December 4, 2024 • 43 mins
Given the current state of the world, we've been put into a position where things have lost jobs or lost in other areas of life. The panel discusses how to make the most of things when hard things come your way.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, folks, this is Charles max Wood and I just
wanted to dive in real quick and talk for a
minute about this episode. It was recorded for the Ifreak Show,
so the panel is going to be a little bit
different from whom you're usually accustomed to hearing. However, it
seemed rather timely to put this out since we were
talking about how to deal with going through tough times
(00:31):
and with everything that's going on in the world, and
with people that I've been talking to that are between jobs.
I just wanted to highlight, Okay, what do you do
when things get hard? So go ahead and have this episode.
Give it a listen, and we'll be back with the
regular panel next week. Hey everybody, and welcome to another
episode of The Ifreak Show. This week honor panel, we
(00:53):
have Sujin Row Hi everyone, Alex Bush Hello, Hello, and Yeah,
this week we had a last minute cancelation with our guests,
so it's going to be the three of us talking,
and we were discussing what topic to discuss, and something
that I've been thinking about a lot lately is with
a coronavirus situation, We're hearing a lot about people losing
(01:13):
their jobs. We're hearing a lot about people taking advantage
of not having to commute. We're also hearing a lot
about people feeling isolated, And in some ways, I've been
looking at it and thinking that in some way, and
I'm not saying that, you know, people getting sick or
dying or anything is a good thing in any way,
(01:35):
but sometimes being put in a situation like this presents
us with certain opportunities. And I wanted to just talk
through that because I think a lot of times people
focus on the bad things that happen instead of focusing
on the opportunities that come of it. For example, just
to back up a little bit, you know, I went
through some stuff last year, you know, basically came under
(01:56):
attack on Twitter. I'm not going to go into the
whole thing, but you know, there was probably some silver
lining there, right It forced me to rethink the way
that I'm doing business and forced me to rethink the
way that I need to be more resilient. I probably
wouldn't be doing some of the initiatives that I'm doing
right now if that hadn't happened. And you know, and
(02:16):
so things like that kind of come back around, and
in a lot of cases, I find that you wind
up in a better spot because of it. So you know,
I'm going to give one example, and yeah, I mean,
if you had a really great job and you were
really comfortable at that job and you lost that job,
one thing that just comes to mind is there might
be something better out there for you, And this might
(02:37):
be a blessing in disguise where you actually, you know,
have the opportunity to go and see if there's something
that's a better fit that you can actually line up.
And you know, if not, then hopefully this thing comes
back in time for you to not run out of
money and your company where you were working comes back
and says, well, now that the economy is clicking along again,
(02:58):
we can hire you back. In the meantime, I mean,
be looking for those opportunities. And that's some of the
stuff that I'm kind of just been thinking about lately.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I would say for me, it kind of coincided with
the virus happening. I was actually laid off even one
month before the whole Wow craziness started and I thought, oh,
you know, this is my time to go and do
my own business now, and then the virus hit, so
I realized, yeah, maybe maybe wait, a little, so I'm
(03:28):
back on the job market. But after talking to a
friend of mine who's he's a very good contractor in London.
He's professional contractor, like doing it for twelve years or
something at this point, no full time jobs, just contracts,
and he kind of and I used to do contracts
(03:49):
mostly too, actually, but the last job was employment, so
he After talking to him and kind of rethinking the
whole situation, I think my takeaway and what I will
be doing from now on and now kind of am
implementing always be on a hunt for a job always,
even after I get I'm talking to a few companies
and I'm far far a loan in the interview process.
(04:11):
Probably hopefully we'll get something soon. But even after I
do that, I'll I will not stop talking to recruiters.
I will not stop interviewing, because then I'm always sharp,
always on my toes, and always kind of up to
date with the market, with the job market in this case.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, I think it's interesting too, you bring that up, Alex,
because in some cases maybe it is an opportunity to
go freelance, right or you were talking about, oh this
is my opportunity to start my business, and maybe it is, right,
I mean right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I mean maybe I just didn't have enough you know,
courage you all right, I fully acknowledge that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, the other thing is is that you can also
just be working on it to set yourself up so
that when the economy starts coming back, right, you can
take advantage of some of that money to start to
move and let people know that your solution's out there
to solve their problem. Right. Another version of this is,
you know, with me, I had done remote conferences for
(05:10):
like five years, and I did the last one in
like twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, and then all of
a sudden this hits and people are coming at me
from all directions, going, hey, you're going to do another
remote conference, And I'm like, yeah, I ought to. And
so I'm pulling that together, right, I'm just about ready
to launch iOS remote website, right, and so people can
(05:32):
come and join in the fun and you know, learn.
Because WWCDC got canceled, they said they're going to do
some kind of digital experience. But I'm seeing that from
a lot of companies, and that varies from we're going
to live stream a handful of the talks to we're
going to post some videos you can watch whenever to
We're going to try and put on a full on
conference online. And with some of the bigger companies, it's
(05:55):
starting to look more like they're just going to pre
record a whole bunch of content and drop it on
the internet. And so, you know, for a lot of folks,
they want that interaction. And so I'm going, Okay, well,
I'll put on the iOS or remote conference and let
people know that it's out there. And you know, I mean,
(06:16):
I'm not expecting to get rich off it, but it's
going to float me for a little while. I mean,
JavaScript remote conference, I've already sold, you know, a bunch
of tickets and I haven't even announced all the speakers yet.
And so, you know, just finding opportunities like that where
you can, even in a small way, you know, get
a side hustle going to support everything while you figure
(06:37):
stuff out. Suji, and you also mentioned that you had
been working on like a side project that you found
some time too because you didn't have to commute. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh yeah, Actually, so after my episode, after so I
came on this i FIXT show it as a guest
for the first time. Regarding aokid and so after that
at so actually there was in the midst of me
getting a new job. So actually I moved from South
(07:08):
Korea to Singapore, and so I had like a month
in between. And then even after I came to Singapore
and started, we immediately I started immediately working from home,
so looking from home and so so saving a lot
(07:28):
of like commute times and also because of the virus,
staying home in the weekends, so I had a lot
of free time. So so I just worked on a
really small open source using air kits and it was
really fun. So it was my actually my first open
source project and it was really fun.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, And that's another area that you know I've been
thinking about is yeah, you know, take some time to
contribute open source, or take some time to learn a
new skill. You know, where Alex is talking about looking
for a job. I mean it could coincide with both, right,
go figure out what you need to learn in order
to get that job you want and then go pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I am literally just deep in learning algorithms, like finally, finally,
I need to learn that stuff like binary search, traversal
something something breadth first whatever they want yep, and I
never ever ever learned that ever in school. They never
(08:30):
gave it to me. I never needed that at work,
and I kind of it's been a pain, I guess
what I'm trying to say throughout my career.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
And now I'm like, all right, fine, I'll learn it
and I have time for that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right. Yeah. By the way, if that's something you're running into,
there's a really great program called interview Cake. Yeah, I'll
put a link into the chat but and that way
it can show up in the show notes. It is
an affiliate link, I will admit, but they're probably one
of the best places I've seen to actually go and
(09:04):
pick up this kind of information. So, in fact, just
go to devchat dot tv slash interview Cake and I'll
make that work. So anyway, it's just it's a really
terrific product, and they walk you through all that stuff
that's just basically a course. But then you can show
up to the interview and have that stuff fresh, because
(09:25):
I mean, I learned it in college, but that was
fifteen years ago, right. Another thing that I've been talking
to a lot of people about is a lot of
folks feel like, you know, this is the opportunity for
them to make a course or write a book or
things like that. And some people feel like, oh, well,
I'm going to make a course for something like plural
(09:46):
Site or Ray Wenderlick or something like that. A lot
of those folks, I don't know what race process is.
But pural Site actually makes you submit an application and
go through the process and blah blah blah blah. Right,
there's a the program that I really like called the
Course Creator Pro and I bought it and I'm working
on a podcasting course using their method, and I'll put
(10:09):
a link to that in the show notes as well
as I've put shortcuts in for this because people keep
asking for it. But it's devchat dot tv slash CCP
for Course Creator Pro. And yeah, they walked it through
the whole process of filming a course, recording your screen
the whole nine yards, editing it, getting it posted, hosting
it on teachable, doing the Facebook ads to drive people
(10:32):
into it. I mean, it's it. It does the whole thing.
It gives you the whole system, including the marketing. So
if you don't know, if you're like, well, i could
build the course, but I'm not how to sell it.
I don't know how to sell it. But well, there
you go, right. And so if you're you know, if
you're talking about some new technology like Alex's favorite swift
Ui or you know, something like that, in the course,
(10:53):
I mean, you have the opportunity, and if you don't
have anywhere else to be, then yeah, maybe your main
gig is I'm going to spend a few hours, three
four or five six hours looking for a new job,
and then I'm going to spend three or four hours
building a course so that you know, in a month
or something, when I have it all done and I
can plug the the revenue engine into it and the
(11:15):
marketing engine into it, you know, then you start making
some money off of it. And you know, I mean
the courses they're selling, they're selling for one thousand dollars
apiece and have made more than a million dollars in
a year doing it. And I don't know if that's
necessarily realistic for a swift Ui course or whatever, but
you can probably make several thousand enough to pay the bills.
(11:36):
And you know, eat one.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thing too, Like one thing that's really important I think
is so even though we have a lot of time
at our home indoors, I saw. I recently saw research
from like Microsoft. They analyzed their developers like efficiency or
(11:58):
like their work hours after they switched to remote working.
So they actually found out that that people started working
earlier in the morning and then they worked late at night.
So actually, like this's the one thing that I also
felt working from home is the work The distinction between
(12:22):
work and home is blurry. So if you just sit
down and when you have nothing to do, I just
sometimes like go go watch my code and see what
work I have. So actually, like it's really tough to
just when you're working from home, it's really tough to
just let go of the work and do your thing right.
(12:43):
So that's you have to like make like actively work
hard to make some time for your own side projects.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, the work life separation. Yeah, I felt that a
very very much launch a few years ago when I
was just fully freelancing from home.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And that's this is tough. It's brutal.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You cooked up in your room and you you know,
you code all day for work for a work project,
but then you kind of either forget to stop or
you don't know when to stop because like there's a deadline, right,
and especially if you're a freelancer and you paid for
delivery of the project rather than by the hour. Then
it's like you kind of feel sort of afraid. But
(13:31):
maybe I work a little more so that I can
like make it right. I don't know if I stop
now and pick up tomorrow, if I'll finish by the deadline.
Things like that, right, and that starts to creep into
your life.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Brutal, brutal.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah. Another thing interesting with what Sujin brought up was
that a lot of people are really terrible about making boundaries.
And so if you're working from home, all of a sudden,
you know where you work is where you live, and
where you live is where you work, and so you're
walking by work all the time and your brain goes
to that place and then you sit down and you
put in a couple another hour, right, And so.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, I would say what helped helps me back then,
And I can still use that sort of a trick,
brain trick if you will. If you don't have enough
space to like, the best thing is to dedicate a
certain space in your apartment just for work, and then
you know other spaces for leisure. But if you don't
(14:33):
have enough space, do dedicated laptop like if you can
same dedicated laptop just for work and then everything knows
for fun. And the last trick, uh, dress dress up
for work and as you like sit at home even
though you're at home and no one sees you. Right,
(14:54):
But if you dress up kind of like a uniform
for work, right, and you code, and then when you're
but at the time by the clock, let's say five
or five pm, then go and change and here like
comfy pajamas or whatever you have.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
At least you could trick your brain.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Not to like war because now you're in something comfortable,
you're not at work anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So that helped me.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yep, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, so I so at the beginning, I also like
I just walk off from bed and started working. But
I also felt that really so that made me hard
to separate. So as Alex said, I so I always
like get prepared just as I was going to work,
and I just so I think that's helped a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I can just see our listeners thinking pants no pants,
no pants?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Right, I mean why not?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Like whatever the mental flag is for you, that that
switch I actually saying, goes for gym, right, like exercise,
And this is a great opportunity to I mean not
everyone probably has a full on gym at home. Yeah yeah,
and it's closed, but at least like me neither, right,
I don't have any even in the dumbbell right, but
(16:13):
every day I do full shops, crunches, sits like whatever
I can with body weight and same thing. Like, I
would only do that if I'm like put my gym
pencil on basically, like otherwise it's just so hard.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I'm like, eh, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
To yep, I hear that, but yeah, I mean and
and maybe your opportunity is more along those lines right
where it's okay, well I'm going to start a health
habit or something like that, right, you know, I've taken
the opportunity to be like reading to my kids. You know,
we actually played Dungeons and Dragons for an hour on Sunday,
(16:51):
you know, and they'd never played before, right, and it
was fun. Of course, two of my kids are like,
we won't play any again, you know. My other two
kids are like, can we play now? So yeah, it's
it's kind of funny. I might just take over the
So my daughter was h a cleric and they kind
(17:11):
of need a healer with them so I might just
take over the cleric as a you know, as a
player character and just play and DM. But anyway, it's
it's a ton of fun and so yeah, maybe that's
the opportunity. And I think a lot of time, a
lot of this has also just forced people to think
about what's really important to them. And that's not a
(17:32):
bad thing either, right. I mean, it's it's sad that
we're worried about people we care about. But the flip
side is is, yeah, you know, what opportunities are we
getting back? By the way, one other idea I had,
you know, for kind of on the money product front
is writing a book and uh I took. I paid
(17:53):
for a course for that too. And I've actually published
the book. I'm working on updating it because I've found
some issues with it that I'm not particularly happy with,
but it does work. It's actually on finding a job.
I didn't pick this to market the book. In fact,
it occurred to me as I was talking about writing
a book. I was like, oh, yeah, that's kind of
relevant to the other conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But hey, Chuck, can I can I do a selfish
plug in related to jobs too? I actually wrote a
book as well, and it's about iOS interviews. Oh nice,
so kind of same, I guess relevant for people looking
for jobs right now?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Where do they find it?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So it's called the iOS Interview Guide and it's iOS
interview Guide dot com.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Nice. Yeah, mine's a dev chat dot tv slash job book.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Anyway, a good book I read about how to write
a book. It's called Authority by Nathan Nathanberry Nathan Barry.
Thinking now around's convert kit. It's kind of a continuation
of this whole thing that he was doing. Well, fantastic book.
Like I had before writing my own, I had no
(19:01):
clue how to do it, Like for I had basic
questions such as, oh, well, what's the size, like how
many words? How many chapters? What's an average? What do
I need to do? He gives you all of those.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Fantastic Yeah, I remember that book when it came out. Yeah, anyway,
it's good stuff. The system that I followed to uh
to do the book was called Self Publishing School and
the acronym for that is SPS. So I put a
def chat dot tv slash SPS. But yeah, I mean
(19:32):
they walked through the whole process again, you know, as
far as getting it on Amazon, and the whole nine yards,
but also just the process of writing writing it, so
getting it outlined and you know, getting it, getting into
the groove of writing it and editing it and getting
your cover together for it, and the whole nine yards.
And if you join self Publishing School, you can also
join their Facebook group, and so you can get feedback
(19:55):
on all that stuff. Right, So it's like, hey, I've
got these you know, a lot of a lot of
folks did their cover designs on ninety nine designs, right,
and so they got five or six back and so
they you know, everybody's chipping in on everybody's stuff, and
so they get a lot of feedback on the designs
that were put forward and stuff like that. So anyway,
just just really really digging that. But yeah, so I
(20:19):
mean lots of things you can do. If you want
to be a host on this podcast, you can also
email me because we are looking for a couple more
of those. But I mean, yeah, I mean there's there's
a lot of opportunities. There are a lot of ways
to raise your profile, and so yeah, just take advantage
of them.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
One if you can't think of anything else, and other
thing I thought of watch all the DUBWDC videos. Every
year they come out with them, and there's so many,
and I pick maybe if any that I watch, maybe
like one fifth or one six of all of them.
(20:56):
And I always wish someone would just go through them
and make a TLDR article or something, or even a
quick like YouTube video with just highlights.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Oh that's a good idea.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It just please someone do it, because I guess I
was gonna say I don't have time.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
No, I guess I do, so maybe I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But seriously, that's you think it's like recycling rehashing content,
which it is technically, but it's more of a digestionate
like just give me the TLDR. I get, you know,
all the great whatever jokes they want to make in
those videos, but I don't care.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Just give me the meat. So that would be good.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Well, the other angle on that is, and the reason
that it's valuable is I can go get for most
of those talks. Yeah, it's you know, here's kind of
the core content. Right. I can consume that in written
form in like five maybe ten minutes. Right. And the
flip side of it is is that if I get
(21:59):
a tld ARE for something that I really do need
to see and understand from my job.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Then I go pick up the name video and you know,
make it nice.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like if you have a website, like it's just sort
of the extra mile you could go, like have a
page for that, right, yeah, then have this TLDR text
content and maybe like an audio for it as well,
and then the link.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
To the original video.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But worst case, just make a tweet, Like the easiest
content you could publish a tweet.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It's like two eighty characters.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And if the video is stoll on or like too
many valuable points there, make a series of tweets.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I think they let you like publish them in one go.
Now why not?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, have a hashtag like dubwdctldrs twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I don't know, something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, I like that idea.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I think I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
The thing is other like if a lot of people
do this even better.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Well, you get credibility out of it, right, I mean,
if you're looking for a job and you've got that
many people coming to your website and you have a
little note or banner or something that says, by the way,
I'm looking for a job, call here to hire me. Right,
that's just kind of a no brainer. Right. People are
gonna be like, wow, this guy's dedicated. It's the same
thing with podcasts or YouTube videos or blogs or things
(23:22):
like that.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, because like other things, you know, for some of
the sort of ideas we have, you kind of need
expertise or something like that, right, or could least experience,
So not everyone has it. But but again, something like
this is it's kind of like commentary, well not commentary
per se, but close enough.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, you need enough context to understand what's going on.
But generally they're assuming a base level of understanding and
then after that, you know, they don't assume that you know,
like all of the other frameworks backward and forward, they're
just assuming that you know how to you know, basically
put an app together.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You know that there's things like see whatever in one
minute or like whatever in five minutes. Yeah, so something
like that. Yeah, so every time, like every year, like
see the see doynote in five minutes, So see the
session or whatever in like two minutes. Yeah, I think
that's just pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, but's sorry, that's how I consume Google Aisle sessions
because I'm not I don't do Android anymore, but I
still want to know what the competition does. Yeah, yeah,
give me, give me this a in ten minute video
thing and I'll play it on one point seventy five
(24:43):
speed though, Yeah, because I'm glad impatience.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah yeah, one day skip.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And they'll skip like and then skip.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah yeah yeah. One other thing that I'm putting together,
just you know, because of the COVID nineteen is the
meetups and you know, and so just taking advantage of
any of the free training that's coming out for people
or paid training, you know, like the remote conferences. But yeah,
just you know, paying attention to that. You don't actually
have to go anywhere, so all the travel time, all
(25:13):
the travel costs are all taken care of. Another one
that I'm also putting together, and I'm just throwing this
stuff out there just to see where people land with
it is I am putting together and I'm going to
have it up this afternoon. It's coronadev jobs dot Com.
And essentially what it is is it's a get up repo.
(25:35):
You could just go to coronadevjobs dot com. And yeah,
as we're talking, it's not quite up, but it will
be up and so what you can do is you
can submit a pull request with your contact info on
basically your own page, right, so you can write your
own summary or put your own CV or resume on there.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And then.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You know, you put your contact info so the job
our employers can contact you. And then the other end
of it is people who are looking for developers, you know,
the same thing. They can submit a ple request and
list their jobs. And then what I'm hoping to do
is that I want to connect it up to a
(26:19):
Twitter account or something so that when it gets updated, right,
it gets tweeted. I'm still figuring that bit out. But
at the end of the day, you know, then if
a new job gets posted, it's like, hey, there's a
new job. If there's a new job seeker, you know,
then they you know, then they also get tweeted. Right.
And you can put hashtags in for the technologies you're
(26:42):
you're proficient in, right, and so you can put in
you know, iOS or swift or you know whatever realm
And at the end of the day, then people who
are looking for people with those job skills, they can
just come to the website. They can go click on
the hashtag swift and you know they're good to go.
(27:04):
You know, then go look at everybody who's who's put
their information in that says their profession with Swift or
if you're looking for a Swift job, you can click
that that same link and it'll also list all the
jobs that are available.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
MM. I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And you know, I'm just throwing it together on gridsome,
so I'm not doing anything that fancy. Probably take me
an entire hour and a half to get it all
put together, and then I'll have to set up to
get hooked so that it tweets. But that's it.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Can I be number one on the list?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You can, but it'll cost you. You'll have to help
me accept pole requests. That's what it'll cost you.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I mean I'm an unemployed I can labor, I guess.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah. I mean that's the deal, right, is that I'm
going to have to accept poor requests. I'm gonna have
to have some mechanism for doing that. But the nice
thing is is I'm just gonna throw it at Netlify
and Netlifi will do the the builds on the poll
requests and so as long as they're legit, you know,
as long as they build properly. When I can merge them,
(28:08):
then it'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Netli If I is such a such a pleasure to
work with, Yes, it is. Lately I've been like published
and just plain old HTML pages.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Oh fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah. Yeah, Gridsom's just a static site generator built with view.
So but for example, friend of mine, Ryan Florence, who's
in the React world, you know, he runs React training
dot com. Well, people aren't hiring React trainers at the moment,
and so he had to lay a bunch of people
off because he just he couldn't he didn't have payroll
for him, he couldn't pay him. And so he's like, hey,
(28:42):
somebody hire these people. And I'm sitting there going, yeah,
there's got to be a better way than a tweet
that's going to be gone in two hours, right, And
so once I have that up, I'm gonna go ping
him and a bunch of other folks who have you know,
essentially said hey, I lost my job, and I'm just
gonna be like, look, you know, let's let's help these
folks jobs. Right. If your employers you know, is looking,
(29:03):
then let's do it. But yeah, and so there are
opportunities to help serve too. And if that's an opportunity
you want to take advantage of, you know, do that.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Also, I would say, well, I mean we talked about it.
Educate yourself, but specifically since we're in this remote situation,
I highly recommend reading Remote by.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Thirty seven Signals. I think base Camp Now.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Jason Freed and David Heidemyer Hansen. Yep, good book.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Great book.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I think it's how I want to say, seven years old,
if not more, but still relevant.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Very relevant. The situation really hasn't changed. There's just more
people working from home now because they don't have a choice.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
So right, and we have better tools like Zoom.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, yeah, there have been issues with Zoom though I
know at least a couple of people have had their
Zoom accounts hacked. So but part of me wonders because
they are not tech people. The people that I know
that had there, I can't act. I'm wondering if they
just had like a password that's like my name one,
two three or something.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
That's that's my mom. I had to rescue her.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, I really had a chance to rethink, rethink remote work.
So prior I really didn't believe like remote work is
like a really valid form of work because because it's
like because I just think, like face like face to
face communication is really important, and I just couldn't possibly
(30:36):
imagine how everyone like people, how people from all over
the world. You know, there are some companies they're all
in companies just don't have office, right, I forgot the name,
but there's a really famous company that that I think notion,
I know no name for mind, so I think so anyway,
But then yeah, and also I don't trust myself working
(30:58):
remote because I I like fool around too much, and
like that is right behind me. So like when I
was a student, right before getting a real job, I
just when I was doing some projects, I just like
every ten minutes, I go jumping back to my bed.
So I really thought like remote work wouldn't work for me,
(31:20):
but it does. It did, So so this is another
like this opens up a big door for me in
the future. So now I can imagine myself like being
like a being like a freelancing or even just getting
a remote job so I can be anywhere, I can
(31:41):
travel and work at the same time. So I think, yeah,
it's just opened up like a new possibility for me.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's actually a good point. I think kind of there's
blessing in disguise if you will right, could be for
a lot of people exactly that, like you know, just
like you, they would realize, you know, oh that's actually doable,
and I can so maybe even after the whole virus
thing's gone, well, just keep doing remote and then maybe
(32:10):
go travel or whatnot. Like myself, I want to visit Singapore,
so I really need a remote jump for that, because
why not?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Definitely definitely is it if when this goal goes away?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Another thing which I already kind of touched upon, but
I think it's important for everyone do exercise just like
something yep. Do like gym's closed. Yeah, I know, but
I don't know. I even before this, probably like the
last six months, I actually switched to exercising every day,
(32:51):
like going to gym every day. It was incredibly hard
for the first two months, just like mental, you know,
because I'd be so tired the next day and all sore,
but I still would drag myself there. And now I'm like,
I can't imagine not doing that. That's just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So again another opportunity if you got nothing else to do.
Why not do like ten push ups if you can
then do ten more.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah. Well, I go jogging down the jogging trail and yeah,
you know, I pass within six feet of people because
it's not that wide. But you know, I mean hold
your breath, I guess. But you know, I think most
of the concern is over you know, touching surfaces that
other people are touching and you know, prolonged contacts.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So yeah, I think maybe the next episode we could
talk about how to make handmade at home gloves and
masks or something.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I'm not there yet, maybe next step.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So yeah, somebody should write a pandemic or organizer app,
you know, the organizers people, so that it's like, yeah,
we need we need ten thousand more ventilators. And I
mean I saw a hack. What was it? Anyway, there
was an article where somebody put out that, you know,
(34:16):
we let's let's make a design an open source ventilation.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
So that wasn't it? The what is it? The three
D printer type of thing?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, And I'm.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Fascinating if it could work well.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Even if even if it got to the point where
it was how do I put it? And I'm looking
it up at the same time, but I think it
was on Indie Hacker or hacka Day anyway, So yeah,
I think it was Indie hacker anyway. So the idea
was that, yeah, you know, we have people out there
(34:51):
with with you know, with three D printers in their house,
so yeah, you know, why not open source the so
that if we need them, then it's like, hey, we're
going to print all the parts that we need. And
then you know, I mean even if we got ninety
percent the way there, right, and so we just had
to like legit manufacture a handful of parts. Yeah, anyway,
(35:14):
it's it's it's pretty pretty interesting. So but yeah, there
are a whole bunch of people who have come out
and jumped on different projects to try and make it work.
So what I'm finding is hacker noon. So I'll just
put a link to that insurance. But yeah, I mean,
you know, turn turn your expertise to the to the
problems at hand.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, I think I'm out of ideas.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah I am too, But there are so many opportunities.
I mean, whether it's you know, building a business or
building a product, or whether it's you know, going out
and getting involved in some of this other stuff or
leveling up your skills. I mean, you know, it's it
feels like a massive waste to just sit around and
watch Netflix and hope that this all comes back because
(35:57):
we don't know when, we don't know how. We're hoping
to soon, but at the end of the day, I mean,
you know, we just don't know. And so go work out,
get ripped like Alex and you know, and and then
spend the rest of your time, you know, doing something
that's going to make a difference for you or for
somebody else.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Don't tweet, don't match.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'm tweeting a lot. Yeah, all right, well it sounds
like we kind of exhausted this, so let's let's go
ahead and do picks. Suji, do you want to start
us with picks?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah? Okay. Past week, I found the game Monuments Value two.
So unless you I don't know if you guys heard
of it. It's like I played Monument Value one like
a few years ago, but I found out the two
came out and then it's on sale. It's like it's
(36:51):
on discount, so it's free right now. So it's actually
like four or five dollars the original game. But so
it's like it's a really cool game. It's it's like
it's like the optical illusion game. So you know, like
the penuse triangle, like the triangle looks like yeah, and
then also like the staircase, it looks like you're going up,
(37:13):
but then when you when you do a full circle,
then you're back to where you are. So it's the
game is like game is like that. So the pieces
move around you. You tweet the world, so the character
can go from here to there, but you never thought
they could because like it's physically impossible. But it's all
tweaked and so I so I downloaded that and I
(37:37):
played that this weekend. It was really fun. So yeah,
go try go try the game. It's really exciting. It's
and it's really not It doesn't take long to finish
the whole game, so it's it's a really good Uh,
it was a really good time.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, Sudian took the whole day off on Sunday to
do that. I'm just kidding. I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Takes like that's like one hour. But if you're if
you're used to it, so is it gets it as
a proceed it kind of gets hard. It's like a
puzzle game. It's like a three D puzzle game with
optical illusion stuff. That's really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, I played Monument Valley. I saw it on House
of Cards I think, and I was like, that was
really cool game. Yeah, and so I'm sure, I'm sure
they paid for that product placement, but you got me
to get the game. Yeah, it worked, made them dollars. Yeah,
it's a cool game. I didn't know that there was
a Monument Valley two out, so yeah, I might have
(38:38):
to check that out. Alex, what are your picks?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Since we're picking games, I will pick Stelaris. It's uh,
what's the what's the genre or type of game? I
think it's called like a grand strategy game by Paradox.
They make well other grand strategy games. I think you're
over Universalis is another are like the most famous one Stilarisis.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You pick.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's like in space basically, it's like you develop your empire.
You just your your people, just made interstellar travel possible,
and you expand and concord universe.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Uh So you could pick and customize your species and
your government type however you want their gazelle enough choices,
you could be like a full on democracy, uh with
with everything is egalitarian, or you could could be what
is it called just start Consciousness or something like that,
basically hive mind any and any any variation in between.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Has good graphics actually.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
And my my old laptop doesn't give me a lot
of luxury to like enjoy the view. But overall it's
a very good game, and it's a it's not turned
per se, but you could stop the kind of playback
if youel or or stop the time and then do
(40:07):
all the pick the commands and do all the management
and then unpause the game again.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Right, I think I just found it on Steam. Good deal. Well,
I am going to pick not a game, so I
want to remind people about iOS remote comp That's all
I'm going to say. I'm probably going to try and
hold it around the beginning of June to kind of
replace your alt comp slash WWDC experience. I know that
(40:34):
Apple will be releasing stuff around then too, so I'm
probably going to try and not do it exactly on
top of it. But and then the other pick I
have so a couple of weeks ago, and this is
what really got me thinking about this, I did a
podcast interview with my friend Manny Veya and he has
(40:55):
a business where he summarizes books, and I've had him
on JavaScript Jawa a couple of times. We've talked about
like mental toughness and social skills and things like that.
This time we talked about entrepreneurship, and it seemed pretty timely,
you know, as people were starting to settle into or
climb the walls because of being stuck at home and
(41:16):
you know, and that's where it was like, well, you know, yeah,
you know, if you if you got laid off or something,
or even if you didn't, you could start a side hustle.
So I'm going to put a link to the episode
that we did for that show, and then you can
check it out. I'm also going to how do I
(41:37):
put it? I'm going to share with you the discount code.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Don't tell him, don't tell him I did this.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
So if you go to devchat, dot tv slash hustle
and you use the coupon code hustle. I think it
was like thirty or forty percent off. I can't remember
exactly how much it was off. It was less than
thirty percent. Don't blame me, I don't remember, but it was.
It was a lot more off than I thought it
would be so dev chat dot tv, slash Hustle and
then use the coupon code hustle and you'll get like
a chunk of change off. And yeah, we just talked
(42:09):
about running businesses and running a side hustle and all
that stuff, and you know, he runs a business and
so do I and so it was kind of interesting
to see where that ended up. So yeah, just just
great stuff. And yeah, if you're looking for some options,
I mean, if you're stuck without a job for two
(42:30):
or three months, you're gonna want something. And if it
takes you a month to ramp it up, even if
you're doing that part time looking for a job part time,
you know, I just want to put people in the
best situation they can be in. And that way, when
this does come back, you know that, then you can
make a call as to how you want to move forward.
So anyway, so yeah, so check that episode out and then,
(42:54):
like I said, dev Chat, dot tv, slash Hustle. All right,
well good luck with your job search, Alex. Thank you
and hang in there guys, And to our listener, we
will be back next week. And if you want to
be a host on the show, you can send me
a DM on Twitter, C Max w.
Hey, folks, this is Charles max Wood and I just
wanted to dive in real quick and talk for a
minute about this episode. It was recorded for the Ifreak Show,
so the panel is going to be a little bit
different from whom you're usually accustomed to hearing. However, it
seemed rather timely to put this out since we were
talking about how to deal with going through tough times
(00:31):
and with everything that's going on in the world, and
with people that I've been talking to that are between jobs.
I just wanted to highlight, Okay, what do you do
when things get hard? So go ahead and have this episode.
Give it a listen, and we'll be back with the
regular panel next week. Hey everybody, and welcome to another
episode of The Ifreak Show. This week honor panel, we
(00:53):
have Sujin Row Hi everyone, Alex Bush Hello, Hello, and Yeah,
this week we had a last minute cancelation with our guests,
so it's going to be the three of us talking,
and we were discussing what topic to discuss, and something
that I've been thinking about a lot lately is with
a coronavirus situation, We're hearing a lot about people losing
(01:13):
their jobs. We're hearing a lot about people taking advantage
of not having to commute. We're also hearing a lot
about people feeling isolated, And in some ways, I've been
looking at it and thinking that in some way, and
I'm not saying that, you know, people getting sick or
dying or anything is a good thing in any way,
(01:35):
but sometimes being put in a situation like this presents
us with certain opportunities. And I wanted to just talk
through that because I think a lot of times people
focus on the bad things that happen instead of focusing
on the opportunities that come of it. For example, just
to back up a little bit, you know, I went
through some stuff last year, you know, basically came under
(01:56):
attack on Twitter. I'm not going to go into the
whole thing, but you know, there was probably some silver
lining there, right It forced me to rethink the way
that I'm doing business and forced me to rethink the
way that I need to be more resilient. I probably
wouldn't be doing some of the initiatives that I'm doing
right now if that hadn't happened. And you know, and
(02:16):
so things like that kind of come back around, and
in a lot of cases, I find that you wind
up in a better spot because of it. So you know,
I'm going to give one example, and yeah, I mean,
if you had a really great job and you were
really comfortable at that job and you lost that job,
one thing that just comes to mind is there might
be something better out there for you, And this might
(02:37):
be a blessing in disguise where you actually, you know,
have the opportunity to go and see if there's something
that's a better fit that you can actually line up.
And you know, if not, then hopefully this thing comes
back in time for you to not run out of
money and your company where you were working comes back
and says, well, now that the economy is clicking along again,
(02:58):
we can hire you back. In the meantime, I mean,
be looking for those opportunities. And that's some of the
stuff that I'm kind of just been thinking about lately.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I would say for me, it kind of coincided with
the virus happening. I was actually laid off even one
month before the whole Wow craziness started and I thought, oh,
you know, this is my time to go and do
my own business now, and then the virus hit, so
I realized, yeah, maybe maybe wait, a little, so I'm
(03:28):
back on the job market. But after talking to a
friend of mine who's he's a very good contractor in London.
He's professional contractor, like doing it for twelve years or
something at this point, no full time jobs, just contracts,
and he kind of and I used to do contracts
(03:49):
mostly too, actually, but the last job was employment, so
he After talking to him and kind of rethinking the
whole situation, I think my takeaway and what I will
be doing from now on and now kind of am
implementing always be on a hunt for a job always,
even after I get I'm talking to a few companies
and I'm far far a loan in the interview process.
(04:11):
Probably hopefully we'll get something soon. But even after I
do that, I'll I will not stop talking to recruiters.
I will not stop interviewing, because then I'm always sharp,
always on my toes, and always kind of up to
date with the market, with the job market in this case.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, I think it's interesting too, you bring that up, Alex,
because in some cases maybe it is an opportunity to
go freelance, right or you were talking about, oh this
is my opportunity to start my business, and maybe it is, right,
I mean right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I mean maybe I just didn't have enough you know,
courage you all right, I fully acknowledge that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, the other thing is is that you can also
just be working on it to set yourself up so
that when the economy starts coming back, right, you can
take advantage of some of that money to start to
move and let people know that your solution's out there
to solve their problem. Right. Another version of this is,
you know, with me, I had done remote conferences for
(05:10):
like five years, and I did the last one in
like twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, and then all of
a sudden this hits and people are coming at me
from all directions, going, hey, you're going to do another
remote conference, And I'm like, yeah, I ought to. And
so I'm pulling that together, right, I'm just about ready
to launch iOS remote website, right, and so people can
(05:32):
come and join in the fun and you know, learn.
Because WWCDC got canceled, they said they're going to do
some kind of digital experience. But I'm seeing that from
a lot of companies, and that varies from we're going
to live stream a handful of the talks to we're
going to post some videos you can watch whenever to
We're going to try and put on a full on
conference online. And with some of the bigger companies, it's
(05:55):
starting to look more like they're just going to pre
record a whole bunch of content and drop it on
the internet. And so, you know, for a lot of folks,
they want that interaction. And so I'm going, Okay, well,
I'll put on the iOS or remote conference and let
people know that it's out there. And you know, I mean,
(06:16):
I'm not expecting to get rich off it, but it's
going to float me for a little while. I mean,
JavaScript remote conference, I've already sold, you know, a bunch
of tickets and I haven't even announced all the speakers yet.
And so, you know, just finding opportunities like that where
you can, even in a small way, you know, get
a side hustle going to support everything while you figure
(06:37):
stuff out. Suji, and you also mentioned that you had
been working on like a side project that you found
some time too because you didn't have to commute. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh yeah, Actually, so after my episode, after so I
came on this i FIXT show it as a guest
for the first time. Regarding aokid and so after that
at so actually there was in the midst of me
getting a new job. So actually I moved from South
(07:08):
Korea to Singapore, and so I had like a month
in between. And then even after I came to Singapore
and started, we immediately I started immediately working from home,
so looking from home and so so saving a lot
(07:28):
of like commute times and also because of the virus,
staying home in the weekends, so I had a lot
of free time. So so I just worked on a
really small open source using air kits and it was
really fun. So it was my actually my first open
source project and it was really fun.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, And that's another area that you know I've been
thinking about is yeah, you know, take some time to
contribute open source, or take some time to learn a
new skill. You know, where Alex is talking about looking
for a job. I mean it could coincide with both, right,
go figure out what you need to learn in order
to get that job you want and then go pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I am literally just deep in learning algorithms, like finally, finally,
I need to learn that stuff like binary search, traversal
something something breadth first whatever they want yep, and I
never ever ever learned that ever in school. They never
(08:30):
gave it to me. I never needed that at work,
and I kind of it's been a pain, I guess
what I'm trying to say throughout my career.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
And now I'm like, all right, fine, I'll learn it
and I have time for that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right. Yeah. By the way, if that's something you're running into,
there's a really great program called interview Cake. Yeah, I'll
put a link into the chat but and that way
it can show up in the show notes. It is
an affiliate link, I will admit, but they're probably one
of the best places I've seen to actually go and
(09:04):
pick up this kind of information. So, in fact, just
go to devchat dot tv slash interview Cake and I'll
make that work. So anyway, it's just it's a really
terrific product, and they walk you through all that stuff
that's just basically a course. But then you can show
up to the interview and have that stuff fresh, because
(09:25):
I mean, I learned it in college, but that was
fifteen years ago, right. Another thing that I've been talking
to a lot of people about is a lot of
folks feel like, you know, this is the opportunity for
them to make a course or write a book or
things like that. And some people feel like, oh, well,
I'm going to make a course for something like plural
(09:46):
Site or Ray Wenderlick or something like that. A lot
of those folks, I don't know what race process is.
But pural Site actually makes you submit an application and
go through the process and blah blah blah blah. Right,
there's a the program that I really like called the
Course Creator Pro and I bought it and I'm working
on a podcasting course using their method, and I'll put
(10:09):
a link to that in the show notes as well
as I've put shortcuts in for this because people keep
asking for it. But it's devchat dot tv slash CCP
for Course Creator Pro. And yeah, they walked it through
the whole process of filming a course, recording your screen
the whole nine yards, editing it, getting it posted, hosting
it on teachable, doing the Facebook ads to drive people
(10:32):
into it. I mean, it's it. It does the whole thing.
It gives you the whole system, including the marketing. So
if you don't know, if you're like, well, i could
build the course, but I'm not how to sell it.
I don't know how to sell it. But well, there
you go, right. And so if you're you know, if
you're talking about some new technology like Alex's favorite swift
Ui or you know, something like that, in the course,
(10:53):
I mean, you have the opportunity, and if you don't
have anywhere else to be, then yeah, maybe your main
gig is I'm going to spend a few hours, three
four or five six hours looking for a new job,
and then I'm going to spend three or four hours
building a course so that you know, in a month
or something, when I have it all done and I
can plug the the revenue engine into it and the
(11:15):
marketing engine into it, you know, then you start making
some money off of it. And you know, I mean
the courses they're selling, they're selling for one thousand dollars
apiece and have made more than a million dollars in
a year doing it. And I don't know if that's
necessarily realistic for a swift Ui course or whatever, but
you can probably make several thousand enough to pay the bills.
(11:36):
And you know, eat one.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thing too, Like one thing that's really important I think
is so even though we have a lot of time
at our home indoors, I saw. I recently saw research
from like Microsoft. They analyzed their developers like efficiency or
(11:58):
like their work hours after they switched to remote working.
So they actually found out that that people started working
earlier in the morning and then they worked late at night.
So actually, like this's the one thing that I also
felt working from home is the work The distinction between
(12:22):
work and home is blurry. So if you just sit
down and when you have nothing to do, I just
sometimes like go go watch my code and see what
work I have. So actually, like it's really tough to
just when you're working from home, it's really tough to
just let go of the work and do your thing right.
(12:43):
So that's you have to like make like actively work
hard to make some time for your own side projects.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, the work life separation. Yeah, I felt that a
very very much launch a few years ago when I
was just fully freelancing from home.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And that's this is tough. It's brutal.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You cooked up in your room and you you know,
you code all day for work for a work project,
but then you kind of either forget to stop or
you don't know when to stop because like there's a deadline, right,
and especially if you're a freelancer and you paid for
delivery of the project rather than by the hour. Then
it's like you kind of feel sort of afraid. But
(13:31):
maybe I work a little more so that I can
like make it right. I don't know if I stop
now and pick up tomorrow, if I'll finish by the deadline.
Things like that, right, and that starts to creep into
your life.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Brutal, brutal.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah. Another thing interesting with what Sujin brought up was
that a lot of people are really terrible about making boundaries.
And so if you're working from home, all of a sudden,
you know where you work is where you live, and
where you live is where you work, and so you're
walking by work all the time and your brain goes
to that place and then you sit down and you
put in a couple another hour, right, And so.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, I would say what helped helps me back then,
And I can still use that sort of a trick,
brain trick if you will. If you don't have enough
space to like, the best thing is to dedicate a
certain space in your apartment just for work, and then
you know other spaces for leisure. But if you don't
(14:33):
have enough space, do dedicated laptop like if you can
same dedicated laptop just for work and then everything knows
for fun. And the last trick, uh, dress dress up
for work and as you like sit at home even
though you're at home and no one sees you. Right,
(14:54):
But if you dress up kind of like a uniform
for work, right, and you code, and then when you're
but at the time by the clock, let's say five
or five pm, then go and change and here like
comfy pajamas or whatever you have.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
At least you could trick your brain.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Not to like war because now you're in something comfortable,
you're not at work anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So that helped me.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yep, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, so I so at the beginning, I also like
I just walk off from bed and started working. But
I also felt that really so that made me hard
to separate. So as Alex said, I so I always
like get prepared just as I was going to work,
and I just so I think that's helped a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I can just see our listeners thinking pants no pants,
no pants?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Right, I mean why not?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Like whatever the mental flag is for you, that that
switch I actually saying, goes for gym, right, like exercise,
And this is a great opportunity to I mean not
everyone probably has a full on gym at home. Yeah yeah,
and it's closed, but at least like me neither, right,
I don't have any even in the dumbbell right, but
(16:13):
every day I do full shops, crunches, sits like whatever
I can with body weight and same thing. Like, I
would only do that if I'm like put my gym
pencil on basically, like otherwise it's just so hard.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I'm like, eh, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
To yep, I hear that, but yeah, I mean and
and maybe your opportunity is more along those lines right
where it's okay, well I'm going to start a health
habit or something like that, right, you know, I've taken
the opportunity to be like reading to my kids. You know,
we actually played Dungeons and Dragons for an hour on Sunday,
(16:51):
you know, and they'd never played before, right, and it
was fun. Of course, two of my kids are like,
we won't play any again, you know. My other two
kids are like, can we play now? So yeah, it's
it's kind of funny. I might just take over the
So my daughter was h a cleric and they kind
(17:11):
of need a healer with them so I might just
take over the cleric as a you know, as a
player character and just play and DM. But anyway, it's
it's a ton of fun and so yeah, maybe that's
the opportunity. And I think a lot of time, a
lot of this has also just forced people to think
about what's really important to them. And that's not a
(17:32):
bad thing either, right. I mean, it's it's sad that
we're worried about people we care about. But the flip
side is is, yeah, you know, what opportunities are we
getting back? By the way, one other idea I had,
you know, for kind of on the money product front
is writing a book and uh I took. I paid
(17:53):
for a course for that too. And I've actually published
the book. I'm working on updating it because I've found
some issues with it that I'm not particularly happy with,
but it does work. It's actually on finding a job.
I didn't pick this to market the book. In fact,
it occurred to me as I was talking about writing
a book. I was like, oh, yeah, that's kind of
relevant to the other conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But hey, Chuck, can I can I do a selfish
plug in related to jobs too? I actually wrote a
book as well, and it's about iOS interviews. Oh nice,
so kind of same, I guess relevant for people looking
for jobs right now?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Where do they find it?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So it's called the iOS Interview Guide and it's iOS
interview Guide dot com.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Nice. Yeah, mine's a dev chat dot tv slash job book.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Anyway, a good book I read about how to write
a book. It's called Authority by Nathan Nathanberry Nathan Barry.
Thinking now around's convert kit. It's kind of a continuation
of this whole thing that he was doing. Well, fantastic book.
Like I had before writing my own, I had no
(19:01):
clue how to do it, Like for I had basic
questions such as, oh, well, what's the size, like how
many words? How many chapters? What's an average? What do
I need to do? He gives you all of those.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Fantastic Yeah, I remember that book when it came out. Yeah, anyway,
it's good stuff. The system that I followed to uh
to do the book was called Self Publishing School and
the acronym for that is SPS. So I put a
def chat dot tv slash SPS. But yeah, I mean
(19:32):
they walked through the whole process again, you know, as
far as getting it on Amazon, and the whole nine yards,
but also just the process of writing writing it, so
getting it outlined and you know, getting it, getting into
the groove of writing it and editing it and getting
your cover together for it, and the whole nine yards.
And if you join self Publishing School, you can also
join their Facebook group, and so you can get feedback
(19:55):
on all that stuff. Right, So it's like, hey, I've
got these you know, a lot of a lot of
folks did their cover designs on ninety nine designs, right,
and so they got five or six back and so
they you know, everybody's chipping in on everybody's stuff, and
so they get a lot of feedback on the designs
that were put forward and stuff like that. So anyway,
just just really really digging that. But yeah, so I
(20:19):
mean lots of things you can do. If you want
to be a host on this podcast, you can also
email me because we are looking for a couple more
of those. But I mean, yeah, I mean there's there's
a lot of opportunities. There are a lot of ways
to raise your profile, and so yeah, just take advantage
of them.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
One if you can't think of anything else, and other
thing I thought of watch all the DUBWDC videos. Every
year they come out with them, and there's so many,
and I pick maybe if any that I watch, maybe
like one fifth or one six of all of them.
(20:56):
And I always wish someone would just go through them
and make a TLDR article or something, or even a
quick like YouTube video with just highlights.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Oh that's a good idea.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It just please someone do it, because I guess I
was gonna say I don't have time.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
No, I guess I do, so maybe I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But seriously, that's you think it's like recycling rehashing content,
which it is technically, but it's more of a digestionate
like just give me the TLDR. I get, you know,
all the great whatever jokes they want to make in
those videos, but I don't care.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Just give me the meat. So that would be good.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Well, the other angle on that is, and the reason
that it's valuable is I can go get for most
of those talks. Yeah, it's you know, here's kind of
the core content. Right. I can consume that in written
form in like five maybe ten minutes. Right. And the
flip side of it is is that if I get
(21:59):
a tld ARE for something that I really do need
to see and understand from my job.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Then I go pick up the name video and you know,
make it nice.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like if you have a website, like it's just sort
of the extra mile you could go, like have a
page for that, right, yeah, then have this TLDR text
content and maybe like an audio for it as well,
and then the link.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
To the original video.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But worst case, just make a tweet, Like the easiest
content you could publish a tweet.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It's like two eighty characters.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And if the video is stoll on or like too
many valuable points there, make a series of tweets.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I think they let you like publish them in one go.
Now why not?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, have a hashtag like dubwdctldrs twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I don't know, something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, I like that idea.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I think I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
The thing is other like if a lot of people
do this even better.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Well, you get credibility out of it, right, I mean,
if you're looking for a job and you've got that
many people coming to your website and you have a
little note or banner or something that says, by the way,
I'm looking for a job, call here to hire me. Right,
that's just kind of a no brainer. Right. People are
gonna be like, wow, this guy's dedicated. It's the same
thing with podcasts or YouTube videos or blogs or things
(23:22):
like that.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, because like other things, you know, for some of
the sort of ideas we have, you kind of need
expertise or something like that, right, or could least experience,
So not everyone has it. But but again, something like
this is it's kind of like commentary, well not commentary
per se, but close enough.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, you need enough context to understand what's going on.
But generally they're assuming a base level of understanding and
then after that, you know, they don't assume that you know,
like all of the other frameworks backward and forward, they're
just assuming that you know how to you know, basically
put an app together.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You know that there's things like see whatever in one
minute or like whatever in five minutes. Yeah, so something
like that. Yeah, so every time, like every year, like
see the see doynote in five minutes, So see the
session or whatever in like two minutes. Yeah, I think
that's just pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, but's sorry, that's how I consume Google Aisle sessions
because I'm not I don't do Android anymore, but I
still want to know what the competition does. Yeah, yeah,
give me, give me this a in ten minute video
thing and I'll play it on one point seventy five
(24:43):
speed though, Yeah, because I'm glad impatience.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah yeah, one day skip.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And they'll skip like and then skip.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah yeah yeah. One other thing that I'm putting together,
just you know, because of the COVID nineteen is the
meetups and you know, and so just taking advantage of
any of the free training that's coming out for people
or paid training, you know, like the remote conferences. But yeah,
just you know, paying attention to that. You don't actually
have to go anywhere, so all the travel time, all
(25:13):
the travel costs are all taken care of. Another one
that I'm also putting together, and I'm just throwing this
stuff out there just to see where people land with
it is I am putting together and I'm going to
have it up this afternoon. It's coronadev jobs dot Com.
And essentially what it is is it's a get up repo.
(25:35):
You could just go to coronadevjobs dot com. And yeah,
as we're talking, it's not quite up, but it will
be up and so what you can do is you
can submit a pull request with your contact info on
basically your own page, right, so you can write your
own summary or put your own CV or resume on there.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And then.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You know, you put your contact info so the job
our employers can contact you. And then the other end
of it is people who are looking for developers, you know,
the same thing. They can submit a ple request and
list their jobs. And then what I'm hoping to do
is that I want to connect it up to a
(26:19):
Twitter account or something so that when it gets updated, right,
it gets tweeted. I'm still figuring that bit out. But
at the end of the day, you know, then if
a new job gets posted, it's like, hey, there's a
new job. If there's a new job seeker, you know,
then they you know, then they also get tweeted. Right.
And you can put hashtags in for the technologies you're
(26:42):
you're proficient in, right, and so you can put in
you know, iOS or swift or you know whatever realm
And at the end of the day, then people who
are looking for people with those job skills, they can
just come to the website. They can go click on
the hashtag swift and you know they're good to go.
(27:04):
You know, then go look at everybody who's who's put
their information in that says their profession with Swift or
if you're looking for a Swift job, you can click
that that same link and it'll also list all the
jobs that are available.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
MM. I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And you know, I'm just throwing it together on gridsome,
so I'm not doing anything that fancy. Probably take me
an entire hour and a half to get it all
put together, and then I'll have to set up to
get hooked so that it tweets. But that's it.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Can I be number one on the list?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You can, but it'll cost you. You'll have to help
me accept pole requests. That's what it'll cost you.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I mean I'm an unemployed I can labor, I guess.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah. I mean that's the deal, right, is that I'm
going to have to accept poor requests. I'm gonna have
to have some mechanism for doing that. But the nice
thing is is I'm just gonna throw it at Netlify
and Netlifi will do the the builds on the poll
requests and so as long as they're legit, you know,
as long as they build properly. When I can merge them,
(28:08):
then it'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Netli If I is such a such a pleasure to
work with, Yes, it is. Lately I've been like published
and just plain old HTML pages.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Oh fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah. Yeah, Gridsom's just a static site generator built with view.
So but for example, friend of mine, Ryan Florence, who's
in the React world, you know, he runs React training
dot com. Well, people aren't hiring React trainers at the moment,
and so he had to lay a bunch of people
off because he just he couldn't he didn't have payroll
for him, he couldn't pay him. And so he's like, hey,
(28:42):
somebody hire these people. And I'm sitting there going, yeah,
there's got to be a better way than a tweet
that's going to be gone in two hours, right, And
so once I have that up, I'm gonna go ping
him and a bunch of other folks who have you know,
essentially said hey, I lost my job, and I'm just
gonna be like, look, you know, let's let's help these
folks jobs. Right. If your employers you know, is looking,
(29:03):
then let's do it. But yeah, and so there are
opportunities to help serve too. And if that's an opportunity
you want to take advantage of, you know, do that.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Also, I would say, well, I mean we talked about it.
Educate yourself, but specifically since we're in this remote situation,
I highly recommend reading Remote by.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Thirty seven Signals. I think base Camp Now.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Jason Freed and David Heidemyer Hansen. Yep, good book.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Great book.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I think it's how I want to say, seven years old,
if not more, but still relevant.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Very relevant. The situation really hasn't changed. There's just more
people working from home now because they don't have a choice.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
So right, and we have better tools like Zoom.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, yeah, there have been issues with Zoom though I
know at least a couple of people have had their
Zoom accounts hacked. So but part of me wonders because
they are not tech people. The people that I know
that had there, I can't act. I'm wondering if they
just had like a password that's like my name one,
two three or something.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
That's that's my mom. I had to rescue her.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, I really had a chance to rethink, rethink remote work.
So prior I really didn't believe like remote work is
like a really valid form of work because because it's
like because I just think, like face like face to
face communication is really important, and I just couldn't possibly
(30:36):
imagine how everyone like people, how people from all over
the world. You know, there are some companies they're all
in companies just don't have office, right, I forgot the name,
but there's a really famous company that that I think notion,
I know no name for mind, so I think so anyway,
But then yeah, and also I don't trust myself working
(30:58):
remote because I I like fool around too much, and
like that is right behind me. So like when I
was a student, right before getting a real job, I
just when I was doing some projects, I just like
every ten minutes, I go jumping back to my bed.
So I really thought like remote work wouldn't work for me,
(31:20):
but it does. It did, So so this is another
like this opens up a big door for me in
the future. So now I can imagine myself like being
like a being like a freelancing or even just getting
a remote job so I can be anywhere, I can
(31:41):
travel and work at the same time. So I think, yeah,
it's just opened up like a new possibility for me.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's actually a good point. I think kind of there's
blessing in disguise if you will right, could be for
a lot of people exactly that, like you know, just
like you, they would realize, you know, oh that's actually doable,
and I can so maybe even after the whole virus
thing's gone, well, just keep doing remote and then maybe
(32:10):
go travel or whatnot. Like myself, I want to visit Singapore,
so I really need a remote jump for that, because
why not?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Definitely definitely is it if when this goal goes away?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Another thing which I already kind of touched upon, but
I think it's important for everyone do exercise just like
something yep. Do like gym's closed. Yeah, I know, but
I don't know. I even before this, probably like the
last six months, I actually switched to exercising every day,
(32:51):
like going to gym every day. It was incredibly hard
for the first two months, just like mental, you know,
because I'd be so tired the next day and all sore,
but I still would drag myself there. And now I'm like,
I can't imagine not doing that. That's just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So again another opportunity if you got nothing else to do.
Why not do like ten push ups if you can
then do ten more.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah. Well, I go jogging down the jogging trail and yeah,
you know, I pass within six feet of people because
it's not that wide. But you know, I mean hold
your breath, I guess. But you know, I think most
of the concern is over you know, touching surfaces that
other people are touching and you know, prolonged contacts.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So yeah, I think maybe the next episode we could
talk about how to make handmade at home gloves and
masks or something.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I'm not there yet, maybe next step.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So yeah, somebody should write a pandemic or organizer app,
you know, the organizers people, so that it's like, yeah,
we need we need ten thousand more ventilators. And I
mean I saw a hack. What was it? Anyway, there
was an article where somebody put out that, you know,
(34:16):
we let's let's make a design an open source ventilation.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
So that wasn't it? The what is it? The three
D printer type of thing?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, And I'm.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Fascinating if it could work well.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Even if even if it got to the point where
it was how do I put it? And I'm looking
it up at the same time, but I think it
was on Indie Hacker or hacka Day anyway, So yeah,
I think it was Indie hacker anyway. So the idea
was that, yeah, you know, we have people out there
(34:51):
with with you know, with three D printers in their house,
so yeah, you know, why not open source the so
that if we need them, then it's like, hey, we're
going to print all the parts that we need. And
then you know, I mean even if we got ninety
percent the way there, right, and so we just had
to like legit manufacture a handful of parts. Yeah, anyway,
(35:14):
it's it's it's pretty pretty interesting. So but yeah, there
are a whole bunch of people who have come out
and jumped on different projects to try and make it work.
So what I'm finding is hacker noon. So I'll just
put a link to that insurance. But yeah, I mean,
you know, turn turn your expertise to the to the
problems at hand.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, I think I'm out of ideas.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah I am too, But there are so many opportunities.
I mean, whether it's you know, building a business or
building a product, or whether it's you know, going out
and getting involved in some of this other stuff or
leveling up your skills. I mean, you know, it's it
feels like a massive waste to just sit around and
watch Netflix and hope that this all comes back because
(35:57):
we don't know when, we don't know how. We're hoping
to soon, but at the end of the day, I mean,
you know, we just don't know. And so go work out,
get ripped like Alex and you know, and and then
spend the rest of your time, you know, doing something
that's going to make a difference for you or for
somebody else.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Don't tweet, don't match.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'm tweeting a lot. Yeah, all right, well it sounds
like we kind of exhausted this, so let's let's go
ahead and do picks. Suji, do you want to start
us with picks?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah? Okay. Past week, I found the game Monuments Value two.
So unless you I don't know if you guys heard
of it. It's like I played Monument Value one like
a few years ago, but I found out the two
came out and then it's on sale. It's like it's
(36:51):
on discount, so it's free right now. So it's actually
like four or five dollars the original game. But so
it's like it's a really cool game. It's it's like
it's like the optical illusion game. So you know, like
the penuse triangle, like the triangle looks like yeah, and
then also like the staircase, it looks like you're going up,
(37:13):
but then when you when you do a full circle,
then you're back to where you are. So it's the
game is like game is like that. So the pieces
move around you. You tweet the world, so the character
can go from here to there, but you never thought
they could because like it's physically impossible. But it's all
tweaked and so I so I downloaded that and I
(37:37):
played that this weekend. It was really fun. So yeah,
go try go try the game. It's really exciting. It's
and it's really not It doesn't take long to finish
the whole game, so it's it's a really good Uh,
it was a really good time.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, Sudian took the whole day off on Sunday to
do that. I'm just kidding. I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Takes like that's like one hour. But if you're if
you're used to it, so is it gets it as
a proceed it kind of gets hard. It's like a
puzzle game. It's like a three D puzzle game with
optical illusion stuff. That's really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, I played Monument Valley. I saw it on House
of Cards I think, and I was like, that was
really cool game. Yeah, and so I'm sure, I'm sure
they paid for that product placement, but you got me
to get the game. Yeah, it worked, made them dollars. Yeah,
it's a cool game. I didn't know that there was
a Monument Valley two out, so yeah, I might have
(38:38):
to check that out. Alex, what are your picks?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Since we're picking games, I will pick Stelaris. It's uh,
what's the what's the genre or type of game? I
think it's called like a grand strategy game by Paradox.
They make well other grand strategy games. I think you're
over Universalis is another are like the most famous one Stilarisis.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You pick.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's like in space basically, it's like you develop your empire.
You just your your people, just made interstellar travel possible,
and you expand and concord universe.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Uh So you could pick and customize your species and
your government type however you want their gazelle enough choices,
you could be like a full on democracy, uh with
with everything is egalitarian, or you could could be what
is it called just start Consciousness or something like that,
basically hive mind any and any any variation in between.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Has good graphics actually.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
And my my old laptop doesn't give me a lot
of luxury to like enjoy the view. But overall it's
a very good game, and it's a it's not turned
per se, but you could stop the kind of playback
if youel or or stop the time and then do
(40:07):
all the pick the commands and do all the management
and then unpause the game again.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Right, I think I just found it on Steam. Good deal. Well,
I am going to pick not a game, so I
want to remind people about iOS remote comp That's all
I'm going to say. I'm probably going to try and
hold it around the beginning of June to kind of
replace your alt comp slash WWDC experience. I know that
(40:34):
Apple will be releasing stuff around then too, so I'm
probably going to try and not do it exactly on
top of it. But and then the other pick I
have so a couple of weeks ago, and this is
what really got me thinking about this, I did a
podcast interview with my friend Manny Veya and he has
(40:55):
a business where he summarizes books, and I've had him
on JavaScript Jawa a couple of times. We've talked about
like mental toughness and social skills and things like that.
This time we talked about entrepreneurship, and it seemed pretty timely,
you know, as people were starting to settle into or
climb the walls because of being stuck at home and
(41:16):
you know, and that's where it was like, well, you know, yeah,
you know, if you if you got laid off or something,
or even if you didn't, you could start a side hustle.
So I'm going to put a link to the episode
that we did for that show, and then you can
check it out. I'm also going to how do I
(41:37):
put it? I'm going to share with you the discount code.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Don't tell him, don't tell him I did this.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
So if you go to devchat, dot tv slash hustle
and you use the coupon code hustle. I think it
was like thirty or forty percent off. I can't remember
exactly how much it was off. It was less than
thirty percent. Don't blame me, I don't remember, but it was.
It was a lot more off than I thought it
would be so dev chat dot tv, slash Hustle and
then use the coupon code hustle and you'll get like
a chunk of change off. And yeah, we just talked
(42:09):
about running businesses and running a side hustle and all
that stuff, and you know, he runs a business and
so do I and so it was kind of interesting
to see where that ended up. So yeah, just just
great stuff. And yeah, if you're looking for some options,
I mean, if you're stuck without a job for two
(42:30):
or three months, you're gonna want something. And if it
takes you a month to ramp it up, even if
you're doing that part time looking for a job part time,
you know, I just want to put people in the
best situation they can be in. And that way, when
this does come back, you know that, then you can
make a call as to how you want to move forward.
So anyway, so yeah, so check that episode out and then,
(42:54):
like I said, dev Chat, dot tv, slash Hustle. All right,
well good luck with your job search, Alex. Thank you
and hang in there guys, And to our listener, we
will be back next week. And if you want to
be a host on the show, you can send me
a DM on Twitter, C Max w.
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