September 23, 2024 • 48 mins
In this episode of Ever Onward, we sit down with Torry McAlvain Jr. from McAlvain Companies!
From groundbreaking projects to preserving a family legacy, Torry’s story at McAlvain Companies showcases the pride and challenges of leading a third-generation business. Torry highlights some of the company’s most impressive projects, including the Boise Airport expansion and the downtown 26-story Oppenheimer building, showcasing the lasting impact of his family’s business in the construction industry.
As a native of Meridian, Idaho, Torry reflects on his educational path and the pride that comes with working in a third-generation family business. This conversation underscores the importance of family unity, resilience, and honoring the values that have been passed down through generations.
We then shift gears to discuss the importance of building a strong company culture, focusing on kindness in business as a core principle. Drawing inspiration from a Darren Hardy master class, Torry explores the critical elements of hiring the right people, leading by example, and fostering genuine, authentic relationships in the workplace. Through personal anecdotes, he emphasizes how mentors have shaped his leadership journey and the value of community-driven initiatives.
The episode also touches on the balancing act between work and family life, offering listeners insights into how Torry manages both worlds while staying grounded in his values. As we wrap up the episide, the conversation circles back to reflections on personal growth, leadership, and the enduring power of kindness—key themes that define both Torry’s personal and professional success.
This episode will help you learn the keys to scaling a successful family business while mastering leadership, culture, and personal growth along the way.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today on the Ever Oddware podcast we have Torrey
McIlvaine Jr.
He is the president ofMcIlvaine Companies, one of the
largest construction companiesin Idaho and in the region here
we're excited to have him on.
In addition to being a hugebusiness leader and pillar of
our community, torrey is also onthe Boise State board.
He also serves on multiplecommunity boards and is a huge
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philanthropist.
Here Can't wait to catch upwith Torrey and hear what's
going on with him.
Before Torrey, we're going tohear from Holt Hagen, one of our
partners here for an AllQuestupdate.
Hey, buddy, what's going on?
It's nice to have you back on.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's good to be back.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Played a little golf.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
This summer yeah, played a little golf had a big
tournament yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Big tournament, teams and trades.
That was a teens to trades.
That was a good one.
It was a good one.
Yeah, we had a great time.
That's fun.
It was good.
Really thankful all oursponsors that are listening out
there.
Thank you for helping us out.
We raised a bunch of money forteens to trades.
For anyone hearing it for thefirst time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's a non-profit that we started that takes
at-risk youth, gives themscholarships to cwi in
electrical, hvac, plumbing andwelding yeah, and it's crazy
when you yeah, you see what'sgoing on and we're pumping out
undergrad degrees, but yeah,it's like this whole segment of
the market that yeah, it's justlike underserved it was just
awesome to see all our sponsorsthere now to hear stories.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We've done our first round of scholarship, so it's
cool.
Yeah, um, hey, speaking golfyou've gotten pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I mean you were a competitive son of a B,
aren't you?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You were just you know, I want to talk about can.
I can I hijack the normalall-quist update and just get
something from Holt Hager today?
Okay, I really mean this.
I'm I'm kidding, but I'm not.
We've been partners now for 10years, long time, long time, and
I think when I ever anyone Iknow that knows you well the way
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I know you I don't know that Iknow anyone that's got more of a
drive than you like just boom,boom, boom, boom preparation,
and I can't help but think youwere, you know you were.
You were a Olympic skier.
Us ski team moguls 23 secondsright.
Do I have that right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, you're training for thousands of hours
for those 23-second moments.
Right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, years and years and years.
Boom, you're on the mogul thingand it's both judging your
technique and your aerials andyour tricks.
But also combined with time,right.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Speed, yeah, so intense.
It's a lot of pressure.
It was an insane amount ofpressure, but you knew my dad,
tom Haga, so a lot of this,fortunately came from Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He loved you so much.
He would come back in justglowing.
We'd get the rundown and yougot to think this was a while
ago.
So he'd have these clips or hewould have the way
electronically the files.
We'd sit and watch them and hewas.
It was cool.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, but talk about driven.
I mean a lot of that.
I'm kind of a product of bigTom Haga Right and a product of
of big Tom Haga Right, and so,um, I was fortunate.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Probably for those listening uh Holt's dad was one
of my ER partners, one of thegreatest human beings I've ever
known in my life.
Uh passed away way too early ofprostate cancer but uh, he
would have been proud of you.
But talk about, um, howathletics drive your mentality
every day in this place forbusiness and how they go
together and how you're able touse the mental skills, the drive
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that you figured out the DNA,the talent now in a business
setting, because I think it'sremarkable.
I think there's a lot to learnfrom it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Sure, well, I guess I'll just start kind of just
back up, you know, to when I was10 years old and actually my
dad took me up to Bogus Basinand we went skiing and at night
skiing at Bogus and and I loveskiing, it's amazing, you know
he joined the freestyle team,the mogul team, loved mogul
skiing.
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So it started when I was 10 andby age 11, I had this goal and
this dream of making the US skiteam and skiing in the Olympics.
Like very early on I was 10,and by age 11, I had this goal
and this dream of making the USski team and skiing in the
Olympics.
Like very early on I was likeDad, this is what I want to do,
and so, but as I went down thepath and I started to kind of
develop as an athlete and kindof set goals and do all that, I
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spent probably a decade of doingwhat most people spend their
whole lives doing.
Probably a decade of doing whatmost people spend their whole
lives doing, which is, you know,not really defining success or
approaching your goals properly,where you sort of you take it
at face value.
Right, you have a, you performwell, you're excited, you're
elated.
You have a, you perform poorlyand you're upset and frustrated
(04:44):
and sad, right.
And so it wasn't until, youknow, later in my ski career
that I, kind of, you know, cameto this realization, with the
help of, you know, my dad andcoaches and stuff like that.
But I, I really kind of I youcame to the realization that
that, you know, um, success justisn't linear, um and so um, I,
you know, I think, I think whatI, I almost quit like multiple
(05:07):
times.
You know, when I was 17 yearsold, I first, you know, was the
first year I almost made the USski team missed it by one spot.
The very next year, I missed itagain by one spot.
The third year, I missed itagain by one or two spots and I
just said, you know, I'm doneLike, this is too, I put too
much time into this, tooemotional, too hard, right, and
what it, what it was, is, wasthe adversity.
(05:30):
Just I just couldn't get pastthe adversity.
But but what I, what I thinkyou know I'm kind of getting to
my point, but I think what, whatcame out of all that was this
idea that you know the most.
In my opinion, the mostimportant ingredient to success
is how you manage adversity.
And I think, whether you'retalking about, you know,
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athletics, competitive sports orbusiness, you know achieving
big things is hard, it's reallyhard, and it takes a ton of
effort, takes a just.
I mean there's setbacks, youknow, failures, adversity, I
mean all along the way, and so,you know, it's really easy to
sort of take those failures andinternalize them and create
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these stories and and, and, youknow, not have the discipline to
sort of or the mindset to beable to get past it, right, and
and sort of acknowledge, hey,this isn't, you know, success.
You know, had a goodcompetition, I'm going to reach
my goal faster.
That is not at all the case,right, and so, um, you know, I
think, I think, as I, as I, youknow, kind of take a step back
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now and look at what I learnedfrom skiing.
It's I think that's the biggestthing.
Um, you know, failure is aproduct of taking risk, and you
see that in business all thetime.
Yeah, right, and so it's.
It's really about how you, howyou manage the adversity and and
taking kind of the growthmindset and failing well, and
(06:57):
saying, okay, you know, myperformance wasn't great, I'm
going to learn from this, I'mgoing to, I'm going to evaluate
it, I'm going to learn from this, I'm going to, I'm going to
evaluate it and I'm going toactually grow more because of it
.
And then you take all of that,that basket of you know skills,
and you take it with you to thenext endeavor.
Right, this is powerful.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's like enjoying the journey.
It's understanding it's allstepping blocks that this wisdom
is going to come from adversity.
It's not going to.
You don't gain wisdom whenthings go well.
Absolutely Wisdom comes fromthe adversity and the hard times
right.
And then you string all thattogether and still stay focused
on that end goal.
Even though the pathway mayhave twists and turns, you're
almost anticipating it andenjoying the journey along the
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way.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, yep Process focused, absolutely.
It process focused.
Um, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Stinking awesome.
Yeah, hey, you're the best.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's awesome partnering with you in our
business and doing what we'vedone for a long time.
Hey, man, it's been great.
Hey, you know everything.
I've just said that.
You know, you're one of thepeople I learned from man Like,
and I, I look at the adversity,just even in the last six months
six months, but even like 30days like I mean there's just a
ton of stuff where you're likeHoly crap, like this is crazy.
Like you know all these factorsand these set, these, you know
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setbacks, but just adversity andit's like how are we going to
get through it?
And I think it's going to makeus stronger and and you're one
of the best at it, right, it'slike you're, we're just we got a
team that's here to just kickass.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Can't do without you.
Your dad be proud of you.
Love you, brother.
Yeah, thanks, thank you tommytory.
Thanks for coming on, man yeahthis will be fun, totally.
It'll be fun to get caught uphow you been good.
Yeah, yeah, doing good you guyshave got a lot going on.
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There's McElvain signseverywhere.
Yeah, there's a lot going on.
So, president of McElvainCompanies, one of, if not the
largest construction company inIdaho right?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And you're everywhere right now.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
What are some of the biggest projects?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You now?
Yeah, what are some of thebiggest projects you're doing?
The airport, airport's a bigone.
Uh, finishing up another one,the 12th in idaho.
Um, the author, there's aprobably bigger project for us
you guys cranked on that yeah,it went by pretty fast.
We turned down um five day turncycles on our decks, so
everyone listening.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It's the big oppenheimer.
Yeah, um 26 stories 26 story,yeah, and you had a big sign up
there for a while.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Good job.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, nice, nice marketing.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But you did all the concrete work and it's a.
It was a big job.
I just couldn't believe howfast you did it.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, we had a great team.
Um, we had a great game plangoing into it and we just
executed it and we had a lot ofluck too, and yeah, it was fun.
It was fun.
That's great.
Um else, what are the big ones?
We're doing a lot of work forachd right now, not on their
highway infrastructure side, buta lot on their commercial side.
They're condensing a lot oftheir properties oh are they?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
they doing a big thing right over here, off of
franklin or fairview yep,they're doing one right off of
cloverdale, cloverdale andfranklin, um.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
and then we have two other projects one going on
Apple Street and they'recondensing.
Like I said, they're going tosell their Garden Street and,
well, they're going to condensethat Garden City.
One, yeah, they're going tomove into their new headquarters
, I believe, off Meeker Street,right there, get that, sell
their property and then fundpotentially in the next projects
.
But we got three of them goingon, one about to start.
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So they've been a good client.
It's all CMGC.
So you know, walking themthrough that process more
importantly, like bringing goodvalue for the taxpayers' dollars
and whatnot, and being a goodcitizen when it comes to that
kind of stuff.
So it's been good workingthrough them with that.
A lot of stuff inpre-construction, a lot of stuff
going downtown working with theYMCA, block 68, and whatnot.
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So a lot of stuff that's all inpre-construction and some other
CCDC work.
So a lot of fun stuff.
That's awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Tell us a little about you.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, native Boise.
Well, actually Meridian Idaho,so not too many of us around
here anymore.
I actually grew up right overthere, not too far from here.
A lot smaller town when I grewup here still a great place.
What high school did you go to?
So I went to Meridian HighSchool, transferred over my
junior year to Mountain ViewHigh School.
In 2005 I graduated.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Was it new then 2004?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
yeah, yeah, so that's why I wanted to go there.
All of our friends, footballand whatnot.
We said let's go to the newschool.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So and then BSU.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yep, went to Boise State, got my degree in
accounting, went that route.
I'm a numbers guy, obviously,you know like a lot of
experience in the building side.
But I was always taught like ifyou can run the books, you can
run the numbers, you can go inany industry you want to go.
So it's held true over atMcElwain.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And talk.
I want to get into this withyou because I know it means so
much to you, but thirdgeneration company, yeah, third
generation started at 1980 yeah,some we don't talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't probably appreciate as much.
You know I take a lot of pridein it, but you know, when coming
from guys like that and youknow experience it themselves,
working in the family industry,in a family business, um, yeah,
there's a lot of pride there.
Third generation my grandfatherstarted it.
Him and my grandma moved herefrom California.
Story goes they were drivingthrough Council Idaho.
He's a big, avid hunter Drivingthrough Council Idaho.
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He was probably like 28 yearsold, maybe Stopped through there
.
He's like oh yeah, effie Calledmy wife, or my grandma, serena
Calls her.
Effie Said this is where wewant to live, effie.
So hunted there.
They built a ranch there thatthey still have to this day,
started the company there andthen transported over to Boise.
Idaho yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That's great, and he just passed away.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, he did, he did.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
How's that?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's tough.
You know, he lived an amazinglife, such an inspiration to me
personally.
He lived an amazing life, suchan inspiration to me personally,
a lot of all my family as well,my cousins, my aunts, obviously
my dad as well.
It's been tough to havesomebody who's been such a big
inspiration in your life, justbigger-than-life figure, to see
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him at the end of his life.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It's very intimate.
It's different.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Because he was larger than life.
That guy was like the guy,totally forever right, and I
mean the most, the.
The biggest thing you can sayis, you know, like he's had a
lot of success in a lot ofdifferent areas in life, but at
the end of his life he had allof his family there and to me
that was my biggest takeaway.
It was like, wow, he did thatright.
He had all of his family there.
Everybody, like, everything hecreated was all from him and
everybody was there to like, bewith him, and that's to me like
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the biggest takeaway, howimportant that family is.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I've never is your grandmother still, she is.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, they were married for 64 years, that's
incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
How's she doing?
She's doing good, it'sincredible.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
How's she doing?
She's doing good.
She misses him.
Their dynamics on how they playout on her role.
If any of them were to passfirst, it's him is the good one,
she's the stronger one as itrelates to it.
She can probably be on her own.
He would have never survivedwithout her being with him.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Imagine that 64 years yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
That's a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's a long time to just be together and and well,
you know, the first time I heardher name.
It's a funny story.
I'm probably never told youthis, but when my son was in boy
scouts, he was doing his eaglescout project and he said hey,
dad, I want to do somethingthat's different.
I want to do something that'smeaningful.
And I said, well, what do youwant to do?
And anyway, he kind of lookedat a bunch of different projects
(14:24):
.
But he said I want to dosomething that's meaningful.
And I said, well, what do youwant to do?
And anyway, he kind of lookedat a bunch of different projects
but he said I want to go do aremodel for the WCA's shelter
and it's named after yourgrandma.
Yeah, serena's house.
Yeah, so it's Serena's house,it's.
It's supposed to be kind of offthe beaten path and hidden,
cause that's where women go thathave been abused and it's their
shelter.
But that was one of the firsttimes I said, well, tell me
about this.
And they're like oh, you know,mcelvain's did this whole thing
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and for them and I do think it'spart of your grandpa's and your
dad and your family legacy youget your fingerprints all over
this valley with things thatyou've done or given back or
ways you've just made adifference in people's lives and
how important is that to you inpeople's lives and how
important is that to you?
And then go back to kind of hislife and and and just must be a
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tremendous value to you to sayI learned this directly from
this guy that was socommunity-minded.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, totally.
I mean, I don't know any otherway.
Luckily, like I was, I justlearned from my father, my
grandfather, on just how to takecare of people and to always do
the right thing.
They were big proponents, bigbelievers, especially my
grandfathers.
If you just take care of theclient, you just take care of
the customer, you take care ofyour employees, you just do the
right thing, you treat womenright, all those good things,
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everything just kind of worksout right.
It's not about the bottom line,it's just about the process
getting better.
You know, being around greatpeople making people better, and
it's just.
It's a value that I've taken alot of appreciation.
You know they do a lot ofthings, obviously publicly my
father, my grandfather did butprobably more importantly, they
did a lot of more things behindthe doors and that's probably
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the biggest takeaway I'velearned from them on.
It's not about them beingrecognized or getting anything
out of it, it's truly aboutmaking a difference for
individuals, and that's whatit's about and that's always
stuck with me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Super powerful.
I didn't know how many brothersand sisters your dad has.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
There's four total, so he's got three siblings yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And he's the youngest .
Your dad's a great guy too.
The only other thing I was veryclose my grandpa was like my
hero, my idol Died at arelatively young age.
He had one of the first heartvalve artificial heart valves
ever put in, and then when I was, I was actually in Brazil on my
mission when he died, but itwas devastating to me.
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But one of the things that Ijust it's hard to realize, but
death is also like so that I, Ijust it's it's hard to realize,
but death is also like so whenyou go through it it's so final.
I know that sounds weird.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's why, when I said but it's like like you're
just there and you have thisperson that you love and they
mean the world to you and youknow it's going to happen.
And then, when it happens,you're just like, oh wow, we do
have a limited time to make adifference down here and to live
our lives.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Has it been weird for you?
Yeah, it was really weird forme it's.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's definitely made me think about a lot of
different things about the endof life, no doubt about it.
Um, it's also made me think howit's unfortunate that it takes
moments like this to put thingsin perspective and questioning,
you know why, can't on a moredaily basis we live in this, you
know, energy to where we're,just we're, we're more
appreciative of life and not getcaught up in the just the chaos
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that we live in.
And you know, that's, to me,the one thing I'm really trying
to take away and think about,like, how do I get more in that
zone?
And and think about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'm not just saying the story of all like.
There's a group of you guysthat are kind of the young guns.
I call you.
You're the young leaders oftomorrow for our valley and
you're one of those guys.
As the world evolves right andI'm an old guy now, so I can say
this to you all right, your dadwould say this to you too, but
it just seems like it was alittle slower before.
(18:03):
I don't know whether it wastechnology or the fact that you
didn't have emails and texts andyou were always present with
business.
But as life changes and itseems really busy, how do we not
lose for you guys, the nextgeneration of leaders that run
this whole thing, how do youkeep that personal touch and not
(18:24):
lose track of what your grandpastood for?
Yeah, have you thought aboutthat?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yes, I have thought about that.
Um, I think it's what it'sgoing to come down to is just
leading by example.
I think I appreciate what yousaid there, um, taking in groups
of guys like that gals and guys, community leaders and just
living off and being an exampleof what we're talking about and
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having other people that we leador people that we're close with
, and having them see ouractions and our behaviors.
I think that's a good way tokind of like inspire and
motivate people, just toactually live it, because
probably for yourself mespecifically like if I think
about the best coaches I've everhad or some of the most
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influential people, they're theones who always called me out on
my BS or just lived the exampleright, and so to me, that's
like how we do it is we just doit and we talk about it and we
live it and just, you know,hopefully, bring others too and
let them hear on you know whatto do.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I can only imagine, as you think of your grandfather
, his services soon, right nextweek or something that's
probably one of his hallmarks,right, which was lead by example
, like one of the things mydad's always said forever.
He's like lead by example, usewords when necessary.
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Right, it's like you can say it.
You can even say it with agenuine tone.
Or like you can spend all thetime you want trying to create
an environment for you to leadin, but you can ruin that entire
environment and everything youput time in if, for one minute,
you don't walk the walk.
Yeah, oh, absolutely,especially on a company like
yours, absolutely.
I mean, you've got a hugecompany that you're now leading
and you probably spend atremendous amount of time on
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culture and effort and visionand strategy and where are we
going to go as a company?
But if they look at you knowTory McIlwain leading us and
it's not what you're saying, itdoesn't matter, it's just being
genuine and authentic all thetime.
Tremendous amount of pressureto do that.
None of us are perfect.
We make mistakes, and I thinkthat's the time to be authentic,
right, when that happens, andsay, okay, I'm not perfect
either, but but hey, we're allin this together, kind of thing.
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But that's cool, I do.
Can I shift to your dad?
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
He's a good guy.
Mentors yeah, what a, what atremendous.
He's trying to retire a littlebit, right you can't, you can't
fully.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, playing more golf.
Yeah, oh yeah.
How was it learning under hiskind of tutelage last?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
it was awesome.
You hear a lot of differentstories on father-son dynamics,
some good, some bad, someinteresting.
You know, luckily for tory andI I call him senior luckily for
tory and I we, uh, we justalways kept the main thing, the
main thing, like we.
We always had a greatrelationship at work.
We just got along well.
I knew and respected how heoperated, so I knew how to
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engage, how did he operate?
He didn't give me any slack.
I can tell you that he operatedone way, the only way he knew,
and it was just to go full swing, go all in and just do what he
does best.
One way, the only way he knew,and it was just to go full swing
, go all in and just do what hedoes best.
You know Hands-on guy, justvery hands-on, but definitely
listens to the team around him,and you know just very smart in
how he thinks about things likerisk management and whatnot.
(21:37):
Great instincts, right, greatinstincts, yeah, there you go.
Great instincts, yeah.
So to work for him was it wasfine, it worked great, because I
looked up to him so much.
You know he was the type to,luckily for me, just kind of
trial by error.
So that's how I learned and itworked well for me.
That's how I enjoy.
I'd rather just kind of gofigure it out and make mistakes
(21:57):
on my own and learn, and that'stwo for him.
Like he would rather see thatand see how you can become of it
.
So you know that dynamic justworked well for us.
But tremendous, one of the best, if not the best, businessmen
I've ever known.
Just so smart.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know I've, I've asked him questions or just I
mean I've just leaned on himbecause there's there's so much
wisdom there.
Yeah, he and, I think,instincts.
If I had to think about oneword for your dad, it's just
NSYNC and it's drive and it'skind of just knowing how to do
business.
Got to be tremendously blessedto have that experience.
How has it been, like youtaking over and kind of running
things, and I know you have areally great team?
(22:33):
Talk a little bit about yourleadership structure and kind of
the company today.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So I started getting into more of my role about four
years ago.
I've been with the company for12 years.
About four years ago, though,really started working directly
for Senior Slowly him gettingout of that process was about
two years and then been in mycurrent role for about two years
now.
The leadership that we have inplace is awesome.
(23:03):
So one thing you know that youknow my father.
What he wanted with a companyum was a certain size to where
he can manage all of his risk.
That was very important to him.
You know that was how he lookedat the his business um.
A slightly different me learningeverything that I did from him
and how to manage risk and whatto look for.
My outlook was more like heylook, I think if we put you know
(23:26):
tremendous individuals in thesekey leadership positions, you
know we can scale and we canstill manage our risk.
It's really just having theright individuals that we can
trust.
So let's build a team.
So, taking that, it took twoyears to get to where we're at
right now.
Two and a half years to reallyjust put all the right pieces in
.
We've got a great team.
My whole thing is I don't wantto be the smartest one in the
(23:48):
room.
I want to surround myself withthe best.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You've got to be pretty secure with yourself to
do that, but it's so true.
Yeah, right.
Well, if you think you are,you're not.
Yeah, I was with Kent Orm thismorning.
We gave a talk at a thing andand uh to the Boise young
professionals for the bookchamber and he's the former CEO
of ICCU and what's one of?
the things he said to everyonetoday is like, hey, any of you
(24:10):
out there that think you're thesmartest one in the room, you're
not and you should probably butthat, that idea of having that
humility to say, hey, I want tosurround myself with people that
I can listen to and can growthis thing, you have this thing.
You have to be secure in that.
Yeah right, yeah, totally, andyou're around and you've seen
them.
There are people that don'tsubscribe to that and it's
painful to watch sometimesbecause it's like man, if you
(24:32):
just listened, yeah right, yeah,was was senior, like that oh
yeah, he was very and I probablylearned that a lot from him,
luckily.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So same way just again success over here and this
and that and smart you wouldhave never known.
Just a very humble individual,didn't really raise it or
overstep and say no, like that.
That's probably a lot of whereI learned it was through him.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yes, that's great, yeah how, uh, how have you
getting the right people on theteam, put them in the right
place, listening to them?
How are you currently managingculture, which is another big
part, especially in a valleylike ours where there's so many
constraints on employees and atevery level?
Right, yeah, how do you keepthat team engaged, motivated
together, looking forward with astrategy?
(25:16):
Yeah, how have you done that?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
no good question.
So again back to about twoyears, two and a half years ago,
when we started putting thesepieces in together, I
specifically remember I was.
I was at a darren hardy youever heard of.
I specifically remember I was.
I was at a Darren Hardy.
You ever heard of Darren Hardy?
Yeah, yeah.
So I was at a Darren Hardymaster business class and we got
to a section the last day onculture and it was talking about
like, if you know, you know,and it was talking about just
like toxic individuals or yourcultures, and I was just
(25:50):
thinking like man, I want tostart building this team, how I
want to build it.
So I just kind of wrote downsome names, positions of what,
so we can start structuring someand reorganizing some things
down.
And then, you know, from thatpoint we just started, you know,
making moves and at that, whatI, what I?
What I mean by that isfundamentally at the foundation
I said, ok, we got to hire theright, we got to build this
thing from the ground up, fromthe foundation up, right, so we
need to hire the right people,we need to look at our team, we
need to build a culture, andwhat we did is.
(26:11):
We came up with the 12attributes and we said, at a
minimum, if these individualsdon't even have these attributes
, it's a non-starter for us,right?
And it's simple stuff, likebeing a team player, motivated,
like highly inspirational, thatkind of stuff.
It's not so much on thetechnical side as it is as like
(26:31):
on the individual.
So we went through that, westayed true to that in the
hiring process.
So you know we get all theseapplications and you know you
weed through a lot and it'stough, but we stay true to it.
And to fast forward to where weare now, you know we brought in
the right people always, and Ithink they appreciate that too.
Going through that interviewprocess knowing that we're just
not going to hire anybody, youknow, it's almost like they had
to earn it.
So we're bringing in the rightpeople.
You know we do have a youngergroup at our company, which is
(26:55):
awesome, you know, so we canstay together as a unit for the
next.
You know 15, 20 years have agreat run.
So culturally, since we are alittle bit younger too, it does
make things easier.
You know for me what I'm moreused to right, at some point in
time in 20 years I'm going tohave to be like, okay, you guys
have to help on this culturething.
I don't know what's going on,but for right now I can.
(27:15):
I can think of things that Ithink a lot of people would
enjoy and we just we focus onthat and we have a lot of fun in
our.
Our culture is really about, um, I like people to think like
entrepreneurs.
I like them to think of justnew ideas.
There's no bad idea.
Don't ever just, you know,don't not raise your hand right
and again surrounding ourselves,built, having the best builders
(27:36):
, having the best team, um, andjust having again, having fun
like we're.
This is the time of our lives,boise's.
We are so lucky like, yes, um,you know, mackleman has a long
history in this market, veryfortunate, yes, you know, we
have great team, great builders.
But, man, we are lucky to bewhere we are right now too, and
that has a lot to do with oursuccess.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So people are having fun with it too I'm sitting here
listening to you and I'm justsmiling because it is so true.
Once you you build it's hard tobuild, but once you build it,
you almost create this thingthat it never.
This is not true.
It doesn't self-sustain itself.
You always have to give itattention and be doing very
(28:17):
intentional activities to keepyour culture.
But it does start gainingmomentum, right, Because then
you get people that buy into theculture.
That are those you know, those12 attributes, and then they're
there and they're like hey, thisis my thing.
And then you bring in the nextperson and it's like.
It's almost like you get thismomentum around.
I really appreciate that.
I'm really grateful for us here, because we've kind of done
(28:37):
that and it was hard at first.
But what I found is then youbring someone in that kind of
doesn't fit.
Even then you bring someone inthat kind of doesn't fit.
Even if you screened them andinterviewed them or whatever,
they get exposed pretty earlyand they actually don't like it.
It's not good for either of youIf you're like, hey, pressure
cooker probably was, probablywasn't a great fit to begin with
.
But I love that and I think,ultimately the people that work
(28:58):
for you, the people that work inthe industry.
You want to be part ofsomething that's bigger than
yourself.
Yeah, you want to be part ofsomething that you feel.
I always tell people that workfor us like we want you to love
your family and have that beyour priority.
We want your work family tofeel like you're going you're
going to your second family,that you want to be here, that
you're part of something bigger,and that's something we talk
about a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What you just said is my whole thing is I like to
keep it real, so we preach thatall the time and talk about that
Like I want people to show upthe best versions of themselves,
not just at work, yeah Right,but just be the best husband.
You can't be the best wife.
You can't be the best parentlike work in the community, and
I'm always pushing for that andchallenging people just to
become better.
(29:36):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You guys do a lot in the community, a lot, almost
everything that's you know.
You're just always there, infact, thank you.
Monday was our nonprofit Teensto Trades, where we're trying to
get at-risk kids into plumbing,electrical, hvac and welding,
and you guys were there, hugesponsors of it.
Thank you very much.
But talk about this place likejust our community, how special
(30:01):
it is to you, maybe somechallenges with it growing and
and and what do you see for forkind of the treasure valley over
the next few years?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
yeah, no good question.
Um, again, being from boisemeridian area, the most
important thing to me was alwaysjust the community, meaning
it's always going to be a safecommunity, and that was always
where I wanted my kids to be andto grow up with.
So if population grows,demographics and all that stuff,
(30:30):
it increases.
That's okay, as long as this isstill the same community that I
was raised in and I want mykids to be raised, and that's to
me the most important thing.
You know, I think we have greatgreat people here.
We got man.
We have great great people here.
We got man.
We have great companies.
We got great leaders.
We got great people all withinthis community.
One thing I do appreciate aboutthis community that you know
(30:51):
working with developers andwhatnot from out of state
they're always just dumbfoundedis how quickly some things we
can get moved around hereBecause of our connections and
our relationships.
You know Idaho's we're not likeTexas or California.
You can get a hold of thegovernor, you can get a hold of
the mayors and actually havereal relationships right and do
things to get the things moving.
(31:13):
But it's not just work, it'salso for the people.
The community does a great jobfor the families here that they
live in and whatnot.
It's just a great place to be.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's interesting because, as you're talking, I,
it's just a great place to be.
It's interesting because, asyou're talking, I'm thinking
about, like you think, of allthe different factors that have
to go into creating an amazingplace to raise your family.
But it is like it is the citiesand their ethos and what they
believe in.
It is the companies that arehere, it's the nonprofits that
are here, it's the chambers,it's the governor, it's the,
it's so many things go intocreating this place and keeping
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it what it is.
And it's always going to be arisk, but I do, I hope, I'm
hopeful that it is special.
I mean, you talk to peoplearound other you know we go, do
work in other cities and it'snot like this everywhere.
And so hopefully thosenewcomers feel welcomed, that
they feel like they're part ofus and they kind of buy into,
(32:03):
kind of what the heritage of thevalley has been, because I do
think it's very much acollaborative thing yeah, back
to leading by example.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If they see how we operate and they'll want that's
how they'll operate, and I thinkit's super inviting too.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I, I, I just know of people that are newer here.
Well, I'll use one example willgustafson, as a developer and,
and you know, he just donatedthe the River Club for a golf
tournament Monday.
That guy, he's come here andhe's like a community member
already.
He's a great guy.
Okay, can we shift to BoiseState a little bit?
(32:35):
Yeah, you're a huge, huge BoiseState guy.
Yeah, big, big game lastSaturday, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Big game.
It was good.
They literally could havebeaten Oregon at home.
It would have been amazing.
They played a good game.
You know special teams isprobably what got them.
You know those are big swingingmomentum plays, but overall I
think they played a fantasticgame, something they should be
very proud of.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh, I thought it was great, I thought they had them.
I honestly, jenty isunbelievable.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He is the best running back in the entire
country.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I've never seen anything like it, and that was
against Oregon.
They're good, they're great,they're fast, they're physical.
So I think he's just going totear up the Mountain.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
West.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't know how he's going to ever stop the guy.
I do worry.
He gets hit so much.
Well, he's just a physical.
I mean he dishes out we so much.
Well, he's just a physical, hedishes out.
We were talking about it atlunch today.
He dishes out as much pain ashe takes.
He's punishing, but it is.
It's a lot of physical contact,but he's fantastic.
What do you think about thequarterback?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I think, matt, he played a good game.
I think Cutter's got him dialedand figured out pretty well to
make quick decisions, get theball out of his hands, and I
think Cutter's got him.
He's a good system quarterback,what he's working with right
now.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I mean the fact that you've got Dirk Cutter.
Oh yeah, I mean come on.
Yeah, he's helping that wholesituation out pretty well.
It's just like a dream to havehim.
You can't even imagine thewisdom and all the years of
calling plays and doing whathe's done at all levels.
Yeah, kind of being there, thethe thing that that is.
Um, they've they, the mountainwest, the whole college football
(34:08):
.
Can we talk a little bit aboutnil?
Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Because I know you guys are,yeah, helpful, yeah, I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
My thoughts are everywhere.
Some days I'm like what I do,yeah, I know.
What I do know is this is I dothink college athletes should be
compensated.
To what degree?
Open for interpretation.
On all that Also, what I doknow it is the Wild West, oh man
, and it's going to get evencrazier until, unfortunately, it
(34:36):
gets, you know, the governmentsteps in and they, you know, or
they put collective bargainingagreements.
It's just, it's the Wild West.
Also, too, what I do know isfor Boise State.
It does hurt colleges likeBoise State, to where Texas, a&m
and all that they can cut $50million checks.
Boise State sustainabilitycannot do that.
You can go to a donor once ortwice, that's fine, but to do
(34:58):
that year after year, it's justnot sustainable.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, there's no contracts, right?
Yeah, so you talk to people.
I don't understand it.
Do you think we end up going?
I've heard Kyle Whittinghamtalk about, you know, some big
super conference where it'salmost like a semi-pro league
where everyone gets paid.
I mean, I don't know where thisthing goes, but it is wild
right now.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, private money will get involved.
They'll start to dictate it.
It'll probably happen over thenext two or three years.
I'll tell you this, being acollege coach.
That would completely changethe game.
Now, being a, college coach.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I've heard, I've heard a couple people say like
it's not like recruiting andkeeping a kid once, or even once
a year.
It's like almost every week,yeah, you're trying to keep them
from transferring and there'smoney being thrown around
everywhere.
It's got to be.
It's got really hard.
I'm really, I'm reallysurprised, grateful that
Jeremiah is sticking around.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal, yeah, that's a big
extension for all of them.
I mean specifically like how welike to roll.
You know, malcolm and my familyis like again, it's more like
you're reaching out to theprogram basketball or football
and it's like what do you needhelp with?
How can we help what playersyou know need help, et cetera,
something like that.
That's really cool, it's been.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's been fun to have .
I mean, we're, we're a big city, but but that's kind of the
only game in town oh yeah, it isthe it's the game and it's,
it's it's been really cool towatch them thrive as much in in
so many sports, and I thinkjeremiah is a huge part of that
yeah I mean the energy that guybrings and vision drive that
he's got it's.
It's been really cool to watch.
(36:29):
I I thought he was going to begone, gone.
Yeah, I just did.
I thought I thought someone'sgoing to come swoop him up and
pay him a gazillion dollars andbecause he is, he's the real
deal.
Yeah, so that's good.
That's good.
Um what?
What are you, what are youlooking forward to um with with
the company in the coming monthsand years?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I'm looking forward to continued growth, and when I
say growth, I don't really meanfinancial growth or anything
like that.
It's just a byproduct.
I'm talking about justcontinued growth as it relates
to just our momentum.
You know, being a part ofspecial projects.
To me, the funnest thing isbeing a part of a special,
(37:15):
special projects, so it's like acommunity-based project or
special developers.
It's fun just, you know, beinga part of those teams and being
a part of something special thatyou can always drive by like,
yeah, I was part of that orhelped out on that.
So I'm really excited to thinkabout that.
We got some other stuff in thein the works that we're
strategically thinking about,that we can probably start
rolling out over the course ofthe next year.
So that will really set us upfor the next 10 years and really
excited about all that kind ofstuff.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
So that's great.
Well, you uh, um, my son-in-law, matthew.
He's a great guy, but when Itold him, I said, hey, what
should I talk to Tori about?
He's like you need to talk tohim about just just leadership.
I mean, you're how old?
You?
37, 37.
So you're like, you're like inthe prime of kind of this next
(37:57):
generation of leader.
Talk about some cause I knowyou take this really seriously.
Talk about just your ownpersonal growth, your personal,
the way you take care of yourown self, so you could be your
best self for your family, foryour, for everything else,
because I I do.
I do know you're a leader inthat way too, and I think
there's a lot of things thatpeople could learn from you.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, on some of that I appreciate that, uh, yeah, my
whole mo on this is I don'tread leadership books
necessarily or this, and that Ijust go back to the fundamental
principles.
You know, stoicism has helpedme a lot.
Um, I've been sober now for sixyears too, so I've done a lot
of introspection and reflectionand all that kind of stuff.
(38:35):
Through that process I reallygot down to the basics of just
fundamentally just saying whatyou're going to do or doing what
you're going to say, right,having good values and making
decisions on the rightintentions and just treating
people fairly.
Values and making decisions onthe right intentions and just
treating people fairly.
Just, if you focus on just doingthe right thing, to me, like
(38:56):
leadership just kind of happensright, because if you don't even
have those fundamental things,you can't fool people.
Right?
You're just talking out yourbutt.
Right, you're lying, you're not.
You know, walking the walk.
It's so easy to see, it's soeasy to see.
So I've always just I justfocus about that.
So for me personally, it's likeokay, work doesn't matter, just
(39:16):
always do the right thing.
Like always just do the rightthing Right.
It's not that hard, just do theright thing Right.
Um, and for my personaldevelopment it's.
It's important for me that Idevelop, you know, stages in my
life.
You know, like you said, I'm inmy prime 37.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I appreciate that Feeling pretty old right now I'm
getting a little gray hair, butI appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
But the stage of my life I'm in right now is, you
know, it's pretty chaotic, right.
Yeah, there's a lot going on.
How old are your kids?
I got a five-year-old, afour-year-old and a
four-year-old and a two-year-old.
It's insane right now.
And I got a great wife, abeautiful, amazing wife.
But I'm in the stage where I gotthe kids, I got work, I got
some other businesses too.
(39:58):
It's just a lot of work and Igot my relationship with my wife
.
So for me it's like okay, howdo I?
Because I think it is important, you know, I I want my kids, at
the end of the day, to have arelationship with me.
That's the most important thing.
I don't want them to say, youknow, I want my kids, at the end
of the day, to have arelationship with me.
That's the most important thing.
I don't want them to say, youknow, work was more important.
However, I want them to seewhat a work ethic is and I want
to teach them that, and I don'tthink it's necessarily a bad
(40:20):
thing to be busy in all theseaspects.
So it's important that I dothese things, but I plan them as
efficient as I can so then thatway, you know, I can have my
time with, I can have my timewith them, I can have my time
with my wife, that I'm reallydisciplined when it comes to
that kind of stuff, which allowsme to do a lot of different
things, so for me that's helpeda lot.
I got my wife is amazing,honestly.
We've kind of worked a pack outto where she's like, hey,
(40:43):
monday through Friday, you dowhat you need to do, just you
know, let me know by like fiveo'clock if you're gonna be home
for dinner or not, don't care.
And but on the flip side, thatmeans Saturday and Sundays is
her and the kids time, you know.
So that's kind of like thecompromise and the fact that we
made so, allowing me to focusand not have pressure from home,
(41:03):
has been huge right also justmaking sure like I'm
prioritizing my time and thisand I'm not just wasting time so
I can be there for my kids, Ican be there for the employees
and I can like build thebusiness and then, like you said
, like taking care of myself.
I'm pretty active, working out.
I've always been, just you know, growing up, so having a
morning routine, stayingphysical and just really staying
(41:26):
grounded and like why I'm doingall this and what my my passion
is.
It's like just working on those.
You know I'm trying to read,I'm trying to learn.
You know I appreciate youletting me be on here.
You know, admire you andeverything that you've done and
how you've done it.
So like I like to learn andwatch individuals who have been
successful mentors and whatnot.
So finding mentors, taking careof myself physically, making
(41:49):
sure my wife and allrelationships good and the kids
have a relationship.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I mean that's that is beautifully said.
In fact, I I'm thinking back toI was with a one of my mentors.
I'll never forget the moment ithappened, cause I always
worried about balance right,that word balance.
Cause you're like, oh gosh, Inever.
There's just so many competinginterests and you you're trying
your hardest to divide things upand you have the best
(42:14):
intentions and you don't want tolet anyone down in your life
your spouse, your kids, yourbusiness, your nonprofit
commitments and the ways youvolunteer your time.
And you're trying to balance itall.
And he said to me it wasprofound when he said this he's
like you're looking at it wrong.
Said to me it was.
It was profound when he saidthis he's like you're looking at
it wrong.
He's like, if you stay humbleand grateful and you check your
(42:35):
priorities at the door every day, you may have a day on a Monday
or Tuesday that is so dominatedby work that it needs to be,
but as long as your prioritiesthat day were those things, it's
also your attitude, right?
Are you checking in, are youbeing kind?
Are you being you know, are youyou know?
And he's like then you're goingto have a day where it is hey,
I've got this time my family isgoing to dominate.
(42:57):
But I'm not but, but.
But he said even though thehours may change, the commitment
and the priorities are the sameevery day.
Yeah, and I said, well, tell me, I mean, cause it's been
something I've always worriedabout, because I've had times in
my life where I was working inthe ER and I was doing
development and I was donatingmy time to our church and I look
(43:18):
at my kids and I'm like, oh man, how do I do all this?
But it it changed me, cause I'mlike, okay, I'm going to check
myself for the door every dayand make sure that my priorities
are straight, and as long asthey're straight and genuine and
I'm and I'm, and I feel goodabout those and I'm being kind
and loving the people I need tolove the most, the rest is going
to work itself out.
I think it was powerful for me.
It's not about time it's about.
(43:39):
It's about are your prioritiesalways where they should be, and
how do you keep yourself incheck?
And that's kind of what youjust said in a in a more
eloquent way.
But that's what it's all about.
It's figuring that out, and thesooner you figure it out, the
better you figure it out.
How do you one of the things Ilove about you and your family
and I don't know if this isgoing to sound, I don't know how
that's going to come across,but you're some of the kindest
(43:59):
people I mean kindness, right,just simple, like anything you
need, I'm there for you.
How does does that come from?
Just the McElvain ethos andjust DNA, and how important is
that in business?
Speaker 3 (44:15):
just being a good person, totally Well.
I've always been on the mindsetlike, just treat everybody.
You never know who your nextclient is.
So even when you're atAlbertsons, whoever is bagging
your groceries, treat them withrespect.
Always open the door.
You never know where your nextlead might come from.
But I'm not saying that becauseI'm always thinking about like
how do I get the next?
Like that's just the mentalityI have, like you never know
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where life's going to take you.
So it's not about work.
It could be you know the nextperson you hire, right.
Like you can just, you know,inspire somebody, a single
mother or a working parent.
You can bring them on your teamand help their life get better.
You never know how you're goingto interact with somebody.
So just to live life like thatin general is just I mean, I
just don't know any other way.
But that's just kind of thementality I have and how it
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feeds into business.
Again, it's the same mindset.
Just you never know wherelife's going to take you.
Work's going to take you.
Treat everybody with respect.
If it comes around, it's meantto be I just love that.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I'm going to tell a quick story just because it just
happened this week, but, um, itkind of goes along those lines.
One of one of I was able to bewith Ken Orm again this morning
and he is just one of thekindest, best examples of a
leader.
You look at the way he led ICCUfor 20 years.
Whatever it was, he he's justalways on and I've I've asked
him before.
I've said how do you do it?
Like I'm around you in a lot ofsituations?
You know you have 1,500 orwhatever employees and you know
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all their birthdays and I watchhim interact with people and I'm
like you're just and he's likeit's just.
I've had to, it's real, I'mgenuine, it's not fake, but I
just try to be kind to everyonebecause they're all important to
me and it's been such a goodexample.
So I told him the story today.
So, um, back going back 2000,.
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So 22, 23 years ago, we weregiven an assignment to help a
family that was struggling andour family helped this family
and we ended up it was forChristmas, but we ended up
helping them over a period oftime and, um, and they were
great people and we ended upgetting pretty close to them my
family, my kids and then I kindof lost track of them.
And about four or five yearsago I was walking across the
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Grove Plaza and this kid ran upto me and he's like hey, how are
you doing, tommy?
And, and for a minute, you knowhow you?
see somebody and you're justlike what, what do I know you
from?
And it was this Cesar Valencia,this kid, that was this little
teeny baby.
When I first met the family andhe was working for ICCU and he
sat there on the plaza and hetold me I said, what are you
(46:41):
doing?
He's like I'm working for ICCU.
And then he proceeded to tellme how much Kent Orme had
influenced him.
So I have this meeting and I'mlike, oh my gosh, here's this
kid that I knew where he camefrom and I saw it, and now he's
thriving at ICCU and hespecifically was mentioning Kent
, who was the CEO of the company.
I'm like kind of all worldscolliding and I'm like this is
(47:03):
so cool that I know Kent, I knowhow genuine and how much it
meant to Cesar, and so then I'mflash forwarding.
It's a long story getting tothis week.
This week he now is in theirwealth management division.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So he came to our office and I heard his voice and
I'm like, who is that?
And anyway, he's going to belike our private banker now.
That's amazing.
So today, when I saw Kent, I'mlike man, I love you man.
And I'm like man, I love youman.
And I just like thanks for yourexample.
And I told him the story and hewept.
He just like this is cool.
(47:37):
It's just cool to watch how, ifyou do make a difference in
people's life, if you just keeptrying and again, we're never
perfect but if we just try to dothe right thing and be kind and
lead and guide, that it doespay off in the long run.
And I think that's uh, tori,it's been awesome having you on,
because I think that's yourfamily, that is, that is your
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legacy.
It's gotta be a tremendousamount of pressure, too.
You ever feel that.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
No, I don't, I don't.
I don't, cause I just don'treally think like that.
I'm just feel comfortableknowing I got a great team, I
got a great mentor and seniorand we're just going to go have
fun and like I know, just like alot of hard work and it'll work
out.
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Well, hey, thanks for coming on.
It went by way too fast.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, that was fast.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I appreciate what you guys do in the community.
Thanks for always being there.
You know, call away and nomatter what it is, McIlvain
steps up and that's a greatexample for this community.
Thanks for doing it for a long,long time.
Well, I appreciate you.
Thanks for having me on thisshow.
Thanks for coming on, Thank you, Thanks everybody.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
See you.
Today on the Ever Oddware podcast we have Torrey
McIlvaine Jr.
He is the president ofMcIlvaine Companies, one of the
largest construction companiesin Idaho and in the region here
we're excited to have him on.
In addition to being a hugebusiness leader and pillar of
our community, torrey is also onthe Boise State board.
He also serves on multiplecommunity boards and is a huge
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philanthropist.
Here Can't wait to catch upwith Torrey and hear what's
going on with him.
Before Torrey, we're going tohear from Holt Hagen, one of our
partners here for an AllQuestupdate.
Hey, buddy, what's going on?
It's nice to have you back on.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's good to be back.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Played a little golf.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
This summer yeah, played a little golf had a big
tournament yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Big tournament, teams and trades.
That was a teens to trades.
That was a good one.
It was a good one.
Yeah, we had a great time.
That's fun.
It was good.
Really thankful all oursponsors that are listening out
there.
Thank you for helping us out.
We raised a bunch of money forteens to trades.
For anyone hearing it for thefirst time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's a non-profit that we started that takes
at-risk youth, gives themscholarships to cwi in
electrical, hvac, plumbing andwelding yeah, and it's crazy
when you yeah, you see what'sgoing on and we're pumping out
undergrad degrees, but yeah,it's like this whole segment of
the market that yeah, it's justlike underserved it was just
awesome to see all our sponsorsthere now to hear stories.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We've done our first round of scholarship, so it's
cool.
Yeah, um, hey, speaking golfyou've gotten pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I mean you were a competitive son of a B,
aren't you?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You were just you know, I want to talk about can.
I can I hijack the normalall-quist update and just get
something from Holt Hager today?
Okay, I really mean this.
I'm I'm kidding, but I'm not.
We've been partners now for 10years, long time, long time, and
I think when I ever anyone Iknow that knows you well the way
(01:51):
I know you I don't know that Iknow anyone that's got more of a
drive than you like just boom,boom, boom, boom preparation,
and I can't help but think youwere, you know you were.
You were a Olympic skier.
Us ski team moguls 23 secondsright.
Do I have that right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, you're training for thousands of hours
for those 23-second moments.
Right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, years and years and years.
Boom, you're on the mogul thingand it's both judging your
technique and your aerials andyour tricks.
But also combined with time,right.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Speed, yeah, so intense.
It's a lot of pressure.
It was an insane amount ofpressure, but you knew my dad,
tom Haga, so a lot of this,fortunately came from Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He loved you so much.
He would come back in justglowing.
We'd get the rundown and yougot to think this was a while
ago.
So he'd have these clips or hewould have the way
electronically the files.
We'd sit and watch them and hewas.
It was cool.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, but talk about driven.
I mean a lot of that.
I'm kind of a product of bigTom Haga Right and a product of
of big Tom Haga Right, and so,um, I was fortunate.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Probably for those listening uh Holt's dad was one
of my ER partners, one of thegreatest human beings I've ever
known in my life.
Uh passed away way too early ofprostate cancer but uh, he
would have been proud of you.
But talk about, um, howathletics drive your mentality
every day in this place forbusiness and how they go
together and how you're able touse the mental skills, the drive
(03:30):
that you figured out the DNA,the talent now in a business
setting, because I think it'sremarkable.
I think there's a lot to learnfrom it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Sure, well, I guess I'll just start kind of just
back up, you know, to when I was10 years old and actually my
dad took me up to Bogus Basinand we went skiing and at night
skiing at Bogus and and I loveskiing, it's amazing, you know
he joined the freestyle team,the mogul team, loved mogul
skiing.
(03:59):
So it started when I was 10 andby age 11, I had this goal and
this dream of making the US skiteam and skiing in the Olympics.
Like very early on I was 10,and by age 11, I had this goal
and this dream of making the USski team and skiing in the
Olympics.
Like very early on I was likeDad, this is what I want to do,
and so, but as I went down thepath and I started to kind of
develop as an athlete and kindof set goals and do all that, I
(04:19):
spent probably a decade of doingwhat most people spend their
whole lives doing.
Probably a decade of doing whatmost people spend their whole
lives doing, which is, you know,not really defining success or
approaching your goals properly,where you sort of you take it
at face value.
Right, you have a, you performwell, you're excited, you're
elated.
You have a, you perform poorlyand you're upset and frustrated
(04:44):
and sad, right.
And so it wasn't until, youknow, later in my ski career
that I, kind of, you know, cameto this realization, with the
help of, you know, my dad andcoaches and stuff like that.
But I, I really kind of I youcame to the realization that
that, you know, um, success justisn't linear, um and so um, I,
you know, I think, I think whatI, I almost quit like multiple
(05:07):
times.
You know, when I was 17 yearsold, I first, you know, was the
first year I almost made the USski team missed it by one spot.
The very next year, I missed itagain by one spot.
The third year, I missed itagain by one or two spots and I
just said, you know, I'm doneLike, this is too, I put too
much time into this, tooemotional, too hard, right, and
what it, what it was, is, wasthe adversity.
(05:30):
Just I just couldn't get pastthe adversity.
But but what I, what I thinkyou know I'm kind of getting to
my point, but I think what, whatcame out of all that was this
idea that you know the most.
In my opinion, the mostimportant ingredient to success
is how you manage adversity.
And I think, whether you'retalking about, you know,
(05:53):
athletics, competitive sports orbusiness, you know achieving
big things is hard, it's reallyhard, and it takes a ton of
effort, takes a just.
I mean there's setbacks, youknow, failures, adversity, I
mean all along the way, and so,you know, it's really easy to
sort of take those failures andinternalize them and create
(06:14):
these stories and and, and, youknow, not have the discipline to
sort of or the mindset to beable to get past it, right, and
and sort of acknowledge, hey,this isn't, you know, success.
You know, had a goodcompetition, I'm going to reach
my goal faster.
That is not at all the case,right, and so, um, you know, I
think, I think, as I, as I, youknow, kind of take a step back
(06:36):
now and look at what I learnedfrom skiing.
It's I think that's the biggestthing.
Um, you know, failure is aproduct of taking risk, and you
see that in business all thetime.
Yeah, right, and so it's.
It's really about how you, howyou manage the adversity and and
taking kind of the growthmindset and failing well, and
(06:57):
saying, okay, you know, myperformance wasn't great, I'm
going to learn from this, I'mgoing to, I'm going to evaluate
it, I'm going to learn from this, I'm going to, I'm going to
evaluate it and I'm going toactually grow more because of it
.
And then you take all of that,that basket of you know skills,
and you take it with you to thenext endeavor.
Right, this is powerful.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's like enjoying the journey.
It's understanding it's allstepping blocks that this wisdom
is going to come from adversity.
It's not going to.
You don't gain wisdom whenthings go well.
Absolutely Wisdom comes fromthe adversity and the hard times
right.
And then you string all thattogether and still stay focused
on that end goal.
Even though the pathway mayhave twists and turns, you're
almost anticipating it andenjoying the journey along the
(07:38):
way.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, yep Process focused, absolutely.
It process focused.
Um, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Stinking awesome.
Yeah, hey, you're the best.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's awesome partnering with you in our
business and doing what we'vedone for a long time.
Hey, man, it's been great.
Hey, you know everything.
I've just said that.
You know, you're one of thepeople I learned from man Like,
and I, I look at the adversity,just even in the last six months
six months, but even like 30days like I mean there's just a
ton of stuff where you're likeHoly crap, like this is crazy.
Like you know all these factorsand these set, these, you know
(08:14):
setbacks, but just adversity andit's like how are we going to
get through it?
And I think it's going to makeus stronger and and you're one
of the best at it, right, it'slike you're, we're just we got a
team that's here to just kickass.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Can't do without you.
Your dad be proud of you.
Love you, brother.
Yeah, thanks, thank you tommytory.
Thanks for coming on, man yeahthis will be fun, totally.
It'll be fun to get caught uphow you been good.
Yeah, yeah, doing good you guyshave got a lot going on.
(08:46):
There's McElvain signseverywhere.
Yeah, there's a lot going on.
So, president of McElvainCompanies, one of, if not the
largest construction company inIdaho right?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And you're everywhere right now.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
What are some of the biggest projects?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You now?
Yeah, what are some of thebiggest projects you're doing?
The airport, airport's a bigone.
Uh, finishing up another one,the 12th in idaho.
Um, the author, there's aprobably bigger project for us
you guys cranked on that yeah,it went by pretty fast.
We turned down um five day turncycles on our decks, so
everyone listening.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It's the big oppenheimer.
Yeah, um 26 stories 26 story,yeah, and you had a big sign up
there for a while.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Good job.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, nice, nice marketing.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But you did all the concrete work and it's a.
It was a big job.
I just couldn't believe howfast you did it.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, we had a great team.
Um, we had a great game plangoing into it and we just
executed it and we had a lot ofluck too, and yeah, it was fun.
It was fun.
That's great.
Um else, what are the big ones?
We're doing a lot of work forachd right now, not on their
highway infrastructure side, buta lot on their commercial side.
They're condensing a lot oftheir properties oh are they?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
they doing a big thing right over here, off of
franklin or fairview yep,they're doing one right off of
cloverdale, cloverdale andfranklin, um.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
and then we have two other projects one going on
Apple Street and they'recondensing.
Like I said, they're going tosell their Garden Street and,
well, they're going to condensethat Garden City.
One, yeah, they're going tomove into their new headquarters
, I believe, off Meeker Street,right there, get that, sell
their property and then fundpotentially in the next projects
.
But we got three of them goingon, one about to start.
(10:24):
So they've been a good client.
It's all CMGC.
So you know, walking themthrough that process more
importantly, like bringing goodvalue for the taxpayers' dollars
and whatnot, and being a goodcitizen when it comes to that
kind of stuff.
So it's been good workingthrough them with that.
A lot of stuff inpre-construction, a lot of stuff
going downtown working with theYMCA, block 68, and whatnot.
(10:46):
So a lot of stuff that's all inpre-construction and some other
CCDC work.
So a lot of fun stuff.
That's awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Tell us a little about you.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, native Boise.
Well, actually Meridian Idaho,so not too many of us around
here anymore.
I actually grew up right overthere, not too far from here.
A lot smaller town when I grewup here still a great place.
What high school did you go to?
So I went to Meridian HighSchool, transferred over my
junior year to Mountain ViewHigh School.
In 2005 I graduated.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Was it new then 2004?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
yeah, yeah, so that's why I wanted to go there.
All of our friends, footballand whatnot.
We said let's go to the newschool.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So and then BSU.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yep, went to Boise State, got my degree in
accounting, went that route.
I'm a numbers guy, obviously,you know like a lot of
experience in the building side.
But I was always taught like ifyou can run the books, you can
run the numbers, you can go inany industry you want to go.
So it's held true over atMcElwain.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And talk.
I want to get into this withyou because I know it means so
much to you, but thirdgeneration company, yeah, third
generation started at 1980 yeah,some we don't talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't probably appreciate as much.
You know I take a lot of pridein it, but you know, when coming
from guys like that and youknow experience it themselves,
working in the family industry,in a family business, um, yeah,
there's a lot of pride there.
Third generation my grandfatherstarted it.
Him and my grandma moved herefrom California.
Story goes they were drivingthrough Council Idaho.
He's a big, avid hunter Drivingthrough Council Idaho.
(12:14):
He was probably like 28 yearsold, maybe Stopped through there
.
He's like oh yeah, effie Calledmy wife, or my grandma, serena
Calls her.
Effie Said this is where wewant to live, effie.
So hunted there.
They built a ranch there thatthey still have to this day,
started the company there andthen transported over to Boise.
Idaho yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That's great, and he just passed away.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, he did, he did.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
How's that?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's tough.
You know, he lived an amazinglife, such an inspiration to me
personally.
He lived an amazing life, suchan inspiration to me personally,
a lot of all my family as well,my cousins, my aunts, obviously
my dad as well.
It's been tough to havesomebody who's been such a big
inspiration in your life, justbigger-than-life figure, to see
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him at the end of his life.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It's very intimate.
It's different.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Because he was larger than life.
That guy was like the guy,totally forever right, and I
mean the most, the.
The biggest thing you can sayis, you know, like he's had a
lot of success in a lot ofdifferent areas in life, but at
the end of his life he had allof his family there and to me
that was my biggest takeaway.
It was like, wow, he did thatright.
He had all of his family there.
Everybody, like, everything hecreated was all from him and
everybody was there to like, bewith him, and that's to me like
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the biggest takeaway, howimportant that family is.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I've never is your grandmother still, she is.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, they were married for 64 years, that's
incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
How's she doing?
She's doing good, it'sincredible.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
How's she doing?
She's doing good.
She misses him.
Their dynamics on how they playout on her role.
If any of them were to passfirst, it's him is the good one,
she's the stronger one as itrelates to it.
She can probably be on her own.
He would have never survivedwithout her being with him.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Imagine that 64 years yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
That's a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's a long time to just be together and and well,
you know, the first time I heardher name.
It's a funny story.
I'm probably never told youthis, but when my son was in boy
scouts, he was doing his eaglescout project and he said hey,
dad, I want to do somethingthat's different.
I want to do something that'smeaningful.
And I said, well, what do youwant to do?
And anyway, he kind of lookedat a bunch of different projects
(14:24):
.
But he said I want to dosomething that's meaningful.
And I said, well, what do youwant to do?
And anyway, he kind of lookedat a bunch of different projects
but he said I want to go do aremodel for the WCA's shelter
and it's named after yourgrandma.
Yeah, serena's house.
Yeah, so it's Serena's house,it's.
It's supposed to be kind of offthe beaten path and hidden,
cause that's where women go thathave been abused and it's their
shelter.
But that was one of the firsttimes I said, well, tell me
about this.
And they're like oh, you know,mcelvain's did this whole thing
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and for them and I do think it'spart of your grandpa's and your
dad and your family legacy youget your fingerprints all over
this valley with things thatyou've done or given back or
ways you've just made adifference in people's lives and
how important is that to you inpeople's lives and how
important is that to you?
And then go back to kind of hislife and and and just must be a
(15:09):
tremendous value to you to sayI learned this directly from
this guy that was socommunity-minded.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, totally.
I mean, I don't know any otherway.
Luckily, like I was, I justlearned from my father, my
grandfather, on just how to takecare of people and to always do
the right thing.
They were big proponents, bigbelievers, especially my
grandfathers.
If you just take care of theclient, you just take care of
the customer, you take care ofyour employees, you just do the
right thing, you treat womenright, all those good things,
(15:34):
everything just kind of worksout right.
It's not about the bottom line,it's just about the process
getting better.
You know, being around greatpeople making people better, and
it's just.
It's a value that I've taken alot of appreciation.
You know they do a lot ofthings, obviously publicly my
father, my grandfather did butprobably more importantly, they
did a lot of more things behindthe doors and that's probably
(15:55):
the biggest takeaway I'velearned from them on.
It's not about them beingrecognized or getting anything
out of it, it's truly aboutmaking a difference for
individuals, and that's whatit's about and that's always
stuck with me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Super powerful.
I didn't know how many brothersand sisters your dad has.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
There's four total, so he's got three siblings yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And he's the youngest .
Your dad's a great guy too.
The only other thing I was veryclose my grandpa was like my
hero, my idol Died at arelatively young age.
He had one of the first heartvalve artificial heart valves
ever put in, and then when I was, I was actually in Brazil on my
mission when he died, but itwas devastating to me.
(16:40):
But one of the things that Ijust it's hard to realize, but
death is also like so that I, Ijust it's it's hard to realize,
but death is also like so whenyou go through it it's so final.
I know that sounds weird.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's why, when I said but it's like like you're
just there and you have thisperson that you love and they
mean the world to you and youknow it's going to happen.
And then, when it happens,you're just like, oh wow, we do
have a limited time to make adifference down here and to live
our lives.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Has it been weird for you?
Yeah, it was really weird forme it's.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's definitely made me think about a lot of
different things about the endof life, no doubt about it.
Um, it's also made me think howit's unfortunate that it takes
moments like this to put thingsin perspective and questioning,
you know why, can't on a moredaily basis we live in this, you
know, energy to where we're,just we're, we're more
appreciative of life and not getcaught up in the just the chaos
(17:34):
that we live in.
And you know, that's, to me,the one thing I'm really trying
to take away and think about,like, how do I get more in that
zone?
And and think about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'm not just saying the story of all like.
There's a group of you guysthat are kind of the young guns.
I call you.
You're the young leaders oftomorrow for our valley and
you're one of those guys.
As the world evolves right andI'm an old guy now, so I can say
this to you all right, your dadwould say this to you too, but
it just seems like it was alittle slower before.
(18:03):
I don't know whether it wastechnology or the fact that you
didn't have emails and texts andyou were always present with
business.
But as life changes and itseems really busy, how do we not
lose for you guys, the nextgeneration of leaders that run
this whole thing, how do youkeep that personal touch and not
(18:24):
lose track of what your grandpastood for?
Yeah, have you thought aboutthat?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yes, I have thought about that.
Um, I think it's what it'sgoing to come down to is just
leading by example.
I think I appreciate what yousaid there, um, taking in groups
of guys like that gals and guys, community leaders and just
living off and being an exampleof what we're talking about and
(18:53):
having other people that we leador people that we're close with
, and having them see ouractions and our behaviors.
I think that's a good way tokind of like inspire and
motivate people, just toactually live it, because
probably for yourself mespecifically like if I think
about the best coaches I've everhad or some of the most
(19:13):
influential people, they're theones who always called me out on
my BS or just lived the exampleright, and so to me, that's
like how we do it is we just doit and we talk about it and we
live it and just, you know,hopefully, bring others too and
let them hear on you know whatto do.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I can only imagine, as you think of your grandfather
, his services soon, right nextweek or something that's
probably one of his hallmarks,right, which was lead by example
, like one of the things mydad's always said forever.
He's like lead by example, usewords when necessary.
(19:51):
Right, it's like you can say it.
You can even say it with agenuine tone.
Or like you can spend all thetime you want trying to create
an environment for you to leadin, but you can ruin that entire
environment and everything youput time in if, for one minute,
you don't walk the walk.
Yeah, oh, absolutely,especially on a company like
yours, absolutely.
I mean, you've got a hugecompany that you're now leading
and you probably spend atremendous amount of time on
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culture and effort and visionand strategy and where are we
going to go as a company?
But if they look at you knowTory McIlwain leading us and
it's not what you're saying, itdoesn't matter, it's just being
genuine and authentic all thetime.
Tremendous amount of pressureto do that.
None of us are perfect.
We make mistakes, and I thinkthat's the time to be authentic,
right, when that happens, andsay, okay, I'm not perfect
either, but but hey, we're allin this together, kind of thing.
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But that's cool, I do.
Can I shift to your dad?
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
He's a good guy.
Mentors yeah, what a, what atremendous.
He's trying to retire a littlebit, right you can't, you can't
fully.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, playing more golf.
Yeah, oh yeah.
How was it learning under hiskind of tutelage last?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
it was awesome.
You hear a lot of differentstories on father-son dynamics,
some good, some bad, someinteresting.
You know, luckily for tory andI I call him senior luckily for
tory and I we, uh, we justalways kept the main thing, the
main thing, like we.
We always had a greatrelationship at work.
We just got along well.
I knew and respected how heoperated, so I knew how to
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engage, how did he operate?
He didn't give me any slack.
I can tell you that he operatedone way, the only way he knew,
and it was just to go full swing, go all in and just do what he
does best.
One way, the only way he knew,and it was just to go full swing
, go all in and just do what hedoes best.
You know Hands-on guy, justvery hands-on, but definitely
listens to the team around him,and you know just very smart in
how he thinks about things likerisk management and whatnot.
(21:37):
Great instincts, right, greatinstincts, yeah, there you go.
Great instincts, yeah.
So to work for him was it wasfine, it worked great, because I
looked up to him so much.
You know he was the type to,luckily for me, just kind of
trial by error.
So that's how I learned and itworked well for me.
That's how I enjoy.
I'd rather just kind of gofigure it out and make mistakes
(21:57):
on my own and learn, and that'stwo for him.
Like he would rather see thatand see how you can become of it
.
So you know that dynamic justworked well for us.
But tremendous, one of the best, if not the best, businessmen
I've ever known.
Just so smart.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know I've, I've asked him questions or just I
mean I've just leaned on himbecause there's there's so much
wisdom there.
Yeah, he and, I think,instincts.
If I had to think about oneword for your dad, it's just
NSYNC and it's drive and it'skind of just knowing how to do
business.
Got to be tremendously blessedto have that experience.
How has it been, like youtaking over and kind of running
things, and I know you have areally great team?
(22:33):
Talk a little bit about yourleadership structure and kind of
the company today.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So I started getting into more of my role about four
years ago.
I've been with the company for12 years.
About four years ago, though,really started working directly
for Senior Slowly him gettingout of that process was about
two years and then been in mycurrent role for about two years
now.
The leadership that we have inplace is awesome.
(23:03):
So one thing you know that youknow my father.
What he wanted with a companyum was a certain size to where
he can manage all of his risk.
That was very important to him.
You know that was how he lookedat the his business um.
A slightly different me learningeverything that I did from him
and how to manage risk and whatto look for.
My outlook was more like heylook, I think if we put you know
(23:26):
tremendous individuals in thesekey leadership positions, you
know we can scale and we canstill manage our risk.
It's really just having theright individuals that we can
trust.
So let's build a team.
So, taking that, it took twoyears to get to where we're at
right now.
Two and a half years to reallyjust put all the right pieces in
.
We've got a great team.
My whole thing is I don't wantto be the smartest one in the
(23:48):
room.
I want to surround myself withthe best.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You've got to be pretty secure with yourself to
do that, but it's so true.
Yeah, right.
Well, if you think you are,you're not.
Yeah, I was with Kent Orm thismorning.
We gave a talk at a thing andand uh to the Boise young
professionals for the bookchamber and he's the former CEO
of ICCU and what's one of?
the things he said to everyonetoday is like, hey, any of you
(24:10):
out there that think you're thesmartest one in the room, you're
not and you should probably butthat, that idea of having that
humility to say, hey, I want tosurround myself with people that
I can listen to and can growthis thing, you have this thing.
You have to be secure in that.
Yeah right, yeah, totally, andyou're around and you've seen
them.
There are people that don'tsubscribe to that and it's
painful to watch sometimesbecause it's like man, if you
(24:32):
just listened, yeah right, yeah,was was senior, like that oh
yeah, he was very and I probablylearned that a lot from him,
luckily.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So same way just again success over here and this
and that and smart you wouldhave never known.
Just a very humble individual,didn't really raise it or
overstep and say no, like that.
That's probably a lot of whereI learned it was through him.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yes, that's great, yeah how, uh, how have you
getting the right people on theteam, put them in the right
place, listening to them?
How are you currently managingculture, which is another big
part, especially in a valleylike ours where there's so many
constraints on employees and atevery level?
Right, yeah, how do you keepthat team engaged, motivated
together, looking forward with astrategy?
(25:16):
Yeah, how have you done that?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
no good question.
So again back to about twoyears, two and a half years ago,
when we started putting thesepieces in together, I
specifically remember I was.
I was at a darren hardy youever heard of.
I specifically remember I was.
I was at a Darren Hardy.
You ever heard of Darren Hardy?
Yeah, yeah.
So I was at a Darren Hardymaster business class and we got
to a section the last day onculture and it was talking about
like, if you know, you know,and it was talking about just
like toxic individuals or yourcultures, and I was just
(25:50):
thinking like man, I want tostart building this team, how I
want to build it.
So I just kind of wrote downsome names, positions of what,
so we can start structuring someand reorganizing some things
down.
And then, you know, from thatpoint we just started, you know,
making moves and at that, whatI, what I?
What I mean by that isfundamentally at the foundation
I said, ok, we got to hire theright, we got to build this
thing from the ground up, fromthe foundation up, right, so we
need to hire the right people,we need to look at our team, we
need to build a culture, andwhat we did is.
(26:11):
We came up with the 12attributes and we said, at a
minimum, if these individualsdon't even have these attributes
, it's a non-starter for us,right?
And it's simple stuff, likebeing a team player, motivated,
like highly inspirational, thatkind of stuff.
It's not so much on thetechnical side as it is as like
(26:31):
on the individual.
So we went through that, westayed true to that in the
hiring process.
So you know we get all theseapplications and you know you
weed through a lot and it'stough, but we stay true to it.
And to fast forward to where weare now, you know we brought in
the right people always, and Ithink they appreciate that too.
Going through that interviewprocess knowing that we're just
not going to hire anybody, youknow, it's almost like they had
to earn it.
So we're bringing in the rightpeople.
You know we do have a youngergroup at our company, which is
(26:55):
awesome, you know, so we canstay together as a unit for the
next.
You know 15, 20 years have agreat run.
So culturally, since we are alittle bit younger too, it does
make things easier.
You know for me what I'm moreused to right, at some point in
time in 20 years I'm going tohave to be like, okay, you guys
have to help on this culturething.
I don't know what's going on,but for right now I can.
(27:15):
I can think of things that Ithink a lot of people would
enjoy and we just we focus onthat and we have a lot of fun in
our.
Our culture is really about, um, I like people to think like
entrepreneurs.
I like them to think of justnew ideas.
There's no bad idea.
Don't ever just, you know,don't not raise your hand right
and again surrounding ourselves,built, having the best builders
(27:36):
, having the best team, um, andjust having again, having fun
like we're.
This is the time of our lives,boise's.
We are so lucky like, yes, um,you know, mackleman has a long
history in this market, veryfortunate, yes, you know, we
have great team, great builders.
But, man, we are lucky to bewhere we are right now too, and
that has a lot to do with oursuccess.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So people are having fun with it too I'm sitting here
listening to you and I'm justsmiling because it is so true.
Once you you build it's hard tobuild, but once you build it,
you almost create this thingthat it never.
This is not true.
It doesn't self-sustain itself.
You always have to give itattention and be doing very
(28:17):
intentional activities to keepyour culture.
But it does start gainingmomentum, right, Because then
you get people that buy into theculture.
That are those you know, those12 attributes, and then they're
there and they're like hey, thisis my thing.
And then you bring in the nextperson and it's like.
It's almost like you get thismomentum around.
I really appreciate that.
I'm really grateful for us here, because we've kind of done
(28:37):
that and it was hard at first.
But what I found is then youbring someone in that kind of
doesn't fit.
Even then you bring someone inthat kind of doesn't fit.
Even if you screened them andinterviewed them or whatever,
they get exposed pretty earlyand they actually don't like it.
It's not good for either of youIf you're like, hey, pressure
cooker probably was, probablywasn't a great fit to begin with
.
But I love that and I think,ultimately the people that work
(28:58):
for you, the people that work inthe industry.
You want to be part ofsomething that's bigger than
yourself.
Yeah, you want to be part ofsomething that you feel.
I always tell people that workfor us like we want you to love
your family and have that beyour priority.
We want your work family tofeel like you're going you're
going to your second family,that you want to be here, that
you're part of something bigger,and that's something we talk
about a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What you just said is my whole thing is I like to
keep it real, so we preach thatall the time and talk about that
Like I want people to show upthe best versions of themselves,
not just at work, yeah Right,but just be the best husband.
You can't be the best wife.
You can't be the best parentlike work in the community, and
I'm always pushing for that andchallenging people just to
become better.
(29:36):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You guys do a lot in the community, a lot, almost
everything that's you know.
You're just always there, infact, thank you.
Monday was our nonprofit Teensto Trades, where we're trying to
get at-risk kids into plumbing,electrical, hvac and welding,
and you guys were there, hugesponsors of it.
Thank you very much.
But talk about this place likejust our community, how special
(30:01):
it is to you, maybe somechallenges with it growing and
and and what do you see for forkind of the treasure valley over
the next few years?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
yeah, no good question.
Um, again, being from boisemeridian area, the most
important thing to me was alwaysjust the community, meaning
it's always going to be a safecommunity, and that was always
where I wanted my kids to be andto grow up with.
So if population grows,demographics and all that stuff,
(30:30):
it increases.
That's okay, as long as this isstill the same community that I
was raised in and I want mykids to be raised, and that's to
me the most important thing.
You know, I think we have greatgreat people here.
We got man.
We have great great people here.
We got man.
We have great companies.
We got great leaders.
We got great people all withinthis community.
One thing I do appreciate aboutthis community that you know
(30:51):
working with developers andwhatnot from out of state
they're always just dumbfoundedis how quickly some things we
can get moved around hereBecause of our connections and
our relationships.
You know Idaho's we're not likeTexas or California.
You can get a hold of thegovernor, you can get a hold of
the mayors and actually havereal relationships right and do
things to get the things moving.
(31:13):
But it's not just work, it'salso for the people.
The community does a great jobfor the families here that they
live in and whatnot.
It's just a great place to be.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's interesting because, as you're talking, I,
it's just a great place to be.
It's interesting because, asyou're talking, I'm thinking
about, like you think, of allthe different factors that have
to go into creating an amazingplace to raise your family.
But it is like it is the citiesand their ethos and what they
believe in.
It is the companies that arehere, it's the nonprofits that
are here, it's the chambers,it's the governor, it's the,
it's so many things go intocreating this place and keeping
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it what it is.
And it's always going to be arisk, but I do, I hope, I'm
hopeful that it is special.
I mean, you talk to peoplearound other you know we go, do
work in other cities and it'snot like this everywhere.
And so hopefully thosenewcomers feel welcomed, that
they feel like they're part ofus and they kind of buy into,
(32:03):
kind of what the heritage of thevalley has been, because I do
think it's very much acollaborative thing yeah, back
to leading by example.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If they see how we operate and they'll want that's
how they'll operate, and I thinkit's super inviting too.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I, I, I just know of people that are newer here.
Well, I'll use one example willgustafson, as a developer and,
and you know, he just donatedthe the River Club for a golf
tournament Monday.
That guy, he's come here andhe's like a community member
already.
He's a great guy.
Okay, can we shift to BoiseState a little bit?
(32:35):
Yeah, you're a huge, huge BoiseState guy.
Yeah, big, big game lastSaturday, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Big game.
It was good.
They literally could havebeaten Oregon at home.
It would have been amazing.
They played a good game.
You know special teams isprobably what got them.
You know those are big swingingmomentum plays, but overall I
think they played a fantasticgame, something they should be
very proud of.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh, I thought it was great, I thought they had them.
I honestly, jenty isunbelievable.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He is the best running back in the entire
country.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I've never seen anything like it, and that was
against Oregon.
They're good, they're great,they're fast, they're physical.
So I think he's just going totear up the Mountain.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
West.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't know how he's going to ever stop the guy.
I do worry.
He gets hit so much.
Well, he's just a physical.
I mean he dishes out we so much.
Well, he's just a physical, hedishes out.
We were talking about it atlunch today.
He dishes out as much pain ashe takes.
He's punishing, but it is.
It's a lot of physical contact,but he's fantastic.
What do you think about thequarterback?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I think, matt, he played a good game.
I think Cutter's got him dialedand figured out pretty well to
make quick decisions, get theball out of his hands, and I
think Cutter's got him.
He's a good system quarterback,what he's working with right
now.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I mean the fact that you've got Dirk Cutter.
Oh yeah, I mean come on.
Yeah, he's helping that wholesituation out pretty well.
It's just like a dream to havehim.
You can't even imagine thewisdom and all the years of
calling plays and doing whathe's done at all levels.
Yeah, kind of being there, thethe thing that that is.
Um, they've they, the mountainwest, the whole college football
(34:08):
.
Can we talk a little bit aboutnil?
Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Because I know you guys are,yeah, helpful, yeah, I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
My thoughts are everywhere.
Some days I'm like what I do,yeah, I know.
What I do know is this is I dothink college athletes should be
compensated.
To what degree?
Open for interpretation.
On all that Also, what I doknow it is the Wild West, oh man
, and it's going to get evencrazier until, unfortunately, it
(34:36):
gets, you know, the governmentsteps in and they, you know, or
they put collective bargainingagreements.
It's just, it's the Wild West.
Also, too, what I do know isfor Boise State.
It does hurt colleges likeBoise State, to where Texas, a&m
and all that they can cut $50million checks.
Boise State sustainabilitycannot do that.
You can go to a donor once ortwice, that's fine, but to do
(34:58):
that year after year, it's justnot sustainable.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, there's no contracts, right?
Yeah, so you talk to people.
I don't understand it.
Do you think we end up going?
I've heard Kyle Whittinghamtalk about, you know, some big
super conference where it'salmost like a semi-pro league
where everyone gets paid.
I mean, I don't know where thisthing goes, but it is wild
right now.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, private money will get involved.
They'll start to dictate it.
It'll probably happen over thenext two or three years.
I'll tell you this, being acollege coach.
That would completely changethe game.
Now, being a, college coach.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I've heard, I've heard a couple people say like
it's not like recruiting andkeeping a kid once, or even once
a year.
It's like almost every week,yeah, you're trying to keep them
from transferring and there'smoney being thrown around
everywhere.
It's got to be.
It's got really hard.
I'm really, I'm reallysurprised, grateful that
Jeremiah is sticking around.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal, yeah, that's a big
extension for all of them.
I mean specifically like how welike to roll.
You know, malcolm and my familyis like again, it's more like
you're reaching out to theprogram basketball or football
and it's like what do you needhelp with?
How can we help what playersyou know need help, et cetera,
something like that.
That's really cool, it's been.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's been fun to have .
I mean, we're, we're a big city, but but that's kind of the
only game in town oh yeah, it isthe it's the game and it's,
it's it's been really cool towatch them thrive as much in in
so many sports, and I thinkjeremiah is a huge part of that
yeah I mean the energy that guybrings and vision drive that
he's got it's.
It's been really cool to watch.
(36:29):
I I thought he was going to begone, gone.
Yeah, I just did.
I thought I thought someone'sgoing to come swoop him up and
pay him a gazillion dollars andbecause he is, he's the real
deal.
Yeah, so that's good.
That's good.
Um what?
What are you, what are youlooking forward to um with with
the company in the coming monthsand years?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I'm looking forward to continued growth, and when I
say growth, I don't really meanfinancial growth or anything
like that.
It's just a byproduct.
I'm talking about justcontinued growth as it relates
to just our momentum.
You know, being a part ofspecial projects.
To me, the funnest thing isbeing a part of a special,
(37:15):
special projects, so it's like acommunity-based project or
special developers.
It's fun just, you know, beinga part of those teams and being
a part of something special thatyou can always drive by like,
yeah, I was part of that orhelped out on that.
So I'm really excited to thinkabout that.
We got some other stuff in thein the works that we're
strategically thinking about,that we can probably start
rolling out over the course ofthe next year.
So that will really set us upfor the next 10 years and really
excited about all that kind ofstuff.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
So that's great.
Well, you uh, um, my son-in-law, matthew.
He's a great guy, but when Itold him, I said, hey, what
should I talk to Tori about?
He's like you need to talk tohim about just just leadership.
I mean, you're how old?
You?
37, 37.
So you're like, you're like inthe prime of kind of this next
(37:57):
generation of leader.
Talk about some cause I knowyou take this really seriously.
Talk about just your ownpersonal growth, your personal,
the way you take care of yourown self, so you could be your
best self for your family, foryour, for everything else,
because I I do.
I do know you're a leader inthat way too, and I think
there's a lot of things thatpeople could learn from you.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, on some of that I appreciate that, uh, yeah, my
whole mo on this is I don'tread leadership books
necessarily or this, and that Ijust go back to the fundamental
principles.
You know, stoicism has helpedme a lot.
Um, I've been sober now for sixyears too, so I've done a lot
of introspection and reflectionand all that kind of stuff.
(38:35):
Through that process I reallygot down to the basics of just
fundamentally just saying whatyou're going to do or doing what
you're going to say, right,having good values and making
decisions on the rightintentions and just treating
people fairly.
Values and making decisions onthe right intentions and just
treating people fairly.
Just, if you focus on just doingthe right thing, to me, like
(38:56):
leadership just kind of happensright, because if you don't even
have those fundamental things,you can't fool people.
Right?
You're just talking out yourbutt.
Right, you're lying, you're not.
You know, walking the walk.
It's so easy to see, it's soeasy to see.
So I've always just I justfocus about that.
So for me personally, it's likeokay, work doesn't matter, just
(39:16):
always do the right thing.
Like always just do the rightthing Right.
It's not that hard, just do theright thing Right.
Um, and for my personaldevelopment it's.
It's important for me that Idevelop, you know, stages in my
life.
You know, like you said, I'm inmy prime 37.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I appreciate that Feeling pretty old right now I'm
getting a little gray hair, butI appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
But the stage of my life I'm in right now is, you
know, it's pretty chaotic, right.
Yeah, there's a lot going on.
How old are your kids?
I got a five-year-old, afour-year-old and a
four-year-old and a two-year-old.
It's insane right now.
And I got a great wife, abeautiful, amazing wife.
But I'm in the stage where I gotthe kids, I got work, I got
some other businesses too.
(39:58):
It's just a lot of work and Igot my relationship with my wife
.
So for me it's like okay, howdo I?
Because I think it is important, you know, I I want my kids, at
the end of the day, to have arelationship with me.
That's the most important thing.
I don't want them to say, youknow, I want my kids, at the end
of the day, to have arelationship with me.
That's the most important thing.
I don't want them to say, youknow, work was more important.
However, I want them to seewhat a work ethic is and I want
to teach them that, and I don'tthink it's necessarily a bad
(40:20):
thing to be busy in all theseaspects.
So it's important that I dothese things, but I plan them as
efficient as I can so then thatway, you know, I can have my
time with, I can have my timewith them, I can have my time
with my wife, that I'm reallydisciplined when it comes to
that kind of stuff, which allowsme to do a lot of different
things, so for me that's helpeda lot.
I got my wife is amazing,honestly.
We've kind of worked a pack outto where she's like, hey,
(40:43):
monday through Friday, you dowhat you need to do, just you
know, let me know by like fiveo'clock if you're gonna be home
for dinner or not, don't care.
And but on the flip side, thatmeans Saturday and Sundays is
her and the kids time, you know.
So that's kind of like thecompromise and the fact that we
made so, allowing me to focusand not have pressure from home,
(41:03):
has been huge right also justmaking sure like I'm
prioritizing my time and thisand I'm not just wasting time so
I can be there for my kids, Ican be there for the employees
and I can like build thebusiness and then, like you said
, like taking care of myself.
I'm pretty active, working out.
I've always been, just you know, growing up, so having a
morning routine, stayingphysical and just really staying
(41:26):
grounded and like why I'm doingall this and what my my passion
is.
It's like just working on those.
You know I'm trying to read,I'm trying to learn.
You know I appreciate youletting me be on here.
You know, admire you andeverything that you've done and
how you've done it.
So like I like to learn andwatch individuals who have been
successful mentors and whatnot.
So finding mentors, taking careof myself physically, making
(41:49):
sure my wife and allrelationships good and the kids
have a relationship.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I mean that's that is beautifully said.
In fact, I I'm thinking back toI was with a one of my mentors.
I'll never forget the moment ithappened, cause I always
worried about balance right,that word balance.
Cause you're like, oh gosh, Inever.
There's just so many competinginterests and you you're trying
your hardest to divide things upand you have the best
(42:14):
intentions and you don't want tolet anyone down in your life
your spouse, your kids, yourbusiness, your nonprofit
commitments and the ways youvolunteer your time.
And you're trying to balance itall.
And he said to me it wasprofound when he said this he's
like you're looking at it wrong.
Said to me it was.
It was profound when he saidthis he's like you're looking at
it wrong.
He's like, if you stay humbleand grateful and you check your
(42:35):
priorities at the door every day, you may have a day on a Monday
or Tuesday that is so dominatedby work that it needs to be,
but as long as your prioritiesthat day were those things, it's
also your attitude, right?
Are you checking in, are youbeing kind?
Are you being you know, are youyou know?
And he's like then you're goingto have a day where it is hey,
I've got this time my family isgoing to dominate.
(42:57):
But I'm not but, but.
But he said even though thehours may change, the commitment
and the priorities are the sameevery day.
Yeah, and I said, well, tell me, I mean, cause it's been
something I've always worriedabout, because I've had times in
my life where I was working inthe ER and I was doing
development and I was donatingmy time to our church and I look
(43:18):
at my kids and I'm like, oh man, how do I do all this?
But it it changed me, cause I'mlike, okay, I'm going to check
myself for the door every dayand make sure that my priorities
are straight, and as long asthey're straight and genuine and
I'm and I'm, and I feel goodabout those and I'm being kind
and loving the people I need tolove the most, the rest is going
to work itself out.
I think it was powerful for me.
It's not about time it's about.
(43:39):
It's about are your prioritiesalways where they should be, and
how do you keep yourself incheck?
And that's kind of what youjust said in a in a more
eloquent way.
But that's what it's all about.
It's figuring that out, and thesooner you figure it out, the
better you figure it out.
How do you one of the things Ilove about you and your family
and I don't know if this isgoing to sound, I don't know how
that's going to come across,but you're some of the kindest
(43:59):
people I mean kindness, right,just simple, like anything you
need, I'm there for you.
How does does that come from?
Just the McElvain ethos andjust DNA, and how important is
that in business?
Speaker 3 (44:15):
just being a good person, totally Well.
I've always been on the mindsetlike, just treat everybody.
You never know who your nextclient is.
So even when you're atAlbertsons, whoever is bagging
your groceries, treat them withrespect.
Always open the door.
You never know where your nextlead might come from.
But I'm not saying that becauseI'm always thinking about like
how do I get the next?
Like that's just the mentalityI have, like you never know
(44:37):
where life's going to take you.
So it's not about work.
It could be you know the nextperson you hire, right.
Like you can just, you know,inspire somebody, a single
mother or a working parent.
You can bring them on your teamand help their life get better.
You never know how you're goingto interact with somebody.
So just to live life like thatin general is just I mean, I
just don't know any other way.
But that's just kind of thementality I have and how it
(44:58):
feeds into business.
Again, it's the same mindset.
Just you never know wherelife's going to take you.
Work's going to take you.
Treat everybody with respect.
If it comes around, it's meantto be I just love that.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I'm going to tell a quick story just because it just
happened this week, but, um, itkind of goes along those lines.
One of one of I was able to bewith Ken Orm again this morning
and he is just one of thekindest, best examples of a
leader.
You look at the way he led ICCUfor 20 years.
Whatever it was, he he's justalways on and I've I've asked
him before.
I've said how do you do it?
Like I'm around you in a lot ofsituations?
You know you have 1,500 orwhatever employees and you know
(45:38):
all their birthdays and I watchhim interact with people and I'm
like you're just and he's likeit's just.
I've had to, it's real, I'mgenuine, it's not fake, but I
just try to be kind to everyonebecause they're all important to
me and it's been such a goodexample.
So I told him the story today.
So, um, back going back 2000,.
(45:59):
So 22, 23 years ago, we weregiven an assignment to help a
family that was struggling andour family helped this family
and we ended up it was forChristmas, but we ended up
helping them over a period oftime and, um, and they were
great people and we ended upgetting pretty close to them my
family, my kids and then I kindof lost track of them.
And about four or five yearsago I was walking across the
(46:21):
Grove Plaza and this kid ran upto me and he's like hey, how are
you doing, tommy?
And, and for a minute, you knowhow you?
see somebody and you're justlike what, what do I know you
from?
And it was this Cesar Valencia,this kid, that was this little
teeny baby.
When I first met the family andhe was working for ICCU and he
sat there on the plaza and hetold me I said, what are you
(46:41):
doing?
He's like I'm working for ICCU.
And then he proceeded to tellme how much Kent Orme had
influenced him.
So I have this meeting and I'mlike, oh my gosh, here's this
kid that I knew where he camefrom and I saw it, and now he's
thriving at ICCU and hespecifically was mentioning Kent
, who was the CEO of the company.
I'm like kind of all worldscolliding and I'm like this is
(47:03):
so cool that I know Kent, I knowhow genuine and how much it
meant to Cesar, and so then I'mflash forwarding.
It's a long story getting tothis week.
This week he now is in theirwealth management division.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So he came to our office and I heard his voice and
I'm like, who is that?
And anyway, he's going to belike our private banker now.
That's amazing.
So today, when I saw Kent, I'mlike man, I love you man.
And I'm like man, I love youman.
And I just like thanks for yourexample.
And I told him the story and hewept.
He just like this is cool.
(47:37):
It's just cool to watch how, ifyou do make a difference in
people's life, if you just keeptrying and again, we're never
perfect but if we just try to dothe right thing and be kind and
lead and guide, that it doespay off in the long run.
And I think that's uh, tori,it's been awesome having you on,
because I think that's yourfamily, that is, that is your
(47:59):
legacy.
It's gotta be a tremendousamount of pressure, too.
You ever feel that.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
No, I don't, I don't.
I don't, cause I just don'treally think like that.
I'm just feel comfortableknowing I got a great team, I
got a great mentor and seniorand we're just going to go have
fun and like I know, just like alot of hard work and it'll work
out.
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Well, hey, thanks for coming on.
It went by way too fast.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, that was fast.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I appreciate what you guys do in the community.
Thanks for always being there.
You know, call away and nomatter what it is, McIlvain
steps up and that's a greatexample for this community.
Thanks for doing it for a long,long time.
Well, I appreciate you.
Thanks for having me on thisshow.
Thanks for coming on, Thank you, Thanks everybody.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
See you.
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