A Sinful Return

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James Jay Edwards (00:25):
Welcome back to Eye On Horror, the official
podcast of ihorror.com. It'sbeen a while. This is episode
144 otherwise known as seasoneight. Episode Four. I'm your
host, James J Edwards, and withme, as always, is your other
host, Jacob Davison, how youdoing? Jacob,

Jacob Davidson (00:43):
doing much better. I had a really bad sinus
infection that took me out forthe first half of April.

Yikes. Ease them. Yeah, glad you're feeling
better. Also with us, as alwaysis your other other host, Jon
Correia, how you doing? Correia,

Jonathan Correia (00:59):
I'm devastated. Yeah,

you, you've, you got some really terrible
news,

yeah, yeah.
After a year for the last year,the thing that has kept me
going, the thing that when, whenI am at wits end, the end of my
rope, all that stuff, the thingthat's been keeping me going is,
it's all right, keep living.
You're seeing Kylie Minogue andDenver at the end of April. And

(01:26):
wait, Jay, are we a minute in,like with the with the end, with
the intro music and all thatsomewhere about, okay, cool. So
I can swear now, awesome. Theyfucking canceled my Kylie
Minogue concert for a fuckingsports game, and not even that.
It's a fucking Coloradobasketball game. Like, fuck off
they go

Denver Nuggets. They're in the
playoffs. And to kick balls evenmore, the Colorado Avalanche are
in the playoffs. So they can'teven just reschedule. Well, they

couldn't even reschedule for later that week
anyways, because Kylie's comingto Los Angeles on May 2, which I
can't afford to do either. Soit's like, so they, yeah, they
fully cancel it. They'rerefunding everybody. But it's
just like, you fucking that isthat a hate crime? That's a hate
crime. It's like, Kylie Minogueis fucking sports game.

I hate crime.
Hey, at least she decided tocome here because, hey, if I was
from another country, she'sAustralian. I don't know if I'd
set foot in America, dude.

It's, it's, but this tour, it's two albums
worth. It's tensions one andtwo. It's the tensions tour.
Padum Padum. Come on. Like, thisis Mass This is a massive tour.
She's touring all over theplace. And like, oh, anyways,
I'll get over it at some point.
They wouldn't

even trade your tickets for another city.
No, yeah,

that's ridiculous, boo,

yeah. Well, all right. Well, let's, we'll,
let's try to cheer you up. Therehas been a ton of cool shit
that's come out. Hey, look,you've even got me cussing. A
ton of cool stuff that's comeout since last time we talked.
Please tell me that you bothhave seen Sinners. Yes,

yo, yes. That is, that is now the one that
that's, that's the one thingthat's keeping me going. Now, I
was talking with my therapist,and they're like, they're like,
so what's keeping you going? AndI started to say, Oh, well, you
know, well, it's the fact that.
And they stopped me right there.
Like, don't say, don't saythere's a Predator movie coming
out. I was like, well, fun fact,there's actually two coming out.

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And they went, Okay, that's apretty good reason to live. But
no, so that was the that wasbeginning of yesterday. And then
last night I saw Sinners,

sinners. Oh, my god, so good. That's giving

me will to live, baby. I am living to go
see that movie. Like I walkedout of the theater, I was like,

do I try to make the 10 (03:43):
45 screen as well? Because
electrifying gotta be up prettyearly to record that podcast.
But like, fuck me. Um, so good,although let

me ask you guys, how did you see it? Because I
saw it in 70 millimeter at theVISTA.

I saw it in IMAX. Not not a 70 millimeter,
but it was on an IMAX. And thething is, especially during one
particular scene, whicheverybody knows the scene, that
scene, oh, yes, you want thaton, not only the biggest screen
possible, but the best soundsystem possible.

Yeah, it's incredible. I saw it in just
regular IMAX and so, like, theaspect ratio changes were
insane, especially for the siegescene later, where, like, it
just, like, slowly, like, rollsout into fill the screen, and
you could just hide, like, mynipples got so hard From that,

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but no, the opening of the veilscene, I still wear a mask in
the theater, but I had thedumbest look on my face. I felt
it, and it was there the entiretime, like my jaw was down and
my eyebrows were in a like, thefuck like. I just couldn't
believe that they fucking didthat.

It's so. Oh,

Sinners as a movie is freaking awesome. I
think it's a step belowCompanion for my favorite of the
year so far, but only becauseCompanion was an experience,
because I got to see it beforeall of the before all of the
spoilers got out. Sinners is thecomplete package. It is such a

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freaking it's an experience.
It's basically, it's RyanCoogler, who did you know Creed
and Black Panther and all those.
And, of course, his man, MichaelB Jordan, who is in every movie
of his, but there's two MichaelB Jordans, because he plays
twins, who they allude that heworked, that they worked for Al
Capone in Chicago, but they workfor the mob in Chicago, and they

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come back home to their littletown in Alabama, and they want
to open a juke jointMississippi. Yep. Is it
Mississippi? I thought it wasAlabama, but anyway, sometimes
somewhere in the Jim Crow South,yeah. And they they want to open
this juke joint. And they havethe connections, and they have,
you know, the money now, but youknow there's, there's evil in

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them woods, and there's ahardcore From Dusk Till Dawn
influence on this movie, becauseit starts out being about these
guys open up their juke joint,and it ends with pure evil
raining down upon their jukejoint. So that's so good,
though.

Yeah, and the through line theme of music, and
the soul of it, because it's1930s so it's, it's very heavy
influence of the blues and androck and things of that nature.
And the through line of it isjust so gorgeous. This is really
amazing bit early in the moviewhere, first and foremost,

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everyone shines in this movie. Idon't think there's a single bad
character. Everyone has amoment. There's incredible music
performed the score by Ludwiggorison is just, oh, there is
definitely some goblin influencetowards the end. But

also the score, it's like, it goes
through this, a lot of thisRobert Johnson Crossroads blues,
but then they'll put kind ofthis resner Atticus thing
underneath it, where you'relike, Okay, there's the devil
coming out of it. Oh, yeah, thescore and the sound to this
movie are so beautiful. Yeah,this movie is just the whole

(07:30):
package. I mean, it's, it's asclose to a perfect movie as I
think we're gonna get this year.
Yeah,

and it's just amazing how well it's done too.
Like I've been trying to see itin 70 millimeter IMAX at the
universal AMC, and it's beensold out for like, two weeks.
Yeah,

I That's why I had to see it at Burbank 16 and
sit in the very back row lastnight, because even during the
week, everything was sold out.
So yeah, I'm definitely tryingto see it on over at City Walk,
but the cast was incredible,especially a huge shout out for
Delroy Lindo, who, you know is agreat actor, is always a
supporting actor, and in this hereally shines. And, I mean, he's

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just so good on so many levels.
He's fucking hilarious. Butthere's this one particular bit
where they're driving in a car,and he's talking about what
happened to a buddy of his in1930s Jim Crow South. And of
course, it's not a happy tale,but he starts to, like, get
over, really emotional, reallyworked up, and then he just

(08:32):
instantly starts turning thatinto a blues song. And it's just
like, like, it's like Cooglerand CO perfectly captured. Like,
what that? What music is inparticular that, and then also
tying that into Irish jig aswell, and showing like,
similarities, like there was,Oh, my God, they I love that.

(08:52):
The villains were doing a lot ofIrish jig music, and no one was
just like, get the fuck out herewith that music. Like they were
like, Oh, these guys are good.
Like, it's, yeah,

that was the craziest river dancing scene, I
think I've ever seen.

My body left my soul.

That was the funny thing. They can't and, I
mean, it's a little on the nosethat that the head vampires
white. But when he rolls up andthey start, you know, they want
to come in and they want to jamthe juke joint, and they're
playing like this, you know, mumbird and sons, kind of folk and
and, of course, it's the whitestsong you could ever envision

(09:30):
anybody ever playing. But eventhe even the juke joint, people
are like this, sounds prettygood, you know, yeah. I mean,
it's not what we want to hear inhere, but, but these white boys
can play, no,

it wasn't even about like, I don't know about
that, about that music. It wasliterally just like, this is a
safe space for us. You know,there's plenty of other places
you can drink, there's plenty ofother places that you can
perform. This is for us. And.
Was the initial like, all right,you need to go. But like, they
were considering it. And, yeah,I

mean, I've read a lot of interesting analysis
and responses to the movie DellDelroy lindo himself said he
didn't really consider the moviea horror movie so much as a
allegory for assimilation. Yeah,

exactly. Oh, man. And then the camera work.
The how insane, what they wereable to do with the IMAX cameras
was the 65 I mean, Autumn Dural,who is the DP, she's got an eye,
man, because she also did PaloAlto, Wakanda forever, The Last
Showgirl. But I was more like,Oh, I could see why Coogler has

(10:44):
been working with her a lot,because she didTTeen Spirit,
which was also beautifully shot.
So yeah, I'm excited to seewhere she keeps going.

The Last Showgirl was beautifully shot,
but it's a completely differentvibe than Sinners. So she's real
versatile, too. No,

that. That's what I'm loving about her body
of work. Like all those movies Ijust mentioned, completely
different looks, completelydifferent things. But through
line is just like, You knowwhat? Like, the the camera is
incorporated in, in fullytelling the story and the
themes, and it's a part of it.
Like, last show girl was just,was like, what, a lot of
handhelds on 16, and you reallyfelt like you were in there,

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whereas this, if you you were,it was more ethereal, like
moving around, a lot morestatic. And, ah, yeah. And I
will, this is, this is a rarity,that movie had like, four
endings, and I wanted five more,like I was just like eating it
up. And I genuinely got sofucking excited as it's a cameo.

(11:45):
I don't know if a whole lot ofpeople would be stoked for but
Buddy Guy popping up like one ofthe Greatest Guitarists of All
Time, blues singer. I mean, whenI, when he popped up, I I almost
ran out of the road, because Iwas just like, No fucking way.
You making a blues movie and youget Buddy Guy in it. Kugler is

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working some fucking magic inhere. The my only thing is, I
now because, like, if you'regonna franchise this, which
Coogler signed a historic dealerdeal with this, and that he gets
the rights back after 25 years.
And that's

the thing.
People are joking that they needto go the route of like freaking
Amityville with this for the 25years that they have it. They
just need to exploit the crapout of it. Because you're right,
this is a deal. And this is adeal that, I mean, Ryan Coogler,
he's made a name for himself,but he's not a household name.

(12:44):
This is not Scorsese or Lucas orSpielberg. So for him to be able
to demand, hey, and in 25 years,I get these rights, and for them
to go for it. I mean,

yeah, but the, but but the movies he's made
have grossed over billion, likehe's he's made studios billions.
So, I mean, he's definitelycommanded it. But if they were
to do a sequel or something, Iwant to spin off. I want to know
more about that. Those NativeAmerican Vampire Hunters I know
because they pop up for asecond, but they have a presence

(13:20):
like, Y'all have a story, and Iwant to know what it is, because
they were cool as shit. I lovethat. It just, they're just
like, nights coming, nope, out,

Yep, yeah.
Well, the funny, I kind ofexpected them to roll up and
save the day at the end. Butthen when you think about it,
you're like, oh, nah, they,they, they did their duty, and
they're, you know, it's kind ofone of those deals where they
just wanted to drive it awayfrom them. And, you know, it's,
it's white boys problem now, youknow, it's, well,

that's a thing.
Like they, they were smartenough, no, not to hunt vampires
at night. Yeah, yeah. Well,that's what we that's

what Jay and I were messaging last day. Because
I was like, these guys are socool. I want my own like, Yeah,
but they just kind of doped outof there. It's like, yeah, they
do better. They knew better thanjust stay after dark with that
around. They were smart

enough. So anyway, uh, bottom line, go see
sinners if you haven't, becauseit's amazing. It's one of the
one of the movies of the year.
I'm I'm calling it right now.
It's going to be on all of ourtop 10s, probably in the top
five on all three of my wouldguess. But anyway, let's move
on. Another new thing that cameout. Have you guys seen drop?

I didn't see drop, not yet. First of all
here, okay,

drop is, it's a new Blumhouse movie. It's not
a horror movie so much as thissuspense. You know what it is.
It's Red Eye for a differentgeneration, because it's about
this woman, who she's she's awidow, a widow with a with a
young kid, and she goes to, shegoes on a blind date, not a
blind date like a like a datingapp date. I. And when she gets

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this high scale, you know, fancypants restaurant and the date, I
mean, he's charming, he's goodlooking, she's pretty happy. But
then she starts getting theseair drops on her phone. And at
first they're just like littleteasing memes. But then they
start saying things like, youknow, you have to do this, you
have to do this, you have to doand they're giving her these

(15:21):
things to do, and then they'resending her pictures from her
security camera at home, wherethere's a guy in a mask in her
house that's gonna kill her sonif she doesn't do this stuff. So
it's it's very Red Eye,and it's actually pretty well
crafted. It's ChristopherLandon, who he's mostly written,
more than he's directed, butlike Happy Death Day and even

(15:42):
Heart Eyes, you know, he's, he'sin the Blumhouse stable, and
it's pretty well crafted. It'spretty well put together. It's,
it's contained. And she knowssomeone in this restaurant is
sending her these drops,because, you know, you can't air
drop across the country, sosomebody she knows it's somebody
within her line of sight. Soit's a pretty, pretty good

(16:04):
mystery that gets build up. Ireally liked it until I didn't.
It kind of goes off the railstowards the end. I feel like the
writers didn't quite know how toget the people out of this
situation. So it kind of goesoff the rails towards the end.
But as far as you know, thefirst two acts and probably half

(16:26):
of the third act are all reallygood, and then it just, kind of,
it just kind of drops off. Butit's, it's pretty fun. I mean,
it's, I don't know that it'sgoing to be remembered much past
this year, but, I mean, it's,it's definitely worth watching,
though, yeah. I mean, it lookedfun, yeah, yeah, that's what it
is,

yeah. And speaking of fun, anyone else see
Death of a Unicorn? Yes, yeah,it delivered what it promised. I
really

like death of a unicorn. Were you disappointed
Correia. That was kind of a

it's fine. I had some fun with it. I think it
needed more camp. It needed tobe like, at least 25% more camp,
because it felt like it was onthat line a lot. I feel like
will Porter knew the assignment,and he totally did with him with
that. I love the creaturedesign, and the kills were a lot

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of fun, but cool effects,unicorn, yeah, there was a lot
of cool stuff with that. I justfelt like it's, if you're gonna
do a biting site satire about,like, you know, the greed of the
rich and and using circles andall that jazz. Like, you got to
go a little bit more. You don'thave to go full on society with

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it and over the Topness. But I,you know, if you're using, like,
unicorns to tell that and allthat stuff, like, I just needed
it to be a little bit more camp.
And I

thought that it was campy. I mean, the thing
is, Paul Rudd and Jenna Ortegaare not they are like the
straight men, but the entirefamily, the pharmaceutical Baron
family, I thought they were allcompletely camp. I mean, Tia
Leone is, she's great. She justover acts in all the right

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places. I mean, it was jurassicpark three for her, yeah, that's
what this kind of reminded meof. It was, was like a Jurassic
Park 3. See, you guys know me. Idon't really do any research
going into these things, so Iwas not expecting death unicorn
to become a full on CreatureFeature. But it does. It is like

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it, you know, because the shortsynopsis the elevator pitches,
Paul Rudd and his daughter,Jenna Ortega, are cruising to,
he's gonna, he's, he's a lawyerdoing work for this
pharmaceutical family, and he'strying to muscle his way on to
their board. So he's cruising totheir house, and it's through
this isolated forest, and theyhit and they think they kill a

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unicorn, so they throw in theback of the car and they
continue up to the house. But ofcourse, the thing's not dead,
and chaos ensues all over theplace with this, you know,
unicorn, yeah.

And then it turns out that the Unicorn has
extremely healing propertieswith its blood and horn, and the
people that they're meeting arethe heads of this big ass
pharmaceutical company. Andalso, I do love that Richard E
grant is there as the ruthlesspharma CEO, like, he really
nailed that, and also being abig game hunter, yeah. And

he's also dying. And like, that's part of
the reason why Paul Red's goingup there, because they have to
transfer his company. But whenthey find out that the horn and
blood have these properties, ofcourse, it heals him and he sees
dollar signs. So yeah, it's,it's kind of, yeah, it's kind of
a biting satire, but it's also.
Just a freaking monster.

Yeah? Like, we get a lot of violent unicorn
based kills, with people gettingstomped, stabbed, bitten,

hooved. Yep, they're you get a lot of good
you get a lot of good carnage.

Yeah, I just, I just wanted to, because again,
Paul Rudd and Jenna Ortega couldhave camped it up hard and and
been a part of the fun, but itdid. It felt like those two
different movies going on, andthey didn't really want to,
like, lean into it. And I Yeah,so you're

saying that the scientists are the only ones
that should have been played itstraight.

Yeah. I mean, again, it was, it had, it had a
lot of fun moments. It's not abad movie. I just, I was sitting
there just wanting a bit more.

The guy who stole it for me was Griff the
he's kind of a butler, caretakerof this pharmaceutical family.
And anytime something, some shitneeds to be done, they're like,
oh, Griff, go do it. And he'slike, Oh, you got to be fucking,
you know, you go out in thefront yard and, you know, do
something while these unicornsare out there. He's like, You
gotta be kidding me, yeah,

no, no, he was great. That's Anthony Kerrigan,
who plays no ho Hank from Barry.
And yeah, no, he was really goodin it as just being, yeah, it
kind of this kind of thestraight man in the situation of
like, You're seriously asking meto go out there where the
unicorn just ripped apart abunch of people.

Oh, but the thing that's super disappointed
me is they had Jessica Hynes init, who is from Spaced, and they
gave her, like, no comedicmoments at all, like she was the
most straight, like, straightman character out there as,
like, like, even, like, the headof security or something, who
is, like, trying to take it downand stuff. And I'm just like,

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how do you have Jessica Heinz inyour movie and you don't allow
her comedic chops to, like,shine? And I think that's,
that's the thing is, you got alot of people, like, even Paul
Rudd, where it's like, there'sno goofy Paul Rudd in this like,
where's Where's, where's mygoofy goober. Come on, yeah.
They didn't

have him play ridiculously, but they did,
yeah, they had him be a bit moredeadpan, and that he was kind of
a dumb ass because, like,Jenner, like a general or take
is having, like, the spiritualmoment with the unicorn, and
then he bashes its head in witha tire iron, like, like, stuff
like that. I thought was prettyfunny, but

I did love the reveal of how they
discovered the magicalproperties, because when he
bashes its head in, because hethinks he's doing it a favor by
putting his out of its misery,but the blood splatters up on
him, and all of a sudden hedoesn't need his glasses anymore
because the blood got in hiseyes. And Jenna Ortegas, she is
Acne at the beginning of themovie, and it clears up, and

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you're like, okay, something'sgoing on with what splashed on.
It's, oh, it's, yeah, I reallyhad fun with Death of a Unicorn.
I thought it was good. Yeah.

I really enjoyed that. Have either you guys seen
Warfare?
No, haven't gone to that yet,not yet

taking it to the opposite end of the
spectrum, we're gonna go not funwarfare. It's the new Alex
Garland, and it was co Writtenand directed by by a guy who
lived it a Navy SEAL.

He was a consultant on Civil War, right?

Was he?

Yeah, I think that's how him and garland knew
each other.

Yeah, his name's Ray Mendoza, and he, he
maybe that, that you know, withhis, with his consulting
garlands, like there's a moviethere. Here's the thing with
warfare as an experience, it'samazing. It drops you right into
this. There's basically thisSEAL team that's laying down

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sniper fire for anotheroperation, and they get, they
get pinned down themselves.
They're in Iraq, and theybasically take over this house,
and they're laying down fire,and they have to be extracted.
And it is basically just thisvisceral, you know, intense
experience. And it's, there's nofat on it at all. It is about 90

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minutes, and it goes, I mean,there's a little prequel deal
where they show the soldiers,you know, having fun before they
before hell breaks loose. Andthere's a little afterwards
thing, which is kind ofinteresting, because at the
afterward, they show the actornext to the real soldier that he
played, because this is all atrue story, and about two thirds

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of them, the actor, the realsoldiers face, is blurred out.
And I'm wondering, is thatbecause they're still active
duty seals and they, you know,they don't want to blow their
cover, or did they not signreleases? Or, you know, I was
wondering why these guys weretheir face were blown out. But
as an experience, you know, itputs you right in the warfare.

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And I don't think I've seen itas immersive of a warfare movie
since, like maybe Dunkirk, wherethe only reason Dunkirk was
immersive is because of thesound. This is. The whole
experience. But to me, warfarefeels like part of a bigger
movie. You know, like, from astory standpoint, it feels like
just like a big long it feelslike the climax of a longer

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movie. So, you know, a plus forthe experience. I give it a c
plus for actual narrative.

Yeah, I heard it compared to Black Hawk Down.
What do you Who do you think

I haven't seen Black Hawk Down, so I don't
know, but it, um, but it is. Imean, basically the whole thing
is them having to pull thesesoldiers out. And it's kind of
funny, because at 1.1 of thetries of pulling them out, and
this happens actually fairlyearly. They hit an eye an IUD,
and one of the soldiers getscompletely messed up. His leg

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gets blown off, and for the restof the movie, in the street out
in front of this house, his legis just sitting there, and
you're like, someone picked thatup. I mean, he's gonna need, I
mean, it's kind of, it's kind ofmorbidly humorous. You know that
the parts of this poor soldierare strewn about the house, you

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know, because they pull him in,but, you know, his leg is still
out there. So, you know, there,that's part of the deal is
they're like, you know, no manleft behind. They're like,
tourni, kidding him, and theyhave to give him morphine and
all this. You know, the guys whoare wounded, they have to,
they're trying to keep themalive while another and they do
this thing that's really kind ofcool. They call it show of

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force, where they call in an airstrike. But the air strike
doesn't actually launch anymissiles or guns. It just flies
real low over the street, whichobviously causes, like, a big
sonic boom and kicks up dust andeverything. And it's
disorienting. So it gives themsome cover to, like, do whatever
they need to do. But they'llcall in, you know, we need to

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show a force here, and then,like an F 16 will just fly real
low and blow everything, youknow, figuratively blow
everything up, you know, notliterally launch any because,
you know, they don't want tocompletely obliterate this city
block, you know, but they dowant to lay down some, some
cover for these people. So Ithought that was kind of

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interesting little peek behindthe curtain of uh, of Navy
operations, I guess,

on another, uh, opposite end of the spectrum.
Did any of you guys see, uh,Freaky Tales? No,

what I did win a letter box contest with it.
So, haha, Jacob, you're not theonly one who wins stuff. I won
something. Okay, you got

me there. I'm

getting a t shirt. Oh, damn, I

wanted that T shirt, but anyway, yeah, no, I
wasn't really sure what toexpect going in, but it just
sounded pretty out there. It'sbasically not an horror
anthology, but an anthology ofkind of these different
colliding plot lines in 1987Oakland. And, yeah, there's and

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it kind of hits a bunch ofdifferent genres, because, like,
there's a story about thesepunks who keep on getting
attacked by the skinhead gang,and they decide to defend
themselves. And about this upand coming girl rap duo try to
hit it big, and Pedro Pascalplays this leg breaker who wants
to get out of the business. Andthe final story, and the

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craziest one, is about the NBAAll Star whose girlfriend and
mother are attacked by robberswho are part of a gang who were
attacking basketball starsduring the big playoffs, and he
decides to get revenge, becauseit turns out he's a martial arts
master, and it was a lot of fun.
And it was crazy how stackedthat cast is, because it turned

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out it was directed by AnnaBonin and Ryan Fleck, who did
like, uh, Captain Marvel andstuff like that. And so, yeah,
yeah, I said Pedro Pasco. Butthey also got Ben Mendelsohn,
and probably his most like,sleazy, villainous, just, just
most hateable character, like heplays this racist Oakland
detective. And, I mean, it was alot of fun, and a lot of Neo

(29:11):
Nazis and skinheads get theirass beats. So, you know, that's
always a good time. Yeah,always,

always, Oh, so you're saying that Correia,
to get even with the NBA tookout a hit on all these NBA
players to try to free up, whoa,wait, try to try to free up ball
arena for a Kylie Minogueconcert.

First and foremost, don't be putting stuff
out there in the ether of mehaving plots against people with
way more money with than me.

You got to be careful what you say these days,
don't you? Yeah, don't

you put that evil on me. Ricky Bobby,

but also, I mean, one moment back to that
ball arena. Come on, Colorado.
Oh, we're building a sportsarena where there's. To be a
bunch of sports. What should wedo? Well, they all have balls in
common, because they play withballs. It's like, Yeah, let's do
that, even though they also dofucking hockey, yeah,

let's call it the puck arena when the
avalanche are playing there. ButI

also can't make fun of another arenas name,
because, LA, we havecrypto.com.com like, I mean,
come on. But at least that wegot money for it to be called
that y'all chose to call it ballarena. So

I, at this point, I preferred the Staples
Center, right,

right. I don't know why, but that sounds
better,

because crypto sucks. Yeah, that's true.

I have, I do have some Correia book nook
recommendations. I'll rapid firethem because I recently got a
new refurbished Fire book forlike 40 bucks. And so I've been
hitting the hoopla app reallyhard, which is another free
service from your library. Socheck your local library. If you
can get an LA library, theyspend the most money on these

(31:01):
programs. So yeah, figure itout. Rapid fire. We Ride Titans.
Is a dope mechs. Mech versuskaiju story with a lesbian
protagonist. It's basicallylesbian Pacific Rim. It's really
good, with good family dynamics.

And who put that out?

It was written by Adrian F Wassel or Wessel.
It's an indie comic, but you canfind it digitally or your local
comic. It's just one trade rightnow. And what was it called?
Again, We Ride Titans. Yeah,that one's really good. There's
a new Space Ghost comic serieswhere they take his lores very

(31:46):
serious. And it is phenomenal.
They turn, who's the green guyagain? Zorak. Zorak. They turn
zorak into like a cosmic horrorcult leader, fanatic, and that's
not even the coolest thing.
That's just like one aspect, butthey take the lore very serious.

(32:08):
And it's really, really good.
It's very like, kind of likeorigin stories about how the
siblings join them and whattheir purpose is. I was blown
away by it, and the artwork isincredible. I believe dynamite
is putting that out. Um, highlyrecommend that. Uh, I've been
getting into Swamp Thing becauseI want to read from the
beginning. And let me tell you,Bronze Age Swamp Thing is

(32:29):
incredible, because they like doredo his origin story after the
one shot, and then theyimmediately ship him off to
Europe, for some reason, but theentire time, because Swamp Thing
is a tragic character. He's ascientist. Accident happens. He
melds with the swamp, and hebecomes the swamp monster thing,
who can't talk. It's a tragicmonster story classic. That's
why he's he's so good formultiple things, but the

(32:52):
narrator is a fucking prick,because, like, it's almost like
every other slide they go andthis walking abomination of for
of a former human. And it wasjust like, Jesus, let the leave
the leave the man alone. Likehe's, he's, he's doing the best
he can, fighting whatever thethis

thing is, they know they I remember reading
some of the Swamp Thingcomments, and they really like
to emphasize just, he's D themonster,

yeah. It's like, if you were narrating like
a nerdy kid and be like, andthis pit bull face country here
can't walk down the hallwaywithout getting wedged. And it's
like, dude, leave him alone. Theirony is, in that first volume,
the worst issue is when he meetsBatman, but they quickly make up
for it in the next issue withthis Lovecraftian Cronenberg
horror, body horror, like ElderGod creature that he finds in a

(33:40):
cave. It's great. Also, thespider punk series, I think they
recently just put out a volumetwo. Is incredible. I highly
recommend it if you like thatcharacter from the comics. And
then last recommendation, Ifinally got to really deep dive
on my Garth Marenghi's TerrorTome audio book. If you can read

(34:05):
it, it's great, but the audiobook is, if you know Garth
Marenghi from Garth Marenghi'sDark Place. He's a fictional
horror writer that's like aparody of Stephen King Dean
Koonz and all them. That's justvery over the top. And this is
supposed to be his actual book.
And if you listen to theaudiobook, it's him reading it
himself. And it is, it's soweird, like, I think it's three

(34:26):
stories, and the first one isabout how a fake, fictional
author that's like a based onhim, starts a relationship with
a cursed typewriter that's notonly typing like evil, but he's
also having sex with it. And sothere's entire passages just
talking about, like, thetypewriter mashing his his bits

(34:46):
and stuff, and like, how that,how that's doing it for him. And
I'm being very like, censoredwith how it is they go into very
graphic details on those sexscenes. And it is hilarious. And
again, it. It's, it's throughthe voice of Garth Marenghi and
Garth Marenghi reads everythinghe goes front page. Garth
Marenghis terror tome about theauthor. It's like, just reads

(35:09):
like the whole sleep beforegetting into the book. It's
brilliant. Highly recommend. Istill

love the the main inspiration for Garth
Marenghi was the teaser trailerfor Maximum Overdrive, where
Stephen King says, I'm gonnascare you to death. Yeah,
that's, that's where theystarted.

That's the energy of Garth Marenghi. Yeah,
that's, that's perfect. He'sjust very over the top. He's
like, and, and if there is a wayto add, like, an extra adjective
to a to a noun, Garth Marenghiadds six that, and that's like,
like, if you took out all theadjectives, all the parables,
all that from it that the chapthe chapter, goes from like 100

(35:48):
pages to like five. It's, it'sinsane, and it's, again, as an
audio book. It is the funniestthing. I really annoyed Lindsey
on that drive back from PalmSprings the other day listening
to that.

So a couple of things that I don't know if
you guys have seen, couple of,not really horror, but action
movies. Have you guys seen aworking man? No,

no, I didn't get but I know, but I know it's
beekeepers. No, it isn't.

It isn't.
It's the boys that may it's theguys. Yeah, it is not. I was
expecting it to be the beekeeperpart two, and it was not. It's
not nearly as much fun. It's notas over the top. It's basically,
I mean, Jason Statham. Don'teven pretend that the character
has a name. He's Jason Statham,and he is, um, he works for this
construction company, and theirdaughter gets kidnapped, so he

(36:39):
has to save him from thisRussian mob. And it's just not
fun. It's not as much fun as thebeekeeper. The beekeeper was
just by the end of thebeekeeper, he's fighting off
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtlevillains. And this is just not
that fun. And there's one it.
There's also one scene towardsthe beginning where, like, he's

(37:02):
like a construction foreman, andall these guys show up and start
beating up one of his guys, andhe goes up there and kicks all
their asses and, you know, tellsthem, get off my site, you know.
And you think, Okay, this is ourinciting incident. Well, no,
that goes nowhere. That justproves what a bad ass he is. And
you're like, Wait, so you guysaren't going to come back and
try to finish this. It just, itwas a little disappointing. But

(37:27):
they do have the the ultimateFamily Guy, where he's, he's
he's fighting a guy, and thenthey stop fighting, and he goes,
You're not a cop, you're aworking man. So it does have
that, but, yeah, working man isnot, it's no beekeeper part two.

So if it's, if it's not good, can't be fun,
like beekeepers, it at leastlike, is it? It leans more
towards, like, taking and takingbeing serious, because, I mean,
it is about human trafficking abusiness, yeah,

it, it does lean more towards that. Only
Jason Statham is not LiamNeeson. You know, he's more like
pure muscle and not as clever.
You know, I don't know it's

Well, I mean, Jason stathams and Liam neesons
are two different flavors of icecream,

exactly, exactly. And I think Jason
Statham, yeah, Jason Statham.
Statham tastes better with alittle bit of bee honey on, I
might say, because the beekeeperwas awesome. But, yeah, not
much. But also another actionmovie that's not really horror,
The Amateur. Do you guys see theamateur?

You know, I did. I saw that trailer went,
That's a dad movie. I'm there.
You

know, the thing is, the amateur, the
amateur, I did kind of want itto be a little campier,
especially when they get intosome of the tech stuff that he
does, which is, you know, it'snot quite, you know, two idiots,
one keyboard, but some of thetech stuff that he does because
he's like a cryptographer, orwhatever. He's a code breaker

(39:02):
for the CIA and, um, and whathappens is, you know, the the
elevator pitch for this is hiswife goes to London and is
killed in a terrorist attack. Sohe goes to his bosses, and he's
a CIA code breaker. But he said,goes to them and says, I want
you to train me as an agent so Ican take my revenge on these

(39:23):
guys myself. And he actually hasdirt on his bosses, so he kind
of blackmails him into lettinghim do this. And Lawrence
Fishburn, it's Rami Malek is theguy, and Lawrence Fishburn is is
the guy training him. And whenhe goes, he's trying to train

(39:45):
him to shoot, and he can't hitthe side of he can't hit the
side of a freaking building.

He's a real amateur dude. He's very much an
amateur. And

at one point, lords Fishburne likes a holder
fire and moves him. Like threequarters of the way down the
range, and then he can starthitting the arms of this target,
and he goes, Okay, so at leastnow we know you you gotta be
point blank to do this so, andthat kind of is the rest of the
movie, when he does end upbecause he's smart enough to

(40:17):
track down who killed his wife,but he has to find more creative
ways to kill them, because hecan't shoot for shit. In fact,
they even make a joke of it atone point. And this is shown in
the commercial where there's aguy swimming in a pool between
two buildings and and it's, it'skind of a fun thing. Basically,
the way he gets that guy is hedestroys the pool and the guy

(40:38):
falls. But at one point theyasked me, Well, why don't you
just shoot the glass? And he'sall you've never seen me shoot.

Well, and I think that's the thing with the
movie, because again, I went inexpecting, like, a real dad
thriller or whatever. I Lindsaycan attest that I annoyed the
piss out of them for months.
Whenever that trailer came up, Ijust, like, right before the
title came up, I was like, Idon't think this guy knows what
he's doing. I don't think he's aprofessional. And then they're
not paying attention, so theygo, what? And then the screen
would go, the amateur. And sowhen I saw the movie, I timed it

(41:08):
perfectly. There was just one ofthose moments, and Lindsay put a
person between us. I mean, theyput our friend Pat between us,
because they knew this wascoming. But I just heard a pals
like, I don't think this guyknows what he's doing. I don't
think he's a professional. Andthat was the most fun I had,
because every, every time he didsomething, I was like, man, what
is this amateur hour?

They never actually, they didn't go out as
far as a working man. He didn'tsay, this guy's not a
professional. He's the amateur.
That would have been amazing.

But, and I think that's one of the things
like, because when it was try,when it was just doing, like,
government conspiracy thriller,spy stuff, it's really solid, I
think, first and foremost, howhe does kill people, because he
can't do guns, is very jigsaw.
And over the top, there's like,one part where he tries to kill
someone with pollen. That'slike, the first thing, and in
which case, I'm like, Dude, thisis fucked up. You're trying to

(41:59):
kill this person with seriousallergies, with all in like,
Dude, that's worse than justshooting someone.

It's like that movie, law abiding citizen with,
uh, jar Butler, remember that?
Yeah, yeah. Or, or even

the the pool scene that they show off in the
in the trailers, it's like,Okay, what about everyone?
Because it's a pool that Brit isa bridge between two tall
skyscreens. There's people onthe street. About the people
below it? What? What about youhear some really horrific
screens come out of there.
That's not from that guy. Andit's like, did other people get
injured or die? What the fuck?

(42:32):
And I think the worst thingabout it is the director of it
did a bunch of black mirrorepisodes and a lot of other BBC
I think he did some Doctor Whoas well, because a lot of these
set pieces don't feel big, andit all felt small, kind of like
on that TV thing, even though,like, especially that bridge
one, like they had budget andstuff. And, you know, it's, it's

(42:53):
fine. It's a it's a solid I'drecommend, if it goes to a
streaming service, check it out.
It's a fun time, especially ifyou're sitting there, and every
time he does something. You justgo, what is the sandwich or
hour? Like, that was, that was ablast.

I wanted more of that, especially seeing some,
like, the weird stuff, like,like, at one point he because he
knows the CIA he's gone rogue,and the CIA is after him. And at
one point, he fools them intothinking he's in like, three
other different cities. And theway he does that, you're like,
Okay, I can see this beingpossible, but it was a little

(43:25):
too easy for him. So the waythat he

invented 70% of their technology, they as
they bluntly, stay in the thing.
And also you just kind of haveto go, like, okay, cool. So this
is hackers, hack the world,baby.

It kind of that's what some of the tech
reminded me of, not quite asstupid as, you know, a rabbit
that actually eats, yes, thetechnology and hackers, I'm
calling it stupid, Korea islooking at me. What

a fight. What a fight. I'm taking my shirt off
now, like we'll meet inApplebee's How dare you going to
San Diego? Yeah, listen, listen,Kylie's canceled. I got nothing
to live for. Man, I will. I willmeet you in the Applebee's
parking lot. How dare you?
Merch, Hackers.

No, I love hackers, but you have to admit
the tech is kind of silly. Crashand burn.

On another note there and back on horror, Did
either of you guys see Hell of aSummer

No, I want to that's the Finn Wolfhard movie,
right? Yeah, yeah,

Finn Wolfhard and Billy brick, like they both
directed, co wrote and startedit. And, you know, I thought it
was actually a really fun summercamp slasher throwback, because
it's basically about, well, it'skind of a modern update,
because, like usually in thesesummer camp slasher movies, like
the counselors are all assholesor jerks, and they kind of just

(44:53):
updated that for Gen Z. And I dokind of like the premise,
because it's like. Um, there'sthis one counselor, Jay Jason,
whose name is Jason. He's playedby Fred hetchinger, and he's
been going to the same summercamp since he was kidding. He's
24 years old, and he want, andhe's trying to, like, climb his

(45:14):
way to being, I don't know,like, assistant head of the camp
and the owners of the camp aremysteriously missing, ie dead,
and so they're just kind ofsetting things up, not knowing
that there's a killer on theloose. And yeah, I thought it
was a lot of fun. I mean, it'san 88 minute summer camp slasher

(45:36):
had some pretty inventive kills.
Speaking of allergies, not to dotoo much with spoiler, but
there's a very annoying kid whokeeps on bringing his allergy to
peanut butter, and the killer,like, uh, ties him up and
torments him by at first itseems like you're gonna stab
him, then he stabs into a jar ofpeanut butter and threateningly

(45:57):
approaches him with the peanutbutter covered knife.

What that? Did they not see that episode of
Freaks and Geeks where they gaveBill peanut butter? Like, that's
a horrible thing to do tosomeone, exactly people's
allergies, people? Man, yeah,

I don't know what it is. There's a lot of
movies about people targetingpeople's allergies lately. I

know it's fun to rub bagels on your friend who
has a gluten allergy and seeingthe imprint on their arm, but
like, don't do that, especiallynow that I gave you the idea,
don't do that. You didn't hearfrom me.

Speaking of Finn Wolfhard, I saw the the new
a 24 movie, The Legend of ochi,that opens this week. Either you
guys see, have they done the prescreenings for triple A 24 on
that. They

do have the ticket out, but I was kind of
had weekend plans. I can see itnow. Thanks. Fucking ball arena.
Yeah,

here's the thing with legend. It is a
beautifully shot. It's abeautiful movie. It is shot in
Romania, and it is. Thelocations are gorgeous. The I
want to figure out how much ofOchi is puppetry and how much is
CG. There's, like this end scenewhere it's pretty much all CG.

(47:13):
But I think a lot of Ochi ispuppetry. You can actually kind
of see on the set where thepuppeteer is, like, behind or
underneath him. So basically,it's about, there's this town
that isn't they share space withthis kind of monster, like this
cryptid. And one of the leaderof the cryptid hunters is Willem

(47:38):
Dafoe, and he has this army ofyoung boys, and Finn Wolfhard is
one of them who goes hunting forthese things, but he also has a
daughter, and the daughter findsa young one of these ochies in a
trap, so she frees it and makesfriends with it. And from a
story point of view, it, Iwanted to connect more

(48:00):
emotionally with it than I did.
It's not it, it's not like ET,you know, where you actually
feel the relationship between,you know, man and creature. So
it, you know, I mean, it's abeautifully made movie, but it
didn't quite hit me in thefeels. There was no, you know,
creature magic to it, but, butthe creatures are cool, and the

(48:24):
locations are amazing. AndWillem Dafoe choose every stick
of scenery in this damn movie,because that's Willem Dafoe
does. He reminds me of in JoJorabbit. Sam Rockwell, you know
how, like, you know, by the end,he's donning his costume to
fight. You know, Willem Dafoekind of dons this armor that is

(48:45):
similar to that. So it's kind ofa similar character to that.
But, yeah, okay, it won't be,won't quite be Kylie Minogue,
but it's, it's worth doing,since you don't have plans this
weekend. Well, I'm definitely

seeing Sinners again. I probably will be
locking myself in a movietheater or at home playing

Robocop (49:09):
Rogue City, which if you if you don't play video
games. Let me tell you, when Iremembered that I had a desktop
computer that could handlesomething like that. Robocop:
Rogue City is so good, and yes,you can shoot people in the dick
like Robocop. It's it's so muchfun. And you get to give out
parking tickets.

Nice. And in terms of new releases, this will
be released by the time thisepisode comes out. So I can say
that I saw until Dawn and I hada very fun time with it, like,
if you played the games. Yes,

not No,

Until Dawn is one is again the it's a tragic
victim to my ADHD of like, I'llplay it for a bit, and then I'll
ADHD out, go somewhere else,come back and be like, I don't
remember the controls. I don'tremember what I'm doing. I lost
the plots and yeah, but untildawn is the game that. In the
quarry, which is the spiritualsequel, is, is a lot of fun.

(50:04):
Yeah,

unfortunately, you won't have to worry about
playing it for nine to 12 hours,because they managed to get it
down to a nice hour and a half.
But, yeah, it's pretty funbecause they, you know, it's not
the same story. They kind oftransplanted the concept to this
kind of time loop story, which,you know, they show in the
trailers, that, like this groupof friends, they end up in this
weird house in the in thewilderness, and they get killed,

(50:27):
but then they immediately comeback to life. So it's also like,
you know, well, I mean, not likeuntil dawn the video game,
because you can, you save,respawn. But like any tip, any
other typical video game, youcan say, respond, so it's kind
of like that. And, yeah, no,there's a really dug it because
there's such a variety ofmonsters and killers, like,

(50:49):
there's a slasher, there's awitch, there's a lot of ghouls
and zombies and and little bitof a spoiler, but there are when
to go from the original gamenice and a lot of practical
effects too, which I really dug.

(51:11):
And, yeah, no, I and Peter stormair doing what Peter Stormer
does best, and being verycreepy. Well, he's in

the games as well, so you kind of had to have
him, and it wouldn't be untilDon then. And also the fact that
you said that there's ghoulstoday, you know how much we love
ghouls, so,

well, yeah, you gotta have your goals.

Oh, I mean, what's the point? What's the
point of doing anything ifthere's no goals involved,

exactly, but, yeah, no, I really dug it. I
mean, it's very, is a verydifferent spin on the games, and
just kind of more, you know,using some plot elements and
more iconic monsters andcreatures from them. But I
thought David F Sandberg did agood job of setting up a lot of

(51:57):
fun scares. And again, thecreature effects was
outstanding. And, yeah, no, Ireally dug it. It's kind of a
Monster Mash type movie, which,you know, we're always down for
a graveyard Smash. I

didn't know it was David F Sandberg, that's,
yeah, lights kind of lights out.

David S Sandberg, he directed it

right on cool. I was not aware of that,
but I also wasn't aware it was avideo game. So where have I
been? You

would like those games, because it's one of
those, like, like, you makechoices and it influences it.

So yeah, it's more of a cinematic game. Yeah,
and

Remy Malek is in the first one with and Hayden
penitentiary. And, like, thepenitentiary, I was just made
fun of for mispronouncing hername because I was talking about
bring it on three and how juststraight up racist that movie
is. It's incredible. The BringIt On franchise is great. I

got all the they had a deal where you get,
like, all whatever, seven moviesfor eight bucks, so I might have
to binge to bring it on. Ialmost

did that deal, but I already had the collection
that came out before cheer ordie on DVD. I got it from a Rite
Aid for $1 and I was like, Allright, I can't justify getting a
digital version if I have it allon DVD.

I didn't have any of them I've only seen the
first one, the one, the one withwhat's her head, Elijah Deus
crew and

Kirsten DUNS.
Yeah,

that's the only one that I've seen. That's
the best one. Maybe I'll need toburn through. It's better than
cheer or die.

Yeah, I think I had too high of expectations
for Cheer or Die.

So let's call this one an episode here. I hope
you guys all like the episodeswhere all we do is talk to each
other, because that's what yougot here, mainly because we had
a lot to talk about, because wehaven't. Again, apologize for
missing a couple episodes.
Sometimes, you know, Life findsa way, and we get busy and sick
and, you know, upset with KylieMinogue, or I should say, upset

(54:06):
with the city of Denver sports.

I will never be upset with Kylie Minogue,
alright, cuz even, even Jack andDiane, which I was like this,
why is this a monster movie?
That movie is it was stillredeemed because they had a
tattooed up Kylie Minogue makingout with Riley Keo and like, you
know, like that, that alone,just like, hey, my day.

Alright.
Well, bottom line of today'sepisode, which, if you take
nothing else away from it, gosee Sinners on a big screen with
a great sound system multipletimes, yes, yes, see it as many
times as possible. And let's getthis into the Oscar
conversation. That would beamazing. So anyway, we will,
yeah, let's, let's get out ofhere. Our, our theme song is

(54:53):
byRRestless Spirit. Hey,restless spirit is playing San
Diego tomorrow night. Oh, shit.
You gotta go. I know, actuallySan Diego, not la So, yeah, woo
hoo. Our theme song by RestlessSpirit. So go check them out.
Our artwork is by Chris Fisher,so go check him out. You can
find us on all the socials,under Eye On Horror, or at

(55:16):
ihorror.com which is the site wewe all call home. And yeah,
we'll be back hopefully in twoweeks with an actual topic and
more stuff to talk about,because there's always, we're
past the dead point of moviescoming out, and there's good
ones always now. So we will seeyou in a couple of weeks. So for

(55:37):
me, James, Jay Edwards,

I'm Jacob Davison

And I'm Jonathan Correia,

keep your Eye On Horror.

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