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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. I'm MarvelousJoe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And if I
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sound like ass, it's because I am sick. YeahJonathan is sick, he's always sick, no one's
surprised. That's not fair, I feel like I haven'tbeen sick in a long time. You better get un-sick
because this is a big episode, in this matchupwe're going to find out who would win in a fight
between the teams of the Wildcats and theInhumans. Now I don't know much about the
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Wildcats, but I know much about the Inhumans. Andthey are one of the coolest, I think most
overlooked teams in all of Marvel and stupidWildcats are going down. Yeah, to be fair, I don't
know much about the Wildcats either. This is thefirst time we're doing a dual episode in the
history of our 10 years where I have really noreference for these characters because when I
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first started reading comics, the Wildcats teamwere published by Image until the whole Wildstorm
universe was acquired by DC Comics. Are they Imageor Wildstorm? Well, Wildstorm was an imprint of
Image. So they started out in Image, they went toWildstorm, and now they went to DC. No, they've
always been Wildstorm. I don't know what the hellyou're talking about then. Are they DC or not? This
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is a DC vs Marvel podcast, clear this up for me. Yes,they are now DC. Okay, thank you, that's all I
needed to know. But also, I don't fucking carebecause I may as well have not even heard of this
team when they get their asses kicked later on thisepisode. Before we get into that matchup, we're
going to break down the latest comic book movienews that came out this past week, which there was
just one news item and that is it has been confirmedby The Hollywood Reporter that Deadpool is going
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to be in Avengers Doomsday. As always, we list oursegment times in our episode description, so feel
free to check out the show notes if you want to skipahead to a particular topic. Guys, our
artificially intelligent dual simulator, AJ9K,has a quick message for our listeners, so listen
up. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone whosupports the podcast. Be sure to tune in to the
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other shows and the Dynamite Podcast Network thisweek, including the console combat podcast,
where hosts John and Dean simulate battlesbetween popular video game characters. In
yesterday's episode, the two determined whowould win between Colonel Volgen from Metal Gear
and Kessler from Infamous. Over on the MaxDestruction podcast, hosts Scotty and Gilly pay
your favorite action heroes from film andtelevision against each other. They're taking a
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hiatus during the month of August, so make sure toget caught up on their latest episodes. And on the
Send Joe World podcast, host Zachary Hepburnspeculates on fights between fan favorite anime
and manga characters. In his next episode, Zach'sgoing to reveal who would win between a kudosai
from Demon King Daimo and Amos Voldigoad fromMisfit of Demon Academy. Visit
dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our shownotes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamite
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Podcast Network. But with that out of the way,quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award that
Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, theDynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award that we
post on Instagram for the person that we feel gavethe best answer to our question of the week. Last
week, we asked you guys, what is your favoritesupporting cast in a Marvel or DC ensemble
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television series and why? And we got two answersfor this because it was a horrible question. I
blame Jonathan. He's the one that came up with thequestion. What kind of question was this? Nobody
wants to answer about supporting cast insuperhero television series. I mean, I do. Well,
you and two others, apparently. Let's go to and getinto our honorable mention before revealing our
no prize winner. Our honorable mention goes toLorenzo Valdez, who said, my favorite supporting
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cast from a Marvel or DC show is the cast ofSmallville. Now, that cast changed a lot over the
course of 10 seasons. But if we're going tospecify, I would say the season two and season
three cast. Now, I'd give this answer just becauseof Lana, but also, of course, we've got Lex, Pete,
Chloe, Lionel, Martha and Jonathan. Clona,forever and always. Bye bye. Now, Jonathan, I got
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to ask you, Kristen Crook, as Lana Link, overratedor underrated? I don't know. Maybe somewhere in
the middle. I would say that Erica Durant's aslowest lane was better. And I think it's kind of
evident how she became the fan favorite as theseries progressed. But I will agree that the
ensemble that Smallville had as a seriesthroughout its entire run was really good. And
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particularly the early seasons, I was absolutelyhooked on. Like I went through high school the same
time that Clark did during that series. And afterhigh school, I kind of fell off with the show. But
I'll always have fond memories of Smallville andall of its cast members. I remember liking Chloe
more than Lana had a little bit of crush on Chloewhen I was a teen. And hopefully the actress Alison
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Mack is out of prison now. That whole cult thing wasreally awkward. I think for all Smallville fans.
But a great answer, Lorenzo. The winner of thisweek's snow prize, though, is Alex Albro. Who
said? Hey, guys, I think the best supporting castis definitely Ms. Marvel. You have Nakia, who
walks through life with Kamala and just has a lot ofshared experience and Bruno is kind of the
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respectful shy love interest and supports themculturally in all that they're doing and in their
difficulties in school and you feel real stakeswhen the convenience store blows up and you're
worried about them. Not to mention her family, herparents and her brother. You know, they add so much
to the story and the culture and you get excited tosee them and other things like Daredevil just as
much as you do the main character. So yeah, it's Ms.Marvel for me. Thanks, guys. Yeah, I agree. I
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didn't really consider my own personal answer tothis question when we first asked it. But I have to
say that this would probably be my answer, too. Inthe comic books, Kamala Khan's family is a huge
part of her story. And the show was no exception.There was such a good cast of characters, they
showed up again in the Marvel's movie. And her dad,Yusuf also appeared in the Daredevil born again
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television series. There's a reason they keeppopping up. It's because they're such rich
characters. Honestly, her family kind of madethat show. So it made me really like the show
because I'm not sure I would have otherwise. Thefamily was fun, but it also felt real. Right.
Right. They were funny. They provided greatcultural insight. They really gave Kamala a hard
time as she's struggling to be this superhero.Good times. If you guys haven't seen the Ms. Marvel
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television show, I definitely recommend it. Andthen go listen to our review of it. But congrats to
Alex for winning this week's No Prize. If you, thelistener, want a shot at winning Giro No Prize,
stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll beasking another question of the week. And now that
that's done, on to the news. All right, this pastweek, it was revealed by the Hollywood reporter.
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They have like a sub newsbeat that focuses onsuperhero stuff called heat vision. They
produced a newsletter that confirmed thatDeadpool will be appearing in Avengers Doomsday,
and this was partially supported by theirsources, as well as Ryan Reynolds own Instagram
post, where he posted an image of the Avengers logothat has a red anarchy symbol pasted over it. So
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this is exciting news. However, the sources don'texpect that Deadpool will be joining the
Avengers, more like he'll have a minor role withinthat film, which makes you wonder, like Ryan
Reynolds is a big name. Why wasn't he included inthe initial cast reveal? With the chairs? That's a
great question. It's most likely because thecharacter is a late addition to the script. Does
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that bother you? A little bit. I like these scriptsto be finalized before they even begin
production. Otherwise, I think they kind of filmthemselves into a hole as it were. And then you have
to deal with reshoots and all that stuff. But theMarvel machine is always chugging along. And
sometimes they have to make quick decisions on thefly. I think adding Ryan Reynolds is kind of like an
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insurance policy, ensuring that people who arefans of the Deadpool franchise will come see
Avengers Doomsday because Deadpool andWolverine earned a billion dollars at the box
office. That franchise makes money. And in aclimate where movies are making that much money
anymore in theaters, you want to ensure thatpeople are getting their butts in those seats. I'm
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really excited by this news. I think Ryan Reynoldsis a marketing genius and him combined with the
return of Robert Jenny, Jr., whose creativeinstincts, I think, are largely responsible for
the success of the MCU. Those two combined, Ithink, will do really well for Avengers Doomsday.
Yeah, hopefully. I don't know how involved RyanReynolds will be in the marketing of Avengers
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Doomsday. I think it will largely depend on thesize of his role within the film. But that brings us
to our question of the week. What do you thinkDeadpool's involvement in the Avengers Doomsday
story will be? Do you think he'll have his own arc?Do you think it'll be just a glorified cameo? Will
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he show up and say, this isn't where I parked my carand then exit frame? Let us know how you think it'll
go down. Record your answer at dynamicdool.com byclicking on the red microphone button in the
bottom right hand corner of the screen, which willprompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message
could be up to 30 seconds long and don't forget toleave your name in case we include you on the
podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and awardthat person a dynamic dual no prize that will post
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to Instagram. Be sure to answer before August30th. But that does it for all the news for this
episode. So let's go ahead and move into our mainevent where we find out who would win in a fight
between the teams of the Wildcats and theInhumans. All right. Wildcats versus Inhumans.
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Why did we put these teams against each other?Well, because our executive producers wanted us
to. And also it's not a bad option. These are bothreally powerful teams. Yeah, plus both teams have
ancient ties to an alien race that has been tryingto influence Earth. So there's some thematic
connections here as well. Right. The Inhumanshave ties to the Kree aliens who experimented on
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ancient man in an attempt to turn them intowarriors for their interstellar conquests. The
Inhumans are descendants of those experiments.And a majority of the Wildcats characters are
actually descendants or hybrids of an ancientrace known as the caribam. Caribam from the planet
Kara. Sounds like a pretty interesting story. Doyou know who created the Wildcats? Was it Jim Lee?
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Yeah, I believe it was Jim Lee. He was one of thefounders of Image and was like the main guy who
oversaw Wildstorm. That's how he got the job as thepublisher of DC Comics. Yeah, I like the look of the
team. Jim Lee is a great artist. I like the power setvariety. Both of these teams have a good mix of
different kinds of powers. And I think ourspeculation is going to be a lot of fun just seeing
how these different abilities clash against eachother. Yeah, the Wildcats definitely suffer from
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sort of that 90s extremism where they're sort oflike overly violent and all trying to be like
Wolverine. But they are pretty damn cool. Theywere really popular in the 90s, so much so that they
even had their own animated series, which will bemuch more finely remembered than the Inhumans
show. You're not wrong. Where did the Wildcatseries air? CBS. Interesting. Was it a kids
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cartoon? Yeah, it was like a kids Saturday morningshow. I had to know how that got past us as 90s kids.
Yeah, we didn't really watch it. We were more Foxand WB kids. Yeah, yeah. And sometimes
Nickelodeon too. One of these days, the Inhumanswill get a television series worthy of their
stories in the comics. But to explain themethodology behind our duels, let's go to our
sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis, 9000,H89K, tell our listeners how you go about
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determining a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, ofcourse, sir. The way I determine a winner between
the two teams is by running 1000 Monte Carlosimulations between every character on each team
using their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulationis a probabilistic model used to determine
outcomes through random sampling. In this case, Irandomize the statistics along a normal
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distribution as a way to simulate the manyvariables that can occur during battle. The stat
parameters are based on the official Marvel powergrid from which the DC characters statistics are
extrapolated. Additional stat categories areincluded such as range, damage potential,
versatility and perception in order to create amore detailed and accurate simulation. The
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results of the 49,000 simulations provide apercentage of wins for each character on both
teams. The team with the higher average win rate isdeclared the victor as they have a higher
probability to win any given battle. In anequitable pairing, neither team should win 100%
of the matches. The comic book stories have shownthat there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman. So the confidence rate of my methodfalls in line with the precedents that have been
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established in the source material. Mymathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the soleconsideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.Before we run the simulations, though, we like to
break down each team's histories and rostersbefore improvising a scenario on how we imagine
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one of the thousands of simulations would play outbeat for beat. And it's my turn to go first on the DC
end. So let me tell you all about the Wildcats. No,long ago, Earth became a hidden battleground in a
war between two alien races, the immortal noblecaribam and the parasitic malevolent
daemonites. After a disastrous space battlebrought both species crashing to Earth, many
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caribam assimilated into human society while thedaemonites sought to dominate it from the
shadows. Millenia later, a caribam noble namedJacob Marlowe, known in covert circles as Lord
Amp, recognized the reemerging daemonite threatresurfacing and assembled a team of enhanced
individuals to oppose it. He named the group theWild Covert Action Teams, or Wildcats. The
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original lineup included Spartan, a synthzoidwith enhanced strength and tactical prowess,
Zealot, a deadly coat of warrior and centuries oldcaribam, Grifter, a gunslinger and former Black
Ops agent with psionic potential, Maul, a caribamhuman hybrid titanthrope who could increase his
size at the cost of his intellect, warblade, amartial artist whose hands could morph into
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blades, and voodoo, a young woman able to perceiveand exercise daemonites from human hosts. The
team was empowered and guided by Void, amysterious woman who could teleport in sense
dimensional rifts. Operating out of anondescript skyscraper in New York, the Wildcats
conducted covert missions to stop daemoniteinfiltration and protect humanity from the
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larger caribam-daemonite conflict. Earlyenemies included the daemonite warlord,
Hellspawn, who had aligned with corrupt elementsof the US government and his lieutenant,
Hightower. As the team exposed deeperconspiracies, they stumbled upon an ancient
caribam starship buried on earth. Whileinvestigating it, the ship launched them into
space and delivered them to Kara, the caribamhomeworld. On Kara, the team discovered that the
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supposed utopia was built upon the enslavement ofthe daemonites and a rigid caste system that
persecuted hybrids. Disillusioned, voodoo leftthe team. Marlowe, likewise shaken, stepped away
from leadership. Spartan, grifter, maul, andzealot returned to earth, where a new Wildcats
unit had been assembled in their absence under theHalo Corporation. Marlowe's front company had
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quartered in a secure Manhattan Tower. This newteam, led by Savant and the caribam warlord, Mr.
Majestic, whose powers rivaled those ofSuperman, included Max Cash, Grifter's brother,
codenamed Condition Red, the psychic cyborg LadyTron, and the enigmatic tactician, Tao. With
Halo's resources, the Wildcats shifted totargeting organized crime and rogue metahumans,
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using a sophisticated virtual prison system tocontain their enemies. Tao's manipulations,
however, instigated a massive gang war. Theoriginal Wildcats returned to assist, but Tao's
betrayal culminated in an explosion at Clark'sBar, a neutral hub for superhumans, also known as
post-human. The event fractured alliances anddestabilized the post-human community. Tao
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faked his death by substituting a shapeshifter inhis place, escaping capture. Meanwhile, Marlowe
underwent a transformation, merging Void'sessence into his synthesoid body, renaming
himself Jack Marlowe. He took control of Halo andshifted its mission from defense to societal
reform. From Halo's high tech headquarters in LosAngeles, the new Wildcats released
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groundbreaking technologies likeself-recharging batteries, clean vehicles, and
anti-surveillance devices that destabilizedglobal power structures. Marlowe employed
Grifter as his personal enforcer, alongsideagent Wax of the National Park Service and a
reprogrammed Lady Tron. Halo accountant EdwinDolby joined the field team as Grifter's trainee,
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learning combat and espionage in the field. TheWildcats confronted cyber assassins, corrupt
government agencies, and rogue Cota operative.Zellet, thought dead, was rescued by Grifter's
strike team from a hidden mountain monastery.Internal conflicts simmered when war, one of
Marlowe's advisors, attempted to ease Halo'sextra-dimensional energy for himself. Marlowe
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stopped him, ensuring Halo's continueddominance as a force for change. During the World
Storm era, after DC acquired the Wildstormcharacters, the Wildcats regrouped to face a
reemergent Daemonite threat as Hellspawn'sallied with Kaizen Gamora. Marlowe gathered
Zellet, Grifter, Voodoo, Savant, Lady Tron, andMr. Majestic, and their headquarters became a
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Halo-powered orbital station. Warbladeoperated undercover, and Marlowe remained in
retirement. Shortly after a global catastrophestruck, an event known as World's End. The moon
shattered, Earth's magnetic fielddestabilized, and civilization collapsed. The
Halo building in Los Angeles survived, however,as its batteries kept lights and hope alive. With
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Void's power gone from Spartan, now calledHadrian, the team focused on humanitarian
relief. They rescued survivors, fended offscavengers, and turned Halo into a safe haven.
Majestic established a breakaway caribbeanenclave in Hawaii and began raiding Halo's
supplies. Tensions escalated, but eased after anuneasy truce allowed survivors to migrate to
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Majestic's colony. New tensions emerged when theWildcats learned Majestic was harvesting DNA
from cactives, including Savant, to create agenetically superior caribbean race. Nemesis, a
sword-wielding caribbean warrior, sacrificedherself to destroy the facility. At the same time,
Lord Defile, a daemonite warlord, broke the peaceand led in an assault on Halo. The team opened a
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gateway to other space, sacrificing theirbuilding and themselves to eliminate both Defile
and Majestic's threat. Surviving membersregrouped with John Lynch of Team 7 to oppose Tau
once more. Now wielding cosmic power stolen fromVoid and Providence, Tau sought Godhood. Their
efforts failed until a final confrontation on aremote island where Max Faraday, holder of the
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Creation equation, had gone into hiding. Taureached the equation and altered reality, but
Lady Tron had memorized the formula and helped theheroes regain control. In a surreal
psychological realm, Grifter confronted Tau'sinner Void, his inability to feel connection or
love. The confrontation weakened Tau, who wasthen shot and killed by Grifter. Faraday
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entrusted the heroes with new uniforms and taskedthem with rebuilding the world. In DC's
post-Flashpoint continuity, the Wildcats werereimagined as a secret strike force operated by
the Halo Corporation to battle globalcorruption. The team's new focus was to dismantle
clandestine organizations threatening Earthstability, particularly the mysterious
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Leviathan. Grifter, masquerading as his deadbrother Max Cash, infiltrated Leviathan to steal
classified intelligence. Operating once againfrom the Halo building in Los Angeles, the team
composed of Grifter, Zella, Tavudu, and a newlyupgraded Lady Tron, targeted Leviathan's assets
and clashed with other global players, includingthe Corps of Owls and secret divisions within
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Wayne Enterprises. You can of course learn moreabout the Corps of Owls in our Talon versus Niko
Minoru duel. Grifter's infiltration led toconfrontations with both Batman and Superman,
who viewed the Wildcats methods as reckless anddestabilizing. Despite opposition, the team
succeeded in extracting critical data andneutralizing a Leviathan strike team sent to
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eliminate them. After dismantling one ofLeviathan's black sites in Egypt, the Wildcats
traced a metahuman trafficking gang to EasternEurope, where they discovered Daemonite genetic
experiments being funded by remnants of Gamora'selite. Halo launched a covert rescue operation
that liberated several hybrid children,prompting Zella to re-establish her coda
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contacts in the Balkans for sanctuary.Meanwhile, Grifter continued posing as Max Cash
to infiltrate a rogue Leviathan cell embeddedwithin Spiral, clashing with agents loyal to both
checkmate and trust. During a raid in Gotham, LadyTron engaged a nanai augmented assassin
dispatched by the Corps of Owls, confirmingrumors of their expanded influence. Following
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these developments, the Wildcats relocatedtheir operations to a fortified Halo facility
beneath the Pacific Ocean, where they beganinvestigating dimensional anomalies linked to
the return of Void's energy signatures,suggesting a resurgence of the energy once
believed lost. Now for my seven person roster, Iwent with the original team that was also featured
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in the animated series, specifically Spartan,Warblade, Void, Voodoo, Maul, Grifter, and
Zealot, which I also think presents a good balanceagainst the inhumans. To go into a bit of detail on
each character once again, Spartan, the caribamandroid leader of the team and essentially the
Superman of the group, has enhanced strength,durability and senses, as well as flight and
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bioplasma energy emission, among other androidskills like technopathy and cloaking fields.
Zealot, a centuries old blade wielding Kotawarrior, has enhanced caribam physiology that
grants superhuman strength, durability, sensesand a healing factor. She's like Wolverine.
Voodoo is a caribam daemonite human hybrid withenhanced physicals, particularly when she
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shapeshifts into a demonic daemonite form,though she also has psychic level perception
known as Sight. The ability to freeze time forshort periods and she's a practitioner of voodoo
magic who can raise zombies. Maul, a member of acaribam subspecies known as a Titanthrope, is a
Nobel Prize winning biochemist who can growexponentially in size and strength, though at the
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cost of his intelligence. Warblade, a caribamsubspecies hybrid known as a Shaper, can convert
his body into a metallic substance that he canstretch and shape at will, often into bladed
weapons. A non-caribam related member of my teamis Void, a powerful manipulator of space time with
abilities like teleportation, precognition,telekinesis, time travel and quantum energy
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emission. And finally, Grifter, probably themost popular member of the team, is a
sharpshooting tactician, martial artist anddemolitions expert whose exposure to modified
alien DNA known as Gen Factor grants himtelepathy, telekinesis and a healing factor. And
that's the Wildcats. As you're going throughtheir backstory, I thought of something I hadn't
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thought before, is the name of Wildstorm, aportmanteau of the Wildcats and Stormwatch?
Probably? Cool. Thank you for that insight.That's a pretty interesting story, at least the
first arc, as with any long running team, the firstarc is usually the best. And then because writers
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got to keep things going, they kind of lose theiroriginal focus. But I like the idea of how they
started out very similarly to the Inhumans, whereyou have warring alien races fighting and
involving humanity and having superpoweredbeings stem from that. Great pairing. The
executive producers probably already knew ofthis thematic tie-in. That's why it's great to
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have multiple minds pulled together in theformation of these duels. Absolutely. Never
would have thought of this match. But I'm reallyglad that we're doing it. Well, let me get into the
Inhumans backstory. The Inhumans aredescendants of a group of ancient humans
genetically experimented on by the alien raceknown as the Kree. Tens of thousands of years ago,
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the Kree spliced their own DNA into primitive man,hoping to create a superpowered race that could
serve as soldiers in their interstellar wars.Eventually, the Kree abandoned the project where
it was lost to time. But the altered humans, nowInhumans, remained. Carrying with them a dormant
potential through their Kree modified DNA.Generations later, these early Inhumans
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discovered a strange extraterrestrialsubstance developed by the Kree called pterogen.
When refined into the pterogen mists, it wouldactivate their latent genetic enhancements and
grant them extraordinary powers, a process knownas pterogenesis. Isolating themselves from the
outside world and their more primitive humancounterparts, the Inhumans built a hidden city
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called Adalan, where they formed a superpoweredsociety governed by a monarchy obsessed with
genetics. Their culture developed into a strictcaste system, where the most successful results
of pterogenesis rose in prominence andculminated in the royal family. However,
pterogenesis was unpredictable and in rare caseshad catastrophic results. Those who emerged from
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the mists as deformed, subhuman throwbacks werecalled alpha primitives. They were condemned to a
lower caste forced to live underground. Thisharsh system cemented the Inhumans genetic
hierarchy, elevating the most gifted to the royalpalace while relegating the most unfortunate
underground. A strict human genetics council, a12 member body chaired by the king, regulated
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pterogenesis, mapped family lines and evenapproved marriages. In the 20th century, King
Aegon, regarded as one of Adalan's greatestrulers, convinced his wife Rhinda to expose their
unborn child to pterogenesis while she waspregnant, defying the genetic council. Their
son, Blackaggar Boltagon, aka Blackbolt, wasborn with a voice so destructive that even a
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whisper could level a city. He was raised inisolation to master absolute control over his
ability. Young Blackbolt was betrothed to hiscousin Medusa, whose hair moved with strength and
precision and obeyed her will. King Aegon thensecretly urged relatives to expose their infants
early, producing a remarkable generation ofInhumans, including Maximus, Blackbolt's
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brother who was brilliant but unstable, Gorgon,whose hooves could unleash earthquakes. Triton
drastically altered into an aquatic beast,Crystal, who commanded the elements, and Karnak,
who never underwent any of the But heavily trainedto see the flaw in any object, tactic, or system.
Finally, there was Lockjaw, a massive canine whowas bonded to the royal family who could teleport
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to nearly anywhere. You can learn more aboutBlackbolt, Medusa, and Crystal in their
respective dual episodes against Shazam,Long-Gated Man, and Tempest. As humanity spread
over the earth, the Inhuman's secret existencecame under threat. They at times clashed with
frightened humans and suppressed alphaprimitive revolts, but they also formed ties with
Earth's heroes such as the Fantastic Four andsometimes even fought beside them. Inside
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Adolan, Maximus schemed to take the throne usingdevices, riots, and manipulation. Adolan
endured kidnappings, invasions, and cycles ofdestruction and rebuilding. Eventually, the
world learned that this hidden race existed, andAdolan was moved off of Earth to the blue area of the
moon. Blackbolt's reign faced a personal crisiswhen he and Medusa conceived a child. The genetics
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council, fearing his bloodline, seized theinfant and cut off parental contact. Medusa fled
to Earth with members of the family while Maximushounded them. When Blackbolt learned the council
planned to use his son in his scheme against him, heturned on the council. He set aside the crown for a
time, and the royals lived away from Adolan,returning when their people needed them.
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Eventually, Adolan returned to Earth, isolatedin the Himalayan Mountains. The Kree later
returned to claim their rediscovered subjects.Ronan the Accuser struck from orbit, enslaving
the Inhumans and forcing Blackbolt to leadmissions against their rival alien empires,
including the Shiar. He exiled Maximus and thealpha primitives to the negative zone and
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revealed that the Inhumans had been designed forinfiltration. Their traits meant to echo alien
forms for espionage and assassination. He usedthem to sabotage ships and treaties and tried to
force Blackbolt to assassinate the ShiarEmpress. Blackbolt challenged Ronan to an honor
duel, won, and forced Ronan to withdraw. Later,back on Earth, Crystal's husband, Quicksilver,
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stole pterogen crystals in an attempt to regainhis lost powers and help other depowered mutants.
You can learn more about this in our Quicksilvervs. Flash duel episode. The United States
government seized the pterogen crystals andBlackbolt declared war, pending their return. A
strike to recover them caused many human deathsand hardened the world's opinion against
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Adaline. Though the crystals were finallyreclaimed, Maximus seized control and Adaline
suffered devastating ruin. Not long after,Blackbolt was kidnapped and replaced by an
imposter from the Skrulls, a shapeshifting alienrace. The royal family, aided by the Kree, rescued
Blackbolt from Skrull captivity and returnedhome. Seeking to escape the strife from the
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outside world once and for all, the Inhumanstransformed Adaline into a starship powered by
Blackbolt's voice and ventured into space. Theyfluted the Kree homeworld of Hala where they
overthrew the empire that once created them. A warwith the Shiar followed, during which a pterogen
device called the T-bomb apparently killedBlackbolt and the rule fell to Queen Medusa. The
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Alpha Primitives revolted, Maximus again soughtthe crown, and the Kree nobles resisted, eroding
Inhuman control. It was discovered that the Kreehad also altered other species long ago, not just
humans. These universal Inhumans, as it were,traveled to Earth's moon and united with the
returned Blackbolt, stopping an attempt by theSupreme Intelligence to attack Earth and retake
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control of the Kree. Abandoning Hala andreturning back to their home planet, the Inhuman
royal family rebuilt Adaline, this time in theclouds above New York City. Soon, the mad Titan
Thanos demanded that Adaline's render allInhumans within certain ages as tribute to him.
Blackbolt realized that hidden within the demandwas a hunt for Thanos' secret son, who was an
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Inhuman descendant. The royal family evacuatedAdaline, and rather than submit to Thanos,
Blackbolt destroyed the city with a shout. Thistriggered a pterogen bomb built by Maximus that
spread pterogen across the globe and awakenedpowers in many people across Earth with dormant
Inhuman genes. In the aftermath, Blackbolt wentinto exile for his actions, and Medusa rebuilt New
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Adaline, an independent nation open to allInhumans. Crystal led a team aboard the royal
Inhumans' transport to track the driftingpterogen cloud and protect people about to
change. Unfortunately, the cloud proved lethalto mutants. Fearing extinction, mutant leaders
launched a preemptive strike against NewAdaline, neutralizing most of the royal family
and trapping them in a hostile dimension. Afterlearning the full stakes of what was happening,
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Medusa destroyed the remaining pterogen cloudherself. She abdicated the throne and passed
leadership to the Inhuman people, installing anew Inhuman democracy. She and Blackbolt then
reunited and journeyed into space, seeking theorigins of pterogen. Their search led to the
discovery of Primogen, a mutagenic substance onwhich the Kree had based their creation of
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pterogen. Traveling back to Earth, the familythen founded a new Inhuman city called Arctilan on
the moon. There they were attacked by the Kree, wholearned about the Inhumans' acquisition of
Primogen and gave them an ultimatum. Join the Kreeor die. The Kree massacred Inhumans across space.
Blackbolt summoned the leaders of the universalInhuman tribes to plan a response, but a Kree
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executioner named Vox ambushed the gathering,slaughtering the group. In the battle, Triton and
Maximus were seemingly killed, and Blackbolt'sthroat was slit. After the remaining Inhuman
population was imprisoned, the royal familyescaped with help from Blackbolt's faint,
returning voice. They learned that Vox was not aperson, but a Kree program that converted
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prisoners into living weapons. Given a directiveto acquire Primogen and weaponize the Inhumans,
Vox converted the Inhuman population andembedded within them the code to restart the Vox
program should he be destroyed. With one paintwhisper, Blackbolt destroyed the engines that
transmitted the Vox program, ending the Kree'splan, and ending the lives of most of the Inhumans.
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The few survivors gathered, with Lockjawteleporting them home. The former royals learned
that they were just a few of the last remainingInhumans. And that's the Inhumans' history so
far. For this team duel, I'm obviously going withthe members of the Inhuman royal family, as
they're among some of the most prominent andimportant members of the Inhuman race. This
includes Blackbolt, the former king of Adolan whohas the ability to absorb and convert electrons
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into a devastating energy he can unleash throughhis voice or channel into blasts, energy shields,
or used to enhance his own physiology. QueenMedusa is next on my roster, who can scionically
control every strand of her tensile hair.Crystal, her sister, is third on my team, able to
control the four elements of fire, earth, air, andwater. All three of them have their own duel
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episodes we've done, but the rest are new. I'mincluding Maximus, Blackbolt's brother, who is
mentally unstable, but also a powerful telepathand genius strategist and inventor. Blackbolt's
cousins round out the rest of the team. There'sKarnak, the unparalleled fighter who can detect
the weak point of anything. Gorgon, the brute whocan create seismic shockwaves by stomping his
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hooves. And finally Triton, the scalywater-breathing scout with twin curved short
swords. And that's my team. I wanted to go withLockjaw, trust me, but we're going to be saving him
for a later team duel episode this year. If you're afan of Lockjaw, you probably already know what
that team is. Hey, spoiler warning! Justlistening to the Inhuman's backstory again, I'm
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reminded of how good an Inhuman show should havebeen. It should have been sci-fi Game of Thrones.
Yeah, we've said that multiple times on thispodcast, but it remains no less true. The
television show should have been so much better.Now, if you've listened to our team duels before,
you know that we like to come up with comparablerosters, finding some kind of analog between
characters of both sides. And this is just to makesure that we're going into this matchup as
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balanced as possible. Now, our matchups consistof Spartan and Blackbolt, since they're both the
powerhouse leaders of each team, Warblade andMedusa. Yes, since they could both shape shift
parts of their bodies into weapons. Void andCrystal. One being able to control Space Time, the
other the elements. Boodoo versus Karnak, whoboth have the ability of sight, essentially.
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There's Maul and Gorgon, the brutes of each team.Maximus and Grifter, the telepaths, and Zealot
and Triton, the weapon wielding warriors. Which Ithought lined up perfectly, considering we're
both going with like the base rosters for each ofthese teams, I would say. For sure. But now that
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we've got the team's histories and rosters out ofthe way, let's speculate on how one of the
thousands of simulated matches will go. Thewinner is determined by simulations, not the
speculation, but it's fun to imagine how a fightcould play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our
speculation? Well, I should say there are no rulesother than the teams have no prior knowledge of the
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other going into the fight. All they are aware ofstarting out is that the other side is a threat that
needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, thegroups will begin approximately 50 meters apart
in a non-descript environment that will have nobearing on the match itself, as no environmental
statistics are considered in my simulations. Theteams must earn victory on their own merit. All
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right, then let's get into it. The Wildcats and theInhumans meet on the battlefield. Who goes first?
I'm going to say Warblade starts things off for theWildcats by extending his long metal fingers into
the ground, at which point these long metal spearsare going to shoot up beneath the Inhumans
impaling them through their torsos. Damn, that'show we do. Well, Gorgon sees Warblade's hands go
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into the ground and already suspectingsomething's up, he's going to quickly stomp the
ground with one of his hooves and that creates aseismic shock that like breaks each of Warblade's
fingers in like 17 different locations. He'slike, oh, shit, my fingers. And this tremor that
Gorgon creates also knocks each of the Wildcatsmembers on their asses. OK, well, while on the
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ground, Grifter, he's just going to mag dump hisdual pistols while telekinetically curving the
bullets so that each of the Inhumans gets two in thechest and one in the head. John Wick style. Except
that black bolt throws up an energy shield that'sgoing to protect his family from all sunsets and it
also weakens a dust storm that affects the entirearea of the battlefield around the Wildcats. And
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it's a heavy storm that blocks their vision. Theycan't see anything. But then suddenly they all
start getting slapped around by a bunch of whipscreated by Medusa's hair, who extends her hair
into the storm. And she could feel through it andjust beat the shit out of them simultaneously
while the Wildcats are inside. I mean, Void has aspatial sense on a planetary scale. So maybe a few
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Wildcats get hair whipped before Void teleportsher entire team out of the dust storm behind the
Inhumans, at which point Spartan is going to blastthem all in the back with this sweeping plasma beam
blasting across the Inhumans and frying them.That's a good move. Okay, I forgot that you guys can
teleport. Yeah, the Inhumans would probably betaken by surprise by this. So they're all on the
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ground and like singed on their backs with thirddegree burns. Except for Maximus, because his
telepathy warned him of the attack because hecould detect the Wildcats' minds were behind
them. So they gave him enough time to react and duckbeneath the plasma beam. And while he's crouched
down, he pulls out a sonic rifle he has that he'sfueled with the same energy as Black Bolt's voice.
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What? Like whispers of Black Bolt, right? And hejust lets Spartan have it. He fires the rifle and
punches a big basketball sized hole right throughSpartan's torso and he drops to the floor. He's an
android, right? Yeah, yeah, and actually that'snot going to take Spartan out. But while his
android body is on the ground repairing itself,that's when Maul is going to Fastball Special
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Zellet, hurling her right at Maximus, bladesfirst, and she straight up decapitates his ass.
No, no, no, no, no. She flies right into a forcefield. He had set up this negative zone barrier
that was secretly activated in front of him. He setup like negative zone barriers all the time in the
comic books, mostly around Adeline, but he has apersonal force field too, in this case. And she
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crashes into it and slides down to the ground like abird who just crashed into a window. Dang. By this
point, the Inhumans have gotten up from the groundafter dealing with Spartan's attack and Crystal
is going to whip up and hurl a firestorm at theWildcats. It's just this big fiery tornado that's
shooting fireballs and it burns and just scattersthe Wildcats team. Okay, but Voodoo, she's going
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to mindlock Crystal for an incident, causing hermind to go blank and the fire tornado is going to
dissipate because of that. And with the fire gone,Warblade is going to shift his hands and feet into
scissors, along with the ends of eight metallicspider legs that he grows from his back. And he
leaps at Medusa, chopping up any hair that may getin his way until he's able to get close enough to her
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to deliver a fatal stabbing. Except I don't thinkhe can cut her hair because it's too durable. It has
like the tensile strength of iron wires. And hisblades could cut through anything. But like,
traditionally, Medusa's hair can't be cut unlessshe wants it to be cut. But I also guess it stands to
reason that something sharp enough to cut it wouldbe able to do it. So say Warblade's cutting her hair
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as she's defending herself, okay? Trying to fighthim off. What Warblade doesn't know is that Medusa
can still control any of her hair that's cut. What?So as he's trying to get to Medusa, he gets all
tangled up in this mess of his own making. And sohe's now just busy slashing and fighting at these
hair strands, just flailing around. At thatpoint, Karnak flips in, he sees Warblade's weak
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point, spots his opening, and then just karatechops Warblade's spine with like the force of a
cannonball that just causes Warblade's liquidmetal form to explode into like liquid metal
droplets everywhere. Okay, well meanwhile,thanks to Voodoo's gift of sight, she's able to see
how Black Bolt is restraining himself from makingvocalizations during the battle. So she uses her
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psychic ability to separate Black Bolt from hismental conditioning. And that's when Black Bolt
looks at Gorgon, just confused, and is like, whatjust happened? Obliterating Gorgon. Geez. Well,
if he has forgotten his mental conditioning afterhe sees Gorgon just get obliterated, he's gonna
turn his head and be like, holy shit! And that'sgonna obliterate Zellet, who happened to be in
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front of him. What? So Zellet's out of the match aswell. And then Maximus, who's insane, but he's not
stupid, he knows he needs to silence his brotherfor the sake of everybody, right? So he
telepathically reminds Black Bolt of his mentalconditioning to stay mute. Okay, but while
Maximus is distracted telepathicallycommunicating with his brother, Grifter, an
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expert thief, is going to steal Maximus' sonicrifle from him, and he's gonna use it to blow up
Maximus. Except that this gun, the sonic gun, is aweapon designed for inhuman militia, so that
means it's programmed only to respond to thegenetic signature of an inhuman. So Grifter tries
to shoot Maximus, but instead the gun justexplodes in his hands. And now Grifter's arms are
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gone. And before Grifter can even process whatjust happened, Triton leaps by him and takes off
his head with one of his curved blades. What? Wait,wait, wait. First of all, the pterodrine mist is
like a gas, right? Correct. Well, the gen factorthat Grifter inhaled was also a gas. What if it's
like the wildstorm pterodrine mist, makingGrifter an inhuman? No, I'm sorry. Not
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genetically. Whatever. Grifter's gone, but he isa demolition guy who's like armed to the teeth with
various explosive gadgets inside his trenchcoat. So he may be dead, but the explosion from
Maximus' gun sparks an igniter on one of hisgrenades. And when that goes off, all of his
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explosives go off, killing Triton as well. And,you know, Maximus is probably pretty injured,
too, I'm sure. All right. Okay. So Triton is out.Grifter's out. While this is all happening,
Karnak is fighting Maul. And Karnak is dodgingMaul's attacks just with like super efficiency,
striking all of his pressure points. So Maul's noteven really able to land a hit on Karnak. And Karnak
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is going to strike a nerve in Maul's legs, which isgoing to drop Maul to his knees. And then Karnak
leaps up and finger strikes him right in betweenthe eyes, which is a weak spot that makes his brain
explode inside his head. So now Maul's out. Exceptthat the last second, though, Maul's going to
shrink his body down to the size of a thimble inorder to dodge Karnak's attack. And at that size,
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he's a super genius because, you know, his sizecorrelates with his intellect. And he's going to
deduce Karnak's one weakness, which is hisinsides. So Maul's going to shrink down, jump into
Karnak's booty. No! Before expanding toskyscraper size and just obliterating Karnak.
Did you just thinus Karnak? You're damn right Idid. What are you, nine? Why did he go in through the
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butthole? Because he could. Anyway, Maul is nowthe size of a skyscraper, you say. But that means
he's dumb as a rock. Okay? Fair. So suddenly hestarts beating the shit out of his own teammates.
He smashes Spartan, you know, before he can finishrepairing his android body. He just smacks Void
across the horizon and he pummel's voodoo into theground with his fists. All of this because now he's
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being mind controlled by Maximus. Oh. Well, Imean, Maul is said to be fairly psychic resistant
because of his decreased intellect at giant size.No, well, I mean, the reason I did this is because
actually the more mindless that a subject is, themore susceptible they are to Maximus's mind
control. Like that's why Maximus is so good atcontrolling the alpha primitives. Really? Okay.
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Wait, so Spartan's finished. But we'll say that asVoid is sailing across the horizon, she's going to
teleport back to the battle and rescue voodoo forMaul's attack, like just in time. And with voodoo
using her gift of sight to be able to recognizewho's controlling Maul, that's when she
transforms into her daemonite demonic form andjust tears into Maximus, ripping him to shreds
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while he's distracted. And meanwhile, youremember how Warblade was sort of scattered
everywhere by Karnax attack? Yeah. Well, thatwould not kill him because eventually all of those
metallic droplets would find their way back toeach other, sort of like T1000. And so we'll say by
this point, enough of Warblade's scattereddroplets have coalesced to form a long hammer,
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which Maul by this point back to 10 feet tall or sopicks up and proceeds to pummel crystal into the
ground. Okay. So Warblade is back from beingexploded and he's just a hammer now. Right. Is he
like a hammer with Warblade's face? Uh, yes,actually, specifically that. I wasn't sure if he
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was just like an inanimate object now. No. ButCrystal's going to handle this liquid metal guy
the same way you would handle any liquid metal guy.She's going to freeze the hammer so that shatters
when Maul swings it. So Warblade's gone for goodnow. Maul's confused because his hammer broke on
him. And at that point, Crystal fills Maul's lungswith water and he drowns. Oh, okay. Well, Crystal,
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she's just going to get lasered and half at thetorso at this time by one of Void's quantum beams.
So she's out. And as that happened, Voodoo broughtMaul back as a zombie using her Voodoo knowledge
and she's going to control Maul to choke out BlackBolt. And that's going to prevent him from using
his voice as he suffocates and dies. No, becausebefore Black Bolt suffocates, Medusa is going to
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take a page from Maul's playbook and destroy himfrom the inside. Okay, but she's not like a pervert
like he is. She goes in through his ears. So her hairinfiltrates Maul's skull through his ears and she
just scrambles his zombie brain to mush. Allright. And with Black Bolt free, he's just going to
take out both Void and Voodoo by shouting, like,you guys suck. And they're just obliterated from
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his voice and the Inhumans win. Wait, heobliterates both of them? Do you think they were
standing like right next to each other? Becausethey weren't. Says who? Me, bro. We'll say that
Voodoo freezes time just before the sound wavesreach her. And that's going to allow Void to set up a
portal that catches all of those sonic waves andredirects them through another portal lined up to
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hit both Medusa and Black Bolt. So they're deadinstead and the Wildcats win. Now you can't just
dictate where people are on the battlefield. I'msaying that Void and Voodoo were standing next to
each other and they didn't have enough time toreact to Black Bolt's shout. Wait, I can't. But you
can? Yes. I mean, Singly didn't have enough time toreact also, by the way. Void literally controls
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space time. So she'll just go back in time if theydidn't. Void's a bum. Okay. We could go out and
leave the match there. Either one of two thingshappens. Either Black Bolt shouts Void and Voodoo
out of existence or they're able to redirect hisblast and Black Bolt ends up taking himself and
Medusa out. Let's go ahead and input the teamstats, run the simulations and find out which of
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the scenarios happens when we come back with awinner. 8G9K, hit it. Alright, that was a crazy
matchup. Both of these teams have some reallypowerful members. There's actually a good
variety among both teams. They had a lot in common.They had a lot that was not in common, but breaking
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it all down. The teams were actually even when itcame to intelligence and versatility. Right. The
biggest discrepancy they had actually came downto durability, considering basically all of the
Wildcat's characters have healing factors.Yeah, they're all Wolverine wannabes. Like, the
inhumans have an accelerated rate of healingcompared to normal humans, but it's not crazy fast
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like Wolverines and it's not fully regenerativeeither. My most durable guys were Black Bolt,
Gorgon and Triton. People like Medusa, Crystal,Karnak and Maximus just didn't have the same level
of durability. But the inhumans did have theadvantage when it came to the category of range.
Black Bolt, Crystal and Maximus and even Gorgonhave tremendous range with their attacks. You
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know, Maximus being a psychic, Black Bolt with hisshouts, Crystal with her elemental powers and
Gorgon with his seismic stomps. Yeah, when you'regoing up against elemental powers with like
bullets and blades and stuff like that, it's notquite as effective. My strongest character on my
side was Spartan, followed up by Void. And myweakest character was actually Warblade. Yeah,
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my strongest character obviously was Black Boltand the weakest member of the inhuman family is
actually Karnak, probably because he neverunderwent terror genesis. And, you know, he's
really good at finding weak spots and striking todefeat them. And he was smart, but he didn't have
those like superhuman stats that his cousins andhis brother have. Yeah, Karnak only won about a
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quarter of his matches. He won 27.9 of the totalmatches that he was in, which was not the lowest win
rate. Actually, Warblade had the lowest at 26%even. Yeah, and Black Bolt had the highest win rate
individually, winning 81.3% of all of hismatches. And that was actually the highest win
rate overall, because my highest win rate was79.9% held by Spartan. So taking all of these
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figures and stats into account, Joseph, who do youthink came out on top in humans? They have the most
powerful member. Black Bolt had the highest winrate. They're a pretty well rounded team. I'm
going to give it to the royal family. You would. AndInstagram agrees with me with 63% of our poll
respondents, citing with the inhumans sayingthat they would defeat the Wildcats. Well, let's
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see if you jerks are correct. AJ9K, the results,please. Here you are, sir. The winner of the team
dual matchup between Wildcats and Inhumans is theWildcats, son of a bitch. No. The Wildcats won
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52.5% of their matches compared to the Inhumans,who only won 47.5. And honestly, I'm kind of as
surprised as you are. I thought the Inhumans weregoing to take this. I mean, they have fucking Black
Bolt. You just start off the match by going, screwyou guys, and then it would be over. But yeah, Void
could, you know, just again, teleport all of theenergy back at them. The Inhumans had Black Bolt,
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but the Wildcats had Spartan and Void and Grifter,each of whom had over a 60% win rate. My guys overall
were just a little bit more powerful. Honestly, Ithink it really came down to the defense of stats.
Having a healing factor really helps in battle, asit turns out. I'm like horribly depressed now. I
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was expecting to go into this with the Inhumans winto give them some kind of victory and make up for all
the disappointments that fans have encounteredwith them over the years. And here's just another
one to add to the fucking list. Honestly, I thinkit's time to give up on the Inhumans. Like they have
nothing going for them. I think it's time for you togive up. You know what? You piece of shit. Jeez. But
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that is it for this duel, guys. AJ9K helped closethis out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic Jewel.
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executive producers, John Staroski, ZacharyHepburn, Dustin Belcom, Miki Matangin,
Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatyn, AustinWieselowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Ibonto, Scott
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