November 29, 2025 • 34 mins
Correia, Waylon, and Lindsey dish about episodes 7 & 8 of the Boulet Brothers Dragula Titans Season Two!! We're getting close to the end... who's bringing the looks, who is getting shady in the boudoir, and who is going to take the crown?? Listen to the latest episode of the Talking Titans miniseries.
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Jonathan Correia (00:04):
Minisode! Welcome to Eye on Horror's
Talking Titans, the minisodes,where we talk about the Boulet
Brothers' Dragula Titans, seasontwo. This week, we are talking
episodes seven and eight. Butbefore we get into those, let me
introduce my co hosts Here. Ihave with us, author, writer,
all around Great guy, WaylonJordan. Waylon, how are you
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today?
Waylon Jordan (00:30):
I'm guys. How are you?
Lindsey (00:33):
Doing Great!
Jonathan Correia (00:34):
Killing it.
Also with us is the awesome,fantastic and my roommate,
Lindsey Gant, Lindsey!
Lindsey (00:42):
That's me. I wonder if people actually think we're
roommates at this point. You'vesaid it twice now.
Jonathan Correia (00:49):
I mean, it's true.
Lindsey (00:51):
It's true. We share the rent.
Jonathan Correia (00:53):
Hey, someone's gotta pay the other half.
Anywho, a lot has happened thesetwo these two weeks, these two
episodes, let's get right intoit with our recaps. So episode
seven, we had Darren Stein andPeaches Christ as guest judges
for the Boulet Brothers HorrorPicture Show. That's right, they
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brought back the live musical,which everyone hated when it
happened. For some reason, Iloved the camp of it, but we'll
get into that a bit later. Andwith the musical, it was Rocky
Horror theme, but they did theirown original song about
vampires. The Challenge winnerwas, of course, Eva Destruction.
And with that, was given thespecial power to evaporate the
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fellow contestant, eliminatingSigourney Beaver. We'll super
get into that in just a littlebit. The Hellbound Showbound
was, of course, BlackBerri, whokilled it. Let's get into
Episode Eight, which was thetheme Super Villains. We had
guest judges Steve Orlando andTodd McFarlane. The floor show
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was to conceptualize andshowcase a look embodying a
comic book super villain with asignature power. The winner was
back to back. Winner, EvaDestruction. The bottom four
this time was Abhora, CynthiaDoll, Jaharia and Jay Kay,
that's right, any everyone wasup for elimination, and so we
had to go up to the gallows at atime, one disappearing each
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time, the eliminated wereCynthia Doll and Jaharia, giving
us our final three of Jay KayEborha and Eva Destruction three
of the Final Four. We'll findout in next week's reunion. The
Hellbound Showbound winner wasSigourney Beaver, beating out
Blackberri and what I call itabsolute travesty. So already
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got a little spicy in my recap.
So let's get into it. Guysepisode seven, the Rocky Horror
Picture. Show, musical theme,live. Musical Redux. What you
guys think?
Lindsey (02:56):
Can I just like, start off by saying, though, just very
like, first of all, they came upwith this whole idea of this
hellbound showdown thing, noneof us can actually pronounce it
the way that you've saidhellbound showbound like three
times in that introduction, likeit's just been kind of chaotic
anytime we try to bring this uphellbound showdown, you said
hellbound showbound Twice.
Jonathan Correia (03:18):
What do you guys think? Because I know that
a lot of fans, and they talkedabout it in the episode, really
hated when they tried doing alive musical in a previous
season, which, yes, everyonesinging live was not great, but
I thought that was what was fun.
Of the challenge when they didit previously. This time,
everyone is saying they did sucha great job with it, and it like
felt fully produced. I justthink that they learned to pre
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record the singing, whichabsolutely helps with it.
Lindsey (03:47):
I think with my drag queens, I don't really expect
them to have a good singingvoice, but want them to be able
to sing along with the musicquite well and so and they just
made sense. It's cool that theywere able to sing it and they
recorded it and they sang alongby lip syncing. And that's kind
of what more I expect with them?
Waylon Jordan (04:01):
Well, yeah, I mean, lip syncing has been a
part of drag for decades now andand, I mean, it just goes along
with it, of course. You know,they did go to the step they
they recorded their own tracksto lip sync too, and that was
great. Some of them do havereally great voices. Some of
them are great performers, youknow. I mean, it's just, it's
one of those things where that'swhat you run into with any kind
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of musical number. I mean, I'mgoing to pull my best Eva here
as a theater kid and someonewho's done music my whole life,
you know,
Jonathan Correia (04:33):
would you say your best? Eva, I thought you
were going to start crying.
Waylon Jordan (04:36):
No, I'm not going to start crying yet. Yes, but
now I was, I was reallysurprised at how well it came
together. They were talkingabout Swan Zula, like, did all
of the choreography and stufflike that. That was another
thing that was really good, youknow, the direction, the
choreography, everything cametogether. They didn't just kind
of, like, turn them loose outthere on the stage, kind of like
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they did the last time. And itwas much. More put together
production this go around.
Jonathan Correia (05:02):
Yeah, and I think having a more of a more of
a theme to kind of base it off.
Because I think the previousone, it was kind of trying to do
a little bit of a West SideStory thing. This time, it was
Rocky Horror. I thought wasinteresting, especially since it
didn't sound like it in thecritiques. But I was blown away
by the performers that wereplaying the humans, like Cynthia
Doll as the boy and SigourneyBeaver as the girl, were giving
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like, the smaller roles. Butlike, they kept capturing my
attention the entire time,whereas, like, the vampire group
was very like, obviously big andout there and all that stuff, it
almost seemed like they weregiven the easier task. And so I
was, I was so surprised whenthey were like, Cynthia Doll.
You didn't bring much presents.
I was like, What? No, especiallywhen she started, like, twerking
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on top of Jay Kay, it was great.
I loved it.
Lindsey (05:49):
I think Cynthia was doing great for the role that
she was cast as. I love seeingthe gender bending with Cynthia
too, because Cynthia's has beenso traditionally FEM and but
seeing a lot more of the maskside as well come out. I just
thought that was really cool.
Waylon Jordan (06:02):
And, you know, I think it was Peaches that
pointed out. You know, of allthe things in the production
that they did, those two are thetwo hardest roles to sell.
Because, I mean, you're not abig character. You're not like a
big, flashy character the waythat drag queens are meant to
be. You're You're very like,more sedate and everything, or
at least Cynthia was, I washaving a lot of fun with it. I
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love the production. I love howeverybody just kind of jumped
into it. And really, actually,for the first time, maybe at all
this season, they all seem toreally be having a good time,
you know, and really be enjoyingwhat they were doing out on the
stage. That was, that was a lotof fun.
Jonathan Correia (06:41):
Well, the performance was fun, and they
were having fun there, but onceEva was crowned the winner of
the challenge, we learned thatthe boules were going to give
her the honor of eliminatingsomebody, which led to what I
thought was a pretty don't wantto say iconic. I almost want to
say, like, toxic cauldron inlike, a way that hasn't happened
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yet this season, it's beentoxic. Don't get me wrong, but
in other ways, before we getinto who she eliminated and why,
but like, what do you guys thinkof that? Because there's been a
lot of opinions of people sayingit wasn't fair giving somebody
given one of the cast membersthe ability to eliminate I
disagree. I think it's, youknow, it's it's something to mix
it up. It's something to shapeup the game. And also, I
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understand that, like the castmight not know about the
hellbound showbound, but we asan audience do, and so there's
definitely a chance if you getrid of a strong competitor,
they're just going to come rightback in the finale with the
Hellbound Showdown. I said itright that time. So what do you
guys say?
Lindsey (07:40):
You have, like, a really good point about that. I
also think it's an element ofthe Boulets giving up a bit of
control. I think we've seen abit of that more this season as
well. And this is just one moreof those elements where maybe
they have more control for sureon who stays and whose goes, but
being able to give that controlaway to somebody else, at least
for a moment, is, you know, agreat change of pace for what
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we've been seeing. But thenagain, I mean, I don't want to
get too far into End of EpisodeEight, but we do see what
happens when Sigourney getsbooted. Oh, I don't know if I
was shifted that yet, but we dosee what happens with that. And
goulets have a choice again onwhether or not to keep her. So
while it's a bit of giving upthe reins, maybe they didn't
actually fully give the reins,but at least have that facade of
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doing so, which led to good TV.
So I think it was a gooddecision to do it's
Waylon Jordan (08:28):
an extension of what they're already doing. You
know, everybody's acting likethis really came out of the blue
and stuff like that. But at thesame time, I mean, they give
them the protection, you know,spells, they give them shield
spells and stuff like that,yeah, you're really just an
extension of that. It's notsomething that went like totally
out of left field. Okay, you wonthis one. You're at the top
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right now. Here you go. Whatkind of decision will you make?
And I think that was part of thetest too, and part of what was
going on. What kind of decisionwill you make? Yeah, I gotta say
I was proud of her, because Ididn't think she had a dinner
there for a few minutes, andthen I was like, Okay, well,
she's here to play.
Jonathan Correia (09:05):
Well, let's talk about it then, because when
they go back to the cauldron,everyone kind of makes their
case to Eva on why theyshouldn't be eliminated, right?
And you could see that Eva waskind of like tossing it because
she's been, she hasn't beenplaying the game like that. She
hasn't been trying to, like,take people out, or anything
like that. And when it, youknow, power is given to her, she
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does seem to kind of be overlylike, all right, what, what let
me go through, like, the scoresheets, you know, you can kind
of see that going and you cansee her, like, taking in what
everyone's saying, andeveryone's kind of pleading a
case of, just like, you know,I've done this to improve on
myself. I've done this, youknow, I'm really proud of where
I am, and I feel like this isn'tthe end for me. And then
Sigourney comes in, and almostimmediately it's just like, do
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you want to be friends afterthis, or do you want to make
enemies? And she kind of hintsat her fan base again, which I
gotta say, I have been superfollowing across Twitter and
Instagram. And I don't think shehas a bigger fan base than most.
I think she has a more toxic fanbase than most. I think you
could kind of see on Eva's faceshe was kind of debating between
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the bottoms. And then, like,once Sigourney started going off
like that, then she was justlike, No bitch, it's you. It's
you. You're gone. Well, yeah,
Waylon Jordan (10:17):
you know, they literally told them, Go make
your case. Go make your makeyour case. That's what they told
them, Go to the back and makeyour case. And everybody did.
And then Sigourney had to be,well, try to be manipulative and
try to be like, you know, do youreally want it to go down this
way? I'm I'm doing this, andI've worked so hard. Like, Oh,
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and my favorite line. Do youwant real competition or not?
Yeah. And I mean, like,everybody just looking at her,
like, bitch. What do you evenmean right now?
Jonathan Correia (10:50):
And like, one of the big comments that keeps
popping up, it's like, well, Ihave no reason to watch anymore.
I have no reason to watchanymore. And it's like, what?
What do you mean? Like, like,Listen, I'm not going to be one
of those people that says that.
Sigourney does the same thingover and over and over again.
She has a pattern to her art,and it's a extremely polished
and great pattern. It really is.
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I just don't see her breakingout of that pattern often, and
that's the thing. Like, does shechange it and manipulate it and
like and go with the themes?
Absolutely. But I don't thinkshe's doing such big jumps as a
lot of these competitors havedone. The difference between Jay
Kay on her first season and thisshe was first eliminated her
season, and now she's in the topthree. That says something,
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because of the risks and the bigtakes that she's doing. Sigorney
is doing the same polishedpattern within different styles.
Every week, it's it's been safe.
She's been safe. She has onewin, which was a shared win, and
it's because it was, it was aglamor performance. So when it
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was like the thing that she'sgood at, she got it cool, but
she's been safe the entire time,and that's not good competition.
I'm a fan of the Shoah and I'mfans of the artists, but I'm not
more of a fan of the artists.
Like, all my favorites thatgoing into the season have been
eliminated. Did I whine and go,Oh, bye. No. I went, Oh, that
makes sense. That makes like, itsucks, but like, I can see why,
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and I don't know, people aredramatic, and again, they forget
about the Hellbound Showbound,like she totally had the
opportunity to be gone and thencome right back, essentially,
and she probably does, becauseshe beat black to skip ahead to
Episode Eight. She won the showbound help hell bound show down
against Blackberri. And I don'tknow how they're going to play
it out. I'm hoping in thereunion, they give all three a
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chance to go for it, because Iwould love, for since Cynthia or
Jarharia to knock her out andkeep her from being in the top
four, that would be fuckingepic.
Lindsey (12:50):
And all of this to say, like we're not saying that
Sigourney is not extremelytalented with her work. She's
extremely talented. Shedefinitely has the ability to
win this for sure. But I thinkthe problem with Sigourney is
that she always saw herself atthe top as winning when like
that wasn't a guarantee. And sowhenever she assumed that being
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kicked out by Eva was just thatwas the only way that she had
would possibly be able to bedisqualified, or, I guess I
shouldn't say disqualified,since people are being
disqualified, but, no, pulledout, yeah, like, basically lose
the show. That's only ways, if,if, if Eva had done that, that's
not true. She could havedefinitely been dropped at any
point throughout this entirecompetition, and probably could
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have done so even the nextepisode. So I think just her
having that perception that she,she is the winner, this is the
only way that they have a chanceof like, moving forward, and
it's not fair to her, becauseshe is the winner. That's, I
think that's just the inherentproblem that Sigourney brings to
the table.
Jonathan Correia (13:49):
Well, not only that, but like their pleas,
they're them making their caseson why they should stay was a
part of the judgment, and I'msorry her. Please. Sucked. That
sucked. Like, if, if you weregoing to, like, a judge about
your about a crime youcommitted, and you went up there
being like, do you want to, doyou want to be friends after
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this, or do you want an enemy? Ineed to get away with this,
because I'm a woman, like, what?
No, that's a horrible case.
You're not gonna, you're notgonna win over the jury with
that. Like, that was just like,a horrible way of convincing
someone. And you could see themoment where Eva goes, This
bitch is going, like, becauseshe was like, Stop, you got to
stop right now. Like, what areyou doing? And like, I think she
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almost tried to stop her at onepoint. And then that's when,
like, she super dug, dug herheels in. And then you could
just see Eva's face being like,my mind's made up. And Swan and
Drac even said that was the onetime that Eva didn't cry down in
an elimination she cries all thefucking time, and that was the
one time so, like, genuinely,like, you don't go to the person
that can throw you a life vestand try to, like, manipulate and
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gaslight them into it. It'scrazy.
Lindsey (14:58):
I just think she genuinely did't Think that she
had to argue any other way,because her assumption is that
she already did the best shecould. Everyone knows she's the
best she could. She doesn't haveto argue that.
Waylon Jordan (15:07):
Fact, yeah, everything that you're saying is
true, and I totally agree witheverything that you're saying.
It to me, it just, first of all,you know, so disingenuous.
Second of all, to put yourselfin a category. She says, you
know, everybody's always againstme and all this stuff like this.
But then she turns around andliterally says, Well, you know,
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basically I'm the only one. I'mthe only one like me, blah,
blah, blah, all this stuff likethis. But that's why everybody's
against me and I'm always aloneand blow up. I mean, make up
your mind, like, pick yourstruggle, because really
seriously, you need to decide,are you that powerful? Do you
have the fandom that will comeafter people and all of this
stuff like this? And apparentlyshe does. They can be toxic, but
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like, which are you?
Lindsey (15:52):
Yeah, I think talking about the fan base as well, they
brought that up a few times thisseason. It's the same level as
us. Calling it like this isn'tsurvivor like, like them, like
joining alliances and stufflike, have no impact on the the
end finale on, like, what'sgoing to happen here. Same thing
with the fan base. Like, fanbases have no play whatsoever in
how this goes. And so the theact of keeping, like, bringing
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that up as if it has to do withanything with this competition
is just kind of frustrating andfeels a little bit disingenuous
to us as fans of the show, likewe have no say at all in how
this ends up. And don't act asif like, who we like and what,
what we want to see happen hasany effect on this, which it
doesn't.
Jonathan Correia (16:32):
Oh no. People are going to be toxic on
Instagram and Twitter for a weekor two.
Lindsey (16:36):
Oh no. Toxic on Instagram and Twitter. Don't
say,
Jonathan Correia (16:41):
not not saying that that doesn't, that can't
take a mental toll on someone.
But like, at the end of the day,guys, it's a fucking reality
show
Lindsey (16:48):
that's already pre recorded, that's already
happened.
Jonathan Correia (16:51):
Yeah, it's, it's fine. Let's get into
Episode Eight super villains,because I really need to talk
about the vibes of the boudoirand even the cauldron,
ultimately, were immaculate andvery loopy in episode eight,
because when they're in the inthe boudoir getting ready, you
got Cynthia, who's just like onanother mental plane, talking
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about, I have the beholderbeauty standards, I have the
beholder beauty standards, andI'm coming for your beauty
Lindsey (17:18):
standards. And it's like, I'm gonna miss her.
Jonathan Correia (17:20):
Oh, and then, and then in the corner, you have
Aborha in her not Fortress ofSolitude. It was more in the
fortress of regression, justopening a Pee Wee Herman with
like the tape and shit, likejust losing it.
Waylon Jordan (17:41):
I personally enjoyed Jay Cay's crawl across
the floor like a cockroach. Thatwas kind of fun, you know, just
like it was just like that Well,and, and I don't know, maybe
it's just that they hadeliminated so many of the toxic
elements that, or at least, youknow, for the most part, that
they were able to just relax andhave time and, you know, had the
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space to just be goofy and havefun with one another. And that's
what it really felt like. I waslike, Who are these people?
Because I have not seen thesepeople that we're seeing right
here in the entire season.
Lindsey (18:14):
We haven't seen that level of Aborha in a while, and
I missed that level of Aborha.
Where the heck is this person?
Yeah, one
Waylon Jordan (18:22):
of my personal favorite moves was when she
climbed up onto the table andthen Eva, like blue powder in
her face.
Lindsey (18:31):
I just like the mannequin. She's black
Waylon Jordan (18:35):
Jaharia had nearly died on that
Jonathan Correia (18:37):
one the entire time. You just have like, Jay
Kay bug eyed just going, I'm notsure what the fuck is going on
in the corner. And it's, andit's great. And I think it also
helps, like, again, it's,there's less people. A lot of
the toxic element is gone. Andnot only that, it was a fun
theme. They were doing supervillains. They were going super
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camp with it. Even the intro wasvery like 1970s like Batman and
Wonder Woman with the spin andstuff. So, like, it was, it was
a fun time.
Waylon Jordan (19:06):
Oh, and I do live. I do live, a good drag
queen doing a Wonder Woman spin.
That's just one of my favoritethings. It always will be, of
course.
Jonathan Correia (19:16):
And not only that, but like, I think it also
carried into the the cauldron,because we saw Cynthia go after
Aborha, and then she reallytried going after Aborha in the
cauldron. And Jay Kay took themoment to go, Hey, listen, we
all know you're panicking rightnow, and that's okay to be
panicking, but you don't need togo after someone like that right
now. That's not you. You'reputting walls up. We're being
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vulnerable right now. I thoughtthat was really beautiful about
being constructive of just like,hey, hey, hey, we don't need to
do that to each other. We're thetop five guys. We're the top
five of this season. Like, weall went hard and we're all
scared of going home, like,let's be in this moment
together, rather than trying totear each other down. I wish
they had shown Cynthia turn toAborha And go, I'm You're right.
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I'm sorry, but, you know, we gotclose to it. I want to ask,
like, what do you think wasdifferent about Cynthia going
after Aborha and Sigourneyessentially going after
everyone?
Lindsey (20:12):
I think the biggest difference was how Cynthia
reacted to everyone calling herout for it. She knew when she
was in the wrong, and shestepped back a moment. She's
like, wait a minute, I gotcaught up in it, you know,
caught up in that juice thatwhatever happens in the cauldron
when you come after each other.
And she didn't fight back aboutit. The people were like, don't
do that. You don't want to dothat. And she was just like,
kind of sat back, and you sawher cross her face, and she was
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just like, maybe I don't want todo that. That's not how I want
to leave this game. That's notwho I am. And I think that's the
biggest difference fromSigourney. She kept pushing,
trying to knock everybody downin the process, from like,
that's just, you know, that'snot what they're there for. And
I think that's great. WhenCynthia sat back and they were
like, You know what? No, we'reall here together. We're This is
because calm down and, you know,everything's okay. We'll figure
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it out.
Jonathan Correia (20:56):
Do you think Cynthia just targeting one
person rather than saying, I'mbetter than everybody, also a
factor in that, because itallowed the others to kind of
go, Whoa, let me step in andprotect this person, rather than
the fuck you say about me?
Waylon Jordan (21:09):
Well, yeah, when you attack everybody, everybody
attacks back. When you attackone person, and you see people
being protective, that's anentirely different thing. And I
think that there's a differentreaction. There is a maturity
there to stepping back andgoing, Oh, damn, you're right,
you know that kind of thing. AndI don't think we were seeing
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that kind of maturity and thatself awareness with Sigourney at
all, when it came down to it,
Jonathan Correia (21:36):
I'm a fan of Sigourney beaver. I love
Sigourney Beaver's art. Ireally, really do. I am a fan of
hers. The attitude in thiscompetition, which, again, this
is just one small segment ofdrag, is this show. Nowhere else
is drag being presented likethis. This is purely for reality
TV. It's completely separatefrom like, what typical drag is.
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So you're literally puttingsomething that's been refined
and done for years and perfectedelsewhere into this kind of
microcosm, there's people thatcould be the most amazing drag
performers that will be horribleon the show because of how the
show is, and that's just how itworks. And so I think a big
thing about it is like, Irespect the shit out of her
hustle. I respect the shit outof her drive. That was not, it
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was not what was needed. Let's,let's face it, it was a
challenge. The challenge was whocould be the most vulnerable,
who can open up the most, whocan plead their case to Eva and
being driven, being like that,that's not helpful in that
moment, that's not beingvulnerable. And so I think
that's what happened, becauseCynthia rose to that challenge
in that moment, in the cauldron,and was vulnerable. Was stepping
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up. When someone called her outon it, she was like, Fuck,
you're right. I'm so fuckingscared, guys, I haven't had a
win all season. I've been eithersafer at the bottom a whole
bunch. I'm in the top five, but,like, I didn't
Waylon Jordan (22:52):
win this well.
And a part of her has to bewondering how she's there. I
mean, because she hasn't had awin and she had, you know,
which, again, goes into theutter feeling of panic that
she's probably having right now.
Like, yeah, that she was havingin that moment, once everybody
kind of calmed down again. Ireally enjoyed that they were
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all kind of okay to have amoment. I do love, you know. Jay
Kay, being a crybaby and like,Eva, sort of being like, that's
my people. And that was, youknow, that was really nice, you
know, and, and to have thoselittle moments. But also, in a
moment like that, the emotionsare so damn high, you know, I
worry about the people whoaren't crying at least a little
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bit. I mean, like, you're rightthere on the on the edge of the
finale. And yeah, that that wasa really good moment.
Jonathan Correia (23:44):
Now, of course, at the end of the
episode, we because we knew thatfour out of the five were up for
elimination, and ultimately weare left with Eva, Aborha and
Jay Kay in our top three, andthey said that they had to do
four fucking looks, which isinsane. In the past, it's only
been three, and then they'relike, oh, four horsemen of the
(24:05):
apocalypse. You have a month todo it. Oh, by the way, four is a
great number. Guess we'll findout at the reunion what that
means. Obviously, we as theaudience understand that it's a
Hellbound Showdown finaliststhat will probably be coming
back. We have three eligiblepeople in the Show down with the
Jaharia and
Lindsey (24:25):
Aria, Cynthia and Sigourney Beaver. How do
Jonathan Correia (24:28):
you guys predict them handling that?
Because I'm kind of hoping thatthey do it at the reunion and
have the three of them throwdown essentially, yeah, I don't
know if Sigourney can outperformthose two I think
Lindsey (24:42):
it'd be really cool if they inform everybody about the
Hellbound Showdown, and theneverybody can watch and see who
has that second chance. You knowwho's going to be there to fight
with them at the end. But do
Jonathan Correia (24:54):
you think that's going to happen at the
top of the reunion or at thebottom? Them, because they tend
to. They in the past, they'vehad, they've saved the judgment
of the final three for thereunion, and they announced it
at the end. Let everyone airthings out.
Lindsey (25:09):
I hope we get another competition. There's three of
them there. We walked away fromwatching last episode. We're
like, Oh no, Sigourney's at thetop. Of course, she's going to
be in that that final, fourthperson. We realized, oh, there's
two more people that she canfight against,
Waylon Jordan (25:22):
yeah, I think, well, and I think it's much
better television to hold it offtill the end too. I think that's
just the best way to go aboutit. I hope that that's how they
do it, because then, you know,three quarters of the, I mean,
you can hold on to that untilthree quarters of the way
through the the reunion and say,Oh, by the way, you know. And
didn't just toss it on them, youknow? I mean, there are so many
(25:43):
ways that you could do that. Andstarting it out with that, I
think it would be almostanticlimactic, a little bit for
what they've built through theseries so far with it.
Jonathan Correia (25:52):
Remember when Coco came back for the reunion,
and just like was serving madfucking Cunt all over the place,
it was just like spilling thetea on ever. God damn it.
Where's Coco? This season, Coconeeds to be in Titans three, I'm
telling you, or bring her backthe next fucking season. Just I
need more Coco canes, I'mJonesing. But I love the reunion
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episodes. I love how messy theyare. I love when everyone kind
of goes at each other. I alsolove when people make up,
because I think that's reallycute. I'm excited. Most of the
people that are going to be atthe reunion know about the
Hellbound Showdown, so at thatpoint, it'll just be a surprise
for the top three, and so Ithink it'll be interesting to
see, especially if they show upin their looks for the Hellbound
Showdown. Well, here's a
Waylon Jordan (26:35):
question, Does anybody think that all of these
drag queens, like all 14 ofthem, could get together and be
a part of a reunion show withoutanybody spoiling that that's
going on before the end, whenthey want to announce it to
everybody. I don't know.
Jonathan Correia (26:49):
A lot of people are hypothesizing. That's
what got Jade Jolie and Zavadisqualified,
Lindsey (26:55):
which, to that point, I wonder if those two will be in a
reunion episode. I mean, they'vebeen disqualified, but that only
means really that they can'twin. They have no chance of
winning. But does that mean theycan't come back and talk about
their time on the show? It'll beinteresting to find out.
Waylon Jordan (27:11):
Do you think that anybody will talk to Dollya when
she gets there, or is she justgonna sit over in the corner by
herself, like she did the lasttime she was on the show,
Jonathan Correia (27:19):
staring straight ahead,
Lindsey (27:23):
no eye contact,
Jonathan Correia (27:25):
yeah, yeah. I it'll be interesting. Who are
you most excited to see comeback for the reunion? I don't
just mean like, who's yourfavorite person and you want to
see them again. I mean, like,Who do you think is going to be
the most interesting at thereunion? Because honestly, I'm
kind of excited for Dollya tocome back, because she's such a
fucking shit stirrer, and I wantto see what she's gonna do
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honestly, and how the others aregonna react to it, because we
just had two very positiveepisodes, like all the toxicity
coming back at once, baby,
Waylon Jordan (28:00):
I kind of do hope that they let Zava and Jade come
back, because I really want tosee what Zava is like when she
comes back from this. I justreally kind of want to see what
she has to say, and especiallyto somebody like Jay Kay, after
everything that went on, youknow, I just kind of want to see
them in the same room togetherone more time before, like, this
(28:23):
is all over with
Lindsey (28:24):
who else for the shitsters this season, we're
gonna get Priscilla back, whichis cool. She's not a shitster,
but, like, I think that they'llbe fun to have back. And then
also Disasterina. I'm just
Jonathan Correia (28:33):
hoping that Disasterina is out of her funk,
because she was definitely in abit of a funk towards the end of
her run this season, and I hopethat now that there's no
competition happening, and she'sjust there to show up and, like,
be herself, that she could beher. She's such a big and fun
personality. So I really hopethat she's able to showcase that
again. I'm really hoping for aCoco caine type of like, you're
(28:56):
being red, you're being red.
Here's the T on you. Fuck you.
Fuck you. Fuck you. You're cool.
Fuck you.
Waylon Jordan (29:02):
Moment, the library is open,
Lindsey (29:07):
guys, that's our day. I love Coco cane podcast. Well,
next time we see everybody willknow who the winner of Dragula
is. So do we have any guesseshere at this point on who's
gonna take it on.
Waylon Jordan (29:20):
I still honestly think at this point it's Eva. I
really think that that's howit's going to play out, not just
because she's performing well.
They're all performing well atthis point. I think that's just
how the die has been cast forthis particular season. If I
were to rank them right now anddo my own it would be Eva, Jay
Kay, Aborha, I mean, that's justfrom what I've seen and how I
(29:45):
feel about what's gone down.
Jonathan Correia (29:48):
If we're basing it on track record, I
think it's, I think it's Eva's,it's Eva's to lose at this
point. But if we're going cleanslate and just like, what can
happen there, I think it. It beJay Kays. I think Jay Kay could
really pull this one out. Ithink, yeah, I'm rude for that's
not to say I don't think Aborhacan't surprise us, because
(30:10):
that's all she's fucking donethis season is turn the three of
us from Oh, this bitch to yeah,this bitch go like she's it's
been incredible. I think allthree have grown so much and
have pulled so many tricks outof hats and being given a month
(30:31):
to come up with these fourlooks, I think, I think they all
have what it takes to take it,to be honest. But I'm with JK on
this one.
Lindsey (30:39):
I agree. I think Eva definitely will take it home,
which is, you know, good forher. I think Jay Kay, could very
well have a chance of doing so,which is awesome. I love that,
like rags to riches story. Butthen, I mean, if Aborha won, I
think I would be probably themost excited of the three Who
knew I'd be saying that at thispoint. But I mean, if she pulled
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it off the number of times we'veseen her the last few seasons,
and like, you know, the way thatshe's has become a better
performer, just a moreinteresting individual. Like, I
just think all of that togetherwould be so cool to actually see
her pull it off.
Jonathan Correia (31:12):
I'm rooting for all of them, dude. Like, I'm
so excited about this. Thefeeling amongst them is that,
like, I got to the top three,like, I'm gonna go for it. But
like, no matter what, I'll be atop three of Titans. And, like,
they're excited about that, andthat's I love that. This just
popped
Waylon Jordan (31:30):
into my head while we were discussing the
finale and everything. Do youthink we'll actually get, like,
some kind of ceremony for thewinner this time, rather than
just going down the hallway andsuddenly sing. They have to,
know, I
Lindsey (31:43):
think they learn their lesson.
Jonathan Correia (31:47):
They have to.
They have to because, I mean,
Lindsey (31:49):
they'll find where they live and beat their asses. Yeah.
Jonathan Correia (31:53):
I mean, you saw how much effort they put
into the musical based off ofthe fans bitching. So they have
to do something with the finaleto in the crowning that isn't
just a photo, like they I thinkthey're gonna fake us out,
Lindsey (32:11):
but I hope they do.
Jonathan Correia (32:13):
I hope they fucking do fun. Oh god, I was so
pissed when they fucking didso piss. And then they never
released the footage of thecrowning. They were like, oh,
it's gonna happen at this liveevent. And it's like, at the
very least, do a decentrecording of it and, like, tack
it on to the episode. Like, whatfucking dropout does with some
of their shit. It's like, oh, wewanted to do it live with, like,
(32:34):
an audience and stuff. It'slike, that's understandable. Put
a thing that says, tune in onthis date to see the, like,
actual crowning, like, cool, orjust shoot it live. I don't
know, fuck you,
Lindsey (32:47):
throwing us back into the rage I felt when that
happened.
Jonathan Correia (32:50):
We were ending this podcast, and we were ending
on such a positive Note, andthen Waylon has to go and stir
up some shit. Are you the Dollyablack of this fucking podcast?
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Jonathan Correia (33:48):
And once again, please plug that brand
new book for us.
Waylon Jordan (33:53):
My new collection is out. It's called These Sins
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Jonathan Correia (34:01):
And of course, you can find us on the socials
@eyeonhorror on Instagram andihoror.com so we'll see
everybody in about two weeksafter the finale. Until then,
I'm Jonathan Correia,
Lindsey (34:14):
I'm Lindsey
Waylon Jordan (34:15):
and I'm Waylon.
Jonathan Correia (34:16):
And keep on talking Titans.
Lindsey (34:19):
Keep on Talking Titans.
We're going to keep on talkingTitans.
Jonathan Correia (34:26):
Yeah, Aborha was Superman, and that shit
pissed me the fuck off.
Minisode! Welcome to Eye on Horror's
Talking Titans, the minisodes,where we talk about the Boulet
Brothers' Dragula Titans, seasontwo. This week, we are talking
episodes seven and eight. Butbefore we get into those, let me
introduce my co hosts Here. Ihave with us, author, writer,
all around Great guy, WaylonJordan. Waylon, how are you
(00:28):
today?
Waylon Jordan (00:30):
I'm guys. How are you?
Lindsey (00:33):
Doing Great!
Jonathan Correia (00:34):
Killing it.
Also with us is the awesome,fantastic and my roommate,
Lindsey Gant, Lindsey!
Lindsey (00:42):
That's me. I wonder if people actually think we're
roommates at this point. You'vesaid it twice now.
Jonathan Correia (00:49):
I mean, it's true.
Lindsey (00:51):
It's true. We share the rent.
Jonathan Correia (00:53):
Hey, someone's gotta pay the other half.
Anywho, a lot has happened thesetwo these two weeks, these two
episodes, let's get right intoit with our recaps. So episode
seven, we had Darren Stein andPeaches Christ as guest judges
for the Boulet Brothers HorrorPicture Show. That's right, they
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brought back the live musical,which everyone hated when it
happened. For some reason, Iloved the camp of it, but we'll
get into that a bit later. Andwith the musical, it was Rocky
Horror theme, but they did theirown original song about
vampires. The Challenge winnerwas, of course, Eva Destruction.
And with that, was given thespecial power to evaporate the
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fellow contestant, eliminatingSigourney Beaver. We'll super
get into that in just a littlebit. The Hellbound Showbound
was, of course, BlackBerri, whokilled it. Let's get into
Episode Eight, which was thetheme Super Villains. We had
guest judges Steve Orlando andTodd McFarlane. The floor show
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was to conceptualize andshowcase a look embodying a
comic book super villain with asignature power. The winner was
back to back. Winner, EvaDestruction. The bottom four
this time was Abhora, CynthiaDoll, Jaharia and Jay Kay,
that's right, any everyone wasup for elimination, and so we
had to go up to the gallows at atime, one disappearing each
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time, the eliminated wereCynthia Doll and Jaharia, giving
us our final three of Jay KayEborha and Eva Destruction three
of the Final Four. We'll findout in next week's reunion. The
Hellbound Showbound winner wasSigourney Beaver, beating out
Blackberri and what I call itabsolute travesty. So already
(02:41):
got a little spicy in my recap.
So let's get into it. Guysepisode seven, the Rocky Horror
Picture. Show, musical theme,live. Musical Redux. What you
guys think?
Lindsey (02:56):
Can I just like, start off by saying, though, just very
like, first of all, they came upwith this whole idea of this
hellbound showdown thing, noneof us can actually pronounce it
the way that you've saidhellbound showbound like three
times in that introduction, likeit's just been kind of chaotic
anytime we try to bring this uphellbound showdown, you said
hellbound showbound Twice.
Jonathan Correia (03:18):
What do you guys think? Because I know that
a lot of fans, and they talkedabout it in the episode, really
hated when they tried doing alive musical in a previous
season, which, yes, everyonesinging live was not great, but
I thought that was what was fun.
Of the challenge when they didit previously. This time,
everyone is saying they did sucha great job with it, and it like
felt fully produced. I justthink that they learned to pre
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record the singing, whichabsolutely helps with it.
Lindsey (03:47):
I think with my drag queens, I don't really expect
them to have a good singingvoice, but want them to be able
to sing along with the musicquite well and so and they just
made sense. It's cool that theywere able to sing it and they
recorded it and they sang alongby lip syncing. And that's kind
of what more I expect with them?
Waylon Jordan (04:01):
Well, yeah, I mean, lip syncing has been a
part of drag for decades now andand, I mean, it just goes along
with it, of course. You know,they did go to the step they
they recorded their own tracksto lip sync too, and that was
great. Some of them do havereally great voices. Some of
them are great performers, youknow. I mean, it's just, it's
one of those things where that'swhat you run into with any kind
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of musical number. I mean, I'mgoing to pull my best Eva here
as a theater kid and someonewho's done music my whole life,
you know,
Jonathan Correia (04:33):
would you say your best? Eva, I thought you
were going to start crying.
Waylon Jordan (04:36):
No, I'm not going to start crying yet. Yes, but
now I was, I was reallysurprised at how well it came
together. They were talkingabout Swan Zula, like, did all
of the choreography and stufflike that. That was another
thing that was really good, youknow, the direction, the
choreography, everything cametogether. They didn't just kind
of, like, turn them loose outthere on the stage, kind of like
(04:58):
they did the last time. And itwas much. More put together
production this go around.
Jonathan Correia (05:02):
Yeah, and I think having a more of a more of
a theme to kind of base it off.
Because I think the previousone, it was kind of trying to do
a little bit of a West SideStory thing. This time, it was
Rocky Horror. I thought wasinteresting, especially since it
didn't sound like it in thecritiques. But I was blown away
by the performers that wereplaying the humans, like Cynthia
Doll as the boy and SigourneyBeaver as the girl, were giving
(05:25):
like, the smaller roles. Butlike, they kept capturing my
attention the entire time,whereas, like, the vampire group
was very like, obviously big andout there and all that stuff, it
almost seemed like they weregiven the easier task. And so I
was, I was so surprised whenthey were like, Cynthia Doll.
You didn't bring much presents.
I was like, What? No, especiallywhen she started, like, twerking
(05:46):
on top of Jay Kay, it was great.
I loved it.
Lindsey (05:49):
I think Cynthia was doing great for the role that
she was cast as. I love seeingthe gender bending with Cynthia
too, because Cynthia's has beenso traditionally FEM and but
seeing a lot more of the maskside as well come out. I just
thought that was really cool.
Waylon Jordan (06:02):
And, you know, I think it was Peaches that
pointed out. You know, of allthe things in the production
that they did, those two are thetwo hardest roles to sell.
Because, I mean, you're not abig character. You're not like a
big, flashy character the waythat drag queens are meant to
be. You're You're very like,more sedate and everything, or
at least Cynthia was, I washaving a lot of fun with it. I
(06:24):
love the production. I love howeverybody just kind of jumped
into it. And really, actually,for the first time, maybe at all
this season, they all seem toreally be having a good time,
you know, and really be enjoyingwhat they were doing out on the
stage. That was, that was a lotof fun.
Jonathan Correia (06:41):
Well, the performance was fun, and they
were having fun there, but onceEva was crowned the winner of
the challenge, we learned thatthe boules were going to give
her the honor of eliminatingsomebody, which led to what I
thought was a pretty don't wantto say iconic. I almost want to
say, like, toxic cauldron inlike, a way that hasn't happened
(07:03):
yet this season, it's beentoxic. Don't get me wrong, but
in other ways, before we getinto who she eliminated and why,
but like, what do you guys thinkof that? Because there's been a
lot of opinions of people sayingit wasn't fair giving somebody
given one of the cast membersthe ability to eliminate I
disagree. I think it's, youknow, it's it's something to mix
it up. It's something to shapeup the game. And also, I
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understand that, like the castmight not know about the
hellbound showbound, but we asan audience do, and so there's
definitely a chance if you getrid of a strong competitor,
they're just going to come rightback in the finale with the
Hellbound Showdown. I said itright that time. So what do you
guys say?
Lindsey (07:40):
You have, like, a really good point about that. I
also think it's an element ofthe Boulets giving up a bit of
control. I think we've seen abit of that more this season as
well. And this is just one moreof those elements where maybe
they have more control for sureon who stays and whose goes, but
being able to give that controlaway to somebody else, at least
for a moment, is, you know, agreat change of pace for what
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we've been seeing. But thenagain, I mean, I don't want to
get too far into End of EpisodeEight, but we do see what
happens when Sigourney getsbooted. Oh, I don't know if I
was shifted that yet, but we dosee what happens with that. And
goulets have a choice again onwhether or not to keep her. So
while it's a bit of giving upthe reins, maybe they didn't
actually fully give the reins,but at least have that facade of
(08:23):
doing so, which led to good TV.
So I think it was a gooddecision to do it's
Waylon Jordan (08:28):
an extension of what they're already doing. You
know, everybody's acting likethis really came out of the blue
and stuff like that. But at thesame time, I mean, they give
them the protection, you know,spells, they give them shield
spells and stuff like that,yeah, you're really just an
extension of that. It's notsomething that went like totally
out of left field. Okay, you wonthis one. You're at the top
(08:49):
right now. Here you go. Whatkind of decision will you make?
And I think that was part of thetest too, and part of what was
going on. What kind of decisionwill you make? Yeah, I gotta say
I was proud of her, because Ididn't think she had a dinner
there for a few minutes, andthen I was like, Okay, well,
she's here to play.
Jonathan Correia (09:05):
Well, let's talk about it then, because when
they go back to the cauldron,everyone kind of makes their
case to Eva on why theyshouldn't be eliminated, right?
And you could see that Eva waskind of like tossing it because
she's been, she hasn't beenplaying the game like that. She
hasn't been trying to, like,take people out, or anything
like that. And when it, youknow, power is given to her, she
(09:25):
does seem to kind of be overlylike, all right, what, what let
me go through, like, the scoresheets, you know, you can kind
of see that going and you cansee her, like, taking in what
everyone's saying, andeveryone's kind of pleading a
case of, just like, you know,I've done this to improve on
myself. I've done this, youknow, I'm really proud of where
I am, and I feel like this isn'tthe end for me. And then
Sigourney comes in, and almostimmediately it's just like, do
(09:49):
you want to be friends afterthis, or do you want to make
enemies? And she kind of hintsat her fan base again, which I
gotta say, I have been superfollowing across Twitter and
Instagram. And I don't think shehas a bigger fan base than most.
I think she has a more toxic fanbase than most. I think you
could kind of see on Eva's faceshe was kind of debating between
(10:09):
the bottoms. And then, like,once Sigourney started going off
like that, then she was justlike, No bitch, it's you. It's
you. You're gone. Well, yeah,
Waylon Jordan (10:17):
you know, they literally told them, Go make
your case. Go make your makeyour case. That's what they told
them, Go to the back and makeyour case. And everybody did.
And then Sigourney had to be,well, try to be manipulative and
try to be like, you know, do youreally want it to go down this
way? I'm I'm doing this, andI've worked so hard. Like, Oh,
(10:39):
and my favorite line. Do youwant real competition or not?
Yeah. And I mean, like,everybody just looking at her,
like, bitch. What do you evenmean right now?
Jonathan Correia (10:50):
And like, one of the big comments that keeps
popping up, it's like, well, Ihave no reason to watch anymore.
I have no reason to watchanymore. And it's like, what?
What do you mean? Like, like,Listen, I'm not going to be one
of those people that says that.
Sigourney does the same thingover and over and over again.
She has a pattern to her art,and it's a extremely polished
and great pattern. It really is.
(11:11):
I just don't see her breakingout of that pattern often, and
that's the thing. Like, does shechange it and manipulate it and
like and go with the themes?
Absolutely. But I don't thinkshe's doing such big jumps as a
lot of these competitors havedone. The difference between Jay
Kay on her first season and thisshe was first eliminated her
season, and now she's in the topthree. That says something,
(11:32):
because of the risks and the bigtakes that she's doing. Sigorney
is doing the same polishedpattern within different styles.
Every week, it's it's been safe.
She's been safe. She has onewin, which was a shared win, and
it's because it was, it was aglamor performance. So when it
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was like the thing that she'sgood at, she got it cool, but
she's been safe the entire time,and that's not good competition.
I'm a fan of the Shoah and I'mfans of the artists, but I'm not
more of a fan of the artists.
Like, all my favorites thatgoing into the season have been
eliminated. Did I whine and go,Oh, bye. No. I went, Oh, that
makes sense. That makes like, itsucks, but like, I can see why,
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and I don't know, people aredramatic, and again, they forget
about the Hellbound Showbound,like she totally had the
opportunity to be gone and thencome right back, essentially,
and she probably does, becauseshe beat black to skip ahead to
Episode Eight. She won the showbound help hell bound show down
against Blackberri. And I don'tknow how they're going to play
it out. I'm hoping in thereunion, they give all three a
(12:35):
chance to go for it, because Iwould love, for since Cynthia or
Jarharia to knock her out andkeep her from being in the top
four, that would be fuckingepic.
Lindsey (12:50):
And all of this to say, like we're not saying that
Sigourney is not extremelytalented with her work. She's
extremely talented. Shedefinitely has the ability to
win this for sure. But I thinkthe problem with Sigourney is
that she always saw herself atthe top as winning when like
that wasn't a guarantee. And sowhenever she assumed that being
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kicked out by Eva was just thatwas the only way that she had
would possibly be able to bedisqualified, or, I guess I
shouldn't say disqualified,since people are being
disqualified, but, no, pulledout, yeah, like, basically lose
the show. That's only ways, if,if, if Eva had done that, that's
not true. She could havedefinitely been dropped at any
point throughout this entirecompetition, and probably could
(13:32):
have done so even the nextepisode. So I think just her
having that perception that she,she is the winner, this is the
only way that they have a chanceof like, moving forward, and
it's not fair to her, becauseshe is the winner. That's, I
think that's just the inherentproblem that Sigourney brings to
the table.
Jonathan Correia (13:49):
Well, not only that, but like their pleas,
they're them making their caseson why they should stay was a
part of the judgment, and I'msorry her. Please. Sucked. That
sucked. Like, if, if you weregoing to, like, a judge about
your about a crime youcommitted, and you went up there
being like, do you want to, doyou want to be friends after
(14:09):
this, or do you want an enemy? Ineed to get away with this,
because I'm a woman, like, what?
No, that's a horrible case.
You're not gonna, you're notgonna win over the jury with
that. Like, that was just like,a horrible way of convincing
someone. And you could see themoment where Eva goes, This
bitch is going, like, becauseshe was like, Stop, you got to
stop right now. Like, what areyou doing? And like, I think she
(14:30):
almost tried to stop her at onepoint. And then that's when,
like, she super dug, dug herheels in. And then you could
just see Eva's face being like,my mind's made up. And Swan and
Drac even said that was the onetime that Eva didn't cry down in
an elimination she cries all thefucking time, and that was the
one time so, like, genuinely,like, you don't go to the person
that can throw you a life vestand try to, like, manipulate and
(14:55):
gaslight them into it. It'scrazy.
Lindsey (14:58):
I just think she genuinely did't Think that she
had to argue any other way,because her assumption is that
she already did the best shecould. Everyone knows she's the
best she could. She doesn't haveto argue that.
Waylon Jordan (15:07):
Fact, yeah, everything that you're saying is
true, and I totally agree witheverything that you're saying.
It to me, it just, first of all,you know, so disingenuous.
Second of all, to put yourselfin a category. She says, you
know, everybody's always againstme and all this stuff like this.
But then she turns around andliterally says, Well, you know,
(15:29):
basically I'm the only one. I'mthe only one like me, blah,
blah, blah, all this stuff likethis. But that's why everybody's
against me and I'm always aloneand blow up. I mean, make up
your mind, like, pick yourstruggle, because really
seriously, you need to decide,are you that powerful? Do you
have the fandom that will comeafter people and all of this
stuff like this? And apparentlyshe does. They can be toxic, but
(15:51):
like, which are you?
Lindsey (15:52):
Yeah, I think talking about the fan base as well, they
brought that up a few times thisseason. It's the same level as
us. Calling it like this isn'tsurvivor like, like them, like
joining alliances and stufflike, have no impact on the the
end finale on, like, what'sgoing to happen here. Same thing
with the fan base. Like, fanbases have no play whatsoever in
how this goes. And so the theact of keeping, like, bringing
(16:15):
that up as if it has to do withanything with this competition
is just kind of frustrating andfeels a little bit disingenuous
to us as fans of the show, likewe have no say at all in how
this ends up. And don't act asif like, who we like and what,
what we want to see happen hasany effect on this, which it
doesn't.
Jonathan Correia (16:32):
Oh no. People are going to be toxic on
Instagram and Twitter for a weekor two.
Lindsey (16:36):
Oh no. Toxic on Instagram and Twitter. Don't
say,
Jonathan Correia (16:41):
not not saying that that doesn't, that can't
take a mental toll on someone.
But like, at the end of the day,guys, it's a fucking reality
show
Lindsey (16:48):
that's already pre recorded, that's already
happened.
Jonathan Correia (16:51):
Yeah, it's, it's fine. Let's get into
Episode Eight super villains,because I really need to talk
about the vibes of the boudoirand even the cauldron,
ultimately, were immaculate andvery loopy in episode eight,
because when they're in the inthe boudoir getting ready, you
got Cynthia, who's just like onanother mental plane, talking
(17:14):
about, I have the beholderbeauty standards, I have the
beholder beauty standards, andI'm coming for your beauty
Lindsey (17:18):
standards. And it's like, I'm gonna miss her.
Jonathan Correia (17:20):
Oh, and then, and then in the corner, you have
Aborha in her not Fortress ofSolitude. It was more in the
fortress of regression, justopening a Pee Wee Herman with
like the tape and shit, likejust losing it.
Waylon Jordan (17:41):
I personally enjoyed Jay Cay's crawl across
the floor like a cockroach. Thatwas kind of fun, you know, just
like it was just like that Well,and, and I don't know, maybe
it's just that they hadeliminated so many of the toxic
elements that, or at least, youknow, for the most part, that
they were able to just relax andhave time and, you know, had the
(18:03):
space to just be goofy and havefun with one another. And that's
what it really felt like. I waslike, Who are these people?
Because I have not seen thesepeople that we're seeing right
here in the entire season.
Lindsey (18:14):
We haven't seen that level of Aborha in a while, and
I missed that level of Aborha.
Where the heck is this person?
Yeah, one
Waylon Jordan (18:22):
of my personal favorite moves was when she
climbed up onto the table andthen Eva, like blue powder in
her face.
Lindsey (18:31):
I just like the mannequin. She's black
Waylon Jordan (18:35):
Jaharia had nearly died on that
Jonathan Correia (18:37):
one the entire time. You just have like, Jay
Kay bug eyed just going, I'm notsure what the fuck is going on
in the corner. And it's, andit's great. And I think it also
helps, like, again, it's,there's less people. A lot of
the toxic element is gone. Andnot only that, it was a fun
theme. They were doing supervillains. They were going super
(18:57):
camp with it. Even the intro wasvery like 1970s like Batman and
Wonder Woman with the spin andstuff. So, like, it was, it was
a fun time.
Waylon Jordan (19:06):
Oh, and I do live. I do live, a good drag
queen doing a Wonder Woman spin.
That's just one of my favoritethings. It always will be, of
course.
Jonathan Correia (19:16):
And not only that, but like, I think it also
carried into the the cauldron,because we saw Cynthia go after
Aborha, and then she reallytried going after Aborha in the
cauldron. And Jay Kay took themoment to go, Hey, listen, we
all know you're panicking rightnow, and that's okay to be
panicking, but you don't need togo after someone like that right
now. That's not you. You'reputting walls up. We're being
(19:39):
vulnerable right now. I thoughtthat was really beautiful about
being constructive of just like,hey, hey, hey, we don't need to
do that to each other. We're thetop five guys. We're the top
five of this season. Like, weall went hard and we're all
scared of going home, like,let's be in this moment
together, rather than trying totear each other down. I wish
they had shown Cynthia turn toAborha And go, I'm You're right.
(20:00):
I'm sorry, but, you know, we gotclose to it. I want to ask,
like, what do you think wasdifferent about Cynthia going
after Aborha and Sigourneyessentially going after
everyone?
Lindsey (20:12):
I think the biggest difference was how Cynthia
reacted to everyone calling herout for it. She knew when she
was in the wrong, and shestepped back a moment. She's
like, wait a minute, I gotcaught up in it, you know,
caught up in that juice thatwhatever happens in the cauldron
when you come after each other.
And she didn't fight back aboutit. The people were like, don't
do that. You don't want to dothat. And she was just like,
kind of sat back, and you sawher cross her face, and she was
(20:35):
just like, maybe I don't want todo that. That's not how I want
to leave this game. That's notwho I am. And I think that's the
biggest difference fromSigourney. She kept pushing,
trying to knock everybody downin the process, from like,
that's just, you know, that'snot what they're there for. And
I think that's great. WhenCynthia sat back and they were
like, You know what? No, we'reall here together. We're This is
because calm down and, you know,everything's okay. We'll figure
(20:55):
it out.
Jonathan Correia (20:56):
Do you think Cynthia just targeting one
person rather than saying, I'mbetter than everybody, also a
factor in that, because itallowed the others to kind of
go, Whoa, let me step in andprotect this person, rather than
the fuck you say about me?
Waylon Jordan (21:09):
Well, yeah, when you attack everybody, everybody
attacks back. When you attackone person, and you see people
being protective, that's anentirely different thing. And I
think that there's a differentreaction. There is a maturity
there to stepping back andgoing, Oh, damn, you're right,
you know that kind of thing. AndI don't think we were seeing
(21:30):
that kind of maturity and thatself awareness with Sigourney at
all, when it came down to it,
Jonathan Correia (21:36):
I'm a fan of Sigourney beaver. I love
Sigourney Beaver's art. Ireally, really do. I am a fan of
hers. The attitude in thiscompetition, which, again, this
is just one small segment ofdrag, is this show. Nowhere else
is drag being presented likethis. This is purely for reality
TV. It's completely separatefrom like, what typical drag is.
(21:58):
So you're literally puttingsomething that's been refined
and done for years and perfectedelsewhere into this kind of
microcosm, there's people thatcould be the most amazing drag
performers that will be horribleon the show because of how the
show is, and that's just how itworks. And so I think a big
thing about it is like, Irespect the shit out of her
hustle. I respect the shit outof her drive. That was not, it
(22:21):
was not what was needed. Let's,let's face it, it was a
challenge. The challenge was whocould be the most vulnerable,
who can open up the most, whocan plead their case to Eva and
being driven, being like that,that's not helpful in that
moment, that's not beingvulnerable. And so I think
that's what happened, becauseCynthia rose to that challenge
in that moment, in the cauldron,and was vulnerable. Was stepping
(22:42):
up. When someone called her outon it, she was like, Fuck,
you're right. I'm so fuckingscared, guys, I haven't had a
win all season. I've been eithersafer at the bottom a whole
bunch. I'm in the top five, but,like, I didn't
Waylon Jordan (22:52):
win this well.
And a part of her has to bewondering how she's there. I
mean, because she hasn't had awin and she had, you know,
which, again, goes into theutter feeling of panic that
she's probably having right now.
Like, yeah, that she was havingin that moment, once everybody
kind of calmed down again. Ireally enjoyed that they were
(23:13):
all kind of okay to have amoment. I do love, you know. Jay
Kay, being a crybaby and like,Eva, sort of being like, that's
my people. And that was, youknow, that was really nice, you
know, and, and to have thoselittle moments. But also, in a
moment like that, the emotionsare so damn high, you know, I
worry about the people whoaren't crying at least a little
(23:35):
bit. I mean, like, you're rightthere on the on the edge of the
finale. And yeah, that that wasa really good moment.
Jonathan Correia (23:44):
Now, of course, at the end of the
episode, we because we knew thatfour out of the five were up for
elimination, and ultimately weare left with Eva, Aborha and
Jay Kay in our top three, andthey said that they had to do
four fucking looks, which isinsane. In the past, it's only
been three, and then they'relike, oh, four horsemen of the
(24:05):
apocalypse. You have a month todo it. Oh, by the way, four is a
great number. Guess we'll findout at the reunion what that
means. Obviously, we as theaudience understand that it's a
Hellbound Showdown finaliststhat will probably be coming
back. We have three eligiblepeople in the Show down with the
Jaharia and
Lindsey (24:25):
Aria, Cynthia and Sigourney Beaver. How do
Jonathan Correia (24:28):
you guys predict them handling that?
Because I'm kind of hoping thatthey do it at the reunion and
have the three of them throwdown essentially, yeah, I don't
know if Sigourney can outperformthose two I think
Lindsey (24:42):
it'd be really cool if they inform everybody about the
Hellbound Showdown, and theneverybody can watch and see who
has that second chance. You knowwho's going to be there to fight
with them at the end. But do
Jonathan Correia (24:54):
you think that's going to happen at the
top of the reunion or at thebottom? Them, because they tend
to. They in the past, they'vehad, they've saved the judgment
of the final three for thereunion, and they announced it
at the end. Let everyone airthings out.
Lindsey (25:09):
I hope we get another competition. There's three of
them there. We walked away fromwatching last episode. We're
like, Oh no, Sigourney's at thetop. Of course, she's going to
be in that that final, fourthperson. We realized, oh, there's
two more people that she canfight against,
Waylon Jordan (25:22):
yeah, I think, well, and I think it's much
better television to hold it offtill the end too. I think that's
just the best way to go aboutit. I hope that that's how they
do it, because then, you know,three quarters of the, I mean,
you can hold on to that untilthree quarters of the way
through the the reunion and say,Oh, by the way, you know. And
didn't just toss it on them, youknow? I mean, there are so many
(25:43):
ways that you could do that. Andstarting it out with that, I
think it would be almostanticlimactic, a little bit for
what they've built through theseries so far with it.
Jonathan Correia (25:52):
Remember when Coco came back for the reunion,
and just like was serving madfucking Cunt all over the place,
it was just like spilling thetea on ever. God damn it.
Where's Coco? This season, Coconeeds to be in Titans three, I'm
telling you, or bring her backthe next fucking season. Just I
need more Coco canes, I'mJonesing. But I love the reunion
(26:13):
episodes. I love how messy theyare. I love when everyone kind
of goes at each other. I alsolove when people make up,
because I think that's reallycute. I'm excited. Most of the
people that are going to be atthe reunion know about the
Hellbound Showdown, so at thatpoint, it'll just be a surprise
for the top three, and so Ithink it'll be interesting to
see, especially if they show upin their looks for the Hellbound
Showdown. Well, here's a
Waylon Jordan (26:35):
question, Does anybody think that all of these
drag queens, like all 14 ofthem, could get together and be
a part of a reunion show withoutanybody spoiling that that's
going on before the end, whenthey want to announce it to
everybody. I don't know.
Jonathan Correia (26:49):
A lot of people are hypothesizing. That's
what got Jade Jolie and Zavadisqualified,
Lindsey (26:55):
which, to that point, I wonder if those two will be in a
reunion episode. I mean, they'vebeen disqualified, but that only
means really that they can'twin. They have no chance of
winning. But does that mean theycan't come back and talk about
their time on the show? It'll beinteresting to find out.
Waylon Jordan (27:11):
Do you think that anybody will talk to Dollya when
she gets there, or is she justgonna sit over in the corner by
herself, like she did the lasttime she was on the show,
Jonathan Correia (27:19):
staring straight ahead,
Lindsey (27:23):
no eye contact,
Jonathan Correia (27:25):
yeah, yeah. I it'll be interesting. Who are
you most excited to see comeback for the reunion? I don't
just mean like, who's yourfavorite person and you want to
see them again. I mean, like,Who do you think is going to be
the most interesting at thereunion? Because honestly, I'm
kind of excited for Dollya tocome back, because she's such a
fucking shit stirrer, and I wantto see what she's gonna do
(27:48):
honestly, and how the others aregonna react to it, because we
just had two very positiveepisodes, like all the toxicity
coming back at once, baby,
Waylon Jordan (28:00):
I kind of do hope that they let Zava and Jade come
back, because I really want tosee what Zava is like when she
comes back from this. I justreally kind of want to see what
she has to say, and especiallyto somebody like Jay Kay, after
everything that went on, youknow, I just kind of want to see
them in the same room togetherone more time before, like, this
(28:23):
is all over with
Lindsey (28:24):
who else for the shitsters this season, we're
gonna get Priscilla back, whichis cool. She's not a shitster,
but, like, I think that they'llbe fun to have back. And then
also Disasterina. I'm just
Jonathan Correia (28:33):
hoping that Disasterina is out of her funk,
because she was definitely in abit of a funk towards the end of
her run this season, and I hopethat now that there's no
competition happening, and she'sjust there to show up and, like,
be herself, that she could beher. She's such a big and fun
personality. So I really hopethat she's able to showcase that
again. I'm really hoping for aCoco caine type of like, you're
(28:56):
being red, you're being red.
Here's the T on you. Fuck you.
Fuck you. Fuck you. You're cool.
Fuck you.
Waylon Jordan (29:02):
Moment, the library is open,
Lindsey (29:07):
guys, that's our day. I love Coco cane podcast. Well,
next time we see everybody willknow who the winner of Dragula
is. So do we have any guesseshere at this point on who's
gonna take it on.
Waylon Jordan (29:20):
I still honestly think at this point it's Eva. I
really think that that's howit's going to play out, not just
because she's performing well.
They're all performing well atthis point. I think that's just
how the die has been cast forthis particular season. If I
were to rank them right now anddo my own it would be Eva, Jay
Kay, Aborha, I mean, that's justfrom what I've seen and how I
(29:45):
feel about what's gone down.
Jonathan Correia (29:48):
If we're basing it on track record, I
think it's, I think it's Eva's,it's Eva's to lose at this
point. But if we're going cleanslate and just like, what can
happen there, I think it. It beJay Kays. I think Jay Kay could
really pull this one out. Ithink, yeah, I'm rude for that's
not to say I don't think Aborhacan't surprise us, because
(30:10):
that's all she's fucking donethis season is turn the three of
us from Oh, this bitch to yeah,this bitch go like she's it's
been incredible. I think allthree have grown so much and
have pulled so many tricks outof hats and being given a month
(30:31):
to come up with these fourlooks, I think, I think they all
have what it takes to take it,to be honest. But I'm with JK on
this one.
Lindsey (30:39):
I agree. I think Eva definitely will take it home,
which is, you know, good forher. I think Jay Kay, could very
well have a chance of doing so,which is awesome. I love that,
like rags to riches story. Butthen, I mean, if Aborha won, I
think I would be probably themost excited of the three Who
knew I'd be saying that at thispoint. But I mean, if she pulled
(31:01):
it off the number of times we'veseen her the last few seasons,
and like, you know, the way thatshe's has become a better
performer, just a moreinteresting individual. Like, I
just think all of that togetherwould be so cool to actually see
her pull it off.
Jonathan Correia (31:12):
I'm rooting for all of them, dude. Like, I'm
so excited about this. Thefeeling amongst them is that,
like, I got to the top three,like, I'm gonna go for it. But
like, no matter what, I'll be atop three of Titans. And, like,
they're excited about that, andthat's I love that. This just
popped
Waylon Jordan (31:30):
into my head while we were discussing the
finale and everything. Do youthink we'll actually get, like,
some kind of ceremony for thewinner this time, rather than
just going down the hallway andsuddenly sing. They have to,
know, I
Lindsey (31:43):
think they learn their lesson.
Jonathan Correia (31:47):
They have to.
They have to because, I mean,
Lindsey (31:49):
they'll find where they live and beat their asses. Yeah.
Jonathan Correia (31:53):
I mean, you saw how much effort they put
into the musical based off ofthe fans bitching. So they have
to do something with the finaleto in the crowning that isn't
just a photo, like they I thinkthey're gonna fake us out,
Lindsey (32:11):
but I hope they do.
Jonathan Correia (32:13):
I hope they fucking do fun. Oh god, I was so
pissed when they fucking didso piss. And then they never
released the footage of thecrowning. They were like, oh,
it's gonna happen at this liveevent. And it's like, at the
very least, do a decentrecording of it and, like, tack
it on to the episode. Like, whatfucking dropout does with some
of their shit. It's like, oh, wewanted to do it live with, like,
(32:34):
an audience and stuff. It'slike, that's understandable. Put
a thing that says, tune in onthis date to see the, like,
actual crowning, like, cool, orjust shoot it live. I don't
know, fuck you,
Lindsey (32:47):
throwing us back into the rage I felt when that
happened.
Jonathan Correia (32:50):
We were ending this podcast, and we were ending
on such a positive Note, andthen Waylon has to go and stir
up some shit. Are you the Dollyablack of this fucking podcast?
All right, let's call this onean episode. Our theme music is
by restless spirits, so go checkthem out. And our artwork is by
Chris Fisher, so go give him alike and a follow. You can find
(33:14):
all of us at ihoror.com that isthe website we call home. You,
of course, can watch BouletBrothers Titans on Shudder, and
then meet with us later in theweek after the second after the
finale to recap Waylon. Wherecan we find you? On the socials
and the interwebs, as
Waylon Jordan (33:30):
always, on Instagram, you can find me
@Waylon.Jordan. And if you wantto find me on Facebook, it is
under Waylon Jordan. Or you canlook at Waylon W.Dale Jordan
author page on Facebook, orWDaleJordanauthor.com Awesome.
Jonathan Correia (33:48):
And once again, please plug that brand
new book for us.
Waylon Jordan (33:53):
My new collection is out. It's called These Sins
of Mine, and you can find it onall of your book retailers
online.
Jonathan Correia (34:01):
And of course, you can find us on the socials
@eyeonhorror on Instagram andihoror.com so we'll see
everybody in about two weeksafter the finale. Until then,
I'm Jonathan Correia,
Lindsey (34:14):
I'm Lindsey
Waylon Jordan (34:15):
and I'm Waylon.
Jonathan Correia (34:16):
And keep on talking Titans.
Lindsey (34:19):
Keep on Talking Titans.
We're going to keep on talkingTitans.
Jonathan Correia (34:26):
Yeah, Aborha was Superman, and that shit
pissed me the fuck off.
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