Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) vs Gorr the God Butcher

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• 0:00:00 - Introduction 
• 0:04:12 - No-Prize Time 
• 0:11:53 - Jon Bernthal’s Punisher Joins Spider-Man: Brand New Day Cast 
• 0:15:52 - Question of the Week 
• 0:16:43 - Tom Rhys Harries Cast In Lead Role In Clayface Film 
• 0:18:45 - Sandman Season 2 Official Trailer 
• 0:21:45 - Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) vs Gorr the God Butcher intro 
• 0:25:31 - Gorr the God Butcher history and powers 
• 0:33:39 - Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) history and powers 
• 0:43:04 - Fight speculation 
• 0:50:59 - Duel results 
• 0:54:30 - Sign off 
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Episode Transcript

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome tothe Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate thesuperiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters in stat-based battlesimulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin
brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, as atie-in to the upcoming Superman film that's
coming out in less than a month, we are pitting theGreen Lantern Guy Gardner against Gorr the God

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Butcher. Now, you may remember Gorr from theterrible movie, Thor, Love and Thunder, and
you'll be seeing Guy in the Superman movie, whichis why this is a tie-in. The equally terrible
Superman movie you forgot to say. Oh, it's going tobe amazing, dude. It's going to suck. I'm just
putting that out there. It's not even going to becomparable to Thor, Love and Thunder. It's going

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to be infinitely better because that was like theworst thing Marvel's ever put out. One of the worst
things for sure. Christian Bale definitelydeserved better. But yeah, this will be an
interesting one. I kind of feel bad for Guy Gardnerbecause I think he's going to get the shit kicked
out of him by Gorr. I just don't see any other waythis fight's going to go down. I just realized this
is kind of a similar battle to what we did with ourWhite Lantern versus Null episode. Yeah, except

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the characters of Null and White Lantern are muchmore powerful than Guy Gardner and Gorr. Okay,
cool. It's a lesser episode of that then. Sweet.Pretty much. Well, I'm still looking forward to
it. I know there's a lot of Guy Gardner fans outthere. I don't really think there's any Gorr fans,
but we're going to find out who's going to winbetween the two characters later on in this
episode. I'm a Gorr fan. You would be gross. Beforewe get into the battle, we're going to break down

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the comic book movie news from the past week ofwhich we got quite a few news items. We learned that
John Berndtall's Punisher is going to join thefourth Spider-Man movie, Brand New Day. Clayface
was cast in this film, and we got the officialtrailer for Sandman Season 2. As always, we list
our segment times in our episode description, sofeel free to check out the show notes if you want to
skip ahead to a particular topic. Ourartificially intelligent dual simulator, AJ9K,

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patreon.com. Thanks, AJ9K, and thanks toeveryone who supports the podcast. Guys, be sure
to tune in to the other shows and the Dynamitepodcast network this week, including the console
combat podcast, where hosts John and Deansimulate battles between popular video game
characters. In yesterday's episode, they rebuedKingsglaive Final Fantasy XV. Over on the Max

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Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and Gilly pityour favorite action heroes from film and
television against each other. This week, thebrothers are pitting the White Ranger and his
Tiger's Orde against Servo from the SuperhumanSamurai Cyber Squad. And on the Send Joe World
podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates onfights between fan favorite anime and manga

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characters. In his next episode, Zach is going toreview K-pop demon hunters on Netflix. Visit
dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our shownotes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamite
podcast network. But with that out of the way,click to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award that

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Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, theDynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on
Instagram for the person that we feel gave the bestanswer to our question of the week. Last week, we
asked you guys, what has been your favoriteSuperman moment from past films or television
series and why? We got five answers this week.We're going to break down our three honorable
mentions before revealing the week's No Prizewinner. Our first honorable mention goes to

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Travis Herndon, who said, What's up, dynamicdudes? Travis here. Shout out to my evil twin. So my
choice would be from the movie Superman vs. theElite, the instant lobotomy. That scene was just
straight up badass because one, we never seen HeatVision use that small to go through somebody's eye

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and like fuck up their powers and stuff toeternally without them knowing. So to me, instant
lobotomy is the best Superman moment for me. Handsdown. Yeah, so Superman vs. the Elite was a
direct-to-video animated film based off ofAction Comics 775, which was titled What's So
Funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way.In which Superman goes up against a group of

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anti-heroes known as the Elite, who kind of try andmake Superman seem like he's obsolete. And when he
turns their bad guy rules against them, he kind ofshows them that, hey, you're lucky I don't play in a
moral gray area like you guys do. One of the thingshe did, of course, was take away the powers of the
leader, Manchester Black. And he did it in the mostlike badass way. Yeah, it was kind of an ethically

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shaky action on behalf of Superman, right? Iagree. Because what he did is he combined his X-ray
vision with his microscopic vision, slashtelescopic vision, I think, and his Heat Vision.
You think that he could do this all the time againstother villains. I'm not sure why he doesn't, I
guess because it's a morally shaky action. Butit's definitely an interesting feat for the
character. I remember reading one JLA comic bookissue where Marshall Manhunter linked the minds

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of Superman and the Flash, and the Flash wastelepathically able to see through Superman's
X-ray vision. And then he phased into a guy's headto do a similar effect where he messed with his
brain to remove his superpowers. And then, ofcourse, we also have the identity crisis arc,
which was all about the Justice League performingbrain surgery on villains to make him less evil.

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It's such a bizarre use of superpowers that hasbeen kind of a recurring motif among DC
superheroes. Yeah, it's kind of like clockworkorange in a way where it's like, can you force
people to be moral? And it is not ethically sound, Iwould say. But of course, in the Justice League
versus the Elite storyline, the effects weretemporary. Like Superman made Manchester Black

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think that he killed all of his allies when hereally didn't. So he was just kind of giving them a
taste of what it would be like if he was evil. It's agreat storyline, great movie. Definitely
recommend it to anyone who has not yet seen it,though I just spoiled it all for you. Sorry, guys.
See it in action. Don't just take Jonathan's wordfor it. Right, exactly. Great answer, Travis. Our

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next honorable mention goes to Cyrus Moore. Whosaid? Hey guys, Cyrus Moore here. I think the best
Superman moments happen to be in the movie TheDeath of Superman. I think it's got some of the best
fight scenes with Doomsday. And I just, I thinkit's the best Superman movie personally. It's
probably one of the saddest, but it was also greatto see Superman save Lois Lane in the Doomsday

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fight. So yeah, we reviewed The Death of Supermanon this podcast when it came out. It was a fantastic
animated film. It was like part one of a two partfilm that also included Reign of the Superman that
was also really good. Now this was not the firsttime we had seen Superman fight Doomsday in
animation. Of course, there was the SupermanDoomsday film that came out like over a decade

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prior to this film coming out. When this movie cameout, we had also just recently seen Batman vs
Superman where Superman dies at the hands ofDoomsday as well. Out of all the different
adaptations of The Death of Superman comic bookstory arc, I think The Death of Superman animated
movie was the best. It was a real tear-jerker, butwith great action. Yeah, I would actually agree

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with that. So great answer Cyrus. Our finalhonorable mention goes to by DearBangora who
said, Hello dynamic duo. My favorite scene has tobe from the end of Superman and Lois. The fact that
they have this recap very similar to Six Feet Underand they go through all the life of Superman and his
family and his kids. Just really embodied all ofwhat Superman is meant to be. Great Tyler Houghlin

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scene, great scene in general, great way to end theDC TV universe. Okay, so I will fully admit I was not
a big fan of the Superman and Lois televisionseries. Not for any reason that I didn't like the
story or anything like that. I just was always toobusy to watch it and by that point I was kind of done
with the CW. That said, by Dear's description ofthe final scene of the show kind of really makes me

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want to watch it. Yeah, I kept hearing that it wasreally good among fans and on Reddit and stuff like
that. So I heard the show as a whole was justamazing. And I think if you had watched it, maybe
this would actually get the no prize win. Whoknows? Yeah, that's actually very possible. My
apologies to everyone who enjoyed the show whoknows that this should probably get the win. But
alas, it does not. We want to give a quick shout outto Alex Albro for calling in with his answer. But

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the winner of this week's no prize is LorenzoValdez. Who said? This is Lorenzo Valdez calling
in once again. My favorite Superman moment from afilm is the first flight scene for Man of Steel. My
favorite Superman moment from a televisionseries. Well, there are so many clonda moments
that I want to choose from Smallville. But the oneI'm going to go with because it feels most like what

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you're soliciting, which is specifically aSuperman moment, because it's set at the top of the
daily planet. It's the clonda kiss from the end ofthe season eight episode of Smallville power.
Clona forever and always. Bye bye. So I finallyrealized what Lorenzo is saying when he mentions
clona. And I guess that's like shipping Clark andLana Lang, which no, I am anti-clona. He belongs

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with Lois Lane. So I'm not really counting theSmallville kiss scene. What I really love about
his answer is the Superman first flight scene fromMan of Steel, because that was intense. I still
remember watching that in theaters and just beingso moved by Hans Zimmer's sweeping score. It is
hands down. I think my favorite Superman momentfrom the entirety of the Snyderverse. But who's

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your favorite version of Lana Lang, though,Jonathan? Oh, like favorite actress. Um, I would
say the one that I think is most close to the comicswas actually the Annette O'Toole version of the
character from Superman 3. She would lateractually be cast as Martha Kent in the Smallville
television series. So it's not the Kristen Crookversion from Smallville? No, she was fine. I just

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think Annette O'Toole was more comics accurate.I'm pretty sure Lorenzo Valdez is going to want to
fight you now. Come at me, bro. I thought I want tomake Clois a word, but Clois forever and always. I
think I've always been more of a, uh, clunder womantype guy. But congrats to Lorenzo Valdez for
winning this week's snow prize. If you thelistener want a shot at winning your own no prize,

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stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll beasking another question of the week. And now that
that's done, on to the news. Alright, in a fairlysurprising bit of news from this past week, we
learned that John Bernthal, who plays thecharacter of Frank Castle the Punisher, will be
joining the cast of Spider-Man Brand New Day in amove that makes me go, what is going on? I had no idea

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what this film was going to be, but I think theaddition of John Bernthal to the cast gives us a
clearer picture. So previously you and Iconjectured that the film could be adapting the
Spider-Verse storyline because we thought maybeSadie Sink was going to play in Alternate Universe
Gwen Stacy. There are a ton of rumors going aroundthe internet right now, including rumors that the

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story is going to involve symbiotes and the Hulk.None of those rumors were substantiated, but we
did get confirmation from the Hollywood Reporterthat, yeah, the Punisher is going to be joining the
story, which really makes me rethink all myprevious notions in that they appear to be taking a
more grounded approach to this upcomingSpider-Man film. Yeah, you would think that

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someone from the Netflix shows, which were allpretty street level and grounded, would make this
Spider-Man film somewhat like that, right?Right. And it makes me think that Sadie Sink is more
likely going to be playing Felicia Hardy, theblack cat, because she's a more grounded street
level character, I think. And that the villain ismaybe going to be the kingpin, and maybe we'll see

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Daredevil in addition to the Punisher. Or maybethe rumors are true and the bad guy is going to be Mr.
Negative, who is another New York City crime bosswho has the power of the life force and the dark
force, which are abilities shared by the heroicduo of Cloak and Dagger. So maybe those guys are
joining the story as well. And this really isshaping up to be a more direct adaptation of the

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brand new day story arc. Yeah, there's currentlyrumors going around that Nicole Kidman is going to
play negative woman, essentially. Oh, I don'tknow about that. I wouldn't like that. I was kind of
setting my hopes on Steven Yun as Mr. Negativehimself, Martin Lee, who's a pretty cool
character. He's kind of like Too Faced in the sensethat he's a crime boss who jumps between his light

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side and his dark side, although in this case it'svery much literally his light side and his dark
side. When he's in his dark force form, he appearsas a photo negative kind of. And when he corrupts
other people or imbues objects with his darkforce, it appears as like a photo negative. It can
make for some pretty compelling visual effects, Ithink, but I think the Punisher would make sense as

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an ally going up against the Mr. Negative crimeboss. I'm seeing a visual motif with all of these
characters. You have Punisher, Black Cat, maybeCloak and Dagger, maybe Mr. Negative. It's all
black and white. And maybe even Black SuitSpider-Man? I could see the movie posters now.
They'd have to introduce the symbiotes though ifwe're going with Black Suit Spider-Man, but who

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knows? Maybe Venom is in the movie too. At thispoint, I feel like anything's possible, but I
gotta assume that the film is taking a much morebare bones down to Earth approach to its story.
Maybe, maybe, maybe not, especially if there'ssymbiotes involved. That being said, you know,
Berndthal's portrayal of Frank Castle thePunisher is pretty damn rated R, both in his show

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and in the Daredevil series. I'm wondering howthey're going to get away with that in a PG-13
Spider-Man movie. Like, what the hell is PeterParker going to do when he straight up sees the
Punisher rip a dude's throat out? Eh, it'sprobably going to happen off camera. And then you
see Spider-Man puke in his mask or something likethat. Boom, there you go. Comedy gold. I just
remembered that the Punisher first appeared in aSpider-Man comic. That's correct. He was a

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conflicted Spider-Man bad guy who was trying tokill him due to his misperception of Spider-Man
that he was a murderer at the time. It's reallyinteresting news that it'll be interesting to see
who else gets added to this Spider-Man forecast,especially if they're coming from the Marvel
Netflix universe, which is, you know, now part ofthe MCU. But there were a lot of characters there,
and that brings us to our question of the week.Besides the Punisher and obviously Daredevil,

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which of the former Marvel Netflix characterswould you want to see in the next Spider-Man film
and why? Now, we're excluding Daredevil herebecause I think everyone will pick him, but if
Marvel were to include either Jessica Jones orIron Fist, Luke Cage, Electra, etc., we want to
know who you guys would most want to be in this film.Recording answer at DynamicsDuel.com by

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clicking on the red microphone button in thebottom right hand corner of the screen, which will
prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your messagecould be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to
leave your name in case you include you on thepodcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award
that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll postto Instagram. Be sure to answer before June 28th.
Moving on to DC News, we learned last week that DCStudios has cast its lead actor in the upcoming

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Clayface live action film, and it looks like theactor Tom Reese-Harris will be playing the
titular Batman villain. Now, I have no idea whothis guy is. I looked at his IMDb. I have not seen a
single one of his films. To me, he looks like thewhite Rami Malek, but I'm okay with that because
they both kind of have these haunting looks withthe high cheekbones and sunken eyes. I'm sure the

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guy is a fantastic actor, considering he'sBritish and they tend to play more technical
performances, which I think is perfect forsomething like a Clayface film where he's an actor
and needs to be able to play different personas, Iguess you could say. I don't know much about the
actor either. I like the way that John Staroski puta best on our Discord server regarding the actor's

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appearance in that he looks like if David Bowiefucked a scars guard, and I thought that was pretty
apt. Now, the film is going to be directed by JamesWatkins, who also directed the horror film Speak
No Evil, and the original screenplay draft waswritten by Mike Flanagan, although apparently
the Oscar-nominated writer Hussien Amini hasdone rewrites. It's produced by Matt Reeves, who

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also produced the Batman Caped Crusader animatedseries, which did a fantastic rendition of
Clayface, and I'm really hoping that this filmtakes some of the horror cues from that television
series. Yeah, I think we mentioned before on thispodcast that 2024 had like four or five different
renditions of Clayface on different televisionshows and stuff, including Suicide Squad,

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Isakai, Batman Caped Crusader, CreatureCommandos, and Harley Quinn. Yes, I just want an
amalgam of all those versions rolled into one.Yeah, maybe not the Harley Quinn version, but
yeah, I love the rest of them. I don't believethere's a release date for this yet, but it will
start filming fairly soon in the UK. In other DCnews, we got to our official trailer for Sandman

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Season 2, which is being released in two parts thisyear. If you listen to our review of Sandman Season
1, you'll know that I'm a huge Sandman fan, and Iloved that first season. Ever since then, I've
been stoked for the continuation of that series onNetflix. Season 2 will be the final season, but it

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does look like it's going to wrap up Sandman'sstory nicely. We're going to be moving through a
lot of story here, everything from James Return toHell, to him finding his son Orpheus, to his
involvement with the Fairy Folk, to ultimatelythe vengeance of Lita Hall and the Furies. It's
going to be an epic season, no doubt. Again, one ofthe coolest aspects, I think, of this season in

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particular, is that we get to see all seven membersof the Endless, including Destruction, who we
missed out on in the teaser trailer for thisseason. Of course, we get Gwendolyn Christie
returning to her role as Lucifer. We get to see thedemon Azazel, who's like this shadowy, morphing
creature full of eyes and teeth. We get to see Nada,who is James' true love in the series. And we get to

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see Jack Gleason, the actor who played PrinceJoffrey, play Puck in the Sandman show, which I
think is perfect casting. That is, yeah. I wassurprised to see King Joffrey. I was like, what the
hell is he doing here? He just has such a weird,sinister face, but as the character of Puck from
Midsummer Night's Dream, yeah, that'sperfection. Now, the story of Sandman has always
spanned centuries, and it looks like we're goingto see that as well, which is one of the more epic

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aspects that I love about this story is that it'snot just confined to one setting, one timeframe,
one set of characters. It can really go anywhere,and it does. For any of those unfamiliar with the
Sandman story, I definitely recommend watchingseason one prior to the release of season two on
Netflix. The first part is coming out July 3rd,just a couple of weeks here, and volume two is

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coming out July 24th at the end of the month. I can'tfucking wait! And I just kind of want to sleep until
the show starts. I liked the trailer that much.Actually, regarding the newcomer perspective,
that's one of the things I thought about whilewatching this trailer was, if someone hasn't
watched season one or is completely unfamiliarwith the Sandman story or universe, I got to wonder

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what they think about this trailer, because itreally goes all over the place. You said, you know,
the story spans centuries, but it's not astraightforward fantasy series in the way that
most people think of fantasy series. And I got tothink that as a newcomer, if this trailer was the
first thing I saw, I would be so compelled to watchit, because it looks so damn good. So damn good, so

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damn expensive, still, which I love to see. Yeah,the visual effects are on point. The
cinematography looks amazing. Yeah, again, wakeme up when it's July 3rd. But that does it for all of
the news for this episode, so now let's go ahead andmove on to the main event, where we pit the Green

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Lantern Guy Gardner against the Thor villain,Gore the God Butcher. Okay, the Green Lantern Guy

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Gardner versus Gore the God Butcher. Now, I will betotally honest and say that Guy Gardner is not my
favorite Green Lantern. In fact, he's probablyone of my least favorite Green Lanterns. But as I
mentioned earlier, he does have a lot of fans outthere. I feel like a lot of people just have like a
love-hate relationship with him, because he'skind of a douchebag. But an endearing one in that he

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frequently gets his ass kicked by Batman, likepunched in the face. Those one time. And kind of put
in his place, you know? He's kind of there to be apunching bag for, I think, other heroes in a way. He
doesn't really take any guff from anyone exceptwhen he does. And that's satisfying, I guess. I

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guess also he does have a lot of heart in that whilehe is kind of a dickbag, he is well-meaning and
legitimately heroic. Yes, as you will hear lateron in my backstory for Guy Gardner, he's
definitely very stubborn, doesn't know when togive up, and because of that, yes, it does make him
very heroic. And he rises to the occasion. I thinkGore the God Butcher would also see himself as

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heroic in his campaign against basically alldeities. We mentioned briefly Gore's inclusion
in the Thor 11 Thunder film. There's so much thatthat movie got wrong from his appearance to his
powers. What about his origin? His origin isincorrect. It's a shame that Marvel itself
screwed it up because who knows when we'll get tosee any more correct adaptation of Gore on the

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screen. One of the many reasons that I'm stillpissed off to this day because of that film, and
hopefully I could do the character more justice inthis dual speculation. But to explain the
methodology behind our duels, let's go to oursentient dual simulator Alfred Jarvis-9000.
AJ9K tell our listeners how you go aboutdetermining a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of
course, sir. The way I determine a winner betweenthe contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo

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simulations using the characters statistics. AMonte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model
used to determine outcomes through randomsampling. In this case, I randomize the
statistics along a normal distribution as a way tosimulate the many variables that can occur during
battle. The stat parameters are based on theofficial Marvel power grid from which the DC

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characters statistics are extrapolated.Additional stat categories are included such as
range, damage potential, versatility andperception in order to create a more detailed and
accurate simulation. The results of the 1000simulations provide a percentage of wins for each
character. The contestant with the higherpercentage is declared the victor as they have a

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higher probability to win any given battle. In anequitable pairing, neither character should win
100% of the matches. The comic book stories haveshown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman, so the confidence rate of my methodfalls in line with the precedents that have been
established in the source material. Mymathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the soleconsideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for

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determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.Before we run the simulations, though, we'd like
to break down each character's histories andabilities before improvising a scenario on how we
imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play outbeat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first
with the Marvel characters backstory, so let metell you all about Gore the God Butcher. Gore was

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born with a crippled leg on an unnamed desert worldwhose twin sons scorched the ground and whose
knights were stalked by leathery predators. Histribe taught that droughts, quakes, and famine
were divine tests and that prayer and sacrificewould bring relief, yet no deliverance came. His
father died of sun fever, his mother was taken bybeasts, and every one of his children was claimed

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by starvation or tremors. A violent quake crushedhis pregnant mate, Ara, leaving only their son,
Agar. When famine finally seized the boy during adesperate march toward a rumored fertile land,
Gore buried the child, a forbidden act accordingto his tribe, and renounced the gods. For
blasphemy, his people stoned him and left him todie in the wasteland. Alone and dehydrated, Gore

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saw two armored figures streak across the sky andcrash nearby. One shone gold, the other was a
living shadow wielding a black shifting sword.The shadow was Null, an ancient evil you could
learn more about in his duel against WhiteLantern. Null's weapon, all black, the Necro
Sword, was the first symbiote that the deity hadcreated, a thinking mass of liquid darkness that

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bonds with hosts and feeds on rage. The gold godbegged Gore for help, but in realizing gods were
real and had ignored his family, Gore's sorrowbecame fury. The Necro Sword slipped from Null,
wrapped around Gore's arm, and hardened into aspear. With it, Gore slew the gold god, felt the
symbiote's darkness join with him, and swore tobutcher every deity in existence. While Null

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could have pursued his weapon, he instead allowedGore to wield the all black, recognizing the
mortal's vengeful heart as a mirror of his ownhatred for the light. All black granted Gore
flight, super strength, and rapid healing. Hecould mold the symbiote into armor or weapons at
will. He also shaped black berserkers, largeshadow creatures that obeyed him. For thousands

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of years, Gore traveled from world to world,murdering gods of war, harvest, song, and even
flowers. Convinced the universe would be kinderwithout beings who demanded worship while
allowing suffering. During the Viking Age, Gorereached Earth. Thor Odinson, then a brash young
god of thunder, found a dead North American deityon an Icelandic beach and tracked the killer to

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Russia, where the sl- Gorr ambushed Thor, chainedhim inside a cave, and tortured him for 17 days,
demanding that Thor reveal the path to Asgard. Aband of vikings stormed the cave, distracting
Gorr long enough for Thor to sever his arm with hisown axe, yarn-borne, and strike Gorr with
lightning. Gorr survived and fled, determinednever to be weak again. You can learn more about

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Thor in his duel against Wonder Woman. Seekinggreater power, Gorr attacked Kronix, a palace
guarded by the Time Gods. After killing itsdefenders, he entered their pool of raw time to
travel through history. At the dawn of creation,he slew one of the first Elder Gods and ripped out
its glowing heart. Far in a future timeline, hecaptured gods from every pantheon he could reach.

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Only an elderly King Thor, last ruler of Asgard,remained free, caged yet unbroken. Gorr forced
his prisoners to mine star cores in order to buildthe God Bomb, a device that would wipe out every god
in every era through time. Back in the present,Thor noticed prayers going unanswered and
followed the trail to Gorr's fortress, where hewas caught and chained beside his older self.

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Black berserkers then seized the Viking Age Thorso the butcher could parade three versions of the
same deity before his ultimate victory. The Thorsescaped and hurled a fragment of a star at the God
Bomb, but Gorr survived. To supercharge allblack, he ordered his berserkers to slaughter his
enslaved gods, feeding their energy to the swordand making himself unstoppable. Gorr used all

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black to create copies of his former wife and kid,Ara and Agar, for company. When the Ara construct
called him, my god, he vaporized her in rage. TheAgar construct horrified, freed Thor the
Avenger, and begged him to stop his father. Gorrhurled the young Thor into space, activated the
God Bomb, and waited for Divinity to die. As theBomb detonated, the surviving gods of every

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timeline prayed in unison. Their faith floodedThor the Avenger, and wielding both his own hammer
Mjolnir and King Thor's future Mjolnir, hebattled the butcher across a dying moon. The
youngest Thor struck the final blow, beheadingGorr and ending a 3000 year crusade. Though dead,
the all black sword, carrying a copy of Gorr'smind, endured. Years later, the spy Nick Fury

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whispered a secret in Thor's ear learned fromtheir murdered watcher Uatu, telling Thor, Gorr
was right. You can learn more about the watcher inhis duel against the Monitor. Doubt washed over
Thor so much so that he became unworthy to liftMjolnir. During a war between the Norse realms,
the Dark Elf Malachith bonded with the blade andcalled himself the Butcher of Thors until Thor

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defeated him. You can learn more about Malachithin his duel against Eclipso. Far in the future,
millions of years later, King Loki merged with allblack and rebuilt Gorr's body from living shadow,
setting him against an immortal all father Thor.You can learn more about Loki in his duel against
Ares. Gorr crucified Loki and Thor on spires ofdarkness and tried to spread the sword's darkness

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across every star. Thor's granddaughters, Atle,Elisive, and Frig, freed their grandfather and
rallied gods saved long ago by Thor. Atle severedGorr's head, but it was only a shell. All black's
darkness had woven itself into the very fabric ofspace. Loki stalled Gorr by reciting every heroic
deed Thor had ever performed. The endless talebought time for Thor to release the god Tempest, a

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cosmic storm trapped inside Mjolnir. The Tempestshredded all black. Stripped of power, amnesiac
and raving, Gorr was left mortal. The Sky Lords ofIndigar, the same planet whose rescued gods had
once prayed for Thor, took Goren to live as a simplefarmer. Yet the Necro Swords residue had replaced
Gorr's heart. Memories crept back in and with themhis hatred, restoring him in the present day.

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Fixating on Jean Grey, newly reborn as thePhoenix, Gorr ambushed and killed her on the
barren planet Dogar. The Phoenix resurrected herinstantly, overwhelmed Gorr and ignited and
collapsed his dark heart, transforming it into anewborn star so that at last, Gorr would give life
instead of taking it. You can learn more about thePhoenix in her duel against Raven. And that's Gorr

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the God Butcher's history. Powers-wise, Gorr is amortal alien whose heart was replaced with the
darkness of all black, the Necro Sword, aprimordial weapon composed of living abyss,
forged by the primordial entity Null usingcelestial energy. Though the Necro Sword was
returned to Null's hands, Gorr can still use theportion of living abyss that is now part of him. He

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can shape this darkness to his will to formconstructs such as weapons like spears or a sword,
which is its preferred form. Gorr often uses it toform a cloak that can create armor or wings or even
semi-sentient wolf lizard insectoidhybrid-like creatures called black berserkers.
The living abyss grant Gorr strength enough tolift over 100 tons in vulnerability, increased

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speed, regenerative healing, and immortality.Having lived for millennia, waging combat
against deities, he has become an adeptcombatant. And that's Gorr. Gotcha. So you know,
like if it takes three different thorns to defeatGorr the God Butcher, Guy Gardner has his fucking
work cut out for him, doesn't he? I mean, notreally. One Green Lantern can easily take on three

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thorns. What? Yeah, you heard me. I could have lessrespect for you than I do right now. Just want to let
you know. I am okay with that. I'll get it back when Iwin the duel, you know? Let me tell you about Green
Lantern Guy Gardner. Now Guy Gardner was born inBaltimore, Maryland to a turbulent household
dominated by his abusive alcoholic father.Frequently compared unfavorably to his older

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brother, Mace, Guy developed a tough andcombative personality to shield himself from
constant ridicule and physical abuse. Despitethe toxic home environment, he showed potential
both intellectually and athletically earning ascholarship to the University of Michigan. There
he studied education and psychology and playedfootball until a career ending knee injury forced

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him to refocus on academics. He eventually becamea social worker and later a teacher working with
troubled youth, driven by a desire to help those inneed escape the kind of upbringing he endured.
Unbeknownst to him, Guy possessed the qualitiesnecessary to become a Green Lantern, willpower,
courage, and a strong sense of justice. When theGreen Lantern of sector 2814, Abin Sewer, crashed

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on earth and lay dying, his ring identified twoworthy successors, Hal Jordan and Guy Gardner.
Jordan, being closer, was chosen. Gardner becamethe backup Green Lantern, though he only learned
of this years later when the Guardians of theUniverse, the creators of the Green Lanterns,
informed him directly in an admission thatwounded his pride and fueled his lifelong rivalry

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with Hal Jordan. You can learn more about how NRIGreen Lantern versus Nova dual episode. After
learning of his alternate selection, Guy trainedto serve as Hal's substitute in the event of his
incapacitation. He eventually received his ownGreen Lantern ring and joined the Corps. Though
his attitude and temperament often clashed withthe more disciplined members, his effectiveness

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in battle earned him a reluctant respect.Initially assigned as Hal's backup, Guy took on
more responsibility following Hal's frequentoff-world duties. His first major outing came
when Hal was captured by Sinestro and taken to theAnti-Matter Universe of Corde. The Guardians
activated Guy's ring and directed him to rescueHal, but he was intercepted and captured by

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Sinestro's forces. Subjected to mental torture,Guy was presumed dead when the Guardians lost
contact with him. Eventually rescued andreturned to earth, Guy suffered severe
psychological trauma and was placed in a comatosestate. He remained that way for several years
until the crisis on Infinite Earth's event whenthe Guardians reactivated him as one of Earth's

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Green Lanterns. Though he awoke, the mentaldamage had altered his personality. He emerged
more arrogant, aggressive, and unpredictable.The change was partially due to brain damage,
which affected his emotional regulation andheightened his volatility, making him a wild card
among the Corps. When the Guardians later decidedto leave the Universe and choose successors, Guy

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was given a ring and declared the official GreenLantern of Earth. However, his bombastic
demeanor and combative style often put him at oddswith his peers, especially Hal Jordan, John
Stewart, and Batman. He joined the newly reformedJustice League International, a more
politically driven version of the League, wherehis brash personality acted as a constant source

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of tension. Despite this, he became a core memberof the team and formed a unique rapport with heroes
like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle. You can learnmore about the Justice League in our team duel,
Justice League vs. Avengers. His time with theLeague included several humiliations, most
famously being knocked out by a single punch fromBatman, but also triumphs, including

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commissions to apocalypse, battles againstdespair and defending Earth from alien
invasions. His overconfidence and crude sense ofhumor masked a deep need for validation and a
fierce loyalty to his team. After Hal'stransformation into parallax, Guy lost his ring
during the destruction of the central powerbattery. Refusing to stand idle, he saw

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alternative means to remain a hero. He embarked ona quest to acquire Sinestro's yellow power ring,
and when he was successful, he used it to continuefighting crime, though the ring proved unstable
and more difficult to control. Seeking greaterpower, Guy ventured into the alien realm of Kord
and later tapped into a mysterious inner energylinked to his DNA. This transformation turned him

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into Warrior, a being capable of morphing his bodyinto weapons and armor. The source of his power was
revealed to be his descent from an alien racecalled the Vuldarians. Biologically engineered
shapeshifting warriors bred for combat.Embracing his new identity, Guy became the
proprietor of a bar for heroes called Warriors.Eventually his Vuldarian powers faded and Guy

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returned to using the green lantern ring when thecore was restored. He served as a senior lantern
alongside Kyle Rainer, John Stewart and HelJordan, operating out of Oa and protecting sector
2814. He also worked closely with the Honor Guard,the elite leadership force of the core, and
participated in campaigns during the RandThanagar war and the Sinestro core war, where he

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fought valiantly against yellow lanterns andother cosmic threats. In the post-flashpoint
timeline, Guy Gardner remained a green lanternand continued to be depicted as one prone to acting
before thinking, but with unwavering courage anda strong moral compass. He served with
distinction in the green lantern core and tookpart in major battles, including defending Oa

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from the invading red lantern core. During thiscampaign, he was briefly possessed by a red
lantern ring drawn to the deep well of rage withinhim. The experience left a lasting impression.
When Atrocidus, the founder of the red lanterns,launched a new assault on earth, Guy volunteered
to infiltrate the red lantern core as a doubleagent. You could learn more about red lanterns in

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our Atrocidus vs Juggernaut dual episode. Thepower of the red ring proved to be too seductive,
and Guy's infiltration turned into a reluctantallegiance. Eventually, he embraced the
identity of a red lantern fully and became theirfield leader, bearing their crimson sigil and
maintaining order among the volatile ranks.Under Guy's leadership, the red lanterns

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transformed from a brutal militia into a morestructured force focused on dispensing
vengeance and protecting the oppressed. Hedeveloped a complex but mutual respect with
Atrocidus' rival, Gules, and established a redlantern base of operations on earth, though he
struggled with controlling his rage-fueledpowers. After several adventures including

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cosmic conflicts and battles against shadowymanipulators like the Shadow Thief and the Shadow
Market, Guy relinquished his red ring andreturned to the green lantern core. He served on
Mojo, the sentient planet that for a time acted asthe core's HQ, helping train new recruits and
operating as a senior lantern within the honorguard. When the green lantern core was merged with

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the Sinestro core during a fragile alliancebrokered by Hal Jordan and Saurinik Natu, a yellow
lantern, Guy was among the few green lanterns whoattempted to make peace with the yellow lanterns.
His unlikely friendship with the reformedArquillo, a hulking brute and enforcer from the
Sinestro core, who's often compared to Kilowag,became a standout moment during this period as the

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two warriors bonded over their mutual love ofbrawling and begrudging respect for one
another's strength. That's Guy Gardner'sbackstory. Powers-wise, Guy Gardner wields a
green lantern power ring fueled by willpower,granting him the ability to generate solid, light
constructs, fly, generate force fields, andsurvive in space. His constructs often reflect

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his brash personality, manifesting as bluntforce weapons like fists, bats, and hammers. For a
time, his Vulderian DNA allowed him to shape shiftparts of his body into weapons and armor, giving
him enhanced strength and durability. Evenwithout powers, Guy is a trained hand-to-hand
fighter. Wait, so does he have his Vulderianpowers or does he not? Technically, he still has

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his Vulderian DNA, though he hasn't used it sincelike the early 2000s. What you said he has the DNA
but that his powers like disappeared over time. Itwas during the green lantern rebirth storyline
where like he went through like this tremendousamount of pain where it seemed like his DNA was
rejecting his body or something like that, butthat was all quelled once a green lantern ring flew

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onto his finger and he emerged once again as a greenlantern. So it didn't leave his body, it's still
there. Again, he just hasn't made use of it. Andwill he have a red ring in this match or just the
green? I'm going with his traditional green ring,although I loved the fact that he was a red lantern
for a time. I thought he made a fantastic redlantern. I thought a red lantern ring couldn't be

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removed from a red lantern without killing them.There have been a few instances where they've been
able to circumvent that, particularly whenthere's a, I think it's a blue lantern is present.
Interesting. Okay. Okay. I don't know why I'masking so many questions because I don't care
because this dude's going down. Oh, we'll see. In aworld where fantasies collide and heroes clash,

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Sendro World, where anime champions clash everyThursday. Join us as we speculate on the matches
and armed with the power of mathematicalsimulations, discover who will emerge
victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com, where wesettle the debate and settle the score. Now that

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we've got their histories and abilities out of theway, let's speculate on how one of the 1000
simulated matches will go. The winner isdetermined by simulations, not the speculation,
but it's fun to imagine how the fight could playout. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation?
Well, I should say there are no rules other than thecharacters have no prior knowledge of the other

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going into the fight. All they are aware ofstarting out is that the other character is a
threat that needs to be eliminated. For thespeculation, the contestants will begin
approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescriptenvironment that will have no bearing on the match
itself, as no environmental statistics areconsidered in my simulations. The contestants
must earn victory on their own merit. Alright,then let's get into it. Green Lantern and Gore the

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God Butcher meet on the battlefield. Who goesfirst? I'm actually gonna say Guy starts off, and
he's gonna do so by undoing his belt buckle,pulling down his pants. Moaning, Gore, while
giving him the middle finger. Gore is unamused.Oh, but Guy is, so. Well, this amusement is gonna

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turn into pure shock when all of a sudden he finds adark tendril up his pooper. But that's exactly
what Guy wanted to happen, because while Gore wasdistracted by Guy's ass, Guy's gonna generate a
pit bull behind Gore that's gonna chomp down on hisankle, while Guy, meanwhile, is gonna block that
black tendril with the green toilet that flushesthat tendril and that's plumbing just redirects

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it right into the ground. Alright, I'm gonna sayfirst of all, Gore was not distracted by Guy's ass.
Sure, I will say that he does take a second tostraight up murder the pit bull construct. Oh,
shit. He's using his necrosaur to cleave it in halffrom its jaws. Then Gore creates his own
creatures, a pair of black berserkers that chasedown Guy like a couple of rabid wolves that just

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devour him alive. Okay, but I'm gonna say thatthese creatures are gonna be blocked by a row of
giant sized football defensive linemen, and frombehind them, Guy's gonna generate a football and
hurl it straight towards Gore with perfect aim,and it's gonna explode upon contact because it was

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actually a bomb. And that's gonna send Gore flyingbackward while Guy does a touchdown dance. A
football bomb? Sure. Sure. Yeah, sure. I'm notsure what kind of football explosion would
actually even hurt Gore, but I know that he'salready fucking had it with Guy's shenanigans. So
Gore instantly recovers from this football bomband blitzes Guy sword first with enough force to

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cut through a freaking sun. And he straight upflies through any sort of defensive constructs
that Guy creates to protect himself, and Goreslices right through Guy himself like a dark
bullet train. Oh no, Guy doesn't generateanything to block this attack. Instead, he's
gonna hold up a green cape that hides his body, andas Gore slices through it, Guy dodges to the side

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like a matador, shouting, Toro! And Gore's gonnafly right past him. But Guy, he's immediately
gonna hurl a lasso after him, catching Gore by theankles before proceeding to quickly hog tie him,
all while wearing a cowboy hat and bandana by theway. Guy is annoying. But do you think that Gore is

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just limited to his arms and legs? Even if Guymanages to restrain Gore's limbs, Gore is just
gonna create a dozen more of them out of livingabyss. And all these extra limbs, they're like
scorpion tails, and they each simultaneouslyreach out and impale Guy from all directions on
their stingers. Actually, two of them form bladesthat free Gore from his bindings, but the rest of

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them impale Guy. They like stab through him withlong stingers? Yeah. Okay, so Guy probably falls
to his knees, but before he can get stabbed again,he's gonna generate a dozen chainsaws that are
gonna sever the scorpion tails. And just as Gorefrees himself from the lasso while Guy is still on

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his knees, a giant green fist with brass knucklesis gonna plow into Gore. Wait, wait, Guy should be
dead from getting impaled a dozen times. Well,actually Guy has like weird organs due to his
Vulderian DNA, like he has two hearts, and he couldalso heal rapidly because of his shapeshifting
nature. So yeah, he's hurt, but he'll be fine.That's so weird. But you know what, it doesn't

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matter because even if Gore gets punched by thisfist construct, the stingers that Gore stabbed
into Guy Gardener, they left this dark residuewithin Guy's body. So it doesn't matter what the
hell Guy's organs look like on the inside, becauseit's all just infested with shadowy maggots that
feast on his body in just like a matter of seconds.And it looks like Guy gets covered in darkness, but

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then he just dissolves into nothing. Well, again,you know, Guy's Vulderian shapeshifting body
will just shift those maggots into a Gatling gunthat he transforms his other arm into that's not
armed with a ring, and he's going to fire thosemaggots right back at Gore, which I don't know,
probably isn't gonna hurt him. Yeah, Gore wouldjust absorb them into the rest of his living

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darkness. But once the maggots are done, he'sgonna transform his Gatling gun into a grenade
launcher, and he's gonna launch a nuclear levelimplosive grenade that's just gonna leave Gore a
dark stain on the ground. What the fuck is animplosive nuclear grenade? I guess the technical
term would be a Vulderian Fragmite bomb? I don'tknow, it has like the destructive force of a nuke,

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but it sucks things up like a mini black hole. It'sfrom the comics. Okay. Well, Gore blocks the bomb
with his cloak, so that when it goes off, when itimplodes, it just pulls in all of the living abyss,
like all of that gets sucked into the implosion.But Gore himself is still left standing. And Guy,

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in all of his cockiness, you know, he didn'tanticipate this. So as the living darkness
dissipates from the bomb, Guy is not payingattention. He's assuming Gore was imploded to,
and then all of a sudden he gets fucking rockedright in his nose by Gore, who is now mortal. And
since getting punched in the nose real hard isapparently Guy's weakness, you know, he falls to

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the ground, just completely knocked out, and heloses the match. Fuck. You know, I can't even say
that wouldn't happen. I guess we'll leave itthere. Either Guy defeats Gore with some
Vulderian Fragmite bombs, or Gore just knocks Guyout with a sucker punch to the face, apparently.

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Well, let's find out which of these scenarioshappens by running the stats on these characters,
running the simulations, and coming back with awinner. AG9K, hit it. Inputting data, running
calculations, processing results, simulationscomplete. All right, this didn't turn out to be
quite the repeat of the White Lantern vs. Null dualepisode that I thought it was going to be. I think we

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managed to do a pretty good job of differentiatingthese two matches. Yeah, it wasn't hard,
honestly, with Guy. He's kind of different fromother Green Lanterns, not only in terms of his
brashness and attitude, but also in terms of hisphysiology. You know, he's part Vulderian, and I
didn't want to play that up into the stats too much.I still think his ring is his primary weapon. But he

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has contingencies, we'll say. And that is whatgave him the edge in versatility over Gore the God
Butcher. You know, as versatile as Gore is with hisNecro sword. And he does some interesting things
with it, like he used it to create the God Bomb andstuff like that. But largely he sticks with swords
and tendrils and dark creatures and stuffcompared to a Green Lantern ring, which Guy tends

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to get a little bit more creative with, again, inaddition to his alien DNA. The two did share a lot of
similarities when it came to the stats, though weboth said they were equally fast, equally
evasive. When it came to strength and damage leveland range, they were also on par with each other. We
did give the fighting skill edge to Gore the GodButcher just because he has millennia of fighting

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experience. And we also said that longevity meanthe was smarter than Guy, who's kind of dumb. Yeah,
he's definitely done some really dumb stuff in thecomics. But we did give Guy the edge in perception
because Green Lantern rings can scan things andgive the bear added information. Yeah, there
weren't too many perception feats for Gore the GodButcher. With all that said, Jonathan, who's

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taken home the win here? I got to give it to Guy. Ithink his versatility is going to give him the edge
here. And it looks like our Instagram poll takersagree with me, just barely though, because 52% of
our poll takers voted in favor of Guy. That's one ofthe closest polls I think we've put out there.
Yeah, really close. So it seems like this is apretty good match up in our followers' eyes. But

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let's find out who actually won. AJ9K, the resultsplease. Hey, you are, sir. All right, the winner
between Green Lantern, Guy Gardner, and Gore theGod Butcher is... Gore the God Butcher. Damn it!
Looks like Guy Gardner got sucka punched right thefuck out. As a matter of fact, Deadpool came out

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when this match was over and told Guy Gardner thathe got knocked the fuck out. At a 1000 matches, Gore
the God Butcher won 571, whereas Green Lanternonly won 429. Really? Okay, I thought that was
going to be a little bit closer. I thought this wasessentially going to be a coin toss. And I am kind of

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said that it again, Guy is not my favorite GreenLantern, but I also just really hate Gore. Why?
What's wrong with Gore? He deserves this. Did yousee how they massacred my boy in Thor 11 Thunder?
Yeah, that's why I don't like him. That wholemovie, just everything about it is awful. Well,
maybe Superman will be bad and you'll hate Guy evenmore too. Yeah, no, that's not going to happen. But

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that does it for this duel. AJ9K, help close thisout. Max Destruction, Senjo World, and Console

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Combat. In our next episode, as a tie-in to the 4thof July holiday, we are doing a fireworks-related
duel with Jubilee versus Static. Yeah, I've beendying to get a Jubilee duel in here at some point and
the executive producers kind of think of a bettertime than around the 4th of July. And I agree. But

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that does it for this episode. You want to give a bigthanks to our executive producers, John
Staroski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe,Mickey Muthengian, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi
Yatyn, Austin Wizelowski, AJ Dunkerly, NickIbonto, Scott Kamacho, Gil Kamacho, Adam Spees,
Dean Maleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, JoshSchleiner, Mike Williams, Oscar Gabas, and Paul

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Graves for helping make this podcast possible.And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up, up, and
away, true believers. I thought a good tagline forthis episode would be The Gardener vs The Butcher.
But then I was like, nah, that's boring.