Klarion the Witch Boy vs Agatha Harkness

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• 0:00:00 - Introduction 
• 0:03:08 - No-Prize Time 
• 0:09:13 - Aaron Pierre cast as John Stewart in Green Lantern series 
• 0:11:42 - Question of the Week 
• 0:12:26 - Klarion the Witch Boy vs Agatha Harkness intro 
• 0:15:44 - Agatha Harkness history and powers 
• 0:23:54 - Klarion the Witch Boy history and powers 
• 0:33:34 - Fight speculation 
• 0:42:41 - Duel results 
• 0:46:24 - Sign off 
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Episode Transcript

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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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And welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weeklyshow where we review superhero films and debate
the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparingtheir characters in stat-based battle simulations.
I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, MarvelousJoe. And in this episode, we are doing a spooktacular
duel between two witch characters, Clarion theWitch Boy from DC and Agatha Harkness from

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Marvel. who currently of course has her ownseries on Disney Plus, Agatha All Along. Yeah,
I haven't started watching it yet. I'm hopingto binge it right before Halloween, because
it feels very Halloween-y and I don't want towait week to week, basically. Well, hopefully
this episode will help people get in the Halloweenspirit, but before we get into the duel, we're
going to break down the comic book movie newsfrom the past week, of which there's really

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just one news item, and that was that AaronPierre has been cast as Jon Stewart in the
Green Lantern series. As always, we list oursegment times in our episode description, so
feel free to check out the show notes if youwant to skip ahead to a particular topic. Guys,
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thanks to everyone who supports the podcast.Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows
on the DynaMic Podcast Network this week, includingMax Destruction, which pits your favorite action

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heroes from film and television against eachother. This week, hosts Scotty and Gilly are
reviewing Beetlejuice for Spooktober. On theCedro World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates
on fights between fan favorite anime and mangacharacters. He did not release an episode last
week due to being sick, so the Muzan from DemonSlayer and Femto from Berserk episode will

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be this Thursday. And on the Console CombatPodcast, hosts John and Dean simulate battles
between popular video game characters, and yesterday'sepisode they reviewed Five Nights at Freddy's.
Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the linkin our show notes to listen to all of the shows
in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with thatout of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No

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Prize is an award Marvel used to give out tofans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize,
is a digital award we post on Instagram forthe person that we feel gave the best answer
to our question of the week. Last week we askedyou guys, who's your favorite Robin character
from the comics, and why? We got a lot of answers,8 in total, but only 3 got an honorable mention,

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and there was one No Prize winner, so let'sgo ahead and run those down. Our first honorable
mention goes to Mason Thompson, who said,
So I'll pull from the main selection. I'm gonnago with Jason, you know He went from people
wanting to vote him to get killed off To himcoming back and he's popular in the main media

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and he's a fan favorite I mean, that's justan insane comeback to not choose him He has
so much depth to him and feel just with Bruceand his connection So yeah, give me Jason is
the best Robin. Yeah, Jason Todd has one ofthe most interesting Backstories of a comic
book character ever. Fans initially hated him,like Mason said. They voted for the character

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to die decades ago. Although that wasn't reallytrue. Yeah, actually one guy used a speed dialer
to vote way more times than anyone else, soit was kind of rigged. But, you know, for the
character to come back and be arguably the coolestRobin as Red Hood is quite the character arc.
Yeah, he had a lot of attitude as a Robin, whichI think a lot of people didn't like, but...

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It makes sense to parlay that attitude intomore of a badass character in the Bat Family.
And he has a really cool look to him too, so.Yeah, absolutely. Of course, if you want to
learn more about Jason Todd, we put him in oneof our duel episodes against the Punisher.
Great answer Mason! Our next honorable mentiongoes to Travis Herndon, who said, What's up
dynamic dudes? Travis here. Shout out to myevil twin. So my pick would have to be Duke

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Thomas. Now I know he wasn't exactly chosenby Bruce. to be the new Robin it was Alfred
but Alfred is Bruce's second in command andI think Duke is pretty cool Robin at the time
and very underrated compared to like all therest of the other bat family so yeah my answer
would be Duke Thomas that's my favorite Robin.Yeah Duke Thomas was a character who came around

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during a time when Batman Bruce Wayne was deadbut he quickly emerged as a pretty popular
teenage hero within Gotham of course he wasnever officially a Robin. but he is still a
part of the Bat Family as the character of Signal,Gotham's daytime protector, considering that
Duke Thomas is a metahuman with powers. Whatkind of powers? It involves light. I forget

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the exact name of it, but he could essentiallysee the past sort of almost like in a photographic
way. Like if he looks into a room through thelight, he can see what had transpired there
earlier. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it is reallycool. Great answer, Travis Herndon. Our next
honorable mention goes to Gavin Carrasco. Whosaid? Hello, this is Gavin, first time responder.

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I am coming with the hot take of Kara Kellyfrom The Dark Knight Returns. I always thought
she was the best of Dick Grayson with his witand charm, and I always thought she was smart
like Tim Drake. And those are two of the bestRobins, so them combined made a really good
Robin for an amazing Batman. So that's my answer,Kara Kelly from The Dark Knight Returns. Yeah,

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I still remember the first time I read The DarkKnight Returns and how cool the character of
Carrie Kelly was as a Robin. She, of course,was the very first female Robin, you know,
outside of DC's standard continuity. And shedid a fantastic job. Fan favorite, totally.
A favorite of mine for sure. So great answer,Gavin. Was she Robin chronologically before

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Stephanie Brown was? Because I know Spoilerhas been a Robin as well. Well, Spoiler wasn't
a Robin until I think the 2000s. Oh. So... Chronologically,it's hard to say because the Dark Knight returns
takes place in the future. But from a publishingstandpoint Yeah, Carrie Kelly was the first
Robin. She wasn't Robin for long She moved onto being cat girl by the sequel to that story

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But yeah, she still made for a cool Robin greatanswer Gavin We want to give a quick shout
out to Cyrus Moore Daniel Alonso Daniel yougive the best answer. Basically his answer
was who cares? It's Robin and as a Marvel fan.I just loved that Shout out to Mike Williams
and Peter Trull for calling in with your answers.Thanks for taking the time to do that. But

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the winner of this week's No Prize is... MiggyMattingian, who said... Hey what's up guys,
this is Miggy and my favorite Robin is the OG,the best Robin, Dick Grayson. He's the paragon
of everything DC represents. He overcame greattragedy, the selflessly championed hope and
compassion to a world without those in and outof the costume, and grew into a respected figure
in the universe. He led teams like the Titansand the Outsiders to bring about justice. and

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even led the entire superhero community throughseveral world-shattering events like Dark Crisis,
Beast World, and Absolute Power. And he's justreally damn cool. Thanks guys. Yeah, I know
of no bigger Nightwing Dick Grayson fan thanour executive producer, Miggie Mathingian.
I agree Dick Grayson is the best Robin for allof the reasons that Miggie just stated. He

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is one of the most interesting and probablyone of the most important characters in the
entirety of DC Comics. someone who representsthe hope and compassion of Superman, but with
all of the ability and expertise of Batman,he's just a fantastic character. Yeah, if you're
a member of our Discord channel, you know howmuch Mickey loves Dick. He loves Dick a lot.

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Maybe too much, some might say, because thecharacter is just so-so. I only see him as
the character who lost to Daredevil in the duelthat we had between those two characters. Oh
wow, look, a Marvel fan with a low-hanging fruit.
Great answer, Miggy! Proud of you, Miggy! Youwin this week's No Prize. If you, the listener,
wanna try winning your own No Prize, stay tunedtill later on in this episode when we'll be

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asking another Question of the Week. But withthat out of the way, on to the news!
Okay, so a few weeks ago we learned that KyleChandler was cast as Hal Jordan in the upcoming
Lantern series for HBO that's going to be apart of James Gunn's new DC Cinematic Universe.

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Now, the series supposedly has two leads, HalJordan and Jon Stewart, and we've been waiting
to see who is going to be cast as Jon Stewart,this iconic Green Lantern character, and it
looks like James Gunn has gone with Aaron Pierrefrom the Netflix movie Rebel Ridge. Which I
have not seen. But I hear is good. It's reallyhard to be excited about this casting because

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I have not seen that yet. I haven't seen iteither, but apparently it's pretty popular
on Netflix. Yeah, and a lot of people are praisinghis performance in it. I know he has a ton
of upcoming work, including The Lion King. He'sdoing voice work for Mufasa. He's also playing
Malcolm X in the Nat Geo series, MLK slash X.The guy is definitely gonna be a star, especially

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with this series. I think the craziest thingabout him is that, I think he is green eyes
or blue eyes or something like that. They'revery piercing in a way that the comic book
character John Stewart also has. Yeah, yeah,John Stewart has green eyes in the comics when
he has his green lantern ring on, but it's likethey don't have any easy to do CGI for Aaron
Pierce eyes because yeah, those things are reallybright, really striking. I wonder if that's

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one of the reasons he was chosen. Well that,I mean, you know, he has a strong military
look to him. I believe him as, you know, thisex-military guy. If you guys want to learn
more about the comic book character of Jon Stewart,check out his duel episode we did against Quasar.
Yeah, that was a fun episode. Jon Stewart ismy favorite Green Lantern, so I'm pretty excited
for this casting, given though I'm not too familiarwith the actor. I'm more excited for this casting,

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actually, than I was of hearing that Kyle Chandlerwas playing Kal Jordan. I wonder how the two
will do chemistry wise. I know that all theactors in Final Contention for the role of
Jon Stewart had to do a chemistry reading withKyle Chandler. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.
That's great to hear. Well, if they chose AaronPierre, then you know, I'm sure the chemistry
was fantastic. I'm actually really curious tosee what the dynamic will be between the two.

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I'm assuming Kyle Chandler's Hal Jordan willbe training Aaron Pierre's Jon Stewart, but
we'll see if that's the case. The Lantern Showhas a phenomenal crew behind the scenes, including
writers Chris Mundy and Damon Lindelof. I expectreally good things from this show. And speaking
of great superhero shows, that brings us toour question of the week.

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What has been your favorite live action Marvelor DC television series so far, and why? There
have been quite a few to come out now, and prettymuch across the whole spectrum of really good
to not so good. So I'm curious to hear whatyour favorite is. Record your answer at dynamicduel.com
by clicking on the red microphone button inthe bottom right hand corner of the screen,

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which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail.Your message could be up to 30 seconds long,
and don't forget to leave your name in casewe include you on the podcast. We'll pick our
favorite answer and award that person a Dynamicduel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram.
Be sure to answer before October 19th.

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But that does it for all the news for this episode.So now let's go ahead and move on to our main
event, where we pit and a duel the two witchcharacters of Clarion the Witch Boy and Agatha
Harkness.

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Okay, Clarion the Witch Boy versus Agatha Harkness.Of course, we wanted to do a Titan duel to
Agatha Harkness because we knew that she wasgoing to be having her television series, Agatha
All Along, currently airing on Disney Plus duringthe Halloween season. So it seemed very appropriate
to do a witch duel. Now us and the executiveproducers had a hard time finding a match for

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Agatha. Initially, We had voted that we wantedto put her up against Madame Xanadu, but in
the end we determined that we could play upon Agatha Harkness's old age, as she has been
typically depicted in the comics for the majorityof her appearances in the comic books, against
the age of Clarion the Witch Boy, who's a youngchild. Both of them have cats, both of them

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are witches, both of them are pretty powerful,so it seemed like a pretty good matchup. Yeah,
it's young versus old. Cat versus cat, Agathathe witch versus Clarion the bitch. Whoa! Yeah,
she's gonna make him her bitch in this episode.I don't know if you knew that. I had to. Man,
with the low hanging fruit, you're right. Bebetter. But to explain the methodology behind

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our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator,Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners
how you go about determining a winner in ourduel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way
I determine a winner between the contestantsis by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations
using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlosimulation is a probabilistic model used to

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determine outcomes through random sampling.In this case, I randomise the statistics along
a normal distribution as a way to simulate themany variables that can occur during battle.
The stat parameters are based on the officialMarvel power grid from which the DC characters
statistics are extrapolated.
damage potential, versatility and perceptionin order to create a more detailed and accurate

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simulation. The results of the 1000 simulationsprovide a percentage of wins for each character.
Contestant with the higher percentage is declaredthe victor as they have a higher probability
to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing,neither character should win 100% of the matches.
The comic book stories have shown that there'seven a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so

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the confidence rate of my method falls in linewith the precedents that have been established
in the source material. My mathematical simulationsare without subjectivity or bias. Feats are
not the sole consideration, nor are fan votestabulated for determination of the winner.
Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though,we'd like to break down each character's histories
and abilities before improvising a scenarioon how we imagine one of the 1,000 simulations

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would play out beat for beat. And I believeit's my turn to go first this episode with
the Marvel characters backstory, so let me goahead and tell you guys all about Agatha Harkness.
Agatha Harkness's early life is largely unknown,but she has claimed to be centuries old, living
before the fall of Atlantis over 20,000 yearsago. As a child of the ancient world, she began

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her practice in witchcraft early on and eventuallybecame one of the Earth's most powerful sorceresses.
Her earliest documented activities took placeduring the 1600s in an Eastern European country
called Transia, near Wondagore Mountain, whereshe was part of a coven of witches that faced
persecution during the height of the witch huntsacross Europe at the time. By the late 17th

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century, Agatha had relocated to Salem, Massachusetts.where she established her own coven during
the infamous Salem witch trials. Rather thanhide from persecution this time, Agatha embraced
it, believing that the trials were a way tostrengthen the magical community by weeding
out those who were not strong enough to survive.She sent some of her own followers to be judged

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and executed, believing that their sacrificewould make the remaining witches more resilient.
During this time, Agatha encountered the timedisplaced pyrokinetic mutant Firestar, whom
and tried without success to burn at the stake.Agatha admired Firestar's resilience in the
face of adversity and her refusal to embraceviolence as a solution. This influenced Agatha

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to abandon the idea of open warfare betweenwitches and non-magical humans and she led
the surviving witches westward, establishinga hidden witch community called New Salem in
the mountains of what would later become Colorado.Here the witches were able to live in peace.
far away from the fear and persecution frommankind. In New Salem, Agatha gave birth to

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her son, Nicholas Scratch, who would later becomeone of her most dangerous enemies. Over time,
into the modern era, Agatha's ideals shifted,and she began to see the dangers of the covens
isolation. Believing that New Salem's retreatfrom the world would eventually lead to stagnation
and decline, she left the community to rejointhe wider world. Her departure left a void

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in New Salem's leadership. and Nicholas Scratchtook advantage of this, rising to power and
fostering a deep resentment toward his motherfor abandoning the community. After leaving
New Salem, Agatha settled in New York, whereshe became the governess for Franklin Richards,
the young son of Reed and Sue Storm of the FantasticFour. Though the Richards family initially

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had no idea of Agatha's true nature, her powerswere soon revealed when the Frightful Four
villain team attempted to kidnap Franklin. Agathaused her magic to easily defeat the villains,
including transforming her cat Ebony into apowerful panther to drive the intruders away.
Her time with Franklin allowed her to bond withthe Richards family, though her relationship

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with them would soon be tested by the returnof her estranged son, Nicholas Scratch. Scratch,
now the leader of New Salem, convinced the witchesof that coven to abduct Agatha and Franklin,
bringing them back to stand trial for theirsupposed crimes. The Fantastic Four pursued
Agatha and Franklin to New Salem, where theyclashed with Nicholas Scratch's seven children,

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known as Salem Seven, who had inherited immensemagical powers from their father. Agatha and
the Fantastic Four ultimately defeated SalemSeven, revealing the truth of Nicholas Scratch's
evil machinations, and the people of New Salembanished Scratch to another dimension. Following
her time with the Fantastic Four, Agatha shiftedher focus to another powerful individuel, Wanda

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Maximoff the Scarlet Witch. whose mutant abilitieswere intertwined with dark magical forces,
desperately sought control over her powers,which had become increasingly unstable. Agatha
saw the danger the Scarlet Witch posed, bothto herself and to the world, and agreed to
become her magical mentor. You can learn morein our Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch duel episode.

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Under Agatha's guidance, the Scarlet Witch learnedto tap into her abilities more effectively.
Though Agatha kept the full truth of her powers,particularly their connection to the dark god
of chaos, C'thun, hidden from her. Agatha'smentorship helped Scarlet Witch grow as a magic
user, and her newfound control over her powersleft her confident to marry her romantic partner,
Vision, an android, which led to the subsequentbirth of their twin children. You can learn

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more about Vision in his duel against MarshaManhunter. Wanda's children were later revealed
to be magical constructs created from the fragmentsof the demon Mephisto's soul. Agatha made the
difficult decision to erase Wanda's memoriesof her kids, believing it to be the only way
to spare her from the overwhelming grief. Thisact, though well-intentioned, planted the seeds

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for Wanda's eventual mental breakdown. Agathacontinued to aid Wanda through her personal
struggles, helping her face threats such asImmortus, who sought to manipulate Wanda's
reality-warping abilities for his own purposes.With Agatha's help, the Avengers were able
to defeat Immortus, though Wanda's fragile mentalstate remained a constant concern. Years of
repressed trauma eventually led to Wanda's breakdown,in part triggered by psychological manipulations

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by the villain Dr. Doom. In her grief and rage,Scarlet Witch destroyed the Avengers Mansion,
which led to the dissolution of the Avengersteam. Wanda confronted Agatha, demanding to
know the truth about her children. Not longafter, Agatha was found dead in her home, her
body seemingly desiccated. You can learn moreabout this in our Justice League vs Avengers

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Team Duel episode. However, even death did notend Agatha's influence. She continued to appear
in spectral form, forgiving Scarlet Witch andguiding her and others through the challenges
they faced. Eventually, Agatha was brought backto life via the Goddess of Witchcraft, who
was cleansed by Scarlet Witch during her journeythrough a mystical dimension known as the Witch's

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Road. Upon Agatha's resurrection, she returnedto the magical fold, this time teaching new
witches at Dr. Strange's new Magic Academy.It was there- that an old coven member called
Corrosion attempted to kill Agatha, but shewas rescued by her new students, including
the former Runaways member, Niko Minoru, a teensorceress. The mystical energies unleashed

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from the battle resulted in Agatha being de-agedfrom her elderly appearance into a young woman.
After the Scarlet Witch destroyed a powerfulbook of chaos magic called the Darkhold, Agatha
attempted to create a new Darkhold. Her planswere eventually thwarted by the Avengers. the
consequences of which led to the Darkhold takingon the form of a young boy, whom Agatha fled

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with in an attempt to guide him. And that'sAgatha's backstory. Powers-wise, Agatha Harkness
is one of the most formidable witches on theplanet, allowing her to cast all manner of
spells. Her witchcraft abilities include precognition,possession, elemental manipulation, and transmutation.
She can fly, teleport, cast illusions, and sensemystic occurrences. Agatha has the ability

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to summon mystical energies for offensive ordefensive purposes, or manipulate these mystical
energies to enhance, reflect, or negate theirmagical effects. With enough time, she can
perform a magic ritual to achieve any numberof spells. Her familiar, Ebony, is a magical
cat capable of transforming into a powerfulpanther and regenerating from almost any wound.

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Agatha has extensive knowledge of witchcraftgained over millennia. and has trained other
powerful individuels in the use of their abilities.She's also terribly mysterious, I'll say, even
inexplicably surviving death on several occasions.There you go. This old hag doesn't stand a
chance. Wow. Way to discriminate on the basisof age there. Good job. I don't feel bad if

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it's a fictional character, I'm just puttingthat out there. Also she was de-aged, so like
I don't know what you're talking about. Largelythey did that just- so that the character would
be consistent with how she appears in the MarvelCinematic Universe, played by Katherine Han.
Yeah, and I figured that. Yeah. Brand synergy.As I've typically known the character in the
comics though, yeah, she's pretty old. That'skind of what made her such a badass though,

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because she's like so seemingly frail, almostlooking kind of like Aunt May in the comics,
but she's supremely powerful. Well, not as powerfulas Clarion! Let me get into his backstory.
Now, Clarion Bleak. often referred to as Clarionthe Witch Boy, was born in Limbotown, an isolated
and mysterious subterranean society hidden beneathNew York City. Limbotown was populated by Kroatoans,

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who were the descendants of the Lost RoanokeColony, America's first permanent English settlement
that later mysteriously vanished. To survivein the New World, the Kroatoans had developed
a deep connection to dark magic. and necromancyover centuries. Every citizen in Limbo Town
practiced witchcraft and had a draga, or ananimal familiar, that aided them in their magical

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pursuits. Clarion's familiar was a cat namedTikal, who shared her master's rebellious and
mischievous nature. From a young age, Clarionstruggled with the strict rules and religious
codes enforced by Submissionary Judah, LimboTown's leader. Judah and the other elders dictated
how magic could be used, and they harshly discouragedany curiosity or questioning about the world

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beyond Limbo Town's borders. Clarion, however,was always drawn to the unknown and wanted
to explore beyond his subterranean world. Hesecretly began studying darker and forbidden
forms of magic, driven by his thirst for knowledgeand freedom. His disobedience did not go unnoticed,
however.

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eventually caught the attention of the townelders. And one day, Clarion found himself
pursued by the Horagil. terrifying entitiescreated when Judah and other submissionaries
merged with their familiars. Clarion fled LimboTown with Teekal by his side, narrowly escaping
the clutches of the Horagold, and emerged inthe subway tunnels beneath New York City, marking

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his first encounter with the world above, whichhe'd later refer to as the Blue Rafters. In
the subway tunnels, Clarion met Ebenezer Bade,another runaway from Limbo Town who had escaped
Clarion under his wing, showing him the manywonders and dangers of the surface world. It
was long, however, before Bade betrayed Clarion,with the intention to sell the boy into slavery.

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In response, Clarion and Teekal confronted Badealongside a group of hive-minded children known
as the Leviathan, whom Bade had been capturingfor years, also to sell into slavery. With
the Leviathan's help, Clarion put an end toBade's schemes, and Bade was ultimately the
children he had exploited. Although the Leviathanoffered Clarion a place among them, the Witch

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Boy declined as he wanted to continue his explorationsof the world beyond. Clarion's travels led
him to Manhattan, where he crossed paths witha man named Melmoth, who you can learn more
about in our Frankenstein vs Elsa Bloodstoneduel episode. Melmoth offered Clarion food
and shelter, while Clarion remained unawarethat Melmoth was the Sheeta King,

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ago by breeding the women of the Rhonok colonywith the Sheeta, a devolved human insectoid
race from the future. Mellmoth intended to useClarion and a group of young delinquents known
as the Deviant Ones to steal a massive subterraneandrill to invade and plunder Limbo Town, taking
back what he believed was his by right. WhenClarion realized the extent of Mellmoth's plans,

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he warned the Deviants about the Sheeta
Instead, Clarion decided to return to LimboTown to protect his people from the impending
invasion. Upon his return to Limbo Town, however,Clarion faced immediate hostility from the
town's people, who accused him of blasphemy,and believing he had abandoned their way of

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life, bringing back dangerous ideas back withhim from the outside world. Clarion tried to
warn them about Melmoth's invasion, but thetown's people refused to listen and instead
captured Clarion to burn him at the stake forhis supposed crimes. Before they could carry
out the execution, however, Melmoth and hisarmy arrived, interrupting the proceedings.

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Clarion seized the opportunity to escape, andas he ran to ring the town bell in alarm, he
ran into Judah, who was gravely wounded. Recognizingthat his death was near, and that Limbo Town
was in great danger, Judah passed on the titleof Submissionary to Clarion. With this title
came the ability to transform into a horrorgold, the same monstrous being when he fled

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Limbo Town. Merging with Tikal, Clarion assumedthe form of a powerful Horacle and fought off
Melmoth's forces. He severely crippled the Sheet-o-kingin battle, forcing Melmoth to retreat and saving
Limbo Town from destruction. Despite his victory,Clarion rejected the idea of staying in Limbo
Town as its leader, longing instead for freedomand adventure, sans any responsibility, and

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therefore departed for the surface world onceagain, as the She-Da attempted to overtake
the planet. When the organization Shade andtheir agent Frankenstein attacked the She-Da's
time-traveling fortress known as the CastleRevolving, Clarion took advantage of the situation
to take over the fortress and the She-Da, becomingthe new She-Da King and taking the She-Da into

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the past before he abandoned his crown. Uponreturning to the present, Clarion allied himself
with Contessa Erika Alexandria del
who led a secret global organization known asthe Agenda, which sought to cause chaos within
the superhero community. Using his magical abilities,Clarion cast a spell that swapped the ages

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of teenage and adult heroes, turning young heroesinto adults and their adult counterparts into
teenagers. The spell created confusion and mistrustamongst both heroes and the general public,
which delighted Clarion. For him, the chaoshe caused was nothing more than a mischievous
prank. another opportunity to push boundariesand test his powers, as well as have powerful

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playmates to occupy his time. However, Clarion'sactions eventually backfired when he was confronted
by a vengeful Lobo, who had been turned intoa child by Clarion's spell. Upon his defeat,
Clarion was forced to undo the spell and restorethe heroes to their proper ages. Lonely, without
his young playmates, Clarion traveled the countryoccasionally offering heroes and villains alike

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increased power. in exchange for portions oftheir souls. While in Gotham City, a fellow
Limbotown exile kidnapped Teekal, along withother Witch's familiars, in order to conjure
an apocalyptic entity known as the JudgmentBeast. But with the help of Tim Drake, Robin,
Clarion was able to rescue Teekal and returnthe familiars back to their rightful owners.

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You can learn more about Tim Drake and his duelagainst the Winter Soldier. In post-Flashpoint
continuity, Clarion encountered several mysticalfigures in New York and Kim involved with a
magical coven led by Piper, who sought to helphim understand and control his powers. During
this time, Clarion faced a mysterious villainnamed Cole, who had introduced a form of dangerous,

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addictive technology onto the streets. Clarion,always seeking new ways to strengthen himself,
ingested this future technology to boost hispowers and confront Cole. Their battle ended
with Clarion easily defeating his foe by stealinghis techno magic, further own abilities. Later,
Clarion ascended to new heights as a powerfulLord of Chaos, aligning himself with Pariah's

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Dark Army in order to re-establish DC's originalmultiverse. And that's his backstory so far.
Powers-wise, as a Kroatoan warlock, Clarionis a natural prodigy of the Dark Arts and the
Occult, with powers sourced from his bond withhis magical cat familiar, Tikal, with whom
Clarion has a psychic link. telekinesis, transmutation,teleportation, energy absorption and manipulation,

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telepathy, divination, and spellcasting. He'salso quite durable, as long as he's near Tikal.
If Tikal is injured, Clarion's power is greatlyreduced. That's Clarion. So what's interesting
there is that for the most part Agatha Harknesshas been a supporting character among the larger
Marvel She's had her own titles occasionally,but they haven't lasted very long. But according

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to your backstory for Clarion, it seems likehe's a long running character with his own
titles. I'm interested in like who created thecharacter and when did his stories really start
taking place? Jack Kirby created the character.He was originally a villain for Jason Blood,
I believe. He appeared in the Demon comics,who was also a creation of Jack Kirby's. Uh,

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he's only had a few of his own mini series though.He had one that was written by Grant Morrison.
He also had a recent one, but yeah, not toomany. Okay, so much of his backstory was kind
of detailed in the Entrakin the Demon comicbooks. Well, his own comics, I would say, like
Seven Soldiers of Victory written by Grant Morrison.Oh, I see, okay. Grant Morrison kind of rewrote

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Clarion's origin story. In Jack Kirby's originalversion for the character, he was from Witch
World, and I think that was later retconnedto Beyond Country. It was another dimension
entirely. But Grant Morrison was the one whokind of established him as being descendant
of the Roanoke colony, which is a real colonyand a real mystery in the US. Kroatoa, yeah,

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that is a weird mystery. Definitely a spookyone just in time for the season.
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we speculate on the matches and armed with thepower of mathematical simulations, discover
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Now that we got their histories and abilitiesout of the way, we're going to speculate on
how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go.The winner is determined by simulations, not

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the speculation, but it's fun to imagine howthe fight could play out. AJ and IK, what are
the rules of our speculation? Well, I shouldsay there are no rules, other than the characters
have no prior knowledge of the other going intothe fight. All they are aware of starting out
is that the other character is a threat thatneeds to be eliminated. For the speculation...
contestants will begin approximately 50 metersapart in a nondescript environment that will

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have no bearing on the match itself as no environmentalstatistics are considered in my simulations.
The contestants must earn victory on their ownmerit. Alright then let's get into it. Clarion
the Witch Boy and Agatha Harkness meet on thebattlefield. Who goes first? You know what
I think Clarion will go first by aging Agathaup to her old lady form if she isn't there

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already. then he's gonna let Agatha go, youknow, citing age before beauty. Alright, okay,
um, that's fucked up. I think Agatha will probablysmirk at what just happened. You know, she's
used to being an old lady anyway. Her cat Ebonyis gonna hiss at Clarion, and Agatha is gonna
give the little brat what's coming to him. She'sgonna use her magic to erect a dead tree behind

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Clarion. and she's going to animate the treeso that it bends Clarion over its trunk and
then gives the child a swift paddle on his behind.Okay, actually once the tree touches Clarion,
it's going to burst into green flame and thenlike quickly dissolve into ash, except for
like one small black branch that's shaped likea slingshot that Clarion's going to pick up

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and use it to magically sling green fireballsat Agatha while just laughing his head off.
Well, before the fireballs can reach her, Agathais gonna telekinetically yank Clarion's slingshot
toward her, transforming it into a broom. Okay,and she's gonna use that broom to just swat
away the green fireballs with little to no effort,and then she's gonna hop on the broom and fly

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into the night sky with her cat. And then fromthe air, she's gonna start throwing down purple
lightning magic bolts at Clarion. Ah, but Agathacan't hit what she can't see. Because you know,
as she was flying into the air... Clarion summoneda plague of locusts that's going to fill the
environment around them just with darkness,blotting out the stars and the moon and knocking

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Agatha out of the sky. Okay, but Agatha is goingto dodge these locusts and she's going to fly
around and summon a massive whirlwind that'sgoing to dispel this locust plague by sucking
all the bugs out of the sky and away from thebattlefield. And now that the moon is visible
again, Agatha is going to wave her hand overit. which is gonna turn the moon blood red

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in color, okay? And as it shines its moonlightonto Clarion, blood is just gonna start pouring
from his eyes and his mouth and nose and hisears, just like all the holes, and he's gonna
fall down to his knees in pain. That's wild.Okay, actually I'm gonna say Clarion falls
to his knees because he's laughing so hard.And while he's laughing, he's gonna use his

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own blood to draw. these intricate runes onthe ground that stop the blood moon curse,
and from the earth that his blood was spilledon, he conjures this gargoyle that rises from
the ground, and it's gonna fly after Agathaand just slash her with its claws. Okay, but
as the gargoyle approaches Agatha, as she'sin the air, her black cat Ebony is gonna leap

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off the broomstick and midair transform intoa demonic werecat creature. Like an evil panther
on steroids, kinda. And with a loud roar, Ebony'sgonna tackle the gargoyle down to the ground
and just shatter it into small pebbles and sandand stuff like that. And then she's gonna take
a shit on the gargoyle. Because it's like itwas kitty litter and Ebony turns back into

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a cat. Dude, okay. Well, as Ebony was takingthe time to take a shit,
orange tabby cat familiar, Teekel, on Ebony'spanther form. But Teekel is going to be in
the form of this giant monstrous lion. And thetwo cats are going to scream and clawed with

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just tufts of fur flying everywhere. Basicallyit's the worst cat fight you could possibly
imagine. And it's going to end though with Ebony'sneck snapped in Teekel's jaws because no way
a panther is defeating a lion. No, no, no. Ebony,the cat, has gone up against Mephisto himself
and lived to tell the tale, okay? What? Thecat was straight up turned inside out by Mephisto

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and it still came back like nothing had happenedbecause Ebony has like the most insane magical
healing factor ever. And also, I'm gonna saythat Agatha puts a binding hex on Teekal to
prevent it from fighting back against Ebony.So Ebony's just mopping the floor with Teekal
and making Teekal look like a busted ass. hairlesslion by this point. And Clarion's magic is

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weakened because Tikal is weakened. And alsoI gotta say, everyone knows any witch worth
their salt has a black cat, not an orange one.So yeah, all the basic bitch witches have black
cats. But with Tikal trapped, you know, I'mnot going to lie, Clarion, he's pretty emotionally
immature. So seeing his cat trapped in thatspell, it was probably going to cause him to

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throw a screaming fit. and Clarion's cries aregonna rattle both Agatha and Ebony, making
them feel like their heads are gonna explode.So while they're stunned, Clarion's gonna teleport
over to Tikal and merge with him, transforminginto a massive horacle. What's a horacle? Again,
what do they look like? They all look different,but Clarion's version looks like a four-armed

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werecat with like a second face on his forehead.It's essentially like Clarion's ultimate form.
And as a horror goal, you know, before Agathaand Ebony can even react, their entrails are
already strewn all over the battlefield becausethe horror goal ripped them both to shreds
match over. Wow. Well, OK. Agatha and Ebonyare all shredded and dead, except that they're

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not. In fact, Agatha is over off to the sideof the battlefield sipping tea. with Ebony
in her lap. Because what Clarion thought hesaw, that was just an illusion that Agatha
had cast as a distraction. And suddenly, Clarion'sHoracle form just drops dead. Because what
he didn't realize was that this match was alreadyover the moment that Ebony used that destroyed

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Blood Gargoyle as a litter box. Okay, becauseher poo cast a poisonous curse that seeped
into Clarion's blood, right? and it just taintedhim with this like slow death. And since Clarion
merged with Teekal, they're both dead. That'syour finishing move? Yeah, dude, cat poop's
dangerous, all right? Like it has parasitesin it and shit that can give you toxoplasmosis,

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okay? It's dangerous enough on its own, likeit can give you schizophrenia and shit. So
imagine how dangerous a demon panther's poopis. Just makes sense. Is that true? Like, yeah.
I record this podcast in my basement. Not toofar away from my cat's litter box. Well, I
mean, that explains why you're a DC fan, then.It's the neurosis. OK. You know what? I'm calling

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cat shit on all of this. No way Clarion getstaken out by cat poop. In reality, Agatha and
Ebony are already dead. The whole, oh, it'sjust an illusion thing. That didn't happen.
Well, we could leave the match there. EitherAgatha and Ebony get shredded by Clarion's
Horacle form. Or that's just an illusion andClarion dies from being poisoned with a curse.

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A poop curse. The worst kind. We'll go aheadand leave it there and put the character's
stats into our simulator, run the simulations,and come back with a winner. AJ9K, hit it!
Inputting data. Running calculations. Processingresults. Simulations complete. Alright, Clarion
the Witch Boy vs Agatha Harkness. As I suspected,the characters were f- fairly close stat wise

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and when one character did come out on top itwasn't by much. Yeah, the characters are both
a little bit vague in their magical abilitiesas witches and wizards tend to be. You know,
they can almost do anything in a sense, butthese two characters were unique in that they
had some similarities around things like fightingskill that kind of set them apart. You know,

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they're both not physical fighters at all. Yeah,and when it came to things like movement speed,
strength, damage level, range, perception, versatility,they were evenly matched. Yeah, we said Agatha
did come out a little bit ahead when it cameto intellect just because Agatha's lived for
millennia and she's not as naive as Clarionis. Yeah, Clarion is a literal child, a smart

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child, but a child. Yeah, he's not wise likeAgatha is. Clarion, however, came out far ahead
when it came to durability, because the dudehas been slapped by heavy hitters like Edric
and the Demon and Lobo. Yeah, and Mary Marvel,all kinds of heavy hitters. We also said that
Agatha got the edge when it came to evasiveness,simply because there's a lot more instances

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of her avoiding damage than Clarion. Yeah, throughher magic shields and illusion casting and
things like that. She has to avoid damage becauseshe's just not as durable. She will literally
break a hip. Exactly. So with all that in mind,Jonathan, who do you think is coming out on
top in this match? I think Clarion. Just becausethere's no young boy that's going to be taken

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out by an old woman, it's just not a thing thathappens. And so far, our followers on Instagram
agree with me. I put up the poll a little late,but so far, 55% of the poll takers agree with
me. Well, that just makes me think that we havea lot of younger poll takers that just don't
know any better. Actually that makes me feellike a lot of those who voted are children

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of the 90s considering that Clarion featuredin a prominent episode of Batman the animated
series back in the day. That's true but AgathaHarkness has her own fucking series. How crazy
is that? Well people must not like it becauseof not voting for her. Whatever. Let's go ahead
and see who won. AG9K the results please. HeyYuasa. Okay. The winner between Clarion the

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witch boy and Agatha Harkness is... AGATHA HARKNESS!NOOOOOO! That's right! She made Clarion the
Witch Boy her little bitch boy by beating himin 515 matches out of the 1000 total battles.
Clarion only won 485. So Agatha's win percentageis 51.5% and Clarion's is 48.5%. That is really

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close. Like... I don't think Agatha made Clarionher bitch. She did though, because she won.
So Clarion can cry about it. He probably will,honestly, not going to lie. But now you have
to deal with that. So congratulations. I willdeal with it by not dealing with it and more
than likely laughing at the kid. Because that'swhat happens when you mess with Marvel and

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old ladies and think that you could beat them.Old ladies can sometimes be pretty badass,
as Agatha Harkness has shown here today. I wasgoing to say that young Puritan boys could
also be badass, but I don't think that's true.Well, I guess that does it for this duel. AJ9K,
help close us out. Thanks for listening to DynamicDuel. Visit the show's website at dynamicduel.com

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Duel on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser,or on our website. Don't forget to listen to
the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network,including Max Destruction, Senjo World, and

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Console Combat. Our next episode is going tobe another duel episode. Guys, you remember
how last year we surprised you with a team duelthat was the Deceased vs. the Marvel Zombies?
We're going to surprise you guys again withanother team duel. and we think you'll be excited
by it. And hey, if you've made it this far inthe episode, we'll let you know what the surprise

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is now. Creature Commandos versus Legion ofMonsters, baby. That's right. We're pitting
like classic Halloween creatures against eachother next week and lead up to the Halloween
holiday. So look forward to that. But that doesit for this episode. We want to give a big
thanks to our executive producers. Ken Johnson,John Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcom,
Mickey Mathangian, Brendan Estregard, NathanielWagner, Levi Yeaton. Austin Wasylowski, AJ

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Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, AdamSpies, Andrew Shunk, Dean Molesky, Devin Davis,
Joseph Kirstein, and Josh Leiner for helpingmake this podcast possible. We'll talk to you
guys next week. Up up and away, true believers.If she weighs as much as a duck, then she's
made of wood, and therefore a witch.