May 22, 2025 • 49 mins
Today’s guest, Gwen Gardner is an absolute force of resilience and heart. She’s the Chief Chick, founder, and designer behind Simply Chickie Clothing — a brand born from a week that changed everything: a breast cancer diagnosis and the discovery she was pregnant… all in the same week.
What followed was a radical lifestyle shift, a commitment to clean living, and the creation of a company that blends humor, heart, and health-conscious values into adorable organic baby clothes.
We’re diving into Gwen’s story of healing, entrepreneurship, and what it really means to live with intention — for yourself, your family, and the future.
Let’s get into it.
What happens when your world turns upside down in a single week? For Gwen Gardner, founder of Simply Chicking Clothing, learning she was pregnant one day and diagnosed with breast cancer the next became the catalyst for complete transformation. Instead of surrendering to fear, Gwen made a powerful declaration: "There is no way I'm going to die while creating life."
This pivotal moment sparked a journey into clean living that changed everything. As Gwen researched ways to protect her health and her growing baby, she discovered the shocking truth about conventional cotton - that it's treated with seven carcinogenic chemicals originally developed as nerve agents during wartime. This revelation led her to create Simply Chicking Clothing, an organic baby clothing company featuring humorous, gender-neutral designs printed with eco-friendly inks on certified organic cotton.
Twenty years later, Gwen's products have become legendary for their longevity. Parents regularly share stories of passing these garments through multiple children or even saving them for grandchildren. While initially more expensive than conventional options, these heirloom-quality pieces prove economical over time while keeping textiles out of landfills.
Building a business as a single mother required incredible resilience and community support. Gwen shares practical wisdom about finding your tribe, maximizing productive hours (her "six to nine club" in the morning), and the power of asking for help. Her perspective on confidence - that it parallels vulnerability in recognizing our shared human struggles - offers comfort to anyone facing challenges.
Whether you're navigating a health crisis, considering entrepreneurship, or simply trying to make more conscious lifestyle choices, Gwen's story demonstrates how our greatest challenges can reveal our true purpose. Join us for this powerful conversation about resilience, clean living, and creating positive change through conscious business practices.
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One just has to pick up a magazine or turn on a
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No wonder female bodyconfidence is falling while
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come to realize how wonderfullife is when you stand in your
own power, feeling fantastic inyour own skin.
Today, gwen Gardner is my guest.
Gwen Gardner is an absoluteforce of resilience and heart.
She's the chief chick founderof designer, founder and
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designer behind Simply ChickingClothing, a brand born from a
week that changed everything abreast cancer diagnosis and the
discovery she was pregnant allin the same week.
What followed was a radicallifestyle shift, a commitment to
clean living and the creationof a company that blends humor,
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heart and health consciousvalues into adorable, organic
baby clothes.
We're diving into Gwen's storyof healing entrepreneurship and
what it really means to livewith intention for yourself,
your family and the future.
Let's get into it.
All right.
Welcome Gwen.
How are you today?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Great, so lovely to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Tina, yes, it's so nice to have you here.
I want to start at thebeginning.
You've had an incrediblylife-changing week.
Can you walk us through howyour diagnosis and pregnancy
intersected and what that waslike for you?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Sure, so over 20 years ago now, I decided to move
out from my boyfriend, but Iwasn't feeling well, and so on
Monday I went to the doctor, andthe next day I found out that I
was pregnant, but then the nextday I found out that I had
(03:42):
breast cancer.
So yeah, so it was quite a week.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So the same doctor, same appointment, found two
different things.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So I had had, like a mammogram the week before with a
different doctor and I hadgotten the call back to go in
basically on a Wednesday.
So I went to my regular doctoron Monday Obviously they do
tests and the next day I foundout I was pregnant.
(04:14):
But then I was already on acall back from the previous week
because they didn't like how itlooked.
So that's when I went in like,oh, so 20 years ago ago you were
young.
So I, yeah, it was.
It was 20 years ago, um,actually like more closer to 21,
because my daughter just turned20, that's how I know how long
(04:37):
I've been in business.
Um, so, yeah, so that was, thatwas quite a while ago, and
that's when I started looking athow I was living, what I was
eating, what I was washing myclothes with Cause, you cause,
you know, when you get adiagnosis like that, you're like
, oh, what can I do?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, yeah, and the thing is, when we like what
affects our body, is absolutelyeverything right, like all the
five major senses right.
What we're listening to, whatwe're eating, what we're
touching, what we're seeing, allof it like it's all.
So I can see.
I mean, I don't you know.
Like, when you said that youhad to change your laundry soap,
(05:19):
I was like, well, it's onlylaundry soap, but the reality is
right, everything that touchesour body in any way, create, can
create disease.
If we're not you know, I don'tknow, I don't know what the word
is if we're not like, if we'renot filtering it in some way
right, and I'm sure you learnedthat.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, it, everything you know, really impacts your
health, like what, everythingthat's coming into your
environment basically.
And so that's when I startedkind of looking at organic in
all ways possible.
And back then it was a littlemore difficult.
You know you had kind of theorganic food movement.
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You know you had kind of theorganic food movement and so
that was that was easier.
But in every other area itreally was you kind of had to
dig.
And so I was involved withanother women's group and she
had breast cancer and she haddeveloped lotions and things
that you, you know, can put onyour skin.
So she and she said she's likewell, you realize, stuff that
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gets, you know, on your body canbe absorbed in like under 20
seconds.
And I'm like, oh, so I startedthinking about what was I
putting on my skin?
What was I washing my clotheswith?
What was I washing my disheswith?
But I have a sense of humor andwhile I'm growing this child
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and dealing with the cancer, Ithought, well, I should start a
business because I'm going tohave so much time like nursing
this child.
Because I really didn't thinkpositively when I got that
diagnosis.
I said there is no way that I'mgoing to die while I'm creating
life.
It's just not going to happen.
So, I just put on a superpositive and mindset and and
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move forward in that way.
So I started then, because Iwas a teacher, I started
researching cotton and textilesand what I could print my funny
little sayings on, and that'swhen I found out the dirty
secret of regular conventionalcotton is one of the most
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polluting crops in the world andI thought because, because of
the insecticides and pesticidesthat are sprayed on the regular
cotton crop to get rid of allthose insects and bull weevils
and all of that, you know,obviously gets into our water
and I was like, oh, so we'reactually drinking this stuff.
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People who live close to thosefarms or who farm them
definitely have higher cancerrates and their skin, they have
skin issues.
So I sought out organic cottonand back then it was incredibly
difficult to find, of course, Ifound a California company
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because I just feel like they'reon the forefront of a lot.
It's a big state and they'vebeen organic for a long time.
So I found a California companyand started using their blanks
to print with my eco-friendlyink, basically, and then I no
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longer use that company, but Iuse a company out of New York
and then I print here in RhodeIsland, so I feel it's a super
clean product.
I don't compromise.
My product is more expensivebut it lasts.
I have people because I've beenaround for a long time.
(09:01):
I love the story of a dad whowalked up with his 13 year old.
He pointed at a particulardesign and said oh my gosh, he's
like.
You realize, all of ourchildren have worn that and
we're keeping it for ourgrandchildren Because they last.
They don't fall apart.
(09:21):
So they're actually initiallythey're more expensive, but
they're more economical in thelong run.
In the long run because they'renot gonna really end up in a
landfill, right, right, exactly,and and yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I love that Because I mean, well, I had twins boy,
girl twins and you know I wasn'tsure if I was going to have
more.
I did save a lot of my clothes,right.
So you know, I did have anotherone on a boy, so I saved all
the boy clothes and it got ridof all the girl clothes you know
after.
But I saved them.
I.
They're five years apart.
(09:56):
I saved all those clothes forfive years.
It was crazy, but you know, Ican, I can relate with that.
You know, like, who doesn'twant to buy one shirt and let it
pass down?
You know through three or fivekids, right, and then, and I
mean even generations, I mean,who doesn't want that?
I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, and, and most of most of my designs are gender
neutral, so it doesn't matterLike.
A boy can wear them, a girl canwear them a human can wear them
.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, that's even better.
That's even better.
I know I've seen a few of yourshirts, like on Instagram.
I follow you and I see it likeI've seen your a few of your
designs.
Is there a chick like a littlebaby chick on all of your, your
outfits?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
chick, like a little baby chick, on all of your
outfits.
So one of my most populardesigns is actually a little
chick coming out of an egg andit's just hatched.
So that's a really popular one,for boys or girls.
I have a lobster and it sayslocal catch.
It's in red.
Of course it could be boy girl.
I have a little miniaturegolfer symbol of course boy girl
.
I have a couple of poems whichare very popular and then my
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brand is on the inside of thetag, of course, and that's my
little chick.
But there are a variety ofdifferent designs on the front.
But yes, I do have a littlechick coming out of an egg.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I love that.
Yeah, that is super cute, super.
Now I want to talk a little bitmore about you know, like the
organic side of it and that thehealthy side of it.
When now you we were talkingkind of a little bit of you know
everything that touches ourbody, what were some of the
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biggest surprises I mean youmentioned about how you know
cotton is one of the highest,I'm going to say I'm going to
use the word poisoned because Idon't remember your exact term
what other surprises did youcome across when you were doing
all your research?
Changes that you had to make inyour everyday life?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah.
So I mean, if you just startthinking about what gets into
our water because we're, youknow it's groundwater and we're,
we're eventually, you know,drinking that that's why so many
people filter their water sowhat was I washing my skin with?
(12:34):
First of all, that's going togo onto my skin.
So I was looking for, you know,natural soaps, because that, of
course, is going to go on to mybody.
Of course, a little bit will beabsorbed, it's going to run
into the water and then out intothe world, and so eventually,
(12:54):
you know we're drinking itessentially.
And then what am I washing myclothes with?
Because the clothes are rinsedand that goes into the water and
, you know, out into the world.
But also it's on the clothes.
So I'm then putting thoseclothes on my body and they're
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sitting there like all day andsweating, and so where, where is
that going?
So it was, it was just thinkingabout all of the products that
I am ingesting or going on to myskin or my child's skin.
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You know, obviously I, I thinka lot of moms and dads think
about, think, think about theworld differently when they have
a child.
They're like, oh, my gosh, allof a sudden like, oh, I probably
need to pay attention to X, y,z.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Right.
And we and and also too, westart to like realize how the
little things that we do in ourare in our life affects the
little people.
Right, like I can agree withyou.
I remember my mom saying whenyou have a child, you never see
the world the same.
And I thought what is shetalking about?
Like the world doesn't change,right.
(14:21):
But it's not that the worldchanges, it's the way you see it
changes, right.
You start looking at you knowwho's looking out for the
benefit of my baby, right, who'slooking out for you know what
I'm feeding my baby?
Because really nobody caresexcept for one that comes to
their own world, right.
And so I realized that, yeah,you see the world differently.
(14:41):
You start to notice, you know Idon't want to say the good and
the bad, but you start to pickat little things and other
people because they're not awareof what you are aware of.
So I can relate to that again.
Yeah, I love that.
So when you had to do all like,when you were going through all
of this I mean you're, you'redealing with cancer and I mean
we all know that that nobody,nobody likes to talk about that
(15:02):
word you had to make a manymindset shifts right, like your
mind had to make you to makesome really big changes in your
internal world in order for youto change your external world.
What was that like for you?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So I started thinking about you know how to make
myself better and how tocontinue being healthy, because
obviously the cancer was excisedand at that time my doctor was
kind of on the forefront and hetook an approach of we're going
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to monitor this.
So I went in for MRIs veryfrequently, very frequently,
frequently.
But I also read the book CrazySexy Cancer by Chris Carr, as I
recall and she was actuallystage four, she's still around
(16:06):
and has become a huge influencerin this arena, in this arena.
So I started, I started makingmy own green juice.
I would go to the grocery storeand get the kale and the
cucumbers and all of the fruitand I had a green juice like
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three times a day and I and Ishifted more of my eating to
more veggies and fruits and mybody just kind of craved that
more and moved away from otherprotein sources, you know, moved
into more of a vegetarian arenaand really kicked up the green
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juice Because there's so manygood things in vegetables and
fruits.
So I really focused on doingthat on a daily basis and that
in itself, if you've ever been ahome juicer, is incredibly
intensive.
You go to the grocery store,pick the best fruits and
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vegetables sit there like, washthem all, juice them all, bottle
them, and then you've got toturn around and do it in a
couple more days.
So it does take a lot of time,but you know it didn't come back
.
It didn't come back, you know,and you like to think that you
(17:38):
had some.
You know very good doctor andyou know I was monitored and the
cancer was excised.
But you know you still want tofeel like you have agency.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
And I mean when you take onyour health on your own right,
without relying on on, you know,do this for me, do that for me.
When you do it on your own,like there's, there's a lot to
be said about that, right, Iknow I'm not a juicer.
I actually would rather eat mycalories than drink my calories,
(18:06):
you know.
But when it comes to fruits andvegetables, that's not on the
top of my list.
So I can, I can see why peoplejuice, right, because you can
get a lot more veggies and fruitin a you know, in a glass than
you can, you know, by cookingthem and sitting and eating them
.
So, yeah, I could see that.
I don't think I could.
(18:27):
I don't see myself as a juicerever, right, but at the same
time, like, I see the benefitsof it.
Now, many women listening today,gwen, they may be in like a
season of transition orreinvention.
Can you help maybe mention tous, you know, what helped you
stay grounded and focused duringyour personal transformation?
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Because this was, this was huge, right.
I mean, you went from being ateacher to now being, you know,
a pregnant cancer patient,changing into a new career.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah.
So you know everybody says, oh,family and friends.
But that is extremely true.
I also, because I was going tobe a single mom, I really kind
of focused on finding a tribeand I, when I started doing you
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know little markets with myshirts, I always like say hello
to the booth next to me, to thebooth on all sides, and see if
we're going to help each otherthat day.
Like I need to go to thebathroom when you watch my booth
.
But it's about connecting, withfinding ways to connect with
other people.
(19:47):
So I join groups.
I love being around otherpeople.
I love being around otherpeople even though I'm actually
a very shy person.
I was so shy growing up thatsome teachers were concerned
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until one teacher told myparents Gwen is just quiet, and
from a very early age, I don'tknow for some reason, that kind
of gave me a little bit ofconfidence, I think, and I was
like, oh, I'm just quiet but I'mnot a lost cause.
So I literally started likejoining groups and I carried
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that on into my adult world.
I'm probably part of a wellover 10 networking groups, wow.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And that's how I did stay grounded and it's how I
continue to stay groundedBecause, though we like to think
that we can sit behind acomputer and kind of get all the
answers through AI or Google,there's nothing like sitting
down with a cup of coffee with agroup of friends, or just one
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friend, to say, hey, I'm havingthis issue, what do you think?
Or not even asking questions,just hanging out.
You know, having coffee, tea,having a glass of wine.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I agree, it fills my heart when I sit with my
girlfriends, right, even ifwe're not really talking about
anything specific, right, you'rejust hanging out right.
It just makes you feel moretogether, I guess, and whole
right.
Yeah, I love that.
I love that I'm a big peopleperson.
I love to sit and visit and Ilove how you said you know you
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were a shy kid, but as soon asyour teacher said that Gwen is
just quiet, that gave you moreconfidence and it goes to show
that when we label ourselvesright, we, once we're labeled,
we believe that that's what weare and that's what we go with.
Right, I'm shy, but really thereality is what is shy?
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I just don't feel like talkingright now.
I know there are people thatare shy, that you know.
They like my.
Remember my daughter, she was,it was terrible, she would hide
behind me.
She, you know, she would hideher face.
She didn't want anyone tonotice her, right.
And and I used to think, well,how is she like this?
I am so not like that, right,and I I didn't even know how to
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handle it.
But now I mean, she's quiet andshe is afraid of crowds, but
she's not shy anymore, right.
And it's because I neverallowed that shy label to really
sink in, right.
I'm like, okay, you can bequiet, you can be afraid of
crowds I mean there's nothingwrong with that, but that
doesn't make you shy, right.
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And so I think that helped herand, as with you, that just
helped her realize that there's,you know, so many different
qualities that we all carry thatwe can.
You know, sometimes it's alittle bit more comfortable in
this quality and sometimes it'smore comfortable in that quality
.
So I really like that yeah, Ithink you're right.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, people like um hide sometimes hide behind
labels, but then when they arelabeled they're like oh, this is
my lot, but it's not you knowand it doesn't have to be right
Like we can be who we want to betoday.
Yeah, yeah, we're not a tree.
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We don't have roots Way, way,way down to the core tree.
We don't have roots way, way,way down to the core we we can
pick up and change in the nextmoment.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
So now, gwen, let's talk aboutcotton.
So most of us don't reallythink twice about fabric.
What did you learn that shockedyou?
I mean other than the, you knowthe growing of it and the
regular cotton was the most youknow polluted.
Excuse me, what did you learnthat shocked you, and what?
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How did it influence yourbrand's mission?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
So when I was doing my research, I found out that
more than seven of the mostcarcinogenic chemicals known to
humankind were sprayed on theregular conventional cotton crop
and some of those agents werecreated during as nerve agents
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for the for the world wars.
So I was like, oh my gosh,we've manufactured this and now
we think it's because it doeskill.
And now we think it's becauseit does kill, wow, so, let's, so
, let's spray it on these cropsto kill the bull weevils and the
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net, because cotton regularcotton it's it's not easy to
grow because of the pests.
So I understand, you know, Ithink a lot of people have good
intentions when they start like,oh my gosh, this is really
working.
But when you really dig into it, you're like, oh my goodness,
like so.
Then I thought, well, this is,this is getting into our water.
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Like we all know that cancerhas grown exponentially since
then.
Yeah Right, wow, wow, yeah, soso that that was really the most
surprising thing.
So I thought, okay, I am goingto seek out an organic option.
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And in the beginning it was aneducation process when I went to
large shows small shows,because my label says organic
cotton, got certified, meaningglobal organic trade certified
cotton and I because I didn'twant to contribute.
(26:00):
You know I wanted to do a funproduct but I didn't want to
contribute to the messiness.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Right, right, well, thank you for that.
Right, because you know.
I mean clearly.
I mean there's a lot to be donethat you've done already.
Right, there's a lot more thatneeds to be done, because we're
hearing more and more that it'sknow, it's.
It's crazy like I saw a programnot too long ago about the, the
, you know, the clothes that arebeing donated to charity and
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and to you know across the world, and the piles of garbage
clothes left on, like theseashores is.
I was like what, what is allthat like?
How are we not finding use forthe clothes that we have?
Right, like it just seemedridiculous.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah.
So it was.
That was really eyeopening andso I just thought, okay, my
mission is going to kind ofspread the organic message.
And the interesting thing is, Ifeel like I kind of was a
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little bit of a disruptorBecause you know, a lot of
things start small.
But look at us now, Like majorcompanies have an organic option
right in fact I had like asuper quick sort of funny story.
I was a really long time ago ata um, at a little local market
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um, and there was a big clothingcompany um in that area and I
I'm not going to say whichcompany it was, but um, he came
up and he was so interested inorganic cotton, like what was
this?
What was going on?
Yada, yada, two years laterthey had an organic section of
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their clothing oh, that's how wechange the world right that's
how we change the world, right?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's how we change the world, one person at a time,
and we start with ourselves andthen we spread our love.
Right?
I love that.
That's great.
Now you went from cancerpatient to new mom, to
entrepreneur.
What were the biggest hurdlesmentally, emotionally and
practically when starting yourbusiness?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
goals mentally, emotionally and practically when
starting your business.
So mentally, I you know, whenyou first have a child, like pre
, pre child, you think you'regoing to have time.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yep, I always laugh when I hear these new moms.
I always laugh when I hearthese new moms Post you run into
.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
no, you really don't have that time and sleep.
I remember calling my brotherand this was very, very early on
, this was within the first yearand I was like, oh my gosh, I'm
so tired.
And I was like, oh my gosh, I'mso tired and I was like, when
does this stop?
He laughed and he's like Ithink 18, I don't think I think
(29:15):
when they're 18 yeah, life isnever the same, right like life
is never the same.
No, so so mentally it wasgetting used to.
Okay, where am I literallygoing to?
Time block, where can I work onmy business?
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And then who is going to helpme?
So you start looking aroundbecause you've started
developing this little tribe.
You start looking aroundbecause you've started
developing this little tribe andwhat two friends and I did was
we and also like it's it's cashflow.
I was a single mom and, you know, still trying to make things
work.
Um, I didn't have, you know,money to to put my kid in like
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daycare and first of all, beforethe age of three, there aren,
there aren't a lot of optionsanyway.
And so I got together with acouple of my friends and so
Monday one friend took the kidsuntil one o'clock, so all
morning until one o'clock Nextday.
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Someone else did that, and thenthe next day was my turn.
So I had, I had, a decentamount of time to work on my
business, to go to meetings,whatever I needed to do, and
sleep.
That helped.
(30:42):
And then it was just startinglocally, like I think sometimes
people think you have to, likeyou know, quit your day job and
like start your business and gofull force, and I think you kind
(31:05):
of have to a little bit, and Idid have another part-time job
as well.
You have to do that while youkind of grow your business.
Another time suck which peopledon't realize, and another
friend said to me a couple ofyears ago she's like how do you
(31:25):
get, how do you get so much done, gwen?
I was like I really don't watchTV and and they're like oh huh,
and so like if you really sitdown and now I think it's more
your cell phone, but if youreally sit down and like track,
like how much time is taken fromwhatever the TV or the fact
(31:47):
that you're on your phonescrolling, that's a big time
suck.
And what could you be doing?
Printing, going to a meeting,connecting, working on designs,
whatever.
So it's really kind of taking,taking a look around and what
(32:07):
and taking stock in what you dohave and then figuring out how
you're going to jump to the nextlevel with with the resources
that that you do have, and a lotof people have a lot of
resources they don't evenrealize they have.
Like your friends, if they canwatch your kid, that's a
resource and obviously you'regoing to do the same.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right, yeah.
And sometimes it's even likeyour friends are running out
getting groceries, you know,like you could very easily say,
hey, do you mind picking up milk, eggs, and you know, a loaf of
bread for me, or whatever thatmight be.
So, yeah, yeah, I mean that'swhat we have friends for, right?
You know you give and take,right, not always just about.
(32:51):
You know, let me listen to you.
Sometimes it's I need you to dome a favor, so that's good.
It's great that you foundyourself, that that you know
group of friends that you couldrely on.
Like that I remember my, youknow, when my kids were little.
I mean there were days, I meanI had twins.
There were days where I'm like,you know, I never missed a
shower, though I remember momsaying to me if you're, if you
(33:13):
have a shower in a day, you'rehaving a good day.
I didn't miss a shower, so Imean it was pretty good.
They were really good babiestoo.
Really, I can't complain, theywere awesome babies.
But I remember that, oh my God,I have to get supper on the
table and I got two cryingbabies here, right, like I
remember those days.
(33:34):
And when you're alone you don'thave that option, right.
You can't just say you know,here, take my kid Right, so yeah
, it's great that you found thatgroup.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, and it's also like doing things like we used
to think that, oh, the childlike almost couldn't be seen,
like you had to like whatever,shut them away or find someone
to take care of them.
I would take my child to mylocal farmer's markets.
I had like some sort ofcontraption.
(34:02):
I would go in the back, I wouldnurse her because I did nurse
her for a very long time I wouldnurse her, put her down in the
little crib that I had, then godeal with the client.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, that's how to do it right.
I mean you got to do what yougot to do.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I know I took the kid to work but it was a little
unconventional because a lot ofmy work was actually at local
farmers marketsisans markets,but I did but she was also a
little bit of an advertisementfor you, I'm sure, I'm sure she
was wearing your product.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Oh, oh, totally yeah.
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I mean, that's part of the job yeah, absolutely
right she just wasn't making anymoney and my friend and my a
couple of weekends ago.
She, she has a new baby.
He's under um a year and she isdoing the same thing Um, I do.
And she brought her child, butshe also brought a, like a nanny
(34:54):
, and halfway through the dayshe's like because it's
expensive if you're doing thattoo.
And she's like, how did Gwen,how did you do this?
Like, is it okay if?
If I bring him and it's just meand I'm working and I said I
did it, just set up the littlecarriage.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Exactly, I know.
If your kid is colicky and youcan't, you know, provide to your
clients, then that's different.
But if he's just a normal baby,why not?
Right and quite honestly, likewhen I'm shopping and I see
little babies.
Of course I'm old now, my kidsare big, right, I love seeing
little babies, right, it's likeyou know, look how sweet, you
know that's a sale right there.
(35:34):
I know yeah, what advice wouldyou give women who are being
called to do something bold ormeaningful, but are also feeling
scared and uncertain?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
First of all, don't quit your day job or your night
or your night job, whatever itis, I still.
It's going to be hard, you knowwhat.
It's not easy, but you have topull up your you know your big
girl panties and you're going tohave to work and you're going
to be tired, but you're going tofind a way.
(36:12):
You just have to be organized.
You have to find your tribe,you have to ask for help and
you're going to just have tofind the time.
I'm a big proponent of you know,the five o'clock club, but I'm
more of a six o'clock club.
(36:32):
From six to nine I can getmountains of stuff done because
no one expects anything of youbefore nine o'clock.
And you do the math, that's 21hours during the week before
really anyone's really expectinganything of you.
Your kids are probably, yourkid's probably sleeping and
(36:54):
obviously if you're like more ofa night owl, then from nine to
midnight, because no one'sexpecting anything from you
after that time of night.
And you multiply that out and,as an entrepreneur, weekends
count.
So that's 21 hours that you canget a lot done.
Six to nine in the morning ornine to 12 at midnight.
(37:16):
That is one of my biggestadvice pieces Turn off your
phone, just get done what youneed to get done.
Make lists.
I make a list the night before.
I have a little calendar and onSunday night I basically write
out my week of my exactappointments.
(37:38):
So I am reminded and then Imake a list the night before of
what I really need to get done.
Like three top things and youcould probably get those done
between 10 and nine in themorning and then the rest of the
day.
You know you have your meetingsor you're doing what you're
(37:59):
what I'm doing, but um, but yeah, I make lists.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I love that, I absolutely love that.
I love.
First of all, being organizedis the number one thing.
Right, you can get so much moredone when you have your days
planned out right and then, likeyou said, nobody's gonna expect
anything from you between sixand nine Although after this
podcast they might be startingto call you or at eight, but
(38:25):
let's, let's give Gwen some timeright From six to nine, or like
.
I'm not an, I'm not a nighttimer, I'd rather get up early,
although I struggle getting upearly lately.
You know that nine to 12 time,that's my time.
That night, like you know, Iwant to be in bed by 10.
So, you know, I'm not workinguntil midnight.
That's not going to happen.
But I love that.
(38:45):
I love how you, you know youplan that all out and you know,
like, your tribe is there tohelp you, right, you can rely on
that tribe, right, whether it's, you know, just answer the
phone for me, even, right, like,if my phone rings, do you mind
just answering it?
Right?
Oh, and that that's anotherthing that I was going to
mention.
You had said that you know youdidn't watch TV, right, and you
(39:09):
know now it's our phones thatare keeping us, you know,
distracted and occupied.
My phone tells me I think it'severy Sunday morning how much
screen time I had over the week,and I am, every single Monday,
like totally appalled at thatnumber, because I'm like
(39:29):
consciously trying to, like youknow, be on my phone less, but
that number doesn't change.
I'm like, what am I doing wrong?
Right, I, I do play games on myphone, so I know that that's a
lot of it, but I really aim tolike spend what's the word I'm
looking for, like specific timeon my phone, right, this is for
(39:54):
this job, so I need to be on myphone.
Otherwise, I don't want to be onmy phone all the time.
It's not good for my eyes,right.
It's not good for mydistraction, right.
And so I liked how you saidthat, right, like, I don't watch
TV, so it's, it's almost one ofthose.
You have to pick your battle,right, you have to pick which
one you're going to give into.
(40:15):
And you know, tv, obviously, isone of those things where
you're like, no, I'm not, I'mnot going there, right, you
might not be in touch with therest of the world.
I mean, I don't know how youfind out what's going on in the
world.
I personally don't listen tothe news anymore, I just watch.
Really, I watch crap on TV.
I'm you know, I waste my timedoing that and hockey I love
hockey, so I do watch hockey.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I love hockey too.
My thing is baseball, but I doa lot of driving, so I listen to
podcasts.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
So that's how you are , like you learn, because
there's always learning to do.
But podcasts podcasts are great.
I mean, look at us, I meanwe're having this conversation,
right.
But there's also podcasts thatare, you know, for learning
purposes, right, like let'slearn how to do this Right.
And I mean Mel Robbins isamazing.
She has amazing guests on herher podcast.
There's so much to learn frompeople like that and I love it.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and you can.
You can get, you can go down ahole with podcasts, but there's
there's a few that I really tryto pay attention to.
I always listen to Rich Habitspodcast.
They so, once you get thatmoney from from your, from your
job or your entrepreneurialthing, like, what do you do with
(41:33):
it?
And so I just love listening tothem.
They have some really savvyadvice.
I love Trevor Noah what Now?
Because he really kind ofsynthesizes something in the
zeitgeist, so once a week, youknow, so we can really distill
what's going on, and he just hasa really intelligent
conversations with you knowScott Galloway, or like just
(41:55):
really, really interestingpeople.
Yeah.
So, I catch up by by listeningto podcasts.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, when you spend a lot of time in the car, you
got to fill your time, you know,and you might as well do it
with learning, right.
I mean, I'm sure you have your,your playlist, right.
I have a thing when I'm like,if I'm working but I have to be
on the road, I listen tolearning on the way to wherever
I'm going, and then when my dayis done and I'm now going home
(42:40):
because my day is done, that'swhen I put my music in Right,
because then I'm like now I canunwind, right, but going there,
I need to be filled with, youknow, as much information as I
can, right, and so I call it mylearning time.
I tried to teach that to mykids, but it didn't work.
I have one more question whatdoes confidence in?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
bloom mean to you personally, and how has
confidence played a role in yourjourney as a mother, a survivor
and a business owner actuallyplays parallel to vulnerability
in that knowing that reallyevery other human is having
(43:15):
similar struggles and justknowing that kind of humans
around the world, humans in mycommunity, are having these
similar struggles gives me theconfidence like, oh my gosh, I I
am.
I am this old.
(43:35):
That person is that old.
You know that old they.
They've had the confidence toto get to that point in their in
their journey, in their lifeand to just keep going.
Confidence is is is continuingto just keep.
(43:57):
Keep going because it is aroller coaster, but just know
that it is a roller coaster andtake stock and in the good times
, because rain is kind of fall,but just know that you are going
to get through it.
You know we all get through it.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, you know, we, we all get through it.
Yeah, well, and, and I don'tknow if you remember, but I
remember, like on zoom,especially during covid the
pandemic, when we were not to beout in public and be visiting
with our people, and you know wewould get on a zoom call and we
would complain about how Ireally wish we could go out.
I'd rather be sitting in arestaurant or, you know, sitting
(44:42):
in a cafe chatting with you.
But at the end of thatconversation we all would always
say this too shall end right.
We all know that.
You know it's going to come toan end at some point, some way,
right, and we have to lookforward to what's on the other
side of that.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, and you have agency, you, you, you do have
agency in what you choose to dofrom one minute to the next, and
it's okay.
It's okay If you're having abad day, it's okay, you know you
don't have to be happy all thetime, it's okay if you're having
a bad day, it's okay, you knowyou don't have to be happy all
the time.
It's okay to have a bad day.
(45:26):
But think about okay, whatcould I do to move this in a
different direction?
And maybe this bad day, orwhatever these thoughts are,
lead me to another solution,another pathway, something else
to do.
Yeah, it informs us.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I love that.
I love that.
Now, if you could send onemessage to every woman listening
today, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Just keep going and know that a lot of people have
your back, even though you don'trealize that you can ask for
help.
You can ask help from astranger you know at the market.
(46:20):
Could you hold my bag while Iput my, while I, while I pick up
my child?
You know your friend.
Hey, could you like grab someextra cereal, whatever?
Yeah, just ask.
Ask for help because peoplereally want to help.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
They really do.
They really do.
It's so true, right?
I love that.
Thank you so much for that.
I want to say thank you forjoining me today.
I'm so proud that you have come.
I feel proud of you for comingthrough life the way you have,
and I don't know, I feel likeyou have.
It's been a struggle.
(46:58):
You're a single mom, you know,and you struggled with your
health and you made it work andI love that.
I love that.
You know.
It's just.
It goes to show that wherethere's a will, there's a way.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, and your daughter must be so proud, and
you said she's 20.
So she might not see it thatway just yet just yet.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
She, she is.
I have to say she is prettyamazing.
And the apple does not fall farfrom the tree.
She's going to be studyingabroad in the fall, but she
knows she wants to make, youknow, more money, so literally
she is juggling five jobs.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Wow, five jobs.
Wow, good for her.
Good for her, although she hasto leave those jobs out for
those other people that don'thave work.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
She's nannying, she's coaching tennis, she's working
for me, she's doing inventorysheets and Pinterest for another
company, she's social media foranother one, excel spreadsheets
for another.
So yeah, she's pulling togethera bunch of different stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Well she's young, right, and now's the time to
work, work, work, because onceshe, you know, starts a family.
Time is limited, as you know,right.
Yes, awesome, I love this.
Thank you so much for joiningme today, thank you.
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After the show.
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One just has to pick up a magazine or turn on a
television to see that, as women, we are bombarded daily with
media images of female physicalperfection, setting up the most
unrealistic of expectations asto how we should look.
No wonder female bodyconfidence is falling while
incidents of eating disordersare on the rise.
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What's most alarming is the waythis affects young girls.
A reduced sense of self-worthcan create anxiety, stress, even
depression, causingrelationship issues, while
potentially impairing academicand job performance.
In direct contrast, confidencein Bloom is designed to
reinforce and reassure everywoman who has ever felt
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inadequate, unworthy or tossedaside because of how she looks,
that no matter her age, shape orbackground, you matter.
You are enough.
Now I, tina Spoletini, a womanof substance, insist women
deserve to be happy, confident,successful and totally in love
with themselves in their ownbodies, just the way they are.
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Through an ongoing series ofintriguing conversations with
women from all walks of life,who are all extraordinary in
their own right, we will embarkupon a journey of ultimate
self-acceptance and empowerment.
Together, we'll share stories,laugh, learn, maybe even shed a
few tears when it becomes clearjust how far many women have
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come to realize how wonderfullife is when you stand in your
own power, feeling fantastic inyour own skin.
Today, gwen Gardner is my guest.
Gwen Gardner is an absoluteforce of resilience and heart.
She's the chief chick founderof designer, founder and
(02:18):
designer behind Simply ChickingClothing, a brand born from a
week that changed everything abreast cancer diagnosis and the
discovery she was pregnant allin the same week.
What followed was a radicallifestyle shift, a commitment to
clean living and the creationof a company that blends humor,
(02:39):
heart and health consciousvalues into adorable, organic
baby clothes.
We're diving into Gwen's storyof healing entrepreneurship and
what it really means to livewith intention for yourself,
your family and the future.
Let's get into it.
All right.
Welcome Gwen.
How are you today?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Great, so lovely to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Tina, yes, it's so nice to have you here.
I want to start at thebeginning.
You've had an incrediblylife-changing week.
Can you walk us through howyour diagnosis and pregnancy
intersected and what that waslike for you?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Sure, so over 20 years ago now, I decided to move
out from my boyfriend, but Iwasn't feeling well, and so on
Monday I went to the doctor, andthe next day I found out that I
was pregnant, but then the nextday I found out that I had
(03:42):
breast cancer.
So yeah, so it was quite a week.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So the same doctor, same appointment, found two
different things.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So I had had, like a mammogram the week before with a
different doctor and I hadgotten the call back to go in
basically on a Wednesday.
So I went to my regular doctoron Monday Obviously they do
tests and the next day I foundout I was pregnant.
(04:14):
But then I was already on acall back from the previous week
because they didn't like how itlooked.
So that's when I went in like,oh, so 20 years ago ago you were
young.
So I, yeah, it was.
It was 20 years ago, um,actually like more closer to 21,
because my daughter just turned20, that's how I know how long
(04:37):
I've been in business.
Um, so, yeah, so that was, thatwas quite a while ago, and
that's when I started looking athow I was living, what I was
eating, what I was washing myclothes with Cause, you cause,
you know, when you get adiagnosis like that, you're like
, oh, what can I do?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, yeah, and the thing is, when we like what
affects our body, is absolutelyeverything right, like all the
five major senses right.
What we're listening to, whatwe're eating, what we're
touching, what we're seeing, allof it like it's all.
So I can see.
I mean, I don't you know.
Like, when you said that youhad to change your laundry soap,
(05:19):
I was like, well, it's onlylaundry soap, but the reality is
right, everything that touchesour body in any way, create, can
create disease.
If we're not you know, I don'tknow, I don't know what the word
is if we're not like, if we'renot filtering it in some way
right, and I'm sure you learnedthat.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, it, everything you know, really impacts your
health, like what, everythingthat's coming into your
environment basically.
And so that's when I startedkind of looking at organic in
all ways possible.
And back then it was a littlemore difficult.
You know you had kind of theorganic food movement.
(06:02):
You know you had kind of theorganic food movement and so
that was that was easier.
But in every other area itreally was you kind of had to
dig.
And so I was involved withanother women's group and she
had breast cancer and she haddeveloped lotions and things
that you, you know, can put onyour skin.
So she and she said she's likewell, you realize, stuff that
(06:26):
gets, you know, on your body canbe absorbed in like under 20
seconds.
And I'm like, oh, so I startedthinking about what was I
putting on my skin?
What was I washing my clotheswith?
What was I washing my disheswith?
But I have a sense of humor andwhile I'm growing this child
(06:54):
and dealing with the cancer, Ithought, well, I should start a
business because I'm going tohave so much time like nursing
this child.
Because I really didn't thinkpositively when I got that
diagnosis.
I said there is no way that I'mgoing to die while I'm creating
life.
It's just not going to happen.
So, I just put on a superpositive and mindset and and
(07:17):
move forward in that way.
So I started then, because Iwas a teacher, I started
researching cotton and textilesand what I could print my funny
little sayings on, and that'swhen I found out the dirty
secret of regular conventionalcotton is one of the most
(07:38):
polluting crops in the world andI thought because, because of
the insecticides and pesticidesthat are sprayed on the regular
cotton crop to get rid of allthose insects and bull weevils
and all of that, you know,obviously gets into our water
and I was like, oh, so we'reactually drinking this stuff.
(07:58):
People who live close to thosefarms or who farm them
definitely have higher cancerrates and their skin, they have
skin issues.
So I sought out organic cottonand back then it was incredibly
difficult to find, of course, Ifound a California company
(08:20):
because I just feel like they'reon the forefront of a lot.
It's a big state and they'vebeen organic for a long time.
So I found a California companyand started using their blanks
to print with my eco-friendlyink, basically, and then I no
(08:41):
longer use that company, but Iuse a company out of New York
and then I print here in RhodeIsland, so I feel it's a super
clean product.
I don't compromise.
My product is more expensivebut it lasts.
I have people because I've beenaround for a long time.
(09:01):
I love the story of a dad whowalked up with his 13 year old.
He pointed at a particulardesign and said oh my gosh, he's
like.
You realize, all of ourchildren have worn that and
we're keeping it for ourgrandchildren Because they last.
They don't fall apart.
(09:21):
So they're actually initiallythey're more expensive, but
they're more economical in thelong run.
In the long run because they'renot gonna really end up in a
landfill, right, right, exactly,and and yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I love that Because I mean, well, I had twins boy,
girl twins and you know I wasn'tsure if I was going to have
more.
I did save a lot of my clothes,right.
So you know, I did have anotherone on a boy, so I saved all
the boy clothes and it got ridof all the girl clothes you know
after.
But I saved them.
I.
They're five years apart.
(09:56):
I saved all those clothes forfive years.
It was crazy, but you know, Ican, I can relate with that.
You know, like, who doesn'twant to buy one shirt and let it
pass down?
You know through three or fivekids, right, and then, and I
mean even generations, I mean,who doesn't want that?
I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, and, and most of most of my designs are gender
neutral, so it doesn't matterLike.
A boy can wear them, a girl canwear them a human can wear them
.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, that's even better.
That's even better.
I know I've seen a few of yourshirts, like on Instagram.
I follow you and I see it likeI've seen your a few of your
designs.
Is there a chick like a littlebaby chick on all of your, your
outfits?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
chick, like a little baby chick, on all of your
outfits.
So one of my most populardesigns is actually a little
chick coming out of an egg andit's just hatched.
So that's a really popular one,for boys or girls.
I have a lobster and it sayslocal catch.
It's in red.
Of course it could be boy girl.
I have a little miniaturegolfer symbol of course boy girl
.
I have a couple of poems whichare very popular and then my
(11:12):
brand is on the inside of thetag, of course, and that's my
little chick.
But there are a variety ofdifferent designs on the front.
But yes, I do have a littlechick coming out of an egg.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I love that.
Yeah, that is super cute, super.
Now I want to talk a little bitmore about you know, like the
organic side of it and that thehealthy side of it.
When now you we were talkingkind of a little bit of you know
everything that touches ourbody, what were some of the
(11:47):
biggest surprises I mean youmentioned about how you know
cotton is one of the highest,I'm going to say I'm going to
use the word poisoned because Idon't remember your exact term
what other surprises did youcome across when you were doing
all your research?
Changes that you had to make inyour everyday life?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah.
So I mean, if you just startthinking about what gets into
our water because we're, youknow it's groundwater and we're,
we're eventually, you know,drinking that that's why so many
people filter their water sowhat was I washing my skin with?
(12:34):
First of all, that's going togo onto my skin.
So I was looking for, you know,natural soaps, because that, of
course, is going to go on to mybody.
Of course, a little bit will beabsorbed, it's going to run
into the water and then out intothe world, and so eventually,
(12:54):
you know we're drinking itessentially.
And then what am I washing myclothes with?
Because the clothes are rinsedand that goes into the water and
, you know, out into the world.
But also it's on the clothes.
So I'm then putting thoseclothes on my body and they're
(13:17):
sitting there like all day andsweating, and so where, where is
that going?
So it was, it was just thinkingabout all of the products that
I am ingesting or going on to myskin or my child's skin.
(13:38):
You know, obviously I, I thinka lot of moms and dads think
about, think, think about theworld differently when they have
a child.
They're like, oh, my gosh, allof a sudden like, oh, I probably
need to pay attention to X, y,z.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Right.
And we and and also too, westart to like realize how the
little things that we do in ourare in our life affects the
little people.
Right, like I can agree withyou.
I remember my mom saying whenyou have a child, you never see
the world the same.
And I thought what is shetalking about?
Like the world doesn't change,right.
(14:21):
But it's not that the worldchanges, it's the way you see it
changes, right.
You start looking at you knowwho's looking out for the
benefit of my baby, right, who'slooking out for you know what
I'm feeding my baby?
Because really nobody caresexcept for one that comes to
their own world, right.
And so I realized that, yeah,you see the world differently.
(14:41):
You start to notice, you know Idon't want to say the good and
the bad, but you start to pickat little things and other
people because they're not awareof what you are aware of.
So I can relate to that again.
Yeah, I love that.
So when you had to do all like,when you were going through all
of this I mean you're, you'redealing with cancer and I mean
we all know that that nobody,nobody likes to talk about that
(15:02):
word you had to make a manymindset shifts right, like your
mind had to make you to makesome really big changes in your
internal world in order for youto change your external world.
What was that like for you?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So I started thinking about you know how to make
myself better and how tocontinue being healthy, because
obviously the cancer was excisedand at that time my doctor was
kind of on the forefront and hetook an approach of we're going
(15:45):
to monitor this.
So I went in for MRIs veryfrequently, very frequently,
frequently.
But I also read the book CrazySexy Cancer by Chris Carr, as I
recall and she was actuallystage four, she's still around
(16:06):
and has become a huge influencerin this arena, in this arena.
So I started, I started makingmy own green juice.
I would go to the grocery storeand get the kale and the
cucumbers and all of the fruitand I had a green juice like
(16:28):
three times a day and I and Ishifted more of my eating to
more veggies and fruits and mybody just kind of craved that
more and moved away from otherprotein sources, you know, moved
into more of a vegetarian arenaand really kicked up the green
(16:52):
juice Because there's so manygood things in vegetables and
fruits.
So I really focused on doingthat on a daily basis and that
in itself, if you've ever been ahome juicer, is incredibly
intensive.
You go to the grocery store,pick the best fruits and
(17:14):
vegetables sit there like, washthem all, juice them all, bottle
them, and then you've got toturn around and do it in a
couple more days.
So it does take a lot of time,but you know it didn't come back
.
It didn't come back, you know,and you like to think that you
(17:38):
had some.
You know very good doctor andyou know I was monitored and the
cancer was excised.
But you know you still want tofeel like you have agency.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
And I mean when you take onyour health on your own right,
without relying on on, you know,do this for me, do that for me.
When you do it on your own,like there's, there's a lot to
be said about that, right, Iknow I'm not a juicer.
I actually would rather eat mycalories than drink my calories,
(18:06):
you know.
But when it comes to fruits andvegetables, that's not on the
top of my list.
So I can, I can see why peoplejuice, right, because you can
get a lot more veggies and fruitin a you know, in a glass than
you can, you know, by cookingthem and sitting and eating them
.
So, yeah, I could see that.
I don't think I could.
(18:27):
I don't see myself as a juicerever, right, but at the same
time, like, I see the benefitsof it.
Now, many women listening today,gwen, they may be in like a
season of transition orreinvention.
Can you help maybe mention tous, you know, what helped you
stay grounded and focused duringyour personal transformation?
(18:48):
Because this was, this was huge, right.
I mean, you went from being ateacher to now being, you know,
a pregnant cancer patient,changing into a new career.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah.
So you know everybody says, oh,family and friends.
But that is extremely true.
I also, because I was going tobe a single mom, I really kind
of focused on finding a tribeand I, when I started doing you
(19:26):
know little markets with myshirts, I always like say hello
to the booth next to me, to thebooth on all sides, and see if
we're going to help each otherthat day.
Like I need to go to thebathroom when you watch my booth
.
But it's about connecting, withfinding ways to connect with
other people.
(19:47):
So I join groups.
I love being around otherpeople.
I love being around otherpeople even though I'm actually
a very shy person.
I was so shy growing up thatsome teachers were concerned
(20:08):
until one teacher told myparents Gwen is just quiet, and
from a very early age, I don'tknow for some reason, that kind
of gave me a little bit ofconfidence, I think, and I was
like, oh, I'm just quiet but I'mnot a lost cause.
So I literally started likejoining groups and I carried
(20:31):
that on into my adult world.
I'm probably part of a wellover 10 networking groups, wow.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And that's how I did stay grounded and it's how I
continue to stay groundedBecause, though we like to think
that we can sit behind acomputer and kind of get all the
answers through AI or Google,there's nothing like sitting
down with a cup of coffee with agroup of friends, or just one
(21:08):
friend, to say, hey, I'm havingthis issue, what do you think?
Or not even asking questions,just hanging out.
You know, having coffee, tea,having a glass of wine.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I agree, it fills my heart when I sit with my
girlfriends, right, even ifwe're not really talking about
anything specific, right, you'rejust hanging out right.
It just makes you feel moretogether, I guess, and whole
right.
Yeah, I love that.
I love that I'm a big peopleperson.
I love to sit and visit and Ilove how you said you know you
(21:44):
were a shy kid, but as soon asyour teacher said that Gwen is
just quiet, that gave you moreconfidence and it goes to show
that when we label ourselvesright, we, once we're labeled,
we believe that that's what weare and that's what we go with.
Right, I'm shy, but really thereality is what is shy?
(22:05):
I just don't feel like talkingright now.
I know there are people thatare shy, that you know.
They like my.
Remember my daughter, she was,it was terrible, she would hide
behind me.
She, you know, she would hideher face.
She didn't want anyone tonotice her, right.
And and I used to think, well,how is she like this?
I am so not like that, right,and I I didn't even know how to
(22:28):
handle it.
But now I mean, she's quiet andshe is afraid of crowds, but
she's not shy anymore, right.
And it's because I neverallowed that shy label to really
sink in, right.
I'm like, okay, you can bequiet, you can be afraid of
crowds I mean there's nothingwrong with that, but that
doesn't make you shy, right.
(22:48):
And so I think that helped herand, as with you, that just
helped her realize that there's,you know, so many different
qualities that we all carry thatwe can.
You know, sometimes it's alittle bit more comfortable in
this quality and sometimes it'smore comfortable in that quality
.
So I really like that yeah, Ithink you're right.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, people like um hide sometimes hide behind
labels, but then when they arelabeled they're like oh, this is
my lot, but it's not you knowand it doesn't have to be right
Like we can be who we want to betoday.
Yeah, yeah, we're not a tree.
(23:30):
We don't have roots Way, way,way down to the core tree.
We don't have roots way, way,way down to the core we we can
pick up and change in the nextmoment.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
So now, gwen, let's talk aboutcotton.
So most of us don't reallythink twice about fabric.
What did you learn that shockedyou?
I mean other than the, you knowthe growing of it and the
regular cotton was the most youknow polluted.
Excuse me, what did you learnthat shocked you, and what?
(24:00):
How did it influence yourbrand's mission?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
So when I was doing my research, I found out that
more than seven of the mostcarcinogenic chemicals known to
humankind were sprayed on theregular conventional cotton crop
and some of those agents werecreated during as nerve agents
(24:34):
for the for the world wars.
So I was like, oh my gosh,we've manufactured this and now
we think it's because it doeskill.
And now we think it's becauseit does kill, wow, so, let's, so
, let's spray it on these cropsto kill the bull weevils and the
(24:55):
net, because cotton regularcotton it's it's not easy to
grow because of the pests.
So I understand, you know, Ithink a lot of people have good
intentions when they start like,oh my gosh, this is really
working.
But when you really dig into it, you're like, oh my goodness,
like so.
Then I thought, well, this is,this is getting into our water.
(25:16):
Like we all know that cancerhas grown exponentially since
then.
Yeah Right, wow, wow, yeah, soso that that was really the most
surprising thing.
So I thought, okay, I am goingto seek out an organic option.
(25:38):
And in the beginning it was aneducation process when I went to
large shows small shows,because my label says organic
cotton, got certified, meaningglobal organic trade certified
cotton and I because I didn'twant to contribute.
(26:00):
You know I wanted to do a funproduct but I didn't want to
contribute to the messiness.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Right, right, well, thank you for that.
Right, because you know.
I mean clearly.
I mean there's a lot to be donethat you've done already.
Right, there's a lot more thatneeds to be done, because we're
hearing more and more that it'sknow, it's.
It's crazy like I saw a programnot too long ago about the, the
, you know, the clothes that arebeing donated to charity and
(26:33):
and to you know across the world, and the piles of garbage
clothes left on, like theseashores is.
I was like what, what is allthat like?
How are we not finding use forthe clothes that we have?
Right, like it just seemedridiculous.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah.
So it was.
That was really eyeopening andso I just thought, okay, my
mission is going to kind ofspread the organic message.
And the interesting thing is, Ifeel like I kind of was a
(27:12):
little bit of a disruptorBecause you know, a lot of
things start small.
But look at us now, Like majorcompanies have an organic option
right in fact I had like asuper quick sort of funny story.
I was a really long time ago ata um, at a little local market
(27:36):
um, and there was a big clothingcompany um in that area and I
I'm not going to say whichcompany it was, but um, he came
up and he was so interested inorganic cotton, like what was
this?
What was going on?
Yada, yada, two years laterthey had an organic section of
(27:58):
their clothing oh, that's how wechange the world right that's
how we change the world, right?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's how we change the world, one person at a time,
and we start with ourselves andthen we spread our love.
Right?
I love that.
That's great.
Now you went from cancerpatient to new mom, to
entrepreneur.
What were the biggest hurdlesmentally, emotionally and
practically when starting yourbusiness?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
goals mentally, emotionally and practically when
starting your business.
So mentally, I you know, whenyou first have a child, like pre
, pre child, you think you'regoing to have time.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yep, I always laugh when I hear these new moms.
I always laugh when I hearthese new moms Post you run into
.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
no, you really don't have that time and sleep.
I remember calling my brotherand this was very, very early on
, this was within the first yearand I was like, oh my gosh, I'm
so tired.
And I was like, oh my gosh, I'mso tired and I was like, when
does this stop?
He laughed and he's like Ithink 18, I don't think I think
(29:15):
when they're 18 yeah, life isnever the same, right like life
is never the same.
No, so so mentally it wasgetting used to.
Okay, where am I literallygoing to?
Time block, where can I work onmy business?
(29:36):
And then who is going to helpme?
So you start looking aroundbecause you've started
developing this little tribe.
You start looking aroundbecause you've started
developing this little tribe andwhat two friends and I did was
we and also like it's it's cashflow.
I was a single mom and, you know, still trying to make things
work.
Um, I didn't have, you know,money to to put my kid in like
(30:01):
daycare and first of all, beforethe age of three, there aren,
there aren't a lot of optionsanyway.
And so I got together with acouple of my friends and so
Monday one friend took the kidsuntil one o'clock, so all
morning until one o'clock Nextday.
(30:21):
Someone else did that, and thenthe next day was my turn.
So I had, I had, a decentamount of time to work on my
business, to go to meetings,whatever I needed to do, and
sleep.
That helped.
(30:42):
And then it was just startinglocally, like I think sometimes
people think you have to, likeyou know, quit your day job and
like start your business and gofull force, and I think you kind
(31:05):
of have to a little bit, and Idid have another part-time job
as well.
You have to do that while youkind of grow your business.
Another time suck which peopledon't realize, and another
friend said to me a couple ofyears ago she's like how do you
(31:25):
get, how do you get so much done, gwen?
I was like I really don't watchTV and and they're like oh huh,
and so like if you really sitdown and now I think it's more
your cell phone, but if youreally sit down and like track,
like how much time is taken fromwhatever the TV or the fact
(31:47):
that you're on your phonescrolling, that's a big time
suck.
And what could you be doing?
Printing, going to a meeting,connecting, working on designs,
whatever.
So it's really kind of taking,taking a look around and what
(32:07):
and taking stock in what you dohave and then figuring out how
you're going to jump to the nextlevel with with the resources
that that you do have, and a lotof people have a lot of
resources they don't evenrealize they have.
Like your friends, if they canwatch your kid, that's a
resource and obviously you'regoing to do the same.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right, yeah.
And sometimes it's even likeyour friends are running out
getting groceries, you know,like you could very easily say,
hey, do you mind picking up milk, eggs, and you know, a loaf of
bread for me, or whatever thatmight be.
So, yeah, yeah, I mean that'swhat we have friends for, right?
You know you give and take,right, not always just about.
(32:51):
You know, let me listen to you.
Sometimes it's I need you to dome a favor, so that's good.
It's great that you foundyourself, that that you know
group of friends that you couldrely on.
Like that I remember my, youknow, when my kids were little.
I mean there were days, I meanI had twins.
There were days where I'm like,you know, I never missed a
shower, though I remember momsaying to me if you're, if you
(33:13):
have a shower in a day, you'rehaving a good day.
I didn't miss a shower, so Imean it was pretty good.
They were really good babiestoo.
Really, I can't complain, theywere awesome babies.
But I remember that, oh my God,I have to get supper on the
table and I got two cryingbabies here, right, like I
remember those days.
(33:34):
And when you're alone you don'thave that option, right.
You can't just say you know,here, take my kid Right, so yeah
, it's great that you found thatgroup.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, and it's also like doing things like we used
to think that, oh, the childlike almost couldn't be seen,
like you had to like whatever,shut them away or find someone
to take care of them.
I would take my child to mylocal farmer's markets.
I had like some sort ofcontraption.
(34:02):
I would go in the back, I wouldnurse her because I did nurse
her for a very long time I wouldnurse her, put her down in the
little crib that I had, then godeal with the client.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, that's how to do it right.
I mean you got to do what yougot to do.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I know I took the kid to work but it was a little
unconventional because a lot ofmy work was actually at local
farmers marketsisans markets,but I did but she was also a
little bit of an advertisementfor you, I'm sure, I'm sure she
was wearing your product.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Oh, oh, totally yeah.
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I mean, that's part of the job yeah, absolutely
right she just wasn't making anymoney and my friend and my a
couple of weekends ago.
She, she has a new baby.
He's under um a year and she isdoing the same thing Um, I do.
And she brought her child, butshe also brought a, like a nanny
(34:54):
, and halfway through the dayshe's like because it's
expensive if you're doing thattoo.
And she's like, how did Gwen,how did you do this?
Like, is it okay if?
If I bring him and it's just meand I'm working and I said I
did it, just set up the littlecarriage.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Exactly, I know.
If your kid is colicky and youcan't, you know, provide to your
clients, then that's different.
But if he's just a normal baby,why not?
Right and quite honestly, likewhen I'm shopping and I see
little babies.
Of course I'm old now, my kidsare big, right, I love seeing
little babies, right, it's likeyou know, look how sweet, you
know that's a sale right there.
(35:34):
I know yeah, what advice wouldyou give women who are being
called to do something bold ormeaningful, but are also feeling
scared and uncertain?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
First of all, don't quit your day job or your night
or your night job, whatever itis, I still.
It's going to be hard, you knowwhat.
It's not easy, but you have topull up your you know your big
girl panties and you're going tohave to work and you're going
to be tired, but you're going tofind a way.
(36:12):
You just have to be organized.
You have to find your tribe,you have to ask for help and
you're going to just have tofind the time.
I'm a big proponent of you know,the five o'clock club, but I'm
more of a six o'clock club.
(36:32):
From six to nine I can getmountains of stuff done because
no one expects anything of youbefore nine o'clock.
And you do the math, that's 21hours during the week before
really anyone's really expectinganything of you.
Your kids are probably, yourkid's probably sleeping and
(36:54):
obviously if you're like more ofa night owl, then from nine to
midnight, because no one'sexpecting anything from you
after that time of night.
And you multiply that out and,as an entrepreneur, weekends
count.
So that's 21 hours that you canget a lot done.
Six to nine in the morning ornine to 12 at midnight.
(37:16):
That is one of my biggestadvice pieces Turn off your
phone, just get done what youneed to get done.
Make lists.
I make a list the night before.
I have a little calendar and onSunday night I basically write
out my week of my exactappointments.
(37:38):
So I am reminded and then Imake a list the night before of
what I really need to get done.
Like three top things and youcould probably get those done
between 10 and nine in themorning and then the rest of the
day.
You know you have your meetingsor you're doing what you're
(37:59):
what I'm doing, but um, but yeah, I make lists.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I love that, I absolutely love that.
I love.
First of all, being organizedis the number one thing.
Right, you can get so much moredone when you have your days
planned out right and then, likeyou said, nobody's gonna expect
anything from you between sixand nine Although after this
podcast they might be startingto call you or at eight, but
(38:25):
let's, let's give Gwen some timeright From six to nine, or like
.
I'm not an, I'm not a nighttimer, I'd rather get up early,
although I struggle getting upearly lately.
You know that nine to 12 time,that's my time.
That night, like you know, Iwant to be in bed by 10.
So, you know, I'm not workinguntil midnight.
That's not going to happen.
But I love that.
(38:45):
I love how you, you know youplan that all out and you know,
like, your tribe is there tohelp you, right, you can rely on
that tribe, right, whether it's, you know, just answer the
phone for me, even, right, like,if my phone rings, do you mind
just answering it?
Right?
Oh, and that that's anotherthing that I was going to
mention.
You had said that you know youdidn't watch TV, right, and you
(39:09):
know now it's our phones thatare keeping us, you know,
distracted and occupied.
My phone tells me I think it'severy Sunday morning how much
screen time I had over the week,and I am, every single Monday,
like totally appalled at thatnumber, because I'm like
(39:29):
consciously trying to, like youknow, be on my phone less, but
that number doesn't change.
I'm like, what am I doing wrong?
Right, I, I do play games on myphone, so I know that that's a
lot of it, but I really aim tolike spend what's the word I'm
looking for, like specific timeon my phone, right, this is for
(39:54):
this job, so I need to be on myphone.
Otherwise, I don't want to be onmy phone all the time.
It's not good for my eyes,right.
It's not good for mydistraction, right.
And so I liked how you saidthat, right, like, I don't watch
TV, so it's, it's almost one ofthose.
You have to pick your battle,right, you have to pick which
one you're going to give into.
(40:15):
And you know, tv, obviously, isone of those things where
you're like, no, I'm not, I'mnot going there, right, you
might not be in touch with therest of the world.
I mean, I don't know how youfind out what's going on in the
world.
I personally don't listen tothe news anymore, I just watch.
Really, I watch crap on TV.
I'm you know, I waste my timedoing that and hockey I love
hockey, so I do watch hockey.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I love hockey too.
My thing is baseball, but I doa lot of driving, so I listen to
podcasts.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
So that's how you are , like you learn, because
there's always learning to do.
But podcasts podcasts are great.
I mean, look at us, I meanwe're having this conversation,
right.
But there's also podcasts thatare, you know, for learning
purposes, right, like let'slearn how to do this Right.
And I mean Mel Robbins isamazing.
She has amazing guests on herher podcast.
There's so much to learn frompeople like that and I love it.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and you can.
You can get, you can go down ahole with podcasts, but there's
there's a few that I really tryto pay attention to.
I always listen to Rich Habitspodcast.
They so, once you get thatmoney from from your, from your
job or your entrepreneurialthing, like, what do you do with
(41:33):
it?
And so I just love listening tothem.
They have some really savvyadvice.
I love Trevor Noah what Now?
Because he really kind ofsynthesizes something in the
zeitgeist, so once a week, youknow, so we can really distill
what's going on, and he just hasa really intelligent
conversations with you knowScott Galloway, or like just
(41:55):
really, really interestingpeople.
Yeah.
So, I catch up by by listeningto podcasts.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, when you spend a lot of time in the car, you
got to fill your time, you know,and you might as well do it
with learning, right.
I mean, I'm sure you have your,your playlist, right.
I have a thing when I'm like,if I'm working but I have to be
on the road, I listen tolearning on the way to wherever
I'm going, and then when my dayis done and I'm now going home
(42:40):
because my day is done, that'swhen I put my music in Right,
because then I'm like now I canunwind, right, but going there,
I need to be filled with, youknow, as much information as I
can, right, and so I call it mylearning time.
I tried to teach that to mykids, but it didn't work.
I have one more question whatdoes confidence in?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
bloom mean to you personally, and how has
confidence played a role in yourjourney as a mother, a survivor
and a business owner actuallyplays parallel to vulnerability
in that knowing that reallyevery other human is having
(43:15):
similar struggles and justknowing that kind of humans
around the world, humans in mycommunity, are having these
similar struggles gives me theconfidence like, oh my gosh, I I
am.
I am this old.
(43:35):
That person is that old.
You know that old they.
They've had the confidence toto get to that point in their in
their journey, in their lifeand to just keep going.
Confidence is is is continuingto just keep.
(43:57):
Keep going because it is aroller coaster, but just know
that it is a roller coaster andtake stock and in the good times
, because rain is kind of fall,but just know that you are going
to get through it.
You know we all get through it.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, you know, we, we all get through it.
Yeah, well, and, and I don'tknow if you remember, but I
remember, like on zoom,especially during covid the
pandemic, when we were not to beout in public and be visiting
with our people, and you know wewould get on a zoom call and we
would complain about how Ireally wish we could go out.
I'd rather be sitting in arestaurant or, you know, sitting
(44:42):
in a cafe chatting with you.
But at the end of thatconversation we all would always
say this too shall end right.
We all know that.
You know it's going to come toan end at some point, some way,
right, and we have to lookforward to what's on the other
side of that.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, and you have agency, you, you, you do have
agency in what you choose to dofrom one minute to the next, and
it's okay.
It's okay If you're having abad day, it's okay, you know you
don't have to be happy all thetime, it's okay if you're having
a bad day, it's okay, you knowyou don't have to be happy all
the time.
It's okay to have a bad day.
(45:26):
But think about okay, whatcould I do to move this in a
different direction?
And maybe this bad day, orwhatever these thoughts are,
lead me to another solution,another pathway, something else
to do.
Yeah, it informs us.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I love that.
I love that.
Now, if you could send onemessage to every woman listening
today, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Just keep going and know that a lot of people have
your back, even though you don'trealize that you can ask for
help.
You can ask help from astranger you know at the market.
(46:20):
Could you hold my bag while Iput my, while I, while I pick up
my child?
You know your friend.
Hey, could you like grab someextra cereal, whatever?
Yeah, just ask.
Ask for help because peoplereally want to help.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
They really do.
They really do.
It's so true, right?
I love that.
Thank you so much for that.
I want to say thank you forjoining me today.
I'm so proud that you have come.
I feel proud of you for comingthrough life the way you have,
and I don't know, I feel likeyou have.
It's been a struggle.
(46:58):
You're a single mom, you know,and you struggled with your
health and you made it work andI love that.
I love that.
You know.
It's just.
It goes to show that wherethere's a will, there's a way.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, and your daughter must be so proud, and
you said she's 20.
So she might not see it thatway just yet just yet.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
She, she is.
I have to say she is prettyamazing.
And the apple does not fall farfrom the tree.
She's going to be studyingabroad in the fall, but she
knows she wants to make, youknow, more money, so literally
she is juggling five jobs.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Wow, five jobs.
Wow, good for her.
Good for her, although she hasto leave those jobs out for
those other people that don'thave work.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
She's nannying, she's coaching tennis, she's working
for me, she's doing inventorysheets and Pinterest for another
company, she's social media foranother one, excel spreadsheets
for another.
So yeah, she's pulling togethera bunch of different stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Well she's young, right, and now's the time to
work, work, work, because onceshe, you know, starts a family.
Time is limited, as you know,right.
Yes, awesome, I love this.
Thank you so much for joiningme today, thank you.
Confidence in Bloom is acelebration of self-love, a
(48:31):
confirmation that, even thoughyou may not look like a screen
star or a supermodel they don'teven look like that you are an
amazing, desirable, brilliant,gorgeous, talented woman.
Look like that.
You are an amazing, desirable,brilliant, gorgeous, talented
woman.
We offer unconditional love toour partners, our children, our
extended family, even our pets.
It's high time we got out ofour own way and learn to
unconditionally love ourselvesIn full bloom.
(48:53):
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one-on-one coaching inconfidence building, personal
branding and creating yoursignature fashion look.
Chic definitely does come inevery shape.
So if you want something tobelieve, in start with yourself.
If you'd like to be a guesthere on Confidence in Bloom,
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