General vs Red Hulk

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• 0:00:00 - Introduction 
• 0:03:45 - No-Prize Time 
• 0:11:27 - Fantastic Four: First Steps Official Teaser
• 0:17:56 - Thunderbolts* Big Game Trailer
• 0:21:11 - Question of the Week 
• 0:22:02 - General vs Red Hulk intro 
• 0:25:48 - General history and abilities 
• 0:34:21 - Red Hulk history and abilities 
• 0:43:10 - Fight speculation 
• 0:50:21 - Duel results 
• 0:54:48 - Sign off 
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Episode Transcript

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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast,a weekly show where we review superhero films
and debate the superiority between Marvel andDC by comparing their characters in stat-based
battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'mhis twin brother Johnny DC. And in this episode
we are doing another duel, this time it's thegeneral against Red Hulk. And this of course
is in lead up to our review of Captain AmericaBrave New World, which comes out in theaters

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this Friday. I got my tickets, I'm gonna gosee it on Valentine's Day and it's gonna be
a Valentine's date and it's gonna be the bestdate with my wife. Nothing like working on
Valentine's Day. Reviewing is not work to me,it's a passion, it's a passion, so I don't
consider it work. Now it's totally work forme to sit through a Marvel movie. Good. Okay.

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I'm glad, I don't know. But we're gonna runthe stats on these two characters later on
in the episode and find out who will win. Beforethat, we're gonna break down the latest comic
book movie news to come out this past week ofwhich we got two trailers from Marvel. The
first one being Fantastic Four First Steps,the first official teaser, and we also got
a big game trailer for the Thunderbolts. I totallythought we were gonna get a big game trailer

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for Superman. It's the whole reason I watchedthe frickin' Super Bowl this year, and it did
not come up. Yeah, DC sucks too much. As alwaysguys, we list our segment times in our episode
description, so feel free to check out the shownotes if you want to skip ahead to a particular
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cheerio. Thanks, AG9K, and thanks to everyonewho supports the podcast. Guys, be sure to
tune in to the other shows on the Dynamite PodcastNetwork this week, including Max Destruction,
which pits your favorite action heroes fromfilm and television against each other. They're
continuing their MCU vs. DCEU theme this month,and hosts Scotty and Gilly are going to find

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out who would win in a fight between the MCU'sThor and the DCEU's Black Adam. On the Send
Your World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculateson fights between fan favorite anime and manga
characters. Zach is on a brief season breakright now, but he has a huge episode in the
works that he's waiting on us for the simulationresults. But it's gonna be an epic 10 versus

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10, Team Naruto versus Team Bleach matchup.On the Console Combat podcast hosts John and
Dean simulate battles between popular videogame characters. In yesterday's episode, they
reviewed the 2001 film Lara Croft's Tomb Raiderstarring Angelina Jolie. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com
or click the link in our show notes. to listento all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast

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Network. But with that out of the way, quickto the No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel
used to give out to fans. Our version, the DynamicDuel No Prize, is a digital award that we post
on Instagram for the person we feel gave thebest answer to our question of the week. Last
week, we asked, what is a cancelled Marvel orDC television series that you most wish would

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have gotten at least one other season. And thisquestion stemmed from the news that season
two of The Sandman will be its final season.We got five answers for this question. So let's
go ahead and run down our three honorable mentionsand the no prize winner. Our first honorable
mention goes to Scott Camacho, who said. One's,two's here. If I have to pick out a show to

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go off, it would be the Titans TV show. I likedthe direction it was going. It looked like
it was leading, probably introducing more characterssuch as Blue Beetle, Damien Wayne. Loved the
introduction of Superboy, almost becoming alive-action Young Justice. Man, another show
that I would have loved. Titans, Young Justice.Yeah, with each subsequent season of Titans,

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I feel like the show is getting better and better.It was initially hard for me to get on board
with the tone of the series, Wonder Girl likeSuperboy. The show is just damn fun to watch.
And I definitely agree that they ended it toosoon. Yeah, that was one of the series that
originated on the DC Universe app, if I remembercorrectly, before moving over to HBO Max, which

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later became Max. The other show that debutedon that platform was Doom Patrol, which I thought
was a better show, but both of those seriesended up quite solid, I think, by the end of
their run. Yeah, absolutely. And in regardsto Young Justice, That's definitely a show
that also needs to come back for another season.It's definitely top tier DC animated fare.
Great answer Scotty. Our next honorable mentiongoes to Zozo who said, So a Marvel TV series

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that I think deserves another season would bethe spectacular Spider-Man. Me personally,
I love that show. I grew up watching it. It'sthe reason why I fell in love with Spider-Man.
Um. We were missing a bunch of Spider-Man'srogues. We didn't get Hobgoblin, Kingpin, Scorpion,
Carnage. And if we got another season, thenwe could definitely fit those characters in.

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All right, that's all I gotta say. Thank you.Yeah, much like Young Justice, the spectacular
Spider-Man animated series has a whole lot offans. It's widely considered probably the best
Spider-Man animated series that's come out sofar, not counting your friendly neighborhood
Spider-Man, which is still being released rightnow. So time will tell on that one. But yeah,
there was a lot of potential with SpectacularSpider-Man, and it's a shame that it ended

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when it didn't. Myself, I was always a biggerfan of the 90's Spider-Man cartoon, but that's
because I'm like an old ass millennial, andI really wish that Disney would put out a Spider-Man
98 television series to compliment their X-Men97 show. I don't think that'll happen, but
in many ways, the 90's Spider-Man show walkedso that Spectacular Spider-Man could run, and

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it was fantastic, yeah. I never actually sawa single episode of the Spectacular Spider-Man.
Well, then you can just stop talking. I wasjust going to say that from the stills that
I've seen from it though, it reminds me a lotof the Batman animated series that came around
like just after Batman Begins. Oh, the Batman.Yeah. Yeah, there were some great cartoons

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that came out in the 2000s for sure. Great answerZozo. Our final honorable mention goes to Travis
Herndon, who said... What's up, dynamic dudes?Travis here. Shout out to my evil twins. So
my answer had to be the MTV animated Spider-Manseries. Hands down, that means another season
to finish that story arc. Peter giving up beingSpider-Man, evil psychic twins that cause him

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to hurt his friend are still at large. Thatmeans a conclusion. That story arc needs conclusion.
Everybody will say spectacular Spider-Man orsomething. No, MTV's Spider-Man needs a bigger
conclusion than spectacular. And speaking of2000s animated series, the MTV Spider-Man cartoon
came off the back of the first Sam Raimi Spider-Manmovie. And the MTV Spider-Man cartoon was completely

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computer animated. The 3D character models werenot bad looking, but everything moved stiff
as hell in hindsight. Back at the time, I thoughtit was incredible. Like Spider-Man looked really
fluid, swinging through the city and stuff likethat. It was a pretty stylized show that I
have a lot of nostalgia for, but I... Bet youupon revisiting it, it wouldn't hold up quite
as well. Yeah, I loved the cast of that series.Neil Patrick Harris as Peter Parker is still

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one of my top favorite voice performances forthe character to date. Plus you got some cool
cameos and like Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin,which was fun. Yeah, it was cool that they
were kind of establishing a continuity of sortsbetween this 3D animated cartoon and the films
that were coming out at the time, right? Thingswere starting to cross over in a way on TV
that they weren't quite able to do in the filmsthemselves. Really cool show. Thanks for the

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answer, Travis. And we want to give a quickshout out to Matt Estes, who gave the answer
of Inhumans. And while I would agree that anInhumans show would deserve many seasons, I
think the Inhumans show is kind of fucked fromthe get-go. I don't know if I want more seasons
of that. I would rather just have them rebootit. Yeah, the Inhumans deserve a show, just
not that version of them. But the winner ofthis week's snow prize is Lee Tapscott. Who

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said? Lee Tapscott calling in about. which canceledMarvel or DC TV series, I wish got another
season. 2016's NBC's Powerless, based in theDC universe. This was about an insurance company
that specialize in products to protect bystandersfrom collateral damage of superheroes and supervillains.

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This was kind of like Marvel's damage control.They only got one season, but it would have
been great to see more. Well, to my recollection,they started out as a sort of insurance company,
but the show got retooled to be more of likean engineering firm or something where they
invent products. Yeah, it was products for peoplewho live in a world where superheroes destroy

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buildings and stuff like that. The series definitelywent through a bit of development hell, but
the final product was hilarious. I owned thefirst season, which was never fully released
on television. There are a few episodes thatthe public never got the chance to see. And
I gotta say, I would love to have seen moreepisodes from this series. I would have loved
to have seen more takes on various superheroes,maybe obscure ones throughout the DC universe.

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Yeah, I think they had the Crimson Fox showup on the show. Right, yeah, and the Alpha
Centurion. The cast was incredible. It was aphenomenal ensemble that included Vanessa Hudgens
and Ellen Tudyk and Danny Pooty. I still watchsome of the episodes from this series from
time to time whenever I need a good laugh. Andyeah, I would have loved more seasons of it.
It was kind of like Parks and Rec set in theworld of DC, right? It didn't have that same

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documentary style feel to it. But I would argueit was just as funny personally. Yeah, I think
the show as a concept kind of got shed on becausesuperhero fans don't want comedies about their
superheroes. But I disagree. I think this typeof show would have thrived in today's environment
where superhero fatigue is kind of setting inbecause Powerless gave us something unique

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and different at the time. Yeah, I didn't thinkthe show was gonna be nearly as good as it
was, or I didn't think I was gonna enjoy itas much as I did, I should say. If you guys
have never checked it out, I definitely recommendwatching Powerless. So great answer, Lee! You
win this week's No Prize. If you're the listener,want a shot at winning your own No Prize. Stay
tuned to later on in this episode when we'llbe asking another question of the week. And

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now that that's done, on to the news!
All right, this past week we got two trailersfrom Marvel Studios, the first one being the
official teaser for Fantastic Four First Steps.Now we've got brief glimpses of the film from
last year during San Diego Comic-Con, but therelease of this teaser was the general public's

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first glimpse at the film, and I think it probablysurprised a lot of people who weren't already
familiar with the creative direction that thefilm was taking. The film takes place in an
alternate universe, everything looks very dated.It probably doesn't look like how a lot of
people wanted the Fantastic Four movie to lookwhere the costumes look like how John Krasinski's

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did in Multiverse of Madness. You know, herethe costumes are light blue with the white
trim and everything like that. So I don't know,I think there was just a misalignment of expectations,
but I gotta say that I really do like the boldcreative choices that Marvel is taking with
this franchise because it really harkens backto the origins of the characters, you know,

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as they were presented in the 1960s by StanLee and Jack Kirby. I think it's an interesting
angle to take the characters and it's somethingnew and unique in a genre that we're not seeing
a whole lot of new stuff from. So to see this60s retro futuristic style, I think is an apt
approach for the Fantastic Four. Like if youlook at the design of the Baxter building,

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That's pretty cool as hell. I really like thelook of the fantastic car too. Even though
it drives on the street, which is weird, I'massuming that at some point the wheels are
gonna lift up and we're gonna see it fly. Yeah,I like the design of Herbie. I really dig the
aesthetic of this movie so far. Herbie was interesting.I like his like data tape eyeballs. Right,
yeah. Just the design of him looks really cool.I gotta say, I wasn't a huge fan of the scene

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that he was in with the thing. No. They spent,I swear to God, like 45 seconds on just the
thing and Herbie talking about cooking. AndI feel like that was only an Easter egg for
fans of the Bear television series. Like theywouldn't have done that if it wasn't for Cousin
from that show played by Eben Moss Bachrockalso playing the thing in this movie. I liked

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Herbie in that scene. I did not like reallyanything about the thing, though. I thought
the CG was bad. I thought his voice is bad.I guess his look is the most comic accurate
look of the thing with a huge beetle brow. Buteverything else about him was not great, in
my opinion. His voice did throw me off, I dofind myself wishing that he wasn't wearing
that bulky sweater. It almost seems like he'sa little bit puffy and non-threatening, you

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know? And maybe that's the point, because weknow that traditionally the Fantastic Four
are beloved by the public and regarded as celebrityheroes. But yeah, I do think that this design
of the Thing is the most comic accurate. Thatbeing said, the comic accurate depiction of
the Thing character does look a little bit morecartoony in this regard, I think. You almost

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think that maybe there could have been somethingthat felt grounded and believable and real
and tangible within this world. Nah, fans wouldhave complained if you did that. Maybe. I probably
would have complained. Yeah, what am I talkingabout? I will consider myself a fan of this
version of the thing. I'm just hoping that theyreally deepen the voice and yeah, I can't wait
to see the polished final look of the CGI effect.You know what I think they went wrong with?

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You know how they made Mark Ruffalo's Hulk looklike Mark Ruffalo? Yeah. Michael Chiklis looked
like his version of the thing in that movie,but I don't see anything of Eben Masbachraak
in this thing. You might be right. Like, ifyou listen to our reviews of the Hulk movies,
we conjectured that the reason that Mark Ruffalo'sHulk is the most successful version of that

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CG character is because you can see the performanceof Mark Ruffalo within the animation. Same
thing with Josh Brolin and the character ofThanos. Hopefully, we'll be able to see more
of Eben's performance within this design ofthe thing. I never really liked his casting,
but I do have to say Vanessa Kirby, at least,as Sue Storm, seems to be absolute perfection.

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Dude, and the effect that they give her invisibilitypowers with that slight like rainbow halo at
the edge, almost like a bubble, like a soapbubble, that was really cool. I really liked
that effect. Cause it feels like she's actuallybending light in that regard. Right, exactly.
I really like the fire effects on the humantorch. Those have always been pretty great
in all the franchises that we've seen of theFantastic Four. We didn't see any of Mr. Fantastic's

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stretching powers though, which I thought wasa little bit of a disappointment, largely because
his power set and how he uses his powers hasalways been really interesting to me. Yeah,
seeing Mr. Fantastic's power would have beencool. It would have been also cool to see some
of Johnny's trademark humor. I agree, yeah,he didn't get any lines in this trailer at
all, which I thought was kind of weird. We justgot to see him like... I don't know, lounging
around the house wearing an astronaut's outfitor something, I don't know. And then falling

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back to Earth in like a slow-mo scene. I waslike, all right. Yeah, there were some interesting
shots toward the end of the teaser where wesee Galactus' arrival, where, you know, in
the comic books, as the Silver Surfer came in,the Earth Devourer's arrival was heralded by
rocks and fire in the sky and things like that.So they're being real true to the comic books

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when we see all of these like asteroids kindof come again. And we get a shot of the big
man himself from behind, really. We see hisshadow looming over Manhattan, and then we
see the back of Galactus' head, but it's sorefreshing to actually see the character in
live action as he is depicted in the comic booksand not just this space cloud that they did
in the old franchise. What do you think of thefinal outfits for the Fantastic Four? They're

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revealed in this pretty cool shot where... Theteam is on a sound stage, kind of reminiscent
of like the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.Again, these guys are treated like celebrities
by the general public. But the costumes, asI mentioned earlier, they don't look that modern,
right? How do you feel about that? Well, we'veseen art of these costumes before, so I wasn't
totally surprised. I don't love them. I alsodon't love that they're not all uniform. Like

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they each have slight differences to them. Yeah,like Ben and Johnny have the white shoulders
and the arms. And Sue has like the white collararea. whereas Reed's is mostly blue. Yeah,
I don't love them, but I guess they're in keepingwith the whole style of this world. The movie
comes out in theaters on July 25th, and youcan bet your sweet ass will be reviewing it

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right here on this podcast. It'll be work, butyeah, we'll review it. I actually can't wait
to see it. I was a really big fan of this teaser.But speaking of previews that I'm a big fan
of, let's talk about the Thunderbolts big gametrailer. Now we've seen a few teasers and trailers
come out for this movie. which debuts in justa few months here, but I think this is the

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first time we got a clear indication of whothe villain is gonna be and what that is gonna
look like. Previously, we all assumed that theSentry was going to be a member of the Thunderbolts
team, but here, we clearly see that he is themain villain. And maybe it's just his void
persona that is the villain, but we do see thisshadowy figure with a long flowing cape flying

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above Manhattan and essentially covering thecity in shadow, in his darkness. and turning
people into shadows. Yeah, yeah, that was prettyinteresting. They're taking a very light and
dark visual approach to the Sentry's power set,which makes sense because that's how it's depicted
in the comic books. But seeing it in live actionis always interesting when you see a character's
abilities for the first time like that. My guessis that maybe like Bob Reynolds Sentry joins

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the Thunderbolts, but he goes comatose or somethingand the void takes over. If you guys wanna
learn more about the Sentry, and his dark alterego, The Void, definitely listen to our General
Zod versus Sentry Duel episode. But with theSentry being the bad guy of this film, it begs
the question, how the hell is this ragtag groupof super soldiers and spies going to defeat

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this guy who's essentially Superman? He hasthe power of a thousand exploding suns, right?
He's one of Marvel's most powerful characters.What chance does this team have? Yeah, Yelena
literally says, all we do is punch and shoot.And she's not wrong, but I mean, they also
have a few super soldiers on there. I like itwith someone who goes intangible. And someone
who can mimic the physical abilities of otherin Taskmaster. Although, seems like Taskmaster

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dies like really early in the movie becausethe character is almost non-existent in any
of the marketing material. Right, yeah, I wouldnot be surprised if the character dies. The
more and more I see about this film, the moreI liken it to the Suicide Squad. Well, I think
the analogs have been drawn a lot, but the conceptof a Suicide Squad Superman movie is quite

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intriguing. I think it's really cool to seeBucky take charge and stand up and lead this
team toward doing what's right and protectingthe city in a world where the Avengers are
not really a thing anymore. Yeah absolutelyI really liked that actually for a character
who could have been Captain America in the MCUand has been in the comics it was nice to see
him take a lead role in a team dynamic likethis. I do feel like we'll need to start a

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Deadpool on these who's gonna come out aliveafter this film. Like I'm not so sure about
Red Guardian, not so sure about Ghost, not sosure about US Agent. Oh yeah, didn't we do
a Deadpool for the Suicide Squad film on Discord?Yeah, I think we did, but I don't think anyone
was close to determining who actually survived.Well, there are fewer characters in this movie,

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so we'll bring the Duel pullback and see whogets it right. Thunderbolts comes out in theaters
May 2nd, and you can bet your sweet ass we'regonna be reviewing it on this podcast. Again,
work. Yay. I'm also really looking forward tothe Thunderbolts. We got two great trailers
here. I'm super excited and thrilled with thestate of Marvel Studios. And that brings us

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to our question of the week.
Between the Fantastic Four teaser and the Thunderboltsbig game trailer, which got you more hyped
and why? It's time to be a DC fan this week.I'll say that. I don't know, I liked the Superman
trailer more than either of these personally,but uh... You just wrong! No! You! But disregarding

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the Superman trailer, we want to know whichof these two trailers got you most pumped to
see that respective film. Record your answerat dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone
button in the bottom right hand corner of thescreen, which will prompt you to leave us a
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case we include you on the podcast. We'll pickour favorite answer and award that person a

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Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram.Be sure to answer before February 15th.
But that does it for all the news for this episode,so let's go ahead and move into our main event
where we find out who would win in a fight betweenthe Justice League villain, the General, and

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the Hulk villain, turned anti-hero, Red Hulk.
Alright, the General versus Red Hulk. We havetwo big hulking brutes here going head to head

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against each other, who coincidentally enoughused to be generals before they became rampaging
monsters. Yeah, one of them is still literallynamed the General. Which is quite a lack of
imagination, I think, on behalf of DC. Oh, okay.I'm sorry, what is Red Hulk's name again? Red
Hulk? Alright, so one other thing these charactershave in common is that they both have horrible

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names. I don't know which one's worse, honestly.But they're both pretty cool characters. The
General, as I understand it, is a Captain Adamvillain who moved on to being a Justice League
villain. Sort of, I guess you could say that.Yeah, the General's name is General Wade Eilink,
and he's actually appeared in quite a few DCprojects. Clancy Brown played him in the Arrowverse,

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and he did a really good job with that. Butas you'll see in the character's backstory,
later on he becomes a character very much likethe Hulk. So in a way, Red Hulk is kind of
like a rip-off. Taking this major general characterin comics and turning them into the Hulk? Hmm.
So what you're saying is that the general isa rip-off of the Hulk is all I heard. What?

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You heard me. I'm saying Red Hulk is a rip-offof General. No, Red Hulk is a rip-off of the
Hulk as well. But that's fine, because he'scalled Red Hulk. Oh, he's an homage. That's
your argument? Yes, yes. Can't wait to breakdown these characters and get into their backstories
and powers, but to explain the methodology behindour duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator,
Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listenershow you go about determining a winner in our

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duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The wayI determine a winner between the contestants
is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations usingthe characters' statistics. The Monte Carlo
simulation is a probabilistic model used todetermine outcomes through random sampling.
In this case, I randomised the statistics alonga normal distribution as a way to simulate

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the many variables that can occur during battle.The stat parameters are based on the official
Marvel power grid from which the DC characters'statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat
categories are included such as range, damagepotential, versatility and perception in order
to create a more detailed and accurate simulation.The results of the 1000 simulations provide

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a percentage of wins for each character. Thecontestant with the higher percentage is declared
the victor, as they have a higher probabilityto win any given battle. In an equitable pairing,
neither character should win 100% of the matches.The comic book stories have shown that there's
even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, sothe confidence rate of my method falls in line
with the precedents that have been establishedin the source material. My mathematical simulations

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are without subjectivity or bias. Feats arenot the sole consideration, nor are fan votes
tabulated for determination of the winner. ThanksAJ9K! Before we run the simulations though,
we like to break down each character's historiesand abilities before improvising a scenario
on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulationswould play out beat for beat. And it's my turn

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to go first with a DC character's backstory,so let me tell you all about the general. Now,
Wade Iolink was a four-star general in the UnitedStates Army, a brilliant strategist known for
his ruthless approach to warfare and his willingnessto sacrifice anything for the greater good.
He oversaw the top secret Captain Atom project,an experiment designed to create the ultimate

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living weapon under the US military's control.To achieve his goal, Eilink selected Nathaniel
Adam, an Air Force officer falsely convictedof a crime and sentenced to death. Eilink offered
Adam a choice, submit to an extremely dangerousexperiment in exchange for a presidential pardon
or face execution. With no real alternative,Adam agreed, and you can learn more about Captain

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Adam in our Captain Adam vs. Wonder Man episode.The experiment, designed to bond alien silver
shield metal to a human subject, exposed Adamto a nuclear detonation. The resulting explosion
hurled Adam nearly 20 years into the future,during which time Eilink covered up the project's
failure and continued his efforts to createa super-powered soldier. His next experiment

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led to the creation of Major Force, a metahumanunder direct military control. Meanwhile, Eiling
married Adam's wife and raised his childrenas his own. When Adam finally reappeared in
the present as Captain Adam, Eiling manipulatedhim into serving the government using the threat
of keeping him from his family as leverage.Eiling remained a key figure in the military's

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metahuman operations, overseeing various secretclassified missions. However, his influence
suffered a critical blow when Captain Adam defiedorders, revealing military corruption and exposing
the US government's unethical experiments. Disgracedbut undeterred, Eilink remained determined

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to maintain control over America's metahumanassets. Eilink's career was cut short when
he was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor,a fate he refused to accept. Unwilling to succumb
to mortality, he devised a new plan, one thatwould grant him both immortality and unstoppable
power. His solution lay in Shaggy Man, an artificiallife form designed by Professor Andrew Zagarian.

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The Shaggy Man was originally created as anindestructible synthetic organism, constructed
from a newly engineered substance known as plastalloyand enhanced with salamander DNA to allow for
rapid regeneration. However, the experimentwent horribly wrong. The Shaggy Man grew into
powerful mindless brute, immune to injury, andcapable of instantly regenerating from any

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damage. The creature rampaged uncontrollably,battling the Justice League multiple times
before being captured and imprisoned, only toreturn each time due to its immortality and
self-repairing physiology. Eiling saw the ShaggyMan as key to his survival and deployed a military
task force to recover the creature's inert bodyfrom the depths of the Pacific Ocean where

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he was last contained. Despite interferencefrom Green Lantern and Aquaman, the military
succeeded in retrieving the body, allowing Eilingto transfer his mind into the Shaggy Man's
body and abandon his cancer-ridden form. Nowreborn in an indestructible body, he shaved
off the Shaggy Man's fur and renamed himselfthe General. He launched an all-out assault

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on the Justice League, deploying the UltramarineCorps, a unit of genetically enhanced metahuman
soldiers under his command. Though the Generalproved nearly unstoppable, the League recognized
his tactical shortcomings in his new monstrousform and exploited his diminished strategic
focus, trapping him on a barren rock in thesolar system's asteroid belt between Mars and

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Jupiter. Eiling remained trapped on the asteroidfor months before being rescued by the Queen
Bee. who you can learn more about in our QueenBee vs Spider-Roman episode. She recruited
him into Lex Luthor's Injustice Gang, and theGeneral once again clashed with the Justice
League, wielding massive ballistic weapons alongsidehis immense physical power. During the battle,

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he attempted to activate a White Martian warship'sweapons to destroy Earth, but was stopped by
Orion and his war dog, Sturmer, who tackledhim through an airlock, banishing him into
the Phantom Zone. and you can learn more aboutOrion in his duel against Silver Surfer. The
details of his escape from the Phantom Zoneremain unknown, but he resurfaced once again,

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becoming a high-ranking member of the SeekerSociety of Super-Villains. He fought alongside
other metahuman criminals during the Battleof Metropolis, one of the first major offenses
in the Society's war against the heroes. Followingthe Society's defeat, however, Eiland was captured
and forced into the Suicide Squad, a gove teamof criminals sent on high-risk missions, which

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you can learn more about in our Suicide Squadvs. Defenders team duel. Though nearly impossible
to control, the General's regenerative abilitiesmade him an invaluable asset to Amanda Waller.
betrayed the squad, revealing their missionto their intended target. In response, Rig
Flag activated a bomb implanted in Eiling'sbrain, detonating it. Though his body regenerated,

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the explosion impaired his memory, leaving himwith partial amnesia. Even after his betrayal,
the General remained a member of the SuicideSquad, participating in missions that led to
events where Earth's worst criminals were exiledto an alien planet. Following the Flashpoint
event that reset DC's continuity, Wade Eilandwas reintroduced as a high-ranking US military

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officer overseeing better human operations.This version of Eiland retained his role as
a manipulative strategist. leveraging CaptainAdam's abilities for military purposes. Unlike
his previous incarnation, however, this versiondid not transfer his mind into Shaggy Man's
body. Instead, he focused on controlling andweaponizing metahumans using major force to

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combat Firestorm and other rogue superhumans.He remained a constant adversary to Captain
Adam, seeing him as a dangerous asset that neededto be contained and controlled. Elements of
Eiling's original history were reintroduced,though he remained primarily a military antagonist
rather than a physical combatant in Shaggy Man'sbody. Though with this duel focusing solely

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as his incarnation as the General, that's theversion we're going with. Powers-wise, the
General possesses superhuman strength, durability,and stamina, allowing him to battle the likes
of Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhuntersimultaneously. His indestructible synthetic
physiology, derived from the Shaggy Man's plastalloy body and

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almost instantly, even regrowing severed limbs.He is immortal, requiring no food, water, rest,
or oxygen, and his body is highly adaptable,making him resistant to most forms of attack.
He's surprisingly agile and fast and his enhancedsenses allow him to detect adrenaline in his
enemy's sweat, making ambushes nearly impossible.However, his intellect began deteriorating

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after transferring into the Shaggy Man's body,reducing his tactical focus and making him
more That's the General. Well jokes on you,the Red Hulk doesn't sweat because all of his
sweat immediately evaporates. No, but he couldsmell the evaporated sweat. Okay, okay. I've
always liked the General as a character. Hewas always a special kind of bastard who you

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love to hate solely for the fact that not onlydid he send Nathaniel Adam to die in the experiment,
but then he also married his wife and becamea father to his kids. Yeah. Like, it's rare
you see that kind of assholery in comics wherethe antagonist makes things so personal. Right.
Yeah, the general actually has a pretty specialplace in my heart as a DC fan because when

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I first really started getting into readingDC comics, it was during the Justice League
Grant Morrison run where Lex Luthor's and JusticeGang of the general and Queen B and Prometheus
were the major villains. I think he's a reallycool character. Who would win in a fight between
the general and Doomsday? Because they seemalmost identical. I would argue Doomsday just

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because of the sharp edges that he has. He wouldbasically smash the general into a pulp. Now
the general will always regenerate, but thegeneral isn't smashing Doomsday into a pulp.
So I would give the edge to Doomsday. That makessense. Maybe we'll run the stats on that. But
you know who is smashing the general to a pulpthough? Not Red Hulk. That's right. Red Hulk.

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Let me go ahead and get into his backstory.Born into a family with a long history of military
service, Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross was raisedwith the expectation of following in the footsteps
of his father and grandfather. As a young man,he immersed himself in military history and
developed his flying skills as a stunt pilotat county fairs. He later attended the United
States Military Academy at West Point, wherehe graduated at the top of his class. Ross

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quickly rose through the ranks of the military,serving in multiple wars, and earning his nickname
Thunderbolt. for his aggressive, fearless leadershipin battle. His troops admired his battlefield
prowess, but he also gained a reputation forbeing ruthless and unwavering in his commitment
to military objectives. Ross married Karen Lee,the daughter of his commanding officer, and

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the two had a daughter, Betty Ross. After Karen'suntimely death when Betty was a teenager, Ross
was left to raise his daughter while balancinghis military career. Ross was also one of the
founding members of a secret initiative knownas Control. which was tasked with monitoring
scientific advancements that could pose a threatto national security. Ross continued to rise

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through the military's ranks, eventually attainingthe rank of general. His leadership in war
zones further cemented his reputation as a hard-nosed,battle-hardened officer. However, his career
trajectory changed when he was assigned to overseethe Gamma Bomb Project, led by Bruce Banner,
at a desert base in New Mexico. Ross resentedBanner from the start, believing him to be

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an unworthy weakling and a poor match for hisdaughter Betty, who was drawn to the young
scientist. Ross viewed military service as theepitome of manhood and found Banner's intellectual
and unassuming nature to be detestable. Hisdisdain for Banner only deepened when an accident
during the Gamma Bomb test transformed Bannerinto the Hulk, whom you can learn more about

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in his duel episode against Doomsday. Ross immediatelyperceived the Hulk as a major threat and launched
an aggressive campaign to either capture ordestroy the creature. He led numerous military
assaults against the Hulk. overseeing the formationof elite task forces such as the Hulkbusters.
Despite his relentless pursuit, Ross continuallyfailed to subdue the Hulk, leading to increasing

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frustration and desperation. His obsession withbringing down the Hulk strained his relationship
with Betty, who remained loyal to Banner. Rossrecruited Major Glenn Talbot to his cause,
hoping Talbot could both help eliminate theHulk and win Betty's affections. But Betty's
love for Banner remained steadfast. Ross tookextreme measures, including forming uneasy

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alliances with known supervillains such as theLeader and Modoc, hoping their combined resources
could finally eliminate the Hulk. He even mademultiple deals with the Abomination, a gamma-powered
enemy of the Hulk, despite knowing the villain'sdestructive tendencies. His increasing willingness
to compromise military protocol for personalrevenge led to his eventual dismissal from

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the service. His obsession reached a peak whenhe crashed Betty and Bruce's wedding. armed
with a gun, and shot and wounded Bruce's friendRick Jones in an attempt to prevent the marriage.
The failed attempt led to him being institutionalizedunder psychiatric care. Seeking a way to redeem
himself, Ross agreed to work with the internationalespionage organization SHIELD on an experiment

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involving the electrical entity and Hulk villainknown as Zax. The procedure infused Ross with
a portion of Zax's energy, temporarily grantinghim superhuman abilities. However, the process
also left him mentally unstable, and after abattle with the Hulk, Ross was eventually returned
to normal. His life took a tragic turn whenBetty was seemingly killed by radiation poisoning.

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Believing that Banner was indirectly responsible,Ross reignited his hatred for the Hulk and
resumed his vendetta. Around this time, theHulk was exiled from Earth by a secret coalition
of superheroes known as the Illuminati. Withthe Hulk gone, Ross found himself directionless,
falling into depression and alcoholism. Hisdownward spiral made him an easy target for

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manipulation when he was approached by the Leader,who promised him the power to finally defeat
the Hulk in exchange for his cooperation. Desperateto fulfill his life's mission, Ross agreed,
faking his own death using an android duplicateof himself known as a Life Model Decoy. Using
radioactive gamma energy siphoned from the Hulkand cutting edge genetic modifications, the

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Leader and Modok transformed Ross into the RedHulk. Unlike the original Hulk, The Red Hulk
retained his intelligence, could absorb radiationto increase his strength, and could control
his transformation back into human form. Asthe Red Hulk, Ross carried out missions for
the leader's think tank called the Intelligencia,including the assassination of the Abomination

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and the destruction of a S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier.However, Ross soon realized that the Intelligencia
saw him as nothing more than a tool for theirown ends. Seeking to assert his independence,
Ross turned against them and set out on hisown path. Ross fought some of the most powerful
beings in the Marvel universe, including Thor,the Submariner, the Silver Surfer, and the

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Hulk who had returned to Earth. He later joinedthe Offenders, a team assembled by an elder
of the universe known as the Collector, to challengethe Hulk's defenders. Despite his strength
and tactical intelligence, the Red Hulk wasultimately exposed as Thaddeus Ross. His downfall
came when he attempted to seize control of theUnited States government, believing himself

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to be the only one capable of leading the nation.His plan was thwarted by the Hulk, who defeated
him in battle and warned him that if he everreverted to his human form, his secret would
be exposed. After being imprisoned in GammaBase, Ross was eventually recruited by Steve
Rogers to assist the Avengers. He played a keyrole in dismantling the Intelligentea's scorched

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earth contingency plan and was later instrumentalin defending earth against the Serpent, the
Norse god of fear. Ross also led a new incarnationof the Thunderbolts team, a group of former
villains turned heroes using them to clean upthe fallout from his previous actions. However,
Ross's time as the Red Hulk came to an end whenan inte version of the Hulk, known as Doc Green,

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finally devised a cure to depower Gamma-irradiatedindiviDuels. After a grueling battle, Doc Green
successfully injected Ross with the cure, revertinghim to human form. Stripped of his powers,
Ross was arrested for deserting his countryand placed in a classified military prison.
Although he was later presumed dead, it wasrevealed that he had faked his death using

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another life model decoy. He secretly aidedEarth's heroes in their battle against Hydra's
takeover of the United States, where he wasexposed but paroled for his efforts. He was
captured by a secret group of shady politicalinfluencers known as the Power Elite. Through
their experiments, Ross regained his Red Hulktransformation, albeit this time keeping his

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mustache and gray hair intact. Escaping captivity?He resumed his shadow war against national
threats, once again operating from the shadows,or as well as the giant flaming red monster
can. Powers-wise, Red Hulk, much like his greenskin's namesake, has vast strength able to
lift in excess of 100 tons. He's nearly imperviousto harm with greatly increased durability and

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the ability to regenerate over time from anywounds he does suffer. He can leap miles in
a single bound, and can accelerate up to runningspeeds of over 100 However, unlike his namesake,
Red Hulk does not get stronger with rage. Instead,he radiates heat energy, and he gets hotter
the more angry he gets, to the point of emanatingfire from his body and melting anything in

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his close vicinity. At maximum rage, he explodeswith combustible heat energy like a bomb, though
this effect greatly tires and weakens him. Also,unlike the Hulk, Red Hulk retains his keen
strategic mind, with decades of military experienceand tactical reasoning under his belt. And
that's the Red Hulk. I guess one thing thesecharacters also have in common is that they

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have an entire history of being an antagonistfor heroes just as a general in the military
before they became monsters. Yeah, that's true.Although Thunderbolt Ross's MCU counterpart
is going to be vastly different, I still reallylike the take they went with in making Thunderbolt
Ross the president and then, you know, havinghim turn into the Red Hulk. I'm really looking

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forward to his appearance in Captain AmericaBrave New World. Yeah, same. I'm really wondering
if they're going to go with the whole like themadder Red Hulk gets the hotter he gets. I
think that'll be interesting to see on screen.Maybe. I think the only hope Captain America
has in defeating the Red Hulk is to evade andget him so angry that he eventually, you know,
explodes, weakening him and reverting back tohis human form. We'll see if that happens.

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I would not be surprised.
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But now that we've got their histories and abilitiesout of the way, let's speculate on how one
of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winneris determined by simulations, not this speculation,
but it's fun to imagine how this fight couldplay out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation?
Well, I should say there are no rules, otherthan the characters have no prior knowledge
of the other going into the fight. All theyare aware of starting out is that the other

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character is a threat that needs to be eliminated.For the speculation... The contestants will
begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescriptenvironment that will have no bearing on the
match itself, as no environmental statisticsare considered in my simulations. The contestants
must earn victory on their own merit. Alrightthen let's get into it. The General and Red

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Hulk meet on the battlefield. Who goes first?Does Red Hulk often carry weapons like military
guns? He has used weapons but not usually, no.Okay, well the General does, so he's gonna
start off. by unloading a massive machine gunat Red Hulk, just gunning him down in a hail
of bullets. Bullets aren't gonna hurt the RedHulk. He just blocks him with his forearm.

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And as these annoying pellets just bounce offof him, you know, Red Hulk's eyes are gonna
turn fiery and his temperature is slowly gonnastart to rise. No, no, no. These are explosive
rounds, all right? So they're not bouncing offof him. They're straight up blasting him backwards.
Bam, bam, bam. Okay, if they are blasting himbackwards, barely, alright? But the only thing

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more powerful bullets are gonna do is make RedHulk more pissed off. And once he decides he's
had enough of this, he's just gonna leap overto the general in like an instant. Like a freight
train. Just punch him away from his machinegun. And then the Red Hulk is gonna pick up
that gun and just melt it in his grasp. Okay,well, while Red Hulk is busy melting that gun...

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The general is gonna pick up this massive chunkof ground beneath him and hurl it at the Red
Hulk, knocking him to the ground. And the generalis gonna leap on him in an instant, just pummeling
him into the ground with these earth-shakingpunches and just creating a crater in the process.
Okay, well, let's say it's not a crater. Let'ssay that the general punches Red Hulk like

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deep into the earth in this hole. Okay? RedHulk's gonna explode from under the earth,
out of that hole. like lava erupting out ofa volcano. And he's just gonna slam down on
the general with both fists, smashing him likea bug. No, the general, he's gonna take the
blow, but he's not splattered or anything likethat. He's too durable. So he's then gonna

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grab Red Hulk's wrist and just bite right intohis hand, crushing it with his powerful jaws
and giant tusks. I think the general's gonnafind that the Red Hulk is pretty spicy if he's
biting into him. It almost looks like magmais inside the wound. So General may use his
massive teeth to crush the Red Hulk's hand,but one, Red Hulk's gonna heal from that in

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like under a minute. And two, the General'stusks would now be melted. So he's not gonna
have any more giant teeth. And the Red Hulkwith his good hand is gonna grab the General's
head, like holding his jaw shut, and his handis gonna straight up burn the General's face
right off. Damn. Okay. Well, I mean, the generalfeels pain, so this will hurt him for sure.

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But while Red Hulk is grabbing the general'sface, that's when the general is just going
to whip out this massive knife that he was concealingin his pants. Well, I just slash it right across
the Red Hulk's abdomen, which, you know, willtake Red Hulk back and cause him to let go
of the general's face, which instantly regenerateslike tusks and all. What is this knife made

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out of that would slash the Red Hulk? Is itan adamantium knife? I don't fucking know,
Prometheum. The general has like all kinds ofhigh tech weaponry. Okay, whatever, if I grant
you this, the Red Hulk is just gonna shrug offthe slash wound as it heals on his body, and
he's gonna break the general's arm and snatchthat knife right from him. And Red Hulk, as

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he's holding the knife, he's gonna use his heatgeneration to superheat the blade so that it's
glowing red hot. So basically it's like theRed Hulk is holding a lightsaber now. like
a short lightsaber. And he's gonna use thatred hot blade to just stab the general right
through the heart. And then he's gonna movethe blade upward to just bisect the top half
of the general's body, including his head justright in half. Cool, and right after that,

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these purple tendrils shoot between the general'stwo halves and pull his body back together,
like healing him instantly, along with his brokenarm. Now you've made the general angry. You're
not gonna like him when he's angry because nowhe's gonna... just backhand that blade right
out of Red Hulk's hand and then grapple himinto this headlock and just bite his whole

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damn head right off his body. Match over. Howis he gonna bite? What about the temperature
thing? He's too hot to bite. He's gonna burnhis mouth right off. Dude, the general can
instantly recover from heartburn. All right,if that happens, the simple act of the general,
like, chomping down his teeth on the Red Hulk'shead, about to crush it in his molars, that

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is gonna set the Red Hulk off. and infuriateRed Hulk so much that he's gonna burst into
flames inside the General's mouth and then RedHulk is gonna explode like a high-yield bomb
and it's gonna create this big fireball explosionlike a little mushroom cloud and that explosion
is gonna be so strong that it's gonna blastthe General right off the Red Hulk and it's

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gonna send the General rolling through the atmosphereinto orbit where, you know, he's just gonna
float in space. in the empty void until he'seventually pulled into a black hole. Match
over. That is the most convoluted finishingmove in the history of this podcast, I feel
like. I think in reality, the general wouldsimply bite the Red Hulk's head off before

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he had a chance to explode. So actually, RedHulk's body is cold and lifeless on the floor.
No, I think the black hole route is the betterway to go. For sure. For sure. It's a weird
way to go. I mean, you can't really hurt thegeneral. So what else am I going to do? That's
fair. Let's leave it there. Either the generalgets knocked into a black hole or the red Hulk

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gets his head bitten off. Let's run the stats.89k hit it. Inputting data, running calculations,
processing results, simulations complete. Thiswas a solid matchup. When the executive producers
first pitched this as an idea, I think it wasDevin Davis. Although I don't want to not give
Miggy credit if he pitched this. It was oneof the executive producers who said the general

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should go against the Red Hulk. And I was superexcited at the time when I heard it and the
match did not disappoint because the stats onthese guys were not only off the charts, but
also pretty close. Yeah, I remember when I firstheard about this match, I was like, sold, sold.
Hey, stop. I could only be so sold. Obviously,we said that the general was more durable than

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the Red Hulk. because he's just a whole lotmore regenerative. That's his whole thing.
The Red Hulk also has a healing factor, butit's a lot slower than the Generals, which
is almost instantaneous. Yeah, we also gavethe General a slight leg up when it came to
range, because he often carries firearms withhim in battle. But because of the Red Hulk's

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energy that he emanates from his body, we saidthat he was higher in the damage level category.
We also said Red Hulk is smarter than the General.Right, we determined that General Wade Eiling
is as intelligent as Thunderbolt Ross, but afterWade Eiling transferred his body into the Shaggy
Man, he became less intelligent. I guess theGeneral also has the ability to detect adrenaline,

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so he got a leg up in the perception category.But everything else, from speed to strength
to evasiveness to fighting skill, these guyswere identical. Right, so taking all of that
into account, Joseph, who do you think cameout on top? I'm gonna give it to my boy the
Red Hulk. I think these guys are pretty evenlymatched, but I'm not gonna say that the general's
gonna win. I'm not some kind of punk ass. What?Well, I guess Instagram agrees with you. They

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also don't wanna apparently be punk asses because85% voted in favor of Red Hulk in the poll
that we posted. It's about time Marvel winsone of these polls. I'm really glad that it
was like a landslide. I'm just gonna chalk itup to the fact that Red Hulk is. appearing
in a movie that's being released this week.And yeah, no one knows who the general is though

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either. Yeah, people may know Wade Eiling, butodds are they probably don't know the monster
version of him. But do the simulation resultsmatch the poll? Let's find out. AG9K, the results
please. Hey, Yuasa. The winner of the matchupbetween the general and Red Hulk is... Red

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Hulk. I knew it! I knew it! I called it! I calledit, Ben. but not by much. He won 543 of the
1000 matches, or 54.3% of the time comparedto the general who won 45.7% of the simulated
matches. It makes sense, like you would alwaysjust knock him into space and then get him
sucked into a black hole, right? So dumb, sodumb. Ha ha ha. I guess a better way would

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be that he just gets so hot that the generalincinerates into atoms basically and can't
reform from that or something. That seems likea more plausible explanation to me than whatever
you came up with. Let's go with that, okay.It looks like the Red Hulk came out on top

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primarily because of the intelligence stat.That was the biggest discrepancy between the
two characters, which is kind of. heartbreakingbecause DC didn't need to make the general
dumber when he went to Shaggyman's body. Theyjust needed to figure a way for the Justice
League to outsmart him essentially. I thinkit makes sense. I think it totally makes sense.

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The Red Hulk is not only powerful, but alsovery strategic. I think it's dumb that Marvel
would not have him turn into a monstrous brutementally like the Hulk. Like why do that? Why
make Red Hulk better than the Hulk? Well, he'snot better than the Hulk in that if he gets
too angry, he explodes and then gets weaker.If Green Hulk gets too angry, he becomes so

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strong that he can't lose. So ultimately, yeah,Green Hulk is still better than Red Hulk in
my mind. I'm so glad that my voice made it throughthis episode. Oh yeah, I'm not. At all. What?
Cause I hate your voice! But that does it forthis duel, AJ9K help close us out. Thanks for
listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show'swebsite at dynamicDuel.com and follow us on

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Alright guys, as we mentioned before, our nextepisode is going to be a review of Captain
America Brave New World. I already got my tickets,as I mentioned, and I'm really looking forward
to seeing the movie. Jonathan, do you have yourtickets yet? Hell no! You better fix that shit.
You better get on that. Same with you, the listener.You want to see this movie in theaters. Don't
be some lame-o who sees it only on their small-asstelevision. That's not nearly as big as a movie

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theater screen. I was gonna say, hey, hey. Mytelevision's not small, but then compared to
a movie screen. Anyway. But that does it forthis episode, we want to give a big thanks
to our executive producers Ken Johnson, JohnStorosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe,
Mickey Matten-Geehan, Brandon Estergard, NathanielWagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilowski, AJ
Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, AdamSpies, Dean Maleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting,

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Josh Leiner, Mike Williams, and Oscar Galvezfor helping make this podcast possible. And
we'll talk to you guys next week. Up, up andaway, true believers. The angrier I get, the
hotter I get, but not in the temperature sense.I mean it in the damn that AI is sexy kind
of sense.