EP 436: WR and RB Rankings

Dale is joined by Mikey with Basement Brewed Fantasy Football to talk some RB and WR Rankings.

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Episode Transcript

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Fantasy, Jack, Eat Sleep fantasSee Eat Sleep Fantasy. Hello everybody,
and welcome to another episode in theEat Sleep Fantasy Football Podcast. My name
is Dale. Thanks for joining,listening, downloading. We have a special

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episode for you. Look, wehad a great episode last time. You
guys heard a lot about the rankingswith the quarterbacks and tight ends with my
buddy Mikey. He is back withus again. Clayton is still suspended from
the podcast. You might come back, you know. I'm I'm kind of
running a dictatorship. He doesn't knowit, but I kind of am.

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And I'm telling him he can't comeback until I tell him so. Actually
I think he's sick, but that'sbeside the point. I don't think they
even know what a dictatorship is inCanada so I think you're fine, Like
I think you're fine. Yeah,I don't think they didn't have a clue
what's going on? Um again,like I said last last episode, um
contraction, I'm contraction, obligated totake a Northerner. Look, and Mikey

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hits the mic just like Clayton everyfucking episode. Um my co host hits
Dude. It's like, it's okay, it's okay. Clayton does it all
the time, and I yell atClayton, I'm gone, yea every time
you do it, it's okay.Uh, those of you are not familiar
if you didn't listen to last episode. Basement brood ff dot com, We're
gonna talk a lot about that,all rankings, heat maps, subscription,

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all that good stuff. And I'mgonna gave you some money too, basically
pay you. Um. And Ido want to remind everybody that it is
not a porn site. It's afantasy football site. For now, all
right, Mikey, we talked tothe two n andps, but we'll see.
Hey, look, I have someideas. Okay, yeah, so
you have to differentiate in the space. So I'm telling you let's talk about

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I mean there's Yeah, there's allkinds of stuff. You can slip it
in rankings. Um you know.Anyways, Yeah, there you go.
UM, merchandise. You can getreally creative with merchandise. Yeah yeah.
Anyways, Uh, let's talk aboutrunning backs and wide receivers. This might

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get a little lengthy. I don'tknow, maybe not um, because I
really I think this is where someof the um right yeah, yeah,
yeah that's what I think. Right, Yeah, UM, let's talk about
here. I'm I'm not even readyyet for this episode, but I'm gonna
start with some running backs. Yep. Last year and we we kind of

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touched a little bit on some ofthese guys. Um, but I want
to go through maybe some bullet pointsof mine and Mikey you can fill in
wherever you want, whatever you thinkis most helpful. You touch a little
bit on Josh Jacobs last episode,I want to talk to a little more.
Last year, Josh Jacobs twelve touchdownto over sixteen hundred rushing yards,

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played all seventeen games decent and receivinggame with four hundred receiving yards. So
overall, Josh Jacobs had a reallygood year. Why do you hate him?
Jimmy Garoppolo is why I hate him. Now, that's definitely part of
it. There's I'm not expecting anysort of offensive fireworks from that offense.
It's the same reason I'm out onDavante Adams this year for the first time

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ever. Now there's something to besaid about him playing in Josh McDaniel's offense.
It's clear that he is the engine. But if you look at Josh
Jacob's like career trajectory, he outperformedwhat we've come to expect from Josh Jacobs
by a significant margin last year,Like he had sixteen hundred rushing yards.

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His previous career high was eleven hundred. He had twelve well actually it was
the second time he had twelve touchdowns. But he also did some damage in
the receiving game with sixty four targetsin fifty three catches four hundred yards after
the previous year. Um, youknow he has he has two other seasons

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of under forty six targets. Soit's like he outperformed himself in a big
way. And now he's moving toa Jimmy Garoppolo who's like still injured and
dealing with a mysterious like they didn'teven know if he'd be ready for Week
one, And it's just typically Idon't I don't want a big part of
expensive running backs that are on badteams. And Josh Jacobs goes in the

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second and third round playing for aRaiders team that isn't isn't going to win
a lot of games, an offensethat's not going to score a lot of
points. It's just to me,everything about Josh Jacobs screams regression this year.
I mean, he had he hadtwo thousand plus scrimmag yards last year,
which is insane, but he'd nevergone over thirteen hundred you know,

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one thousand and three fifty scrimmageyards priorto that. So it's just too expensive
for me. Yeah, I mean, you know, guys, where where's
he being drafted? Right round?Do you have that pulled up right now?
From experience, I'll tell you asecond or third round, but let
me I actually still have it pulledup. Let me go Josh Jacobs on

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in regular redraft leagues on sleeper hegoes around pick twenty, which is like
mid mid to late second round,which to me is like, I'm way
out. I'm not even close toeven considering that, so somewhere around,
probably a little after Tony Pollard.Right, he's he's ahead of Tony Pollard,
Is he really? He's ahead oftwenty Pollard? Yep, about twenty

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four. I'm drafting Tony Pollard beforeJosh Jacobs. Is that crazy? I
don't think it crazy. I havethose those two guys in the same tier.
Okay, yep, okay, allright? What about Ramadre Stevenson also
in the same tier. So Ihave Derrick Henry, Tony Pollard, Romandre

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Stevenson, and Jess Jacobs in thesame tier. That, even looking at
that right now makes me want tomove Derrick Henry out of that tier up
one. Um, I'm much I'mbigger on Derrick Henry than I am on
those guys. But Romandre I've startedto come down a bit on only because
a big part of his appeal lastyear was that he they started to embrace

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him in a third down role likehe was. He was getting all of
the work. He was a bellcow, he was getting workhorse type of
workload. That should continue in twentytwenty three. But we're also hearing about
Pierre Strong coming on as a potentialthird down option. Which would remove Romandra

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Stevenson from the field on passing downs, which severely limits running backs upside.
And if you think about Bill Belichickin the offenses that he's had in the
past, he's always had somebody inthat like James White kind of role.
And I'm not saying Pierre Strong isgoing to be the next James White,
but I think he might be involvedenough to cap Romandre Stevenson's upside and making
him a pretty risky pick in thatsecond to third round. But I know

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there's a lot of analysts out therewho love Romandre this year. I just
I'm having trouble being one of them, especially in a Mac Jones offense.
Yeah, you know, the passingthe especially a PPR format, the what
you just mentioned about taking some passingwork. Stevenson had sixty nine receptions last
year. He was among I don'tknow, he was at least what top

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four or fives somewhere maybe talking aboutsix and yeah, among running backs in
receptions, So you're taking some ofthat workout way. That takes a lot
of his value. He had justover a thousand rushing yards, over four
hundred receiving yards, seventy six ninereceptions and that takes that that's going to
take a significant hit if if whatyou're saying holds true, right, And

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that's that is a big if,right. And there's there's very few running
backs in football that can butter theirbread strictly on the ground, right,
Derrick Henry being one of them,Nick Chubb being another. Although Nick Chubb's
he's that's a whole different thing.That's a potential rocket ship. But and
we don't know, right, Romandrecould be that third down running back,

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and he could he could go nutsagain. But when you look at Bill
Belichick's history and his desire to usemore than one running back and have them
in different roles, right, heoften has a first and second down back,
he has a third down back,and a lot of times he has
a goal lineback. I don't knowif you remember that year that le Garret
Blunt had like twenty touchdowns or something. So it's it's it's really tough for

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me to take Ramondre Stevenson as expensiveas he is in the second and third
round when I could instead go witha Keenan Allen, for example, who
I know is is going to getthe ball in a offense that should take
a step forward this year. AllRight, one guy I'm excited about and
not a lot of people are.I think I'm gonna be drafting him a

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lot this upcoming season just because Idon't think he's valued high enough. Is
Bruce Hall last year when you knowBruce was actually getting work before he got
injured, and he was, youknow, over fifteen attempts per game for
you know, three games in arow, you know, one hundred yards
wants, close to hundred yards wantsand then you know, sixty whatever seventy

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yard game. Before that, itlooked like he was getting better and better.
He's explosive, is a don't tellme that the only reason he's fallen
is because of his injury or thatis that's why people are scared, and
rightfully so, I know we talkedabout this in the last episode. Doctor
d pak Chona highly recommend following him. I should look up what his actual

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Twitter handle is. He's such agood follow but he routinely posts about Bruese
Hall a lot of times. Hedoes that while he's talking about Javonte Williams.
He his data, his medical data, which is significant, suggests that
Breese Hall will likely get off toa slower start than I think people will

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feel comfortable with using a third roundpick on him. But he does think
Breese Hall should if I remember right, he does think Breese Hall should get
back to one hundred percent before theend of the season. It's just a
matter of like how long will thattake. But now you're putting him into
an Aaron Rodgers offense, and thatI mean there's a potential rocket ship there
as well. I've definitely taken myfair share of Reese Hall. I've admittedly

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limited my exposure. I try andcap it around fifty, Like, I
don't want to take him in morethan fifteen percent of my leagues one five.
Usually my max is twenty five percent, so I cap him a little
sooner, but that it's undeniable.The upside is especially because we know he's
a weapon in the passing game aswell, and Aaron Rodgers has long loved

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and I'm not just talking about dumpdowns. We're talking about this guy can run
routes for Aaron Rodgers and he's likeAaron Jones has done some damage in that
role in the past. So there'sthere's some very real upside. There's just
some very real risk to it aswell. Sure, you know, I
think having a competent quarterback look andI never played quarterback in my life,

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but I'm I'm thinking, you know, having a competent quarterback that knows defenses,
can read defenses, and puts runningbacks in position to you know,
have positive yardage. Right. You'veseen Aaron Rodgers over the years, you
know, with all his running backsBasically he can pick his spots and he
knows a now's the time to run, left, right, center, and
now's the time not to run,you know, So like having a compet

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at quarterback that can direct that trafficfor a young guy like Breece Hall,
I think, you know, Ithink it's it's only going up. Um,
yes, my concern obviously he wasinjured Week seven last year, big
problem there, um and you knowit was ACL right, yeah, yeah,
correct, Yeah, yeah, Imean yeah, how much how much

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stock do we put into you know, players are you know recovering very quickly
off a cl injuries lately? Imean, you know, if they're going
down to Brazil or whatever to getfixed, who knows, but right,
you know how but that's not forus to know about it, you know,
I mean it's happening. So theone thing I'll say about Breeese Hall
two is that if he does getoff to a slow start, there's going

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to be a exciting by low opportunityin fantasy football. If, like by
week three is just not doing whatpeople drafted him to do, savvy fantasy
managers should be able to scoop inand like make a trade off of him.
Now I'll read I'll read this toyou real quick. This is doctor
Chona's most recent tweet on Breefe Hall. This was July ninth, so just
what three days ago. By theway, on Twitter, he is at

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sport MD Analysis and his stuff isthe best I've ever seen because he has
this whole database of like injury historyand he's a medical doctor, and how
it impacts players, not just likewhether or not they'll come back in a
certain amount of time, but howthey perform when they do come back.
He said, Jets Breeze Hall.He said by camp Breeese Hall will likely

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have no limitations in the non contactsetting, which is great. Expect his
ADP to rise as a result ofexplosive footage of him now with youth on
his side, He's only twenty twoyears old, elite pre injury athleticism.
He was a ninety fifth percentile athleteand a high draft stock thirty sixth overall
all working in bruese Hall's favor.Our algorithms project a rapid bounce back for

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Breeze Hall, with likely RB oneproduction by week six. So if you
can stomach the idea of him maybenot being the Breeese Hall you drafted until
week six, it should be arocket ship from there. I don't know
if that helps or like deters people, but it's one of those things that
you just have to be ready toaccept the fact that it might be a

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slow start. Breese Hall EP rightnow is in the low thirties, So
you're talking about, you know,mid third round that you're gonna have to
get him if you want him.I have no issues with wasting an early
third round pick on him and wastingyou know whatever, wasting now yeah,

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you know, well, you knowyou're kind of wasting that first three weeks
on such a high value right,um, you know, high value pick.
Maybe maybe even if he only getsten to twelve touches, he's athletic
enough to do something with them inan Aaron Rodgers offense, so maybe he
just falls into the end zone inweeks one to three. You know,
yep, it pays off, andI think you're spot on, man,

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he's his ADP is twenty sixth overallearly third round i U This year has
been kind of interesting. Where yearspassed, the first two rounds are kind
of loaded with running backs and thenthe next four rounds are just wide receiver
heavy. This year, around thattwo three turn, there's a lot of
question marks for me at wide receiver. Like we're talking about guys like Chris

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o'lave t Higgins, et cetera.Like we're in the past it was like
Keenan Allen and Deebo Samuel and allthese bigger like guys. Yeah, but
but here this year you have guyslike Tony Pollard, Bruce Hall and Romandre
Stevenson and Najie Harris, Joe Mixon. All of those guys are going either
in the late second or after thelate seconds. So it's it's kind of
interesting. It makes me wonder ifit's gonna put a stop. I don't

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know if you've ever talked about theRB dead zone, but there's a bunch
of data to suggest running backs betweenrounds three and six are kind of are
a trap for fantasy managers. Itkind of this year makes me wonder if
that's gonna there might be an endto that or at least put on hold,
because there is some value in thethird round this year at running well.

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I mean, what you're gonna do. It's you know, you're there's
gonna be one or two that popoff, right, Bruce could, Josh
Jacobs, could Stevenson? You knowthose guys, it's very possible. You
know you're gonna you're gonna hit thebull's eye thro a dart out one of
those guys. It's just you knowhow lucky you're gonna get. You know,
if it's if it's week six andyour team is three and three,

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I'm really happy I have Breeze Hall. Right if if if that medical report
is even close to being accurate,right, and you have a super healthy
getting in rhythm with the offense andhis health by week six or seven,
and you know, you're you're you'reyou know, and you're playing you know
three and three or four and twoor whatever, you're feeling pretty good.

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And to that point, if youdo, like we talked about earlier.
If the current manager come week sixthat has Breeze Hall is sitting at one
in five or two and four,that like I'd be, I'd be making
those trade offers in weeks four orfive you should probably want if he starts
ramping up. But yeah, therethere will be a by low opportunity for
brief Hall if you don't have them. So if you miss them in the

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third round, try and get them, try and get them in week like
three or four. I would say, And you, as a Packer fan,
um, you cannot wait for theJets to go oh and six and
it totally not work out for AaronRodgers Rberries Hall. I know that's a
that's where you don't have to sayit, but I wouldn't date it.
I will say. I am aI know, I'm a spoiled Packers fan.

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Right, It's been red Fire VanAaron Rodgers my whole life. But
I am happy that I no longerhave to root for Aaron Rodgers. That's
like, I'm gonna miss him asa quarterback, but I'm not I'm not
gonna miss having to root for him. That's yeah. Yeah, there's certain
guys right, like uh, yeah, like you don't. I'm trying to
think of another example, but um, I don't know if there are too

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many like Aaron Rodgers. Like,yeah, nobody likes even people in Wisconsin
didn't really like Aaron Rodgers. Wejust knew he gave us the best chance
of winning and he was really goodat throwing the football. But other than
that, like I actually went toI went to lunch with a local sports
like reporter for one of the localnews stations and he's been covering it for

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like forty years, and I waslike, dude, like red fire,
Aaron Rodgers tell me, you know, give me the scoop. And he's
like, I'll just say this becauseI don't want to say too much.
But he goes, if I hadto chew, if I had to go
get a or no, he said, I would love to go get a
beer with Aaron. With Brett Farve, I would actively avoid having to get
a beer with Aaron Rodgers. AndI'm like crazy that kind of a lot

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anyway, Um, you know,actually I do have a good example.
And they were crossing sports here,but I am a Florida Gator and I
was at UF during the basketball andbasketball and football runs. Joke him,
Noah, joke him. Noah wasan awesome Gator, But man, he
was such an asshole on the courtat least, Like for sure, he

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was everything you didn't want to rootfor on the basketball court, right,
but he was so good and soathletic, um and so energizing you had
a root for him. But it'slike, man, if he was on
any other team, I'd fucking hatehim. I would like, he's so
obnoxious. That's he's on my team. That is exactly what I said about
Aaron Riders for a year, likeyou give the best chance to win,

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But if he was on any otherteam, he'd be like my least favorite
player. Yeah, for sure.And I actually met Joe Kim Noah and
he was really cool. Um ohthat's good. He's really yeah yeah he
was really cool. But god,like we just watching on the quarters,
Like that's the type of person Ijust hate anyways with him, Yeah,
against him, I should say,yeah, yeah, against him. Yeah
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two guys, I want to talkabout with you. I want to see

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where you land, because I'm curiouswhere they're gonna land if you see what
I did there? Uh, DalnCook and Ezekiel Elliott Elliott twelve touchdowns last
year, one hundred thirty or twohundred and thirty one attempts, you know,
almost nine hundred rushing yards. Butthose twelve touchdowns kind of shows me
you could still put the ball inzone right and in a good in a

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decent system at least in a andas offense that will give him a chance.
Same with Dalvin Cook. I mean, Devin Cook had a little bit
better year, didn't get the endzone as much, but they're both still
I think, very viable and valuablesomewhere. How close are they to you
drafting them? And where at I'llhave? So I have Dalvin Cook way

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way way ahead of Zeke in fantasyfootball. Um, same thing with like
Leonard Fournette, Kareem Hunt. There'sa lot of like solid veteran running backs
that don't have football teams right now. Right there's Fournette, there's Kareem Hunt,
Dalvin Cook, Ezekiel Elliott. It'skind of nuts, but Zeke is
going to start falling into that kindof that late career Adrian Peterson mold where

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he's like an early down and maybea goal line running back. I think
teams are going to use him onlike first and second down with a passing
game specialist. Unfortunately, those efficiencynumbers are going to continue to drop,
and it's hard to really get excitedabout Ezekiel Elliott from a fantasy football standpoint
because he's not going to have thatpassing down roll wherever he lands. And

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you fannasy football, you really wantrunning backs that can catch the football because
it, again, it caps areupside if they don't. Derreck Henry's pretty
much the Derrick Henry and ap arethe only ones who like do it without
catching the football. Now Zeke.The only rumors I've even really heard for
Zeke that have had any legs waslike Cincinnati, but that's only if they
go cut Joe Mixon, which doesn'tlook like it's going to be the case

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anymore. So. I don't havea clue where Zeke is gonna be played
dal Dalvin Cook. All we hearis Miami. I haven't heard anywhere else.
I don't know about you, buteverything points to Miami. I don't
know why it hasn't happened yet,though I don't know. I don't know
it is. It is weird howthey're playing out. I mean, I
don't know the ins and outs ofhow they spend their money, in what's
available and all that stuff. Butyou know, the Jags are kind of

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interesting. I know Travis et Inis there and very explosive, and I
think he's gonna turn into a solidrunning back. But would it be crazy
to think that Zeke could end upin Jacksonville. It would be. It
would make a really good pairing withETN because they have very different skill sets
and like what they do. Butthey do still have Jamichael Hasty and they

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just drafted Tank Bigsby, so Idon't I can't really see them in the
market for a running back behind Etn. But you never know, man,
I mean, Peter Doug Peterson himselfhas said you need what three to four
good running backs, and you neverknow. If Zeke would be willing to
accept like the minimum, I thinkI think that's a possibility there. Yeah,
I can see that. I willsay, if Dalvin ends up like

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I've been drafting a lot of Dalvinunder the assumption he ends up in Miami,
because his ADP right now is aboutpick sixty two, and I think
that'll only go up if he doesin fact land in Miami. I don't
think they'll use him as like athree down workhorse, but he should get
the most valuable touches in that backfieldon a very good offense. So like

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Dalvin Cook, to me, shouldbe should be drafted higher than pick sixty
two. I know why he isn'tright with that all the certainly we don't
know where he's going. But right, yeah, interesting this next running back
I want to talk about. Ithought he was on a trajectory going upward
without really seeing any any signs ofnot two hundred and twenty attempts almost a

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thousand yards rushing. He now hasa new rookie quarterback. You have Damian
Pierce ranked behind guys like Joe Mixonand JK. Dobbins in the same tier
with Sanders Acres Mattinson. Explain yourself, are you talking about Damian Pierce?
YEA, Damian Pierce. Yeah,man, I so I will say I

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do still have him technically higher thanADP. I have him picked. I
have him about four spots ahead ofwhere he's quote unquote supposed to be drafted.
That said, I have been admittedly, I've been out on Damian Pierce
this year. The main things there, without getting too deep into the weeds,
are that I it doesn't seem likelyto me that the Texans went and

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got Devin Singletary for nothing. Idon't think he's just going to be a
guy that sits on the bench andthe NFL. Dude, hold on,
let me, I'm just googling somethingreal quick that the NFL is weird.
I know, guys like Evan Silvause the term like cocoon, but the
NFL is weird where they have thislike group think thing where they they like

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have these like pre think of JamesRobinson, for example, the dude came
out and he was a stud,never drafted. He was a stud three
years ago. Now he's not evenon a football team. Like Damian Pierce
was drafted in the fourth round lastyear, which is not nothing, but
it's not too frequently that a fourthround running back is the long term three

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down workhorse for a team. Soin my mind, I don't think there's
I don't think they got Devin Singletaryfor no reason at all. Devin Singletary
has proven himself as a pass catcher, and what can we really expect from
the Texans offense in year one underC J. Strouts Here you're two year
three, year four, that mightbe a different story, but I'm not
expecting a top sixteen offense. Andthen you you take an offense that shouldn't

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be necessarily a top sixteen you possiblygive Devin Singletary those passing game downs,
and now you have Now you're puttingDamian Pierce in a role where he has
to butter his bread on first andsecond down and hopefully find the end zone
frequently in an offense that probably won'tscore in the top half of the NFL.
So that's why I would much rathergo with Like you mentioned, I

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have Miles Sanders in that same tier. Cam Akers is in the same tier
above those guys. I have JoeMixon, JK. Dobbins, Aaron Jones,
jamyor Gibbs. But I might beI might very well be wrong on
Damien Pierce. Last year I wasdead on with him, and this year
I might be. I might bewrong. It could it could come back
to bite me. But it's it'sjust tough to tough to pull the trigger
there. Yeah, I had aheavy dose of Damien Pierce on my teams

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last year, and so I waswatching them a lot. So I have
a little bit of that stuck inmy mind too. I mean, I've
you know, I've watched a lotof his game, way more Texans games
than I should have. Um.Probably, um, but you know,
with only you know, four touchdownslast year for him playing thirteen games like
you got it in my mind,I'm just thinking, like, man,
it could it could get better prettypretty easy and even solid. You know,

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it should. The offense should bebetter as a whole. It's just
I think he's gonna now have toagree with that. I think I hear
you. I here, that makessense? Yeah, good, it makes
sense. All right, let's jumpover um, of course. I mean
we're not gonna talk about, um, you know, Chris McCaffrey and Austin
Austin Eckler and those ATAG analysis draftthem. They're good. Yeah, exactly

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what's that? Oh? I wasjust gonna say, I will tell you
who is supremely underdrafted as far asrunning backs go. Is James Connor.
That dude there. His ADP doesn'tmake any sense. To me at all.
I know, like the Cardinals aregonna be terrible and Kyler Murray's not
going to play the first half ofthe season, but James Conner is going
to get all of the touches,and that guy gets drafted around pick eighty

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five, like literally, like eightheighth round for a guy that should have
two hundred fifty plus touches easily healthpermitting. So and just even if he
doesn't score a ton and he can'tfind his way into the end zone,
I mean he has, you know, but he gets work as a receiver
too, So like, yeah,if you're in a PPR league and the
guy was like and if the Cardinalsare gonna be bad, they're gonna be

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playing from behind, dumping down likeColt McCoy is gonna be dumping down the
ball to running. There's no reasonJames Connor should be as as late as
he is. I mean, hehad two hundred and seventy touches or two
hundred twenty nine touches last year,two hundred and thirty nine touches of the
year before that, so I meanhe should be a lock for another two
hundred plus touches this year. Easily. Sure, Yeah, all right,

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going over to wide receivers last,I don't know, a couple episodes ago
we talked Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chaseor easy one two to one, however
you want to say it. Iwill never argue anybody either one worse guys,
right, and it's whatever. Ido see Cooper Cup come in that
conversation sometimes getting him right in betweenthem. I think that's kind of interesting.

(29:19):
I don't know if it's even worthspending a lot of time on it,
but I do think it's uh,you know, is Cooper Cup,
dude? I think is the elite. I think it's fair man, we're
let's. It's easy to forget afterlast year that he's one season removed from
freaking what one hundred and forty fivecatches, nineteen hundred yards and sixteen touchdowns,

(29:40):
Like yeah, yeah, that's notnothing, man, And he's produced
all his whole career, like obviouslynot every year was twenty twenty one,
but I mean, Matthew Stafford's comingback, He's getting his quarterback back.
Matthew Stafford has locked onto Cooper Cupfrom date one, like he gets how
many targets did he have in twentyone hundred and ninety one targets in twenty

(30:02):
twenty one. It's stupid, Like, yeah, the Rams don't figure to
be a very good football team thisyear. They let go of Alan Robinson.
They're probably gonna have to throw theball a ton to keep up with
their opponents. I mean, ifif Stafford and Cooper Cups stay healthy,
there's no reason that Cup shouldn't bein line for another one hundred plus catch
season. And that might be puttingit. That might be too low,

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you know. I mean, CooperCup only played nine games and he was
hurt. He got injured one ofthose, right, and he had six
touchdowns in nine games. Compared thatto somebody like Tyreek Hill, who had
seven touchdowns in seventeen games, right, you know, I mean, so,
I mean he had you look atthis, he had seventy five catches
last year in arguably eight games,right because like you said, he got
hurt. Yeah, that's what I'mnot good at, Matt. But we're

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talking nine nine plus catches a game. So it's like when Stafford and Cup
around the field together, the dudehe's getting the ball. Yeah yeah,
yeah, all right, Um,let's talk about in I'm gonna kind of
selfishly do this because I really,I really like Garrett Wilson this year,
and I see you have him ranked, you know, in the upper you

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know, in the top twelve.Yeah, I think you have him as
a top twelve wide receiver. Idon't know if that's popular opinion or not,
but uh, Garrett Wilson is goingto be just fine this year,
don't you think. And he'll performas a wide receiver. One he was,
he was great as a rookie,and now he gets Aaron Rodgers.
And we've seen, we have plentyof evidence what Aaron Rodgers can do for

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his wide receiver. One. Yougot Damonte Adams, you get Jordie Nelson.
I mean you go way back.We're talking Greg Jennings, you know,
like yeah, yeah, he getshis guy at the ball. Now,
I looks like I am technically alittle bit lower than consensus. I
have him ranked two picks below wherehe usually gets draft um. I don't
know. If you're looking at therankings, you can see that on like

(31:48):
the regular see where where they landin my rankings compared to adp But I
mean I have no issues with somebodytaking Garrett Wilson in the top of the
second round because it's the sky isthe limit for that guy if Rogers does
in fact embrace him as the widereceiver one, which it already kind of
sounds like he has now. Hebrought Alan Lazard, he brought Randall Cub

(32:13):
Marcedes Lewis is probably going to sign. They're not that he's a target thread
anyway, but they lost Elijah Mooreas well. Corey Davis isn't gonna be
on the roster theoretically. I don'tknow what's happening there. That release hasn't
happened yet, but it's supposed tohappen, So I mean, the guy
really is the limit for Garrett Wilson. That is a very very high upside

(32:34):
wide receiver selection. He is adark horse to be like a top three
to five wide receiver. You havehim ranked right after A. J.
Brown and Ceedee Lamb, and Ithink I would sandwich him right between those
guys. I think it's fair,but but I know, I h yeah,
I could see it. I couldsee why you would do that.
I do have Garrett Wilson in aseparate at the top of the next tier

(32:58):
only because there still that like,we know what we're getting with A.
J. Brown and Jalen Hurts.We've seen it. We know what we're
getting C. Dan. We haven'tseen it with Garrett Wilson. But it's,
uh, it's you could easily makethe argument that he belongs in that
tier with A. J. Brownand CD Lamb. Yep. Um,
I know, I'm gonna probably talkabout him a lot because I love him,

(33:19):
Deebo Samuel, you like a lotcompared to um, you know his
ADP. I think too long onhim? What's that consensus is way too
low on him? Yeah, Ihave him nine picks ahead of where he's
supposed to go, just because Imean he's quarterback proof. Um, yeah,
he could do it all on thefield, right, you know,

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Shanahan loves him. What just havingthe ball improves that team? So why
wouldn't you want somebody like that thatthat especially when the coach sees something like
that, it's like, hey,we don't care how you getting the ball.
Pitch it to him, hand itoff, throw it to him,
go downfield, Like there's so manyways that he can score point points.
Why not you know, it's uh, you know kind of like similar to
like Austin Eckler, right, likeso many different ways he can give you

(34:07):
fantasy points and there so a lotof people are concerned because twenty twenty one
he had fifty nine carries and hewent for what seventeen hundred plus yards in
twenty twenty one, and then lastyear he only had forty two rushing attempts.
But we're talking about forty two rushingattempts in thirteen games from a wide

(34:27):
receiver. Like, to your point, he's quarterback proof, but he's also
like running game proof, like hegets the ball even when they're running the
ball. He was. You know, there's actually a lot in play last
year with like the contract situation.I believe he dealt with some injuries.
Yeah, I mean he only playedin thirteen games, and this year there
are reports of him being hell benton returning to form. And we've seen

(34:50):
it. We've seen him. Hewas drafted as an elite wide receiver one
last year. The thing with fantasyfootball, Dale is that most people kind
of suffer from like a recency buywhere they're like, oh, he's stuck
to last year, so I'm outthis year. And that's it's a forward
thinking game, and you gotta thinkDebo returns to form. Now there's gonna
be some target competition there. Right, there's George Kiddle, there is Brandon
You, there's Christian McCaffrey. Butto your point, Shanahan wants to run

(35:15):
that offense through Deebo Samuel and rightfullyso. So I think he's being drafted
much later than he should be.Yeah, yeah, I agree, I
agree. I mean, you know, you say only you know, forty
two rushing attempts. You know,there's there was two unicorns last year,
Curtis Samuel and him. Curtis Samuelhad thirty eight rushing attempts UM two,
Debo's forty two. But after that, like the next highest was like Ceedee

(35:37):
Lamb with ten rushing a tams youknow, so he's you know, he's
Yeah, So they use them inthat role so frequently that now you're hearing
of other teams talking about the DeeboSamuel role, right, you know what
I mean, like he invented it, like it's his own thing. Um
Yeah, so yeah, man,it's it's he's he's drafted too low.

(35:58):
He's a guy that could find himselfright back in the first second round conversation,
next year, um, a newface, a new team. I
guess, same face, new team. DJ Moore last year over one hundred
recept was it one hundred? Overone hundred targets last year? Sixty three
receptions, almost nine hundred yards,seven touchdowns for DJ Moore and a UM,

(36:19):
I don't know how to say itany better but a shitty Carolina offense.
Yeah, you know you mentioned JustinFields in the last episode that you
know you think he could, youknow, at least he's in the running
for maybe an MVP race. Ifthat's the case, DJ Moore, M
DJ Moore should should get you happy. I am a big DJ Moore fan

(36:40):
this year, which again you seethe Packers helmet in the back that hurts
to say. I've always loved DJMoore to begin with. I actually,
uh just yesterday published my team previewfor the Bears, and I just I
just plugged it into a website.Now. I wrote eight hundred and sixty
six words on DJ Moore not toolong ago, every single one of them

(37:02):
glowing very excited about DJ Moore.The long story short is he's produced as
a high end wide receiver in thepast, playing with you know, washed
up Cam Newton, Sam Darnold,PJ. Walker, just a bunch of
not great options at quarterback, andnow he's going to a Bears offense that

(37:25):
we talked in the last episode howbullish I am on Justin Fields. Granted,
most of that is because of himbeing a runner, but the Bears
wouldn't have made the acquisition if theydidn't plan on featuring or using him.
Right, he was a part ofthe pick for that first he was part
of the trade for that first overallpick. It's you know, I did
a little bit of math, andeven if the Bears throw closer to league

(37:50):
averages and he secures a twenty percenttarget share, he's still get He's getting
one hundred plus targets. His ADPhas been falling a little bit over the
last few weeks, which I thinkis good because he was he was priced
pretty expensively earlier in the year.But man, if it's one of those
things where if everything clicks, likeif that offense clicks, if Justin Fields

(38:13):
takes a step forward, DJ Moorebeing a top twelve wide receiver is within
his realistic range of possible outcomes.It's not necessarily a pipe train, you
know, Yeah, yeah, Idon't disagree. I think where is what's
his ADP right now? Dj Moore, his ADP is around forty six,
yeah, forty seven yea um,I'm yeah, yeah, I mean,

(38:37):
I'm okay. Actually on sleeper,he's going around fifty three, so we're
talking fifth round. I love Ilove the upside there for that if you
can get like there are times whereyou can get let's say, for example,
like it you can get um AustinEkeler or or buy Jean Robinson plus

(39:01):
Nick Chubb or Jonathan Taylor se QuonBarkley. You get two of those running
backs. And then if you usethe next three rounds on wide receiver and
you get DJ Moore as your widereceiver three in the fifth round. Yeah,
that's an insane amount of side rightthere. Sure, Yeah, no,
I agree, I agree, Ilike it. I like it.
I mean, and like we saidlast, I think we both agreed.

(39:22):
You know, last episode we said, you know, if if you know,
the Bears have to think like wedon't want to be dead last and
past past attempts, we don't wantto do that again, like literal totally,
Yeah, you have to. Andhe's gonna contract year isn't he Oh
no, he re uped. No, no, no, he re upped
with uh Carolina, never mind allthings. Chase Claypool, Darnell Mooney,

(39:46):
and Cole Comet, they're all incontract years, but DJ Moore is under
contract for through twenty twenty five.Okay, are you taking DeAndre Hopkins before
DJ Moore? But to that point, they're not going to trade for DJ
Moore with that contract and like notthrowing the ball. Um. Yeah,
I've taken DeAndre Hopkins over DJ More. Um, but I've I've I've also

(40:08):
done it in reverse. So Ihope I have them in the same tier
on my rankings because yeah, they'reright next to each other. Yeah,
fair enough. Uh, you're draftingredraft right now? You have the one
oh one? What are you doingPPR or half PR? I Ah,

(40:35):
I've had it plenty of times.I've done like one hundred plus drafts already.
I go back and forth between JustinJefferson and Christian McCaffrey every single time.
Jefferson I think is the better optionall around. McCaffrey has the appeal
of the whole supply and demand ofrunning back and how quickly you run out
of running backs, you know whatI mean, Like, if you're drafting

(40:58):
in the back half of fantasy draftsthis year, which, by the way,
my favorite draft spot is like teneleven, twelve. I love being
back there because you get two runningbacks that could be like the running back
this year. But if you're draftingin the front, it's pretty much Christian
McCaffrey, or you're stuck with likeRemondre Stevenson, Tony Pollard, Breeze Hall,

(41:21):
a lot of those guys we alreadytalked about that, or Josh Jacobs,
a lot of those guys that tome, there's that's not as much
of a sure thing, is Ithink people think it is. You know
what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally all right, Mikey,
I think that, Uh, we'redefinitely gonna have you on again before
I let you go basement brewed ffdot com. If you guys go,

(41:44):
I'll let Mikey give his pitch ina second. But if you guys,
I'll kind of do a half asspitch and you can shine it up for
me. Um sounds good. Basementbrewed dot com. You get rankings,
there's uh, you know, there'sjust a subscription thing that you can get
a draft kit and all this otherstuff. Uh, there's subscriber leagues that
you can join that are really fun. Um and yet well oh yeah yeah,

(42:08):
and if you use ESF if yousign up for one, if you're
subscribed and you sign up, youget ten percent off by using EESF to
twenty twenty three to make sure youdo that. Um oh, heat maps
are awesome too. That was now, Now you take what I just gave
you, and yeah, polish itup a little bit, thanks man,
appreciate it. So the yeah,Dale mentioned the draft kits, draft guidance,

(42:30):
draft cheat sheets, whatever we wantto call them, rankings tears shows
you know where my ranking stack upto ADP. So it's easily color coded
that way. The biggest thing withthe draft kits is that I write a
thorough play twenty twenty three player previewfor literally every single player on every single
team in fantasy football. I toldyou I wrote eight hundred plus words on

(42:52):
DJ Moore. I'm doing that forChase Brown, the third running back on
the Bengals, So literally any playeryou want to know, I have a
whole preview you there. During theseason, Dale mentioned the heat maps.
That's my bread and Butter resource.That's the one that kind of started my
entire business. Long story short,that's going to give you a thorough detailed

(43:12):
analysis of every single player's matchup everysingle week, So you're always going to
know who you want to start,who you want to sit, who you
want to add, who you wantto drop, who you want to stream,
everything like that for every single playerevery single week. And yeah,
like Dale said, man, it'sit's the cost is already less than one
beer per month, and if youuse promo code EESF twenty twenty three,

(43:37):
you're going to get another ten percentoff the already discounted early bird discount price
until August. So yeah, man, I appreciate you. Hey, I
appreciate you having me on, butI also appreciate you given it a shout
out. Like I said, Icouldn't I couldn't have gotten to this point
without you guys helping me out inthe beginning. So it's kind of cool
watching this all come full circle,no problem. I mean, I think

(43:59):
in the United States you're something likeone hundred million podcast listeners, um,
and so I mean we're pretty closeto that on you know, per episode
here. Um, So you're gonnaget it. It's gonna be a lout.
Yeah. I think we're a lastepisode. I think we got up
to like four million downloads. Umyeah, yeah pretty good. Right,
that's not bad man. Yeah.I mean I'm actually looking at you trying

(44:20):
to figure out if you're like messingwith me or not. Yeah, it's
gonna say because there's only like onlybut there's forty million people in America that
play football, and I'm like,dude, you guys got four million,
but you would see uh yeah,no, I'd have gold plaques behind me.
Um. I would not have timefor you, Mikey. If I

(44:42):
was forgular at many subscribers, Iwould tell you to kick rocks and find
another shitty podcast to be on.Fair enough. No, no, uh
Mikey again. Man, I appreciateyou and your mustache joining us today.
Um, guys, if you needto get into with me, join the
Eat Nation private group on Facebook.Make sure you go to Twitter at eat

(45:05):
sleep f F to contact us.If you need to get in touch with
Clayton, you probably shouldn't. Um, he's no good, but you'll hear
from you. Don't want to getsick either, Yeah, yeah, it's
who look there's wildfires up there.Um, I'm pretty sure they still have
COVID there. Yeah, thanks forthat. By the way, Canada,
Chicago and Milwaukee were so smoky,So yeah, thanks a lot. That's

(45:25):
Clayton's fault at all. It's he. I'm pretty sure he did it.
He was starting I heard, Iheard that. I'm just glad. Yeah
again, guys, I appreciate youlistening. Thank you our guest Mikey Heninger.
What your Twitter is at something atb b f F Mikey b b
f F Mikey. Um, don'tsend them any kind of dicktics. And

(45:47):
by the way, it's Mikey withno C. It's unbelievable how many human
beings believe Mikey is spelt like Mickeym I c K E Welling. It's
unreal, Like I get so manyemails Hey Mickey, and it's like not
not correct. But if you ifyou spell Mikey with a CE, don't
don't ever listen to this podcast again. Yeah. What I think happens is
that they don't expect a grown assman to be to go by Mikey,

(46:12):
so they think it's Mickey. That'swhat I if I didn't know you.
I'm not gonna be honest with you. I don't trust men with kid names.
That's um. You know Tommy Mikey. Um. You know. Let
this though, let me ask youthis. If I told me my name
was Michael, does that seem rightto you? Way more professional? Oh
no, no, no, knowingyou No, That's what I'm saying.

(46:32):
You are a Mikey for sure,exactly, totally like look at look at
my backdrop. Dude, I'm inlike a kid's I almost just said a
kid's bedroom. So this podcast isweird. This is like this is what
my bedroom looked like when I waslike eight years old, is what I'm
saying, right, sure? Yeahyeah, um, now now you have
I can't believe I said that withthe mustache. Dude. I know.
If Chris Hansen is listening, yeah, I'm look, I'm really don't know

(46:57):
this guy. I'm going to Canadaright now, Clayton make room again.
Thanks man, I appreciate you alwaysawesome, good content, a ton of
knowledge. You guys shoul check outthis website basm brudef dot com. Appreciate
you, man, I'll talk toyou soon. Thanks for everybody listening.
Thanks for having me man, itwas a fun little uh. It felt
like a homecoming. I appreciate it. Here you go, There you go

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