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Dark Destinations. He's maybe end Timesnight creature. Why would a few more
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the haunted corners of the globe.Darkness is coming for you. Ye,
that's the fear that haunts me.Dark Destinations by Father Belowe at Weird e
waybedia dot com weird Hello there,I'm Chris Dash, I'm Mike White,
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and this is Father Malone and weare the host of Dreams for Sale,
show about the Twilight Zone, nineteeneighty five. Welcome, folks. You're
here for the journey, as arewe. On this episode of the show,
we're talking about the twentieth and twentyfirst episodes of the third season as
we round the bend into the homestretch of this special occasion. On this
episode, we're gonna be talking abouta game of Pool and Room two four
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two six Jesse Cardiff Pool Shark,the best on Randolph Street, who will
soon learn the trying to be thebest in m thing is its own special
risk. In or Out of theTwilight Zone. A Game of Pool was
directed by Randy Bradshaw, written byGeorge Clayton Johnson and William Bermander. It
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originally aired February fourth, nineteen eightynine, and it is a remake of
the episode from the original series theexact same name. I loved it.
I loved this one. I'm sorry, this one was really good. Wow.
I just you know, I likeMorey Jakin, I like East Time
Morales quite a bit. That scriptwas good. Then I thought that script
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work now. And this one actuallyhas the original ending that George Clayton Johnson
wrote for The Twilight Zone that RodStertling made him change in the original one,
which I went back and watched afterI watched this one. He wins
at the end, and Fats islike, I'm glad you won. You
know, I wanted you too.But then what happened in the original was
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when he wishes, when the poolplayer wishes for Fats to appear. The
actual cut to a shot of heavenand it's like it's a smoky heaven and
there's just a pool table and it'sshot from on high and you can see
Jonathan Winters was the Fats in theoriginal one, just playing pool and they're
like, Fats Brown, Fats Brown, You're wanted in Chicago on Rudolph Street,
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and like he packs up his stuffand like leaves. At the end
of this episode, the the poolplayer beats Fats, and then the next
time they show the heaven scene,it's him like he has to go play
all the punks who are like challenginghim, which makes no sense, no,
because it turns the story from orinto like heavy you know, hangs
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to the head that wears the crown, instead of like the burden of trying
to be the best in avoiding yourentire life, like like which is what
we get here, Like the ideathat he gets beaten doesn't die, but
he's like, yeah, but you'redead anyway, you never lived at all.
I thought was great, like reallya thoughtful story being told by the
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Twilight Zone. I mean they hadto go back to the fucking sixties to
finally get up a good one.I was about to say too much credit
now. All I could think watchingthis one was like, why didn't they
just do that for this entire lastseason? They knew what they had to
burn through the season just to getto syndication. Right, just go back
and find the scripts that people had, you know, weren't allowed to do
what they wanted, and like makethem correct. Like it's you're guaranteed,
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no matter what, to be betterthan what they were coming up with.
I guarantee you, though there wasprobably some sort of mandate that they couldn't
do too many retreads of the originalshow at this point. Nobodys I agree,
but I am playing merely Devil's advocatebecause that's the literal amount of stupidity
that had to have been involved.Because there's a because the answer is what
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you said, that's what they shouldhave done. It's like fucking easy.
Most people haven't seen the original showin eighty five, at least not the
people that are watching this, andeven if they have, so what dude,
like you said, do something different. It is a possibility that you
know, because at the time,people like George Clayton Johnson was still alive
here and so was Richard Mathison.So we're most of those guys um and
probably they would have been had tobe paid like an outrageous amount. I
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don't think we saw Richard Mathison episoderead on, but we did we did
see a Rod Starling one, soI don't know, well you, Mike,
Yeah, I enjoyed it. ButtonButton was mathieson. Oh that's right,
but that wasn't on the original TwilightZone. That was an adaptation of
an of his short story, right, yeah, okay, and that fantastic
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feature film. Yeah, yes,yes, Richard Kelly dude, good director,
great so what he was doing.Uh yeah, I enjoyed this as
well. And yeah, I fuckinglove Morey Chicken. So it's so good
to see him and one of thoselike taken way too soon? What he
was sixty years old? I mean, the guy was just incredible and everything
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that he was in I thought EASTIMorales was little too much at times,
little too you know the director therebecause he can he can be restrained if
he's got somebody on top of him. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
I enjoyed this one, nice tightstory and yeah, the whole idea of
how he has wasted his entire lifethat he is, that he is so
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single minded playing pool and has sacrificed, sacrificed everything else. It's like,
who really is the dead person here? And it's him? What about you,
Chris, you hated it. Iactually really like the subtlety of the
ending, like you guys have said, I mean it's it's that little twist
of like you're already dead. Youdon't have to actually be dead to be
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dead, though. It shows thatyou can get a twist across that dostn't
have to be like, whoa,I didn't see that right with a hammer
to the face. Yeah, Imean it's it's essentially just kind of playing
in the same sandbox that David Fincherdoes with Zodiac, where it's like,
there's more than one way to loseyour life to a serial killer. There's
more than one way to lose yourlife to your hobby is to be all
consuming to the point where you're sittingat the pool hall every day of every
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week of every month, playing pool, trying to be the best at pool.
I could be better at pool.That guy's the only best pool player
at that place. Like you know, I actually played on a pool table
about a week ago and realized thatit's really not my sports I would like
it to be. I really likethe idea of it, and I'm like,
oh cool, Like it's geometry andstuff. This is right nice,
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which made me realize once again,sciences were never for me, Like I
can't even apply them in this fungame that I enjoy, Right, What
am I ever going to use aswell? If you play pool? Yeah
you go, favax. I enjoyedit. I think it's I think it's
it's a standout episode in a seaof problematic bad episodes. This is a
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a booie, a life ring,as one might even say, for us
to kind of hold on to fora moment and then enjoy because it is
a very small story in scope andin the way that it's told two actors.
It could have been a stage play. Yeah, that and that's something
I really like. It kind ofbothered me in the sixties when they were
doing these things with just like oneperson in a room, like it felt
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cheap there here it felt so kindof eloquent and economical, right well,
and it's just weird that they haven'tdone this more, given that I think
they were trying to be quote unquoteeconomical as they were trying to forcibly kick
this show out of the airplane tohit the ground. I mean again,
like you said on last episode,Father Malone, this is like them trying
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to get to syndication. I guessit was this episode. Jesus Christ,
they're all fucking running. We growall the same point. There was a
lot Yeah, the last episode ofthis show, folks. Yeah, but
it's it is this idea of like, you could just do this and look
what happens. It's a good episode. It's there's not even questionable. There's
a good episode of the show.So the decision from the highers up must
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have been, you need this manyepisodes, and they're like, we've stretched
Michael, just Makela Michael Jay Spizinskias far as we can. We've got
nothing left, Like, just pickone of the old ones and finish it
out. God, but what agood one to pick. I mean,
it's it's a great it's a greatepisode. It's a good story and the
twist at the end it works lessliteral than the original. Yeah, if
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you I have the DVDs of theoriginal series, which is how I went
and watched it, and they hadthem. The special features on this particular
episode was Jonathan Winters reading the originalending oh wow. And I think there
was an interview with Buck Houghton.It was one of the producers and the
Originals show. And the other thingwas Jonathan Winters commentary for the entire episode,
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which was a lot of Schwarzenegger inConan the Barbarian, like, Okay,
now here I am, I'm pickingup my stick. That's a cube,
but we would always call it astick, and oh Jack Klugman doesn't
like that. It was a lotof that, But he was also very
thoughtful at times, like the amounthe hadn't been at that point, hadn't
been given a dramatic role at all, and he really wanted one, so
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he like went whole hog and likebuilt a whole backstory for Fats and everything.
It was really interesting. And thislike forty years later they were reporting
this, so it was interesting tosee how much he remembered and like the
amount of effort he put into it. And he's great in the episode too.
I recommended this one, and Irecommend everyone go watch the original.
But did he do the commentary asMaud Frickert? If only I'm listening to
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it. Otherwise I was never afan of Jonathan Winters, except when he
was in dramatic roles. It's like, okay, this works, like tone
it down a lot. Yeah,that free association bullshit, Like, I
know everyone, I'm not gonna sayanything bad about Robin Williams. I almost
everyone. I showed up as theSun. I was just like, what
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the fuck are you doing? Yeah? But the free let me just say,
free association has its ups and downs. It's just like watching an improv
group. Sometimes everything clicks, anda lot of times it's like, okay,
whatever, we'll give you a laughbecause that's what we're here to do.
Yeah. Yeah, I love RobinWilliams. Let me make that clear.
Don't hate me. People already hateme, so it's okay if I
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say that. There does jail andhalf his bad days as well. Yeah,
the free association thing kind of wasRobin Williams thing, and it kind
of worked because you have to doa lot of cocaine to do that.
Yeah, yes, yeah, yes, hey man, just you know,
just make sure when you make anotherTwilight Zone reboot you have people who know
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what they're doing as opposed to peoplewho don't, because if you have people
just don't again, I know,but you get an episode. I mean
it's oh no, but yeah,but they've rebooted it twice since this series,
and now they need to stop Idon't know, another five years,
give another five years. Five yearsis about the memory cycle of most folks.
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True. So let's talk about thetwenty first episode of the third season,
Room two four two six. Currentguest in Room two four two six,
Martin Decker, theoretical biochemist, checkedin for observation he could go.
It seems he was displaying anti socialbehavior, wrong thinking, and other intellectual
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crimes against the state. Diagnosis schizophreniacurable only by intense therapy sessions followed by
a full confession and disclosure of thefacts. Once cured, Martin will be
released or buried. So Room twofour twenty six is directed by Richard Boujaski
once again, or Rizard as Icalled him, Toka and Risk, and
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it's written by Paul Schitlick and JeremyBertrand Finch, and it stars the recently
deceased rest in Peace mister Dean stockwellas a scientist maybe who the fuck knows
what's going I had no fucking earthlyidea in this episode. Things were happening,
and yeah, things happened. Thingsdefinitely happened, and I was thinking
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he was some sort of like politicalprisoner. But no, you're theoretical biochemist,
yes, right, yeah, andhe's he has a cure for something.
What it is we do not know. Well, it can be weaponized
em asummer, Yeah, what isit? Though? I don't know.
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Does it really matter? I mean, it doesn't matter at all. As
soon as they bring in the secondprisoner and the guard takes pains to punch
him onto the floor, I went, oh, so that's that guy's the
plant. Okay, yeah, yeah, I just kept waiting for Dean Stockwell
to be like, there are fourlights exactly. I did not like this
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one. I love it. Ilove Dean Stockwell any time to see him,
I mean, I guess I canget I can rate it above most
of these Twilight Zone episodes because justwatching him do nothing is interesting. Like
that's an actor who you look atit and you know he's always thinking and
he's always emoting, and like youcan see everything on his face. So
it's not a total wasted effort.But at the same time, what a
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boring story we've heard a million times? Yeah, crack that tooth in his
mouth and just blowing it out.Fuck man, Dune has ruined me.
For like half of the people inanything anymore. Well, I ever see
I see Virginia Madsen in something andI'm just like, oh yeah, or
I see or Kyle mclaughler half ofthe people in that movie. It's like,
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oh yeah. You know. Thisis just a strange episode as it
is just narratively disjointed because it's likecutting out into the real world which they're
imagining, and then back into thecell and then there's like flashbacks two to
a time before. It's it's bizarrebecause the time it's a nonlinear timeline.
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I guess maybe someone had an ideafor a novel and then when I'll just
put it here because I'm not gonnabother right that whole thing, but I
also want to hit every beat thenI've also worked out in my potential novel.
I mean, some of it workedfor me, but I guess it
was. I mean, really itthis episode was fighting against the cheesiness of
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the set decoration and everything. Whenthey would cut and show like a cockroach
or a rat, I'd be like, Okay, that doesn't look real,
Like I know that they were realrats and everything that I'm just like,
the walls don't look real. Andso it's already lending itself to this very
similitude where I'm just like, hmm, okay, this nothing's real in this
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episode. So and it was justso clunky when it came to the direction,
like when he thinks that he hasso that the whole thing is,
this prisoner comes in and he's justlike, hey, I've got this way
that we can teleport ourselves mentally,will teleport ourselves to another place. Okay,
So they teleport quote unquote to thisother life, and he like burns
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his hand on the stove just tomake sure that it's really real. And
then he hears all this noise outsideand he goes and he looks and it's
speakers outside. He pulls the cordfrom the speakers and unplugs it, and
I'm just like okay, yeah,this works. But then it just kind
of like loses the thread after that. I'm like, okay, what are
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you doing now? Like it justfelt like kind of like how we're saying
too many ideas. It just feltlike there was not enough direction. It
just felt like we were missing ascene or something or many scenes. Yeah,
and I like how it just keepscutting the black too. It's like,
yeah, like and it's like,was this a commercial or no,
it actually wasn't a commercial. Itwas meant to signify him leaving the cell.
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I guess right, And that heactually does somehow figure out teleportation.
I'm like, you gotta be effingkidding me. Yeah, Like that's the
big twist. The twist he's justgone. I don't get it. At
night, where did he go?Do you know? We're going? Yeah?
That was my favorite party. Like, oh man, this is a
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tough regime. Yeah, that manteleported out of there? How is this
my ball? Right? It's notgood? And I don't know what else
to fucking say anymore, man,Like, it's just a This just feels
like ring around the rosy with thisshow. It gives us a little and
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then takes everything away. Just comeon, just get two good episodes in
a row. That's that's that's whatI want. And I think this idea
had some legs. Like you said, Father Malone, it has some legs.
It could have been a good story, could have if the effort was
there to put in Yeah, amoment more than a second's worth of storytelling
writing. Again, better than alot of them, simply by the presence
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of Dean Stockwell. That's fair.I might actually recommend this one after all
is said and done, because ofDean Stockwell. If you're a Dean Stockwell
completest. If you're a Dean Stockwellmonomaniac, I'm talking to you, one
guy on the internet. We're doingyourself at this service and missing this episode
based on yes, doing you afavor, Sir who or madam whoever you
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are. After you're done watching QuantumLeap, don't forget to check out Dean
Stockwell's turn on Twilight Zone nineteen eightyfive. It'll really shuck you. Of
course, that's what I thought oftwo. When he disappeared at the end,
I was like, oh okay,Siggy, you know I would have
preferred that to this anything. Yeah, I'm not saying it's good. I'm
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just saying it's kind of watchable,just based on them. Never mind,
right, sounds like you're just retractingall this praise. Very kind of bamn,
now, you know, you know, as a as a conscientious reviewer
like you know, I was recommendingit for that one crazy human being out
there. Well and again, Imean, this is the only time we're
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gonna get to see Dean Stockwell onthis show. So oops, what's weird?
Is so the previous episode this isjust a weird coincidence. But in
the previous episode was a game ofpool, which is from the third season
of the original Twilight Zone. Ifyou watch that season of The Twilight Zone,
there's also an episode called a Qualityof Mercy. I don't know if
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you guys are familiar with that.It's an American platoon during World War Two
and like Kaawa or something, andthey have a Japanese gunnery crew like pinned
down inside a cave, right,and this is this is pardon Parcela,
season three of Everything, I guessbecause then, like Dean Stockwell is the
leader of the American platoon on theoriginal Twilight Zone, his actual Dean Stockwell,
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Yes, the very same Dean Stockwellwe're talking about. Fay is in
this original episode of the Twilight Zoneand his like second in command is Leonard
Nemoy. Before Star Trek, right, something occurs, they all wake up
there now the Japanese and the Americansare pinned in in the thing with makeup
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with transformative makeup. Oh, LeonardNimoy, Japanese Dean Stockwell Japanese. I
didn't Oh yeah this episode. Yeah, and before I understood cultural significance and
theft and just outright wrongness as akid, I thought it was a great
episode because the makeup was good,but like, it's not appropriate. I
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want to see Japanese Leonard Nimoy rightshould The ultimate insanity is that Dean Stockwell
was acting long enough to be onthe original run of this show and the
second run, and theoretically could havebeen on the second and fucking or third
and fucking fourth runs of the showas well. Yeah, you gotta wait
for season three though, that's well, hey, well, unfortunately, uh,
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there probably won't be a season threeor fortunately, however you want to
look at it if you were afan of the most recent show. If
they get a season three, Ithink they owe it to themselves to make
a CGI Dean Stockwell and put himinto an episode. They just need to
put a CGI rod sir. Ohwait, oh wait, they already did
that. Yeah, fucking assholes.It's it's not that hard to make the
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Twilight Zone. I think it's veryhard to make the Twilight it is,
you know, I think what they'rehan is or is it's not that hard.
What they're asking for is not thathard in execution, clearly it's beyond
difficult. But realistically, you're askingfor a show with a moral compass,
and you get to see where theworld compasses or nor not, and you
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get to see if there is oris the moral compass in every episode,
and that moral compass often factors intothe twist or lack of twist. N
A, come on, and youhave other episodes to draw from, and
nobody's gonna fault you if you redothem. As long you don't have to
do social commentary either for the TwilightZone, I don't know what the social
commentary and Nightmare at twenty thousand Feetactually was, or the Howling Man or
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Nick of Time like these are verypersonal human stories, which to me is
what the Twilight Zone actually was.And occasionally the ones that people overpraise,
like the Monsters are Due on MapleStreet, are direct social commentaries. There's
something, stop stopping something time.Nick of Time in the original show is
a better episode than night Time isso good? Let's fast? Yeah?
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Did they ever remake that? Itmight have a good part. I want
to say that the yeah, Iwant to say in the Jordan Peel version.
There might have been one that wasclose to that, the best version
of the show, but they didit with the internet. The kid was
done on Trump Paul Along, Igot this new app. Do you guys
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know that police have brutality towards AfricanAmericans? Let me show you in an
episode For forty fucking minutes, Iwanted to escape, not have this shoved
back in my fucking face for meto remember how depressing a world I actually
live in, kapism. Thanks Georgeand Peel, I escaped to the reality
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that I live in already. Cool. Thanks for holding a mirror up to
it. Yeah, hold right,fuck man god. Yeah. Nick of
Time is probably my favorite episode Ithink of the show period. Yeah,
I'm looking good. I'm leading inthat direct to actually howling Man, which
I meant is probably my favorite.That one is just being I've seen that
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one to answers. I remember wherethe Nick of Time thing is In the
original show, they just show thefucking devil thing, don't you guys remember
that at one point they just likeshow it. That's right, I want
to say with in that replay episode, it was okay episode the police brutality
episode right where they just kept doingit over and over. It was kind
of a little nick of time plusa little Groundhog Day. Yeah. God,
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oh, folks, I hope you'veenjoyed us bitching about everything about with
the Twilight Zone in any decade thanany media. Have you read that twilight
Zone magazine remember in the eighties?Terrible. I just downloaded almost every episode
or issue of that. No,I was I was just joking. I
like that, Okay, I Isubscribe to it at the time. Hey,
you know, not all twilight Zonethings are bad. Twilight Zone pinball
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machine, Oh my god, that'sa good one. Pretty banging, one
of the best pall machines ever.It's it's weird to me how golden the
earring song twilight Zone. That's agood one. It's weird to me how
badly everything passed the first show failed, and trying to re even capture the
a modicum of the spirit of theoriginal I will say that if you tank
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all of the bad episodes of thisseries in total, I think it's still
less than the amount of bad episodesin the original run of the show.
Like each of those seasons was likethirty six episodes when they ran for like
six years. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean so it this has sort
of room to have more clunkers too, that's the thing. Like this shows
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the limitation of the anthology series whenyou limit the number of episodes you're going
to give us, like the lawof averages says, they're not going to
be as good. Although the firstseason of this fucking show seemed pretty good.
Yeah, the first season, thisshow is real good. Yeah,
so on that once again, massivelyfucking depressing. Note. Game of Pool
was good, Yes it was.Yeah, it was in twenty twenty six
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or whatever. Wasn't that bad twentyfour twenty six, Yeah, yeah,
that'sn't terrible. It wasn't awful.Yeah yeah. On the next episode,
though, who knows if they'll begood. We're gonna be talking about the
mind of Simon Foster and the Wall. Oh the Wall. I've actually seen
it, but I stats with whitelettering on them. Yes, oh my
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god, they predicted it ahead oftime. It's like The Simpsons all over
again. Until then, Father Malone, if people were looking for you on
the Internet and they wanted to findyou, what would be the easiest way
for them to go about doing so? Go to Father malone dot com links
to my podcast Dark Destinations. It'sa half hour radio drama I write and
produce. There's also links to myYouTube channel, where I've got a review
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show and a bunch of stupid littlemovies that I make. What about you,
Mike? Where can people find theInternet's best the world's greatest movie podcast
projection? If they want to findthe world's greatest podcast, all they have
to do is go over to theEarwolf network and listen to what's that thing
called? Just Get Made? Howdo this get made? Yeah? Did
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that podcast get made? How's thatpodcast still popular? That's the real question.
It's out there? Yeah or unspooledthere? That one's higher in the
rankings than I am. So weshould do a podcast reviewing their shows.
I can't listen to them. Itried, Like, what a waste of
time? I mean, crack andwise and having nothing to say is cool.
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I'll just watched this movie five minutesago. Here are all my stupid
thoughts. I don't do research.Who's that actor? I don't even know
his name? Do you guys?Who actors are? Like? Jeezus,
Oh it hurts at the Internet ishard to use, folks, it really
Yeah. It's like when people askquestions like who was in that movie?
It would be really nice if wehad a way to find out. Oh
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you'll like this one. Yesterday ora couple days ago, at work,
somebody was talking about the really tallguy in Dune in Villeneuve's Dune, and
I was like, really tall guy, really tall guy. And then I
realized, oh, do you thinkthat Baron Harkone is really tall? You
don't realize he has suspensers on BaronHARKing. Good job. Oh yeah,
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Baron HARKing, sorry Harkening. Yeah, I got back to that movie.
Yeah, I have a I havea friend who's as nerdy as I am
and read the Dune books in highschool and everything. And she texted me,
wrote she started watching the new DuneHearkening and exactly what I said.
Exactly what you guys say, Youknow what they say. If you're gonna
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adapt the source material, make sureyou say all the names wrong. Fans
don't care, right, It's likethat awesome TV thing where they were calling
their cheney the whole time. Thathurts. Oh yeah, you can find
me on Protection Booth podcast dot comor every week I talk about movies,
and I actually try to do alittle research, though there's a lot of
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times where I just go, whois that guy? Why is he doing
that? What's up with that?Do you guys know? Movies? Is
that real? Did Danos actually snaphis fingers with that glove on? It's
like to say that that could nothappen. I'm just gonna do that the
whole time. It's a fucking movielike it's it's wild sometimes the ship that
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people get in their heads on theinternet, could Danos have snapped his fingers?
Who fucking cares? Who wrote thatarticle, who spent the time,
who wrote the piece? And thenwhy did you post it? And why
are you sharing it on my timeline? Actually the real question is why did
you waste scientists time with your dumbfucking question? Okay, okay, So
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there's this guy. He's eight feet, Dolly's purple, he's a titan then,
and he's got he's got the gloveand it's got all of the infinity
stuff. Okay, let me startfrom scratch, explain the infinities. Don't
do because if I don't explain that, none of this will make sense.
But before that, I need toexplain the universe that this exists in because
it's not our own, because ithas magic God and in it this guy
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has a metal suit and he getsinto and he flies around and it just
you know, it just happens.Whatever. Yeah, yeah, man,
somebody made money off that article.People are making money as we speak,
off of that fucking article. Clickclick click click click click. Think about
that. But you do a listenerhere listening to us, so you're not
reading that article. So you canfind my stuff at c stash dot com.
That's my link tree, cstachiw dotcom. That's where I have the
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stuff I work on, like FatherMalone said, like Mike White said,
that's where all the stuff we workon is our on our platforms. Whatever.
Yeah, big thanks to Roxy drivingNeutron Dreams for the music for the
show. We'll catch you on thenext episode. Dear listener, join us,
won't you.