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The future of. Tesla is going to be
interesting. Elon Musk.
Plans to change Tesla's. Future by.
Pushing it toward artificial intelligence and robotics.
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And that raises a. Question Can Tesla?
Really transform from a car company, a great car company,
into a leader in autonomous systems.
Now Tesla. Started 22 years ago with a
simple plan that didn't depend on breakthroughs and battery
technology the founders believedthey could create.
EVs by. Combining proven components in
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new ways, they relied on lithiumion.
Batteries similar to. Those used in laptops and built
battery packs from. Thousands of small cells.
Now, this approach allowed Teslato succeed.
Where traditional automakers hadfailed with heavy and.
Inefficient lead acid. Batteries now Elon Musk now
wants to. Take Tesla.
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In a different path, he no longer focuses primarily on
making EVs driven by people. Instead, he wants Tesla to
become a robotics company that builds driverless cars and
humanoid robots. He believes this move will help
Tesla stay. Valued like a technology company
rather than an automaker. Musk expects.
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To launch public robo taxi services very soon on June. 22nd
with a small fleet in Austin, TXthey set this.
Possible launch date of the 20. 2nd but Musk.
Recently warmed that they. May delay this.
Timeline if safety concerns arise and Tesla's early success
came from using software and engineering to make lithium ion
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battery pack safe and reliable gave the company a strong lead
before competitors recognize thepotential of these batteries
now. Musk hopes Tesla can use its.
Manufacturing expertise to integrate artificial
intelligence more so. Into the vehicles.
And unlike the company's earlierstrategy of using existing parts
creatively, Tesla has spent years building its own AI
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systems for self driving tech. Now Tesla's FSD.
System and autopilot features show how far the.
Company has come. However, Tesla admits that
these. Systems are not fully, truly
autonomous, and drivers remain legally responsible for their
vehicles. And Elon Musk argues that Tesla
holds an advantage over competitors.
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Because its fleet. Provides valuable real world
data. The data helps the company
improve its AI systems. Faster than rivals?
And companies like Waymo and GM.Have also worked.
On driverless technology, but their efforts are kind of
limited. GM stopped its robo.
Taxi plans because of high costs.
And Waymo operates a modest fleet of around 1500 to 2000
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vehicles. Number is similar to GM's failed
EV1 program from over 25 years ago, which helped inspire
Tesla's creation in the first place.
And now? Tesla's robust.
Taxis project. Depends heavily on turning its
production values. Into autonomous taxis.
Musk claims that every Tesla rolling off the line today is
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capable of unsupervised self driving.
He shared footage of a Tesla Model Y driving without anyone
in the front seat during tests in Austin Now.
Despite these demonstrations. Musk remains.
Cautious, he said. Tesla's initial.
Launch will be small. Possibly with about. 10
robotaxis operating in the 1st. Week he expects to scale this up
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to thousands. Of vehicles within months and
aims to have hundreds of thousands or even a million on
the road by the end of 2026 now.Musk's public statements about
Tesla safety priorities. Reflect the difficulties of
delivering. Autonomous vehicles at scale, he
said. The company is super paranoid.
About safety, Which? Means that the robotaxi launch
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could face further delays. Tesla's competitors, including
Waymo and. Zooks.
Have already demonstrated cars on public roads without drivers
behind the wheel. With. 10s of thousands of rides
for Waymo and in some surveys people prefer an autonomous
Waymo to an Uber where some person is driving now.
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Zooks and Waymo have already demonstrated cars on public
roads without drivers behind thewheel, but their technology
remains complex and far from widespread.
Even Waymo's limited fleet has not come close to the
commercial. Success of Google score business
but. Test The shift toward AI marks a
major change from its founding principles.
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The company originally succeededby rethinking how to combine.
The existing technologies. But now they're creating their
own technologies, they're creating their own AI and
they're relying on large scale deployment of self driving cars.
But now we haven't seen Tesla make self driving into a major
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part of its business. Elon.
Musk's confidence in Tesla's. AI technology rests on the
company's production scale and data advantage, but challenges
and safety regulation and publicacceptance remain.
Now, the future of Tesla. Now depends on whether.
Musk's AI vision can deliver real results.
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Remember a few years ago when? Zuckerberg was.
Talking about the metaverse and then where is the metaverse?
We were never in the metaverse. All the. 3D headsets all the.
Virtual. Reality, that was.
Top of the line for a few years and now it's bottom of the
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barrel. Nobody really uses it in a real
world application other than engineers and you know, it kind
of niche things. It's a fun thing to play around
with, but. Zuckerberg was talking.
About how everybody was going tohave a headset and we're all
going to live and work in the metaverse and Apple made a
headset and. Elon Musk doesn't.
Want to be that he. Knows that his.
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AI Vision can deliver. Real results, that's what he
believes The company's focus hasmoved.
From making. EVs accessible to.
Building a network of driverlesscars.
All of their manufacturers have some sort of EV in the pipeline
if they don't already have some on the road, and this took them
a decade or two. To figure this out so.
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If Elon keeps making these moveswith Tesla and moving forward
with. Tesla.
They're also going to be 20 years behind by the time.
All of this happens so. Somebody like Ford or GM?
Who is? Barely making.
EVs at this. Point they don't have an AI
division. They don't have anything to
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compete with Musk right now. As.
XAI, he has x.com or X if you want to call it that, and both
of them have an AI component andnow all of that is being rolled.
Into Tesla. Tesla has the.
Data from all of the driving from other people.
They have some sensors they. Don't have Lidar, which Waymo
has and in. Tests as we've.
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Seen if you look around on YouTube you'll find.
A Tesla versus. Lidar.
Just look that up and you can see for yourself how Tesla has
failed against. Lidar in numerous circumstances
and their. Videos of Tesla's.
Just running through. Dummies and mannequins on the
side of school buses. Things like that.
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And it's, you know. Part of it is that some of the.
Sensors in Tesla don't match up to the way that Waymo's sensors
work, and that's. What Elon Musk is talking about
when he's talking about Tesla being cautious.
He wants them to be. Extremely cautious.
Because if. Anything happens right away.
With these Austin tests, that's why they're starting small.
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He's saying something like a dozen.
Cars on the road, robo taxis in the first week.
Which is a. Totally.
Fine test set. But he wants to upgrade.
This to thousands of vehicles within.
Months so you. Don't just start off with. 10
operational robo taxis. In a week.
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And then within months you get to.
Thousands of vehicles. Usually it would go from like 10
robo taxis in Austin to 20, 30-40 within months.
Plus there's also regulatory hurdles, so if you're good in.
Austin it doesn't. Mean you're going to be good in
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Arkansas, so to speak, or you'renot going to get robo taxis in
New York City. Thousands of robo taxis in New
York City, or. San Francisco, OR.
LA OR. Small cities like Buffalo, or.
Someplace like Orlando, you're not going to get.
Robo taxis there because there. Are different regulatory?
Hurdles per state and also per city.
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So if he wants to have. Thousands of robo taxis.
In Austin that. Seems like it would be less of
a. Hurdle than trying.
To go to these different States and different cities so he also.
Wants to have hundreds of thousands or even 1,000,000 by
the end of next year. A million vehicles on the road.
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Now, if he's talking about. Robotaxi capable vehicles.
Where a. Current vehicle could.
Be set up with software to. Become a robotaxi and the owner
of that vehicle. Which he stated in the past, he
stated. This for years that everybody
that. Owns a Tesla when it's.
When you're not driving it, you can loan it out and you can make
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it into a robotaxi and you can make money while.
It just sits there. He said it's going to free up
so. Many Teslas to.
Do other things instead of sitting in a driveway or sitting
in a parking lot and wasting away.
Instead it could be on the road doing work for you, making you
money autonomously. But that.
Also is. Full of regulatory.
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Hurdles so hundreds of. Thousands of vehicles or even
1,000,000 by the end of next year.
Sure, they. Might be capable.
But will the regulatory statutesallow them to drive on the
roads? That's.
To be seen and. We don't know what's going on.
Behind the scenes with Tesla. And.
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In the cities. And States and towns throughout
the country. So it could take.
Maybe not months to do this. It could possibly take them
years. Waymo.
Is only in a. Few cities right now.
I think they're in five cities and it took them years to get
there and they have proven technology.
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SpaceX or not SpaceX, Tesla has.Proven data from drivers, but
they don't have proven robotaxi rides.
Yet so. The fact that that hasn't
happened yet and the fact that Elon is saying.
Hundreds of. Thousands, possibly a million
vehicles on the road being robotaxis.
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I don't think that's going to happen in one year.
Look, I'm. Call me skeptic.
I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that.
But Elon Musk has promised things in the.
Past that haven't happened at the scale.
That he wants them to happen Like when he was officially and
originally starting the Starshipprogram he was saying somewhere
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around the 20/24/2020. 6:00-ish Twenty. 28 launch to Mars and
from start with Starship and he was saying absolutely, we're
going to do this now. It looks like he's.
Still saying this in during his last talk he was saying that
they're going to make it there. Starship really hasn't made it
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past Earth, hasn't made it to orbit yet, hasn't done a full
orbit yet. We're in 2025 and he has.
To launch this by 2026, he. Wants to launch it to Mars.
There's a possibility. But he doesn't have to.
Worry about the hurdles from thegovernment, the red tape from
every city, every town, every municipality, every highway
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department. Every state that.
He wants to get these robo taxisin the The scale that he wants
is unfathomable. Can he?
Do it. Yeah, maybe he'd have a couple
100, but. Hundreds of thousands of
vehicles on the road. That seems like a huge stretch.
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If you're on a podcast platform that has comments, let me know
in the comments what you think about this.
I think it's. A great idea to have a million.
Vehicles that you can just. Hop into.
I wouldn't need a car anymore. I could just call a Tesla.
And have it pick me up and take me wherever I want to go.
Drive around for a little while.That would be great.
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Maybe I go to the beach. Maybe I go downtown.
You know, same thing. With the Uber.
Also if you're. Interested in driving for Uber?
You can make a good amount of money.
We're driving for Uber if you'reyeah, if you have a vehicle and
you also just. Need need some.
Spare cash Like if you want somespare money to go out to dinner
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to drive Uber on the. Weekends make a.
Couple 100 bucks make. 50 bucks,whatever.
Drive for a couple hours on the.Weekends make a.
Make a little side scratch. There's a link in the
description or the show notes and that'll get you into the
program and you get a little kickback.
I get a little bit of money for that too.
Not a lot, but. It does help out the show.
So if you can sign up, if you'rethinking about it, I've done it
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in the past and I'll tell you what, man, it's fun.
Get to be some really interesting people and all
you're doing is driving. It's like if you're if you just
want something. To to do to pass some time.
And you don't don't really want to think driving Uber.
Is definitely the way to. Go.
It's really fun. So Elon is right.
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On the precipice. Of doing something amazing if
this all works out. And his public statements about
Tesla's safety. Priorities show that.
There's difficulties of. Delivering Autonomous.
Vehicles at scale. He's been saying that.
He's super paranoid about safety.
Which means. That the Robo taxi launch could.
Face further delays. Because when they do these. 10
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test vehicles. They're.
Going to gather some real world data and it's going to be in a
small part of Austin too. It's not going to be over the
whole city, not going to be on the highways.
It's going. To be on.
A loop of streets that they knowthat they have the data for
already so they're. Going to be.
Gathering data from these robo taxis and they're going to have
to scale. This.
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To a point where. It's unheard of to scale this
fast. Can they scale this fast?
There's a possibility, but. There's always he has to work
with the towns and the cities and that's the part that's going
to hold him back. You know, Zooks way, MO.
They've already demonstrated cars on public roads without
drivers behind the wheel, but their technology is very
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complex. We MO's limited fleet is, you
know they're making money, but they're also they're.
Also. Not producing.
The types of rides. That will make.
The sorry the. Scale of rides that will make
them billions of dollars which they need to do it in order to
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keep this program going. But the thing.
Is. Google owns Waymo.
Google does this. So Google has it as a sort of
like a side project. They want to make this work, but
the. Other thing is.
They're going to make sure that they use.
This data. From these rides.
To license this technology. To other car manufacturers in
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the. Future SO.
Lidar, the radars, things like that, the data that they gather
from this, they're not going to keep to themselves.
They're going. To use it.
With manufacturers GM, Ford, etcetera and Audi I've heard
plans of maybe. Porsches influence.
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There with Waymo and their technologies and.
We'll see what happens though, because Tesla is.
Just going to keep it in Tesla. They're going to keep all the
money to themselves. They're not going to license
anything as far as we know. Elon said he's open to it, but
he needs to. Have the lead first.
He has to have a crazy lead before.
He actually licenses. Anything to anybody else, but
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you know, future of Tesla reallydoes depend.
On. The AI vision that Musk is
portraying with these driverlesscars.
Companies focus has. Moved from building electric.
Vehicles, which is amazing. And, you know, one of the one of
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the biggest breakthroughs in technology in the last 20 years,
but now they're going to be building a network of driverless
cars. The success or the failure of
the strategy? Will shape.
Tesla's future, but also it'll shape.
Robotics. It'll shape other companies that
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build parts for robotics. It'll shape industries as a
whole, and also shape. Cities of the future.
Which will become manufacturing hubs like Austin is for robotics
and AI. Now they're proving the
artificial intelligence can movebeyond just the lab, beyond
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hackers, making AIA more viable product for everybody.
Beyond. The lab tests.
And make it into everyday life. At a scale.
That no one else has ever achieved.
Henry Ford built the automobile into a massive business.
Elon Musk has built EVs. Into a massive business.
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And he's. Planning on building.
Driverless cars. Into an even bigger business and
I for one really excited about the future of driverless
vehicles. Hey, thank you.
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