End It For Good

End It For Good

We explore ending our criminal approach to drugs and regulating the market again. If you’re not sure what that sentence means, you’re in the right place. We start at square one, where we were as staunch supporters of the War on Drugs. What changed our minds? Welcome to the show.

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July 28, 2026 45 mins

In this episode, Christina sits down with Kathie McKinney, a parent, SMART Family & Friends facilitator, and advocate for families impacted by addiction. Kathie shares her own journey of moving from fear, frustration, and trying to “fix” the problem to learning how trust, empathy, and communication can transform relationships.

They discuss why families need support and skills of their own, how approaches like motiva...

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Ethan Nadelmann shares his insights from his four decades of experience in drug policy reform. The biggest wins, painful losses, and how we get to a healthier world.

Watch the TED Talk on ending the drug war by Ethan Nadelmann: https://www.ted.com/talks/ethan_nadelmann_why_we_need_to_end_the_war_on_drugs

Keywords: drug policy reform, marijuana legalization, harm reduction, criminal justice, psychedelics, tobacco harm reduction, p...

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Christina Dent interviews Jon Seidl about his journey as a Christian who began struggling with alcohol addiction long after he became a Christian. They explore the power of storytelling, radical honesty, and practical steps for communities to support people on recovery journeys.

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Sam Chapman, founder of the Center for Psychedelic Policy and a driving force behind much of the psychedelic policy reform happening today, breaks down what it actually takes to move reform from idea to implementation. Drawing on Oregon’s first-in-the-nation psilocybin therapy program, he explains how the policy came together, what’s working so far, and where challenges remain. This conversation explores the intersectio...

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Colonel Steven Maxwell is a seasoned and decorated law enforcement officer, spending more than 30 years in narcotics work, rising to Executive Director of the Mississippi Bureau of Narcotics.

Maxwell shares his change of mind over the years as education and experience helped him understand addiction as a health crisis. He emphasizes the importance of listening to people and organizations that have differing viewpoints, because we ...

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Esther Pilgrim is a nurse who has worked inside a prison as well as in crisis care for people with mental health challenges and those needing detox. But more importantly for this episode, she's a mother and an advocate shaped by her daughter’s struggle with addiction and incarceration. In this episode, she shares how her understanding of addiction transformed, and she and her daughter went from fighting against each other to ...
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In this episode, State Representative Sam Creekmore from Mississippi, who is also the Chairman of the Public Health committee in the Mississippi House of Representatives, joins us to talk about new legislation he's proposing in order to open pathways for psychedelic treatment with ibogaine. Rep. Creekmore shares how he got interested in ibogaine, what he hopes this legislation will do, and why it's important in his home state of Mi...
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In this conversation, Brittany Denson shares her personal journey of recovery and the significance of events like Recovery Day at the Capitol in Mississippi. The discussion highlights the importance of community support, advocacy for legislative changes, and the role of sober living environments in the recovery process. Brittany emphasizes the need for individuals to engage in advocacy and the impact of sharing personal stories to ...

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In this celebratory 100th episode of the End It For Good podcast, hosts Christina Dent and Bryan Mauk reflect on their favorite podcast episodes and the milestones of the organization. They also share their vision for the future in the midst of realities that are rolling back progress, such as bombing boats of suspected traffickers. Listeners are invited to share their personal stories as we look towards the next 100 episodes and t...

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In this conversation, Christina Dent and Stacey McKenna discuss the complexities of substance use, particularly in relation to motherhood and pregnancy. Stacey shares her personal journey with methamphetamine use and how it shaped her research as a medical anthropologist. They explore the impact of policies on substance use, the emotional context behind addiction, and the stigma surrounding mothers who use substances. The discussio...
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Juliana Mulligan shares her transformative journey with the psychedelic ibogaine as a treatment that finally worked for her substance use disorder. She discusses her personal experiences with addiction, the limitations of traditional treatment methods, and the profound impact of trauma on recovery.

Juliana explains the unique experience of ibogaine treatment, its effects on brain chemistry, and the importance of post-treatment supp...

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Prenatal substance use is often misunderstood, oversimplified, and met with stigma instead of support. In this conversation, Christina Dent and Meghann Perry explore the complex realities facing mothers who use substances during pregnancy—from trauma and addiction to healthcare barriers and the fear of criminalization. Together, they reflect on the importance of compassionate care, the power of bonding and attachment, and wha...

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In this episode of the End It For Good podcast, host Christina Dent shares inspiring stories of individuals who have taken the initiative to share knowledge about addiction recovery and drug policy reform. Through personal anecdotes, she emphasizes the importance of community engagement and the power of personal networks in spreading the movement.  Keywords End It For Good, addiction recovery, personal stories, community enga...
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In this episode, Christina Dent and Bryan Mauk discuss the erosion of civil liberties due to drug policies, the implications of military actions against drug trafficking, and the ongoing debate surrounding substances like kratom and psychedelics. They explore how historical precedents in drug enforcement have led to current practices that compromise individual rights and question the effectiveness of aggressive interdiction strateg...

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In this episode, Christina Dent speaks with Terry Blevins, a former law enforcement officer and soldier and current advocate for 7-OH, a derivative of kratom. They discuss the failures of drug prohibition, the moral conflicts faced by law enforcement, and the potential benefits of 7-OH as a pain management option. The conversation emphasizes the need for regulation over prohibition, the importance of research, and the societal impl...

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Could respect, not punishment, be the key to reducing harm from drugs and addiction?

Jim Babka, host of the Gracearchy podcast and Social Strategist for the Foundation for Harmony and Prosperty, joins Christina Dent to explain the Natural Principle of Human Respect. It's a simple but powerful idea that coercion always diminishes happiness, harmony, and prosperity.

Using lessons from the playground, flying cars, and even gravity, Ji...

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Christina sits down with Dr. Michele Ross to talk about 7-OH, a new substance that’s closely connected to kratom. They unpack what it is, why people are using it, and what it could mean for pain management and addiction recovery. The conversation also looks at the FDA’s response, the push for medical freedom, and why education and responsible use matter so much with plant medicines like this one. They also explore the r...

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What does it take to build a thriving legal marijuana market?

Christina Dent and Bryan Mauk sit down with Geoffrey Lawrence, Research Director at the Reason Foundation, to explore the economic lessons from cannabis legalization across the United States.

Drawing on his unique experience as a researcher and a CFO in the marijuana industry, Geoff explains how smart regulation can undercut the black market, foster innovation, and creat...

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The war on drugs is not just affecting the US population. In this episode, we're joined by Franco Iacomini, Latin America editor at Christianity Today, to discuss his recent article on how cartel violence is impacting churches in Mexico. In many rural communities, children are forcibly recruited into cartels, and for some, drug trafficking becomes the only viable path to economic survival. These heartbreaking realities are symptom...

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What if prisons focused less on punishment and more on healing? In this episode, Brian Koehn shares his journey from overseeing 65 prisons to launching the world’s first full-service nonprofit prison model. He explains why a human-centered approach could transform corrections, and why it’s time we expect more from our corrections system. Learn More: https://spcor.org/ Get Curious: https://a.co/d/7B9ci2k

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