Gypsy vs Shadowkat

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Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weeklyshow where we review superhero films and debate
the superiority between Marvel and DC bycomparing their characters in stat-based battle
simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twinbrother, Marvelous Joe. And there are only six
episodes of this podcast left. We're countingdown to our 10th anniversary and final episode and

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in this one we are doing a duel between thecharacters of Gypsy and Shadowcat. One was a
member of the Justice League during the Detroitera and one is a mainstay of the X-Men. Yeah, it's
probably a crime that we've waited this long to getto a kitty pride duel. But here we are and I cannot
wait for Shadowcat to beat the shit out of this DCcharacter that I've never even heard of. You've

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never heard of Gypsy before? I have never heard ofGypsy and I don't care to either. Well, I hate to
tell you this, but you're gonna hear about her inthis episode. Yeah, be grudgingly so though. I'm
gonna laugh when not only she beats Shadowcat,kitty pride, but also becomes like your new
favorite DC character. That's asking for a lot.We're gonna find out who's gonna win later on in

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this episode. Before that, we're gonna break downthe comic book movie news from the past week of
which there is a doozy, probably one of the biggestnews items to come out in the 10 years of this
podcast and that is Netflix is set to buy WarnerBrothers and an $87 billion deal. Shut up. Shut up.

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I don't want to hear it. As always, guys, we list oursegment times in our episode description, so feel
free to check out the show notes if you want to skipahead to a particular topic. Guys, our
artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9Khas a quick message for our listeners, so listen
up. Hello. These are the final episodes of DynamicJules Weekly podcast, leading up to our grand

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and we'd love for you to stick with us as we countdown these last episodes. We're inviting you, the
listener, to help us close out the show by visitingdynamicjule.com over the next few weeks and
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Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows and theDynamite Podcast Network this week, including
the console combat podcast, where hosts John andDean simulate battles between popular video game
characters. In yesterday's episode, they foundout who'd win between the Arbiter, Thelva Dom from

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Halo and Commander Shepard from Mass Effect. Overon the Max Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and
Gilly pay your favorite action heroes from filmand television against each other. On Thursday,
the Macho Twins are learning who would win in afight between major chip hazard from small
soldiers and Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story. And onthe Central World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn

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speculates on fights between fan favorite animeand manga characters. In his next episode, Zac is
revealing who would win between Shigio Kageyama,aka Mob from Mob Psycho 100 and Tatsumaki, the
tornado of terror from One Punch Man. Visitdynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show
notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamitepodcast network. But with that out of the way,

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quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award thatMarvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the
Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post onInstagram for the person that we feel gave the best
answer to our question of the week. Last week, weasked you guys, what review episode of Dynamic
Dual did you get the most out of? And that was comingoff of the announcement that we had gotten through

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all the reviews that we were going to before theshow's finale, at which point we're changing from
a weekly podcast. We got three answers. So let's goahead and run down our two honorable mentions as
well as the No Prize winner. Our first honorablemention goes to CJ Kraft, who said, Hey guys, it's
CJ Kraft. And I think my favorite review you guyshave done has been Werewolf by Night. I remember

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watching it and thinking I can't wait to see whatthe Dynamic Dual guys have to say about this. And
you guys for the most part felt the same way I didabout it. Plus, it was just overall a good episode.
So it's going to suck to see you guys go, but I'll beappreciative for any episodes we do again. Yeah,
Werewolf by Night was interesting to reviewlargely because it's one of the more unique pieces

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of media that Marvel Studios have put out. Youknow, it was a special presentation around
Halloween a couple years ago. And it's always, Ithink, just more fun to review things that are
unique and special. Yeah, honestly, I'msurprised Marvel hasn't done more with not only
those characters, but that format, the short filmformat. I feel like they should be releasing a new

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special presentation at least twice a year, atleast once a year. I would settle for that. I think
you're right, though. They seem easier toproduce. They're a great way to explore
unexplored areas of the Marvel universe. And it'sa great way to get creative and interesting with
the continuity. I can't wait to see Werewolf byNight and Man Things show up again and Elsa

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Bloodstone and another piece of media. Hopefullythey like show up in a midnight sun's movie or
something like that. But who knows when that'llhappen. Overall, I really loved that special
presentation and I'm glad CJ Kraft that youenjoyed what we said about it. And I'm glad that you
felt the same way. Thanks CJ Kraft. Our nexthonorable mention goes to Alex Albro, who said,
OK, hear me out. The Batman and Robin review. Forone, this is when the audio no prize answers were

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first announced. So all of us calling in getsomething out of this one. But I love this movie as a
kid and had no idea it had any issues. I'd watch itmultiple times a week and probably burned out the
VHS. Robin's costume was sick. The black andsilver costumes were sick. George Clooney is
Batman for me. I guess my mid 20s, I can see yourpoints on what's bad, but nostalgia hits hard.

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This is the best Batman movie in the first DC movieI've seen. All right, it looks like you got cut off
there and I'm not going to lie. This was the lastreview I thought anyone would say was their
favorite. We just trashed the film. Basically, Ihadn't seen it in maybe decades prior, I think,
before reviewing it. And well, it may have somenostalgic appeal. There's just way too many cod

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pieces. Yeah, Jonathan has a threshold for howmany cod pieces he'll allow in a movie. I do. Yeah, I
remember actually getting flack from a fewlisteners that we even reviewed Batman and Robin
because they're like, we all know this moviesucks. Why are you wasting your time? And that was
the first time I think I mentioned to listenersthat the reason that Dynamic Duel started, its

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primary purpose was to review all the Marvel and DCfilms that had come out. And the whole dual
speculation thing kind of came across as anafterthought of that, because we would always
argue about the battles. And then we were like, oh,we could actually use math to kind of figure this
out. But yeah, the goal was to review these films,whether they were good or bad. We were going to talk
about them. And I'm surprised that consideringwhen the movie came out and how old we were that we

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don't actually have nostalgic value for Batmanand Robin, it was kind of like we just recognized it
as pretty damn bad, even as children. Well, itwasn't the first Batman movie we saw. We grew up
with the 89 Batman film on VHS. So comparing it tonot only that, but also Batman Returns and Batman
Forever. It was easy to see that this was just sodifferent and just weird that. Yeah, it was it was

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easy to not appreciate it. I think for people ourage. Yeah, it was when the critic version of
Jonathan first manifested at 11 years old.Another cod piece, one star. Thanks for the
answer, Alex. But the winner of this week's NoPrize is Kev, who I think might be Kevin Odleon, a
longtime listener, but I'm not quite sure. I couldbe wrong. But he said, hey, what's up, guys? This is

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Kev. The review that I enjoyed the most from you allwas the Infinity War review. That's actually how I
found you guys. I was looking for a review on a movieand I found you out. And that led me to listen to more
of your backlog. And yeah. Yeah, I think InfinityWar and Endgame really expanded the fan base a lot.

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It was just such a great period of excitement to be aMarvel Studios fan around that time that people
were just craving that content. I think we sawpretty good growth in our listenership when those
two films came out because they were fuckingfantastic movies. We gave both of them five stars
and it was a lot of fun to just basically just gushall over the movie in our review of it. Ew, you liked

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the movies, too. I distinctly remember walkingout of the theater and like going up to Jonathan and
being like, I think that's our first five starreview. And he was like, damn it, you're right. I
don't think it was our first five star review, but Ido remember being like, yeah, this is like the
Empire Strikes Back of superhero films. We have togive it five stars. Was the Dark Knight our first
five star review? Yeah, I think so. That soundsabout right. I'm not surprised that Infinity War

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or Endgame was an answer for this week's questionof the week. I am surprised that no one called in
with the Joker review, though, because if I'm notmistaken, that is our most listened to episode of
all time. Surprisingly, I think it's a toss upbetween our Joker review and our Avengers Endgame
review, but that's only for Apple podcasts.Honestly, I think your Joker review just confused

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a lot of people because everybody was like, oh,this movie is amazing. And you came out like, oh,
this movie made me uncomfortable. It did. It did.How could it not? That was a fun one, though. That
was a fun episode for sure. So congrats to Kev forwinning this week's snow prize. In fact, that was
the very last snow prize that we'll be handing outbecause for our last few episodes, we're really

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hoping that you guys call in and give us a farewellmessage that will air on our final episode. Just
let us know how long you've been listening. Youknow, if you have a favorite episode or moment from
the show or anything else that you want to shareabout dynamic duel and what it meant to you. And
unlike the question of the week answers, we're notgiving you 30 seconds to do it. We're giving you two

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whole minutes. And don't forget to leave your namewhen you call in by clicking on the red microphone
button in the bottom right hand corner of thescreen at dynamic duel.com. That'll prompt you to
leave us a voicemail. Again, your message could beup to two minutes long, and we will play your
voicemail on our final episode. But now thatthat's done on to the news. OK, last week, Netflix

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announced its intention to acquire WarnerBrothers in a deal that was valued at
approximately eighty seven billion dollars,making it the largest studio acquisition of all
time. Like Disney didn't pay that much for Fox. Sothat's kind of cool in a way. Netflix, of course,
bid out Comcast and Paramount, who had alsoexpressed interest in acquiring Warner

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Brothers, but they just couldn't match the numberthat Netflix did. The deal, of course, is not
finalized, and it's going to require at least ayear of not only regulatory review, but also the
division of Warner Brothers Studios fromdiscoveries, televised content. But basically,
what Netflix wants to do is absorb Warner Brothersfilm and television library, their major

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franchises and production capabilities into itsstreaming ecosystem. Early reporting is
indicating that Netflix is primarilyinterested, of course, in Warner Brothers IP
assets and content pipeline, rather than itsphysical operations, including DC Comics and its
publishing divisions or ancillary businessunits. I don't think there's any doubt as to how

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that would radically reshape Hollywood's and thecomic industry's landscape, because Netflix
will be consolidating one of the oldest studiosunder what is currently the world's dominant
streaming platform, which, of course, will raisesignificant questions about the future of
theatrical releases, legacy media operationsand divisions like DC Comics and Warner Brothers

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Games. Now, I think it's been reported recentlythat Netflix is, in fact, interested in including
Warner Brothers Games as part of itsacquisitions. But there's been little to no word
about DC Comics. And I'm not going to lie, it has mereally freaked out and pretty depressed. It's a
fortunate timing that we're ending this podcastin a matter of weeks, because it seems like this is

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the end of DC Comics in general. Like Marvel justwon, right, Jonathan? I mean, it kind of feels that
way. I'm not going to lie, because Netflix onlywants the DC intellectual property. It's
characters and its stories, not the comicsthemselves, not the creators and not the legacy.

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Because Netflix is a industry disruptor, who'sopenly signaled that they don't want the whole
Warner Brothers machine, including the lossmaking divisions that don't fit their business
model and would be left on the transactionalfloor. Like Paramount was the only company that
was actually interested in acquiring all ofWarner Brothers assets. Can you explain what

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Netflix's business model is as you understand itand why that would not include DC Comics? So
Netflix is a content algorithm, not a creativestudio. And print comics wouldn't really survive
in that business model. You know where Hollywoodhas artistic gatekeeping? Netflix just dumps
content to keep subscribers engaged. Things likequality, tradition and legacy don't matter when

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the only metric is subscriber retention. Somonthly comics, a niche, expensive medium would
have no place in that system. Right. There's no wayto put physical print comic books onto the Netflix
digital platform. I guess there is in the form ofdigital comic books, but it's not clear at this
time as to whether or not Netflix would beinterested in actually putting digital comics on

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their streamer. They might. And that's the onlyway I think DC Comics survives in the medium of
comics, whether that's digital or print. I couldtotally see Netflix wanting to put new kinds of
digital content on their platform just to keeppeople subscribed or maybe even acquire
subscribers at a higher rate if they're offeringthings like books or podcasts, maybe. But comic

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books are such a small industry like DC Comics isonly a tiny fraction of Warner Brothers revenue.
It may even be a money loser if you look at thepurchasing transfer comics within the past 20, 30
years. And Netflix is not going to subsidize adying medium. Warner Brothers kept comics alive

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to cultivate IP, but Netflix doesn't really needthat. They have cheaper R &D through algorithmic
data. And now AI comics have shrinkingreadership, shrinking orders, high costs. And
I'm pretty sure Netflix's lawyers andaccountants when they're finalizing this deal
are just going to elect that and be like,absolutely not. That's my theory. In what

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scenarios do you see DC Comic Book surviving as aprint medium if this deal goes through? I think
superheroes like Batman and Superman will thrivein streaming and animation. But like paper
comics, they're probably gone. Netflix, Iimagine, would have no motive to maintain
physical publishing. And digital only AIassisted comics are going to be far cheaper and

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easier to produce. So I think the DC stories willcontinue, but printed DC Comics likely won't.
Unless, of course, Netflix does what theycurrently do with Miller World Comics, which they
currently own, and that's license thosecharacters to currently Dark Horse Comics.
Previously, it was Image. That's right. Netflixlicenses the Miller World Comic Books to Dark

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Horse, who then produces and then publishes thosecomic books. Right. But it's not exactly like
Miller World is thriving under Netflix. Like MarkMiller still has to go to Kickstarter to get his
comics funded. And the projects that actuallyturned into shows for Netflix, like Jupiter's
Legacy, like Super Crooks, they only lasted oneseason. So that's terrifying. What do you think is

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the likelihood that Netflix will actuallylicense the DC characters to Marvel publishing?
Oh, fuck off. Fuck you. Who knows? That may be whatthey end up doing, which would freaking kill me.
And I think all DC fans, who knows, maybe this meansthat these crossover comics that we've been

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getting between both publishers would be a moreregular occurrence. But there's no denying at
that point that Marvel will have, indeed, won thecomic book wars. And you have to admit that I will
admit nothing until the steal goes through and wesee what happens. Because right now this is still a
long way off and it may not even go through. There isa lot of politicians, a lot of industry people who

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are disparaging this acquisition. So that'sgood. I hope it doesn't go through. I was much more
hoping that Comcast or Paramount would get WarnerBrothers because legacy means nothing to
Netflix. They don't care about fans. They careabout subscribers. And I think even if you are a fan
of DC Comics with high hopes for printed comics tocontinue, that sentiment is not going to save DC

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Comics. We've seen beloved institutionscollapse like Wizard Magazine, newspapers.
Marvel Comics almost died before being acquiredby Disney. And believing DC Comics will survive
forever ignores business reality. Netflix isruthless and unsentimental and laser focused on

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what drives subscriptions. Print Comics are not apart of that future. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm
afraid I'm not. Print Comics notwithstanding, Iguess there still is potential for Netflix to
produce some amazing television and film basedoff of the DC intellectual property. Like we've
seen them produce Sandman, which you've ratedfive stars. Very true. Very true. It may just be

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that the primary medium for these characters is nolonger comics, but their stories are told through
television series or films, which would be prettycool. I will always miss the comics if, in fact,
they do go away. But what's interesting to me,though, is that Netflix really doesn't have
experience with a cinematic universe. You know,they have seasons of television. Like I'm not

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familiar with any spinoff shows from Netflix. Icould be wrong. Do you think James Gunn will want to
work for Netflix? He may get a few projects fundedthrough them. But ultimately, I know a lot of
creators have come out against Netflix becausethey don't get paid residuals, because
ultimately that content ends up on a streamingplatform forever with little to no viewership

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data, or at least a data that's only proprietary toNetflix. A lot of people don't get to see that. So I
know a lot of guilds will probably be upset by that,and they'll probably fight against this. If this
deal does not go through, I'm really hoping thateither Paramount or Universal follow up with
another bid. But that may not happen because therumors are currently that Paramount is

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interested in now acquiring Universal, sothey'll have no need for Warner Brothers. How did
we get here, man? How did DC Comics get here? Like,what has it been like to be a DC fan throughout the
course of these past 10 years? Man, so when thispodcast first started, Time owned Warner
Brothers, like Time Magazine, the publishingdivision. So they actually cared about creating

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print published works like DC Comics. When AT &Tbought them in order to promote their internet
service, they really didn't know what they weregetting into. And that showed with all of the
mistakes that they made in handling the Hollywoodstudio. They sort of offloaded it onto David
Zaslaw, who promised that he could flip thestudio. And I was hoping it was going to be to

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Universal because he used to work for them. And nowthat it's going to be Netflix, it just feels like so
many things are going to change. And I hate change.This sucks. Ultimately, I blame the tech industry
because that's what I see Netflix ultimately as.It's a tech giant in the same way that Amazon and
Apple are. And they're also getting into theHollywood game. It's just a weird time for movies,

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for sure. And since Warner Brothers owns DC Comicsin the same way that Disney owns Marvel Comics,
it's affecting that industry as well, which damnit. Jonathan, what do you say to people that think
you're being doom and gloom about this? Are theyright? Are you a little bit biased here? Or are you
being a realist? I've always been biased for DC. Imean, it's not like I want this to happen. It's just

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somewhat predictable, knowing Netflix. Now, itcould be surprised. Netflix's acquisition of
Warner Brothers may not be the death knell of DCComics. I actually hope it isn't, but only time
will tell. And I don't think Netflix has reallygiven us any reason to not be skeptical about what
this acquisition means for the publisher. Well,we'll see how your conjecture pans out in, you

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know, a couple of years time. We'll report back atthat time. No, we won't. This podcast will be over,
but we'll see how it goes. I wish this happenedafter the podcast was over. So you wouldn't have to
talk about it at all. Yeah, this sucks. This sucksbig time. It literally keeps me up at night. Like we

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said earlier, there's no question of the week forthis news item. Thank goodness. So let's go ahead
and move on to the main event. We'll find out who isgoing to win between the Justice League, Detroit
member Gypsy and the X-Men member Shadowcat. Allright, Gypsy versus Shadowcats. These are two

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young female characters that are a part of largerteams. Gypsy being a part of the Justice League,
Detroit era and Shadowcat Kitty Pryde being a partof the X-Men. The characters have similar power
sets in that they're all about evasion, I guess youcould say. Yeah, Shadowcat can render herself
intangible in order to phase through solidmatter, making her extremely difficult to hit.

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And Gypsy creates mental illusions or somethinglike that. Well, specifically to turn herself
invisible. She creates illusions that surroundher so that she can't be seen by human senses, by
electronics, by telepaths, anybody. What kind ofoffensive ability is that? Does she create these
mental illusions in the same way that likeMastermind does in the X-Men books? Well, I would

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say they're as large scale as Masterminds becauseMasterminds could immerse someone completely in
an illusion. Whereas Gypsy really just coversherself, though later on in the comics she was able
to envelop like a vehicle that she was in as well orpeople surrounding her. So how is being really
good at hide and seek a superpower? I feel like Icould not fight crime with that ability. Well,

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you're going to learn later on what I break down thecharacter just exactly how she uses this ability
offensively. Yeah, I'm curious. I think a lot morepeople are familiar with Kitty Pryde, Shadowcat.
She was in the first three X-Men films as well asX-Men Days of Future Past. She was played by Elliot
Page for X-Men 3 and also in Days of Future Past. AndGypsy has been in nothing. I don't even think she's

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been in any of the cartoons. No, she's been in thecartoons and she was also a love interest of sorts
for Cisco Ramon vibe in the Flash televisionseries. You don't know shit. Apparently I don't.
Well, at least you admit it. Now, to explain themethodology behind our duels, let's go to our
sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000.AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about

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determining a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, ofcourse, sir. The way I determine a winner between
the contestants is by running one thousand MonteCarlo simulations using the characters
statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is aprobabilistic model used to determine outcomes
through random sampling. In this case, Irandomize the statistics along a normal

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distribution as a way to simulate the manyvariables that can occur during battle. The stat
parameters are based on the official Marvel powergrid from which the DC characters statistics are
extrapolated. Additional stat categories areincluded such as range, damage potential,
versatility and perception in order to create amore detailed and accurate simulation. The

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results of the one thousand simulations provide apercentage of wins for each character. The
contestant with the higher percentage isdeclared the victor as they have a higher
probability to win any given battle. In anequitable pairing, neither character should win
100 percent of the matches. The comic book storieshave shown that there's even a way for Batman to
defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of mymethod falls in line with the precedents that have

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been established in the source material. Mymathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the soleconsideration, nor a fan vote is tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.Before we run the simulations, though, we like to
break down each character's histories andabilities before improvising a scenario on how we

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imagine one of the one thousand simulations wouldplay out beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first
with the DC characters backstory. So let me tellyou all about Gypsy. Cynthia Cindy Reynolds was
born to Edward and June Reynolds in a quietMidwestern suburb. For several years, her family
life was stable, though after her younger brotherwas born, arguments arose between her parents

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escalating into a pattern of shouting,resentment, neglect, and eventually physical
abuse against Cindy. During this period ofstress, her metahuman abilities surfaced,
telepathically rooted illusions that bentperception, allowing her to blend perfectly into
her surroundings, shift her appearance orobscure her presence entirely. By age 14, Cindy

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decided to run away, buying a one-way ticket toDetroit. Alone in the inner city, Cindy used her
powers for basic survival, slipping unseenthrough alleyways and storefronts, hiding from
threats and stealing food when necessary. Wordspread of a barefoot Bohemian girl who could
vanish into the walls, and Cindy graduallyadopted the street identity of Gypsy. Cameron

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Street became her informal territory, where shelearned to refine her abilities through constant
exposure to danger and remained hidden from bothcriminals and authorities. When the Justice
League relocated to Detroit following thedissolution of the prior team, Gypsy infiltrated
their new headquarters repeatedly, testing itsdefenses and slipping past visual detection,

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electronic systems, and even MartianManhunter's telepathy. Her existence became
undeniable only when she intervened during theleague's confrontation with the Obermaster and
his cadre. With her help, Obermaster wasdefeated, prompting the league to offer her
official membership. You can learn more about theJustice League in our Justice League vs. Avengers

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Team Duel episode. Gypsy trained alongsideSteel, Vibe, Vixen, Zatanna, and Martian
Manhunter as part of the Detroit League's roster.She refined her agility, acrobatics, and combat
skills, and grew more confident in using herillusion casting offensively. During a
wilderness retreat intended to build teamwork,the royal flesh gang ambushed the league. While

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hiding, Gypsy was able to use her telepathy toproject an astral form to track down the league.

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Before disappearing, emotionally devastated,Gypsy attempted reconciliation with her family.
Eventually, the telepathed Disparo, who washunting Justice League members, located Gypsy
and murdered her parents. He would have killed heras well, if not for the intervention of Martian
Manhunter, who arrived in time to drive Disparooff. You can learn more about Disparo and Martian

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Manhunter in their duels against the highevolutionary and vision, respectively. With her
family gone, Gypsy accepted Boostergold'srecruitment into the conglomerate, a corporate
sponsored hero team. Though she contributedsignificantly to their missions, the emotional
aftermath of her parents' deaths eventuallypushed her to leave the group. Gypsy later joined

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the Justice League Task Force, where shedeveloped a close partnership with Martian
Manhunter. They worked together on missionsrequiring infiltration, psychological
disruption, or precision stealth. Early in herTask Force career, Gypsy was nearly forced into
combat with Lady Shiva during a tense operation,but avoided the confrontation. On another

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mission, she suffered catastrophic injuries andwas believed dead, though Martian Manhunter
invoked Khran Mir. The Martian got a fire and atransformation, successfully restoring Gypsy
to life. As the Task Force restructured, Gypsyremained a central member, undertaking covert
operations across multiple countries, until theteam eventually disbanded. Gypsy continued

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working intermittently with Martian Manhunterand assisted the Justice League during major
supernatural or large-scale threats, evenparticipating in operations supporting Wonder
Woman in battles against Cersei and her forces.After being recruited by Barbara Gordon, Gypsy
next joined the Birds of Prey, which you can learnmore about in their duel against A-Force. Oracle

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relied on her as an invisible operative capable ofinfiltrating spaces unseen by cameras, guards,
or enhanced senses. Gypsy's powers had grown toallow her to extend illusions across wide areas,
cloaking entire rooms, vehicles, or striketeams. During this period, she partnered with
Vixen to resolve a long-running case involvingAmos Fortune and helped rescue Stargirl when

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Fortune targeted Justice Society members. Gypsywas later abducted by the Clock King and forced to
fight in the Dark Side Club's Gladiator Arena,where she was defeated early in the tournament, be
freed once the arena was later dismantled. Inpost-Flashpoint continuity, a new Gypsy
emerged, named Cynthia Mordeth, the daughter ofQuell Mordeth, who ruled an extra-dimensional

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realm inhabited by nomadic travelers who movedbetween dimensions and absorbed multiversal
energy. As Quell Mordeth's heir, Cynthiapossessed innate illusion-casting powers,
augmented by her ability to store and channeldimensional energy. Rejecting her father's
oppressive role, Cynthia attempted to flee hernative dimension, but became separated from her

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traveling family during a transit jump. Sheemerged alone on Earth, where Argus agents
intercepted her. Mistaking her arrival for aprecursor to invasion, they imprisoned her in a
secure vault. She remained confined untilrupture. Another traveler from her dimension and
the brother of Cisco Ramone arrived on Earth. Hisincursion broke her containment, drawing

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Cynthia into conflict with her father's forces,operating covertly across dimensions. You can
learn more about Cisco in our Vibe vs Miss Americadual episode. Because this new Gypsy's powers
incorporated both magical andextra-dimensional aspects, she could absorb and
redirect dimensional energy to enhance herabilities or shield herself. She participated in

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several encounters involving Argus, rupture,and breaches between dimensions tied to her
father's influence. When the defeat of themultiversal threat from the Batman who laughs led
to the restructuring of the multiverse, theoriginal Gypsy, Cindy Reynolds, was restored to
continuity. And that's her history so far.Powers-wise, Gypsy casts illusions that bend

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perception, allowing her to render herselfinvisible against shifting backgrounds or
project fear-based hallucinations intoopponents' minds. She can disguise herself as
individuals of similar size and can extend hercloaking to nearby allies, objects, or even
moving vehicles. She possesses limitedprecognition and can project an astral form to

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observe from afar, and is a trained combatant,acrobat, and stealth operative. That's Gypsy.
Okay, so she's less offensive and more of like aspy. She's like the ultimate spy. Yeah, you could
say that. There was a time when she was a member ofJustice League Task Force, where she wore like
Romani armor and carried a scimitar, but it wasvery short-lived. Actually, there was a time when

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Shadowcat carried a Katana sword because she'strained in Kenjutsu. Or I guess it's not a Katana
because that was a samurai weapon. It was like aNinjado or something. Interesting. Okay.
Depending on how offensive Gypsy was, I wasthinking about bringing Lockheed into this match
largely because he almost always accompaniesKitty Pride. I'm sorry, did you let me have Skeets

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in the booster gold duel? I mean, there's nothingthat Skeets could do that booster gold couldn't.
Okay, if you're including Lockheed, how are wegoing to account for him in the stats though? By
giving Kitty Pride an extra range boost. Okay.Yeah. Fuck off. You don't get him. Fine. All right,
all right. But if I lose, I'm blaming you. I'mtotally okay with that. Blame me for all of your

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losses. You know, Kitty Pride's gonna be able tohold her own though. Let me go ahead and get into her
backstory. Catherine Kitty Pride was born inDeerfield, Illinois, where at age 13, her
emerging mutant power caused intense headaches.However, she developed the ability to become
intangible and pass through solid matter calledphasing. Both Professor Charles Xavier and Emma

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Frost sought to recruit her to their respectiveschools. Though their meeting was cut short when
Frost's armored mercenaries attacked, forcingKitty to evade capture and contact the X-Men.
Phoenix then altered Kitty's parents' memoriesso they would allow her to enroll at Xavier school.
Kitty became the youngest X-Men and took the codename Sprite, forming close ties with Storm,

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Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, whilealso befriending Magic. You can learn more about
the X-Men in their duel against the Titans. Earlyin Kitty's time with the X-Men, her older self from
an alternate future briefly possessed her body toprevent the assassination of an anti-muteant
politician named Senator Robert Kelly, whosedeath would have led to a post-apocalyptic

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timeline called the Days of Future Past. Kittywent on to defeat Ingari demons, get abducted by
the mutant Caliban, and narrowly survive aconfrontation with Magneto that forced him to
reconsider his increasingly violent methods.Kitty's parents later transferred her to Emma
Frost's Massachusetts Academy, where she becameembroiled in Emma's attempt to infiltrate the

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X-Men before ultimately returning to Xavierschool. You can learn more about Emma Frost in our
Poison Ivy vs White Queen duel episode. During theX-Men's imprisonment by the parasitic alien race
known as the Brood, Kitty encountered the smallalien dragon Lockheed who followed her to Earth
and became her loyal companion. Xavier attemptedto place Kitty with the new mutants team, but after

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she fought off an alien threat with Lockheed'shelp, he reinstated her as an X-Man. You can learn
more about the new mutants in their duel againstthe Legion of Superheroes. Kitty and Colossus
developed a tentative romance, but theirrelationship ended when Colossus admitted he had
fallen in love with another woman. Kitty thenfound comfort in her friendship with Cypher,

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though they never pursued a relationship.Visiting her father in Japan led to Kitty's
capture by Ogan, who is Wolverine's formermartial arts master and whose psychic
conditioning forced her to believe she was hisninja apprentice. After Wolverine helped her
break Ogan's influence through harsh training,Kitty defeated Ogan alongside Wolverine and

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returned to the X-Men, adopting the new code nameShadowcat. During the Marauder's massacre of a
group of underground mutants known as Morlocks,Kitty was struck by an energy weapon that left her
unable to regain full solidity. A joint effort bythe Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom restored Kitty to
stability, though she needed concentration toremain tangible. While recovering, she and

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Nightcrawler saw televised footage of the X-Menapparently sacrificing themselves in a battle
with the demon known as the adversary, promptingKitty and Nightcrawler to help form the team
Excalibur in London alongside Captain Britain.You can learn more about Captain Britain in his
duel against Uncle Sam. With Excalibur, Kittyfought Mojo's war wolves, helped rescue Rachel

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Summers, and entered a relationship with herteammate Pete Wisdom. Kitty was later recruited
by the International IntelligenceOrganization's Shield to repair the
Helicarrier's malfunctioning computers.There, she discovered that Ogan's spirit had
infiltrated the system, which she purged withWolverine's help. Tensions eventually ended her
relationship with Pete Wisdom, and afterExcalibur disbanded, Kitty returned to the

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X-Men, who had returned. A visit to the mutantnation of Genotian profoundly affected Kitty,
and after Colossus seemingly died curing theLegacy Virus, she saw a normal life studying at the
University of Chicago. She became involved inconflicts with anti-mutant groups such as
Purity, and helped repel a new wave of sentinelsled by Nimrod, whom you can learn more about in our

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Amazo vs. Bastion duel. Kitty later joinedStorm's Extreme X-Men squad, and confronted
threats including William Striker and LordImperial, before accepting Cyclops's
invitation to rejoin the main X-Men team at theXavier Institute despite her uneasiness toward
Emerfrost. On one of her first missions back,Kitty discovered that Colossus was alive, having

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been experimented on after his apparent death byan alien from Breakworld. The two reconciled and
resumed their relationship. Later, ProfessorX's twin Cassandra Nova manipulated Kitty's
mind, making her believe she had a child who hadbeen taken captive, causing Kitty to free
Cassandra Nova's consciousness fromimprisonment. Afterward, the X-Men were

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abducted by the extraterrestrial intelligenceagency, Sword, and they were taken to Breakworld.
There, Kitty phased into a massive bullet that wasfired at Earth, and unable to escape it, she phased
the whole bullet through the planet, savingEarth, but remained stuck inside it as it hurtled
through space. Magneto later tracked andredirected the bullet, pulling Kitty safely back

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to Earth, though she remained stuck in anintangible, speechless state. She was later
fully restored after a Breakworld alien ritualrevived her and stabilized her powers. Kitty then
accompanied Colossus and Magic to the CrimsonCosmos, where Colossus became Sidorok's new
juggernaut, prompting Kitty to end theirrekindled relationship. You can learn more about

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this in our Metal Man vs Colossus Duel. WhenWolverine founded a new mutant school in
opposition to Cyclops's militarization of theX-Men, Kitty joined him as Headmistress. There,
she endured a brood infestation that masqueradedas a sudden pregnancy, but she was able to remove
the alien parasite. She later mentored thetime-displaced original X-Men brought to the

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present by Beast, but disagreements over how theteenagers should be handled led Kitty to leave
Wolverine school and join Cyclops's Renegadeteam, where she worked closely with the young Jean
Grey. During Jean's kidnapping by the Shiar Alienrace, Kitty collaborated with the Guardians of
the Galaxy, beginning a romance with Peter Quill,aka Star-Lord. Kitty traveled to space and

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rescued Quill from the Slaughter Lords, helpingsteal a cosmic artifact known as the Black Vortex.
After the artifact changed hands repeatedly,Kitty submitted to its power so she could phase the
entire planet's Spartax and its population fromcaptivity. Star-Lord proposed to Kitty
afterward, and she accepted. As Quill became theKing of Spartax, Kitty struggled with his growing

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responsibilities and eventually took on themantle of Star-Lord herself. Their relationship
deteriorated until both were captured by theCollector and forced to confront their
unresolved conflict, reconciling beforereturning to the Guardians. Kitty later fought
the Kree accuser Hala, liberated prisoners on aPudun world, and assisted Earth's heroes during a

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conflict between Iron Man and Captain Marvel,before choosing to separate from Quill and leave
the Guardians of the Galaxy. You can learn moreabout that team in their duel against Doom Patrol.
Back on Earth, Kitty settled briefly in Chicagobefore Storm convinced her to rejoin the X-Men as
their leader. She moved the mansion to CentralPark, oversaw a restructured team, and rekindled

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her relationship with Colossus, ultimatelyproposing to him. However, Kitty left Colossus at
the altar, recognizing their volatile historywas not a foundation for marriage. When the mutant
nation of Kakao formed, Kitty discovered shealone could not use its organic gateways.
Displaced from mutant society, she adopted thename Kate and accepted Emma Frost's offer to serve

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as the Red Queen of the Hellfire Trading Company,taking to the high seas and leading the Marauders
to liberate mutants worldwide. Sebastian Shaw,former leader of the Hellfire Club, was
threatened by Kate's influence and arranged tohave her drowned. Resurrection through Kakao
proved unusually difficult in Kate's case, butwith Emma's intervention, she returned, helped

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defeat and politically neutralize Shaw, andcontinued defending mutants. You can learn more
about Sebastian Shaw in his duel against VandalSavage. During a catastrophic attack on Kakao,
the anti-muent organization Orgis sabotaged theisland's systems and forced Professor Xavier to
evacuate mutants through the Kakao gateways,only for the population to vanish to a pocket

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reality due to Orgis' interference. Kate managedto avoid capture and rebranded herself as
Shadowcat, Cat with a K. She conducted lethalcovert operations against Orgis, later joining a
small strike team that continued resisting untilOrgis' eventual defeat. With the conflict over,
she returned to Chicago, where a young mutantinspired her to re-embrace her cheerful nature

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and go back to her nickname Kitty instead of Kate.Powers-wise, Shadowcat, with a K, has the ability
to phase through matter by rendering herself orany part of herself intangible. She can extend
this intangibility to anyone or anything in herimmediate proximity, allowing whatever she
touches to phase as well. While phased insidesolid matter, she is decoupled from gravity and

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inertia, allowing her to sink or rise through thematter freely. A limitation on her intangibility
is that it is harder for her to phase throughextremely dense matter, for example, phasing
through adamantium makes her sick. She is alsounable to phase through mystical energies or
electromagnetic energy such as radiation,electricity, or microwaves. However, this

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allows her to disrupt electronic devices whilephasing through them, as well as a person's
nervous system, causing anything from shock tounconsciousness in her enemies. She can also
partially phase, becoming just dense enough toaffect a person's internal states. She can also
phase out of sync with Earth's rotation, allowingher to travel due west at a rate of approximately

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1000 miles per hour at the equator, down to around500 miles per hour in the mainland United States.
While tangible, her mind is immune to telepathy.She is also an expert in computer science and a
Wait, she is immune to telepathy? Whenintangible, yes. I don't know how that is going to

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affect this particular battle, but I guess we willplay it out and see how that goes. Well, Gypsy is a
telepath, but her power affects all senses, notjust telepathic ones. I mean, she simulates
senses through the person's brain throughtelepathy, how I figure it works. I don't know how
it works. I don't think it's that though. Okay,okay. Let's find out. All right, guys, the clock is

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off your entire order. That's D U E L atoldglory.com, because even superheroes can't
stop the holiday countdown. Well, now that we'vegot their histories and abilities out of the way,
let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulatedmatches will go. The winner is determined by

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simulations, not this speculation, but it's funto imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K,
what are the rules of speculation? Well, I shouldsay there are no rules other than the characters
have no prior knowledge of the other going into thefight. All they are aware of starting out is that
the other character is a threat that needs to beeliminated. For the speculation, the

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contestants will begin approximately 50 metersapart in a nondescript environment that will have
no bearing on the match itself, as noenvironmental statistics are considered in my
simulations. The contestants must earn victoryon their own merit. Alright, then let's get into
it. Gypsy and Shadowcat meet on the battlefield.Who goes first? I say Shadowcat is gonna start

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first by phasing into the ground beneath her, soshe's intangible. That means Gypsy can't see her
and she can't also psychically influence her, soGypsy can't do jack shit. Okay, well, what are
Shadowcat's senses like underground? Uh, well,her vision is obscured and her hearing would be

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dulled, and her smell would also be dulled, andlike she has to hold her breath while phased
through solid matter because there's no oxygenthere, and that limits the time that she can spend
within solid matter. So not great. We'll say notgreat. Alright, I guess I'll just fucking wait for
her to come back up to the surface then, becausewhen she does, she's not gonna see Gypsy anywhere,

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because Gypsy goes invisible. Well, uh, likeassuming Gypsy didn't move after Shadowcat went
underground, Shadowcat leaps from out of theground with a ninja kick that busts Gypsy right in
the nose, blurring her vision. Ah, damn, sorry.Gypsy did in fact move because she's not an idiot,

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so Shadowcat literally kicks air and, you know,she awkwardly lands. That's when her legs are
gonna get swept out from under her by Gypsy, stillinvisible, and Shadowcat is gonna land on her
head, knocking her out. Sorry to tell you, only thesoles of Shadowcat's feet were tangible as she
landed. The rest of her was intangible, so whenGypsy tries to sweep the leg, she just gets nothing

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but air. And after that big ol' whiff, Shadowcat'sable to detect Gypsy's invisible leg going
through her, and therefore she's able todetermine her location. So using that, Shadowcat
leaps through Gypsy's body, disrupting theelectrical signals in her nervous system, and
causing her to become visible, and also barf herbrains out. And like when Gypsy's bent over,

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puking, Shadowcat just punts her right in thethroat. Dang. Okay, well that will cause puke to
spray all over Shadowcat as Gypsy gets knockedaway by the kick. No, no, no, the puke just goes
right through Shadowcat, okay? And since Gypsy'sstill visible, Shadowcat's gonna follow up with
this front flip drop heel kick. It's called arolling thunder kick, and that's just gonna knock

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Gypsy the fuck out. Like, she's gonna beunconscious after a kick like that. Except that
the Gypsy that Shadowcat attacked was anillusion. The real Gypsy, you know, got her
bearings and rolled away to recover while leavinga decoy projection of herself, so Shadowcat just
lands on the ground really hard. And since her bodywas fully tangible to lend weight to her attack,

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Shadowcat receives the full brunt of Gypsy's ownrunning drop kick right as she lands. No, that foot
would just go right through Shadowcat. Fuck you.No, it doesn't. Okay, let's say Gypsy does land a
kick on Shadowcat. Big deal, it's not gonna happenagain. Like, Gypsy would probably try to follow up

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with another hit, and that one would go rightthrough Shadowcat. So Gypsy would be thrown off
balance, and that would leave her open forShadowcat to again, except this time she takes one
of Gypsy's eyeballs with her, just phases it rightout of her skull. Actually, before she could do
that, Shadowcat is gonna stop short when she seesthat Gypsy suddenly is like a fucking vampire

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zombie swamp monster, which is an illusion, ofcourse, but Shadowcat's gonna get so freaked out
by this, so shocked that she's gonna fault her andbecome tangible, giving Gypsy just enough time to
do like a palm strike right to Shadowcat's solarplexus. Except the palm goes right through

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Shadowcat. You bitch. Okay, fine. Gypsy knocksthe wind out of Shadowcat, so Shadowcat's gonna
fall over, but she's just gonna fall into theground again to recover. And then she's gonna
launch out of the ground again with an uppercutthat phases Gypsy's heart right out of her chest.
Fatality. Match over, Shadowcat wins. No, no, no,because Gypsy has limited precognition. That

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actually helps her perfect her illusion castingability in like chaotic environments. So Gypsy
saw this coming, and she's just gonna step out ofthe way, grab Shadowcat's tangible fist, and just
flip her back onto the ground in this reallypowerful slam, when strong enough that it
straight up knocks Shadowcat out, giving Gypsythe win. Now, Shadowcat just phases into the

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ground again. I will cut you. This, this is exactlywhy we waited so long to do a kitty pride duel. Well,
maybe instead of phasing into the ground, all of asudden Shadowcat phases out of sync with the
earth, so that all of a sudden Gypsy gets flung atlike 500 miles per hour due west alongside kitty

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pride, and like just gets fucking thrown that way.Did you not hear me say she has precognition? I'm
pretty sure I said that. That's fair. We could goahead and leave the duel there. Either Shadowcat
takes Gypsy out by phasing her heart out of herchest, or Gypsy sees this coming and slams her to
the ground, knocking Shadowcat unconscious. Notgonna lie, one of those endings is a lot cooler than

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the other. We'll go ahead and input their stats,run the simulations, and come back with a winner. A
G9K? Hit it! Alright, this was a very trickyspeculation to do, largely because both of these
characters are so defensive within their powerset that we quickly, I feel like, ran out of ideas on

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how they could attack each other. This is one of thereasons why you should let me include Lockheed in
this duel No, sorry, Lockheed is not Shadowcat.Shadowcat is Shadowcat. So she was the only one you
got in this duel. I do think it would have spicedthings up a little bit because Gypsy and Shadowcat
weren't too impressive statistically when itcame to things like damage level, or strength, or

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durability. They were hella evasive. Shadowcatis faster than Gypsy, but only when going due west.
We said when they came to fighting skill, they wereeven, and also versatility, which is not
surprising because they're both kind ofone-trick ponies. I was surprised that Gypsy was
as good of a fighter as Shadowcat. Dude, yeah, shetrained under Bronze Tiger. Is that more

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impressive than training under Wolverine? Hellyeah, bro. Hell yeah. Now, in addition to speed,
Shadowcat also got the edge when it came tointellect and evasiveness, but only because it's
harder to hit someone who's intangible thansomeone who's invisible. But Gypsy got the edge
when it came to perception, considering she's atelepath. And she also has limited precognition.

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And could observe things from afar with her astralprojection, which is why she also got a slight
range advantage, also considering that she couldproject her illusions to encompass like a room. So
taking all of this into consideration, Joseph,who do you think came out on top in this match?
Shadowcat, because I don't care how invisibleGypsy goes, she's not going to be able to touch

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Shadowcat. You think so, huh? Yeah. And Instagramagrees with me. 67%, literally two-thirds of our
poll takers have cited with Shadowcat. And I got tosay, it's about damn time that they sided with the
Marvel character. And yet we all know this isbecause Shadowcat has been in the movies. And the
Instagram poll is much more of a popularitycontest, rather than an evaluation of the

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character's stats. Yeah, Shadowcat's beenbetter represented in the media, and is just
generally a better character overall, is whatyou're saying? Yes. The Instagram poll takers
know this. But will that result in a win? Let's findout. AJ9K, the results, please. Here you are, sir.
The winner of the matchup between Gypsy andShadowcat is Shadowcat. Of course, I feel like I

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barely have to celebrate this. It was obvious fromthe start. It was not obvious. What are you talking
about? I totally thought Gypsy was going to comeahead in this. Shadowcat won an even 560 out of the
1000 matches, or 56% of the time, compared toGypsy, who only won 44%. Jonathan, Netflix bought

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DC and Gypsy lost this dual matchup. What are youdoing next? I'm going to beat your ass is what I'm
going to do. Drive over to your house right now,kicking your door. Thanks for the warning. I will
set my alarm. Or I guess it would just make moresense just to call the cops. They'll be on my side
for all the shit talking you do. Well, congrats tothe Marvel fans. You guys did it again. Showed DC

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what's up. We all know that Marvel's better,especially nowadays. Cheers to you guys. Well,
that does it for this shitty episode. AJ9K helpclose us out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic
Dual. Visit the show's website atdynamicdual.com and follow us on Instagram at
Dynamic Dual podcast. Don't forget to listen tothe other shows in the Dynamite podcast network,

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including Max Destruction, Senjo World, andConsole Combat. In our next episode, which
hopefully will be better, I think it will be, it'sgoing to be another duel this time between the
Superman villain Parasite against Sauron of theSavage Land. Yeah, he's an X-Men villain
primarily. He looks like a big green pterodactyl.So look forward to that next week. We want to give a

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big thanks to our executive producers, JohnSturrosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe,
Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Aitin, AustinWazalowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Cabanto, Scott
Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Speese, Dean Molesky,Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, and Paul Graves for
helping make this podcast possible. And we'lltalk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true

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