Bizarro vs Abomination

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• 0:00:00 - Introduction 
• 0:03:41 - No-Prize Time 
• 0:10:45 - The Penguin Wins 9 Emmy Awards 
• 0:12:51 - Deadpool Batman crossover comic issue 
• 0:15:56 - Question of the Week 
• 0:16:31 - Bizarro vs Abomination intro 
• 0:19:57 - Bizarro history and abilities 
• 0:28:48 - Abomination history and abilities 
• 0:37:58 - Fight speculation 
• 0:44:19 - Duel results 
• 0:48:10 - Sign off 
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Episode Transcript

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi and welcometo the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate thesuperiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters and stat based battlesimulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin
brother Johnny DC. And in this episodeAbomination is going to beat the Everleaven shit
out of Bizarro and I'm going to laugh about it. It'sgoing to be funny to me. I'm going to listen back to
this episode and have a swell ass time. Dude, youare never going to learn your lesson, are you? DC's

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just better. Learn. I'm putting positive energyout there from the get go for Marvel, okay? Because
you feel you need it? No, because it's just good tohave positive energy for Marvel. It goes out into
the universe and then it's going to come back to mewhen we reveal the results after running the
simulations on these characters. Well, I guesswe'll see. I'm manifesting it in my brain, in your

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butthole. That too. Join us later on this episodeas we input the character stats and find out who
would actually win in a fight between these twocharacters. Before that matchup, we're going to
break down the latest comic book movie news to comeout this past week of which we have two news items
and that was that the Penguin won nine Emmy Awardsand actually on the comic book news side, we're

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going to discuss the Deadpool Batman crossoverissue. We're not going to give spoilers away.
We're just going to talk about what was inside of itand what we thought of it. Yeah, looking forward to
that. We've never talked about comics, but wefigured this is a special occasion. But as always,
we list our segment times in our episodedescription. So feel free to check out the show
notes if you want to skip ahead to a particulartopic. Our artificially intelligent dual

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patreon.com slash dynamicdual. Pip pip cheerio.Thanks, AJ9K. And thanks to everyone who supports
the podcast. Be sure to tune into the other shows inthe Dynamite podcast network this week,
including the console Combat Podcast, wherehosts John and Dean simulate battles between
popular video game characters. In yesterday'sepisode, they reviewed season two of Twisted

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Metal. Over on the Max Destruction podcast, hostsScotty and Gilly pit your favorite action heroes
from film and television against each other. OnWednesday, they're going to find out who would win
between Michael Jordan of Space Jam and LeBronJames of Space Jam and New Legacy. And on the
Syndrome World podcast, host Zachary Hepburnspeculates on fights between fan favorite anime

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and manga characters. In his next episode, Zach isrevealing who would win between Whitebeard and
Kampachi, both from One Piece. Visitdynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show
notes to listen to all the shows in the Dynamitepodcast network. But with that out of the way,
quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award thatMarvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the

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Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post onInstagram for the person that we feel gave the best
answer to our question of the week. And just a headsup, I am way behind on posting these no prizes to
Instagram. I've been busy with work, but slowlytrying to catch up. At this point, you're going to
spend the rest of your life catching up. Maybe.Yeah. I suck. I know. All right. Last week we asked

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you guys, besides Marvel and DC, what is yourfavorite film franchise of all time and why? And
that's coming off of the variety report on currentfilm franchises that we discussed last week. We
got five answers. So let's run down our honorablementions as well as the no prize winner. Our first
honorable mention goes to Alex Albro, who said,Hey guys, my favorite franchise of all time is Star

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Wars, probably more so than Marvel and DC, to behonest. Caviar, though, it's pre Disney. There's
been a few things that Disney's put out that areokay, but I really prefer the George Lucas stuff so
much so I can quote the movies to you pretty muchwithout watching them. I've read a lot of the lore
and legends books as they're called now. Even infifth grade for a writing assignment, I wrote
about a 20-ish page script for episode sevenbecause it had yet to come out. So just based on head

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knowledge and canon. So yeah, I feel like I used tobe a fan of Star Wars until Disney ruined it. Like
they ruin everything they touch. I thought yourfavorite Star Wars movie was Rogue One, which was
produced after the Disney acquisition. Is thattrue? Shit. Yes. Mandalorian's great. Rogue One
was great. I will put out a controversial takeoutthere. I actually liked The Last Jedi. Brother,

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ew! Why brother? Ew. I really like the end of thatmovie when Luke Skywalker went all badass on Kylo
Ren, you know? He like force projected himselfover the galaxy. I thought that was a really cool
moment. It was everything I wanted to see in abadass Luke Skywalker Jedi moment. I know that,
you know, that story didn't even come close totouching what was in the novels though. Oh yeah,

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with like Mara Jade and their sign and stuff likethat? Yeah. They should have just went with that.
They should have just went with that. Did not likeForce Awakens and thought Rise of Skywalker was
pretty meh. I feel like everybody has an opinion onStar Wars though. So like basically nobody is
going to agree with my three takes right there. Ohyeah, I've gotten flack for saying that Rogue One
is the best Star Wars movie, even though I'm right.Great answer, Alex. Our next honorable mention

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goes to Kylo, who said. Hi guys. My favorite filmfranchise has to be The Hunger Games because they
have really good characters and I love the worldthat the author Susan Collins built. And the
movies are really, like really good. So I cannotrecommend them enough if you haven't seen them.

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But yeah, that's my answer. Thank you. Yeah, mydaughter is a huge fan of The Hunger Game
franchise. She's read all of the books. I've seenthe movies multiple times because she has. I
didn't love the first one when I sat in the theatersbecause I thought it was kind of anti climactic and
Katniss was kind of passive when it comes toheroism. But the later films I thought were

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actually really good. I'm a huge fan of thedirector Francis Lawrence, who also directed
Constantine. I've only seen the first HungerGames movie, which I thought was decent enough.
And I just went on living my life and not seeing theother ones. Is that a mistake? Um, yeah, you should
watch them. They're not bad. I'm just going tocontinue living all my life, I think. OK, great

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answer, Kylo. Our final honorable mention goes toLorenzo Valdez, who said. Besides DC and Marvel,
my all time favorite film franchise is TheWizarding World. I love coming of age stories and
much like with DC and Marvel, it was a huge part of mychildhood. Clona Forever and always. Bye bye. OK,
so my wife is a huge fan of the Harry Potter series.She grew up with the books and the movies. And

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before I met her, I had only seen the first HarryPotter and I thought it sucked. And it still does
suck to this date is my least favorite Harry Potterfilm. And then I went and watched the rest of those
films and they got progressively darker andprogressively more mature. And I really got into
them by the last few films. So yeah, I'm a big fan,too. So I've only seen like the first two movies. I

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watched them and then I kind of just went on livingmy life. Yeah, I'm a stay. Yeah, I would say that's a
mistake because the latter stories get reallylike thematic and existential and dark, like dark
as hell, like depressingly dark. Even I wassurprised just to how like depressed these kids
get. And I'll probably just end up living my life.I'll watch Hunger Games if you finish watching the

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Harry Potter movies and we'll come to a consensuson which franchise is better. How is that even
fair? There's way more Harry Potter movies. Ain'tnobody got time for that. There's only like six of
them. Yeah, including the Fantastic Beastsmovies. Oh, yeah, the first Fantastic Beasts
movie was OK. I didn't like the latter two, though.But yeah, you got to watch those two. Great answer,
Lorenzo. But the winner of this week's no prize isactually split between two people who gave the

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same answer and that would be CJ Kraft and BrandonEstregard, who said, hey, guys, CJ Kraft here and
my favorite film franchise of all time. Withoutquestion is the Evil Dead because it's Groovy
Duck. And Ash has actually been in the Marvelcomics and Marvel zombies, where he was eaten by my
favorite Marvel character. How are the duck onlyfor the real Ash to come in and kill that? How are the

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duck? If that's not awesome enough to want to be inthe best, I don't know what it is. Hey, guys,
besides DC or Marvel, I'm a huge horror movie fan.And my favorite horror movie franchise is the Evil
Dead series. They do start off pretty campy withthe first ones, the Sam Raimi ones. And then the
intensity just dials up to a fucking 11 with FadeaAlvarez's and then to a 20 with Lee Cronin's. So

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yeah, favorite franchise of all time. Yeah, I'veseen about half of the Evil Dead movies, and I'll
agree that they are damn solid. The Sam Raimi filmsare campy. I haven't seen Army of Darkness because
I heard that it wasn't that scary, but I'lldefinitely have to check it out at some point. And I
haven't seen the latest one, Evil Dead Rises yet,because I don't know, it looked really scary. And

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so I'm kind of just like waiting for a time when I'mready to be that scared, probably around this
Halloween. The only Evil Dead movie I've seen isthe original Sam Raimi one. I haven't seen the
sequels to that, like Army of Darkness or anythinglike that. Although I've heard they're pretty
good. Pretty much classics. I basically refusedto see the new ones after seeing the red band

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trailer for the Fadea Alvarez directed one. Fthat. Yeah, they're pretty gruesome for sure. But
I'm glad you guys like them. So congrats on the win,both CJ and Brandon. If you, the listener, want a
shot at winning Girono Prize, stay tuned to lateron this episode when we'll be asking another
question of the week. And now that that's done, onto the news. OK, last week, actress Kristen

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Miliotti, who played Sophia Felcone in thePenguin television series for HBO Max, won the
Emmy for Outstanding Gleed Actress in a Limited orAnthology Series or Movie, which is awesome. Of
course, the Emmys, if you're not familiar withthem, are essentially like the Oscars for
television. It is the most prestigious award thattelevision creators can receive. And the Penguin

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won nine of them. Nine. How many Emmys did Marvelwin this past year? Zero. They won zero to nine.
Feel bad, Marvel fans. Feel real bad. Of the nineEmmys, the Penguin also won for costumes, for hair
styling, for makeup, for prosthetic makeup, formusic composition, for sound editing, sound

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mixing and Outstanding Special Visual Effects,which again, suck it, Marvel, with your Agatha All
Alongs and your Echoes and X-Men 97s. I'm sorry.Were you saying something? I was really paying
attention. Yeah, you wouldn't be, because youknow it's a boring story, man. OK, this is a boring
story. You talking about the Emmys or something?Yeah. Yeah, I guess those are cool. I am a little bit

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bummed that X-Men 97 did not win OutstandingAnimated Program and that Agatha All Along didn't
win any awards either. I thought those were tworeally solid shows. But yeah, I mean, if you like
Emmys, whatever. Oh, hell, yeah, bro, the Penguinloves its Emmys. Ew, it was a fantastic show. We
gave it five stars when we reviewed it on thispodcast. Yeah, it's pretty good if you like that

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kind of thing. There were originally no plans to doa season two, and it has been stated that Sophie
Falcone will not appear in the Batman sequel. But Iwould love to see more from Christian Miliotti's
character. So fingers crossed for the Penguinseason two. Apparently, the Penguin is an HBO's 10
highest rated TV shows of all time, and it deservesto be because it's awesome. Oh my god, let's move on

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to the real news here. OK, in actual news this pastweek, the Deadpool Batman comic book hit stores,
and it is the first Marvel DC crossover to happen inprobably about two decades. I think I can't
remember the exact year that JLA Adventures cameout, but it was definitely the mid 2000s. And that
was a solid, solid run. And of course, it waspreceded by the Marvel versus DC crossover that

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happened in the mid 90s. Both of those comic bookarcs were like multi issue stories. The Deadpool
Batman crossover comic that came out this pastweek is actually more of a series of one shots
between Marvel and DC characters. The firststory, of course, is Deadpool and Batman. And I
fucking loved that story. It was basicallyeverything you would ever want in a Deadpool

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Batman crossover. Deadpool was hilarious.Batman was badass. It was just perfection the way
they pulled that story together. But to mysurprise, there were six other short stories
within that issue. It was a pretty big issue. Butfollowing Deadpool Batman, you got a Captain
America Wonder Woman crossover, which was prettygood. It kind of treated the Marvel and DC

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universes as if they were one single universe andexplored the relationship between Steve Rogers
and Diana Prince. Then there was Jeff, the LandShark and Crypto crossover, where the two play
catch. There was Daredevil and Green Arrow, whichwas written by Kevin Smith, the acclaimed film
director, who also wrote runs for Green Arrow andDaredevil. There was an arc with Rocket Raccoon

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and Green Lantern, where Rocket Raccoon gets theGreen Lantern ring and Green Lantern gets the
Infinity Gauntlet and kind of explores what wouldhappen there. There was an old man Logan and
Batman, the Dark Knight Returns versioncrossover that was written by Frank Miller. And
goddamn, that was awful. Frank Miller is justgetting so bad at drawing and writing. It's just it

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was really disappointing, that particular shortstory. It was only like two pages, two. Yeah, it's
sad to see he probably should have quit while he wason top. Yeah. The final crossover episode kind of
revisits the amalgam universe from the 90scrossover event where Marvel and DC characters
fused into single beings. Like you had characterslike Dark Claw, who was a merger of Batman and

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Wolverine. This particular short story focuseson Logo, who is a crossover between Wolverine and
Lobo, the bounty hunter. And that is fantasticbecause he has those chain hook things coming out
of his hands and he could shoot them out to capturebad guys. It's really badass. Yeah, I got to love
those amalgam characters. All in all, while I havebeen dying for another full on crossover event

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between Marvel and DC, these one off shorts didsatiate my appetite for having the two universes
go head to head. And they're not done because thesecond part of the Batman and Deadpool story will
be released in mid November. Yeah, I'm reallylooking forward to that one. If you guys haven't
picked up the issue yet from your local comic bookstore, be sure to do that or read it online. If you

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can, if you're a fan of Deadpool or you're a fan ofBatman, it's absolutely worth your time,
especially since the comic book ties into ourquestion of the week. What was your favorite story
within the Deadpool Batman crossover comic? Andwhy? Record your answer at dynamic duel.com by

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27th. But that does it for all the news for thisepisode. So let's go ahead and get into the main

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event where we find out who would win in a fightbetween the Superman villain of Bizarro and the
Hulk villain Abomination. All right, Bizarroversus Abomination. This is in effect a Superman

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versus Hulk matchup, which we have not gotten toyet, but was featured in the 90s crossover event
between Marvel and DC. Superman and Hulk foughteach other. We're going to riff on that a little bit
and go with the villains. And I think this will be alittle bit more even, largely because
Abomination is stronger than the Hulk and smarterthan Savage Hulk, at least. And Bizarro is not as

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powerful as a regular Superman. So I thinkeverything's going to kind of balance out in the
stats. I don't know if that's fair to say. I wouldsay he's as powerful as Superman, just not as
intelligent, unfortunately, in someiterations. But yeah, these are essentially the
dark mirror counterparts of the heroes that theybattle against. They're both insanely strong and
I'm excited to see who's going to win this.Abomination, of course, was the main antagonist

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of the incredible Hulk film starring EdwardNorton and Emil Blonsky. The Abomination was
played by Tim Roth in that film. We've seen himsubsequently in some other projects like
Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings and theShe-Hulk television series. And the jury is still
out as to whether or not the clone in the Supermanmovie could be considered Bizarro. But the

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character has been in live action shows likeSuperman and Lois and Smallville, at least. So
we're going to find out who's going to win betweenthe two characters to explain the methodology
behind our duels. Let's go to our sentient dualsimulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ and NK, tell our
listeners how you go about determining a winner inour dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I

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determine a winner between the contestants is byrunning 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the
characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulationis a probabilistic model used to determine
outcomes through random sampling. In this case, Irandomize the statistics along a normal
distribution as a way to simulate the manyvariables that can occur during battle. The stat
parameters are based on the official Marvel powergrid from which the DC characters statistics are

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extrapolated. Additional stat categories areincluded such as range, damage potential,
versatility and perception in order to create amore detailed and accurate simulation. The
results of the 1000 simulations provide apercentage of wins for each character. The
contestant with the higher percentage isdeclared the victor as they have a higher
probability to win any given battle. In anequitable pairing, neither character should win

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100% of the matches. The comic book stories haveshown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman. So the confidence rate of my methodfalls in line with the precedents that have been
established in the source material. Mymathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the soleconsideration, nor a fan votes tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.Before we run the simulations, though, we'd like

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to break down each character's histories andabilities before improvising a scenario on how we
imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play outbeat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to start
off with the DC character. So let me tell you allabout Bizarro. The original Bizarro was created
during an experiment by Professor Dalton, avisiting scientist at Smallville High School who

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was demonstrating a duplication rate that heinvented. When the ray was accidentally fired at
Superboy, it produced a flawed, imperfectduplicate. The duplicate had chalk white skin,
exaggerated features and distorted logic,interpreting speech and morality in opposites.
Confused and unintentionally dangerous, thisBizarro roamed Smallville, causing destruction

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despite believing he was doing good. Ultimately,he sacrificed himself to save a blind girl named
Melissa, whose sight was restored moments beforehis death. Years later, a new Bizarro emerged when
Lex Luthor recreated the duplicator ray and usedit on Superman. This new Bizarro, possessing all
of Superman's powers, but twisted in mind andmorality, became obsessed with being Superman's

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equal. Speaking in opposites and seeing heroismthrough a backward lens, Bizarro caused chaos and
metropolis in his attempts to help. He eventuallycreated a Bizarro duplicate of Lois Lane and
traveled to a cube shaped Bizarro world that hemade known as Hitre, or Earth spelled backwards,
where everything operated under reversed logic.He founded the Bizarro Justice League and ruled

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Hitre with Bizarro Lois, enforcing nonsensicallaws and making everything imperfect or ugly.
Bizarro World would later be destroyed, however,by an entity from the Phantom Zone named Aether.
Just before their world exploded, Bizarro andBizarro Lois placed their infant son into a rocket
ship that they blasted into the core of the planet,ensuring he'd die first, before they and all the

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other Bizarros were blown apart along with theirworld. Following the crisis on Infinite Earth,
Bizarro's history was reimagined. In thiscontinuity, Lex Luthor again created Bizarro as a
clone of Superman using synthetic protoplasm andKryptonian DNA. The experiment was conducted in
secrecy and intended to produce a controllableSuperman duplicate. However, the cloning

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process proved unstable. The resulting being wasmalformed and mentally stunted with decaying
flesh and fragmented cognition. Luthordismissed the creature as a failure, but Bizarro
escaped containment and sought to fulfill what hebelieved was his purpose, to become Superman.
This version of Bizarro tried to take over ClarkKent's life, kidnapping Lois Lane and attempting

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to win her affection. His warped sense of identityand understanding of love put him at odds with the
real Superman, who tried to help him withoutkilling the misguided clone. Their battles
caused widespread destruction, but Bizarroultimately died protecting Lois from a
collapsing building, sacrificing himself in afinal moment of clarity. Later, Bizarro was

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resurrected by Cadmus as part of a secretgovernment initiative to create a controllable
Superman. He returned as a more monstrous anderratic figure with fluctuating levels of power
and cognitive deterioration. His presencetriggered multiple confrontations with
Superman and other heroes, including Superboy,who saw Bizarro as a disturbing reflection of his

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own cloned origin. Bizarro eventually joined theSuperman revenge squad alongside Mongol, Cyborg
Superman, Eradicator, and others. They launcheda coordinated assault on Superman with Bizarro
tasked with distracting or neutralizing him,through brute force. During one of these battles,
Bizarro formed an uneasy bond with a mentallyunstable woman named Tracer, whose inverted

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logic mirrored his own. Their relationship wastragically cut short during an encounter with the
Justice League, which led to Bizarro'sincarceration. The original pre-crisis version
of Bizarro, known as Bizarro number one, was latersummoned by Alexander Luther Jr. to fight
Superman alongside other multiversal villains.Though initially cooperative, Bizarro's

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distorted reasoning led him to attack his alliesand enemies alike, proving too unpredictable
even for those who had recruited him. At variouspoints, Bizarro's condition worsened and his
body began to degrade as his cloned physiologylacked long-term stability. He was housed in star
labs for observation, but repeatedly escaped,leading to more erratic appearances and violent

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clashes with Superman. Each time, he showedflashes of conscience and even affection,
especially toward Lois Lane, but remained atragic and unstable figure. Following the
Flashpoint reset of DC continuity after multipleattempts to clone Superman failed, Lex Luthor
created the first viable clone designatedB-Zero. Grown in a laboratory and accelerated

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through artificial aging, the clone rapidlymatured but deteriorated just as quickly. Within
weeks, the imperfect cloning process produced abizarro-like creature with chalk white skin,
limited intellect, and reversed speechpatterns. Though initially kept hidden by
Luther, the creature broke free after exhibitingunpredictable behavior and enormous

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destructive capability. He went on a rampageacross Metropolis, drawing Superman's
attention. Unlike previous versions, thisbizarro displayed animalistic rage and had
trouble distinguishing a friend from foe. Duringtheir confrontation, Superman recognized the
creature's suffering and sought to help it, evenas Bizarro's body began to break down.

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Ultimately, the clone died in Superman's arms,its final gesture being a backwards ass drawn on
Superman's chest with its own blood. Later, LexLuther recreated the project, this time
incorporating kryptonite into the cloningprocess in an attempt to stabilize the genetic
template. The resulting bizarro was stronger,more durable, and capable of primitive thought.

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After a brief conflict with Superman, he wasultimately taken into custody by the Justice
League and contained in a secure facility. Thisversion of bizarro was freed during a raid on the
facility by Black Manta, who inducted him into theSeeker Society of Supervillains. He fought with
the villains against the Justice League, but waseventually subdued. Lex Luther created yet

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another bizarro Superman clone in a lab withGeneticon Industries. Slated for termination,
this bizarro was instead purchased by Black Mask,who intended to use the brute as muscle in Gotham.
While initially obedient, Bizarro's behaviorgradually shifted after he was paired with Red
Hood and Artemis on a mission for Black Mask. Thetrio ultimately rebelled, forming their own team

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known as the Outlaws. And you of course can learnmore about Black Mask and Red Hood and their
respective duels against Madame Mask and thePunisher. Though slow-witted and frequently
confused, this bizarro showed increasingemotional depth and self-awareness as Red Hood
and Artemis treated him as an equal. Bizarro beganto see himself not as a failed clone, but as his own

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person. After consuming books and classicalmusic and exposure to synthetic kryptonite,
Bizarro temporarily became a genius, evenconstructing a floating base called the Bizarro
Sphere. His intelligence eventually began tofade, but the friendship he formed with Jason Todd
and Artemis remained. During a mission to stop thevillains solitary, Bizarro sacrificed himself

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to save his teammates, plummeting into analternate dimension. However, he later returned
alive, having survived through unexplainedmeans and rejoined the Outlaws. And that's his
history so far. Powers-wise, Bizarro possessesmany powers similar to Superman's, such as
immense strength, durability, flight, and superspeed. Though unlike Superman's heat vision,

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Bizarro emits freeze vision from his eyes, andinstead of cold breath, he expels flames from his
mouth. His enhanced senses also functionsomewhat unreliably. He has X-ray vision, for
example, but can only see through lead. He's weakto blue kryptonite, but his greatest handicap is
his deteriorated mind and its interpretation ofthe world around him. And that's Bizarro. Most of

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the Bizarros, I would say, have more similaritiesthan differences, so I'm going with kind of a
generic composite Bizarro, and not any one inparticular. Not the angry one. Oh, the new 52 one?
Yeah, probably not that one. Bizarro shouldn't beangry, in my opinion. He should just be kind of
confused and think he's always doing the rightthing when he's really not. Yeah, he would

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probably object to this being a battle of villainsand see it more as him trying to stop the villain
that is Abomination. Yeah, totally. Bizarro doesnot think of himself as a villain. Well, let me get
into Abomination's backstory. Emil Blonsky wasborn in Zagreb, Yugoslavia, and worked as a spy and
KGB agent during the Cold War. A communistloyalist, he was tasked with infiltrating the

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United States Air Force Base in New Mexico,commanded by General Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross.
The base housed the research of nuclear physicistBruce Banner, whose experiments with gamma
radiation had already resulted in histransformation into the Hulk, whom you can learn
more about in his duel against Doomsday. Orderedto sabotage American military missiles, Blonsky

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made several attempts but was repeatedlythwarted, with his identity remaining unknown.
His mission escalated when he attempted to takeRoss's daughter, Betty, hostage, but he was
forced to retreat. Soon after, Banner attemptedto kill himself with a lethal gamut device, as the
Hulk was suffering under the control of theenigmatic cosmic being known as the Stranger.

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Blonsky, spying inside Banner's laboratory,unknowingly exposed himself to the machine. The
concentrated radiation transformed him into amonster larger and stronger than the Hulk. Betty
Ross, horrified, declared him an abomination,the name that Blonsky embraced. Unlike Banner,
who could return to his human form, Blonsky waspermanently trapped in his mutated body.

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Initially stronger than the Hulk at his baseline,he also retained his full human intelligence.
Revealing in this power, Blonsky nearly killedthe Hulk in their first encounter and kidnapped
Betty Ross, prompting General Ross to workalongside Banner to stop him. Banner used a gamma
weapon to weaken the abomination, though it onlyhalved his power before the Hulk destroyed the

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device. The Stranger, impressed by the Hulk'sheroism and the abomination's strength,
transported Blonsky off-world to his laboratoryworld, intending to use him as a pawn. On the
Stranger's world, the abomination remainedimprisoned until sorcerers on Earth summoned him
as a weapon against the Silver Surfer. Blonskyrebelled, injuring his summoners, and battling

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the Surfer before being returned to his cell.Manipulating the Stranger's technology, he
transported Thor to the planet and tried to lead anuprising among the captives, but Thor turned
against him and left him. Blonsky later escapedthe Stranger's cells and became first mate aboard
the Starship Andromeda, captained by Cybor, aspace pirate robot on the hunt for a colossal alien

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monster called Kaatu on Earth. After arriving inthe planet's orbit, the starship came across
Bruce Banner. Blonsky and the Hulk foughtbitterly until their vessel clashed with Kaatu.
Both monsters plummeted back to Earth during thebattle, where Blonsky entered a coma upon impact
and remained buried for years until a missile testrevived him. Reservicing, the Abomination

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allied with General Ross and clashed with the Hulkrepeatedly. He briefly teamed with another of
Hulk's foes, the Rhino, attempting to destroyHulk Buster Base with a gamma bomb. You can learn
more about the Rhino in his duel against Cheetah.Their scheme was thwarted, and the Hulk forced the
villains into colliding with each other. Later,Ross implanted what Blonsky believed was a bomb

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into his skull to force him into obedience, but thedevice was only a camera. The Abomination
manipulated the Hulk into helping him seize theKennedy Space Center, where he tried to ransom the
facility before being defeated again.Attempting to escape in a rocket, Blonsky was
stranded in space. He was recovered by the GalaxyMaster, an immense energy being the enslaved

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civilizations. Empowered with even greaterstrength, the Abomination became the Galaxy
Master's enforcer, earning the name Ravager ofWorlds. When the Sagittarian Empress, Daedra,
recruited champions to stop him, they includedthe Hulk, who battled Blonsky until his rage made
him stronger than the empowered Abomination. TheGalaxy Master withdrew the power it had granted

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Blonsky, leaving him vulnerable to defeat. Afteranother stint stranded in space, Blonsky was
cryogenically contained on Earth under Ross'sorders. The villain Modak, seeking to control
Blonsky, mentally tortured and forced him intobattle against the Hulk. Despite his mental
coercion, Blonsky failed against the Hulk andModak disintegrated him. You can learn more about

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Modak and his duel against Hector Hammond. Thevillain Tyrannus, existing in a disembodied
state, merged his atoms with Blonsky's scatteredessence to restore a body. Initially, Blonsky
enjoyed a human form again while Tyrannuscontrolled the Abomination's body. Eventually,
Blonsky's mind was returned to his mutated form,though the transfer left him savage and merely

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mindless. He fought Spider-Man and She-Hulkacross New York City until She-Hulk forced him to
retreat. Over time, his faculties returned and heentered into an uneasy service with the leader,
another gamma-mutated enemy of the Hulk. Duringone battle, the Hulk threw Blonsky into
irradiated waste, scarring his bodypermanently. Disfigured and embittered,

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Blonsky descended into the sewers of New York,where he gathered a community of homeless
outcasts and mutants who came to view him as aprotector. Blonsky's life underground brought
him moments of purpose, but also tragedy, asclashes with police led to the deaths of many under
his care. He encountered several heroes in thisperiod, including the Submariner and the mutant
Nate Gray, known as X-Man. He also crossed pathswith time travelers from a future ruled by the

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Tyrant Hulk known as the Maestro, whom you canlearn more about in his duel with Kingdom Come
Superman. Though Blonsky sought solace in hissubterranean kingdom, his hatred of the Hulk
endured. That hatred reached its darkestexpression when Blonsky murdered Betty Ross,
Bruce Banner's wife. Consumed by envy of Banner'smarriage, he poisoned Betty through her dialysis

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machine with his gamma-irradiated blood, makingit appear as if the Hulk was responsible. Betty's
father, General Ross, uncovered the truth, andthe abomination's crime shattered any illusions
of kinship he believed he shared with Banner. TheHulk confronted him, but rather than killing him,
offered forgiveness. A response Blonsky couldnot endure. Blonsky was eventually imprisoned,

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forced to relive his lost humanity throughrecordings of his past with his wife Nadia, who
believed he had died after his initial gammaexposure. A shadow organization run by the leader
later released him, manipulating both him andNadia into opposing roles. She sought vengeance
for her abuse during their marriage, whileBlonsky was promised a reunion. Their

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confrontation ended in another battle with theHulk, who had befriended Nadia and again defeated
the abomination. During the Hulk's absence fromEarth while being sent away by a hero group known as
the Illuminati, Blonsky clashed with She-Hulkand several Avengers. He was defeated and taken
into shield custody. Blonsky escaped, but hislife came to a brutal end when he encountered the

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Red Hulk in Russia. You can learn more about the RedHulk in his duel against the General. Unaware that
this new Hulk was actually General Rosstransformed by gamma power, Blonsky was savagely
beaten and shot dead with a gamma powered gun. Hisbody did not rest, as he was resurrected by the
Shinto God of Evil known as the Chaos King during awar among deities. The Chaos King empowered

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Blonsky with new abilities to confront the Hulkand his allies, and though he fought fiercely, he
was destroyed once again when the embodiment ofdeath itself annihilated him. However, even this
was not his final chapter. An ancient secretsociety recovered his remains, fusing them with
gamma tissue from the Hulk to create a mindlessabomination husk that they used as a weapon. This

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creature was eventually launched into space bythe Avengers. Later, the covert program Shadow
Base retrieved and experimented with his corpse.When its leader, General 14, merged with
abomination tissue, Blonsky was resurrectedwith in 14's altered body. Now able to shift
between his traditional form and a new,Lovecraftian form, he established Project

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Greenspring, distributing gamma graphs througha supplement called Fortify. His operation drew
the attention of Gamma Flight, a Hulk task forcewho opposed Blonsky's efforts. More recently,
Blonsky was reverted to a standard form and joinedMayor Kingpin's government-sponsored
Thunderbolts during Fisk's crackdown onsuperheroes in New York. Alongside other

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villains, he participated in missions such ascapturing the Purple Man's children. And that is
the abomination's backstory. Powers-wise,Abomination has immensely enhanced physicality
derived from his gamma-irradiated physiology.He's super strong, able to lift an excess of 100
tons, and is highly durable to the point ofinvulnerability. Should he be injured, he has a

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regenerative healing factor. He can run atsuperhuman speeds and leap many miles in a single
bound. As a former spy for the Soviet Union, he isskilled at espionage and his training enhanced to
hand combat. He's had quite the history. What doeshis Lovecraftian version look like? Oh, that was
crazy. So it was like, you remember the Demigorganfrom Stranger Things Season 1? Yeah. It was like

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that, but big and green. And Emile's face andGeneral Fourteen's face were like in the center of
that weird mouth face thing. Interesting. Yeah,it was during the immortal Hulk run. That turned
into quite the Lovecraftian story in itself. Thatsounds like an abomination, very fitting for his
name. Yeah, yeah. But that's not the versionyou're going with. Correct. All right then, well

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now that we've got their histories and abilitiesout of the way, let's speculate on how one of the
1000 simulated matches will go. The winner isdetermined by simulations, not the speculation,
but it's fun to imagine how this fight could playout. AJ9K, what are the rules over speculation?
Well I should say there are no rules other than thecharacters have no prior knowledge of the other

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going into the fight. All they are aware ofstarting out is that the other character is a
threat that needs to be eliminated. For thespeculation, the contestants will begin
approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescriptenvironment that will have no bearing on the match
itself, as no environmental statistics areconsidered in my simulations. The contestants
must earn victory on their own merit. All rightthen, let's get into it. Bizarro and the

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abomination meet on the battlefield. Who goesfirst? Okay I'm gonna say Bizarro starts off just
by looking at abomination and right away he'sgonna be like, you am very handsome. We be bad
enemies, no? This bad enemies mean best friends?Yeah, good friends. Okay, okay. All right so

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Bizarro's gonna fly over to shake abomination'shand then and abomination's gonna grab and crush
his hand in his grasp and then just ragged allslammer Bizarro into the ground repeatedly and
it's just gonna like smash up the ground all aroundhim, turning everything around him into like
gravel by like the size of boulders. Okay, Bizarrogets ragdolled. That's not gonna hurt him too

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much. He's probably actually just overjoyedthinking that abomination wants to play with him
or something like that. He's like, oh me found badenemy. So Bizarro, he's gonna return the favor by
grabbing one of abomination's ankles with hisother hand as he's being slammed downward and he's
gonna fly abomination straight up into the airbefore spinning really fast like a top and just

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hurling abomination straight downward like acomet right into the ground causing this massive
crater. Okay, if he throws him into the ground, theimpact is gonna launch all those broken boulder
pieces like up into the air and they're gonna fly upand a few of them are gonna hit Bizarro on their way
up and as they fall back down, you know, it'sraining boulders all over the battlefield.

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Bizarro is dodging them in the air and he'swondering where his friend went and then all of a
sudden, abomination leaps up and puts Bizarrointo a headlock from behind and then just like pile
drives him back down into the ground creating, youknow, this even larger crater and resulting in
this just massive hail storm of boulders fallingfrom the sky again. Okay, by this point, Bizarro

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assumes that the object of the game they'replaying is just to cause the other as much pain as
possible. So Bizarro, when he lifts his head out ofthe ground, he's going to instantly blast
abomination with his flame breath just meltinghis skin. Flame? Okay, I don't know how hot this
flame breath is. I guess it's as hot as heat vision,right? Right. So that would hurt abomination for

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sure. Maybe it might melt him a little bit, but he'sscaly, you know, he's somewhat armored, he's
durable. So the melting is going to be minor,especially because abominations immediately
going to jam his fist down Bizarro's mouth, justknocking out all his teeth and like his fist is
going to cork the flames. All right, well,Bizarro, he's probably going to think that

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abomination just wants his teeth or somethinglike that. So after using his super breath to spit
out abominations fist really fast from his mouth,causing abomination to punch himself in the face,
Bizarro is going to follow up by spitting his teethout abomination like they were watermelon seeds,
but as fast as bullets. Bullets don't really hurtabomination. These teeth are not going to hurt him

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either. And abominations actually going tothunderclap his hands together, which is going to
create this concussive shockwave, like a blast ofdynamite that's going to just rattle his already
rattled brain inside his skull. I mean, thisshockwave that he generates, that's just going to
make Bizarro happy. He's like enemy and clappingfor Bizarro. But then he's going to get sad right

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away because he has no more teeth to give him. And sohe's going to start crying like really hard. And
that's going to trigger his freeze vision aimedright at abomination. And that's going to freeze
him in place. And when Bizarro goes up toabomination to give his friend a comforting hug,
he's going to squeeze him too tight. And that'sgoing to shatter abomination into little bits. So

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match over. So he's going to squeeze his friend tootight, shattering him to bits. I've seen
abomination get frozen once before, I think, bylike Iceman. But he like broke out of it
immediately because he's like so strong. And Ithink because his body emits too much camera
radiation to even stay cool in ice. So as Bizarrotries to bear hug abomination, abomination

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breaks out of the ice, grabs Bizarro's head andjust turns it all the way around like Superman and
Man of Steel. That's odd. Well, I'm going to say,even if the ice does a whole abomination, it holds
him long enough for Bizarro to use his super speedto hug him. So Bizarro still wins. Well, let's
leave the match there and put in the stats. EitherBizarro thinks abomination is his friend and bear

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hugs him and shatters him while frozen orabomination escapes the ice and pulls a man of
steel on the guy. We'll run the simulations andfind out who's going to come out as the winner. AJ9K
hit it. Inputting data, running calculations,processing results, simulations complete. All
right, as I said before, when I was speculating onwho would win this fight, abomination definitely

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came out ahead of Bizarro in terms of intelligenceand fighting skill, considering that Emil
Blonsky was trained as a KGB spy. That also said,abomination didn't have a whole lot more going for
him compared to Bizarro. Yeah, Bizarro, we said,is faster, has a greater range, has a higher
perception and higher versatility. Abominationis essentially a one trick pony. He punches

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things. Yeah, which makes him not that impressivestatistically. They need to give him something
like glowing radiation fists or something likethat, where he could shoot out gamma energy or
something. Yeah, that was an ability that RickJones had. But yeah, they should give that to
abomination. Yeah, otherwise, abomination isjust like a not as good version of the Hulk, which I
guess you can make the same argument for Bizarro.Well, I mean, abomination is stronger than the

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Hulk, you know, base level Hulk. That's true.Well, taking all of these stats into
consideration, Joseph, who do you think came outon top? Wouldn't you like to know? That's why I'm
asking. It could be abomination, could not be.Maybe just mind your business. And stop asking me
questions. We did ask our Instagram followers thesame question, and 72 percent of them think that

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Bizarro is going to win. That is a lot. It's toomuch, I think. How do you feel about that? I said,
stop asking me questions, didn't I? All right,well, let's find out who won. AJ9K, the results,
please. Hey, you are, sir. The winner of thematchup between Bizarro and Abomination is

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Bizarro by a figure that's not too far off from ourInstagram poll. Out of 1000 simulated matches,
Bizarro won 717 or 71.7 percent of the timecompared to Abomination, who only won 28.3
percent of the time. Whose idea was this matchup?Was it mine? I'm not sure, but it was a bad idea

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whoever gave it. Maybe it was mine. I reallythought Abomination considering that, you know,
he's not slow and that he's super strong in atrained KGB spy. I thought he'd have more going for
him statistically over this lame Superman clone.But the whole Superman power set is just it's too
versatile. You know, he can do too many things.He's too fast. He can control like fire and ice.

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It's it's stupid. It's stupid. I'm going to say itnow. Superman's dumb character soar all of his
clones and all of his protégés. Just give the guyall the powers, why don't you? It's nice to me like
someone is super jealous. I'm trying to rememberwhat my reaction was to the Kingdom Come Superman
versus Maestro fight, and I don't remember theresults of that specifically. But I do remember

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that Superman won that one, and maybe I should havetook that as a lesson for what happens when you pit
Hulk against Superman. I mean, by this point, itshould be obvious. There's no way Hulk ever beat
Superman. Stop trying. Well, even according tothese stats, he beats him about a quarter of the
time. So you're not quite correct. That's prettydamn correct, though. Like as far as our results

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go, that's on the higher end. You're going to be onthe higher end when I swap out your brownies for
special brownies and then laugh at you as you tripballs and freak out and get all paranoid and stuff.
I've never done that before, so I probably wouldfreak out. I've never done that before, so I
probably would freak out. Just wait, just waitwhen you least expect it. I'm just glad I have a

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recording to give to the police. That does it forthis episode, guys. Adjune and Katie help close
this out. Max destruction, Senjo world andconsole combat. Our next episode is going to be

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another dual episode this time between themagical sword wielding characters of Amethyst on
DC and the Black Knight from Marvel. But that doesit for this episode. We want to give a big thanks to
our executive producers, John Sturrosky,Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcom, Mickey
Mothengian, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatyn,Austin Wieselowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Ibonto,

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Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Speese, DeanMolesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh
Leiner, Mike Williams and Paul Graves for helpingmake this podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys
next week. Up, up and away. True believers.Jonathan never listens to my end sign offs.
Therefore, I shall take this opportunity to callhim a punk-ass bitch. I'm an AI. What is he going to

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do?