Monitor vs Watcher

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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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Hey and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast,a weekly show where we review superhero films
and debate the superiority between Marvel andDC by comparing their characters and stat-based
battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'mhis twin brother Johnny DC. And in this episode,
guys, we're going to find out who would winin a fight between DC's The Monitor and Marvel's

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The Watcher. Now we're coming straight off ofour review of What If Season 3 in which The
Watcher Uwatu plays a prominent role, and theexecutive producers figured now was as good
a time as any to use that character in a dueland find out who would win when we put him
against DC's equivalent. Yeah, for a while therewe were considering doing anti-Monitor or maybe

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Metron against Watcher, but we voted on Monitor.This speculation will get pretty interesting.
Yeah, we'll find out who will win between thosetwo characters later on this episode. Before
that, we're going to break down the comic bookmovie news to come out this past week of which
there was none. You get nothing. You stole fizzylifting drinks. Good day, sir. Yeah, there's
a ton of rumors going on out there right nowin regards to both the DCU and MCU, but nothing

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really concrete. We will be breaking down thisweek's no prize winners and giving a question
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On the Send Your World podcast, host ZacharyHepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite

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or click the link in our show notes to listento all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast
Network. But with that out of the way, quickto the no prize. A No Prize is an award Marvel
used to give out to fans. Our version, the DynamicDuel No Prize, is a digital award that we pushed
on Instagram for the person we feel gave thebest answer to our question of the week. Last

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week we asked you guys if you could recast anyother DCEU actor in a DCU role, who would it
be and why? And this is coming off the newsthat Jason Momoa has been cast as Lobo in James
Gunn's new DC movie universe. having previouslybeen in the DCEU of course as Aquaman. We got
a total of four answers, so we have three honorablementions to go over before revealing this week's

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no-price winner. Our first honorable mentiongoes to Colby Henches, who said, Hey boys,
Colby Henches. If any DCEU actor were comingback, I'd like to see it be everybody's favorite
Flash Thompson, Joe Manganiello. He only gotto be Deathstroke for like two seconds on screen.
I'd love to see him come back as Deathstroke,but if we're recasting, I think he'd be a great

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Midnighter in the upcoming Authority movie.Yeah, Deathstroke is an A-tier villain in DC
Comics, not only for teams like the Titans,but also the Justice League. I would love to
see him in action on screen in a way that wehaven't before, like on the small screen with
the Titans show or even Arrow. And yeah, JoeManganiello was definitely robbed of the opportunity

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to play that badass character in a movie. Noone quite has had it as bad, I think, as Joe
Manganiello. So I think he would be great inthe role. I think he deserves to be seen. Yeah,
100%. I also would have hated him as Midnighter,but I would let him choose what role he wanted
to play. Great answer, Colby Hentges. Let'sgo ahead and move on to our next honorable
mention given by Miggy Matangian, who said.Hey, what's up, guys? This is Miggy, and if

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I could recast a DCEU actor in the DCU, I wouldprobably go with Keirsey Clemens as Miss Martian.
She played Iris West previously. I think shejust kind of has the vibe to like play an innocent
character who's secretly hiding something. Icould also see Jack Dylan Grazer as Beast Boy.

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Thanks guys. Yeah, those are both great optionsfor young heroes within DC. I totally get what
you're coming from with Kirsi Clemens. Kindof having those doe eyes makes her look innocent
and cute like you mentioned. I don't know ifyou mentioned the cute part. I added that part.
But yeah, Miss Martian should be cute. JackDylan Grazer as Beast Boy 2 is also a top choice.

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I will miss Ryan Potter in the role, but yeah,Jack Dylan Grazer has all of the qualities
that I think you would want in a Beast Boy actor.If Keirce Clemens was Ms. Martian, who would
you cast as Marsha Manhunter? Oh, Dennis Haysbert.Terrific voice, great actor. I think you would
be perfect. That's a good call, that's a goodcall. Great answer, Miggy Mathenkean. Our next

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honorable mention goes to Brandon Estregard,who said. Hey guys. If I was able to bring
back one actor from the DCU, it would have tobe Eldris Hodge. I would cast him as Icon,
and for bonus I would cast Bailey Bass as Rocket.Yeah, Eldris Hodge is another great actor that
I will definitely miss if he's not brought backfor James Gunn's DCU. I think he would make,

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like, really any great superhero. I would loveto see him as Icon, because I would love for
there to be an Icon movie. That would be a fantasticstory to put on the screen, for sure. Icons
like Superman, but he's different enough whereI think audiences would really latch onto it.
I'm not familiar with Bailey Bass. I guess shewas an avatar, the second one. But yeah, from
the looks of it, I think she would be a terrificRocket as well. Yeah, we pit Rocket against

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Spider-Gwen in a Duel episode. If you guys wantto learn more about Icon and Rocket. But great
answer, Brandon Estregard. The winner of thisweek's No Prize goes to Noah Terry, who said,
Hey, guys, so if I could recast any TCU actorinto the DCU, it would be Asher Angel aka Billy
Batson as Nightwing. I think that he can definitelyact with heart. He's no stranger to action

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and he would just be a great fit to see himin Batman, the Brave and the Bold. So that's
my answer. Thanks, bye guys. Yeah, I cannotwait to see Nightwing on the big screen. He's
a really important character. You know, besidesthe Trinity, I think he's probably the fourth
most important character in DC comics. And AsherAngel definitely has the look for Nightwing.

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He may be a little young for the character,but hey, if that's the case, there's always
Red Hood. By the time the movie comes out, he'llbe old enough. Do you think he would do as
good of a job as Dick Grayson as Chris O'Donnelldid? Yeah, that's not even a question. I'm
not concerned about that. My big concern iscan he do a better job than Brenton Thwaites
from the Titan series? because Brenton Thwaitesis a phenomenal actor and he did way better

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than was even necessary for the character ofDick Grayson in Nightwing in that show. That's
true, yeah, he would be the guy to beat. He'sby far the best Dick Grayson on screen. Great
answer, Noah Terry, you win this week's No Prize.If you, the listener, want a shot at winning
your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on thisepisode when we'll be asking another Question
of the Week. And now that that's done, on tothe news. There is no news. That's right, nevermind.

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On to the question of the week.
What Marvel or DC theatrical film are you mostlooking forward to in 2025? That of course
includes Superman, which is DC's only theatricalrelease this year, Captain America Brave New
World, which releases in just about a month,The Fantastic Four First Steps, or Thunderbolts.

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Let us know which one you guys are most pumpedto see in theaters in 2025. Record your answer
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Be sure to answer before January 18th.
But I think we're ready now to go ahead anddive into our duel and find out who would win
in a fight between DC's monitor and Marvel'swatcher.

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Alright, the Monitor versus the Watcher. Now,as I mentioned earlier, we're doing this episode
as a tie-in to the review of What If Season3, which we spoke about last episode. At the
end of that season, the character of the Watcher,also known as Uwatu, kicks all kinds of ass.
He throws down against the other Watchers, andit was really a sight to behold. It was a great

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way to close out the show, despite the factthat it kinda goes against the pacifist ideals
of the character. So this will be an interestingduel to get through in pitting two guys who
are basically sworn to inaction against eachother. Yeah, that's more of a watcher thing
than a monitor thing. But yeah, these are essentiallytwo characters who weren't created to interact

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in any way. They were just created to observe.So in determining how these characters would
fight, we had to get kind of creative. Yeah,we've gotten creative in a few of our duel
episodes before. Like if you listen to the Riddlerversus Arcade, those are two characters. who
don't really throw down a lot. You know, theyuse their mind in the battle, which is always
hard to speculate on. So we ended up comingup with riddles to give each other to see who

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had the strongest mind. In the Mephisto versusSandman duel episode, there was a game that
was played between Sandman and the devil inthe Sandman comic book series that we decided
to run with for that duel speculation. And thatwas a lot of fun. And even if you look at our
most recent duel episode, the one we did atthe end of last year, where we pit dog pool

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against ace the bat hound. That was a differenttake. We put them against each other in a dog
show because we didn't really wanna see twodogs tearing each other apart like in an actual
dog fight. So we've gotten creative with thisstuff before and I'm really excited to show
you guys how we're going to pit these two observersagainst each other and test their observational
skills. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'malso looking forward to just giving the backstory

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of the monitor because giving the backstoryof the monitor. is kind of like giving the
backstory of the DC universe as a whole. SoI kind of feel like this is a special episode.
That's gonna be a really boring story. You couldfuck you, fuck you. To explain our methodology
behind our duels, let's go to our sentient Duelsimulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ 9K, tell

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our listeners how you go about determining awinner in our Duel matchups. Yes, of course,
sir. The way I determine a winner between thecontestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo
simulations using the characters statistics.A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic
model used to determine outcomes through randomsampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics

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along a normal distribution as a way to simulatethe many variables that can occur during battle.
The stat parameters are based on the officialMarvel power grid from which the DC characters
statistics are extrapolated. Additional statcategories are included such as range, damage
potential, versatility and perception in orderto create a more detailed and accurate simulation.

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The results of the 1000 simulations providea percentage of wins for each character. The
contestant with the higher percentage is declaredthe victor as they have a higher probability
to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing,neither character should win 100% of the matches.
The comic book stories have shown that there'seven a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So

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the confidence rate of my method falls in linewith the precedents that have been established
in the source material. My mathematical simulationsare without subjectivity or bias. Feats are
not the sole consideration, nor are fan votestabulated for determination of the winner.
Thanks AJ and NK. Before we run the simulationsthough, we like to break down each character's
histories and abilities before improvising ascenario on how we imagine one of the 1000

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simulations would play out. Beat for beat. AndI believe it's my turn to go first with the
Marvel character, so let me go ahead and tellyou guys all about Uwatu the Watcher. The Watchers
are one of the most ancient and advanced racesin the Marvel Universe, originating billions
of years ago. Known initially as the Luminous,they were revered for their vast knowledge
and cosmic power, capable of transforming theirbodies into light and traversing the universe

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in an instant. Their altruistic mission beganwith the noble goal of sharing their advanced
knowledge to uplift less developed civilizationsand foster universal progress. However, their
first attempt to aid the planet Prasilius byintroducing nuclear technology ended in catastrophic
failure. The Prasilikans weaponized the knowledge,plunging the world into a devastating nuclear

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war that annihilated their race. Ashamed andburdened by guilt, the Luminous took a solemn
vow to observe and record the universe withoutinterference, renaming themselves the Watchers.
Relocating to various parts of the cosmos, theybuilt an extraordinary repository of knowledge
called the Acycopedia Universum, and establishedtheir sacred code of non-interference. Over

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millennia, they became cosmic chroniclers, silentlywitnessing the unfolding history of the universe,
preserving its secrets, and standing as eternalguardians of knowledge. The lessons from Priscilla
Kiss forever shaped their philosophy, instillinga deep-seated fear of unintended consequences
and their cosmic responsibilities. Among theWatchers, Uatu was uniquely drawn to the complexity

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and resilience of Earth and its solar system.Establishing his base in the blue area of the
moon, Uatu faithfully upheld his duties formillennia. His father, Ikor, was a staunch
advocate of the Watcher's Code, shaping Uatu'searly understanding of their mission and instilling
in him a deep sense of responsibility. Despitehis upbringing, Uatu developed a profound fascination

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with humanity and its capacity for both greatnessand destruction. The unique Duelity of human
nature with its boundless potential deeply resonatedwith Uatu, fostering a strong emotional connection
with Earth's inhabitants. Uatu's first recordedinteraction with humanity occurred in 1602,
when a temporarily displaced Captain Americathreatened to unravel the time stream. Uatu

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revealed himself to an Elizabethan-era DoctorStrange who was instrumental in facilitating
Captain America's return to his rightful time,thus preserving the integrity of the timeline.
This event marked the beginning of a long historyof subtle interventions that would define Uatu's
role as Earth's watcher. In modern times, Uatu'sfascination with humanity deepened when the

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Fantastic Four ventured to the moon and discoveredhis citadel. You can learn more about the Fantastic
Four in their duel against the Justice Society.Uatu observed the Fantastic Four's battle against
the Russian scientist known as the Red Ghostand his Super Apes, a conflict he allowed to
play out as a test of their mettle and unity.Impressed by the Fantastic Four's victory,

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Uatu began to subtly intervene in critical eventson Earth, justifying his actions as necessary
to safeguard the planet from existential threats.His involvement with the Fantastic Four established
a precedent for future interactions with Earth'sheroes, further intertwining his destiny with
theirs. Among Uatu's most significant violationsof the Watcher's Code was his involvement in

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humanity's first encounter with Galactus, theworld's devouring cosmic entity. Using his
advanced technology, Uatu attempted to cloakEarth from Galactus' detection, and later guided
the Human Torch to Galactus' worldship to retrievethe Ultimate Nullifier, the only weapon capable
of deterring the World's Devourer. You can learnmore about Galactus in his duel against the

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Spectre. Though Galactus ultimately spared Earth,Uatu's actions drew the attention of his fellow
Watchers, leading to a trial that found himguilty of repeated interference. Despite their
disapproval, Uatu's love for humanity compelledhim to continue observing Earth and its heroes
closely, often justifying his defiance by theplanet's unique potential and his belief that

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Earth held a special place in the cosmos. Overthe following years, Uatu played a pivotal
role in more events. He warned the FantasticFour of threats like the Molecule Man and the
Overmind, assisted the Avengers in battles againsttime-traveling foes such as King the Conqueror,
and provided invaluable guidance during criseslike the Kreisgrul War. Yet Uatu's compassion
extended beyond humanity. He offered aid toextraterrestrial allies like the Silver Surfer,

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and intervened in cosmic disputes that threatenedthe stability of the universe. His penchant
for continuing to bend the rules led to increasedconflict with other Watchers, including his
nephew, Eren. As a young Watcher who had notyet been assigned a station, Eren also broke
the Watcher's code and schemed to manipulatethe Fantastic Four to create a pocket universe
that he could rule on his own. Uatu ultimatelysubdued Eren, an act that sacrificed his own

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status among the Watchers, as they strippedhim of his title and exiled him from their
order. Despite his exile, Uatu's bond with Earthremained unbroken. He continued to witness
humanity's triumphs and tragedies. However,Uatu's history took a tragic turn as a citadel
on the moon was attacked by a group of villainswho sought to plunder his vast repository of

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knowledge. Uatu was gravely wounded and oneof his eyes… containing the secrets of everything
he had observed was stolen. Nick Fury, senior,seeking to prevent further misuse of the Watcher's
knowledge, confronted the injured Uatu, whoafter being attacked had now become more steadfast
in his code of non-interference. When Uatu refusedto divulge his attackers identities, Fury took

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the drastic step of killing him with a gammairradiated bullet and taking his remaining
eye. This granted Nick Fury all of Uatu's knowledge,and he reluctantly inherited his role as Earth's
observer, now known as the Unseen. You can learnmore about Nick Fury Sr. in his son's duel
against Rick Flag. However, Uatu was later miraculouslyresurrected from his own eye when the Unseen

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happened upon some ancient alien relics. Uatureclaimed his role as the Watcher and employed
the now- powerless Nick Fury to act as his agentagainst a newly discovered renegade faction
of Priscilla Kins, the same race believed tohave destroyed themselves all those eons ago.
As they were now waging a war against the Watchers,Uatu traveled to his home planet of T-37X to

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call the other Watchers to action. Yet theystill vowed not to interfere so as not to repeat
the mistakes of their past, and the Watchersimprisoned Uatu. Using a device called the
Apex of All Realities, which could see what-ifworlds, they made Uatu watch an alternate reality
in which he had not helped the Fantastic Fouragainst Galactus. He saw that not only would

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Earth have repelled the World Devourer on itsown, but the planet would have developed into
a scientific utopia. Distraught, Uatu was soonrescued by Nick Fury, and he later learned
that alternate Earth would have eventually beendestroyed by its own technology. As the Priscilla
Kins poisoned the Watcher's

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who merged with the apex of all realities tobecome the one and only Watcher. He used his
increased power to restore the Priscilla's home,and reinstated Nick Fury Senior as Earth's
new Watcher. And that's his backstory. Powers-wise,the Watcher, like every member of his race,
is considered a cosmic-level being with vastpower and knowledge. Though he's sworn to inaction,

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he will occasionally take the minimal stepsnecessary to prevent large-scale death and
destruction. Among his vast power set is omniscientlevel cosmic awareness and senses, immortality,
telepathy on a global scale, teleportation ona universal scale, invisibility, illusion casting,
time travel, flight, vast durability, size alteration,vast cosmic energies that can create blasts

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on a global scale or shields or other constructs.He also has an extra-dimensional portal that
he can use to see into alternate realities.He is all-knowing, he's all-powerful, and today
he's gonna kick all kinds of monitor ass. Bro,the Watcher is like monitor light. What are
you talking about? If by monitor light you meangonna totally stomp all over monitor's ass,

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then yeah. No, you don't know what light means,apparently. You'll get what I'm talking about
when I go over the monitor's backstory.
was one of three cosmic siblings created byPerpetua, a celestial being known as a Hand

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that hailed from the greater omniverse. TheHands were tasked with creating multiverses
within the omniverse using anti-crisis energyfrom the source, God essentially, intended
to pass their energies back to him upon completion.Perpetua, however, defied her purpose, forging
a multiverse fueled by negative crisis energy.the DC Multiverse, designed to perpetuate itself

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through cycles of crises and rebirth that wouldkeep her alive. Perpetua shaped her multiverse
into three distinct realms, dark matter of creativepotential, positive matter of constancy and
order, and destructive antimatter. To overseethese realms, she created her three sons. Marnovu,
the Monitor, was charged with safeguarding thepositive matter realm. and preserving the universes

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within it from existential threats. Alpheus,the World Forger, crafted potential universes
within the Dark Matter Realm. Mobius, the Anti-Monitor,governed the Anti-Matter Realm, tasked with
ensuring the light of creation did not breachthe boundaries of the Greater Omniverse and
alert the Source. Curious about the GreaterOmniverse, Marnovu peered into it and its other

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multiverses, becoming aware of his mother'scrime. When he confronted Perpetua, she revealed
her intent to remain as their multiverse's eternalprotector and shared her vision of omniversal
conquest. To achieve this, she merged Martiansand humans to create an army of perfect and
immortal beings known as Apex Predators, geneticallydesigned for endless warfare. Horrified and

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fearing the judgment of the source, Marnovurejected his mother, who unleashed her Apex
Predators on him. Marnovu eventually unitedwith Alpheus and Mobius to oppose their mother.
In their Promethean galaxy, they created a colossaltuning fork tower in an attempt to communicate
with the Omniverse to expose Perpetua's crimes,and though she attempted to intervene by unleashing

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her army on them, her sons were successful.The source responded by sending a cosmic raptor,
a manifestation of judgment, to confront Perpetua.Perpetua and all of her power were imprisoned
within a source wall made up of her apex predators,a boundary that marked the multiverse's edge.

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Rather than destroy Perpetua's creation, themultiverse was reset, including the three brothers,
with Marnovu coalescing over time on the moonof Oa in the Prime Universe and Mobius on the
moon of Chord in the Antimatter Universe.

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sought to destroy him, beginning by conqueringthe antimatter universe and subjugating the
citizenry of Kord into becoming his army. Hetransferred the most loyal of Kord's inhabitants
into shadow demons and corporeal extensionsof his will, while drafting others into his
army of Thundererers, warriors equipped withdevastating lightning bolts. Marnovu, aware

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of his brother's actions, eventually went towar with Mobius in a universal battle between
the barrier of their universes. that spanneda million years. Their feud eventually ended
in a stalemate, leaving both the monitor andthe anti-monitor inert and trapped in a state
of dormancy. For nine billion years, they remainedmotionless, forgotten by the countless worlds

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their battle had once threatened. Eventually,Krona, a curious scientist from the planet
Maltus, sought to know the origins of the universe,and in his experimentations, fractured the
newly stabilized multiverse into infinite paralleluniverses. Though Corona mistakenly believed
he had created the multiverse, his actions merelyrevealed its existence to his reality, destabilizing

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it further. The Malthusians suppressed the storyof Perpetua, fearing the consequences of her
legacy. Pariah, a scientist from a fringe universelike Corona, unintentionally discovered the
anti-matter universe, accidentally unleashingit into his own and destroying it. This act
also awakened Mobius, as the antimatter universeexpanded to fill the void of the one Pariah

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destroyed, increasing Mobius' domain and power.Re-amassing his army and sending universe-destroying
waves of antimatter into the multiverse, Mobiusdetermined that to defeat Marnovu, he could
gain infinite power by destroying the now infinitemultiverse. Sensing Mobius' resurgence, Marnovu
also awoke and prepared for the coming crisis.Establishing a base in space, he used advanced

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technology to study the multiverse and identifychampions capable of defending it. Among these
was Harbinger, a girl he rescued and empoweredto serve as his emissary. As Mobius's antimatter
wave began consuming universes, Marnovu deviseda plan to preserve what remained. He constructed
colossal tuning fork towers to stabilize survivingEarths, which were at the centers of each universe.

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tasked his champions with defending these devices.Harbinger was sent to retrieve the infant Alexander
Luther Jr, the last survivor of Earth-3, whoseparents sent him in a rocket ship to Earth-1
during an antimatter wave, turning him intoa being made of both positive and antimatter.
Mobius, however, subtly corrupted Harbingerby possessing her multiversal counterparts

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with shadow demons, and successfully trickedher into killing the monitor. Marnovu foresaw
her betrayal, however, and used his death topower the Tuning Forks, merging Earth-1 and
Earth-2 into a netherverse shielded from Mobius.The sacrifice allowed the defenders of the
multiverse to regroup and ultimately defeatMobius, the Anti-Monitor, collapsing the infinite

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multiverse into a single, unified reality knownas New Earth. Although New Earth streamlined
the multiverse into a cohesive timeline, tracesand memories of their original multiverse lingered.
The re-emergence of the multiverse began duringanother crisis event caused by Alexander Luther
Jr., who believed the New Earth was flawed.Using the remains of Mobius's armor, he constructed

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a tuning fork tower to split New Earth intomultiple universes in an effort to find a perfect
one. His actions, though ultimately thwarted,destabilized reality. and led to the creation
of a finite multiverse of 52 parallel Earths.This restructured multiverse gave rise to a
new race of monitors, fragments of Marnovu'sessence, each overseeing a specific Earth.

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Unlike Marnovu, these monitors were not unifiedby a singular purpose. They developed indiviDuel
personalities and often clashed over their roles.Bob, the monitor of New Earth, championed empathy
and collaboration between the universes. Incontrast, Solomon, the monitor of Earth-8,
pursued the violent eradication of multiversalanomalies, or people who existed outside their

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intended universe. Solomon's genocidal stancedivided the monitors and led to internal strife
within their order and without, creating enemiesagainst their kind that included the being
known as Monarch, who forced superpowered beingsacross the multiverse into gladiatorial matches
to determine the strongest among them. for anarmy that he was building to eliminate the

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Monitors. The conflict escalated when Solomonattempted to absorb Bob's essence to augment
his own power, resulting in Bob's death anddestabilizing the Monitor Collective. Amid
this chaos, Monarch's actions led to the destructionof Earth 51, whose Monitor, Nyx Uotan, was
banished to Prime Earth for failing to protecthis universe. Stripped of his powers, He lived

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as a human until regaining his memories andbecoming a superhero known as Super Judge.
During the supposed final crisis event, Nixbecame one of the last surviving Monitors,
assembling an army of supermen from across themultiverse to defeat Mandrake, a corrupted
Monitor. Despite their victory, Nix lamentedthe Monitor's failures and allowed their civilization

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to fade. In post-Flashpoint continuity, unbeknownstto the resurrected Marnovu and Mobius, Their
brother Alpheus had been killed by his pet dragonBarbados, who had been responsible for devouring
newly forged universes too dark to exist. Barbados'abandonment of his duty led to the formation

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of the Dark Multiverse, champions from whichwere led by Barbados in a war against the Multiverse.
Though Barbados and his army were defeated,the war eventually resulted in a crack within
the source wall that freed Perpetua. soughtto reclaim her multiverse. Marnovu, Mobius,
and a newly reformed Alphius merged to formthe Ultra Monitor in a desperate bid to stop

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their mother, but Perpetua regained her strength,turning Mobius against her brothers by granting
him the anti-life equation that allowed himto control his brothers. With help from the
Green Lantern John Stewart, who you can learnmore about in our Green Lantern vs Quasar duel
episode, Marnovu and Alphius were freed fromtheir and Alpheus sacrificed his life to protect

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Marnovu and his allies from a universe destroyingattack from Perpetua. To help stop his mother,
Marnovu hid shards of Element X, the metal usedto forge universes, for the forces opposing
his mother to find when Perpetua and the BatmanWho Laughs took over reality. You can learn
more about the Batman Who Laughs and his duelagainst Cosmic Ghost Rider. This helped Wonder

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Woman defeat both, after which the hands ofthe Multiverse recreated. DC's multiverse.
And that's his history so far. Power-wise, theMonitor Marnovu wields immense cosmic power,
including multiversal cosmic awareness thatenables him to perceive and understand the
infinite dimensions and realities that comprisethe multiverse. His abilities include matter

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and energy manipulation, teleportation acrossuniverses, and control over space-time itself.
He wields the dimensional superstructure ofthe universe. one of seven forces of the universe,
granting him partial control over the fabricof reality, though his power is diminished
outside of the sixth dimension. While he's immortal,he can be destroyed, though he'll reform within

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the sixth dimension. His size can shift fromhuman scale to planetary proportions, and his
precognition provides glimpses into possiblefutures. His one weakness is that his strength
and power is intrinsically tied to the stabilityof his domain. should the universes of the
multiverse be destroyed, his power would diminish.Well, it's too bad for him that Uatu is gonna

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basically destroy all of his multiverse andthen just leave him powerless. That doesn't
sound like something Uatu would do. You knowwhat Uatu would do? He would fucking fall asleep
while listening to that story because it wasso long and so convoluted and boring. No, yeah,
that was way better than Uatu's history, I'msorry. Way better. Way more epic. What is going

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to pull a harbinger and kill monitors ass justlike she did? You forget that the monitor gave
Harbinger a shit ton of power. So now, bro,what an idiot. What an idiot. Well, monitor
is going to pull a Nick Fury and just shootthe watcher with a fucking bullet. Hey, that
was before he was the one and only watcher.So, OK, well, Harbinger killed monitor before

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he was the ultra monitor. I don't know.
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discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com,where we settle the debate and settle the score.
Now that we got the histories and abilitiesout of the way, let's speculate on how one
of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winneris determined by simulations, not our speculation,

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but it's fun to imagine how this fight couldplay out. AJ and IK, what are the rules of
our speculation? Well I should say there areno rules, other than the characters have no
prior knowledge of the other going into thefight. All they are aware of starting out is
that the other character is a threat that needsto be eliminated. For the speculation... The
contestants will begin approximately 50 metersapart in a nondescript environment that will

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have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmentalstatistics are considered in my simulations.
The contestants must earn victory on their ownmerit. Alright then, let's get into it. Monitor
and Watcher meet on the battlefield. Who goesfirst? Well, since neither of these cosmic
level beings are really known for fighting,we thought we would take a different route

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with this duel by challenging each other onwhat they're known for. observing. To that
end, the Monitor and the Watcher have come tothe match prepared with certain events from
DC and Marvel's history in order to test theiropponents' observational skills. It's a contest
of watching, essentially, or since this is apodcast, listening. Yeah, how good is the other

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character at perceiving the events of theirrespective universes? In a way, we could all
be considered Watchers and Monitors of Marveland DC as consumers. of Marvel and DC films
and shows, and that we observe what happenswithout taking action and chronicling their
events in our fanboy minds. Right, so Jonathan,as the DC monitor, will be presented with four

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audio events from DC's past, same for me asthe Marvel Watcher. The task will be to identify
the four events given to us, and the one whocorrectly identifies more events will be the
winner of this speculation. And to add a twistto the challenge, Each event presented to the
opposing character will have some sort of commonality,be it a thematic throughline or some other

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connection. Both the Watchers and the Monitor'sultimate test will be to deduce this commonality
in order to win. So let's get started. The Watcherpresents the Monitor with an event from the
DC Universe. Okay DC Monitor, here is your firstevent. This city is mine.

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Okay, I have no idea whose voice that is. Thecity is mine. So a city is involved. It sounds
after that there's like a dragon like screamingand it's just like attacking all these people
and destroying some kind of city, I'm assuming.But at the very end, there's like this robotic
cybernetic kind of sound. It can't be cyborg.This is not Justice League. There's some kind

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of giant monster there. Shazam Fury of the Godshad a dragon. Aquaman had a giant carathen.
The Suicide Squad had Starro. Oh, is that thethinker who's saying the city is mine? You
can't just name every movie and every monster.Okay. I think I know what scene this is. Okay
this is the climactic battle of the SuicideSquad when Starro is confronting the Suicide

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Squad telling them that the city belongs tohim and all of his minions that have Starro's
on their faces begin to attack the Suicide Squad.That is correct. Yes. Oh, good gosh. This is
the Star of the Conqueror scene from the SuicideSquad when Star of the Conqueror attacks Corto
Maltese. And the computerized sounds that youhear at the end are Amanda Waller's crew waking

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up to find out that there's a freaking Kaijuthat's been awakened. Gotcha. Okay. So one
point for me, apparently. Yes, one point foryou. Okay. So now it's the monitor's turn to
present the Watcher with an event from Marvel.

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This one is Easy Money. I hear a man sayingno, and I hear cityscape sounds, and also a
very distinctive scoring, music-wise. The eventin question is when Otto Octavius realizes
that the metal arms have been grafted to hisbody, and he escapes out into the city and
attacks a taxi cab before fleeing into the night.Right, what movie is that from? That is from

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Spider-Man 2. Great job, you had a way easiertime with that one than I did. Well, I'm just
a better observer, I guess. But now it is theDC Monitor's turn again. Here is your next
event.
Come on, start moving now people, let's go!The boss wants us out of the building, so let's

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make it happen! Jack!

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Okay, I'm hearing a car chase, it sounds like.And there's a lot of destruction and structures
crumbling. Two guys are talking. It definitelysounds like Ben Affleck. Sounds like there's
a lot of chaos and destruction going on andsomeone's driving. This has to be the opening
to Batman v Superman when Bruce Wayne is racingto Wayne Enterprises during Zod's attack on

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Metropolis. That is correct. from Batman vsSuperman, a point to the DC monitor for that
one. Two for two. Gotta say, Hans Zimmer's scoreduring that film, still really iconic. Moving
on to the second challenge for Uwatu. Here isthe second event for Marvel.

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Are you even pulling? Are you on my team? Justrepresent, pull! Alright, let's go! NNNN
Good Steve, no pressure.
Come on, Cap. Okay, I'm hearing a lot of voices.I'm hearing people struggling. I'm hearing

(42:11):
some whimsical music. This is another prettyeasy one, I think. This is the scene when the
Avengers try to lift Thor's hammer from AvengersAge of Ultron. That is correct. One more point
for the Watcher. Congrats. All right, it isnow the DC Monitor's turn for the next event.

(42:59):
Okay, that's definitely from a Superman movie.I think it's from Superman the movie. Is this
the destruction of Krypton? That is correct.Yes, this is the destruction of Krypton from
Superman the movie. Yeah, this is the scenewhere we see all of the Kryptonians sort of
falling into the fiery chasms that are now what'sleft of Krypton. And after the planet explodes,
we see the baby hell else ship zip by the camera.Correct. Yeah, good job. All right. The DC

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monitor gets another point. You're three forthree so far. I freaking got scared at the
beginning of the clip, I'm not gonna lie. Alright,the monitor is now presenting Uatu with Marvel's
third event to recall. I shall miss you, myfriend.

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What the fuck is that from? Okay, I hear whatsounds like Professor X saying, I will miss
you, my friend. And then a lot of people saying,I'm sorry. Ooh, this is a tough one. I don't
immediately recognize what this is from. MaybeI'm not correct and that's not Professor X.
Oh, I know what this is from. Okay, the I'msorry suddenly makes sense now. This is from

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Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madnesswhen Black Bolt erases Doctor Strange from
that timeline. Right, a multiversal Doctor Strangefrom the multiverse, where Professor X and
Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic are all part ofthis council. That was a great challenge right
there. I'm ashamed to say that I didn't immediatelyget it because I'm sure some of our listeners

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will, but I'm glad I pulled it off in the end.That's three points for me so far. For you,
the DC Monitor, I present you with your finalchallenge. The only way to save the world from
ever happening. Take this.

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Okay, I'm pretty sure this has to be from theflash just because someone's telling another
guy to run and there's like this electricalsound. I can't pinpoint the scene though. I'm
not sure who's telling him to run, I think.I want to know what the guy gives the runner
when he says take this. What is that? Obviously,this has to be from a film where something

(45:59):
just catastrophic happens and time has to berewritten. That's why my guess is it's the
Flash, but it could also be Zack Snyder's JusticeLeague. Why can't I recognize that voice? That
frigging kills me. I feel like this is froman animated film. Is this from Justice League
Dark Apocalypse War? It is not. No. Okay, wellthen it's gotta be from the Tomorrowverse.

(46:20):
This has gotta be from Justice League Crisison Infinite Earths, part one. I'm guessing.
Fuck you.
I feel like I could see the scene in my head.I just have no idea what movie it's from or
who's on the screen. It's just shadows really.The voice belongs to Thomas Wayne and it is

(46:43):
from the end of Justice League the FlashpointParadox. When he says take this he's handing
Barry Allen a note to his son Bruce Wayne. Youknow I should have known this I feel really
stupid because of course that's what it's from.For that particular round I award you no points
and may God have mercy on your soul Jonathan.I need that. Well, that's three out of four

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for the monitor. Let's see how Marvel's TheWatcher fares with this fourth and final event
that I'm hoping is the most difficult.

(47:45):
Okay, I hear animals attacking each other. Ihear a dog getting slapped. And I think there's
really only one movie that happens in, and thatwould be the Hulk dog fight from the 2003 movie
Hulk. You think you're better than me? I thinkI'm a better Watcher than you, yeah. Okay.

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Well, maybe not. Let's see if you pass the ultimatetest, Mr. Watcher. What do all four of these
events have in common? Well, why don't you tellme first? There was the climactic battle against
Starro at the end of the Suicide Squad. Therewas the opening to Batman v Superman with Bruce
Wayne driving to Wayne Enterprises during Zod'sattack. So I guess cities are being destroyed.

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There was Superman the movie with the destructionof Krypton. And then I guess there was the
destruction of an entire universe in the FlashpointParadox. So the theme is destruction? That
is correct. Yeah. cosmic level events of massdestruction. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay, cool. So I
guess I win ultimately. Even though I got onewrong. For the Watcher, the events that were

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presented to him were Doctor Octopus's awakening,you have the Avengers trying to lift Thor's
hammer, you have Black Bolt destroying DoctorStrange, and you have Hulk fighting against
the Hulk dogs. This commonality is much harderfor me to determine. I cannot think of a single

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damn thing, especially with the Avengers partykind of throwing a wrench in there. I know
that two of the movies were directed by SamRaimi. The other one was directed by Joss Whedon.
The other one was directed by Ang Lee. One ofthe movies came out in 2003. One of the movies
came out in 2004. And then you have 2015 withAge of Ultron and Dr. Strange came out in 2022,

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I think. Are you Googling this shit? No. Getoff Google. I'm not fucking Googling. That's
all in my brain, motherfucker. I cannot thinkof the commonality between those. Is there,
I honestly have no idea. I have no idea. Soyou admit that you're inferior as a watcher.
No, I mean, I got all the events correct, butwhat's the commonality between them? Are you

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ready for the answer? I am ready for the answer.All films were scored by Danny Elfman. Ah,
shit! Of course they were. Yeah, you're totallyright. Oh, that was a good one. That was really
good. Yeah, yeah, the Spider-Man Sam Raimi franchise,the 2003 Hulk movie, Multiverse of Madness,
and Avengers Age of Ultron were all scored byDanny Elfman. Although for Age of Ultron, he

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was one of many composers on that film. Butthat, though, that was a sneaky ass commonality
between all the events. Well, I guess sincethe Watcher failed the true test of this whole
matchup, the Monitor wins. And yet it was thewatcher who was able to correctly identify
every event that happened. So really, the watcherwins. That doesn't matter. You have to look

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deeper at things. Yeah, just like how apparentlyyou didn't look deep enough at the flashpoint
paradox to remember what the fuck happened inthat movie, obviously. You're the one who cheated
by pulling out a direct-to-video animated film.Who does that? Uh, DC does that. A lot. They
put out a lot of- direct to video animated films.Blame them. Yeah, but I don't remember any

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of them. You don't remember the Flashpoint Paradox,which is one of DC's best animated projects?
That's fair, that was really good. It honestlyjust makes you sound dumb. Like you explained
everything about the plot of that movie withoutgetting the movie. I mean, the monitor got
everything but the title of the project. Somaybe the watchers dumb. Maybe the watchers

(51:35):
tired of your shit and just shoves the monitor.Oh, oh, look, who's suddenly getting all confrontational.
Mr. I swear not to intervene, you know, monitor.He's going to respond by shoving the watcher
back, but with energy beams from his hands thatjust like yeet the watcher into outer space.
I mean, the watcher has interfered before, likewhen necessary. Right. And he's all too happy.

(51:58):
right now to interfere with the monitor's faceby rearranging it. So yeah, the watcher gets
blasted back into the cosmos, but suddenly hedisappears in a flash of light and he reappears
behind the monitor. But now he's the size ofa whole planet. And he's going to shoot down
energy beams from his eyes that just disintegratethe monitor. Yeah, I mean the monitor saw this

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coming due to his precognition and cosmic awareness.So the monitor blocks the eye blast. by beaming
in this massive structure, this tuning forktower between him and the Watcher's lasers
before they reach him. And this tower absorbsthose lasers along with all of the Watcher's
energy just draining him so now he's just thisgiant floating husk in space. Except that when

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the Watcher attacked Monitor, he also telepathicallyread his mind and learned all of his secrets.
including his knowledge about this power drainingantenna. Okay, so as the Watcher's power is
being drained, he has a contingency plan. Youknow, he has this massive comet from the far
reaches of the solar system fly in and plowright through that antenna, like a bullet through

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a gas tank, just unleashing the antenna's energyin like this sun-sized explosion, and the monitor
dies in the blast. So the match is over. No,except that the comet actually just passes
right through the antenna because once theyhad enough of the watcher's energy, the antenna
sent out this frequency throughout the universethat shifted it into the sixth dimension where

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the watcher is like nothing but an infant andthe monitor can control reality. So the monitor,
you know, he's aboard his ship and he simplypresses a button on his console and the watcher
ceases to exist. Match over. Okay, so the monitoris a cold-hearted bastard who would erase an
infant? Wow. And the Watcher looks like a bigbaby! I mean, the Watcher, I'm pretty sure,

(53:58):
is powerful enough to like, you know, thrivein the sixth dimension. So like, right as the
monitor is about to press that eraser button,all of a sudden time freezes, okay? And the
Watcher is going to peer into a what-if universethat's called, what if the monitor was a weak,
punk-ass loser? And all of a sudden the fightgets transported there. where the Watcher just

(54:20):
kills the monitor with a backhand slap. Youknow, ending the match. Sixth dimensional time
freezing? That is horseshit. Why is that horseshit?Because it's the sixth dimension, like time
does not even exist. I'm pretty sure it does.Why are you so confident that the Watcher can
even comprehend anything he's seeing in thesixth dimension? Because he's the fucking Watcher.

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That's why he's pretty damn powerful. Again,horseshit. I say the monitor is a more advanced
being than the watcher. So there's no way thewatcher is going to be able to peer into any
other kind of reality from the sixth dimension.He's just going to get erased. Oh, we're just
going to take your word for it that he's a moreadvanced being than the watcher? Sure. Yeah.
Well, let's find out by taking this fight tothe stats. Okay. We're going to go ahead and

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plug in their stats, run the simulations andsee which one wins.
Processing results simulations complete. Allright, these guys are super powerful. Definitely
reflected in the stats because all their statswere almost maxed out. There were a few discrepancies.

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We did say that the watcher was more evasivebecause he's a little bit more elusive and
behind the scenes than the monitor. And youknow, the watcher often goes invisible. The
monitor is a little bit more concrete. Right.The monitor though, we said has a lot more
toys at his disposal. He's always carrying aroundsix dimensional technology that he uses, whereas

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the Watcher, he has his Citadel and some ofthe items stored there help him out, but largely
he acts through his own power. We also saidthat the monitor had a greater perception than
the Watcher because his cosmic awareness extendsacross universes and even out into the greater
omniverse. Yeah, yeah, we said that the monitoressentially observes more than the Watcher.

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The Watcher largely relegated to Earth and itssolar system, traditionally speaking. But for
everything else, including intelligence, versatility,strength, durability, they were all even. The
strangest stat had to be fighting skill. Wehad no idea what the heck to do for that one,
but we figured whatever we gave them, they wouldbe basically even. Yeah, they've both been

(56:35):
known to throw down very, very rarely. So yeah,fighting skill was a hard one to tabulate for
them. With all that said and done though, Jonathan,who do you think is going to win this match?
I think it's going to be the monitor and ourInstagram poll takers agree with me. So far.
Yeah, they are giving the monitor a 54% edgeover the watcher. Last time I checked the watcher

(56:57):
was ahead in that poll. What the hell? It iskind of surprising to me that the watcher is
not ahead right now considering we just gotoff of what if and he was a major player in
that. Well, I mean, I guess the monitor wasin the recent Justice League Crisis on Infinite
Earth's trilogy of films, as well as the Arrowvs Crisis on Infinite Earth's crossover event.
That's true. Anyway, what does Instagram know?Let's get the final results of this match.

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AJ9K, the results please. Hey Yuasa. Okay, thewinner between the monitor and the watcher
is... The monitor. Hell yeah! It was very close.Out of 1000 simulated matches, the monitor
won 554 battles, whereas the watcher only won446. So it's 55.4% over 44.6%. I'm not surprised.

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I knew the watcher was powerful, but I alsofigured the monitor just operated at a bigger
scale. And the stats sort of reflected that.Well, I mean, if the monitor is so perceptive,
how come he didn't know... what the fuckingend of the Flashpoint paradox was. No, no,
you're comparing Mar Novo to Johnny DC. That'snot a fair comparison. Yeah, I guess you're

(58:10):
right. Johnny DC is not that great. Yeah, neitheris Marvelous Joe because he couldn't find the
connection between all of the different fourmovies. I may be observant, but I'm not smart.
That's fair. Well, that does it for this duel,guys. AJ 9K, help close this out. Thanks for
listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show'swebsite at dynamicduel.com and follow us on

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Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website.Don't forget to listen to the other shows in
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In our next episode, we will be doing a reviewof the first season of Creature Commandos,
which is also kicking off James Gunn's DCU.You do not want to miss it and our thoughts
on it. But that is it for this episode, we wantto give a big thanks to our executive producers
Ken Johnson, Jon Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn,Dustin Balcom, Mickey Mathangian, Brendan Estergard,

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Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wasilowski,AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam
Spies, Andrew Schunk, Dean Maleski. Devin Davis,Joseph Kirsting, Josh Leiner, Mike Williams,
and Oscar Galvez for helping make this podcastpossible. We'll talk to you guys next week.
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