I think that isn't it.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, yeah.
And then, like you said, thebody knows the like our bodies
are made to know.
We know what's right for us,but it's putting the brain, the
brain knowledge right and thebody knowledge together right
and again.
That's like how the body keepsthe score, like it's all, like
it's all kind of the same thing,right.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
How Well, I think I think the big thing to me and
this is part of like what I dowith people and I feel like very
like tenderhearted andpassionate about it and the fact
that it's like I think a lot ofus are kind of like at war a
bit with our bodies, like wethink that you know our bodies
have like betrayed us or thatyou know they, we people, talk
about like hating their bodies,or that you know it's like, of

(34:46):
course you know I look at thisand I gain weight, and it's like
it's this kind of adversarialrelationship and I feel like, a
your body's here to protect you.
Like, b it it always tells thetruth.
And then, c, it's likeeverything it's doing, like its
priorities are for you to notdie and, if the conditions are

(35:10):
correct, to reproduce, likethat's its objectives.
So it's like, well, if, ifvariety of you know these things
are happening, it's likethere's a reason for it.
And again, it's not likebecause I'm over 40.
And now you know I just have aslow slide into, like you know,
an undesirable existence.

(35:31):
It's like your body's trying todo certain things for you to
help you to not die and then,hopefully, to reproduce, and so
it's like, if we keep lookingthrough this lens, it's so smart
, it's so efficient, like it'slazy in some respects, it'll
just take the path of leastresistance, but it's like, well,

(35:53):
that's, it's just useful toknow, and so then, the more we
know.
That's my objective for amillion years.
It's like to help you tounderstand how your body works
so you can have it work for you.
So then it's not this like pileof flesh and fluids that feels
like a mystery.
It's like it is magical, likeit is a miracle, but it's not.

(36:15):
It doesn't need to be a mystery, at least in the areas that
right most focused on.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Right, yeah, and your message there to me is trust,
trust, trust your body.
It knows what it needs.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
Now, so what?
I don't?
I don't.
I haven't figured out quitewhat your method is, and I know
that you're going to tell us,but now you offered like an 8 to
15 pounds a month weight loss.
Now I myself have given up onthe diet industry.

(36:44):
I don't believe that any dietlike I mean.
Yes, if you want to lose weight, you can follow a diet, but the
reality is your body will losethe weight if you do the right
thing, and diets to me, are notright.
So what do you Like?
What does your method offerthat is different from, like all
these other quick fix diets anddetoxes?

Speaker 3 (37:08):
So, and first off I'll say to Tina so eight to 15
pounds in a month and that'sreally our first month.
So we have the most weight loss, typically our first week,
honestly.
But the people that I work with, so I I have a five week
program or a 13 week program,but I will say consistently,

(37:32):
there are a lot of people thatlose around two pounds a week,
so that's a lot like.
So, going forward, after thatfirst month people can still be
well over a pound, close to twopounds a week, like and the so.
This is my disclaimer andessentially, like, the more
weight you have to lose, theeasier that is, and the more,
the more male you are, theeasier that is.

(37:54):
So the less weight we have tolose and the more we are women.
That, um, that's a little harderor lighter on one end of the
scale, but I would say what'sdifferent is that is that I call
it a mitochondrialreconstruction, like that's
what's different.

(38:15):
So meaning that we create thesedifferent, this different
metabolic underpinnings and whenthat's in place, it takes nine
to 10 days to get into a fatburning mode.
Once you're there, some of themarkers are less hunger, no

(38:35):
cravings, more energy, nocravings, more energy, better
sleep, better moods, um, slowedaging, which is like, not what
we're going to like you know, oh, tomorrow, you know I look like
this um, easier weight loss,harder weight gain, but the
whole thing with it is that,once you're situated, why this

(38:57):
is different is that we, wechange how you work.
So then it's like now this isyour body, like you still have
to do things to both deepen themode.
I'll just give you a fewtimelines that I hope are
interesting At three weeks,we're experiencing 80% of the

(39:20):
benefits that fat burning offers.
At six months, we'reexperiencing 90%, and at a year
plus, we're experiencing 100%.
So why this is different isbecause we create new, we create
the ability to use our fat forenergy, and so what ends up

(39:41):
happening is it's easy to eatless, it's easy to go for these
long stretches without food,which is where we're slowing
aging, which is where the bodyis healing itself.
This is where we're warding offlike mutant cells, like
cancerous cells.
Um, we don't have cravings, sowhen we're faced with like

(40:06):
chocolate, pizza, you know,whatever else might be like.
So our favorite we have carbfeasts.
Even so, it's like you knowwhat, today is Tuesday.
My carb feast is on Thursday, Ican hang in there.
I'm going to have that onThursday.
It's going to be great.
And this, like resets hormonesMaybe that's another piece

(40:26):
that's different.
Um, actually, I'll talk moreabout that in just a second.
Um, so we're not beholden tothese favorites, you know, these
treats.
We're not having this war again.
Oh, I want it, but I don't wantit.
Um, we're just so much calmerabout it Cause we don't have
cravings, we have an abundanceof energy, so it's not like

(40:49):
we're, you know, living on fumes, feeling weak, also.
What's different?
Also, what's different?
Insulin is such a consequentialhormone for health, but also

(41:11):
for weight.
So most diets potentiallyreduce carbohydrates, reduce
calories and often have peopleeating small meals frequently.
The downside to that is thatessentially, you're creating a
situation where you have insulinin your system frequently.
Why that matters?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
is yeah, because your digestive system is constantly
working right.
When you're eating eating thatway, like when you're eating
small.
Oh, I, maybe there's a leg inthe call here.
But when you eat constantlylike that, then your digestive
system doesn't really have timeto really work right.

(41:52):
As soon as it starts to finishand it gets more than it, then
it that that burning fire insideus doesn't stop.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Am I right?
Yes, and so maybe I think aboutthat regarding healing, like,
so if we're always used, soactually, if we're always using
so much energy on digestion, thebody just doesn't have the
bandwidth to do other things.
And then maybe, to your point,it's like one thing that could
stand potentially to have, um,some repair is our digestive

(42:26):
system.
So if we're always using it,then we kind of don't give it
the chance to to be healed byour body's nature.
Um, body's nature, um, whenwe're just giving it a moment,
um, what was I going to say?
Uh, but anyway, but insulin,insulin stores fat and it blocks

(42:48):
our fat from being able to beaccessed for energy.
So, so, and this was somethingthat I kind of like, it's like I
know these things, but somethings it's like oh, I don't
always put two and two together.
So insulin, the nature of it isto, essentially it's a

(43:09):
transportation hormone, so itmoves energy.
Either it either moves it into,keeps it in our bloodstream,
puts it in our muscle cells, itstores it, puts it in our liver,
stores it in our bloodstream,puts it in our muscle cells, it
stores it, puts it in our liver,stores it in fat cells.
And so, essentially, the moreinsulin you have in your system,
the more you will store theenergy that you have consumed,

(43:31):
the uh, the fuel that you haveconsumed, so you can eat the
same amount of food as someoneelse.
Someone who's insulin resistantmeans that they need more
insulin to do the same job, ormaybe they ate a ton of
carbohydrates, or they had areally big meal.
More insulin versus someonewho's insulin sensitive, meaning

(43:54):
that they have maybe lesscarbohydrates in their diet.
Maybe they are set up to usetheir own fat.
They will require less insulinand by the nature of that fact
alone, they will store less oftheir calories as fat.
And so it's like same meal,same, like individual for all

(44:18):
intents and purposes, butdifferent relationship to one
hormone.
So so there's that.
And then, essentially, if we'reeating small meals frequently
which again this is what a lotof diet or weight loss
approaches do You're keeping notonly you're using your
digestive system frequently, butyou're also keeping insulin in

(44:42):
your system frequently, and sothe other side to why we don't
want that in our system, inaddition to health things, is
that it just it blocks us frombeing able to use our own fat
for energy.
So it's like we're eitherrunning on food or we're running
on fat, and it's like you can'tdo both at the same time, and

(45:06):
so, um, so that's what I wouldsay like the biggest so a we.
We set up your body to workdifferently and, as a result of
that, you can do differentthings and your body just works
differently.
So then it's like, um, andpeople say it's like oh, my God,

(45:28):
I'm not hungry, you know, or Igot so much more full on so much
less.
Food Like this is nuts, likethis is like a head trip, and so
with traditional diets, evenjust the insulin fact, it's like
you're just fighting againstthe tide.
You know, it's like when you'rerunning on sugar, you're hungry

(45:49):
.
Frequently you're cravingcarbohydrates.
So what most people think isthis is hard.
You know, I have to go hungryIf I want to lose weight.
I can't eat the things that mybody is like, my brain is
yelling at me to.
You know, consume.
But when you're situateddifferently, it's like you don't

(46:11):
have the same experience andall of the things that you're
experiencing are so conducive toweight loss and to improved
health.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, I can see that and I mean I mean I don't really
want to discuss diets, right,because I think everyone has to
figure out what they, what worksfor them, the only thing that,
like, I mean there's so much towhat you just said, right,
because every body is builtdifferent.
Everybody is going to breakdown different, right, and but I

(46:44):
mean we have to generalize toknow what works.
Like I did intermittent fastingmyself for I over over two
years, right, like where I wouldeat before seven, you know, and
sometimes earlier, and then Iwouldn't eat again until 1030 in
the morning and I didn't loseany weight, but I continued
because I felt good, right, Ididn't miss the breakfast.

(47:06):
I didn't miss, like I didn'tmiss my morning food and you
know, snacking at night wasreally never good for me, so it
didn't harm me Until I went fora blood test and my doctor said,
okay, your liver doesn't likethe intermittent fasting.
And I was like what the helldoes my liver know?
Like it's doing less work,right?
I mean I don't know, I'm not adoctor, I don't really get how

(47:28):
the body works.
And then she said the way your,your liver is breaking down the
food that it is getting, you'reactually creating more sugar in
your body than what you shouldbe.
And I was like, okay, so Ididn't know that that's what
intermittent fasting was doingto me, which explained why I
wasn't losing weight.
But at the same time, I wasn'tdoing it for the weight, I was

(47:50):
doing it just to stop thecravings and the you know like,
just to eat less.
And you know, so, I didn't knowthat.
That's how it worked.
I didn't know that you know theliver would be.
I mean, you know, like I said,I'm not a doctor.
I didn't even think, you know,I was thinking more about the
cravings and it would stop that.
Now I was gonna say somethingelse about that.
Oh no, it just completely lost,left my brain.

(48:14):
So, anyway, I didn't know, likeI didn't know all this right,
and now I kind of feel and whenI said that to the doctor that I
didn't really get that she saidthat it's not that intermittent
doesn't fasting or intermittentfasting doesn't work.
What she said was, as we age,our body works differently,
right?
Our metabolism slows down.

(48:35):
You know, of course, I'm goingthrough the perimenopause stage.
Our hormones, like my hormones,right now, they're not level
because of the change, and sothat's probably.
I mean they don't know, I meanthere's probably no way for them
to know unless they, you know,studied me for six months.
But you know there's no way toknow.
And so they think that that'swhat it was.

(48:56):
You know, because there's somany different things going on,
that that's how it was affectedand I so now this intermittent
fasting, I still like it.
I mean, I still wish I would doit, but I do try to eat, like
more in the morning, like I tryto eat a little bit earlier, but
I I feel now like I don't wantbreakfast, which is so weird for
me.

(49:17):
That used to be my favorite mealof the day, right and so now.
I'm like I don't know what todo.
I don't know what to eat, so Iusually just have food.
So I don't know if that's thebest thing for me, like if I've
already got a lot of sugar in mybody and now I'm going and I'm
putting sugar in, that thatcould be good, right.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I, I wouldn't think so.
Yeah, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, and we're not here to talk about my issues.
I just, you know, when you wereexplaining that, I was like,
okay, but still doesn't answermy question about the sugar and
the intermittent fasting.
But you know, I know thatthat's just a bunch of like
research that I need to dobecause I know, like I like what
you eat and what I eat, it'sgoing to affect us differently,
right, you, you and I could havethe exact same food for two

(50:04):
weeks.
You might lose weight, I mightgain weight or, you know,
nothing might happen for both ofus.
There's no way to know, becauseour bodies are so different.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Well, you know, I'll say this, Tina, this is my
opinion.
In many respects.
I think that we're we might becoming from a different place,
but for all intents and purposes, unless something is like
radically different in eitherone of us, in the for the most
part we're all pretty similar,similar, so we can start at

(50:37):
different places, but we're allkind of made to work the same
way, you know.
So it's like again, so itdoesn't mean that, it doesn't
mean that different people don'tneed different considerations
based on where they are.
But in my opinion, we can allkind of get to the same place

(50:57):
based on what we do.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
So of course, right.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
So yes, yep, so yes, to like having the having a
consideration based on wheresomeone is beginning, and I
think I think this is my littlelike Instagram fitness
influencer rant right here.
Um, I personally think what Ieat in a day posts are like

(51:23):
utterly bullshit, like I can'tget over how useless they are
for like the, a casual observer.
So typically when we look atyou know some like fit, like
semi-professional athletecrossfitter.
When we're looking, when wefollow them because we like

(51:44):
their physique perhaps, or welike what they share about their
lifestyle or they're, you know,inspiring to us in some
capacity and when they sharewhat they eat in a day, whomever
it is, it's like it's somisleading because that body
functions differently based onwhat they do.
And one just like teeny littlething that I hope like helps

(52:07):
anyone that listens to this.
When you lift weights, I hope weall lift weights like someday,
soon and forever.
But the more you lift weights,the more muscle mass you have,
the more insulin receptor sitesyou have, the more place you
have to put sugar to put energyand the nature of lifting

(52:31):
weights potentially, howeverintensely you're doing this,
however often you're doing it,will tend to have an increased
need for carbohydrates Plusinsulin is actually a really
great muscle building hormone.
It has like a bad rap forweight lot, for weight gain and
for health, but it's also likein addition to testosterone,

(52:51):
it's actually like the bestmuscle building hormone if we're
using this strategicallybuilding hormone.
If we're using thisstrategically.
So when we look at someonewho's very lean, who's super
muscular, who works out hours aday and shows us they're like
you know a side berry bowl andtwo pieces of toast with peanut
butter, and then I had half anavocado, you know my like 40

(53:15):
meals that totaled like 3000calories.
And it's just like it's soconfusing If we don't have that
additional lens of who am I like?
How does how do I operate?
What do I do regularly?
What am I?
Where am I going?
Not what am I maintaining?
So I think that once again,we're all.

(53:37):
All roads can lead to Rome, butwhere we're starting can be
radically different where movingforward means we get better.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Not right, because I mean we're always getting better
.
But when you have weight tolose, right, you need to get to
a certain level before you canget, you know, like the
bodybuilder body or the you knowlike it doesn't just happen
like you have to lose the weightand then, once you lose the
weight and you get your bodyfunctioning to a point where it
can now gain the muscle or gainthe you know.
So it's a life, it's an entire.

(54:22):
That's where I get thelifestyle change right.
It's not you can't.
I'm not working towards being alife bodybuilder, I'm working
towards, you know, workingtowards it right, like I have to
get to this level before I canget to that.
Yeah, I get that.
I get that.
Yeah, I mean, when we talk body, I mean I mean, let's face it,

(54:43):
when we talk how the body works,we can be here for hours, right
, because there's so much toknow.
Our bodies are amazing, amazingmachines, right, and so we
can't know everything.
First of all, this is this isone thing that I have learned,
because every time you think, oh, wow, I'm so amazed at how the
body works, something else comesat me like, oh, my god, I

(55:04):
didn't know we could do thatright.
Like, so I think we know fooddiets, you know that that's how
we fuel our body, but there'salso other things to, um, what's
the word I'm looking for?
Like to to understand, right,it's not.
I mean, yes, it's the food, butit's also the other things that
our body needs.

(55:25):
Right, and like, yes, we knowthe basics, the movement, the
food, the, the vitamins andsupplements.
Like, we know that we need thatstuff, but what we don't fully
understand is what happens whenwe have all that stuff, right,
and who works for who?
Yeah, yeah, I love.
I mean, I want to ask you amillion more questions, honestly

(55:46):
, you know, so we might have todo this again because I think
you know,just knowing and understanding
how.
Because intermittent fasting, Imean that's that's a 40 minute
conversation alone, becausethere's so much to know about it
.
You know and I know, like whenI did it, I mean that's that's a
40 minute conversation alonebecause there's so much to know
about it.
You know and I know, like whenI did it, I just it wasn't about
.
You know, I didn't watch mycalories or watch my food intake
as much as I focused on we'renot eating between this time,

(56:11):
right, and I didn't do like itwas what 1212 hours, I think it
was about 12.
It wasn't quite 16.
I know that.
So it was about, you know, 12to 12 to 15 hours was what I was
doing, right, and I know that.
You know.
Obviously there's the extendedfast, like you talked about in
your bio, like 36 to 48 hours.

(56:31):
I wouldn't even attempt thatLike, honestly I.
You know I it's not something Iwould want to do, but I know
that it works Right.
I know that you work.
You know I it's not something Iwould want to do, but I know
that it works right.
I know that you work, you knowyou walk people through it.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
So you understand that, yes, Thank you.
But one thing I will say islike, for all of my again, my
opinion, my experience, for allof these different tactics or
techniques, I guess if you'resituated in a certain way, it

(57:06):
will be not only possible butcomfortable, and so I.
That's one thing that I feelvery strongly about.
Like, intermittent fasting, Ifeel like is an amazing tool,
Like I do it every day, I eatonce a day, but I didn't start
there and so it's like and Ithink for anybody it's very like

(57:27):
.
We kind of hear about, you know,the, the, the, the concentrated
thing, this is the thing to do.
You know, these have, it, hasthese benefits, but it's like,
well, what about all of thestuff to do before we can do
this so that our body is reallyable to utilize our fat?

(57:49):
We understand, um, what do Iwant to say?
Even just like, what windowworks best for us?
Like, uh, you know, mealfrequency, like I just think
that there's so much that cancome before the thing that that
has the, like, the, that's theshiny object, you know, it's

(58:09):
like it's good to fast forlonger.
It's like, well, it does haveall these benefits.
But if you're running on sugarand used to eating multiple
times a day and you havecravings and you're hungry a lot
or you even have energetic dips, it's like that's so
unreasonable, that's crazy, Likeokay.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
So, yeah, that brings me to ask you is that something
like if I just decided today?
Like let's say, you know, Ihave my supper tonight and I
decide, from starting tomorrowI'm going to eat one meal a day
and that's going to be at noonand I'm only going to eat at
noon, now I might that mealcould be 3000 calories, it could
be 20 calories and you know,whatever, whatever it's going to

(58:50):
be, but I'm not going to eatnow until 12 o'clock every day.
I only eat at noon every singleday.
So you're telling me that mybody will probably only burn
sugar If I did that.
Like there's a process for meto get to make it burn the fat
and the sugar in those 24 hours.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Your body.
If you did not give it food, itwould figure out how to burn
fat, so like because you'redesigned to do this.
So if you were like you know,even I'm not going to eat
tomorrow like it wouldpotentially be uncomfortable but
you could do it.
So, and the same goes foreating once.

(59:36):
So you might be hungry.
You normally eat at 1030.
You're going to eat at noon.
Maybe you're a little hungry.
You eat at noon.
Maybe you start to get hungryagain at like four or five.
It's nine o'clock.
I want to go to bed.
Jesus Christ, that's the stuff.
So it's like the body's likewhere's my sugar?

(59:59):
Like I haven't been groomed tocomfortably just switch to
running on fat.
So so typically what?
What I hear a lot, what I see alot, is that people make a
decision I'm not going to eat,I'm only going to eat once
tomorrow, I'm not going to eatat all tomorrow, I'm going to
fast for 10 days, like.

(01:00:20):
People just say, like crazystuff, you know, regardless of
where they are, and then whattypically happens is they just
get uncomfortable, they'll feellightheaded, they'll feel weak,
because a there's often amineral imbalance when we have
lower levels of insulin andwe're not used to it and our

(01:00:41):
body hasn't.
Like like, insulin takes moreenergy out of our bloodstream
and stores it as either likesugar in our muscles, sugar in
our liver, fat in our fat cells.
So, essentially, the moreinsulin we have on the regular

(01:01:05):
in our bodies, the higher levelswe have, the more hungry we'll
be and the less energy we'llhave.
So if you're from thatenvironment and then we just
take food away, the thing that Iwanted to say here is that when
insulin lowers, sodium alsolowers, and so it's like that's

(01:01:27):
where headaches come in, that'swhere weakness comes in, and so
it's like that's where headachescome in, that's where weakness
comes in, and so it's like it'sa mineral thing.
But yet, if you, if you knowwhat to do, like this is kind of
like it's both positioning andthen it's education, so everyone
can burn fat.

(01:01:48):
But what most people do is theyjust do a jump off the cliff
situation I'm just going to wiremy jaw shut, I'm just going to
do this, and then they getuncomfortable, slash, feel bad,
to the tune that it's like theysay screw this.
And they eat, and they ofteneat the stuff that's like

(01:02:08):
highest glycemic, highest sugar,most easily available sugar,
because the body wants quickfuel, so it ends up just being
this like process of like.
I want to say it's like itbecomes not just worthless, but
it becomes counterproductive.

(01:02:30):
So that's what I try to prevent.
So it's like because we're allmade to do this, but we just
want to do it well, and then,when we're situated, we can do
it comfortably.
We can have this win-winsituation.
We can have the desire to do itagain because it wasn't
unpleasant, and now we know howto do it, kind of like precisely

(01:02:54):
for us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Right, right, exactly , and then we want to do it well
, but we also want to do itright, and learning what's right
is what's the most difficult.
Right, from my experience, Imean, I've been, you know,
around the block a few times.
I get it right, like there's somany different ways of getting
it right, you know, but it'sfinding that right that we have

(01:03:18):
to, like, work so hard for right.
I mean, yes, I mean I've beenon a million diets, right, I
know, I know.
Right, we all know the conceptof losing weight eat less, do
more right, but at the same time, it's the foods that you're
choosing that matter more thaneating less.
Right, you know, you know youreceive all seen those pictures

(01:03:41):
where there's, you know, this is1000 calories.
One is, you know, like it's allyou know, salad and you know,
maybe a steak or whatever it is.
Or there's the bowl of cookiesthat has four cookies in it.
Right, like, we all, we've allseen those pictures, right, but
it's, it's, you know, somepeople don't like steak, some
people, like I, don't likevegetables, in all honesty,

(01:04:04):
right, so in order for me to eata salad, it's, it's tough,
right, I do it because I knowit's good for me, but I don't
love it Right, so I think that'swhere I'm you know, if that's
the hard part for me, Right, Imean, you know.
Ok, you could say to me Tina,you know you want to lose weight
, you want to.
You know, get more energy, youwant to do this, eat this for

(01:04:26):
the next five days, get moreenergy, you want to do this, eat
this for the next five days.
I'll do it, but not with myheart.
Right, I'm doing it becauseit's going to be right and to me
, like it has to be a little bitof both, right, like I have to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah absolutely, yeah , I mean like I said, we can
like I'm loving thisconversation, but I you know, I
don't want to over, like I don'twant to overkill the time here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
No, that's perfect, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Many more questions right I do have many more
questions based on that, but Iwant to get more into what like
you do specifically.
Now you are offering an ebookthat we're going to add to the
show links at the end, and it'scalled power and pain.
I want to know what's theconnection between, like
physical pain and fate loss, fatloss and how, like how, can

(01:05:16):
healing pain create some kind ofresult when it comes to like
fat loss, or is that, is itconnected?
Is it related Like, or am Ilike just blowing wind up, you
know, up the pipe?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
That's okay.
I think it's.
I think it's not really related, but what I will say?
Um, if exercise is somethingthat is useful for, like,
actually, a lot of the peoplethat I work with don't even
exercise, so you don't need toexercise to lose weight, like

(01:05:55):
period Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
So I know that to be true as like an obese person,
right, as an obese person, likeobese people do not have to
exercise to lose weight.
Right, we like that's beenproven, Right.
But there comes a time whereyou know like, if you're in your
last say, 20 to lose weightright, we like that's been
proven right.
But there comes a time whereyou know like, if you're in your
last say, 20 to 40 pounds ofweight loss, isn't movement
going to help move that along,Just to get you out of a plateau

(01:06:20):
?
Or yeah, okay, so I'm not, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I mean exercise is absolutely helpful, but it is
not.
It is not essential.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
So I think you're the first person in the world to
ever tell me that.
And you know what, honestly,like I feel like I've worked
with many women that were likelike gym Queens, like wanted
their you know, high intensityboot camp, like just like let's
have a sweat fest and like killourselves that is actually often

(01:06:56):
not useful.
Like that will jack up cortisoland with it, adrenaline.
It'll reinforce a sugar burningmode.
So you can use, like I thinkhigh intensity intervals can be
great if used strategically.
I'm a huge fan of walking andlifting weights, but again, it's
like you don't.
Consistency will, like you know, take you to another land, but

(01:07:21):
it's not essential for weightloss.
I do think it's.
I think it's essential for likerobust health.
I do think it's.
I think it's essential for likerobust health.
I think that the fastest way tofeel old is to get weak.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
So therefore, the best way to stay feeling
youthful is to stay strong.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
And then I also think that makes sense.
But you know, I'll say twohere's my crazy two things
regarding like, because vanitydrives me really.
So it's like you know I talkabout like looking younger,
feeling better, living longer,but it's like hopefully, like if

(01:08:04):
we can have more of what wewant, like let's do that.
So, regarding I'll say, likeyou know, spot reduction, like,
say, we have, when you said,like the last, however many
pounds I've got, this like, weall store weight, we all store
fat in certain spots on ourbodies, like some people you
know, in their belly, theirthighs, like wherever, there's

(01:08:25):
always a spot that's like lastto go or the hardest to get into
.
So two tactics for spotreduction, which I think is a it
is a hundred percent, a realthing, which is maybe to your
point, like when we're gettingnear the end of where what we
want to lose, to be wherever wewant to be, um, fasting slightly
longer, fast can actually helpwith that.

(01:08:46):
And then I would say exercise,um like either like a deliberate
way to strength train and orI'm going to say that actually
you can spot reduce with umhaving a certain approach to
your weightlifting and so sothose things I feel like you
know, if we're having a hardtime getting into like the last

(01:09:08):
little bits, I feel like youknow, if we're having a hard
time getting into like the lastlittle bits, um, fasting can
absolutely help, and thenstrength training and or like
exercise it's just another.
Like I talk with my fat burner,so there's five parts to fat
burning.
I didn't say the last one andthat was detoxification.
So we're all, that's okay,that's all right.

(01:09:30):
Um, there's so much to say,tina.
Um, so we're all strong, we'reall stronger in one of these,
one or more of these departments, and we all aren't as strong
and others.
So one thing I like toemphasize is to leverage our
strengths just to offset ourweaknesses.

(01:09:51):
So it's like some of us arerock stars with getting to bed,
you know, and having super solidsleep.
Some of us, like you know, uh,don't use food for emotional
reasons, or never drink alcohol,or, you know, are really
consistent with our supplements,or some of us, like, enjoy a
beverage every day.
Like it's all different.

(01:10:11):
So my big thing is, becausethere are so many angles to
weight loss, we just don't haveto be perfect at all of them,
but if we are aware of how toleverage where we are strong and
how to offset the stuff thatwe're not so great.
It's like it just gives us afighting chance, which I think
is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I love that, I love that and I, and, like you said,
I mean it's different foreveryone but the same for
everyone, right, like it'sreally a kind of that's what you
said right, yeah, I love thatNow when we kind of touched a
little bit about the feeling oldand now.
So I'm at the age now where I'mhearing this is part of the age

(01:10:56):
right, and I'm so tired ofhearing it right Because I, like
, I mean, I look at the numberright.
When I, when I look at thenumber of my age, I remember,
like when my mom, when myparents, turned this age and I
remember thinking, oh my god,they're so old.
Right now I look at them andthey're yeah, 25, 30 years older

(01:11:20):
and I think now they're old,like I see they're.
I mean they're not old, I thinkthey're doing you know they're
doing.
Sure, they don't have theenergy that they had, you know,
30 years ago, you know, but Ilook at them and I see their age
is older, right?
And I don't know that I had adefinition of old, right, you

(01:11:41):
know, because when you're a kidyou know anybody who's an adult
is old, right.
And then you become an adultand you think, well, that's not
that old.
And it's kind of the same nowthat I'm in that age group where
you know, like menopausal forwomen, right, so fifties, you
know like and I look at myparents what is old, like,

(01:12:01):
really what, what does feelingold really mean?
Right, because, like you know,I you always heard oh, it's just
an age, age, like, it's just anumber.
You know you're as old as youfeel, like what, what exactly
does that mean?
I guess that's an opinionatedquestion, right, because what to
you?
What does that mean?
What?

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
uh, feeling old is feeling weak, tired, I would
think, um, I would just say like, yeah, not really like
physically able, um, uh, feelingfragile, like that's, and that

(01:12:47):
kind of goes along with weakness.
Um, yeah, I, that's what Iwould say like to, yeah, to feel
, to feel fragile, like in somecapacity that you're like, you
know not, you get impacted,whether that's like you know,
you can't kind of tolerate, Idon't know, a variety of

(01:13:10):
environments, or you get sickreally easily, but like, but
again, that's about health.
So the first thing I said isabout strength, which is
independent of age, and theother one is about health, which
is independent of age.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
So, exactly, so if I came to you and I said, michaela
, I need you to help me.
Right, I feel old.
Right Now you're you, you cansee me, so you can see what I
physically need?
Clearly, right, you can see ifI, you know how I walk, you know
, you can see the extra weight.
You can see.
You know, like, by looking atmy face, you can.
You don't tell that you know Ineed something.

(01:13:44):
Right, I'm, you know,physically.
We look at someone and say youneed to walk more, you need to
move your body more, right, youknow that.
Right, you must have a list ofquestions, though, that are like
okay, well, let's start here.
Right, what do you really need?
What do you take for vitamins?
Because that's that's yourthing.
Right Is, let's start off withvitamins and nutrition, am I

(01:14:05):
right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Well, it's that like, like I just call it like the
holy trinity, and so it's like,ultimately it's.
You know, I, if those were yourwords, like I feel old, it's
like I would ask what that meantto you, you know.
So it's like, whatever,whatever those that indication

(01:14:28):
was for you that you wanted tochange.
Um, so that could involve, likereally specific recommendations
.
But in general, that HolyTrinity my term of like diet and
what I'm really talking about,there is either like a lower
carbohydrate diet or a lowerglycemic diet, which means that

(01:14:51):
you're just having, um morecomplex carbohydrates,
carbohydrates that have morefiber, um, so we're either
having slightly lowercarbohydrates and potentially
slightly higher fat, or we'rehaving slightly more
carbohydrates and slightly lowerfat, and hopefully both groups

(01:15:13):
are having a good amount ofprotein.
And then we're exercising andlike so that to me, at the bare
minute, like walking and liftingweights, and that doesn't have
to be anything complicated orsuper lengthy, but doing some

(01:15:33):
sort of like resistance workwith consistency, and then
vitamins and minerals, and soit's like so I feel like
everyone needs to do that, andso exactly how that takes shape,
I think could be dependent onthe individual, but then you
fine tune, and so it's like donot pass go.
Like if you want to not feel old, feel better, like be healthier

(01:15:57):
, like bottom line, those arethe three things to do.
And then it's like you know,I'd like to lose weight but I've
been eating in a highercarbohydrate, more frequent meal
diet.
It's like, well, all right,like you know.
Then maybe I think fat burningis like one-stop shopping really
for all of this, whether it'sweight loss or health or slowing

(01:16:20):
aging, but anyway so.
So that's kind of thefoundation and then adjusting it
based on the individual'spreference, their desires.
And then it's like maybe thereare more specific things that
would be suitable for you inyour goals, but that's kind of

(01:16:44):
like a foundational necessity, Ifeel like, for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Okay, yeah, Okay, that that makes more sense, and
I'm actually glad that youanswered it that way, because I
think there's too many like we.
We want a quick answer, right,we want a quick fix all the time
, but we need to understand, andI think we really need to.
You know, I guess understandand embody Nothing is anything

(01:17:14):
that's too easy.
It's too good to be true, Right,and we're hearing more and more
about the what do they sayGLP-1 medicine, and you know,
like I'm not saying that, likewhat you're saying is, too, is
hard or difficult, right, like Ithink, once you get into the
routine of you know your health,you know rituals, right, then

(01:17:34):
it becomes easy.
Right, it'd be like it starts.
It might start off difficult,depending on where you are right
now, but, as you, you know, youmake it work for yourself,
right, and I think that's whatthis comes down to, right, and I
, as any habit any, right, and Ithink that's what this comes
down to, right, and as any habitany, any lifestyle change,
right, you have to make it easyfor yourself, you know, and

(01:17:54):
that's it.
It has to be on the individual.
Right, we have to, like you know, own that, yeah, definitely.
I have one more question foryou.
Yes, if any of our listenersare feeling stuck or inflamed,
tired, discouraged, what is thefirst small step that you would

(01:18:16):
have them take today?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
And so, tina, do you mean discouraged with about
weight, discouraged about howthey feel?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I'm, I know I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I don't want to go wait, so I'm just thinking with
their health in general,whatever is ailing them so
honestly like, so honestly likefirst I was going to say sleep,

(01:18:57):
but I would say truthfully, likeif, with their health and they
want to like feel some bigchange, like a pharmaceutical
grade multivitamin, like that's,that can be such a game changer
for people.
It is a game changer, but, um,that, uh, that is something that

(01:19:24):
essentially it's like I'll askTina to leave the company, the
company or my link for thecompany that I've been using for
20 years that I use with my fatburners, but essentially a
pharmaceutical grademultivitamin, and while that
means is that that supplementcompany has voluntarily decided

(01:19:45):
to adhere to the same standardsthat a drug company has to, and
what that means is it'sguaranteed to be free from
contaminants.
What's on the bottle isactually in the bottle and
supplements aren't regulated sothey don't have to do that.
That it's guaranteed toactually break down.

(01:20:05):
Most supplements are made forshelf life, and that means that
a lot of them pass through usversus actually break down.
Most supplements are made forshelf life and that means that a
lot of them pass through usversus actually break down to go
to get where they're going.
Um, pharmaceutical grade againneeds to break down within 30
minutes and then it's like thenext level is you look for a
company that has science behindit, um, that they do research on

(01:20:26):
their formulations, thatthey've done studies on their
formulations, and then, lastly,you try it and you see how you
feel.
Because, tina, you saidsomething about in terms of you
didn't say, you didn't use theword experiment.
But ultimately, that is what wehave to do.

(01:20:48):
We get educated, we, you know,we kind of established like this
might be a good choice, thiscould be helpful, and then we
have to do it, we have to checkit out and for, um, you know, a
supplement.
Our blood supply getsreplenished every three months.
So if you're someone that it'slike I want to see what my zinc

(01:21:09):
levels, my vitamin D, you know,like I want to look at my whole
profile, give yourself threemonths and then you will see
what this is actually doing toyou.
But in the meantime, within amonth, you should feel typically
more energy, you don't get sickas much, you feel better, and

(01:21:30):
I've had people that it's like Idon't take my blood pressure
medication anymore.
You know, I got off of thismedication that I've been
wanting to again not a doctor,not a scientist, but it's like
when the body is supported,especially with something like
that that's going to reduceinflammation, that's going to
help heal the body with, um,basically, vitamins and minerals

(01:21:50):
, that are the tools that ourcells need to heal us, we just
tend to feel better, look better, um, so that can be a.
Really, it's as simple astaking a pill, but it's one
that's not going to burden yourliver or give you adverse side
effects.
Um, you know, in the short orthe longterm, but I would say

(01:22:10):
that's probably the mostpowerful thing.
And then I would say like um,there's so many things, there's
so many things to do, but, um,you know, getting more sleep,
getting to bed earlier, um.
And I would also say like, uh,again, you know, I, I help

(01:22:36):
people change their physiologyso that they function better.
But I would say, like, startwith a multivitamin and then
maybe two additional things.
It's like the earlier you go tobed, the more you will have, um
, you will have more humangrowth hormone released into
your body.

(01:22:56):
That show half.
It starts earlier in the nightand it's like the action really
happens 10, 11, 12.
We want to be in bed at leastan hour before that.
Human growth hormone isconsidered our fountain of youth
.
It helps with weight loss,healthy testosterone levels,
which helps with muscle mass andconfidence and libido, staves

(01:23:18):
off anxiety and depression.
Testosterone is a great hormoneto have in a healthy amount.
Uh, it's considered ourfountain of youth.
It staves off illness anddisease.
And then I would say, likemitigating stress so what we
talked about earlier you feel apop of stress that is meant to

(01:23:41):
give you quick fuel to fight orto flee.
So pump your arms, do jumpingjacks, do squats, squeeze your
butt, cheeks, flutter your legs,use that energy really quickly.
And then the flip side of thatis to keep focusing on shit that

(01:24:03):
feels good, stuff that is fun.
Whether that's like I'm lookingat a comedy, stuff that is fun,
whether that's like I'm lookingat a comedy clip, um, but the
more pleasure you have in yourlife, like the better you will
function and feel, the betterlife will be.
We are really like the purposeof life is joy, hands down like
really Um, and so I would saylike that's like the biggest

(01:24:25):
umbrella.
Um, if you want to feel better,have more pleasure and less
stress.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Yeah, Not that that's an easy task, right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yes, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
We're all so used to being busy and stressed that it
is.
It's a hard switch to make, butI do agree with you that is the
switch we need to make.
Yeah, absolutely well, thankyou so much for this, michaela.
This has been great.
We definitely went over ourtime, but this has been like I
said.
I have so many more questionsthat I want to ask you because I

(01:25:01):
, you know, there's just so muchthat you're you're giving us
here, you know.
So I mean you and I willdefinitely be chatting again,
but I, you know, thank you somuch for for sharing the what
you have shared with us today.
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